From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 20:57:25 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Apr 1 21:58:11 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I think Olanzapine is giving me a 'small' case of dementia, and other topics. Message-ID: <20050402045725.25866.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> I might as well be taking Morphine, instead of Olanzapine-Zyprexa. Too bad for me that I cannot have a perpetual absolute perfect doseage of morphine, to permanently numb my entire neurology. My psychiatrist has become worthless. Is it the same in the mainstream doctor world, as it is, in the backstabbing big business world, with constant competition between doctors? Javilk; I got a decent length of 10" O.D. PVC pipe today, luckily for free. If I have the time tomorrow afternoon, I am going to spend some time cleaning all of the dirt and grime off of it, since it has been outdoors for a long time, at the place where I picked it up. I might have to buy a new handsaw to cut the PVC pipe to size. The handsaw that I have, I have used so damned much, that it has become very dull. It occurred to me also, today, that the acid in the silicone RTV might actually eat the enamel of the magnet wire, just like plaque acid, eats tooth enamel. Regardless, I am still willing to give it a try, because I am so sick and tired of drugs. I didn't ask you in the past, what the time duration was/is, that you leave the coil around your head, turned on??? This is an important factor that I am taking into strong consideration. A local business, named Graybar, is a dealer for good quality, professional/industrial duty, Intermatic electrical timers. I am going to purchase a timer, to turn the audio gen, and the audio amp, off, after a specific amount of time; (at whatever the safest time interval is, that you operate your arrangement at. Can you inform me as to the what the maximum duration amount of time is, that you leave your coil powered up for, when you have it around your head??? I forgot to mention also, that I have a frequency counter, used for low frequency and high frequency signal measurement, that I purchased with a broadcast band radio transmitter. I don't know what I was thinking before, but the frequency counter will suffice, for the testing of the audio output of the amp, (at a low volume, with the audio gen turned on, and at high volume, with audio gen turned off, and the unmodulated loud volume output of the audio amp, to test and see what amount of 60 cycle noise interference that is inducted, to make sure that I have the audio gen, set at the right frequency. I have continuously tried to keep the audio amp rackmounted all of the time, since I first purchased it, but I guess that has never meant for me to rack mount it, because of all the times that I have needed to use it, it has always been out of the rack. I still worry about even the most minimal 60 cycle A.C. inductive interference to the 7.8 Hz., to the point of where it could have negative influence on my brain. I still would like specifics, on the volume level that you operate your coil at, in decibel unit levels, if that is the only way that you are able to explain it to me. My brain is so screwed up on Olanzapine right now, that I am having some trouble seeing straight, and I am both tired and miserable as hell, but I am going to go ahead and send this posting, as is, regardless of the damned mistakes; I hope that you will be able to make sense of any portions, where I might have mistakes in this posting. Sincerely, Clyde --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050401/c9802cc4/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Apr 2 05:28:37 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Apr 1 22:28:39 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I think Olanzapine is giving me a 'small' case of In-Reply-To: <20050402045725.25866.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 01, 2005 08:57:25 PM Message-ID: <20050402052837.96550.qmail@mall-net.com> > I might as well be taking Morphine, instead > of Olanzapine-Zyprexa. > Too bad for me that I cannot have a perpetual > absolute perfect doseage of morphine, to > permanently numb my entire neurology. Not good idea. Besides, absolute perfection isn't any fun! I mean, where is all that adventure and such of finding things out, getting washed away in the flood, and living to tell about it? What good is an adventure when you know how it will come out? You think crazy glue was invented by perfection? No some dame smashed a fantastically expensive lens, and in a fit of fear, made up some quick glue-like stuff to glue it back together. When the others saw the smashed lens, they wanted to take it apart for more work, found they couldn't, and... crazy glue was turned into a product. (They didn't fire her.) > My psychiatrist has become worthless. > Is it the same in the mainstream doctor > world, as it is, in the backstabbing big > business world, with constant competition > between doctors? Nah. There is little competition between doctors. It's mostly word of mouth, which means the golf circuit. > Javilk; I got a decent length of 10" O.D. PVC > pipe today, luckily for free. > If I have the time tomorrow afternoon, I am > going to spend some time cleaning all of > the dirt and grime off of it, since it has been > outdoors for a long time, at the place where > I picked it up. > I might have to buy a new handsaw to cut > the PVC pipe to size. > The handsaw that I have, I have used so > damned much, that it has become very > dull. You should be able to get blades which are specific for plastic. Is 10 inches enough? It would be a little tight for my head, I think. Well, maybe not. Guess my hat is only 9 and something inches in diameter. > It occurred to me also, today, that the acid > in the silicone RTV might actually eat the > enamel of the magnet wire, just like plaque > acid, eats tooth enamel. It's only acetic acid, vinegar. Probably not strong enough. Though that's why I preferred the Elmer's glue. > Regardless, I am still willing to give it a > try, because I am so sick and tired of drugs. > I didn't ask you in the past, what the time > duration was/is, that you leave the coil > around your head, turned on??? "Long enough" to see effects. For me, the nearly instant effect is like cleaning off my glasses. There are some longer term effects, but mostly I used it for five or ten minutes. > This is an important factor that I am taking > into strong consideration. > A local business, named Graybar, is a Ah yes, Graybar Electric. Bit pricy vs Ace Hardware. > dealer for good quality, professional/industrial > duty, Intermatic electrical timers. If you are sitting, you don't need it. A simple egg timer is good enough. I ran my medicine dosage using simple egg timers, did it for years that way. > I am going to purchase a timer, to turn > the audio gen, and the audio amp, off, after > a specific amount of time; (at whatever > the safest time interval is, that you operate > your arrangement at. > Can you inform me as to the what the > maximum duration amount of time is, that > you leave your coil powered up for, when > you have it around your head??? Five, ten minutes. > I forgot to mention also, that I have a > frequency counter, used for low frequency > and high frequency signal measurement, > that I purchased with a broadcast band > radio transmitter. > I don't know what I was thinking before, > but the frequency counter will suffice, for Yes! > the testing of the audio output of the amp, > (at a low volume, with the audio gen turned > on, and at high volume, with audio gen > turned off, and the unmodulated loud > volume output of the audio amp, to test > and see what amount of 60 cycle noise > interference that is inducted, to make > sure that I have the audio gen, set at the > right frequency. > I have continuously tried to keep the > audio amp rackmounted all of the time, > since I first purchased it, but I guess that > has never meant for me to rack mount it, > because of all the times that I have > needed to use it, it has always been > out of the rack. > I still worry about even the most minimal > 60 cycle A.C. inductive interference to > the 7.8 Hz., to the point of where it could > have negative influence on my brain. I doubt it would do much since you are in a sea of 60 cycles. > I still would like specifics, on the volume > level that you operate your coil at, in > decibel unit levels, if that is the only way > that you are able to explain it to me. I hooked up the milliamp measurement on my Fluke meter once, it was around 20ma. rms > My brain is so screwed up on Olanzapine > right now, that I am having some trouble > seeing straight, and I am both tired and > miserable as hell, but I am going to go > ahead and send this posting, as is, > regardless of the damned mistakes; > I hope that you will be able to make > sense of any portions, where I might > have mistakes in this posting. I know what you mean, I have wind from San Jose tonight, and it is making me tired. I don't do well with nitrous oxides from auto exhaust. I've been playing around with carbon dioxide therapy of late. Seems that the CO2 acidifies the blood, prompting the body to breathe more, thus disproportionately raising O2 content of the blood while buffering the alkalinity added O2 would cause. That's probably also why sodas tend to refresh --the added carbolic acid causes us to breathe deeper. I've not really done the homework of setting up anything to measure it, I just shoot off part of a CO2 cartridge in the room. This soon naturally prompts much deeper, yogic style breathing. The added O2 then prompts more metabolic activity, which produces more CO2, thus sustaining the effect for some time. It helps... but isn't going to cure me. Meanwhile, I just got a new 55 amp charger from Arizona Wind and Sun, which charges my batteries faster when I run the generator at night. Works A LOT better than the auto mattery charger I had been using before. -JVV- (javilk@Mall-Net.com) John V. Vilkaitis, Senior Consultant J. Vilkaitis, Consultants Put your site on our couch, and make it WANT to work harder. Web: http://www.SitePsych.com/ Field Office: 408-705-2284 Suite 800 915 San Tomas Aquino Rd Campbell, Ca 95008 From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 23:10:45 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Apr 5 23:10:56 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various things. Message-ID: <20050406061045.37143.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, I went to see my primary care physician today, and he refused to test me for Candida Albecans, but did give me a prescription for the drug known as: Clonidine. By this time tomorrow, I should be feeling good, from the effects of it. Relative to Clonazepam, Clonidine is said to not be addictive. Although the stance that I take, is that all drugs are addictve, if obsessed over. Regardless of my doctor's refusal to check for Candida Albecans, he let me get a blood test today, after I wrote up a list, of seven things to test for, including; Candida. So he may actually have the lab test me, for Candida, but he didn't inform me if that would be tested for, or not. So I will just assume that I have Candida, and start treating myself for it, if possible, like you did. Can you inform me to the ways and means that you treated yourself, for Candida? And did you cure yourself of it? I question if it could possibly be in my lungs if I have it, because it has become so damned difficult to breath now; to both automatically, and manually intake air at will. Clonodine, has got me wondering about the relationships in the chemical complexes of drugs that end in: ine. Since I experimented with Methamphetamine, and have taken Olanzapine for so long now, it has me wondering what the science is, behind these types of drugs, and the similarities in all of their chemical complexes. There is also: Morphine, that ends in, ine as well. Although I never experimented with that drug. The last subject in this posting: I luckily got the 10" outside diameter, PVC pipe, on Friday, for free, and I thought I was going to need to pay $25.00 for the broken length of it, that I got; so I got a damn good deal with that. I just need to make the time now, to clean it, and cut it to size. I had to work on both Saturday and Sunday. Today I had to run a mountain load of errands. And it also poured rain and hail, late this afternoon, while I was out running those errands. My handsaw is so damned worn out, but I imagine that it will still be useful, to cut the PVC pipe to the size that I will need it to be: Three coils total; the top and bottom coils spaced 6 inches each, from the center coil. I am worried a little, that I might get the volume/amplitude/electromagnetic field strength, too high. I need a concrete way to get the field strength (measurement), accurate to the field strength of your coils. This perfectionism of mine is somewhat of a curse, but without it, I would be worse off than what I am at, now. Sincerely, Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.coim --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050405/7cb6c1d1/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Apr 6 08:48:41 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Apr 6 01:48:53 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various things. In-Reply-To: <20050406061045.37143.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 05, 2005 11:10:45 PM Message-ID: <20050406084841.60542.qmail@mall-net.com> > I went to see my primary care physician today, > and he refused to test me for Candida Albecans, > but did give me a prescription for the drug known > as: Clonidine. That's not an anti-fungal. It's an anti-hypertensive. With the usual complement of corn starch (have any corn allergies?) food coloring (some have serious reactions to those...) and methylparaben (a possible sensitizer), propylparaben, etc. You can find more Googling it. Some of us with damaged Cytochrome P-450 systems don't do well with things like this. (Too far gone to look it up in my PDR tonight. Terrible night last night due to three mice keeping me up.) > By this time tomorrow, I should be feeling good, > from the effects of it. > Relative to Clonazepam, Clonidine is said to not > be addictive. > Although the stance that I take, is that all drugs > are addictve, if obsessed over. They say diuretics are better anti-hypertensives than anything else. Potassium is a good one, if not overdone, vitamin C helps too; but trace minerals are REQUIRED or you will run out of things like copper, magnesium, etc. and suffer. > Regardless of my doctor's refusal to check for > Candida Albecans, he let me get a blood test > today, after I wrote up a list, of seven things to > test for, including; Candida. > So he may actually have the lab test me, for > Candida, but he didn't inform me if that would > be tested for, or not. Professor F. C. Odds, in his textbook "Candida and Candidosis" says it is hard to test for candida, because while the infection is active, it is quite effective in soaking up all antibodies against it. Drs. Trowbridge and Walker lay out some simple effective therapies in "The Yeast Syndrome", a Bantam paperback in the $5 - $10 range. Dr. Crook's "The Yeast Connection" series really isn't as good. I'd try to get a copy of "The Yeast Syndrome". The rotating diet plan is excellent for the immune system even if you don't really have Candida! > So I will just assume that I have Candida, and > start treating myself for it, if possible, like you > did. > Can you inform me to the ways and means > that you treated yourself, for Candida? > And did you cure yourself of it? My big deal was _warm_ hydrogen peroxide and fresh squeezed garlic juice in the ears. Garlic and red onions tend to be quite effective as soup too; but there is the unpleasant part about smelling like garlic for three to four days afterwards. (Of course, that's after I ate a pound of garlic and two or three pounds of red onions made as soup the night before, and laced with acidophilous cultures to help get the gut ecology going again.) And if one does have an active infection, all the candida cells dying and spilling their toxic contents at nearly the same time often cause one substantial discomfort for some hours to a day. Plus the little problem I had of being evicted from two places and fired from another for making this witch's brew and smelling (reeking) of it. I'd eat it as three meals on Saturday, and one of my bosses would walk in to my office even Tuesday, grab his throat, and say "There are no vampires within 50 miles of here!" We'd laugh about that. He's a really good guy, came to understand a lot of my health problems and we worked together really well. We still talk every couple of weeks, and it's been some 17 years since the IBM project. We did some really good stuff at IBM then! He's one of the best and brightest managers I've ever had. In another place, they just marched me out the door... Ah, the life of a wandering consultant... After some two years of eating the stuff, I no longer had much of a problem. At least, till some idiot doctor prescribed a tetracycline derivative... Then WHAM! I had Candida again. Had to go on Diflucan plus other antibiotics, eat the heavy garlic and onion soups again, etc. > I question if it could possibly be in my lungs > if I have it, because it has become so damned > difficult to breath now; to both automatically, > and manually intake air at will. Suggests either respiratory or metabolic alkalosis. It's a problem with those who have low body temperature, vegetarians like myself, and those who have had serious carbon monoxide poisoning. Albert Donnay at http://www.mcsrr.org/ talks about CO poisoning, and other problems of those who are sensitive or reactive to many chemicals. Asthma-like symptoms, if this is what it is, and I don't know since I've never had "real" asthma, could be due to Aspergilis in the lungs. Some 10% of the genuine cases are found to have this. For me, sniffing CO2 recently has helped me trigger reflexes generating deeper breathing patterns. If one has low body temperature like I have, one probably has low metabolism, so one ends up with low CO2 generation and hence reduced breathing. We've just discussed this thing on the Immune list. Breathing small quantities of CO2 (less than 1 - 2% overall) acidifies the blood. Blood pH regulates breathing, so when the blood gets acidic, breathing picks up. That gets more oxygen into the system WITHOUT the effects of a bad pH rise, and in my case, that prompts an increase in metabolism, which then generates more CO2 to sustain deeper breathing long after the one or two sniffs of high quantity CO2. (Think seltzer bottles. Most BB gun CO2 cartridges are loaded with lubricants, etc. and is NOT for human consumption!) The other thing was to monitor urine pH. Yes, some idiot doctors get all upset when they see a person paying so much attention to their bodily functions; but it was an early warning sign seeing my pH shift upwards before I started having breathing problems, reacting to wood smoke, etc. A that point, I'd start taking more ascorbic acid. If I could keep the pH below 6, I'd not get that bad a set of reactions. If I didn't, it would get bad! Later, we started watching my blood pressure. Wood smoke and other things would make it fall from 120/70, to 96/... at about 98/..., I could barely write the blood pressure down. Much below 96/..., I couldn't even work the cuff to take it. Today, I'd also chart my body temperature! As it drops below 97.0, all kinds of things would start going wrong... and I do believe that it was the combination of pH and body temperature that was much of the problem. When a competent physician sees records like that, he may start believing something is wrong. Though those who don't... tend to want you to stop because you are showing them something they don't understand, and may be held liable for not understanding. In your case, the blood pressure and body temperature may go up instead of down, I don't know. I'm just saying that I kept some records which showed me clear phsyological responses, and the effect of my therapies. When I walked a summary of those records in to two young doctors at Yale, they... as one put it, the first time he read it he thought I was nuts; but he saw it was clear I was measuring something. On second reading it was clear I was doing science in treating myself, trying things and tracking the results. And so he read it the third time, thinking about what the effects of what I was doing were, and concluded I knew a lot more about the problem than they did. While that didn't help me... It did give me some sense that the approach was sound, and I was on the right track. Sometimes us mad scientists have to experiment on ourselves. > Clonodine, has got me wondering about the > relationships in the chemical complexes of > drugs that end in: ine. > Since I experimented with Methamphetamine, > and have taken Olanzapine for so long now, it > has me wondering what the science is, behind > these types of drugs, and the similarities in > all of their chemical complexes. > There is also: Morphine, that ends in, ine as > well. -ine often refers to something containing nitrogen, an amine, often an NH3 group; and often a base (alkaline) compound. Most amino acids end in -ine, (and are not basic...) as do some neurotransmitters, like Dopamine. The NH3 groups will not be the only thing determining the biological function of the compound. Not by a long shot! Chemical nomenclature is a complex subject which I am nowhere near able to discuss. I never got beyond naming simple things in some 200's level organic chem class. About then, I discovered The Computer, fell into the computer center, and was (almost) never heard from again. When I saw the next level of organic chem classes were pure rote memorization, I threw in the towel on that career path and went for computer science, where I could start building things NOW! > I luckily got the 10" outside diameter, PVC > pipe, on Friday, for free, and I thought I was > it to be: Three coils total; the top and bottom > coils spaced 6 inches each, from the center > coil. For a Helmholtz field, I believe one would then have to scale down the spacing to five inches between each of the coils. > I am worried a little, that I might get the > volume/amplitude/electromagnetic field > strength, too high. I only know one way of finding out, start low and slowly increase the power to the coil. > I need a concrete way to get the field > strength (measurement), accurate to the field > strength of your coils. Is it really important? Will you react exactly as all the other people do to a specific level of intensity? They don't all react the same way, so why should you? When my mind is going strong, 20ma has no real effect. When it is weak, 20ma is like having my classes cleaned and my mind unified and turned on. > This perfectionism of mine is somewhat > of a curse, but without it, I would be > worse off than what I am at, now. Don't know. The quest for perfection often keeps us from trying things just to see what effects we might find. Sometimes a quick and dirty experiment gives us ballpark numbers, enough to get an idea of what we are looking at or thinking about. That manager I mentioned above use to come at me with the question of how do you know the concept is even likely to work? Do a quick and dirty test or two, THEN, _IF_ that looks good, commit more resources to it. He was right. I'd often really spend a lot of time thinking things through, building elaborate things and doing elaborate proof of concepts tests against real-life / professional-experience examples in my mind before committing them to reality. But when I did the quick and dirty proof-of-concept prototypes, and SHOWED others the idea earlier, we'd get more people thinking about it, talking about it, brainstorming around it, showing up flaws I'd missed, buying in to it because they got to discuss, maybe even add ideas to it, and so I'd get more people helping build a better version of it than what I could do alone. Though that meant I did have to have a solid concept to start with, and work at selling the idea to the group. There are pluses and minuses to each approach. Well, mouse number two seems to have fallen into my trap? No, I don't see him there. I got the first mouse just as I started writing this. Now... ok, the second mouse seems to have quieted down for the night, left, or gotten killed elsewhere. I'm having a plague of mice crawling through here. They kept me awake all last night. Got one today in a glue pad, but another one has come in. I can hear it crawling among my stuff. I think I may have had three running around last night. Two foot high Teflon fence around this camp??? Sigh, probably too pricy. And a flaming moat is out of the question. Every time I poison one and it dies under my floor boards, I get breathing problems from the rot and I have to pull up some of the boards to vacuum clean the blasted thing out. As some cartoon character said, "I hate those meeces to pieces!" And it's that hate and sleepiness that's keeping me from dong the work I need to do. Good hearing from you again, Clyde. I was wondering how you were doing. Keep plugging away at it, even if but an inch at a time. The inches add up. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Apr 6 10:06:07 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 6 07:06:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various things. Message-ID: <30.6ff8f620.2f8546cf@aol.com> In a message dated 4/6/2005 4:49:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: For me, sniffing CO2 recently has helped me trigger reflexes generating deeper breathing patterns. If one has low body temperature like I have, one probably has low metabolism, so one ends up with low CO2 generation and hence reduced breathing. We've just discussed this thing on the Immune list. Breathing small quantities of CO2 (less than 1 - 2% overall) acidifies the blood. Blood pH regulates breathing, so when the blood gets acidic, breathing picks up. That gets more oxygen into the system WITHOUT the effects of a bad pH rise, and in my case, that prompts an increase in metabolism, which then generates more CO2 to sustain deeper breathing long after the one or two sniffs of high quantity CO2. (Think seltzer bottles. Most BB gun CO2 cartridges are loaded with lubricants, etc. and is NOT for human consumption!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------- Cheapest and best method I have found to acidify your body is plain old vinegar. You can buy a gallon of the stuff in the grocery store for around $ 2.00. When I arise I make a vinegar cocktail, a large glass, ice cubes ,water and 2 table spoons of vinegar. I take this cocktail before bed also. After 3 years of taking an expensive drug for so called acid reflex I heard about a homopathic test anyone can do to find out if they do in fact have the disease. When you feel an attack coming on, take a spoon full of vinegar. If the attack goes away you will know you are having the attack because of low acid not high acid. If the attack doesn't go away, then you do indeed have high acid. When your body is low on acid, your stomach will begin chugging out huge amounts of acid, since this all comes at once you do have an attack. Bugs in your gut YUCK, So easy to get from the food we buy. Bugs don't thrive in an acidic state. I carry a small bottle of vinegar with me and add it to the glass of water I am served with when I eat out, or get food from a vending machine at work or even when I have a meal at a friends house. ( naturally I don't tell them I am protecting myself from food poisoning at there hands, I let them think the vinegar is a medicine I take before meals ) I keep a bottle of vinegar in the bathroom, after a shower I wipe myself down with some as its a wonderful way to remove dead skin cells. Adding a cup of it to the bath water protects woman and girls to some extent from yeast infections. Start slow with this stuff, if you enjoy experimenting with things, this is the way to go. Try a teaspoon of it at first in ice cold water. When I began my self experiments I did not like the taste at all. I had to force myself to drink my cocktail every morning and night. It didn't take long before I began to like the taste so I upped the dose spoon by spoon full. I am writing to you because I believe you may have solved a question I have about why my breathing has become easier in the last few months and as I am not so cold all the time, at 55 degrees outside I needed a winter coat. The acid in the vinegar must be changing my metabolism in ways I did not understand until I read your post. I hope this info I am sending out can be of help to someone, you have helped me. Thank you so much. My respects, Vesta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050406/b9427cde/attachment-0001.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Apr 6 20:32:32 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Apr 6 13:32:36 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various things. In-Reply-To: <30.6ff8f620.2f8546cf@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 06, 2005 10:06:07 AM Message-ID: <20050406203232.32303.qmail@mall-net.com> >> For me, sniffing CO2 recently has helped me trigger reflexes >> generating deeper breathing patterns. If one has low body >temperature >> when the blood gets acidic, breathing picks up. That gets more >>oxygen into the system WITHOUT the effects of a bad pH rise, and in my >> case, > Cheapest and best method I have found to acidify your body is plain old > vinegar. You can buy a gallon of the stuff in the grocery store for around $ > 2.00. Oh yes, "Old Vermont Medicine", tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in a cup of tea. I use to love that!!! Catch is, I am now allergic to yeasts. Comes from the Candida episode. Last time I smelled apple cider vinegar was around 1997 in a grocery store where a bottle of some salad dressing with it broke. I was high on adrenaline for about an hour and a half, followed by total adrenal exhaustion -- I ended up putting my head down on the desk basically unable to move because I could not mount enough blood pressure. (I have very muscular legs from walking and running a lot in my youth, so when the muscle tone lets go, blood pools in my legs, leaving my brain a bit short.) I seem to recall doing a controlled fall to the ground and sleeping on the floor for perhaps an hour or two till the body built up enough adrenaline again that I could get up and go to bed. I understood what had happened, so I just shrugged it off. Not the first time! Once the immune system goes wacko... one can't do all the things one use to. And then the important thing is to identify sources which trigger the immune and other systems, and eliminate those sources as much as possible. > When I arise I make a vinegar cocktail, a large glass, ice cubes ,water and > 2 table spoons of vinegar. I take this cocktail before bed also. For me the best was half a tankard of hot water, a tablespoon of crystallized honey dissolved in it, followed by a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar, then fill the tankard with apple cider. The acidity would make my forehead sweat! I loved it!!! A tankard of that, a half foot thick computer printout, and what a night of creative mental work! > After 3 years of taking an expensive drug for so called acid reflex I heard > about a homopathic test anyone can do to find out if they do in fact have the > disease. When you feel an attack coming on, take a spoon full of vinegar. If > the attack goes away you will know you are having the attack because of low > acid not high acid. If the attack doesn't go away, then you do indeed have > high acid. When your body is low on acid, your stomach will begin chugging > out huge amounts of acid, since this all comes at once you do have an attack. Interesting! Makes sense! Other test is eating beets. If you don't have enough acid, you will pee red beet juice. If you have enough acid, your urine will be normal yellow. (And if you don't have enough B vitamins, your normal urine will be pale yellow, not bright yellow.) My favorite acidification item is pure ascorbic acid -- vitamin C. http://www.mall-net.com/cathcart/ has a bunch of papers from my doctor on vitamin C and how it works on us. I'm a little high on the dose, so can't take more without dropping Co Q 10 levels, which I don't want to do. > Bugs in your gut YUCK, So easy to get from the food we buy. Bugs don't > thrive in an acidic state. I carry a small bottle of vinegar with me and add it > to the glass of water I am served with when I eat out, or get food from a > vending machine at work or even when I have a meal at a friends house. ( > naturally I don't tell them I am protecting myself from food poisoning at there > hands, I let them think the vinegar is a medicine I take before meals ) Some use vinegar to clean with. I use hydrogen peroxide. Our guts are communities of bacteria, the good ones churning out things like B12 and some other B vitamins. If you don't have a good gut ecology, I think the brain no longer works right. Some literature suggests our bacterial colonies inside and out out-number our own cells. Most of them are our friends... and our friends tend to discourage our enemies. My doctor and other literature suggests there are three modalities of gut ecology -- the Acidophilous bugs, like Acidophilous, Bifidus, Bulgaricus, etc.; the yeasts, some of which generate alcohol, others of which generate lots of aldehydes and ketones, all of which tend to make us dull; and the things like Giardia Lamblia which really do a number on us. Simple mad scientist test -- capture fart in the bathtub using a cup, (to distance it from hair) and see if it ignites. If it ignites, you have Acidophilous bugs generating methane. If it puts the match out, you have yeasts generating carbon dioxide. When I feel good, it usually ignites. When I feel bad, it usually puts the match out. (this was three years ago, before I moved into the mountains where I don't have a enough hot water for a bath tub. I've only got 3 gallons at a time for a shower.) > I keep a bottle of vinegar in the bathroom, after a shower I wipe myself > down with some as its a wonderful way to remove dead skin cells. Adding a cup > of it to the bath water protects woman and girls to some extent from yeast > infections. Yes. the skin is the largest organ (probably by weight, not surface), and it is the site of a constant battle against bugs, including yeasts. Yeasts like alkaline environments, so if you are not allergic to yeasts, vinegar should work very well. I used a Bulgaricus based yogurt on the skin for about five years. Turns out most of the toxic bugs that were poisoning me were on the skin, not in the gut. (Though we had really, really blasted the gut with dietary things like that onion and garlic soup, red sauerkraut, rutabagas, acidophilous cultures, etc. see http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/afung.html ) A few days after starting the yogurt on the skin, the toxics load from my skin bugs was reduced to the point where additional toxics of air pollution no longer required my wearing an activated charcoal mask, which I'd worn 24/7 for two years. (If I wasn't a mad scientist, I'd have never figured out to wear the blasted gas mask, and as my doctor said, probably have died. He said he admired how I always managed to figure out how to survive when he thought it was going to be the end for me.) (I remember when I first saw the Pacific in 1986, it was all I could do to keep myself from hurling that mask into the ocean! But I knew I was going to have to use it again. I still keep one handy in the vehicle in case I get stuck in a traffic jam, etc. Makes a difference on longer commutes.) Doc started recommending the yogurt on the skin treatment with good results; but said he took so much flack from colleagues over it that he had to drop that recommendation. > Start slow with this stuff, if you enjoy experimenting with things, this is > the way to go. Try a teaspoon of it at first in ice cold water. When I began > my self experiments I did not like the taste at all. I had to force myself to > drink my cocktail every morning and night. It didn't take long before I began > to like the taste so I upped the dose spoon by spoon full. Try sniffing it first. If you get an adrenal jag, you know you're allergic and should not use it. > I am writing to you because I believe you may have solved a question I have > about why my breathing has become easier in the last few months and as I am > not so cold all the time, at 55 degrees outside I needed a winter coat. The > acid in the vinegar must be changing my metabolism in ways I did not understand > until I read your post. Hey, we're mad scientists, we can talk about these things! (Laughing!) I know what you mean, I use to wear a ski jacket in May! For me, the inner heat correction came from taking molybdenum supplements, which my doctor recommended. Solgar has a product i would take two of every day. but now that I am out of the major Silicon Valley air pollution basin, I don't need it as much. Also, my clotting time, which practically wasn't(!) in he valley, has come back to normal up here in the clean air. A couple of other things folks with dinged metabolisms and/or immune systems find useful: Vitamin C, Co-enzyme Q 10, Alpha-Lipoic acid, NAC, magnesium, and some of these trace mineral rich salts. Not all are useful to all, as our biochemistry is broken in different places. I get no benefit from Alpha Lipoic acid, nor NAC, though a friend with pesticide poisoning raves about how NAC restores her. Then again, she's not bothered by auto exhaust the way I am. Some of the things which get us include particle board and other source of formaldehyde, old books ("librarian's Lung"), algae in the water supply, and for the more sensitive, perfumes and most non-polar solvents. In addition, those who are not lactose tolerant, such as most Blacks and Asians, often get major problems from milk products. Two of Doc's Black patients commented, somewhat incredulously, that it seems all of the "Black Rage" of their youth was from milk allergies. Once they stopped using milk, the burning anger went away, and they found themselves taking a very different view of the world around them. > I hope this info I am sending out can be of help to someone, you have helped > me. Thank you so much. My respects, Vesta Glad I could help. You are very welcome. If you have a lot of other problems like this, you might find it interesting to look at the Immune mailing list, http://www.immuneweb.org/ where I and other immune, porphyria, and detox problem victims write a lot about this type of stuff. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 22:02:46 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Apr 6 22:25:54 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various things. In-Reply-To: <30.6ff8f620.2f8546cf@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050407050246.79079.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks also, Vesta, for your excellent response. I don't know if I will have time to respond back, in detail, to your e-mail, and to Javilk's e-mails as well. It is supposed to drizzle all day tomorrow, and it has rained all damn day today, here in this perpetual half assed city, of Tulsa, but I will be cutting the 10" PVC pipe to size, tomorrow, even if I have to do it in the fucking garage. This cursed city always has a dark cloud over it; No wonder why my pessimism is always so high, (or low, or whatever!!!). Clyde Vesta111@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/6/2005 4:49:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: For me, sniffing CO2 recently has helped me trigger reflexes generating deeper breathing patterns. If one has low body temperature like I have, one probably has low metabolism, so one ends up with low CO2 generation and hence reduced breathing. We've just discussed this thing on the Immune list. Breathing small quantities of CO2 (less than 1 - 2% overall) acidifies the blood. Blood pH regulates breathing, so when the blood gets acidic, breathing picks up. That gets more oxygen into the system WITHOUT the effects of a bad pH rise, and in my case, that prompts an increase in metabolism, which then generates more CO2 to sustain deeper breathing long after the one or two sniffs of high quantity CO2. (Think seltzer bottles. Most BB gun CO2 cartridges are loaded with lubricants, etc. and is NOT for human consumption!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheapest and best method I have found to acidify your body is plain old vinegar. You can buy a gallon of the stuff in the grocery store for around $ 2.00. When I arise I make a vinegar cocktail, a large glass, ice cubes ,water and 2 table spoons of vinegar. I take this cocktail before bed also. After 3 years of taking an expensive drug for so called acid reflex I heard about a homopathic test anyone can do to find out if they do in fact have the disease. When you feel an attack coming on, take a spoon full of vinegar. If the attack goes away you will know you are having the attack because of low acid not high acid. If the attack doesn't go away, then you do indeed have high acid. When your body is low on acid, your stomach will begin chugging out huge amounts of acid, since this all comes at once you do have an attack. Bugs in your gut YUCK, So easy to get from the food we buy. Bugs don't thrive in an acidic state. I carry a small bottle of vinegar with me and add it to the glass of water I am served with when I eat out, or get food from a vending machine at work or even when I have a meal at a friends house. ( naturally I don't tell them I am protecting myself from food poisoning at there hands, I let them think the vinegar is a medicine I take before meals ) I keep a bottle of vinegar in the bathroom, after a shower I wipe myself down with some as its a wonderful way to remove dead skin cells. Adding a cup of it to the bath water protects woman and girls to some extent from yeast infections. Start slow with this stuff, if you enjoy experimenting with things, this is the way to go. Try a teaspoon of it at first in ice cold water. When I began my self experiments I did not like the taste at all. I had to force myself to drink my cocktail every morning and night. It didn't take long before I began to like the taste so I upped the dose spoon by spoon full. I am writing to you because I believe you may have solved a question I have about why my breathing has become easier in the last few months and as I am not so cold all the time, at 55 degrees outside I needed a winter coat. The acid in the vinegar must be changing my metabolism in ways I did not understand until I read your post. I hope this info I am sending out can be of help to someone, you have helped me. Thank you so much. My respects, Vesta _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050406/3b205636/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 21:54:22 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Apr 6 22:25:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I hope that the e-mail correspondence has been, and is, beneficial to others as well. Message-ID: <20050407045422.46480.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, I hope that the e-mail correspondence on mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org has been, and is, beneficial to others as well, and not just me and me alone. I am working also, on compiling a lengthy list, of various websites that I am searching, studying, and researching subject matter, about. I will post that list, when I feel like it is complete enough. Sincerely, Clyde --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050406/b370da49/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 7 07:49:35 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 7 00:49:40 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I hope that the e-mail correspondence has been, In-Reply-To: <20050407045422.46480.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 06, 2005 09:54:22 PM Message-ID: <20050407074935.84557.qmail@mall-net.com> > I hope that the e-mail correspondence > on mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org > has been, and is, beneficial to others > as well, and not just me and me alone. I think it has. > I am working also, on compiling a > lengthy list, of various websites that I > am searching, studying, and researching > subject matter, about. > I will post that list, when I feel like it is > complete enough. Good. Before I became allergic to mold, I use to love light drizzles at night. If the heart is warm, the world is beautiful, especially when the moon or street lights glint off wet branches. Alas, the aftermath of drizzle is mold. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Apr 7 09:24:40 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Thu Apr 7 06:25:07 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various things. Message-ID: <111.47909ad4.2f868e98@aol.com> In a message dated 4/6/2005 4:33:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: Some of the things which get us include particle board and other source of formaldehyde, old books ("librarian's Lung"), algae in the water supply, and for the more sensitive, perfumes and most non-polar solvents. Old books, oh no , say it ain't so. I love the smell of books, new, and the especially old. I hope cardboard is safe, I work around tons of the stuff for 10 hours a day. Question, what is a non-pola solvent ? Perhaps I know it under another name. > Simple mad scientist test -- capture fart in the bathtub using a cup, (to distance it from hair) and see if it ignites. If it ignites, you have Acidophilous bugs generating methane. If it puts the match out, you have yeasts generating carbon dioxide. When I feel good, it usually ignites. When I feel bad, it usually puts the match out. (this was three years ago, before I moved into the mountains where I don't have a enough hot water for a bath tub. I've only got 3 gallons at a time for a shower.)< I had to laugh at the recounting of your gymnastics in the bath tub. Took me back to school days. Two of the biggest jocks on campus walked about bowlegged for days after a drunken night of lighting their own body gasses. Their problems may not have been so severe had they not eaten pickled eggs and cabbage before hand. > In addition, those who are not lactose tolerant, such as most Blacks and Asians, often get major problems from milk products. Two ofDoc's Black patients commented, somewhat incredulously, that it seems all of the "Black Rage" of their youth was from milk allergies. Once they stopped using milk, the burning anger went away, and they found themselves taking a very different view of the world around them.< I work with Asians and you hit the nail on the head when you say that milk for most of them is a big no-no. I don't know where they get enough calcium from to avoid bone problems. The older folks keep to their diets of 4 to 5 cups of rice, some greens and a small amount of meat.In their 60ies. they are strong as a horse and look 20 years younger. The younger ones with children eat more of our junk food and get fat and soft. Take-out Asian food is a treat for them as in their own home lands they never ate or even heard of anything like it, except for the white rice. Ice cream seems to be a big thing with those from Indonesia. I have seen one or two of them put on 40 lbs. in a year from gorging on BEN&JERRYS. > A couple of other things folks with dinged metabolisms and/or immune systems find useful: Vitamin C, Co-enzyme Q 10, Alpha-Lipoic acid, NAC, magnesium, and some of these trace mineral rich salts. Not all are useful to all, as our biochemistry is broken in different places. I get no benefit from Alpha Lipoic acid, nor NAC, though a friend with pesticide poisoning raves about how NAC restores her. Then again, she's not bothered by auto exhaust the way I am.< I try to avoid food supplements as much as possible. But, no one can get away from the things manufactures put in our food. Have you noticed the children lately? All the hormones in meat products are giving young boys and men breasts. Girls as young as 8 years old not only wear bras but need them. Becoming a vegetarian is no help for me, tried it for 2 years and had to quit. The old memory gland in my brain would kick in when the smell of roasting turkey, roast beef, steak on the grill, came dancing through the air. I tried the Asian diet, but the lust for mashed potatoes and gravy, baked potatoe with sour cream, chives and baccon bits would torment me. Most of all, arising early morning camping in the deep woods and smelling baccon and eggs frying, I knew I had to quit my diet as the smells from childhood were too much for me to ignore. There is one supplement I began taking a week ago and I hope it doesn't destroy my liver. It is called Elusun, the manufacture of this product avows that users will tan without the sun because the ingredients, natural carotene, tocotrienols, and borage oil will cause the skin to darken. What interesting things we do to our bodies in the search for youth. My respects, Vesta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050407/ad059fd5/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 7 06:41:11 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Apr 7 06:41:23 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I have lost my respect for this city. Message-ID: <20050407134111.8562.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> I have lost my respect for this perpetual half assed city of Tulsa, that is built on an economic and financial sinkhole. I'd like to move to Fort Collins Colorado, but the educational system is screwed up, and does not teach financial independence for all, instead; it suppresses it. I feel like blasting the fucking educational system, for its shittiness. Fort Collins would be an ideal place for me to move to,,,, if I could get an absolutely perfect, quality education, to further my life along. Clyde --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050407/e0b96bfd/attachment.htm From FMoore at POCO.com Thu Apr 7 10:21:09 2005 From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank) Date: Thu Apr 7 08:21:21 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various things. Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C97471DCBFF@pzisexch.poco.com> ________________________________ From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of Vesta111@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:25 AM To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Various things. Question, what is a non-polar solvent ? Perhaps I know it under another name. A: A non-Polar solvent is generally an organic liquid with is immiscible with water (a highly polar liquid). If a liquid had large overall charge separation between one end of the molecule and the other... then it is "polar" (in H2O... the Oxygen atom has an overall - charge, since the electrons contributed by the Hydrogen atoms are more strongly attracted to it. Conversely... the two Hydrogen atoms have a net + charge. Compounds with a more uniform distribution of charge are more likely to be "non-polar" Frank F. 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050407/6ee88842/attachment.htm From FMoore at POCO.com Thu Apr 7 13:10:17 2005 From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank) Date: Thu Apr 7 11:10:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] To Mr. Frank Moore Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C97471DCC01@pzisexch.poco.com> Hello Vesta, I believe one of the most common would be Turpentine. Xylene; Toluene; Naphthalene; and "Petroleum Spirits" are also not difficult for the average homeowner to obtain. Many paint removers and thinners will be composed (in part) by non-polar organic solvents such as these I mention. Granted... it will most likely be a die-hard "Do-It-Yourself"-er who will have greatest contact with these chemicals... But even the average homeowner may have some "de-greasing" or "spot remover" compounds around the house which also contain non-polar solvents. (Anecdotally... I helped my older brother Dennis install a lawn sprinkler system about 20 years ago. He became quite irritated when I chastised him for handling the "glue" used to bond sections of PVS piping together, without gloves on. In actuality... it was not a glue, per se. It was a mix of non-polar solvents that partially dissolves the PVC, so that the PVC bonds to itself when the solvent dries. But after I sternly reminded him that I was a Chemist and knew more about these things than he does... He acquiesced and donned the solvent proof gloves his wife had bought. Dang MBA's always thing THEY know everything ;-') ) Anyway... Even some women's cosmetics supplies, such as fingernail polish remover (not to mention fingernail polish itself) and the stuff used to loosing fake fingernails, can contain some pretty nasty stuff. (At least they use to. Haven't looked at ingredients for many years now.) Now the "every day person" isn't likely to have enough contact with these things to present an undue lifetime risk, unless they are already highly sensitized to exposure with chemicals. The best precaution I can advise is to always carefully read the ingredient labels of any household chemicals one brings into ones home. Even more so if one has young children or elders living with them. Keep the material well sealed in a dry place... Garage would be best, as a basement might be likely to retain any fumes that could be given off. Always treat these compounds with respect and use the appropriate PPE (Personal Protection Equipment)... Gloves; Goggles; or Fume Mask if necessary. Having said the above... Let me now say that I have have been a professional Analytical Chemist for going on 28 years (and most of my college and even high school years were spent in Laboratories... at a time when most people gave little thought to dermal contact with solvents) and have handled just about every solvent ever produced. Trichloroethylene; Carbon Tetra-Chloride; Tetrahydrofuran; and Benzene... in addition to the ones I mentioned above. Handled properly... With the proper precautions... and in a suitable environment with adequate ventilation... The long term risks of exposure are vanishingly small. BTW - I'm 50yo and in excellent health. HTH, Frank F. Moore ________________________________ From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of Vesta111@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:58 AM To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: [Mad-Scientists] To Mr. Frank Moore Thank you Sir for the info on non-solvents. Can you name a couple of them, are they used to clean homes, garages, industrial plants ? How would an every day person come in contact with them ? My Respects Vesta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <111.47909ad4.2f868e98@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 07, 2005 09:24:40 AM Message-ID: <20050407201553.93861.qmail@mall-net.com> > Some of the things which get us include particle board and other > source of formaldehyde, old books ("librarian's Lung"), algae in the > water supply, and for the more sensitive, perfumes and most non-polar > solvents. > >> Old books, oh no , say it ain't so. I love the smell of books, new, >>and the especially old. It depends on your immune system. Some people get sensitized easily, some don't. I use to love libraries. I was out researching things at Stanford, when I started getting short of breath. It was much, much worse the next time, so I gave up. Now, two breaths in a library, and I don't get much oxygen through my lungs. I presume that's an asthma attack, even if there is no coughing. > I hope cardboard is safe, I work around tons of the stuff for 10 hours a day. Much cardboard has anti-fungal chemicals and nasty glues in it. If you are not having obvious symptoms, unusual tiredness, etc. then for now you are probably ok. For those of us with chem problems, some of us react, some don't. Depends on our history, our level of exposure to other toxins (how loaded our detox pathways are), and how much exposure. One friend needs oxygen on exposure to mild pesticides, I don't. I get into trouble from too much auto exhaust, she doesn't. Different damage in the biochemical pathways of life. Some people have the biochemistry to withstand almost anything, others don't. Mostly, we are mixes, person A will withstand 1, 2, and 3, dying from 4, 5, and 6. Person B will die of 2 and 4. C might go from all of them but 1. But person C will need 20% more food to keep his liver working to detox all those things, so he will be among the first to die in a famine. Person D, will fall from all of those, but needs 20% less food, so can survive on a very meager diet. Person D is probably an American Indian... and his inability to rapidly detox alcohol is why he's a candidate for alcoholism. Bacteria generate all kinds of toxins in huge quantities, so this mixing insures some survive plagues, famines, etc. > Question, what is a non-pola solvent ? Perhaps I know it under another name. Already answered as usually organic liquid that does not mix with water. Benzine, Acetone, Toluene (which by the way is also produced by stressed plants to discourage caterpillars) and the like. > > Simple mad scientist test -- capture fart in the bathtub using a > I had to laugh at the recounting of your gymnastics in the bath tub. Took me > back to school days. Two of the biggest jocks on campus walked about > bowlegged for days after a drunken night of lighting their own body gases. Their > problems may not have been so severe had they not eaten pickled eggs and > cabbage before hand. Ho Ho!!! I remember one of th Darwin award nominees died from inadequate ventillation and a diet heavy on cabbage. Acidophilous bacteria LOVE cabbage! Yeasts can't take red cabbage. It's the anthocyanins, which also give it color. > > In addition, those who are not lactose tolerant, such as most Blacks and > I work with Asians and you hit the nail on the head when you say that milk > for most of them is a big no-no. I don't know where they get enough calcium > from to avoid bone problems. The older folks keep to their diets of 4 to 5 cups > of rice, some greens and a small amount of meat.In their 60ies. they are > strong as a horse and look 20 years younger. Yep. I forget what the magical ingredient is... some starchy stuff I read about. On one island, 100 to 110 is not an uncommon age. They gripe their kids move away, start eating other foods, and die in their 60's to 80s. > > A couple of other things folks with dinged metabolisms and/or > > immune systems find useful: Vitamin C, Co-enzyme Q 10, Alpha-Lipoic > I try to avoid food supplements as much as possible. But, no one can get > away from the things manufactures put in our food. Have you noticed the children > lately? All the hormones in meat products are giving young boys and men > breasts. Girls as young as 8 years old not only wear bras but need them. It isn't just the food... hormone analogues are all over in the plastics, paints, etc. > Becoming a vegetarian is no help for me, tried it for 2 years and had to > quit. The old memory gland in my brain would kick in when the smell of roasting > turkey, roast beef, steak on the grill, came dancing through the air. I tried > the Asian diet, but the lust for mashed potatoes and gravy, baked potatoe > with sour cream, chives and baccon bits would torment me. Most of all, arising > early morning camping in the deep woods and smelling baccon and eggs frying, > I knew I had to quit my diet as the smells from childhood were too much for > me to ignore. Lucky you. I can't eat half that stuff. I had to get on a rotating diet because of leaky gut syndrome. > There is one supplement I began taking a week ago and I hope it doesn't > destroy my liver. > It is called Elusun, the manufacture of this product avows that users will > tan without the sun because the ingredients, natural carotene, tocotrienols, > and borage oil will cause the skin to darken. What interesting things we > do to our bodies in the search for youth. The carotinoids are tremendous anti-oxidants. Borage oil is also loaded with good stuff, including omega 3 and 6 oils, which are very healthy for us in reasonable quantities. The other stuff, google... Really good stuff too! "Tocotrienols are members of the vitamin E family. Like vitamin E, tocotrienols are potent antioxidants against lipid peroxidation (the damaging of fats by ... www.vitacost.com/science/hn/Supp/Tocotrienols.htm - 82k - Cached - " Does make you wonder if a really HEALTHY person, on a HEALTHY diet, isn't supposed to be a little darker... Me, renting a condo insulated with urea formaldehyde insulation for a month did really serious damage to my detoxification pathways. I fall down with very, very low blood pressure when exposed to many non-polar solvents and many (but not all) fungi. Been that way for over 20 years now. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From FMoore at POCO.com Thu Apr 7 15:47:49 2005 From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank) Date: Thu Apr 7 13:47:58 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various things. Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C97471DCC03@pzisexch.poco.com> Everything you say is quite correct, John. All of us are as distinct and individual, in an immunological sense, as we are in any other way. Frank F. Moore -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of javilk@mall-net.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 3:16 PM To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Various things. > Some of the things which get us include particle board and other > source of formaldehyde, old books ("librarian's Lung"), algae in the > water supply, and for the more sensitive, perfumes and most non-polar > solvents. > >> Old books, oh no , say it ain't so. I love the smell of books, new, >>and the especially old. It depends on your immune system. Some people get sensitized easily, some don't. I use to love libraries. I was out researching things at Stanford, when I started getting short of breath. It was much, much worse the next time, so I gave up. Now, two breaths in a library, and I don't get much oxygen through my lungs. I presume that's an asthma attack, even if there is no coughing. > I hope cardboard is safe, I work around tons of the stuff for 10 hours a day. Much cardboard has anti-fungal chemicals and nasty glues in it. If you are not having obvious symptoms, unusual tiredness, etc. then for now you are probably ok. For those of us with chem problems, some of us react, some don't. Depends on our history, our level of exposure to other toxins (how loaded our detox pathways are), and how much exposure. One friend needs oxygen on exposure to mild pesticides, I don't. I get into trouble from too much auto exhaust, she doesn't. Different damage in the biochemical pathways of life. Some people have the biochemistry to withstand almost anything, others don't. Mostly, we are mixes, person A will withstand 1, 2, and 3, dying from 4, 5, and 6. Person B will die of 2 and 4. C might go from all of them but 1. But person C will need 20% more food to keep his liver working to detox all those things, so he will be among the first to die in a famine. Person D, will fall from all of those, but needs 20% less food, so can survive on a very meager diet. Person D is probably an American Indian... and his inability to rapidly detox alcohol is why he's a candidate for alcoholism. Bacteria generate all kinds of toxins in huge quantities, so this mixing insures some survive plagues, famines, etc. > Question, what is a non-pola solvent ? Perhaps I know it under another name. Already answered as usually organic liquid that does not mix with water. Benzine, Acetone, Toluene (which by the way is also produced by stressed plants to discourage caterpillars) and the like. > > Simple mad scientist test -- capture fart in the bathtub using a > I had to laugh at the recounting of your gymnastics in the bath tub. > Took me back to school days. Two of the biggest jocks on campus walked > about bowlegged for days after a drunken night of lighting their own > body gases. Their problems may not have been so severe had they not > eaten pickled eggs and cabbage before hand. Ho Ho!!! I remember one of th Darwin award nominees died from inadequate ventillation and a diet heavy on cabbage. Acidophilous bacteria LOVE cabbage! Yeasts can't take red cabbage. It's the anthocyanins, which also give it color. > > In addition, those who are not lactose tolerant, such as most > > Blacks and > I work with Asians and you hit the nail on the head when you say that > milk for most of them is a big no-no. I don't know where they get > enough calcium from to avoid bone problems. The older folks keep to > their diets of 4 to 5 cups of rice, some greens and a small amount of > meat.In their 60ies. they are strong as a horse and look 20 years younger. Yep. I forget what the magical ingredient is... some starchy stuff I read about. On one island, 100 to 110 is not an uncommon age. They gripe their kids move away, start eating other foods, and die in their 60's to 80s. > > A couple of other things folks with dinged metabolisms and/or > > immune systems find useful: Vitamin C, Co-enzyme Q 10, > > Alpha-Lipoic > I try to avoid food supplements as much as possible. But, no one can get > away from the things manufactures put in our food. Have you noticed the children > lately? All the hormones in meat products are giving young boys and men > breasts. Girls as young as 8 years old not only wear bras but need them. It isn't just the food... hormone analogues are all over in the plastics, paints, etc. > Becoming a vegetarian is no help for me, tried it for 2 years and had to > quit. The old memory gland in my brain would kick in when the smell of roasting > turkey, roast beef, steak on the grill, came dancing through the air. I tried > the Asian diet, but the lust for mashed potatoes and gravy, baked potatoe > with sour cream, chives and baccon bits would torment me. Most of all, arising > early morning camping in the deep woods and smelling baccon and eggs frying, > I knew I had to quit my diet as the smells from childhood were too much for > me to ignore. Lucky you. I can't eat half that stuff. I had to get on a rotating diet because of leaky gut syndrome. > There is one supplement I began taking a week ago and I hope it doesn't > destroy my liver. > It is called Elusun, the manufacture of this product avows that users will > tan without the sun because the ingredients, natural carotene, tocotrienols, > and borage oil will cause the skin to darken. What interesting things we > do to our bodies in the search for youth. The carotinoids are tremendous anti-oxidants. Borage oil is also loaded with good stuff, including omega 3 and 6 oils, which are very healthy for us in reasonable quantities. The other stuff, google... Really good stuff too! "Tocotrienols are members of the vitamin E family. Like vitamin E, tocotrienols are potent antioxidants against lipid peroxidation (the damaging of fats by ... www.vitacost.com/science/hn/Supp/Tocotrienols.htm - 82k - Cached - " Does make you wonder if a really HEALTHY person, on a HEALTHY diet, isn't supposed to be a little darker... Me, renting a condo insulated with urea formaldehyde insulation for a month did really serious damage to my detoxification pathways. I fall down with very, very low blood pressure when exposed to many non-polar solvents and many (but not all) fungi. Been that way for over 20 years now. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 7 20:49:31 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 7 13:49:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] To Mr. Frank Moore In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C97471DCC01@pzisexch.poco.com> from "Moore, Frank" at Apr 07, 2005 01:10:17 PM Message-ID: <20050407204931.13532.qmail@mall-net.com> > PVC, so that the PVC bonds to itself when the solvent dries. But after > I sternly reminded him that I was a Chemist and knew more about these > things than he does... He acquiesced and donned the solvent proof gloves > his wife had bought. Dang MBA's always thing THEY know everything ;-') They have an overview of how people work together... sometimes why. But what I've heard from some MBAs, is that the MBA is much over-rated. > Even some women's cosmetics supplies, such as fingernail polish > remover (not to mention fingernail polish itself) and the stuff used to > loosing fake fingernails, can contain some pretty nasty stuff. (At > least they use to. Haven't looked at ingredients for many years now.) Still do. Acetone. > Now the "every day person" isn't likely to have enough contact with > these things to present an undue lifetime risk, unless they are already > highly sensitized to exposure with chemicals. The best precaution I can > advise is to always carefully read the ingredient labels of any I fall down from glossy lipstick and some perfumes. I have to look women in the lips and decide whether to move away or not, sniff the air and decide whether to run or not. (Though I can't smell all the compounds that get me.) I can't even be in an office setting where whiteboard markers are used much. Known carcinogens in many of the whiteboard markers. And cosmetics ingredients are considered proprietary, so they need not be disclosed. Some face powders use urethanes. Most perfumes use non-polar solvents as loftants, etc. The stuff is just plain toxic! Does the cosmetic industry care? Heck no! Some is toxic enough, that Marin county in California banned the use of excess perfume products. Something like 10% to 30% of the general population admit they are affected by strong perfumes. Then there are the odor killer products, plug-ins which loft chemicals to anesthetize the nasal nerves. It has to be bad enough to impair nervous function to kill other odors; so you know it's bad stuff. Again, people like myself fall over or get really confused near those things because the chemicals build up in our brains. And then there's furniture wax, aerosol propellant (often butane), plasticizers in softer plastics like Vinyl... Now, as a mad scientist, I occasionally do experiments with chemicals. Full face gas mask!!! Outside!!! Fans!!! Etc. > Having said the above... Let me now say that I have have been a > professional Analytical Chemist for going on 28 years (and most of my > college and even high school years were spent in Laboratories... at a > time when most people gave little thought to dermal contact with > solvents) and have handled just about every solvent ever produced. > Trichloroethylene; Carbon Tetra-Chloride; Tetrahydrofuran; and > Benzene... in addition to the ones I mentioned above. Handled > properly... With the proper precautions... and in a suitable environment > with adequate ventilation... The long term risks of exposure are > vanishingly small. > BTW - I'm 50yo and in excellent health. Some people... You... The famines will get you! (Laughing!) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From agassi at erols.com Thu Apr 7 17:03:31 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:03:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] To Mr. Frank Moore In-Reply-To: <20050407204931.13532.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of > javilk@mall-net.com > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:50 PM > To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] To Mr. Frank Moore > > > > PVC, so that the PVC bonds to itself when the solvent dries. But after > > I sternly reminded him that I was a Chemist and knew more about these > > things than he does... He acquiesced and donned the solvent proof gloves > > his wife had bought. Dang MBA's always thing THEY know everything ;-') > > They have an overview of how people work together... sometimes why. > But what I've heard from some MBAs, is that the MBA is much over-rated. > The MBA, if worth a damn, knows something vital and indispensable to any mad scientist. How to raise capital for world domination schemes! Also how to organize the project. Now, a mad scientist is expected to be megalomaniacal, but actually, it is crucial to understand that the most important partner is always the other fellow able to contribute anything that I myself cannot do alone. Even though, at the same time, everyone must be held replaceable, so as not to hold the entire venture ransom by passive hostility. > > Even some women's cosmetics supplies, such as fingernail polish > > remover (not to mention fingernail polish itself) and the stuff used to > > loosing fake fingernails, can contain some pretty nasty stuff. (At > > least they use to. Haven't looked at ingredients for many years now.) > > Still do. Acetone. > > > Now the "every day person" isn't likely to have enough contact with > > these things to present an undue lifetime risk, unless they are already > > highly sensitized to exposure with chemicals. The best precaution I can > > advise is to always carefully read the ingredient labels of any > > I fall down from glossy lipstick and some perfumes. I have to look > women in the lips and decide whether to move away or not, sniff the air > and decide whether to run or not. (Though I can't smell all the > compounds that get me.) I can't even be in an office setting where > whiteboard markers are used much. Known carcinogens in many of the > whiteboard markers. And cosmetics ingredients are considered > proprietary, so they need not be disclosed. Some face powders use > urethanes. Most perfumes use non-polar solvents as loftants, etc. The > stuff is just plain toxic! Does the cosmetic industry care? Heck no! > Some is toxic enough, that Marin county in California banned the use of > excess perfume products. Something like 10% to 30% of the general > population admit they are affected by strong perfumes. > > Then there are the odor killer products, plug-ins which loft > chemicals to anesthetize the nasal nerves. It has to be bad enough to > impair nervous function to kill other odors; so you know it's bad stuff. > Again, people like myself fall over or get really confused near those > things because the chemicals build up in our brains. > > And then there's furniture wax, aerosol propellant (often butane), > plasticizers in softer plastics like Vinyl... > > Now, as a mad scientist, I occasionally do experiments with > chemicals. Full face gas mask!!! Outside!!! Fans!!! Etc. > > > Having said the above... Let me now say that I have have been a > > professional Analytical Chemist for going on 28 years (and most of my > > college and even high school years were spent in Laboratories... at a > > time when most people gave little thought to dermal contact with > > solvents) and have handled just about every solvent ever produced. > > Trichloroethylene; Carbon Tetra-Chloride; Tetrahydrofuran; and > > Benzene... in addition to the ones I mentioned above. Handled > > properly... With the proper precautions... and in a suitable environment > > with adequate ventilation... The long term risks of exposure are > > vanishingly small. > > BTW - I'm 50yo and in excellent health. > > Some people... You... The famines will get you! (Laughing!) > > -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) > CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. > Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. > My opinions are subject to the availability of information. > I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. > > For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices > orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. > Today's Art Photo > Chem / Fungus allergies > Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. > Arthritis > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 7 21:25:24 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:25:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I have lost my respect for this city. In-Reply-To: <20050407134111.8562.