From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Mar 1 08:01:13 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Mar 1 01:01:15 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] In response to Javilks last reponse to me.
In-Reply-To: <20050301071616.4108.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Feb 28, 2005 11:16:16 PM
Message-ID: <20050301080113.27833.qmail@mall-net.com>
> What I don't understand, is if you
> arranged the middle coil, at a 90
> degree angle, relative to the two
> other coils, so that you could place
> your head directly centered, in
> the middle of the three, where the
> middle coil would be directly
> overhead, and the two other coils
> would be on either side of your
> head.
The diagram had three parallel coils represented by equal signs. The
piece said they are stacked six inches apart. The head fits in through
the middle of the loops, passing through each of the two bottom loops.
My rig has four dowels across the top loop to serve to let the rig rest
on top of the head. Thus it is work something like a space helmet, with
the eyes peeking out between two coils.
=========
* *
=========
V
=========
Structural members omitted.
The actual rig has four rings around the sides, but these are not
wound, there only for structural purposes.
> Sorry about my indepth questioning;
> I am just a perfectionist, and a
> stickler for details, because I want
> to get it right the first time.
> When I mentioned: a direct
> current, electromagnetic field, bed,
> to sleep within, I was not talking
> about the E.M. field being an
> A.C. field; I was referring to it
> as being, a pure, isolated, direct
> current E.M. field., surrounding the
> entire body, and not modulated
> at all, by any external A.C. source,
> at all, whatsoever.
Not much point to that, I think. But I could be wrong. You might
want the unbound iron particles in your blood to pool somewhere in your
body... (And there are unbound iron nanoparticles just about
everywhere.)
> In your estimation, could there
> still be negative, or detrimental
> side effects to such an experiment,
> on both, the physiology, and the
> psychology, if one remained within
> the D.C. E.M. field for a given
> amount of time?
No idea.
> Would the D.C., E.M. field, aid in
> human cellular regeneration, just
> as high voltage D.C. helps to
> stimulate plant growth, in certain
> retrofitted greenhouses, in various
> places in this world?
No idea.
Well, I suppose that some tendency to line up electron spins and
possibly orbitals might do something; but the changes would
be way down in the statistical levels, as those atoms and molecules are
constantly colliding.
We also note that our family's tradition of sleeping with the head
pointed north seems to give us a better sense of direction than most
other people who don't sleep that way. Seem...
> Also; I would, for absolute certainty,
> include an (isolated) A.C. powered
> timer, to shut the equipment off, at
> a given amount of elapsed time, but
> I don't know what amount of elapsed
> time would be satisfactory, to
> achieve the desired end results that
> would be beneficial.
> How long did you keep your head
> within the E.M. field of the V.L.F.
> unit that you built, used, and
> tested?
One lady who had a migrane headache kept it on for some 15 - 20
minutes and reported it substantially reduced the nausea.
I used it for shorter intervals, monitoring my body temperature.
Once I felt the effects plateau, I'd take it off and get back to work.
My primary use was when brain fog had set in, or when I become
hypothermic. Using it would improve clarity, muscle tone, and hence
body temperature. I have trained myself to regulate my body temperature
above 97.2; but once it is below about 97.2, I can not get it back up
without external stimulus to get brain to fire faster again. At about
96.8, I am staggering around with my arms raised to ward of the walls
that I bump into. It's called Wilson's Syndrome (not to be confused
with Wilson's Disease, which is related to copper accumulation), and it
seems to run in my family. As various triggers lower body temperature, I
find that at 95.5, general coordination is very poor, as is mentation,
math being nearly impossible, etc.
Unfortunately, the rig, being based on wood, is quite fragile, as
well as being bulky, which doubles or quadruples the risk of damage to
the rig when it is transported. I keep having to glue it back together
as the dowels and such detatch from the coils.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 10:26:32 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 1 11:26:48 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: (Revised.) Did the Catholic Church,
consider [Galileo Galilei's] statement,
that the earth revolves (continued).
Message-ID: <20050301182632.55570.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Mr. Agassi,
Correction:
Actually it was Galileo Galilei, that I now
remember, and not Nicolaus Copericus.
clyde lofton wrote:
Mr. Agassi,
Did the Catholic Church consider
[Galileo Galilei's] statement; that
the earth revolves around the sun, to
be an opinion only?;
The heresy that they accused him of?
Did they consider it to be heresy only?
Or did they consider it to be an opinion
as equally well as heresy,
simultaneously?
I have recently read that the Catholic
Church scholars of the old times,
altered the bible from its original
teachings in the Hebrew format, to
establish their own control dogma's,
for religious enslavement.
Science is not absolute.
Omnidimension 'can be' absolute.
Maybe I should put this into a question
instead:
Is omnidimension absolute?
Omnidimension can be a metaphysical
reality, but omnidimension is a physical
impossibility.
What thoughts do you have, regarding
this?
Hopefully good thoughts, if you have
any thoughts at all.
Sincerely, Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 10:45:29 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 1 11:45:37 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Religion is not absolute, either.
Message-ID: <20050301184529.62673.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Mr. Agassi,
I forgot to add to the e-mail revision,
that religion is not absolute either.
I don't want to be accused of coming
across as implying that religion is
absolute; because it is not.
Clyde
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 10:52:21 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 1 11:52:48 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Large scale Platonic solids,
and large scale Archemedean solids.
Message-ID: <20050301185221.80022.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
To whoever concerned,
Has anyone ever come across any large
scale statuary type of Platonic, and large
scale statuary type of Archimedean
solids, that can be used as garden
statuary, preferably fabricated of high
quality metals, such as bronze, silver,
platinum, or chrome?
Sincerely,
Clyde Lofton
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 13:34:49 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 1 14:34:57 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Natural Radio
In-Reply-To: <76C7EB7C8500594F9001B118E7E778F4050C15A6@mdsms3.inside.mdsroc.com>
Message-ID: <20050301213449.38105.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
For all mad scientists;
This is yet more information to share, for those who
are interested.
Sincerely, Clyde Lofton
clydelofton@yahoo.com
"Carey, Kevin" wrote:
Hello Clyde,
Thanks for writing your letter of 1/20/05. Whistlers, tweeks, dawn chorus &
other forms of Natural Radio are a fascinating part of the radio hobby. It's
difficult to give you a specific time that is better than others to listen
for these signals. Good intercepts have been made at all times of the year,
and at all times of the day. Being as far south as you are, that may be your
biggest challenge. In general, we hear more natural radio signals in the
northern part of the U.S. Nevertheless, some excellent signals have been
heard at your latitude and even further south, so don't let that discourage
you!
Best of luck to you as you explore natural radio, and keep in touch to let
me know what kind of signals you are hearing. Below, I've included some web
links that will give you more information, and even a link to an online NR
receiver.
73, and best LW DX,
--Kevin
Kevin Carey
Editor, Below 500 kHz
Monitoring Times Magazine
P.O. Box 98
Brasstown, NC 28902
WEB LINKS:
Excellent overall intro to natural radio. Highly recommended:
http://www.auroralchorus.com/natradio.htm
Excerpt from the above site, with info on best times to listen:
http://www.auroralchorus.com/wr3gde.htm#when
An online natural radio receiver that you can listen to (may require a
high-speed Internet connection):
http://spaceweather.com/glossary/inspire.html
Kevin O. Carey
Sr. Publications Specialist
Microwave Data Systems Inc.
175 Science Parkway
Rochester, NY 14620
Tel. 585.242.9600
Fax 585.242.9620
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 19:41:46 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 1 20:41:53 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Is there anybody out there?
Message-ID: <20050302034146.82596.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
Hello.
Is there anybody out there?
I hope my recent postings didn't
go too far; off of the deep end!
By the way;
I can't remember the ways and
means of going back to look at
the list, at all of the postings
that I have done, plus looking
at the postings that all others
have done, too.
Can anyone out there help to
lead me out of the dark, and
into the light???
Lost without light,
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 19:59:59 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 1 21:00:10 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I hope I didn't make myself unpopular in this
forum.
Message-ID: <20050302035959.99530.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
I hope I didn't make myself
unpopular in this forum, by
stating the things that I did.
If I did, I am sorry.
I apologize.
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 2 04:16:48 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Mar 1 21:16:50 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Is there anybody out there?
In-Reply-To: <20050302034146.82596.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 01, 2005 07:41:46 PM
Message-ID: <20050302041648.32430.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I can't remember the ways and
> means of going back to look at
> the list, at all of the postings
I think there is something on the web site.
from what I've seen, thanks to you and me, we've stirred up enough
controversy that people have started posting again. If the archives were
correct, the list was pretty dead. Nothing like a lttle controversy to
get things rolling again.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 20:19:02 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 1 21:19:11 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised.) Large scale Platonic solids,
and large scale Archemedean solids.
Message-ID: <20050302041903.76525.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
To whom it concerns,
Has anyone ever come across any large
scale statuary style of Platonic, and large
scale statuary style of Archimedean
solids, that can be used as garden
statuary, preferably fabricated of high
quality metals, such as bronze, silver,
platinum, or chrome?
Sincerely,
Clyde Lofton
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 20:33:02 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 1 21:33:11 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk,
have you ever seen any large scale Platonic solids,
and large scale Archemedean solids before,
that can used as statuary?
Message-ID: <20050302043302.79932.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
Have you ever seen any large scale
statuary style of Platonic, and large
scale statuary style of Archimedean
solids, that can be used as garden
statuary, preferably fabricated of
high quality metals, such as
bronze, silver, platinum, or chrome?
My main interest is in a large scale,
solid metal, terahedron, although I
would like to see if a large scale,
solid metal hexahedron exists too.
The hexahedron comprised of two
tetrads, having the same base.
Hope you can help, since no one
else out there will!
Sincerely,
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 20:44:01 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 1 21:44:09 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: (Revised/with corrections) Information on the
type of metal used,
for the exterior walls of the international space station,
as well as the exterior wall thickness(es).
In-Reply-To: <2E10582870FE3146A2E7A6E0ECFE4F000A3B1245@jsc-mail01.jsc.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <20050302044401.14553.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
Maybe you have some knowledge in the areas of my questioning
that I have asked Mrs. Stella Luna, at NASA.
Sincerely,
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
"LUNA, STELLA (JSC-AP121) (NASA)" wrote:
Under FOIA Regulations, FOIA is not permitted to answer questions. We provide specific documents, articles, etc. Your request has been forwarded to Ms. Kylie Clem. Ms. Clem will respond directly to you.
-----Original Message-----
From: clyde lofton [mailto:clydelofton@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:16 PM
To: LUNA, STELLA (JSC-AP121) (NASA)
Subject: RE: (Revised/with corrections) Information on the type of metal used, for the exterior walls of the international space station, as well as the exterior wall thickness(es).
clyde lofton wrote:
Mrs. Luna,
Do you know the thickness of the aluminum exteriors?
Are you able to find out what the exterior thickness is,
of both the shuttle, and of the station?
Also; What would be the most ideal metal that could be
used, against both solar, and cosmic radioactivity?
The Enterprise ship, in the movie; Star Trek, First Contact,
is supposed to be constructed of titanium.
Would titanium be the most ideal, of all metals, that could
be used, in spaceship exterior construction, for the
reduction of solar and cosmic radiation exposure, to
spaceship occupants?
I hope you can respond soon, with informative answers.
Thanks sincerely,
Clyde Lofton
clydelofton@yahoo.com
"LUNA, STELLA (JSC-AP121) (NASA)" wrote:
Aluminum is the main metal used in both shuttle and station. Not sure about thickness since it depends on location. Visit http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/shuttle/reference
-----Original Message-----
From: clyde lofton [mailto:clydelofton@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:19 AM
To: LUNA, STELLA (JSC-AP121) (NASA)
Subject: Information on the type of metal used, for the walls of the international space station, and the wall thickness(es).
Mrs. Luna,
I received your voice mail response, about two
months ago, on the telephone, in response
to my inquiring as to obtain certain knowledge,
regarding certain construction of the I.S.S.
I am only now able to get around to being
able to respond, since I now have 24 hour
internet access, whereas at the time that
I first called, and left a voice mail, I was
severely limited to my internet time, because
I was only able to use the public library
computer internet access only, at that time.
You mentioned in your voice mail response
that I would have to let you know about a
specific document.
But I am uncertain as to what the type of
document would be called, that would
pertain to the subject matter that I am
interested in researching about.
The subject matter that I am interested in
learning about, is what type of metal is
the absolute best,?, that is used for the
exterior of a spaceship, the type of metal
used for the exterior of the I.S.S., what
type of metal is the most commonly used
exterior hull metal used on the space
shuttle, and the I.S.S., and what the
exterior metal wall thickness is, of both
the space shuttle, as well as the I.S.S.
I hope you can respond soon, with
informative answers.
Thanks sincerely, Clyde Lofton
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 2 04:57:12 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Mar 1 21:57:15 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk,
In-Reply-To: <20050302043302.79932.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 01, 2005 08:33:02 PM
Message-ID: <20050302045712.84642.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Have you ever seen any large scale
> statuary style of Platonic, and large
> scale statuary style of Archimedean
> solids, that can be used as garden
> statuary, preferably fabricated of
> high quality metals, such as
> bronze, silver, platinum, or chrome?
A bit expensive in those. Plate would be better... Plated steel
in zinc or chrome.
> My main interest is in a large scale,
> solid metal, terahedron, although I
> would like to see if a large scale,
> solid metal hexahedron exists too.
If you can draw them, perhaps one of the local metal shops can
make it out of folded galvanized steel, or even have it chrome plated.
But, um, I seem to recall your difficulties in prioritizing the
spending of cash. This would seem one of those items which belongs
further down the list than quite a few pieces of scientific apparatus.
You might try folding them from paper first, gluing tabs to make
them stand upon your desk. After making a few of each, you will have a
better appreciation of what can be done by cutting and folding
galvanized steel sheet. You will also have the models with which to
present your request to a local sheet metals shop.
Although not quite the luster of solid platinum, such forms are far
more affordable than solids.
And with the lighter weight and lower fabrication costs, there is
the possibility of exhibiting them at various places, and taking
orders for more, which you can have the sheet metals shop fabricate for
somewhat less than half of what you will be asking for them.
You might look at donating a set to some high school or grade school
playground. You can then say in your advertisements the fact that the
school is using them, and appeal to parents who wish their children to
gain a head start by being exposed to geometry at an early age.
Me, I'd be quite content with concrete. Except for the problem of
having to move now and then as life changes.
A dodecahedron wouldn't be that bad as a coffee table base... even
if a skeletal one.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 2 05:34:07 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Mar 1 22:34:11 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: (Revised/with corrections) Information on the
In-Reply-To: <20050302044401.14553.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 01, 2005 08:44:01 PM
Message-ID: <20050302053407.30790.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Do you know the thickness of the aluminum exteriors?
> Are you able to find out what the exterior thickness is,
> of both the shuttle, and of the station?
> Also; What would be the most ideal metal that could be
> used, against both solar, and cosmic radioactivity?
> The Enterprise ship, in the movie; Star Trek, First Contact,
> is supposed to be constructed of titanium.
> Would titanium be the most ideal, of all metals, that could
> be used, in spaceship exterior construction, for the
> reduction of solar and cosmic radiation exposure, to
> spaceship occupants?
Cosmic radiation is stopped by mass, whether it be air, water,
lead, or concrete. 32 feet of water would do a fair job, as would the
same weight of anything else. That would also be a good place to store
water, too.
You know Clyde, I have a line on one of the Space Station Command
module mockups. Last time I was in it, it was a bit dusty and dirty.
No instrumentation, much of the interior has been salvaged, leaving rack
frames, etc. It's been sitting outside, used for storage. But there was
enough there that I recognized it from the time I had been in the first
mock-up at the NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston back in 1984, I
think it was.
That mockup was made by Lockheed of stainless steel riveted to a
frame and mounted on a rolling frame. Last I saw a few years ago, some
of the seals between the sections had gone, and it was taking on water
in the rain.
When I was moving into the area, I stored a bunch of my equipment
in there. My plan was to turn it into my office and laboratory; but the
deal fell through when I realized the owner of the place had more than a
few screws loose... First, his promise of electrical power was, um,
ludicrously inadequate (200+ feet of lamp cord!); then I found he was
not the owner of record of the property. The construction workers quit,
the neighbors wanted to lynch him, etc. I ended up arbitrating several
disputes regarding easement road maintenance and flagrant fire law
violations with the neighbors for him. I "unmoved" as his "bonfires" and
other behaviors were a mega-risk for burning half the mountain down,
never mind turning me into a cinder. And the last thing I need is a
landlord who is a liar and likely to have his property seized and him
placed in jail.
I hear he did not come to a good end, which is not surprising.
The property was then sold with the station command module mockup
to someone else.
I think we might be able to get it for under $20K, extracted from
the place it was in and brought down to Gilroy, California. Part of
that money will have to be spent for getting a big flatbed trailer and
some kind of crane up there and extracting it from the awkward spot it
is in. The section of dirt road it was on was beginning to erode last I
saw, so some bulldozer work may be required to re-connect it to existing
roadways. I'd hate to see that thing tumble down the side of the
mountain.
Does this interest you? It might be cheaper and more intriguing
than bronze platonic solids. Do you have the $20K?
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From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi)
Date: Tue Mar 1 23:08:33 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: (Revised/with corrections) Information on the
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of
> javilk@mall-net.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:34 AM
> To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] RE: (Revised/with corrections) Information
> on the
>
>
> > Do you know the thickness of the aluminum exteriors?
> > Are you able to find out what the exterior thickness is,
> > of both the shuttle, and of the station?
> > Also; What would be the most ideal metal that could be
> > used, against both solar, and cosmic radioactivity?
> > The Enterprise ship, in the movie; Star Trek, First Contact,
> > is supposed to be constructed of titanium.
> > Would titanium be the most ideal, of all metals, that could
> > be used, in spaceship exterior construction, for the
> > reduction of solar and cosmic radiation exposure, to
> > spaceship occupants?
>
> Cosmic radiation is stopped by mass, whether it be air, water,
> lead, or concrete. 32 feet of water would do a fair job, as would the
> same weight of anything else. That would also be a good place to store
> water, too.
>
> You know Clyde, I have a line on one of the Space Station Command
> module mockups. Last time I was in it, it was a bit dusty and dirty.
> No instrumentation, much of the interior has been salvaged, leaving rack
> frames, etc. It's been sitting outside, used for storage. But there was
> enough there that I recognized it from the time I had been in the first
> mock-up at the NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston back in 1984, I
> think it was.
>
> That mockup was made by Lockheed of stainless steel riveted to a
> frame and mounted on a rolling frame. Last I saw a few years ago, some
> of the seals between the sections had gone, and it was taking on water
> in the rain.
>
> When I was moving into the area, I stored a bunch of my equipment
> in there. My plan was to turn it into my office and laboratory; but the
> deal fell through when I realized the owner of the place had more than a
> few screws loose... First, his promise of electrical power was, um,
> ludicrously inadequate (200+ feet of lamp cord!); then I found he was
> not the owner of record of the property. The construction workers quit,
> the neighbors wanted to lynch him, etc. I ended up arbitrating several
> disputes regarding easement road maintenance and flagrant fire law
> violations with the neighbors for him. I "unmoved" as his "bonfires" and
> other behaviors were a mega-risk for burning half the mountain down,
> never mind turning me into a cinder. And the last thing I need is a
> landlord who is a liar and likely to have his property seized and him
> placed in jail.
>
> I hear he did not come to a good end, which is not surprising.
> The property was then sold with the station command module mockup
> to someone else.
>
> I think we might be able to get it for under $20K, extracted from
> the place it was in and brought down to Gilroy, California. Part of
> that money will have to be spent for getting a big flatbed trailer and
> some kind of crane up there and extracting it from the awkward spot it
> is in. The section of dirt road it was on was beginning to erode last I
> saw, so some bulldozer work may be required to re-connect it to existing
> roadways. I'd hate to see that thing tumble down the side of the
> mountain.
>
> Does this interest you? It might be cheaper and more intriguing
> than bronze platonic solids. Do you have the $20K?
>
Well, I for one, do not. But would you be interested in brainstorming some
sort of business proposal, for purposes of then prospecting for the required
Venture Capital?
> -javilk- mall-net.com
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 22:12:03 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 1 23:12:11 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk; My response.
In-Reply-To: <20050302045712.84642.qmail@mall-net.com>
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javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> Have you ever seen any large scale
> statuary style of Platonic, and large
> scale statuary style of Archimedean
> solids, that can be used as garden
> statuary, preferably fabricated of
> high quality metals, such as
> bronze, silver, platinum, or chrome?
A bit expensive in those. Plate would be better... Plated steel
in zinc or chrome.
YEAH, CHROME PLATED STEEL WOULD PROBABLY BE MY
FIRST CHOICE OF ALL.
ALTHOUGH I FORGOT TO MENTION ALUMINUM.
I WOULD POSSIBLY SETTLE FOR ALUMINUM.
> My main interest is in a large scale,
> solid metal, terahedron, although I
> would like to see if a large scale,
> solid metal hexahedron exists too.
PLATONIC AND ARCHIMEDEAN SOLIDS, JUST SLIGHTLY
LARGER THAN THE SIZE OF A STANDARD BASKET BALL;
RELATIVITY WISE; (RELATIVELY SPEAKING).
If you can draw them, perhaps one of the local metal shops can
make it out of folded galvanized steel, or even have it chrome plated.
But, um, I seem to recall your difficulties in prioritizing the
spending of cash. This would seem one of those items which belongs
further down the list than quite a few pieces of scientific apparatus.
ACTUALLY, THE OBTAINING OF, OR THE CUSTOM
CONSTRUCTION OF, A PERFECT, 100% MINIMALISTIC,
100% MODULAR, 19" RACKMOUNTABLE, SINGLE
CHANNEL, COLOR LIQUID CRYSTAL DISPLAY, DATA
ACQUISITION RECORDER UNIT, FOR REAL TIME
AUDIO ANALYSIS, IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST PIECES
OF SCIENTIFIC (EQUIPMENT) APPARATUS, THAT IS
ON MY LIST OF PRIOITIES RIGHT NOW, BUT I ALSO
WANT TO TRY MY HAND AT A LITTLE BIT OF WATER
GARDENING, PERTAINING TO GROWING THE LOTUS
(NELUMBO NUCIFERA) FLOWER TOO.
You might try folding them from paper first, gluing tabs to make
them stand upon your desk. After making a few of each, you will have a
better appreciation of what can be done by cutting and folding
galvanized steel sheet. You will also have the models with which to
present your request to a local sheet metals shop.
THANKS FOR THE SUGGESTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A LARGE PAPER TETRAHEDRON.
IT'D PROBABLY BE PRETTY DAMNED DIFFICULT THOUGH,
TO MAKE A HEXAHEDRON FROM PAPER.
Although not quite the luster of solid platinum, such forms are far
more affordable than solids.
And with the lighter weight and lower fabrication costs, there is
the possibility of exhibiting them at various places, and taking
orders for more, which you can have the sheet metals shop fabricate for
somewhat less than half of what you will be asking for them.
I WONDER WHAT AMOUNT OF PROFIT THAT A PERSON
COULD MAKE, HAVING PLATONIC, AND ARCHIMEDEAN
SOLIDS FABRICATED, AND THEN RE-SELLING THEM AT
A REASONABLE HIGHER PRICE?
PATENTS, AS I HAVE LEARNED, ARE A MOSTLY VAIN
PROCESS IN THE MODERN TIMES, BUT I WONDER IF
A PERSON COULD PUT A COPYRIGHT ON SUCH, AS I
HAVE DESCRIBED?
WHAT THOUGHTS DO YOU HAVE, REGARDING THIS?
You might look at donating a set to some high school or grade school
playground. You can then say in your advertisements the fact that the
school is using them, and appeal to parents who wish their children to
gain a head start by being exposed to geometry at an early age.
Me, I'd be quite content with concrete. Except for the problem of
having to move now and then as life changes.
A dodecahedron wouldn't be that bad as a coffee table base... even
if a skeletal one.
-javilk- mall-net.com
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 22:56:55 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 1 23:57:04 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Another response for Javilk.
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20050302065656.3225.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
Aaron Agassi wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of
> javilk@mall-net.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:34 AM
> To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] RE: (Revised/with corrections) Information
> on the
>
>
> > Do you know the thickness of the aluminum exteriors?
> > Are you able to find out what the exterior thickness is,
> > of both the shuttle, and of the station?
> > Also; What would be the most ideal metal that could be
> > used, against both solar, and cosmic radioactivity?
> > The Enterprise ship, in the movie; Star Trek, First Contact,
> > is supposed to be constructed of titanium.
> > Would titanium be the most ideal, of all metals, that could
> > be used, in spaceship exterior construction, for the
> > reduction of solar and cosmic radiation exposure, to
> > spaceship occupants?
>
> Cosmic radiation is stopped by mass, whether it be air, water,
> lead, or concrete. 32 feet of water would do a fair job, as would the
> same weight of anything else. That would also be a good place to store
> water, too.
>
> You know Clyde, I have a line on one of the Space Station Command
> module mockups. Last time I was in it, it was a bit dusty and dirty.
> No instrumentation, much of the interior has been salvaged, leaving rack
> frames, etc. It's been sitting outside, used for storage. But there was
> enough there that I recognized it from the time I had been in the first
> mock-up at the NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston back in 1984, I
> think it was.
>
> That mockup was made by Lockheed of stainless steel riveted to a
> frame and mounted on a rolling frame. Last I saw a few years ago, some
> of the seals between the sections had gone, and it was taking on water
> in the rain.
>
> When I was moving into the area, I stored a bunch of my equipment
> in there. My plan was to turn it into my office and laboratory; but the
> deal fell through when I realized the owner of the place had more than a
> few screws loose... First, his promise of electrical power was, um,
> ludicrously inadequate (200+ feet of lamp cord!); then I found he was
> not the owner of record of the property. The construction workers quit,
> the neighbors wanted to lynch him, etc. I ended up arbitrating several
> disputes regarding easement road maintenance and flagrant fire law
> violations with the neighbors for him. I "unmoved" as his "bonfires" and
> other behaviors were a mega-risk for burning half the mountain down,
> never mind turning me into a cinder. And the last thing I need is a
> landlord who is a liar and likely to have his property seized and him
> placed in jail.
>
> I hear he did not come to a good end, which is not surprising.
> The property was then sold with the station command module mockup
> to someone else.
>
> I think we might be able to get it for under $20K, extracted from
> the place it was in and brought down to Gilroy, California. Part of
> that money will have to be spent for getting a big flatbed trailer and
> some kind of crane up there and extracting it from the awkward spot it
> is in. The section of dirt road it was on was beginning to erode last I
> saw, so some bulldozer work may be required to re-connect it to existing
> roadways. I'd hate to see that thing tumble down the side of the
> mountain.
>
> Does this interest you? It might be cheaper and more intriguing
> than bronze platonic solids. Do you have the $20K?
>
I DID HAVE $20K AT ONE TIME, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WHEN
MY FATHER PASSED AWAY, AFTER THE INHERITANCE
MONEY THAT I RECEIVED, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I NO
LONGER OWN $20K, + MORE, BECAUSE I LIVED AND
LEARNED, THE HARD WAY, ABOUT HOW TO MAKE WRONG
INVESTMENT DECISIONS.
MY FATHER LEFT ME WITH A LOT OF MONEY; $135,000;
UNFORTUNATELY HE DID NOT LEAVE ME WITH THE WISDOM
THAT I NEEDED TO INVEST THAT MONEY AS WISELY AS
POSSIBLE, AND IT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY I HATE MY
DAD.
I FIRST PURCHASED A LIMOUSINE.
A FLY BY NIGHT, LIMOUSINE 'BUSINESS' FLOP;
AND I LOST THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY THAT I INVESTED IN
THAT NONSENSE.
AS I HAVE LEARNED, AUTOMOBILES ARE THE WORLD'S WORST
OF ALL INVESTMENTS, ESPECIALLY IF USED FOR BUSINESS
REASONS.
NEXT, I PURCHASED A MOBILE 'HOME' (HOUSE).
ANOTHER HARD LESSON LEARNED IN LIFE.
MOBILE HOMES ARE BUILT OUT OF SHIT CHEAP CONSTRUCTION
MATERIALS, AND BUYING TO RENT, WAS A BAD MISTAKE.
I COMPLETELY LOST MY SHIRT IN THAT GODDAMNED/
MANDAMNED (BAD) 'DEAL' (SITUATION).
THE ONLY FUTURE, MAJOR INVESTMENT THAT I INTEND ON
DOING, IS REAL ESTATE, AND IT WILL HAVE TO BE IN AN
ABSOLUTELY PERFECT, ABSOLUTELY IDEAL LOCATION,
AND IF I STILL HAD THE MONEY THAT I DID HAVE, I WOULD
HAVE A ONE PIECE WELDED, ALUMINUM GEODESIC DOME
HOME, BUILT ON AN IDEAL PROPERTY, ON THE OUTSKIRTS
OF THE COUNTY, SOMEWHERE.
IF I TRULY HAD A CHOICE, I WOULD HAVE A ONE PIECE
WELDED, ABSOLUTELY PERFECT SPACESHIP, BUILT ON
SUCH LAND.
I AM READY TO BUILD AN IDEAL SPACESHIP; (TO DESIGN AN
IDEAL SPACEHIP, AND TO HAVE IT BUILT,) TO LEAVE THIS
@#$%%&!@@#!#@%^@#@!^^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLANET, FOREVER.
A TETRAHEDRAL SPACESHIP WOULD BE THE TOP CHOICE,
WITH A REDUNDANT, "(FUSION, AND/OR)" BLACK HOLE
POWERPLANT, AND REDUNDANT, OMNIDIRECTIONAL,
GYROSCOPIC LIFT, LEVITATION, AND PROPULSION SYSTEMS
TO CRUISE BEYOND THE COSMO'S AT BEYOND ABSOLUTE
VELOCITY, BEYOND GOD VELOCITY.
THIS COMPANY IS WHERE I'D GET MY START:
HTTP://WWW.TEMCOR.COM
SINCERELY, CLYDE LOFTON
CLYDELOFTON@YAHOO.COM
Well, I for one, do not. But would you be interested in brainstorming some
sort of business proposal, for purposes of then prospecting for the required
Venture Capital?
> -javilk- mall-net.com
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 23:13:12 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Mar 2 00:13:20 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Temcor is FUCKIN' AWESOME!
Message-ID: <20050302071312.20686.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
www.temcor.com
Temcor is FUCKIN' AWESOME;
(in Brian Johnson's voice, of the
rock/metal band: AC/DC).
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Mar 2 00:17:55 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I need to call it a night, or a day?
Message-ID: <20050302071745.14006.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com>
Here is another weblink for you
all:
www.kraftwerk.com
If anyone visits Kraftwerk's
site, be sure and click on:
Radioactivity!
I need to call it a night, or a day?
Later,
Clyde
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 23:30:26 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Mar 2 00:30:34 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: I need to call it a night, or a day?
Message-ID: <20050302073026.12041.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
clyde lofton wrote:
Here is another weblink for you
all:
www.kraftwerk.com
If anyone visits Kraftwerk's
site, be sure and click on:
Radioactivity!
I need to call it a night, or a day?
Later,
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 2 08:08:51 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Mar 2 01:09:05 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk; My response.
In-Reply-To: <20050302061203.7419.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 01, 2005 10:12:03 PM
Message-ID: <20050302080851.36466.qmail@mall-net.com>
> A bit expensive in those. Plate would be better... Plated steel
> in zinc or chrome.
>
>
> YEAH, CHROME PLATED STEEL WOULD PROBABLY BE MY
>
> FIRST CHOICE OF ALL.
>
> ALTHOUGH I FORGOT TO MENTION ALUMINUM.
>
> I WOULD POSSIBLY SETTLE FOR ALUMINUM.
It does not rust, so can last a long time. I know a guy who could
weld it up, given enough cash. Alas, it does take cash.
> PLATONIC AND ARCHIMEDEAN SOLIDS, JUST SLIGHTLY
>
> LARGER THAN THE SIZE OF A STANDARD BASKET BALL;
I thought you had been in the market for things the size of a car.
> If you can draw them, perhaps one of the local metal shops can
> make it out of folded galvanized steel, or even have it chrome plated.
>
> But, um, I seem to recall your difficulties in prioritizing the
> spending of cash. This would seem one of those items which belongs
> further down the list than quite a few pieces of scientific apparatus.
>
>
> ACTUALLY, THE OBTAINING OF, OR THE CUSTOM
>
> CONSTRUCTION OF, A PERFECT, 100% MINIMALISTIC,
"Perfect" is a hard term to define, and is even harder, more
expensive to obtain.
Many studios have things which are close. Mass produced devices
tend to be cheaper. Especially when only slightly obsolete.
> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A LARGE PAPER TETRAHEDRON.
>
> IT'D PROBABLY BE PRETTY DAMNED DIFFICULT THOUGH,
Tetrahedron, you say? that's only four points. I made a bunch of
them for some chemical model some years back, trying to simulate by hand
how such a specific thing would grow. They were easy to make! I don't
recall how... but it involved using a compass to lay out the four
surfaces by intersections of circles drawn centered on the main circle.
The main triangle was in the center, with other triangles off it. Then i
cut and folded, cut and folded, cut and folded dozens of them. To
facilitate the gluing of them, I didn't have points, but very small flat
surfaces. That was a little harder, but not that much harder. I think
I spent a day at it, or maybe only an afternoon. Made some other shapes
as well.
All that paper folding stuff is really easy.
> TO MAKE A HEXAHEDRON FROM PAPER.
Well, ok, that's not an icosahedron, so... six surfaces... A box!
Simple! Just lay out four boxes around a central box, and one more on
one of the outer boxes. Leave little tabs for gluing. Cut and fold.
That's all. It's easy!!!
> And with the lighter weight and lower fabrication costs, there is
> the possibility of exhibiting them at various places, and taking
> orders for more, which you can have the sheet metals shop fabricate for
> somewhat less than half of what you will be asking for them.
>
>
> I WONDER WHAT AMOUNT OF PROFIT THAT A PERSON
> COULD MAKE, HAVING PLATONIC, AND ARCHIMEDEAN
> SOLIDS FABRICATED, AND THEN RE-SELLING THEM AT
> A REASONABLE HIGHER PRICE?
Not a clue!
> PATENTS, AS I HAVE LEARNED, ARE A MOSTLY VAIN
> PROCESS IN THE MODERN TIMES, BUT I WONDER IF
> A PERSON COULD PUT A COPYRIGHT ON SUCH, AS I
> HAVE DESCRIBED?
You want to copyright what, a form which was first described and
built when? And is described in a whole heck of a lot of mathematics
texts through the ages?
Ah... Seeing as copyright is meant to protect a unique work,
getting away with that might be a little difficult...
Now, if you create a book of cut-out platonic solids (with little
glue tabs) for kids to make, along with some text describing
formulas, etc.; THAT you could copyright. And if you include programs
for making those in some computer language, that would give you an even
stronger copyright. (Or shared with whomever provided the code.)
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no lawyer, I only tell computers what to do.
CAUTION: I'm no mathematician, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as legal or
mathematical advice.
From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 2 08:47:56 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Mar 2 01:48:01 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Another response for Javilk.
In-Reply-To: <20050302065656.3225.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 01, 2005 10:56:55 PM
Message-ID: <20050302084757.84148.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Aaron Agassi wrote:
>
> > You know Clyde, I have a line on one of the Space Station Command
> > module mockups. Last time I was in it, it was a bit dusty and dirty.
> > No instrumentation, much of the interior has been salvaged, leaving rack
> > frames, etc. It's been sitting outside, used for storage. But there was
> > enough there that I recognized it from the time I had been in the first
> > mock-up at the NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston back in 1984, I
> > think it was.
> I DID HAVE $20K AT ONE TIME, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WHEN
> MY FATHER PASSED AWAY, AFTER THE INHERITANCE
> MONEY THAT I RECEIVED, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I NO
> LONGER OWN $20K, + MORE, BECAUSE I LIVED AND
> LEARNED, THE HARD WAY, ABOUT HOW TO MAKE WRONG
> INVESTMENT DECISIONS.
Welcome to the club!
> MY FATHER LEFT ME WITH A LOT OF MONEY; $135,000;
> UNFORTUNATELY HE DID NOT LEAVE ME WITH THE WISDOM
> THAT I NEEDED TO INVEST THAT MONEY AS WISELY AS
> POSSIBLE, AND IT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY I HATE MY
> DAD.
That's no reason to hate him. My father ridiculed entrepreneurs
like my Grandfather, who had done quite well in the old country, before
they fled during WW-II. But he taught me many, many other things
which... well... gave me a Brain, Curiosity, Appreciation of Science,
and many, many other things, skills, and Principles to live a Decent
life by.
And in the end, living a Decent, Moral life; is what lets you feel
good about yourself. It is what lets you stand as the ashes of your
latest endeavor swirl around you, and chuckle over it. Own the
opportunity, own the life; do not let it own you! for the tides of life
come and go. Sometimes, you have to let go that You can survive.
Sometimes, you have to be able to walk away that YOU can survive. And be
able to try Again!
> AS I HAVE LEARNED, AUTOMOBILES ARE THE WORLD'S WORST
> OF ALL INVESTMENTS, ESPECIALLY IF USED FOR BUSINESS
> REASONS.
Nope. It's marketing that's the tought part of any business! Go
watch "Trump: The Apprentice". Dumb in many ways, but there are
inspiring ideas to be had in that show.
I invented the first web type browser. I invested several years of
my life in that, all my money, etc. Lost. So what! I learned a lot
from it, had a lot of fun doing it... and don't regret trying.
Would I do it again? In a heartbeat! But I'd do the marketing in
a much different way.
I am glad we have web browsers now. My idea prevailed. My
embodiment of the idea wasn't quite up to it. My marketing team... Oy!
_I_ sold more than my entire marketing team!!! Eh. Next time, I pick
different people.
> THE ONLY FUTURE, MAJOR INVESTMENT THAT I INTEND ON
> DOING, IS REAL ESTATE, AND IT WILL HAVE TO BE IN AN
> ABSOLUTELY PERFECT, ABSOLUTELY IDEAL LOCATION,
Right there, you have the seed for failure. You're buying an
end-user house at maximum retail price. How can you re-sell that for
more money? You can't!
What you want to buy, is a run down house with a solid foundation
and frame, hire others to fix it up, and re-sell that. (While you live
in a rented apartment! Yes!) BUT... you need to see what makes homes
worth more in your area.
A friend of mine is in that business. She spends a lot of time
attending open houses, looking at what makes the house worth the price.
Then she buys a run down home and remodels it to make it look like the
more expensive homes. She makes a good income doing that. As do a lot
of other people buying "fixer-uppers". You have to know what you are
doing, estimate the remodeling and repair costs before you buy, etc.
etc. etc. (And she's never read Carlton Sheets or any of the other
"make a fortune in real estate" flakes. I attended some of the seminars
McCorkel, Wade Cook, and others had. Interesting ideas; but when it
comes to THEIR angle on it... I could see right through them! I was
amazed the rest of the audience couldn't see the gotcha's. I checked
with my accountant, and found other gotchas caused by recent tax law
changes, etc. Yes, money CAN be made that way. But it's nowhere as
easy as these guys say it is. It's a job, a full time and then some
job. No rocket science. Boring in a pedestrian way. Not the kind of
things we brilliant people do very well, not for the inability as much
as the boredom.)
> AND IF I STILL HAD THE MONEY THAT I DID HAVE, I WOULD
> HAVE A ONE PIECE WELDED, ALUMINUM GEODESIC DOME
> HOME, BUILT ON AN IDEAL PROPERTY, ON THE OUTSKIRTS
> OF THE COUNTY, SOMEWHERE.
Too expensive! There are plenty of other ways of building good
homes. Even dome homes.
> IF I TRULY HAD A CHOICE, I WOULD HAVE A ONE PIECE
> WELDED, ABSOLUTELY PERFECT SPACESHIP, BUILT ON
> SUCH LAND.
We don't have the engines for that yet, may never have. Waste of
money to design for what may not happen, likely won't happen in the
configuration you expect.
>
> I AM READY TO BUILD AN IDEAL SPACESHIP; (TO DESIGN AN
>
> IDEAL SPACEHIP, AND TO HAVE IT BUILT,) TO LEAVE THIS
>
> @#$%%&!@@#!#@%^@#@!^^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLANET, FOREVER.
When you leave, deed the property to me! Life isn't that bad. I'm
broke, living in a cabin I built myself way up in the mountains. But
Life is still LIFE!!!
If we work to make tomorrow a better day, it will be better! Or if
not Tomorrow, then a few days later.
But if we don't do anything, then soon our tomorrows seem less
than our yesterdays were.
> Well, I for one, do not. But would you be interested in brainstorming some
> sort of business proposal, for purposes of then prospecting for the required
> Venture Capital?
That could be fascinating! But you know, you really don't want to
go to the vulture capitalists if you can possibly help it. They take
the large part of the company, and you just don't get the fun and
challenge of running the thing yourself.
Some ideas Do require venture capital to start. Some ideas do need
venture capital to grow quickly and robustly.
Just depends on the idea, and on where you want to take it.
First, get the idea. Then test it in the small scale with minimal
investment. Ask people questions about whether they would be interested
in something like it, without telling them exactly what it is. Ask them
what they would want it to be like. Ask many, many people. Then
distill that back into your idea. That will help you make a product that
has a broader appeal to the market, a product which is more likely to
succeed.
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From agassi at erols.com Wed Mar 2 04:29:21 2005
From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi)
Date: Wed Mar 2 02:29:20 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Another response for Javilk.
In-Reply-To: <20050302084757.84148.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of
> javilk@mall-net.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 3:48 AM
> To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Another response for Javilk.
>
>
> > Aaron Agassi wrote:
> >
> > > You know Clyde, I have a line on one of the Space Station Command
> > > module mockups. Last time I was in it, it was a bit dusty and dirty.
> > > No instrumentation, much of the interior has been salvaged,
> leaving rack
> > > frames, etc. It's been sitting outside, used for storage. But
> there was
> > > enough there that I recognized it from the time I had been in
> the first
> > > mock-up at the NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston back in 1984, I
> > > think it was.
>
> > I DID HAVE $20K AT ONE TIME, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WHEN
> > MY FATHER PASSED AWAY, AFTER THE INHERITANCE
> > MONEY THAT I RECEIVED, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I NO
> > LONGER OWN $20K, + MORE, BECAUSE I LIVED AND
> > LEARNED, THE HARD WAY, ABOUT HOW TO MAKE WRONG
> > INVESTMENT DECISIONS.
>
> Welcome to the club!
>
> > MY FATHER LEFT ME WITH A LOT OF MONEY; $135,000;
> > UNFORTUNATELY HE DID NOT LEAVE ME WITH THE WISDOM
> > THAT I NEEDED TO INVEST THAT MONEY AS WISELY AS
> > POSSIBLE, AND IT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY I HATE MY
> > DAD.
