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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 21:49:12 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Apr 12 21:49:24 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various things.
In-Reply-To: <20050406084841.60542.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050413044912.9403.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
> I went to see my primary care physician today,
> and he refused to test me for Candida Albecans,
> but did give me a prescription for the drug known
> as: Clonidine.
That's not an anti-fungal. It's an anti-hypertensive. With the
usual complement of corn starch (have any corn allergies?) food coloring
(some have serious reactions to those...) and methylparaben (a possible
sensitizer), propylparaben, etc. You can find more Googling it.
I DON'T HAVE ANY ALLERGIES, WITH CORN STARCH, OR FOOD COLORING,
THAT I KNOW OF.
CLONIDINE AND OLANZAPINE ARE FUCKING WITH ME, AND ARE FUCKING UP
MY MIND, MAKING ME MISERABLE, AND PARANOID, AND ARE GIVING ME
GREAT, MAJOR, BITTER ANGER, TOO.
I AM FED UP WITH DRUGS: ALL DRUGS.
I WANT SOLUTIONS: PERMANENT SOLUTIONS.
I STILL HAVE TO WIND THE MAGNET WIRE ON THE PVC FORMER, FOR THE
BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT PROJECT.
I CANNOT EVEN AFFORD ONE TUBE OF SILCONE RTV RIGHT NOW.
I FUCKING HATE MONEY.
THE CLONIDINE CAUSES ME HEART TROUBLE.
FUCK CLONIDINE.
I DON'T WANT OLANZAPINE (ZYPREXA) ANYMORE, BUT I AM SUFFERING
FROM INSOMNIA, AND SO IT IS ALL THAT I HAVE TO FALL BACK ON, AT THE
TIME BEING.
Some of us with damaged Cytochrome P-450 systems don't do well with
things like this. (Too far gone to look it up in my PDR tonight.
Terrible night last night due to three mice keeping me up.)
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE CYTOCHROME P-450 PATHWAYS ARE?
MAYBE NEXT MONTH I CAN GET THE BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS CHARTS;
THERE ARE TWO OF THEM, I FOUND OUT, AVAILABLE DIRECTLY, FROM
ROCHE APPLIED SCIENCE.
> By this time tomorrow, I should be feeling good,
> from the effects of it.
WELL, I ASSUMED WRONG; CLONIDINE IS A COMPLETE CROCK.
I FEEL JUST AS MISERABLE ON CLONIDINE, AS I DO, ON OLANZAPINE.
> Relative to Clonazepam, Clonidine is said to not
> be addictive.
> Although the stance that I take, is that all drugs
> are addictve, if obsessed over.
ALL DRUGS ARE ADDICTIVE,,,, AND I AM FUCKING PISSED AT THE DAMNED
MAINSTREAM DOCTORS, AND PHARMACOLOGY NOW.
I AM READY NOW, TO BRING A LAWSUIT AGAINST SEVERAL OF THE
PHARAMACOLOGY INDUSTRIES, FOR FUCKING PEOPLE'S LIVES UP,
AND ALTERING THE ELECTRONEUROCHEMISTRY OF THE PHYSIOLOGICAL
WHOLE; (THE PHYSIOLOGICAL WHOLISM), INTO A MAJOR DISORDER; (A
MAJOR SABOTAGED ORDER); (ORDER TO DISORDER).
They say diuretics are better anti-hypertensives than anything
else. Potassium is a good one, if not overdone, vitamin C helps too;
but trace minerals are REQUIRED or you will run out of things like
copper, magnesium, etc. and suffer.
I'D EAT MORE BANANNA'S, BUT MONEY IS ALREADY VERY SLIM, WITH
WHAT SMALL AMOUNT THAT I HAVE, TO WASTE ON THE NONSENSICAL
PRICE, OF GASOLINE.
I TRIED Q-10, BUT IT NEGATIVELY EFFECTED MY CARDIOLOGY WITH
INCREASED HEART PALPITATIONS, AND SO I DISCONTIUED TAKING
THAT.
I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING FISH OIL, SINCE IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT
IT IS ACTUALLY MUCH BETTER, THAN CONSUMING OLIVE OIL.
> Regardless of my doctor's refusal to check for
> Candida Albecans, he let me get a blood test
> today, after I wrote up a list, of seven things to
> test for, including; Candida.
> So he may actually have the lab test me, for
> Candida, but he didn't inform me if that would
> be tested for, or not.
Professor F. C. Odds, in his textbook "Candida and Candidosis" says
it is hard to test for candida, because while the infection is active,
it is quite effective in soaking up all antibodies against it. Drs.
Trowbridge and Walker lay out some simple effective therapies in "The
Yeast Syndrome", a Bantam paperback in the $5 - $10 range. Dr. Crook's
"The Yeast Connection" series really isn't as good.
I'd try to get a copy of "The Yeast Syndrome". The rotating diet
plan is excellent for the immune system even if you don't really have
Candida!
> So I will just assume that I have Candida, and
> start treating myself for it, if possible, like you
> did.
> Can you inform me to the ways and means
> that you treated yourself, for Candida?
> And did you cure yourself of it?
My big deal was _warm_ hydrogen peroxide and fresh squeezed garlic
juice in the ears. Garlic and red onions tend to be quite effective as
soup too; but there is the unpleasant part about smelling like garlic
for three to four days afterwards. (Of course, that's after I ate a
pound of garlic and two or three pounds of red onions made as soup the
night before, and laced with acidophilous cultures to help get the gut
ecology going again.) And if one does have an active infection, all the
candida cells dying and spilling their toxic contents at nearly the same
time often cause one substantial discomfort for some hours to a day.
Plus the little problem I had of being evicted from two places and
fired from another for making this witch's brew and smelling (reeking)
of it. I'd eat it as three meals on Saturday, and one of my bosses
would walk in to my office even Tuesday, grab his throat, and say "There
are no vampires within 50 miles of here!" We'd laugh about that. He's
a really good guy, came to understand a lot of my health problems and we
worked together really well. We still talk every couple of weeks, and
it's been some 17 years since the IBM project. We did some really good
stuff at IBM then! He's one of the best and brightest managers I've
ever had. In another place, they just marched me out the door... Ah,
the life of a wandering consultant...
After some two years of eating the stuff, I no longer had much of a
problem. At least, till some idiot doctor prescribed a tetracycline
derivative... Then WHAM! I had Candida again. Had to go on Diflucan
plus other antibiotics, eat the heavy garlic and onion soups again, etc.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS, IN THE TETRACYCLINE, THAT CAUSED THE
CANDIDA TO RETURN?
WAS THE CANDIDA STILL WITH YOU, REGARDLESS OF YOU EATING THE
LARGE AMOUNTS OF GARLIC AND ONIONS?
> I question if it could possibly be in my lungs
> if I have it, because it has become so damned
> difficult to breath now; to both automatically,
> and manually, intake air, at will.
Suggests either respiratory or metabolic alkalosis. It's a problem
with those who have low body temperature, vegetarians like myself, and
those who have had serious carbon monoxide poisoning. Albert Donnay at
http://www.mcsrr.org/ talks about CO poisoning, and other problems of
those who are sensitive or reactive to many chemicals.
I HATE TO SAY THIS, (I ONLY EXPERIMENTED WITH MARIJUANA; DIDN'T
USE IT ON MY OWN;) BUT THERE WAS ONE OCCASION WHERE I WAS AT
A HOUSE WITH PEOPLE WHO I DIDN'T KNOW, AND I INTOOK A VERY LARGE
AMOUNT OF MARIJUANA SMOKE, THROUGH A WATER BONG; IT DID NOT FEEL
GOOD AT ALL, AND I REGRET DOING THAT.
I WONDER IF THAT COULD HAVE CAUSED ME SERIOUS, PERMANENT,
NEUROTIC HARM???
Asthma-like symptoms, if this is what it is, and I don't know
since I've never had "real" asthma, could be due to Aspergilis in the
lungs. Some 10% of the genuine cases are found to have this.
I'VE NEVER HAD TRUE ASTHMA, BUT MY BREATHING CAUSES ME TO FEEL
THE EFFECTS, THAT HAVE SIMILARITIES TO FEELINGS OF ASTHMA.
For me, sniffing CO2 recently has helped me trigger reflexes
generating deeper breathing patterns. If one has low body temperature
like I have, one probably has low metabolism, so one ends up with low
CO2 generation and hence reduced breathing. We've just discussed this
thing on the Immune list. Breathing small quantities of CO2 (less than 1
- 2% overall) acidifies the blood. Blood pH regulates breathing, so
when the blood gets acidic, breathing picks up. That gets more oxygen
into the system WITHOUT the effects of a bad pH rise, and in my case,
that prompts an increase in metabolism, which then generates more CO2 to
sustain deeper breathing long after the one or two sniffs of high
quantity CO2. (Think seltzer bottles. Most BB gun CO2 cartridges are
loaded with lubricants, etc. and is NOT for human consumption!)
I'D LIKE TO TRY CO2, BUT I THINK THAT YOU SAID THAT THE EFFECTS DO NOT
LAST VERY LONG AFTERWARDS, IN ONE OF YOUR OTHER RESPONSES,
AND VINEGAR; I HAVE ALWAYS HATED VINEGAR, BUT I TRIED A LITTLE BIT
OF IT, STRAIGHT FROM THE BOTTLE, TWICE; ONCE YESTERDAY, AND
ANOTHER TIME, THE DAY BEFORE, AND IT SEEMED TO HELP A LITTLE BIT.
THANKS VESTA, FOR THE INFORMATION REGARDING VINEGAR INTAKE!
HOW MUCH IS IT, THAT YOU INTAKE, EXACTLY, EACH MORNING???
IS IT A FULL GLASS OR A FULL CUP OF VINEGAR, ALONG WITH THE ICE
THAT YOU MENTIONED???
The other thing was to monitor urine pH. Yes, some idiot doctors
get all upset when they see a person paying so much attention to their
bodily functions; but it was an early warning sign seeing my pH shift
upwards before I started having breathing problems, reacting to wood
smoke, etc. A that point, I'd start taking more ascorbic acid. If I
could keep the pH below 6, I'd not get that bad a set of reactions. If
I didn't, it would get bad!
I HAVE TAKEN SOME VITAMIN C, AFTER PURCHASING A BOTTLE OF IT, FROM
A LOCAL HEALTH AND NUTRICIAN STORE, AND IT SEEMED TO INCREASE THE
NEGATIVE FEELING IN MY HEART; HEART PALPITATIONS, MURMURS, LOW
BLOOD PRESSURE, AND MY HEART FEELING LIKE IT WAS GOING TO
EXPLODE, AND SO I WOKE UP A FEW TIMES, LAST MONTH, DURING THE
NIGHT, AND DRANK SOME WATER, AND THE WATER HELPED EVER SO
SLIGHTLY, BUT DIDN'T HELP ENTIRELY.
Later, we started watching my blood pressure. Wood smoke and other
things would make it fall from 120/70, to 96/... at about 98/..., I
could barely write the blood pressure down. Much below 96/..., I
couldn't even work the cuff to take it.
Today, I'd also chart my body temperature! As it drops below 97.0,
all kinds of things would start going wrong... and I do believe that it
was the combination of pH and body temperature that was much of the
problem.
I CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANY WAYS AND MEANS OF CHECKING MY
PH LEVEL, AND/OR BALANCE.
WHAT INSTRUMENTS, AND EQUIPMENT ARE REQUIRED TO CHECK PH
LEVELS, AND BALANCE?
When a competent physician sees records like that, he may start
believing something is wrong. Though those who don't... tend to want
you to stop because you are showing them something they don't
understand, and may be held liable for not understanding.
THE LIABILITY ISSUE SEEMS TO BE HAUNTING BOTH THE PSYCHIATRIST
THAT I WAS SEEING, AS WELL AS MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN DOCTOR
THAT I WENT TO SEE LAST TUESDAY.
MY P.C.P. GOT A LITTLE ANGRY AT ME, FOR ASKING HIM TOO MANY
QUESTIONS.
In your case, the blood pressure and body temperature may go up
instead of down, I don't know. I'm just saying that I kept some records
which showed me clear phsyological responses, and the effect of my
therapies. When I walked a summary of those records in to two young
doctors at Yale, they... as one put it, the first time he read it he
thought I was nuts; but he saw it was clear I was measuring something.
On second reading it was clear I was doing science in treating myself,
trying things and tracking the results. And so he read it the third
time, thinking about what the effects of what I was doing were, and
concluded I knew a lot more about the problem than they did. While that
didn't help me... It did give me some sense that the approach was sound,
and I was on the right track.
Sometimes us mad scientists have to experiment on ourselves.
WELL, I AM WILLING TO EXPERIMENT ON MYSELF.
I ALREADY HAVE, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BECAUSE I AM FED UP
WITH PHARMA-PSEUDO-CALS.
PHARMA-PSEUDO-CALS = ENDLESS CYCLES.
WHAT??? ='S AN ENDLESS SOLUTION??? ;;;; FOR ME, AS WELL AS FOR
OTHERS TOO???
I WANT THIS DISCUSSION TO BENEFIT OTHERS OUT THERE TOO, AND NOT
JUST MYSELF.
> Clonodine, has got me wondering about the
> relationships in the chemical complexes of
> drugs that end in: ine.
> Since I experimented with Methamphetamine,
> and have taken Olanzapine for so long now, it
> has me wondering what the science is, behind
> these types of drugs, and the similarities in
> all of their chemical complexes.
> There is also: Morphine, that ends in, ine as
> well.
-ine often refers to something containing nitrogen, an amine, often
an NH3 group; and often a base (alkaline) compound. Most amino acids
end in -ine, (and are not basic...) as do some neurotransmitters, like
Dopamine.
YOU KNOW, A SLANG TERMINOLOGY FOR MARIJUANA, IS DOPE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LINGUISTIC LINK IS, BETWEEN THE SLANG
WORD: DOPE, AND THE WORD: DOPAMINE?
I KNOW THAT IT IS THE ACTION OF SLUGGISH-NESS, IN NEURAL
FUNCTIONING, BUT IS THAT ALL THERE IS TO IT?
THE IGNORANT PEOPLE OUT THERE, AUTOMATICALLY SAY, THAT
THE SMOKING OF MARIJUANA KILLS BRAIN CELLS.
BUT WHAT IS THE REAL TRUTH; SEEMS LIKE I HAVE HEARD THAT THE
SMOKING OF MARIJUANA IS A SERATONIN BLOCKER, "OR A MELATONIN
BLOCKER", OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, AND IT ALSO MAKES ONE
PARANOID TOO.
IT IS SO DAMNED COMPLICATED, AND CHEMICAL SCIENCE IS NOT A
FAVORITE SUBJECT OF MINE.
I LIKE PHYSICS, BUT I DISLIKE CHEMISTRY, IN MOST CASES.
The NH3 groups will not be the only thing determining the
biological function of the compound. Not by a long shot!
Chemical nomenclature is a complex subject which I am nowhere near
able to discuss. I never got beyond naming simple things in some 200's
level organic chem class. About then, I discovered The Computer, fell
into the computer center, and was (almost) never heard from again. When
I saw the next level of organic chem classes were pure rote
memorization, I threw in the towel on that career path and went for
computer science, where I could start building things NOW!
> I luckily got the 10" outside diameter, PVC
> pipe, on Friday, for free, and I thought I was
> it to be: Three coils total; the top and bottom
> coils spaced 6 inches each, from the center
> coil.
For a Helmholtz field, I believe one would then have to scale down
the spacing to five inches between each of the coils.
BOTH OF THE END COILS, EACH SPACED 5 INCHES FROM THE CENTER
COIL?
> I am worried a little, that I might get the
> volume/amplitude/electromagnetic field
> strength, too high.
I only know one way of finding out, start low and slowly increase
the power to the coil.
YEAH, BUT WHERE IS A GOOD STOPPING POINT???
+3dB UNITS???
I REALIZE THAT DIFFERENT AMPLIFIERS HAVE DIFFERENT OUTPUT LEVELS,
ACCORDING TO THE WAY THAT THEY ARE DESIGNED.
IS YOUR AUDIO AMP, A CONSUMER GRADE AMP, OR A COMMERCIAL
GRADE AMP?
AND WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM dB UNIT LEVEL, THAT YOU HAVE OPERATED
YOUR AMP, AND THE HELMHOLTZ COILS AT?
DO THE COILS GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE SETUP AT
MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH?
YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU DO NOT USE ANY RESISTANCE IN
SERIES WITH THE COILS, EXCEPT FOR WHAT LITTLE RESISTANCE THAT THE
COILS HAVE, AND SO THE RESISTANCE WILL BE VERY LOW.
DOES YOUR AUDIO AMP GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE
HELMHOLTZ COILS AT THE MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH/INTENSITY?
> I need a concrete way to get the field
> strength (measurement), accurate to the field
> strength of your coils.
Is it really important? Will you react exactly as all the other
people do to a specific level of intensity? They don't all react the
same way, so why should you?
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I HOPE TO THE LORD, THAT IT WILL PUT ME TO SLEEP
VERY QUICKLY, BECAUSE I AM SO FUCKING FED UP WITH (CHEMICAL)
DRUGS, AS I HAVE ALREADY STATED BEFORE.
When my mind is going strong, 20ma has no real effect. When it is
weak, 20ma is like having my glasses cleaned and my mind unified and
turned on.
I HAVE AN ECG MULTIMETER, AND IT HAS THE ABILITY TO MEASURE FROM
MILLIAMPS TO AMPS, BUT I DO NOT HAVE A CURRENT MEASURING PROBE,
TO USE WITH IT, AT THIS TIME.
> This perfectionism of mine is somewhat
> of a curse, but without it, I would be
> worse off than what I am at, now.
Don't know. The quest for perfection often keeps us from trying
things just to see what effects we might find. Sometimes a quick and
dirty experiment gives us ballpark numbers, enough to get an idea of
what we are looking at or thinking about. That manager I mentioned
above use to come at me with the question of how do you know the concept
is even likely to work? Do a quick and dirty test or two, THEN, _IF_
that looks good, commit more resources to it.
He was right. I'd often really spend a lot of time thinking things
through, building elaborate things and doing elaborate proof of concepts
tests against real-life / professional-experience examples in my mind
before committing them to reality. But when I did the quick and dirty
proof-of-concept prototypes, and SHOWED others the idea earlier, we'd
get more people thinking about it, talking about it, brainstorming
around it, showing up flaws I'd missed, buying in to it because they got
to discuss, maybe even add ideas to it, and so I'd get more people
helping build a better version of it than what I could do alone.
Though that meant I did have to have a solid concept to start with,
and work at selling the idea to the group.
There are pluses and minuses to each approach.
Well, mouse number two seems to have fallen into my trap? No, I
don't see him there. I got the first mouse just as I started writing
this. Now... ok, the second mouse seems to have quieted down for the
night, left, or gotten killed elsewhere.
I'm having a plague of mice crawling through here. They kept me
awake all last night. Got one today in a glue pad, but another one has
come in. I can hear it crawling among my stuff. I think I may have had
three running around last night.
I FUCKING HATE MICE, AND THEIR FUCKING NONSENSICAL EXISTANCES.
THEY SHOULD BE GENETICALLY ERADICATED FROM EXISTANCE FOREVER.
Two foot high Teflon fence around this camp??? Sigh, probably too
pricy. And a flaming moat is out of the question. Every time I poison
one and it dies under my floor boards, I get breathing problems from the
rot and I have to pull up some of the boards to vacuum clean the blasted
thing out.
I AM SO FUCKING PISSED AT THE ENVIRONMENT (THE ENPRISONMENT),
THAT I WANT TO LIVE IN AN ENTIRELY PERFECTLY HERMETICALLY SEALED
REALITY AND EXISTANCE, EVEN IF IT MEANS COMPLETELY OVERDOSING ON
PAINKILLERS AND CYANIDE AND ARSENIC, AND BECOMING COMPLETELY
STATUESQUE, OR LIVING IN A COMPLETELY SEALED/ISOLATED BIOSPHERE
ECOLOGY, BECAUSE I AM SICK OF THE ENVIRONMENT; EXO AND ENDO.
RESOURCES ARE FOREVER FINITE, AS WELL AS FUCKED UP, AND (THE
LIGHT AT THE END OF THE FUCKING TUNNEL IS) FOREVER FLEETING.
SICK OF LIFE IS WHAT I'D SAY; BUT THAT HAS BECOME WAY TOO SMALL.
As some cartoon character said, "I hate those meeces to pieces!"
And it's that hate and sleepiness that's keeping me from dong the work I
need to do.
I HAVE REACHED THE POINT NOW, TO WHERE I AM AT THE EDGE OF
UNCONDITIONAL HATE.
Good hearing from you again, Clyde. I was wondering how you were
doing. Keep plugging away at it, even if but an inch at a time. The
inches add up.
IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE AN INFINITE # OF INCHES YET TO GODDAMNED AND
MANDAMNED GO, AND IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING.
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Apr 12 21:58:18 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various things.
In-Reply-To: <20050406084841.60542.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050413045806.71660.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
That's not an anti-fungal. It's an anti-hypertensive. With the
usual complement of corn starch (have any corn allergies?) food coloring
(some have serious reactions to those...) and methylparaben (a possible
sensitizer), propylparaben, etc. You can find more Googling it.
I DON'T HAVE ANY ALLERGIES, WITH CORN STARCH, OR FOOD COLORING,
THAT I KNOW OF.
CLONIDINE AND OLANZAPINE ARE FUCKING WITH ME, AND ARE FUCKING UP
MY MIND, MAKING ME MISERABLE, AND PARANOID, AND ARE GIVING ME
GREAT, MAJOR, BITTER ANGER, TOO.
I AM FED UP WITH DRUGS: ALL DRUGS.
I WANT SOLUTIONS: PERMANENT SOLUTIONS.
I STILL HAVE TO WIND THE MAGNET WIRE ON THE PVC FORMER, FOR THE
BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT PROJECT.
I CANNOT EVEN AFFORD ONE TUBE OF SILCONE RTV RIGHT NOW.
I FUCKING HATE MONEY.
THE CLONIDINE CAUSES ME HEART TROUBLE.
FUCK CLONIDINE.
I DON'T WANT OLANZAPINE (ZYPREXA) ANYMORE, BUT I AM SUFFERING
FROM INSOMNIA, AND SO IT IS ALL THAT I HAVE TO FALL BACK ON, AT THE
TIME BEING.
Some of us with damaged Cytochrome P-450 systems don't do well with
things like this. (Too far gone to look it up in my PDR tonight.
Terrible night last night due to three mice keeping me up.)
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE CYTOCHROME P-450 PATHWAYS ARE?
MAYBE NEXT MONTH I CAN GET THE BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS CHARTS;
THERE ARE TWO OF THEM, I FOUND OUT, AVAILABLE DIRECTLY, FROM
ROCHE APPLIED SCIENCE.
> By this time tomorrow, I should be feeling good,
> from the effects of it.
WELL, I ASSUMED WRONG; CLONIDINE IS A COMPLETE CROCK.
I FEEL JUST AS MISERABLE ON CLONIDINE, AS I DO, ON OLANZAPINE.
> Relative to Clonazepam, Clonidine is said to not
> be addictive.
> Although the stance that I take, is that all drugs
> are addictve, if obsessed over.
ALL DRUGS ARE ADDICTIVE,,,, AND I AM FUCKING PISSED AT THE DAMNED
MAINSTREAM DOCTORS, AND PHARMACOLOGY NOW.
I AM READY NOW, TO BRING A LAWSUIT AGAINST SEVERAL OF THE
PHARAMACOLOGY INDUSTRIES, FOR FUCKING PEOPLE'S LIVES UP,
AND ALTERING THE ELECTRONEUROCHEMISTRY OF THE PHYSIOLOGICAL
WHOLE; (THE PHYSIOLOGICAL WHOLISM), INTO A MAJOR DISORDER; (A
MAJOR SABOTAGED ORDER); (ORDER TO DISORDER).
They say diuretics are better anti-hypertensives than anything
else. Potassium is a good one, if not overdone, vitamin C helps too;
but trace minerals are REQUIRED or you will run out of things like
copper, magnesium, etc. and suffer.
I'D EAT MORE BANANNA'S, BUT MONEY IS ALREADY VERY SLIM, WITH
WHAT SMALL AMOUNT THAT I HAVE, TO WASTE ON THE NONSENSICAL
PRICE, OF GASOLINE.
I TRIED Q-10, BUT IT NEGATIVELY EFFECTED MY CARDIOLOGY WITH
INCREASED HEART PALPITATIONS, AND SO I DISCONTIUED TAKING
THAT.
I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING FISH OIL, SINCE IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT
IT IS ACTUALLY MUCH BETTER, THAN CONSUMING OLIVE OIL.
After some two years of eating the stuff, I no longer had much of a
problem. At least, till some idiot doctor prescribed a tetracycline
derivative... Then WHAM! I had Candida again. Had to go on Diflucan
plus other antibiotics, eat the heavy garlic and onion soups again, etc.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS, IN THE TETRACYCLINE, THAT CAUSED THE
CANDIDA TO RETURN?
WAS THE CANDIDA STILL WITH YOU, REGARDLESS OF YOU EATING THE
LARGE AMOUNTS OF GARLIC AND ONIONS?
> I question if it could possibly be in my lungs
> if I have it, because it has become so damned
> difficult to breath now; to both automatically,
> and manually, intake air, at will.
Suggests either respiratory or metabolic alkalosis. It's a problem
with those who have low body temperature, vegetarians like myself, and
those who have had serious carbon monoxide poisoning. Albert Donnay at
http://www.mcsrr.org/ talks about CO poisoning, and other problems of
those who are sensitive or reactive to many chemicals.
I HATE TO SAY THIS, (I ONLY EXPERIMENTED WITH MARIJUANA; DIDN'T
USE IT ON MY OWN;) BUT THERE WAS ONE OCCASION WHERE I WAS AT
A HOUSE WITH PEOPLE WHO I DIDN'T KNOW, AND I INTOOK A VERY LARGE
AMOUNT OF MARIJUANA SMOKE, THROUGH A WATER BONG; IT DID NOT FEEL
GOOD AT ALL, AND I REGRET DOING THAT.
I WONDER IF THAT COULD HAVE CAUSED ME SERIOUS, PERMANENT,
NEUROTIC HARM???
Asthma-like symptoms, if this is what it is, and I don't know
since I've never had "real" asthma, could be due to Aspergilis in the
lungs. Some 10% of the genuine cases are found to have this.
I'VE NEVER HAD TRUE ASTHMA, BUT MY BREATHING CAUSES ME TO FEEL
THE EFFECTS, THAT HAVE SIMILARITIES TO FEELINGS OF ASTHMA.
For me, sniffing CO2 recently has helped me trigger reflexes
generating deeper breathing patterns. If one has low body temperature
like I have, one probably has low metabolism, so one ends up with low
CO2 generation and hence reduced breathing. We've just discussed this
thing on the Immune list. Breathing small quantities of CO2 (less than 1
- 2% overall) acidifies the blood. Blood pH regulates breathing, so
when the blood gets acidic, breathing picks up. That gets more oxygen
into the system WITHOUT the effects of a bad pH rise, and in my case,
that prompts an increase in metabolism, which then generates more CO2 to
sustain deeper breathing long after the one or two sniffs of high
quantity CO2. (Think seltzer bottles. Most BB gun CO2 cartridges are
loaded with lubricants, etc. and is NOT for human consumption!)
I'D LIKE TO TRY CO2, BUT I THINK THAT YOU SAID THAT THE EFFECTS DO NOT
LAST VERY LONG AFTERWARDS, IN ONE OF YOUR OTHER RESPONSES,
AND VINEGAR; I HAVE ALWAYS HATED VINEGAR, BUT I TRIED A LITTLE BIT
OF IT, STRAIGHT FROM THE BOTTLE, TWICE; ONCE YESTERDAY, AND
ANOTHER TIME, THE DAY BEFORE, AND IT SEEMED TO HELP A LITTLE BIT.
THANKS VESTA, FOR THE INFORMATION REGARDING VINEGAR INTAKE!
HOW MUCH IS IT, THAT YOU INTAKE, EXACTLY, EACH MORNING???
IS IT A FULL GLASS OR A FULL CUP OF VINEGAR, ALONG WITH THE ICE
THAT YOU MENTIONED???
The other thing was to monitor urine pH. Yes, some idiot doctors
get all upset when they see a person paying so much attention to their
bodily functions; but it was an early warning sign seeing my pH shift
upwards before I started having breathing problems, reacting to wood
smoke, etc. A that point, I'd start taking more ascorbic acid. If I
could keep the pH below 6, I'd not get that bad a set of reactions. If
I didn't, it would get bad!
I HAVE TAKEN SOME VITAMIN C, AFTER PURCHASING A BOTTLE OF IT, FROM
A LOCAL HEALTH AND NUTRICIAN STORE, AND IT SEEMED TO INCREASE THE
NEGATIVE FEELING IN MY HEART; HEART PALPITATIONS, MURMURS, LOW
BLOOD PRESSURE, AND MY HEART FEELING LIKE IT WAS GOING TO
EXPLODE, AND SO I WOKE UP A FEW TIMES, LAST MONTH, DURING THE
NIGHT, AND DRANK SOME WATER, AND THE WATER HELPED EVER SO
SLIGHTLY, BUT DIDN'T HELP ENTIRELY.
Later, we started watching my blood pressure. Wood smoke and other
things would make it fall from 120/70, to 96/... at about 98/..., I
could barely write the blood pressure down. Much below 96/..., I
couldn't even work the cuff to take it.
Today, I'd also chart my body temperature! As it drops below 97.0,
all kinds of things would start going wrong... and I do believe that it
was the combination of pH and body temperature that was much of the
problem.
I CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANY WAYS AND MEANS OF CHECKING MY
PH LEVEL, AND/OR BALANCE.
WHAT INSTRUMENTS, AND EQUIPMENT ARE REQUIRED TO CHECK PH
LEVELS, AND BALANCE?
When a competent physician sees records like that, he may start
believing something is wrong. Though those who don't... tend to want
you to stop because you are showing them something they don't
understand, and may be held liable for not understanding.
THE LIABILITY ISSUE SEEMS TO BE HAUNTING BOTH THE PSYCHIATRIST
THAT I WAS SEEING, AS WELL AS MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN DOCTOR
THAT I WENT TO SEE LAST TUESDAY.
MY P.C.P. GOT A LITTLE ANGRY AT ME, FOR ASKING HIM TOO MANY
QUESTIONS.
In your case, the blood pressure and body temperature may go up
instead of down, I don't know. I'm just saying that I kept some records
which showed me clear phsyological responses, and the effect of my
therapies. When I walked a summary of those records in to two young
doctors at Yale, they... as one put it, the first time he read it he
thought I was nuts; but he saw it was clear I was measuring something.
On second reading it was clear I was doing science in treating myself,
trying things and tracking the results. And so he read it the third
time, thinking about what the effects of what I was doing were, and
concluded I knew a lot more about the problem than they did. While that
didn't help me... It did give me some sense that the approach was sound,
and I was on the right track.
Sometimes us mad scientists have to experiment on ourselves.
WELL, I AM WILLING TO EXPERIMENT ON MYSELF.
I ALREADY HAVE, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BECAUSE I AM FED UP
WITH PHARMA-PSEUDO-CALS.
PHARMA-PSEUDO-CALS = ENDLESS CYCLES.
WHAT??? ='S AN ENDLESS SOLUTION??? ;;;; FOR ME, AS WELL AS FOR
OTHERS TOO???
I WANT THIS DISCUSSION TO BENEFIT OTHERS OUT THERE TOO, AND NOT
JUST MYSELF.
> Clonodine, has got me wondering about the
> relationships in the chemical complexes of
> drugs that end in: ine.
> Since I experimented with Methamphetamine,
> and have taken Olanzapine for so long now, it
> has me wondering what the science is, behind
> these types of drugs, and the similarities in
> all of their chemical complexes.
> There is also: Morphine, that ends in, ine as
> well.
-ine often refers to something containing nitrogen, an amine, often
an NH3 group; and often a base (alkaline) compound. Most amino acids
end in -ine, (and are not basic...) as do some neurotransmitters, like
Dopamine.
YOU KNOW, A SLANG TERMINOLOGY FOR MARIJUANA, IS DOPE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LINGUISTIC LINK IS, BETWEEN THE SLANG
WORD: DOPE, AND THE WORD: DOPAMINE?
I KNOW THAT IT IS THE ACTION OF SLUGGISH-NESS, IN NEURAL
FUNCTIONING, BUT IS THAT ALL THERE IS TO IT?
THE IGNORANT PEOPLE OUT THERE, AUTOMATICALLY SAY, THAT
THE SMOKING OF MARIJUANA KILLS BRAIN CELLS.
BUT WHAT IS THE REAL TRUTH; SEEMS LIKE I HAVE HEARD THAT THE
SMOKING OF MARIJUANA IS A SERATONIN BLOCKER, "OR A MELATONIN
BLOCKER", OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, AND IT ALSO MAKES ONE
PARANOID TOO.
IT IS SO DAMNED COMPLICATED, AND CHEMICAL SCIENCE IS NOT A
FAVORITE SUBJECT OF MINE.
I LIKE PHYSICS, BUT I DISLIKE CHEMISTRY, IN MOST CASES.
The NH3 groups will not be the only thing determining the
biological function of the compound. Not by a long shot!
Chemical nomenclature is a complex subject which I am nowhere near
able to discuss. I never got beyond naming simple things in some 200's
level organic chem class. About then, I discovered The Computer, fell
into the computer center, and was (almost) never heard from again. When
I saw the next level of organic chem classes were pure rote
memorization, I threw in the towel on that career path and went for
computer science, where I could start building things NOW!
> I luckily got the 10" outside diameter, PVC
> pipe, on Friday, for free, and I thought I was
> it to be: Three coils total; the top and bottom
> coils spaced 6 inches each, from the center
> coil.
For a Helmholtz field, I believe one would then have to scale down
the spacing to five inches between each of the coils.
BOTH OF THE END COILS, EACH SPACED 5 INCHES FROM THE CENTER
COIL?
> I am worried a little, that I might get the
> volume/amplitude/electromagnetic field
> strength, too high.
I only know one way of finding out, start low and slowly increase
the power to the coil.
YEAH, BUT WHERE IS A GOOD STOPPING POINT???
+3dB UNITS???
I REALIZE THAT DIFFERENT AMPLIFIERS HAVE DIFFERENT OUTPUT LEVELS,
ACCORDING TO THE WAY THAT THEY ARE DESIGNED.
IS YOUR AUDIO AMP, A CONSUMER GRADE AMP, OR A COMMERCIAL
GRADE AMP?
AND WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM dB UNIT LEVEL, THAT YOU HAVE OPERATED
YOUR AMP, AND THE HELMHOLTZ COILS AT?
DO THE COILS GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE SETUP AT
MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH?
YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU DO NOT USE ANY RESISTANCE IN
SERIES WITH THE COILS, EXCEPT FOR WHAT LITTLE RESISTANCE THAT THE
COILS HAVE, AND SO THE RESISTANCE WILL BE VERY LOW.
DOES YOUR AUDIO AMP GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE
HELMHOLTZ COILS AT THE MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH/INTENSITY?
> I need a concrete way to get the field
> strength (measurement), accurate to the field
> strength of your coils.
Is it really important? Will you react exactly as all the other
people do to a specific level of intensity? They don't all react the
same way, so why should you?
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I HOPE TO THE LORD, THAT IT WILL PUT ME TO SLEEP
VERY QUICKLY, BECAUSE I AM SO FUCKING FED UP WITH (CHEMICAL)
DRUGS, AS I HAVE ALREADY STATED BEFORE.
When my mind is going strong, 20ma has no real effect. When it is
weak, 20ma is like having my glasses cleaned and my mind unified and
turned on.
I HAVE AN ECG MULTIMETER, AND IT HAS THE ABILITY TO MEASURE FROM
MILLIAMPS TO AMPS, BUT I DO NOT HAVE A CURRENT MEASURING PROBE,
TO USE WITH IT, AT THIS TIME.
> This perfectionism of mine is somewhat
> of a curse, but without it, I would be
> worse off than what I am at, now.
Don't know. The quest for perfection often keeps us from trying
things just to see what effects we might find. Sometimes a quick and
dirty experiment gives us ballpark numbers, enough to get an idea of
what we are looking at or thinking about. That manager I mentioned
above use to come at me with the question of how do you know the concept
is even likely to work? Do a quick and dirty test or two, THEN, _IF_
that looks good, commit more resources to it.
He was right. I'd often really spend a lot of time thinking things
through, building elaborate things and doing elaborate proof of concepts
tests against real-life / professional-experience examples in my mind
before committing them to reality. But when I did the quick and dirty
proof-of-concept prototypes, and SHOWED others the idea earlier, we'd
get more people thinking about it, talking about it, brainstorming
around it, showing up flaws I'd missed, buying in to it because they got
to discuss, maybe even add ideas to it, and so I'd get more people
helping build a better version of it than what I could do alone.
Though that meant I did have to have a solid concept to start with,
and work at selling the idea to the group.
There are pluses and minuses to each approach.
Well, mouse number two seems to have fallen into my trap? No, I
don't see him there. I got the first mouse just as I started writing
this. Now... ok, the second mouse seems to have quieted down for the
night, left, or gotten killed elsewhere.
I'm having a plague of mice crawling through here. They kept me
awake all last night. Got one today in a glue pad, but another one has
come in. I can hear it crawling among my stuff. I think I may have had
three running around last night.
I FUCKING HATE MICE, AND THEIR FUCKING NONSENSICAL EXISTANCES.
THEY SHOULD BE GENETICALLY ERADICATED FROM EXISTANCE FOREVER.
Two foot high Teflon fence around this camp??? Sigh, probably too
pricy. And a flaming moat is out of the question. Every time I poison
one and it dies under my floor boards, I get breathing problems from the
rot and I have to pull up some of the boards to vacuum clean the blasted
thing out.
I AM SO FUCKING PISSED AT THE ENVIRONMENT (THE ENPRISONMENT),
THAT I WANT TO LIVE IN AN ENTIRELY PERFECTLY HERMETICALLY SEALED
REALITY AND EXISTANCE, EVEN IF IT MEANS COMPLETELY OVERDOSING ON
PAINKILLERS AND CYANIDE AND ARSENIC, AND BECOMING COMPLETELY
STATUESQUE, OR LIVING IN A COMPLETELY SEALED/ISOLATED BIOSPHERE
ECOLOGY, BECAUSE I AM SICK OF THE ENVIRONMENT; EXO AND ENDO.
RESOURCES ARE FOREVER FINITE, AS WELL AS FUCKED UP, AND (THE
LIGHT AT THE END OF THE FUCKING TUNNEL IS) FOREVER FLEETING.
SICK OF LIFE IS WHAT I'D SAY; BUT THAT HAS BECOME WAY TOO SMALL.
As some cartoon character said, "I hate those meeces to pieces!"
And it's that hate and sleepiness that's keeping me from dong the work I
need to do.
I HAVE REACHED THE POINT NOW, TO WHERE I AM AT THE EDGE OF
UNCONDITIONAL HATE.
Good hearing from you again, Clyde. I was wondering how you were
doing. Keep plugging away at it, even if but an inch at a time. The
inches add up.
IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE AN INFINITE # OF INCHES YET TO GODDAMNED AND
MANDAMNED GO, AND IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING.
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Apr 13 00:23:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various things.
In-Reply-To: <20050413045806.71660.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 12, 2005 09:58:05 PM
Message-ID: <20050413072339.77309.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I AM FED UP WITH DRUGS: ALL DRUGS.
> I WANT SOLUTIONS: PERMANENT SOLUTIONS.
Things are relative. Permanence often ends up too cast in
concrete to bend as needs change.
(Falling asleep s I edit and spell check... long day today.)
> I STILL HAVE TO WIND THE MAGNET WIRE ON THE PVC FORMER, FOR THE
> BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT PROJECT.
> I CANNOT EVEN AFFORD ONE TUBE OF SILCONE RTV RIGHT NOW.
So use something else, like garbage bag twist ties.
> I FUCKING HATE MONEY.
You should like money, so you will be tempted to accumulate more of
it. We often avoid that which we don't like... which, I suppose, is why
most of the people on this mountain are poor.
> I DON'T WANT OLANZAPINE (ZYPREXA) ANYMORE, BUT I AM SUFFERING
> FROM INSOMNIA, AND SO IT IS ALL THAT I HAVE TO FALL BACK ON, AT THE
> TIME BEING.
Melatonin worked for me...
> Some of us with damaged Cytochrome P-450 systems don't do well with
> things like this. (Too far gone to look it up in my PDR tonight.
> Terrible night last night due to three mice keeping me up.)
>
>
> CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE CYTOCHROME P-450 PATHWAYS ARE?
http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/p450.html
> MAYBE NEXT MONTH I CAN GET THE BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS CHARTS;
> THERE ARE TWO OF THEM, I FOUND OUT, AVAILABLE DIRECTLY, FROM
> ROCHE APPLIED SCIENCE.
Yes, the drug company... they put all the profits from the sales of
vitamins (they make the best C) into drug research.
> WELL, I ASSUMED WRONG; CLONIDINE IS A COMPLETE CROCK.
> I FEEL JUST AS MISERABLE ON CLONIDINE, AS I DO, ON OLANZAPINE.
Hmmm...
> I AM READY NOW, TO BRING A LAWSUIT AGAINST SEVERAL OF THE
> PHARAMACOLOGY INDUSTRIES, FOR FUCKING PEOPLE'S LIVES UP,
> AND ALTERING THE ELECTRONEUROCHEMISTRY OF THE PHYSIOLOGICAL
> WHOLE; (THE PHYSIOLOGICAL WHOLISM), INTO A MAJOR DISORDER; (A
> MAJOR SABOTAGED ORDER); (ORDER TO DISORDER).