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 07, 2005 06:41:11 AM Message-ID: <20050407212524.32130.qmail@mall-net.com> > I have lost my respect for this perpetual half > assed city of Tulsa, that is built on an > economic and financial sinkhole. Lots of places are like that. But only if you adhere to conventional norms on working for others. Opportunity does not knock once; it batters everyones doors over and over and over again! We just mistake it for other things. There are myriads of needs no one is addressing. Open your eyes, use your imagination (and imagine things deeply enough to discard 99% as unworkable before trying them....) etc. > I'd like to move to Fort Collins Colorado, but > the educational system is screwed up, and > does not teach financial independence for > all, instead; it suppresses it. How old are you, Clyde? Have you watched "Trump: The Apprentice?" This season it started out with the book smart higher educated candidates vs the high school grads. Guess what! The high school grads had, on average, three times the income of the college grads. Why? Because they went and TRIED things! > I feel like blasting the fucking educational > system, for its shittiness. Why bother. We need droids and Igors. It's a good source that mollifies most people, keeps them from revolting. > Fort Collins would be an ideal place for me > to move to,,,, if I could get an absolutely > perfect, quality education, to further my life > along. The best education you can get, is the one you get from YOUR OWN experience and reading in the libraries. If you are careful, it won't be too expensive. Edison? Tesla? They did not rely on their education, they went beyond it via experimentation. Academics will never teach you how to build that latest invention. That invention is not yet known, not in the books, and most academics, when they first see it, will try to explain to you why it is not needed and/or not possible. You have to imagine it first, imagine it in growing detail in your mind, researching and experimenting to learn how to build it in the real world. Invention usually starts with seeing a need. It first grows in your imagination. What is keeping you from Fort Collins? More, what about Fort Collins is better than where you are? What level of contacts do you have in your present city who feed you opportunities to DO new things? Those are the people to be near more often. I still say, Clyde, that you need to get yourself a cheap digital camera, and go prowling the city for beauty, color, etc. You need to learn to open your eyes. Till I started that in my late teens, i didn't really SEE things! (They do say that till you start to draw things, you don't see things. So maybe that is an alternative to a camera if you can't afford one.) Then try to describe the things you photograph, so as to awaken your abilities with words. Compared to how we use to live in the dim pre-historic ages, and even early historic ages, this is heaven! We live three times as long as in the wild, have comfortable warm homes, no choking wood smoke in the tents and cabins, no huddling under layers of animal hides, etc. Knowledge wise, we do indeed stand on the shoulders of giants, as Newton said HE did! We stand on his shoulders!!! And now with the internet, it is INCREDIBLE what vast quantities information is at our fingertips! This is the greatest age that has ever been! It eclipses Ancient Athens! But of course, you can drown in information just as well as drown for lack of it. Not to mention the constant distractions of the TV (don't have a working one here.) and all this information. The real problem, is finding a question to ask which will fascinate one enough to really pursue. For Vangelis the composer, it was sound. For Newton, it was Gravity, and so many other things. Leonardo filled notebooks with not just observations, but all kinds of questions! Find something. A camera is a good start, in that it teaches you the discipline of framing something, of SEEING something, of seeking something. It awakens the imagination, because you have to SEE the final picture in your mind before you start moving around to frame what is to match what you see in your mind. That is vital mental exercise! As Einstein said, "imagination is more important than facts." For once one sees something in one's mind, one can find the facts needed to support and build it, or in the course of that pursuit, one learns what one didn't know. You have tremendous power within your mind, Clyde. You just have to focus it a little more on something that fascinates you. You need to seek the fascinating aspects of what is around you. Framing them for photographs is one of the things that got me going. Of course, health is a problem for both of us... but there is still much that we can do. The photos at http://www.mall-net.com/today/ all came from my getting up early in the morning and wandering an awful dirt road. The thing was the commitment to do it every morning, to take some pictures, some INTERESTING, ODD pictures every morning. (And yes, I failed a lot too!) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Apr 7 18:29:21 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Thu Apr 7 15:29:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Every day person Message-ID: <1a0.3145ff73.2f870e41@aol.com> In a message dated 4/7/2005 5:04:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, agassi@erols.com writes: > Now the "every day person" isn't likely to have enough contact with > > these things to present an undue lifetime risk, unless they are already > > highly sensitized to exposure with chemicals. The best precaution I can > > advise is to always carefully read the ingredient labels of any Yah, Right !!! Just who are everyday people ?? In our beautiful country we have the old timers, people over 70, eyesight is going, knowledge of ingredients nil, how are they to know?? My friend is 25, she could not read the small print on a bottle of paint thinner, we got out a magnifier and with that devise it was 30 minutes before we could write down the minnie words. We then had to go to the computer to look up the ingredients and then it was all gobbligook to us. We every day people are not chemists, even if we were we would most likely take the word of our superiors, you know how it goes, don't buck the system. Check out a small bottle of Bayer, can you with or without glasses read anything beyond the name of the product? So, I decide to get wall to wall carpeting, will I be told what chemicals are in that rug?? Suppose I am given a list of chemicals in said rug, I am 70 years old, am I suppose to research this stuff ?? I am a 30 year old accountant I buy a mobile home, used. Do you really expect me to research each and every product used in the manufacture of my home? It is impossible for people in todays age or any age to know what is in the product they are making a part of their life. We every day people are the sheep, we have no choice but to trust our doctors for instance. Big news on CNN, the medicine our trusted Doctor has given us a perscription for is now harm full and taken off the market. All the adds on t.v. by the pill pushers, what a mess. The way medicine is today anyone can go to their doctor and say, "gee, I saw this add on t.v. for eupas and I think I have that problem." Doctors are paid by the pill pushers to give out their drugs. What do Doctors know about pharmacology ??? You can read each and every word on a label for anything you buy but can even the best chemists understand what the manufacture has written ???????????? My respects Vesta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050407/3b21adca/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 7 22:45:22 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 7 15:45:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Every day person In-Reply-To: <1a0.3145ff73.2f870e41@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 07, 2005 06:29:21 PM Message-ID: <20050407224522.79344.qmail@mall-net.com> > > Now the "every day person" isn't likely to have enough contact with > > > these things to present an undue lifetime risk, unless they are already > > > highly sensitized to exposure with chemicals. The best precaution I can > > > advise is to always carefully read the ingredient labels of any > > Yah, Right !!! Just who are everyday people ?? Well; it's not us, because we are mad scientists! We recognize chemistry, even if we don't always know what something is. > So, I decide to get wall to wall carpeting, will I be told what chemicals > are in that rug?? > Suppose I am given a list of chemicals in said rug, I am 70 years old, am I > suppose to research this stuff ?? Some years back, lab mice died on carpet in 15 minutes in one test due to the fumes. The EPA installed carpeting in one of their buildings, and several people became permanently disabled from the fumes. The EPA threatened the manufacturers with a ban on ALL carpeting! Some changes in chemistry were made... but to many of us with damaged livers, etc., it's far, far from enough! > I am a 30 year old accountant I buy a mobile home, used. Do you really > expect me to research each and every product used in the manufacture of my home? Particle board! Urea-formaldehyde glues which, on exposure to moisture and/or mold, start giving off tons of formaldehyde fumes, making many people slightly ill, and a lot more susceptible to other chemistry, predisposing them to cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc. But, do you buy a mobile home, or rent for the rest of your life? Each path has advantages and disadvantages. > It is impossible for people in todays age or any age to know what is in the > product they are making a part of their life. Let's say it's very difficult. > We every day people are the sheep, we have no choice but to trust our > doctors for instance. > Big news on CNN, the medicine our trusted Doctor has given us a > perscription for is now harm full and taken off the market. Yep! > All the adds on t.v. by the pill pushers, what a mess. The way medicine is > today anyone can go to their doctor and say, "gee, I saw this add on t.v. for > eupas and I think I have that problem." Doctors are paid by the pill > pushers to give out their drugs. What do Doctors know about pharmacology ??? Nevermind pharmacology, what do they know about biochemistry? NOTHING! That's why it is generally far better to find an orthomolecular doctor than an aleopathic doctor. Aleopathic medicine is geared to impeding the formation of symptoms. Orthomolecular medicine is geared to using nutritional supplements to aid the body in functioning. > You can read each and every word on a label for anything you buy but can > even the best chemists understand what the manufacture has written ???????????? If I can't find out what something means, I assume it's toxic. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From FMoore at POCO.com Fri Apr 8 08:28:52 2005 From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank) Date: Fri Apr 8 06:29:01 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Every day person Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C97471DCC04@pzisexch.poco.com> Ummm.... Vesta? My use of the term "every day person" was in reply to the question you asked: How would an every day person come in contact with them ? Additionally... my reply was based solely on the compounds with which one may KNOWINGLY come into contact with. Your comments regarding solvents and chemicals use in the manufacturing processes for carpet; insulation; etc.... are, without question, valid. That is not an issue I can address. One of reasons I rarely reply to posts on this ListServer, is that I only introduce my commentary when the subject pertains to areas where I either have some degree of profession expertise, or have a combination of factual knowledge and personal experience. I know that there are many people who suffer greatly, on a daily basis, due to extreme sensitivity to a wide variety of chemical compounds. But as I have no knowledge or experience in this area... I do not comment upon it. Best Wishes to All... I'm Signing Off this Discussion. Frank F. Moore ________________________________ From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of Vesta111@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:29 PM To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Every day person In a message dated 4/7/2005 5:04:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, agassi@erols.com writes: > Now the "every day person" isn't likely to have enough contact with > > these things to present an undue lifetime risk, unless they are already > > highly sensitized to exposure with chemicals. The best precaution I can > > advise is to always carefully read the ingredient labels of any Yah, Right !!! Just who are everyday people ?? In our beautiful country we have the old timers, people over 70, eyesight is going, knowledge of ingredients nil, how are they to know?? My friend is 25, she could not read the small print on a bottle of paint thinner, we got out a magnifier and with that devise it was 30 minutes before we could write down the minnie words. We then had to go to the computer to look up the ingredients and then it was all gobbligook to us. We every day people are not chemists, even if we were we would most likely take the word of our superiors, you know how it goes, don't buck the system. Check out a small bottle of Bayer, can you with or without glasses read anything beyond the name of the product? So, I decide to get wall to wall carpeting, will I be told what chemicals are in that rug?? Suppose I am given a list of chemicals in said rug, I am 70 years old, am I suppose to research this stuff ?? I am a 30 year old accountant I buy a mobile home, used. Do you really expect me to research each and every product used in the manufacture of my home? It is impossible for people in todays age or any age to know what is in the product they are making a part of their life. We every day people are the sheep, we have no choice but to trust our doctors for instance. Big news on CNN, the medicine our trusted Doctor has given us a perscription for is now harm full and taken off the market. All the adds on t.v. by the pill pushers, what a mess. The way medicine is today anyone can go to their doctor and say, "gee, I saw this add on t.v. for eupas and I think I have that problem." Doctors are paid by the pill pushers to give out their drugs. What do Doctors know about pharmacology ??? You can read each and every word on a label for anything you buy but can even the best chemists understand what the manufacture has written ???????????? My respects Vesta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050408/0904e3a0/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Apr 10 14:13:44 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Apr 10 14:14:32 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The life and death of my friend will not be in vain. Message-ID: <20050410211344.81964.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> The life and death of my friend; Lee Paulec, will not be in vain. I am fed up with Olanzapine; it is not doing me good. And Clonidine is not doing me well either. I was doing well, on Clonazepam, until the doctor messed me up. My friend was taking Clonazepam when he died. All drugs are addictive, and Olanzapine and Clonidine are no different. The effects of addiction from Olanzapine are: 1. Increased mental neural activity; social paranoia. 2. Insomnia. 3. Bitter anger. And; 4. Dementia. The doctors do not help. Most doctors only promote the commericalism of pharmacology industries who only exploit the dumbed down masses of sheeple. I no longer want to be a sheep, in the mainstream of neverending nonsense. This country is screwed up, and I see no hope in the fucked up future ahead, for us all. Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050410/8c9a2467/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Apr 11 02:05:23 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Apr 10 19:05:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The life and death of my friend will not be in In-Reply-To: <20050410211344.81964.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 10, 2005 02:13:44 PM Message-ID: <20050411020523.14186.qmail@mall-net.com> > The life and death of my friend; Lee > Paulec, will not be in vain. > I am fed up with Olanzapine; it is > not doing me good. > And Clonidine is not doing me > well either. Well, I'm not surprised. None of that stuff is really good for you. the question is, what else? > The effects of addiction from > Olanzapine are: > 1. Increased mental neural activity; > social paranoia. > 2. Insomnia. > 3. Bitter anger. > And; > 4. Dementia. > The doctors do not help. > Most doctors only promote the > commericalism of pharmacology > industries who only exploit the > dumbed down masses of sheeple. And the latest study says talk therapy is as effective if not more effective. > I no longer want to be a sheep, in > the mainstream of neverending > nonsense. How did you get on this stuff, what is the underlaying diagnosis, and when did the diagnosis occur. > This country is screwed up, and > I see no hope in the fucked up > future ahead, for us all. Well, it beats getting on one's buckskins and going out to spear another buck in the cold of winter. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Apr 10 19:34:10 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Apr 10 19:34:21 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The life and death of my friend will not be in In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050411023410.89384.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > The life and death of my friend; Lee > Paulec, will not be in vain. > I am fed up with Olanzapine; it is > not doing me good. > And Clonidine is not doing me > well either. Well, I'm not surprised. None of that stuff is really good for you. the question is, what else? WELL, THERE WAS EXPERIMENTATION BY THE SADOMASOCHISTIC IDIOT DOCTORS, OF RISPERDAL ON ME, AND I WAS REALLY TRIPPIN' BAD, ON THAT CRAP! IT MADE ME FEEL LIKE THE SKY WAS FALLING, LITERALLY. AND THEN THERE WAS HALDOL, WHICH HAD ME FEELING LIKE I WAS BEING CRUSHED BY MY OWN BODY WEIGHT/BY THE EARTH'S GRAVITY. AND THEN THERE WAS ZYPREXA, WHICH HELPED SOMEWHAT IN THE PAST, BUT NOT ENTIRELY; IT HELPED ME TO GET SLEEP, YET IN TURN, FUCKED UP MY SLEEP CYCLES, AND NOW, IT IS BACK, ONCE AGAIN, DOING THE SAME DAMNED THING. THEN THERE WAS CLONAPIN, WHICH SET MY NEUROLOGY AT EASE, AND GAVE ME CONSISTANT SLEEP CYCLES, BUT IT IS A HIGHLY ADDICTIVE DRUG, AND I WONDER IF IT COULD HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO MY HEART TROUBLES THAT I AM EXPERIENCING NOW, OR IF IT WAS THE CHAMOMILE TEA, THAT I DRANK, WHILE I WAS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF CLONAPIN, OR PERHAPS THE COMBINATION OF BOTH CLONAPIN, AND CHAMOMILE ??? > The effects of addiction from > Olanzapine are: > 1. Increased mental neural activity; > social paranoia. > 2. Insomnia. > 3. Bitter anger. > And; > 4. Dementia. > The doctors do not help. > Most doctors only promote the > commericalism of pharmacology > industries who only exploit the > dumbed down masses of sheeple. I'M TIRED OF THIS BRAIN DEAD STATE, OF OKLAHOMA. And the latest study says talk therapy is as effective if not more effective. YEAH, I LIKE TALK THERAPY. I HATE PILLS; ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I AM NOT A CLOCK, AND A CLOCK IS EXACTLY WHAT THE DOCTORS, AND THE PHARMA-PSEUDO INDUSTRIES WANT ALL OF US TO FUCKING BE! > I no longer want to be a sheep, in > the mainstream of neverending > nonsense. How did you get on this stuff, what is the underlying diagnosis, and when did the diagnosis occur. 1. WANTING TO TAKE ALL OF MY GOALS TO THE LIMIT, YET HAVING INFINITELY FINITE, AND HALF ASSED RESOURCES. 2. PLAYING THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, SINCE I COULDN'T WIN. 3. OBESESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER. 4. SCHIZOPHOBIC DISORDER. > This country is screwed up, and > I see no hope in the fucked up > future ahead, for us all. Well, it beats getting on one's buckskins and going out to spear another buck in the cold of winter. WELL, YOU ARE RIGHT, ABOUT THAT! I JUST SEE NEVERENDING NEGATIVE, IN THE FUTURE, SINCE RESOURCES ARE FOREVER FINITE, AND SINCE I CANNOT HAVE ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER THE FUTURE, AND OF MY DESTINY. I HAVE BECOME A SELF CENTERED CONTROL FREAK, I GUESS. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050410/ae9bf8f2/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Apr 11 04:45:16 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Apr 10 21:45:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The life and death of my friend will not be in In-Reply-To: <20050411023410.89384.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 10, 2005 07:34:10 PM Message-ID: <20050411044516.86538.qmail@mall-net.com> > Well, I'm not surprised. None of that stuff is really good for you. > the question is, what else? > > > WELL, THERE WAS EXPERIMENTATION BY THE SADOMASOCHISTIC > IDIOT DOCTORS, OF RISPERDAL ON ME, AND I WAS REALLY TRIPPIN' Well, they... some of them just thing they have to try something. Others... kind of think they need to keep you from doing really really bad things. But basically, once they start giving you really hard stuff like that, they probably kind of write you off. Do you recall their discussing a prognosis? Obsessive / compulsive and schizoidal are one thing; but what do they feel is the long term outcome with their treatment, vs without. I sometimes get involved in what are called "death march" projects. That's a project where you can't win, and management just throws bodies against the thing. I love those kinds of projects. Why? Because management is desperate enough to listen to better ideas. My point is, why do things that you know are going to fail? If doing A won't meed your deadlines, why do it??? Look for other ways! And so, I may sit there for weeks, maybe even a month doing very little but scribbling blocks on paper and kind of meditating on what we have to do. Sooner or later, I figure out a better way, demonstrate it, and we're off doing it my way. Usually, the death march turns into a piece of cake, we meet or beat the deadline, and I get a good reference. The point I am trying to make, is that if doing A isn't going to produce an acceptable result, look for something else! That was when I could work in Silicon Valley. The air pollution is too great now for me to handle. Gads, I miss those days. The stuff was so easy for me! And I got to live rather well, too. A refrigerator full of food, a nice apartment with a bathtub and all the hot water I wanted! Nice soft bed, too. My bed here is a cradle of 2x4's, no real refrigerator, and three gallons of warm or too hot water for a shower. But as they say, the game's not over. So What! There's good up here! Here, I get to build the things I couldn't build in civilization. I mean, could I build a Velociraptor type robot to go hopping down the street? No! I'd have the National Guard out there splintering it's 4x4 frame with their bullets! And all those chemistry cookpot projects that might sometimes mis-react? I think the neighbors would go nuts! Not to mention testing out the flame powered organ that I've always wanted to build. Here, no one cares! Some of the guys here would think the lumbering Velociraptor was a great thing! And if they can burn their trash and excreta in their choking incinerators and wood stoves, they're not going to care if I accidently let loose a _small_ cloud of H2S or Cl2 from some industrial chemical process I'm trying to develop. And if they hear the organ resonate across the passes... heck, it's not as loud as the windmill generators, which sound like some WW-II four engined propeller driven bomber roaring in for a crash! (GroAAN WhiRRRRRRrrrrrr GOAAARRRRNnnn WhoRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrr GrOOOAARrrk!) I mean, the airport is probably quieter! The point is, every situation has good points and bad points. Take advantage of the good points, and avoid the bad. As for the perfection issues, you have to learn to let go. None of my projects had perfect specifications, perfect bosses, or anything. It was all shaping chaos, trying to find the way through or around things that supposedly couldn't be done, etc. Absolutes and perfects don't cut it in real life. You think the Pope was into absolutes, perfects, or total control? No, that was the Soviet's game -- they wanted total control of the people, and look what happened! They fell apart! The tighter they squeezed the people, the less they got done! The Pope was surfing the probability wave, trying to shape it on one hand, and surf it on the other. It is said that Reagan, The Pope, and Thatcher are the three who brought the Soviet Union down. They didn't do it by perfection, nor by control. They just gave a little push here, a little pull there, some suggestions, and fed each other a lot of information back and forth about what was going on. When I was a teenager, I'd often go walking in the woods. I liked pushing