>
> That's no reason to hate him. My father ridiculed entrepreneurs
> like my Grandfather, who had done quite well in the old country, before
> they fled during WW-II. But he taught me many, many other things
> which... well... gave me a Brain, Curiosity, Appreciation of Science,
> and many, many other things, skills, and Principles to live a Decent
> life by.
>
> And in the end, living a Decent, Moral life; is what lets you feel
> good about yourself. It is what lets you stand as the ashes of your
> latest endeavor swirl around you, and chuckle over it. Own the
> opportunity, own the life; do not let it own you! for the tides of life
> come and go. Sometimes, you have to let go that You can survive.
> Sometimes, you have to be able to walk away that YOU can survive. And be
> able to try Again!
>
> > AS I HAVE LEARNED, AUTOMOBILES ARE THE WORLD'S WORST
> > OF ALL INVESTMENTS, ESPECIALLY IF USED FOR BUSINESS
> > REASONS.
>
> Nope. It's marketing that's the tought part of any business! Go
> watch "Trump: The Apprentice". Dumb in many ways, but there are
> inspiring ideas to be had in that show.
>
> I invented the first web type browser. I invested several years of
> my life in that, all my money, etc. Lost. So what! I learned a lot
> from it, had a lot of fun doing it... and don't regret trying.
>
> Would I do it again? In a heartbeat! But I'd do the marketing in
> a much different way.
>
> I am glad we have web browsers now. My idea prevailed. My
> embodiment of the idea wasn't quite up to it. My marketing team... Oy!
> _I_ sold more than my entire marketing team!!! Eh. Next time, I pick
> different people.
>
> > THE ONLY FUTURE, MAJOR INVESTMENT THAT I INTEND ON
> > DOING, IS REAL ESTATE, AND IT WILL HAVE TO BE IN AN
> > ABSOLUTELY PERFECT, ABSOLUTELY IDEAL LOCATION,
>
> Right there, you have the seed for failure. You're buying an
> end-user house at maximum retail price. How can you re-sell that for
> more money? You can't!
>
> What you want to buy, is a run down house with a solid foundation
> and frame, hire others to fix it up, and re-sell that. (While you live
> in a rented apartment! Yes!) BUT... you need to see what makes homes
> worth more in your area.
>
> A friend of mine is in that business. She spends a lot of time
> attending open houses, looking at what makes the house worth the price.
> Then she buys a run down home and remodels it to make it look like the
> more expensive homes. She makes a good income doing that. As do a lot
> of other people buying "fixer-uppers". You have to know what you are
> doing, estimate the remodeling and repair costs before you buy, etc.
> etc. etc. (And she's never read Carlton Sheets or any of the other
> "make a fortune in real estate" flakes. I attended some of the seminars
> McCorkel, Wade Cook, and others had. Interesting ideas; but when it
> comes to THEIR angle on it... I could see right through them! I was
> amazed the rest of the audience couldn't see the gotcha's. I checked
> with my accountant, and found other gotchas caused by recent tax law
> changes, etc. Yes, money CAN be made that way. But it's nowhere as
> easy as these guys say it is. It's a job, a full time and then some
> job. No rocket science. Boring in a pedestrian way. Not the kind of
> things we brilliant people do very well, not for the inability as much
> as the boredom.)
>
> > AND IF I STILL HAD THE MONEY THAT I DID HAVE, I WOULD
> > HAVE A ONE PIECE WELDED, ALUMINUM GEODESIC DOME
> > HOME, BUILT ON AN IDEAL PROPERTY, ON THE OUTSKIRTS
> > OF THE COUNTY, SOMEWHERE.
>
> Too expensive! There are plenty of other ways of building good
> homes. Even dome homes.
>
> > IF I TRULY HAD A CHOICE, I WOULD HAVE A ONE PIECE
> > WELDED, ABSOLUTELY PERFECT SPACESHIP, BUILT ON
> > SUCH LAND.
>
> We don't have the engines for that yet, may never have. Waste of
> money to design for what may not happen, likely won't happen in the
> configuration you expect.
>
> >
> > I AM READY TO BUILD AN IDEAL SPACESHIP; (TO DESIGN AN
> >
> > IDEAL SPACEHIP, AND TO HAVE IT BUILT,) TO LEAVE THIS
> >
> > @#$%%&!@@#!#@%^@#@!^^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLANET, FOREVER.
>
> When you leave, deed the property to me! Life isn't that bad. I'm
> broke, living in a cabin I built myself way up in the mountains. But
> Life is still LIFE!!!
>
> If we work to make tomorrow a better day, it will be better! Or if
> not Tomorrow, then a few days later.
>
> But if we don't do anything, then soon our tomorrows seem less
> than our yesterdays were.
>
> > Well, I for one, do not. But would you be interested in
> brainstorming some
> > sort of business proposal, for purposes of then prospecting for
> the required
> > Venture Capital?
>
> That could be fascinating! But you know, you really don't want to
> go to the vulture capitalists if you can possibly help it. They take
> the large part of the company, and you just don't get the fun and
> challenge of running the thing yourself.
>
> Some ideas Do require venture capital to start. Some ideas do need
> venture capital to grow quickly and robustly.
>
> Just depends on the idea, and on where you want to take it.
>
> First, get the idea. Then test it in the small scale with minimal
> investment. Ask people questions about whether they would be interested
> in something like it, without telling them exactly what it is. Ask them
> what they would want it to be like. Ask many, many people. Then
> distill that back into your idea. That will help you make a product that
> has a broader appeal to the market, a product which is more likely to
> succeed.
>
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Javilk, you are nothing if not a tiresome non sequitur windbag! Do not waste
my patience with you.
I rather understood that you need the specific Capital for the probertunity
at hand, whatever means or mode of salvage and restoration or
adaptation/redeployment of the mockup. And even if you had the cash burning
a hole in your pockets, you'd still be a fool to be any less stringent than
an outside investor. In brief, a business plan remains essential.
So, do you care to brainstorm a proposal or not? -Let alone how to raise the
funds...
From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 2 10:28:23 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Mar 2 03:28:27 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Another response for Javilk.
In-Reply-To: from "Aaron
Agassi" at Mar 02, 2005 04:29:21 AM
Message-ID: <20050302102823.49743.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> Javilk, you are nothing if not a tiresome non sequitur windbag! Do not waste
> my patience with you.
Most of my reply was not directed to you, but to Clyde, who seems
to need a little more information abut other things.
If you had cut out from your reply what of Clyde's writings were
not relevant TO YOU, I would not have put my reply to Clyde's writings
before yours in the same e-mail.
DO edit out the things you are NOT replying to. It makes things
much simpler.
> I rather understood that you need the specific Capital for the probertunity
> at hand, whatever means or mode of salvage and restoration or
> adaptation/redeployment of the mockup. And even if you had the cash burning
> a hole in your pockets, you'd still be a fool to be any less stringent than
> an outside investor. In brief, a business plan remains essential.
A business plan is indeed essential for any sort of endeavor.
I meant it as a better investment for Clyde than solid brass or
sliver platonic solids as garden statuary.
I personally have no interest in salvaging or restoring the mockup.
Problem 1: I move a lot to be near opportunities to ply my trade.
This would not quite fit my mobile life style.
Problem 2: Width. I think it over 8 feet wide, likely 10 - 12.
That requires moving permits every time you trundle it down the road to
a new location. They range from annoying to difficult to get. Plus the
moving trucks, etc.
Problem 3: Competition. With NASA Ames and Moffet Field within an
hour and a half drive of populated areas near here, this would not
attract people willing to pay admissions charges. Bonfante Gardens has
enough trouble with that.
My only use would be to trun it in to a temporary or mobile office;
but problems 1 and 2 argue against that.
> So, do you care to brainstorm a proposal or not? -Let alone how to raise the
> funds...
Someone might be able to make a go of it on the county fair
circuit; but that's not my kind of game.
So we would probably have to sell or lease it to someone else.
If Clyde or YOU want it it, that's a different story. All I can
do, all I was offering, is to get things rolling up here so as to
extract it before it rolls down the hillside some time in the next five
or ten years. $20K was an arbitrary figure we should be able to stay
below even if we need to rebuild some of the roadway.
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From agassi at erols.com Wed Mar 2 09:14:09 2005
From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi)
Date: Wed Mar 2 07:14:08 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Another response for Javilk.
In-Reply-To: <20050302102823.49743.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of
> javilk@mall-net.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 5:28 AM
> To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Another response for Javilk.
>
>
> >
> > Javilk, you are nothing if not a tiresome non sequitur windbag!
> Do not waste
> > my patience with you.
>
> Most of my reply was not directed to you, but to Clyde, who seems
> to need a little more information abut other things.
>
Not so. You where rambling on about what blood suckers Venture Capitalists
are, and how use vague proposals for market surveys.
> If you had cut out from your reply what of Clyde's writings were
> not relevant TO YOU, I would not have put my reply to Clyde's writings
> before yours in the same e-mail.
>
> DO edit out the things you are NOT replying to. It makes things
> much simpler.
>
> > I rather understood that you need the specific Capital for the
> probertunity
> > at hand, whatever means or mode of salvage and restoration or
> > adaptation/redeployment of the mockup. And even if you had the
> cash burning
> > a hole in your pockets, you'd still be a fool to be any less
> stringent than
> > an outside investor. In brief, a business plan remains essential.
>
> A business plan is indeed essential for any sort of endeavor.
>
> I meant it as a better investment for Clyde than solid brass or
> sliver platonic solids as garden statuary.
>
> I personally have no interest in salvaging or restoring the mockup.
>
> Problem 1: I move a lot to be near opportunities to ply my trade.
> This would not quite fit my mobile life style.
>
> Problem 2: Width. I think it over 8 feet wide, likely 10 - 12.
> That requires moving permits every time you trundle it down the road to
> a new location. They range from annoying to difficult to get. Plus the
> moving trucks, etc.
>
> Problem 3: Competition. With NASA Ames and Moffet Field within an
> hour and a half drive of populated areas near here, this would not
> attract people willing to pay admissions charges. Bonfante Gardens has
> enough trouble with that.
>
> My only use would be to trun it in to a temporary or mobile office;
> but problems 1 and 2 argue against that.
>
> > So, do you care to brainstorm a proposal or not? -Let alone how
> to raise the
> > funds...
>
> Someone might be able to make a go of it on the county fair
> circuit; but that's not my kind of game.
>
Does it have to be?
> So we would probably have to sell or lease it to someone else.
>
> If Clyde or YOU want it it, that's a different story. All I can
> do, all I was offering, is to get things rolling up here so as to
> extract it before it rolls down the hillside some time in the next five
> or ten years. $20K was an arbitrary figure we should be able to stay
> below even if we need to rebuild some of the roadway.
>
All moot, unless anyone even looks for ways to make a viable venture for
seeking Capital.
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>
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 09:06:03 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Mar 2 10:06:12 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk; ANOTHER response.
In-Reply-To: <20050302080851.36466.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050302170603.82421.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> A bit expensive in those. Plate would be better... Plated steel
> in zinc or chrome.
>
>
> YEAH, CHROME PLATED STEEL WOULD PROBABLY BE MY
>
> FIRST CHOICE OF ALL.
>
> ALTHOUGH I FORGOT TO MENTION ALUMINUM.
>
> I WOULD POSSIBLY SETTLE FOR ALUMINUM.
It does not rust, so can last a long time. I know a guy who could
weld it up, given enough cash. Alas, it does take cash.
> PLATONIC AND ARCHIMEDEAN SOLIDS, JUST SLIGHTLY
>
> LARGER THAN THE SIZE OF A STANDARD BASKET BALL;
I thought you had been in the market for things the size of a car.
> If you can draw them, perhaps one of the local metal shops can
> make it out of folded galvanized steel, or even have it chrome plated.
>
> But, um, I seem to recall your difficulties in prioritizing the
> spending of cash. This would seem one of those items which belongs
> further down the list than quite a few pieces of scientific apparatus.
>
>
> ACTUALLY, THE OBTAINING OF, OR THE CUSTOM
>
> CONSTRUCTION OF, A PERFECT, 100% MINIMALISTIC,
"Perfect" is a hard term to define, and is even harder, more
expensive to obtain.
Many studios have things which are close. Mass produced devices
tend to be cheaper. Especially when only slightly obsolete.
ROHDE AND SCHWARZ HAS AN AUDIO ANALYZER; ONE OF THE
ABSOLUTE BEST THAT I HAVE SEEN, AND IT IS MASS PRODUCED,
YET IT IS UN AFFORDABLE FOR ME.
THE MODEL/MAKE #, IS: R&S UPV.
THAT IS THE REASON WHY I NEED AN ABSOLUTELY MINIMALISTIC,
YET HIGH TECH, MODERN UNIT, THAT HAS QUALITY PARTS AND
QUALITY COMPONENTS.
I AM NOT INTERESTED IN A LOT OF THE FRIVOULOUS FLUFF THAT
ACCOMPANIES THE MAINSTREAM MARKETED DEVICES AND
ANALYZERS; ALL I NEED ARE SPECIFIC FUNCTIONS ONLY, AND
NOTHING ELSE.
WWW.ROHDE-SCHWARZ.COM/USA
CYBER RESEARCH WAS SUGGESTED FOR ME TO CHECK OUT,
SO I GOT A COPY OF THEIR CATALOG.
WWW.CYBERRESEARCH.COM
THEIR EQUIPMENT LOOKS TO BE QUALITY, AS WELL AS MODULAR
AND CUSTOMIZABLE, BUT I STILL DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY
THAT I NEED, TO BUILD A PERFECT (PERFECT, FOR THE LACK
OF ANOTHER WORD TO USE,) MINIMALISTIC, 100% MODULAR,
YET HIGH QUALITY, HIGH TECH, MODERN STYLE OF UNIT,
WITH A COLOR LIQUID CRYSTAL DISPLAY, AND THAT HAS A CARD
THAT HAS A FREQUENCY RATE; MEASURING BOTH ANALOG, AND
DIGITAL, THAT IS COMPARABLE TO THE MARQUETTE MAC 5000
ELECTROCARDIOGRAM, THAT HAS ONE OF ITS SELECTABLE TRACE
RATE SPEEDS, THAT FUNCTIONS AT: 25mm's PER SECOND.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT 25 MILLIMETERS PER SECOND IS, CONVERTED
TO STANDARD O-SCOPE TRACE RATE TIME/SAMPLING RATE TIME
SPEED RATE.
> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A LARGE PAPER TETRAHEDRON.
>
> IT'D PROBABLY BE PRETTY DAMNED DIFFICULT THOUGH,
Tetrahedron, you say? that's only four points. I made a bunch of
them for some chemical model some years back, trying to simulate by hand
how such a specific thing would grow. They were easy to make! I don't
recall how... but it involved using a compass to lay out the four
surfaces by intersections of circles drawn centered on the main circle.
The main triangle was in the center, with other triangles off it. Then i
cut and folded, cut and folded, cut and folded dozens of them. To
facilitate the gluing of them, I didn't have points, but very small flat
surfaces. That was a little harder, but not that much harder. I think
I spent a day at it, or maybe only an afternoon. Made some other shapes
as well.
NO; MAKING PAPER TETRAHEDRONS ARE FAIRLY EASY, EXCEPT
WHEN YOU GET TO THE PART OF TRYING TO FINALIZE IT, TO A
COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION;
TAPE IS MUCH EASIER THAN GLUE.
IT IS QUITE DIFFICULT TO GLUE, AND EVEN TO TAPE, THE FOURTH
PLANE, IN PERFECT PLACE, WHEN YOU HAVE NO FORCE
BEHIND IT, PUSHING BACK AT YOU, WHEN YOU ATTEMPT TO GLUE,
(OR IN MY CASE, IT WAS TAPE,) OR TO TAPE THE FINAL FOURTH
PLANE INTO PERFECT PLACE, WITHOUT SCREWING IT UP.
All that paper folding stuff is really easy.
> TO MAKE A HEXAHEDRON FROM PAPER.
Well, ok, that's not an icosahedron, so... six surfaces... A box!
Simple! Just lay out four boxes around a central box, and one more on
one of the outer boxes. Leave little tabs for gluing. Cut and fold.
That's all. It's easy!!!
A BOX???
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY A BOX???
MAYBE IT WOULD BE EASIER THAN I FIRST THOUGHT; TO
CONSTRUCT A PAPER HEXAHEDRON; TO JUST CONSTRUCT
TWO, PAPER TETRAHEEDS, AND THEN GLUE THEM BOTH
TOGETHER AT THE BASE.
I MADE A PAPER TETRAHEDRON, BACK IN AROUND 1997,
BUT I THREW IT AWAY, BECAUSE OF MY FRUSTRATION,
SINCE I WANTED TO EXPERIMENT AROUND, AT THAT TIME,
(AND I STILL WANT TO EXPERIMENT AROUND;) WITH
EXPERIMENTAL TETRAHEDRAL ANTENNA GEOMETRIES, AND
NOW, ALSO; HEXAHEDRAL ANTENNA GEOMETRIES TOO.
> And with the lighter weight and lower fabrication costs, there is
> the possibility of exhibiting them at various places, and taking
> orders for more, which you can have the sheet metals shop fabricate for
> somewhat less than half of what you will be asking for them.
>
>
I WOULD EITHER GO FOR SOLID CHROME PLATED STEEL, AND/OR
SOLID ALUMINUM PLATONIC, AND ARCHIMEDEAN SOLIDS, FOR
GARDEN STATUARY, WITH THE SIZES BEING SLIGHTLY LARGER
THAN THE SIZE OF A BASKETBALL, RELATIVELY SPEAKING.
> I WONDER WHAT AMOUNT OF PROFIT THAT A PERSON
> COULD MAKE, HAVING PLATONIC, AND ARCHIMEDEAN
> SOLIDS FABRICATED, AND THEN RE-SELLING THEM AT
> A REASONABLE HIGHER PRICE?
Not a clue!
> PATENTS, AS I HAVE LEARNED, ARE A MOSTLY VAIN
> PROCESS IN THE MODERN TIMES, BUT I WONDER IF
> A PERSON COULD PUT A COPYRIGHT ON SUCH, AS I
> HAVE DESCRIBED?
You want to copyright what, a form which was first described and
built when? And is described in a whole heck of a lot of mathematics
texts through the ages?
ONLY TO COPYRIGHT MY GARDEN STATUARY IDEA, AND NOT
TO COPYRIGHT THE ACTUAL PLATONIC, AND ARCHIMEDEAN
SOLIDS THEMSELVES, SINCE THEY ARE ALREADY WELL
KNOWN AND ESTABLISHED OBJECTS, THAT CAN BE
REPRODUCED, MANUFACTURED AND SOLD, BY ANYONE, NO
MATTER WHO IT IS.
Ah... Seeing as copyright is meant to protect a unique work,
getting away with that might be a little difficult...
Now, if you create a book of cut-out platonic solids (with little
glue tabs) for kids to make, along with some text describing
formulas, etc.; THAT you could copyright. And if you include programs
for making those in some computer language, that would give you an even
stronger copyright. (Or shared with whomever provided the code.)
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no lawyer, I only tell computers what to do.
CAUTION: I'm no mathematician, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as legal or
mathematical advice.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 10:41:09 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Mar 2 11:41:18 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Response (for Javilk, and others too).
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20050302184109.86609.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
This is an e-mail reponse that I
sent today, to Mr. George
Trinkaus, of Tesla Press.
I would like to know your thoughts
concerning my question to Mr.
Trinkaus.
George Trinkaus by the way, is
about the best publisher of books
that I have seen, that pertain to
Nikola Tesla.
Sincerely, Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
Original e-mail:
George,
Can you help me to connect the dots?
Between:
#1.) The Federal Reserve Banking System.
#2.) The Internal Revenue Service.
#3.) The public educational system.
#4.) Private education.
#5.) Pharmacology companies.
#6.) The military industrial complex.
#7.) The energy infrastructure.
#8.) Politics.
#9.) Religions.
#10.) Belief systems; (aka: religions; and other:).
#11.) Theories.
#12.) Dogmas.
#14.) Karmas.
#15.) Theologies.
#16.) Deologies.
#17.) All secret societies; known, and unknown.
#18.) Dictatorial control systems; belief, and
thought control systems; political,
religious, and secret societal).
#19.) Etc. : (Whatever else applies, to show the
entire, grand illusion/delusion/dillusion
picture, but, showing its information, in a
succinct, trite, pictorial, and/or symbolic,
and/or definitive nutshell).
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
"tesla@teslapress.com" wrote:
I think not. Probably educated in England.
Blavatsky: I don't dismiss her as you do.
George
tesla@teslapress.com
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:40 , clyde lofton sent:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>George,
>
>Was J.P. Morgan, a
>member of Skull And
>Bones?
>
>Information weblink:
http://davidicke.www.50megs.com/icke/magazine/vol8/articles/bushskull.html
>
>Is this David Icke information,
>factual?
>What are your thoughts?
>
>Clyde.
>clydelofton@yahoo.com
>
>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 2 20:18:23 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Mar 2 13:18:25 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Another response for Javilk.
In-Reply-To: from "Aaron
Agassi" at Mar 02, 2005 09:14:09 AM
Message-ID: <20050302201823.43272.qmail@mall-net.com>
First the meat:
> All moot, unless anyone even looks for ways to make a viable venture for
> seeking Capital.
I have a friend and client who IS a venture capitalist. This is
not our kind of venture.
What I really don't like about your phraseology, this time and
before, is the "for seeking" part.
First, is to create a viable, profitable business model, not some
paper hype to chase capital with; something with a strong expectation
of making money. If possible, one which requires minimal initial
outside investment (aka seed capital) without selling stock.
Then, if you can prove some market potential as well as the basis
of the technology; THEN one goes for the first round of venture capital
funding to actually prove the POTENTIAL of the idea. There are usually
several rounds. The better companies will install their managers and
provide a LOT more than mere financial help.
Restoration is more like a hobby or charity. Totally different
psychology. I'm not into non-profits or tour circuits. If someone else
wants to do that, that's fine with me.
As for the rest of your comments...
> > > Javilk, you are nothing if not a tiresome non sequitur windbag!
> > Do not waste
> > > my patience with you.
> >
> > Most of my reply was not directed to you, but to Clyde, who seems
> > to need a little more information abut other things.
> >
> Not so. You where rambling on about what blood suckers Venture Capitalists
> are, and how use vague proposals for market surveys.
I'm not rambling. I'm giving you my take based upon some 35 years
of business experience as a consultant and occasional entrepreneur. I
may not always phrase it in the best manner... but the experience is
there.
And I personally know several venture capitalists, one of whom is a
good friend and client of mine. We are always looking for business
opportunities. (This clearly isn't one of them.)
I've work with and eaten lunch and dinner with entrepreneurs,
participated in several start-ups (two of my own), as well as worked the
major corporate consulting circuit.
I've seen what vulture capitalists (vs Venture Capitalists) have
done to some of the people I've known, worked for, etc. Some of these
people are quite successful in other ventures. I know others who had
let the venture capitalists force them to mortgage their own futures,
only to see the vultures walk away when another, better, opportunity
suddenly appears on their horizon. Another good friend bought one of
these ventures as salvage, and made out quite well running it. Where as
the venture capitalists wanted a ten to twenty fold return on their
money taking it public, he wasn't so greedy and so did ok running it as
a private company.
> > Someone might be able to make a go of it on the county fair
> > circuit; but that's not my kind of game.
> >
> Does it have to be?
Given the local competition, the only other alternative that _I_
can think of would _seem_ to be selling it to a tour group, museum or
Hollywood film company after, or possibly before, restoration.
(Hey, how about selling it to a space-rock group?)
Do you have a better idea???
I am not a restorer. And while I did enjoy being in the original
mock-up in Houston and have always been interested in space, looking at
the past with the kind of reverence needed to restore this item, or any
other item, is just not me.
Several of these modules were made. I think this was serial number
three; but I could be wrong. The historical loss of one is not that big
a deal in my book. But it would make one heck of a lawn ornament for
the right guy. I thought Mr. Lofton might have such a lawn. I do not.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 2 20:59:04 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Mar 2 13:59:06 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Response (for Javilk, and others too).
In-Reply-To: <20050302184109.86609.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 02, 2005 10:41:09 AM
Message-ID: <20050302205904.99672.qmail@mall-net.com>
> sent today, to Mr. George
> Trinkaus, of Tesla Press.
> George,
>
> Can you help me to connect the dots?
>
>
> Between:
>
> #1.) The Federal Reserve Banking System.
> #2.) The Internal Revenue Service.
> #3.) The public educational system.
> #4.) Private education.
...etc...
They are mostly salt grains tossed upon a velvet table cover. The
lines you place connecting them are those you find in your own
imagination.
Turn to other, more profitable endeavors, lest you bog your soul in
things which bring no sustenance to your being.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 14:39:47 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Mar 2 15:40:01 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Stop NUCLEAR Radioactivity.
In-Reply-To: <20050302071745.14006.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050302223947.14924.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
I'd have to say: STOP NUCLEAR RADIOACTIVITY!
clyde lofton wrote:
Here is another weblink to
share:
www.kraftwerk.com
If anyone visits Kraftwerk's
site, be sure to click on:
Radioactivity!
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Mar 2 15:51:54 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: (I hope this isn't information
overload!)Javilk; ANOTHER response.
Message-ID: <20050302225145.22338.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
clyde lofton wrote:
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> A bit expensive in those. Plate would be better... Plated steel
> in zinc or chrome.
>
>
> YEAH, CHROME PLATED STEEL WOULD PROBABLY BE MY
>
> FIRST CHOICE OF ALL.
>
> ALTHOUGH I FORGOT TO MENTION ALUMINUM.
>
> I WOULD POSSIBLY SETTLE FOR ALUMINUM.
It does not rust, so can last a long time. I know a guy who could
weld it up, given enough cash. Alas, it does take cash.
> PLATONIC AND ARCHIMEDEAN SOLIDS, JUST SLIGHTLY
>
> LARGER THAN THE SIZE OF A STANDARD BASKET BALL;
I thought you had been in the market for things the size of a car.
> If you can draw them, perhaps one of the local metal shops can
> make it out of folded galvanized steel, or even have it chrome plated.
>
> But, um, I seem to recall your difficulties in prioritizing the
> spending of cash. This would seem one of those items which belongs
> further down the list than quite a few pieces of scientific apparatus.
>
>
> ACTUALLY, THE OBTAINING OF, OR THE CUSTOM
>
> CONSTRUCTION OF, A PERFECT, 100% MINIMALISTIC,
"Perfect" is a hard term to define, and is even harder, more
expensive to obtain.
Many studios have things which are close. Mass produced devices
tend to be cheaper. Especially when only slightly obsolete.
ROHDE AND SCHWARZ HAS AN AUDIO ANALYZER; ONE OF THE
ABSOLUTE BEST THAT I HAVE SEEN, AND IT IS MASS PRODUCED,
YET IT IS UN AFFORDABLE FOR ME.
THE MODEL/MAKE #, IS: R&S UPV.
THAT IS THE REASON WHY I NEED AN ABSOLUTELY MINIMALISTIC,
YET HIGH TECH, MODERN UNIT, THAT HAS QUALITY PARTS AND
QUALITY COMPONENTS.
I AM NOT INTERESTED IN A LOT OF THE FRIVOULOUS FLUFF THAT
ACCOMPANIES THE MAINSTREAM MARKETED DEVICES AND
ANALYZERS; ALL I NEED ARE SPECIFIC FUNCTIONS ONLY, AND
NOTHING ELSE.
WWW.ROHDE-SCHWARZ.COM/USA
CYBER RESEARCH WAS SUGGESTED FOR ME TO CHECK OUT,
SO I GOT A COPY OF THEIR CATALOG.
WWW.CYBERRESEARCH.COM
THEIR EQUIPMENT LOOKS TO BE QUALITY, AS WELL AS MODULAR
AND CUSTOMIZABLE, BUT I STILL DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY
THAT I NEED, TO BUILD A PERFECT (PERFECT, FOR THE LACK
OF ANOTHER WORD TO USE,) MINIMALISTIC, 100% MODULAR,
YET HIGH QUALITY, HIGH TECH, MODERN STYLE OF UNIT,
WITH A COLOR LIQUID CRYSTAL DISPLAY, AND THAT HAS A CARD
THAT HAS A FREQUENCY RATE; MEASURING BOTH ANALOG, AND
DIGITAL, THAT IS COMPARABLE TO THE MARQUETTE MAC 5000
ELECTROCARDIOGRAM, THAT HAS ONE OF ITS SELECTABLE TRACE
RATE SPEEDS, THAT FUNCTIONS AT: 25mm's PER SECOND.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT 25 MILLIMETERS PER SECOND IS, CONVERTED
TO STANDARD O-SCOPE TRACE RATE TIME/SAMPLING RATE TIME
SPEED RATE.
> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A LARGE PAPER TETRAHEDRON.
>
> IT'D PROBABLY BE PRETTY DAMNED DIFFICULT THOUGH,
Tetrahedron, you say? that's only four points. I made a bunch of
them for some chemical model some years back, trying to simulate by hand
how such a specific thing would grow. They were easy to make! I don't
recall how... but it involved using a compass to lay out the four
surfaces by intersections of circles drawn centered on the main circle.
The main triangle was in the center, with other triangles off it. Then i
cut and folded, cut and folded, cut and folded dozens of them. To
facilitate the gluing of them, I didn't have points, but very small flat
surfaces. That was a little harder, but not that much harder. I think
I spent a day at it, or maybe only an afternoon. Made some other shapes
as well.
NO; MAKING PAPER TETRAHEDRONS ARE FAIRLY EASY, EXCEPT
WHEN YOU GET TO THE PART OF TRYING TO FINALIZE IT, TO A
COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION;
TAPE IS MUCH EASIER THAN GLUE.
IT IS QUITE DIFFICULT TO GLUE, AND EVEN TO TAPE, THE FOURTH
PLANE, IN PERFECT PLACE, WHEN YOU HAVE NO FORCE
BEHIND IT, PUSHING BACK AT YOU, WHEN YOU ATTEMPT TO GLUE,
(OR IN MY CASE, IT WAS TAPE,) OR TO TAPE THE FINAL FOURTH
PLANE INTO PERFECT PLACE, WITHOUT SCREWING IT UP.
All that paper folding stuff is really easy.
> TO MAKE A HEXAHEDRON FROM PAPER.
Well, ok, that's not an icosahedron, so... six surfaces... A box!
Simple! Just lay out four boxes around a central box, and one more on
one of the outer boxes. Leave little tabs for gluing. Cut and fold.
That's all. It's easy!!!
A BOX???
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY A BOX???
MAYBE IT WOULD BE EASIER THAN I FIRST THOUGHT; TO
CONSTRUCT A PAPER HEXAHEDRON; TO JUST CONSTRUCT
TWO, PAPER TETRAHEEDS, AND THEN GLUE THEM BOTH
TOGETHER AT THE BASE.
I MADE A PAPER TETRAHEDRON, BACK IN AROUND 1997,
BUT I THREW IT AWAY, BECAUSE OF MY FRUSTRATION,
SINCE I WANTED TO EXPERIMENT AROUND, AT THAT TIME,
(AND I STILL WANT TO EXPERIMENT AROUND;) WITH
EXPERIMENTAL TETRAHEDRAL ANTENNA GEOMETRIES, AND
NOW, ALSO; HEXAHEDRAL ANTENNA GEOMETRIES TOO.
> And with the lighter weight and lower fabrication costs, there is
> the possibility of exhibiting them at various places, and taking
> orders for more, which you can have the sheet metals shop fabricate for
> somewhat less than half of what you will be asking for them.
>
>
I WOULD EITHER GO FOR SOLID CHROME PLATED STEEL, AND/OR
SOLID ALUMINUM PLATONIC, AND ARCHIMEDEAN SOLIDS, FOR
GARDEN STATUARY, WITH THE SIZES BEING SLIGHTLY LARGER
THAN THE SIZE OF A BASKETBALL, RELATIVELY SPEAKING.
> I WONDER WHAT AMOUNT OF PROFIT THAT A PERSON
> COULD MAKE, HAVING PLATONIC, AND ARCHIMEDEAN
> SOLIDS FABRICATED, AND THEN RE-SELLING THEM AT
> A REASONABLE HIGHER PRICE?
Not a clue!
> PATENTS, AS I HAVE LEARNED, ARE A MOSTLY VAIN
> PROCESS IN THE MODERN TIMES, BUT I WONDER IF
> A PERSON COULD PUT A COPYRIGHT ON SUCH, AS I
> HAVE DESCRIBED?
You want to copyright what, a form which was first described and
built when? And is described in a whole heck of a lot of mathematics
texts through the ages?
ONLY TO COPYRIGHT MY GARDEN STATUARY IDEA, AND NOT
TO COPYRIGHT THE ACTUAL PLATONIC, AND ARCHIMEDEAN
SOLIDS THEMSELVES, SINCE THEY ARE ALREADY WELL
KNOWN AND ESTABLISHED OBJECTS, THAT CAN BE
REPRODUCED, MANUFACTURED AND SOLD, BY ANYONE, NO
MATTER WHO IT IS.
Ah... Seeing as copyright is meant to protect a unique work,
getting away with that might be a little difficult...
Now, if you create a book of cut-out platonic solids (with little
glue tabs) for kids to make, along with some text describing
formulas, etc.; THAT you could copyright. And if you include programs
for making those in some computer language, that would give you an even
stronger copyright. (Or shared with whomever provided the code.)
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 15:03:22 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Mar 2 16:03:31 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Temcor is FUCKIN' AWESOME!
In-Reply-To: <20050302071312.20686.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
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Yeow!!! Fuckin' awesome!!!
Just thought I'd share a crazy
moment with everyone out
there.
clyde lofton wrote:
WEBLINK:
www.temcor.com
Temcor is FUCKIN' AWESOME;
(in Brian Johnson's voice, of the
rock/metal band: AC/DC).
Clyde
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From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Wed Mar 2 17:26:32 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Response (for Javilk, and others too).
In-Reply-To: <20050302184109.86609.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050303002624.10678.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
I think I'll group the whole list, and give a witty
answer:
connecting the dots give us:
1.) run time errors and syntax errors in the directing
philosophies of these groups.
2.) inability of these groups to use a common set of
facts, thoughts, and actions, to decide on a mutual
action plan.
3.) the false belief that at least some of these
groups might have a mutual action plan.
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> Javilk,
>
> This is an e-mail reponse that I
> sent today, to Mr. George
> Trinkaus, of Tesla Press.
> I would like to know your thoughts
> concerning my question to Mr.
> Trinkaus.
> George Trinkaus by the way, is
> about the best publisher of books
> that I have seen, that pertain to
> Nikola Tesla.
>
> Sincerely, Clyde
> clydelofton@yahoo.com
>
> Original e-mail:
>
> George,
>
> Can you help me to connect the dots?
>
>
> Between:
>
> #1.) The Federal Reserve Banking System.
> #2.) The Internal Revenue Service.
> #3.) The public educational system.
> #4.) Private education.
> #5.) Pharmacology companies.
> #6.) The military industrial complex.
> #7.) The energy infrastructure.
> #8.) Politics.
> #9.) Religions.
> #10.) Belief systems; (aka: religions; and other:).
> #11.) Theories.
> #12.) Dogmas.
> #14.) Karmas.
> #15.) Theologies.
> #16.) Deologies.
> #17.) All secret societies; known, and unknown.
> #18.) Dictatorial control systems; belief, and
> thought control systems; political,
> religious, and secret societal).
> #19.) Etc. : (Whatever else applies, to show the
> entire, grand illusion/delusion/dillusion
> picture, but, showing its information, in a
> succinct, trite, pictorial, and/or symbolic,
> and/or definitive nutshell).
>
> Clyde
> clydelofton@yahoo.com
>
>
> "tesla@teslapress.com"
> wrote:
>
> I think not. Probably educated in England.
>
> Blavatsky: I don't dismiss her as you do.
>
> George
> tesla@teslapress.com
>
>
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:40 , clyde lofton sent:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >George,
> >
> >Was J.P. Morgan, a
> >member of Skull And
> >Bones?
> >
> >Information weblink:
>
http://davidicke.www.50megs.com/icke/magazine/vol8/articles/bushskull.html
> >
> >Is this David Icke information,
> >factual?
> >What are your thoughts?
> >
> >Clyde.
> >clydelofton@yahoo.com
> >
> >
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Mar 3 00:37:28 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Mar 2 17:37:29 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Response (for Javilk, and others too).
In-Reply-To: <20050303002624.10678.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at Mar 02, 2005 04:26:24 PM
Message-ID: <20050303003728.19971.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
>
> Clyde,
>
> I think I'll group the whole list, and give a witty
> answer:
>
> connecting the dots give us:
> 1.) run time errors and syntax errors in the directing
> philosophies of these groups.
> 2.) inability of these groups to use a common set of
> facts, thoughts, and actions, to decide on a mutual
> action plan.
> 3.) the false belief that at least some of these
> groups might have a mutual action plan.
LAUGHING!!!!
4. The false belief that these groups actually have
rational plans! Or any plan!!!
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From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Wed Mar 2 18:14:16 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Response (for Javilk, and others too).
In-Reply-To: <20050303003728.19971.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050303011408.27019.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com>
5.) assuming that these groups are monolithic in
structure. (one of my axioms is that all politics are
addictive and fractal.)
Bob
--- javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Clyde,
> >
> > I think I'll group the whole list, and give a
> witty
> > answer:
> >
> > connecting the dots give us:
> > 1.) run time errors and syntax errors in the
> directing
> > philosophies of these groups.
> > 2.) inability of these groups to use a common set
> of
> > facts, thoughts, and actions, to decide on a
> mutual
> > action plan.
> > 3.) the false belief that at least some of these
> > groups might have a mutual action plan.
>
> LAUGHING!!!!
>
> 4. The false belief that these groups actually
> have
> rational plans! Or any plan!!!
>
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Mar 4 00:20:25 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bridging the gap between perpetual motion,
perpetual energy, and crude artificial intelligence.
Message-ID: <20050304072010.65280.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
To whoever, and allever,
Has anyone out there successfully linked
the gap between perpetual motion,
perpetual energy, crude artificial intelligence,
and eternal (perpetual) life???
This posting goes out to all of the mad
scientists studying esoteric science, in
relation to scientists, such as; Nikola Tesla,
Micheal Faraday, Edward Leedskalnin, and
certain others, who I have left out.
Sincerely, Clyde
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Mar 4 00:57:20 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bridging the gap between perpetual motion,
In-Reply-To: <20050304072010.65280.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 03, 2005 11:20:10 PM
Message-ID: <20050304075717.74980.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Has anyone out there successfully linked
> the gap between perpetual motion,
Perpetual motion / energy is difficult. Energy from the unexpected
or hidden sources is easier. There's supposed to be an awful lot of it
just laying around, if we could figure out how to tap it.
> perpetual energy, crude artificial intelligence,
Artificial intelligence (which I occasionaly dabble in) is merely
artificial stupidity done quickly en-mass. It's not that hard to make,
as long as you are dealing with a well bounded area. Rule based AI,
perhaps adding some using fuzzy logic to let it make a "best guess" when
needed, isn't all that bad... but the area has to be bounded well enough
that you can develop a good set of rules. I've used it more than once
to generate scads of program code with great results.
> and eternal (perpetual) life???
Some limitations apply, not available in all universes, offer void
where prohibited by physical law.
(I think that means our universe.)
That does not say we can't get approximations... We are living
about three times our life expectancy in the wild. Life expectancy was
30 - 35 in ancient Greece, maybe 45 in Rome. Today, many of us can
expect to reach our 80's. On the other hand, we die tired of old age;
rather than young and vigorous, of illness or accident. Like I say,
some limitations apply.
Some whales appear to make it to 260 years or more. Eventually,
we'll learn their secrets. Gene splicing may help.
> This posting goes out to all of the mad
> scientists studying esoteric science, in
> relation to scientists, such as; Nikola Tesla,
> Micheal Faraday, Edward Leedskalnin, and
> certain others, who I have left out.
These folks took major steps forward. Then they had to sit down
and rest.
If you were to be more specific, we might be able to come up with
better answers. Do you have a specific application in mind?
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 00:21:30 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Mar 4 01:21:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Possible suppressed historical science and
technology.
Message-ID: <20050304082130.10206.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
To all;
Other than information on magnetic
amplifiers, does anyone out there have
any suppressed, hidden, and/or forgotten,
esoteric information regarding the
following:
#1.) Crude mechanical (torque) amplifiers?
(Nikola Tesla supposedly built a highly
suppressed mechanical torque amplifier,
called; The Gravtap Mechanical Torque
Amplifier.)
#2.) Crude electrical amplifiers; (not
electronic, but purely high current, high
voltage, high power, solid state, and
perhaps tube type of topological as
well)?
#3.) Crude acoustic(al) amplifiers?
#4.) 'Crude' transducers?
(Crude transducers of ALL kinds.)
All four of the above topics, described
and explained, linguistically, pictorially,
and/or symbolically, in dictionary,
and/or encyclopedia formats, instead
of the typical 'baroque' overkill
mathematic mainstream neverending
nonsense explanation formats?
Clyde Lofton
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Mar 4 01:38:06 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Possible suppressed historical science and
In-Reply-To: <20050304082130.10206.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 04, 2005 12:21:30 AM
Message-ID: <20050304083804.23929.qmail@mall-net.com>
> All four of the above topics, described
> and explained, linguistically, pictorially,
> and/or symbolically, in dictionary,
> and/or encyclopedia formats, instead
> of the typical 'baroque' overkill
> mathematic mainstream neverending
> nonsense explanation formats?
Clyde, till you can model it mathematically, you don't understand
it. You may think you do, but you don't.
The essence and proof of understanding is prediction. To do that,
you need a model. For anything modestly complex or precise, that means
math. And to get that math right in new areas, it usually means a lot
of experimentation to get a lot of data points so you can see what the
equations should look like.
In short, till you can model it mathematically, you don't
understand it.
There's a hell of a lot of stuff I don't understand well enough to
model!
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 01:03:26 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Mar 4 02:03:40 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A list of weblinks.
Message-ID: <20050304090326.86376.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
I have an idea, that could possibly
be considered; Crude A.I.; and
that would be, the voltage control
of a Theremin, using a Tesla Coil,
and possibly, the vice versa of
that.
Using a Tesla Coil to modulate a
Theremin synthesizer, and
possibly the reverse of that, as
well, perhaps both, doing their
functions simultaneously, to
effect one another, intelligently?
In other words: Chaos controlling
synthesis, and synthesis
controlling chaos.
I need to go for now, and call it
a night, if I can even get any
sleep at all tonight.
I feel like I am on the verge of
brain death right now, because
I have a slight headache, and
even though I would like to go
back over this e-mail, and
double check it again, for
spelling and grammatical
errors, I can't think clearly
enough right now, to be able
to think straight, and to see
straight.
I need to go by a fabric store,
or a hobby store, tomorrow,
to buy several of the knitting
hoops that you mentioned
that you used, for your
Helmholtz field generator.
I intend to construct a
Helmholtz field generator,
as the one that you have
described to me.
I need to go for now.