Be a little hard to do. They can afford the big lawyers.
> They say diuretics are better anti-hypertensives than anything
> else. Potassium is a good one, if not overdone, vitamin C helps too;
> but trace minerals are REQUIRED or you will run out of things like
> copper, magnesium, etc. and suffer.
>
> I'D EAT MORE BANANNA'S, BUT MONEY IS ALREADY VERY SLIM, WITH
> WHAT SMALL AMOUNT THAT I HAVE, TO WASTE ON THE NONSENSICAL
> PRICE, OF GASOLINE.
Yep! i knoww the problem.
> I TRIED Q-10, BUT IT NEGATIVELY EFFECTED MY CARDIOLOGY WITH
> INCREASED HEART PALPITATIONS, AND SO I DISCONTIUED TAKING
> THAT.
Hard to know how it interacts with what else you are taking.
> I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING FISH OIL, SINCE IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT
> IT IS ACTUALLY MUCH BETTER, THAN CONSUMING OLIVE OIL.
Maybe.
> After some two years of eating the stuff, I no longer had much of a
> problem. At least, till some idiot doctor prescribed a tetracycline
> derivative... Then WHAM! I had Candida again. Had to go on Diflucan
> plus other antibiotics, eat the heavy garlic and onion soups again, etc.
>
>
> DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS, IN THE TETRACYCLINE, THAT CAUSED THE
> CANDIDA TO RETURN?
It kills the bugs that compete with candida. The gut is filled with
bacteria and fungi, all fighting for a place to live. We do well with
some bacteria, such as the acidophilous bacteria, and badly with others.
> WAS THE CANDIDA STILL WITH YOU, REGARDLESS OF YOU EATING THE
> LARGE AMOUNTS OF GARLIC AND ONIONS?
The general theory, by some group on disbyosis (wrong bugs) suggests
that the spores are very hard to permanently eliminate. Maybe, maybe
not; but the candida fungi are very common in the world, so you can
become re-infected over and over again.
> I HATE TO SAY THIS, (I ONLY EXPERIMENTED WITH MARIJUANA; DIDN'T
> USE IT ON MY OWN;) BUT THERE WAS ONE OCCASION WHERE I WAS AT
> A HOUSE WITH PEOPLE WHO I DIDN'T KNOW, AND I INTOOK A VERY LARGE
> AMOUNT OF MARIJUANA SMOKE, THROUGH A WATER BONG; IT DID NOT FEEL
> GOOD AT ALL, AND I REGRET DOING THAT.
>
> I WONDER IF THAT COULD HAVE CAUSED ME SERIOUS, PERMANENT,
> NEUROTIC HARM???
Probably not, at least not for the average person.
> Asthma-like symptoms, if this is what it is, and I don't know
> since I've never had "real" asthma, could be due to Aspergilis in the
> lungs. Some 10% of the genuine cases are found to have this.
>
> I'VE NEVER HAD TRUE ASTHMA, BUT MY BREATHING CAUSES ME TO FEEL
> THE EFFECTS, THAT HAVE SIMILARITIES TO FEELINGS OF ASTHMA.
Interesting. Could be allergies to something.
> For me, sniffing CO2 recently has helped me trigger reflexes
> generating deeper breathing patterns. If one has low body temperature
> like I have, one probably has low metabolism, so one ends up with low
> CO2 generation and hence reduced breathing. We've just discussed this
> thing on the Immune list. Breathing small quantities of CO2 (less than 1
> - 2% overall) acidifies the blood. Blood pH regulates breathing, so
> when the blood gets acidic, breathing picks up. That gets more oxygen
> into the system WITHOUT the effects of a bad pH rise, and in my case,
> that prompts an increase in metabolism, which then generates more CO2 to
> sustain deeper breathing long after the one or two sniffs of high
> quantity CO2. (Think seltzer bottles. Most BB gun CO2 cartridges are
> loaded with lubricants, etc. and is NOT for human consumption!)
>
>
> I'D LIKE TO TRY CO2, BUT I THINK THAT YOU SAID THAT THE EFFECTS DO NOT
> LAST VERY LONG AFTERWARDS, IN ONE OF YOUR OTHER RESPONSES,
Depends. If the body is too alkaline due to lack of oxygen
utilization, increasing the availability of oxygen may, in some cases,
also improve metabolism, hence resulting in a higher CO2 level in the
blood, and thus deeper breathing.
> AND VINEGAR; I HAVE ALWAYS HATED VINEGAR, BUT I TRIED A LITTLE BIT
> OF IT, STRAIGHT FROM THE BOTTLE, TWICE; ONCE YESTERDAY, AND
> ANOTHER TIME, THE DAY BEFORE, AND IT SEEMED TO HELP A LITTLE BIT.
> THANKS VESTA, FOR THE INFORMATION REGARDING VINEGAR INTAKE!
>
> HOW MUCH IS IT, THAT YOU INTAKE, EXACTLY, EACH MORNING???
> IS IT A FULL GLASS OR A FULL CUP OF VINEGAR, ALONG WITH THE ICE
> THAT YOU MENTIONED???
Vermont Country Medicine, Old Vermont Medicine, or some similar book
talks about a teaspoon to a tablespoon full. A cup would be way too
much.
Acetylation is one way the body detoxified some things.
Methylation is another. Some use a product called MSM to assist in
methylation type detoxification
> The other thing was to monitor urine pH. Yes, some idiot doctors
> get all upset when they see a person paying so much attention to their
> bodily functions; but it was an early warning sign seeing my pH shift
> upwards before I started having breathing problems, reacting to wood
> smoke, etc. A that point, I'd start taking more ascorbic acid. If I
> could keep the pH below 6, I'd not get that bad a set of reactions. If
> I didn't, it would get bad!
>
>
> I HAVE TAKEN SOME VITAMIN C, AFTER PURCHASING A BOTTLE OF IT, FROM
> A LOCAL HEALTH AND NUTRICIAN STORE, AND IT SEEMED TO INCREASE THE
> NEGATIVE FEELING IN MY HEART; HEART PALPITATIONS, MURMURS, LOW
> BLOOD PRESSURE, AND MY HEART FEELING LIKE IT WAS GOING TO
> EXPLODE, AND SO I WOKE UP A FEW TIMES, LAST MONTH, DURING THE
> NIGHT, AND DRANK SOME WATER, AND THE WATER HELPED EVER SO
> SLIGHTLY, BUT DIDN'T HELP ENTIRELY.
Water will help lower blood pressure.
> Later, we started watching my blood pressure. Wood smoke and other
> things would make it fall from 120/70, to 96/... at about 98/..., I
> could barely write the blood pressure down. Much below 96/..., I
> couldn't even work the cuff to take it.
>
> Today, I'd also chart my body temperature! As it drops below 97.0,
> all kinds of things would start going wrong... and I do believe that it
> was the combination of pH and body temperature that was much of the
> problem.
>
>
> I CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANY WAYS AND MEANS OF CHECKING MY
> PH LEVEL, AND/OR BALANCE.
> WHAT INSTRUMENTS, AND EQUIPMENT ARE REQUIRED TO CHECK PH
> LEVELS, AND BALANCE?
pH strips. Get something in the 5.2 - 7.0 range. Some pharmacies
carry them. Don't get something with two broad a range, as it can be
difficult to tell minor variations.
> THE LIABILITY ISSUE SEEMS TO BE HAUNTING BOTH THE PSYCHIATRIST
> THAT I WAS SEEING, AS WELL AS MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN DOCTOR
> THAT I WENT TO SEE LAST TUESDAY.
> MY P.C.P. GOT A LITTLE ANGRY AT ME, FOR ASKING HIM TOO MANY
> QUESTIONS.
Boom! Get another doctor! Any doctor who will not answer your
questions IS NOT a good doctor for you! Of course, it may simply be
that he does not have the time, or that the insurance companies might
not pay him. But he has an obligation to answer questions.
> In your case, the blood pressure and body temperature may go up
> instead of down, I don't know. I'm just saying that I kept some records
> which showed me clear phsyological responses, and the effect of my
> WELL, I AM WILLING TO EXPERIMENT ON MYSELF.
> I ALREADY HAVE, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BECAUSE I AM FED UP
> WITH PHARMA-PSEUDO-CALS.
Yes.
Dr. Philpot is in Choctaw 405-390-1444, he will work with other
physicians. He wrote a very interesting book "Brain Allergies", about
some things which can mame a person fail mentally.
Look up orthomolecular Oklahoma for some interesting reading.
http://www.google.com/search?orthomolecular+oklahoma
> -ine often refers to something containing nitrogen, an amine, often
> an NH3 group; and often a base (alkaline) compound. Most amino acids
> end in -ine, (and are not basic...) as do some neurotransmitters, like
> Dopamine.
>
>
> YOU KNOW, A SLANG TERMINOLOGY FOR MARIJUANA, IS DOPE.
> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LINGUISTIC LINK IS, BETWEEN THE SLANG
> WORD: DOPE, AND THE WORD: DOPAMINE?
Not quite. Dope came from a coating for cloth aircraft wings. It
would make the painters "dopy" because of the solvents used.
> I KNOW THAT IT IS THE ACTION OF SLUGGISH-NESS, IN NEURAL
> FUNCTIONING, BUT IS THAT ALL THERE IS TO IT?
Dopamine has many effects, but one is to narrow blood vessels as
opposed to serotonin widening them. Though in the absence of dopamine,
serotonin can narrow them.
> THE IGNORANT PEOPLE OUT THERE, AUTOMATICALLY SAY, THAT
> THE SMOKING OF MARIJUANA KILLS BRAIN CELLS.
Many things kill brain cells. But you only need some minimal
amount, and... well, in a neural network, some interconnects need to be
removed. Cell death is one way.
> BUT WHAT IS THE REAL TRUTH; SEEMS LIKE I HAVE HEARD THAT THE
> SMOKING OF MARIJUANA IS A SERATONIN BLOCKER, "OR A MELATONIN
> BLOCKER", OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, AND IT ALSO MAKES ONE
> PARANOID TOO.
I don't know.
My own experience is that raising of dopamine and adrenaline can
increase to tendency to wonder about the cause of things with the
viewpoint of reacting. Thus, if one does not know science and something
about the statistical nature of human behavior, one may find it easy to
believe in conspiracies and other paranoid type things.
In contrast, if one is rational, there is more of a willingness to
question one's own perceptions.
> IT IS SO DAMNED COMPLICATED, AND CHEMICAL SCIENCE IS NOT A
> FAVORITE SUBJECT OF MINE.
It is based, to some extent, on the probability of
atomic and molecular collisions.
> I LIKE PHYSICS, BUT I DISLIKE CHEMISTRY, IN MOST CASES.
Physics is more definite.
> For a Helmholtz field, I believe one would then have to scale down
> the spacing to five inches between each of the coils.
>
> > BOTH OF THE END COILS, EACH SPACED 5 INCHES FROM THE CENTER
> COIL?
That would be right.
> > I am worried a little, that I might get the
> > volume/amplitude/electromagnetic field
> > strength, too high.
>
> I only know one way of finding out, start low and slowly increase
> the power to the coil.
>
> YEAH, BUT WHERE IS A GOOD STOPPING POINT???
When you just start to feel some effects. Play it by ear.
> IS YOUR AUDIO AMP, A CONSUMER GRADE AMP, OR A COMMERCIAL
> GRADE AMP?
I am not using an amplifier, just a signal generator.
> AND WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM dB UNIT LEVEL, THAT YOU HAVE OPERATED
> YOUR AMP, AND THE HELMHOLTZ COILS AT?
I put up to 20ma into it.
> DO THE COILS GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE SETUP AT
> MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH?
Can't feel a thing! Gads, if they got hot, I'd hate to have my head
in there!
> YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU DO NOT USE ANY RESISTANCE IN
> SERIES WITH THE COILS, EXCEPT FOR WHAT LITTLE RESISTANCE THAT THE
> COILS HAVE, AND SO THE RESISTANCE WILL BE VERY LOW.
Yes
>
> DOES YOUR AUDIO AMP GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE
> HELMHOLTZ COILS AT THE MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH/INTENSITY?
No amp, only 20ma input to my coils
> I DON'T KNOW, BUT I HOPE TO THE LORD, THAT IT WILL PUT ME TO SLEEP
> VERY QUICKLY, BECAUSE I AM SO FUCKING FED UP WITH (CHEMICAL)
> DRUGS, AS I HAVE ALREADY STATED BEFORE.
> When my mind is going strong, 20ma has no real effect. When it is
> weak, 20ma is like having my glasses cleaned and my mind unified and
> turned on.
>
>
> I HAVE AN ECG MULTIMETER, AND IT HAS THE ABILITY TO MEASURE FROM
> MILLIAMPS TO AMPS, BUT I DO NOT HAVE A CURRENT MEASURING PROBE,
> TO USE WITH IT, AT THIS TIME.
Wire... I wired it in-line with the signal generator.
> I'm having a plague of mice crawling through here. They kept me
> awake all last night. Got one today in a glue pad, but another one has
> come in. I can hear it crawling among my stuff. I think I may have had
> three running around last night.
>
> I FUCKING HATE MICE, AND THEIR FUCKING NONSENSICAL EXISTANCES.
> THEY SHOULD BE GENETICALLY ERADICATED FROM EXISTANCE FOREVER.
Interesting point... mice don't have to make sense. They just have
to find food and mates.
I dislike killing them, but since they are a threat to me, I will do
it if I find no other conventient way to keep them out of my life.
> I HAVE REACHED THE POINT NOW, TO WHERE I AM AT THE EDGE OF
> UNCONDITIONAL HATE.
This is not good. hate burns one up. There are many I could hate;
but my hating them would be a victory for them, since it would change me
from what I want to be.
> Good hearing from you again, Clyde. I was wondering how you were
> doing. Keep plugging away at it, even if but an inch at a time. The
> inches add up.
>
> IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE AN INFINITE # OF INCHES YET TO GODDAMNED AND
> MANDAMNED GO, AND IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING.
I can understand that. Some years ago, I spent two weeks with bad
kidney pain, etc. Laying in bed, getting up every hour or two to take a
hot shower, getting back in bed, getting nurses to give me IV's, etc.
But you know, that passed. I survived.
You have to believe in the world. Believe that by and large, the
balance of life is positive. Even mice help clean up the junk and
insects. Maybe not enough for our taste, and when they bother us
specifically, we can kill them; but it would be bad to kill all mice as
they do useful work in the environment. (We just tempt them too much
with our stuff.)
Get the camera, Clyde. Or a small portable frame, and a notepad to
sketch or describe what interesting things you can see. You have got
to seek beauty in order to find it, and in order to develop an
appreciation for the unique beauty of life.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained.
Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 11:54:51 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Apr 13 11:55:29 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: More various topics.
In-Reply-To: <20050413072339.77309.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050413185451.84644.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
Melatonin worked for me...
Melatonin worked for me for a while, but then after a while, it started effecting
my cardiology negatively, after I discontinued taking Clonazepam.
http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/p450.html
Thanks for this weblink, I will print it out at the library!
> WELL, I ASSUMED WRONG; CLONIDINE IS A COMPLETE CROCK.
> I FEEL JUST AS MISERABLE ON CLONIDINE, AS I DO, ON OLANZAPINE.
Hmmm...
And Clonidine also messes with my cardiology too, and also with my mind,
making me a miserable wretch, and causing fear, of and in, social interactions.
Olanzapine messes with my mind, making me a miserable wretch, with fear,
of and in, social interactions.
> I TRIED Q-10, BUT IT NEGATIVELY EFFECTED MY CARDIOLOGY WITH
> INCREASED HEART PALPITATIONS, AND SO I DISCONTIUED TAKING
> THAT.
Hard to know how it interacts with what else you are taking.
> I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING FISH OIL, SINCE IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT
> IT IS ACTUALLY MUCH BETTER, THAN CONSUMING OLIVE OIL.
Maybe.
My heart feels like it is damaged, and I fear that I am headed for heart failure; I am
not drinking enough fluids at the present time, like I used to drink lots of fluids; and
it is screwing me up.
I just cannot afford the higher than hell expenses of food in this modern day.
This country needs to invest in widescale, massively sized greenhouse biospheres,
the size of football fields, for a new food production economy; farmers are just
barely getting by, and a lot of them, as I have heard, have gone bankrupt.
Also, I read in a book about Nikola Tesla one time, that he invented a ways and means
to extract nitrogen from the atmosphere, to use, for fertilization of the earth ground,
for farming.
I assume that there are probably industries built around such a concept now, today.
Although I don't have the time at the moment, to look into it, in depth, to find out
what the type of industry is called, and what the extent of its benefit it is, to this
country, and to the world.
This country is also way behind the times, for a maglev monorail, national speed
train system, to replace Amtrak.
Interesting. Could be allergies to something.
Possibly allergies to the crap ass air unquality, of this damned house in which
I am forced to have to live, yet I cannot do a damned thing to improve the air
quality.
I need a 24/7 air filtration system, as well as a humidifier, for dry days.
The dust level in this fucking house is nonsense, yet there is nothing that I can
do about it, to correct the problem, because of the bullshit of money.
> I'D LIKE TO TRY CO2, BUT I THINK THAT YOU SAID THAT THE EFFECTS DO NOT
> LAST VERY LONG AFTERWARDS, IN ONE OF YOUR OTHER RESPONSES,
Depends. If the body is too alkaline due to lack of oxygen
utilization, increasing the availability of oxygen may, in some cases,
also improve metabolism, hence resulting in a higher CO2 level in the
blood, and thus deeper breathing.
> AND VINEGAR; I HAVE ALWAYS HATED VINEGAR, BUT I TRIED A LITTLE BIT
> OF IT, STRAIGHT FROM THE BOTTLE, TWICE; ONCE YESTERDAY, AND
> ANOTHER TIME, THE DAY BEFORE, AND IT SEEMED TO HELP A LITTLE BIT.
> THANKS VESTA, FOR THE INFORMATION REGARDING VINEGAR INTAKE!
>
> HOW MUCH IS IT, THAT YOU INTAKE, EXACTLY, EACH MORNING???
> IS IT A FULL GLASS OR A FULL CUP OF VINEGAR, ALONG WITH THE ICE
> THAT YOU MENTIONED???
Vermont Country Medicine, Old Vermont Medicine, or some similar book
talks about a teaspoon to a tablespoon full. A cup would be way too
much.
Ok!
Acetylation is one way the body detoxified some things.
Methylation is another. Some use a product called MSM to assist in
methylation type detoxification
Alright!
> The other thing was to monitor urine pH. Yes, some idiot doctors
> get all upset when they see a person paying so much attention to their
> bodily functions; but it was an early warning sign seeing my pH shift
> upwards before I started having breathing problems, reacting to wood
> smoke, etc. A that point, I'd start taking more ascorbic acid. If I
> could keep the pH below 6, I'd not get that bad a set of reactions. If
> I didn't, it would get bad!
>
>
> I HAVE TAKEN SOME VITAMIN C, AFTER PURCHASING A BOTTLE OF IT, FROM
> A LOCAL HEALTH AND NUTRICIAN STORE, AND IT SEEMED TO INCREASE THE
> NEGATIVE FEELING IN MY HEART; HEART PALPITATIONS, MURMURS, LOW
> BLOOD PRESSURE, AND MY HEART FEELING LIKE IT WAS GOING TO
> EXPLODE, AND SO I WOKE UP A FEW TIMES, LAST MONTH, DURING THE
> NIGHT, AND DRANK SOME WATER, AND THE WATER HELPED EVER SO
> SLIGHTLY, BUT DIDN'T HELP ENTIRELY.
I forgot to mention also, that I tried vitamin B, and it increased my neurological
(accellerated neurological metabolic rate of time), nervousness, to where I was extremely
uncomfortable, around others.
Water will help lower blood pressure.
Ok.
> Later, we started watching my blood pressure. Wood smoke and other
> things would make it fall from 120/70, to 96/... at about 98/..., I
> could barely write the blood pressure down. Much below 96/..., I
> couldn't even work the cuff to take it.
>
> Today, I'd also chart my body temperature! As it drops below 97.0,
> all kinds of things would start going wrong... and I do believe that it
> was the combination of pH and body temperature that was much of the
> problem.
>
>
> I CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANY WAYS AND MEANS OF CHECKING MY
> PH LEVEL, AND/OR BALANCE.
> WHAT INSTRUMENTS, AND EQUIPMENT ARE REQUIRED TO CHECK PH
> LEVELS, AND BALANCE?
pH strips. Get something in the 5.2 - 7.0 range. Some pharmacies
carry them. Don't get something with two broad a range, as it can be
difficult to tell minor variations.
Ok, I wonder if they are very expensive???
> THE LIABILITY ISSUE SEEMS TO BE HAUNTING BOTH THE PSYCHIATRIST
> THAT I WAS SEEING, AS WELL AS MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN DOCTOR
> THAT I WENT TO SEE LAST TUESDAY.
> MY P.C.P. GOT A LITTLE ANGRY AT ME, FOR ASKING HIM TOO MANY
> QUESTIONS.
Boom! Get another doctor! Any doctor who will not answer your
questions IS NOT a good doctor for you! Of course, it may simply be
that he does not have the time, or that the insurance companies might
not pay him. But he has an obligation to answer questions.
My doctor definately did not have the time, but it still didn't give him
the right to get angry at me, but I feel also, that he is obligated to answer my
questions, in depth.
He was at first, hesitant to have my blood tested, but he finally agreed
to have it done.
I still haven't seen the results of my blood test; I hope it will show some
of the problems that I currently face.
> In your case, the blood pressure and body temperature may go up
> instead of down, I don't know. I'm just saying that I kept some records
> which showed me clear phsyological responses, and the effect of my
Yeah, ('I think') my blood pressure goes up, due to environmental stressors.
There are a lot of times now, to where my blood boils at the slightest
thing that goes wrong with reality.
> WELL, I AM WILLING TO EXPERIMENT ON MYSELF.
> I ALREADY HAVE, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BECAUSE I AM FED UP
> WITH PHARMA-PSEUDO-CALS.
Yes.
Dr. Philpot is in Choctaw 405-390-1444, he will work with other
physicians. He wrote a very interesting book "Brain Allergies", about
some things which can mame a person fail mentally.
Look up orthomolecular Oklahoma for some interesting reading.
http://www.google.com/search?orthomolecular+oklahoma
This is cool, thanks for the weblink; I know it will benefit many others, too!
I do have a Choctaw Indian card, but really haven't been able to put it to much
useage; I don't know if I would have to travel all of the way down to Durant Oklahoma,
to get help, with Orthomolecular doctoring, or not.
Durant is the headquarters of the Choctaw Native American tribe.
> -ine often refers to something containing nitrogen, an amine, often
> an NH3 group; and often a base (alkaline) compound. Most amino acids
> end in -ine, (and are not basic...) as do some neurotransmitters, like
> Dopamine.
My own experience is that raising of dopamine and adrenaline can
increase to tendency to wonder about the cause of things with the
viewpoint of reacting. Thus, if one does not know science and something
about the statistical nature of human behavior, one may find it easy to
believe in conspiracies and other paranoid type things.
I have certainly become an adrenaline junkie, and it is fucking with my heart, and
fucking up my heart.
In contrast, if one is rational, there is more of a willingness to
question one's own perceptions.
It is easy for me to jump the gun on many things, because of my screwed up neurology
and also due to the wanting time to pass, far faster than what it does in certain
circumstances, to blast past all of life's endless bullshit!
> IT IS SO DAMNED COMPLICATED, AND CHEMICAL SCIENCE IS NOT A
> FAVORITE SUBJECT OF MINE.
It is based, to some extent, on the probability of
atomic and molecular collisions.
> I LIKE PHYSICS, BUT I DISLIKE CHEMISTRY, IN MOST CASES.
Physics is more definite.
Yeah, experimental electrical, acoustic, and electroacoustic physics are about
my favorites, in physics.
> For a Helmholtz field, I believe one would then have to scale down
> the spacing to five inches between each of the coils.
>
> > BOTH OF THE END COILS, EACH SPACED 5 INCHES FROM THE CENTER
> COIL?
That would be right.
> > I am worried a little, that I might get the
> > volume/amplitude/electromagnetic field
> > strength, too high.
>
> I only know one way of finding out, start low and slowly increase
> the power to the coil.
>
> YEAH, BUT WHERE IS A GOOD STOPPING POINT???
When you just start to feel some effects. Play it by ear.
I am not using an amplifier, just a signal generator.
Ok.
I thought that you mentioned in the past, that you used an audio amp, and
so an audio amp now sounds overkill!
> AND WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM dB UNIT LEVEL, THAT YOU HAVE OPERATED
> YOUR AMP, AND THE HELMHOLTZ COILS AT?
I put up to 20ma into it.
> DO THE COILS GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE SETUP AT
> MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH?
Can't feel a thing! Gads, if they got hot, I'd hate to have my head
in there!
> YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU DO NOT USE ANY RESISTANCE IN
> SERIES WITH THE COILS, EXCEPT FOR WHAT LITTLE RESISTANCE THAT THE
> COILS HAVE, AND SO THE RESISTANCE WILL BE VERY LOW.
Yes
>
> DOES YOUR AUDIO AMP GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE
> HELMHOLTZ COILS AT THE MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH/INTENSITY?
No amp, only 20ma input to my coils
Ok.
But I am afraid that I might overload the audio gen output, due to the lack of a series resistance being inline, with the coils.
> I DON'T KNOW, BUT I HOPE TO THE LORD, THAT IT WILL PUT ME TO SLEEP
> VERY QUICKLY, BECAUSE I AM SO FUCKING FED UP WITH (CHEMICAL)
> DRUGS, AS I HAVE ALREADY STATED BEFORE.
> When my mind is going strong, 20ma has no real effect. When it is
> weak, 20ma is like having my glasses cleaned and my mind unified and
> turned on.
Cool, I hope it will clean my glasses, and unifies my mind too!
Do you know if it will cause the brain to flush out neurotoxins???
> I HAVE AN ECG MULTIMETER, AND IT HAS THE ABILITY TO MEASURE FROM
> MILLIAMPS TO AMPS, BUT I DO NOT HAVE A CURRENT MEASURING PROBE,
> TO USE WITH IT, AT THIS TIME.
Wire... I wired it in-line with the signal generator.
Alright.
> I'm having a plague of mice crawling through here. They kept me
> awake all last night. Got one today in a glue pad, but another one has
> come in. I can hear it crawling among my stuff. I think I may have had
> three running around last night.
>
> I FUCKING HATE MICE, AND THEIR FUCKING NONSENSICAL EXISTANCES.
> THEY SHOULD BE GENETICALLY ERADICATED FROM EXISTANCE FOREVER.
Interesting point... mice don't have to make sense. They just have
to find food and mates.
I dislike killing them, but since they are a threat to me, I will do
it if I find no other conventient way to keep them out of my life.
Of all of the endless pestilence, I have got to the point now to where I want to live in
a perfect biosphere ecology, almost hermetically sealed, from the exo ecology of
perpetual pestilence.
I am sick and tired of pestilence of every kind!
> I HAVE REACHED THE POINT NOW, TO WHERE I AM AT THE EDGE OF
> UNCONDITIONAL HATE.
This is not good. hate burns one up. There are many I could hate;
but my hating them would be a victory for them, since it would change me
from what I want to be.
Yeah, I am burning up energy at an accellerated rate of time.
Like the George Strait song: I Hate Everything; I am at the edge of hating everything.
> IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE AN INFINITE # OF INCHES YET TO GODDAMNED AND
> MANDAMNED GO, AND IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING.
I can understand that. Some years ago, I spent two weeks with bad
kidney pain, etc. Laying in bed, getting up every hour or two to take a
hot shower, getting back in bed, getting nurses to give me IV's, etc.
But you know, that passed. I survived.
I hope I will survive all of this endless nonsense that life has to offer.
I am sick and tired of it all.
You have to believe in the world.
I'm not so sure that I believe in the world.
I am angry at this screwed up country, but also angry at the entire screwed up planet,
and my anger is equally applicable to both this country, as well as the entire world.
Believe that by and large, the balance of life is positive.
I'd like to think that, but I am not certain that it is.
Even mice help clean up the junk and insects.
Although they leave a shitload of junk behind, and a shitload of mouse shit, and
a shitload of mouse urine.
Maybe not enough for our taste, and when they bother us
specifically, we can kill them; but it would be bad to kill all mice as
they do useful work in the environment. (We just tempt them too much
with our stuff.)
Not only am I at a discrepancy with the words: medicine, and medication, but I am also
at a discrepancy with the word: environment too.
Environment ='s Enprisonment, Encagement, Enfencement, Entrapment, Encasement,
Enclosement, Imprisonment, etc.
Get the camera, Clyde. Or a small portable frame, and a notepad to
sketch or describe what interesting things you can see. You have got
to seek beauty in order to find it, and in order to develop an
appreciation for the unique beauty of life.
I also forgot to mention before, that I have a professional Panasonic VHS video
camera, but have not put it to tremendous use; it has stayed inside of the
carrying case, for the majority of the time that I have owned it, since I want to
preserve its life, for a very long time, and really haven't felt the need to use it
for much anyway, since I currently cannot afford to buy a low power television
broadcast transmitter, for a micro T.V. station.
And I didn't mention too, that I do journalling, yet money always impedes progress:
ALWAYS!!!, regarding the ability to apply my research, to endless hands on
science projects.
Right now I need something for both my neurology, and for my anger, combined.
I am working on a massive list of weblinks that I have found in my internet
searches and researches, of the past, and of the present, to share with others
out there.
I've got nothing to lose, by sharing all of the infomation.
I hope that I will get the list finished today, but I can't put a guarantee on it.
There will also be a sequel to the list, at a future time, maybe even a third part, or
more.
Sincerely, Clyde
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Apr 13 23:15:35 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Apr 13 16:15:41 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: More various topics.
In-Reply-To: <20050413185451.84644.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 13, 2005 11:54:51 AM
Message-ID: <20050413231535.2409.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Melatonin worked for me...
>
>
> Melatonin worked for me for a while, but then after a while, it started effecting
> my cardiology negatively, after I discontinued taking Clonazepam.
If many thigns are out of whack, it can be hard to work them back.
> > I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING FISH OIL, SINCE IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT
> > IT IS ACTUALLY MUCH BETTER, THAN CONSUMING OLIVE OIL.
>
> Maybe.
>
> My heart feels like it is damaged, and I fear that I am headed for heart failure; I am
> not drinking enough fluids at the present time, like I used to drink lots of fluids; and
> it is screwing me up.
Sounds like low trace minerals. It's amazing what happens when some
obscure mineral used in micrograms in the body is absent. Whole systems
start mibehaving.
i remember Doc once suggested I try Sea Gruel, a de-salinized sea
salt. There are others of that type I have tried from time to time.
They all have some mild positive effect at that couple of drops per day
range, at least for me.
> I just cannot afford the higher than hell expenses of food in this modern day.
> This country needs to invest in widescale, massively sized greenhouse biospheres,
> the size of football fields, for a new food production economy; farmers are just
> barely getting by, and a lot of them, as I have heard, have gone bankrupt.
Yes. It's the cost of the fuel to plow, cost of the money to own,
etc. Investing more would only bankrupt faster. We have trememdous
farm productivity... we just have fuel and money costs.
> Also, I read in a book about Nikola Tesla one time, that he invented a ways and means
> to extract nitrogen from the atmosphere, to use, for fertilization of the earth ground,
> for farming.
We're doing a lot of that in seveal ways, from what I hear.
> I assume that there are probably industries built around such a concept now, today.
> Although I don't have the time at the moment, to look into it, in depth, to find out
> what the type of industry is called, and what the extent of its benefit it is, to this
> country, and to the world.
> This country is also way behind the times, for a maglev monorail, national speed
> train system, to replace Amtrak.
Yes we are. But... would it return the investment? Trucks are
cheaper, go more places, and don't have to be unloaded from the trains
into the trucks.
> Possibly allergies to the crap ass air unquality, of this damned house in which
> I am forced to have to live, yet I cannot do a damned thing to improve the air
> quality.
> I need a 24/7 air filtration system, as well as a humidifier, for dry days.
> The dust level in this fucking house is nonsense, yet there is nothing that I can
> do about it, to correct the problem, because of the bullshit of money.
What i built: http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/air.html
> I forgot to mention also, that I tried vitamin B, and it increased my neurological
> (accellerated neurological metabolic rate of time), nervousness, to where I was extremely
> uncomfortable, around others.
Too much pantothenic acid can do that. Other question is PKU.
And just in case I forgot, avoid all artificially sweetened sodas,
aspartame, nutrasweet, etc.
> pH strips. Get something in the 5.2 - 7.0 range. Some pharmacies
> carry them. Don't get something with two broad a range, as it can be
> difficult to tell minor variations.
>
> Ok, I wonder if they are very expensive???
Not a clue. I suppose it depends on the type.
I'm falling asleep here, so I'm skipping a bit. Had to get up
early to tow a truck out of there and return some rental equipment.
> Dr. Philpot is in Choctaw 405-390-1444, he will work with other
> physicians. He wrote a very interesting book "Brain Allergies", about
> some things which can mame a person fail mentally.
>
> Look up orthomolecular Oklahoma for some interesting reading.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?orthomolecular+oklahoma
>
> This is cool, thanks for the weblink; I know it will benefit many others, too!
> I do have a Choctaw Indian card, but really haven't been able to put it to much
> useage; I don't know if I would have to travel all of the way down to Durant Oklahoma,
> to get help, with Orthomolecular doctoring, or not.
> Durant is the headquarters of the Choctaw Native American tribe.
> It is easy for me to jump the gun on many things, because of my screwed up neurology
> and also due to the wanting time to pass, far faster than what it does in certain
> circumstances, to blast past all of life's endless bullshit!
Yes, the mad scientist type. Like all of us at times!
>
> Ok.
> But I am afraid that I might overload the audio gen output, due to the lack of a series resistance being inline, with the coils.
Well, the signal generator still runs...
> Of all of the endless pestilence, I have got to the point now to where I want to live in
> a perfect biosphere ecology, almost hermetically sealed, from the exo ecology of
> perpetual pestilence.
> I am sick and tired of pestilence of every kind!
Evolution is messy, but it's worked for several billion years.
> Get the camera, Clyde. Or a small portable frame, and a notepad to
> sketch or describe what interesting things you can see. You have got
> to seek beauty in order to find it, and in order to develop an
> appreciation for the unique beauty of life.
>
> I also forgot to mention before, that I have a professional Panasonic VHS video
> camera, but have not put it to tremendous use; it has stayed inside of the
> carrying case, for the majority of the time that I have owned it, since I want to
> preserve its life, for a very long time, and really haven't felt the need to use it
> for much anyway, since I currently cannot afford to buy a low power television
> broadcast transmitter, for a micro T.V. station.
Electronics grows obsolete faster than it wears out.
Head about to hit desk... core image failure, I*'d dump my
registers, Dave, but I can't find the pointer to them. Got to taks a
snoozzwe! Daizy dayzy...
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained.
Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.
From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Apr 13 20:06:56 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Wed Apr 13 17:07:17 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Gasoline pricing [WAS: Antibacterial mustard?]
Message-ID: <003c01c54085$e05c4aa0$6401a8c0@mikey>
> Javilk writes:
> And how much leeway do the refineries
> have on price?
Well, with a crude oil price of $57 per 42 gal bbl, this makes the crude
price about $1.37 per gallon. Conversion cost is ~.10, transport adds
.05-.20 (depending on destination). Also, the additives actually reduce the
cost slightly, as ethanol costs about $0.80 per gallon. So let's say that
full product cost is $1.60, delivered.
To that delivered price, add anywhere from .30-.60 for taxes (Higher in CA).
So your pump price of almost $2.70 includes ~.50 in clear profit. Most
retailers make only 1-3 cents per gallon (they use it only as a draw to sell
beer and cigarettes inside); the lion's share of the profit goes to the
refiner and distributor.
I've already seen a switch to using lower grades. At the corner store where
I work part time, we sell 6000-7000 gallons per week. In January, we sold
~1200 gallons of 91 octane per week; last week, only 96 gallons were sold.
But the aggregate total gallons sold has changed little.
So the corner store here makes ~$130/week on gas sales, the gasoline company
makes ~$3120/week.
> > You cannot just bring a continuous cat cracker to cold shutdown without
> > destroying the catalyst, very like a coke oven. It was built to run
> > without stopping, until the catalyst is poisoned- forcing a maintenance
> > shutdown.
> >
> > And restart is dangerous- this is what caused the recent explosion in
> > Texas City- restart after routine maintenance.
> Wouldn't they just pass the cost on to us?
Probably! But what is worse is that the government has become addicted to
the tax revenue. As the nation's auto fleet switches to more fuel-efficient
vehicles- an expected result of high fuel prices, like in the 70's- they
will increase the per gallon tax to maintain the revenue from fewer gallons
sold. Further, inflation demands that the government revenues increase, not
just hold the line- so we have a double whammy here that promises to double
the fuel tax in short order.
IMHO, the increase in gas prices serves two facets of the Liberal hidden
agenda: Lining pockets and bank accounts of the already wealthy at the
expense of the common man, and enforcing the Kyoto Protocol on the USA. (An
aside- the exemption of China from Kyoto serves the first item above.)
My alternative: a crash program of building nuke plants, and developing cold
fusion. All the pieces are here today for the next Einstein to deduce how
Pons and Fleishmann's device works. The key was when I read a peer-reviewed
journal article demonstrating the formation of plasma-state matter in
collapsing bubbles at the electrodes of an electrolytic cell.
Nuke power would solve many of our problems; economic, social, and
political. It would also destroy the profiteering of the oil companies, and
reduce the power of those who would enslave us.
-MB
From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 01:07:09 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Apr 13 18:07:12 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Gasoline pricing [WAS: Antibacterial mustard?]
In-Reply-To: <003c01c54085$e05c4aa0$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Apr
13, 2005 08:06:56 PM
Message-ID: <20050414010709.69378.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Well, with a crude oil price of $57 per 42 gal bbl, this makes the crude
> price about $1.37 per gallon. Conversion cost is ~.10, transport adds
> .05-.20 (depending on destination). Also, the additives actually reduce =
> the cost slightly, as ethanol costs about $0.80 per gallon. So let's say =
> that full product cost is $1.60, delivered.=
>
And I paid $2.669 yesterday, 2.559 elsewhere this morning.
> To that delivered price, add anywhere from .30-.60 for taxes (Higher in =
> CA). So your pump price of almost $2.70 includes ~.50 in clear profit. Most
> retailers make only 1-3 cents per gallon (they use it only as a draw to =
> sell beer and cigarettes inside); the lion's share of the profit goes to the
> refiner and distributor.
Adding new meaning to the phrase death and taxes.
> I've already seen a switch to using lower grades. At the corner store =
> where I work part time, we sell 6000-7000 gallons per week. In January, we =
> sold ~1200 gallons of 91 octane per week; last week, only 96 gallons were =
> sold. But the aggregate total gallons sold has changed little.
Ben Wattenberg, science talk show host on KGO, has been saying for
years that the premium versions are a rip-off. If your car does not
ping, use regular.
> IMHO, the increase in gas prices serves two facets of the Liberal hidden
> agenda: Lining pockets and bank accounts of the already wealthy at the
> expense of the common man, and enforcing the Kyoto Protocol on the USA. =
> (An aside- the exemption of China from Kyoto serves the first item above.)
Ah... we buy from china and feed their military... which wants to
take over Taiwan and the rest of Asia.
> My alternative: a crash program of building nuke plants, and developing =
> cold fusion. All the pieces are here today for the next Einstein to deduce =
> how Pons and Fleishmann's device works. The key was when I read a =
> peer-reviewed
> journal article demonstrating the formation of plasma-state matter in
> collapsing bubbles at the electrodes of an electrolytic cell.
YES!!!
> Nuke power would solve many of our problems; economic, social, and
> political. It would also destroy the profiteering of the oil companies, =
> and reduce the power of those who would enslave us.
The biggest brake on our economy today, is energy costs! Not just
in terms of direct cost, but also in terms of reducing the mixing of
people who might visit each other, try things, buy things, etc.
What's it take to really play with either cold fusion, or
bubble-fusion, (Bold fusion?) Can we calorimetrically prove that bubble
fusion adds more than the energy put in???
-J- (javilk@mall-net.com) ----------------------------------
You can't get anywhere without making errorz.
But do try to keep them cheap...
From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 01:56:28 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Apr 13 18:56:30 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: More various topics.
In-Reply-To: <20050413231535.2409.qmail@mall-net.com> from
"javilk@mall-net.com" at Apr 13, 2005 11:15:35 PM
Message-ID: <20050414015628.21658.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > I assume that there are probably industries built around such a concept now, today.
> > Although I don't have the time at the moment, to look into it, in depth, to find out
> > what the type of industry is called, and what the extent of its benefit it is, to this
> > country, and to the world.
> > This country is also way behind the times, for a maglev monorail, national speed
> > train system, to replace Amtrak.
>
> Yes we are. But... would it return the investment? Trucks are
> cheaper, go more places, and don't have to be unloaded from the trains
> into the trucks.
Now that I am awake again...
It is intersting for ALL of us to look at the history of the IBM PC
-- the dynamics, finances, and advertising pitches involved.
It is not just important for the PC, it is even more an example of
how WE can make a difference in this world!
(In 1982, I was involved at IBM in the evaluation of PCs for
internal use.) (This is partly excerpted from something I wrote last
fall in my personal journal.)
When the PC was introduced in 1992, it cost around $5,000 for the
equivalent of a quarter of an IBM 360. Mainframes were way past that,
but I used the 360, so it's a "foot" measurement for me. Today, we've
gone about "two miles" vs the "quarter foot" PC. And what the PC did,
was set a direction -- Personal (corporate, but on-person) Computing.
The equivalent cost of mainframe computing was lower by a factor of
over 50 percent OR MORE. It made very little financial sense to buy PC's
then!