trees down, dead trees too big and too strong for me to push down. Again, not control nor perfection. I used resonance. A little shove, wait for the tree to swing back, another shove, and over and over and over, rocking the tree back and forth to see if I could get it to rock further each time, and if so, keeping it up till something broke; all the while keeping my eyes open for falling branches and worrying about the tree snapping above and falling upon me. Sometimes it would take fifteen minutes or more. And of course, there were times where it was clear the tree wasn't quite ready. So I'd have to wait till next year, when the dead tree would be weaker. Some things you can do, some things you can't do. Wisdom is knowing the difference. But... it seems the really wise never really try hard enough! > THE INFLUENCE OF CLONAPIN, OR PERHAPS THE COMBINATION > OF BOTH CLONAPIN, AND CHAMOMILE ??? Have you tried Niacin? Some of the schizoidal tendencies are because the L-Tryptophan to Niacin pathway is broken. It was said that until the advent of polished grains (wheat and rice), there was very little schizophrenia, because the grain skin had plenty of niacin and niacin related chemistry. For those people, several grams of niacin really help, even completely cure them. While I don't have this problem, I find that Niacin and vitamin C taken together act as a really good mood elevator. Being a vitamin... the worst you will get is a flush from a gram or two. Twinlab has 1 gram Niacin (B-3) capsules, 100 capsules for maybe under 15 dollars. I got mine for under $13.50 > I'M TIRED OF THIS BRAIN DEAD STATE, OF OKLAHOMA. You have a refrigerator? A hot shower? Electricity? Then it's not that bad a place! If you want to meet interesting people, you have to do interesting things, be an interesting person. But with the rotten outlook the drugs give you, you wont' find much anywhere. Which reminds me, how do you feel after a hot bath or hot shower? Better? So take more. Our economic genius Greenspan takes a hot bath every morning. Sometimes the papers he studies end up waterlogged... but because he feels better for taking that hot bath, he does it every morning! > And the latest study says talk therapy is as effective if not more > effective. > > YEAH, I LIKE TALK THERAPY. Well, we're doing some of that here, I think. I've a minister, not a psych doctor, and I'm trying to save your soul, not your mind. (Hey, it keeps me from looking at my own problems and thinking they are hopeless.) > I HATE PILLS; ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I AM NOT A CLOCK, AND > A CLOCK IS EXACTLY WHAT THE DOCTORS, AND THE PHARMA-PSEUDO > INDUSTRIES WANT ALL OF US TO FUCKING BE! No they don't, they just don't know what else to do. > How did you get on this stuff, what is the underlying diagnosis, > and when did the diagnosis occur. > > > 1. WANTING TO TAKE ALL OF MY GOALS TO THE LIMIT, YET HAVING > INFINITELY FINITE, AND HALF ASSED RESOURCES. I know what you mean! All I got up here are alcoholics who sometimes help me. But I never know when!!! > 2. PLAYING THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, SINCE I COULDN'T WIN. You have to be a positive advocate, as many folks don't understand and fear the other side of things. Civilization is rather thin... we all have to try to keep it working. > 3. OBESESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER. > 4. SCHIZOPHOBIC DISORDER. I just took one of the on-line test for personality and came up as somewhat schizoid myself. Humpf! really now? Part of is was something about not really caring about others. Well, I mean for the past three years, I've been surrounded by drunks and drug addicts... I really don't care that much about them except to the degree they help me and I can get them to lay off their addiction. Some of them become really worthwhile people when they have not had anything to drink for a few days. Then there was something about compulsion or paranoia or something. Well... If you are going to write software, you have to be persistent and paranoid like 99% of the people can't be! I mean, the stuff is so brittle that you have to be paranoid about your work actually working. You have to test, test, test, and test again, fixing bugs as you find them. On a few projects I was on the Quality Assurance team. I came up with better, faster ways of testing, and stepped past that to insure the sources of the problems were far easier to find than before. Again, excellent references. But when it comes to real paranoia, the world against me... ha Ha Ha! First, I'm too small a fish. Second, I believe that most people are inherently good. And third, I live in Heaven, excuse me, I mean America. Same difference. I walk in a farmer's market, and I can buy real food without worry about it being poisoned. Maybe pesticided, but not deliberately poisoned to kill people. Nor do I have to worry about the Gestapo checking my papers or just shooting at me, the way they were after my father and mother. I can sit down on a park bench and talk to someone next to me, feed the squirrels, chase off the pigeons, etc. without anyone deciding to "get" me. Like I say, this is Heaven, a Heaven we humans built because we wanted better, and were willing to cooperate to do it. All it took, was really using that score keeper called money. Lousy way to keep score, nd maybe we are often short of it; but it's certainly better than spending all the time looking for ways of bartering this into that into something else for someone else who might do something for us. > > This country is screwed up, and > > I see no hope in the fucked up > > future ahead, for us all. They've been saying that since Ancient Greek times! Yet life is still getting better. I mean, we've got computers and the internet now! It was Really Hard to do research before then! > Well, it beats getting on one's buckskins and going out to spear > another buck in the cold of winter. > > WELL, YOU ARE RIGHT, ABOUT THAT! > I JUST SEE NEVERENDING NEGATIVE, IN THE FUTURE, SINCE > RESOURCES ARE FOREVER FINITE, AND SINCE I CANNOT HAVE > ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER THE FUTURE, AND OF MY DESTINY. > I HAVE BECOME A SELF CENTERED CONTROL FREAK, I GUESS. You can not imagine everything, so you need the creativity of those around you. You can not know everything, so you need to attract those wiser than you in various areas. You can not control everything, so you need to attract friends who share interests with you. The three give you a wave of people doing things you are interested in, a wave of probability to surf. That's what The Pope did -- attract those who wanted to end the tyranny of the soviet union, and with suggestions, more like the right attitudes in millions of people, each budging a little inch here or there... eventually the event Happened! So you might look at Niacin (B-3) Caps by Twinlab, and... I still say you need some kind of camera and the commitment to take at least one photo of something beautiful each day. As you see more beautiful things, you will think better of life. As you share the photos over the web or elsewhere, you will find more interesting people. Be the change you want to see. Do a little each day. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Apr 11 21:33:04 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Apr 11 21:33:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Test. Message-ID: <20050412043304.30403.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Test send. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050411/2599d1f3/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Apr 11 21:48:32 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Apr 11 21:48:44 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] My response posting, to my past posting, named: Various is not going through. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050412044832.48170.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> One of my responses to Javilk, in the size of 43K, is not going through. What is the limit, if any, on the information size, that a posting can be, for posting to the mad-sci list??? Clyde clyde lofton wrote: Test send. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050411/8125a790/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 12 07:57:28 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Apr 12 00:57:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] My response posting, to my past posting, In-Reply-To: <20050412044832.48170.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 11, 2005 09:48:32 PM Message-ID: <20050412075728.76387.qmail@mall-net.com> > One of my responses to Javilk, in the size of > 43K, is not going through. > What is the limit, if any, on the information size, > that a posting can be, for posting to the mad-sci > list??? I don't know, but Yahoo cuts a lot of things! I think 10k - 23k is one limit we have seen in the past. Smaller posts are better... break them up into logical chunks. A secondary issue, is that everything you type as plain text is also sent as HTML mail, so your posts are over twice the size they could be. You could turn off HTML mail... and send as plain text. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From Igor at Mad-Scientists.ORG Tue Apr 12 13:06:48 2005 From: Igor at Mad-Scientists.ORG (Igor) Date: Tue Apr 12 13:06:56 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] My response posting, to my past posting, named: Various is not going through. In-Reply-To: <20050412044832.48170.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050412044832.48170.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The size limit for messages to the list is 40K. -Igor On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, clyde lofton wrote: > > One of my responses to Javilk, in the size of > 43K, is not going through. > What is the limit, if any, on the information size, > that a posting can be, for posting to the mad-sci > list??? > > Clyde > > From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 21:49:12 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Apr 12 21:49:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various things. In-Reply-To: <20050406084841.60542.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050413044912.9403.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> > I went to see my primary care physician today, > and he refused to test me for Candida Albecans, > but did give me a prescription for the drug known > as: Clonidine. That's not an anti-fungal. It's an anti-hypertensive. With the usual complement of corn starch (have any corn allergies?) food coloring (some have serious reactions to those...) and methylparaben (a possible sensitizer), propylparaben, etc. You can find more Googling it. I DON'T HAVE ANY ALLERGIES, WITH CORN STARCH, OR FOOD COLORING, THAT I KNOW OF. CLONIDINE AND OLANZAPINE ARE FUCKING WITH ME, AND ARE FUCKING UP MY MIND, MAKING ME MISERABLE, AND PARANOID, AND ARE GIVING ME GREAT, MAJOR, BITTER ANGER, TOO. I AM FED UP WITH DRUGS: ALL DRUGS. I WANT SOLUTIONS: PERMANENT SOLUTIONS. I STILL HAVE TO WIND THE MAGNET WIRE ON THE PVC FORMER, FOR THE BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT PROJECT. I CANNOT EVEN AFFORD ONE TUBE OF SILCONE RTV RIGHT NOW. I FUCKING HATE MONEY. THE CLONIDINE CAUSES ME HEART TROUBLE. FUCK CLONIDINE. I DON'T WANT OLANZAPINE (ZYPREXA) ANYMORE, BUT I AM SUFFERING FROM INSOMNIA, AND SO IT IS ALL THAT I HAVE TO FALL BACK ON, AT THE TIME BEING. Some of us with damaged Cytochrome P-450 systems don't do well with things like this. (Too far gone to look it up in my PDR tonight. Terrible night last night due to three mice keeping me up.) CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE CYTOCHROME P-450 PATHWAYS ARE? MAYBE NEXT MONTH I CAN GET THE BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS CHARTS; THERE ARE TWO OF THEM, I FOUND OUT, AVAILABLE DIRECTLY, FROM ROCHE APPLIED SCIENCE. > By this time tomorrow, I should be feeling good, > from the effects of it. WELL, I ASSUMED WRONG; CLONIDINE IS A COMPLETE CROCK. I FEEL JUST AS MISERABLE ON CLONIDINE, AS I DO, ON OLANZAPINE. > Relative to Clonazepam, Clonidine is said to not > be addictive. > Although the stance that I take, is that all drugs > are addictve, if obsessed over. ALL DRUGS ARE ADDICTIVE,,,, AND I AM FUCKING PISSED AT THE DAMNED MAINSTREAM DOCTORS, AND PHARMACOLOGY NOW. I AM READY NOW, TO BRING A LAWSUIT AGAINST SEVERAL OF THE PHARAMACOLOGY INDUSTRIES, FOR FUCKING PEOPLE'S LIVES UP, AND ALTERING THE ELECTRONEUROCHEMISTRY OF THE PHYSIOLOGICAL WHOLE; (THE PHYSIOLOGICAL WHOLISM), INTO A MAJOR DISORDER; (A MAJOR SABOTAGED ORDER); (ORDER TO DISORDER). They say diuretics are better anti-hypertensives than anything else. Potassium is a good one, if not overdone, vitamin C helps too; but trace minerals are REQUIRED or you will run out of things like copper, magnesium, etc. and suffer. I'D EAT MORE BANANNA'S, BUT MONEY IS ALREADY VERY SLIM, WITH WHAT SMALL AMOUNT THAT I HAVE, TO WASTE ON THE NONSENSICAL PRICE, OF GASOLINE. I TRIED Q-10, BUT IT NEGATIVELY EFFECTED MY CARDIOLOGY WITH INCREASED HEART PALPITATIONS, AND SO I DISCONTIUED TAKING THAT. I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING FISH OIL, SINCE IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT IT IS ACTUALLY MUCH BETTER, THAN CONSUMING OLIVE OIL. > Regardless of my doctor's refusal to check for > Candida Albecans, he let me get a blood test > today, after I wrote up a list, of seven things to > test for, including; Candida. > So he may actually have the lab test me, for > Candida, but he didn't inform me if that would > be tested for, or not. Professor F. C. Odds, in his textbook "Candida and Candidosis" says it is hard to test for candida, because while the infection is active, it is quite effective in soaking up all antibodies against it. Drs. Trowbridge and Walker lay out some simple effective therapies in "The Yeast Syndrome", a Bantam paperback in the $5 - $10 range. Dr. Crook's "The Yeast Connection" series really isn't as good. I'd try to get a copy of "The Yeast Syndrome". The rotating diet plan is excellent for the immune system even if you don't really have Candida! > So I will just assume that I have Candida, and > start treating myself for it, if possible, like you > did. > Can you inform me to the ways and means > that you treated yourself, for Candida? > And did you cure yourself of it? My big deal was _warm_ hydrogen peroxide and fresh squeezed garlic juice in the ears. Garlic and red onions tend to be quite effective as soup too; but there is the unpleasant part about smelling like garlic for three to four days afterwards. (Of course, that's after I ate a pound of garlic and two or three pounds of red onions made as soup the night before, and laced with acidophilous cultures to help get the gut ecology going again.) And if one does have an active infection, all the candida cells dying and spilling their toxic contents at nearly the same time often cause one substantial discomfort for some hours to a day. Plus the little problem I had of being evicted from two places and fired from another for making this witch's brew and smelling (reeking) of it. I'd eat it as three meals on Saturday, and one of my bosses would walk in to my office even Tuesday, grab his throat, and say "There are no vampires within 50 miles of here!" We'd laugh about that. He's a really good guy, came to understand a lot of my health problems and we worked together really well. We still talk every couple of weeks, and it's been some 17 years since the IBM project. We did some really good stuff at IBM then! He's one of the best and brightest managers I've ever had. In another place, they just marched me out the door... Ah, the life of a wandering consultant... After some two years of eating the stuff, I no longer had much of a problem. At least, till some idiot doctor prescribed a tetracycline derivative... Then WHAM! I had Candida again. Had to go on Diflucan plus other antibiotics, eat the heavy garlic and onion soups again, etc. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS, IN THE TETRACYCLINE, THAT CAUSED THE CANDIDA TO RETURN? WAS THE CANDIDA STILL WITH YOU, REGARDLESS OF YOU EATING THE LARGE AMOUNTS OF GARLIC AND ONIONS? > I question if it could possibly be in my lungs > if I have it, because it has become so damned > difficult to breath now; to both automatically, > and manually, intake air, at will. Suggests either respiratory or metabolic alkalosis. It's a problem with those who have low body temperature, vegetarians like myself, and those who have had serious carbon monoxide poisoning. Albert Donnay at http://www.mcsrr.org/ talks about CO poisoning, and other problems of those who are sensitive or reactive to many chemicals. I HATE TO SAY THIS, (I ONLY EXPERIMENTED WITH MARIJUANA; DIDN'T USE IT ON MY OWN;) BUT THERE WAS ONE OCCASION WHERE I WAS AT A HOUSE WITH PEOPLE WHO I DIDN'T KNOW, AND I INTOOK A VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF MARIJUANA SMOKE, THROUGH A WATER BONG; IT DID NOT FEEL GOOD AT ALL, AND I REGRET DOING THAT. I WONDER IF THAT COULD HAVE CAUSED ME SERIOUS, PERMANENT, NEUROTIC HARM??? Asthma-like symptoms, if this is what it is, and I don't know since I've never had "real" asthma, could be due to Aspergilis in the lungs. Some 10% of the genuine cases are found to have this. I'VE NEVER HAD TRUE ASTHMA, BUT MY BREATHING CAUSES ME TO FEEL THE EFFECTS, THAT HAVE SIMILARITIES TO FEELINGS OF ASTHMA. For me, sniffing CO2 recently has helped me trigger reflexes generating deeper breathing patterns. If one has low body temperature like I have, one probably has low metabolism, so one ends up with low CO2 generation and hence reduced breathing. We've just discussed this thing on the Immune list. Breathing small quantities of CO2 (less than 1 - 2% overall) acidifies the blood. Blood pH regulates breathing, so when the blood gets acidic, breathing picks up. That gets more oxygen into the system WITHOUT the effects of a bad pH rise, and in my case, that prompts an increase in metabolism, which then generates more CO2 to sustain deeper breathing long after the one or two sniffs of high quantity CO2. (Think seltzer bottles. Most BB gun CO2 cartridges are loaded with lubricants, etc. and is NOT for human consumption!) I'D LIKE TO TRY CO2, BUT I THINK THAT YOU SAID THAT THE EFFECTS DO NOT LAST VERY LONG AFTERWARDS, IN ONE OF YOUR OTHER RESPONSES, AND VINEGAR; I HAVE ALWAYS HATED VINEGAR, BUT I TRIED A LITTLE BIT OF IT, STRAIGHT FROM THE BOTTLE, TWICE; ONCE YESTERDAY, AND ANOTHER TIME, THE DAY BEFORE, AND IT SEEMED TO HELP A LITTLE BIT. THANKS VESTA, FOR THE INFORMATION REGARDING VINEGAR INTAKE! HOW MUCH IS IT, THAT YOU INTAKE, EXACTLY, EACH MORNING??? IS IT A FULL GLASS OR A FULL CUP OF VINEGAR, ALONG WITH THE ICE THAT YOU MENTIONED??? The other thing was to monitor urine pH. Yes, some idiot doctors get all upset when they see a person paying so much attention to their bodily functions; but it was an early warning sign seeing my pH shift upwards before I started having breathing problems, reacting to wood smoke, etc. A that point, I'd start taking more ascorbic acid. If I could keep the pH below 6, I'd not get that bad a set of reactions. If I didn't, it would get bad! I HAVE TAKEN SOME VITAMIN C, AFTER PURCHASING A BOTTLE OF IT, FROM A LOCAL HEALTH AND NUTRICIAN STORE, AND IT SEEMED TO INCREASE THE NEGATIVE FEELING IN MY HEART; HEART PALPITATIONS, MURMURS, LOW BLOOD PRESSURE, AND MY HEART FEELING LIKE IT WAS GOING TO EXPLODE, AND SO I WOKE UP A FEW TIMES, LAST MONTH, DURING THE NIGHT, AND DRANK SOME WATER, AND THE WATER HELPED EVER SO SLIGHTLY, BUT DIDN'T HELP ENTIRELY. Later, we started watching my blood pressure. Wood smoke and other things would make it fall from 120/70, to 96/... at about 98/..., I could barely write the blood pressure down. Much below 96/..., I couldn't even work the cuff to take it. Today, I'd also chart my body temperature! As it drops below 97.0, all kinds of things would start going wrong... and I do believe that it was the combination of pH and body temperature that was much of the problem. I CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANY WAYS AND MEANS OF CHECKING MY PH LEVEL, AND/OR BALANCE. WHAT INSTRUMENTS, AND EQUIPMENT ARE REQUIRED TO CHECK PH LEVELS, AND BALANCE? When a competent physician sees records like that, he may start believing something is wrong. Though those who don't... tend to want you to stop because you are showing them something they don't understand, and may be held liable for not understanding. THE LIABILITY ISSUE SEEMS TO BE HAUNTING BOTH THE PSYCHIATRIST THAT I WAS SEEING, AS WELL AS MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN DOCTOR THAT I WENT TO SEE LAST TUESDAY. MY P.C.P. GOT A LITTLE ANGRY AT ME, FOR ASKING HIM TOO MANY QUESTIONS. In your case, the blood pressure and body temperature may go up instead of down, I don't know. I'm just saying that I kept some records which showed me clear phsyological responses, and the effect of my therapies. When I walked a summary of those records in to two young doctors at Yale, they... as one put it, the first time he read it he thought I was nuts; but he saw it was clear I was measuring something. On second reading it was clear I was doing science in treating myself, trying things and tracking the results. And so he read it the third time, thinking about what the effects of what I was doing were, and concluded I knew a lot more about the problem than they did. While that didn't help me... It did give me some sense that the approach was sound, and I was on the right track. Sometimes us mad scientists have to experiment on ourselves. WELL, I AM WILLING TO EXPERIMENT ON MYSELF. I ALREADY HAVE, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BECAUSE I AM FED UP WITH PHARMA-PSEUDO-CALS. PHARMA-PSEUDO-CALS = ENDLESS CYCLES. WHAT??? ='S AN ENDLESS SOLUTION??? ;;;; FOR ME, AS WELL AS FOR OTHERS TOO??? I WANT THIS DISCUSSION TO BENEFIT OTHERS OUT THERE TOO, AND NOT JUST MYSELF. > Clonodine, has got me wondering about the > relationships in the chemical complexes of > drugs that end in: ine. > Since I experimented with Methamphetamine, > and have taken Olanzapine for so long now, it > has me wondering what the science is, behind > these types of drugs, and the similarities in > all of their chemical complexes. > There is also: Morphine, that ends in, ine as > well. -ine often refers to something containing nitrogen, an amine, often an NH3 group; and often a base (alkaline) compound. Most amino acids end in -ine, (and are not basic...) as do some neurotransmitters, like Dopamine. YOU KNOW, A SLANG TERMINOLOGY FOR MARIJUANA, IS DOPE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LINGUISTIC LINK IS, BETWEEN THE SLANG WORD: DOPE, AND THE WORD: DOPAMINE? I KNOW THAT IT IS THE ACTION OF SLUGGISH-NESS, IN NEURAL FUNCTIONING, BUT IS THAT ALL THERE IS TO IT? THE IGNORANT PEOPLE OUT THERE, AUTOMATICALLY SAY, THAT THE SMOKING OF MARIJUANA KILLS BRAIN CELLS. BUT WHAT IS THE REAL TRUTH; SEEMS LIKE I HAVE HEARD THAT THE SMOKING OF MARIJUANA IS A SERATONIN BLOCKER, "OR A MELATONIN BLOCKER", OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, AND IT ALSO MAKES ONE PARANOID TOO. IT IS SO DAMNED COMPLICATED, AND CHEMICAL SCIENCE IS NOT A FAVORITE SUBJECT OF MINE. I LIKE PHYSICS, BUT I DISLIKE CHEMISTRY, IN MOST CASES. The NH3 groups will not be the only thing determining the biological function of the compound. Not by a long shot! Chemical nomenclature is a complex subject which I am nowhere near able to discuss. I never got beyond naming simple things in some 200's level organic chem class. About then, I discovered The Computer, fell into the computer center, and was (almost) never heard from again. When I saw the next level of organic chem classes were pure rote memorization, I threw in the towel on that career path and went for computer science, where I could start building things NOW! > I luckily got the 10" outside diameter, PVC > pipe, on Friday, for free, and I thought I was > it to be: Three coils total; the top and bottom > coils spaced 6 inches each, from the center > coil. For a Helmholtz field, I believe one would then have to scale down the spacing to five inches between each of the coils. BOTH OF THE END COILS, EACH SPACED 5 INCHES FROM THE CENTER COIL? > I am worried a little, that I might get the > volume/amplitude/electromagnetic field > strength, too high. I only know one way of finding out, start low and slowly increase the power to the coil. YEAH, BUT WHERE IS A GOOD STOPPING POINT??? +3dB UNITS??? I REALIZE THAT DIFFERENT AMPLIFIERS HAVE DIFFERENT OUTPUT LEVELS, ACCORDING TO THE WAY THAT THEY ARE DESIGNED. IS YOUR AUDIO AMP, A CONSUMER GRADE AMP, OR A COMMERCIAL GRADE AMP? AND WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM dB UNIT LEVEL, THAT YOU HAVE OPERATED YOUR AMP, AND THE HELMHOLTZ COILS AT? DO THE COILS GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE SETUP AT MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH? YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU DO NOT USE ANY RESISTANCE IN SERIES WITH THE COILS, EXCEPT FOR WHAT LITTLE RESISTANCE THAT THE COILS HAVE, AND SO THE RESISTANCE WILL BE VERY LOW. DOES YOUR AUDIO AMP GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE HELMHOLTZ COILS AT THE MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH/INTENSITY? > I need a concrete way to get the field > strength (measurement), accurate to the field > strength of your coils. Is it really important? Will you react exactly as all the other people do to a specific level of intensity? They don't all react the same way, so why should you? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I HOPE TO THE LORD, THAT IT WILL PUT ME TO SLEEP VERY QUICKLY, BECAUSE I AM SO FUCKING FED UP WITH (CHEMICAL) DRUGS, AS I HAVE ALREADY STATED BEFORE. When my mind is going strong, 20ma has no real effect. When it is weak, 20ma is like having my glasses cleaned and my mind unified and turned on. I HAVE AN ECG MULTIMETER, AND IT HAS THE ABILITY TO MEASURE FROM MILLIAMPS TO AMPS, BUT I DO NOT HAVE A CURRENT MEASURING PROBE, TO USE WITH IT, AT THIS TIME. > This perfectionism of mine is somewhat > of a curse, but without it, I would be > worse off than what I am at, now. Don't know. The quest for perfection often keeps us from trying things just to see what effects we might find. Sometimes a quick and dirty experiment gives us ballpark numbers, enough to get an idea of what we are looking at or thinking about. That manager I mentioned above use to come at me with the question of how do you know the concept is even likely to work? Do a quick and dirty test or two, THEN, _IF_ that looks good, commit more resources to it. He was right. I'd often really spend a lot of time thinking things through, building elaborate things and doing elaborate proof of concepts tests against real-life / professional-experience examples in my mind before committing them to reality. But when I did the quick and dirty proof-of-concept prototypes, and SHOWED others the idea earlier, we'd get more people thinking about it, talking about it, brainstorming around it, showing up flaws I'd missed, buying in to it because they got to discuss, maybe even add ideas to it, and so I'd get more people helping build a better version of it than what I could do alone. Though that meant I did have to have a solid concept to start with, and work at selling the idea to the group. There are pluses and minuses to each approach. Well, mouse number two seems to have fallen into my trap? No, I don't see him there. I got the first mouse just as I started writing this. Now... ok, the second mouse seems to have quieted down for the night, left, or gotten killed elsewhere. I'm having a plague of mice crawling through here. They kept me awake all last night. Got one today in a glue pad, but another one has come in. I can hear it crawling among my stuff. I think I may have had three running around last night. I FUCKING HATE MICE, AND THEIR FUCKING NONSENSICAL EXISTANCES. THEY SHOULD BE GENETICALLY ERADICATED FROM EXISTANCE FOREVER. Two foot high Teflon fence around this camp??? Sigh, probably too pricy. And a flaming moat is out of the question. Every time I poison one and it dies under my floor boards, I get breathing problems from the rot and I have to pull up some of the boards to vacuum clean the blasted thing out. I AM SO FUCKING PISSED AT THE ENVIRONMENT (THE ENPRISONMENT), THAT I WANT TO LIVE IN AN ENTIRELY PERFECTLY HERMETICALLY SEALED REALITY AND EXISTANCE, EVEN IF IT MEANS COMPLETELY OVERDOSING ON PAINKILLERS AND CYANIDE AND ARSENIC, AND BECOMING COMPLETELY STATUESQUE, OR LIVING IN A COMPLETELY SEALED/ISOLATED BIOSPHERE ECOLOGY, BECAUSE I AM SICK OF THE ENVIRONMENT; EXO AND ENDO. RESOURCES ARE FOREVER FINITE, AS WELL AS FUCKED UP, AND (THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE FUCKING TUNNEL IS) FOREVER FLEETING. SICK OF LIFE IS WHAT I'D SAY; BUT THAT HAS BECOME WAY TOO SMALL. As some cartoon character said, "I hate those meeces to pieces!" And it's that hate and sleepiness that's keeping me from dong the work I need to do. I HAVE REACHED THE POINT NOW, TO WHERE I AM AT THE EDGE OF UNCONDITIONAL HATE. Good hearing from you again, Clyde. I was wondering how you were doing. Keep plugging away at it, even if but an inch at a time. The inches add up. IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE AN INFINITE # OF INCHES YET TO GODDAMNED AND MANDAMNED GO, AND IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050412/a8c4a154/attachment-0001.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 21:58:05 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Apr 12 21:58:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various things. In-Reply-To: <20050406084841.60542.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050413045806.71660.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> That's not an anti-fungal. It's an anti-hypertensive. With the usual complement of corn starch (have any corn allergies?) food coloring (some have serious reactions to those...) and methylparaben (a possible sensitizer), propylparaben, etc. You can find more Googling it. I DON'T HAVE ANY ALLERGIES, WITH CORN STARCH, OR FOOD COLORING, THAT I KNOW OF. CLONIDINE AND OLANZAPINE ARE FUCKING WITH ME, AND ARE FUCKING UP MY MIND, MAKING ME MISERABLE, AND PARANOID, AND ARE GIVING ME GREAT, MAJOR, BITTER ANGER, TOO. I AM FED UP WITH DRUGS: ALL DRUGS. I WANT SOLUTIONS: PERMANENT SOLUTIONS. I STILL HAVE TO WIND THE MAGNET WIRE ON THE PVC FORMER, FOR THE BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT PROJECT. I CANNOT EVEN AFFORD ONE TUBE OF SILCONE RTV RIGHT NOW. I FUCKING HATE MONEY. THE CLONIDINE CAUSES ME HEART TROUBLE. FUCK CLONIDINE. I DON'T WANT OLANZAPINE (ZYPREXA) ANYMORE, BUT I AM SUFFERING FROM INSOMNIA, AND SO IT IS ALL THAT I HAVE TO FALL BACK ON, AT THE TIME BEING. Some of us with damaged Cytochrome P-450 systems don't do well with things like this. (Too far gone to look it up in my PDR tonight. Terrible night last night due to three mice keeping me up.) CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE CYTOCHROME P-450 PATHWAYS ARE? MAYBE NEXT MONTH I CAN GET THE BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS CHARTS; THERE ARE TWO OF THEM, I FOUND OUT, AVAILABLE DIRECTLY, FROM ROCHE APPLIED SCIENCE. > By this time tomorrow, I should be feeling good, > from the effects of it. WELL, I ASSUMED WRONG; CLONIDINE IS A COMPLETE CROCK. I FEEL JUST AS MISERABLE ON CLONIDINE, AS I DO, ON OLANZAPINE. > Relative to Clonazepam, Clonidine is said to not > be addictive. > Although the stance that I take, is that all drugs > are addictve, if obsessed over. ALL DRUGS ARE ADDICTIVE,,,, AND I AM FUCKING PISSED AT THE DAMNED MAINSTREAM DOCTORS, AND PHARMACOLOGY NOW. I AM READY NOW, TO BRING A LAWSUIT AGAINST SEVERAL OF THE PHARAMACOLOGY INDUSTRIES, FOR FUCKING PEOPLE'S LIVES UP, AND ALTERING THE ELECTRONEUROCHEMISTRY OF THE PHYSIOLOGICAL WHOLE; (THE PHYSIOLOGICAL WHOLISM), INTO A MAJOR DISORDER; (A MAJOR SABOTAGED ORDER); (ORDER TO DISORDER). They say diuretics are better anti-hypertensives than anything else. Potassium is a good one, if not overdone, vitamin C helps too; but trace minerals are REQUIRED or you will run out of things like copper, magnesium, etc. and suffer. I'D EAT MORE BANANNA'S, BUT MONEY IS ALREADY VERY SLIM, WITH WHAT SMALL AMOUNT THAT I HAVE, TO WASTE ON THE NONSENSICAL PRICE, OF GASOLINE. I TRIED Q-10, BUT IT NEGATIVELY EFFECTED MY CARDIOLOGY WITH INCREASED HEART PALPITATIONS, AND SO I DISCONTIUED TAKING THAT. I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING FISH OIL, SINCE IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT IT IS ACTUALLY MUCH BETTER, THAN CONSUMING OLIVE OIL. After some two years of eating the stuff, I no longer had much of a problem. At least, till some idiot doctor prescribed a tetracycline derivative... Then WHAM! I had Candida again. Had to go on Diflucan plus other antibiotics, eat the heavy garlic and onion soups again, etc. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS, IN THE TETRACYCLINE, THAT CAUSED THE CANDIDA TO RETURN? WAS THE CANDIDA STILL WITH YOU, REGARDLESS OF YOU EATING THE LARGE AMOUNTS OF GARLIC AND ONIONS? > I question if it could possibly be in my lungs > if I have it, because it has become so damned > difficult to breath now; to both automatically, > and manually, intake air, at will. Suggests either respiratory or metabolic alkalosis. It's a problem with those who have low body temperature, vegetarians like myself, and those who have had serious carbon monoxide poisoning. Albert Donnay at http://www.mcsrr.org/ talks about CO poisoning, and other problems of those who are sensitive or reactive to many chemicals. I HATE TO SAY THIS, (I ONLY EXPERIMENTED WITH MARIJUANA; DIDN'T USE IT ON MY OWN;) BUT THERE WAS ONE OCCASION WHERE I WAS AT A HOUSE WITH PEOPLE WHO I DIDN'T KNOW, AND I INTOOK A VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF MARIJUANA SMOKE, THROUGH A WATER BONG; IT DID NOT FEEL GOOD AT ALL, AND I REGRET DOING THAT. I WONDER IF THAT COULD HAVE CAUSED ME SERIOUS, PERMANENT, NEUROTIC HARM??? Asthma-like symptoms, if this is what it is, and I don't know since I've never had "real" asthma, could be due to Aspergilis in the lungs. Some 10% of the genuine cases are found to have this. I'VE NEVER HAD TRUE ASTHMA, BUT MY BREATHING CAUSES ME TO FEEL THE EFFECTS, THAT HAVE SIMILARITIES TO FEELINGS OF ASTHMA. For me, sniffing CO2 recently has helped me trigger reflexes generating deeper breathing patterns. If one has low body temperature like I have, one probably has low metabolism, so one ends up with low CO2 generation and hence reduced breathing. We've just discussed this thing on the Immune list. Breathing small quantities of CO2 (less than 1 - 2% overall) acidifies the blood. Blood pH regulates breathing, so when the blood gets acidic, breathing picks up. That gets more oxygen into the system WITHOUT the effects of a bad pH rise, and in my case, that prompts an increase in metabolism, which then generates more CO2 to sustain deeper breathing long after the one or two sniffs of high quantity CO2. (Think seltzer bottles. Most BB gun CO2 cartridges are loaded with lubricants, etc. and is NOT for human consumption!) I'D LIKE TO TRY CO2, BUT I THINK THAT YOU SAID THAT THE EFFECTS DO NOT LAST VERY LONG AFTERWARDS, IN ONE OF YOUR OTHER RESPONSES, AND VINEGAR; I HAVE ALWAYS HATED VINEGAR, BUT I TRIED A LITTLE BIT OF IT, STRAIGHT FROM THE BOTTLE, TWICE; ONCE YESTERDAY, AND ANOTHER TIME, THE DAY BEFORE, AND IT SEEMED TO HELP A LITTLE BIT. THANKS VESTA, FOR THE INFORMATION REGARDING VINEGAR INTAKE! HOW MUCH IS IT, THAT YOU INTAKE, EXACTLY, EACH MORNING??? IS IT A FULL GLASS OR A FULL CUP OF VINEGAR, ALONG WITH THE ICE THAT YOU MENTIONED??? The other thing was to monitor urine pH. Yes, some idiot doctors get all upset when they see a person paying so much attention to their bodily functions; but it was an early warning sign seeing my pH shift upwards before I started having breathing problems, reacting to wood smoke, etc. A that point, I'd start taking more ascorbic acid. If I could keep the pH below 6, I'd not get that bad a set of reactions. If I didn't, it would get bad! I HAVE TAKEN SOME VITAMIN C, AFTER PURCHASING A BOTTLE OF IT, FROM A LOCAL HEALTH AND NUTRICIAN STORE, AND IT SEEMED TO INCREASE THE NEGATIVE FEELING IN MY HEART; HEART PALPITATIONS, MURMURS, LOW BLOOD PRESSURE, AND MY HEART FEELING LIKE IT WAS GOING TO EXPLODE, AND SO I WOKE UP A FEW TIMES, LAST MONTH, DURING THE NIGHT, AND DRANK SOME WATER, AND THE WATER HELPED EVER SO SLIGHTLY, BUT DIDN'T HELP ENTIRELY. Later, we started watching my blood pressure. Wood smoke and other things would make it fall from 120/70, to 96/... at about 98/..., I could barely write the blood pressure down. Much below 96/..., I couldn't even work the cuff to take it. Today, I'd also chart my body temperature! As it drops below 97.0, all kinds of things would start going wrong... and I do believe that it was the combination of pH and body temperature that was much of the problem. I CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANY WAYS AND MEANS OF CHECKING MY PH LEVEL, AND/OR BALANCE. WHAT INSTRUMENTS, AND EQUIPMENT ARE REQUIRED TO CHECK PH LEVELS, AND BALANCE? When a competent physician sees records like that, he may start believing something is wrong. Though those who don't... tend to want you to stop because you are showing them something they don't understand, and may be held liable for not understanding. THE LIABILITY ISSUE SEEMS TO BE HAUNTING BOTH THE PSYCHIATRIST THAT I WAS SEEING, AS WELL AS MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN DOCTOR THAT I WENT TO SEE LAST TUESDAY. MY P.C.P. GOT A LITTLE ANGRY AT ME, FOR ASKING HIM TOO MANY QUESTIONS. In your case, the blood pressure and body temperature may go up instead of down, I don't know. I'm just saying that I kept some records which showed me clear phsyological responses, and the effect of my therapies. When I walked a summary of those records in to two young doctors at Yale, they... as one put it, the first time he read it he thought I was nuts; but he saw it was clear I was measuring something. On second reading it was clear I was doing science in treating myself, trying things and tracking the results. And so he read it the third time, thinking about what the effects of what I was doing were, and concluded I knew a lot more about the problem than they did. While that didn't help me... It did give me some sense that the approach was sound, and I was on the right track. Sometimes us mad scientists have to experiment on ourselves. WELL, I AM WILLING TO EXPERIMENT ON MYSELF. I ALREADY HAVE, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BECAUSE I AM FED UP WITH PHARMA-PSEUDO-CALS. PHARMA-PSEUDO-CALS = ENDLESS CYCLES. WHAT??? ='S AN ENDLESS SOLUTION??? ;;;; FOR ME, AS WELL AS FOR OTHERS TOO??? I WANT THIS DISCUSSION TO BENEFIT OTHERS OUT THERE TOO, AND NOT JUST MYSELF. > Clonodine, has got me wondering about the > relationships in the chemical complexes of > drugs that end in: ine. > Since I experimented with Methamphetamine, > and have taken Olanzapine for so long now, it > has me wondering what the science is, behind > these types of drugs, and the similarities in > all of their chemical complexes. > There is also: Morphine, that ends in, ine as > well. -ine often refers to something containing nitrogen, an amine, often an NH3 group; and often a base (alkaline) compound. Most amino acids end in -ine, (and are not basic...) as do some neurotransmitters, like Dopamine. YOU KNOW, A SLANG TERMINOLOGY FOR MARIJUANA, IS DOPE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LINGUISTIC LINK IS, BETWEEN THE SLANG WORD: DOPE, AND THE WORD: DOPAMINE? I KNOW THAT IT IS THE ACTION OF SLUGGISH-NESS, IN NEURAL FUNCTIONING, BUT IS THAT ALL THERE IS TO IT? THE IGNORANT PEOPLE OUT THERE, AUTOMATICALLY SAY, THAT THE SMOKING OF MARIJUANA KILLS BRAIN CELLS. BUT WHAT IS THE REAL TRUTH; SEEMS LIKE I HAVE HEARD THAT THE SMOKING OF MARIJUANA IS A SERATONIN BLOCKER, "OR A MELATONIN BLOCKER", OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, AND IT ALSO MAKES ONE PARANOID TOO. IT IS SO DAMNED COMPLICATED, AND CHEMICAL SCIENCE IS NOT A FAVORITE SUBJECT OF MINE. I LIKE PHYSICS, BUT I DISLIKE CHEMISTRY, IN MOST CASES. The NH3 groups will not be the only thing determining the biological function of the compound. Not by a long shot! Chemical nomenclature is a complex subject which I am nowhere near able to discuss. I never got beyond naming simple things in some 200's level organic chem class. About then, I discovered The Computer, fell into the computer center, and was (almost) never heard from again. When I saw the next level of organic chem classes were pure rote memorization, I threw in the towel on that career path and went for computer science, where I could start building things NOW! > I luckily got the 10" outside diameter, PVC > pipe, on Friday, for free, and I thought I was > it to be: Three coils total; the top and bottom > coils spaced 6 inches each, from the center > coil. For a Helmholtz field, I believe one would then have to scale down the spacing to five inches between each of the coils. BOTH OF THE END COILS, EACH SPACED 5 INCHES FROM THE CENTER COIL? > I am worried a little, that I might get the > volume/amplitude/electromagnetic field > strength, too high. I only know one way of finding out, start low and slowly increase the power to the coil. YEAH, BUT WHERE IS A GOOD STOPPING POINT??? +3dB UNITS??? I REALIZE THAT DIFFERENT AMPLIFIERS HAVE DIFFERENT OUTPUT LEVELS, ACCORDING TO THE WAY THAT THEY ARE DESIGNED. IS YOUR AUDIO AMP, A CONSUMER GRADE AMP, OR A COMMERCIAL GRADE AMP? AND WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM dB UNIT LEVEL, THAT YOU HAVE OPERATED YOUR AMP, AND THE HELMHOLTZ COILS AT? DO THE COILS GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE SETUP AT MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH? YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU DO NOT USE ANY RESISTANCE IN SERIES WITH THE COILS, EXCEPT FOR WHAT LITTLE RESISTANCE THAT THE COILS HAVE, AND SO THE RESISTANCE WILL BE VERY LOW. DOES YOUR AUDIO AMP GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE HELMHOLTZ COILS AT THE MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH/INTENSITY? > I need a concrete way to get the field > strength (measurement), accurate to the field > strength of your coils. Is it really important? Will you react exactly as all the other people do to a specific level of intensity? They don't all react the same way, so why should you? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I HOPE TO THE LORD, THAT IT WILL PUT ME TO SLEEP VERY QUICKLY, BECAUSE I AM SO FUCKING FED UP WITH (CHEMICAL) DRUGS, AS I HAVE ALREADY STATED BEFORE. When my mind is going strong, 20ma has no real effect. When it is weak, 20ma is like having my glasses cleaned and my mind unified and turned on. I HAVE AN ECG MULTIMETER, AND IT HAS THE ABILITY TO MEASURE FROM MILLIAMPS TO AMPS, BUT I DO NOT HAVE A CURRENT MEASURING PROBE, TO USE WITH IT, AT THIS TIME. > This perfectionism of mine is somewhat > of a curse, but without it, I would be > worse off than what I am at, now. Don't know. The quest for perfection often keeps us from trying things just to see what effects we might find. Sometimes a quick and dirty experiment gives us ballpark numbers, enough to get an idea of what we are looking at or thinking about. That manager I mentioned above use to come at me with the question of how do you know the concept is even likely to work? Do a quick and dirty test or two, THEN, _IF_ that looks good, commit more resources to it. He was right. I'd often really spend a lot of time thinking things through, building elaborate things and doing elaborate proof of concepts tests against real-life / professional-experience examples in my mind before committing them to reality. But when I did the quick and dirty proof-of-concept prototypes, and SHOWED others the idea earlier, we'd get more people thinking about it, talking about it, brainstorming around it, showing up flaws I'd missed, buying in to it because they got to discuss, maybe even add ideas to it, and so I'd get more people helping build a better version of it than what I could do alone. Though that meant I did have to have a solid concept to start with, and work at selling the idea to the group. There are pluses and minuses to each approach. Well, mouse number two seems to have fallen into my trap? No, I don't see him there. I got the first mouse just as I started writing this. Now... ok, the second mouse seems to have quieted down for the night, left, or gotten killed elsewhere. I'm having a plague of mice crawling through here. They kept me awake all last night. Got one today in a glue pad, but another one has come in. I can hear it crawling among my stuff. I think I may have had three running around last night. I FUCKING HATE MICE, AND THEIR FUCKING NONSENSICAL EXISTANCES. THEY SHOULD BE GENETICALLY ERADICATED FROM EXISTANCE FOREVER. Two foot high Teflon fence around this camp??? Sigh, probably too pricy. And a flaming moat is out of the question. Every time I poison one and it dies under my floor boards, I get breathing problems from the rot and I have to pull up some of the boards to vacuum clean the blasted thing out. I AM SO FUCKING PISSED AT THE ENVIRONMENT (THE ENPRISONMENT), THAT I WANT TO LIVE IN AN ENTIRELY PERFECTLY HERMETICALLY SEALED REALITY AND EXISTANCE, EVEN IF IT MEANS COMPLETELY OVERDOSING ON PAINKILLERS AND CYANIDE AND ARSENIC, AND BECOMING COMPLETELY STATUESQUE, OR LIVING IN A COMPLETELY SEALED/ISOLATED BIOSPHERE ECOLOGY, BECAUSE I AM SICK OF THE ENVIRONMENT; EXO AND ENDO. RESOURCES ARE FOREVER FINITE, AS WELL AS FUCKED UP, AND (THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE FUCKING TUNNEL IS) FOREVER FLEETING. SICK OF LIFE IS WHAT I'D SAY; BUT THAT HAS BECOME WAY TOO SMALL. As some cartoon character said, "I hate those meeces to pieces!" And it's that hate and sleepiness that's keeping me from dong the work I need to do. I HAVE REACHED THE POINT NOW, TO WHERE I AM AT THE EDGE OF UNCONDITIONAL HATE. Good hearing from you again, Clyde. I was wondering how you were doing. Keep plugging away at it, even if but an inch at a time. The inches add up. IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE AN INFINITE # OF INCHES YET TO GODDAMNED AND MANDAMNED GO, AND IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050412/f5af8a6f/attachment-0001.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Apr 13 07:23:39 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Apr 13 00:23:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various things. In-Reply-To: <20050413045806.71660.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 12, 2005 09:58:05 PM Message-ID: <20050413072339.77309.qmail@mall-net.com> > I AM FED UP WITH DRUGS: ALL DRUGS. > I WANT SOLUTIONS: PERMANENT SOLUTIONS. Things are relative. Permanence often ends up too cast in concrete to bend as needs change. (Falling asleep s I edit and spell check... long day today.) > I STILL HAVE TO WIND THE MAGNET WIRE ON THE PVC FORMER, FOR THE > BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT PROJECT. > I CANNOT EVEN AFFORD ONE TUBE OF SILCONE RTV RIGHT NOW. So use something else, like garbage bag twist ties. > I FUCKING HATE MONEY. You should like money, so you will be tempted to accumulate more of it. We often avoid that which we don't like... which, I suppose, is why most of the people on this mountain are poor. > I DON'T WANT OLANZAPINE (ZYPREXA) ANYMORE, BUT I AM SUFFERING > FROM INSOMNIA, AND SO IT IS ALL THAT I HAVE TO FALL BACK ON, AT THE > TIME BEING. Melatonin worked for me... > Some of us with damaged Cytochrome P-450 systems don't do well with > things like this. (Too far gone to look it up in my PDR tonight. > Terrible night last night due to three mice keeping me up.) > > > CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE CYTOCHROME P-450 PATHWAYS ARE? http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/p450.html > MAYBE NEXT MONTH I CAN GET THE BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS CHARTS; > THERE ARE TWO OF THEM, I FOUND OUT, AVAILABLE DIRECTLY, FROM > ROCHE APPLIED SCIENCE. Yes, the drug company... they put all the profits from the sales of vitamins (they make the best C) into drug research. > WELL, I ASSUMED WRONG; CLONIDINE IS A COMPLETE CROCK. > I FEEL JUST AS MISERABLE ON CLONIDINE, AS I DO, ON OLANZAPINE. Hmmm... > I AM READY NOW, TO BRING A LAWSUIT AGAINST SEVERAL OF THE > PHARAMACOLOGY INDUSTRIES, FOR FUCKING PEOPLE'S LIVES UP, > AND ALTERING THE ELECTRONEUROCHEMISTRY OF THE PHYSIOLOGICAL > WHOLE; (THE PHYSIOLOGICAL WHOLISM), INTO A MAJOR DISORDER; (A > MAJOR SABOTAGED ORDER); (ORDER TO DISORDER). Be a little hard to do. They can afford the big lawyers. > They say diuretics are better anti-hypertensives than anything > else. Potassium is a good one, if not overdone, vitamin C helps too; > but trace minerals are REQUIRED or you will run out of things like > copper, magnesium, etc. and suffer. > > I'D EAT MORE BANANNA'S, BUT MONEY IS ALREADY VERY SLIM, WITH > WHAT SMALL AMOUNT THAT I HAVE, TO WASTE ON THE NONSENSICAL > PRICE, OF GASOLINE. Yep! i knoww the problem. > I TRIED Q-10, BUT IT NEGATIVELY EFFECTED MY CARDIOLOGY WITH > INCREASED HEART PALPITATIONS, AND SO I DISCONTIUED TAKING > THAT. Hard to know how it interacts with what else you are taking. > I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING FISH OIL, SINCE IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT > IT IS ACTUALLY MUCH BETTER, THAN CONSUMING OLIVE OIL. Maybe. > After some two years of eating the stuff, I no longer had much of a > problem. At least, till some idiot doctor prescribed a tetracycline > derivative... Then WHAM! I had Candida again. Had to go on Diflucan > plus other antibiotics, eat the heavy garlic and onion soups again, etc. > > > DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS, IN THE TETRACYCLINE, THAT CAUSED THE > CANDIDA TO RETURN? It kills the bugs that compete with candida. The gut is filled with bacteria and fungi, all fighting for a place to live. We do well with some bacteria, such as the acidophilous bacteria, and badly with others. > WAS THE CANDIDA STILL WITH YOU, REGARDLESS OF YOU EATING THE > LARGE AMOUNTS OF GARLIC AND ONIONS? The general theory, by some group on disbyosis (wrong bugs) suggests that the spores are very hard to permanently eliminate. Maybe, maybe not; but the candida fungi are very common in the world, so you can become re-infected over and over again. > I HATE TO SAY THIS, (I ONLY EXPERIMENTED WITH MARIJUANA; DIDN'T > USE IT ON MY OWN;) BUT THERE WAS ONE OCCASION WHERE I WAS AT > A HOUSE WITH PEOPLE