Sincerely, Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
Additional weblinks, that I left out of
the message, below:
1.) http://www.doepfer.com
2.) http://www.analoguehaven.com
3.) http://www.paia.com
To all;
I don't care so much about the robot aspects of the following article:
Redefining Robots; because it is actually the crude artificial intelligence
aspects that I am interested in only, and also, The Robots, by Kraftwerk,
even though it is a cool song, isn't one of my favorite Kraftwerk tunes;
1.) http://www.manufacturingcenter.com/dfx/archives/0201/0201rob.asp
Another version of the article: Redefining Robots; a slightly different
rendition from the one above; this version was published in the
Smithsonian magazine;
2.) http://www.artsci.gmcc.ab.ca/PEOPLE/petal/robots.htm
Machine Design Magazine information;
3.) http://www.tradepub.com/free/md
The following is one of America's best companies, for the fabrication
of the highest of quality and integrity, rack cabinets, and 19" rack
mountable chassis cases.
The most suitable cases for the construction of 100% modular,
and 100% minimalistic computers, as well as custom electronics
applications, are the Inpac chassis cases, for custom
engineered, 19" rackmountable custom electronics.
Also, regarding the Inpac cases, click on the Cases Overview,
and then click on Inpac, in the left hand column on the cases
overview webpage;
4.) http://www.schroff.us/home.asp
The following is a website that has good information on speech
synthesis;
5.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/speech_synthesis
(I tried to look up information on a speech synthesizer
module that Analogue Systems had designed back in 02',
but it seems that they no longer manufacture and sell it.
The module was called; The SP8-SS Voltage Controlled
Vocal/Speech (Allophone) Speech Sysnthesizer, that
was evidently designed to sing, as well as speak, but I
can't find any info on it, currently.)
The following weblink is to the website of E.C. And M.
Magazine, that I currently have a free subscription to.
It is for electrical contractors, as well as electrical
engineers.
It is full of excellent electrical information, and excellent
articles in electrical science, electrical technology, and
electrical engineering;
6.) http://www.ecmweb.com
The following website is of the small business who
manufactures and sells the model TS2010X speech
synthesizer, that I own one of.
D.C. And D. (Data Collection And Dispersal Inc.,)
manufactures, and sells the model TS2010X speech
synthesizer.
Here is the website;
7.) http://www.dcdinc.com
The Wiard analog modular synthesizer website, of which, they
get into chaotic voltage control, for esoteric sound effects;
8.) http://www.wiard.com
For analog sound synthesizers, as well as analog video
synthesizers; Buchla And Associates;
9.) http://www.buchla.com
Blacet Research has very cool modules, but
unfortunately they discontinued the module, called;
The Dark Star, that I really wanted to purchase at
least one of.
The Dark Star module produces chaotic control
voltages, to create, strange, esoteric sound effects,
different from conventional L.F.O.'s (low frequency
oscillators,) that use audio clocks, with variable
pulse width modulation, as well as the standard
choices of various waveforms to select from, and
variable frequency ranges across the entire audible
audio (sonic) spectrum, portion of the electromagnetic
spectrum.
10.) http://www.blacet.com
Here is the weblink to North Country Radio, in
New York.
I purchased my V.L.F. (very low frequency) (aka:
E.L.F.) (extra low frequency) audio radio receiver kit,
from them, last year, and have only been able to do
a limited about of field research with it so far.
Between flatline, 0 cycles D.C., all the way up to 30
Kilocycles, (K.c.'s, aka: Khz.,) and even up to 100
K.c.'s; audio, and radio are the exact same thing.
It is a portion of science that is left out of the
mainstream radio science books, as well as left out
of the mainstream physics textbooks too.
I hope to do recordings of whistlers, the dawn
chorus, and hope also, to be able to do graveyard
experiments too, in the future, as well, even though
graveyard experiments are on the edge of fringe
science, so so-called E.V.P. (electronic voice
phenomena,) is more than likely only pseudoscience,
but it never hurts, persay, to experiment.
11.) http://www.northcountryradio.com
The Voder speech synthesizer was the world's
first electrical/electronic speech synthesizer,
although, before the Voder, there were several
crude, and strange, purely mechanical speech
synthesizers as well.
Here are four current websites regarding the
Voder of Homer Dudley (created in 1939);
12.) http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/vocoder/
13.) http://www.bell-labs.com/org/1133/Heritage/Vocoder/
14.) http://www.ptolemy.eecs.berkeley.edu/~eal/audio/voder.html
15.) http://www.haskins.yale.edu/haskins/HEADS/SIMULACRA/voder.html
The following weblinks are not pertaining to
synthesizers, but I am including them here,
anyway;
16.) http://www.fleshingoutskullandbones.com
17.) http://www.911inplanesite.com
18.) http://www.policestate21.com
The following website includes the book; Lucifer's
Children, The Kingdomless Kings Of The New
World Order.
A book that links the New Age Movement to the
New World Order, the Federal Reserve, the
International Banking System, and the United
Nations, etc.;
19.) http://www.armageddonbooks.com/newworld.html
Health Research Books has a large selection of
some of the strangest books in print, in the world.
They charge $5.00 for their mail order catalog;
20.) http://www.healthresearchbooks.com
The following information is regarding underwater
loudspeakers.
I have wanted to do underwater loudspeaker
experiments in conjuction with sound synthesizers
for such a log time now, but my projects in that
area of exploration have been shelved, and
they continue to remain shelved, to this day;
21.) http://www.lubell.com/
Along with the underwater loudspeaker research,
I have also wanted to purchase a hydrophone,
to listen to all sorts of underwater sounds, and
to use it, along with underwater loudspeakers,
with sound synthesizers too;
22.) http://www.dolphinear.com/
Here are two final weblinks that I will
leave everyone with, in this e-mail;
23.) http://www.holy-secrets.com/
24.) http://www.holy-secrets.com/Yahweh%20vs%20The%20real%20Father%20of%20Jesus.htm
Sincerely, Clyde Lofton
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Mar 4 02:27:05 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A list of weblinks.
In-Reply-To: <20050304090326.86376.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 04, 2005 01:03:26 AM
Message-ID: <20050304092703.97042.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I have an idea, that could possibly
> be considered; Crude A.I.; and
> that would be, the voltage control
> of a Theremin, using a Tesla Coil,
> and possibly, the vice versa of
> that.
> Using a Tesla Coil to modulate a
> Theremin synthesizer, and
> possibly the reverse of that, as
> well, perhaps both, doing their
> functions simultaneously, to
> effect one another, intelligently?
> In other words: Chaos controlling
> synthesis, and synthesis
> controlling chaos.
Hmm... interesting. But... well, hmmm... I think you want more
like slower fractal patterns feeding the theremin. that you won't get
from the Tesla coil. In fact, the tesla coil will upset the theremin
big time.
> I feel like I am on the verge of
> brain death right now, because
I knoooo the feeling!
> I need to go by a fabric store,
> or a hobby store, tomorrow,
> to buy several of the knitting
> hoops that you mentioned
> that you used, for your
> Helmholtz field generator.
> I intend to construct a
> Helmholtz field generator,
> as the one that you have
> described to me.
Keep us posted.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Mar 4 13:44:02 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A list of weblinks.
In-Reply-To: <20050304090326.86376.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 04, 2005 01:03:26 AM
Message-ID: <20050304204400.62850.qmail@mall-net.com>
> The following is one of America's best companies, for the fabrication
> of the highest of quality and integrity, rack cabinets, and 19" rack
> mountable chassis cases.
Who Cares! I use surplus racks, sometimes just open frames, often
just stacking the equipment if extra cooling is not the issue.
Appearance is nothing. Function is everything. The least bucks for the
bang. Or when you don't know what you are going to do, the cheapest
general fit for the arena you will be working in.
In the end, it's not the best equipment, it's the best ideas that
win if the equipment is good enough. First prove the CONCEPT. Then
look at making it work on a larger scale. Buying surplus can often get
your proof-of-concept equipment for $0.02 - $0.10 per dollar. You can
do one heck of a lot more experiments that way!
> The most suitable cases for the construction of 100% modular,
> and 100% minimalistic computers, as well as custom electronics
> applications, are the Inpac chassis cases, for custom
> engineered, 19" rackmountable custom electronics.
For most things, racks are obsolete because equipment size is a lot
smaller these days. I do have an old rack I picked up surplus for $15.
It has four computers in it at present.
> The following is a website that has good information on speech
> synthesis;
> 5.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/speech_synthesis
Why is speech synthesis important for proof of your concept work?
You are only concerned with the essentials.
What, exactly, are you trying to do? What is the concept? What
makes the concept marketable, or how does the concept make YOU
marketable? (aka a resume project)
The first and most important part of any endeavor, is to define
clear goals for that endeavor. They may be "to see what is there", but
they need to be as clear as can be in terms of what you are looking for
and where you are looking. Then one mulls it over, does a lot of
library research, etc. before tossing the first dollar on the table.
There was one guy who published fascinating articles about gravity
waves using resonance changes in flat capacitors as his means of
measuring gravity waves. Cheap science!
There are other guys doing gravity wave and earth quake research
using feedback loops levitating magnets to cut light beams. They use hand
built equipment you can easily and cheaply make.
Several people have built atomic force microscopes using Lego
blocks to create the housing.
Other books show how you can make a scanning electron microscope
yourself from TV parts (and a lot of other stuff.)
I know one prof who built his own cyclotron at home from surplus
parts while in high school. He said he was damned lucky he couldn't get
the oscillator driver to work, because in college, he learned that he had
the wrong bricks. He would have killed himself, his parents, and maybe
his neighbors. And I read about another guy who did harm himself with
nuclear experiments gone wrong. I forget how they picked him up, but
they found him before it got out of hand. I know another guy, a bright
guy, who was working on a different angle on nuclear fusion in his
basement. I kind of lost track of him... I think he had to dig a deep
sub-basement in his basement for the shielding.
Building a more general workshop is a little different... but one
still needs to see how one can structure the endeavors so as to minimize
and sequentialize the need for expensive equipment.
The thing is the concept, not how you can impress others. If you
just want to impress others, a lot can be done with cardboard, plastic,
dry ice, and computer controlled lighting.
One good friend of mine is a genius. He and his genius wife have
two houses and a third basement full of equipment, NBS calibration
traceable equipment, all beat up pennies-for-the-dollar surplus. Much
is out-of-case, wires-hanging-out stuff tossed together, sometimes parly
cannibalized and re-targeted for other purposes. He is a consultant and
the engineering design department for several companies. He makes money
using that equipment for proof of concept, for getting data points on
the graph, for many things. He has some equipment racks, including
some we bought together when we were in college; but most of the stuff
is on shelves, easily moved around as the need arises.
He's the guy who bought a beat up old army tank to use as a
bulldozer/tractor to clear up the back yard. It was cheap!
http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/newyear.html
> I hope to do recordings of whistlers, the dawn
> chorus, and hope also, to be able to do graveyard
> experiments too, in the future, as well, even though
> graveyard experiments are on the edge of fringe
> science, so so-called E.V.P. (electronic voice
> phenomena,) is more than likely only pseudoscience,
> but it never hurts, persay, to experiment.
> 11.) http://www.northcountryradio.com
How does voice synthesis tie in with this? Are you hoping to let
unknown phenomenon learn, or re-learn to talk?
> The following website includes the book; Lucifer's
> Children, The Kingdomless Kings Of The New
> World Order.
> A book that links the New Age Movement to the
> New World Order, the Federal Reserve, the
> International Banking System, and the United
> Nations, etc.;
> 19.) http://www.armageddonbooks.com/newworld.html
So what!
If you believe conspiracies run the world, then what is the value
of your own effort?
If you do not believe conspiracies run the world, how can you best
improve your current situation?
If you have enough cash to enjoy experimentation, that's a
different story.
Or do you just want to look like a mad scientist?
Looking like a mad scientist is the cheapest thing you can do. It does
not make any money, except maybe at county fairs and other showplaces,
but it's cheap.
But if you want to impress other scientists, it's the concepts you
have to spend time on. That is what impresses!
Most scientists are use to working with heavy budgetary
constraints, like the genius at http://www.unquantum.com/ , another mad
scientist whom I know personally. He's a REAL mad scientist in that
he's trying to explain where quantum physics has gone wrong. His
results are contrary to quantum theory. If he wins, if he can convince
others of the validity of his results, he'll undoubtedly get a Nobel
Prize for his work! THAT is REAL Mad Science!
A lot of mainstream science was once mad science. That's the proof
of the value of mad science. As Isaac Asimov wrote: "Man's greatest
asset is the unsettled mind."
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 5 14:38:02 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Mar 5 15:38:14 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A list of weblinks.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050305223802.48318.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> I have an idea, that could possibly
> be considered; Crude A.I.; and
> that would be, the voltage control
> of a Theremin, using a Tesla Coil,
> and possibly, the vice versa of
> that.
> Using a Tesla Coil to modulate a
> Theremin synthesizer, and
> possibly the reverse of that, as
> well, perhaps both, doing their
> functions simultaneously, to
> effect one another, intelligently?
> In other words: Chaos controlling
> synthesis, and synthesis
> controlling chaos.
Hmm... interesting. But... well, hmmm... I think you want more
like slower fractal patterns feeding the theremin. that you won't get
from the Tesla coil. In fact, the tesla coil will upset the theremin
big time.
YEAH, I DID CONSIDER 60 CYCLE A.C. INTERFERENCE
AS BEING A MAJOR FACTOR INVOLVED, AND I HAVE
ALSO CONSIDERED THE USING OF A VAN DE GRAAF
GENERATOR AS A CONTROL VOLTAGE FOR THE
THEREMIN, INSTEAD.
ALSO, THE DISTANCING OF THE TESLA COIL, OR THE
VAN DE GRAAF GENERATOR FROM THE THEREMIN,
WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT, SINCE ONE WOULDN'T
WANT TO FRY THE THEREMIN CIRCUITRY.
> I feel like I am on the verge of
> brain death right now, because
I knoooo the feeling!
> I need to go by a fabric store,
> or a hobby store, tomorrow,
> to buy several of the knitting
> hoops that you mentioned
> that you used, for your
> Helmholtz field generator.
> I intend to construct a
> Helmholtz field generator,
> as the one that you have
> described to me.
I WENT TO HOBBY LOBBY, AND PURCHASED FOUR OF
THE KNITTERS HOOPS, (WOODEN,) AND I ACTUALLY
THINK I AM JUST GOING TO USE THEM AS A REFERENCE
ONLY;
I THINK I WILL CONSULT MY THOMAS REGISTER SET, AND
CALL ONE OF THE BUSINESSES LISTED UNDER: COILS,
AND FIND OUT IF I CAN GET QUALITY AMERICAN GRADE
PLASTIC FORMERS OF EQUIVALENT SIZE TO THE
SIZE OF THE KNITTERS HOOPS;
REGARDING THE COIL FORMERS; I WOULD WANT THE
FORMERS TO HAVE 90 DEGREE EDGES TO THEM, SO AS
TO PREVENT THE COILED WIRE FROM SLIPPING FROM THE
EDGES, LIKE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE KNITTING
HOOPS, IF I WIND COILS ONTO THEM.
I AM SORRY, BUT I HAVE NOT ONLY BECOME A STICKLER
FOR PERFECTION, BUT I HAVE ALSO BECOME A STICKLER
FOR QUALITY AS WELL.
CLYDE.
Keep us posted.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Mar 5 17:58:41 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A list of weblinks.
In-Reply-To: <20050305223802.48318.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 05, 2005 02:38:02 PM
Message-ID: <20050306005838.96016.qmail@mall-net.com>
> YEAH, I DID CONSIDER 60 CYCLE A.C. INTERFERENCE
>
> I THINK I WILL CONSULT MY THOMAS REGISTER SET, AND
> CALL ONE OF THE BUSINESSES LISTED UNDER: COILS,
> AND FIND OUT IF I CAN GET QUALITY AMERICAN GRADE
> PLASTIC FORMERS OF EQUIVALENT SIZE TO THE
> SIZE OF THE KNITTERS HOOPS;
You could have the coils made by now. The white glue would hold
the wires in place.
> I AM SORRY, BUT I HAVE NOT ONLY BECOME A STICKLER
> FOR PERFECTION, BUT I HAVE ALSO BECOME A STICKLER
> FOR QUALITY AS WELL.
There's quality, and quality. When you are trying to prove a
concept, elaborate off-requirements quality is just a waste of money
which keeps you from doing more things. I learned this by age 16,
experimenting with a lot of stuff. Some equipment was worth paying a
lot for, like the sensitive low-scan-rate bio-instrumentation
oscilloscope we spent a fortune for. Other things we made of cardboard
and cheap plastic.
Same for the photographic stuff -- expensive camera, cardboard
toilet paper tubes for the extension tubes to get a series of images,
just to see about technique and limitations of equipment. THEN, after
proof of concept and usability... then I did some research and we bought
good quality extension tubes, lens reverser, bellows, etc. We knew what
we could use and what we could do with it.
You have no idea how long you will be using this Helmholtz rig, or
even if it will have any effect on you; so cheap and adequate is more
reasonable. Plus the fact that wood is easy to glue so as to make a
form. I don't know how you will glue plastic spools together to make
that coil rig.
When you are trying to make things for long term production use,
quality is important.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 5 17:30:15 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Mar 5 18:30:27 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A list of weblinks.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050306013015.82032.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> YEAH, I DID CONSIDER 60 CYCLE A.C. INTERFERENCE
>
> I THINK I WILL CONSULT MY THOMAS REGISTER SET, AND
> CALL ONE OF THE BUSINESSES LISTED UNDER: COILS,
> AND FIND OUT IF I CAN GET QUALITY AMERICAN GRADE
> PLASTIC FORMERS OF EQUIVALENT SIZE TO THE
> SIZE OF THE KNITTERS HOOPS;
You could have the coils made by now. The white glue would hold
the wires in place.
> I AM SORRY, BUT I HAVE NOT ONLY BECOME A STICKLER
> FOR PERFECTION, BUT I HAVE ALSO BECOME A STICKLER
> FOR QUALITY AS WELL.
There's quality, and quality. When you are trying to prove a
concept, elaborate off-requirements quality is just a waste of money
which keeps you from doing more things. I learned this by age 16,
experimenting with a lot of stuff. Some equipment was worth paying a
lot for, like the sensitive low-scan-rate bio-instrumentation
oscilloscope we spent a fortune for. Other things we made of cardboard
and cheap plastic.
Same for the photographic stuff -- expensive camera, cardboard
toilet paper tubes for the extension tubes to get a series of images,
just to see about technique and limitations of equipment. THEN, after
proof of concept and usability... then I did some research and we bought
good quality extension tubes, lens reverser, bellows, etc. We knew what
we could use and what we could do with it.
You have no idea how long you will be using this Helmholtz rig, or
even if it will have any effect on you; so cheap and adequate is more
reasonable. Plus the fact that wood is easy to glue so as to make a
form. I don't know how you will glue plastic spools together to make
that coil rig.
When you are trying to make things for long term production use,
quality is important.
Quality is not an important thing, evidently, to all of the politicians, in
relation to the AMERICAN IDIOT consumers, when it comes to
all of the endless Chinese engineered, Chinese consumer crap,
shoddy shit, imported from Communist crap China.
Damn, it makes me so f----ng angry.
Clyde.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Mar 5 20:05:15 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A list of weblinks.
In-Reply-To: <20050306013015.82032.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 05, 2005 05:30:15 PM
Message-ID: <20050306030513.51898.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Quality is not an important thing, evidently, to all of the politicians, in
> relation to the AMERICAN IDIOT consumers, when it comes to
> all of the endless Chinese engineered, Chinese consumer crap,
> shoddy shit, imported from Communist crap China.
The price difference between functional adequacy to functional
perfection is a factor of two to five. The price difference between
functional perfection and cosmetic perfection another two to five.
Perfection is a very nice excuse for not getting anything done.
Its like having beautifully polished 4x4 SUV, and never daring to try to
explore the dirt roads. Those mountain dirt roads, one of which I live
on, are mostly traveled by mud caked beaten up old 4x4 pickup trucks.
These are the folks who get to see the scenery, not the folks driving
around on the perfectly flat highways.
It's something my first biology professor - mentor taught me.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 5 19:28:04 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Mar 5 20:28:12 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A list of weblinks.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050306032804.6822.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
Well, I will go ahead and wind the coil on the knitters
hoops, but it doesn't make me proud to be an
American, for the fact that the hoops themselves are
made in China.
I have to do the best with what I've got, I know.
And yes, money is a mandamned, and goddamned
neverending nonsensical issue in my life.
I hate time, and money.
They are both, control 'mechanisms', and I f----ng
hate them.
They give me severe stress.
I need to reduce my stress, badly, A.S.A.P.
Clyde.
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> Quality is not an important thing, evidently, to all of the politicians, in
> relation to the AMERICAN IDIOT consumers, when it comes to
> all of the endless Chinese engineered, Chinese consumer crap,
> shoddy shit, imported from Communist crap China.
The price difference between functional adequacy to functional
perfection is a factor of two to five. The price difference between
functional perfection and cosmetic perfection another two to five.
Perfection is a very nice excuse for not getting anything done.
Its like having beautifully polished 4x4 SUV, and never daring to try to
explore the dirt roads. Those mountain dirt roads, one of which I live
on, are mostly traveled by mud caked beaten up old 4x4 pickup trucks.
These are the folks who get to see the scenery, not the folks driving
around on the perfectly flat highways.
It's something my first biology professor - mentor taught me.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Mar 6 04:40:17 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Mar 5 21:40:20 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A list of weblinks.
In-Reply-To: <20050306032804.6822.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 05, 2005 07:28:04 PM
Message-ID: <20050306044017.85397.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Well, I will go ahead and wind the coil on the knitters
> hoops, but it doesn't make me proud to be an
> American, for the fact that the hoops themselves are
> made in China.
Yes, but would you like to make hoops for $0.75 per day? (Ok, with
inflation it's probably $1.25 per day.)
> I have to do the best with what I've got, I know.
> And yes, money is a mandamned, and goddamned
> neverending nonsensical issue in my life.
> I hate time, and money.
> They are both, control 'mechanisms', and I f----ng
> hate them.
> They give me severe stress.
> I need to reduce my stress, badly, A.S.A.P.
It is all the way you look at things. Easy to say, hard to do, I
know. I too, am very frustrated by where I am and how I have to deal
with a bunch of drunken morons in order to get water, etc.
(Isn't it fitting for this mad scientist to have drunken moron
Igors in this mountain lab? Maybe it's a good thing they seldom show up
nearly as often as they promise.)
If you avoid things, they follow you. If you seek them, they run
in fear. That seems to apply not only to the bobcats and mountain lions
up here, but also to problems. Whenever I charge into a problem, really
trying to understand the nature of it, it seems to give up, roll over,
and let me solve it. Not always... but most of the time.
I think a lighter view of life might bring you more... Life. You
need to laugh at yourself. the saying is true. "Cry, and you cry alone.
Laugh, and the whole world laughs with you."
And when you laugh at yourself, you quickly pick yourself up, and
get on with getting it done.
Try laughing. Yes, it will be dry and fake the first few times.
But in the longer run, it will help you heal and grow.
I should be crying now. I just lost a $60,000+ client over some
silly screw-ups by my Igors. (They didn't deliver water in a timely
manner, etc. precipitating a cascade of problems.) But if I cried, it
would not be worth living. Instead, I see that relying on drunken
skunken Igors is not a good idea. Well, I knew that. But the problem
is having to live somewhere. And paying for it. So yes, I too am
pressed by finances. I too, know the problem common to many
experimenters, scientists, and especially mad scientists who can only
afford moronic drunken Igors, instead of quality German Scientists.
How we treat the setbacks of life _IS_ the Art of Life. It is
laughter which makes life worth living. That, and curiosity.
-J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Mar 6 19:33:19 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun Mar 6 20:33:38 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] 60 cycle interference with the 7.83 cycle
brainwave entrainment.
Message-ID: <20050307033319.21091.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
I cannot afford complex, and expensive test
and measurement equipment.
I worry that the 60 cycle A.C., from the
surrounding equipment, will cause drastic
60 cycle inductive interference.
What do you know about this?
Do you think that the surrounding 60 Hz.
A.C. energy should be a big worry for me?
I am already addicted to 60 cycles per
second, as I found out yesterday, when I
did some acoustic testing on myself, at
around 60 Hz.
I am afraid that the 60 cycles per second
will have negative effects.
What do you know about this?
Clyde
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From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Mar 7 06:40:35 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Mar 6 23:40:48 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] 60 cycle interference with the 7.83 cycle
In-Reply-To: <20050307033319.21091.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 06, 2005 07:33:19 PM
Message-ID: <20050307064035.79357.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I cannot afford complex, and expensive test
> and measurement equipment.
> I worry that the 60 cycle A.C., from the
> surrounding equipment, will cause drastic
> 60 cycle inductive interference.
> What do you know about this?
1. You can use an oscilloscope to look at the wave form.
2. You can hook a speaker up and listen for the 60hz hum.
I remember the tale of my father doing some high tech work on some
contract in a Very Expensive RF anechoic chamber. Everything copper
shielded, copper cones etc. Yet he kept getting some strange variable
interference. Finally, he had the chamber owners get a speaker and put
it on the amplifier. It was a local radio station. The chamber was
leaking RF, not his device. Sometimes the lowest tech is the best test
instrument. It just depends.
> Do you think that the surrounding 60 Hz.
> A.C. energy should be a big worry for me?
Probably not unless you amplify it or are next to a power line.
> I am already addicted to 60 cycles per
> second, as I found out yesterday, when I
> did some acoustic testing on myself, at
> around 60 Hz.
Can you describe this a little more?
> I am afraid that the 60 cycles per second
> will have negative effects.
> What do you know about this?
Yes it can. The question is how much are you exposed to? Do you
have high tension lines (not just street pole lines) above your home? I
twice reported for interviews in places next to high tension lines. I
found some kind of inductive drag on my thought processes, so declined
the contracts. Yes, I could have made a mu metal hat and all that and
made several tens of thousands of dollars working there a few months;
but I figured it it was harming my brain, it was probably doing a number
on the rest of me as well, and it wasn't enough to buy a replacement
body. (Never mind not having the technology to do the actual
replacement.)
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Mar 7 09:39:12 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Mar 7 10:39:55 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] 60 cycle interference with the 7.83 cycle
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050307173912.63219.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> I cannot afford complex, and expensive test
> and measurement equipment.
> I worry that the 60 cycle A.C., from the
> surrounding equipment, will cause drastic
> 60 cycle inductive interference.
> What do you know about this?
1. You can use an oscilloscope to look at the wave form.
2. You can hook a speaker up and listen for the 60hz hum.
I remember the tale of my father doing some high tech work on some
contract in a Very Expensive RF anechoic chamber. Everything copper
shielded, copper cones etc. Yet he kept getting some strange variable
interference. Finally, he had the chamber owners get a speaker and put
it on the amplifier. It was a local radio station. The chamber was
leaking RF, not his device. Sometimes the lowest tech is the best test
instrument. It just depends.
> Do you think that the surrounding 60 Hz.
> A.C. energy should be a big worry for me?
Probably not unless you amplify it or are next to a power line.
> I am already addicted to 60 cycles per
> second, as I found out yesterday, when I
> did some acoustic testing on myself, at
> around 60 Hz.
Can you describe this a little more?
I SLEEP IN THE SAME ROOM, AS MY CONTINUOUSLY
POWERED STUDIO EQUIPMENT, AND COULD SENSE
A MAJOR DIFFERENCE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED
OPERATING MY AUDIO GENERATOR, AND I AM CURRENTLY
SUFFERING FROM BOTH NEUROLOGY, AND CARDIOLOGY
PROBLEMS, SINCE I AM NOT SEEING EYE TO EYE WITH MY
DOCTOR, AND HAVE DISCONTINUED TAKING CLONAZEPAM.
I AM CURRENTLY HAVING TO FALL BACK ON ZYPREXA,
AND LAVENDAR TEA.
LAVENDAR TEA IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THAT IS
HELPING ME AT THE MOMENT.
IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED THE AUDIO
GENERATOR, I EXPERIENCED DRASTIC PANIC ATTACKS;
MY BLOOD PRESSURE GOING TO THE EXTREMES OF
LOW PRESSURE, AND HIGH PRESSURE; NUMBNESS
IN MY LEFT ARM, GOING TO ACHING PAIN.
THREE WEEKS AGO, I DID A BREATHING EXERCISE.
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BREATHING EXERCISE, MY
ENTIRE NEUROLOGY WAS ELECTRIFIED WITH HIGH
VOLTAGE, AND IT DID NOT FEEL GOOD AT ALL.
> I am afraid that the 60 cycles per second
> will have negative effects.
> What do you know about this?
Yes it can. The question is how much are you exposed to? Do you
have high tension lines (not just street pole lines) above your home? I
twice reported for interviews in places next to high tension lines. I
found some kind of inductive drag on my thought processes, so declined
the contracts. Yes, I could have made a mu metal hat and all that and
made several tens of thousands of dollars working there a few months;
but I figured it it was harming my brain, it was probably doing a number
on the rest of me as well, and it wasn't enough to buy a replacement
body. (Never mind not having the technology to do the actual
replacement.)
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Mar 7 10:45:16 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] 60 Hz., hurts.
Message-ID: <20050307174501.30846.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
60 Hz., hurts.
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Mar 7 17:43:09 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Mar 7 18:43:18 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] 60 cycle interference with the 7.83 cycle
In-Reply-To: <20050308013940.61909.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050308014309.8366.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
Are you there?
Did you get this response, earlier?
clyde lofton wrote:
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> I cannot afford complex, and expensive test
> and measurement equipment.
> I worry that the 60 cycle A.C., from the
> surrounding equipment, will cause drastic
> 60 cycle inductive interference.
> What do you know about this?
1. You can use an oscilloscope to look at the wave form.
2. You can hook a speaker up and listen for the 60hz hum.
I remember the tale of my father doing some high tech work on some
contract in a Very Expensive RF anechoic chamber. Everything copper
shielded, copper cones etc. Yet he kept getting some strange variable
interference. Finally, he had the chamber owners get a speaker and put
it on the amplifier. It was a local radio station. The chamber was
leaking RF, not his device. Sometimes the lowest tech is the best test
instrument. It just depends.
> Do you think that the surrounding 60 Hz.
> A.C. energy should be a big worry for me?
Probably not unless you amplify it or are next to a power line.
> I am already addicted to 60 cycles per
> second, as I found out yesterday, when I
> did some acoustic testing on myself, at
> around 60 Hz.
Can you describe this a little more?
I SLEEP IN THE SAME ROOM, AS MY CONTINUOUSLY
POWERED STUDIO EQUIPMENT, AND COULD SENSE
A MAJOR DIFFERENCE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED
OPERATING MY AUDIO GENERATOR, AND I AM CURRENTLY
SUFFERING FROM BOTH NEUROLOGY, AND CARDIOLOGY
PROBLEMS, SINCE I AM NOT SEEING EYE TO EYE WITH MY
DOCTOR, AND HAVE DISCONTINUED TAKING CLONAZEPAM.
I AM CURRENTLY HAVING TO FALL BACK ON ZYPREXA,
AND LAVENDAR TEA.
LAVENDAR TEA IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THAT IS
HELPING ME AT THE MOMENT.
IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED THE AUDIO
GENERATOR, I EXPERIENCED DRASTIC PANIC ATTACKS;
MY BLOOD PRESSURE GOING TO THE EXTREMES OF
LOW PRESSURE, AND HIGH PRESSURE; NUMBNESS
IN MY LEFT ARM, GOING TO ACHING PAIN.
THREE WEEKS AGO, I DID A BREATHING EXERCISE.
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BREATHING EXERCISE, MY
ENTIRE NEUROLOGY WAS ELECTRIFIED WITH HIGH
VOLTAGE, AND IT DID NOT FEEL GOOD AT ALL.
> I am afraid that the 60 cycles per second
> will have negative effects.
> What do you know about this?
Yes it can. The question is how much are you exposed to? Do you
have high tension lines (not just street pole lines) above your home? I
twice reported for interviews in places next to high tension lines. I
found some kind of inductive drag on my thought processes, so declined
the contracts. Yes, I could have made a mu metal hat and all that and
made several tens of thousands of dollars working there a few months;
but I figured it it was harming my brain, it was probably doing a number
on the rest of me as well, and it wasn't enough to buy a replacement
body. (Never mind not having the technology to do the actual
replacement.)
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Mar 8 01:21:48 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] 60 cycle interference with the 7.83 cycle
In-Reply-To: <20050308014309.8366.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 07, 2005 05:43:09 PM
Message-ID: <20050308082142.36672.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Can you describe this a little more?
>
>
> I SLEEP IN THE SAME ROOM, AS MY CONTINUOUSLY
>
> POWERED STUDIO EQUIPMENT, AND COULD SENSE
> > A MAJOR DIFFERENCE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED
> > OPERATING MY AUDIO GENERATOR, AND I AM CURRENTLY
> > SUFFERING FROM BOTH NEUROLOGY, AND CARDIOLOGY
> > PROBLEMS, SINCE I AM NOT SEEING EYE TO EYE WITH MY
> > DOCTOR, AND HAVE DISCONTINUED TAKING CLONAZEPAM.
> I AM CURRENTLY HAVING TO FALL BACK ON ZYPREXA,
Seizure and depression medicine. Well, if you have possible
seizure problems, I'd really be careful on the magnetics business. Ive
read that the higher frequencies of any stimulation, which would likely
include magnetic, can trigger seizures.
Remember, you are doing this on your own. There is risk involved,
much more so when dealing with a brain that does not have a stable
resonance pattern. It's kind of like learning brain surgery on
yourself. Then again, desperation is desperation.
I am not a doctor. I dont' even play one on TV.
> AND LAVENDAR TEA.
>
> LAVENDAR TEA IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THAT IS
> HELPING ME AT THE MOMENT.
>
> IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED THE AUDIO
> GENERATOR, I EXPERIENCED DRASTIC PANIC ATTACKS;
> MY BLOOD PRESSURE GOING TO THE EXTREMES OF
> LOW PRESSURE, AND HIGH PRESSURE; NUMBNESS
> IN MY LEFT ARM, GOING TO ACHING PAIN.
>
> THREE WEEKS AGO, I DID A BREATHING EXERCISE.
> IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BREATHING EXERCISE, MY
> ENTIRE NEUROLOGY WAS ELECTRIFIED WITH HIGH
> VOLTAGE, AND IT DID NOT FEEL GOOD AT ALL.
Breathing can do several interesting things. One of these is upset
blood pH balance. That's one of the health problems I have. Breathing
too much tends to make the blood alkaline. So does low body
temperature. You should try taking your temperature several times a day
to see what is up.
Has anyone done any checking on your blood oxygen levels using a
pulse oxymiter?
Were you exposed to carbon monoxide poisoning before you started
having to take medications?
do you have cracks in the corners of your mouth? Any white bumps
in your mouth? And spontaneous bruising or spontaneous yellow splotches
forming on your skin?
When I was really sick, I was monitoring urine pH every time,
watching the effects of different foods on my energy levels, etc.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 8 08:28:47 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 8 09:28:56 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I don't feel good at all, right now.
Message-ID: <20050308162847.95511.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
I don't feel very good at all right now, and
my mom is a closed minded registered
nurse that knows nothing about doctor
science.
My neurology is shaky, and my blood
pressure is out of control, going from one
extreme to the other; low pressure, to
high pressure; numbness, to aching pain
in various places, like my arms.
I was taking clonazepam, and I am no
longer taking it.
My doctor is a jerk, and I am not seeing
eye to eye with him.
He has discontinued my prescription on
clonazepam.
I have taken the stance of telling my
doctor to forget the damned drug, and he
said that he will not prescribe it for me,
and so I am presently having to suffer
for it.
I feel like my heart wants to explode,
and stop too, I feel like I need oxygen,
but I am being denied it.
I need help, immediately, but I cannot
afford the emergency room; I cannot
afford $1,000 for the emergency room.
I don't think that I can even afford to go
and see my primary care physician
this month.
I need some help, immediately.
My heart is feeling very weak, right
now.
Would Niacin do me any good, right
now, that you know of?
Thanks, Clyde Lofton
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Mar 8 13:38:21 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I don't feel good at all, right now.
In-Reply-To: <20050308162847.95511.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 08, 2005 08:28:47 AM
Message-ID: <20050308203814.94427.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I don't feel very good at all right now, and
> my mom is a closed minded registered
> nurse that knows nothing about doctor
> science.
Most doctors know nothing about science either. It's all done by
the book.
I have some serious health problems. I've seen some of this
"cookbook medicine" first hand with my health problems, and with the
health problems of personal friends, as well as other people whom I know
from various medical problem related mailing lists. Cookbook medicine
only works for cookbook illnesses. If you have something that's not
common, cookbook medicine will only screw you over.
From your description, you need a good neuro doctor. They are hard
to find, because most just go through the book, trying one thing after
another. I am on another list, one of people with immune disorders.
Some of those people have been through a dozen doctors before finding
one who has a clue.
> My neurology is shaky, and my blood
> pressure is out of control, going from one
> extreme to the other; low pressure, to
> high pressure; numbness, to aching pain
> in various places, like my arms.
Immune problems can cause much pain. usually, that pain involves
the load bearing joints, such as the ankles and knees. Vitamin C tends
to help this, but it is really important to find the cause of the
allergy and eliminate it.
Another common problem we see, is soft muscle pain, almost bone
pain. This may we with or without "pressure points", spots, such as two
behind the knee, which cause pain when pressed. This is fibromyalgia, a
variation of chronic fatigue syndrome. Fibro tends to respond to malic
acid plus vitamin C.
The third major thing we see, is Porphyria. There are many
variations. In several of the variations, if you put a cup of your urine
in the sun for half a day, it will change color, often to wine color,
but some report green. This is not an exclusive test; but if you do have
the colored urine, it is characteristic of porphyria. Porphyria can
cause all kinds of neurological and skin problems, light sensitivity,
etc. Vitamin C, although the chemistry suggests it may help over the
long run, may or may not be able to do much in the short run.
One thing which is common in porphyria, is the problem of not
enough salts in the blood. Magnesium and sodium are very important, and
their loss, common before an attack, result in neurological and gastric
problems. Low magnesium levels will cause the gut to stall, with the
patient regurgitating a little of this meal hours later. (Plus the
usual constipation.)
> I was taking clonazepam, and I am no
> longer taking it.
It is often given for depression, but may be given for seizures.
Depression is a catch-all diagnosis.
> My doctor is a jerk, and I am not seeing
> eye to eye with him.
Most doctors only know how to treat the most common problems, and
prefer to believe everything else is "in your head", "depression", etc.
I am not sure why, but it may be that they don't want to admit how
fragile their own bodies are. After all, the first thing most medical
students experience from reading about disease, is the mistaken belief
that they are suffering from what they are reading about. To overcome
that, they must deny some part of themselves and deny that mild symptoms
can be an indicator of real disease. Later, they begin to think other
people's symptoms are inconsequential.
> I feel like my heart wants to explode,
> and stop too, I feel like I need oxygen,
> but I am being denied it.
Some kinds of infections can cause this feeling, as can allergies
to...
You know, I felt this a couple of times myself. it was the old
books in the library which triggered this. I have what is called
"Librarian's Lung", a sensitization of lung tissue to mold. Two or
three breaths in a library, and I am struggling to get enough oxygen. I
started getting this when I was doing research at Stanford. I use to
spend a lot of time in libraries. I can't even enter one anymore.
Old books and mold can cause this problem. You should look to see
if you have too many books, especially older books, in your room. Also
look for dampness, mildew, and mold. And dust under your bed and inside
your box-springs.
> I need help, immediately, but I cannot
> afford the emergency room; I cannot
> afford $1,000 for the emergency room.
> I don't think that I can even afford to go
> and see my primary care physician
> this month.
> I need some help, immediately.
> My heart is feeling very weak, right
> now.
> Would Niacin do me any good, right
> now, that you know of?
Mind you, I am NOT A DOCTOR! I can not advise you on medical care.
I can only relate what I have experienced myself.
I don't think Niacin would help, as it is a histamine releaser,
rather than an anti-histamine, which might be more appropriate.
I usually start taking a fair amount of vitamin C when I experience
allergy symptoms. Fast heart beat and breathing problems are often the
early stages of anaphylactic shock. That requires IMMEDIATE medical
attention as it can easily be fatal.
Now, the chemistry of anaphylactic shock is rather interesting.
Dopamine, generated by the chromaffin cells in the body and the
Substancia Nigra in the brain, is converted to adrenaline (epinephrine)
with vitamin C. If one runs low on vitamin C, one goes toward
anaphylactic shock. If one runs low on Dopamine or tyrosine, one goes
toward a Parkinson's like collapse. But, if one has too much tyrosine,
it can be converted to phenylalanine, which makes some people nervous
as hell! The addition of iodine, I have found, moves that toward the
thyroid metabolism, which can induce a nirvana-like state. (I find
nirvana mentally paralyzing... but being an engineer at heart, I have
some issues with the Dalai Lama's philosophy.)
There is also a state I have heard of known as a Thyroid Storm.
This is characterized by too much thyroid hormone causing fast heart
beat, nervousness, a hot body, the need for activity, etc.
And I have found that if you use ear plugs too often, some kinds of
fungus may start growing in the ears and causing really odd neurological
problems. I loved those foam ear plugs! When we got rid of the fungus
in my ears, I no longer had "heavy muscle spasms" whenever my blood
pressure fell.
Which of these things you are experiencing, I am not sure and not
authorized to diagnose. But it seems that you need competent medical
care; and like competent plumbers, that's hard to find.
Most of what I know falls into the alternative medicine arena, and
I am tempted to say most, or at least a lot of that is fraud too! Not
quite true, for there are a lot of good things; but when the
practitioner is not well educated in general medicine, and most of them
are not, one is quite apt to end up with inappropriate treatments.
Most doctors, especially specialists, do what they do. If you
present yourself to them, they will do what they usually do, whether or
not it may be appropriate to you. Go to a liver specialist, and he will
look at your liver, not at why your hair is falling out. he will
COMPLETELY IGNORE other symptoms which may be vital to proper diagnosis!
Few doctors will send you away unless it is rather clear that the
symptoms do not match their specialty, and then there is a very high
percentage of referrals to psychiatric practitioners, who often treat
things as "depression" when it may be that other PHYSIOLOGICAL diseases
are sapping your mental energy, forcing you to burn adrenaline to make
up for the lack of metabolic energy, etc.
Then if you end up with adrenal exhaustion, or very specific
nutritional shortfalls, you may end up "porposing" up and down like an
airplane with an inadequate engine. When you get enough of some limited
nutrient, you start pulling out till it runs out, then you nose over
again.
From what you have said, my advice to you is to start monitoring
your body temperature several times a day to see if it is high, or low.
If high, that could by one set of problems, including acute infections
and acute allergies. If low, it could be another set of problems
including chronic allergies and chronic infections, and/or low
metabolism thyroid problems. It at least divides the issues so you can
more intelligently discuss them with a COMPETENT doctor, or identify
some doctors as NOT competent to handle your case.