So why did it catch on?
Corporate computer use had reached a limit more fundamental than
the rate of growth in computational power -- Upper Management Inertia!
By the time a corporation could decide to cough up a million or two
for a mainframe computer, which might take half a year to a year and a
half of departmental meetings, etc. By the time a machine was in
place, the computational demand was already far beyond the quantity
delivered. Many of those IBM computer terminals had a stack of
magazines next to them, a stack much like that found by some toilets!
For the same reason!
In contrast to mainframes, the PC was priced to fit a departmental
budget, to fit a department head's decision authority. No corporate wide
studies, no corporate wide agreements needed. When a manager needed
another PC for a new worker or three, his department ordered one. The PC
based worker was productive that week. But the price of all those PCs
added up much, much higher than the price of a mainframe. And the
computing power was mostly wasted waiting for keystrokes or just sitting
idle. (And for the most part, still is!)
Time saved getting a PC vs a main frame: half to one man-year.
So from the start, the PC movement sold itself as enhancing the
decision making power of the corporate man. Unlike Apple Computer's
landmark "1984" ad in which a female athlete throws a hammer, smashing
the grim gray image of Big Brother / corporation; IBM's comic "Modern
Times" Chaplin character sold the man using the PC to management by
showing any idiot with a PC can be trusted to make sound business
judgments. The double message also told the man (and woman) to 'get a
PC, and you'll be taken more seriously.'
In short, IBM saw the customer.
All Apple seemed to sell, was a fancy etch-a-sketch with a keyboard
and called it "Creativity", "Think Different" was one of the slogans.
Molloy ("Dress for Success") said that women's business suits, a
rarity before the mid 80's, took off at just about that time.
IBM history site: http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/
What does that have to do with new clear fusion, power, etc?
EVERYTHING!
Who's able to do the most research on any phenomenon, corporations,
or mad scientists?
Whenever a PERSON can afford the key equipment necessary to do
research, it is the PERSONAL SCIENTIST, aka Mad Scientist, who creates
progress!
That is what happened in the PC field before IBM fielded a personal
computer. We hobbyists were soldering together Intel 8080
microprocessor machines. We developed the first set of business small
machine software. Some of us who saw what was happening managed to surf
the huge financial waves rippling out of the PC to great wealth.
Others... ah well... I had the Web idea in 1982. I just didn't
understand how to sell it.
The biggest idiots on the block in the 1980's were the telephone
company. They jumped on the PC band wagon by selling a Unix PC.
That was a good idea, but... Think of what they could have reaped if
they had set things up so your computer could tell if a call was coming
for it, or for you. A modem based web in which just about every web page
earned Ma Bell and her sisters a nickle!
It was almost, almost possible then, because at that time, you
could hear the party at the other end between rings if you picked up the
signal capacitively. (Which was the basis of the so-called "Black Box",
the phone phreak in-WATS line. Thus, all that would be required, is a
modem that sent tone on calling, rather than on answering, and a modem
on the other end that listened capacitively to decide whether to answer
based on whether there was a modem tone between ring signals.
Why would they think of this? Because by the late 70's, more
calls were being generated by computers than people -- Credit card
verification transactions!
Look outside the box, folks!
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Apr 13 22:22:05 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Wed Apr 13 19:22:22 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Cold fusion [WAS: RE: Gasoline pricing]
In-Reply-To: <20050414010709.69378.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <005201c54098$c0766b40$6401a8c0@mikey>
> From: javilk@mall-net.com [mailto:javilk@mall-net.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:07 PM
> What's it take to really play with either cold fusion, or
> bubble-fusion, (Bold fusion?) Can we calorimetrically prove that bubble
> fusion adds more than the energy put in???
This has already been demonstrated calorimetrically. See Pons and
Fleishmann's article in _J Electrochem_. Unfortunately, the cost of the
sacrificial tungsten/platinum/palladium electrodes makes it economically
non-viable for commercial nrg production. The "nano-detonations" destroy
the expensive electrodes. Overcome this, and we have an economically viable
source of fusion nrg.
In fact, the Pons/Fleishmann cell has been reproduced many times, even for
high school science fairs!
However, the recent discovery of plasma in collapsing cavitations of
electrochemical cells gives us a good lead to follow in order to deduce the
mechanism. Pons and Fleischmann theorized that the fusion occurred in the
Pt crystal matrix- I think it occurs in the collapsing bubbles of
hydrogen/deuterium generated by electrolytic action.
It's late; I have a sore throat, cold, and laryngitis tonight- I've one more
post to make to another list, and then I'm taking some vitamin C and headed
for bed. I'll post some links to this research tomorrow.
> -J- (javilk@mall-net.com) ----------------------------------
> You can't get anywhere without making errorz.
> But do try to keep them cheap...
That's why we have labs!
-MB
From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 06:14:48 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Apr 13 23:14:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Robots rode Camels in Arabia!
In-Reply-To: <20050414015628.21658.qmail@mall-net.com> from
"javilk@mall-net.com" at Apr 14, 2005 01:56:28 AM
Message-ID: <20050414061448.83484.qmail@mall-net.com>
To make camel racing safer... robots are replacing camel young
jockeys in races. The remote control robot jockeys are expected to cost
$5,000 each, and are a direct result of the UAE Camel Racing Association
ban on under 16 year old jockeys.
More: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7251
(And they call us mad?)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 06:40:32 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Apr 14 06:40:41 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I will be changing my political affiliation,
to the Constitution Party.
Message-ID: <20050414134032.29988.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
To those concerned,
I have made a final decision that I will be
changing my political affiliation to the
Constitution Party.
I have been an Independent for over two
years now, and have not been truly
independent.
The dumbass sheeple of this country
are screwing this country up, as equally
as ALL of the worthless politicians: ALL
POLITICIANS!
Clyde Lofton
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Apr 14 06:56:50 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
country?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050414135642.13800.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
clyde lofton wrote:
This is an e-mail that I typed up
yesterday, to the Institute Of
Ecolonomics.
Seems that they have gone out
of business.
Clyde
Is there any hope for the future of this
country?
I have no love for Bush Jr., Kerry,
Clinton, or Bush Sr., Saddam
Hussein, or Osama Laden.
They have all worked at f-----g this
country up.
I have done some reading today of
Thomas Jefferson quotes, and I am
feeling that this country needs drastic,
peaceful change(s); whether change(s)
will happen peacefully, now, I am
feeling doubtful.
1st: Drastic moral revival.
2nd: Drastic change(s) in the energy
infrastructure.
I support the works of you all, and I
support the works of Dr. Steven Greer,
and The Disclosure Project, and Space
Energy Access Systems.
I haven't looked lately at what the
current happenings are, with the New
Energy Movement, because the last
time that I looked, there was nothing
happening with that, at all.
I have lost my faith and hope, in the
people, and of the politicians of this
now screwed up country.
Also, I don't want to step on anyone's
toes, but the definition of the word:
environment, means the exact same,
as: imprisonment, enprisonment,
enfencement, and encagement, etc.,
and I feel that we the people need to
focus on using the word: ecology, to
replace the word: environment, in our
vocabularies, because the word:
environment seems to me to be used
wrongly.
Correct me if I am mistaken.
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 10:10:06 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Thu Apr 14 10:10:18 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
country?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050414171006.50453.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
1.) define "moral." one of the things that jefferson
seems to have held with was a quote "if it does not
break my arm, nor pick my pocket, what do I care?"
(liberties have been taken with the exact quote...)
I believe that the strongest force in this country, is
its incredible diversity. what set of morals shall we
revive?
2.) while this country's "leaders" seem to be unable
to see daylight, there are many groups which are
pursuing their own energy projects. Home Power
magazine seems to be a banner periodical for these
folks.
3.) IMHO, the modern prison system is a metastazed
carry-over from the southern plantations.
bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
>
> clyde lofton wrote:
> This is an e-mail that I typed up
> yesterday, to the Institute Of
> Ecolonomics.
> Seems that they have gone out
> of business.
>
> Clyde
>
>
> Is there any hope for the future of this
> country?
> I have no love for Bush Jr., Kerry,
> Clinton, or Bush Sr., Saddam
> Hussein, or Osama Laden.
> They have all worked at f-----g this
> country up.
> I have done some reading today of
> Thomas Jefferson quotes, and I am
> feeling that this country needs drastic,
> peaceful change(s); whether change(s)
> will happen peacefully, now, I am
> feeling doubtful.
> 1st: Drastic moral revival.
> 2nd: Drastic change(s) in the energy
> infrastructure.
> I support the works of you all, and I
> support the works of Dr. Steven Greer,
> and The Disclosure Project, and Space
> Energy Access Systems.
> I haven't looked lately at what the
> current happenings are, with the New
> Energy Movement, because the last
> time that I looked, there was nothing
> happening with that, at all.
> I have lost my faith and hope, in the
> people, and of the politicians of this
> now screwed up country.
> Also, I don't want to step on anyone's
> toes, but the definition of the word:
> environment, means the exact same,
> as: imprisonment, enprisonment,
> enfencement, and encagement, etc.,
> and I feel that we the people need to
> focus on using the word: ecology, to
> replace the word: environment, in our
> vocabularies, because the word:
> environment seems to me to be used
> wrongly.
> Correct me if I am mistaken.
>
> Clyde Lofton
> clydelofton@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 10:45:26 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Apr 14 10:45:34 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
country?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050414174526.60211.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
Robert Juliano wrote:
Clyde,
1.) define "moral." one of the things that jefferson
seems to have held with was a quote "if it does not
break my arm, nor pick my pocket, what do I care?"
(liberties have been taken with the exact quote...)
Moral: Perfectly chaste.
Morality: Perfect chastity.
='s Perfect innocence.
I believe that the strongest force in this country, is
its incredible diversity. what set of morals shall we
revive?
As stated above.
2.) while this country's "leaders" seem to be unable
to see daylight, there are many groups which are
pursuing their own energy projects. Home Power
magazine seems to be a banner periodical for these
folks.
Solar power is weak.
Wind power is better.
Solar power, and windpower are neither continuous duty, nor efficient.
3.) IMHO, the modern prison system is a metastazed
carry-over from the southern plantations.
Does this imply that the prison system's mass occupancy, are black's?
bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
>
> clyde lofton wrote:
> This is an e-mail that I typed up
> yesterday, to the Institute Of
> Ecolonomics.
> Seems that they have gone out
> of business.
>
> Clyde
>
>
> Is there any hope for the future of this
> country?
> I have no love for Bush Jr., Kerry,
> Clinton, or Bush Sr., Saddam
> Hussein, or Osama Laden.
> They have all worked at f-----g this
> country up.
> I have done some reading today of
> Thomas Jefferson quotes, and I am
> feeling that this country needs drastic,
> peaceful change(s); whether change(s)
> will happen peacefully, now, I am
> feeling doubtful.
> 1st: Drastic moral revival.
> 2nd: Drastic change(s) in the energy
> infrastructure.
> I support the works of you all, and I
> support the works of Dr. Steven Greer,
> and The Disclosure Project, and Space
> Energy Access Systems.
> I haven't looked lately at what the
> current happenings are, with the New
> Energy Movement, because the last
> time that I looked, there was nothing
> happening with that, at all.
> I have lost my faith and hope, in the
> people, and of the politicians of this
> now screwed up country.
> Also, I don't want to step on anyone's
> toes, but the definition of the word:
> environment, means the exact same,
> as: imprisonment, enprisonment,
> enfencement, and encagement, etc.,
> and I feel that we the people need to
> focus on using the word: ecology, to
> replace the word: environment, in our
> vocabularies, because the word:
> environment seems to me to be used
> wrongly.
> Correct me if I am mistaken.
>
> Clyde Lofton
> clydelofton@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Apr 14 11:20:55 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I will be changing my political affiliation,
In-Reply-To: <20050414134032.29988.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 14, 2005 06:40:32 AM
Message-ID: <20050414182054.75989.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I have made a final decision that I will be
> changing my political affiliation to the
> Constitution Party.
> I have been an Independent for over two
> years now, and have not been truly
> independent.
> The dumbass sheeple of this country
> are screwing this country up, as equally
> as ALL of the worthless politicians: ALL
> POLITICIANS!
I'm glad you put it equally on both sides. We want the best
politicians money can buy, but we don't pay them enough! So someone
else does...
Mike, what's your view?
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 11:43:28 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Apr 14 11:43:41 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Revised weblinks.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050414184328.20107.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
To those concerned:
I have been an Independent, for approximately
two years now, and I will be joining the
constitution party now, as well as quite possibly
joining in, to the Tulsa militia, if possible.
I have had it to way beyond over the top, with
this fucked up, dumbass country.
The powers that be, are invoking, both civil
unrest, and civil war.
I now have a fear, whether or not it is justifiable
or not, that the Muslim prediction of a massive
tsunami destroying the United States as we know
it, being very possible, with possible strategic
'planting of' underwater nuclear bombs, at
specific places around the United States coasts.
The results would be absolutely devastating to
the entire nation, and I am fucking mad as hell
at the possibility of it actually occuring.
I wasn't a gun type of person in the past; only a
radio transmitter person, but I have changed my
mind.
I have now become both a gun advocate, as
well as a radio station transmitter advocate.
Revised weblinks:
http://www.constitution.org/mil/ok/mil_usok.htm
http://www.fair.org/index.php
http://www.members.aol.com/vftfiles/terror.htm
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/okcbomb2.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23167
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php
Clyde Lofton
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 11:53:21 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Thu Apr 14 11:53:28 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
country?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050414185321.47174.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com>
I knew that I shouldn't have started this... in for a
penny...
Clyde,
1.) this country has never been "perfectly chaste."
while the puritans had something of a more restricted
moral coded in re sexual relations, women could sue
their husbands for not performing, and it was accepted
as a fact of life that successful men would have a
mistress in addition to a wife. I am willing to bet
that if this great country of ours were to become
"perfectly chaste," we'd fall apart inside of 1
generation.
2a.) in looking at solar and wind power, one should
discard the idea of the plant always providing power.
Instead, write up the daily power budget, and then
figure loads around that. If I can count on at least
120 days (@6 hrs/day) of sunny weather, I can start
running the math around that. solar panels are
expensive, mirrors aren't. putting the PV panels
underneath a pool of water allow the red light to heat
the water, which furnishes the hot water (and maybe
steam heat, YMMV) for the house. the PV panels can
then have the mirrors focusing as many mirrors as you
want. this allows a great deal of savings in terms of
PV panels.
2b.) wind depends on where you live.
3.) nope. I didn't say that. I *AM* saying that
prisons seem to a source of cheap labor for certain
companies (northstar, etc), the folks in prison pretty
much can't get a break once they are out of prison,
the food is nothing to smile about, the guards can be
bad as slavers can uncle tom's cabin, and the groups
running the prisons are making money hand over fist. I
am a special ed teacher. I've worked with "court
adjudicated youth" in the past. bad system, bad
regulations, and bad breaks for the kids/inmates.
Bob, who wouldn't mind all of us getting back to mad
science
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
>
> Robert Juliano wrote:
>
> Clyde,
>
> 1.) define "moral." one of the things that jefferson
> seems to have held with was a quote "if it does not
> break my arm, nor pick my pocket, what do I care?"
> (liberties have been taken with the exact quote...)
>
>
> Moral: Perfectly chaste.
>
> Morality: Perfect chastity.
>
> ='s Perfect innocence.
>
>
> I believe that the strongest force in this country,
> is
> its incredible diversity. what set of morals shall
> we
> revive?
>
>
> As stated above.
>
>
> 2.) while this country's "leaders" seem to be unable
> to see daylight, there are many groups which are
> pursuing their own energy projects. Home Power
> magazine seems to be a banner periodical for these
> folks.
>
>
> Solar power is weak.
>
> Wind power is better.
>
> Solar power, and windpower are neither continuous
> duty, nor efficient.
>
>
> 3.) IMHO, the modern prison system is a metastazed
> carry-over from the southern plantations.
>
>
> Does this imply that the prison system's mass
> occupancy, are black's?
>
>
> bob
>
> --- clyde lofton wrote:
> >
> >
> > clyde lofton wrote:
> > This is an e-mail that I typed up
> > yesterday, to the Institute Of
> > Ecolonomics.
> > Seems that they have gone out
> > of business.
> >
> > Clyde
> >
> >
> > Is there any hope for the future of this
> > country?
> > I have no love for Bush Jr., Kerry,
> > Clinton, or Bush Sr., Saddam
> > Hussein, or Osama Laden.
> > They have all worked at f-----g this
> > country up.
> > I have done some reading today of
> > Thomas Jefferson quotes, and I am
> > feeling that this country needs drastic,
> > peaceful change(s); whether change(s)
> > will happen peacefully, now, I am
> > feeling doubtful.
> > 1st: Drastic moral revival.
> > 2nd: Drastic change(s) in the energy
> > infrastructure.
> > I support the works of you all, and I
> > support the works of Dr. Steven Greer,
> > and The Disclosure Project, and Space
> > Energy Access Systems.
> > I haven't looked lately at what the
> > current happenings are, with the New
> > Energy Movement, because the last
> > time that I looked, there was nothing
> > happening with that, at all.
> > I have lost my faith and hope, in the
> > people, and of the politicians of this
> > now screwed up country.
> > Also, I don't want to step on anyone's
> > toes, but the definition of the word:
> > environment, means the exact same,
> > as: imprisonment, enprisonment,
> > enfencement, and encagement, etc.,
> > and I feel that we the people need to
> > focus on using the word: ecology, to
> > replace the word: environment, in our
> > vocabularies, because the word:
> > environment seems to me to be used
> > wrongly.
> > Correct me if I am mistaken.
> >
> > Clyde Lofton
> > clydelofton@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Apr 14 12:51:37 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
In-Reply-To: <20050414135642.13800.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 14, 2005 06:56:41 AM
Message-ID: <20050414195134.45376.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Is there any hope for the future of this
> country?
Was there ever any hope for America? I mean, we started out with
really dumb people drinking grog and ale as part of their diet, tax
evaders and rebels who refused and fought off the assistance of a
government that knew a lot more than we did. Heck, our chicken sh***
military didn't even stand and shoot straight, hiding behind rocks and
trees during the war; while the right and proper Redcoats formed lines
and fired like a precision team! Heck, even the Indians didn't hide
behind trees! What a bunch of chickens we were!
One of our leaders got involved in a duel, pistols at 20 paces, and
was coughting up blood from lung injury most of his life! And the guy
who wrote that bald faced lie about all people being equal was in debt
all his life!
Our monetary system, when we put together a monetary system, was
soon in shambles! It gave rise to the "Not worth a Continental!" At
that point, the banks were printing their own money.
And our health care system consisted of bleeding people (not
wallets) and giving them mercury based poisons. No wonder people didn't
often live past 40 or 50!
We were soon invaded by the greatest world power and Washington was
burned to the ground (with the exception of the Patent Office.)
We didn't have a chance in hell!
Yet we made it. Why? Because of the people. Because the people
believed that bald faced lie about all people being equal, because
people helped each other more often than cheated each other, because...
Because it was The People who decided what to do rather than
waiting for some burro-c-rats and aristo-c-rats to permit them to do it!
Many of us have a defining moment in our lives, when we discover
what America is all about.
Mine was the Loma Prieta earthquake of 1989, when The Cypress
Structure, a deal-decker highway interchange bridge collapsed on people
driving BMW's, Mecedies, and many other rich man's cars. The Cypress
Structure ran through the darkest, poorest neighborhood in the entire
San Francisco Bay area.
These dirt poor and oppressed blacks came swarming out of their
hovels, climbed up into the groaning mess of concrete and steel, risking
their very lives to save Fellow Americans!!! And kept at it despite the
aftershocks which did not stop!!!
THAT is America!
If that were to happen in Albania, Slovenia, Darfur, just about
anywhere else, the poor would be looting those cars and knifing the
people trapped in them!!!
If that was Japan, as it was after the Kyoto earthquake, we
saw the Japanese Military line up, stand at attention waiting to be
given the order start trying to save people in the rubble.
If that happened in America, the dumb-ass military guy ordering
them to stand at attantion would be court martialed, Or shot by his own
troops!
THAT is MY America!!! And I am one of those Americans who doesn't
give a damned about what Law or Order is; WHEN we see what NEEDS to be
done, we DO it because we are also the other guy in trouble who needs
help! We'll tend to the paper work later, and if there is any problem,
we put our faith in a jury of our peers to decide what should have been
done, and what to do about it. Because just about all of us are that
way!
Yes, Mai Lai's, Teapot Dome's, and Enron's happen. Yes, there are
evil people in America. But by and large, we do the right thing, and do
it from our hearts, because we are all in each other's hearts in
America!
I've worked on both coasts, consulted to many companies, met many
people from all walks of life, met many people from other nations.
America is Good in it's heart.
> I have no love for Bush Jr., Kerry,
> Clinton, or Bush Sr., Saddam
> Hussein, or Osama Laden.
> They have all worked at f-----g this
> country up.
And failed at it!
> I have done some reading today of
> Thomas Jefferson quotes, and I am
> feeling that this country needs drastic,
> peaceful change(s); whether change(s)
> will happen peacefully, now, I am
> feeling doubtful.
I don't think we need that much change.
> 1st: Drastic moral revival.
Less than ten percent of our population is amoral. Just look at the
venirial disease statistics. We did, however, elect a few bone-heads
like Mr. Morality Carter, and Mr. Infidelity Klunkton. Yet Kennedy was
far less moral than Klunkton, and the traits that made him immoral
seemed to let him face off our biggest enemy in The Cuban Missle Crisis.
And later, we elected a dumb-assed actor who showed us that all that
counts is what's in the heart. If we set the course with the goodness
of our hearts, our minds, and the minds of myriads of others joining us,
will make it happen.
> 2nd: Drastic change(s) in the energy
> infrastructure.
Drastic change is an anathema to everyone. Gradual change happens
all the time. From 12 mile per gallon gas guzzlers, we went to 30 even
40 mile per gallon cars. Which all things considered, isn't that bad!
Though with hybrids and much hotter ceramic engines, we might be able to
get closer to 75 - 100 miles per gallon. (The major energy loss in an
engine being the radiator.)
A lot further to go, to be sure! But we are trying, both in
corporations that want to save on their energy bills, and individual
inventors.
> I support the works of you all, and I
> support the works of Dr. Steven Greer,
> and The Disclosure Project, and Space
> Energy Access Systems.
They don't have anything real and useful... yet. Mostly, the have
prizes available to those who try and succeed.
> I haven't looked lately at what the
> current happenings are, with the New
> Energy Movement, because the last
> time that I looked, there was nothing
> happening with that, at all.
> I have lost my faith and hope, in the
> people, and of the politicians of this
> now screwed up country.
Just try looking at the news about other nations...
> Also, I don't want to step on anyone's
> toes, but the definition of the word:
> environment, means the exact same,
> as: imprisonment, enprisonment,
> enfencement, and encagement, etc.,
The strongest jail is that of the laws of physics. We're still
trying to saw through some of the bars; but when we succeed, we see they
were bars created by the lack of imagination, ignorance, and
misunderstanding, not ultimate physical reality.
> and I feel that we the people need to
> focus on using the word: ecology, to
> replace the word: environment, in our
> vocabularies, because the word:
> environment seems to me to be used
> wrongly.
> Correct me if I am mistaken.
One point of view. There are others.
My parents fled Europe in WW-II. They saw worse, and fought for
freedom. Some of my close friends snuck over the border to escape our
enemies, came and made a legal life here in America. I still remember
one Polish guy's tears of pride and honor when he said he was making
parts for American fighter jets. My father too, worked in defense. It
wasn't that he was so beaming proud, it was that his heart told him he
was in the right place, doing the right thing. And a bunch of guys
along with him.
That's the America I see. Yes, there are others, thieves, grifters,
conmen and murderers. Buy by and large, we get to chose who we want to
be. Be the example of what you want to see, and you'll attract others
like that.
It's not a pride thing, it's not a chin-in-the-air thing. Its an
attitude in your heart, an openness and willingness to admit you are not
perfict, and just do what you can do to make this nation better. I
think one of the best examples I've read about is Ronald Reagan's life.
He quietly stepped up to the plate whenever he could, working as a life
guard in his youth, saving some 70 - 100 people; protecting others with
his presence in some cheap luncheonettes he ate in, acting honorable
roles in Hollywood, writing and representing America to Americans in his
role as spokesman at General Electric, and later as our president. And
he never felt that he was unique; because he knew in his heart that he
wasn't, he knew that he was just representing all of us in the light we
wanted to see ourselves in; and that by and large we would act that way
whenever we had the opportunity.
I honestly thing you could exchange Ronald Reagan and Carol Woitila
(soon St. John Paul The Great), and you'd see pretty much the same
results. Some of the details would have been different, to be sure; but
the goals and paths would have lead to the same place.
It's up to us to see ourselves in that light, then act the way we
would want others to act. We all falter at first. But those who wish,
persist and become the great men most of us Americans are. That's what
makes America so great, so resilient, so much The Nation of the Future,
rather than like all those nations of the past run by men of personal
power.
And we mad scientists are at the heart of this deal, irreverent of
conventional wisdom of our time, experimenting with lots of crazy
things, some of which will become the next great thing, like the
stupidity of drilling into the ground for crude oil, the madness of
commercial incandescent lighting, the total financial irresponsibility
of personal automobiles for the masses, the unmarketability of personal
computers, and personal web pages... all apparent forms of insantiy
which Changed the Entire World!
We're really not just mad scientists, we're Mad Americans! As mad
as they get! We have a Tommorrow to build. "Damned the Torpedoes, FULL
SPEED AHEAD!!!"
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 21:15:04 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Apr 14 14:15:06 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
In-Reply-To: <20050414185321.47174.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at Apr 14, 2005 11:53:21 AM
Message-ID: <20050414211504.2862.qmail@mall-net.com>
> 1.) this country has never been "perfectly chaste."
> while the puritans had something of a more restricted
> moral coded in re sexual relations, women could sue
We may argue about what degree, but nothing's perfict.
> 2a.) in looking at solar and wind power, one should
> discard the idea of the plant always providing power.
I live on Solar power, but use a generator every day as backup.
> 2b.) wind depends on where you live.
And I am convinced that half the folks talking about wind are lying
through their teeth. I just don't know which half, nor what they use
for batteries!
> 3.) nope. I didn't say that. I *AM* saying that
> prisons seem to a source of cheap labor for certain
Prisons are to keep honest people honest, and keep bad people out of
the honest people's hair.
Usually, the system works.
> Bob, who wouldn't mind all of us getting back to mad
> science
What, you mean this isn't mad politicians? Why should we confine
our madness to only one corner of our lives???
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 14:22:51 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Apr 14 14:22:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050414212251.36613.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com>
Well, there is the category of political science too!
Although I can't say that I am versed at all, in
politics.
I guess I will go ahead and send the massive list
of weblinks, after this e-mail, even though I cannot
bring it to a better completion, than what it is
presently at.
Clyde
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> 1.) this country has never been "perfectly chaste."
> while the puritans had something of a more restricted
> moral coded in re sexual relations, women could sue
We may argue about what degree, but nothing's perfict.
> 2a.) in looking at solar and wind power, one should
> discard the idea of the plant always providing power.
I live on Solar power, but use a generator every day as backup.
> 2b.) wind depends on where you live.
And I am convinced that half the folks talking about wind are lying
through their teeth. I just don't know which half, nor what they use
for batteries!
> 3.) nope. I didn't say that. I *AM* saying that
> prisons seem to a source of cheap labor for certain
Prisons are to keep honest people honest, and keep bad people out of
the honest people's hair.
Usually, the system works.
> Bob, who wouldn't mind all of us getting back to mad
> science
What, you mean this isn't mad politicians? Why should we confine
our madness to only one corner of our lives???
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Apr 14 14:37:22 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Thinking about packing up, very minimally,
and moving to Fort Collins Colorado.
Message-ID: <20050414213710.67847.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
I am thinking about packing up, very
minimally, and moving to Fort Collins
Colorado, and living there, and leaving
the majority of my belongings behind.
I am sick of this dumbass fascist
corporate state, of Oklahoma; and Tulsa is
built also, on an economic and financial
sinkhole.
This city, and OKC are both rundown cities.
This city has one World Trade Tower, built
by the same engineer who built the twin
towers, in NYC.
If Stan Deyo's thoughts about the future
might hold accurate, then the Williams
Center Tower (Tulsa's lone world trade
tower,) will be a future ghost tower, and
the people of this dumbass city will have
flocked to the suburbs, and to the
outskirts, of this old, cursed, petroleum
oil empire.
I have lost my respect for this fucking
city on a sinkhole.
Clyde
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Apr 14 14:41:54 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
In-Reply-To: <20050414212251.36613.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 14, 2005 02:22:51 PM
Message-ID: <20050414214153.19987.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Well, there is the category of political science too!
> Although I can't say that I am versed at all, in
> politics.
> I guess I will go ahead and send the massive list
> of weblinks, after this e-mail, even though I cannot
> bring it to a better completion, than what it is
> presently at.
What we ought to do, Clyde, is to post the political aspects
somewhere else. Besides, the'yll probably last longer elsewhere as web
pages than the transience of e-mail.
We really ought to be discussing camel robots, energy sources, etc.
a bit more than mere politics. I mean, physics is more real than
politics.
I still want to know if I can build an osmotic turbine... and how
large it is going to have to be to get few watts out of it.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 14:49:21 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Apr 14 14:49:33 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Reminder web addresses: Part One.
Message-ID: <20050414214921.44165.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
Reminder web addresses:
1. http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6119915
2. http://www.stormingmedia.us/44/4465/A446583.html
3. http://www.floridaplants.com/Store/lotus.htm
4. http://www.lilypons.com
5. http://www.lilypons.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/store/st_main.html?p_catid=4
6. http://www.paradisewatergardens.com
7. http://www2.mailordercentral.com/pwg/
8. http://www.stillwatergardens.com/ContactUs.html
9. http://www.stillwatergardens.com/lotus.html
10. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/8d4636238add0699.html
11. http://www.allwords.com/word-electroacoustics.html
12. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/8d4636238add0699.html
13. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/029597088X/103-1121533-5528661?v=glance
14. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1932133631/ref=pd_sxp_elt_11/102-4220749-4502528
15. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750617411/102-4220749-4502528
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17. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/5bd404f42b0b70cd.html
18. http://www.constructionbook.com/xq/ASP/ProductID.3865/id.402/subID.660/qx/default2.htm
19. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/c456659deb7ccd36a19afeb4da09e526.html
20. http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6119915
21. http://www.constructionbook.com/xq/ASP/ProductID.147/id.454/subID.494/qx/default2.htm
22. http://www.newscientist.com/channel/mech-tech/mg18624931.000
23. http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff12082004.html
24. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/14bbfd82b96449f7.html
25. http://www.muthusrinivasan.g3z.com/i.html
26. http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
27. http://www.kempinstruments.com
28. http://www.systron.com
29. http://www.tucker.com
30. http://oragenics.com/product_probiotics.php
31. http://www.oragenics.com
32. http://www.cs.usu.edu/~degaris
33. http://clowder.net/hop/tetships/tetships.html
34. http://www.carlton-bates.com
35. http://www.rittal-corp.com
36. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23167
37. http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php
38. http://www.constitution.org/mil/ok/mil_usok.htm
39. http://members.aol.com/Jainster/Quotes/thomas_jefferson_quotes.html
40. http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/
41. http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeffcont.htm
42. http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Thomas_Jefferson
43. http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/jefferson.htm
44. http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/GravityMotors/photos/index.html
45. http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/GravityMotors/BurtRutan/index.html
46. http://www.amazingpatents.com
47. http://www.emcohighvoltage.com/
48. http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_info/glossary.html
49. http://web4.automationdirect.com/adc/Home/Home
50. http://spaceweather.com/aurora/gallery_01mar05.htm
51. http://www.auroralchorus.com/natradio.htm
52. http://www.auroralchorus.com/wr3gde.htm#when
53. http://spaceweather.com/glossary/inspire.html
54. http://www.northcountryradio.com
55. http://www.dolphinear.com
56. http://www.lubell.com/
57. http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jos/jospubs.html
58. http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~unski/FreqW.html
59. http://www.faqs.org/docs/sp/sp-60.html
60. http://www.temcor.com
61. http://www.novalynx.com
62. http://www.intent.com
63. http://www.healthresearchbooks.com
64. http://www.ecmweb.com
65. http://www.schroff.us/home.asp
66. http://www.dewamerica.com/products/
67. http://www.tenspeed.com/catalog/posters/item.php3?id=1947
68. http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/4264
69. http://www.ramshornjournal.com/Seeds.html
70. http://www.americandissent.net/
71. http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/12-06-99/vo15no25_dissent.htm
72. http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/cat_index_63.shtml
73. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/5a78fcd492020e7a.html
74. http://142.179.222.23/main.html
75. http://arocket.mid-south.net/arocket1/
76. http://www.imaginaryplanet.net/weblogs/asiafirst/assets/testfirewall.html
77. http://www.queensryche.com/releases/operation-mindcrime/lyrics/03-revolution-calling.html
78. http://www.lunarsight.com/glossary.htm
79. http://www.scienceforums.net/forums/printthread.php?t=5891
80. http://store.yahoo.com/wickedcoolstuff/underdog.html
81. http://www.lotusland.org/
82. http://www.coralcastle.com/
83. http://astro-med.com
84. http://newenergymovement.org/
85. http://radio4all.org/ (This weblink, and the following weblink do not work.
I don't know why they don't work, and it pisses me off. The key phrase
sentence, for any search engine is: The micro radio movement.)
86. http://radio4all.org/fp/micro.htm (This weblink does not work. I don't
know why in the hell that it does not work, but it doesn't, and it pisses me
off. The key phrase sentence, for any search engine is: The micro radio
movement.)
87. http://www.cyberresearch.com
88. http://westerngraphtec.com
89. http://bob2641.tripod.com/physics.html
90. http://www.heretical.com/British/mindbend/broad (This website doesn't
go to the same webpage that I originally intended for it to go to, but I
am going to leave it here anyway.)
100. http://www.google.com/search?orthomolecular+oklahoma (This weblink
takes you to Google, with a list of websites, regarding orthomolecular
topics, it is one of many weblinks that has been given to me, and I would
like to include many of the other weblinks too, but I have just run out of time
to be able to do so, this time around.)
101. http://singtech.com
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 14:52:58 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Thu Apr 14 14:53:06 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050414215258.37926.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
1.) I agree with you your question about degree...
2.) as to wind power... well, I know that certain
areas in the country can provide quite a bit of power.
The folks I've talked to, and the places I've visited
that use wind power, usually use either a stack of
fancy car batteries, a set of heavy-duty marine
batteries, or (in 1 case) a D-I-Y fuel cell.
3.) the justice and prison system (and I'll include
the american educational system as a part of it) seems
to teach the message of "get the best possible
lawyer." few states actually set up laws to watch out
for kids, stop the baddies from doing evil, etc.
(great, now I sound like a comic book!)
I am always willing to indulge in extra madness... as
long I I can stay within my wife's guidelines (she's a
wetware programmer)
Bob
--- javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> We may argue about what degree, but nothing's
> perfict.
> I live on Solar power, but use a generator every
day as backup.
> And I am convinced that half the folks talking
> about wind are lying
> through their teeth. I just don't know which half,
> nor what they use
> for batteries!
> Prisons are to keep honest people honest, and
> keep bad people out of
> the honest people's hair.
>
> Usually, the system works.
> What, you mean this isn't mad politicians? Why
> should we confine
> our madness to only one corner of our lives???
>
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 15:03:36 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Apr 14 15:03:44 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050414220336.77310.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
I'll have to look into osmotic turbines.
I've never heard of that type of turbine
before.
I'd like to build a small scale, redundant,
gas turbine powerplant, but I don't know
how I would accomplish it, with all of the
endlessly expensive fascist communist
red tape, of building permits/zoning
permits, and building codes, electrical
codes, etc. for this residential fascist
commune 'park' area, in which I am
forced to have to live, not to mention the
outlandish expense of maintaining the
powerplant facility, and purchasing and
maintaining the redundant turbines, and
other redundant power control and
power monitoring equipment.
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> Well, there is the category of political science too!
> Although I can't say that I am versed at all, in
> politics.
> I guess I will go ahead and send the massive list
> of weblinks, after this e-mail, even though I cannot
> bring it to a better completion, than what it is
> presently at.
What we ought to do, Clyde, is to post the political aspects
somewhere else. Besides, the'yll probably last longer elsewhere as web
pages than the transience of e-mail.
We really ought to be discussing camel robots, energy sources, etc.
a bit more than mere politics. I mean, physics is more real than
politics.
I still want to know if I can build an osmotic turbine... and how
large it is going to have to be to get few watts out of it.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 22:15:24 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Apr 14 15:15:27 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
In-Reply-To: <20050414220336.77310.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 14, 2005 03:03:36 PM
Message-ID: <20050414221524.47024.qmail@mall-net.com>
(Do try to fix your quoting so we can better see who said what. I
realize this may be difficult on a public machine. Your occasional use
of upper case only does help, even if not great.)
> > I'll have to look into osmotic turbines.
> I've never heard of that type of turbine
> before.
I was joking. Another perpetual energy scheme.
> I'd like to build a small scale, redundant,
> gas turbine powerplant, but I don't know
> how I would accomplish it, with all of the
By and large, the cost of electric power from the lines is cheaper
and more reliable than what you can generate. I am on solar plus
generators, and I hate it! Payback on solar tends to be six to twelve
years, unless you are unable to get a local utility. I'm about four
miles from the power lines.
> endlessly expensive fascist communist
> red tape, of building permits/zoning
> permits, and building codes, electrical
> codes, etc. for this residential fascist
> commune 'park' area, in which I am
Well, most folks don't want the exhaust gasses. I can't say as I
blame them. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you... but
when there are too many others, yes, it gets burro-cratic.
The scale you'd need to make it cheaper would require a lot of
financing, etc. and since you hate money, they'd not likely want you in
charge of investing their money; they'd want someone who's had a lot
more experience than you or I in running a business. (And I've run
several. Not what I'm really good at!)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 15:18:05 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Apr 14 15:18:22 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I want to work for radio station: W.W.V.,
in Fort Collins.
Message-ID: <20050414221805.93171.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
I want to work for radio staion: W.W.V., in
Fort Collins; The only problem: I would need
an infinite overdose of painkillers, to cope
with social stress, around others.
I have become very isolative.
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Apr 14 18:52:52 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Thu Apr 14 15:53:04 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: More various topics.
Message-ID:
In a message dated 4/13/2005 7:16:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
javilk@mall-net.com writes:
> Also, I read in a book about Nikola Tesla one time, that he invented a
ways and means
> to extract nitrogen from the atmosphere, to use, for fertilization of the
earth ground,
> for farming.
Seems like only yesterday, I a youngster in North Carolina, met a woman who
invited me and friends to her farm. We arrived and spent a wonderful week
with this commune that raised all their own food. Wandering about one day I
happened on a field covered inside corn plants with huge pot trees, some of them
10 foot in height. Later that day I asked my new friend how she grew these
plants so big and healthy. she told me she used the pig manure as it was high in
nitrogen and Pot plants thrive on it.
> The dust level in this fucking house is nonsense, yet there is nothing
that I can
> do about it, to correct the problem, because of the bullshit of money.
Easy to fix, get an old sock, immerse in water, run the sock over all
surfaces covered with dust, rinse in clean water when sock becomes to black to see
the actual color of sock. Dust will be gone without any harmful chemicals
added to the living space. Repeat once a week and problem solved.
> It is easy for me to jump the gun on many things, because of my screwed up
neurology
> and also due to the wanting time to pass, far faster than what it does in
certain
> circumstances, to blast past all of life's endless bullshit.
My old Boss, a Hindi from Kenya turned 60, when I wished this amazing man
Happy Birthday, he looked at me in such a sad way. Vesta, he said, what is to be
happy about a birthday, I am just a year closer to my death.
Each day you live, regardless of the pain or sorrow, this is a gift that
most of us do not deserve. Use each hour wisely, it will never come again.
My regards, Vesta
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 23:16:04 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Apr 14 16:16:07 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
In-Reply-To: <20050414215258.37926.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at Apr 14, 2005 02:52:58 PM
Message-ID: <20050414231604.87477.qmail@mall-net.com>
> 2.) as to wind power... well, I know that certain
> areas in the country can provide quite a bit of power.
> The folks I've talked to, and the places I've visited
> that use wind power, usually use either a stack of
> fancy car batteries, a set of heavy-duty marine
> batteries, or (in 1 case) a D-I-Y fuel cell.
I hear the locals, (my being off grid) all talk about how nice
their wind power is. Yet on most days when I am putting out solar, I
don't see their windmills turning fast enough to generate anything. And
they all speak of wind season, soooo.... ah, unless they have something
more than golf cart batteries like mine... I don't think it gives them
as much of a return on investment as my solar panels.
> 3.) the justice and prison system (and I'll include
> the american educational system as a part of it) seems
> to teach the message of "get the best possible
> lawyer." few states actually set up laws to watch out
> for kids, stop the baddies from doing evil, etc.
> (great, now I sound like a comic book!)
Yep. The best education a criminal can get is to go to jail. When
they graduate, they are so much better at it.
> I am always willing to indulge in extra madness... as
> long I I can stay within my wife's guidelines (she's a
> wetware programmer)
Ah... I had one of them once. But after she tried to cancel me a
few times, I escaped. (Long story, short marriage. Fortunately, she
was as inept at homicide as everything else she tried. Put up a good
act, though.)
I keep wondering, the transport of ions being important to electric
generation, if there isn't some means of harnessing the movement of ions
in water. There was an interesting piece on some ham web site about a
guy who harnessed the wind using long wires and a spark coil to charge a
battery; but I dont' think he was really getting much in the way of
current, just a couple of hours of LED light a day. And everyone reamed
him that it wasn't possible at all. I think what he was really doing,
was revitalizing or desulphating (and draining) the battery with the
sharp spikes of power.