WHO I DIDN'T KNOW, AND I INTOOK A VERY LARGE > AMOUNT OF MARIJUANA SMOKE, THROUGH A WATER BONG; IT DID NOT FEEL > GOOD AT ALL, AND I REGRET DOING THAT. > > I WONDER IF THAT COULD HAVE CAUSED ME SERIOUS, PERMANENT, > NEUROTIC HARM??? Probably not, at least not for the average person. > Asthma-like symptoms, if this is what it is, and I don't know > since I've never had "real" asthma, could be due to Aspergilis in the > lungs. Some 10% of the genuine cases are found to have this. > > I'VE NEVER HAD TRUE ASTHMA, BUT MY BREATHING CAUSES ME TO FEEL > THE EFFECTS, THAT HAVE SIMILARITIES TO FEELINGS OF ASTHMA. Interesting. Could be allergies to something. > For me, sniffing CO2 recently has helped me trigger reflexes > generating deeper breathing patterns. If one has low body temperature > like I have, one probably has low metabolism, so one ends up with low > CO2 generation and hence reduced breathing. We've just discussed this > thing on the Immune list. Breathing small quantities of CO2 (less than 1 > - 2% overall) acidifies the blood. Blood pH regulates breathing, so > when the blood gets acidic, breathing picks up. That gets more oxygen > into the system WITHOUT the effects of a bad pH rise, and in my case, > that prompts an increase in metabolism, which then generates more CO2 to > sustain deeper breathing long after the one or two sniffs of high > quantity CO2. (Think seltzer bottles. Most BB gun CO2 cartridges are > loaded with lubricants, etc. and is NOT for human consumption!) > > > I'D LIKE TO TRY CO2, BUT I THINK THAT YOU SAID THAT THE EFFECTS DO NOT > LAST VERY LONG AFTERWARDS, IN ONE OF YOUR OTHER RESPONSES, Depends. If the body is too alkaline due to lack of oxygen utilization, increasing the availability of oxygen may, in some cases, also improve metabolism, hence resulting in a higher CO2 level in the blood, and thus deeper breathing. > AND VINEGAR; I HAVE ALWAYS HATED VINEGAR, BUT I TRIED A LITTLE BIT > OF IT, STRAIGHT FROM THE BOTTLE, TWICE; ONCE YESTERDAY, AND > ANOTHER TIME, THE DAY BEFORE, AND IT SEEMED TO HELP A LITTLE BIT. > THANKS VESTA, FOR THE INFORMATION REGARDING VINEGAR INTAKE! > > HOW MUCH IS IT, THAT YOU INTAKE, EXACTLY, EACH MORNING??? > IS IT A FULL GLASS OR A FULL CUP OF VINEGAR, ALONG WITH THE ICE > THAT YOU MENTIONED??? Vermont Country Medicine, Old Vermont Medicine, or some similar book talks about a teaspoon to a tablespoon full. A cup would be way too much. Acetylation is one way the body detoxified some things. Methylation is another. Some use a product called MSM to assist in methylation type detoxification > The other thing was to monitor urine pH. Yes, some idiot doctors > get all upset when they see a person paying so much attention to their > bodily functions; but it was an early warning sign seeing my pH shift > upwards before I started having breathing problems, reacting to wood > smoke, etc. A that point, I'd start taking more ascorbic acid. If I > could keep the pH below 6, I'd not get that bad a set of reactions. If > I didn't, it would get bad! > > > I HAVE TAKEN SOME VITAMIN C, AFTER PURCHASING A BOTTLE OF IT, FROM > A LOCAL HEALTH AND NUTRICIAN STORE, AND IT SEEMED TO INCREASE THE > NEGATIVE FEELING IN MY HEART; HEART PALPITATIONS, MURMURS, LOW > BLOOD PRESSURE, AND MY HEART FEELING LIKE IT WAS GOING TO > EXPLODE, AND SO I WOKE UP A FEW TIMES, LAST MONTH, DURING THE > NIGHT, AND DRANK SOME WATER, AND THE WATER HELPED EVER SO > SLIGHTLY, BUT DIDN'T HELP ENTIRELY. Water will help lower blood pressure. > Later, we started watching my blood pressure. Wood smoke and other > things would make it fall from 120/70, to 96/... at about 98/..., I > could barely write the blood pressure down. Much below 96/..., I > couldn't even work the cuff to take it. > > Today, I'd also chart my body temperature! As it drops below 97.0, > all kinds of things would start going wrong... and I do believe that it > was the combination of pH and body temperature that was much of the > problem. > > > I CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANY WAYS AND MEANS OF CHECKING MY > PH LEVEL, AND/OR BALANCE. > WHAT INSTRUMENTS, AND EQUIPMENT ARE REQUIRED TO CHECK PH > LEVELS, AND BALANCE? pH strips. Get something in the 5.2 - 7.0 range. Some pharmacies carry them. Don't get something with two broad a range, as it can be difficult to tell minor variations. > THE LIABILITY ISSUE SEEMS TO BE HAUNTING BOTH THE PSYCHIATRIST > THAT I WAS SEEING, AS WELL AS MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN DOCTOR > THAT I WENT TO SEE LAST TUESDAY. > MY P.C.P. GOT A LITTLE ANGRY AT ME, FOR ASKING HIM TOO MANY > QUESTIONS. Boom! Get another doctor! Any doctor who will not answer your questions IS NOT a good doctor for you! Of course, it may simply be that he does not have the time, or that the insurance companies might not pay him. But he has an obligation to answer questions. > In your case, the blood pressure and body temperature may go up > instead of down, I don't know. I'm just saying that I kept some records > which showed me clear phsyological responses, and the effect of my > WELL, I AM WILLING TO EXPERIMENT ON MYSELF. > I ALREADY HAVE, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BECAUSE I AM FED UP > WITH PHARMA-PSEUDO-CALS. Yes. Dr. Philpot is in Choctaw 405-390-1444, he will work with other physicians. He wrote a very interesting book "Brain Allergies", about some things which can mame a person fail mentally. Look up orthomolecular Oklahoma for some interesting reading. http://www.google.com/search?orthomolecular+oklahoma > -ine often refers to something containing nitrogen, an amine, often > an NH3 group; and often a base (alkaline) compound. Most amino acids > end in -ine, (and are not basic...) as do some neurotransmitters, like > Dopamine. > > > YOU KNOW, A SLANG TERMINOLOGY FOR MARIJUANA, IS DOPE. > DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LINGUISTIC LINK IS, BETWEEN THE SLANG > WORD: DOPE, AND THE WORD: DOPAMINE? Not quite. Dope came from a coating for cloth aircraft wings. It would make the painters "dopy" because of the solvents used. > I KNOW THAT IT IS THE ACTION OF SLUGGISH-NESS, IN NEURAL > FUNCTIONING, BUT IS THAT ALL THERE IS TO IT? Dopamine has many effects, but one is to narrow blood vessels as opposed to serotonin widening them. Though in the absence of dopamine, serotonin can narrow them. > THE IGNORANT PEOPLE OUT THERE, AUTOMATICALLY SAY, THAT > THE SMOKING OF MARIJUANA KILLS BRAIN CELLS. Many things kill brain cells. But you only need some minimal amount, and... well, in a neural network, some interconnects need to be removed. Cell death is one way. > BUT WHAT IS THE REAL TRUTH; SEEMS LIKE I HAVE HEARD THAT THE > SMOKING OF MARIJUANA IS A SERATONIN BLOCKER, "OR A MELATONIN > BLOCKER", OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, AND IT ALSO MAKES ONE > PARANOID TOO. I don't know. My own experience is that raising of dopamine and adrenaline can increase to tendency to wonder about the cause of things with the viewpoint of reacting. Thus, if one does not know science and something about the statistical nature of human behavior, one may find it easy to believe in conspiracies and other paranoid type things. In contrast, if one is rational, there is more of a willingness to question one's own perceptions. > IT IS SO DAMNED COMPLICATED, AND CHEMICAL SCIENCE IS NOT A > FAVORITE SUBJECT OF MINE. It is based, to some extent, on the probability of atomic and molecular collisions. > I LIKE PHYSICS, BUT I DISLIKE CHEMISTRY, IN MOST CASES. Physics is more definite. > For a Helmholtz field, I believe one would then have to scale down > the spacing to five inches between each of the coils. > > > BOTH OF THE END COILS, EACH SPACED 5 INCHES FROM THE CENTER > COIL? That would be right. > > I am worried a little, that I might get the > > volume/amplitude/electromagnetic field > > strength, too high. > > I only know one way of finding out, start low and slowly increase > the power to the coil. > > YEAH, BUT WHERE IS A GOOD STOPPING POINT??? When you just start to feel some effects. Play it by ear. > IS YOUR AUDIO AMP, A CONSUMER GRADE AMP, OR A COMMERCIAL > GRADE AMP? I am not using an amplifier, just a signal generator. > AND WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM dB UNIT LEVEL, THAT YOU HAVE OPERATED > YOUR AMP, AND THE HELMHOLTZ COILS AT? I put up to 20ma into it. > DO THE COILS GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE SETUP AT > MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH? Can't feel a thing! Gads, if they got hot, I'd hate to have my head in there! > YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU DO NOT USE ANY RESISTANCE IN > SERIES WITH THE COILS, EXCEPT FOR WHAT LITTLE RESISTANCE THAT THE > COILS HAVE, AND SO THE RESISTANCE WILL BE VERY LOW. Yes > > DOES YOUR AUDIO AMP GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE > HELMHOLTZ COILS AT THE MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH/INTENSITY? No amp, only 20ma input to my coils > I DON'T KNOW, BUT I HOPE TO THE LORD, THAT IT WILL PUT ME TO SLEEP > VERY QUICKLY, BECAUSE I AM SO FUCKING FED UP WITH (CHEMICAL) > DRUGS, AS I HAVE ALREADY STATED BEFORE. > When my mind is going strong, 20ma has no real effect. When it is > weak, 20ma is like having my glasses cleaned and my mind unified and > turned on. > > > I HAVE AN ECG MULTIMETER, AND IT HAS THE ABILITY TO MEASURE FROM > MILLIAMPS TO AMPS, BUT I DO NOT HAVE A CURRENT MEASURING PROBE, > TO USE WITH IT, AT THIS TIME. Wire... I wired it in-line with the signal generator. > I'm having a plague of mice crawling through here. They kept me > awake all last night. Got one today in a glue pad, but another one has > come in. I can hear it crawling among my stuff. I think I may have had > three running around last night. > > I FUCKING HATE MICE, AND THEIR FUCKING NONSENSICAL EXISTANCES. > THEY SHOULD BE GENETICALLY ERADICATED FROM EXISTANCE FOREVER. Interesting point... mice don't have to make sense. They just have to find food and mates. I dislike killing them, but since they are a threat to me, I will do it if I find no other conventient way to keep them out of my life. > I HAVE REACHED THE POINT NOW, TO WHERE I AM AT THE EDGE OF > UNCONDITIONAL HATE. This is not good. hate burns one up. There are many I could hate; but my hating them would be a victory for them, since it would change me from what I want to be. > Good hearing from you again, Clyde. I was wondering how you were > doing. Keep plugging away at it, even if but an inch at a time. The > inches add up. > > IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE AN INFINITE # OF INCHES YET TO GODDAMNED AND > MANDAMNED GO, AND IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING. I can understand that. Some years ago, I spent two weeks with bad kidney pain, etc. Laying in bed, getting up every hour or two to take a hot shower, getting back in bed, getting nurses to give me IV's, etc. But you know, that passed. I survived. You have to believe in the world. Believe that by and large, the balance of life is positive. Even mice help clean up the junk and insects. Maybe not enough for our taste, and when they bother us specifically, we can kill them; but it would be bad to kill all mice as they do useful work in the environment. (We just tempt them too much with our stuff.) Get the camera, Clyde. Or a small portable frame, and a notepad to sketch or describe what interesting things you can see. You have got to seek beauty in order to find it, and in order to develop an appreciation for the unique beauty of life. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 11:54:51 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Apr 13 11:55:29 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: More various topics. In-Reply-To: <20050413072339.77309.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050413185451.84644.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Melatonin worked for me... Melatonin worked for me for a while, but then after a while, it started effecting my cardiology negatively, after I discontinued taking Clonazepam. http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/p450.html Thanks for this weblink, I will print it out at the library! > WELL, I ASSUMED WRONG; CLONIDINE IS A COMPLETE CROCK. > I FEEL JUST AS MISERABLE ON CLONIDINE, AS I DO, ON OLANZAPINE. Hmmm... And Clonidine also messes with my cardiology too, and also with my mind, making me a miserable wretch, and causing fear, of and in, social interactions. Olanzapine messes with my mind, making me a miserable wretch, with fear, of and in, social interactions. > I TRIED Q-10, BUT IT NEGATIVELY EFFECTED MY CARDIOLOGY WITH > INCREASED HEART PALPITATIONS, AND SO I DISCONTIUED TAKING > THAT. Hard to know how it interacts with what else you are taking. > I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING FISH OIL, SINCE IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT > IT IS ACTUALLY MUCH BETTER, THAN CONSUMING OLIVE OIL. Maybe. My heart feels like it is damaged, and I fear that I am headed for heart failure; I am not drinking enough fluids at the present time, like I used to drink lots of fluids; and it is screwing me up. I just cannot afford the higher than hell expenses of food in this modern day. This country needs to invest in widescale, massively sized greenhouse biospheres, the size of football fields, for a new food production economy; farmers are just barely getting by, and a lot of them, as I have heard, have gone bankrupt. Also, I read in a book about Nikola Tesla one time, that he invented a ways and means to extract nitrogen from the atmosphere, to use, for fertilization of the earth ground, for farming. I assume that there are probably industries built around such a concept now, today. Although I don't have the time at the moment, to look into it, in depth, to find out what the type of industry is called, and what the extent of its benefit it is, to this country, and to the world. This country is also way behind the times, for a maglev monorail, national speed train system, to replace Amtrak. Interesting. Could be allergies to something. Possibly allergies to the crap ass air unquality, of this damned house in which I am forced to have to live, yet I cannot do a damned thing to improve the air quality. I need a 24/7 air filtration system, as well as a humidifier, for dry days. The dust level in this fucking house is nonsense, yet there is nothing that I can do about it, to correct the problem, because of the bullshit of money. > I'D LIKE TO TRY CO2, BUT I THINK THAT YOU SAID THAT THE EFFECTS DO NOT > LAST VERY LONG AFTERWARDS, IN ONE OF YOUR OTHER RESPONSES, Depends. If the body is too alkaline due to lack of oxygen utilization, increasing the availability of oxygen may, in some cases, also improve metabolism, hence resulting in a higher CO2 level in the blood, and thus deeper breathing. > AND VINEGAR; I HAVE ALWAYS HATED VINEGAR, BUT I TRIED A LITTLE BIT > OF IT, STRAIGHT FROM THE BOTTLE, TWICE; ONCE YESTERDAY, AND > ANOTHER TIME, THE DAY BEFORE, AND IT SEEMED TO HELP A LITTLE BIT. > THANKS VESTA, FOR THE INFORMATION REGARDING VINEGAR INTAKE! > > HOW MUCH IS IT, THAT YOU INTAKE, EXACTLY, EACH MORNING??? > IS IT A FULL GLASS OR A FULL CUP OF VINEGAR, ALONG WITH THE ICE > THAT YOU MENTIONED??? Vermont Country Medicine, Old Vermont Medicine, or some similar book talks about a teaspoon to a tablespoon full. A cup would be way too much. Ok! Acetylation is one way the body detoxified some things. Methylation is another. Some use a product called MSM to assist in methylation type detoxification Alright! > The other thing was to monitor urine pH. Yes, some idiot doctors > get all upset when they see a person paying so much attention to their > bodily functions; but it was an early warning sign seeing my pH shift > upwards before I started having breathing problems, reacting to wood > smoke, etc. A that point, I'd start taking more ascorbic acid. If I > could keep the pH below 6, I'd not get that bad a set of reactions. If > I didn't, it would get bad! > > > I HAVE TAKEN SOME VITAMIN C, AFTER PURCHASING A BOTTLE OF IT, FROM > A LOCAL HEALTH AND NUTRICIAN STORE, AND IT SEEMED TO INCREASE THE > NEGATIVE FEELING IN MY HEART; HEART PALPITATIONS, MURMURS, LOW > BLOOD PRESSURE, AND MY HEART FEELING LIKE IT WAS GOING TO > EXPLODE, AND SO I WOKE UP A FEW TIMES, LAST MONTH, DURING THE > NIGHT, AND DRANK SOME WATER, AND THE WATER HELPED EVER SO > SLIGHTLY, BUT DIDN'T HELP ENTIRELY. I forgot to mention also, that I tried vitamin B, and it increased my neurological (accellerated neurological metabolic rate of time), nervousness, to where I was extremely uncomfortable, around others. Water will help lower blood pressure. Ok. > Later, we started watching my blood pressure. Wood smoke and other > things would make it fall from 120/70, to 96/... at about 98/..., I > could barely write the blood pressure down. Much below 96/..., I > couldn't even work the cuff to take it. > > Today, I'd also chart my body temperature! As it drops below 97.0, > all kinds of things would start going wrong... and I do believe that it > was the combination of pH and body temperature that was much of the > problem. > > > I CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANY WAYS AND MEANS OF CHECKING MY > PH LEVEL, AND/OR BALANCE. > WHAT INSTRUMENTS, AND EQUIPMENT ARE REQUIRED TO CHECK PH > LEVELS, AND BALANCE? pH strips. Get something in the 5.2 - 7.0 range. Some pharmacies carry them. Don't get something with two broad a range, as it can be difficult to tell minor variations. Ok, I wonder if they are very expensive??? > THE LIABILITY ISSUE SEEMS TO BE HAUNTING BOTH THE PSYCHIATRIST > THAT I WAS SEEING, AS WELL AS MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN DOCTOR > THAT I WENT TO SEE LAST TUESDAY. > MY P.C.P. GOT A LITTLE ANGRY AT ME, FOR ASKING HIM TOO MANY > QUESTIONS. Boom! Get another doctor! Any doctor who will not answer your questions IS NOT a good doctor for you! Of course, it may simply be that he does not have the time, or that the insurance companies might not pay him. But he has an obligation to answer questions. My doctor definately did not have the time, but it still didn't give him the right to get angry at me, but I feel also, that he is obligated to answer my questions, in depth. He was at first, hesitant to have my blood tested, but he finally agreed to have it done. I still haven't seen the results of my blood test; I hope it will show some of the problems that I currently face. > In your case, the blood pressure and body temperature may go up > instead of down, I don't know. I'm just saying that I kept some records > which showed me clear phsyological responses, and the effect of my Yeah, ('I think') my blood pressure goes up, due to environmental stressors. There are a lot of times now, to where my blood boils at the slightest thing that goes wrong with reality. > WELL, I AM WILLING TO EXPERIMENT ON MYSELF. > I ALREADY HAVE, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BECAUSE I AM FED UP > WITH PHARMA-PSEUDO-CALS. Yes. Dr. Philpot is in Choctaw 405-390-1444, he will work with other physicians. He wrote a very interesting book "Brain Allergies", about some things which can mame a person fail mentally. Look up orthomolecular Oklahoma for some interesting reading. http://www.google.com/search?orthomolecular+oklahoma This is cool, thanks for the weblink; I know it will benefit many others, too! I do have a Choctaw Indian card, but really haven't been able to put it to much useage; I don't know if I would have to travel all of the way down to Durant Oklahoma, to get help, with Orthomolecular doctoring, or not. Durant is the headquarters of the Choctaw Native American tribe. > -ine often refers to something containing nitrogen, an amine, often > an NH3 group; and often a base (alkaline) compound. Most amino acids > end in -ine, (and are not basic...) as do some neurotransmitters, like > Dopamine. My own experience is that raising of dopamine and adrenaline can increase to tendency to wonder about the cause of things with the viewpoint of reacting. Thus, if one does not know science and something about the statistical nature of human behavior, one may find it easy to believe in conspiracies and other paranoid type things. I have certainly become an adrenaline junkie, and it is fucking with my heart, and fucking up my heart. In contrast, if one is rational, there is more of a willingness to question one's own perceptions. It is easy for me to jump the gun on many things, because of my screwed up neurology and also due to the wanting time to pass, far faster than what it does in certain circumstances, to blast past all of life's endless bullshit! > IT IS SO DAMNED COMPLICATED, AND CHEMICAL SCIENCE IS NOT A > FAVORITE SUBJECT OF MINE. It is based, to some extent, on the probability of atomic and molecular collisions. > I LIKE PHYSICS, BUT I DISLIKE CHEMISTRY, IN MOST CASES. Physics is more definite. Yeah, experimental electrical, acoustic, and electroacoustic physics are about my favorites, in physics. > For a Helmholtz field, I believe one would then have to scale down > the spacing to five inches between each of the coils. > > > BOTH OF THE END COILS, EACH SPACED 5 INCHES FROM THE CENTER > COIL? That would be right. > > I am worried a little, that I might get the > > volume/amplitude/electromagnetic field > > strength, too high. > > I only know one way of finding out, start low and slowly increase > the power to the coil. > > YEAH, BUT WHERE IS A GOOD STOPPING POINT??? When you just start to feel some effects. Play it by ear. I am not using an amplifier, just a signal generator. Ok. I thought that you mentioned in the past, that you used an audio amp, and so an audio amp now sounds overkill! > AND WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM dB UNIT LEVEL, THAT YOU HAVE OPERATED > YOUR AMP, AND THE HELMHOLTZ COILS AT? I put up to 20ma into it. > DO THE COILS GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE SETUP AT > MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH? Can't feel a thing! Gads, if they got hot, I'd hate to have my head in there! > YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU DO NOT USE ANY RESISTANCE IN > SERIES WITH THE COILS, EXCEPT FOR WHAT LITTLE RESISTANCE THAT THE > COILS HAVE, AND SO THE RESISTANCE WILL BE VERY LOW. Yes > > DOES YOUR AUDIO AMP GET REALLY HOT, WHEN YOU OPERATE THE > HELMHOLTZ COILS AT THE MAXIMUM FIELD STRENGTH/INTENSITY? No amp, only 20ma input to my coils Ok. But I am afraid that I might overload the audio gen output, due to the lack of a series resistance being inline, with the coils. > I DON'T KNOW, BUT I HOPE TO THE LORD, THAT IT WILL PUT ME TO SLEEP > VERY QUICKLY, BECAUSE I AM SO FUCKING FED UP WITH (CHEMICAL) > DRUGS, AS I HAVE ALREADY STATED BEFORE. > When my mind is going strong, 20ma has no real effect. When it is > weak, 20ma is like having my glasses cleaned and my mind unified and > turned on. Cool, I hope it will clean my glasses, and unifies my mind too! Do you know if it will cause the brain to flush out neurotoxins??? > I HAVE AN ECG MULTIMETER, AND IT HAS THE ABILITY TO MEASURE FROM > MILLIAMPS TO AMPS, BUT I DO NOT HAVE A CURRENT MEASURING PROBE, > TO USE WITH IT, AT THIS TIME. Wire... I wired it in-line with the signal generator. Alright. > I'm having a plague of mice crawling through here. They kept me > awake all last night. Got one today in a glue pad, but another one has > come in. I can hear it crawling among my stuff. I think I may have had > three running around last night. > > I FUCKING HATE MICE, AND THEIR FUCKING NONSENSICAL EXISTANCES. > THEY SHOULD BE GENETICALLY ERADICATED FROM EXISTANCE FOREVER. Interesting point... mice don't have to make sense. They just have to find food and mates. I dislike killing them, but since they are a threat to me, I will do it if I find no other conventient way to keep them out of my life. Of all of the endless pestilence, I have got to the point now to where I want to live in a perfect biosphere ecology, almost hermetically sealed, from the exo ecology of perpetual pestilence. I am sick and tired of pestilence of every kind! > I HAVE REACHED THE POINT NOW, TO WHERE I AM AT THE EDGE OF > UNCONDITIONAL HATE. This is not good. hate burns one up. There are many I could hate; but my hating them would be a victory for them, since it would change me from what I want to be. Yeah, I am burning up energy at an accellerated rate of time. Like the George Strait song: I Hate Everything; I am at the edge of hating everything. > IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE AN INFINITE # OF INCHES YET TO GODDAMNED AND > MANDAMNED GO, AND IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING. I can understand that. Some years ago, I spent two weeks with bad kidney pain, etc. Laying in bed, getting up every hour or two to take a hot shower, getting back in bed, getting nurses to give me IV's, etc. But you know, that passed. I survived. I hope I will survive all of this endless nonsense that life has to offer. I am sick and tired of it all. You have to believe in the world. I'm not so sure that I believe in the world. I am angry at this screwed up country, but also angry at the entire screwed up planet, and my anger is equally applicable to both this country, as well as the entire world. Believe that by and large, the balance of life is positive. I'd like to think that, but I am not certain that it is. Even mice help clean up the junk and insects. Although they leave a shitload of junk behind, and a shitload of mouse shit, and a shitload of mouse urine. Maybe not enough for our taste, and when they bother us specifically, we can kill them; but it would be bad to kill all mice as they do useful work in the environment. (We just tempt them too much with our stuff.) Not only am I at a discrepancy with the words: medicine, and medication, but I am also at a discrepancy with the word: environment too. Environment ='s Enprisonment, Encagement, Enfencement, Entrapment, Encasement, Enclosement, Imprisonment, etc. Get the camera, Clyde. Or a small portable frame, and a notepad to sketch or describe what interesting things you can see. You have got to seek beauty in order to find it, and in order to develop an appreciation for the unique beauty of life. I also forgot to mention before, that I have a professional Panasonic VHS video camera, but have not put it to tremendous use; it has stayed inside of the carrying case, for the majority of the time that I have owned it, since I want to preserve its life, for a very long time, and really haven't felt the need to use it for much anyway, since I currently cannot afford to buy a low power television broadcast transmitter, for a micro T.V. station. And I didn't mention too, that I do journalling, yet money always impedes progress: ALWAYS!!!, regarding the ability to apply my research, to endless hands on science projects. Right now I need something for both my neurology, and for my anger, combined. I am working on a massive list of weblinks that I have found in my internet searches and researches, of the past, and of the present, to share with others out there. I've got nothing to lose, by sharing all of the infomation. I hope that I will get the list finished today, but I can't put a guarantee on it. There will also be a sequel to the list, at a future time, maybe even a third part, or more. Sincerely, Clyde --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050413/637805cb/attachment-0001.