The second piece of advice, is to keep a diary, known as a Foods,
Feelings, and Faculties diary, where you write down what you ate at
every meal and every snack, and how you feel. You may wish to develop
some simple tests, such as difficult finger tapping patterns, mental
gymnastics of counting down by some number, or other tests of your
physical and mental faculties. The goal is to find out if unrecognized
food allergies or other exposures are triggering some of your problems.
This is not so much medical advice, as how to approach medical
problems so that you and your doctor can do a better job of managing
your situation. And if your doctor poo-poos your records FIRE THE
IDIOT!!! Because if that's how he treats potentially important
diagnostic information, that's what he is - an idiot!
Health is really up to you. No one else can watch you, can see what
correlates to episodes of problems. You have to take your health in your
own hands and treat it as the top priority. Because if you are not
healthy, if your brain is not working really well, you just can't expect
to do any good science, mad or not.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From samuelmorris at charter.net Wed Mar 9 01:17:13 2005
From: samuelmorris at charter.net (samuelmorris@charter.net)
Date: Tue Mar 8 18:17:23 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 5, Issue 14
Message-ID: <3rr89i$p6b2qg@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>
acutally I was doing some digging and found that certain organisms can get
used to particular enviromental conditions and suffer if they are altered or
removed.. things you wouldn't even thing are important. If you are having
problems you may want to go and sleep in your sound room again.. or adjust
the frequency or out put of your equipment to see if it can have an adverse or
positive effect on you.. I have been on alot of chemicals.. most doctor
proscribed but your body should be able to create or rather exstract all the
chemicals you need to be healthy so unless you have a deficiency in that
department I would just change my diet and lay off as many out side sources
of influence as I could... as it is in nature hungry birds don't eat strange fruit
:P
>
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> 1. Re: 60 cycle interference with the 7.83 cycle (clyde lofton)
> 2. Re: 60 cycle interference with the 7.83 cycle
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> 3. I don't feel good at all, right now. (clyde lofton)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:43:09 -0800 (PST)
> From: clyde lofton
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] 60 cycle interference with the 7.83
> cycle
> To: mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Javilk,
>
> Are you there?
> Did you get this response, earlier?
>
> clyde lofton wrote:
>
>
> javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > I cannot afford complex, and expensive test
> > and measurement equipment.
> > I worry that the 60 cycle A.C., from the
> > surrounding equipment, will cause drastic
> > 60 cycle inductive interference.
> > What do you know about this?
>
> 1. You can use an oscilloscope to look at the wave form.
> 2. You can hook a speaker up and listen for the 60hz hum.
>
> I remember the tale of my father doing some high tech work on some
> contract in a Very Expensive RF anechoic chamber. Everything copper
> shielded, copper cones etc. Yet he kept getting some strange variable
> interference. Finally, he had the chamber owners get a speaker and put
> it on the amplifier. It was a local radio station. The chamber was
> leaking RF, not his device. Sometimes the lowest tech is the best test
> instrument. It just depends.
>
> > Do you think that the surrounding 60 Hz.
> > A.C. energy should be a big worry for me?
>
> Probably not unless you amplify it or are next to a power line.
>
> > I am already addicted to 60 cycles per
> > second, as I found out yesterday, when I
> > did some acoustic testing on myself, at
> > around 60 Hz.
>
> Can you describe this a little more?
>
>
> I SLEEP IN THE SAME ROOM, AS MY CONTINUOUSLY
>
> POWERED STUDIO EQUIPMENT, AND COULD SENSE
>
> A MAJOR DIFFERENCE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED
>
> OPERATING MY AUDIO GENERATOR, AND I AM CURRENTLY
>
> SUFFERING FROM BOTH NEUROLOGY, AND CARDIOLOGY
>
> PROBLEMS, SINCE I AM NOT SEEING EYE TO EYE WITH MY
>
> DOCTOR, AND HAVE DISCONTINUED TAKING CLONAZEPAM.
>
> I AM CURRENTLY HAVING TO FALL BACK ON ZYPREXA,
>
> AND LAVENDAR TEA.
>
> LAVENDAR TEA IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THAT IS
>
> HELPING ME AT THE MOMENT.
>
> IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED THE AUDIO
>
> GENERATOR, I EXPERIENCED DRASTIC PANIC ATTACKS;
>
> MY BLOOD PRESSURE GOING TO THE EXTREMES OF
>
> LOW PRESSURE, AND HIGH PRESSURE; NUMBNESS
>
> IN MY LEFT ARM, GOING TO ACHING PAIN.
>
> THREE WEEKS AGO, I DID A BREATHING EXERCISE.
>
> IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BREATHING EXERCISE, MY
>
> ENTIRE NEUROLOGY WAS ELECTRIFIED WITH HIGH
>
> VOLTAGE, AND IT DID NOT FEEL GOOD AT ALL.
>
>
> > I am afraid that the 60 cycles per second
> > will have negative effects.
> > What do you know about this?
>
> Yes it can. The question is how much are you exposed to? Do you
> have high tension lines (not just street pole lines) above your home? I
> twice reported for interviews in places next to high tension lines. I
> found some kind of inductive drag on my thought processes, so declined
> the contracts. Yes, I could have made a mu metal hat and all that and
> made several tens of thousands of dollars working there a few months;
> but I figured it it was harming my brain, it was probably doing a number
> on the rest of me as well, and it wasn't enough to buy a replacement
> body. (Never mind not having the technology to do the actual
> replacement.)
>
> -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
> CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
> Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
> My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
> I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
>
> For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
> orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
> Today's Art Photo
> Chem / Fungus allergies
> Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
> Arthritis
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> From: javilk@mall-net.com
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] 60 cycle interference with the 7.83
> cycle
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> > Can you describe this a little more?
> >
> >
> > I SLEEP IN THE SAME ROOM, AS MY CONTINUOUSLY
> >
> > POWERED STUDIO EQUIPMENT, AND COULD SENSE
> > > A MAJOR DIFFERENCE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED
> > > OPERATING MY AUDIO GENERATOR, AND I AM CURRENTLY
> > > SUFFERING FROM BOTH NEUROLOGY, AND CARDIOLOGY
> > > PROBLEMS, SINCE I AM NOT SEEING EYE TO EYE WITH MY
> > > DOCTOR, AND HAVE DISCONTINUED TAKING CLONAZEPAM.
> > I AM CURRENTLY HAVING TO FALL BACK ON ZYPREXA,
>
> Seizure and depression medicine. Well, if you have possible
> seizure problems, I'd really be careful on the magnetics business. Ive
> read that the higher frequencies of any stimulation, which would likely
> include magnetic, can trigger seizures.
>
> Remember, you are doing this on your own. There is risk involved,
> much more so when dealing with a brain that does not have a stable
> resonance pattern. It's kind of like learning brain surgery on
> yourself. Then again, desperation is desperation.
>
> I am not a doctor. I dont' even play one on TV.
>
> > AND LAVENDAR TEA.
> >
> > LAVENDAR TEA IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THAT IS
> > HELPING ME AT THE MOMENT.
> >
> > IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED THE AUDIO
> > GENERATOR, I EXPERIENCED DRASTIC PANIC ATTACKS;
> > MY BLOOD PRESSURE GOING TO THE EXTREMES OF
> > LOW PRESSURE, AND HIGH PRESSURE; NUMBNESS
> > IN MY LEFT ARM, GOING TO ACHING PAIN.
> >
>
> > THREE WEEKS AGO, I DID A BREATHING EXERCISE.
> > IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BREATHING EXERCISE, MY
> > ENTIRE NEUROLOGY WAS ELECTRIFIED WITH HIGH
> > VOLTAGE, AND IT DID NOT FEEL GOOD AT ALL.
>
> Breathing can do several interesting things. One of these is upset
> blood pH balance. That's one of the health problems I have. Breathing
> too much tends to make the blood alkaline. So does low body
> temperature. You should try taking your temperature several times a day
> to see what is up.
>
> Has anyone done any checking on your blood oxygen levels using a
> pulse oxymiter?
>
> Were you exposed to carbon monoxide poisoning before you started
> having to take medications?
>
> do you have cracks in the corners of your mouth? Any white bumps
> in your mouth? And spontaneous bruising or spontaneous yellow splotches
> forming on your skin?
>
> When I was really sick, I was monitoring urine pH every time,
> watching the effects of different foods on my energy levels, etc.
>
> -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
> CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
> Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
> My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
> I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
>
> For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
> orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
> Today's Art Photo
> Chem / Fungus allergies
> Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
> Arthritis
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> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:28:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: clyde lofton
> Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I don't feel good at all, right now.
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> Javilk,
>
> I don't feel very good at all right now, and
> my mom is a closed minded registered
> nurse that knows nothing about doctor
> science.
> My neurology is shaky, and my blood
> pressure is out of control, going from one
> extreme to the other; low pressure, to
> high pressure; numbness, to aching pain
> in various places, like my arms.
> I was taking clonazepam, and I am no
> longer taking it.
> My doctor is a jerk, and I am not seeing
> eye to eye with him.
> He has discontinued my prescription on
> clonazepam.
> I have taken the stance of telling my
> doctor to forget the damned drug, and he
> said that he will not prescribe it for me,
> and so I am presently having to suffer
> for it.
> I feel like my heart wants to explode,
> and stop too, I feel like I need oxygen,
> but I am being denied it.
> I need help, immediately, but I cannot
> afford the emergency room; I cannot
> afford $1,000 for the emergency room.
> I don't think that I can even afford to go
> and see my primary care physician
> this month.
> I need some help, immediately.
> My heart is feeling very weak, right
> now.
> Would Niacin do me any good, right
> now, that you know of?
>
> Thanks, Clyde Lofton
> clydelofton@yahoo.com
>
>
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 8 18:47:45 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 8 19:47:56 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re:
In-Reply-To: <3rr89i$p6b2qg@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <20050309024745.33695.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com>
samuelmorris@charter.net wrote:
acutally I was doing some digging and found that certain organisms can get
used to particular enviromental conditions
I HAVE GROWN SO SICK AND TIRED OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
and suffer if they are altered or
removed.. things you wouldn't even thing are important. If you are having
problems you may want to go and sleep in your sound room again.. or adjust
the frequency or out put of your equipment to see if it can have an adverse or
positive effect on you..
MUSIC HAS BECOME A DRUG TO ME, AND I HAVE NOTICED HOW THE
AMPLITUDE (AKA: VOLUME) EFFECTS ME, FOR EITHER THE POSITIVE,
OR FOR THE NEGATIVE.
I have been on alot of chemicals.. most doctor
proscribed but your body should be able to create or rather exstract all the
chemicals you need to be healthy so unless you have a deficiency in that
department
I NEED AN ABSOLUTION, BECAUSE I AM FED UP WITH BEING TREATED
AS A LAB RAT TO BE EXPERIMENTED ON.
I AM SUPPOSED TO BE THE EXPERIMENTER, NOT MY F-----G ENVIRONMENT;
BUT MY ENVIRONMENT HAS 'COMPLETE' CONTROL OVER ME, AND I WANT
TO HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER MY ENVIRONMENT.
I would just change my diet and lay off as many out side sources
of influence as I could... as it is in nature hungry birds don't eat strange fruit
AN INTERESTING POINT OF VIEW; HUNGRY BIRDS DON'T EAT STRANGE
FRUIT.
THIS MUST APPLY TO HERBS, FROM A HUMAN PERSPECTIVE.
MY BODY NEEDS A REDUCTION IN ADRENALINE, AND MORE OF AN
ABUNDANCE OF OXYGEN, AT THE SAME TIME.
I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE CASE.
I NEED A PERMANENT SEDATIVE; ONE THAT GLUES ITSELF TO THE
NEUROLOGY, AND THAT ISN'T AN ADDICTIVE DRUG.
I NEED TO SLOW WAY WAY WAY DOWN, NEUROLOGICALLY, OR I AM
GOING TO EXPERIENCE THE EARLY DEATH OF MY LIFE, I THINK, IF I
AM NOT CAREFUL.
MY NEUROLOGY IS RESONATING AT TWO DIFFERENT FREQUENCIES
SIMULTANEOUSLY, AND THE TWO DIFFERENT FREQUENCIES ARE
AT A CONSTANT CONFLICTING DISCORD WITH ONE ANOTHER.
MY NEUROLOGY, CARDIOLOGY, AND MY PSYCHOLOGY ARE ALL
THREE SCREWED UP NOW.
I ACCELERATED MY METABOLISM, AND I CANNOT SLOW IT BACK
DOWN NOW.
I WILL EXPLAIN MORE, AFTER I FINISH THIS E-MAIL; I AM GOING TO
RESPOND TO A PAST RESPONSE FROM JAVILK, WHEN I LEAVE OFF
HERE.
CLYDE.
:P
>
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> 1. Re: 60 cycle interference with the 7.83 cycle (clyde lofton)
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> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:43:09 -0800 (PST)
> From: clyde lofton
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] 60 cycle interference with the 7.83
> cycle
> To: mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org
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>
> Javilk,
>
> Are you there?
> Did you get this response, earlier?
>
> clyde lofton wrote:
>
>
> javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > I cannot afford complex, and expensive test
> > and measurement equipment.
> > I worry that the 60 cycle A.C., from the
> > surrounding equipment, will cause drastic
> > 60 cycle inductive interference.
> > What do you know about this?
>
> 1. You can use an oscilloscope to look at the wave form.
> 2. You can hook a speaker up and listen for the 60hz hum.
>
> I remember the tale of my father doing some high tech work on some
> contract in a Very Expensive RF anechoic chamber. Everything copper
> shielded, copper cones etc. Yet he kept getting some strange variable
> interference. Finally, he had the chamber owners get a speaker and put
> it on the amplifier. It was a local radio station. The chamber was
> leaking RF, not his device. Sometimes the lowest tech is the best test
> instrument. It just depends.
>
> > Do you think that the surrounding 60 Hz.
> > A.C. energy should be a big worry for me?
>
> Probably not unless you amplify it or are next to a power line.
>
> > I am already addicted to 60 cycles per
> > second, as I found out yesterday, when I
> > did some acoustic testing on myself, at
> > around 60 Hz.
>
> Can you describe this a little more?
>
>
> I SLEEP IN THE SAME ROOM, AS MY CONTINUOUSLY
>
> POWERED STUDIO EQUIPMENT, AND COULD SENSE
>
> A MAJOR DIFFERENCE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED
>
> OPERATING MY AUDIO GENERATOR, AND I AM CURRENTLY
>
> SUFFERING FROM BOTH NEUROLOGY, AND CARDIOLOGY
>
> PROBLEMS, SINCE I AM NOT SEEING EYE TO EYE WITH MY
>
> DOCTOR, AND HAVE DISCONTINUED TAKING CLONAZEPAM.
>
> I AM CURRENTLY HAVING TO FALL BACK ON ZYPREXA,
>
> AND LAVENDAR TEA.
>
> LAVENDAR TEA IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THAT IS
>
> HELPING ME AT THE MOMENT.
>
> IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED THE AUDIO
>
> GENERATOR, I EXPERIENCED DRASTIC PANIC ATTACKS;
>
> MY BLOOD PRESSURE GOING TO THE EXTREMES OF
>
> LOW PRESSURE, AND HIGH PRESSURE; NUMBNESS
>
> IN MY LEFT ARM, GOING TO ACHING PAIN.
>
> THREE WEEKS AGO, I DID A BREATHING EXERCISE.
>
> IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BREATHING EXERCISE, MY
>
> ENTIRE NEUROLOGY WAS ELECTRIFIED WITH HIGH
>
> VOLTAGE, AND IT DID NOT FEEL GOOD AT ALL.
>
>
> > I am afraid that the 60 cycles per second
> > will have negative effects.
> > What do you know about this?
>
> Yes it can. The question is how much are you exposed to? Do you
> have high tension lines (not just street pole lines) above your home? I
> twice reported for interviews in places next to high tension lines. I
> found some kind of inductive drag on my thought processes, so declined
> the contracts. Yes, I could have made a mu metal hat and all that and
> made several tens of thousands of dollars working there a few months;
> but I figured it it was harming my brain, it was probably doing a number
> on the rest of me as well, and it wasn't enough to buy a replacement
> body. (Never mind not having the technology to do the actual
> replacement.)
>
> -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
> CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
> Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
> My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
> I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
>
> For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
> orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
> Today's Art Photo
> Chem / Fungus allergies
> Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
> Arthritis
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> From: javilk@mall-net.com
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] 60 cycle interference with the 7.83
> cycle
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> > Can you describe this a little more?
> >
> >
> > I SLEEP IN THE SAME ROOM, AS MY CONTINUOUSLY
> >
> > POWERED STUDIO EQUIPMENT, AND COULD SENSE
> > > A MAJOR DIFFERENCE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED
> > > OPERATING MY AUDIO GENERATOR, AND I AM CURRENTLY
> > > SUFFERING FROM BOTH NEUROLOGY, AND CARDIOLOGY
> > > PROBLEMS, SINCE I AM NOT SEEING EYE TO EYE WITH MY
> > > DOCTOR, AND HAVE DISCONTINUED TAKING CLONAZEPAM.
> > I AM CURRENTLY HAVING TO FALL BACK ON ZYPREXA,
>
> Seizure and depression medicine. Well, if you have possible
> seizure problems, I'd really be careful on the magnetics business. Ive
> read that the higher frequencies of any stimulation, which would likely
> include magnetic, can trigger seizures.
>
> Remember, you are doing this on your own. There is risk involved,
> much more so when dealing with a brain that does not have a stable
> resonance pattern. It's kind of like learning brain surgery on
> yourself. Then again, desperation is desperation.
>
> I am not a doctor. I dont' even play one on TV.
>
> > AND LAVENDAR TEA.
> >
> > LAVENDAR TEA IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THAT IS
> > HELPING ME AT THE MOMENT.
> >
> > IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED THE AUDIO
> > GENERATOR, I EXPERIENCED DRASTIC PANIC ATTACKS;
> > MY BLOOD PRESSURE GOING TO THE EXTREMES OF
> > LOW PRESSURE, AND HIGH PRESSURE; NUMBNESS
> > IN MY LEFT ARM, GOING TO ACHING PAIN.
> >
>
> > THREE WEEKS AGO, I DID A BREATHING EXERCISE.
> > IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BREATHING EXERCISE, MY
> > ENTIRE NEUROLOGY WAS ELECTRIFIED WITH HIGH
> > VOLTAGE, AND IT DID NOT FEEL GOOD AT ALL.
>
> Breathing can do several interesting things. One of these is upset
> blood pH balance. That's one of the health problems I have. Breathing
> too much tends to make the blood alkaline. So does low body
> temperature. You should try taking your temperature several times a day
> to see what is up.
>
> Has anyone done any checking on your blood oxygen levels using a
> pulse oxymiter?
>
> Were you exposed to carbon monoxide poisoning before you started
> having to take medications?
>
> do you have cracks in the corners of your mouth? Any white bumps
> in your mouth? And spontaneous bruising or spontaneous yellow splotches
> forming on your skin?
>
> When I was really sick, I was monitoring urine pH every time,
> watching the effects of different foods on my energy levels, etc.
>
> -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
> CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
> Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
> My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
> I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
>
> For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
> orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
> Today's Art Photo A>
> Chem / Fungus allergies
> Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. a>
> Arthritis
> Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained.
> Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:28:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: clyde lofton
> Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I don't feel good at all, right now.
> To: mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org
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>
>
> Javilk,
>
> I don't feel very good at all right now, and
> my mom is a closed minded registered
> nurse that knows nothing about doctor
> science.
> My neurology is shaky, and my blood
> pressure is out of control, going from one
> extreme to the other; low pressure, to
> high pressure; numbness, to aching pain
> in various places, like my arms.
> I was taking clonazepam, and I am no
> longer taking it.
> My doctor is a jerk, and I am not seeing
> eye to eye with him.
> He has discontinued my prescription on
> clonazepam.
> I have taken the stance of telling my
> doctor to forget the damned drug, and he
> said that he will not prescribe it for me,
> and so I am presently having to suffer
> for it.
> I feel like my heart wants to explode,
> and stop too, I feel like I need oxygen,
> but I am being denied it.
> I need help, immediately, but I cannot
> afford the emergency room; I cannot
> afford $1,000 for the emergency room.
> I don't think that I can even afford to go
> and see my primary care physician
> this month.
> I need some help, immediately.
> My heart is feeling very weak, right
> now.
> Would Niacin do me any good, right
> now, that you know of?
>
> Thanks, Clyde Lofton
> clydelofton@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 8 19:33:21 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 8 20:33:33 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Response to Samuel Morris, and to Javilk.
Message-ID: <20050309033321.19841.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
samuelmorris@charter.net wrote:
acutally I was doing some digging and found that certain organisms can get
used to particular enviromental conditions
I HAVE GROWN SO SICK AND TIRED OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
and suffer if they are altered or
removed.. things you wouldn't even thing are important. If you are having
problems you may want to go and sleep in your sound room again.. or adjust
the frequency or out put of your equipment to see if it can have an adverse or
positive effect on you..
MUSIC HAS BECOME A DRUG TO ME, AND I HAVE NOTICED HOW THE
AMPLITUDE (AKA: VOLUME) EFFECTS ME, FOR EITHER THE POSITIVE,
OR FOR THE NEGATIVE.
I have been on alot of chemicals.. most doctor
proscribed but your body should be able to create or rather exstract all the
chemicals you need to be healthy so unless you have a deficiency in that
department
I NEED AN ABSOLUTION, BECAUSE I AM FED UP WITH BEING TREATED
AS A LAB RAT TO BE EXPERIMENTED ON.
I AM SUPPOSED TO BE THE EXPERIMENTER, NOT MY F-----G ENVIRONMENT;
BUT MY ENVIRONMENT HAS 'COMPLETE' CONTROL OVER ME, AND I WANT
TO HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER MY ENVIRONMENT.
I would just change my diet and lay off as many out side sources
of influence as I could... as it is in nature hungry birds don't eat strange fruit
AN INTERESTING POINT OF VIEW; HUNGRY BIRDS DON'T EAT STRANGE
FRUIT.
THIS MUST APPLY TO HERBS, FROM A HUMAN PERSPECTIVE.
MY BODY NEEDS A REDUCTION IN ADRENALINE, AND MORE OF AN
ABUNDANCE OF OXYGEN, AT THE SAME TIME.
I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE CASE.
I NEED A PERMANENT SEDATIVE; ONE THAT GLUES ITSELF TO THE
NEUROLOGY, AND THAT ISN'T AN ADDICTIVE DRUG.
I NEED TO SLOW WAY WAY WAY DOWN, NEUROLOGICALLY, OR I AM
GOING TO EXPERIENCE THE EARLY DEATH OF MY LIFE, I THINK, IF I
AM NOT CAREFUL.
MY NEUROLOGY IS RESONATING AT TWO DIFFERENT FREQUENCIES
SIMULTANEOUSLY, AND THE TWO DIFFERENT FREQUENCIES ARE
AT A CONSTANT CONFLICTING DISCORD WITH ONE ANOTHER.
MY NEUROLOGY, CARDIOLOGY, AND MY PSYCHOLOGY ARE ALL
THREE SCREWED UP NOW.
I ACCELERATED MY METABOLISM, AND I CANNOT SLOW IT BACK
DOWN NOW.
I WILL EXPLAIN MORE, AFTER I FINISH THIS E-MAIL; I AM GOING TO
RESPOND TO A PAST RESPONSE FROM JAVILK, WHEN I LEAVE OFF
HERE.
CLYDE.
:P
>
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> 1. Re: 60 cycle interference with the 7.83 cycle (clyde lofton)
> 2. Re: 60 cycle interference with the 7.83 cycle
> (javilk@mall-net.com)
> 3. I don't feel good at all, right now. (clyde lofton)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:43:09 -0800 (PST)
> From: clyde lofton
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] 60 cycle interference with the 7.83
> cycle
> To: mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org
> Message-ID: <20050308014309.8366.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
>
> Javilk,
>
> Are you there?
> Did you get this response, earlier?
>
> clyde lofton wrote:
>
>
> javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > I cannot afford complex, and expensive test
> > and measurement equipment.
> > I worry that the 60 cycle A.C., from the
> > surrounding equipment, will cause drastic
> > 60 cycle inductive interference.
> > What do you know about this?
>
> 1. You can use an oscilloscope to look at the wave form.
> 2. You can hook a speaker up and listen for the 60hz hum.
>
> I remember the tale of my father doing some high tech work on some
> contract in a Very Expensive RF anechoic chamber. Everything copper
> shielded, copper cones etc. Yet he kept getting some strange variable
> interference. Finally, he had the chamber owners get a speaker and put
> it on the amplifier. It was a local radio station. The chamber was
> leaking RF, not his device. Sometimes the lowest tech is the best test
> instrument. It just depends.
>
> > Do you think that the surrounding 60 Hz.
> > A.C. energy should be a big worry for me?
>
> Probably not unless you amplify it or are next to a power line.
>
> > I am already addicted to 60 cycles per
> > second, as I found out yesterday, when I
> > did some acoustic testing on myself, at
> > around 60 Hz.
>
> Can you describe this a little more?
>
>
> I SLEEP IN THE SAME ROOM, AS MY CONTINUOUSLY
>
> POWERED STUDIO EQUIPMENT, AND COULD SENSE
>
> A MAJOR DIFFERENCE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED
>
> OPERATING MY AUDIO GENERATOR, AND I AM CURRENTLY
>
> SUFFERING FROM BOTH NEUROLOGY, AND CARDIOLOGY
>
> PROBLEMS, SINCE I AM NOT SEEING EYE TO EYE WITH MY
>
> DOCTOR, AND HAVE DISCONTINUED TAKING CLONAZEPAM.
>
> I AM CURRENTLY HAVING TO FALL BACK ON ZYPREXA,
>
> AND LAVENDAR TEA.
>
> LAVENDAR TEA IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THAT IS
>
> HELPING ME AT THE MOMENT.
>
> IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED THE AUDIO
>
> GENERATOR, I EXPERIENCED DRASTIC PANIC ATTACKS;
>
> MY BLOOD PRESSURE GOING TO THE EXTREMES OF
>
> LOW PRESSURE, AND HIGH PRESSURE; NUMBNESS
>
> IN MY LEFT ARM, GOING TO ACHING PAIN.
>
> THREE WEEKS AGO, I DID A BREATHING EXERCISE.
>
> IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BREATHING EXERCISE, MY
>
> ENTIRE NEUROLOGY WAS ELECTRIFIED WITH HIGH
>
> VOLTAGE, AND IT DID NOT FEEL GOOD AT ALL.
>
>
> > I am afraid that the 60 cycles per second
> > will have negative effects.
> > What do you know about this?
>
> Yes it can. The question is how much are you exposed to? Do you
> have high tension lines (not just street pole lines) above your home? I
> twice reported for interviews in places next to high tension lines. I
> found some kind of inductive drag on my thought processes, so declined
> the contracts. Yes, I could have made a mu metal hat and all that and
> made several tens of thousands of dollars working there a few months;
> but I figured it it was harming my brain, it was probably doing a number
> on the rest of me as well, and it wasn't enough to buy a replacement
> body. (Never mind not having the technology to do the actual
> replacement.)
>
> -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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> From: javilk@mall-net.com
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] 60 cycle interference with the 7.83
> cycle
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> > Can you describe this a little more?
> >
> >
> > I SLEEP IN THE SAME ROOM, AS MY CONTINUOUSLY
> >
> > POWERED STUDIO EQUIPMENT, AND COULD SENSE
> > > A MAJOR DIFFERENCE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED
> > > OPERATING MY AUDIO GENERATOR, AND I AM CURRENTLY
> > > SUFFERING FROM BOTH NEUROLOGY, AND CARDIOLOGY
> > > PROBLEMS, SINCE I AM NOT SEEING EYE TO EYE WITH MY
> > > DOCTOR, AND HAVE DISCONTINUED TAKING CLONAZEPAM.
> > I AM CURRENTLY HAVING TO FALL BACK ON ZYPREXA,
>
> Seizure and depression medicine. Well, if you have possible
> seizure problems, I'd really be careful on the magnetics business. Ive
> read that the higher frequencies of any stimulation, which would likely
> include magnetic, can trigger seizures.
>
> Remember, you are doing this on your own. There is risk involved,
> much more so when dealing with a brain that does not have a stable
> resonance pattern. It's kind of like learning brain surgery on
> yourself. Then again, desperation is desperation.
>
> I am not a doctor. I dont' even play one on TV.
>
> > AND LAVENDAR TEA.
> >
> > LAVENDAR TEA IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THAT IS
> > HELPING ME AT THE MOMENT.
> >
> > IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED THE AUDIO
> > GENERATOR, I EXPERIENCED DRASTIC PANIC ATTACKS;
> > MY BLOOD PRESSURE GOING TO THE EXTREMES OF
> > LOW PRESSURE, AND HIGH PRESSURE; NUMBNESS
> > IN MY LEFT ARM, GOING TO ACHING PAIN.
> >
>
> > THREE WEEKS AGO, I DID A BREATHING EXERCISE.
> > IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BREATHING EXERCISE, MY
> > ENTIRE NEUROLOGY WAS ELECTRIFIED WITH HIGH
> > VOLTAGE, AND IT DID NOT FEEL GOOD AT ALL.
>
> Breathing can do several interesting things. One of these is upset
> blood pH balance. That's one of the health problems I have. Breathing
> too much tends to make the blood alkaline. So does low body
> temperature. You should try taking your temperature several times a day
> to see what is up.
>
> Has anyone done any checking on your blood oxygen levels using a
> pulse oxymiter?
>
> Were you exposed to carbon monoxide poisoning before you started
> having to take medications?
>
> do you have cracks in the corners of your mouth? Any white bumps
> in your mouth? And spontaneous bruising or spontaneous yellow splotches
> forming on your skin?
>
> When I was really sick, I was monitoring urine pH every time,
> watching the effects of different foods on my energy levels, etc.
>
> -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
> CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
> Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
> My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
> I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
>
> For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
> orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
> Today's Art Photo A>
> Chem / Fungus allergies
> Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. a>
> Arthritis
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:28:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: clyde lofton
> Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I don't feel good at all, right now.
> To: mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org
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>
> Javilk,
>
> I don't feel very good at all right now, and
> my mom is a closed minded registered
> nurse that knows nothing about doctor
> science.
> My neurology is shaky, and my blood
> pressure is out of control, going from one
> extreme to the other; low pressure, to
> high pressure; numbness, to aching pain
> in various places, like my arms.
> I was taking clonazepam, and I am no
> longer taking it.
> My doctor is a jerk, and I am not seeing
> eye to eye with him.
> He has discontinued my prescription on
> clonazepam.
> I have taken the stance of telling my
> doctor to forget the damned drug, and he
> said that he will not prescribe it for me,
> and so I am presently having to suffer
> for it.
> I feel like my heart wants to explode,
> and stop too, I feel like I need oxygen,
> but I am being denied it.
> I need help, immediately, but I cannot
> afford the emergency room; I cannot
> afford $1,000 for the emergency room.
> I don't think that I can even afford to go
> and see my primary care physician
> this month.
> I need some help, immediately.
> My heart is feeling very weak, right
> now.
> Would Niacin do me any good, right
> now, that you know of?
>
> Thanks, Clyde Lofton
> clydelofton@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 8 21:02:08 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Response to Javilk.
In-Reply-To: 6667
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Javilk;
THE * MARK, BELOW, HIGHLIGHTS MY RESPONSES.
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> Can you describe this a little more?
>
>
> I SLEEP IN THE SAME ROOM, AS MY CONTINUOUSLY
>
> POWERED STUDIO EQUIPMENT, AND COULD SENSE
> > A MAJOR DIFFERENCE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED
> > OPERATING MY AUDIO GENERATOR, AND I AM CURRENTLY
> > SUFFERING FROM BOTH NEUROLOGY, AND CARDIOLOGY
> > PROBLEMS, SINCE I AM NOT SEEING EYE TO EYE WITH MY
> > DOCTOR, AND HAVE DISCONTINUED TAKING CLONAZEPAM.
> I AM CURRENTLY HAVING TO FALL BACK ON ZYPREXA,
Seizure and depression medicine. Well, if you have possible
seizure problems,
IS ZYPREXA A SEIZURE DRUG?
I'd really be careful on the magnetics business. Ive
read that the higher frequencies of any stimulation, which would likely
include magnetic, can trigger seizures.
Remember, you are doing this on your own. There is risk involved,
much more so when dealing with a brain that does not have a stable
resonance pattern. It's kind of like learning brain surgery on
yourself. Then again, desperation is desperation.
*I AM BECOMING DESPERATE.
I DON'T THINK I CAN BEAR THIS MUCH LONGER.*
I am not a doctor. I dont' even play one on TV.
> AND LAVENDAR TEA.
>
> LAVENDAR TEA IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THAT IS
> HELPING ME AT THE MOMENT.
>
> IMMEDIATELY AFTER I DISCONTINUED THE AUDIO
> GENERATOR, I EXPERIENCED DRASTIC PANIC ATTACKS;
> MY BLOOD PRESSURE GOING TO THE EXTREMES OF
> LOW PRESSURE, AND HIGH PRESSURE; NUMBNESS
> IN MY LEFT ARM, GOING TO ACHING PAIN.
>
> THREE WEEKS AGO, I DID A BREATHING EXERCISE.
> IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BREATHING EXERCISE, MY
> ENTIRE NEUROLOGY WAS ELECTRIFIED WITH HIGH
> VOLTAGE, AND IT DID NOT FEEL GOOD AT ALL.
Breathing can do several interesting things. One of these is upset
blood pH balance. That's one of the health problems I have. Breathing
too much tends to make the blood alkaline. So does low body
temperature. You should try taking your temperature several times a day
to see what is up.
*WOULD A STANDARD CHEAP THERMOMETER SUFFICE FOR THIS?*
Has anyone done any checking on your blood oxygen levels using a
pulse oxymiter?
*NO; BUT I AM CURIOUS TO WHAT A PULSE OXYMITTER IS?
I NEED SOMETHING DONE SOON, BECAUSE I CAN ALMOST BEAR NO MORE
OF THIS THAT I FEEL.*
Were you exposed to carbon monoxide poisoning before you started
having to take medications?
*AT FIRST, I DIDN'T THINK OF ANYTHING WHEN YOU FIRST RESPONDED, BUT,
YES, I ACTUALLY HAVE, AND NOW I AM SUFFERING DRASTICALLY, THE
CONSEQUENCES OF IT; EXPERIMENTING WITH THE SMOKING OF MARIJUANA,
OFF AND ON, WITH FRIENDS IN THE PAST.
I NO LONGER SMOKE MARIJUANA, BUT I FEEL AS THOUGH I HAVE RECEIVED
PERMANENT LUNG DAMAGE, AND PERMANENT NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE
FROM IT.
I NEED OXYGEN, BAD, RIGHT NOW, I FEEL; MY CARDIOVASCULAR IS NOT
DOING WELL.
I WENT TO THE CHIROPRACTOR TODAY, AND HE MENTIONED EXERCISE;
NAMELY; JOGGING, AND RUNNING.
I CURRENTLY DO NOT DO JOGGING, OR RUNNING.
I ALMOST FEEL AS THOUGH IT IS USELESS, SINCE IT IS ONLY WORKING TO
MY BENEFIT, AND NOT TO THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS AT THE SAME TIME.*
do you have cracks in the corners of your mouth? Any white bumps
in your mouth? And spontaneous bruising or spontaneous yellow splotches
forming on your skin?
*I DO GET CRACKS IN THE CORNERS OF MY MOUTH, AND I HAVE HAD
CONSTANT CRACKS IN THE FRONTS OF BOTH OF MY NOSTRILS TOO.
YESTERDAY NIGHT, THE STRESS WAS SO GREAT, I FEEL THAT A RED BUMP
APPEARED ON MY FACE, FROM THE STRESS; MAYBE I AM ONLY
IMAGINING THIS AS BEING FROM THE STRESS THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW.*
When I was really sick, I was monitoring urine pH every time,
watching the effects of different foods on my energy levels, etc.
*MY URINE IS STRONGLY SCENTED WITH A NON NORMAL SMELL, AND IS
ALSO DARKER COLORED THAN NORMAL, CURRENTLY, AND I HOPE IT ISN'T
INDICATING THAT SOMETHING VERY BAD GOING ON INSIDE OF ME RIGHT
NOW.*
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 8 21:08:35 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I forgot to highlight one of my respones in the
last response, to Javilk.
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Javilk,
I forgot to highlight with a * mark the following, in
my last response:
*Is Zyprexa a seizure drug?*
Clyde
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 8 21:41:35 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I need an absolution.
Message-ID: <20050309044045.82664.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
I need an absolution to the
problems that I face in my
life.
A peaceful, permanent,
absolution.
I am sick and tired of drugs.
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Mar 8 22:11:05 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Response to Javilk.
In-Reply-To: <20050309040156.27715.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 08, 2005 08:01:56 PM
Message-ID: <20050309051102.78459.qmail@mall-net.com>
> THE * MARK, BELOW, HIGHLIGHTS MY RESPONSES.
> > > DOCTOR, AND HAVE DISCONTINUED TAKING CLONAZEPAM.
> > I AM CURRENTLY HAVING TO FALL BACK ON ZYPREXA,
>
> Seizure and depression medicine. Well, if you have possible
> seizure problems,
>
> IS ZYPREXA A SEIZURE DRUG?
It is mentioned as used in such. Most of these things can be
looked up on the web. Having an allergy to the molds in old books,
that's how I do most of my research.
> I'd really be careful on the magnetics business. Ive
> read that the higher frequencies of any stimulation, which would likely
> include magnetic, can trigger seizures.
>
> Remember, you are doing this on your own. There is risk involved,
> much more so when dealing with a brain that does not have a stable
> resonance pattern. It's kind of like learning brain surgery on
> yourself. Then again, desperation is desperation.
>
>
> *I AM BECOMING DESPERATE.
> I DON'T THINK I CAN BEAR THIS MUCH LONGER.*
7.83hz has always had a calming effect on _me_... whether it is
magnetics or some warbling note at that repetition rate.
> I am not a doctor. I dont' even play one on TV.
> > THREE WEEKS AGO, I DID A BREATHING EXERCISE.
> > IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BREATHING EXERCISE, MY
> > ENTIRE NEUROLOGY WAS ELECTRIFIED WITH HIGH
> > VOLTAGE, AND IT DID NOT FEEL GOOD AT ALL.
>
> Breathing can do several interesting things. One of these is upset
> blood pH balance. That's one of the health problems I have. Breathing
> too much tends to make the blood alkaline. So does low body
> temperature. You should try taking your temperature several times a day
> to see what is up.
>
> *WOULD A STANDARD CHEAP THERMOMETER SUFFICE FOR THIS?*
Yes it would! Look up Wilson's Syndrome on the web, or just browse
through http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/
> Has anyone done any checking on your blood oxygen levels using a
> pulse oxymiter?
>
> *NO; BUT I AM CURIOUS TO WHAT A PULSE OXYMITTER IS?
Two light beams are directed through some thin member like a finger
tip or ear lobe. The transmission ratio between them is used to
determine blood oxygen levels BUT is subject to being fooled by carbon
monoxide, if present.
Cheapest is... Ah, look over ...
http://www.medical-monitors.com/ $265
http://www.miami-med.com/pulse_oximeter.htm $269.95
http://www.aeromedix.com/ (Also check out the CO monitors and articles
on CO detection!!!)
http://www.portablenebs.com/nonin9500.htm
http://kmpi.konicaminolta.us/eprise/main/kmpi/content/ISD/ISD_Category_Pages/pulseoximeters
Unfortunately, these do not reveal anemia, which can also cause low
oxygen delivery.
Now the other question is, where is your electric water heater, and
is it gas or electric? Do you have a "gas log" type fireplace? Are you
using a gas stove?
Some of these symptoms are known to happen to those who are
allergic to natural gas combustion products. Because I had some similar
symptoms due to a natural gas fired hot water heater which was not
properly vented. Tachycardia, waking up in an adrenal jag, tingling
fingers and lips, etc. Whether this was carbon monoxide or natural gas
reactions, I never bothered to figure out. I just sealed off that
source of problems after the gas company told me there was no overt
carbon monoxide leakage when they were there.
> I NEED SOMETHING DONE SOON, BECAUSE I CAN ALMOST BEAR NO MORE
> OF THIS THAT I FEEL.*
I can well understand your plight, having been in similar
situations when sleep didn't seem to work for me. As well as a major
candida albecans infection which nearly killed me. It is rough! (An
understatement.) But you can live through it if you find out what,
exactly, is causing the problem and figure out how to avoid it.
> Were you exposed to carbon monoxide poisoning before you started
> having to take medications?
>
> *AT FIRST, I DIDN'T THINK OF ANYTHING WHEN YOU FIRST RESPONDED, BUT,
> YES, I ACTUALLY HAVE, AND NOW I AM SUFFERING DRASTICALLY, THE
> CONSEQUENCES OF IT; EXPERIMENTING WITH THE SMOKING OF MARIJUANA,
> OFF AND ON, WITH FRIENDS IN THE PAST.
I wonder if you had paraquat poisoning. It is a herbicide used to
try to kill off the plant.
> I NO LONGER SMOKE MARIJUANA, BUT I FEEL AS THOUGH I HAVE RECEIVED
> PERMANENT LUNG DAMAGE, AND PERMANENT NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE
> FROM IT.
That is what some say Paraquat will do. When you buy things
from strange money hungry people, especially stoned money hungry people,
you don't know what you are getting!
While this was not the reason I didn't dabble in drugs, it was
certainly a consideration when I was reading up on what this new drug
stuff I was hearing was all about.
The reports about LSD were fascinating, except for the, um, "minor"
problems of not being able to turn it off, not knowing what was real,
and, um, not being able to use your brain to evaluate the experience in
an objective manner as it was occurring. Case in point was the
researcher who was so convinced he could fly, that he jumped out of an
airplane. He made a neat cross shaped hole in a roof... And did not
survive. Even before reading about that, the whole thing just seemed
quite impractical to me.
I later met some who had used LSD, and spoke of long term effects
which just confirmed my conjecture about how the phantasmagorias were
indicative of brain damage and improper cross linking of neurons; in
effect, permanent mild brain damage. Not a good thing for an engineer
or scientist!
> I NEED OXYGEN, BAD, RIGHT NOW, I FEEL; MY CARDIOVASCULAR IS NOT
> DOING WELL.
>
> I WENT TO THE CHIROPRACTOR TODAY, AND HE MENTIONED EXERCISE;
> NAMELY; JOGGING, AND RUNNING.
>
> I CURRENTLY DO NOT DO JOGGING, OR RUNNING.
>
> I ALMOST FEEL AS THOUGH IT IS USELESS, SINCE IT IS ONLY WORKING TO
> MY BENEFIT, AND NOT TO THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS AT THE SAME TIME.*
If you are not getting enough oxygen, it will not benefit you.
> do you have cracks in the corners of your mouth? Any white bumps
> in your mouth? And spontaneous bruising or spontaneous yellow splotches
> forming on your skin?