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Apr 14 20:03:27 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Thu Apr 14 17:03:39 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
Message-ID: <86.261552b5.2f905ecf@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/14/2005 5:15:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
javilk@mall-net.com writes:
Prisons are to keep honest people honest, and keep bad people out of
the honest people's hair.
Criminal science is interesting. What is a criminal ? At one time England
had to place 20 lb. bags of sand on criminals ankles to hang them for the
theft of a loaf of bread. Why the sand bags ? The criminals were only 30 lb.
children who stole bread or what not as they had no one to feed them.
The Hugnots (spelling?) of France, the French who refused to acknowledge the
Pope, had their legs broken with boards before they were hanged. Criminals
all of them, right?
American Criminals, in the beginning anyone who went and marched to
their own drummer was a criminal. Salem Witches, Ha, The church wanted their
property best way to get it was to go along with the crazy girls that started
the whole thing.
O.K. closer to home, how about the 50ies witch hunt for communists. The
black lists that destroyed lives and reputation to expose these criminals who
were within their American rights to join any political party they chose ? A
black time in America, that's for sure.
Want to get closer to our time, Nixon with his list of anti-American orgs.
Boy and Girl scouts of America !!
Today, Grammy is 82, has suffered pain from all the ailments of ageing.
Grand kid introduces her to Pot. Granny, who does not want to be placed in the
hell hole of nursing home plants a few seed in window pot and grows her own
medication that allows he to live in her own home and function as a much
younger person. She finds she can now live without pain or disability without the
expensive RX meds. Because she is not spending three quarters of her income
on RX she now has more money for food and heat in the winter.
Here comes the kicker. Are you ready, Granny has worked her ass off all
these years, never spent money for vacations, always drove the cheapest car she
could buy, worked 10 hours a day to send her two children to college. She
has a modest bank amount for all her years of working for her kids future. Her
parents left her stock she never touched, worth 500,000
Now Granny is really feeling good, her head is clearer then it ever has
been, lack of pain causes her to begin to pay attention to things more. She
begins to see that her kids are never around, before she was in pain and Drs. RX
didn't help. Now her new home grown has given her, her life back, she revises
her out look on things.
Granny calls her Att. to change her will. She tells her grand kid who made
such a change in her life. This kid goes home, has a fight with parents and
tells them that he, not them will inherit. Parent, Grammys child heads right
off to visit mother, sees pot plants.
At 2 a.m. next morning swart team blasts in on Grammy, seize the pot plants.
Grammy ends life in nursing home 6 months later. The charges of
manufacturing drugs was dropped due to Grammy not being able to attend court as she was
dead. But Grammy died a criminal, by law in the good old USA..
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 17:26:36 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Thu Apr 14 17:26:48 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050415002637.53092.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com>
2.) My wife has family in the white mountains, and up
coastal maine. They get wind all the time. other areas
don't quite get that 10-15 kt breeze. some areas off
cape cod get something like 40 kt on a regular basis.
I figure that some combination of the two would work
well.
3.) most criminals don't seem to be learning the
lessons. (maybe there needs to be rememdial classes in
crime?) Vachss called the process "life sentence on
the installment program." (they commit a crime, get
caught, go to jail, get out, repeat.) Got to be a
better way.
sorry to hear they someone tried to punch your ticket.
I've been with my wife for 16 years. classy lady from
wellesley college.
Bob
--- javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > 2.)
> I hear the locals, (my being off grid) all
> talk about how nice their wind power is. Yet on
most days when I am putting out solar, I don't see
their windmills turning fast enough to generate
anything. And they all speak of wind season,
soooo.... ah, unless they have something more than
golf cart batteries like mine... I don't think it
gives them as much of a return on investment as my
solar
> panels.
>
> > 3.) Yep. The best education a criminal can
get is
> to go to jail. When they graduate, they are so much
better at it.
>
> Ah... I had one of them once. But after she
> tried to cancel me a few times, I escaped. (Long
story, short marriage. Fortunately, she was as inept
at homicide as everything else she tried. Put up a
good act, though.)
>
> I keep wondering, the transport of ions being
important to electric generation, if there isn't some
means of harnessing the movement of ions in water.
There was an interesting piece on some ham web site
about a guy who harnessed the wind using long wires
and a spark coil to charge a battery; but I dont'
think he was really getting
> much in the way of current, just a couple of hours
of LED light a day. And everyone reamed him that it
wasn't possible at all. I think what he
> was really doing, was revitalizing or desulphating
(and draining) the
> battery with the sharp spikes of power.
>
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 17:29:40 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Thu Apr 14 17:29:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050415002940.40938.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com>
By definition, a criminal is someone who is breaking
the law. those that make the laws - with all the
suffering these laws cause - are, of course, the
opposite of criminals.
tired bob
--- Vesta111@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 4/14/2005 5:15:28 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,
> javilk@mall-net.com writes:
>
> Prisons are to keep honest people honest, and keep
> bad people out of
> the honest people's hair.
>
>
> Criminal science is interesting. What is a criminal
> ? At one time England
> had to place 20 lb. bags of sand on criminals ankles
> to hang them for the
> theft of a loaf of bread. Why the sand bags ? The
> criminals were only 30 lb.
> children who stole bread or what not as they had no
> one to feed them.
>
> The Hugnots (spelling?) of France, the French who
> refused to acknowledge the
> Pope, had their legs broken with boards before they
> were hanged. Criminals
> all of them, right?
>
> American Criminals, in the beginning anyone who
> went and marched to
> their own drummer was a criminal. Salem Witches, Ha,
> The church wanted their
> property best way to get it was to go along with the
> crazy girls that started
> the whole thing.
>
> O.K. closer to home, how about the 50ies witch hunt
> for communists. The
> black lists that destroyed lives and reputation to
> expose these criminals who
> were within their American rights to join any
> political party they chose ? A
> black time in America, that's for sure.
>
> Want to get closer to our time, Nixon with his list
> of anti-American orgs.
> Boy and Girl scouts of America !!
>
> Today, Grammy is 82, has suffered pain from all the
> ailments of ageing.
> Grand kid introduces her to Pot. Granny, who does
> not want to be placed in the
> hell hole of nursing home plants a few seed in
> window pot and grows her own
> medication that allows he to live in her own home
> and function as a much
> younger person. She finds she can now live without
> pain or disability without the
> expensive RX meds. Because she is not spending three
> quarters of her income
> on RX she now has more money for food and heat in
> the winter.
>
> Here comes the kicker. Are you ready, Granny has
> worked her ass off all
> these years, never spent money for vacations, always
> drove the cheapest car she
> could buy, worked 10 hours a day to send her two
> children to college. She
> has a modest bank amount for all her years of
> working for her kids future. Her
> parents left her stock she never touched, worth
> 500,000
>
> Now Granny is really feeling good, her head is
> clearer then it ever has
> been, lack of pain causes her to begin to pay
> attention to things more. She
> begins to see that her kids are never around, before
> she was in pain and Drs. RX
> didn't help. Now her new home grown has given her,
> her life back, she revises
> her out look on things.
>
> Granny calls her Att. to change her will. She tells
> her grand kid who made
> such a change in her life. This kid goes home, has a
> fight with parents and
> tells them that he, not them will inherit. Parent,
> Grammys child heads right
> off to visit mother, sees pot plants.
>
> At 2 a.m. next morning swart team blasts in on
> Grammy, seize the pot plants.
> Grammy ends life in nursing home 6 months later. The
> charges of
> manufacturing drugs was dropped due to Grammy not
> being able to attend court as she was
> dead. But Grammy died a criminal, by law in the
> good old USA..
>
>
> To know someone well, you must see what makes make
> them angry.
> > _______________________________________________
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 17:35:55 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Thu Apr 14 17:36:03 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this
In-Reply-To: 6667
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javilk,
1.) using concentrator mirrors to trick the PV panel
into "thinking" the sun was stronger than it actually
is, might save some initial outlay for the solar
panels. the problem would be that the concentrator
mirrors would also focus heat. running a thin aquarium
of some sort in between the PV panel and the input of
the concentrated rays could act as a water heater/PV
heatshield.
2.) the gas turbine could have the exhaust forced
through a "water pipe." this could take the carbon
monoxide, mix it with the water, and have hydrogen to
use as power, blimp lifting gas, toys for lab
assistants, etc. the nasty water left over could be
used as feed stock for other experiments.
Bob
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Apr 14 17:39:38 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Expanded) Thinking about packing up,
very minimally, and moving to Fort Collins Colorado.
Message-ID: <20050415003930.32844.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
This perpetual half assed shitty city,
built formerly on a black hole, now
built on a permanent sinkhole, with
a permanent crutch (foreign oil,) to
support its crap ass infrastructure:
http://www.osu-ours.okstate.edu/report01/tulsa/aerialview.jpg
I no longer love this city.
Clyde
I am thinking about packing up, very
minimally, and moving to Fort Collins
Colorado, and living there, and leaving
the majority of my belongings behind.
I am sick of this dumbass fascist
corporate state, of Oklahoma; and Tulsa is
built also, on an economic and financial
sinkhole.
This city, and OKC are both rundown cities.
This city has one World Trade Tower, built
by the same engineer who built the twin
towers, in NYC.
If Stan Deyo's thoughts about the future
might hold accurate, then the Williams
Center Tower (Tulsa's lone world trade
tower,) will be a future ghost tower, and
the people of this dumbass city will have
flocked to the suburbs, and to the
outskirts, of this old, cursed, petroleum
oil empire.
I have lost my respect for this fucking
city on a sinkhole.
Clyde
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From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Thu Apr 14 19:09:04 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] FW: Liberator Online: Is Beetle Bailey's pal a
libertarian?
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In This Issue:
Beetle Bailey's pal stands up for self-government..... U.S. Rep. Ron Paul's
sizzling speech in Congress denouncing the Iraq War..... Time to pull the
plug on PBS..... Congratulations to Lights of Liberty award winners!.....
Michael Cloud on "Four Minutes to Better Libertarian Conversations".....
Mary Ruwart is asked how we can protect children from offensive material in
a libertarian society, and if speaking out for liberty is worth all the
trouble..... Harry Browne's Soundbites for Liberty: government "solutions"
to social problems, what about the poor, and the issue of greed.....
All this and *much much more* in the world's largest-circulation libertarian
publication...
THE LIBERATOR ONLINE
April 13, 2005
Vol. 10, No. 7
Circulation: 68,777 subscribers in over 100 countries
Published by the Advocates for Self-Government
Edited by James W. Harris, mailto:james@TheAdvocates.org
Created by Paul Schmidt and James W. Harris
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CONTENTS
PRESIDENT'S CORNER
* Lights of Liberty Award winners
* Grassroots rebellion against Patriot Act keeps growing
* Liberator Online readers thanked for protesting Drug War abuses
WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE ADVOCATES
* News and exciting opportunities for libertarians!
GOOD NEWS, BAD NEWS, UNBELIEVABLE NEWS
* Is Beetle Bailey's Pal a Libertarian?
* Pull the Plug on PBS
* Congressman Ron Paul Denounces Iraq War
* "No nation could preserve its freedom..."
PERSUASION POWER POINT # 178
* Four Minutes to Better Libertarian Conversations
by Michael Cloud
ASK DR. RUWART
* How can we protect our children without government censorship?
* Is spreading libertarian ideas worth the trouble?
HARRY BROWNE'S SOUNDBITES FOR LIBERTY
* Solving social problems
* What about the poor?
* Greed
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PRESIDENT'S CORNER
Dear friends,
Please join me in congratulating the winners of the Advocates for
Self-Government's 2004 Lights of Liberty awards!
We give these awards annually to all libertarians who accomplished any one
of these three vital outreach activities during the calendar year:
* 3 or more published letters to the editor
* 3 or more speeches
* 3 or more Operation Politically Homeless (OPH) booths
These are exactly the kinds of grassroots activities that are vital for any
political movement to grow. And our winners took the message of liberty to
literally millions of people in 2004.
Many of the winners went far beyond the minimum requirement for the awards.
No less than 14 libertarians even won what has been dubbed the "Libertarian
Triathlon" -- winning awards in all three categories. Wow!
And special acknowledgment to the amazing Jim Lark. This is the fifth year
in a row that Dr. Lark has won Lights of Liberty awards -- in all three
categories! He serves on the Advocates Board of Directors, on the
Libertarian Party National Committee, and does much more vital work for
liberty -- in addition to being a college professor -- yet still also finds
time to do the outreach activities that qualify for the Lights of Liberty
awards. He's an inspiration for all of us.
I hope you'll check out the names of all our winners. Your friends and
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If you know any of them, please give them your congratulations and thanks.
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* * *
Update # 1:
Last issue I wrote:
"Fully 375 communities in 43 states, including the state legislatures of
Alaska, Hawaii, Vermont and Maine, have now passed pro-civil liberties
resolutions. Most of the resolutions call on Congress to bring the Patriot
Act back in line with the Constitution. In total, these communities
represent approximately 56.2 million people. That's a genuine grassroots
rebellion against too-big, too-intrusive government."
In the two weeks since then, that number has risen dramatically -- to
include another full state. A bi-partisan coalition of Montana legislators
overwhelmingly passed what Democrat senator Jim Elliott proudly said is "the
strongest statement against the constitutional violations of the Patriot Act
of any state and almost every city or county."
The latest total is five states and 373 counties -- representing a total of
57,009,591 people!
If you want to learn more about all this, I recommend the Bill of Rights
Defense Committee Web site:
http://www.bordc.org/index.html
* * *
Update # 2:
Also last issue, we reported on the outrageous mistreatment of customers of
a licensed, legal nightclub in Flint, Michigan. They happened to be there
during a drug bust -- and, despite the fact they weren't using or carrying
drugs, they were ticketed and charged with "frequenting a drug
establishment," a misdemeanor offense carrying penalties of up to 90 days in
jail and a $500 fine.
We mentioned that the Drug Policy Alliance had created a Web site where
those who object to this behavior could send an email to the Flint city
council and politely suggest to them that going out to dance should not be
viewed as criminal behavior.
Apparently many of you did just that. We received an email from the Drug
Policy Alliance:
"It's great to hear that you spread the word about what happened in Michigan
-- thanks so much! This is so outrageous, and the more people who know about
it the better. Close to 3,700 people now have taken action on this, and I'm
sure your newsletter played an important role in that!"
You can still send a letter to Flint officials -- or learn more about the
excellent work of DPA -- at:
http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=25203-ip
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GOOD NEWS, BAD NEWS, UNBELIEVABLE NEWS
by James W. Harris
Is Beetle Bailey's Pal a Libertarian?
The Sunday, April 3 edition of "Beetle Bailey," the world-renowned comic
strip by Mort Walker, was a considerable departure from the strip's usual
fare.
It begins with Plato, Beetle Bailey's brainy philosophically-inclined G.I.
buddy, asking Beetle: "Can I borrow another marker from you?"
"Sure," says Beetle, handing him a marker pen. Beetle then watches as Plato
goes from one wall to another, scribbling out a graffiti-style manifesto
that could have come right out of Ayn Rand or Ludwig von Mises:
"Communism failed because it was against human nature. People want to be
rewarded for their work. They want to *own* what they *earn*.
"You can call it selfish if you want, but "self" is the center of the
universe. Even giving voluntarily to others is "selfish" in a way because
you "get" a good feeling in return.
"Dictators take power promising to help the people but soon are only helping
themselves. There's a bit of the dictator even among elected officials who
use their powers for their own interests.
"Maybe the best system is to keep turning our officials *over* before they
turn on *you*. Too long in power allows too many opportunities for
corruption.
"People are more productive with fewer laws and restrictions. Even good laws
have flaws and room should be left for exceptions, because everyone is
different with individual needs."
Suddenly gruff old Sarge interrupts Plato.
"Are you through?!" Sarge growls.
Unfazed, Plato responds:
"Well, there are several walls left, and I'm still on a role."
Let's hope so!
(Source: "Beetle Bailey," April 3 2005. See the strip here:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/beetlebailey.asp?date=20050403 )
* * *
Pull the Plug on PBS
"The Public Broadcasting Service [PBS] is collapsing of its own weight.
While PBS executives and Washington politicians wring their hands over the
network's inevitable demise, we believe there is a simple solution. Let it
collapse.
"Last week PBS President Pat Mitchell lobbied Congress for more money,
and Republicans on Capitol Hill floated ideas for keeping the increasingly
irrelevant corporation alive. No one seems to be asking this simple
question: In a world in which 85 percent of Americans pay for either cable
or satellite television, and with educational videos available in shopping
malls and Wal-Marts nationwide, what possible justification can there be for
a publicly subsidized television network?
"Every excuse for forcing Americans to pay for a television network has been
exhausted. Educational and arts programs are widely available elsewhere.
C-SPAN does a better job of informing Americans about government than PBS
ever dreamed of doing. PBS news shows are drowned out by a cacophony of
competitors who deliver news as well or better. What's left? Reruns of
British sitcoms? Simply put, PBS has no mission that cannot be realized
either in the for-profit sector or by converting the network to a private
non-profit foundation."
-- New Hampshire Union-Leader editorial, February 22, 2005.
(Source: editorial archived [for-pay access only] at:
http://www.theunionleader.com/ )
* * *
U.S. Congressman Ron Paul: "Who's Better Off?"
(The following is excerpted from a much longer speech delivered before the
U.S. House of Representatives on April 6 by the great libertarian
Congressman Ron Paul, R-TX.)
Whenever the administration is challenged regarding the success of the Iraq
war, or regarding the false information used to justify the war, the retort
is: "Aren't the people of Iraq better off?" The insinuation is that anyone
who expresses any reservations about supporting the war is an apologist for
Saddam Hussein and every ruthless act he ever committed.
How much better off are the Iraqi people? Hundreds of thousands of former
inhabitants of Fallajah are not better off with their city flattened and
their homes destroyed.
Hundreds of thousands are not better off living with foreign soldiers
patrolling their street, curfews, and the loss of basic utilities.
One hundred thousand dead Iraqis, as estimated by the Lancet Medical
Journal, certainly are not better off.
One question the war promoters don't want to hear asked, because they don't
want to face up to the answer, is this: "Are Christian Iraqis better off
today since we decided to build a new Iraq through force of arms?" The
answer is plainly no.
Sure, there are only 800,000 Christians living in Iraq, but under Saddam
Hussein they were free to practice their religion. Today, the Christian
churches in Iraq are under attack and Christians are no longer safe. Many
Christians have been forced to flee Iraq and migrate to Syria.
But there's another question that is equally important: "Are the American
people better off because of the Iraq war?"
One thing for sure, the 1,500 plus dead American soldiers aren't better off.
The nearly 20,000 severely injured or sickened American troops are not
better off. The families, the wives, the husbands, children, parents, and
friends of those who lost so much are not better off.
The families and the 40,000 troops who were forced to re-enlist against
their will -- a de facto draft -- are not feeling better off. They believe
they have been deceived by their enlistment agreements.
The American taxpayers are not better off having spent over 200 billion
dollars to pursue this war, with billions yet to be spent. The victims of
the inflation that always accompanies a guns-and-butter policy are already
getting a dose of what will become much worse.
Are our relationships with the rest of the world better off? I'd say no.
Because of the war, our alliances with the Europeans are weaker than ever.
The anti-American hatred among a growing number of Muslims around the world
is greater than ever.
This makes terrorist attacks more likely than they were before the invasion.
Al Qaeda recruiting has accelerated. Iraq is being used as a training ground
for al Qaeda terrorists, which it never was under Hussein's rule.
One of the most significant consequences in times of war that we ought to be
concerned about is the inevitable loss of personal liberty. This willingness
to give up hard-fought personal liberties has been especially noticeable in
the atmosphere of the post-September 11th war on terrorism. Security has
replaced liberty as our main political goal, damaging the American spirit.
These attitudes and fears surrounding the 9-11 tragedy, and our eagerness to
go to war in the Middle East against countries not responsible for the
attacks, have allowed a callousness to develop in our national psyche that
justifies torture and rejects due process of law for those who are suspects
and not convicted criminals.
We have come to accept pre-emptive war as necessary, constitutional, and
morally justifiable. Starting a war without a proper declaration is now of
no concern to most Americans or the U.S. Congress.
We have lost our way by rejecting the beliefs that made our country great.
We no longer trust in trade, friendship, peace, the Constitution, and the
principle of neutrality while avoiding entangling alliances with the rest of
the world.
Spreading the message of hope and freedom by setting an example for the
world has been replaced by a belief that use of armed might is the only
practical tool to influence the world -- and we have accepted, as the only
superpower, the principle of initiating war against others.
(Source: You can read the full speech by Congressman Paul at:
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2005/cr040605.htm
You can read more by Congressman Paul at his Web site, Project Freedom:
http://www.house.gov/paul/ )
* * *
"No nation could preserve its freedom..."
"Of all enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded
because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent
of armies; from these proceed debt and taxes. And armies, and debts, and
taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination
of the few.
"In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended. Its
influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and
all the means of seducing the minds are added to those of subduing the force
of the people. The same malignant aspect may be traced in the inequality of
fortunes and the opportunities of fraud growing out of a state of war ...
and in the degeneracy of manners and morals engendered by both.
"No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
-- James Madison (1751-1836), known as "the Father of the Constitution" and
fourth president of the United States (1908-1817), writing in 1795.
* * * * * * * *
"Good News, Bad News, Unbelievable News" is written by Liberator Online
editor James W. Harris. His articles have appeared in numerous magazines and
newspapers, and he has been a Finalist for the Mencken Award, given by the
Free Press Association for "Outstanding Journalism in Support of Liberty."
_____________________________________
PERSUASION POWER POINT # 178
Four Minutes to Better Libertarian Conversations
by Michael Cloud
You just had a lively political conversation with a non-libertarian.
You made some good points, but you blew a few. Even a few really obvious
things.
Later, you think of what you could have said. What you should have said. If
only you had thought of this during the conversation. If only you had said
that.
And it bothers you.
How many times has that happened to you? A dozen times? A hundred?
It happens to every libertarian. Scholars. Writers. Spokespeople.
Candidates.
You can radically reduce the number of times you make these kinds of
mistakes.
You're only four minutes from better libertarian conversations.
Where do we find the solution?
Football.
Professional football coaching staffs videotape their games. Every play.
Wide shots and close ups.
Afterwards, they carefully review every play -- and every player's
performance.
They identify and note what each player did right and what he did wrong.
They show each player what he did well. His best plays and performance. They
"catch him doing something right." And they show him when he did something
wrong.
But when they go over the errors and blown assignments with a play, they
point out what he should have done instead.
They have him mentally practice the move he should have made. Later, they
physically practice.
They don't beat him down with, "If only you had done this, we would have
scored," or, "If only you'd have done that, we would have won."
"If only" creates frustration and guilt and regret. "If only" holds you
back.
So football coaching staffs focus on "next time." Next time creates
possibility and progress. Improvement.
"Next time, do it this way." "Next time, do it that way."
This is one reason why professional football players consistently perform
well. Why they excel.
Here's how to use this approach with your conversations with
non-libertarians.
1. Review what you said and how you said it.
2. Identify what you did right and wrong. What you did well and what you did
poorly. What you did say and what you didn't.
3. Focus on successes first. "Catch yourself doing something right," as The
One Minute Manager advises. Acknowledge yourself for doing it. Let yourself
feel good about it. Write your successes down.
4. Then go over what you said wrong, what you said poorly, and what you
failed to say. Write them down.
5. Next to each error, write down a better answer or statement. The one you
wish you had thought of during the conversation. Better yet, write down 2 or
3 better answers.
6. Rehearse the answer aloud. Several times. Say it with feeling. Say it the
way that you want to say it -- next time. Because there will be a next time.
And you will be ready.
How long does it take to review your conversational "game films," and carry
out the 6 steps.
Just 4 minutes. It's fast, easy, and fun. And it works.
Try it. You'll feel better and do better in all your libertarian
conversations.
******************
Michael Cloud was voted the Most Persuasive Libertarian Communicator in
America and honored with the Thomas Paine Award at the Libertarian Party
national
convention in July 2000.
Michael is author of the acclaimed new book "Secrets of Libertarian
Persuasion" available exclusively from the Advocates.
http://www.theadvocates.org/Merchant2/merchant.mv
____________________________________
ASK DR. RUWART
Dr. Mary Ruwart is a leading expert in libertarian communication. In this
column she gives readers "short answers to the tough questions" that
libertarians are frequently asked.
Dr. Ruwart's past Liberator Online answers are archived in searchable form
at: http://www.TheAdvocates.org/ruwart/categories_list.php
* * *
How can we protect our children without government censorship?
Question:
"Without censorship, how can a libertarian society ensure decency in
broadcasting and publishing? How can we protect our children fromsmut
without censorship?"
My short answer:
"In a libertarian society, parents could limit their children's access to
'family-oriented' stations and bookstores. In my community, broadcasters
attract a loyal following by promising parents that both programming and
advertising are wholesome. I'd anticipate that the number of such stations
and bookstores would increase in a libertarian society because parents like
yourself would create a strong market.
"My parents used such monitoring to limit our exposure to violence, which my
parents considered more pornographic than sex. Their success, in a culture
where violence in media is so pervasive, was partially due to producers,
such as Disney, who dedicated themselves to wholesome entertainment.
Parental guidance succeeds even when the culture itself sets no limits.
"In a libertarian world of school choice and greater prosperity, parents
will also have far more ability to choose schools that closely reflect and
protect their values -- or more opportunities to pursue homeschooling.
"As you probably know, when we ask our government to censor what our
children see, they soon try to censor what *we* see -- always for our own
good, of course!"
* * *
Is spreading libertarian ideas worth the trouble?
Question:
"I recently called a talk show to discuss a deceptive local government
program, and I was surprised to receive a cool response from the host. He
said I was too 'negative.' Similarly, an old friend of mine published an
article criticizing the government, and he received all sorts of hostility
-- in his words, he was 'battered.' Is it worth receiving this sort of
hostility for arguably little or no gain?"
My short answer:
"Only you can decide if the gain is worth the pain.
"One of my favorite quotes on this subject comes from the German philosopher
Arthur Schopenhauer, who famously said:
'All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Secondly, it
is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.'
"It sounds as if you are getting the 'violently opposed' feedback.
"Most of us have to hear things several times before we can really
appreciate them. Your efforts, even if spurned, clear the way for the next
libertarian spokesperson."
"And also remember, every effort you make to effectively communicate
libertarian ideas gives you a chance to sharpen your skills and make your
future efforts more successful."
* * * * * * * * * * * * *
Got questions? Dr. Ruwart has answers! If you'd like answers to YOUR "tough
questions" on libertarian issues, just email to Dr. Ruwart at:
mailto:ruwart@theAdvocates.org
Due to volume, Dr. Ruwart can't personally acknowledge all emails. But we'll
run the best questions and answers in upcoming issues.
Dr. Ruwart's outstanding books "Healing Our World" and "Short Answers to the
Tough Questions" are available from the Advocates:
http://www.TheAdvocates.org/Merchant2/merchant.mv
_____________________________________
HARRY BROWNE'S SOUNDBITES FOR LIBERTY
During his two Libertarian Party presidential campaigns (1996 and 2000),
Harry Browne created hundreds of "soundbites" -- short, pithy, and highly
memorable answers to the questions libertarians are most frequently asked by
the media and the public. In each issue we'll be sharing some of the best
and most relevant. Enjoy -- and put them to use for liberty!
* * *
Solving social problems:
"Social reformers and crime-busters try to explain away the destruction of
our freedom and civil liberties by saying these losses are the price we pay
to create a better world, a better nation, or a better community. 'After
all, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.' But, somehow,
it's always someone else's eggs that get broken -- never theirs. And the
omelet never materializes -- only cracked shells and broken lives."
* * *
What about the poor:
"What will happen to the poor in a free society? They will finally be taken
care of.
Repealing the income and Social Security taxes will leave a trillion dollars
a year in
the economy that is currently being sucked out by those taxes. That will buy
a job for
everyone who can work, and charity for everyone who can't work."
* * *
Greed:
"Is it greedy to want to keep the money you've earned -- to spend it on your
own children, to secure your own future and retirement so you won't be a
burden on others, to buy a home of your own, to provide your family with the
things that make life more enjoyable? Or is it greedy to want something for
nothing -- to want the government to confiscate money from those who have
earned it and give it to you or to your pet social project? Greed is wanting
the government to force other people to conform to your desires, to outlaw
your competitors, to remake the world in your image because you think you
know more than everyone else."
* * * * * * * * * *
Harry Browne was 1996 and 2000 Libertarian Party presidential candidate. He
is the author of a dozen books that have sold over two million copies,
including three New York Times bestsellers.
Browne's newest book "Liberty A to Z: 872 Libertarian Soundbites You Can Use
Right Now" is a treasury of soundbites like those in this column. It's
published by the Advocates, and you can get it at our Liberty Store:
http://www.theadvocates.org/Merchant2/merchant.mv
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 20:10:47 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Apr 14 20:11:00 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk,
you mentioned the existance of ceramic engines
Message-ID: <20050415031048.75301.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
You mentioned the existance of ceramic engines
in one of your responses, earlier.
I did a web search last week, but came up empty
in my search, in looking to see if ceramic
electric motors exist.
Have you ever known of any ceramic (high efficiency)
electric motors before???
Is there such, in existance???
Hope everyone out there, likes the weblinks that
I posted, although three of the last few, are worthless;
the two microradio links, and the Google link, but I
ran out of time today, to revise that bullshit out
of the list.
I also apologize for my major pessimism too.
I just think that I will never figure out the subject of
financial freedom, in order to carry out all of the
endless hands on projects that I want to accomplish,
and take these mad science dreams and goals to
their absolute limits;
To infinity and beyond!!!
To absolute and beyond!!!
Clyde
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Apr 14 20:27:29 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Expanded) Thinking about packing up,
In-Reply-To: <20050415003930.32844.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 14, 2005 05:39:30 PM
Message-ID: <20050415032728.49172.qmail@mall-net.com>
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>
>
> This perpetual half assed shitty city,
> built formerly on a black hole, now
> built on a permanent sinkhole, with
> a permanent crutch (foreign oil,) to
> support its crap ass infrastructure:
>
> http://www.osu-ours.okstate.edu/report01/tulsa/aerialview.jpg
Looks a little flat... I think I drove through there once. Flat flat
flat flat!
> I am thinking about packing up, very
> minimally, and moving to Fort Collins
> Colorado, and living there, and leaving
> the majority of my belongings behind.
First step is to check the Ft. Collins papers to see what jobs are
available there. Then look for housing and such.
> I am sick of this dumbass fascist
> corporate state, of Oklahoma; and Tulsa is
> built also, on an economic and financial
> sinkhole.
Are you on top of a major sinkhole area? Could you be getting
gasses from the sinkhole?
-javilk- mall-net.com
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 15 04:48:29 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Apr 14 21:48:34 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk,
In-Reply-To: <20050415031048.75301.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 14, 2005 08:10:47 PM
Message-ID: <20050415044830.96395.qmail@mall-net.com>
> You mentioned the existance of ceramic engines
> in one of your responses, earlier.
> I did a web search last week, but came up empty
> in my search, in looking to see if ceramic
> electric motors exist.
> Have you ever known of any ceramic (high efficiency)
> electric motors before???
The ceramic engines I read about were liquid fuel powered (probably
diesel), an attempt by the military to allow an engine to run at a much
higher temperature so as not to have to put half or more of the energy
out the radiator to keep the engine from melting.
The main problem with ceramic engines, aside from the brittleness of
the material, is that if you were to park it in your garage after a run
somewhere, you would set the floorboards of your garage on fire, or
maybe even set the tar under your car in the corporate parking lot on
fire. And if not, then you'd probably come close to passing out when
you entered your garage the next morning from the heat.
> I posted, although three of the last few, are worthless;
> the two microradio links, and the Google link, but I
> ran out of time today, to revise that bullshit out
> of the list.
> I also apologize for my major pessimism too.
Clyde, chemistry runs much of the brain. If you can hold yourself
together and not do anything really stupid, the pessimism may fade as
you get some of the health issues together. It may take a while, but if
you keep looking and keep trying, you'll probably pull through. I've
seen worse... YOU have a brain! Your brain is working! Maybe it's not
poifict, but it's working a hell of a lot better than some of the drunks
and skunks out here!!!
> I just think that I will never figure out the subject of
> financial freedom, in order to carry out all of the
> endless hands on projects that I want to accomplish,
> and take these mad science dreams and goals to
> their absolute limits;
> To infinity and beyond!!!
> To absolute and beyond!!!
There's nothing as inflexible as perfection! tomorrow[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[T[C[C[C[C[C[C[C's needs will
be different, and that perfection will be obsolete. And with that,
you've going to be breaking up the equivalent of steel reinforced
concrete trying to change things just a little bit.
That's why I always design software architectures for maximum
flexibility, not perfection in meeting (soon to be) obsolete goals.
Remember, it takes a lifetime to learn how to live.
And above all, laugh at yourself whenever you can. It's good
physical and mental exercise, it encourages friendships, and it lets
you see yourself from a different point of view.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Apr 15 08:54:31 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Fri Apr 15 05:55:03 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Who loses when environmentalists fight industry in
Congress?
Message-ID: <000201c541ba$450cdac0$6401a8c0@mikey>
Answer- WE do!
A Dirty Little Footnote to the Energy Bill
By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO
Published: April 15, 2005
OODBURY, Conn., April 12 - A freshly painted, six-foot-high steel tank is
this rural town's hope for cleaning up a smelly gasoline additive that is
fouling its water system. The additive, methyl tertiary butyl ether, has
seeped into two of three wells that supply water for 2,000 residents.
Full article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/15/business/15pollute.html?th&emc=th
From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 06:46:52 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Fri Apr 15 06:46:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Who loses when environmentalists fight industry
in Congress?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050415134652.41075.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com>
MTBE and its cousins are one of the reasons I would
prefer to work with ethanol as a fuel. easy to make,
easy to use, easy to clean up. (and the only fuel I
know of, that can be used for parties!)
Bob
--- Michael Best wrote:
> Answer- WE do!
>
>
>
> A Dirty Little Footnote to the Energy Bill
>
> By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO
>
> Published: April 15, 2005
>
> OODBURY, Conn., April 12 - A freshly painted,
> six-foot-high steel tank is
> this rural town's hope for cleaning up a smelly
> gasoline additive that is
> fouling its water system. The additive, methyl
> tertiary butyl ether, has
> seeped into two of three wells that supply water for
> 2,000 residents.
>
> Full article:
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/15/business/15pollute.html?th&emc=th
>
>
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 07:16:09 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Apr 15 07:16:17 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Expanded) Thinking about packing up,
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050415141609.21054.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com>
This perpetual half assed shitty city,
built formerly on a black hole, now
built on a permanent sinkhole, with
a permanent crutch (foreign oil,) to
support its crap ass infrastructure:
http://www.osu-ours.okstate.edu/report01/tulsa/aerialview.jpg
Looks a little flat... I think I drove through there once. Flat flat
flat flat!
THERE ARE SOME HILLS, NORTH OF DOWNTOWN TULSA, BUT MOST OF
THIS CITY, IS FLATLAND!
I am thinking about packing up, very
minimally, and moving to Fort Collins
Colorado, and living there, and leaving
the majority of my belongings behind.
First step is to check the Ft. Collins papers to see what jobs are
available there. Then look for housing and such.
OK!
I am sick of this dumbass fascist
corporate state, of Oklahoma; and Tulsa is
built also, on an economic and financial
sinkhole.
Are you on top of a major sinkhole area? Could you be getting
gasses from the sinkhole?
'SARCASTICALLY': I WOULDN'T DOUBT IT, BUT THIS CITY IS ALSO SO
DAMNED DIRTY TOO!
MY LUNGS ARE NOW PAINFUL, EVERY MORNING THAT I WAKE UP
FROM SLEEP, BUT IT MIGHT BE THE COMBINATION OF BOTH MY
LUNGS AND OF MY HEART.
I FEAR THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE A HEART ATTACK THAT I DIE FROM, BUT
HEART FAILURE INSTEAD.
CLYDE
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Apr 15 12:16:19 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Fri Apr 15 09:16:37 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Slow light
Message-ID: <000601c541d6$75731410$6401a8c0@mikey>
Einstein's Theory of Relativity is based on the postulate that C is a
universal constant, approximately 186,282 miles per second.
So what does the following research have to say about the validity of both
the Special and General theories of Relativity???
http://www.deas.harvard.edu/haulab/
Just as Michaelson's and Morley's experiment provided the "jumping-off
point" for human knowledge to expand beyond Newton, today we have many
empirical observations that can impel us to understanding beyond Einstein
and Schroedinger.
-MB
From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Apr 15 12:40:38 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Fri Apr 15 09:40:57 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] mbest@triad.rr.com PGP public key,
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 15 17:31:50 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Apr 15 10:31:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Slow light
In-Reply-To: <000601c541d6$75731410$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Apr
15, 2005 12:16:19 PM
Message-ID: <20050415173150.80523.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> Einstein's Theory of Relativity is based on the postulate that C is a
> universal constant, approximately 186,282 miles per second.
And it is, in vacuum. But in any other medium there is a
propagation delay. And what I understand not reading the whole site,
but having read some research in Science news a while back, is that SOME
light comes out quickly, but the bulk of it is delayed.
> So what does the following research have to say about the validity of both
> the Special and General theories of Relativity???
Probably not much.
-JVV-
>
> http://www.deas.harvard.edu/haulab/
>
> Just as Michaelson's and Morley's experiment provided the "jumping-off
> point" for human knowledge to expand beyond Newton, today we have many
> empirical observations that can impel us to understanding beyond Einstein
> and Schroedinger.
>
> -MB
>
From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 15 17:44:55 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Apr 15 10:44:57 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Who loses when environmentalists fight industry
In-Reply-To: <20050415134652.41075.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at Apr 15, 2005 06:46:52 AM
Message-ID: <20050415174455.89231.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
>
> MTBE and its cousins are one of the reasons I would
> prefer to work with ethanol as a fuel. easy to make,
> easy to use, easy to clean up. (and the only fuel I
> know of, that can be used for parties!)
MTBE produces formaldehyde on combustion. This would cause me
severe Parkinson's like symptoms, forcing me out of Silicon Valley.
(Parkinson's includes some short term memory loss, then progresses to
the more familiar shuffling gate, slouching to one side, etc.)
But ethanol isn't a win either! It produces substantially more
nitrous oxides, which are a known narcotic type agent. So I didn't get
home free. I still can't spend much time in the valley. Worse, it rises
higher faster than MTBE's combustion products, triggering ozone.
This means that San Martin has the worst air pollution in the SF
Bay area. What's in San Martin? Horses, ranch and farm land, one house
per many, many acres... hardly any roads! Essentially NOTHING!
The bad stuff from San Jose takes time to react in the sun,
drifting out toward San Martin, where it becomes the worst pollution in
the valley. And when the wind blows my way... basically, I have to take
a nap, as I'm not able to walk much, think much, etc. But when the wind
shifts, in half an hour or so I have energy, can jog, etc.
While I'd hope for a hydrogen economy, it isn't going to happen
without massive nuclear power or some really cute invention for
converting solar to hydrogen really, really cheap. Then we'll all be
driving Hindenbergs... But as long as it burns up, rather than down and
spreading, I suppose it's not that bad.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 15 17:46:23 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Apr 15 10:46:26 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Who loses when environmentalists fight
industry in Congress?
In-Reply-To: <000201c541ba$450cdac0$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Apr
15, 2005 08:54:31 AM
Message-ID: <20050415174623.90072.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> Answer- WE do!
>
>
>
> A Dirty Little Footnote to the Energy Bill
>
> By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO
>
> Published: April 15, 2005
>
> OODBURY, Conn., April 12 - A freshly painted, six-foot-high steel tank is
I grew up near there. Was once a nice place before we got too much
populution.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 21:24:25 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Apr 15 21:25:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk.
Message-ID: <20050416042425.90736.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
I have measured, and marked, what I
think are the correct dimensions of
how the spacings of the coils should
be, on the p.v.c. pipe, coil former.
I am at a standstill, wondering if the
end to end length of the p.v.c. former
/coil spacing, should be 11 1/2
inches, or if it should be 12 inches.
Can you let me know what the end
to end length is, of your outer coils,
from end to end???
You mentioned that you used wooden
dowel rods.
What gauge of magnet wire is it, that
you have used???
I can't remember if you originally said
what gauge of magnet wire that you
have used.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Apr 16 05:00:55 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Apr 15 22:00:57 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk.
In-Reply-To: <20050416042425.90736.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 15, 2005 09:24:25 PM
Message-ID: <20050416050055.50978.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I have measured, and marked, what I
> think are the correct dimensions of
> how the spacings of the coils should
> be, on the p.v.c. pipe, coil former.
> I am at a standstill, wondering if the
> end to end length of the p.v.c. former
> /coil spacing, should be 11 1/2
> inches, or if it should be 12 inches.
Well, if you down-sized the coils from 12 inches to 10 inches,
then the top to bottom length should be 10 inches.
It's really not that important, because you will be adjusting the
gain control on your signal generator to produce more variation than the
precision positioning. Heck, I don't recall if a true Helmholtz field
is two hoops spaced the diameter apart, or the radius apart. But I
seemed to have better results with the middle coil added.
Just checked some illustrations on the web, they look like the
coils are supposed to one radius apart, not one diameter apart. Thus
ten inches top to bottom, with one coil in the middle would be correct
for a head sized field. Make sure the current flow of all the coils is
in the same direction. (Swap appropriate leads if not.)
> You mentioned that you used wooden
> dowel rods.
I used them to stabilize the thing and so I could use a middle coil.
Before that, I had six hoops glued together as if they were on the faces
of a cubical box, glued where they met.