>
> *I DO GET CRACKS IN THE CORNERS OF MY MOUTH, AND I HAVE HAD
> CONSTANT CRACKS IN THE FRONTS OF BOTH OF MY NOSTRILS TOO.
This is often a sign of B6 deficiency as well as a sign of Candida
Albecans, a fungus which can grow in the mouth (thrush), intestinal
tract, ears, and perhaps lungs (and commonly in women, the vagina).
When overgrowth is severe, it can poison one much as you seem to be
poisoned. I've lived through it. Barely! Most doctors will not
diagnose it because everyone has some; though some do get overgrowth.
It can also cause hypoglycemia, and some variants can cause alcohol
poisoning when one has not drunk ANY alcohol. I had a friend, a
doctor's wife, arrested for drunkenness due to such an intestinal
infection.
Eating garlic will make it worse for a few hours, but generally
cause some improvement. You do need to be evaluated for candida
albecans, though getting a PROPER evaluation from a doctor who believes
this as a possibility can be difficult.
You might consider the paperback book "The Yeast Syndrome", by
Trowbridge and Walker, two doctors who laid out one of the best ways of
treating it. Dr. Crook's "The Yeast Connection" series is not nearly as
good and more expensive; though it is better than nothing.
> YESTERDAY NIGHT, THE STRESS WAS SO GREAT, I FEEL THAT A RED BUMP
> APPEARED ON MY FACE, FROM THE STRESS; MAYBE I AM ONLY
> IMAGINING THIS AS BEING FROM THE STRESS THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW.*
Anything which triggers allergic reactions can cause hives, red
bumps on the skin. While this is often caused by food allergies, it can
be caused by skin contact with mold, plastics, and some other irritants.
What kind of ceiling do you have in your room? If plaster, run
your finger on it and see if there is a white powder falling off the
ceiling. That would be efflourecence of plaster, found on old, unpainted
plaster ceilings.
What kind of home do you live in? Where is it located? How busy
and how close is the nearest major road?
> When I was really sick, I was monitoring urine pH every time,
> watching the effects of different foods on my energy levels, etc.
>
>
> *MY URINE IS STRONGLY SCENTED WITH A NON NORMAL SMELL, AND IS
> ALSO DARKER COLORED THAN NORMAL, CURRENTLY, AND I HOPE IT ISN'T
> INDICATING THAT SOMETHING VERY BAD GOING ON INSIDE OF ME RIGHT
> NOW.*
This is a warning sign to get someone to test you for Porphyria!
(Though it could also be urinary tract infection or other metabolic
problems, as well as odd diets, etc. Asparagus will certainly cause
urine to smell odd.) Getting competent testing for porphyria can be
difficult, since it is considered so rare. Interestingly enough,
pesticide exposure can cause some forms of porphyria, more properly
known as porphyrinuria. (Some like to keep porphyria for the genetic
ailments, and porphyrinuria for the acquired ones.) But the other
question supporting extensive porphyria testing is whether you have ANY
ancestors or relatives who have had bad skin problems, extreme
sensitivity to light, or just funny non-alcohol related mental problems
starting, perhaps, in their 30's.
You see, most doctors won't test for porphyria unless there is more
than one ominous sign. Relatives with similar problems suggests
hereditary transmission, which is what most doctors accept. They don't
usually want to think of the possibilities of poisoning causing it;
though it well can.
My own problem started when I spent a month in a condo insulated
with urea-formaldehyde insulation. i developed many strange allergies,
mostly to chemicals, and the candida albecans slowly started gnawing on
my weakened carcass till I was barely able to walk. I was nearly bed
ridden for two years, in a charcoal gas mask, etc. till the right doctor
started treating me. Long, long, nearly hopeless journey! But I did
survive, and did fairly well after that.
So I think we and some doctor can get you back to health someday.
It's going to be a hard haul, but it can be done. YOU ARE WORTH SAVING!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 8 23:47:15 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Mar 9 00:47:24 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk;
Is there a link, or a bridge, between having the
skin problems, and having certain mental problems?
Message-ID: <20050309074715.14621.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
Is there a link, or a bridge, between
having the skin problems, and having
certain mental problems too, because
my dad had mental problems, and
before he passed on, we found out that
he was seeing a doctor at that time, to
treat his skin problems.
Could there possibly be a link in there,
somewhere, that you know of?
I can't remeber what the name of the
skin problem was, though;
I'll have to ask my mother to see if
she remembers.
I also forgot to mention, that I do
not have a 'large' collection of books
persay, but I do have a Thomas
Register set (1998) that I keep in my
studio, which I have transported on
a couple of occasions, when I moved,
twice.
I also go to the library, to print certain
computer website information, and
certain and specific e-mails out, since
I currently cannot afford to maintain
the home computer printer.
So I am around a lot of books when
I go to the library, usually, every day.
I haven't been able to check the
ceiling yet, although I know it was
painted a few years ago.
Also, I am within a square mile;
completely surrounded by constant
traffic (main) roads, in Oklahoma,
(This) f'ing fascist corporate state
of petroleum monoxide (to be a little
sarcastic); Oklahoma; the other
dark energy empire, (besides
O.K.C.,) of; Tulsa.
This town is driving me mad, too.
I have got to the point now, where I
don't like going downtown anymore.
Downtown is built on a dark hole.
I am trapped in this cursed city,
but I would like to move to colorful
colorado; Colorado Springs, or to
Fort Collins; Fort Collins, where the
shortwave U.T.C. station, W.W.V.
is located.
I also did a little bit of speed (the
street name is called; crank,) but I
didn't sniff it, as the usual people
do, I drank it, with some soda
pop, or another drink that I cannot
remember, at that time.
I noticed that it was not a water
soluable substance, because it
did not dissolve, when it was
added to the drink.
Regardless of that, it has had a
lasting effect on my neurology
as well, I am certain of that.
I need to find a ways and means
of permanently flushing it from
my system, if possible.
I have used the Zyprexa, for the
controlling of my sleep cycles, to
listen to specific Coast To Coast
A.M. broadcasts, but I can no
longer live that kind of life, staying
up late, even though I am a
subscriber to X.M. Satellite Radio.
Staying up late, and not having
consistent sleep cycles, is
screwing my life up, and is
harming my health.
Coast To Coast A.M. is a poor
source of information too.
I don't know if I will be able to
get much sleep tonight, but I
am going to try to get a little.
Zyprexa gives me racing
thoughts, and stimulates
paranoia, and also amplifies
anger, too.
Zyprexa, (pharma-pseudical
name: Olanzapine,) has a
combination of chemistry
that makes it a combination
of sedative effects, and
hallucinogenic stimulant
effects, too; this I now know,
since my trial of Clonazepam.
It seems to me now, that the
(environ)mental institutions
aid and abett the use of
illegal street drugs, by the
promotion of their
commercialism pills.
After no longer taking
Clonazepam, my moods are
back to bitterness, increased
anger, and increased fear, as
well.
I like brainstorming, but when
racing thoughts are out of
control, I do not like
brainstorming.
I need to try to get a little
bit of sleep, if possible.
Sincerely, Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 9 08:49:08 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Mar 9 01:49:21 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk;
In-Reply-To: <20050309074715.14621.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 08, 2005 11:47:15 PM
Message-ID: <20050309084908.28850.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Is there a link, or a bridge, between
> having the skin problems, and having
> certain mental problems too, because
> my dad had mental problems, and
> before he passed on, we found out that
> he was seeing a doctor at that time, to
> treat his skin problems.
Porphyria makes people highly sun sensitive because the chemistry
reacts with the sun to create even more toxic chemistry right in the
skin. Their skin sometimes becomes tight and stiff. (Depends on the
kind of porphyria, diet, and sun exposure.)
ButI mention something else below which may also be a problem for
you to look into. Are you very near sighted? 20:200 or worse vision?
> I also go to the library, to print certain
> computer website information, and
> certain and specific e-mails out, since
> I currently cannot afford to maintain
> the home computer printer.
Ah.
> So I am around a lot of books when
> I go to the library, usually, every day.
> I haven't been able to check the
> ceiling yet, although I know it was
> painted a few years ago.
So unless there was some problem with fungicides in the paint, or
mold growing on it, the ceiling is probably not a problem.
> Also, I am within a square mile;
> completely surrounded by constant
> traffic (main) roads, in Oklahoma,
I have serious problems with automobile type air pollution. Doc
and I think I probably have an acquired intermittent porphyria, but have
not been through the tests.
> soluable substance, because it
> did not dissolve, when it was
> added to the drink.
> Regardless of that, it has had a
> lasting effect on my neurology
> as well, I am certain of that.
> I need to find a ways and means
> of permanently flushing it from
> my system, if possible.
High doses of vitamin C have been known to un-addict people.
Residues are unlikely to remain in your system for long anyway.
> I have used the Zyprexa, for the
> controlling of my sleep cycles, to
> listen to specific Coast To Coast
> A.M. broadcasts, but I can no
Not such a good idea, I think.
> longer live that kind of life, staying
> up late, even though I am a
> subscriber to X.M. Satellite Radio.
I find vocal broadcasts just too darned slow! I prefer to read
everything.
> Staying up late, and not having
> consistent sleep cycles, is
> screwing my life up, and is
> harming my health.
Sleep deprivation WILL increase blood pressure and can cause
psychotic episodes. Feelings of spiders crawling on the skin and
hallucinations of spiders and spiderwebs are not uncommon for the
seriously sleep deprived.
> Zyprexa gives me racing
> thoughts, and stimulates
> paranoia, and also amplifies
> anger, too.
Obviously not such a good idea.
> Zyprexa, (pharma-pseudical
> name: Olanzapine,) has a
> combination of chemistry
> that makes it a combination
> of sedative effects, and
> hallucinogenic stimulant
> effects, too; this I now know,
A little hard to remain objective when your brain is awry...
> since my trial of Clonazepam.
> It seems to me now, that the
> (environ)mental institutions
> aid and abett the use of
> illegal street drugs, by the
> promotion of their
> commercialism pills.
Weaken the reluctance of people to try drugs. I think it works both
ways.
Lightly steamed or microwaved root and leaf vegetables are very
good... though the frozen crap is just awful no matter how you prepare
it. Roots and leaves tend to have higher levels of natural
anti-fungals, which would help if you have candida albecans.
You might try to find an orthomolecular doctor in your area. They
understand more about biological chemistry than the conventional
doctors. The Society for Orthomolecular Psychiatry was founded by some
doctors who noticed that proper nutrition, and in some cases vitamins
way beyond the norms, had better effects than talk therapy or drug
medication. They found that some people need grams of niacin to stay
sane, others need high doses of B12... and many people just don't eat a
good enough diet to be sane. Sugar is not your friend! Neither is
coffee.
I do get benefits from taking a lot of niacin at times; but that is
mostly to dilate blood vessels which tend to spasm on exposure to
solvents and other pollution. Though for me, it is also a good mood
elevator, and one that does not screw up cognition! I remember one
doctor prescribe Valium for some tension problems. At the end of the
day, that very expensive bottle was in the trash!
Which reminds me... there is another condition which can cause a
lot of tension and weird near paranoid nervousness. That is why they
tried the Valium on me. It is seeing slightly different sized or
slightly different shaped images in each eye, though it can also be
caused by nearsightedness. Called Anisoconia, it warps the personality
because the brain is frantically trying to reconcile the different
images or is griping the eyes trying to slew them in enough synchrony.
One of the traits, is the incessant seeking of perfect things and the
belief that everything is so imperfect. After all, you don't see it
right! The images just don't line up! Depth perception is often very
poor in cases like theses.
Hell, I had that before I got contact lenses. Adrenaline! Tension!
Even a bit of a temper. It had gotten worse and worse in my late high
school and early college years. I sometimes saw double. Going from one
eye doctor to another with very little improvement. Then we found a
doctor who had the problem himself. Contact lenses, he said. There
were some problems with my eyes adapting to contact lenses, but I had no
chose. Once I'd had the contact lenses on two days, I adapted to a much,
much nicer world and didn't want to go back. (Changing from contacts to
glasses would cause me nausea!) It was Day and Night! I mean, with
contacts things looked Real, Close, Relaxed, Touchable!!! With glasses,
things tended to be distant, not interesting enough to be touchable,
approachable. Like I say, Day and Night difference in what I was seeing,
and in ME after being on contacts for even an hour.
In my case a good part of the problem was ege synchronisation, but
there was also the astigmatism being different in each eye. The glasses
type correction for near sightedness causes the images to be smaller,
though sharper, like a telescope. Eventually the coordination of the
eye muscles is exceeded, and that causes all kinds of problems ranging
from double vision to extreme nervousness and uncertainty of distances
of things around one.
(That is one reason I loved programming, I could do the designs in
my head with my eyes closed!)
I hope this had given you some things to think about. We do care
about you, whether you are a mad scientist or not. We just don't want
you to be an angry scientist.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 20:31:31 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Mar 9 21:31:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rogue doctors,
and/or underground doctors who frequent,
or who have frequented this list?
Message-ID: <20050310043131.60345.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
Do you know of any rogue doctors, and/or
of any underground doctors, who visit, or
who have visited, the mad-sci.org website
list before?
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Mar 10 05:01:34 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Mar 9 22:01:36 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rogue doctors,
In-Reply-To: <20050310043131.60345.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 09, 2005 08:31:31 PM
Message-ID: <20050310050134.44484.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Do you know of any rogue doctors, and/or
> of any underground doctors, who visit, or
> who have visited, the mad-sci.org website
> list before?
I'm new here.
My favorite Doctor is Dr. Cathcart,
http;//www.mall-net.com/cathcart/ and http://www.orthomed.com/
There are other lists which may serve your medical needs better.
The only question is, are the lists ready for you?
http://www.ImmuneWeb.org might be interesting to look at, but it's
composition is mostly sick women who don't seem terribly enthralled with
science. And certainly not pharmaceutical science. I hang out there,
answering lots of technical questions. There are two other guys who are
a bit tech, including one chemist; but their posts are not always
appreciated.
Lots of the other lists are sponsored by drug companies. they have
moved in, bought advertising, and so bought the loyalty of the list
owners. You have to look, note whether they lean toward one therapy,
etc. I was on some thyroid list, and basically got booted off that and
an allergy list run by the same guy because he accused me of irritating
his pharmaceutical advertising clients with posts about vitamins! He
stated censoring all the vitamin posters. Eventually, not getting much
in or from the list, we left.
I tried to set up some doctor's mailing lists, but doctors are
afraid to post anything for the liability risk.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 21:06:07 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Mar 9 22:06:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Unconventional wisdom,
compared to conventional wisdom.
Message-ID: <20050310050607.6918.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
I have become sick and tired of
conventional wisdom; (pertaining
to the doctors, and to a lot of the
scientists in the mainstream).
I need alternative wisdom;
I need unconventional wisdom;
I need unconventional wisdom in
infinite supply, forever.
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Mar 10 07:11:32 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Mar 10 00:11:33 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Unconventional wisdom,
In-Reply-To: <20050310050607.6918.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 09, 2005 09:06:07 PM
Message-ID: <20050310071132.92642.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I have become sick and tired of
> conventional wisdom; (pertaining
> to the doctors, and to a lot of the
> scientists in the mainstream).
> I need alternative wisdom;
> I need unconventional wisdom;
> I need unconventional wisdom in
> infinite supply, forever.
Gee, I always thought the purpose of life was to learn to create
your own wisdom.
And a good part of the fun of life, the process of learning it.
Assuming, of course, that you survive.
-J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 09:24:08 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Mar 10 10:25:07 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Unconventional wisdom,
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050310172408.15036.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
I hope this message didn't come across
wrong.
It is just the institutional doctors of
mainstream, and the prescription drugs;
Like you said; the doctors only go by the
book.
The doctors of mainstream aren't open
to alternative possibilities because of
their control dogmas.
I feel like I am in survival mode, right
now.
Sincerely, Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> I have become sick and tired of
> conventional wisdom; (pertaining
> to the doctors, and to a lot of the
> scientists in the mainstream).
> I need alternative wisdom;
> I need unconventional wisdom;
> I need unconventional wisdom in
> infinite supply, forever.
Gee, I always thought the purpose of life was to learn to create
your own wisdom.
And a good part of the fun of life, the process of learning it.
Assuming, of course, that you survive.
-J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Mar 10 17:56:39 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Mar 10 10:56:42 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Unconventional wisdom,
In-Reply-To: <20050310172408.15036.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 10, 2005 09:24:08 AM
Message-ID: <20050310175639.89539.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I hope this message didn't come across
> wrong.
> It is just the institutional doctors of
> mainstream, and the prescription drugs;
> Like you said; the doctors only go by the
> book.
> The doctors of mainstream aren't open
> to alternative possibilities because of
> their control dogmas.
> I feel like I am in survival mode, right
> now.
You never said how (or if) nearsighted you are.
We are all in survival mode. Some a little closer to the edge than
others; but as they say, we are all a few paychecks away from disaster,
and illness is one way of suffering a disaster.
But till we are hanging off that edge and unsatisfied with
conventional medicine, none of us is willing to experiment.
What we need is, taking a leaf from the Open Source / Linux
movement, something more like open source medicine.
Well, I've got news for you, that exists! Many of the biochemical
pathways are known and a chart can be bought. Web pages exist listing
symptoms of over and under consumption of amino acids and vitamins.
And the internet ties them all together.
The Chart is named "Biochemical Pathways", Gerhard Michal, Editor,
buy Boehringer Mannheim. You can buy it at the Sanford Bookstore
(usually in stock) or order it through most book stores.
Like Linux, it does take a little learning to use; but it saved my
life a few times when urgent care doctors talked malarky at me. (They
kept telling me I was dehydrated. In fact, I didn't have enough salts,
and it was the lack of salts that kept me from absorbing the water
already in my gut! Restarting that little balance isn't so easy, but
once I figured out what went wrong, I had a chance.)
The true medical tradition (mad doctors?) is for doctors to try
their ideas on themselves first; and if they survive, then their
patients. Same principle as the captain being the last one to step off
the sinking ship -- he's responsible for everyone else, so it's his duty
to put their lives first.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From samuelmorris at charter.net Fri Mar 11 03:43:53 2005
From: samuelmorris at charter.net (samuelmorris@charter.net)
Date: Thu Mar 10 20:44:18 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] homeopathic medicines
Message-ID: <3rr04g$iibhc2@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net>
Did you know that homeopathic medicines actually perform above the
standards of alopathic medicines and offer cures for items alopathic
medicines can only conceal but were largely disregarded due to personal
conflicts and biased opinions of currently predominate alopathic doctors. My
advice is to find a doctor who practices both ( a rare find ) and see what they
have to say. My wife was having a horrible time with an infection and sinuses.
She was treated with a combination of both (homeopathic medicines are
harder to find but relitively inexspensive) and as a result the illness subsided
quickly and her immune system was strenghtened... also why would a rouge
doctor admit to it?
>
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> 3. Unconventional wisdom, compared to conventional wisdom.
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> Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rogue doctors, and/or underground doctors
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> Javilk,
>
> Do you know of any rogue doctors, and/or
> of any underground doctors, who visit, or
> who have visited, the mad-sci.org website
> list before?
>
> Clyde
> clydelofton@yahoo.com
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> From: javilk@mall-net.com
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Rogue doctors,
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> > Do you know of any rogue doctors, and/or
> > of any underground doctors, who visit, or
> > who have visited, the mad-sci.org website
> > list before?
>
> I'm new here.
>
> My favorite Doctor is Dr. Cathcart,
> http;//www.mall-net.com/cathcart/ and http://www.orthomed.com/
>
> There are other lists which may serve your medical needs better.
> The only question is, are the lists ready for you?
>
> http://www.ImmuneWeb.org might be interesting to look at, but it's
> composition is mostly sick women who don't seem terribly enthralled with
> science. And certainly not pharmaceutical science. I hang out there,
> answering lots of technical questions. There are two other guys who are
> a bit tech, including one chemist; but their posts are not always
> appreciated.
>
> Lots of the other lists are sponsored by drug companies. they have
> moved in, bought advertising, and so bought the loyalty of the list
> owners. You have to look, note whether they lean toward one therapy,
> etc. I was on some thyroid list, and basically got booted off that and
> an allergy list run by the same guy because he accused me of irritating
> his pharmaceutical advertising clients with posts about vitamins! He
> stated censoring all the vitamin posters. Eventually, not getting much
> in or from the list, we left.
>
> I tried to set up some doctor's mailing lists, but doctors are
> afraid to post anything for the liability risk.
>
> -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
> CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
> Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
> My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
> I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
>
> For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
> orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
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> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:06:07 -0800 (PST)
> From: clyde lofton
> Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Unconventional wisdom, compared to
> conventional wisdom.
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>
> Javilk,
>
> I have become sick and tired of
> conventional wisdom; (pertaining
> to the doctors, and to a lot of the
> scientists in the mainstream).
> I need alternative wisdom;
> I need unconventional wisdom;
> I need unconventional wisdom in
> infinite supply, forever.
>
> Clyde
> clydelofton@yahoo.com
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>
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> From: javilk@mall-net.com
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Unconventional wisdom,
> To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG
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> > I have become sick and tired of
> > conventional wisdom; (pertaining
> > to the doctors, and to a lot of the
> > scientists in the mainstream).
> > I need alternative wisdom;
> > I need unconventional wisdom;
> > I need unconventional wisdom in
> > infinite supply, forever.
>
> Gee, I always thought the purpose of life was to learn to create
> your own wisdom.
>
> And a good part of the fun of life, the process of learning it.
> Assuming, of course, that you survive.
>
> -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-
net.com/javilk
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>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:24:08 -0800 (PST)
> From: clyde lofton
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Unconventional wisdom,
> To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List
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>
> Javilk,
>
> I hope this message didn't come across
> wrong.
> It is just the institutional doctors of
> mainstream, and the prescription drugs;
> Like you said; the doctors only go by the
> book.
> The doctors of mainstream aren't open
> to alternative possibilities because of
> their control dogmas.
> I feel like I am in survival mode, right
> now.
>
> Sincerely, Clyde
> clydelofton@yahoo.com
>
>
> javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > I have become sick and tired of
> > conventional wisdom; (pertaining
> > to the doctors, and to a lot of the
> > scientists in the mainstream).
> > I need alternative wisdom;
> > I need unconventional wisdom;
> > I need unconventional wisdom in
> > infinite supply, forever.
>
> Gee, I always thought the purpose of life was to learn to create
> your own wisdom.
>
> And a good part of the fun of life, the process of learning it.
> Assuming, of course, that you survive.
>
> -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-
net.com/javilk
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> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:56:39 +0000 (GMT)
> From: javilk@mall-net.com
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Unconventional wisdom,
> To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG
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>
> > I hope this message didn't come across
> > wrong.
> > It is just the institutional doctors of
> > mainstream, and the prescription drugs;
> > Like you said; the doctors only go by the
> > book.
> > The doctors of mainstream aren't open
> > to alternative possibilities because of
> > their control dogmas.
> > I feel like I am in survival mode, right
> > now.
>
> You never said how (or if) nearsighted you are.
>
> We are all in survival mode. Some a little closer to the edge than
> others; but as they say, we are all a few paychecks away from disaster,
> and illness is one way of suffering a disaster.
>
> But till we are hanging off that edge and unsatisfied with
> conventional medicine, none of us is willing to experiment.
>
> What we need is, taking a leaf from the Open Source / Linux
> movement, something more like open source medicine.
>
> Well, I've got news for you, that exists! Many of the biochemical
> pathways are known and a chart can be bought. Web pages exist listing
> symptoms of over and under consumption of amino acids and vitamins.
> And the internet ties them all together.
>
> The Chart is named "Biochemical Pathways", Gerhard Michal, Editor,
> buy Boehringer Mannheim. You can buy it at the Sanford Bookstore
> (usually in stock) or order it through most book stores.
>
> Like Linux, it does take a little learning to use; but it saved my
> life a few times when urgent care doctors talked malarky at me. (They
> kept telling me I was dehydrated. In fact, I didn't have enough salts,
> and it was the lack of salts that kept me from absorbing the water
> already in my gut! Restarting that little balance isn't so easy, but
> once I figured out what went wrong, I had a chance.)
>
> The true medical tradition (mad doctors?) is for doctors to try
> their ideas on themselves first; and if they survive, then their
> patients. Same principle as the captain being the last one to step off
> the sinking ship -- he's responsible for everyone else, so it's his duty
> to put their lives first.
>
> -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
> CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
> Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
> My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
> I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
>
> For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
> orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
> Today's Art Photo
> Chem / Fungus allergies
> Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
> Arthritis
> Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained.
> Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Mar 11 04:00:17 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Mar 10 21:00:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] homeopathic medicines
In-Reply-To: <3rr04g$iibhc2@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> from
"samuelmorris@charter.net" at Mar 11, 2005 03:43:53 AM
Message-ID: <20050311040017.99469.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> Did you know that homeopathic medicines actually perform above the
> standards of alopathic medicines and offer cures for items alopathic
> medicines can only conceal but were largely disregarded due to personal
> conflicts and biased opinions of currently predominate alopathic doctors. My
Homeopathic medicines have a good track record. Whether that is
better or worse than the aleopathic medicines, I don't know, but would
suspect that the harm rate is lower.
> advice is to find a doctor who practices both ( a rare find ) and see what they
> have to say. My wife was having a horrible time with an infection and sinuses.
> She was treated with a combination of both (homeopathic medicines are
> harder to find but relitively inexspensive) and as a result the illness subsided
> quickly and her immune system was strenghtened... also why would a rouge
> doctor admit to it?
The latest Bolen Report http://www.bolenreport.com/ has a piece on
sniffing sodium ascorbate for sinus problems. I think I am going to try
it soon. for the past 30 years, I've slept with some kind of hat or
something covering my forehead. Whenever I omit that, I get a sinus
headache.
I guess even mad scientists get sick and have health insurance
problems... Does that mean we are human?
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
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Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 21:23:26 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Mar 10 22:23:34 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Unconventional wisdom, (with my addition).
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050311052326.34636.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk, and others;
I haven't had very much free time today, to
respond.
I am near sighted, and my glasses don't
sit perfect on my face, due to the f-----g nose
pieces.
The nose pieces are as irritating as hell,
they always shifted, constantly, before I got
them into the position that they sit on my
face, currently.
Also, another thing regaring my eyesight as
it currently is;
One of my eyes is stronger than the other
eye, because of the problem that I ran in to
when I had my other glasses, before I was
able to get the pair that I currently own.
One of the lenses of my former pair of
glasses kept falling out, before I got the
glasses that I presently have.
I need to go.
I've gotta try to get some sleep before work
tomorrow.
I work on weekends.
Also, at the moment, my heart stress is
high.
I also experimented with herbal teas, when
I was still using Clonazepam; Chamomile,
Sleepy Time, Green Tea; and there are
some others that I tried too, that I will
mention later.
They don't do a damned bit of good, except
Lavendar, but Lavendar doesn't do a whole
hell of a lot.
Chamomile, and Sleepy Time helped for a
while, when I was taking Clonazepam, but
they don't do jack shit now, and Green Tea
didn't do shit, either, except to increase my
heart stress.
I hope I haven't been poisoned by these teas,
as well as the other teas, too.
Sincerely,
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> I hope this message didn't come across
> wrong.
> It is just the institutional doctors of
> mainstream, and the prescription drugs;
> Like you said; the doctors only go by the
> book.
> The doctors of mainstream aren't open
> to alternative possibilities because of
> their control dogmas.
> I feel like I am in survival mode, right
> now.
You never said how (or if) nearsighted you are.
We are all in survival mode. Some a little closer to the edge than
others; but as they say, we are all a few paychecks away from disaster,
and illness is one way of suffering a disaster.
But till we are hanging off that edge and unsatisfied with
conventional medicine, none of us is willing to experiment.
What we need is, taking a leaf from the Open Source / Linux
movement, something more like open source medicine.
Well, I've got news for you, that exists! Many of the biochemical
pathways are known and a chart can be bought. Web pages exist listing
symptoms of over and under consumption of amino acids and vitamins.
And the internet ties them all together.
The Chart is named "Biochemical Pathways", Gerhard Michal, Editor,
buy Boehringer Mannheim. You can buy it at the Sanford Bookstore
(usually in stock) or order it through most book stores.
Like Linux, it does take a little learning to use; but it saved my
life a few times when urgent care doctors talked malarky at me. (They
kept telling me I was dehydrated. In fact, I didn't have enough salts,
and it was the lack of salts that kept me from absorbing the water
already in my gut! Restarting that little balance isn't so easy, but
once I figured out what went wrong, I had a chance.)
The true medical tradition (mad doctors?) is for doctors to try
their ideas on themselves first; and if they survive, then their
patients. Same principle as the captain being the last one to step off
the sinking ship -- he's responsible for everyone else, so it's his duty
to put their lives first.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Mar 10 23:58:21 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Unconventional wisdom, (with my addition).
In-Reply-To: <20050311052326.34636.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 10, 2005 09:23:26 PM
Message-ID: <20050311065817.71882.qmail@mall-net.com>
> One of my eyes is stronger than the other
> eye, because of the problem that I ran in to
> when I had my other glasses, before I was
> able to get the pair that I currently own.
Maybe it is time to block one eye some of the time. My problem was
so bad I'd block off one eye. I would usually walk through doors
sideways because I didn't know with enough accuracy where the frame was.
This all went away when I got contacts. Yes, a problem. Yes, my
eyelids never really adapted, but... my stress just went away!
That was me. 20:800 vision with coke-bottle lenses. I don't know
how bad your vision is. Much above 20;300, one starts having correction
problems, from what I hear. Personally, I think it well before then!
Another friend had similar problems and had gone to contacts.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 07:28:11 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Mar 11 08:28:20 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Unconventional wisdom, (with my addition).
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050311152811.84017.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
I haven't taken note of the extent of how
bad my eyesight is, currently.
I did wear contact lenses at one time,
but I have got to the point now, where I
just don't have the patience to maintain
them anymore, so I no longer wear
them.
I decided to wear glasses again.
If I could afford it, I would get laser eye
surgery; (or the other type of eye
surgery that I can't remember what it
is called).
Also, I need to answer your question
that you asked in another response
regarding if I am exposed to open
natural gas burning, and if I live with a
fireplace too.
The natural gas water heater is the
only natural gas appliance that I
currently have, and it is out in a closet,
in the garage, and I am pretty well
certain that it has proper ventillation.
This house doesn't have a fireplace; it
was built without one, which is good.
The air quality in this house is terrible
though, and is something that I have
wanted to deal with, for a hell of a
long time now, but I just don't have the
money resources to obtain a high
quality, industrial duty, air purification
system.
I also need a humidifer, for the winter
months too.
I want to master my environment,
because I am sick and tired of it.
Both the exo environment, as well as
the endo (myself) environment too.
I want absolute control of my existance,
and my immediate reality.
The air quality is so bad in this cursed
house, and it was just as bad in the
place that I lived before, that the dust
is really thickly coated, on all of my
studio electronic equipment, yet there
isn't a damned thing that I can do
about it, and I am frustrated as hell,
because of it, because of time and
money.
Now I am back once again, here,
emphasizing the curses of time and
money.
Time and money really screw things
up, and it never ends.
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> One of my eyes is stronger than the other
> eye, because of the problem that I ran in to
> when I had my other glasses, before I was
> able to get the pair that I currently own.
Maybe it is time to block one eye some of the time. My problem was
so bad I'd block off one eye. I would usually walk through doors
sideways because I didn't know with enough accuracy where the frame was.
This all went away when I got contacts. Yes, a problem. Yes, my
eyelids never really adapted, but... my stress just went away!
That was me. 20:800 vision with coke-bottle lenses. I don't know
how bad your vision is. Much above 20;300, one starts having correction
problems, from what I hear. Personally, I think it well before then!
Another friend had similar problems and had gone to contacts.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 16:06:54 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Mar 11 17:07:26 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] My revised response for Javilk.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050312000655.3062.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
I haven't taken note of the extent of how
bad my eyesight is, currently.
I did wear contact lenses at one time,
but I have got to the point now, where I
just don't have the patience to maintain
them anymore, so I no longer wear
them.
I decided to wear glasses again.
If I could afford it, I would get laser eye
surgery; (or the other type of eye
surgery that I can't remember what it
is called).
Also, I need to answer your question
that you asked in another response
regarding if I am exposed to open
natural gas burning, and if I live with a
fireplace too.
The natural gas water heater is the
only natural gas appliance that I
currently have, and it is out in a closet,
in the garage, and I am pretty well
certain that it has proper ventillation.
This house doesn't have a fireplace; it
was built without one, which is good.
The air quality in this house is terrible
though, and is something that I have
wanted to deal with, for a hell of a
long time now, but I just don't have the
money resources to obtain a high
quality, industrial duty, air purification
system.
I also need a humidifer, for the winter
months too.
I want to master my environment,
because I am sick and tired of it.
Both the exo environment, as well as
the endo (myself) environment too.
I want absolute control of my existance,
and my immediate reality.
The air quality is so bad in this cursed
house, and it was just as bad in the
place that I lived before, that the dust
is really thickly coated, on all of my
studio electronic equipment, yet there
isn't a damned thing that I can do
about it, and I am frustrated as hell,
because of it, because of time and
money.
Now I am back once again, here,
emphasizing the curses of time and
money.
Time and money really screw things
up, and it never ends.
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Mar 11 19:06:28 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE?
Message-ID: <20050312020619.82734.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE?
CLYDE
CLYDELOFTON@YAHOO.COM
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 19:08:21 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Fri Mar 11 20:08:30 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050312030821.72151.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
Yes, we are out there.
"...Hi! this is Bob. I'm not in my right mind at the
moment, but if you leave your name, number, time you
called, reason you called, birth sign, level of
educational attainment, list of skills, criminal
record, civilian ID number, applicable permit #s,
housing and zoning ID, dietary restrictions, and
religious affiliations, I promise to try and contact
you as soon as I can make sense of all of your
data..." *BEEP*
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE?
>
> CLYDE
> CLYDELOFTON@YAHOO.COM
>
>
>
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 19:08:21 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Fri Mar 11 20:08:31 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050312030821.72151.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
Yes, we are out there.
"...Hi! this is Bob. I'm not in my right mind at the
moment, but if you leave your name, number, time you
called, reason you called, birth sign, level of
educational attainment, list of skills, criminal
record, civilian ID number, applicable permit #s,
housing and zoning ID, dietary restrictions, and
religious affiliations, I promise to try and contact
you as soon as I can make sense of all of your
data..." *BEEP*
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE?
>
> CLYDE
> CLYDELOFTON@YAHOO.COM
>
>
>
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 19:19:27 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Mar 11 20:19:39 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] My revised response for Javilk.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050312031927.99677.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Robert,
I guess I might not have been thinking perfectly
straight, when I typed up this other e-mail,
since I am having more sleep deprivation now.
Maybe I was thinking straight, and this isn't the
place to talk about certain things that I brought
up in this other e-mail.
If there isn't anything good to talk about, I will
just stay on the sidelines, and watch.
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
clyde lofton wrote:
Javilk,
I haven't taken note of the extent of how
bad my eyesight is, currently.
I did wear contact lenses at one time,
but I have got to the point now, where I
just don't have the patience to maintain
them anymore, so I no longer wear
them.
I decided to wear glasses again.
If I could afford it, I would get laser eye
surgery; (or the other type of eye
surgery that I can't remember what it
is called).
Also, I need to answer your question
that you asked in another response
regarding if I am exposed to open
natural gas burning, and if I live with a
fireplace too.
The natural gas water heater is the
only natural gas appliance that I
currently have, and it is out in a closet,
in the garage, and I am pretty well
certain that it has proper ventillation.
This house doesn't have a fireplace; it
was built without one, which is good.
The air quality in this house is terrible
though, and is something that I have
wanted to deal with, for a hell of a
long time now, but I just don't have the
money resources to obtain a high
quality, industrial duty, air purification
system.
I also need a humidifer, for the winter
months too.
I want to master my environment,
because I am sick and tired of it.
Both the exo environment, as well as
the endo (myself) environment too.
I want absolute control of my existance,
and my immediate reality.
The air quality is so bad in this cursed
house, and it was just as bad in the
place that I lived before, that the dust
is really thickly coated, on all of my
studio electronic equipment, yet there
isn't a damned thing that I can do
about it, and I am frustrated as hell,
because of it, because of time and
money.
Now I am back once again, here,
emphasizing the curses of time and
money.
Time and money really screw things
up, and it never ends.
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 19:33:45 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Fri Mar 11 20:33:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] My revised response for Javilk.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050312033345.58342.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
1.) I would suggest drinking a lot more water
(filtered, if you can) each day.
2.) do what you can to get more sleep. It's very hard
to be a successful mad scientist when the number keep
blurring before your eyes.
3.) I guess the only way to figure out what isn't
appropriate is to talk about a subject, and then gauge
the reactions.
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> Robert,
>
> I guess I might not have been thinking perfectly
> straight, when I typed up this other e-mail,
> since I am having more sleep deprivation now.
> Maybe I was thinking straight, and this isn't the
> place to talk about certain things that I brought
> up in this other e-mail.
> If there isn't anything good to talk about, I will
> just stay on the sidelines, and watch.
>
> Clyde
> clydelofton@yahoo.com
>
>
> clyde lofton wrote:
>
> Javilk,
>
> I haven't taken note of the extent of how
> bad my eyesight is, currently.
> I did wear contact lenses at one time,
> but I have got to the point now, where I
> just don't have the patience to maintain
> them anymore, so I no longer wear
> them.
> I decided to wear glasses again.
> If I could afford it, I would get laser eye
> surgery; (or the other type of eye
> surgery that I can't remember what it
> is called).
> Also, I need to answer your question
> that you asked in another response
> regarding if I am exposed to open
> natural gas burning, and if I live with a
> fireplace too.
> The natural gas water heater is the
> only natural gas appliance that I
> currently have, and it is out in a closet,
> in the garage, and I am pretty well
> certain that it has proper ventillation.
> This house doesn't have a fireplace; it
> was built without one, which is good.
> The air quality in this house is terrible
> though, and is something that I have
> wanted to deal with, for a hell of a
> long time now, but I just don't have the
> money resources to obtain a high
> quality, industrial duty, air purification
> system.
> I also need a humidifer, for the winter
> months too.
> I want to master my environment,
> because I am sick and tired of it.
> Both the exo environment, as well as
> the endo (myself) environment too.
> I want absolute control of my existance,
> and my immediate reality.
> The air quality is so bad in this cursed
> house, and it was just as bad in the
> place that I lived before, that the dust
> is really thickly coated, on all of my
> studio electronic equipment, yet there
> isn't a damned thing that I can do
> about it, and I am frustrated as hell,
> because of it, because of time and
> money.
> Now I am back once again, here,
> emphasizing the curses of time and
> money.
> Time and money really screw things
> up, and it never ends.
>
> Clyde
> clydelofton@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 20:10:48 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Mar 11 21:10:56 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk, and Bob.
Message-ID: <20050312041049.51279.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk, and Bob,
If I don't talk to both of you again, here
is my thank you, for your helping me
out.
This is still, for me, a very cool website;
one of the best sites I have ever visited!
Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Mar 12 04:53:00 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Mar 11 21:53:02 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk, and Bob.
In-Reply-To: <20050312041049.51279.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 11, 2005 08:10:48 PM
Message-ID: <20050312045300.8959.qmail@mall-net.com>
> If I don't talk to both of you again, here
> is my thank you, for your helping me
> out.
Clyde, we do care about you. You can get through these problems. I
spent several years on a respirator, barely able to walk, falling over,
etc. Everyone thought I would die; but I didn't. After that, I spent
nearly 20 years doing a lot of neat stuff in Silicon Valley.
You can make it. It's worth hanging on. There can be many good
days ahead if you do.
> This is still, for me, a very cool website;
> one of the best sites I have ever visited!
Besides, you didn't send us the URL. Why don't you put it off for
a month, so that every day you can say you have to do this eventually.
Find something you really want to see in a year or two. Set it as
a goal. Then hang on till you can see it.
I'm going to build some crazy velociraptor robots this summer. Do
you want to see them? I'll put the pictures on the web. Maybe you can
bug me so I actually do it this time.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 21:16:38 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Mar 11 22:16:50 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk, and Bob.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050312051638.89554.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> If I don't talk to both of you again, here
> is my thank you, for your helping me
> out.
Clyde, we do care about you. You can get through these problems. I
spent several years on a respirator, barely able to walk, falling over,
etc. Everyone thought I would die; but I didn't. After that, I spent
nearly 20 years doing a lot of neat stuff in Silicon Valley.
You can make it. It's worth hanging on. There can be many good
days ahead if you do.
> This is still, for me, a very cool website;
> one of the best sites I have ever visited!
Besides, you didn't send us the URL. Why don't you put it off for
a month, so that every day you can say you have to do this eventually.
WHAT URL ARE YOU REFERRING TO?
I DON'T REMEMBER MAKING ANY PROMISE OF SENDING A URL?
Find something you really want to see in a year or two. Set it as
a goal. Then hang on till you can see it.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE A VACATION, AND VISIT THE CORAL CASTLE, IN HOMESTEAD
FLORIDA, IN ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW, IF THINGS GO WELL FOR ME.
I'm going to build some crazy velociraptor robots this summer. Do
you want to see them? I'll put the pictures on the web. Maybe you can
bug me so I actually do it this time.
SHURE, IF YOU THINK YOU CAN BUILD THEM.
I WISH I COULD BUILD AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, SIMILAR TO MAX
HEADROOM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I WILL 'MOST LIKELY' NEVER BE
ABLE TO DO.
EVER SINCE I FIRST SAW THAT CREATIVE TELEVISION SERIES; I HAVE
HAD SOME INTEREST IN A.I.
SINCERELY, CLYDE
CLYDELOFTON@YAHOO.COM
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Mar 11 23:34:28 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE?
In-Reply-To: <20050312030821.72151.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at Mar 11, 2005 07:08:21 PM
Message-ID: <20050312063425.25173.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Yes, we are out there.
>
> "...Hi! this is Bob. I'm not in my right mind at the
> moment, but if you leave your name, number, time you
> called, reason you called, birth sign, level of
> educational attainment, list of skills, criminal
> record, civilian ID number, applicable permit #s,
> housing and zoning ID, dietary restrictions, and
> religious affiliations, I promise to try and contact
> you as soon as I can make sense of all of your
> data..." *BEEP*
LAUGHING!!!!
Ohhhh ohhhhhh...
(easy now, easy now...)
My ribs hurt. Thanks! It was worth it!
This is goood cardiovascular excercise! Latest medical reports say
we need 15 minutes of heavy laughter each day.
Thankyou.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Mar 12 06:48:14 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Mar 11 23:48:16 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Unconventional wisdom, (with my addition).
In-Reply-To: <20050311152811.84017.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 11, 2005 07:28:11 AM
Message-ID: <20050312064814.57914.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I haven't taken note of the extent of how
> bad my eyesight is, currently.
> I did wear contact lenses at one time,
> but I have got to the point now, where I
> just don't have the patience to maintain
> them anymore, so I no longer wear
> them.
Well, were you calmer then? Did things build up since you switched
back to glasses?
> I decided to wear glasses again.
> If I could afford it, I would get laser eye
> surgery; (or the other type of eye
> surgery that I can't remember what it
> is called).
Laser eye surgery weakens the eye, and can cause blurring at high
er altitudes. Plus, it does not alway work well. I worked with one
gentleman who had a failed laser eye surgery. Fortunately, they only
did one eye at a time them... He sees rainbows, fuzzy images, etc.
through that eye.
> Also, I need to answer your question
> that you asked in another response
> regarding if I am exposed to open
> natural gas burning, and if I live with a
> fireplace too.
> The natural gas water heater is the
> only natural gas appliance that I
> currently have, and it is out in a closet,
> in the garage, and I am pretty well
> certain that it has proper ventillation.
That does not always work. Ours was in a closet as well. When the
wind blew the wrong way... I woke up tense, tingling lips and fingers.
I figured it out.
> The air quality in this house is terrible
> though, and is something that I have
> wanted to deal with, for a hell of a
> long time now, but I just don't have the
> money resources to obtain a high
> quality, industrial duty, air purification
> system.
Gases from auto and such are not easily handled by filtration,
even if activated carbon and permanganate filters are used.
> I also need a humidifer, for the winter
> months too.
Get a hot water humidifier, not an ultrasonic or nebulizer type.
Hard water used in nebulizers will create microscopic spicules which
will exceed EPA limits for work place dust.
We hung towels into trays of water by the hot air vents.
> I want to master my environment,
> because I am sick and tired of it.
The best and simplest way to master the environment, is to find one
that does not need to be mastered that much, and move. As I did.
> Both the exo environment, as well as
> the endo (myself) environment too.
> I want absolute control of my existance,
> and my immediate reality.
This is simply not possible, nor feasible. Costs rise exponentially
as one approaches perfection.
> The air quality is so bad in this cursed
> house, and it was just as bad in the
> place that I lived before, that the dust
> is really thickly coated, on all of my
> studio electronic equipment, yet there
> isn't a damned thing that I can do
> about it, and I am frustrated as hell,
> because of it, because of time and
> money.
Many of use allergic people had to move to better environments.
I'd suggest you explore contact lenses again as that is easier,
then explore where you could move to, or even spend a week or two away
from your home environment, and see if, or how much better you feel.
> Now I am back once again, here,
> emphasizing the curses of time and
> money.
> Time and money really screw things
> up, and it never ends.
The art of life is how we handle these. You need to wash that
canvas with some light tints before adding the vibrant colors of mad
science. Art, you know.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 21:20:31 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Mar 12 22:21:16 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Unconventional wisdom, (with my addition).
In-Reply-To: <20050312064814.57914.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050313052031.96172.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> I haven't taken note of the extent of how
> bad my eyesight is, currently.
> I did wear contact lenses at one time,
> but I have got to the point now, where I
> just don't have the patience to maintain
> them anymore, so I no longer wear
> them.
Well, were you calmer then? Did things build up since you switched
back to glasses?
THINGS HAVE BUILT UP SINCE I SWITCHED BACK TO GLASSES, BUT
I DON'T THINK THAT GLASSES ARE ENTIRELY RESPONSIBLE FOR
THAT BEING THE CASE THOUGH.
> I decided to wear glasses again.
> If I could afford it, I would get laser eye
> surgery; (or the other type of eye
> surgery that I can't remember what it
> is called).
Laser eye surgery weakens the eye, and can cause blurring at high
er altitudes. Plus, it does not alway work well. I worked with one
gentleman who had a failed laser eye surgery. Fortunately, they only
did one eye at a time them... He sees rainbows, fuzzy images, etc.
through that eye.
> Also, I need to answer your question
> that you asked in another response
> regarding if I am exposed to open
> natural gas burning, and if I live with a
> fireplace too.
> The natural gas water heater is the
> only natural gas appliance that I
> currently have, and it is out in a closet,
> in the garage, and I am pretty well
> certain that it has proper ventillation.
That does not always work. Ours was in a closet as well. When the
wind blew the wrong way... I woke up tense, tingling lips and fingers.
I figured it out.
I WOKE UP DURING THE NIGHT, YESTERDAY NIGHT, AND MY
NEUROLOGY AND CARDIOLOGY, WERE BOTH GOING AS FAST AS
FAST CAN BE, AND I ALSO NEEDED TO URINATE BADLY, BUT I DRANK
SOME (FILTERED) WATER BEFORE I WENT TO BED.
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HAVING TO BE DEPENDENT UPON
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.
I BOUGHT A BOTTLE OF NIACIN, AND HAVE TRIED IT TWICE.
THE FIRST TIME THAT I TRIED IT, A SHORT WHILE LATER, AND I FELT
LIKE THERE WAS NUCLEAR ENERGY RADIATING FROM MY SKULL.
IT WAS SORT OF A 'COOL' FEELING.
THE LADY THAT HELPED ME, AT THE LOCAL HEALTH FOOD STORE,
SAID THAT NIACIN EFFECTS SOME PEOPLE TO WHERE THEIR SKIN
FLUSHES RED AFTER THEY TAKE NIACIN.
> The air quality in this house is terrible
> though, and is something that I have
> wanted to deal with, for a hell of a
> long time now, but I just don't have the
> money resources to obtain a high
> quality, industrial duty, air purification
> system.
Gases from auto and such are not easily handled by filtration,
even if activated carbon and permanganate filters are used.
> I also need a humidifer, for the winter
> months too.
Get a hot water humidifier, not an ultrasonic or nebulizer type.
Hard water used in nebulizers will create microscopic spicules which
will exceed EPA limits for work place dust.
THANKS FOR THE INFO.
I ALSO NEED A DEHUMIDIFIER, FOR THE SUMMER TOO, FOR MY
STUDIO, AND BROADCASTING EQUIPMENT.
We hung towels into trays of water by the hot air vents.
> I want to master my environment,
> because I am sick and tired of it.
The best and simplest way to master the environment, is to find one
that does not need to be mastered that much, and move. As I did.
THIS CITY THAT I LIVE IN, IS A PRISON.
TULSA IS BUILT ON A SINK HOLE.
> Both the exo environment, as well as
> the endo (myself) environment too.
> I want absolute control of my existance,
> and my immediate reality.
This is simply not possible, nor feasible. Costs rise exponentially
as one approaches perfection.
> The air quality is so bad in this cursed
> house, and it was just as bad in the
> place that I lived before, that the dust
> is really thickly coated, on all of my
> studio electronic equipment, yet there
> isn't a damned thing that I can do
> about it, and I am frustrated as hell,
> because of it, because of time and
> money.
Many of use allergic people had to move to better environments.
I'd suggest you explore contact lenses again as that is easier,
then explore where you could move to, or even spend a week or two away
from your home environment, and see if, or how much better you feel.
> Now I am back once again, here,
> emphasizing the curses of time and
> money.
> Time and money really screw things
> up, and it never ends.
The art of life is how we handle these. You need to wash that
canvas with some light tints before adding the vibrant colors of mad
science. Art, you know.
MAYBE I AM MORE OF AN ARTIST.
MAYBE I WILL NEVER BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS BILL GATES, BURT RUTAN,
OZZY OSBOURNE, OR DEAN KAMEN.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Mar 12 23:04:26 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Unconventional wisdom, (with my addition).
In-Reply-To: <20050313052031.96172.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 12, 2005 09:20:31 PM
Message-ID: <20050313060422.53156.qmail@mall-net.com>
> THINGS HAVE BUILT UP SINCE I SWITCHED BACK TO GLASSES, BUT
> I DON'T THINK THAT GLASSES ARE ENTIRELY RESPONSIBLE FOR
> THAT BEING THE CASE THOUGH.
Maybe not entirely, but they could be part of the problem. till I
tried contacts, I didn't believe they could change much.
> I WOKE UP DURING THE NIGHT, YESTERDAY NIGHT, AND MY
> NEUROLOGY AND CARDIOLOGY, WERE BOTH GOING AS FAST AS
> FAST CAN BE, AND I ALSO NEEDED TO URINATE BADLY, BUT I DRANK
> SOME (FILTERED) WATER BEFORE I WENT TO BED.
You might possibly find these two links interesting.
About Carbon Monoxide: http://www.avweb.com/news/aeromed/186016-1.html
A good detector:
http://www.aeromedix.com/index.php?_siteid=aeromedix&action=cat&catid=co
> I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HAVING TO BE DEPENDENT UPON
> PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.
>
> I BOUGHT A BOTTLE OF NIACIN, AND HAVE TRIED IT TWICE.
> THE FIRST TIME THAT I TRIED IT, A SHORT WHILE LATER, AND I FELT
> LIKE THERE WAS NUCLEAR ENERGY RADIATING FROM MY SKULL.
> IT WAS SORT OF A 'COOL' FEELING.
Yes... And after using a fair bit for a few days, you might find
yourself calmer.
> THE LADY THAT HELPED ME, AT THE LOCAL HEALTH FOOD STORE,
> SAID THAT NIACIN EFFECTS SOME PEOPLE TO WHERE THEIR SKIN
> FLUSHES RED AFTER THEY TAKE NIACIN.
Almost all people feel this at some level, particularly the first
day or two of use. A good balance between vitamin C and Niacin can be
amazing! But it depends upon YOUR system.
> THIS CITY THAT I LIVE IN, IS A PRISON.
> TULSA IS BUILT ON A SINK HOLE.
See if you can go somewhere else for a week or two. If your
problems are allergies, you will feel much better.
> Many of use allergic people had to move to better environments.
> The art of life is how we handle these. You need to wash that
> canvas with some light tints before adding the vibrant colors of mad
> science. Art, you know.
>
> MAYBE I AM MORE OF AN ARTIST.
> MAYBE I WILL NEVER BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS BILL GATES, BURT RUTAN,
> OZZY OSBOURNE, OR DEAN KAMEN.
(Don't know about the last two.)
The first success, is being reasonably comfortable with whom you
are. Not too comfortable, for "happy people don't make history;" but
not so uncomfortable that success will prompt you to try to change
yourself till you destroy that which made you successful. As so many
of those who gain a fabulous windfall do!
They say that to survive hard (medical) times, you need the
following:
Good friends whom you can talk to, who will encourage you.
A good doctor whom you respect, but more one whom you treat as a
partner, not a god.
A project which serves as a goal, something you want to get done so
much so that it makes you want to live.
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun Mar 13 19:00:25 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A permanent vacation.
Message-ID: <20050314015947.50354.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
I need a permanent vacation.
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Mar 17 18:18:22 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Await your reply/further questions, order.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050318011722.5490.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
clyde lofton wrote:
Dr. Brotman,
Sorry I did not respond sooner.
The internet is like a researcher's
playground, and when one
discovers a new topic, one can
go an omnidirectional amount of
directions; as is the case for me.
I currently do not have the money
that it would take, to purchase
the Alpha-Stim 100, Microcurrent
Stimulator unit.
I am searching for other
alternatives too, like vitamins,
which have not had tremendous
effect upon me, and also
electromagnetic brainwave
entrainment, which has certain
risks that one has to take into
account, and to study the
possibilties of what could go
wrong.
After looking at how mental
institutions used to treat patients,
in the days of old, it just goes to
show that the doctors of old, were
sado-masochistic idiots.
They should have listened to
Nikola Tesla, and not Thomas
Edison, when it came to the so-
-called electroshock therapy.
Thomas Edison was a patent
pirate, and I have no love for
Edison, or for the General Electric
Company.
Sincerely, Clyde Lofton
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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Dear Clyde Lofton,
Nice speaking with you on the phone.
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Mar 18 19:53:54 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Frequency warping weblinks.
Message-ID: <20050319025341.40117.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
Weblinks to share:
1.) http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jos/jospubs.html
2.) http://www.faqs.org/docs/sp/sp-60.html
3.) http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~unski/FreqW.html
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 20:29:52 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Mar 18 21:30:00 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Frequency warping weblinks.
Message-ID: <20050319042952.22136.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
Mr. Korthals,
I was able to go back today, to review the mad
scientists membership directory list, and
noticed that you are a studier of electronics,
and are studying superheterodyning, and were
thinking about getting a book on Fourier.
Some of my interests lie in radio broadcasting,
and radio experimentation, and I am a radio
amateur too.
I also have interests in analog modular sound
synthesizers; not for the creation of music, but
for the creation of sound effects.
I currently own a Synthesis Technology MOTM
modular synthesizer, and its sole purpose will
be, to be used as part of a special audio clock,
for my LPFM broadcast station in the future,
if I can break past all of the seemingly endless
red tape of the monopolized broadcast
mainstream.
I have had basic electronics education, but not
extensive electronics education.
I am largely self taught, in certain areas.
I would like to read more, about Fourier, but I
am somewhat crippled, since I am not
outstandingly good in mathematics.
Here are some weblinks to share, regarding the
frequency warping of sound, that you might find
interesting:
1.) http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jos/jospubs.html
2.) http://www.faqs.org/docs/sp/sp-60.html
3.) http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~unski/FreqW.html
Sincerely, Clyde Lofton
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Mar 20 00:28:45 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Mar 19 17:28:49 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Aurora Photos
In-Reply-To: <20050319042952.22136.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 18, 2005 08:29:52 PM
Message-ID: <20050320002845.56565.qmail@mall-net.com>
The latest propagation newsletter, forwarded to my by my father who is a
Ham Radio operator, had this link to some exceptional aurora photos.
"With quiet geomagnetic conditions at mid-latitudes, there were still
periods when geomagnetic activity was strong in the Arctic. The
College K index reading from Fairbanks Alaska reached 6 on March 14
and again on March 17. Look at the awesome aurora photos at
http://spaceweather.com/aurora/gallery_01mar05.htm ."
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Mar 20 02:57:54 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Mar 19 19:57:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Frequency warping weblinks.
In-Reply-To: <20050319025341.40117.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 18, 2005 06:53:40 PM
Message-ID: <20050320025754.53991.qmail@mall-net.com>
> 1.) http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jos/jospubs.html
> 2.) http://www.faqs.org/docs/sp/sp-60.html
> 3.) http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~unski/FreqW.html
Maybe I am dense, Clyde; but what is YOUR application?
And within that application, what is YOUR purpose for frequency
warping?
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 13:53:50 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun Mar 20 14:54:50 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: 1.) Stop The Lie .com. And;
2.) American Idiot C.D. cover.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050320215350.43083.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
clyde lofton wrote:
Clyde,
1.) http://stopthelie.com/
2.) http://ocaldeirao.weblogger.terra.com.br/img/americanidiotcd.jpg
Clyde.
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun Mar 20 14:56:10 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Frequency warping weblinks.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050320215602.45467.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
clyde lofton wrote:
Clyde,
Here are three weblinks regarding
the frequency warping of sound.
What do you know about this subject?
Can frequency warping be done, with
analog sound synthesizer equipment,
by altering the frequency time
dimensions, in real time, yet
simultaneously maintaining a distortion
free amplitude of sound, within a
specified amplitude range, and
preventing the overpeaking of the sound
that is generated?
1.) http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jos/jospubs.html
2.) http://www.faqs.org/docs/sp/sp-60.html
3.) http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~unski/FreqW.html
I would like to know your thoughts.
Well Clyde it's been nice talking to myself.
A credit to the dementia.
Thanks sincerely, Clyde Lofton
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun Mar 20 15:17:48 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I have lost my faith in this country.
Message-ID: <20050320221741.42734.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
I have lost my faith in this country.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Mar 20 22:31:31 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Mar 20 15:31:34 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I have lost my faith in this country.
In-Reply-To: <20050320221741.42734.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 20, 2005 02:17:41 PM
Message-ID: <20050320223132.26192.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I have lost my faith in this country.
You know, Clyde, most of the other nations are worse. Corruption,
nepotism, bribe collection, etc. is rampant in the Middle East, Far East,
South America, etc. Europe tends to demand a lot more taxes and permits
to do anything.
So it kind of makes it look like the USA is a better place. After
all, people in just about every nation on earth want to come to America.
Just look at our illegal immigrant problems. These people are voting
FOR America with their feet, and often risking their lives to do so.
Kind of says something, no?
Of course I'm biased. My parents voted with their feet. I thank
my father for that vote every Father's Day. Those relatives who didn't,
didn't live long, never mind comfortably.
But what, specifically, is causing you to doubt this is the best
place in the world? Is it something you haven't tried or have not been
encouraged to try?
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Mar 20 23:28:02 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Mar 20 16:28:03 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I have lost my faith in this country.
In-Reply-To: <20050320221741.42734.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 20, 2005 02:17:41 PM
Message-ID: <20050320232802.58077.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I have lost my faith in this country.
Looking at the crap at the URLs you sent us, I can see why!
Mostly stop-lie is a bunch of propaganda and mis-information. You
can find all kinds of crap on the internet. No longer does the local
loonie have to stand on the street corner handing out flyers, he can far
more easily set it up on the internet. What's more, people don't see
that he's wearing worn, torn, threatbare clothes proving that he doesn't
know how to earn a living, much less how the world works.
People like that are literally hopeless. They don't WANT to do the
work needed to make money. We have plenty of them up here in the
mountains! Drunks and dope smokers who have concluded you can't get
ahead, and so have stopped TRYING!
In contrast, Silicon Valley has more millionares than any other
part of the country. Why? Most of these people were not born rich. In
fact, many of them fled from other countries with practically nothing in
their pockets. They made their because they were willing to invest in
themselves, invest in their ideas, and make things that HELPED OTHER
PEOPLE! They created companies to make things or provide services OTHER
PEOPLE WANTED!
A corporation can't steal your money. You make decisions about what
you want to buy in the market place. You don't have to buy their crap if
you think it's crap! Rare is it that there is only one vendor for
something. And if there is only one, then not for long!
Those who didn't have faith in themselves, didn't invest in
themselves, often blame it on the lord or other people. How better to
explain your failure, than to blame some vast conspiracy against which
you are utterly powerless!
The problem with blaming someone else, is you never TRY to dig
youself out of the hole you made! Sure, it's hard! Most who try fail
the first few times. But you will never succeed if you don't TRY and
KEEP ON TRYING!!!
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 15:40:13 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun Mar 20 16:40:21 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I have lost my faith in this country.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050320234013.62638.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> I have lost my faith in this country.
You know, Clyde, most of the other nations are worse. Corruption,
nepotism, bribe collection, etc. is rampant in the Middle East, Far East,
South America, etc. Europe tends to demand a lot more taxes and permits
to do anything.
It doesn't make sense to me why Bush wants to continuously stir up a
hornet's nest in the middle east, and cause all other nations to have an
ever growing hatred for this fucked country.
So it kind of makes it look like the USA is a better place. After
all, people in just about every nation on earth want to come to America.
Just look at our illegal immigrant problems. These people are voting
FOR America with their feet, and often risking their lives to do so.
Kind of says something, no?
Yes, I seem to be busting my ass, just for a shitload of illegal mexicans
here in Tulsa Oklahoma, while being pissed off as hell about all of the
garbage that my workplace sells, imported from communist crap
shoddy shit China; maybe I am only having a delusion?
Of course I'm biased. My parents voted with their feet. I thank
my father for that vote every Father's Day. Those relatives who didn't,
didn't live long, never mind comfortably.
I am no longer biased.
I originally voted for Bush Jr. for his first term, but did not vote for him, or
for Kerry either, in the second term.
They are both worthless.
Iraq is a worthless war, and so was Afghanistan.
Even though Clinton enriched the economy, he was otherwise no good at
all.
Clinton, Bush, and Kerry are all three draft dodgers if I am not mistaken.
I reject the new American Empire.
Republicans and Democrats are no good anymore.
I am an Independent now, but was a Republican at the time of the first vote for
Bush.
But what, specifically, is causing you to doubt this is the best
place in the world? Is it something you haven't tried or have not been
encouraged to try?
Resources.
I am always low on resources with no hope at all ever, of ever being able to
permanently get ahead in life.
What are your thoughts on the following websites?
:
1.) http://www.bushin30seconds.org
2.) http://www.pushhamburger.com/
Evidently, this country is all about greed and money now, unless I am mistaken?
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Mar 20 17:19:43 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I have lost my faith in this country.
In-Reply-To: <20050320234013.62638.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 20, 2005 03:40:13 PM
Message-ID: <20050321001939.87140.qmail@mall-net.com>
Our role in progress further down.
First, some comments on your links.
> It doesn't make sense to me why Bush wants to continuously stir up a
> hornet's nest in the middle east, and cause all other nations to have an
> ever growing hatred for this fucked country.
Who acted first? Bush? Or Saddam? Saddam invaded Kuwait. Saddam
gave rewards to the families of those who killed themselves blowing
others up. There was evidence he had weapons of mass destruction. Maybe
the evidence was bluff, maybe there were real weapons of mass
destruction. Certainly some evidence and deaths of our soldiers
suggests there were some odd things.
Would it have been prudent to wait till Saddam attacked more
nations, setting the whole area aflame in war? I think not.
> Yes, I seem to be busting my ass, just for a shitload of illegal mexicans
> here in Tulsa Oklahoma, while being pissed off as hell about all of the
> garbage that my workplace sells, imported from communist crap
> shoddy shit China; maybe I am only having a delusion?
Maybe people are not smart enough to buy quality? Many learn.
> I originally voted for Bush Jr. for his first term, but did not vote for him, or
> for Kerry either, in the second term.
> They are both worthless.
> Iraq is a worthless war, and so was Afghanistan.
> Even though Clinton enriched the economy, he was otherwise no good at
> all.
Clinton made things look good while selling us out.
> Clinton, Bush, and Kerry are all three draft dodgers if I am not mistaken.
Clinton dodged. Kerry served, then denigrated those who did. Bush
volunteered for a program that would have sent him to Viet Nam as a
pilot, but it ended before he got the chance.
> I reject the new American Empire.
We don't have an empire. If we did, we'd be running Afghanistan and
Iraq.
> I am always low on resources with no hope at all ever, of ever being able to
> permanently get ahead in life.
You have a hell of a lot more resources here than those in the
third world countries do! Try! you might surprise yourself at what you
can do,
> What are your thoughts on the following websites?
> 1.) http://www.bushin30seconds.org
A contest site for Bush haters. Come on now, what do you expect to
see there, Truth???
> 2.) http://www.pushhamburger.com/
Nothing new. I remember one political cartoonist was invited to
exhibit his cartoons at a Freedom for the Baltics rally. His employers
forbade his using anything from recent times. His 20 - 30 year old
condemnation of politicians was just as on-the-mark as the recent stuff
we'd seen in the papers.
It isn't Bush. It's people who want for themselves and to hell
with everyone else.
> Evidently, this country is all about greed and money now, unless I am mistaken?
Some greed is good. Taking total advantage of your fellow man is
not admirable in any society.
Look, you can spend all your time finding crap, or dedicate it to
doing better. These who get ahead spend time trying to do better. It's
up to you. Find small things you CAN to do make life better. Step by
step, MAKE life better for yourself and those around you.
This is a list for mad science, not politics. I want this to be a
list which encourages others to TRY things, to try to make sense of
really odd things they saw, and encourage us all to do "great things",
whether they be personal, or public.
Griping about the world going to hell in a hand basket does not
encourage us to try things, does it? We can't improve the world if we
don't try, can we? We can't even improve our own lives if we don't try,
can we???
Impress us with what you can do! Even more important, impress
yourself with what you can do, for that is the only way to truly
inspire yourself.
When I was struggling to create the first web type browser, I
would save some neat and interesting piece I could do for the evening.
every evening, I made sure to end the day's work with some success. It
kept me going for three years of 14 - 18 hour days without any income.
And it kept me alive when everyone else expected me to die of what
looked like a terminal illness. I kept researching that too! And I beat
it!
At one point, my parents came into my room after I had collapsed,
totally paralyzed. My father said that was the end at last. I
hiccuped. I kept hiccuping. my mother looked down at me, and told my
father that it looked like I was trying to move toward the electric
heater. I was moving about one inch per hiccup, and hiccuping
deliberately in effort to get to that heater. Once they saw that, they
opened my shirt and put the heater next to me. If I hadn't tried to
budge that inch, tried over and over and over again, I would have been
left to die.
The browser deal I lost fair and square. But I tried! I have no
regrets about not trying! And that sets the tone for the rest of my life
-- I have no regrets about NOT TRYING! I did try, and will keep on
trying!
Life is about trying. Our scientific experiments, mad or otherwise,
are our efforts to understand the world. We do not expect them all to
succeed. But try we must! For it is odd and mad people like us who
create the future, and drag the rest of the world Forward!
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 16:40:32 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun Mar 20 17:40:45 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] More.
Message-ID: <20050321004032.90477.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
Have you ever heard this song before?
:
*I SAW IT ON T.V.
by: John Fogerty.
They sent us home to watch the show
Comin' on the little screen
A man named Ike was in the White House
Big black limousine
There were many shows to follow
>From Hooter to Doodyville
Though I saw them all
I can't recall
Which cartoon was real
The coonskin caps Yankee bats
The hound Dog Man's big start
The A-bomb fears Annette had ears
I lusted in my heart
A young man from Boston
Set sail The New Frontier
And we watched the dream
Dead-end in Dallas
They buried innocence that year
I know it's true
Oh so true
'Cause I saw it on T.V.
We gathered round to hear the sound
Comin' on the little screen
The grief had passed the old men laughed
And all the girls screamed
Cause four guys from England
Took us all by the hand
It was time to laugh
Time to sing
Time to join the band
But all too soon we hit the Moon
And covered up the sky
They built their bombs
And aimed their guns
And still I don't know why
The dominoes tumbled
And big business roared
Everynight at six
They showed the pictures
And counted up the score
I know its true
Oh so true
'Cause I saw it on T.V.
The old man rocks among his dreams
A prisoner of the porch
The light he says at the end of the tunnel
Was nothin' but a burglar's torch
And them that was caught in the Cover
Are all rich and free
But they chained my mind
To an endless tomb
When they took my only son from me
I know it's true
Oh so true
'Cause I saw it on T.V.*
Javilk,
I grew up in the 80's, and so I haven't been able to
interpret all of this song above, but it is a perfect song.
I was raised in a lower middle class household, with an
abusive dad, and my mind was educated to be a
prison.
I want to break out of that fucking prison, permanently.
If my dad was still alive, I would meet him out in the
street right now, and I would swipe him off of his
fucking legs, and I would pulverize his fucking skull
into the pavement.
I have been successful as of recently, at expanding
a black hole, in my mind, to the point of where it is
traversible.
The black hole represents the past, and it has followed
me all of my years.
If I could, I would sent a nuclear time bomb, with a
short time limit, through the black hole, and would
nuke the fucking past, because I am fucking sick
of its existance.
Clyde
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 17:13:54 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Sun Mar 20 18:14:31 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I have lost my faith in this country.
In-Reply-To: <20050321001939.87140.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050321011354.7867.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com>
Putting aside the politics for the moment...
I agree with you about trying. I am - admittedly
slowly - setting up my shop and myself to carry out a
few projects. I was told multiple times while in
junior high school and school that bright learning
disabled people don't work with science. Supposedly,
they work with art and poetry (which in my humble
opinion defines the term WOMBAT.)
A point for discussion might be how a newbie mad
scientist sets out asking the right questions with
which to start *being* a mad scientist.
Bob
--- javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> Our role in progress further down.
>
> First, some comments on your links.
>
> > It doesn't make sense to me why Bush wants to
> continuously stir up a
> > hornet's nest in the middle east, and cause all
> other nations to have an
> > ever growing hatred for this fucked country.
>
> Who acted first? Bush? Or Saddam? Saddam
> invaded Kuwait. Saddam
> gave rewards to the families of those who killed
> themselves blowing
> others up. There was evidence he had weapons of
> mass destruction. Maybe
> the evidence was bluff, maybe there were real
> weapons of mass
> destruction. Certainly some evidence and deaths of
> our soldiers
> suggests there were some odd things.
>
> Would it have been prudent to wait till Saddam
> attacked more
> nations, setting the whole area aflame in war? I
> think not.
>
> > Yes, I seem to be busting my ass, just for a
> shitload of illegal mexicans
> > here in Tulsa Oklahoma, while being pissed off as
> hell about all of the
> > garbage that my workplace sells, imported from
> communist crap
> > shoddy shit China; maybe I am only having a
> delusion?
>
> Maybe people are not smart enough to buy
> quality? Many learn.
>
> > I originally voted for Bush Jr. for his first
> term, but did not vote for him, or
> > for Kerry either, in the second term.
> > They are both worthless.
> > Iraq is a worthless war, and so was Afghanistan.
> > Even though Clinton enriched the economy, he was
> otherwise no good at
> > all.
>
> Clinton made things look good while selling us
> out.
>
> > Clinton, Bush, and Kerry are all three draft
> dodgers if I am not mistaken.
>
> Clinton dodged. Kerry served, then denigrated
> those who did. Bush
> volunteered for a program that would have sent him
> to Viet Nam as a
> pilot, but it ended before he got the chance.
>
> > I reject the new American Empire.
>
> We don't have an empire. If we did, we'd be
> running Afghanistan and
> Iraq.
>
> > I am always low on resources with no hope at all
> ever, of ever being able to
> > permanently get ahead in life.
>
> You have a hell of a lot more resources here
> than those in the
> third world countries do! Try! you might surprise
> yourself at what you
> can do,
>
> > What are your thoughts on the following websites?
>
> > 1.) http://www.bushin30seconds.org
>
> A contest site for Bush haters. Come on now,
> what do you expect to
> see there, Truth???
>
> > 2.) http://www.pushhamburger.com/
>
> Nothing new. I remember one political
> cartoonist was invited to
> exhibit his cartoons at a Freedom for the Baltics
> rally. His employers
> forbade his using anything from recent times. His
> 20 - 30 year old
> condemnation of politicians was just as on-the-mark
> as the recent stuff
> we'd seen in the papers.
>
> It isn't Bush. It's people who want for
> themselves and to hell
> with everyone else.
>
> > Evidently, this country is all about greed and
> money now, unless I am mistaken?
>
> Some greed is good. Taking total advantage of
> your fellow man is
> not admirable in any society.
>
> Look, you can spend all your time finding crap,
> or dedicate it to
> doing better. These who get ahead spend time trying
> to do better. It's
> up to you. Find small things you CAN to do make
> life better. Step by
> step, MAKE life better for yourself and those around
> you.
>
> This is a list for mad science, not politics. I
> want this to be a
> list which encourages others to TRY things, to try
> to make sense of
> really odd things they saw, and encourage us all to
> do "great things",
> whether they be personal, or public.
>
> Griping about the world going to hell in a hand
> basket does not
> encourage us to try things, does it? We can't
> improve the world if we
> don't try, can we? We can't even improve our own
> lives if we don't try,
> can we???
>
> Impress us with what you can do! Even more
> important, impress
> yourself with what you can do, for that is the only
> way to truly
> inspire yourself.
>
> When I was struggling to create the first web
> type browser, I
> would save some neat and interesting piece I could
> do for the evening.
> every evening, I made sure to end the day's work
> with some success. It
> kept me going for three years of 14 - 18 hour days
> without any income.
> And it kept me alive when everyone else expected me
> to die of what
> looked like a terminal illness. I kept researching
> that too! And I beat
> it!
>
> At one point, my parents came into my room
> after I had collapsed,
> totally paralyzed. My father said that was the end
> at last. I
> hiccuped. I kept hiccuping. my mother looked down
> at me, and told my
> father that it looked like I was trying to move
> toward the electric
> heater. I was moving about one inch per hiccup, and
> hiccuping
> deliberately in effort to get to that heater. Once
> they saw that, they
> opened my shirt and put the heater next to me. If I
> hadn't tried to
> budge that inch, tried over and over and over again,
> I would have been
> left to die.
>
> The browser deal I lost fair and square. But I
> tried! I have no
> regrets about not trying! And that sets the tone for
> the rest of my life
> -- I have no regrets about NOT TRYING! I did try,
> and will keep on
> trying!
>
> Life is about trying. Our scientific
> experiments, mad or otherwise,
> are our efforts to understand the world. We do not
> expect them all to
> succeed. But try we must! For it is odd and mad
> people like us who
> create the future, and drag the rest of the world
> Forward!
>
> -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
> CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what
> to do.
> Nothing in this document should be construed as
> medical advice.
> My opinions are subject to the availability of
> information.
> I learn new things each day, and so may change my
> opinions.
>
> For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who
> practices
> orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend
> mine.
>
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 17:18:52 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Sun Mar 20 18:19:00 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] More.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050321011852.13304.qmail@web51906.mail.yahoo.com>
clyde,
if you are that upset...
http://www.vachss.com
they've got some help links
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> Javilk,
>
> Have you ever heard this song before?
>
> :
>
> *I SAW IT ON T.V.
> by: John Fogerty.
>
> They sent us home to watch the show
> Comin' on the little screen
> A man named Ike was in the White House
> Big black limousine
>
> There were many shows to follow
> >From Hooter to Doodyville
> Though I saw them all
> I can't recall
> Which cartoon was real
>
> The coonskin caps Yankee bats
> The hound Dog Man's big start
> The A-bomb fears Annette had ears
> I lusted in my heart
>
> A young man from Boston
> Set sail The New Frontier
> And we watched the dream
> Dead-end in Dallas
> They buried innocence that year
>
> I know it's true
> Oh so true
> 'Cause I saw it on T.V.
>
> We gathered round to hear the sound
> Comin' on the little screen
> The grief had passed the old men laughed
> And all the girls screamed
> Cause four guys from England
> Took us all by the hand
> It was time to laugh
> Time to sing
> Time to join the band
>
> But all too soon we hit the Moon
> And covered up the sky
> They built their bombs
> And aimed their guns
> And still I don't know why
>
> The dominoes tumbled
> And big business roared
> Everynight at six
> They showed the pictures
> And counted up the score
>
> I know its true
> Oh so true
> 'Cause I saw it on T.V.
>
> The old man rocks among his dreams
> A prisoner of the porch
> The light he says at the end of the tunnel
> Was nothin' but a burglar's torch
>
> And them that was caught in the Cover
> Are all rich and free
> But they chained my mind
> To an endless tomb
> When they took my only son from me
>
> I know it's true
> Oh so true
> 'Cause I saw it on T.V.*
>
> Javilk,
>
> I grew up in the 80's, and so I haven't been able to
> interpret all of this song above, but it is a
> perfect song.
> I was raised in a lower middle class household, with
> an
> abusive dad, and my mind was educated to be a
> prison.
> I want to break out of that fucking prison,
> permanently.
> If my dad was still alive, I would meet him out in
> the
> street right now, and I would swipe him off of his
> fucking legs, and I would pulverize his fucking
> skull
> into the pavement.
> I have been successful as of recently, at expanding
> a black hole, in my mind, to the point of where it
> is
> traversible.
> The black hole represents the past, and it has
> followed
> me all of my years.
> If I could, I would sent a nuclear time bomb, with a
> short time limit, through the black hole, and would
> nuke the fucking past, because I am fucking sick
> of its existance.
>
> Clyde
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Mar 21 01:30:32 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Mar 20 18:30:45 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I have lost my faith in this country.
In-Reply-To: <20050321011354.7867.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at Mar 20, 2005 05:13:54 PM
Message-ID: <20050321013032.35237.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I agree with you about trying. I am - admittedly
> slowly - setting up my shop and myself to carry out a
> few projects. I was told multiple times while in
> junior high school and school that bright learning
> disabled people don't work with science. Supposedly,
> they work with art and poetry (which in my humble
> opinion defines the term WOMBAT.)
Laughing!
You know what I like about science? It's a lot easier to tell when
you are wrong! So you learn a LOT FASTER!
> A point for discussion might be how a newbie mad
> scientist sets out asking the right questions with
> which to start *being* a mad scientist.
Yes. That's always the hardest part! If you can't come up with
the right question, it's nearly impossible to come up with a good,
WORKABLE answer.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 18:04:44 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun Mar 20 19:04:56 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality,
yet the picture doesn't look good either way.
Message-ID: <20050321020444.40131.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
I have seen both sides of reality;
Both the wealthy, and the underground.
And I have seen the suffering, and I
see no end in sight for anyone at all,
ever.
I am ready to leave this fucked,
cursed planet.
Clyde
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 18:31:55 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Sun Mar 20 19:32:10 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality,
yet the picture doesn't look good either way.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050321023155.99436.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
1.) you could sell psychic amplifier propeller beanies
2.) you could borrow a trick from the pilots:
a.) list the problem
b.) list the symptoms of the problem
c.) list the ways you can overcome the symptoms that
you can
d.) list the ways you can avoid or ameliorate those
symptoms you can't overcome
3.) you could start work on a space craft
http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm
http://142.179.222.23/main.html
http://arocket.mid-south.net/arocket1/
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> I have seen both sides of reality;
> Both the wealthy, and the underground.
> And I have seen the suffering, and I
> see no end in sight for anyone at all,
> ever.
> I am ready to leave this fucked,
> cursed planet.
>
> Clyde
>
>
>
>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Mar 21 02:42:18 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Mar 20 19:42:21 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] More.
In-Reply-To: <20050321004032.90477.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 20, 2005 04:40:32 PM
Message-ID: <20050321024218.91280.qmail@mall-net.com>
History...
And inspiring oneself... with the side effects of healing, kindling
eloquence, imagination, etc.
> They sent us home to watch the show
> Comin' on the little screen
> A man named Ike was in the White House
> Big black limousine
General Eisenhower, the man who organized and masterminded the
Allied victory in World War II. And was later elected President. The
50's were characterized by optimism and progress as those who fought
through hell came home, said "no problem!" and just DID things that
needed to be done. They were, some say, the greatest generation that
ever lived. Not, I think, just from their being Americans, but in large
part from having fought through hell for what they Believed in! And
having won, they believed they could, and should make a better world at
home was well as having saved Europe and Asia from tyrannical
non-democratic governments.
I was born in 1950. Much of what I saw I didn't understand till
later; but I did enjoy and grow in the 50's.
> There were many shows to follow
> >From Hooter to Doodyville
> Though I saw them all
> I can't recall
> Which cartoon was real
It's Howdy Doody time,
It's Howdy Doody time,
One of the very first kids shows, done live with marionettes.
That's where the term "the peanut gallery" either came from, or was
popularized on.
> The coonskin caps Yankee bats
> The hound Dog Man's big start
> The A-bomb fears Annette had ears
> I lusted in my heart
Walt Disney had two shows, one of short movies and such, sometime
cartoons, or shorts. Coonskin cap would be Fess Parker playing Davy
Crockett, one of our nations early heros. Again, the theme was optimism,
being fair and square to others even if they weren't always fair and
square to you. Values and principles prevailed. And if you didn't,
then you at least set the stage for others, as those who died in World
War II did for us.
This theme was rampant in many TV programs. Ronald Reagan stared in
some movies, dying many times to save the future for us all.
> A young man from Boston
> Set sail The New Frontier
> And we watched the dream
> Dead-end in Dallas
> They buried innocence that year
President John F. Kennedy, a very inspiring and dynamic leader.
Also made Clinton look like a school boy... but that didn't matter
because unlike Clinton, he was Leading America forward. Inspired Ronald
Reagan. Reagan did better than Kennedy, and did it Cleanly!
(Probably because as a teenager, Reagan WAS a hero before he became a
movie star. As a life guard, he saved somewhere between seventy and a
hundred-some-dozen lives. He WAS the hero, and believed he could and
Should BE the hero in every situation where no one else stepped up to
bat. I think he went to Hollywood to learn how a hero should act. That
attitude of his carried him AND US!)
> > I know it's true
> Oh so true
> 'Cause I saw it on T.V.
>
> We gathered round to hear the sound
> Comin' on the little screen
> The grief had passed the old men laughed
> And all the girls screamed
> Cause four guys from England
> Took us all by the hand
> It was time to laugh
> Time to sing
> Time to join the band
The Beatles, first seen widely on the Ed Sullivan show. Girls
screaming, fainting, etc. Eventually, they did drugs, inspiring some of
the 60's flakiness, hippies, etc. Elvis Presley probably partly started
it by appropriating Negro music beats and popularizing them with new
lyrics. Elvis was originally a church singer.
these people are responsible for generations of hearing impaired
people in their 50's and younger. Growing up with classical music, I
could not stand the noise, nor the jarring "tonal" sequences in that
kind of "music". I recently ran across one gent who explained the
difference in tonal progressions, and why it was jarring.
> But all too soon we hit the Moon
> And covered up the sky
> They built their bombs
> And aimed their guns
> And still I don't know why
US vs USSR competition and The Cuban Missile Crisis. The USSR set
nuclear tipped missiles up in Cuba. Kennedy stared them down with threats
of a global nuclear war. (Not quite global... but bad.) Our biggest
idiocity was not taking the moon as the high ground.
Read "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Heinline. Rocks thrown from
the moon have nuclear level power with less radiation, personal injury,
etc. You can see them coming. People can get out of the way, but
facilities will be lost. You can also see anything shot at the moon, so
like the growth of the city-state via alliances into small nations, no
one side can have a successful one-strike victory, no one side will be
spared the misery of war.
If Kennedy had not been assassinated, we might have had the moon,
and held the high ground, winning over the USSR a lot sooner.
> The dominoes tumbled
> And big business roared
> Everynight at six
> They showed the pictures
> And counted up the score
Probably Viet Nam. Johnson's and McNamara's lack of imagination
caused it to run on and on and on. Our initial efforts were "winning
hearts and minds". McNamara pushed for body counts. We stopped
fighting for hearts and started counting cut-off ears.
> I know its true
> Oh so true
> 'Cause I saw it on T.V.
And the damned liberal press was the best weapon Ho Chi Min, north
Viet Nam's leader, had. The press and McNamara made it a senseless war.
We backed the wrong people in South Viet Nam's government, etc.
> The old man rocks among his dreams
> A prisoner of the porch
> The light he says at the end of the tunnel
> Was nothin' but a burglar's torch
President Richard M. Nixon. Watergate burglars wanted to see what
the Democrats had against him. He had kept saying there was light at
the end of the Viet Nam tunnel... but in the end, politically weak, he
had to resign and let Viet Nam fall to the Communists. A bloodbath
ensued in which hundreds of thousands of people were murdered by the
communists in Viet Nam, and more in Cambodia, where Pol Pot took over
and just devastated the country by turning it in to one big
concentration camp in which people were forced to kill others or be
killed. Any infraction resulted in a multi-bladed ring being put on the
person's head, and all others were forced to pull the ropes till the
head was cut off. Those who did not, ended up with that ring on their
heads.
This was even done to and by children!
Think of what it must feel like when you cut your best friend's
head off to save yours. It ruins your soul, kills your creativity and
your sense that you can do good. It makes you feel like a piece of shit
to be used by other forces you can not control. In comparison to Phol
Pot, Hitler was nearly a saint! Pol Phot created a nation of evil!
And we did nothing... and we did Nothing!!!
Those who could, became boat people, trying to sail out of Viet
Nam, Cambodia, Laos, etc. to any kind of civilized anything!
> And them that was caught in the Cover
> Are all rich and free
> But they chained my mind
> To an endless tomb
> When they took my only son from me
Unsure. Probably reference to our boys dying in Viet Nam and Richard
Nixon's lying to cover up Watergate.