The whole thing is quite fragile. Now that I think about it, I
should probably have used a corrugated plastic drain pipe with holes cut
out for my eyes and mouth. It would have been a lot tougher!
The reason we went for this design, is that we were hoping to be
able to sense some hysteresis of the iron in the brain using the side
coils. In fact there were at one point an extra set of coils beyond the
sense coils to allow for nullifying any ambient fields. However, my
equipment proved inadequate for the required sensitivity, so I cut the
extra coils and mounts off to reduce the unwieldiness of the gadget.
> What gauge of magnet wire is it, that
> you have used???
I don't know, I just got a roll of Radio Shack magnet wire. I
believe current is more important than wire gauge.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 10:14:44 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Apr 16 10:15:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: This Fish Oil Saves Your Heart, Brain, More
In-Reply-To:
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Apr 16 17:36:57 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Apr 16 10:36:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: This Fish Oil Saves Your Heart, Brain, More
In-Reply-To: <20050416171444.46623.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 16, 2005 10:14:44 AM
Message-ID: <20050416173657.77481.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Dr. Russell BlaylockImagine a simple fat that is found in nature. It
> costs next to nothing and you need no prescription for it ? yet it is
> considered a miracle panacea. > For centuries, the omega-3 fatty acid
> has played just that role in many societies.
Yep, omega 3 and omega 6 are very important. Dr.'s Rinse and
Passwater discussed that in American Laboratory magazine back in the
early 70's. The FDA was not amused!
> But modern medicine has largely ignored this wonder substance ? even
> though its absence in Western diets has been linked to heart disease,
> stroke, brain diseases like Alzheimer?s and worse yet ? suicidal
> depression.
Funny thing is that cholesterol is important for the brain. People
with low cholesterol tend to be depressed. See, crab meat does not make
crabby people.
> There?s one major ?problem? with Omega-3: It's cheap, easily
> accessible, completely natural and proven to be effective in treating
> an entire spectrum of diseases.
Also check out http://www.PaulingTherapy.com/ This saved my
father's life. From barely able to shuffle from his car to the hospital
main entrance (had to use two nitro patches plus nitro under the
tongue!) to beating the hospital's stress test record in a year and a
half. The cardiologists were amazed! All but one are taking the
treatments themselves, but only one dares prescribe it to patients.
You might also find L-Tryptophan interesting.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 10:48:25 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Apr 16 10:48:33 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I hate to sound radical, but this country needs a
revolution, for certain!!!;
with a large dose of painkillers for all.
Message-ID: <20050416174825.79331.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
I hate to sound radical, but this country needs a
revolution, for certain!!!; with a large dose of painkillers
for all:
This country needs a revolution, with a large limitless
(over)-dose of painkillers for all!
I hate to sound like a radical, but this country needs
a drastic revolution, for certain, with large doses of
painkillers for everyone.
The unravelling of this country is not a fantasy, it is
appearing more and more factual, as time goes by!
And I am far from being the only one who sees this
going on.
The pharma-pseudoscience industries have hijacked
this country's infrastructure just as the petroleum
monopolies, the infernal combustion engine
monopolies, and the electrical power generating
monopolies have also done.
Nutrician, and vitamins are being suppressed from the
masses.
This country needs a revolution, badly!!!
Clyde Lofton
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Apr 16 18:15:16 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Apr 16 11:15:18 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I hate to sound radical,
but this country needs ay
In-Reply-To: <20050416174825.79331.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 16, 2005 10:48:25 AM
Message-ID: <20050416181516.95945.qmail@mall-net.com>
> The pharma-pseudoscience industries have hijacked
> this country's infrastructure just as the petroleum
> monopolies, the infernal combustion engine
> monopolies, and the electrical power generating
> monopolies have also done.
We vote with our dollars every day. What are we voting for? I
think it's mostly convenience.
> This country needs a revolution, badly!!!
Even at the height of the American Revolution, only about 25% of
the population supported independence.
Revolutions are basically inconvenient. Evolution is slower, but
surer. Just think, it took 30 years for computers to take over. Imsai
8080, about 1975. IBM PC, 1982. E-mail, about 1990. Web, about 1996+.
With all the information on the web, vitamins as cures are catching
on among the brighter people despite all the propaganda of the
pharmaceutical interests. Just look at how many times the FDA has
gotten caught with it's pants down in the last few years vs the
pre-internet days when people couldn't find people like themselves.
And how many patients are disputing doctor's diagnoses and
treatments with research from the web. LOTS!
Evolution Is taking place!
The way to revolutionize things, is not radical weaponry, it's
radical facilitation, the creation of convenience to do something via
new technologies. Then let the people do what they wish, what gives
them more value by using the tools you create.
-javilk- mall-net.com
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 11:23:22 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Apr 16 11:23:34 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I hate to sound radical,
but this country needs ay
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050416182322.6399.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
HOW ABOUT THE WORD: CREATIOLUTION, TO
REPLACE THE WORDS; REVOLUTION, EVOLUTION,
AND EVILUTION???
CLYDE
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> The pharma-pseudoscience industries have hijacked
> this country's infrastructure just as the petroleum
> monopolies, the infernal combustion engine
> monopolies, and the electrical power generating
> monopolies have also done.
We vote with our dollars every day. What are we voting for? I
think it's mostly convenience.
> This country needs a revolution, badly!!!
Even at the height of the American Revolution, only about 25% of
the population supported independence.
Revolutions are basically inconvenient. Evolution is slower, but
surer. Just think, it took 30 years for computers to take over. Imsai
8080, about 1975. IBM PC, 1982. E-mail, about 1990. Web, about 1996+.
With all the information on the web, vitamins as cures are catching
on among the brighter people despite all the propaganda of the
pharmaceutical interests. Just look at how many times the FDA has
gotten caught with it's pants down in the last few years vs the
pre-internet days when people couldn't find people like themselves.
And how many patients are disputing doctor's diagnoses and
treatments with research from the web. LOTS!
Evolution Is taking place!
The way to revolutionize things, is not radical weaponry, it's
radical facilitation, the creation of convenience to do something via
new technologies. Then let the people do what they wish, what gives
them more value by using the tools you create.
-javilk- mall-net.com
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Apr 16 14:39:46 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Sat Apr 16 11:40:08 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Russell Blaylock and omega-3 FA's
Message-ID: <003401c542b3$aa5c44c0$6401a8c0@mikey>
There is no question that omega-3 fatty acids are healthy, and good for the
human body. Eat cold water finfish!
There IS a question about Blaylock being anything but a money-grubbing
quack!
After following Blaylock for over a decade, my opinion is that he is outside
even the most liberal fringes of the medical arts.
If Blaylock were to tell me that grass is green and the sky is blue, I would
have to walk outside and validate this for myself!
-MB
From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Apr 16 18:58:51 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr 16 15:59:06 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Russell Blaylock and omega-3 FA's
Message-ID: <15.42e22cb5.2f92f2ab@aol.com>
Brother Loves Traveling Salvation Show.
How I love these Snake Oil salesmen. Lydia Pinkhems Tonic for woman
saved hundreds of thousands of woman in my great- grand mothers day, It took
away woman problems, hair loss, the vapors, gave energy to woman who worked 18
hours a day just doing housework, never mind working in the fields, educating
their children, and spending half their day of rest , Sunday in church.
Wonderful stuff, when not doing all of the above the woman had energy to knit,
spin and card wool. Before the sewing machine was mass produced, all clothing
was hand sewn.
Yup, the good old days were something, without this tonic, who knows where
we would be today. Morphine wonderful ingredient, kept the woman busy
without complaining, never board, no time to have a wandering eye for neighbors
husband. (Some of them anyway).
I am not saying fish oil is a Snake Oil. I am saying that any product said
to be a cure all for more then say 3 things sounds highly questionable to me.
With one exception, aspirin, the amazing drug of the last 100 years.
Fish in the world of today have all the toxins they swim in. Factories that
manufacture fish products have Very strict quality control over their
products. When you buy fish sticks, fillets, nuggets, etc. the fish has to be tested
for over 60 chemicals or other toxins before it is released for to be turned
into the products you buy.
I work in this industry, train loads and trucks by the dozen deliver fish
every day. I have seen whole train cars sent back because of one sample taken
from tons of fish ,the sample was suspect, so the whole load of tons of fish
was rejected.
When you buy a food supplement you cannot be sure of the source, how would
anyone know if the supplement is contaminated ?
When you ingest contaminated food you will know with in a few hours that you
got a hold of some bad stuff. With food supplements you can get bad stuff in
low doses over months, you just get sicker and sicker and never give a
thought to the health pills you are taking.
Contaminated fish oil from supplements is almost impossible to prove, FDA is
not involved in the manufacturing process.
If you want fish oil, eat FISH from a name brand, Gortons or Fisherboy or
Mrs.Pauls. I work for one of these companies and we spend hundreds of
thousands of dollars a year to insure our products are the safest and best
nutrition your hard earned money can buy.
My Regards Vesta
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 21:11:17 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Sat Apr 16 21:11:30 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Russell Blaylock and omega-3 FA's
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050417041118.63334.qmail@web51906.mail.yahoo.com>
yet another reason I like fish as a meal...
Bob (feeling healthier as we speak...)
--- Vesta111@aol.com wrote:
> Brother Loves Traveling Salvation Show.
>
> How I love these Snake Oil salesmen. Lydia
> Pinkhems Tonic for woman
> saved hundreds of thousands of woman in my great-
> grand mothers day, It took
> away woman problems, hair loss, the vapors, gave
> energy to woman who worked 18
> hours a day just doing housework, never mind working
> in the fields, educating
> their children, and spending half their day of rest
> , Sunday in church.
> Wonderful stuff, when not doing all of the above the
> woman had energy to knit,
> spin and card wool. Before the sewing machine was
> mass produced, all clothing
> was hand sewn.
>
> Yup, the good old days were something, without this
> tonic, who knows where
> we would be today. Morphine wonderful
> ingredient, kept the woman busy
> without complaining, never board, no time to have a
> wandering eye for neighbors
> husband. (Some of them anyway).
>
> I am not saying fish oil is a Snake Oil. I am
> saying that any product said
> to be a cure all for more then say 3 things sounds
> highly questionable to me.
> With one exception, aspirin, the amazing drug of
> the last 100 years.
>
> Fish in the world of today have all the toxins they
> swim in. Factories that
> manufacture fish products have Very strict quality
> control over their
> products. When you buy fish sticks, fillets,
> nuggets, etc. the fish has to be tested
> for over 60 chemicals or other toxins before it is
> released for to be turned
> into the products you buy.
>
> I work in this industry, train loads and trucks by
> the dozen deliver fish
> every day. I have seen whole train cars sent back
> because of one sample taken
> from tons of fish ,the sample was suspect, so the
> whole load of tons of fish
> was rejected.
>
> When you buy a food supplement you cannot be sure of
> the source, how would
> anyone know if the supplement is contaminated ?
>
> When you ingest contaminated food you will know with
> in a few hours that you
> got a hold of some bad stuff. With food supplements
> you can get bad stuff in
> low doses over months, you just get sicker and
> sicker and never give a
> thought to the health pills you are taking.
>
> Contaminated fish oil from supplements is almost
> impossible to prove, FDA is
> not involved in the manufacturing process.
>
> If you want fish oil, eat FISH from a name brand,
> Gortons or Fisherboy or
> Mrs.Pauls. I work for one of these companies and we
> spend hundreds of
> thousands of dollars a year to insure our products
> are the safest and best
> nutrition your hard earned money can buy.
>
> My Regards Vesta
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 20:05:04 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Apr 18 20:06:06 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Electromagnetic brainwave entrainment project.
Message-ID: <20050419030504.29383.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
I am at a standstill, with the P.V.C.
pipe, for the E.M. B-wave Entrainment
project.
The ends of the pipe are not cut at
90 degrees, relative to the length of
the pipe itself, (which was the way that
I got the pipe,) and so, I intend to take
the pipe to a shop, perhaps a shop
with a bandsaw, or some other type
of saw; (maybe a table saw?).
The main reason that I am typing here,
is that I am wondering if you know
if the powered up helmholz coils will
effect more than just the iron content
in the brain???
Are there more factors that will be
effected in the brain, other than just
iron only???
Sincerely, Clyde
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 19 03:28:11 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Apr 18 20:28:26 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Electromagnetic brainwave entrainment project.
In-Reply-To: <20050419030504.29383.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 18, 2005 08:05:04 PM
Message-ID: <20050419032811.26279.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I am at a standstill, with the P.V.C.
> pipe, for the E.M. B-wave Entrainment
> project.
Hmm...
> The ends of the pipe are not cut at
> 90 degrees, relative to the length of
> the pipe itself, (which was the way that
> I got the pipe,) and so, I intend to take
> the pipe to a shop, perhaps a shop
> with a bandsaw, or some other type
> of saw; (maybe a table saw?).
Band saw. But knitting hoops are already the right size, shape,
etc.
Alternative -- go to Home Depot or Lowes, find a corrugated drain
pipe the right size, one foot in diameter, and have them cut you a chunk
that is about one and a half feet long, enough to fit over your head and
rest on your shoulders. Cut out eye holes and maybe a mouth hole.
Wind the coils in the corrugations a little above the top of the head,
six inches down, and six inches below that to give you a one foot long
field. You will have a robust device. A lot more robust than thin
pipes, hoops. etc. that I have! And come to think of it... I'll
probably do just that some time soon, as I've busted another wire on
this set of coils. Not to mention having to re-glue the dowels, etc.
from time to time.
Do make sure the pipe does not stink, first.
> The main reason that I am typing here,
> is that I am wondering if you know
> if the powered up helmholz coils will
> effect more than just the iron content
> in the brain???
I have no idea what it affects. The theory is it may align some of
the molecules or something. The effects are statistically altering
brain waves toward the set frequency, and synchronization of brain
hemispheres.
> Are there more factors that will be
> effected in the brain, other than just
> iron only???
I really don't know about the iron. I really don't know HOW the
thing works. All I know, is that it is being used for therapy by some,
similar things have been written up in books, and it seems to have some
very good effects upon myself when set to 7.83hz. Interesting effects
at other frequencies... but good effects for me at 7.83
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 20:56:07 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Apr 18 20:56:16 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Electromagnetic brainwave entrainment project.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050419035607.84897.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> I am at a standstill, with the P.V.C.
> pipe, for the E.M. B-wave Entrainment
> project.
Hmm...
> The ends of the pipe are not cut at
> 90 degrees, relative to the length of
> the pipe itself, (which was the way that
> I got the pipe,) and so, I intend to take
> the pipe to a shop, perhaps a shop
> with a bandsaw, or some other type
> of saw; (maybe a table saw?).
Band saw. But knitting hoops are already the right size, shape,
etc.
Alternative -- go to Home Depot or Lowes, find a corrugated drain
pipe the right size, one foot in diameter, and have them cut you a chunk
that is about one and a half feet long, enough to fit over your head and
rest on your shoulders. Cut out eye holes and maybe a mouth hole.
Wind the coils in the corrugations a little above the top of the head,
six inches down, and six inches below that to give you a one foot long
field. You will have a robust device. A lot more robust than thin
pipes, hoops. etc. that I have! And come to think of it... I'll
probably do just that some time soon,
OK.
as I've busted another wire on
this set of coils.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BUSTING A WIRE?
DID YOU JUST BREAK THE WIRE, DUE TO THE FRAGILITY
OF THE KNITTERS HOOPS, THE GLUE, AND THE DOWELS?
OR DID YOU OVERLOAD THE COILS AND BURN THE WIRE IN TWO?
Not to mention having to re-glue the dowels, etc.
from time to time.
Do make sure the pipe does not stink, first.
WHY WOULD THE PIPES STINK???
> The main reason that I am typing here,
> is that I am wondering if you know
> if the powered up helmholz coils will
> effect more than just the iron content
> in the brain???
I have no idea what it affects. The theory is it may align some of
the molecules or something. The effects are statistically altering
brain waves toward the set frequency, and synchronization of brain
hemispheres.
SYNCHRONIZING/RE-SYNCHRONIZING THE CLOCKWORK OF/INSIDE
THE BRAIN.
I WONDER HOW THE EFFECTS WOULD BE ON ANIMALS; LIKE CATS
AND DOGS, ALTHOUGH THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NO
INTEREST IN ACTUALLY DOING!
> Are there more factors that will be
> effected in the brain, other than just
> iron only???
I really don't know about the iron. I really don't know HOW the
thing works. All I know, is that it is being used for therapy by some,
similar things have been written up in books, and it seems to have some
very good effects upon myself when set to 7.83hz. Interesting effects
at other frequencies... but good effects for me at 7.83
OK; I WILL EXPERIMENT AT 7.83 HZ. WITH SINEWAVE INPUT.
I THINK THE MINIMUMUM IMPEDANCE OUTPUT, OF THE LOAD OF
THE AUDIO GEN. IS 4 OHMS, BUT I'LL HAVE TO DIG THROUGH MY
BOX OF INSTRUCTION MANUALS, TO FIND OUT FOR CERTAIN.
I DON'T WANT TO OVERLOAD MY AUDIO GEN., SO I THINK I WILL
FIRST EXPERIMENT WITH A MINIMUM OF A 2 OHM RESISTOR, AT
FIRST TEST, AND IF 2 OHMS WEAKENS THE FIELD STRENGTH TOO
MUCH, THEN I WILL REDUCE THE IMPEDENCE ACCORDINGLY.
SINCERELY, CLYDE
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 19 04:14:19 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Apr 18 21:14:21 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Electromagnetic brainwave entrainment project.
In-Reply-To: <20050419035607.84897.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 18, 2005 08:56:07 PM
Message-ID: <20050419041419.51402.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> as I've busted another wire on
> this set of coils.
>
> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BUSTING A WIRE?
>
> DID YOU JUST BREAK THE WIRE, DUE TO THE FRAGILITY
> OF THE KNITTERS HOOPS, THE GLUE, AND THE DOWELS?
The wire broke because it was running through air between the hoops.
But yes, the thing is fragile, hard to transport, etc. because it is
just thin sticks glued together.
> Do make sure the pipe does not stink, first.
>
>
> WHY WOULD THE PIPES STINK???
Plastics have odors. Mold release compound, softeners, hardeners,
UV blockers, all kinds of stuff. Many of the people I know have
problems with some kinds of plastics.
> I have no idea what it affects. The theory is it may align some of
> the molecules or something. The effects are statistically altering
> brain waves toward the set frequency, and synchronization of brain
> hemispheres.
>
> SYNCHRONIZING/RE-SYNCHRONIZING THE CLOCKWORK OF/INSIDE
> THE BRAIN.
We have pacemakers in our brains, just as we have in our hearts. if
the pacemaker cells do not get a pulse in so much time, they fire.
>
> I WONDER HOW THE EFFECTS WOULD BE ON ANIMALS; LIKE CATS
> AND DOGS, ALTHOUGH THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NO
> INTEREST IN ACTUALLY DOING!
I stuck some mice in the coils once, mice I caught raiding my
kitchen. When I exposed them to below 5hz signals, they appeared to be
trying to avoid nodding off.
After the experiment, I "air-mailed" them far from my dwelling.
(They had been caught in some pipe, so I just flipped it, letting them
fly out.) I do not expect they survived the landing, but it was too
dark to verify. Any animal that steals and spoils my food without
explicit invitation, dies.
> I really don't know about the iron. I really don't know HOW the
> thing works. All I know, is that it is being used for therapy by some,
> similar things have been written up in books, and it seems to have some
> very good effects upon myself when set to 7.83hz. Interesting effects
> at other frequencies... but good effects for me at 7.83
>
>
> OK; I WILL EXPERIMENT AT 7.83 HZ. WITH SINEWAVE INPUT.
> I THINK THE MINIMUMUM IMPEDANCE OUTPUT, OF THE LOAD OF
> THE AUDIO GEN. IS 4 OHMS, BUT I'LL HAVE TO DIG THROUGH MY
> BOX OF INSTRUCTION MANUALS, TO FIND OUT FOR CERTAIN.
If you don't turn the gain up on most of these devices, they won't
fry.
>
> I DON'T WANT TO OVERLOAD MY AUDIO GEN., SO I THINK I WILL
> FIRST EXPERIMENT WITH A MINIMUM OF A 2 OHM RESISTOR, AT
> FIRST TEST, AND IF 2 OHMS WEAKENS THE FIELD STRENGTH TOO
> MUCH, THEN I WILL REDUCE THE IMPEDENCE ACCORDINGLY.
Field strength is a function of current.
V=IR
Volts = current times resistance
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 09:57:41 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Apr 20 09:57:51 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk,
Message-ID: <20050420165741.8880.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
Would Hindu Ayurveda, and,
Orthomolecular, both, be
under the exact same science
classification???
Clyde
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Apr 20 10:53:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk,
In-Reply-To: <20050420165741.8880.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 20, 2005 09:57:41 AM
Message-ID: <20050420175311.54979.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Would Hindu Ayurveda, and,
> Orthomolecular, both, be
> under the exact same science
> classification???
Not even close!
Basically, all systems of medicine map a patient into one (or
sometimes more) categories, then treat as we have seen successful for
the category. So the primary questions are how many categories, and how
accurately can we place the person or symptom in an appropriate
category?
The Hindu system of "Are You Vedic" medicine is not based upon
knowledge of molecular structure. The Hindus don't know molecular
structure, chemistry, etc. It's based upon myths and guesses of how
"something" "must" work, supplemented by a few thousand years of
experience. New fad to the western world. Promoted highly by "Deep-quack"
Chopra. For some things it works well. For a lot of things it works
so-so. But it's a guess, mapping people into one of so many categories,
and administering herbs and such based upon what has worked for people
in that category.
Chinese Medicine is based on a kind of "energy" flow system.
Another myth and guess of how things might work, along with a few
thousands of years of experience in which herb really does seem to cure
what general condition. Fair chance of working. Again, it's a guess of
mapping people into one of so many categories based upon symptoms like
"dampness", etc., and administering herbs, etc. on the basis of what as
worked for people in that category
Homeopathic medicine is another "best guess" type system with a lot
of treatments and plausible rational that has a fair success rate. The
"logical basis" for a lot of it is take something that makes the same
symptoms, or symptoms worse, as it spurs the body into fixing the
problem. Here, one is mapped into a set of categories based upon the
symptoms, rather than the person, and treated according to that
category.
Orthomolecular is based upon detailed scientific knowledge of
biochemical pathways -- how our bodies actually work. The goal is to
help the body heal buy supplementing the pathways where they are not
producing enough intermediate chemistry. Elaborate blood testing for
amino acid and other levels to determine what is actually going on;
though sometimes it is fairly obvious. In other words, Highly targeted
solutions based on actual knowledge of the patient. Amino acids and
vitamins are cheap and generally NOT HARMFUL! Does not support an
industry, only the doctor using it. In other words, categories based
upon actual mechanisms, rather than symptoms.
Allopathic medicine, what American doctors generally use, is also
based upon this scientific knowledge. But it is targeted toward the
alleviation of symptoms, NOT helping the body overcome the specifics of
what is wrong. In other words, it is another system of mapping based
upon symptoms. Also, the chemistry used generally does not supplement,
but impairs the function of the body system which creates the symptoms.
Thus side effects are not uncommon.
Why is it based on symptoms? Like the homeopathic system which
preceded it, it's easier to deal with symptoms than do a full work up of
all the oddities of each patient. And besides, if you cure the patient,
he does not come back and spend more money with you. So you try pill A
at $25 each, and if that does not work, pill B at $45 each, then pill C
at $85 each... and eventually the pharmaceutical company's stock goes
up!
Allopathic medicine uses things like anti-histamines to stop
running noses by blocking part of the immune system, rather than finding
out WHY the nose is running. Orthomolecular addresses why the nose is
running, often it's body temperature too low, lack of adequate vitamin
C, maybe selenium, etc. Orthomolecular believes things happen for a
reason, and sometimes, you really DON'T want to stop the symptoms,
because they are part of how the body is healing itself.
And as some articles say, suppressing the immune system leaves us
more likely NOT to kill off the thousand or so cancers which an average
person gets in a life time. Cancer is not that unusual, so the immune
system knows how to deal with it... the question is whether it is alert
enough to detect, and vigorous enough to kill that cancer before it
grows very large. If you are suppressing your immune system via
antihistamines or other things, are not getting good enough nutrition,
adequate vitamins, etc., then the immune system might not catch it early
enough.
So I am kind of biased in favor of the orthomolecular approach.
Besides, that's what saved my life.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
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Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
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Arthritis
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Apr 20 16:06:14 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Reminder web addresses: Part two.
Message-ID: <20050420230601.83952.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
Reminder web addresses: Part two:
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2. http://www.corleyganem.com/PracticeAreaDescriptions9.html
3. http://www.drlaurathompson.com/
4. http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/beyond-the-bombing/btb-oklahoma.html
5. http://www.whale.to (Some of the topics on this website are nonsense.)
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17. http://www.osu-ours.okstate.edu/report01/tulsa/aerialview.jpg (A picture of this
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49. http://www.capricornbooks.ca/si/190.html
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54. http://www.air-quality-eng.com/ (Because, damnit!!!;;; we all need cleaner air to
breathe!!!)
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air with more moisture in the wintertime, to breathe!!!)
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need indoor dehumidfiers in the summertime!!!)
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we all need more OXYGEN to breathe!!!)
58. http://www.ms.northropgrumman.com/home/main.html } These three Northrop
Grumman websites are mainly for Brett, but for others as well, if interested!!!
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127. http://www.steele-canvas.com
128. http://www.sutherlands.com
129. http://www.candhsales.com (Note: The website for C And H Sales Company
is really boring; lacking the pictures that the mail order catalog has. Call and
request a copy of their catalog by phone, or e-mail them, to request a copy of the
catalog!)
130. http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2491
131. http://www.transcat.com
132. http://www.weschler.com
133. http://www.dwdrums.com
134. http://www.panasonic.com/security
135. http://www.ieee.org
136. http://www.ieee.org/join
137. http://www.pentadyne.com
138. http://www.lwca.org/
139. http://www.fasote.org/ct/critical/cat.html
140. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43869
141. http://www.worlditc.org/h_07_spiri_000_007.htm
142. http://web.media.mit.edu/~bv/
143. http://www.grainger.com
144. http://www.graybar.com
145. http://tdworld.com/contact/
146. http://tw.pbsub.com/
147. http://www.infowebcom.com/reach.htm
148. http://www.betterhumans.com/Resources/Encyclopedia/article.aspx?articleID=2003-08-25-2
149. http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=/articles/art0134.html
150. http://www.accelerationwatch.com
151. http://www.newharvestorganics.com
152. http://www.lyricsdomain.com/18/rush/xanadu.html
153. http://www.lyricsdomain.com/18/rush/freewill.html
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 18:21:32 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Apr 20 18:21:40 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Do you know what the true science is,
behind the phase locked loop, and its true topology?
Message-ID: <20050421012132.63062.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
This is a copy of an e-mail that I sent to my
broadcast engineering professor today; Could
anyone out there on the list possibly also be
able to help me with my question too???
Sincerly, Clyde
Mr. Pesha,
Do you have any knowledge of the suppressed
science, behind the phase locked loop: Its true
topology, and not the typical integrated symbolism
nonsense crap, that is in all modern electrical and
electronics books?
Is the true circuit topology of a phase locked loop,
only a tuned coil surrounding a tuned quartz crystal?
And are you knowledgeable if high powered phase
locked loops exist, that can be operated at high
current/high voltage, in the 88, to 108 megacycle
range of the broadcast spectrum?
Sincerely, Clyde
clydelofton@yahoo.com
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 18:44:36 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Apr 20 18:44:58 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050421014436.93303.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
I've been away, Clyde.
Recalling owning an older electronics dictionary, I checked my library. Still in disarray from moving (it's been seven years!), I found nothing.
checking half.com I searched for "electronics dfictionary" which returned numerous possibilities, such as http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=2685373&domain_id=1856&meta_id=1
Older ones are much cheaper. Why not try a used bookshop in Tulsa?
OK.
THERE ARE TWO USED BOOKSTORES THAT I KNOW OF, HERE IN TULSA,
THAT I CAN CHECK AND SEE.
A MAJOR REASON WHY I AM SO INTERESTED AT THIS TIME, OF FINDING
OLD ELECTRICAL, AND OLD ELECTRONICS DICTIONARIES, IS THAT I HAVE
BEEN TRYING, FOR A VERY VERY FRUSTRATING AND DISTRESSING LONG
TIME, TO FIND THE TRUE NATURE SECRET, BEHIND THE CIRCUIT TOPOLOGY DESIGN, OF ANTI-INTEGRATED, REAL MCCOY PHASE LOCKED LOOPS, SINCE
I HAVE GROWN SO TIRED OF THE NEVERENDING SOLID STATE SYMBOL
NONSENSE, OF THE PSEUDO DESIGN SCHEMATIC, WHICH IS ALWAYS REPRESENTED BY A DUMB AND USELESS WORTHLESS TRIANGLE, THAT
IS MEANINGLESS TO A TRUE ENGINEER.
A hypothesis exists that while vast numbers of planets bearing intelligent beings exist in the universe, we will probably never contact any. The supposition suggests that once civilizations develop the technology to communicate over interstellar space, they also have the technoplogy to destroy themselves...and they do. Thus, considering the size of the universe, even with a thousand trillion humanoid-inhabited planets, the chances of two being at the same development for a mere few hundred years is extremely low.
Which is another way of saying that it's probably hopeless. All we can try is practicing the golden rule within our circle, improving our happiness and that of a fewe others temporarily.
IF ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE IN THE FUTURE, WITH THE WORLD WAR
THREE SCENARIO, DO YOU THINK THAT THE LORD WILL BLESS
EVERYONE WITH A LIMITLESS 'OVER'DOSE OF PAINKILLERS, AND A
SUFFICIENT DOSE OF CYANIDE TO END IT ALL???
IT ISN'T DEATH THAT I FEAR; IT IS THE PROCESS OF MANY FORMS OF
DEATH THAT I FEAR!
SINCERELY, CLYDE
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 21 04:19:11 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Apr 20 21:19:17 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply
In-Reply-To: <20050421014436.93303.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 20, 2005 06:44:36 PM
Message-ID: <20050421041911.1890.qmail@mall-net.com>
> A MAJOR REASON WHY I AM SO INTERESTED AT THIS TIME, OF FINDING
> OLD ELECTRICAL, AND OLD ELECTRONICS DICTIONARIES, IS THAT I HAVE
> BEEN TRYING, FOR A VERY VERY FRUSTRATING AND DISTRESSING LONG
> TIME, TO FIND THE TRUE NATURE SECRET, BEHIND THE CIRCUIT TOPOLOGY DESIGN, OF ANTI-INTEGRATED, REAL MCCOY PHASE LOCKED LOOPS, SINCE
> I HAVE GROWN SO TIRED OF THE NEVERENDING SOLID STATE SYMBOL
> NONSENSE, OF THE PSEUDO DESIGN SCHEMATIC, WHICH IS ALWAYS REPRESENTED BY A DUMB AND USELESS WORTHLESS TRIANGLE, THAT
> IS MEANINGLESS TO A TRUE ENGINEER.
I dunno, Clyde, I've got a friend who's an engineer, inventor, etc.
(IQ above 190) who uses those symbols and the IC's as being so much
simpler than building them himself. Maybe what you are seeking is the
specifications behind the symbol, or some sense of concreteness that the
symbol does not provide some layer of your mind.
The mind can be really funny at times, tossing up something
repeatedly as a way of asking for more information. Have you build
anything with the IC Op Amps? Have you tried building them with
transistors, and compared the results?
> A hypothesis exists that while vast numbers of planets bearing
> intelligent beings exist in the universe, we will probably never
> contact any. The supposition suggests that once civilizations develop the
> technology to communicate over interstellar space, they also have the
> technoplogy to destroy themselves...and they do. Thus, considering the
I think it more interesting to consider the difference between
European civilization and African and Asian civilizations. I will
summarize what I have heard and read; these are opinions, and others
should feel free to argue about them.
China reached a very stable state fairly early, with The Emperor
ruling. Individual Chinese basically remained at a near subsistence
farming level while The Emperor got a lot of custom made goods.
There was no, what you might call a middle class with real freedoms
to explore what they found interesting. Those who had ideas, had to
apply to the Emperor for permission to develop them for the Emperor's
amusement.
In Africa, there were some civilizations as well... but most were
socialistic, with little incentive for people to really explore and
develop things.
Both of these cut heavily into progress..
In Europe, there was more trade. Multiple kings, etc., but a lot
of fighting too.
The big break came with something to do with Cromwell and the
rights of The People in England. This lead to more independence among the
people. More entrepreneurial activity. England was known as "The Nation
of Shopkeepers" for this.
In many ways, this was also true in ancient Rome and ancient
Athens. The people elected their own leaders (most of the time) and
there was a lot of crafts type activity.
Yet in both Rome and Athens, eventually dictatorial types won out,
and the resulting economics no longer favored such risk taking,
philosophy, etc.
We in the USA took off from our English roots, and went slightly
crazy with the concepts. And from that, we developed technologies to
reach OUR OWN comforts, not those for some Emperor.
What does this have to do with space fairing aliens? Well, if the
socialist or dictator models win out, and there is fair evidence in our
own history that they do much of the time, then the technology and
economic energy to support space exploration is less likely than, say,
in a robustly commercialized civilization. Heck, just look at how
Johnson and Nixon gutted our space programs! We went to the moon, then
just about threw it away!
Also, our own space history begins long, long ago with many poets
and tale spinners talking about going to the moon. Travel to the moon
is kind of part of our sacred hopes and dreams.
So if a planet does not have the kind of large moon we have, it is
less likely that efforts will be made to reach out to space.
Plus, evolution having been, in part, driven by the dry/wet
cycles of the tides, the lack of a moon would likely substantially delay
development of species which are capable of the kinds of intellectual
craziness that we routinely engage in.
Anyone else like to comment on this hypothesis? I mean, I could
be full of beans. (Actually, legumes, beans are tomorrow on my rotating
diet.)
> size of the universe, even with a thousand trillion humanoid-inhabited
> planets, the chances of two being at the same development for a mere
> few hundred years is extremely low. > Which is another way of saying
Pretty much rare. But also, if the speed of light is a serious
barrier, then distance becomes almost insurmountable. For many of the
explorers, what good is exploring if you can't come back and brag about
it? Where's the prestige? Where's the adoration of those who use to be
your peers?
> that it's probably hopeless. All we can try is practicing the golden
> rule within our circle, improving our happiness and that of a fewe others
> temporarily.
Biology aside, Life has no purpose other than that which you invest
into it. You've got to put something in to get something out.
> IF ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE IN THE FUTURE, WITH THE WORLD WAR
> THREE SCENARIO, DO YOU THINK THAT THE LORD WILL BLESS
> EVERYONE WITH A LIMITLESS 'OVER'DOSE OF PAINKILLERS, AND A
> SUFFICIENT DOSE OF CYANIDE TO END IT ALL???
> IT ISN'T DEATH THAT I FEAR; IT IS THE PROCESS OF MANY FORMS OF
> DEATH THAT I FEAR!
It's easy to take your own life if you want to. Kind of a chicken
approach... Daniel Mannis, "Mr. Clean" of New York politics, stabbed
himself in the heart with a stake knife when the fact he was skimming
lots of cash from the parking meters of New York appeared to be ready
to come out. He did it while talking on the phone to one of his cronies,
with his family in the other room watching TV. Too chicken to face the
judge and jury. Some of Ceasar's cronies involved in the plot against
him fell on their swords or ran into swords held by others. Death is
easy.
Living is harder, and far, FAR more Interesting! What will your
life be like next year? Five years from now? Plan for those years, set
goals, Give yourself A REASON to WANT to live!
Because of a fungal infection overwhelming my liver with toxins, I
spent two years in near isolation with a gas mask over my face in the
mid 80's. No internet, no nothing! Looked kind of hopeless, but not
completely. Yes, I set some review dates for suicide; but each time I
reviewed the situation more formally, I felt there was something worth
living for, hope something would change. And it did.
Death should not be a spur-of-the-moment decision. The decision
should carefully compare the pluses and minuses, the pain vs the hope.
(Several of my friends had terminal illnesses. We went through this.
They all died of "natural causes" rather than by their own hand.) Set
review dates in the future. And don't even plan to do it on a review
date, but a week afterward to give yourself the ability to change your
mind.
You're not that bad off, Clyde. Plenty of hope for the future for
you. Besides, we don't have enough mad scientists on this list as it
is. We'd hate to lose you.
As for war, wars always come. As a species, we seem to survive
them. It's interesting that democracies don't fight democracies.
We've pretty much infected the rest of the world with Democracy.
Except China... That's going to be a tough one. But... they might
become democratic. I mean, who'd believe the Soviet Union was going to
tumble? That was something for Clancy to write about, not to happen in
the real world. Yet the firefight at the Russian White House that Clancy
wrote in Red Storm Rising, happened. Hard to believe!
But when you look at it, the larger the nation, the more people in
the chain of command who have kids and families they would not wish a
war to kill. Just as when you add more parts to a gadget, when you add
more people to a system, it becomes less reliable, less able to carry
out it's nefarious purposes. Especially nefarious purposes! The
fiction of Fu Manchu is one thing, real life is quite another.
Life is an adventure, Clyde! Even if just watching it unfold in
the evening news.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 08:38:54 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Apr 22 08:39:07 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply
In-Reply-To: <20050421041911.1890.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050422153854.66886.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> A MAJOR REASON WHY I AM SO INTERESTED AT THIS TIME, OF FINDING
> OLD ELECTRICAL, AND OLD ELECTRONICS DICTIONARIES, IS THAT I HAVE
> BEEN TRYING, FOR A VERY VERY FRUSTRATING AND DISTRESSING LONG
> TIME, TO FIND THE TRUE NATURE SECRET, BEHIND THE CIRCUIT TOPOLOGY DESIGN, OF ANTI-INTEGRATED, REAL MCCOY PHASE LOCKED LOOPS, SINCE
> I HAVE GROWN SO TIRED OF THE NEVERENDING SOLID STATE SYMBOL
> NONSENSE, OF THE PSEUDO DESIGN SCHEMATIC, WHICH IS ALWAYS REPRESENTED BY A DUMB AND USELESS WORTHLESS TRIANGLE, THAT
> IS MEANINGLESS TO A TRUE ENGINEER.
I dunno, Clyde, I've got a friend who's an engineer, inventor, etc.
(IQ above 190) who uses those symbols and the IC's as being so much
simpler than building them himself. Maybe what you are seeking is the
specifications behind the symbol, or some sense of concreteness that the
symbol does not provide some layer of your mind.
YES, THAT IS IT!
THE CONCRETENESS BEHIND THE SYMBOL!
THE REAL MCCOY SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, AND ENGINEERING,
BEHIND THE NEVERENDING DUMBASS SYMBOL!
The mind can be really funny at times, tossing up something
repeatedly as a way of asking for more information. Have you build
anything with the IC Op Amps? Have you tried building them with
transistors, and compared the results?
I'M NOT INTERESTED AT ALL, IN IC OP AMPS-CHINESE CHIPS!
THE RINKY DINK INTEGRATED CRAP.
I AM INTERESTED ONLY IN HIGH POWER: HIGH VOLTAGE, HIGH CURRENT,
(AND IN CERTAIN CASES; HIGH FREQUENCY,) SOLID STATE, AND OTHER
ELECTRONICS, AND ELECTRICAL TECHNOLOGY ENGINEERING!
> A hypothesis exists that while vast numbers of planets bearing
> intelligent beings exist in the universe, we will probably never
> contact any. The supposition suggests that once civilizations develop the
> technology to communicate over interstellar space, they also have the
> technoplogy to destroy themselves...and they do. Thus, considering the
I think it more interesting to consider the difference between
European civilization and African and Asian civilizations. I will
summarize what I have heard and read; these are opinions, and others
should feel free to argue about them.
China reached a very stable state fairly early, with The Emperor
ruling. Individual Chinese basically remained at a near subsistence
farming level while The Emperor got a lot of custom made goods.
There was no, what you might call a middle class with real freedoms
to explore what they found interesting. Those who had ideas, had to
apply to the Emperor for permission to develop them for the Emperor's
amusement.
In Africa, there were some civilizations as well... but most were
socialistic, with little incentive for people to really explore and
develop things.
Both of these cut heavily into progress..
In Europe, there was more trade. Multiple kings, etc., but a lot
of fighting too.
The big break came with something to do with Cromwell and the
rights of The People in England. This lead to more independence among the
people. More entrepreneurial activity. England was known as "The Nation
of Shopkeepers" for this.
In many ways, this was also true in ancient Rome and ancient
Athens. The people elected their own leaders (most of the time) and
there was a lot of crafts type activity.
Yet in both Rome and Athens, eventually dictatorial types won out,
and the resulting economics no longer favored such risk taking,
philosophy, etc.
We in the USA took off from our English roots, and went slightly
crazy with the concepts. And from that, we developed technologies to
reach OUR OWN comforts, not those for some Emperor.
What does this have to do with space fairing aliens? Well, if the
socialist or dictator models win out, and there is fair evidence in our
own history that they do much of the time, then the technology and
economic energy to support space exploration is less likely than, say,
in a robustly commercialized civilization. Heck, just look at how
Johnson and Nixon gutted our space programs! We went to the moon, then
just about threw it away!
YEAH, IT IS REALLY SHITTY THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS NOT
PROGRESSED FURTHER, TECHNICALLY, IN SPACE!
Also, our own space history begins long, long ago with many poets
and tale spinners talking about going to the moon. Travel to the moon
is kind of part of our sacred hopes and dreams.
YEAH, THE U.S. NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE MOON, IN MY OPINION,
AND DO MINING, AND OTHER THINGS.
So if a planet does not have the kind of large moon we have, it is
less likely that efforts will be made to reach out to space.