> I know it's true
> Oh so true
> 'Cause I saw it on T.V.*
> I grew up in the 80's, and so I haven't been able to
> interpret all of this song above, but it is a perfect song.
> I was raised in a lower middle class household, with an
> abusive dad, and my mind was educated to be a
> prison.
The only prison that can hold you, is the one in your mind. That
was the prison Phol Pot was creating by forcing people to kill their
friends and kin to save their own lives.
If the past is your prison, look to the future and try to build a
better future.
> I want to break out of that fucking prison, permanently.
> If my dad was still alive, I would meet him out in the
> street right now, and I would swipe him off of his
> fucking legs, and I would pulverize his fucking skull
> into the pavement.
Those thoughts are your prison.
They rob you of your Time!
They rob you of the WILL to do Better!
They rob you of your IMAGINATION to SEE how to do Better!
All you need do, is look forward, not back.... and KEEP looking
forward!
> I have been successful as of recently, at expanding
> a black hole, in my mind, to the point of where it is
> traversible.
> The black hole represents the past, and it has followed
> me all of my years.
> If I could, I would sent a nuclear time bomb, with a
> short time limit, through the black hole, and would
> nuke the fucking past, because I am fucking sick
> of its existance.
You don't need anything that powerful. All you have to do, is to
look forward, not backward. Soon, the beauty of the future will hold
you away from the past. But you need to see enough beauty for it to hold
you and pull you.
Easy to say, sure. A little harder in practice; but not that much
harder.
My own father is a war hero of the underground. He paid a high
price, a price echoing over and over in his memories. So have I, for
his efforts, the health consequences, and those memories haunting his
every day actions.
But the higher price would have been to turn away from his peoples
in their time of need. For then, he would not have had a soul, and
likely, neither would I.
THERAPY
While I am not a therapist, I can relate some things that helped
me overcome depression more than once.
Do you want to escape the past? Take a camera, any kind of
camera. Go out every morning and try to take a picture of something
beautiful. That was my therapy, my escape from a father who felt
suicidal for the high blood pressure medications he had to take to stay
alive, to support me and my mother. Without us, he would have killed
himself.
Take the camera. Any kind of camera. (though a cheap 007 pocket
digital pinhole camera is what, $49? 439? at Wall-Mart? With
digital, Film and Darkroom are FREE!!!)
As your pictures get better, you can always buy a better camera.
Your first pictures will be crap anyway, so why rush out and buy
something expensive?
But if you don't take that camera in your hands every morning, you
will not see the beauty, nor have the adventure of seeking it.
It's up to you. No one else can make those pictures for you. No
one else can re-program your mind.
And if you can't afford the camera, then take something, and
pretend to take pictures. Study the effects of framing and lighting
with a square made of your own hands if you have to. But make the
effort to see and frame images of beauty.
And then, camera or no camera, describe those sights in words on
your word processor. Describe what you liked, what interested you about
the objects, what you liked about the composition, etc.
Imagination grows as you notice the beauty. Eloquence grows as you
have something beautiful to describe, to inspire others with. And by
doing so, you will inspire yourself like no one else ever can!
That was my path in the mid 60's. When I washed up on this god
forsaken mountain, I did it again. http://www.mall-net.com/today/ has
some of the pictures. I stopped posting, but didn't stop shooting them.
I've got to re-write some software to let me post them more easily.
All I can say is that it made the difference between darkness and
light for me. Try it.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Mar 21 11:24:58 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Mar 21 04:25:01 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality,
In-Reply-To: <20050321023155.99436.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at Mar 20, 2005 06:31:55 PM
Message-ID: <20050321112458.64204.qmail@mall-net.com>
> 3.) you could start work on a space craft
> http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm
> http://142.179.222.23/main.html
> http://arocket.mid-south.net/arocket1/
You would send this in the evening... I got lost in my past again!
Model rockety... I could smell the sulphury exhaust fumes, see the old
stuff flying again... my crude, fumble fingered models, rarely painted
more than one color, if that... each built more to prove a point, than
for art or altitude.
I guess my favorite was the H, fin rocket, because it was so
easy to glue two parallel fins on, then two across the ends in a double
cross-bar H pattern.
And marvel at some of the new stuff! Barometric Altimeters that
chirp the altitude!
I loved launching the stuff! I founded a rocket club in my early
teens by just inviting a huge bunch of kids together, and showing them
what I got, how where to get the stuff and how to make the stuff. It
just took off! We didn't have a president; whoever's house we met at,
had to organize and run the meeting. The club ran till we graduated
five or six years later. That taught me not the science I already loved;
it taught me how to organize and lead people. That was something that
seemed not very useful at that age; but when I walked into the
corporate world, I already knew what to do in meetings, knew it better
than many engineers twice my age. The skills of participating and
running meetings where people, kids or adults, really argued about
technical details made a huge difference in my later life!
Thanks! It's three am... and I think I'm more than 15 years old
again. Darned! But at least I'm a lot smarter than I was then. The
things we would have done if we but had half the stuff we have now!
Gads, just an oscillator blinking a LED with some precision, laying down
a trace on a photograph at night would have made Al's flight calculus
stuff really meaningful to many of us.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 05:14:28 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Mar 21 06:14:37 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I will respond back, later this afternoon,
or this evening.
Message-ID: <20050321131429.19445.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
I will respond back, later this afternoon, or this evening.
I have to get ready for work this morning.
Clyde
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 16:33:32 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Mar 21 17:33:46 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Regarding drug addiction.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050322003332.81063.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
clyde lofton wrote:
It is not my will to live on the streets.
It never has been.
I would choose euthanasia before
choosing to live on the streets, and
before I would choose to live on the
streets, I would go as far away from
any civilization, out in the boondocks,
away from this cursed city that is
built on a fucking sink hole, and if
there were only a limited # of options,
I would find some way, to make
death as quick as possible.
No matter how hard I try, I cannot
get ahead.
Pursuing business endeavors is
absolute vanity, and futility, and I
am pissed at this fucked country.
Tax laws are too complicated and
twisted, like infinite fucking vines,
etc., and it is impossible to
permanently stay ahead of the
fucking neverending nonsensical
game.
I hate the environment too.
To hell with the environment; exo,
and endo.
I reject the fucking environment.
I want absolute control of my
existance, because god is out
of control.
I have become rotten to the
core, with bitterness.
I could say more, but I won't.
Clyde
Garybrowningokla@aol.com wrote:
I have had sever people whom Zyprexa worked extremely well for. I realize it may not work for you. I only know that if it weren't for conventional drugs I would be sleeping in the street. gary
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 16:35:27 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Mar 21 17:35:42 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Regarding drug addiction.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050322003527.84644.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
clyde lofton wrote:
Gary,
Zyprexa, ='s amplified anger and
amplified anxiety.
I fucking hate drug addiction, and
olanzapine and clonazepam are
no exeptions.
I am ready for a new doctor.
I am preparing to experiment
upon myself, using audio frequency
electromagnetism, and I do not
have 100% absolute certainty that
it will be 100% safe, due to the
high possibility of 60 cycle inductive
interference, since I cannot
afford the complex electronic
equipment that is needed to make
shure that there is no external
60 cycle frequency, inductive
interference, to be amplified.
Clyde
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 16:42:18 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Mar 21 17:42:31 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Frequency warping weblinks.
In-Reply-To: 6667
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javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> 1.) http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jos/jospubs.html
> 2.) http://www.faqs.org/docs/sp/sp-60.html
> 3.) http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~unski/FreqW.html
Maybe I am dense, Clyde; but what is YOUR application?
I LOST GOD, SPIRITUALLY.
I AM NOW SEEKING TO FIND HIM MATERIALLY.
YET HE IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.
MAYBE I CAN FIND GOD, IN CHAOS.
And within that application, what is YOUR purpose for frequency
warping?
THERE IS STILL CREATIVE POTENTIAL LEFT OPEN IN THAT FIELD OF
SOUND SYNTHESIS.
I AM TIRED TONIGHT, AND SO I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO RESPOND BACK TO
THE OTHER E-MAIL POSTINGS.
AND MY BLOOD PRESSURE FEELS LIKE IT IS GOING TO BURST THE VEINS
IN MY THROUGHT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I WANT TO YELL OUT LOAD, AND
CUSS, AND PUT A MY SLEDGE HAMMER THROUGH THE CATHODE RAY
TUBE OF AN OLD PIECE OF SHIT TELEVISION.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 16:45:59 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Mar 21 17:46:11 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Aurora Photos
In-Reply-To: 6667
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javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
The latest propagation newsletter, forwarded to my by my father who is a
Ham Radio operator, had this link to some exceptional aurora photos.
"With quiet geomagnetic conditions at mid-latitudes, there were still
periods when geomagnetic activity was strong in the Arctic. The
College K index reading from Fairbanks Alaska reached 6 on March 14
and again on March 17. Look at the awesome aurora photos at
http://spaceweather.com/aurora/gallery_01mar05.htm ."
THOSE AURORA PHOTOS ARE COOL.
I WISH I COULD TAKE MY E.L.F. RECEIVER TO THAT PLACE, AT THAT
TIME, SO I COULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HEAR THE AURORAL CHORUS.
BUT I AM DAMNED, AND SO I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO SO.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Mar 22 02:25:49 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Mar 21 19:25:54 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Frequency warping weblinks.
In-Reply-To: <20050322004218.88795.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 21, 2005 04:42:18 PM
Message-ID: <20050322022549.88456.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Maybe I am dense, Clyde; but what is YOUR application?
>
>
> I LOST GOD, SPIRITUALLY.
> I AM NOW SEEKING TO FIND HIM MATERIALLY.
> YET HE IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.
> MAYBE I CAN FIND GOD, IN CHAOS.
Interesting. I am impressed that despite all, you are still trying
something. We do care about you, Clyde. We'd like to help you.
(I am an ordained minister, so I presume I can talk about
spirituality and meditation in a technical sense with respect to
religion and the seeking of God. And I try to inject a little humor
into this because levity makes one more spiritual and closer to God. Or
at the very least, makes the quest for spirituality more fun.)
Here's my take on how you can approach this in a fairly rapid
manner, bypassing a lot of religious mumbo-jumbo use to promote (and
fund) various religious hierarchies.
But first a little mumbo jumbo to, um, clear the air. I am not
giving medical advice here, I am giving spiritual advice, including
techniques of attainment.
That God existed is a foregone conclusion to me, since I and the
universe exist. (There may be some semantic issues here as to just what
God is... but it's good enough for me,)
God, I don't think _you_ are going to find outside in the agitated
state you describe yourself in. At least not tomorrow.
_I_ can argue God IS all over, but that's probably not what you
want. Still, seeking beauty in the outside world with a camera is one
way of seeing aspects of God. It also helps re-program the mind for
seeking better things. And for a spiritual journey, this can be a good
start, and a good adjunct to other practices.
I think you want to find a connection to God within. That may not
be so hard to do.
Spirituality, well... that's, in part a function of brain
frequencies, from what I've read and experienced. to what extent, I do
not know; but there is indication that without the right frequencies,
spirituality is not found. I think it because the brain is racing too
fast, too full of itself to notice more subtle signals which connect one
to the spiritual essence around on.
What I've read and experienced suggests that meditation raises
specific frequency bands of the brain wave spectrum. This USUALLY takes
years of practice, and given the state of mind you describe, may be
difficult to attain at the moment. But there are technical ways of
attaining this relaxed religious / meditative state even from the
hyperactive adrenaline state.
There are two large areas of meditative endeavor. (And many smaller
ones.) One is the Transcendental meditation which the Pope condemned.
That state is a high alpha state, filling the practitioner with a sense
of self. Excess practice can cause one to twitch involuntarily. Quite
frankly, I have found transcendental meditation to be mind numbing
crap! Found it both from the types of people who practice it, and from
my exposures to that dominant frequency band called Alpha.
Another body of meditative endeavor centers around Zazen
meditation, the meditation on the edge of awareness, the fog of
creation, etc. This, I find worthwhile! The 7.83hz range frequency
seems to be the key.
Beyond Zazen, one gets into low frequency states which can put one
into a low body temperature state which may be of questionable medical
safety in the longer run.
THE CORE:
My own experience suggests that Zazen meditation puts the brain
near the 7.83 Schuman frequency of the earth's magnetic warble. Some
say that one is then "connected" with the earth. In some sense, this is
a spiritual connectedness with others as well as the earth.
My experiments with the magnetic device suggest it is a way of
imposing a Zazen meditative signal, encouraging the brain to slow and
enter such a calm, meditative, or at least contemplative state.
There is some suggestion (and were a lot of products) which helped
one enter the alpha meditative state by blinking LEDs near the eyes. I
have also used a signal generator and LEDs to enter the theta meditative
states; but the effects of the square wave method I used seemed too
shock-like to be recommended.
My experience with sine wave magnetically induced or augmented
meditative states were quite positive when the frequency is at
approximately 7.83hz.
As one meditates, one has a greater chance of finding God, or at
least a grace-like religious experience. Thus one may believe that
magnetics can be used for religious purposes in the search of God.
Can enlightenment be had at the turn of a switch? No. One can
create the room for meditation; but one still has to put the Beauty
within the room! And that is why I advocate the search for beauty with
a camera, for it programs the mind to SEEK beauty and life!
> THERE IS STILL CREATIVE POTENTIAL LEFT OPEN IN THAT FIELD OF
> SOUND SYNTHESIS.
This is true, certainly in the sense of music, instruments, etc.
> AND MY BLOOD PRESSURE FEELS LIKE IT IS GOING TO BURST THE VEINS
> IN MY THROUGHT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I WANT TO YELL OUT LOAD, AND
Carrots contain potassium. Potassium is known to lower blood
pressure. So is garlic and onions, though they do leave more "evidence"
than carrots. One should be careful that one does also get adequate
magnesium, as a shortage of magnesium often results in the gut stopping
-- constipation, food stuck in the stomach, etc. Magnesium, found in
GREEN vegetables (not much in iceberg lettuce) will balance this. Many
religions emphasize vegetarianism as a way of attaining physiological
and spiritual balance. I suspect that if you don't have the
physiological balance, you are not going to get the spiritual balance,
as the brain ends up concentrating on the needs, aches, and pains of the
body. (Boy, do I know this!)
How is your iodine? If you get enough iodine in your diet, such as
from kelp, it can help you attain a nirvana-like state. I've been
there! It is quite soothing. Buddhists spend most of their lives trying
to attain this. I suspect the practical matter is that they don't get
enough iodine on top of that mountain range of theirs.
What I sometimes see, is that shunting of tyrosine from the
Dopamine producing pathways to the thyroid pathways helps increase
metabolism, inner warmth, while reducing the need for the use of
adrenaline based heat. In other words, makes one calmer.
Physiologically, Iodine is needed to do this. But too much can produce
a high temperature agitated state known clinically as a thyroid storm.
I suspect a thermometer may help you decide what is or is not
appropriate to your state.
Infections, particularly in certain areas, and allergies can cause
the type of high adrenaline states you seem to be describing.
Again, I am trying to help you attain a religious meditative state,
not a medical one.
> CUSS, AND PUT A MY SLEDGE HAMMER THROUGH THE CATHODE RAY
> TUBE OF AN OLD PIECE OF SHIT TELEVISION.
Destruction does not usually assist one in attaining spiritual
goals. Plus, smashing a flask of void usually results in an implosion
of flying shards of glass. Um, The resulting injuries can delay one's
spiritual journey.
-- Javilk@mall-net.com ---
These are the religious ravings of a person who thinks he remembers
having walked this earth many times in many lives. If you heed these
opinions, you will be taking your own life in your own hands.
(Which is the whole point of these ravings!)
From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Mar 22 02:38:41 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Mar 21 19:38:43 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Regarding drug addiction.
In-Reply-To: <20050322003332.81063.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 21, 2005 04:33:32 PM
Message-ID: <20050322023841.96506.qmail@mall-net.com>
> streets, I would go as far away from
> any civilization, out in the boondocks,
> away from this cursed city that is
> built on a fucking sink hole, and if
Gee, Clyde, that's what I've done. Not that I wanted to! But
because of my illness and inability to clear the air pollution from my
blood the way most people do.
> there were only a limited # of options,
> I would find some way, to make
> death as quick as possible.
> No matter how hard I try, I cannot
> get ahead.
So step back, look at the larger picture. In my work, I'm usually
asked to throw my weight in to the battering ram crew. I tell the boss
I will, just as soon as I walk around the arena we are trying to break
into. (Imagine it a building.) Invariably, I spot an open window here,
maybe find the rear door is unlocked, etc. And so, produce results far
sooner.
> Pursuing business endeavors is
> absolute vanity, and futility, and I
> am pissed at this fucked country.
> Tax laws are too complicated and
> twisted, like infinite fucking vines,
> etc., and it is impossible to
> permanently stay ahead of the
> fucking neverending nonsensical
> game.
I've seen a lot of people do quite well, so it's not quite as bad
as you believe.
But if you believe nothing is possible, you will fulfill your
beliefs one way or another.
> I hate the environment too.
> To hell with the environment; exo,
> and endo.
> I reject the fucking environment.
> I want absolute control of my
> existance, because god is out
> of control.
There is no absolute control of anything. And even if there was,
what of the spontaneity of other? Other people come up with so many
nice Ideas and thoughts that I don't come up with. By sharing, we get
far more joy out of life than by controlling.
> I have become rotten to the
> core, with bitterness.
> I could say more, but I won't.
Get that camera, Clyde; get that camera and try to take pictures of
the beauty around you. Listen, even an oil slick can produce a beautiful
rainbow. Looking for traces of beauty will help you heal. It is one
step toward spiritual re-awakening.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 07:15:31 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 22 08:15:44 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality,
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050322151531.61462.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
I AM SORRY ABOUT THE MISTAKES THAT I HAVE MADE.
I EVIDENTLY HAVE A PROBLEM, WHEN IT COMES TO
THE MATTER OF BEING ABLE TO ENGAGE A CONVERSATION
IN A PERFECT MANNER.
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> 3.) you could start work on a space craft
> http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm
> http://142.179.222.23/main.html
> http://arocket.mid-south.net/arocket1/
THANKS FOR THE LINKS.
YES, I WANT TO BUILD A SPACESHIP.
I HAVE HAD IT TO OVER THE TOP, WITH THIS ENTIRE PLANET.
HAS ANYONE OUT THERE EVER BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT CONFIGURING
MULTIPLE GYROSCOPES, INTO A PERFECT SYMMETRY, (TOROIDAL, OR
SPHERICAL,) TO WHERE OMNIDIRECTIONAL LIFT, LEVITATION, AND
PROPULSION IS POSSIBLE, ALTHOUGH I DON'T COMPLETELY ALIENATE THE
NEED FOR AT LEAST A SINGLE ROCKET, FOR ADDITIONAL PROPULSION?
(ELECTROMECHANICAL LIFT, LEVITATION, AND PROPULSION, USING
GYROSCOPES.)
You would send this in the evening... I got lost in my past again!
Model rockety... I could smell the sulphury exhaust fumes, see the old
stuff flying again... my crude, fumble fingered models, rarely painted
more than one color, if that... each built more to prove a point, than
for art or altitude.
I guess my favorite was the H, fin rocket, because it was so
easy to glue two parallel fins on, then two across the ends in a double
cross-bar H pattern.
I'VE NEVER BUILT A MODEL ROCKET BEFORE.
IS IT EXPENSIVE TO DO?
And marvel at some of the new stuff! Barometric Altimeters that
chirp the altitude!
I NEED TO LOOK INTO THESE.
I LIKE HIGH TECH (MODULAR,) WEATHER INSTRUMENTS OF THE MODERN
DAY.
I loved launching the stuff! I founded a rocket club in my early
teens by just inviting a huge bunch of kids together, and showing them
what I got, how where to get the stuff and how to make the stuff. It
just took off! We didn't have a president; whoever's house we met at,
had to organize and run the meeting. The club ran till we graduated
five or six years later. That taught me not the science I already loved;
it taught me how to organize and lead people. That was something that
seemed not very useful at that age; but when I walked into the
corporate world, I already knew what to do in meetings, knew it better
than many engineers twice my age. The skills of participating and
running meetings where people, kids or adults, really argued about
technical details made a huge difference in my later life!
Thanks! It's three am... and I think I'm more than 15 years old
again. Darned! But at least I'm a lot smarter than I was then. The
things we would have done if we but had half the stuff we have now!
Gads, just an oscillator blinking a LED with some precision, laying down
a trace on a photograph at night would have made Al's flight calculus
stuff really meaningful to many of us.
I WILL TRY TO FINISH MY RESPONSES TO YOUR OTHER RESPONSES, LATER
THIS AFTERNOON.
I FINALLY HAVE A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT THIS MORNING, AND I AM GOING
TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES THAT YOU BROUGHT UP TO ME
IN THE PAST CORRESPONDENCE.
SINCERELY, CLYDE
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 22 09:11:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The damn best weather instrument business out
there.
Message-ID: <20050322161111.47387.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
Novalynx is the best weather instrument
company that I have seen, in the U.S.A.
http://www.novalynx.com
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Tue Mar 22 18:25:27 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Tue Mar 22 16:25:41 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: 1.) Stop The Lie .com. And;
2.) American Idiot C.D. ...
Message-ID: <1f5.618bff5.2f720367@aol.com>
Dear clyde,
I have been reading your posts for some time now and feel it is time to
respond.
As you may have noticed, humanity is evolving in ways unthinkable 50 years
ago. We were raised on the life style of our parents, who were raised on
their parents life style.
So, our life style, our thoughts about humanity were outdated by 80 or so
years at our birth.
I cannot expect my grandchildren to think as I did as a child, One must
think for themselves in the time they are living, not the time of our parents who
are living still in the time of our grandparents.
As the earth ages and humanity grows in intelligence, we must go with the
flow. It is a waste of time and energy for one person to rant against the
future.
It will help following generations to know our history ( without ) the spin
that will make a cleaned and spotless history with us always being in the
right.
TEACH YOUR CHILDREN WELL, SEE TO IT YOUR GRANDCHILDREN KNOW WHAT REALLY WENT
ON, NOT THE CRAP THAT IS TAUGHT IN HISTORY CLASSESS TODAY.
My respects Vesta
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 16:31:11 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 22 17:31:30 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Like a fast moving meteorite,
entering Earth's atmosphere.
Message-ID: <20050323003112.53816.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
I have become like a fast moving meteorite,
entering Earth's atmosphere.
The future is crumbling apart, and burning
up before my eyes.
This country is screwed, from my viewpoint,
and so am I.
Clyde
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Mar 22 17:33:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I have absolutely lost all hope in the future of
this country.
Message-ID: <20050323003311.14494.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
I have absolutely lost all hope
in the future of this country.
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 18:47:02 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Tue Mar 22 19:48:01 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I have absolutely lost all hope in the future of
this country.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050323024702.2365.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
1.) your file didn't go through for me at least.
2.) don't give the bastards the satisfaction.
3.) live long enough to piss on the graves of your
enemies
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
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From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi)
Date: Wed Mar 23 08:17:08 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I have absolutely lost all hope in the future
ofthis country.
In-Reply-To: <20050323024702.2365.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
I actually have tried to become more active, politically. But for the life
of me, I cannot find any meaningful outlet.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert
> Juliano
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:47 PM
> To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] I have absolutely lost all hope in the
> future ofthis country.
>
>
>
> Clyde,
>
> 1.) your file didn't go through for me at least.
> 2.) don't give the bastards the satisfaction.
> 3.) live long enough to piss on the graves of your
> enemies
>
> Bob
>
> --- clyde lofton wrote:
> >
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From samuelmorris at charter.net Thu Mar 24 01:15:47 2005
From: samuelmorris at charter.net (samuelmorris@charter.net)
Date: Wed Mar 23 18:15:56 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest( re: vistalll)
Message-ID: <3rr4tf$km9kck@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net>
I don't respond much but I feel the need to set you straight. History is written
by the winners. And what we learn in school now is far greater then what was
taught 80, 40 or even 10 years ago. Social veiws are broadened on a regular
basis and with the clash and assimilation of superorganisms to guide us ,it
will continue to be this way. We don't live in some "rebel against the MAN"
fantasy. This is a global economy with world veiws and not just "high school
teachers are bad cause they ain't so smart" Rebelion needs to be directed to
be useful. You can't just label a whole system as bad or good. It is grey. A
mix of millions of organisms common veiws and spotted with a few
exstreams. The idea of "rebeling against the system" is soo out dated .. no
wonder you think every one else is behind. If you have a problem with history
class be a historian or a history teacher.. in short fix it.. I mean ranting is part
of being a mad scientist but so is action. And besides the system you are
disatisfied with gave you this nice internet and the math education as well as
that great vocabulary you have to exspress you anger with.. in short make it
better until you can't then... and only then... TEAR IT DOWN... grr.. hehe.
From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 18:57:41 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Wed Mar 23 19:57:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest( re: vistalll)
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050324025741.85133.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com>
Samuel,
okay, what brought this on, and where are you going
with it?
1.) Personally, I try to avoid politics and things
political (a wise aversion for the mad scientist...too
many villagers with the pitchforks and the torches...)
2.) sometimes, working within the system...merely
perpetuates an unjust system. I'll only go into this
subject at length, by request.
3.) how about we discuss something
mad-science-like...robots, for example...
Bob
--- samuelmorris@charter.net wrote:
> I don't respond much but I feel the need to set you
> straight. History is written
> by the winners. And what we learn in school now is
> far greater then what was
> taught 80, 40 or even 10 years ago. Social veiws are
> broadened on a regular
> basis and with the clash and assimilation of
> superorganisms to guide us ,it
> will continue to be this way. We don't live in some
> "rebel against the MAN"
> fantasy. This is a global economy with world veiws
> and not just "high school
> teachers are bad cause they ain't so smart"
> Rebelion needs to be directed to
> be useful. You can't just label a whole system as
> bad or good. It is grey. A
> mix of millions of organisms common veiws and
> spotted with a few
> exstreams. The idea of "rebeling against the system"
> is soo out dated .. no
> wonder you think every one else is behind. If you
> have a problem with history
> class be a historian or a history teacher.. in short
> fix it.. I mean ranting is part
> of being a mad scientist but so is action. And
> besides the system you are
> disatisfied with gave you this nice internet and the
> math education as well as
> that great vocabulary you have to exspress you anger
> with.. in short make it
> better until you can't then... and only then... TEAR
> IT DOWN... grr.. hehe.
>
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From samuelmorris at charter.net Fri Mar 25 00:43:38 2005
From: samuelmorris at charter.net (samuelmorris@charter.net)
Date: Thu Mar 24 17:43:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] re re vistalll
Message-ID: <3rr04b$kq7ruk@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net>
Oh I generally hate politics. I just read up yesterday and there was a much un
apriciative person hating erraticly on the basis of our system ( wich be far
isn't perfect) . I just felt the need to play devils advocate and take a opposing
and far more sensible veiw. On the subject of robots.. how about a nice Bio
mechanical brain augmentation? The nano tech is just around the corner( or
as some whisper hidden by the gov) so why haven't there been any real neural
network theories put into place?
From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Mar 25 04:05:42 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Mar 24 21:05:56 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality,
In-Reply-To: <20050322151531.61462.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 22, 2005 07:15:31 AM
Message-ID: <20050325040543.87975.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I AM SORRY ABOUT THE MISTAKES THAT I HAVE MADE.
> I EVIDENTLY HAVE A PROBLEM, WHEN IT COMES TO
> THE MATTER OF BEING ABLE TO ENGAGE A CONVERSATION
> IN A PERFECT MANNER.
No one is asking you to be perfect, Clyde. None of us are, that's
for sure!
> > 3.) you could start work on a space craft
> > http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm
> > http://142.179.222.23/main.html
> > http://arocket.mid-south.net/arocket1/
> I HAVE HAD IT TO OVER THE TOP, WITH THIS ENTIRE PLANET.
Get that camera, Clyde. There's one heck of a lot of beauty to be
seen in this world! Start looking for it, and you'll start seeing it.
Some of my stuff is at http;//www.mall-net.com/today/ Other really good
photos of nature to inner cities are at http://www.photoblogs.org
marvelous photos!
I mean, do you want to go to Mars? It's a cold desert!
I was off for several days. Why? My low fuel consumption generator
lost regulation, put 168 volts on the 120 volt line, and blew out the
microwave link, some lights, surge suppressors, etc.
> HAS ANYONE OUT THERE EVER BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT CONFIGURING
> MULTIPLE GYROSCOPES, INTO A PERFECT SYMMETRY, (TOROIDAL, OR
> SPHERICAL,) TO WHERE OMNIDIRECTIONAL LIFT, LEVITATION, AND
> PROPULSION IS POSSIBLE, ALTHOUGH I DON'T COMPLETELY ALIENATE THE
> NEED FOR AT LEAST A SINGLE ROCKET, FOR ADDITIONAL PROPULSION?
That's always been a fascination of mine! but have never built
anything to do it.
I would think that if you have two sets of DC run gyroscopes, even
heavy wheels mounted with their axis horizontal, then the gyroscopes
turned on a vertical axis, you might be able to see some deflection if
this were hung as a pendulum, or possibly floating on a board in the
bath tub.
Simple experiment someone might like to try...
> I'VE NEVER BUILT A MODEL ROCKET BEFORE.
> IS IT EXPENSIVE TO DO?
Go down to some hobby shop, or maybe even Target. Estes kits are
avalable, as are the rocket engines.
> I WILL TRY TO FINISH MY RESPONSES TO YOUR OTHER RESPONSES, LATER
> THIS AFTERNOON.
>
> I FINALLY HAVE A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT THIS MORNING, AND I AM GOING
> TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES THAT YOU BROUGHT UP TO ME
> IN THE PAST CORRESPONDENCE.
Most of these doctors know nothing about nutrition, nothing about
magnetics, and almost nothing about brain waves!
Try to find someone who is a member of the Society for
Orthomolecular Psychiatry. My doctor is, even though he's not a psych
guy. The society believes that most problems are soma-psychic -- body
driving the mind, not the mind driving the body. Fix the problem, and
to mental side effects just disappear! Just as you can't expect a
computer chip to do good math on low voltage, you can't expect the brain
to work well on imbalanced nutrition, etc.
Or with bad allergy problems, etc. I think it was Philpot who
wrote the book "Brain Allergies". Good book.
When I was really sick with that fungus problem, my writing style was
really odd, a kind of passive-static descriptive non-personal style vs
the way I am writing now. The fungi were putting out all kinds of
toxins. My brain could not hold an even thought. I got to see how my
brain almost literally fell apart, going from someone who could remember
huge quantities of information and hold them in my mind at one time (kind
of required to do top notch programming on large systems), to someone
who felt he was wandering around in huge book lined caverns, only able to
grasp one page of a book at a time. It was just BAD! I could hardly do
anything, never mind program well.
As it got worse, I lost much sensation on my skin, hard rubbing
feeling as if it were through several layers of clothing, not on the
skin itself.
Then when blood pressure fell, the toxins from the fungi in my
ears, mostly the left ear, which is the one I usually slept down, so it
didn't drain as well as the right ear.... the toxins from the fungi in
my left ear would often cause motor control areas to malfunction,
twitches and muscles driven into hard contractions, etc.
(Once we realized it was in the ears, we cleaned that up and no more
muscle spasms! How? First Nystatin in the ears, but later we found
that garlic juice in the ears was far, far more effective! And it was
the inner ears that were supplying fungus to re-colonize the guy
despite all the anti-fungals I was taking.)
G was NOT a whole functional being for about two years. But I
pulled through. Mostly, I'd read about this stuff, trying things
mentioned, trying to figure out what was going on, and just kept
fighting the problems as they came up. Doc was amazed I pulled through.
When I turned the corner, we had some blood work done, including an
antibody test for the fungus. It was the highest antibody count anyone
had ever seen! So yes, I guess it was what I had! And for years,
anytime I got near anyone with that fungus infection, I felt my blood
pressure start dropping. It was like "How did you know I have this
infection?" To me, the reactions were obvious! I sent them all to Doc.
He cured them.
Got to keep trying, Clyde, got to keep trying! We're all rooting
for you!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Mar 25 17:42:58 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Mar 25 10:43:01 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest( re: vistalll)
In-Reply-To: <3rr4tf$km9kck@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> from
"samuelmorris@charter.net" at Mar 24, 2005 01:15:47 AM
Message-ID: <20050325174258.71681.qmail@mall-net.com>
> will continue to be this way. We don't live in some "rebel against the MAN"
> fantasy. This is a global economy with world veiws and not just "high school
> teachers are bad cause they ain't so smart" Rebelion needs to be directed to
> be useful. You can't just label a whole system as bad or good. It is grey. A
Yep!
> mix of millions of organisms common veiws and spotted with a few
> exstreams. The idea of "rebeling against the system" is soo out dated .. no
> wonder you think every one else is behind. If you have a problem with history
> class be a historian or a history teacher.. in short fix it.. I mean ranting is part
> of being a mad scientist but so is action. And besides the system you are
> disatisfied with gave you this nice internet and the math education as well as
> that great vocabulary you have to exspress you anger with.. in short make it
> better until you can't then... and only then... TEAR IT DOWN... grr.. hehe.
Why re-invent 99,999,999 wheels when you can change a few every
week for fun and profit?
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Mar 25 18:04:55 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Mar 25 11:04:57 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: 1.) Stop The Lie .com. And;
In-Reply-To: <1f5.618bff5.2f720367@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Mar 22,
2005 06:25:27 PM
Message-ID: <20050325180455.87975.qmail@mall-net.com>
> As you may have noticed, humanity is evolving in ways unthinkable 50 years
> ago. We were raised on the life style of our parents, who were raised on
> their parents life style.
Some of what our grandparents did was wise, some stupid, and a lot
ignorant. Our wisdom must be in preserving their wisdom, discarding
their stupidity, and learning from their ignorant mistakes.
> As the earth ages and humanity grows in intelligence, we must go with the
> flow. It is a waste of time and energy for one person to rant against the
> future.
Wait a minute!!! We are Mad Scientists! It's our JOB to drag the
rest of humanity, kicking and screaming if need be, into the future!
Realistically, budging them a few millimeters is an accomplishment.
But... Look at the guy who made the 4004 microcomputer chip. Or the
guy who created HTML and the first browser? (I had the browser five
years before he did! Maybe he heard about my idea, maybe not; but I
did my part trying to budge the world, and am damned glad SOMEONE
succeeded!)
I could have been an Edison. But Edison was Edison before he was
Edison... Later, they consolidated him. And used Westinghouse / Tesla
equipment. I wonder if he's doing 60rpm in his grave. But without him,
Tesla wouldn't have gotten a start, and our illuminating systems might
still be gas. The effects of gas illuminating are documented by
Alexander Poe in "The Fall of the House of Usher". See
http://www.mcsrr.org/poe/ for more on some of the not so good effects of
illuminating gas on people -- low grade Carbon Monoxide poisoning.
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Mar 26 08:42:35 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Sat Mar 26 06:42:54 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest( re: vistalll)
Message-ID: <111.46cc941b.2f76c0cb@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/25/2005 12:43:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
javilk@mall-net.com writes:
> mix of millions of organisms common veiws and spotted with a few
> exstreams. The idea of "rebeling against the system" is soo out dated ..
no
> wonder you think every one else is behind. If you have a problem with
history
> class be a historian or a history teacher.. in short fix it.. I mean
ranting is part
> of being a mad scientist but so is action. And besides the system you are
> disatisfied with gave you this nice internet and the math education as
well as
> that great vocabulary you have to exspress you anger with.. in short make
it
> better until you can't then... and only then... TEAR IT DOWN... grr.. hehe
Hold on here, my rant is that I cannot become a teacher of history because I
would need to be taught myself by a teacher that was themselves taught the
spin given to them by their teachers.
I believe that goes for most subjects except math, and some of higher forms
of math has been known to bring more then a few practitioners to screaming
matches over equations of the higher form.
What is one to do when text books disagree with each other. Depending on
what part of the country you live in decides the company that supplies texts to
the schools. As a navy brat, I cannot tell you the confusion I went through
moving from school to school, learning evolution in 3 different schools one
year was a nightmare.
As an adult I see spins put on the very things happening before my very
eyes. When helping my children with their homework I am amazed that so much of
the information is ass backwards. When I tell the kids how I remember the
"facts", if they question their teachers 9 times out of 10 I get a call by said
teacher questioning me about where I got my information from. I have been
told more then once that my children are graded on the facts from their text
books, not from outside the text. Children are not being taught to THINK only
to accept what they are taught, no investigation allowed.
HEY TEACHERS, LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE !!!!!!
Respectfully Vesta
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun Mar 27 07:48:20 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Last weeek was hell,
and next week doesn't look any better.
Message-ID: <20050327144728.74925.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
Last week was hell, and next week doesn't
look any better.
Zyprexa Olanzapine is messing me up.
Screwing up my sleep cycles, making me
constantly beyond cranky, bitter, lashing
out anger, and amplified anxiety/fear.
I went to see my primary care physician
on Tuesday of last week, but he wasn't of
much help at all.
And next month, I intend on seeing a
Nutricianist, and possibly a Neurologist, if
I can afford that.
Thanks, Javilk, for responding to my other
e-mails, extensively.
You responded back so much, which is
very cool, that it is nearly impossible
for me to have enough time to go back
and answer each e-mail individually.
Javilk is the coolest mad scientist on
this website, but is he truly mad?
Regardless, I am grateful for Javilk being
out there, and the others adding
comments in, too, regardless of the
negative comments.
Clyde
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun Mar 27 11:02:55 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Here is a reproduction of my original posting on
the Mad-scientists list.
Message-ID: <20050327180247.29621.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde Lofton:
Interested in electropsychotic physics, and psychoacoustic physics.
Interested in crude artificial intelligence, and its relation to perpetual
motion, and perpetual energy, and eternal life.
Interested in gyroscopic (angular) propulsion for antigravity/
countergravity; in regards to both disk ships, and to tetrahedral ships;
and for the lift, levitation, and propulsion of such spacecraft; (for
de-mystifying the neverending U.F.O. nonsense).
Interested in large scale Tesla coils.
Interested in large scale, high voltage D.C. generators too; Van De
Graff, and Wimshurst.
Interested in 'small' spaceship fabrication.
Interested in alternative generator topology designs, for generators of
higher efficiencies.
Interested in the possibility of gravity/antigravity motors.
Interested in V.L.F. radio.
Want to do graveyard experiments; (even if it might be complete
hogwash; pseudoscience).
Enough said!
clydelofton@yahoo.com
Tulsa, Ok. U.S.A.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Mar 27 18:30:23 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Mar 27 11:30:38 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Last weeek was hell,
In-Reply-To: <20050327144728.74925.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 27, 2005 06:47:27 AM
Message-ID: <20050327183023.91875.qmail@mall-net.com>
The first part will take a little research, so here's my response to
the second part.
> Thanks, Javilk, for responding to my other
> e-mails, extensively.
> You responded back so much, which is
> very cool, that it is nearly impossible
> for me to have enough time to go back
> and answer each e-mail individually.
> Javilk is the coolest mad scientist on
> this website, but is he truly mad?
Well, I talk to myself a lot... talk about things most people
don't understand... and sometimes make up languages that even I don't
understand! Plus, I live almost on a mountain top. (Now that guy IS mad!
A religious case who quotes the bible, etc.) (My spot is in a pass
almost on the ridge line.
I've also had a few "True Mad Scientist Moments", where you see
what your colleagues are saying, see that it does not reflect your
results, and sit there on the edge between discarding what you are doing
because it "does not fit" within commonly known reality, or discarding
the advice, and maybe friendships, of respected peers who, while
refusing to look at your experiment in detail, insist that you are not
seeing what you damned well know you ARE seeing!
I've had people tell me that what I have invented is TOTALLY
IMPOSSIBLE while they, themselves got the same results. "See this, you
can't do this!"
I invented the web type browser in 1982. I was variously told it
was totally impossible, magic, artificial intelligence, etc. I had
computer store owners explode in anger seeing this, accusing me of
stealing their training revenue, etc. (It was more than just a browser,
it was more of a cross between a hypertext browser, word processor, and
a menuing system.)
And oh yes, my father too, had some "Mad Scientist Moments". As a
kid, he invented the transistor way, way back in the 1920's or 1930's,
and had a university professor explain it all away as totally
impossible. (Just ferget it kid, you don't know what the hell you are
talking about!) Plus some other inventions, having angry German Gestapo
and other soldiers chasing him, etc.
I was raised on Mr. Wizard (Don Herbert) and that kind of kitchen
table science experiments.
So I guess I am really a second generation mad scientist.
> Regardless, I am grateful for Javilk being
> out there, and the others adding
> comments in, too, regardless of the
> negative comments.
Thanks. I've been through parts of hell myself, so I know a little
about the territory. I've seen a lot of doctors in my time, mostly
ignorant savages who don't have a clue what they are doing. Doctors are
trained NOT to think! If they do ANY independent thinking, the
malpractice lawyers can throw them in jail, wipe out their bank
balance, and take their homes away! Now THAT is INSANITY!!!
I also spent two years in near isolation because I was totally
allergic to the world, wearing an activated charcoal / HEPA filter gas
mask just to keep from going into seizures. Cytochrome P-450
deficiency, among other things, I think, while a fungus called Candida
Albecans raged through my bloodstream, overwhelming my liver and
pancreas with toxins. (Plus neighbors who insisted on smoldering wood
and used LUMBER(!!!) at night for heat, etc. All those acid gases! And
they wondered why their kid was born with all those birth defects?!
Lets see now, arsenic and lead from treated wood, poly-aromatic
hydrocarbons from smoldering wood...)
So I've seen a bit of hell, learned from my own readings and
experiments on myself what it takes to traverse it when my "guides" the
doctors were worse than blind Igors!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Mar 27 18:55:45 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Mar 27 11:55:47 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Last weeek was hell,
In-Reply-To: <20050327144728.74925.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 27, 2005 06:47:27 AM
Message-ID: <20050327185545.9873.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Last week was hell, and next week doesn't
> look any better.
> Zyprexa Olanzapine is messing me up.
> Screwing up my sleep cycles, making me
> constantly beyond cranky, bitter, lashing
> out anger, and amplified anxiety/fear.
Barns and Noble sell the Physicians Desk Reference cheap. If
doctors keep giving you this stuff, you should look it up in the PDR,
and do research on the web regarding it. The PDR is a dog awful piece
of crap when it comes to finding anything, as you have to first know
what category anything is in, before you can find the name.
Then much of the stuff is indexed by manufacturer first, making it
doubly difficult to find anything UNLESS you are specifically looking
to choose a product for the disease you are trying to treat.
Zyprexa is, among other things, a serotonin binder!!! Serotonin is
what increases blood flow and gives you a sense of confidence! This will
certainly kill it, leaving you with a Dopamine overhang, which can make
you frantic. Yes, just the way you describe! It also binds some
Dopamines, and more weakly, GABA and adrenaline.