Plus, evolution
HOW ABOUT THE CO-EXISTANCE OF CREATION AND EVOLUTION?
THAT IS THE WAY THAT I SEE IT.
BUT MAYBE THAT IS A DANGEROUS STANCE TO TAKE; NOT ONLY ON
MY BEHALF, BUT ALSO ON OTHERS BEHALF'S AS WELL.
having been, in part, driven by the dry/wet
cycles of the tides, the lack of a moon would likely substantially delay
development of species which are capable of the kinds of intellectual
craziness that we routinely engage in.
INTELLECTUAL CRAZINESS IS GOOD; TO KEEP A FREE SOCIETY FREE!
Anyone else like to comment on this hypothesis? I mean, I could
be full of beans. (Actually, legumes, beans are tomorrow on my rotating
diet.)
I DON'T THINK I HAVE EVER HAD LEGUMES; PACAY BEANS; ICE CREAM
BEANS, BY THEMSELVES, IN THEIR NATUAL FORMS.
ARE THEY GOOD, BY THEMSELVES ALONE???
I RESEARCHED LEGUMES TWO THREE MONTH'S AGO, AT THE LIBRARY,
BERFORE I GOT 24 INTERNET AT HOME.
PACAY - INGA FEULLEI - FABACEAE.
WHILE RESEARCHING NELUMBO NUCIFERA, I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT
LEGUMINOSA, SINCE THERE WERE A FEW PRINTINGS THAT
CATEGORIZED LEGUMINOSA IN WITH THE CATEGORY OF LOTUS!
HERE IS A GOOD WEBLINK REGARDING PACAY'S, AND LEGUMES:
http://home.att.net/~oc_crfg/alfredo-feb04.htm
> size of the universe, even with a thousand trillion humanoid-inhabited
> planets, the chances of two being at the same development for a mere
> few hundred years is extremely low. > Which is another way of saying
Pretty much rare. But also, if the speed of light is a serious
barrier, then distance becomes almost insurmountable. For many of the
explorers, what good is exploring if you can't come back and brag about
it? Where's the prestige? Where's the adoration of those who use to be
your peers?
RIGHT ON!
THE NAVIGATION OF SPACE AND TIME, I THINK, WILL HAVE TO BE MAPPED,
USING TETRAHEDRAL GRIDWORK; MAYBE I'M WRONG; MAYBE THAT IS
AN EXTREMIST POINT OF VIEW???
> that it's probably hopeless. All we can try is practicing the golden
> rule within our circle, improving our happiness and that of a few others
> temporarily.
Biology aside, Life has no purpose other than that which you invest
into it. You've got to put something in to get something out.
> IF ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE IN THE FUTURE, WITH THE WORLD WAR
> THREE SCENARIO, DO YOU THINK THAT THE LORD WILL BLESS
> EVERYONE WITH A LIMITLESS 'OVER'DOSE OF PAINKILLERS, AND A
> SUFFICIENT DOSE OF CYANIDE TO END IT ALL???
> IT ISN'T DEATH THAT I FEAR; IT IS THE PROCESS OF MANY FORMS OF
> DEATH THAT I FEAR!
It's easy to take your own life if you want to. Kind of a chicken
approach... Daniel Mannis, "Mr. Clean" of New York politics, stabbed
himself in the heart with a stake knife when the fact he was skimming
lots of cash from the parking meters of New York appeared to be ready
to come out. He did it while talking on the phone to one of his cronies,
with his family in the other room watching TV. Too chicken to face the
judge and jury. Some of Ceasar's cronies involved in the plot against
him fell on their swords or ran into swords held by others. Death is
easy.
IT ISN'T MY WILL TO TAKE MY OWN LIFE; YET LIFE HURTS SO MUCH, FOR
ME, THAT INSTEAD OF A STANDARD DRUG ADDICTION, I WILL TAKE THE
EXTREMIST STANCE ON THIS ISSUE, AND SAY, THAT I NEED AN INFINITE
"OVER"-DOSE OF PAINKILLERS TO GET ME THROUGH LIFE, INTO THE
FUTURE NOW!
PROGRESS IS IN EXTREME SLOW MOTION NOW, AND IT IS BOTH
DISTRESSING, AND AS FRUSTRATING AS HELL!
Living is harder,
DAMN RIGHT!
LIFE HAS BECOME AN ABSOLUTE OBSTACLE COURSE.
ABSOLUTELY DIFFICULT.
AND I DO GO AGAINST THE GRAIN, YET THAT IS STILL INSUFFICIENT.
I NEED TO BLAST AGAINST THE GRAIN I GUESS!
and far, FAR more Interesting!
YES, MUCH OF LIFE IS VERY INTERESTING, BUT MUCH OF LIFE IS FULL OF
CEASELESS SENSELESS NEVERENDING NONSENSE; PARTICULARLY IN
THIS STUPID MODERN COMMERCIALISM CRAP SOCIETY THAT WE HAVE TO
PUT UP WITH; ITS CEASELESS BULLSHIT!
What will your life be like next year? Five years from now?
I INTEND FOR THEM TO BE EXCELLENT, YET I AM FLYING INTO THE FUTURE
BEYOND FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET, AND CANNOT SLOW DOWN.
I AM ASSIMILATING KNOWLEDGE THROUGH INTERNET RESEARCH AT SUCH
A SPEED RATE OF TIME, THAT THE STRESS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE
THE EARLY DEATH OF MY LIFE.
Plan for those years, set
goals,
A FUTURE OF BROKEN PLANS!
I'VE GOT PILES OF PAPER, THAT ARE FULL OF SO MANY GOALS, AND I AM
MOST GENERALLY AT INFORMATION OVERLOAD AND COMMUNICATION
BREAKDOWN, BECAUSE OF THE NONSENSE OF MONEY.
Give yourself A REASON to WANT to live!
I'VE GOT PLENTY OF REASONS TO LIVE!
BUT MONEY THOUGH, WANTS TO BE THE DEATH OF US ALL, I GUESS!
Because of a fungal infection overwhelming my liver with toxins, I
spent two years in near isolation with a gas mask over my face in the
mid 80's. No internet, no nothing! Looked kind of hopeless, but not
completely. Yes, I set some review dates for suicide; but each time I
reviewed the situation more formally, I felt there was something worth
living for, hope something would change. And it did.
I HAVE BECOME AN ADRENALINE JUNKIE, AND I NEED TO BE DETOXED
OF ALL NEUROTOXINS!
I'VE BEEN NEGLECTING MY HEALTH FOR SUCH A LONG TIME, PURSUING
MATERIAL GAINS, AND HAVE HAD TO SUFFER EXTENSIVELY, FROM BOTH
LACK OF COMPLETION OF THE MATERIAL GAINS, AND PROJECTS, AS WELL
AS FROM HEALTH PROBLEM TOO.
Death should not be a spur-of-the-moment decision. The decision
should carefully compare the pluses and minuses, the pain vs the hope.
(Several of my friends had terminal illnesses. We went through this.
They all died of "natural causes" rather than by their own hand.) Set
review dates in the future. And don't even plan to do it on a review
date, but a week afterward to give yourself the ability to change your
mind.
You're not that bad off, Clyde. Plenty of hope for the future for
you. Besides, we don't have enough mad scientists on this list as it
is. We'd hate to lose you.
WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTIONS OF LEAVING THIS LIST; THIS IS ONE
OF THE COOLEST PLACES THAT I HAVE FOUND ON THE NET!
SOMETHING THAT I HOPE IS GOING TO BE COOL TONIGHT; I AM GOING
TO GO TO THE ROCK CONCERT, FOR THE ROCK BAND; TESLA, NAMED
AFTER THE SCIENTIST TESLA.
I HOPE IT'S GOING TO BE A KICK ASS SHOW.
I HAVEN'T GOT TO ATTEND VERY MANY ROCK CONCERTS IN MY LIFE.
TESLA WILL BE PERFORMING AN ALL ACOUSTIC SHOW TONIGHT, HERE
IN TULSA!
As for war, wars always come. As a species, we seem to survive
them. It's interesting that democracies don't fight democracies.
We've pretty much infected the rest of the world with Democracy.
Except China... That's going to be a tough one. But... they might
become democratic. I mean, who'd believe the Soviet Union was going to
tumble? That was something for Clancy to write about, not to happen in
the real world. Yet the firefight at the Russian White House that Clancy
wrote in Red Storm Rising, happened. Hard to believe!
I WISH THIS COUNTRY WOULD BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT FROM
THE OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
I GUESS FUTURE NUCLEAR WAR WITH COMMUNIST CRAP SHODDY
S--T CHINA MIGHT JUST ACTUALLY HAPPEN OVER THE SHIT THAT WE ALL
CALL OIL!
But when you look at it, the larger the nation, the more people in
the chain of command who have kids and families they would not wish a
war to kill. Just as when you add more parts to a gadget, when you add
more people to a system, it becomes less reliable, less able to carry
out it's nefarious purposes. Especially nefarious purposes! The
fiction of Fu Manchu is one thing, real life is quite another.
Life is an adventure, Clyde!
I WANT TO LIVE LIFE TO ITS FULLEST!
AN INFINITE OBSTACLE COURSE STANDS FOREVER IN MY WAY!
Even if just watching it unfold in
the evening news.
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Apr 22 17:45:47 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply
In-Reply-To: <20050422153854.66886.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 22, 2005 08:38:54 AM
Message-ID: <20050423004543.40379.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I dunno, Clyde, I've got a friend who's an engineer, inventor, etc.
> (IQ above 190) who uses those symbols and the IC's as being so much
> simpler than building them himself. Maybe what you are seeking is the
> specifications behind the symbol, or some sense of concreteness that the
> symbol does not provide some layer of your mind.
> YES, THAT IS IT!
> THE CONCRETENESS BEHIND THE SYMBOL!
> THE REAL MCCOY SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, AND ENGINEERING,
> BEHIND THE NEVERENDING DUMBASS SYMBOL!
I see you are not a programmer. Many sophisticated schematics
would grow very large if we didn't simplify things to symbols. We do
that all the time in programming using subroutine calls.
Do you, perhaps, have some short term memory problems? That might
explain some of the frustration in dealing with some types of symbology.
> I AM INTERESTED ONLY IN HIGH POWER: HIGH VOLTAGE, HIGH CURRENT,
> (AND IN CERTAIN CASES; HIGH FREQUENCY,) SOLID STATE, AND OTHER
> ELECTRONICS, AND ELECTRICAL TECHNOLOGY ENGINEERING!
Interesting. Perhaps also characteristic of trying to avoid having
to worry about the details, whether the signal falls in this or that
band, requiring this or that amplification factor. I've blown a number
of IC's up myself. I'm not much good at electronics, just software.
Some digital circuits, though. Digital is easy, more or less.
But in the greater sense, a lot of life's stuff is in the details,
subtilities, implications, etc. Look at some of the classical pastel or
watercolor artworks. It's all in the subtility of the picture. Oils
just don't have it. My mother use to paint in both oils and
watercolors. The watercolors were far, far nicer. You might also look
at some of Chiurlionis' works on the web.
The brain is a chaos, the heart is a synchrony. The brain has a
seizure when it synchronizes, the heart goes into fibrillation when it
desynchronizes and becomes chaotic.
We live in the statistical bright spots and shadows of caustics on
the bottom of a pool of water, as tiny ripples bend the sun's rays,
aligning them to create bright spots here, and darker spots there.
Even a man's legacy is a statistical pattern of change upon the
world; for seldom do we get free play to alter in a major way the winds
blowing through humanities lives. Yet a few words of interest about
this, an observation about that... well stated things live on.
> Yet in both Rome and Athens, eventually dictatorial types won out,
> and the resulting economics no longer favored such risk taking,
> philosophy, etc.
> YEAH, IT IS REALLY SHITTY THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS NOT
> PROGRESSED FURTHER, TECHNICALLY, IN SPACE!
Nixon's legacy...
> YEAH, THE U.S. NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE MOON, IN MY OPINION,
> AND DO MINING, AND OTHER THINGS.
We don't know if that would be profitable.
> HOW ABOUT THE CO-EXISTANCE OF CREATION AND EVOLUTION?
Evolution and creationism are concepts used to describe how we got
here, no more. We have but vague statistical evidence for the true
path by which we got here.
But what of it? Our destiny has passed more into our hands than in
the hands of evolution. We create our own environments, reward those
fulfilling our own desires. No longer does the prize go to the
strongest, or the ones most able to withstand cold and famine. Those
were the American Indians, and they lost to the social accumulations due
to the creativity and curiosity of the Europeans. In other words, we
had invented guns, and they hadn't. We had far more robust and capable
systems of creating and distributing goods, etc. We might freeze to
death trying to live the way they did; but we had enough intellectual
capital, ideas turned into stoves, locomotives, etc. that didn't have
to live as they did.
> Anyone else like to comment on this hypothesis? I mean, I could
> be full of beans. (Actually, legumes, beans are tomorrow on my rotating
> diet.)
>
> I DON'T THINK I HAVE EVER HAD LEGUMES; PACAY BEANS; ICE CREAM
Legumes are all of the beans, from peas to peanuts, azuki beans to
yellow beans (and maybe some name beginning with z), with maybe 16,000 -
19,000 species with over 290 species eaten by man. Soy beans are
common. You've probably eaten some form of legumes.
> BEANS, BY THEMSELVES, IN THEIR NATUAL FORMS.
> ARE THEY GOOD, BY THEMSELVES ALONE???
Protein and carbohydrates. Soy beans are commonly used to make
tofu. Wildwood Natural Foods has some wonderful Soy Yogurt smoothies,
loaded with good gut bacteria. In fact, if you think you have candida,
these things are loaded with good gut bacteria and would really help
fight the candida. Might do you some good. Just make sure you haven't
avoided beans because of some allergies.
> > size of the universe, even with a thousand trillion humanoid-inhabited
> > planets, the chances of two being at the same development for a mere
> > few hundred years is extremely low. > Which is another way of saying
>
> Pretty much rare. But also, if the speed of light is a serious
> barrier, then distance becomes almost insurmountable. For many of the
> explorers, what good is exploring if you can't come back and brag about
> it? Where's the prestige? Where's the adoration of those who use to be
> your peers?
>
> RIGHT ON!
> THE NAVIGATION OF SPACE AND TIME, I THINK, WILL HAVE TO BE MAPPED,
> USING TETRAHEDRAL GRIDWORK; MAYBE I'M WRONG; MAYBE THAT IS
> AN EXTREMIST POINT OF VIEW???
"Mapped" is an interesting way of putting it. Mapping the methods
of navigation, or the navigation itself. And a gridwork... well... as
you look at maps, you see that much isn't really grids, but projections
of surfaces... or multi-dimensional relationships
Which brings to mind something about people who don't get enough
sleep. They start thinking about grids, roots, spiderwebs. It's a sign
of certain types of sleep deprivation. How much sleep are you getting?
That may well be a part of the over-all problem, which manifests itself
as pessimism, need for stimulants, relaxants, etc.
> IT ISN'T MY WILL TO TAKE MY OWN LIFE; YET LIFE HURTS SO MUCH, FOR
Good you plan to stay around.
> ME, THAT INSTEAD OF A STANDARD DRUG ADDICTION, I WILL TAKE THE
> EXTREMIST STANCE ON THIS ISSUE, AND SAY, THAT I NEED AN INFINITE
> "OVER"-DOSE OF PAINKILLERS TO GET ME THROUGH LIFE, INTO THE
> FUTURE NOW!
I don't know... Real pain? Or psychic pain and fear of what is
happening? fear of not being in control?
> PROGRESS IS IN EXTREME SLOW MOTION NOW, AND IT IS BOTH
> DISTRESSING, AND AS FRUSTRATING AS HELL!
if you think it's slow now... it was a lot slower in the 1950's,
which is a freight train roaring down the track compared to what went on
in the Roman Empire!
> LIFE HAS BECOME AN ABSOLUTE OBSTACLE COURSE.
> ABSOLUTELY DIFFICULT.
Difficult, but not absolutely. It wouldn't be interesting if it
weren't difficult, and then we'd probably die of boredom.
> AND I DO GO AGAINST THE GRAIN, YET THAT IS STILL INSUFFICIENT.
> I NEED TO BLAST AGAINST THE GRAIN I GUESS!
Why?
> and far, FAR more Interesting!
>
> YES, MUCH OF LIFE IS VERY INTERESTING, BUT MUCH OF LIFE IS FULL OF
> CEASELESS SENSELESS NEVERENDING NONSENSE; PARTICULARLY IN
> THIS STUPID MODERN COMMERCIALISM CRAP SOCIETY THAT WE HAVE TO
> PUT UP WITH; ITS CEASELESS BULLSHIT!
Well, if we didn't have commercialism, we wouldn't have all the
toys we have now, like TV, computers, etc. It's trying to find the
needs and desires of the common man and woman, and then making something
which they feel is worth buying. No one is forcing them to buy.
> > What will your life be like next year? Five years from now?
>
> I INTEND FOR THEM TO BE EXCELLENT, YET I AM FLYING INTO THE FUTURE
> BEYOND FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET, AND CANNOT SLOW DOWN.
> I AM ASSIMILATING KNOWLEDGE THROUGH INTERNET RESEARCH AT SUCH
> A SPEED RATE OF TIME, THAT THE STRESS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE
> THE EARLY DEATH OF MY LIFE.
I doubt it.
> Plan for those years, set
> goals,
>
> A FUTURE OF BROKEN PLANS!
> I'VE GOT PILES OF PAPER, THAT ARE FULL OF SO MANY GOALS, AND I AM
> MOST GENERALLY AT INFORMATION OVERLOAD AND COMMUNICATION
> BREAKDOWN, BECAUSE OF THE NONSENSE OF MONEY.
Plans are often abandoned when better things are seen. But plans
set a direction, a perspective for the mind.
I have yet to see a better way of distributing goods and services
than the use of money as a medium of exchange.
Of course, it can be a problem when one does not have enough. As I
well know!
> Give yourself A REASON to WANT to live!
>
>
> I'VE GOT PLENTY OF REASONS TO LIVE!
> BUT MONEY THOUGH, WANTS TO BE THE DEATH OF US ALL, I GUESS!
Money itself can not want.
> I HAVE BECOME AN ADRENALINE JUNKIE, AND I NEED TO BE DETOXED
> OF ALL NEUROTOXINS!
>
> I'VE BEEN NEGLECTING MY HEALTH FOR SUCH A LONG TIME, PURSUING
> MATERIAL GAINS, AND HAVE HAD TO SUFFER EXTENSIVELY, FROM BOTH
> LACK OF COMPLETION OF THE MATERIAL GAINS, AND PROJECTS, AS WELL
> AS FROM HEALTH PROBLEM TOO.
> You're not that bad off, Clyde. Plenty of hope for the future for
> you. Besides, we don't have enough mad scientists on this list as it
> is. We'd hate to lose you.
>
> WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTIONS OF LEAVING THIS LIST; THIS IS ONE
> OF THE COOLEST PLACES THAT I HAVE FOUND ON THE NET!
Thankyou.
> SOMETHING THAT I HOPE IS GOING TO BE COOL TONIGHT; I AM GOING
> TO GO TO THE ROCK CONCERT, FOR THE ROCK BAND; TESLA, NAMED
> AFTER THE SCIENTIST TESLA.
Oy! Rock music! I absolutely HATE rock music! It's such an absurd
way of destroying one's hearing!
Classical music has so much more to it! There are wonderful
military marches, and such delicate pieces like "Prelude to the
Afternoon of the Faun" or some such work by Debussy, Sate's Gymnopedies
and Gnossiens series... (which I probably mangled the spelling of) And
Vivaldi has such stirring, brain stimulating music... Rock music? It's
just such crap in comparison!
> I WISH THIS COUNTRY WOULD BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT FROM
> THE OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
I don't know. With all the crazy geniuses in this nation, I think
we have a better chance than most other nations. I think nuclear,
solar, and wind are the way to go.
> I GUESS FUTURE NUCLEAR WAR WITH COMMUNIST CRAP SHODDY
> S--T CHINA MIGHT JUST ACTUALLY HAPPEN OVER THE SHIT THAT WE ALL
> CALL OIL!
Who knows. But I don't think we will have a full nuclear exchange.
> Life is an adventure, Clyde!
>
> I WANT TO LIVE LIFE TO ITS FULLEST!
> AN INFINITE OBSTACLE COURSE STANDS FOREVER IN MY WAY!
It's part of the adventure!
> Even if just watching it unfold in
> the evening news.
>
> THE EVENING NEWS IS MOSTLY FULL OF SHIT!
That may be, but there are interesting things out there. Like the
research just announced on the potential of human hibernation. Or the
Shuttle soon to resume operation.
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Apr 23 13:39:32 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr 23 10:40:06 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply
Message-ID: <1f2.865714d.2f9be254@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/22/2005 8:46:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
javilk@mall-net.com writes:
> I WISH THIS COUNTRY WOULD BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT FROM
> THE OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
I don't know. With all the crazy geniuses in this nation, I think
we have a better chance than most other nations. I think nuclear,
solar, and wind are the way to go.
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Can anyone explain to me why science is IGNORING tidal power.
My dad once told me a story about FDR and his push for the BAY OF FUNDY work
in Maine.
Part of the WPA projects, the theory was that enough power could be produced
to supply electricity to satisfy the then needs of the eastern sea board
from Me. to Fl. and west to the Mississippi river. ( At that time, not now
naturally )
Dad told me he had met people who worked on the project and the work had
gone so far as installing Turbines. Work stopped on the project when WW2 came
about. The whole shebang was placed in storage mode, the workers were
re-routed to the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, in Kittery Me. where they actually
produced one submarine every 6 weeks.
A couple of months ago I read about a young man who won a LOT of money in a
science fair by devising a machine that could generate electricity using
tidal power. I wonder what happened to this young man, were his achievements
placed aside by the oil cartel? His award money had to come from somewhere, he
would feel indebted to the source or made to feel that way.
Weather changes the wind patterns, clouds cover the sun and the axis of this
planet changes the solar strength, nuclear power has so far been dependable,
but what to do with the humungus amount of waste produced.
Tidal power is the one constant this planet has thanks to our moon and
gravity. No waste to dispose of, think of the jobs this would produce, The west
coast, the east coast, how many miles of tidal area would this cover ?
Iceland uses their thermal power to advantage, smart people. In old times
the people of the far north used snow and ice to construct their shelters. I
could find hundreds of examples of nations that turned a natural occurrence into
benefit to the citizens.
Regards Vesta
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Apr 23 18:31:08 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Apr 23 11:31:11 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply
In-Reply-To: <1f2.865714d.2f9be254@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 23,
2005 01:39:32 PM
Message-ID: <20050423183108.76824.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > I WISH THIS COUNTRY WOULD BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT FROM
> > THE OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
>
> I don't know. With all the crazy geniuses in this nation, I think
> we have a better chance than most other nations. I think nuclear,
> solar, and wind are the way to go.
> 888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888
> Can anyone explain to me why science is IGNORING tidal power.
Return on Investment, aka ROI.
Tidal power has several problems, the construction of massive
dams, silt and sand, salt, and environmentalists. Something like the
Bay of Fundy would require quite a structure to dam up, and a hefty
number of turbines. or something to handle.
> My dad once told me a story about FDR and his push for the BAY OF FUNDY work
> in Maine.
>
> Part of the WPA projects, the theory was that enough power could be produced
> to supply electricity to satisfy the then needs of the eastern sea board
> from Me. to Fl. and west to the Mississippi river. ( At that time, not now
> naturally )
(Yes, Our energy needs have gone up quite a bit, I think...)
Can you imagine the environmentalists on something like that?
There has been a lot of talk and plans for off-shore windmills around
Cape Cod. Environmentalists are fighting against that one tooth and
nail! (Ah, what's the alternative, coal, gas, and nuclear? Which is
worse???)
> A couple of months ago I read about a young man who won a LOT of money in a
> science fair by devising a machine that could generate electricity using
> tidal power. I wonder what happened to this young man, were his achievements
> placed aside by the oil cartel? His award money had to come from somewhere, he
> would feel indebted to the source or made to feel that way.
First, our reporters are not very well educated, nor motivated.
Some of the news articles I've seen about things that I have insider
knowledge look like they are Public Relations stories by industry hacks,
not objective news stories. So when a reporter writes about some new
energy development, especially a non-science reporter... I have serious
doubts taking it at face value. And by the time I hear of that story
second or third hand... Ha Ha Ha!
> Weather changes the wind patterns, clouds cover the sun and the axis of this
> planet changes the solar strength, nuclear power has so far been dependable,
> but what to do with the humungus amount of waste produced.
Syntax error in reply... Unable to parse.
> Tidal power is the one constant this planet has thanks to our moon and
> gravity. No waste to dispose of, think of the jobs this would produce, The west
> coast, the east coast, how many miles of tidal area would this cover ?
First you have to survey the sand movement problems, This causes
fear of major changes to local beaches.
The construction of dams across estuaries and bays, which is what
you have to do to really get a lot of power, will alter boating access,
etc. Think of how all the local residents would oppose the loss of their
private little docks and beaches, and subsequent reduction in property
values.
These dams will restrict fish movement, causing major changes in
wetlands and tidal areas. Many species move in and out of these areas,
feeding, laying eggs, etc. This alters fish, lobster, and other
harvesting operations.
These points will form alliances between environmentalists and local
residents to oppose such things in major ways.
We are already seeing this regarding plans for off-shore windmills
around Cape Cod.
Then you have the investment problems. Gas fired electric
generation is made of proven technologies with known costs and known
returns.
Tidal? No one really knows what the costs would be to maintain the
stuff. All new technologies, all new designs. No clear life cycle
costs. Not even clear what the problems will be!
Bottom line is that we haven't a clue! And investors demand a lot
more than just a clue. That's why it would take an act of congress...
and then what kind of people are going to come to the feeding trough?
Right, Pigs with no intent for real success, just make it look like
we're doing something, studying the problem... or trying to build it
cheap with no real regard for it lasting, etc.
I mean, just look what we did with the space shuttle. It's crap.
It was over-designed in many ways to sell it to various interests for
political support. As a result, it's way too big, too expensive to
operate, etc. And it soaked up funds which might have gone to a lot of
other research.
Back in the 30's and 40's, we believed we could do anything! In
the 50's we believed we could use nuclear power to dig another canal
across Panama, or even Mexico. As we became wiser, we saw that
technology wasn't suited for human use, at least not in that manner.
> Iceland uses their thermal power to advantage, smart people. In old times
> the people of the far north used snow and ice to construct their shelters. I
> could find hundreds of examples of nations that turned a natural occurrence into
> benefit to the citizens.
Yep. It's also got a very different breed of people.
Personally, I think we need to build some tidal generation systems,
just to see what they would be capable of doing and what the total
costs, monetary and ecological, would be. I think that the Bay of
Fundy, Long Island Sound, portions of the greater San Francisco Bay
area, and some other areas could be utilized quite effectively for tidal
energy generation. But it's not going to happen. And even if it is
effective for one thing, it will harm other uses. The reduction in
mixing of waters can cause serious impacts, including stagnation and
consequent build-up of decomposing organic matter.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Apr 23 14:51:34 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Apr 23 14:52:32 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply
In-Reply-To: <20050423183108.76824.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050423215134.97267.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > I WISH THIS COUNTRY WOULD BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT FROM
> > THE OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
I mean, just look what we did with the space shuttle. It's crap.
I AGREE, 100%, THAT THE SPACE SHUTTLE IS CRAP!
IT ISN'T THAT I HATE THE SPACE SHUTTLE, LIKE I ABSOLUTELY HATE
PETROLEUM OIL, BUT THE SPACE SHUTTLE IS TOO DAMNED LARGE, AND
TOO OVERKILL; PARTICULARLY IN ALL OF ITS INSTRUMENTATION.
MY DECEASED FATHER FIRST WORKED FOR ROCKWELL INT., THEN FOR
MCDONNELL DOUGLAS, AND AFTER MCDONNELL DOUGLAS LAID HIM
OFF, HE EVENTUALLY WORKED FOR BOEING, BEFORE HIS DEATH IN 99'.
HE CLAIMED THAT HE WAS THE MAIN ENGINEER FOR THE 'GRAPHITE'
DESIGN, OF THE DOORS OF THE SPACE SHUTTLE, BUT I HAVE ALWAYS
BEEN A SKEPTIC OF THAT ACTUALLY BEING THE CASE, BECAUSE MY DAD
ALWAYS TALKED A LOT OF SHIT, AND HYPED THINGS UP.
HE GAVE ME A SPACE SHUTTLE MANUAL, FOR CHRISTMAS, BACK WHEN I
WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, IN THE 80'S, BUT AT THAT AGE, IT WAS
OF VERY LITTLE IMPORATANCE TO ME, BUT NOW, LOOKING BACK, I
WISH THAT I WOULD HAVE KEPT THAT BOOK, BECAUSE I COULD POSSIBLY
BENEFIT FROM IT, WHERE I AM AT NOW IN MY LIFE!
ALSO, THE SPEAK AND SPELL THAT I HAD WHEN I WAS A KID; I WISH I
WOULD HAVE KEPT THAT TOO, BECAUSE IT IS A COLLECTORS ITEM IN
TODAY'S WORLD!
OH WELL, I HAVE A DAMN GOOD SPEECH SYNTH NOW, THE D.C. AND D.
TS2010X SPEECH SYNTHESIZER!
I AM GOING TO KEEP IT FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!
It was over-designed in many ways to sell it to various interests for
political support. As a result, it's way too big, too expensive to
operate, etc. And it soaked up funds which might have gone to a lot of
other research.
Back in the 30's and 40's, we believed we could do anything! In
the 50's we believed we could use nuclear power to dig another canal
across Panama, or even Mexico. As we became wiser, we saw that
technology wasn't suited for human use, at least not in that manner.
> Iceland uses their thermal power to advantage, smart people. In old times
> the people of the far north used snow and ice to construct their shelters. I
> could find hundreds of examples of nations that turned a natural occurrence into
> benefit to the citizens.
Yep. It's also got a very different breed of people.
Personally, I think we need to build some tidal generation systems,
just to see what they would be capable of doing and what the total
costs, monetary and ecological, would be. I think that the Bay of
Fundy, Long Island Sound, portions of the greater San Francisco Bay
area, and some other areas could be utilized quite effectively for tidal
energy generation. But it's not going to happen. And even if it is
effective for one thing, it will harm other uses. The reduction in
mixing of waters can cause serious impacts, including stagnation and
consequent build-up of decomposing organic matter.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Apr 24 22:44:33 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Apr 24 15:44:43 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply
In-Reply-To: <20050423215134.97267.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 23, 2005 02:51:34 PM
Message-ID: <20050424224433.79882.qmail@mall-net.com>
With all that's happened in the lsat two days, I forget if I replied
to this.
> OFF, HE EVENTUALLY WORKED FOR BOEING, BEFORE HIS DEATH IN 99'.
> HE CLAIMED THAT HE WAS THE MAIN ENGINEER FOR THE 'GRAPHITE'
> DESIGN, OF THE DOORS OF THE SPACE SHUTTLE, BUT I HAVE ALWAYS
> BEEN A SKEPTIC OF THAT ACTUALLY BEING THE CASE, BECAUSE MY DAD
> ALWAYS TALKED A LOT OF SHIT, AND HYPED THINGS UP.
Some people are like that.
I've just been given word that I ought to be looking to move to
some other little spot elsewhere. Landlord is passing this property on
to his offspring, who wantto build... Probably right were I am now.
> HE GAVE ME A SPACE SHUTTLE MANUAL, FOR CHRISTMAS, BACK WHEN I
> WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, IN THE 80'S, BUT AT THAT AGE, IT WAS
> OF VERY LITTLE IMPORATANCE TO ME, BUT NOW, LOOKING BACK, I
> WISH THAT I WOULD HAVE KEPT THAT BOOK, BECAUSE I COULD POSSIBLY
> BENEFIT FROM IT, WHERE I AM AT NOW IN MY LIFE!
It's a memento of your father's and your life.
> ALSO, THE SPEAK AND SPELL THAT I HAD WHEN I WAS A KID; I WISH I
> WOULD HAVE KEPT THAT TOO, BECAUSE IT IS A COLLECTORS ITEM IN
> TODAY'S WORLD!
Childhood toys take on new meaning as we age. I remember a large
stack of comic books that got thrown away. They would probably have
been worth quite a bit today.
> OH WELL, I HAVE A DAMN GOOD SPEECH SYNTH NOW, THE D.C. AND D.
> TS2010X SPEECH SYNTHESIZER!
> I AM GOING TO KEEP IT FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!
But in the long run, things don't matter as much as you do. My
parents fled the old country, leaving many, many things behind. One of
their friends had just gotten new furniture, something he had wanted
most of his life. He couldn't abandon that. And so when the soviets
troops marched through... he died protecting his furniture. Not a
bright thing to do. My grandfather was wealthy. And smart! They
gathered up enough food, some cash, and left a lot of gold and silver,
many in the form of old coins, beind in the house. Gold wasn't as
valuable as food, nor their lives.
With health and a mind, and a positive mental attitude you can
always rebuild your life.
One of my clients was recording and selling talks for an Alcoholics
Anonymous group, and hired me to design a database system for them. As
is my custom, I went to see what exactly was being produced, and how
such a system could be used. In the course of that, I attended one or
two full AA meetings and spent some time at other meetings to discuss
the system with some of the other people who would use it.
(Just for the record, I don't drink alcohol, never could stand the
stuff, and this coming after my fungal illness, I am highly allergic to
yeasts and yeast products. Not to mention the aldehydes and ketones
given off by someone who's had too much to drink! Even the strong smell
of beer is enough to drop my blood pressure to the point where I have to
sit down. A major sore point up here where most of my neighbors are
drunks.)
The tales of how badly some of these people failed, sometimes
literally waking up in the gutter; and how, once they got off alcohol,
they managed to re-build their lives, were amazing! And came at just
the right time for me, because I was trying to rebuild my own life after
being sick for over three years.
If you ever think all is done and hope is lost; just go to an AA
meeting to listen to what others have survived. If the group sells
tapes of the talks, buy some.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 15:55:38 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Apr 25 15:55:50 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE.
Message-ID: <20050425225538.59617.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
IT'S INTERESTING WHAT I HAVE LEARNED, ABOUT
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA
LOTUS, AND THE ROSE.
THE LOTUS REPRESENTS BOTH PURITY AND PERFECTION.
THE ROSE REPRESENTS BOTH POISON AND PROTECTION.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK THAT BOTH THE LOTUS
AND THE ROSE, EQUALLY REPRESENT PEACE!
IT IS VERY COOL, WHAT I HAVE LEARNED FROM MY STUDY
OF THE LOTUS!
THE ROSE IS AN EMETIC, MEANING THAT IT IS A VOMIT
INDUCER, AND THE LOTUS ON THE OTHER HAND, IS 100%
(WHOLISTICALLY) WHOLLY EDIBLE, AND IS USED AS A
FOOD!
CRAZY AND STRANGE, BUT VERY TRUE!
CLYDE LOFTON.
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 16:05:16 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Mon Apr 25 16:06:18 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050425230516.29916.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
my wife ( the witchy person in the relationship) says
you can eat rose petals and rosehips. I've eaten
rosehips before. neither of us has eaten the thorns.
confused Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
>
> IT'S INTERESTING WHAT I HAVE LEARNED, ABOUT
> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA
> LOTUS, AND THE ROSE.
> THE LOTUS REPRESENTS BOTH PURITY AND PERFECTION.
> THE ROSE REPRESENTS BOTH POISON AND PROTECTION.
> ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK THAT BOTH THE LOTUS
> AND THE ROSE, EQUALLY REPRESENT PEACE!
> IT IS VERY COOL, WHAT I HAVE LEARNED FROM MY STUDY
> OF THE LOTUS!
> THE ROSE IS AN EMETIC, MEANING THAT IT IS A VOMIT
> INDUCER, AND THE LOTUS ON THE OTHER HAND, IS 100%
> (WHOLISTICALLY) WHOLLY EDIBLE, AND IS USED AS A
> FOOD!
> CRAZY AND STRANGE, BUT VERY TRUE!
>
> CLYDE LOFTON.
>
>
>
>
>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 26 01:43:48 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Apr 25 18:43:55 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE.
In-Reply-To: <20050425230516.29916.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at Apr 25, 2005 04:05:16 PM
Message-ID: <20050426014348.53781.qmail@mall-net.com>
> my wife ( the witchy person in the relationship) says
> you can eat rose petals and rosehips. I've eaten
> rosehips before. neither of us has eaten the thorns.
Rosehips are a source of vitamin C, bioflavinoids, and a few other
things. However, they can be far more irritating in quantity than pure
vitamin C.
> > IT'S INTERESTING WHAT I HAVE LEARNED, ABOUT
> > THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA
> > LOTUS, AND THE ROSE.
> > THE LOTUS REPRESENTS BOTH PURITY AND PERFECTION.
There is also symbology of not being fully conscious.
> > THE ROSE REPRESENTS BOTH POISON AND PROTECTION.
The thorns, some royal house, etc.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 19:47:22 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Apr 25 19:48:15 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050426024722.904.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
> my wife ( the witchy person in the relationship) says
> you can eat rose petals and rosehips. I've eaten
> rosehips before. neither of us has eaten the thorns.
DID YOU FEEL SICK AT YOUR STOMACH, AT ALL, AFTERWARDS,
WHEN YOU ATE THE ROSEHIPS???
Rosehips are a source of vitamin C, bioflavinoids, and a few other
things. However, they can be far more irritating in quantity than pure
vitamin C.
> > IT'S INTERESTING WHAT I HAVE LEARNED, ABOUT
> > THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA
> > LOTUS, AND THE ROSE.
> > THE LOTUS REPRESENTS BOTH PURITY AND PERFECTION.
There is also symbology of not being fully conscious.
DREAMY INDOLENCE, ACCORDING TO THE LEGEND THAT I HAVE
READ ABOUT, IN DEFINITIONS!
> > THE ROSE REPRESENTS BOTH POISON AND PROTECTION.
The thorns, some royal house, etc.
YEAH, I DIDN'T EXPAND ON MY MENTION OF THE WORD: PROTECTION.
PROTECTION IN THE SENSE OF THE THORNS BEING A DEFENSE
'MECHANISM'!
AND REGARDING THE POISON PART; POISON RELATING TO THE
VOMIT INDUCING NATURE OF ROSE WATER.
I PURCHASED A BOTTLE OF ROSE WATER, AND DRANK AN AMOUNT
THAT WAS MORE THAN A FEW DROPS; MORE LIKE TWO SHOT
GLASSES WORTH OF IT; I DIDN'T VOMIT AFTERWARDS, BUT IF I WOULD
HAVE DRANK JUST THE SLIGHTEST BIT MORE, I WOULD HAVE
DEFINATELY VOMITED!
I LOVE THE SMELL OF ROSES AND THE SMELL OF ROSE WATER, BUT IT ISN'T
GOOD FOR CONSUMPTION, UNLESS VOMITING IS SOMETHING THAT IS
REQUIRED, AS IN SOME FORM OF INTOXICATING EMERGENCIES.
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 19:50:23 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Mon Apr 25 19:50:31 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050426025023.67483.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com>
clyde,
no sickness. where did you get your info?
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
>
> > my wife ( the witchy person in the relationship)
> says
> > you can eat rose petals and rosehips. I've eaten
> > rosehips before. neither of us has eaten the
> thorns.
>
> DID YOU FEEL SICK AT YOUR STOMACH, AT ALL,
> AFTERWARDS,
> WHEN YOU ATE THE ROSEHIPS???
>
> Rosehips are a source of vitamin C, bioflavinoids,
> and a few other
> things. However, they can be far more irritating in
> quantity than pure
> vitamin C.
>
> > > IT'S INTERESTING WHAT I HAVE LEARNED, ABOUT
> > > THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA
> > > LOTUS, AND THE ROSE.
> > > THE LOTUS REPRESENTS BOTH PURITY AND PERFECTION.
>
> There is also symbology of not being fully
> conscious.
>
> DREAMY INDOLENCE, ACCORDING TO THE LEGEND THAT I
> HAVE
>
> READ ABOUT, IN DEFINITIONS!
>
> > > THE ROSE REPRESENTS BOTH POISON AND PROTECTION.
>
> The thorns, some royal house, etc.
>
> YEAH, I DIDN'T EXPAND ON MY MENTION OF THE WORD:
> PROTECTION.
>
> PROTECTION IN THE SENSE OF THE THORNS BEING A
> DEFENSE
>
> 'MECHANISM'!
>
> AND REGARDING THE POISON PART; POISON RELATING TO
> THE
>
> VOMIT INDUCING NATURE OF ROSE WATER.
>
> I PURCHASED A BOTTLE OF ROSE WATER, AND DRANK AN
> AMOUNT
>
> THAT WAS MORE THAN A FEW DROPS; MORE LIKE TWO SHOT
>
> GLASSES WORTH OF IT; I DIDN'T VOMIT AFTERWARDS, BUT
> IF I WOULD
>
> HAVE DRANK JUST THE SLIGHTEST BIT MORE, I WOULD HAVE
>
> DEFINATELY VOMITED!
>
> I LOVE THE SMELL OF ROSES AND THE SMELL OF ROSE
> WATER, BUT IT ISN'T
>
> GOOD FOR CONSUMPTION, UNLESS VOMITING IS SOMETHING
> THAT IS
>
> REQUIRED, AS IN SOME FORM OF INTOXICATING
> EMERGENCIES.
>
>
>
>
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Tue Apr 26 05:52:15 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr 26 02:52:28 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE.
Message-ID: <15d.4fad354b.2f9f694f@aol.com>
The lotus is very interesting to the people who delve into the mysteries of
Egypt.
Seen everywhere in ancient Egypt, huge stone pillars to the tomb paintings.
The lotus plant of that time is now extinct, we do have a few rare plants
that are close but not the real deal.
Some experts believe the lotus had a chemical that caused a reaction in
humans, a Viagra of sorts. What ever it was, the entire nation of Egypt went
ga-ga over the plant.
The Chinese and Indian populations also seemed to be in love with the lotus.
Strange that a flower of one species would become the basis of songs, love
stories, art, tapestries and sculpture in the ancient world.
Then you have the rose, in the latter part of the 19th. century the British
and Americans went a bit daft over their roses. Today a new specie of rose is
given much publicity and fan fare.
The amount of money spent to cultivate the rose plants boggles my mind. The
time and energy to maintain the plants is a bit excessive.
Perhaps human nature has not changed in the last 5,000 years when it comes
to beauty.
Regards, Vesta
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 07:19:10 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Apr 26 07:19:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050426141910.28045.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
Robert Juliano wrote:
clyde,
no sickness. where did you get your info?
VARIOUS INTERNET SOURCES, AND SOME BOOKS, ALTHOUGH THE
INTERNET IS FULL OF THE BEST INFORMATION ON NELUMBO NUCIFERA!
THE REASON FOR MY CURIOUSITY ABOUT THE LOTUS, IS FROM THE
SONG: FREEWILL, BY THE ROCK BAND: RUSH.
IT MENTIONS LOTUSLAND IN THE SONG, AND I WANTED TO FIND OUT
THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE LOTUS FLOWER!
I WILL BE FINISHING PART THREE OF MY LISTS OF WEBLINKS HOPEFULLY
THIS WEEK, AND IT WILL HAVE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON
NELUMBO NUCIFERA.
CLYDE
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
>
> > my wife ( the witchy person in the relationship)
> says
> > you can eat rose petals and rosehips. I've eaten
> > rosehips before. neither of us has eaten the
> thorns.
>
> DID YOU FEEL SICK AT YOUR STOMACH, AT ALL,
> AFTERWARDS,
> WHEN YOU ATE THE ROSEHIPS???
>
> Rosehips are a source of vitamin C, bioflavinoids,
> and a few other
> things. However, they can be far more irritating in
> quantity than pure
> vitamin C.
>
> > > IT'S INTERESTING WHAT I HAVE LEARNED, ABOUT
> > > THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA
> > > LOTUS, AND THE ROSE.
> > > THE LOTUS REPRESENTS BOTH PURITY AND PERFECTION.
>
> There is also symbology of not being fully
> conscious.
>
> DREAMY INDOLENCE, ACCORDING TO THE LEGEND THAT I
> HAVE
>
> READ ABOUT, IN DEFINITIONS!
>
> > > THE ROSE REPRESENTS BOTH POISON AND PROTECTION.
>
> The thorns, some royal house, etc.
>
> YEAH, I DIDN'T EXPAND ON MY MENTION OF THE WORD:
> PROTECTION.
>
> PROTECTION IN THE SENSE OF THE THORNS BEING A
> DEFENSE
>
> 'MECHANISM'!
>
> AND REGARDING THE POISON PART; POISON RELATING TO
> THE
>
> VOMIT INDUCING NATURE OF ROSE WATER.
>
> I PURCHASED A BOTTLE OF ROSE WATER, AND DRANK AN
> AMOUNT
>
> THAT WAS MORE THAN A FEW DROPS; MORE LIKE TWO SHOT
>
> GLASSES WORTH OF IT; I DIDN'T VOMIT AFTERWARDS, BUT
> IF I WOULD
>
> HAVE DRANK JUST THE SLIGHTEST BIT MORE, I WOULD HAVE
>
> DEFINATELY VOMITED!
>
> I LOVE THE SMELL OF ROSES AND THE SMELL OF ROSE
> WATER, BUT IT ISN'T
>
> GOOD FOR CONSUMPTION, UNLESS VOMITING IS SOMETHING
> THAT IS
>
> REQUIRED, AS IN SOME FORM OF INTOXICATING
> EMERGENCIES.
>
>
>
>
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 07:46:09 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Apr 26 07:46:18 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE.
In-Reply-To: <15d.4fad354b.2f9f694f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050426144609.95047.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
Vesta111@aol.com wrote:The lotus is very interesting to the people who delve into the mysteries of Egypt.
YEAH, BUT THE LOTUS OF ANCIENT EGYPT WAS ACTUALLY THE NYMPHAEAE WATER
LILLY, AND THE NELUMBO (NUCIFERA) IS DIFFERENT.
NELUMBO HAS A SEED POD IN ITS CENTER THAT IS ACTUALLY A FRUIT.
I HAVEN' GOT TO TRY IT YET, BUT FROM WHAT I HAVE READ, IT IS SAID THAT THE
CHEMICAL AND/OR HORMONAL REACTION IN HUMANS WILL PRODUCE A FEELING
OF JOY THAT PERMEATES THE WHOLE BODY, EMANATING FROM EVERY CELL,
AND BEING DELIGHTFULLY WONERFUL, AND LASTING SOME TIME.
WHETHER THIS IS ACTUALLY TRUE OR NOT, EXPERIENCE WILL ONLY TELL!
Seen everywhere in ancient Egypt, huge stone pillars to the tomb paintings.
The lotus plant of that time is now extinct, we do have a few rare plants that are close but not the real deal.
THE BLUE (LOTUS (ACTUALLY) WATER LILLY OF THE NILE.
Some experts believe the lotus had a chemical that caused a reaction in humans, a Viagra of sorts. What ever it was, the entire nation of Egypt went ga-ga over the plant.
The Chinese and Indian populations also seemed to be in love with the lotus. Strange that a flower of one species would become the basis of songs, love stories, art, tapestries and sculpture in the ancient world.
THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA IS HIGHLY REVERED BY THE BUDDHISTS, AND THE
INDIANS OF INDIA.
NELUMBO NUCIFERA IS ALSO THE NATIONAL SYMBOL OF INDIA.
Then you have the rose, in the latter part of the 19th century the British and Americans went a bit daft over their roses. Today a new specie of rose is given much publicity and fan fare.
The amount of money spent to cultivate the rose plants boggles my mind. The time and energy to maintain the plants is a bit excessive.
I WISH THE WESTERN WORLD WOULD EXPEND AS MUCH ENERGY CULTIVATING
NELUMBO NUCIFERA, AS THEY DO, OVER IN INDIA, AND IN ASIA!
HERE ARE TWO WEBLINKS ON THE THIRD LIST OF WEBLINKS THAT I AM COMPILING:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelumbo_nucifera
http://store.asianfoodstuff.com/1462.html
Perhaps human nature has not changed in the last 5,000 years when it comes to beauty.
THE LOTUS; NELUMBO NUCIFERA MUST BE ONE OF THE BEST KEPT SECRETS
IN THE WESTERN WORLD TODAY!
SINCERELY, CLYDE
Regards, Vesta
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 10:10:33 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Apr 26 10:10:46 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality,
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050426171034.49767.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
> 3.) you could start work on a space craft
> http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm
> http://142.179.222.23/main.html
> http://arocket.mid-south.net/arocket1/
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO BUILD A SMALL SCALE SPACESHIP, BUT THAT'S
NOT ALL; I WANT TO BUILD PERFECT REDUNDANT MICRO
POWERPLANTS TOO; FOR BOTH GROUND, AND FOR SPACESHIP.
You would send this in the evening... I got lost in my past again!
Model rockety... I could smell the sulphury exhaust fumes, see the old
stuff flying again... my crude, fumble fingered models, rarely painted
more than one color, if that... each built more to prove a point, than
for art or altitude.
I guess my favorite was the H, fin rocket, because it was so
easy to glue two parallel fins on, then two across the ends in a double
cross-bar H pattern.
CAN VERY LARGE ROCKET ENGINES BE OBTAINED FROM A LOCAL
HOBBY SHOP?
I KNOW OF TWO HOBBY SHOPS HERE IN TULSA, ONE OF THEM IS
NOT VERY FAR FROM WHERE I LIVE.
RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY A ROCKET ENGINE.
WOULD GYROSCOPES BE REQUIRED, TO KEEP THE ROCKET ON
STABLIZED, ON A STRAIT TRAJECTORY INTO THE SKY???
And marvel at some of the new stuff! Barometric Altimeters that
chirp the altitude!
SOUNDS COOL, I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO BAROMETRIC ALTIMETERS, IF I
CAN FIND THE TIME, AND THE MONEY TO DO SO.
I loved launching the stuff! I founded a rocket club in my early
teens by just inviting a huge bunch of kids together, and showing them
what I got, how where to get the stuff and how to make the stuff. It
just took off! We didn't have a president; whoever's house we met at,
had to organize and run the meeting. The club ran till we graduated
five or six years later. That taught me not the science I already loved;
it taught me how to organize and lead people. That was something that
seemed not very useful at that age; but when I walked into the
corporate world, I already knew what to do in meetings, knew it better
than many engineers twice my age. The skills of participating and
running meetings where people, kids or adults, really argued about
technical details made a huge difference in my later life!
Thanks! It's three am... and I think I'm more than 15 years old
again. Darned! But at least I'm a lot smarter than I was then. The
things we would have done if we but had half the stuff we have now!
Gads, just an oscillator blinking a LED with some precision, laying down
a trace on a photograph at night would have made Al's flight calculus
stuff really meaningful to many of us.
OK!
SINCERELY, CLYDE
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 10:46:13 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Tue Apr 26 10:46:21 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality,
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050426174613.67386.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
for solid rocket fuel engines above a certain size (G,
I believe) you need to have an ATF permit.
gyroscopes are indeed a very good idea. so is a
navigation system. many libraries can help figure out
the navigation system needed.
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
>
>
> > 3.) you could start work on a space craft
> > http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm
> > http://142.179.222.23/main.html
> > http://arocket.mid-south.net/arocket1/
>
>
> YEAH, I'D LIKE TO BUILD A SMALL SCALE SPACESHIP, BUT
> THAT'S
>
> NOT ALL; I WANT TO BUILD PERFECT REDUNDANT MICRO
>
> POWERPLANTS TOO; FOR BOTH GROUND, AND FOR SPACESHIP.
>
> You would send this in the evening... I got lost in
> my past again!
> Model rockety... I could smell the sulphury exhaust
> fumes, see the old
> stuff flying again... my crude, fumble fingered
> models, rarely painted
> more than one color, if that... each built more to
> prove a point, than
> for art or altitude.
>
> I guess my favorite was the H, fin rocket, because
> it was so
> easy to glue two parallel fins on, then two across
> the ends in a double
> cross-bar H pattern.
>
>
> CAN VERY LARGE ROCKET ENGINES BE OBTAINED FROM A
> LOCAL
>
> HOBBY SHOP?
>
> I KNOW OF TWO HOBBY SHOPS HERE IN TULSA, ONE OF THEM
> IS
>
> NOT VERY FAR FROM WHERE I LIVE.
>
> RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY A ROCKET
> ENGINE.
>
> WOULD GYROSCOPES BE REQUIRED, TO KEEP THE ROCKET ON
>
> STABLIZED, ON A STRAIT TRAJECTORY INTO THE SKY???
>
>
> And marvel at some of the new stuff! Barometric
> Altimeters that
> chirp the altitude!
>
>
> SOUNDS COOL, I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO BAROMETRIC
> ALTIMETERS, IF I
>
> CAN FIND THE TIME, AND THE MONEY TO DO SO.
>
>
> I loved launching the stuff! I founded a rocket club
> in my early
> teens by just inviting a huge bunch of kids
> together, and showing them
> what I got, how where to get the stuff and how to
> make the stuff. It
> just took off! We didn't have a president; whoever's
> house we met at,
> had to organize and run the meeting. The club ran
> till we graduated
> five or six years later. That taught me not the
> science I already loved;
> it taught me how to organize and lead people. That
> was something that
> seemed not very useful at that age; but when I
> walked into the
> corporate world, I already knew what to do in
> meetings, knew it better
> than many engineers twice my age. The skills of
> participating and
> running meetings where people, kids or adults,
> really argued about
> technical details made a huge difference in my later
> life!
>
> Thanks! It's three am... and I think I'm more than
> 15 years old
> again. Darned! But at least I'm a lot smarter than I
> was then. The
> things we would have done if we but had half the
> stuff we have now!
> Gads, just an oscillator blinking a LED with some
> precision, laying down
> a trace on a photograph at night would have made
> Al's flight calculus
> stuff really meaningful to many of us.
>
> OK!
>
> SINCERELY, CLYDE
>
>
>
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Apr 26 14:22:06 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Tue Apr 26 11:22:15 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc.
Message-ID: <009601c54a8c$db564c70$6401a8c0@mikey>
The German V-2 used Goddard's liquid fueled engine, adjustable fins on the
exhaust, and a gyroscopic system to control them. Today's rockets use
adjustable exhaust discharge nozzles, controlled by simple analog or digital
computers.
Surplus gyroscopes from ballistic missiles are available at
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com. But you'd better hurry! I heard that
Al-Quaeda is snapping them up!
But reaction propulsion is not going to take us to the stars. It is simply
impossible to carry enough mass to eject from the craft to accomplish this.
Use relativistic bending of space, aka gravity, to provide reactionless
propulsion.
It takes incredible power- provided by low-temperature fusion. Several
experimenters have demonstrated reactionless propulsion, on a small scale,
using EM fields to bend space.
From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 26 18:51:13 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Apr 26 11:51:16 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality,
In-Reply-To: <20050426171034.49767.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 26, 2005 10:10:33 AM
Message-ID: <20050426185113.29671.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > 3.) you could start work on a space craft
> > http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm
> > http://142.179.222.23/main.html
> > http://arocket.mid-south.net/arocket1/
>
>
> YEAH, I'D LIKE TO BUILD A SMALL SCALE SPACESHIP, BUT THAT'S
> NOT ALL; I WANT TO BUILD PERFECT REDUNDANT MICRO
> POWERPLANTS TOO; FOR BOTH GROUND, AND FOR SPACESHIP.
What's the fuel...And how expensive is it? You can always make the
perfect power plant from pure unobtanium, but it's un-obtain-ium. And
once you obtain it, thermodynamics, materials properties, etc. tend to
place limits on one's imagination.
> CAN VERY LARGE ROCKET ENGINES BE OBTAINED FROM A LOCAL
> HOBBY SHOP?
Depends upon what you call "large". There is some limit on shipping
via UPS. I think class E might be marginal. E is a pound or so for
maybe three seconds, if I recall correctly. Might be less than a pound
of thrust.
In modern suburban settings, the art of rocketry is to get a small
rocket with a small engine up a few hundred feet, and back again. In my
day, we'd find larger lots and try for a few thousand feet.
> I KNOW OF TWO HOBBY SHOPS HERE IN TULSA, ONE OF THEM IS
> NOT VERY FAR FROM WHERE I LIVE.
>
> RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY A ROCKET ENGINE.
> WOULD GYROSCOPES BE REQUIRED, TO KEEP THE ROCKET ON
> STABLIZED, ON A STRAIT TRAJECTORY INTO THE SKY???
Since it is launched in the air, fins are enough.
There are other groups launching larger rockets in Nevada and places
like that.
But there is little science to be gained from this. It's mostly
just the thrill of watching the rocket go up. Many of the small rocket
hobbyists spend hours painting their rockets, or modeling them after
real rockets. If you enjoy that kind of detail work, fine. I don't.
For me, it was seeing how things worked, reaching the goal of launching
mice or eggs, etc. And of course, the thrill of seeing something you
built leap for the sky.
After spending a year near Cape Canaveral on the Space Coast of
Florida, fireworks were just... a waste to me, because they blew up
instead of going on into space. I'd seen the Real Thing! And it made
all these toys look like... just toys.
It was the winter of 1976, I think, I was out on an interview for a
tech company. I was standing on the balcony of the Dutch Inn in Palm
Bay one night, waiting for a launch the desk clerk had told me about.
Thin stratus clouds were moving in from the north. The moon was out,
casting its pale light upon the flat clouds. I saw a spark of light
rise slowly from the ground, gathering speed. As it reached the clouds,
it lit them up in a glorious display. It felt to me that mankind's
sacred hopes and dreams had been given light. The spark passed the
clouds and soon, its job done, went out. The launch was a success; a
new satellite was coasting toward orbit around the earth.
This was the most beautiful launch I ever saw. I think it was a
mundane weather satellite, even then an everyday thing protecting our
people by warning them of oncoming storms.
One night, I'd already taken my contact lenses out and was in bed
when the windows started shaking as I heard a distant roar. Without
glasses, I felt it wasn't worth getting up; but the roar kept getting
louder and louder, telling me I had made a mistake not getting up. But
it wa too late. A giant military satellite had been launched that night.
The press had not been told, so we hadn't had any warning.
the only other good thing about florid was the cheap seafood. It
didn't pay to cook my own meals, I could go and have better for less at
just about any of the local restaraunts. Then again, I was a high tech
person and wasn't earning typical redneck starvation wages.
Florida was hell for the heat, humidity, and insects. Not to
mention the "singing cackling witches", the crocodiles in the drainage
canals, keeping us up all night during mating season. (We had to have
chain linked fences along the canals to keep them out of our yards.) But
there were a few moments... there were a few rare moments when rockets
went up.
When my work was done a year later, I thanked everyone, turned down
several job offers, gladly packed my stuff and drove back to
Connecticut, saying I'd never return to Florida if I had any other
options.
I hated the place! Heat! Bugs! Humidity! Mold! Stupid people!
Electricity that failed at least once a week! And a storm season that
made one feel shell shocked for the nighly bombardment of lightning
bolts and thunder from destroyer shaped clouds moving slowly over our
community, shaking all the houses. Night after Night after Night!!! I
was in the newspaper that it actually drove some people nuts. One
night, I almost, almost loaded up my car and fled north. I just could
not take it any more! (Had to up the B vitamins in my diet. Once I did
that, I could take it, but I certainly wasn't happy about it. Amazing
what a bad diet can do to you.)
I still hate Florida. Wish I'd never gone there. That was the
most beautiful sight that I saw in Florida! That and sunrise glinting
off some island in the Indian River with a barge parked up on it, and
someone living in it. It looked so romantic.
Wish I'd never seen that launch, never seen that barge, because
they were two key things that persuaded me this was the place to be, the
place to stay. I hate Florida! No culture, no civilization, no nothing
out where I was! Just yahoos and rednecks! And a few tired retirees.
And hours of driving to get anywhere to buy anything! Crap! Crap! Crap!
Gads, I didn't realize till I started thinking about it how much I
Hated Florida! I could go on and on and on and on all day blasting that
place! I hate Florida!
(Of course, Ohio wasn't that much better; but at least I got to
walk through that aeronautical museum in Dayton.)
You know, I think I hated just about every place I lived till I
ended up in Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley has electronics stores like
Fry's Electronics, cram packed with all kinds of computer components,
electronic parts, etc. The problem is, computers are not high tech
anymore. They are nothing but data shlarbs, slaves schlepping data back
and forth. No exclusiveness, no mystery, no nothing. Not even blinking
lights on the front panel anymore. Sad what's become of the computer
revolution. Today, anyone can walk into a store and buy the equivalent
of a hundred million dollar computers for less than the price of a car.
you can even do that at Radio Slock!!! Even Igor can buy a computer and
run it for the purpose of watching pronorgafy and stoln msuic on the
internet! The revolution has gotten away from us! The horror of it
all!!!
(Laughing!) Yes, it is a bit of a let down from the days it was so
cool to be working in an air conditioned data center while the rest of
the peons baked in the summer sun.
We've come a long way in 50 years. A very, very long way.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 26 18:56:24 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Apr 26 11:56:26 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc.
In-Reply-To: <009601c54a8c$db564c70$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Apr
26, 2005 02:22:06 PM
Message-ID: <20050426185624.34190.qmail@mall-net.com>
> The German V-2 used Goddard's liquid fueled engine, adjustable fins on the
> exhaust, and a gyroscopic system to control them. Today's rockets use
> adjustable exhaust discharge nozzles, controlled by simple analog or digital
> computers.
Yes, but those were big rockets. We were talking about model
rockets, things less than a foot or three tall.
> But reaction propulsion is not going to take us to the stars. It is simply
> impossible to carry enough mass to eject from the craft to accomplish this.
Not a fast track, at any rate. We;ve used gravity slings of other
planets. What we need, is some way of warping the surface of space, then
building something that mates with that like a tractor tread mates with
soft earth.
I've often wondered if you could not get something out of matched
orbiting black holes with a second pair offset, so that it would make
something of the ripples created by the first pair.
Now that's mad science! Not just scientists gone mad, especially
about the junk they put up with in some moldy nearly below the water
state that will probably disappear from rising sea levels in the next
century or two.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 26 19:20:04 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Apr 26 12:20:06 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE.
In-Reply-To: <20050426144609.95047.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 26, 2005 07:46:09 AM
Message-ID: <20050426192004.54764.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I HAVEN' GOT TO TRY IT YET, BUT FROM WHAT I HAVE READ, IT IS SAID THAT THE
> CHEMICAL AND/OR HORMONAL REACTION IN HUMANS WILL PRODUCE A FEELING
> OF JOY THAT PERMEATES THE WHOLE BODY, EMANATING FROM EVERY CELL,
> AND BEING DELIGHTFULLY WONERFUL, AND LASTING SOME TIME.
> WHETHER THIS IS ACTUALLY TRUE OR NOT, EXPERIENCE WILL ONLY TELL!
> THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA IS HIGHLY REVERED BY THE BUDDHISTS, AND THE
> INDIANS OF INDIA.
I have experienced the classical Buddhist Nirvana. it does not
take much, just enough iodine (from dulse, for example) and tyrosine. As
one develops enough dopamine, and the iodine shunts tyrosine to the
thyroid pathway, one begins to feel warm and comfortable.
Warning: Tyrosine can also be converted to Phenylalinine, making
one nervous as all hell. It can also be converted to adrenaline, making
one paranoid, highly excitable, etc. This is NOT recommended without
appropriate guides, people to take care of you if you become paranoid,
etc. I think part of the reason you have a Buddhist priesthood, is to
weed out those with paranoid tendencies and to make one feel safe
enough.
I saw the world as if engraved in liquid silver...
All the time, the back of my mind kept telling me I was in a mental
straight jacket, unable to think in common sense engineering terms!
I was parked in the mountains, resting late in the evening. And I
had to take a leak... Now, here I am in the woods on a dirt road
(probably a mile or two from here). I want to take a leak real bad.
And the woods look.. the road is engraved in liquid silver. This is
the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
It's the woods. I have to take a leak!
This is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen!
Bears and bobcats take leaks in the woods!!! I need to take a
leak!!!
Liquid silver, the sky... glowing clouds in the distance...
The god damned bears poop in the woods! I need to take a LEAK!!!
How could I ever despoil this hallowed natural beauty....
You are parked in a puddle of mud with rotting chopped down trees
all around you!!!
In the end, I started the car and drove an hour to get to a toilet.
Nirvana is another word for Brain Dead Mental Stupor!!!
Everyone out here goes out and takes a leak in the woods!!!
The ultimate mind set is that of an Engineer! For him, the world
exists not as it is and has been for Millenia, but as it may yet be to
comfort and support him and his family, and the rest of society. if not
for the engineer, we would all be in squalid bark thatched huts freezing
in the cold of winter.
Do not be a brain dead monk or lotus eater, for those are things
too easy for us all to become. It is to us, to honor our lives and
selves, to see what we can create with our minds and our hands. That is
the ultimate potential of humanity. Yet so few even reach out for it,
much less attain it!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Apr 26 13:02:48 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality,
In-Reply-To: <20050426185113.29671.qmail@mall-net.com> from
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Message-ID: <20050426200245.92433.qmail@mall-net.com>
> electronic parts, etc. The problem is, computers are not high tech
> anymore. They are nothing but data shlarbs, slaves schlepping data back
> and forth. No exclusiveness, no mystery, no nothing. Not even blinking
Now even tent living camel riding ragheads like Zarqawi have
laptops! "My Pictures" yet!!!
I just want to find out if that raghead has a better computer than I
do!
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 26 20:30:57 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Apr 26 13:31:00 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality,
In-Reply-To: <20050426200245.92433.qmail@mall-net.com> from
"javilk@mall-net.com" at Apr 26, 2005 08:02:45 PM
Message-ID: <20050426203057.15877.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> > electronic parts, etc. The problem is, computers are not high tech
> > anymore. They are nothing but data shlarbs, slaves schlepping data back
> > and forth. No exclusiveness, no mystery, no nothing. Not even blinking
>
> Now even tent living camel riding ragheads like Zarqawi have
> laptops! "My Pictures" yet!!!
>
> I just want to find out if that raghead has a better computer than I
> do!
I have to laugh, because when some computers went missing from Los
Alamos, some years back, a friend came to me with a chocolate brown
magnesium case laptop computer that had "Military" design style reeking
all over it!
In a bar one night, he had met some Mexican who barely able to
speak English. The man said he had some computer to sell, and showed him
this from the back of a van. He said the moment he saw it, he just knew
it must be one of the stolen Los Alamos computers! With a design like
that, it just could not be anything else BUT military! And he had to
have it!
He wanted me to crack it open, see what was in it, and then said
we could make some money returning it to Los Alamos. There's bound to
be some fantastic reward for this!
I could hardly contain myself!
When I powered it up, I confirmed from the contents on the disk
drive that this was the plasma screen Grid Computer 386 machine. I knew
the history -- it had seen service in the San Jose Police department,
before being surplused along with several others, . It was quite
obsolete. _I_ had bought it for $1.00 at a scrap metals place, had
loaned it to someone else for some year, and some three or four years
later, _I_ had given to a day laborer who had helped me move, as a gift
to learn about computers.
I couldn't hold back my laughter any more! Yep, one of my old
junk computers had come back to haunt me! And he'd been snookered out
of some $75 by the laborer.
He chuckled, and told me to get it out of his sight. Yes, just
take it, get it out of here.
I still have that machine and one or two others like it in
storage. It still looks like some military something, especially when
you power up the dim red-orange plasma screen. I can't run that thing
up here because it is very power hungry. It's a DOS machine with no
LAN, no CD, nothing. I can't even load Linux on it.
I still wonder what kind of laptop Zarqawi just lost.
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 18:52:23 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Tue Apr 26 18:52:37 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050427015223.40149.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com>
Mr. Best,
making the comment that a terrorist organization is
buying gyroscopes, strikes me as humor in very poor
taste.
most of the experimenters using EM (the lifter crowd
comes to mind) have also come forward in stating that
said lifters do not work in vacuum.
we're going to have to find a different way.
Bob
--- Michael Best wrote:
>
> The German V-2 used Goddard's liquid fueled engine,
> adjustable fins on the
> exhaust, and a gyroscopic system to control them.
> Today's rockets use
> adjustable exhaust discharge nozzles, controlled by
> simple analog or digital
> computers.
>
> Surplus gyroscopes from ballistic missiles are
> available at
> http://www.cheaperthandirt.com. But you'd better
> hurry! I heard that
> Al-Quaeda is snapping them up!
>
> But reaction propulsion is not going to take us to
> the stars. It is simply
> impossible to carry enough mass to eject from the
> craft to accomplish this.
>
> Use relativistic bending of space, aka gravity, to
> provide reactionless
> propulsion.
>
> It takes incredible power- provided by
> low-temperature fusion. Several
> experimenters have demonstrated reactionless
> propulsion, on a small scale,
> using EM fields to bend space.
>
>
>
>
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Tue Apr 26 21:56:47 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr 26 18:57:04 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc.
Message-ID: <158.4fb49ee7.2fa04b5f@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/26/2005 2:57:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
javilk@mall-net.com writes:
Not a fast track, at any rate. We;ve used gravity slings of other
planets. What we need, is some way of warping the surface of space, then
building something that mates with that like a tractor tread mates with
soft earth.
Sir, I have little knowledge of the workings of the space sciences, however
you do give me reason to pause. This here gravity sling you speak of, would
this be in any way like a bullet that ricochets off a solid object ?
Is this how we insure our machinery sent into space is not destroyed by
impacting on the surface but bounces off before burn out and continues past the
sun? I am speaking of Venus for instance.
Another thing, if space were warped, would there be a blister or bulge of
some fashion from the stress of the warping?
You mention surface of space, where would one find that ?
My Dad, a Navy diver and submariner tried to teach me to dive when I was a
teenager, because of my inner ear problems that became impossible. However,
as an only child he would regale me for years with his outlandish tales of his
remarkable life. One thing about diving he told me was that when diving in
a black sea or lake, the only way to tell where the surface was, the diver
had to look at the bubbles, they always rose to the surface.
So, is there anything that in the vacuum of space that could show the
direction of the surface ? Or, would the surface be anywhere you wished to start
when away from all gravity ?
You also mention tractor treads mating with earth. a visual of that in my
mind reveals deep tread marks in the earth, as the tires roll, there is a
sucking of earth into the tread. Any craft that could do that would change the
very fabric of space,
As what's his name often said "For every action, there is a reaction "
We figure out how to warp space, what will happen to the empty space that
will be caused by this ? Will space act like a Lava lamp and fill in the space
left by the warping Something like water displacement?
So much to learn, so little time. I appreciate your indulgence of myself.
Regards Vesta
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Apr 26 19:53:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc.
In-Reply-To: <20050427015223.40149.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at Apr 26, 2005 06:52:23 PM
Message-ID: <20050427025311.59982.qmail@mall-net.com>
> making the comment that a terrorist organization is
> buying gyroscopes, strikes me as humor in very poor
> taste.
> > Surplus gyroscopes from ballistic missiles are
> > available at
> > http://www.cheaperthandirt.com. But you'd better
> > hurry! I heard that
> > Al-Quaeda is snapping them up!
Well, I couldn't find any gyroscopes at that site, nor reference to
any rocket devices, other than some spring steel used in a magazine; so
maybe they all got bought up. Or maybe the URL is incorrect; this a
retail gun supplies site, rather than a place dealing in more esoteric
government or industrial surplus.
> most of the experimenters using EM (the lifter crowd
> comes to mind) have also come forward in stating that
> said lifters do not work in vacuum.
>
> we're going to have to find a different way.
Sad.
> > Use relativistic bending of space, aka gravity, to
> > provide reactionless
> > propulsion.
Is there any serious research on this at present?
> > It takes incredible power- provided by
> > low-temperature fusion. Several
> > experimenters have demonstrated reactionless
> > propulsion, on a small scale,
> > using EM fields to bend space.
Low temperature fusion is another problem. I know there have been
some gains, but I have not heard of any commercial power generation
stations being built around it. Have you?
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Apr 27 03:27:17 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Apr 26 20:27:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc.
In-Reply-To: <158.4fb49ee7.2fa04b5f@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 26,
2005 09:56:47 PM
Message-ID: <20050427032717.79187.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Not a fast track, at any rate. We;ve used gravity slings of other
> planets. What we need, is some way of warping the surface of space, then
> building something that mates with that like a tractor tread mates with
> soft earth.
>
>
>
> Sir, I have little knowledge of the workings of the space sciences, however
> you do give me reason to pause. This here gravity sling you speak of, would
> this be in any way like a bullet that ricochets off a solid object ?
The typical way NASA uses a gravity sling, is to send a probe to do
a partial orbit around another planet, the velocity of the planet itself
being added to the velocity of the probe, much as putting a stone in a
sling enables a thrower to make the stone move faster than he could if
he threw it by hand.
As the probe approaches the moving planet, the planet's gravity
pulls it in, but after a loop around the planet, the probe is going fast
enough to escape.
> Another thing, if space were warped, would there be a blister or bulge of
> some fashion from the stress of the warping?
I have no idea, because we have not done it yet.
> You mention surface of space, where would one find that ?
It is a mathematical thing, much like isobars link areas of equal
pressure on a weather map.
> My Dad, a Navy diver and submariner tried to teach me to dive when I was a
> teenager, because of my inner ear problems that became impossible. However,
> as an only child he would regale me for years with his outlandish tales of his
> remarkable life. One thing about diving he told me was that when diving in
> a black sea or lake, the only way to tell where the surface was, the diver
> had to look at the bubbles, they always rose to the surface.
This is a common tale. People do get disoriented when their limbs
and muscles do not tell them which way is down.
> So, is there anything that in the vacuum of space that could show the
> direction of the surface ? Or, would the surface be anywhere you wished to start
> when away from all gravity ?
"away from all gravity"... there probably is no such place.
However, one can create an equi-gravity "surface" much like an
isobar, and attempt to manipulate that. Or a surface portraying an
increase or deformation of a field, as some illustrations of the gravity
around a planet show something like an elastic membrane deformed by the
weight of the planet, much like your weight deforms a bed.
> You also mention tractor treads mating with earth. a visual of that in my
> mind reveals deep tread marks in the earth, as the tires roll, there is a
> sucking of earth into the tread. Any craft that could do that would change the
> very fabric of space,
I don't know. I would think it more like surfing the bow wave of a
ship.
> As what's his name often said "For every action, there is a reaction "
Sir Isaac Newton.
> We figure out how to warp space, what will happen to the empty space that
> will be caused by this ? Will space act like a Lava lamp and fill in the space
> left by the warping Something like water displacement?
The flip answer would be to say that this is not applicable.
But... in some sense, whenever one body passes through the space
affected by another, there is some "warpage" or alteration of these
iso-gravitic "surfaces".
But is this really what the papers I have scanned are talking
about???
(Chuckle) Now you've made me realize I'm confused! And probably
using the wrong analogies for what I thought I was saying.
It seemed so simple! Till someone else asks an intelligent
question, it is not always apparent that one's understanding is flawed,
such as mine apparently is.
I know NASA is sponsoring some research on non-reaction mass
propulsion. Some are trying to find a means of using the properties of
space to aid in moving mass.
The simplest means is using F=ma, as in using the force of gravity
to roll down hill.
We use immovable texture of surfaces for traction in our surface
vehicles (cars, bicycles, etc.) as well as our own walking. Most of the
footed creatures do that.
We use the inertia and compression resistance of media such as
water and air for propeller based thrust. As do most fish and other sea
life.
Birds like the albatross use pressure gradients and air movements
caused by waves to allow them to glide near the surface of the sea,
sometimes for months at a time, with very little effort. (the albatross
and many birds as well as some sea mammals engage in half-brain sleep to
allow them 24 hour operation.)
We use sails to catch the movement of air, often trading that off
against the resistance of water to sail, sometimes almost against the
wind by sig-zagging (tacking).
Dolphins and surfers use the movement of water as well as gravity
to surf waves, some caused by the passages of ships.
I am not sure how the solar sail idea will fare. Have they done
that experiment yet?
What other means of propulsion are there?
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Apr 27 00:58:29 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Tue Apr 26 21:58:39 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc.
Message-ID: <00e301c54ae5$c2c65070$6401a8c0@mikey>
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:52:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Robert Juliano
> Mr. Best,
> making the comment that a terrorist organization is
> buying gyroscopes, strikes me as humor in very poor
> taste.
Bob, I have a quite dry sense of humor. Besides, I was relating fact as I
know it in good faith. I find absolutely NO reason that this tech should be
on mil surplus web sites, but it is, or was a few months ago.
> most of the experimenters using EM (the lifter crowd
> comes to mind) have also come forward in stating that
> said lifters do not work in vacuum.
I am familiar with Ventura's work. Also Naudlin's, Searle's,
Townsend-Brown's, and that Canadian dude whose name escapes me at the
moment. And I have done my own experiments on the subject.
Ventura is making simple ion drives. Easy to make, but will not work in a
vacuum. I've made some myself. BUT- I have also seen with my own eyes EM
devices that use low voltage at high current that produce immense "thrust."
> we're going to have to find a different way.
Exactly what I'm talking about. The questions are there, very like
Michelson and Morley! When will we find the answers? Or, perhaps the
better question is:
WHO will find the answers?
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Apr 27 19:02:48 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Wed Apr 27 16:03:12 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc.
Message-ID: <1ee.3a9c51d6.2fa17418@aol.com>
Oh my word, space is a mystery that we may never know. The closest
planets we may find interesting, strange, and raise more questions then give
answers. We will get there and then the arguments will begin among the experts
about every little finding.
Problem is, the so called experts will look at all findings and see them by
their own ideas of their education and understanding. These scientists think
in a box, they seldom venture outside the ideas of their cronies. Any
evidence they find of any sort must conform to the ideas of the time as they
interpret it.
Example the stones with deep channels running down the sides, in
pre-known human studies. Some say these were sacrificial stones, but has anyone
thought that perhaps the stones were part of a butcher shop that prepared food
for the masses ? Come to that these stones could be birthing beds, or old
time surgery tables for those harmed in battles. How about tables that prepared
the dead for their last rites. Don't we have tables today that serve the same
function ? Why is science so ready to think that these stones were for a
use as a sacrificial use ? We know next to nothing about these societies so how
do these experts say ,with such a puff out their chest, I have found a
sacrificial stone ? Bahhhh.
Happy for us we find things on Mars, but why so far away, what's up with our
moon? You can't tell me we know everything about our life force. No life on
planet earth without that beautiful big orb up there controlling life on
earth.
Politics is killing me. The billions of dollars spent by us not to mention
other countries on space exploration is a kick in the butt for the people who
live on Earth. We don't know Jack Shit about this planet. So why spend the
billions to explore some place else before we know our own back yard ?
Instead of thinking about how Pluto works, do we know how Earth works ? We
are only now learning about the movements of our ocean plates. Why does our
poles shift, should not they be stable ?
Climate shift, strange behavior in sea life, new species discovered in sea
and on land, how do the sun spots big bursts of energy effect this planet, the
mind of humans is changing, food, drugs or culture ?
Sorry about my RANT but is this not what I am suppose to do, I have a brain
and I use it to the best of my ability, most of the time I am wrong but when
I am right I feel sad because all the changes in my thinking that has led me
to this.
Regards Veata
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 19:03:42 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Apr 27 19:03:56 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mighty Mouse. By, Tesla (the band).
Message-ID: <20050428020343.98582.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
Song: MIGHTY MOUSE.
Band: Tesla (the band).
Lyrics by: Keith, Hannon, Wheat, Sommers.
Earth to Mighty Mouse..
Come in Mighty Mouse.
Help us Mighty Mouse.....
WE NEED YOU!
I'M JUST LIVING FOR THE DAY,
CHANCES ARE WILL NEVER COME.
ALWAYS SEARCHING FOR A WAY,
TO DO THE THINGS THAT CAN'T BE
DONE.
WHAT MAY SEEM A WASTE OF TIME,
DESPITE OUR GOOD INTENTIONS.
BUT WHO'S TO SAY WHAT'S WRONG
OR RIGHT,
IS THERE ANY CHANCE AT ALL.
MIGHTY MOUSE, COME DOWN AND
SAVE THE DAY.
UNDERDOG IS ON IS ON HIS WAY.
SUPERMAN, YOU'VE GOT TO KICK
THAT KRYPTONITE.
CAUSE LORD KNOWS WE NEED
SOME HELP TONIGHT.
FLASHING SIGNALS THROUGH THE
SKY, AND TO BOTH SIDES OF THE
MOON.
STILL I WAIT, BUT NO REPLY, TO
INDICATE YOU'RE COMING SOON.
YOU MAY THINK I WASTE MY TIME,
TO RELY ON FICTION.
BUT I CAN'T WAIT TO BLOW THEIR
MINDS, WHEN YOU COME AND SAVE
US ALL.
COME AND SAVE US ALL.
MIGHTY MOUSE, COME DOWN AND
SAVE THE DAY.
UNDERDOG IS ON HIS WAY.
SUPERMAN YOU'VE GOT TO KICK THAT
KRYPTONITE.
CAUSE LORD KNOWS WE NEED SOME
HELP TONIGHT.
WE'VE LOST CONTROL, BREAK DOWN
THE WALL.
COME SAVE US ALL, SAVE US FROM
OURSELF.
SAVE US FROM OURSELF,
SAVE US FROM OURSELF,
SAVE US FROM OURSELF, BEFORE WE
LOSE IT ALL.
MIGHTY MOUSE, COME DOWN AND SAVE
THE DAY.
UNDERDOG IS ON HIS WAY.
SUPERMAN, YOU'VE GOT TO KICK THAT
KRYPTONITE.
CAUSE LORD KNOWS WE NEED SOME
HELP TONIGHT.
MIGHTY MOUSE, UNDERDOG, SUPERMAN.
YOU'VE GOT TO KICK THAT KRYPTONITE.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 28 02:46:17 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Apr 27 19:46:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc.
In-Reply-To: <1ee.3a9c51d6.2fa17418@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 27,
2005 07:02:48 PM
Message-ID: <20050428024617.29216.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Oh my word, space is a mystery that we may never know. The closest
> planets we may find interesting, strange, and raise more questions then give
> answers. We will get there and then the arguments will begin among the experts
> about every little finding.
Remember the saying "publish or perish" applies in academia and
other research organizations. It does drive much speculation!
> Problem is, the so called experts will look at all findings and see them by
> their own ideas of their education and understanding. These scientists think
> in a box, they seldom venture outside the ideas of their cronies. Any
> evidence they find of any sort must conform to the ideas of the time as they
> interpret it.
They don't so much think in a box, as write for the box. It's how
one gets funding. If one says this was Ogg's Butcher Shoppe, it is less
spectacular than if this were Ogg's Temple to some god. Now, an
economist might find Ogg's Butcher Shoppe far more interesting, but
economists don't generally do much archaeology.
> Example the stones with deep channels running down the sides, in
> pre-known human studies. Some say these were sacrificial stones, but has anyone
> thought that perhaps the stones were part of a butcher shop that prepared food
> for the masses ? Come to that these stones could be birthing beds, or old
"for the masses" is not what there was in those days. And if one
say this was Ogg's Butcher Shoppe, then how did Ogg get the venture
capital to open it, and how could Ogg handle the cash when he didn't
have a mattress, much less a bank, to put it in.
(We did find the cash. The coinage of the day was arrowheads mass
produced someplace in southern Europe from stones imported from some
other area within some 100 - 200 miles from there.)