It is primarily used for schizophrenia and the maniac phase of
bipolar disorder. (Aren't we all maniacs in some way or other?)
From what I understand, many schizophreniacs are such because of a
problem involving Niacin to Serotonin metabolism. L-Tryptophan, which
is more or less abundant in our diet, is supposed to be able to be
metabolized into Niacin. When white bread and polished rice hit the
market, niacin levels in the diet plunged, and those who have this
genetic variation basically developed schizophrenia due to malnutrition!
I have heard tales of a number of people who ended up being cured simply
by taking several grams of Niacin per day.
Of course, we don't know if that applies to you, but most idiot
doctors don't test for this possibility!!!
This is why you need to find someone who is a member of the Society
for Orthomolecular Psychiatry. Search for them on the web. They are
into biochemistry because, Damn the lawyers, they signed up to be
doctors, and they are going to be REAL doctors no matter what!
Zyprexa is supposed to make you sleepy, and lower your blood
pressure, or at least destabilize it, probably making it hard for you to
stand up quickly.
It is intended for short term (under six weeks) management of
psychotic states. (I'd think as a serotonin binder, it can cause
psychotic states!)
Plus the thing has carnuba wax as a binder, which some people are
allergic to. Then you add the damned dyes in the pill...
The thing is broken down by the Cytochrome P450 pathway, which
means if you have any porphyria type problems, it's damned toxic to you.
Has your urine changed color? Does your urine change color if left in
the sunlight for a day? If so, you have classical porphyria and MUST
tell your doctor that you did this classical porphyria test and it shows
your Cytochrome P450 pathways are damaged; if not, you may or may not
have one of the other porphyrias or porphyrinurias.
If you can't afford a Physician's Desk Reference, then go find one
in your local library.
Another good book is the Merk Manual.
It has been my experience that since the lawyers don't allow the
doctors to practice real medicine anymore, you have to be your own
doctor.
Orthomolecular medicine is kind of like Open Source software -- you
get to see and understand what is being used, and since it is all
nutritional, you can try using it yourself without all the legal
consequences of prescription drugs.
Ayep, in the eyes of conventional medicine, I guess that really
does make us mad!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained.
Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.
From samuelmorris at charter.net Sun Mar 27 21:13:14 2005
From: samuelmorris at charter.net (samuelmorris@charter.net)
Date: Sun Mar 27 14:13:23 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] re re vistalll
Message-ID: <3rr7ej$qu2klc@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net>
ok.. I see your point now.. ( it isn't that I didn't get it) I am just skeptical and I
enjoy that form of intellectual conflict. You acctually know what the problem
is. You aren't just screaming bloody murder at the night. So I am impressed. I
do not have children. I do however have a very bright yet stupid younger
brother who refuses to pay any attention in school( remindes me of me)
Unfortunately With out these half asses textbooks we can't get into positions
to change anything. ( And I know about the shouting matches over equations)
I enjoy particle physics and chaos theory.. You would be surprised as to the
number of idiots who thing the can solve a nonlinear equation for dynamic
fluids... they look really simple.. but they are impossible.. scientists neatly
remove such chaos (physicits exspecially) . but it can't be gotten around..
and was ignored for all but the last 30 years or so. any way.. I do understand
you.. I just prefer to know I am talking to an educated malcontent and not a
quasi rebelious punk :D
>
> From: mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> Date: 2005/03/26 Sat PM 07:00:02 GMT
> To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG
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> From: Vesta111@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest( re: vistalll)
> To: mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org
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>
> In a message dated 3/25/2005 12:43:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> javilk@mall-net.com writes:
>
> > mix of millions of organisms common veiws and spotted with a few
> > exstreams. The idea of "rebeling against the system" is soo out dated ..
> no
> > wonder you think every one else is behind. If you have a problem with
> history
> > class be a historian or a history teacher.. in short fix it.. I mean
> ranting is part
> > of being a mad scientist but so is action. And besides the system you
are
> > disatisfied with gave you this nice internet and the math education as
> well as
> > that great vocabulary you have to exspress you anger with.. in short
make
> it
> > better until you can't then... and only then... TEAR IT DOWN... grr.. hehe
>
>
>
> Hold on here, my rant is that I cannot become a teacher of history because
I
> would need to be taught myself by a teacher that was themselves taught
the
> spin given to them by their teachers.
>
> I believe that goes for most subjects except math, and some of higher
forms
> of math has been known to bring more then a few practitioners to
screaming
> matches over equations of the higher form.
>
> What is one to do when text books disagree with each other. Depending on
> what part of the country you live in decides the company that supplies
texts to
> the schools. As a navy brat, I cannot tell you the confusion I went through
> moving from school to school, learning evolution in 3 different schools
one
> year was a nightmare.
>
> As an adult I see spins put on the very things happening before my very
> eyes. When helping my children with their homework I am amazed that so
much of
> the information is ass backwards. When I tell the kids how I remember the
> "facts", if they question their teachers 9 times out of 10 I get a call by said
> teacher questioning me about where I got my information from. I have
been
> told more then once that my children are graded on the facts from their
text
> books, not from outside the text. Children are not being taught to THINK
only
> to accept what they are taught, no investigation allowed.
>
> HEY TEACHERS, LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE !!!!!!
>
> Respectfully Vesta
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From samuelmorris at charter.net Sun Mar 27 21:14:27 2005
From: samuelmorris at charter.net (samuelmorris@charter.net)
Date: Sun Mar 27 14:14:38 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] re re vistalll
Message-ID: <3rr7ar$rb4uae@mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net>
ok.. I see your point now.. ( it isn't that I didn't get it) I am just skeptical and I
enjoy that form of intellectual conflict. You acctually know what the problem
is. You aren't just screaming bloody murder at the night. So I am impressed. I
do not have children. I do however have a very bright yet stupid younger
brother who refuses to pay any attention in school( remindes me of me)
Unfortunately With out these half asses textbooks we can't get into positions
to change anything. ( And I know about the shouting matches over equations)
I enjoy particle physics and chaos theory.. You would be surprised as to the
number of idiots who thing the can solve a nonlinear equation for dynamic
fluids... they look really simple.. but they are impossible.. scientists neatly
remove such chaos (physicits exspecially) . but it can't be gotten around..
and was ignored for all but the last 30 years or so. any way.. I do understand
you.. I just prefer to know I am talking to an educated malcontent and not a
quasi rebelious punk :D
>
> From: mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> Date: 2005/03/26 Sat PM 07:00:02 GMT
> To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> Subject: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 5, Issue 37
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> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:42:35 EST
> From: Vesta111@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest( re: vistalll)
> To: mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org
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>
> In a message dated 3/25/2005 12:43:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> javilk@mall-net.com writes:
>
> > mix of millions of organisms common veiws and spotted with a few
> > exstreams. The idea of "rebeling against the system" is soo out dated ..
> no
> > wonder you think every one else is behind. If you have a problem with
> history
> > class be a historian or a history teacher.. in short fix it.. I mean
> ranting is part
> > of being a mad scientist but so is action. And besides the system you
are
> > disatisfied with gave you this nice internet and the math education as
> well as
> > that great vocabulary you have to exspress you anger with.. in short
make
> it
> > better until you can't then... and only then... TEAR IT DOWN... grr.. hehe
>
>
>
> Hold on here, my rant is that I cannot become a teacher of history because
I
> would need to be taught myself by a teacher that was themselves taught
the
> spin given to them by their teachers.
>
> I believe that goes for most subjects except math, and some of higher
forms
> of math has been known to bring more then a few practitioners to
screaming
> matches over equations of the higher form.
>
> What is one to do when text books disagree with each other. Depending on
> what part of the country you live in decides the company that supplies
texts to
> the schools. As a navy brat, I cannot tell you the confusion I went through
> moving from school to school, learning evolution in 3 different schools
one
> year was a nightmare.
>
> As an adult I see spins put on the very things happening before my very
> eyes. When helping my children with their homework I am amazed that so
much of
> the information is ass backwards. When I tell the kids how I remember the
> "facts", if they question their teachers 9 times out of 10 I get a call by said
> teacher questioning me about where I got my information from. I have
been
> told more then once that my children are graded on the facts from their
text
> books, not from outside the text. Children are not being taught to THINK
only
> to accept what they are taught, no investigation allowed.
>
> HEY TEACHERS, LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE !!!!!!
>
> Respectfully Vesta
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Mar 27 21:39:20 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Mar 27 14:39:23 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] re re vistalll
In-Reply-To: <3rr7ej$qu2klc@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> from
"samuelmorris@charter.net" at Mar 27, 2005 09:13:14 PM
Message-ID: <20050327213920.11673.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> ok.. I see your point now.. ( it isn't that I didn't get it) I am just skeptical and I
> enjoy that form of intellectual conflict. You acctually know what the problem
> is. You aren't just screaming bloody murder at the night. So I am impressed. I
> do not have children. I do however have a very bright yet stupid younger
> brother who refuses to pay any attention in school( remindes me of me)
> Unfortunately With out these half asses textbooks we can't get into positions
> to change anything. ( And I know about the shouting matches over equations)
In one of his autobiographical works, the not-quite-mad Nobel
winning scientist Faynman said he once ended up on a committee to review
some textbooks... He Was Not Kind in his review, lambasting the idiots
for ruining our kids.
Another interesting quote by a professor regarding a medical class,
goes something like: 'We know half of what we are teaching you is
wrong; we just don't know which half.'
And what he didn't say, was that if yo don't use that half which IS
wrong... the lawyers will have you hung!
-J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk
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--- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? --
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Mar 27 16:43:34 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun Mar 27 17:43:43 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Last weeek was hell,
In-Reply-To: <20050327185545.9873.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050328004334.43012.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> Last week was hell, and next week doesn't
> look any better.
> Zyprexa Olanzapine is messing me up.
> Screwing up my sleep cycles, making me
> constantly beyond cranky, bitter, lashing
> out anger, and amplified anxiety/fear.
Barns and Noble sell the Physicians Desk Reference cheap. If
doctors keep giving you this stuff, you should look it up in the PDR,
and do research on the web regarding it. The PDR is a dog awful piece
of crap when it comes to finding anything, as you have to first know
what category anything is in, before you can find the name.
Then much of the stuff is indexed by manufacturer first, making it
doubly difficult to find anything UNLESS you are specifically looking
to choose a product for the disease you are trying to treat.
YEAH, I'VE ALREADY TRIED TO LOOK INTO THE PDR, AND IT IS JUST
ABOUT WORTHLESS FOR FINDING DRUGS AND THEIR EFFECTS.
I DID PURCHASE A STEDMAN'S MEDICAL DICTIONARY TWO MONTH'S
AGO, FROM BARNES AND NOBLE, AND HAVE CONSULTED IT, ON
MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, BUT HAD TO LEAVE IT ON THE SHELF, WHEN I
WAS HAVING EXTREME BLOOD PRESSURE FLUCTUATIONS, AND BAD
HEART PALPITATIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH, DUE TO
THE STRESS THAT IT WOULD INVOKE INSIDE OF ME, FROM ALL OF THE
MEDICAL DISEASES THAT ARE LISTED IN IT.
MY HEART STRESS ISN'T AS SEVERE AS IT WAS EARLIER THIS
MONTH, SINCE THE CLONAZEPAM IS GRADUALLY LEAVING MY
SYSTEM, BUT OLANZAPINE IS FUCKING ME UP, NOW, WITH THE
SYMPTOMS THAT I HAVE LISTED, ABOVE, AND I AM STILL HAVING TO
TAKE THINGS WAY WAY WAY SLOWED DOWN.
THINGS THAT WERE NOT STRESSFUL TO ME BEFORE, ARE MUCH MORE
STRESSFUL TO ME NOW.
Zyprexa is, among other things, a serotonin binder!!! Serotonin is
what increases blood flow and gives you a sense of confidence! This will
certainly kill it, leaving you with a Dopamine overhang, which can make
you frantic. Yes, just the way you describe! It also binds some
Dopamines, and more weakly, GABA and adrenaline.
FRANTIC IS FOR CERTAIN!
ALSO; A DOPAMINE OVERHANG IS FOR CERTAIN AS WELL, BUT I DID
NOT KNOW THE MEDICAL TERMINOLOGY FOR IT, BEFORE NOW, SINCE
YOU MENTIONED IT HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT GABA IS.
I NEED SOMETHING FOR DEFINATE CERTAINTY, FOR THE NATURAL
REDUCTION OF MY ADRENALINE, BECAUSE IT IS IN OVERKILL, AND
MY AGGRESSION IS ALSO HIGHER THAN HELL, TOO, NOW!
It is primarily used for schizophrenia and the maniac phase of
bipolar disorder. (Aren't we all maniacs in some way or other?)
>From what I understand, many schizophreniacs are such because of a
problem involving Niacin to Serotonin metabolism. L-Tryptophan, which
is more or less abundant in our diet, is supposed to be able to be
metabolized into Niacin. When white bread and polished rice hit the
market, niacin levels in the diet plunged, and those who have this
genetic variation basically developed schizophrenia due to malnutrition!
I have heard tales of a number of people who ended up being cured simply
by taking several grams of Niacin per day.
Of course, we don't know if that applies to you, but most idiot
doctors don't test for this possibility!!!
I PURCHASED SOME NIACIN, AND TRIED IT ON MYSELF, A WEEK AGO,
AND IT GAVE ME HEAT FLASHES FOR A WHILE, BUT IT EFFECTED MY
MOODS IN A STRANGE WAY, THAT I CANNOT REALLY DESCRIBE
VERY WELL, AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT HELPED ME VERY MUCH.
I ALSO EAT WHEAT BREAD ALL OF THE TIME NOW, BUT WHITE RICE
ON THE OTHER HAND; I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ESCAPE EATING WHITE
RICE, BECAUSE IT IS ABSOLUTELY EVERYWHERE, NO MATTER WHERE
ANY OF US GOES TO.
This is why you need to find someone who is a member of the Society
for Orthomolecular Psychiatry. Search for them on the web. They are
into biochemistry because, Damn the lawyers, they signed up to be
doctors, and they are going to be REAL doctors no matter what!
I SEARCHED FOR THE SOCIETY FOR ORTHOMOLECULAR PSYCHIATRY
THE OTHER DAY, BUT DIDN'T GET REAL FAR IN MY SEARCH, SO I
AM GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK, AND LOOK SOME MORE.
I DO RECALL THAT A LOT OF OTHER SITES CAME UP, BUT THE
SOCIETY FOR ORTHOMOLECULAR PSYCHIATRY WAS ONE OF THE
SITES THAT DIDN'T COME UP, WHEN I LOOKED.
I WILL LOOK AGAIN.
Zyprexa is supposed to make you sleepy, and lower your blood
pressure, or at least destabilize it, probably making it hard for you to
stand up quickly.
ZYPREXA DOES MAKE ME SLEEPY, WHICH IS GOOD, SINCE I AM
SUFFERING FROM INSOMNIA, BUT IT ALSO HAS THE UNDESIRED
'SIDE' EFFECTS THAT I LISTED ABOVE.
It is intended for short term (under six weeks) management of
psychotic states. (I'd think as a serotonin binder, it can cause
psychotic states!)
I HAVE HEARD THE DOCTORS SAY THAT IT IS FOR SHORT TERM, AND
SO NOW IT MAKES ME WONDER WHY I STILL HAVE TO TAKE THE DAMNED
NONSENSE, WHEN IT SCREWS WITH MY MIND, ESPECIALLY WHEN I
AM IN SOCIAL SITUATIONS.
Plus the thing has carnuba wax as a binder, which some people are
allergic to. Then you add the damned dyes in the pill...
I BELIEVE THAT I HAVE AN ALLERGIC REACTION TO ZYPREXA.
AFTER I TAKE IT, I HAVE BUMPS THAT FLARE UP, INSIDE OF MY MOUTH;
(CANDIDA ALBECANS?), ESPECIALLY WHEN I DRINK CERTAIN SWEET
DRINKS, AND WHEN I EAT CERTAIN CANDIES, AND EAT CERTAIN OTHER
FOODS.
WHEN I WAS TAKING CLONAZEPAM, I DID NOT HAVE THOSE REACTIONS
TO THE FOOD AND DRINK INTAKE, IS HAS BEEN ONLY WHEN I TAKE ZYPREXA
OLANZAPINE, WHEN THE BUMPS FLARE UP.
The thing is broken down by the Cytochrome P450 pathway, which
means if you have any porphyria type problems, it's damned toxic to you.
Has your urine changed color? Does your urine change color if left in
the sunlight for a day? If so, you have classical porphyria and MUST
tell your doctor that you did this classical porphyria test and it shows
your Cytochrome P450 pathways are damaged; if not, you may or may not
have one of the other porphyrias or porphyrinurias.
I HAVEN'T TRIED THE URINE TEST, BUT I CAN FIND A GLASS AND FIND
OUT, ON A SUNNY AFTERNOON, SOMETIME NEXT WEEK, POSSIBLY.
CAN THE CYTOCHROME P450 PATHWAYS BE REPAIRED?
DO YOU HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE IN THE BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS
CHARTS THAT YOU INFORMED ME OF?
I WOULD LIKE TO CHECK THE LOCAL BORDERS BOOKSTORE, OR
THE LOCAL BARNES AND NOBLE BOOKSTORE, TO SEE IF THEY STOCK
THE BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS CHARTS, OR ORDER THEM DIRECTLY
FROM ROCHE APPLIED SCIENCE.
If you can't afford a Physician's Desk Reference, then go find one
in your local library.
I'VE ALREADY CONSULTED THE PDR ON MY OWN, AND IT IS WORTHLESS
TO ME, UNLESS I POSSIBLY BUY ONE, AND THEN GO TO THE LOCAL
WALGREENS OR ANOTHER LOCAL PHARMACY, AND HAVE A PHARMACIST
HELP ME TO FIND THE INFORMATION THAT I NEED, WHEN I NEED IT???
WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST?
Another good book is the Merk Manual.
FUCK MERK, UNLESS IT IS OF SOME BENEFIT, BUT MERK IS COMPLETE
COMMERCIALISM, AT ITS DICTATORIAL STRONGEST!
It has been my experience that since the lawyers don't allow the
doctors to practice real medicine anymore, you have to be your own
doctor.
I AM WILLING TO BE MY OWN DOCTOR NOW, BECAUSE I AM SICK OF
CONVENTION CRAP.
Orthomolecular medicine is kind of like Open Source software -- you
get to see and understand what is being used, and since it is all
nutritional, you can try using it yourself without all the legal
consequences of prescription drugs.
I THINK THAT MY PSYCHIATRIST DOCTOR THAT I WAS SEEING, IS NOW
AFRAID THAT I MIGHT BRING A LAWSUIT AGAINST HIM, BUT I AM NOT
GOING TO PLAY THAT GAME; I DON'T LIKE WASTING MY TIME WITH
LAWYERS, AND SO I AM JUST GOING TO FIRE THAT DOCTOR, AND
GET A NEW ONE; ONE THAT WORKS WITH ME, AND NOT ONE THAT
WORKS AGAINST ME.
ORTHOMOLECULAR MEDICINE SOUNDS COOL, AND REAL, BECAUSE I
AM FED UP WITH PHARMACOLOGY; PHARMA-PSEUDICAL; SO-CALLED
MEDICINE.
CONVENTION DRUGS ONLY OFFER CYCLES.
BUT I WANT SOLUTIONS, AND NOT CYCLES.
ALL DIS-EASE NEEDS ANTI-DOTE; ANTI-DIS-EASE, AND I AM SICK AND TIRED
OF CONVENTION "MEDICINE", BECAUSE IT DOES NOT OFFER PERMANENT
FIXTURES.
I WANT PERMANENT FIXTURES, FOR EVERYTHING!!!
I AM AT A FUCKING DISCREPANCY NOW, WITH THE TERMINOLOGY OF THE
WORD: MEDICINE, WHEN IT IS APPLIED TO PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, OR
ANY OTHER DRUGS FOR THAT MATTER; TO THE DRUGS THAT DO NOT
PERMANENTLY HEAL.
THE TERM; MEDICINE, WHEN APPLIED TO PHARMACEUDICALS, IS A
PSEUDONYM, AND IS FAKE.
Ayep, in the eyes of conventional medicine, I guess that really
does make us mad!
MADDER THAN A FUCKING HATTER!!!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun Mar 27 18:07:45 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I intended to type: Last week was hell.
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I intended to type: Last week was hell, and not:
Last weeek was hell.
I have become a stickler for clarity, even though
I cannot always make it perfectly so, since I
have to be human!
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Mar 28 13:37:44 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Last weeek was hell,
In-Reply-To: <20050328004334.43012.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 27, 2005 04:43:34 PM
Message-ID: <20050328203739.20566.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> YEAH, I'VE ALREADY TRIED TO LOOK INTO THE PDR, AND IT IS JUST
> ABOUT WORTHLESS FOR FINDING DRUGS AND THEIR EFFECTS.
Once you find the drug, then it is useful. Finding the drug is a
real pain!
You are describing a lot of the symptoms of the drug you are
taking. You really need to complain about that.
> I DID PURCHASE A STEDMAN'S MEDICAL DICTIONARY TWO MONTH'S
> AGO, FROM BARNES AND NOBLE, AND HAVE CONSULTED IT, ON
> MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, BUT HAD TO LEAVE IT ON THE SHELF, WHEN I
> WAS HAVING EXTREME BLOOD PRESSURE FLUCTUATIONS, AND BAD
Low blood pressure does mess up the brain a bit... Been there!
> HEART PALPITATIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH, DUE TO
> THE STRESS THAT IT WOULD INVOKE INSIDE OF ME, FROM ALL OF THE
> MEDICAL DISEASES THAT ARE LISTED IN IT.
> MY HEART STRESS ISN'T AS SEVERE AS IT WAS EARLIER THIS
> MONTH, SINCE THE CLONAZEPAM IS GRADUALLY LEAVING MY
> SYSTEM, BUT OLANZAPINE IS FUCKING ME UP, NOW, WITH THE
> SYMPTOMS THAT I HAVE LISTED, ABOVE, AND I AM STILL HAVING TO
> TAKE THINGS WAY WAY WAY SLOWED DOWN.
Understood.
> THINGS THAT WERE NOT STRESSFUL TO ME BEFORE, ARE MUCH MORE
> STRESSFUL TO ME NOW.
The thing I admire about you, is that you are hanging on and not
letting go of that drive to KNOW! That is what kept me alive when I was
just about written off for dead. I was not a passive patient. I kept
doing research. That impressed the Right doctor. It also told me that
he was the Right doctor for me!
> Zyprexa is, among other things, a serotonin binder!!! Serotonin is
> what increases blood flow and gives you a sense of confidence! This will
> certainly kill it, leaving you with a Dopamine overhang, which can make
> you frantic. Yes, just the way you describe! It also binds some
> Dopamines, and more weakly, GABA and adrenaline.
>
> FRANTIC IS FOR CERTAIN!
>
> ALSO; A DOPAMINE OVERHANG IS FOR CERTAIN AS WELL, BUT I DID
> NOT KNOW THE MEDICAL TERMINOLOGY FOR IT, BEFORE NOW, SINCE
> YOU MENTIONED IT HERE.
It's not a medical term, it's just a description of too much
Dopamine for the amount of serotonin you have. Dopamine constricts the
blood vessels, serotonin expands them. Serotonin is how your brain
steers it's thought -- by expanding blood vessels to the area which
reported some relevance to the current thought, so that the responding
area gets more blood, allowing the neurons to oscillate faster.
Prozac blasts all of that open. Depression is often a broad
reduction of circulation in the brain, not allowing any section to
respond to similarities. When all the circulation is open, one has the
steering problems in reverse, the brain starts wandering off on dominant
themes, often ignoring the nagging things called empathy, regard for
others, etc.
Niacin can improve circulation. L-tryptophan is metabolized into
serotonin. Certain foods are rich in it, like almonds.
> I DON'T KNOW WHAT GABA IS.
It is one of the most common neurotransmitters in the brain, used to
alter messaging. Google it, there's a lot on it.
Google is the greatest invention known to man, short of the
automobile, electricity, computer, and the internet. If only I had that
when I was sick!!!
> I NEED SOMETHING FOR DEFINATE CERTAINTY, FOR THE NATURAL
> REDUCTION OF MY ADRENALINE, BECAUSE IT IS IN OVERKILL, AND
> MY AGGRESSION IS ALSO HIGHER THAN HELL, TOO, NOW!
Some people say niacin, iodine, and vitamin C reduce tension. I
put myself into a classical Buddhist state of nirvana with iodine once.
I was using Dulse, a seaweed for the iodine source. Nirvana is much
over-rated. Felt like a straight jacket for the floating focus on beauty
and the loss of Engineering Logic! But that's only because engineering
logic is a habit of my mind. Most dim wits who go the Buddhist path
early in their lives never develop other habits of the mind, locking
themselves into a life of servile dimwittedness, to which Buddhism is
well suited.
> >From what I understand, many schizophreniacs are such because of a
> problem involving Niacin to Serotonin metabolism. L-Tryptophan, which
> is more or less abundant in our diet, is supposed to be able to be
> metabolized into Niacin. When white bread and polished rice hit the
> market, niacin levels in the diet plunged, and those who have this
> genetic variation basically developed schizophrenia due to malnutrition!
> I have heard tales of a number of people who ended up being cured simply
> by taking several grams of Niacin per day.
>
> I PURCHASED SOME NIACIN, AND TRIED IT ON MYSELF, A WEEK AGO,
> AND IT GAVE ME HEAT FLASHES FOR A WHILE, BUT IT EFFECTED MY
It can give you a real flush if you take a lot... whether that is
too much or not depends on how you take that flush. I like it.
> MOODS IN A STRANGE WAY, THAT I CANNOT REALLY DESCRIBE
> VERY WELL, AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT HELPED ME VERY MUCH.
> I ALSO EAT WHEAT BREAD ALL OF THE TIME NOW, BUT WHITE RICE
> ON THE OTHER HAND; I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ESCAPE EATING WHITE
> RICE, BECAUSE IT IS ABSOLUTELY EVERYWHERE, NO MATTER WHERE
> ANY OF US GOES TO.
It is not bad as long as you get enough vitamins to balance the
loss of vitamins from the rice bran.
If you have food allergies, or candida, then a rotating diet tends
to do better than one which has the same things all the time. I've been
on a rotating diet for some 20 years... but it is Damned Hard to do.
> This is why you need to find someone who is a member of the Society
> for Orthomolecular Psychiatry. Search for them on the web. They are
> into biochemistry because, Damn the lawyers, they signed up to be
> doctors, and they are going to be REAL doctors no matter what!
>
>
> I SEARCHED FOR THE SOCIETY FOR ORTHOMOLECULAR PSYCHIATRY
> THE OTHER DAY, BUT DIDN'T GET REAL FAR IN MY SEARCH, SO I
> AM GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK, AND LOOK SOME MORE.
>
> I DO RECALL THAT A LOT OF OTHER SITES CAME UP, BUT THE
> SOCIETY FOR ORTHOMOLECULAR PSYCHIATRY WAS ONE OF THE
> SITES THAT DIDN'T COME UP, WHEN I LOOKED.
> I WILL LOOK AGAIN.
Go to http://www.orthomed.org/ they have a link to orthomolecular
medicine in schizophrenia and several other links well worth exploring.
http://www.orthomed.com is my doctor, but he's not organized his
links.... (Groan!)
> Zyprexa is supposed to make you sleepy, and lower your blood
> pressure, or at least destabilize it, probably making it hard for you to
> stand up quickly.
>
> ZYPREXA DOES MAKE ME SLEEPY, WHICH IS GOOD, SINCE I AM
> SUFFERING FROM INSOMNIA, BUT IT ALSO HAS THE UNDESIRED
> 'SIDE' EFFECTS THAT I LISTED ABOVE.
I have used Melatonin (cardiovascular research brand or arteria
brand) to help me with sleep. Amount needed varies from person to
person, one capsule knocks out my accountant, but I can stay up despite
three capsules if I want to.
> psychotic states. (I'd think as a serotonin binder, it can cause
> psychotic states!)
>
>
> I HAVE HEARD THE DOCTORS SAY THAT IT IS FOR SHORT TERM, AND
> SO NOW IT MAKES ME WONDER WHY I STILL HAVE TO TAKE THE DAMNED
> NONSENSE, WHEN IT SCREWS WITH MY MIND, ESPECIALLY WHEN I
> AM IN SOCIAL SITUATIONS.
Short term management is not cure, it is just to deal with a short
term situation while they figure out what else to do...
> Plus the thing has carnuba wax as a binder, which some people are
> allergic to. Then you add the damned dyes in the pill...
>
>
> I BELIEVE THAT I HAVE AN ALLERGIC REACTION TO ZYPREXA.
> AFTER I TAKE IT, I HAVE BUMPS THAT FLARE UP, INSIDE OF MY MOUTH;
> (CANDIDA ALBECANS?), ESPECIALLY WHEN I DRINK CERTAIN SWEET
> DRINKS, AND WHEN I EAT CERTAIN CANDIES, AND EAT CERTAIN OTHER
> FOODS.
BINGO!!!
Candida puts out a whole bunch of hormone analogues and neurotoxins
(aldehydes, ketones, etc. Some variants even produce alcohol).
In my case, it was living in the ears, close to the brain, so that
when my blood pressure fell, the diffusion of the toxins into the brain
was not well diluted. And the drainage would recolonize the gut despite
tons of gut oriented anti-fungals
How easily is it for you to pop your ears?
Pinch your nose, close your mouth, and suck. Do you feel a
popping? Does it un-pop when you let go, or does it take a lot of jaw
motion before they un-pop? This is the thing I did every hour for
several months to get the ears draining well.
If you tend to sleep on one side, there will be some tendency for
one ear to have more of a buildup of fluid, and resistance to popping,
than the other.
> WHEN I WAS TAKING CLONAZEPAM, I DID NOT HAVE THOSE REACTIONS
> TO THE FOOD AND DRINK INTAKE, IS HAS BEEN ONLY WHEN I TAKE ZYPREXA
> OLANZAPINE, WHEN THE BUMPS FLARE UP.
Interesting... Don't know the significance, though adrenaline in
itself will suppress the immune system and constrict circulation.
> The thing is broken down by the Cytochrome P450 pathway, which
> means if you have any porphyria type problems, it's damned toxic to you.
> Has your urine changed color? Does your urine change color if left in
> the sunlight for a day? If so, you have classical porphyria and MUST
> tell your doctor that you did this classical porphyria test and it shows
> your Cytochrome P450 pathways are damaged; if not, you may or may not
> have one of the other porphyrias or porphyrinurias.
>
>
> I HAVEN'T TRIED THE URINE TEST, BUT I CAN FIND A GLASS AND FIND
> OUT, ON A SUNNY AFTERNOON, SOMETIME NEXT WEEK, POSSIBLY.
> CAN THE CYTOCHROME P450 PATHWAYS BE REPAIRED?
Well.... that depends. Porphyrinogens become porphyrins (toxins)
by the loss of hydrogen. The kidneys trade hydrogen for sodium and
other alkaline salt-metal elements to conserve them. Most porphyria
victims report loss of salt, salt cravings, etc.
Vitamin C is a hydrogen donor. So the first level may be upping
vitamin C dosage. That's one of the reasons we believe I don't have
classical porphyria symptoms most of the time... though porphyria is
only a working diagnosis, not a for sure thing.
there are several types of porphyrias, as well as several causes.
Heavy use of drugs which are detoxified by the P450 pathways can induce
a temporary form of porphyria. As can heavy exposure to toxins detoxed
the same way... how heavy depends upon how much toxins already in your
body, as well as how strong the exposure is.
I react very badly to many solvents. My kidneys start draining, my
blood pressure falls because the kidneys are doing emergency duty trying
to drain toxins out. And some toxins appear to cause vascular spasming
in the lower centers of my brain, messing up coordination. I have a
pattern of taps I do to see how much coordination I have; but basically,
I loose the ability to lift my right toes, forcing me to walk uphill
backwards, dragging the right foot. (And there are a lot of hills,
stairs, etc. here on this property!)
That is light exposure. Then it goes on to make it impossible say
longer words, forcing me to spell them. As toxins increase, I lose the
ability to say most words, and eventually I lose the ability to even
spell words. As blood pressure falls, I have to lay down, raise my legs
into the air, even stand on my shoulders while my legs, now white for
lack of blood, hurt like hell for lack of oxygen.
> DO YOU HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE IN THE BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS
> CHARTS THAT YOU INFORMED ME OF?
My charts are not up because of lack of wall space. I am living in
an 8x8 room, part of an 8x16 cabin on a trailer.
> I WOULD LIKE TO CHECK THE LOCAL BORDERS BOOKSTORE, OR
> THE LOCAL BARNES AND NOBLE BOOKSTORE, TO SEE IF THEY STOCK
> THE BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS CHARTS, OR ORDER THEM DIRECTLY
They may be able to order them...
Biochemical Pathways, Gerhard Michal, Editor,
Boehringer Mannheim (publisher?)
This is part of a book, but you should be able to get the chart
separately.
> FROM ROCHE APPLIED SCIENCE.
I don't know what Roche has.
> I'VE ALREADY CONSULTED THE PDR ON MY OWN, AND IT IS WORTHLESS
> TO ME, UNLESS I POSSIBLY BUY ONE, AND THEN GO TO THE LOCAL
> WALGREENS OR ANOTHER LOCAL PHARMACY, AND HAVE A PHARMACIST
> HELP ME TO FIND THE INFORMATION THAT I NEED, WHEN I NEED IT???
It is one way. It takes me a while to find things in the PDR, but I
can eventually find them.
> Another good book is the Merk Manual.
>
> FUCK MERK, UNLESS IT IS OF SOME BENEFIT, BUT MERK IS COMPLETE
> COMMERCIALISM, AT ITS DICTATORIAL STRONGEST!
It is a standard diagnostic manual I use to have. My ex wife walked
off with it.
> It has been my experience that since the lawyers don't allow the
> doctors to practice real medicine anymore, you have to be your own
> doctor.
>
> I AM WILLING TO BE MY OWN DOCTOR NOW, BECAUSE I AM SICK OF
> CONVENTION CRAP.
We're all in about the same boat. A really good doctor, if he sees
you asking intelligent questions, will act more as a partner than a God.
> Orthomolecular medicine is kind of like Open Source software -- you
> get to see and understand what is being used, and since it is all
> nutritional, you can try using it yourself without all the legal
> consequences of prescription drugs.
>
> I THINK THAT MY PSYCHIATRIST DOCTOR THAT I WAS SEEING, IS NOW
> AFRAID THAT I MIGHT BRING A LAWSUIT AGAINST HIM, BUT I AM NOT
> GOING TO PLAY THAT GAME; I DON'T LIKE WASTING MY TIME WITH
> LAWYERS, AND SO I AM JUST GOING TO FIRE THAT DOCTOR, AND
> GET A NEW ONE; ONE THAT WORKS WITH ME, AND NOT ONE THAT
> WORKS AGAINST ME.
Yes.
> ORTHOMOLECULAR MEDICINE SOUNDS COOL, AND REAL, BECAUSE I
> AM FED UP WITH PHARMACOLOGY; PHARMA-PSEUDICAL; SO-CALLED
> MEDICINE.
That's just about the attitude of my doctor!
> CONVENTION DRUGS ONLY OFFER CYCLES.
> BUT I WANT SOLUTIONS, AND NOT CYCLES.
Conventional medicine treats symptoms, not causes. Cure the
patient, and he goes away. Treat the symptom, and you have a revenue
stream for life.
> ALL DIS-EASE NEEDS ANTI-DOTE; ANTI-DIS-EASE, AND I AM SICK AND TIRED
> OF CONVENTION "MEDICINE", BECAUSE IT DOES NOT OFFER PERMANENT
> FIXTURES.
But in many cases the body will heal itself. (That's, um, about
the only thing that can heal the body.) Orthomolecular medicine tries to
get the body to heal itself. So does Homeopathic medicine; but whereas
we don't know how homeopathic medicine really works, we do know how
orthomolecular medicine works -- we're looking at the basic plans for
the body's manufacturing plant, and trying to adjust the flow of raw
materials to make up for bottlenecks caused by damaged machinery.
> I WANT PERMANENT FIXTURES, FOR EVERYTHING!!!
> I AM AT A FUCKING DISCREPANCY NOW, WITH THE TERMINOLOGY OF THE
> WORD: MEDICINE, WHEN IT IS APPLIED TO PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, OR
> ANY OTHER DRUGS FOR THAT MATTER; TO THE DRUGS THAT DO NOT
> PERMANENTLY HEAL.
In most cases, this is true.
> THE TERM; MEDICINE, WHEN APPLIED TO PHARMACEUDICALS, IS A
> PSEUDONYM, AND IS FAKE.
I would not go that far. Close!!! But not that far.
It is a system with systemic biases. It is somewhat better than
much of what came before it; but it has some rather glaring flaws. One
has to judge what of it to use, and when to look into alternatives.
Judging is hard. Sometimes the price of judging wrong is merely pain and
delays, other times it is death.
What I like about conventional medicine, is the accurate lab tests.
I always advocate a good set of lab tests before even thinking of going
off to the alternative medicine route. Conventional medicine does
rather well with short term problems, like saving you from infections,
patching you back together after accidents, etc.
But conventional medicine tends to do badly with long term
conditions like heart disease, allergies, some biochemical imbalances,
etc.
You have to pick and choose, accept that life is not forever. and
that accept the responsibility that if you choose wrong, you may die
because of your choice, and no one else should be blamed for your
mistakes. (Even if they contributed to it.) Blame and anger blind one.
Anger robs one of one's time and energy, often keeping one from trying
other solutions.
Got to keep trying, got to keep trying. Got to keep trying to
understand what is going on, to figure out how to change things, and to
try to change them.
All experiments require a log book. That's why I alway suggest
keeping a Foods, Feelings and Faculties diary to help you go back and
see when this or that started and what you were taking and eating at
those times.
Keep trying, Clyde, keep trying.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 20:22:38 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Mar 30 21:23:14 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Well, Javilk, I did my own urine test.
Message-ID: <20050331042238.62979.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
I did my own urine test over the
time period of yesterday and today.
I let the urine sit outside most
of yesterday afternoon, all night
last night, and for most of today.
I checked it earlier, and there is
'a globule of' substance that has
congealed amidst the rest of the
contents.
Does this say anything about my
ailment, that you know of?
I am going to be purchasing a
small portion of a large diameter
PVC pipe, hopefully on Friday, to
cut to size and use as a former
for the electromagnet in the
electromagnetic brainwave
entrainment project.
The knitters hoops are just not
good enough; just too damned
difficult to work with.
I will be using silicone, to hold
the magnet wire to the PVC
coil former.
I need to keep this e-mail
posting short, because the
Olanzapine is making my brain
feel as though it is being eaten
by acid, to where I am having
holes in my thinking processes.
I hate Olanzapine, and I am
in need of a perfect alternative;
a perfect wholistic alternative.
I experimented with herbals
and florals, but the majority of
them are nonsense, and are
also dangerous.
I am unable to go to any local
universities to have chemical
analysis done on all of the
herbs and flors.
I need to go.
I'd like to respond to your
other postings, but my
time scedule is now all
fucked up, and I am sick
and tired all of the time now.
Zyprexa Olanzapine is not
only fucking with my mind,
but it is also fucking with
my immune system too.
How do I know?
Because I can feel it!
I have a bad allergy, or cold
at the moment, and there are
some bumps that have flared
up, in the palm of my right
hand; first itching, and then
hurting.
I need to go.
I hope you can respond soon.
Thanks sincerely, Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Mar 31 06:24:17 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Mar 30 23:24:30 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Well, Javilk, I did my own urine test.
In-Reply-To: <20050331042238.62979.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Mar 30, 2005 08:22:38 PM
Message-ID: <20050331062417.4762.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I did my own urine test over the
> time period of yesterday and today.
> I let the urine sit outside most
> of yesterday afternoon, all night
> last night, and for most of today.
> I checked it earlier, and there is
> 'a globule of' substance that has
> congealed amidst the rest of the
> contents.
Sediment is not uncommon. Particularly if one is eating oats,
spinach, rhubarb, or other oxalate rich foods.
> Does this say anything about my
> ailment, that you know of?
> I am going to be purchasing a
> small portion of a large diameter
> PVC pipe, hopefully on Friday, to
> cut to size and use as a former
> for the electromagnet in the
> electromagnetic brainwave
> entrainment project.
> The knitters hoops are just not
> good enough; just too damned
> difficult to work with.
> I will be using silicone, to hold
> the magnet wire to the PVC
> coil former.
I covered the wire on the hoops with more Elmers glue, and that
worked for me... A foot diameter PVC pipe? Bit expensive, I think.
TAP Plastics might have something cheaper... They are in many cities. Or
check your yellow pages for plastics.
> I need to keep this e-mail
> posting short, because the
> Olanzapine is making my brain
> feel as though it is being eaten
> by acid, to where I am having
> holes in my thinking processes.
> I hate Olanzapine, and I am
> in need of a perfect alternative;
> a perfect wholistic alternative.
> I experimented with herbals
> and florals, but the majority of
> them are nonsense, and are
> also dangerous.
> I am unable to go to any local
> universities to have chemical
> analysis done on all of the
> herbs and flors.
Few bother.
> I need to go.
> I'd like to respond to your
> other postings, but my
> time scedule is now all
> fucked up, and I am sick
> and tired all of the time now.
> Zyprexa Olanzapine is not
> only fucking with my mind,
> but it is also fucking with
> my immune system too.
> How do I know?
> Because I can feel it!
> I have a bad allergy, or cold
> at the moment, and there are
> some bumps that have flared
> up, in the palm of my right
> hand; first itching, and then
> hurting.
> I need to go.
> I hope you can respond soon.
Keep at it, Clyde, we're rooting for you.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
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Chem / Fungus allergies
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Mar 31 06:48:10 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Mar 30 23:48:12 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Well, Javilk, I did my own urine test.
In-Reply-To: <20050331062417.4762.qmail@mall-net.com> from
"javilk@mall-net.com" at Mar 31, 2005 06:24:17 AM
Message-ID: <20050331064810.17477.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > Does this say anything about my
> > ailment, that you know of?
> > I am going to be purchasing a
> > small portion of a large diameter
> > PVC pipe, hopefully on Friday, to
> > cut to size and use as a former
> > for the electromagnet in the
> > electromagnetic brainwave
> > entrainment project.
> > The knitters hoops are just not
> > good enough; just too damned
> > difficult to work with.
> > I will be using silicone, to hold
> > the magnet wire to the PVC
> > coil former.
Oh, I forgot to add, most "silicon" isn't silicon rubber anymore.
It's a collection of crap with solvents and other toxic stuff to reduce
the "odor" or acetic acid from the true silicon rubber forming
reactions. You need to look for "aquarium seal" type RTV Silicon Rubber.
The regular stuff is so toxic it will kill fish fairly quickly.
> I covered the wire on the hoops with more Elmers glue, and that
> worked for me... A foot diameter PVC pipe? Bit expensive, I think.
> TAP Plastics might have something cheaper... They are in many cities. Or
> check your yellow pages for plastics.
>
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained.
Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.