Or was it a communist community butcher stone? We saw communism
fail, so we are not too eager to say it was communist; though we may say
it was community, probably run by the shaman as a religious thing, with
the blood being given to the local deity, hence the drainage, and the
meat distributed to the tribe post haste before it spoiled.
The other question is just how much hunting was there? Much of what
we are believed to have eaten on the African Savanna, was hindquarters
with bones and marrow.
So another question is whether the stone was heated to melt fat,
or not. And if the fat was melted, was it used for oil lamps?.
> time surgery tables for those harmed in battles. How about tables that prepared
> the dead for their last rites. Don't we have tables today that serve the same
> function ? Why is science so ready to think that these stones were for a
Tables for the dead do not require blood drainage. When one dies,
it does not run much. Thus one would suspect it was blood draining out
of something living.
> use as a sacrificial use ? We know next to nothing about these societies so how
> do these experts say ,with such a puff out their chest, I have found a
> sacrificial stone ? Bahhhh.
Well, maybe it was a slaughterhouse / butcher deal. But primitives
tend to also honor the animals they slaughter. They well understand the
circle of life. Something dies to give something else life. Man ate
bears, but also worshiped the bear for the sustenance it gave them.
Bear cults were fairly common, with bear bones often arranged in a cave,
the head on a ledge, etc. as a form of worship, or at least reverence
for the life the bears, though their flesh, gave us.
This type of circularity and worship or reverence, occurs all over
the world. The American Indians did this with the buffalo. Northern
Europeans did this with the woolly mammoth, even as they ate it into
extinction.
> Happy for us we find things on Mars, but why so far away, what's up with our
> moon? You can't tell me we know everything about our life force. No life on
> planet earth without that beautiful big orb up there controlling life on
> earth.
We know some about our moon. There are some computer simulations of
large body impacts which show a mixing of materials in earth and moon
from the object which hit Earth, and gave rise to the moon.
> Politics is killing me. The billions of dollars spent by us not to mention
> other countries on space exploration is a kick in the butt for the people who
> live on Earth. We don't know Jack Shit about this planet. So why spend the
> billions to explore some place else before we know our own back yard ?
Because they are data point helping us understand the forces and
dynamics which gave rise to Earth.
> Instead of thinking about how Pluto works, do we know how Earth works ? We
> are only now learning about the movements of our ocean plates. Why does our
> poles shift, should not they be stable ?
The geomagnetic field is an interesting item. By studying Mars,
Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn, we see how part of the geomagnetic fields
are generated. It now seems that the reversal will not completely
destroy the geomagnetic field; the interaction of the earth and the
solar wind will likely sustain some of the field till it completely
flips. And it does not alway flip; sometimes it reforms in the same
polarity as before.
> Climate shift, strange behavior in sea life, new species discovered in sea
> and on land, how do the sun spots big bursts of energy effect this planet, the
> mind of humans is changing, food, drugs or culture ?
Interesting question. There are some real questions as to whether
it is the sunspot cycles which alter our business and economic cycles,
as well as our climate cycles. There have been several cold episodes in
the recent past. Were these human driven or solar driven? Perhaps
studies of other planets can help us determine the status of the sun
independent of the effects of our own climatic cycles.
> Sorry about my RANT but is this not what I am suppose to do, I have a brain
> and I use it to the best of my ability, most of the time I am wrong but when
> I am right I feel sad because all the changes in my thinking that has led me
> to this.
These are valid questions for this forum. We mad scientists
certainly want to know about these, and as scientists, mad or otherwise,
we are curious about what is around us, what stages we have been placed
upon to act out our human drama.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 28 03:13:57 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Apr 27 20:13:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mighty Mouse. By, Tesla (the band).
In-Reply-To: <20050428020343.98582.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 27, 2005 07:03:42 PM
Message-ID: <20050428031357.49785.qmail@mall-net.com>
> COME SAVE US ALL, SAVE US FROM
> OURSELF.
> SAVE US FROM OURSELF,
> SAVE US FROM OURSELF,
> SAVE US FROM OURSELF, BEFORE WE
> LOSE IT ALL.
We do not need to be saved from ourselves. This is the type of
defeatist nonsense thinking we hear in all too much of the popular
music.
Humanity is inherently good. If it were not, we would not have the
level of culture, housing, etc. that we now have. We have created all
this via cooperation greased by promises of freely exchangeable tokens
of no other inherent value, called Money. The value of money is not the
paper or metal it is made of, it is what others are willing to give us
for it, and what we are willing to give others for it.
I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always
eventually triumph. And there's purpose and worth to each and every
life. -- Ronald Reagan
I think that just being alive is a tremendous opportunity. It's
what you do with it that matters, -- Katharine Hepburn
Thus, we need to figure out how to make things which others want.
Money is a very unifying and orienting medium and experience.
In contrast, the communists, who were trying to save humanity from
themselves, had an elaborate planning system allocating so much to the
manufacture of nuts, bolts, wheels, etc. And it FAILED MISERABLY!!!
Because of the lack of freely exchangeable currency, the people became
thieves and barterers. And there was very little in the way to track or
respond to changes in needs. This basically destroyed the viability of
that entire society.
So the song should be
Save us from the burro-crats,
we can take care of ourselves!
We built New York!
We rebuilt Chicago!
We rebuild San Francisco!
We CAN rebuild ourselves!
This land is My land
This land is your land...
_WE_ made this land for you and me!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 14:13:09 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Apr 28 14:14:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk;
Message-ID: <20050428211309.98608.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk;
I am having cardiac troubles again now.
It is the worst, when I have to urinate,
when my heart feels the worst.
Does this indicate anything specifically,
that you know about?
Also; I have noticed that Zyprexa
Olanzapine is weakening my immune
system, in that I get canker sores often,
when taking Olanzapine, and the water
bumps on the inside of my mouth flare
up, when I drink sweet drinks, and when
I eat certain foods.
The doctors are failing to meet my
needs, and the stress is overwhelming.
I ran out the money that I needed this
month, in order to see both a nutricianist,
and also a neurologist.
Although I also need to see a
dermatologist too.
A pulminologist was also suggested by
my mother, since she is a nurse.
I need to see Dr. Feelgood real soon,
because I've been neglecting my health
for material gains, and am suffering
because of it.
It' a wonder that I haven't exploded, with
skull pulverizing nuclear anger on someone,
for bottling up my emotions.
Sincerely, Clyde
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 28 22:26:28 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Apr 28 15:26:32 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk;
In-Reply-To: <20050428211309.98608.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 28, 2005 02:13:09 PM
Message-ID: <20050428222628.91754.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I am having cardiac troubles again now.
> It is the worst, when I have to urinate,
> when my heart feels the worst.
> Does this indicate anything specifically,
> that you know about?
I don't know. All I know is that the stuff at
http://www.paulingtherapy.com/ works.
I like to maintain my vitamin C levels near bowel tolerance as per
http://www.mall-net.com/cathcart/titrate.html and seem to recall that
most people whom I know tended to be happier when they started using
more vitamin C. And as I said before, niacin seems to help me when I
get depressed.
> Also; I have noticed that Zyprexa
> Olanzapine is weakening my immune
> system, in that I get canker sores often,
> when taking Olanzapine, and the water
> bumps on the inside of my mouth flare
> up, when I drink sweet drinks, and when
> I eat certain foods.
Sweets will prompt the growth of candida albecans. Unless... unless
they are loaded with acidophilus cultures, such as Wildwood SOYogurt
smoothies are.
> The doctors are failing to meet my
> needs, and the stress is overwhelming.
I'e always done better with vitamins and other nutritional
supplements than with pills.
Have you tried any of them?
> I ran out the money that I needed this
> month, in order to see both a nutricianist,
> and also a neurologist.
Never enough money. But... nutritional stuff is cheaper than
drugs.
Maybe more later.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Thu Apr 28 20:54:43 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Thu Apr 28 17:54:50 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ZPE
Message-ID: <003001c54c56$09439690$6401a8c0@mikey>
http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html
An Introduction to Zero-Point Energy
Quantum physics predicts the existence of an underlying sea of zero-point
energy at every point in the universe. This is different from the cosmic
microwave background and is also referred to as the electromagnetic quantum
vacuum since it is the lowest state of otherwise empty space. This energy is
so enormous that most physicists believe that even though zero-point energy
seems to be an inescapable consequence of elementary quantum theory, it
cannot be physically real, and so is subtracted away in calculations.
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 19:06:35 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Apr 28 19:06:46 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ZPE
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050429020635.18131.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com>
The only way that I see tapping ZPE, for the possibility
of obtaining useful energy, is to use high power, high
pressure, hyper high decibel (1,000 dB's, or higher,)
continuous duty, focused and directed acoustic energy,
to create a contained, micro scaled, black, or white hole.
Clyde
Michael Best wrote:
http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html
An Introduction to Zero-Point Energy
Quantum physics predicts the existence of an underlying sea of zero-point
energy at every point in the universe. This is different from the cosmic
microwave background and is also referred to as the electromagnetic quantum
vacuum since it is the lowest state of otherwise empty space. This energy is
so enormous that most physicists believe that even though zero-point energy
seems to be an inescapable consequence of elementary quantum theory, it
cannot be physically real, and so is subtracted away in calculations.
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Apr 28 19:33:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ZPE
In-Reply-To: <20050429020635.18131.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Apr 28, 2005 07:06:35 PM
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> The only way that I see tapping ZPE, for the possibility
> of obtaining useful energy, is to use high power, high
> pressure, hyper high decibel (1,000 dB's, or higher,)
> continuous duty, focused and directed acoustic energy,
> to create a contained, micro scaled, black, or white hole.
The general problem of using energy, is that we only seem to be
able to do it across a differential. it's sort of like a paddlewheel is
pretty much useless on the surface of the sea; whereas if we put it
under a waterfall, where the energy is flowing downhill rather sharply,
the wheel will turn and we can harvest some of the energy.
So the question is, how do we find a slope in this ZPG field?
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 29 04:57:38 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Apr 28 21:57:58 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ZPE
In-Reply-To: <003001c54c56$09439690$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Apr
28, 2005 08:54:43 PM
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>
> http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html
>
> An Introduction to Zero-Point Energy
After reading some of this stuff... I seem to recal a bit about
high voltage capacitors recharging themselves.
A good high voltage cap might approcimate a Casimir device??? Some
side effects? But not enough to really harvest much energy.
One character published some schematics and such showning how he was
using mylar capacitors to detect gravity wave effects in the 1/f noise
of an oscilator of some sort. Circa 1989, I believe.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 29 05:24:54 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Apr 28 22:24:57 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ZPE
In-Reply-To: <20050429045738.49555.qmail@mall-net.com> from
"javilk@mall-net.com" at Apr 29, 2005 04:57:38 AM
Message-ID: <20050429052454.67645.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> >
> > http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html
The related pages are interesting, but way, way beyond my
understanding of physics!
I fear though, that most of this will not be available to us beyond
the nanoscale. We are, I suspect, stuck in this dimensional realm. I
base this on the lack of visible examples of strange phenomenon in the
realm of our scale (millimeters to mega-meters) and density. What goes
on in the core of the sun is another matter; but even there, we have
some theories which seem to map well with observations.
This does not preclude our being able to utilize some of the
phenomenon, as we do with electricity. Its just that we do not, for the
most part, find ourselves able to use electricity to create major
changes in the meter range.
Most of what we use electricity for is the disruption of atoms to
yield heat and light, or the creation of sub-meter sized magnetic fields
to create motion. That motion is then translated via simple mechanical
gears into larger scale movements. The only places we really get into
near meter scale electron phenomenon is the electron beam used for
imaging, such as in electron microscopes and cathode ray tubes.
Observable nature does a little larger with lightning bolts in the
kilo-meter range scale.
What am I missing?
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 29 16:02:07 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Apr 29 09:02:12 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global Warming?
In-Reply-To: <20050429052454.67645.qmail@mall-net.com> from
"javilk@mall-net.com" at Apr 29, 2005 05:24:54 AM
Message-ID: <20050429160207.2654.qmail@mall-net.com>
All over the news, we hear that NASA has found the smoking gun,
that the earth is absorbing more heat than it is radiating, .85/sq
meter, and that the build-up of heat within the oceans will result in a
rise in temperature by 2100.
Yet it is the land which is hotter, not the oceans!
The Washington Times reports that one other scientist, Fred Singer,
director of the Science and Environmental Policy Project, and Professor
emeritus, U. Virginia, says this is nonsense; that heat can not "build
up" in the ocean "for later release". That would violate the laws of
thermodynamics.
http://WashingtonTimes.com/national/
Singer and Pelser (JM U, Liverpool) suggest that although global
warming can generate deaths; overall, it will reduce the number of
deaths across the planet by keeping other people from freezing to death,
which they do in larger numbers. (Example, Siberia)
Singer believes that the economic gains will outweigh the losses in
the USA and in other parts of the world.
I think he's right. What do you think?
http://www.wired.com/news/
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 10:24:53 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Apr 29 10:25:01 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global Warming?
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THIS ENTIRE PLANET IS DISTRESSING TO ME.
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
All over the news, we hear that NASA has found the smoking gun,
that the earth is absorbing more heat than it is radiating, .85/sq
meter, and that the build-up of heat within the oceans will result in a
rise in temperature by 2100.
Yet it is the land which is hotter, not the oceans!
YES.
The Washington Times reports that one other scientist, Fred Singer,
director of the Science and Environmental Policy Project, and Professor
emeritus, U. Virginia, says this is nonsense; that heat can not "build
up" in the ocean "for later release". That would violate the laws of
thermodynamics.
http://WashingtonTimes.com/national/
Singer and Pelser (JM U, Liverpool) suggest that although global
warming can generate deaths; overall, it will reduce the number of
deaths across the planet by keeping other people from freezing to death,
which they do in larger numbers. (Example, Siberia)
Singer believes that the economic gains will outweigh the losses in
the USA and in other parts of the world.
I think he's right. What do you think?
http://www.wired.com/news/
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Apr 30 09:54:40 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr 30 06:54:57 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global Warming?
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In a message dated 4/29/2005 12:02:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
javilk@mall-net.com writes:
The Washington Times reports that one other scientist, Fred Singer,
director of the Science and Environmental Policy Project, and Professor
emeritus, U. Virginia, says this is nonsense; that heat can not "build
up" in the ocean "for later release". That would violate the laws of
thermodynamics.
This Singer person needs to pay attention to what NASA is saying. There is a
rise in ocean temperatures, a very tiny one but it will make a difference in
100 years as it continues to rise each year.
Something is going on with our oceans that is causing some of its
population to behave in very strange ways. I am wondering if the earthquakes in the
Pacific Ocean could be part of the cause for the disorienting behavior of the
larger creatures.
______________________________________________________________________
Singer and Pelser (JM U, Liverpool) suggest that although global
warming can generate deaths; overall, it will reduce the number of
deaths across the planet by keeping other people from freezing to death,
which they do in larger numbers. (Example, Siberia
______________________________________________________________________________
_
This is so FUNNY, who are these clowns anyway. I can't remember a summer
in years that hasn't brought heat waves that are killers. Big cities open
shelters for people who have no place to cool down. I will bet my best dog
that in this country more people die of heat complications then freeze to death.
In areas on Earth that would be brutal for you or me to survive in, millions
were born to that life style, they know how to live with the cold. A test
on natives of Alaska show their bodies have somehow mutated to increase the
flow of blood to exposed areas in the extreme cold.
Discovery Channel, a few years ago did the test with a couple of natives and
one very cold interviewer.
______________________________________________________________________
Singer believes that the economic gains will outweigh the losses in
the USA and in other parts of the world.
_________________________________________________________________________
Sounds good, but lets take this apart and really look at it.
If I'm hot, I turn on the air conditioner. Running 24-7 , WOW, look at my
electric bill !!!
Can't be done by everyone in this country at this time. We have those
rolling brown outs every year because of the huge surge in people doing just that.
So far I have no knowledge of any cooling machine that runs on wood, coal,
gas or cow chips.
BUGS, Yikes, bugs all year, all kinds we have never seen before. They are
coming here now and wiping out our native bugs, killing off the good bugs.
What happens to our crops when these nastys are around 12 months of the year.
Speaking of food, lots of our food needs cool or cold weather to grow as we
are know it. Example, couple of weeks ago I found in the grocery store flats
of strawberys from CA. These were huge, plump and beautiful. Got them home
and prepared to fend off anyone that looked twice at my prize. After the first
bite, I could not believe the taste, nothing, bland as a potato, no flavor
blah. The berries we get in New England are almost too sweet, just
delicious. So with the warming of earth, food will taste nothing like it is suppose
to.
Gone will be all cold water fish ,crabs, lobster, no more Alaskan King Crab
( sob ! ) Some species will travel from where the reside most of the year to
cold water to mate, that's not good news for them if they cant reproduce.
All I see is that Mr. Singer thinks only of money and believes it is fine
and dandy to rape and destroy his own home, Earth. It is my belief that this
man is not only dangerous but a fat head to boot.
Regards Vesta
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Apr 30 10:49:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global Warming?
In-Reply-To: <8d.261bfc21.2fa4e820@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 30,
2005 09:54:40 AM
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>> The Washington Times reports that one other scientist, Fred Singer,
>> director of the Science and Environmental Policy Project, and Professor
>> emeritus, U. Virginia, says this is nonsense; that heat can not "build
>> up" in the ocean "for later release". That would violate the laws
>> of thermodynamics.
[Quoting fixed]
> This Singer person needs to pay attention to what NASA is saying. There is a
> rise in ocean temperatures, a very tiny one but it will make a difference in
> 100 years as it continues to rise each year.
He is paying attention. He's a professor emeritus of environmental
studies at University of Virginia. He's also paying attention to
physics and geological history; which is quite interesting.
He says what others are saying don't add up. He and a couple of
others have written books on the subject, which i have not read...
But from what I have read, the basic thing is that most of the
solar energy is absorbed in the top layer of the ocean and stays there.
I does not accumulate in the bottom; so the sea is not some slowly
charging capacitor which will suddenly discharge it's heat reserves as
others imply. And the bottom of the ocean is very cold!
Remeber, "Global Warming" is, in the mass populations, a fad that
people have no in-depth knowledge of, a mere conversational phenomenon
like Britny Spears or Paris Hilton. It is the masses who are
telling each other things with no verifiable basis. And this is
feeding back and magnifying itself.
(One of my occupations is analyzing search engine traffic. I've
seen very interesting phenomenon involving public opinion!)
Scientists are also subject to this fad phenomenon. Even worse,
because many scientific magazines no longer accept articles questioning
the basic premises of global warming -- that it is happening, that we
are guilty, and that it's going to be a disaster for our children's
children. So it is in a positive feedback loop at present, like so many
fad phenomenon are in their growth stage.
Yet when we discard land-based temperature readings, global warming
is not such a strong phenomenon. Indeed, the upper atmosphere is
cooling! the problem with land based temperature measurements is that
as we build up areas, the change in local ecology -- lack of trees, more
open fields, more paved areas -- raises the air temperature via solar
conversion, air movement pattern changes, and heat leakage.
All of this does not mean global warming is not happening. It may
still be. Though other data calls it into question.
And if it is happening, is it of our own doing?
There is considerable evidence supporting glacial cycles, yes?
they pre-dated humanity. That variation is considerably in excess of
what we have recorded and experienced in historical times. We are in
part of such a cycle, the higher temperature portion.
Causes which have been postulated include solar variations, orbital
variations, our passing through the plane of the sun's debris (reducing
the amount of solar energy we get), moss cycle -- moss kills too many
trees, rock cycle -- soil becomes too depleted and trees no longer
produce as much O2, carbonate cycle -- carbonates turning over in the
earth's crust spawn most of our volcanic activity, which may well have
cyclical curges, etc.
There is also considerable evidence supporting sunspot cycle
variations. And we are now in one of the extremes of observed cycles.
If any of those are correct, then we are not only not guilty, we
don't have much to do about it even if we try.
Geological evidence suggests far greater variations in global
temperatures and CO2 levels than humanity has experienced. There is
some mention of this in "The Noah Flood" by two oceanographers. (Very
interesting book! Pittman and Ryan???) Some time ago, maybe 12,000 -
5,000 years, temperatures were higher, plants were much more fruitful,
etc. Some call that the Eden Epoch.
Then there was the Maunder Minimum, a very cold series of years
which gave rise to our present cultures. Professor Burk of the
"Connections" TV series said we went from wrap-wearing lodge dwellers to
pant wearing house dwellers in effort to deal with the cold of those
times. This also transformed the central part of America from rich
meadowlands to the grassy Great Planes.
Now, I am not saying that Global Warming is not happening, nor that
we are entirely off the hook!
What I am saying is that all this talk of global Warming is not
based 100% on scientific facts, only on scattered evidence selectively
reported under peer pressure. it may well be true; or it may be wrong!
_WE_ do not know, and are basing some rather dangerous economic policies
upon little more than rumors mongered by those who want to believe
humanity is guilty of SOMETHING!
Ultimately, many would prefer to believe that those with the bucks
stole their good lives from those without the bucks. it relieves the
masses of the responsibility of not having lived up to their potential.
I think Fred Singer makes some valid points.
it is also interesting that Chriton, author of fairly scientific
novels such as The Andromeda Strain, The Deep, etc. has come to the
conclusion that global warming is a bunch of bunk. He normally
researches his work rather well.
I was hoping for some interesting discussion from those who know
more about specifics and those who are interested in the consequences.
> Something is going on with our oceans that is causing some of its
> population to behave in very strange ways.
I have not heard of this. What have you read about this?
> I am wondering if the earthquakes in the
> Pacific Ocean could be part of the cause for the disorienting behavior of the
> larger creatures.
I think that any such change would not last very long. Again, what
have you read or experienced that suggests this?
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Apr 30 11:46:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Reminder web addresses: Part three.
Message-ID: <20050430184610.22536.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
Reminder web addresses: Part three:
1. http://www.heall.com/body/askthedoctor/disease/cancer/orthomolecular.html
2. http://www.chirocity.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1573
3. http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues97/mar97/cover_jpg.html
4. http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Nelumbo+nucifera
5. http://www.tryptamind.com/nelumbo_nucifera.html
6. http://www.floraexotica.ca/Flower-Lotus.htm
7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelumbo_nucifera
8. http://store.asianfoodstuff.com/1462.html
9. http://shamanshop.net/store/proddetail.cfm/ItemID/15877.0/CategoryID/155500.0/SubCatID/3620.0/file.htm
10. http://www.shamanshop.net/mailorders.htm
11. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Nelumbo-nucifera
12. http://www.uta.edu/biology/arnott/poster/introduction.htm
13. http://www.tropilab.com/nelum.html
14. http://www.nps.gov/romo/
15. http://www.forging-ahead.co.uk/sculpture.htm
16. http://www.gardendome.com/WGD1_frameset.html
17. http://www.pfaf.org/
18. http://www.tulsagardencenter.com
19. http://www.lotusandrose.com/index.htm
20. http://www.lotusandrose.com/DewDrops/Hidden.htm
21. http://graphteccorp.com
22. http://www.dk-technologies.com
23. http://www.aeroflex.com
24. http://www.yokogawa.com/
25. http://www.yokogawa.com/daq/dx/daq-dx_01.htm
26. http://www.hiokiusa.com/
27. http://www.hiokiusa.com/modules/products/index.php?op=viewcategory&catid=5
28. http://www.monarchinstrument.com/
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30. http://www.ttiglobal.com/
31. http://www.empireinstrument.com/
32. http://www.spectracomcorp.com
33. http://www.gorilla.net/quote_rackmounts.htm
34. http://www.gorilla.net/index_rackmount_cases_industrial_computers.htm
35. http://www.gtweb.net/rackmount.html
36. http://www.gtweb.net/rackmonitor-lcd.html
37. http://www.kontron.com
38. http://www.rexresearch.com/index.htm
39. http://www.rexresearch.com/links.htm
40. http://www.amazing1.com/
41. http://www.edburrell.com/The_Trinity.html
42. http://www.new-hopebaptist.com/message/howtofollowchrist.htm
43. http://www.shopping.yahoo.com/p:Jablonski%27s%20Dictionary%20of%20Dentistry:3000904569;_ylc=X3oDMTB1c21tcDhkBF9TAzK2NjMyOTA3BHNIYwNmZWVKBHNsawNib29rcw--
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45. http://www.glossarist.com/glossaries/health-medicine-fitness/dentistry.asp
46. http://www.explore-medicine.com/dentistry/
47. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/6546629fa4a6615aa19afeb4da09e526.html
48. http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Antibiotics%20-%20A%20Medical%20Dictionary%2C%20Bibliography%2C%20and%20Annotated%20Research%20Guide%20to%20Internet%20References%3A%2A%20Medical%20Dictionary%2C%20Bibliography%2C%20and%20Annotated%20Research%20Guide%20to%20Internet%20References:3002809480;_ylc=X3oDMTB1c21tcDhkBF9TAzk2NjMyOTA3BHNIYwNmZWVkBHNsawNib29rcw--
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55. http://www.foxonline.com/tgcrystals.htm
56. http://crystal-life.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ncr10&Category_Code= (Most of the contents
of the Crystal-life Technology website are nonsense.)
57. http://www.tenspeedpress.com/catalog/posters/item.php3?id=1947
58. http://www.biospheretechnologies.com/
59. http://scan.berkeley.edu/biosphere99/pictures.html
60. http://www.stolaf.edu/people/porterfi/b2cpics.htm
61. http://arizonainformation.freeservers.com/bio.html
62. http://www.biospherics.org/
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78. http://www.globalmicroturbine.com/
79. http://www.microturbine.nl/
80. http://www.irpowerworks.com/products_microturbines.htm
81. http://www.mckenziecorp.com/microturbine.htm
82. http://www.math.okstate.edu/~rpsc/dict/Dictionary.html
83. http://www.stardrivedevice.com/over-unity.html
84. http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/n-mach.html
85. http://home.earthlink.net/~drestinblack/generator.htm
86. http://www.rexresearch.com/tewari/tewari.htm
87. http://www.tewari.org/
88. http://depalma.pair.com/
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93. http://www.classicgaming.com/mDb/m1/artwork.htm
94. http://www.classicgaming.com/Mdb/sm/artwork.htm
95. http://www.classicgaming.com/mDb/m1/m1art_np3.jpg
96. http://www.classicgaming.com/Mdb/sm/smart_sam01.jpg
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Apr 30 11:59:34 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global Warming?
In-Reply-To: <8d.261bfc21.2fa4e820@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 30,
2005 09:54:40 AM
Message-ID: <20050430185931.30608.qmail@mall-net.com>
I apologize, I hadn't seen the rest of your post when I started
writing. The lack of standard quote marks in the left, and the
trailer-like line across the screen made me think we'd ended. Quote
marks in the left have been standard on the interned for several decades
now. I would suggest you check at the configuration of your mail
handler.
>> Singer and Pelser (JM U, Liverpool) suggest that although global
>> warming can generate deaths; overall, it will reduce the number of
>> deaths across the planet by keeping other people from freezing to
>>death,
>> which they do in larger numbers. (Example, Siberia
> This is so FUNNY, who are these clowns anyway. I can't remember a summer
> in years that hasn't brought heat waves that are killers. Big cities open
> shelters for people who have no place to cool down. I will bet my best dog
> that in this country more people die of heat complications then freeze to death.
In this country, perhaps true. In other countries, hundreds of
people a day die directly or indirectly from the cold. People who are
cold get more diseases, need more food, etc. So I suspect the cold
deaths are somewhat under-reported, perhaps even in this country.
of course, I am somewhat biased, living in a cabin with a slightly
too-small furnace. The cold certainly saps my productivity.
> In areas on Earth that would be brutal for you or me to survive in, millions
> were born to that life style, they know how to live with the cold. A test
And expect to die from it. Remember, the news only repost what's
new and interesting, not what's expected. Plus, the news comes from
those who are technologically advanced. How much press does Eritrean get
when drought kills thousands vs, say, Michael Jackson? How much press
did Enron get vs Michael Jackson? Enron raped California, destroying
the retirement funds of investors, and many other things. Worldcom,
though less visible as it did not have California's industrial throat in
it's grasp, did much the same. Yet Michael Jackson gets press every day
for what, goofing off with several kids vs turning the retirements of
tens of thousands of people into dismal years of poverty? (Not to
minimize Jackson's legal responsibilities! If guilty, he should be
hung! So too, the Enronese and Worldcomese! By the way, Worldcom is
now called MCI, one of the companies it bought.)
> on natives of Alaska show their bodies have somehow mutated to increase the
> flow of blood to exposed areas in the extreme cold.
> Discovery Channel, a few years ago did the test with a couple of natives and
> one very cold interviewer.
Yes. And in the 50's, the Air Force did some experiments which
showed that many of the changes could be brought about by eating an
Eskimo diet. Not all changes! The Eskimo evolution has favored shorter
limbs and trunk to minimize heat loss.
>> Singer believes that the economic gains will outweigh the losses in
>> the USA and in other parts of the world.
>
> Sounds good, but lets take this apart and really look at it.
>
> If I'm hot, I turn on the air conditioner. Running 24-7 , WOW, look at my
> electric bill !!!
> Can't be done by everyone in this country at this time. We have those
> rolling brown outs every year because of the huge surge in people doing just that.
>
> So far I have no knowledge of any cooling machine that runs on wood, coal,
> gas or cow chips.
They are not common; but gas fired air conditioners do exist. After
all, we do have gas fired refrigerators in most RVs. I have one out
here.
> BUGS, Yikes, bugs all year, all kinds we have never seen before. They are
> coming here now and wiping out our native bugs, killing off the good bugs.
> What happens to our crops when these nastys are around 12 months of the year.
Last year was particularly bad here as the seven year cicadas came
out. I think this may have coincided with the 12 year cicadas, but I
don't remember that news article clearly. Not all bugs are out every
year. And rainfall, temperature, and wind variations do give rise to
changes in insect populations. I well remember the years we had huge
numbers of Japanese Beetles in New England, and the years we had
virtually none.
> Speaking of food, lots of our food needs cool or cold weather to grow as we
> are know it. Example, couple of weeks ago I found in the grocery store flats
> of strawberys from CA. These were huge, plump and beautiful. Got them home
> and prepared to fend off anyone that looked twice at my prize. After the first
> bite, I could not believe the taste, nothing, bland as a potato, no flavor
> blah. The berries we get in New England are almost too sweet, just
> delicious. So with the warming of earth, food will taste nothing like it is suppose
> to.
I do not think that your experience warrants that conclusion.
There are many cultivars of strawberries. It was the choice of the
farmer what to plant, and the store what to buy and sell. We have some
strawberry farms out here. They hare one of the most artificial setups
I've seen! Black plastic covers the earth, with strawberries grown
through holes in that plastic. Before they are grown, the soil is
sterilized with methyl bromide. Contrast that with the slightly larger
than pea sized strawberries one gathers in the wild. They do have more
flavor... but I think it in bulk, likely not per berry. And that
difference has everything to do with cultivation, nothing to do with
global temperature change
Our Wheat belt will move north into Canada, potentially expanding
the total wheat production. Russia will gain far, far more from a
similar shift in her own lands. Other crops for warmer areas exist,
though we are not necessarily familiar with them at present. But we
will be if the globe actually warms much.
> Gone will be all cold water fish ,crabs, lobster, no more Alaskan King Crab
> ( sob ! ) Some species will travel from where the reside most of the year to
> cold water to mate, that's not good news for them if they cant reproduce.
We may indeed find them less abundant; but since they survived
previous glacial cycles, one may assume that the species will survive
the present one, if in low numbers for some time.
Other species will take over as the ecological niches change. They
always have. Nature abhors a vacuum.
> All I see is that Mr. Singer thinks only of money and believes it is fine
> and dandy to rape and destroy his own home, Earth. It is my belief that this
> man is not only dangerous but a fat head to boot.
> Regards Vesta
You say this without presenting any real evidence that he is wrong,
or that as a professor, thus paid far less than what one may expect of a
bright man in industry, he is particularly interested in money. What
evidence do you present to support your conjecture?
_I_ think there needs to be a lot more discussion of the evidence
for and against, particularly against, global warming so as to balance
the topic. Geologically speaking, I think we get something like (very
roughly) 20,000 years of warmth between some 100,000 years of cold. We
are nearing the end of the warm period. It is clear that this warm
period IS NOT stable, and it is highly unlikely that it will last.
The only question is when will it end.
And so some day in the future, be it in fifty or five thousand
years, I see humanity trying to generate as much green house gas as we
possibly can!
Actually, since the last ice age ended with the release of some
methane clathrates in the Mediterranean sea triggered by an earthquake,
that should not be so hard. Plenty of methane clathrates for that.
And we will probably use at least some of that as fuel in the process.
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Apr 30 18:07:40 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr 30 15:07:57 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global Warming?
Message-ID: <68.54d784ff.2fa55bac@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/30/2005 3:00:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
javilk@mall-net.com writes:
You say this without presenting any real evidence that he is wrong,
or that as a professor, thus paid far less than what one may expect of a
bright man in industry, he is particularly interested in money. What
evidence do you present to support your conjecture?
I am sending you some quotes by people with world class educations in their
fields.
>Pope John XXII (1935)
"The signs are increasing
"The lights in the sky will
appear red, blue, green, rapidlly.
Someone is comming from very far
and wants to meet the people of Earth."Rickenbacker, Captain Eddie
Captain Eddie Rickenbacker
"Flying saucers are real. Too many good men have seen them, that don't have
hallucinations."
Captain Rickenbacker was known as, "American Ace of Aces," medal of
honor-winning commander of the 94th Aero Pursuit Squadron in WWI, with 26 "kills".
Weaver, DennisDennis Weaver
"I think there's alot of evidence that we've made contact."
YALE SCIENCE MAGAZINE
Yale Scientific Magazine (1963)"Based upon unreliable and unscientific
surmises as data, the Air Force develops elaborate statistical findings which seem
impressive to the uninitiated public unschooled in the fallaciec of the
statistical method. One must conclude that the highly publicized Air Force
pronouncements based upon unsound statistics serve merely to misrepreent the true
character of the UFO phenomena." Yale Scientific Magazine (Yale University)
Volume XXXVII, Number 7, April 1963
Alexander, Earl of TunBacon, RogeRoger Bacon
"Flying machines as these were of old, made even in our days"
Friar, 13th century.
Bryan, Colonel JosColonel Joseph J. Bryan III
"These UFOs are interplanetary devices systematically observing the earth,
either manned or under remote control, or both."
"Information on UFOs, including sighting reports, has been and is still
being officially withheld."
Bryan was founder of the CIA's psychological warfare staff, special
assistant to the secretary of the Air Force, advisor to NATO, and board member of the
National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon (NICAP).
--> LOOK BELOW ---<
I can see you shaking your head wondering what the heck has the belief in
UFO's to do with Mr. Singer. The fact is that Mr. Singer has not proven himself
YET in the science world. Also his mention of economy being helped by world
wide climate changes is outrageous.
I can see him now touring Arche Indonesia telling the survivors how very
lucky they are because of all the relief money flooding in. Now the economy will
really take off !!
Oh yes back to the UFO dudes above. All above are to be respected for not
only their opinions but for their accomplishments. I would love to have any or
all of them as a dinner guest, how interesting to learn how and why they come
to their conclusions.
Do I agree with them ? I don't think logic supports the idea. Sorry, only
little green men I have ever seen was outside a bar near the nuke plant down
the road.
Our renegade professors are fun to listen to, not to mention there is always
some truth in what they say. Professor Singer seems to know good Public
Relations, being a Devils Advocate is a sure way to get published, not to forget
fees from the seminars he will have, all sold out I bet.
> The Washington Times reports that one other scientist, Fred Singer,
director of the Science and Environmental Policy Project, and Professor
emeritus, U. Virginia, says this is nonsense; that heat can not "build
up" in the ocean "for later release". That would violate the laws of
thermodynacs<
I believe this is a good answer to the above.
"There are of course many phenomena in this world which are not explained
and it is possible to say that the orthodox scientist is the last person to
accept that something new (or old) may exist which cannot be explained in
accordance with his understanding of natural laws."
Earl Alexander was British Minister of Defense.
Regards Vesta
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr 30 16:41:10 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out LANL: The Real Story: Corporate carcinoma
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Apr 30 16:59:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global Warming?
In-Reply-To: <68.54d784ff.2fa55bac@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 30,
2005 06:07:40 PM
Message-ID: <20050430235950.33516.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I am sending you some quotes by people with world class educations in their
> fields.
Which are not the fields in question. And quite often the
observations of intelligent and careful people are later proven to be
due to things they did not know about.
I too, have seen UFOs. Some, I was later able to identify as
aircraft, satellites, or in one case, the moon. Others which were just
not clearly identifiable as anything; though there were plausible
terrestrial explanations.
I have also seen the stereotypical "big-eyed" alien face rather
often, only later recognizing the faces for the symbol one sometimes
sees. They were on the ranch. Seen in dim light, the heads of some
cows quite resemble that stereotypical alien face. All the ones I saw
were the heads of cattle.
You can not disprove the existance of UFOs. Any flying object you
can not identify is, by definition, an Unidentified Flying Object.
Real aliens? My parents were genuine aliens. They were later
naturalized as American Citizens. Like so many other aliens, they were
born in Europe, not the USA. Again, a matter of definition. They were
clearly terrestrial, biological, genetic humans. As am I.
I studied UFO phenomenon at one point. It was truly amazing,
indeed fascinating as to how people of different backgrounds will use
very different words to describe the same event. Even people of the
same background with different expectations will describe events quite
differently. This is not only the basis of much UFO conjecture; but
also the basis of both magic and good military practice dating back to
Sun Tzu.
Our brains are thematic feedback amplifiers. Seeing something sets
up expectations which cause us to interpret vague forms and motions as
having particular meanings supporting the main conjecture. Magicians,
priests, con men, and Generals use these expectations to their
advantage.
The most fascinating incident o fthis was a UFO which I saw one
night as a teen ager. It was a reddish dome flying along some stratus
clouds, portholes with beings behind them. It was HUGE!!! I finally saw
a real...
About that time, the back of my mind started pestering me. Isn't
that where the moon rises?
And with that, the interpretation of portholes with aliens
collapsed. The "porthole" images reverted to whisps of clouds curling
over, with other smaller whisps for what I had thought might be aliens.
With that, I burst out laughing at myself!
My mother was walking up the hill at that moment, so just for fun I
told her "look at the UFO!"
She was in shock! It took me perhaps 15 minutes to talk her out of
seeing it as a UFO. By then, the moon had all but cleared the cloud
layer, and it was damned obvious that it was The Moon! At least to me.
Sadly, I did not get to repeat this with my father, who is a
better, more technically oriented observer than my mother.
What I am saying, is that with some expectations set by others, we
tend to see what we expect, tend to interpret things as others expect us
to interpret them. My college psychology textbook had references to
psychological experiments to this effect done by the war department
around WW-II. Few, asked to rate aircraft visibility and identification,
would go against the group to say what they were looking at was a bird
even when it was obvious to them.
And this is the core of being a "Mad Scientist" -- The steadfast
belief that your observations are "more real" than others, even as you
try to see how others could misinterpret their data; and even more, how
you might misinterpret your data.
> I can see you shaking your head wondering what the heck has the belief in
> UFO's to do with Mr. Singer. The fact is that Mr. Singer has not proven himself
> YET in the science world. Also his mention of economy being helped by world
> wide climate changes is outrageous.
So it seems to you. Mind you, the converse has not been proven
either. All we see, are some signs. And peer pressure has convinced
many to ignore signs which contradict the mass assumption.
> I can see him now touring Arche Indonesia telling the survivors how very
> lucky they are because of all the relief money flooding in. Now the economy will
> really take off !!
> Oh yes back to the UFO dudes above. All above are to be respected for not
> only their opinions but for their accomplishments. I would love to have any or
> all of them as a dinner guest, how interesting to learn how and why they come
> to their conclusions.
Agree that they would be fascinating to talk to!
> Do I agree with them ? I don't think logic supports the idea. Sorry, only
> little green men I have ever seen was outside a bar near the nuke plant down
> the road.
Gee, than you've seen more green men than I have! Or maybe not.
the owner of a pitbull looked particularly green when he came running
toward me to save my life. He expected the dog, which had attack
training, to be chewing me up.
Fact was, the pitbull was leaning against me quite relaxed and
content as I petted it.
Expectations. The dog expected someone to flee. I stepped out of one
realm of expectations into another, that of a friend sitting on the
ground wanting to play with it. As those expectations gained more cues,
the dog changed its behavior and treated me like a good friend.
(This same dog nearly ripped the man's landlord's arm off and got
him evicted. The landlord had tried to flee, staying firmly in the
attack training posture.)
> Our renegade professors are fun to listen to, not to mention there is always
> some truth in what they say. Professor Singer seems to know good Public
> Relations, being a Devils Advocate is a sure way to get published, not to forget
> fees from the seminars he will have, all sold out I bet.
A devils advocate, from what I have heard, generally has a harder
time getting published. Indeed, it is often impossible in the
mainstream peer-reviewed press. Not so hard when it comes to books,
though.
> I believe this is a good answer to the above.
>
> "There are of course many phenomena in this world which are not explained
> and it is possible to say that the orthodox scientist is the last person to
> accept that something new (or old) may exist which cannot be explained in
> accordance with his understanding of natural laws."
Yep.
But what I see, is most people, mass and scientists, citing one set
of "evidence" while conveniently ignoring another set. This is not what
Feynman said science is. Indeed, he called that pseudo-science; and said
the world was quite full of that.
I don't know if the world is getting hotter or colder. I don't
know if the trend is sufficiently out of the norms for us to say yet.
And I know that I do not know!
All I know, is that most who speak of global warming dismiss or
ignore ANY signs which contradict their hypothesis.
And that, is the breakdown of science in their minds.
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