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Apr 13 23:15:35 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Apr 13 16:15:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: More various topics. In-Reply-To: <20050413185451.84644.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 13, 2005 11:54:51 AM Message-ID: <20050413231535.2409.qmail@mall-net.com> > Melatonin worked for me... > > > Melatonin worked for me for a while, but then after a while, it started effecting > my cardiology negatively, after I discontinued taking Clonazepam. If many thigns are out of whack, it can be hard to work them back. > > I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING FISH OIL, SINCE IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT > > IT IS ACTUALLY MUCH BETTER, THAN CONSUMING OLIVE OIL. > > Maybe. > > My heart feels like it is damaged, and I fear that I am headed for heart failure; I am > not drinking enough fluids at the present time, like I used to drink lots of fluids; and > it is screwing me up. Sounds like low trace minerals. It's amazing what happens when some obscure mineral used in micrograms in the body is absent. Whole systems start mibehaving. i remember Doc once suggested I try Sea Gruel, a de-salinized sea salt. There are others of that type I have tried from time to time. They all have some mild positive effect at that couple of drops per day range, at least for me. > I just cannot afford the higher than hell expenses of food in this modern day. > This country needs to invest in widescale, massively sized greenhouse biospheres, > the size of football fields, for a new food production economy; farmers are just > barely getting by, and a lot of them, as I have heard, have gone bankrupt. Yes. It's the cost of the fuel to plow, cost of the money to own, etc. Investing more would only bankrupt faster. We have trememdous farm productivity... we just have fuel and money costs. > Also, I read in a book about Nikola Tesla one time, that he invented a ways and means > to extract nitrogen from the atmosphere, to use, for fertilization of the earth ground, > for farming. We're doing a lot of that in seveal ways, from what I hear. > I assume that there are probably industries built around such a concept now, today. > Although I don't have the time at the moment, to look into it, in depth, to find out > what the type of industry is called, and what the extent of its benefit it is, to this > country, and to the world. > This country is also way behind the times, for a maglev monorail, national speed > train system, to replace Amtrak. Yes we are. But... would it return the investment? Trucks are cheaper, go more places, and don't have to be unloaded from the trains into the trucks. > Possibly allergies to the crap ass air unquality, of this damned house in which > I am forced to have to live, yet I cannot do a damned thing to improve the air > quality. > I need a 24/7 air filtration system, as well as a humidifier, for dry days. > The dust level in this fucking house is nonsense, yet there is nothing that I can > do about it, to correct the problem, because of the bullshit of money. What i built: http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/air.html > I forgot to mention also, that I tried vitamin B, and it increased my neurological > (accellerated neurological metabolic rate of time), nervousness, to where I was extremely > uncomfortable, around others. Too much pantothenic acid can do that. Other question is PKU. And just in case I forgot, avoid all artificially sweetened sodas, aspartame, nutrasweet, etc. > pH strips. Get something in the 5.2 - 7.0 range. Some pharmacies > carry them. Don't get something with two broad a range, as it can be > difficult to tell minor variations. > > Ok, I wonder if they are very expensive??? Not a clue. I suppose it depends on the type. I'm falling asleep here, so I'm skipping a bit. Had to get up early to tow a truck out of there and return some rental equipment. > Dr. Philpot is in Choctaw 405-390-1444, he will work with other > physicians. He wrote a very interesting book "Brain Allergies", about > some things which can mame a person fail mentally. > > Look up orthomolecular Oklahoma for some interesting reading. > > http://www.google.com/search?orthomolecular+oklahoma > > This is cool, thanks for the weblink; I know it will benefit many others, too! > I do have a Choctaw Indian card, but really haven't been able to put it to much > useage; I don't know if I would have to travel all of the way down to Durant Oklahoma, > to get help, with Orthomolecular doctoring, or not. > Durant is the headquarters of the Choctaw Native American tribe. > It is easy for me to jump the gun on many things, because of my screwed up neurology > and also due to the wanting time to pass, far faster than what it does in certain > circumstances, to blast past all of life's endless bullshit! Yes, the mad scientist type. Like all of us at times! > > Ok. > But I am afraid that I might overload the audio gen output, due to the lack of a series resistance being inline, with the coils. Well, the signal generator still runs... > Of all of the endless pestilence, I have got to the point now to where I want to live in > a perfect biosphere ecology, almost hermetically sealed, from the exo ecology of > perpetual pestilence. > I am sick and tired of pestilence of every kind! Evolution is messy, but it's worked for several billion years. > Get the camera, Clyde. Or a small portable frame, and a notepad to > sketch or describe what interesting things you can see. You have got > to seek beauty in order to find it, and in order to develop an > appreciation for the unique beauty of life. > > I also forgot to mention before, that I have a professional Panasonic VHS video > camera, but have not put it to tremendous use; it has stayed inside of the > carrying case, for the majority of the time that I have owned it, since I want to > preserve its life, for a very long time, and really haven't felt the need to use it > for much anyway, since I currently cannot afford to buy a low power television > broadcast transmitter, for a micro T.V. station. Electronics grows obsolete faster than it wears out. Head about to hit desk... core image failure, I*'d dump my registers, Dave, but I can't find the pointer to them. Got to taks a snoozzwe! Daizy dayzy... -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Apr 13 20:06:56 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Apr 13 17:07:17 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Gasoline pricing [WAS: Antibacterial mustard?] Message-ID: <003c01c54085$e05c4aa0$6401a8c0@mikey> > Javilk writes: > And how much leeway do the refineries > have on price? Well, with a crude oil price of $57 per 42 gal bbl, this makes the crude price about $1.37 per gallon. Conversion cost is ~.10, transport adds .05-.20 (depending on destination). Also, the additives actually reduce the cost slightly, as ethanol costs about $0.80 per gallon. So let's say that full product cost is $1.60, delivered. To that delivered price, add anywhere from .30-.60 for taxes (Higher in CA). So your pump price of almost $2.70 includes ~.50 in clear profit. Most retailers make only 1-3 cents per gallon (they use it only as a draw to sell beer and cigarettes inside); the lion's share of the profit goes to the refiner and distributor. I've already seen a switch to using lower grades. At the corner store where I work part time, we sell 6000-7000 gallons per week. In January, we sold ~1200 gallons of 91 octane per week; last week, only 96 gallons were sold. But the aggregate total gallons sold has changed little. So the corner store here makes ~$130/week on gas sales, the gasoline company makes ~$3120/week. > > You cannot just bring a continuous cat cracker to cold shutdown without > > destroying the catalyst, very like a coke oven. It was built to run > > without stopping, until the catalyst is poisoned- forcing a maintenance > > shutdown. > > > > And restart is dangerous- this is what caused the recent explosion in > > Texas City- restart after routine maintenance. > Wouldn't they just pass the cost on to us? Probably! But what is worse is that the government has become addicted to the tax revenue. As the nation's auto fleet switches to more fuel-efficient vehicles- an expected result of high fuel prices, like in the 70's- they will increase the per gallon tax to maintain the revenue from fewer gallons sold. Further, inflation demands that the government revenues increase, not just hold the line- so we have a double whammy here that promises to double the fuel tax in short order. IMHO, the increase in gas prices serves two facets of the Liberal hidden agenda: Lining pockets and bank accounts of the already wealthy at the expense of the common man, and enforcing the Kyoto Protocol on the USA. (An aside- the exemption of China from Kyoto serves the first item above.) My alternative: a crash program of building nuke plants, and developing cold fusion. All the pieces are here today for the next Einstein to deduce how Pons and Fleishmann's device works. The key was when I read a peer-reviewed journal article demonstrating the formation of plasma-state matter in collapsing bubbles at the electrodes of an electrolytic cell. Nuke power would solve many of our problems; economic, social, and political. It would also destroy the profiteering of the oil companies, and reduce the power of those who would enslave us. -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 01:07:09 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Apr 13 18:07:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Gasoline pricing [WAS: Antibacterial mustard?] In-Reply-To: <003c01c54085$e05c4aa0$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Apr 13, 2005 08:06:56 PM Message-ID: <20050414010709.69378.qmail@mall-net.com> > Well, with a crude oil price of $57 per 42 gal bbl, this makes the crude > price about $1.37 per gallon. Conversion cost is ~.10, transport adds > .05-.20 (depending on destination). Also, the additives actually reduce = > the cost slightly, as ethanol costs about $0.80 per gallon. So let's say = > that full product cost is $1.60, delivered.= > And I paid $2.669 yesterday, 2.559 elsewhere this morning. > To that delivered price, add anywhere from .30-.60 for taxes (Higher in = > CA). So your pump price of almost $2.70 includes ~.50 in clear profit. Most > retailers make only 1-3 cents per gallon (they use it only as a draw to = > sell beer and cigarettes inside); the lion's share of the profit goes to the > refiner and distributor. Adding new meaning to the phrase death and taxes. > I've already seen a switch to using lower grades. At the corner store = > where I work part time, we sell 6000-7000 gallons per week. In January, we = > sold ~1200 gallons of 91 octane per week; last week, only 96 gallons were = > sold. But the aggregate total gallons sold has changed little. Ben Wattenberg, science talk show host on KGO, has been saying for years that the premium versions are a rip-off. If your car does not ping, use regular. > IMHO, the increase in gas prices serves two facets of the Liberal hidden > agenda: Lining pockets and bank accounts of the already wealthy at the > expense of the common man, and enforcing the Kyoto Protocol on the USA. = > (An aside- the exemption of China from Kyoto serves the first item above.) Ah... we buy from china and feed their military... which wants to take over Taiwan and the rest of Asia. > My alternative: a crash program of building nuke plants, and developing = > cold fusion. All the pieces are here today for the next Einstein to deduce = > how Pons and Fleishmann's device works. The key was when I read a = > peer-reviewed > journal article demonstrating the formation of plasma-state matter in > collapsing bubbles at the electrodes of an electrolytic cell. YES!!! > Nuke power would solve many of our problems; economic, social, and > political. It would also destroy the profiteering of the oil companies, = > and reduce the power of those who would enslave us. The biggest brake on our economy today, is energy costs! Not just in terms of direct cost, but also in terms of reducing the mixing of people who might visit each other, try things, buy things, etc. What's it take to really play with either cold fusion, or bubble-fusion, (Bold fusion?) Can we calorimetrically prove that bubble fusion adds more than the energy put in??? -J- (javilk@mall-net.com) ---------------------------------- You can't get anywhere without making errorz. But do try to keep them cheap... From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 01:56:28 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Apr 13 18:56:30 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: More various topics. In-Reply-To: <20050413231535.2409.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Apr 13, 2005 11:15:35 PM Message-ID: <20050414015628.21658.qmail@mall-net.com> > > I assume that there are probably industries built around such a concept now, today. > > Although I don't have the time at the moment, to look into it, in depth, to find out > > what the type of industry is called, and what the extent of its benefit it is, to this > > country, and to the world. > > This country is also way behind the times, for a maglev monorail, national speed > > train system, to replace Amtrak. > > Yes we are. But... would it return the investment? Trucks are > cheaper, go more places, and don't have to be unloaded from the trains > into the trucks. Now that I am awake again... It is intersting for ALL of us to look at the history of the IBM PC -- the dynamics, finances, and advertising pitches involved. It is not just important for the PC, it is even more an example of how WE can make a difference in this world! (In 1982, I was involved at IBM in the evaluation of PCs for internal use.) (This is partly excerpted from something I wrote last fall in my personal journal.) When the PC was introduced in 1992, it cost around $5,000 for the equivalent of a quarter of an IBM 360. Mainframes were way past that, but I used the 360, so it's a "foot" measurement for me. Today, we've gone about "two miles" vs the "quarter foot" PC. And what the PC did, was set a direction -- Personal (corporate, but on-person) Computing. The equivalent cost of mainframe computing was lower by a factor of over 50 percent OR MORE. It made very little financial sense to buy PC's then! So why did it catch on? Corporate computer use had reached a limit more fundamental than the rate of growth in computational power -- Upper Management Inertia! By the time a corporation could decide to cough up a million or two for a mainframe computer, which might take half a year to a year and a half of departmental meetings, etc. By the time a machine was in place, the computational demand was already far beyond the quantity delivered. Many of those IBM computer terminals had a stack of magazines next to them, a stack much like that found by some toilets! For the same reason! In contrast to mainframes, the PC was priced to fit a departmental budget, to fit a department head's decision authority. No corporate wide studies, no corporate wide agreements needed. When a manager needed another PC for a new worker or three, his department ordered one. The PC based worker was productive that week. But the price of all those PCs added up much, much higher than the price of a mainframe. And the computing power was mostly wasted waiting for keystrokes or just sitting idle. (And for the most part, still is!) Time saved getting a PC vs a main frame: half to one man-year. So from the start, the PC movement sold itself as enhancing the decision making power of the corporate man. Unlike Apple Computer's landmark "1984" ad in which a female athlete throws a hammer, smashing the grim gray image of Big Brother / corporation; IBM's comic "Modern Times" Chaplin character sold the man using the PC to management by showing any idiot with a PC can be trusted to make sound business judgments. The double message also told the man (and woman) to 'get a PC, and you'll be taken more seriously.'

In short, IBM saw the customer. All Apple seemed to sell, was a fancy etch-a-sketch with a keyboard and called it "Creativity", "Think Different" was one of the slogans. Molloy ("Dress for Success") said that women's business suits, a rarity before the mid 80's, took off at just about that time. IBM history site: http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/ What does that have to do with new clear fusion, power, etc? EVERYTHING! Who's able to do the most research on any phenomenon, corporations, or mad scientists? Whenever a PERSON can afford the key equipment necessary to do research, it is the PERSONAL SCIENTIST, aka Mad Scientist, who creates progress! That is what happened in the PC field before IBM fielded a personal computer. We hobbyists were soldering together Intel 8080 microprocessor machines. We developed the first set of business small machine software. Some of us who saw what was happening managed to surf the huge financial waves rippling out of the PC to great wealth. Others... ah well... I had the Web idea in 1982. I just didn't understand how to sell it. The biggest idiots on the block in the 1980's were the telephone company. They jumped on the PC band wagon by selling a Unix PC. That was a good idea, but... Think of what they could have reaped if they had set things up so your computer could tell if a call was coming for it, or for you. A modem based web in which just about every web page earned Ma Bell and her sisters a nickle! It was almost, almost possible then, because at that time, you could hear the party at the other end between rings if you picked up the signal capacitively. (Which was the basis of the so-called "Black Box", the phone phreak in-WATS line. Thus, all that would be required, is a modem that sent tone on calling, rather than on answering, and a modem on the other end that listened capacitively to decide whether to answer based on whether there was a modem tone between ring signals. Why would they think of this? Because by the late 70's, more calls were being generated by computers than people -- Credit card verification transactions! Look outside the box, folks! -J- Javilk@Mall-Net.com --------- Windows bound views, but ---------- -- A command line prompts the imagination! -- -- ...and X-Windows lets you have several. -- From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Apr 13 22:22:05 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Apr 13 19:22:22 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Cold fusion [WAS: RE: Gasoline pricing] In-Reply-To: <20050414010709.69378.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <005201c54098$c0766b40$6401a8c0@mikey> > From: javilk@mall-net.com [mailto:javilk@mall-net.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:07 PM > What's it take to really play with either cold fusion, or > bubble-fusion, (Bold fusion?) Can we calorimetrically prove that bubble > fusion adds more than the energy put in??? This has already been demonstrated calorimetrically. See Pons and Fleishmann's article in _J Electrochem_. Unfortunately, the cost of the sacrificial tungsten/platinum/palladium electrodes makes it economically non-viable for commercial nrg production. The "nano-detonations" destroy the expensive electrodes. Overcome this, and we have an economically viable source of fusion nrg. In fact, the Pons/Fleishmann cell has been reproduced many times, even for high school science fairs! However, the recent discovery of plasma in collapsing cavitations of electrochemical cells gives us a good lead to follow in order to deduce the mechanism. Pons and Fleischmann theorized that the fusion occurred in the Pt crystal matrix- I think it occurs in the collapsing bubbles of hydrogen/deuterium generated by electrolytic action. It's late; I have a sore throat, cold, and laryngitis tonight- I've one more post to make to another list, and then I'm taking some vitamin C and headed for bed. I'll post some links to this research tomorrow. > -J- (javilk@mall-net.com) ---------------------------------- > You can't get anywhere without making errorz. > But do try to keep them cheap... That's why we have labs! -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 06:14:48 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Apr 13 23:14:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Robots rode Camels in Arabia! In-Reply-To: <20050414015628.21658.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Apr 14, 2005 01:56:28 AM Message-ID: <20050414061448.83484.qmail@mall-net.com> To make camel racing safer... robots are replacing camel young jockeys in races. The remote control robot jockeys are expected to cost $5,000 each, and are a direct result of the UAE Camel Racing Association ban on under 16 year old jockeys. More: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7251 (And they call us mad?) -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 06:40:32 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Apr 14 06:40:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I will be changing my political affiliation, to the Constitution Party. Message-ID: <20050414134032.29988.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> To those concerned, I have made a final decision that I will be changing my political affiliation to the Constitution Party. I have been an Independent for over two years now, and have not been truly independent. The dumbass sheeple of this country are screwing this country up, as equally as ALL of the worthless politicians: ALL POLITICIANS! Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050414/ce601baf/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 06:56:41 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Apr 14 06:56:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this country? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414135642.13800.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> clyde lofton wrote: This is an e-mail that I typed up yesterday, to the Institute Of Ecolonomics. Seems that they have gone out of business. Clyde Is there any hope for the future of this country? I have no love for Bush Jr., Kerry, Clinton, or Bush Sr., Saddam Hussein, or Osama Laden. They have all worked at f-----g this country up. I have done some reading today of Thomas Jefferson quotes, and I am feeling that this country needs drastic, peaceful change(s); whether change(s) will happen peacefully, now, I am feeling doubtful. 1st: Drastic moral revival. 2nd: Drastic change(s) in the energy infrastructure. I support the works of you all, and I support the works of Dr. Steven Greer, and The Disclosure Project, and Space Energy Access Systems. I haven't looked lately at what the current happenings are, with the New Energy Movement, because the last time that I looked, there was nothing happening with that, at all. I have lost my faith and hope, in the people, and of the politicians of this now screwed up country. Also, I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but the definition of the word: environment, means the exact same, as: imprisonment, enprisonment, enfencement, and encagement, etc., and I feel that we the people need to focus on using the word: ecology, to replace the word: environment, in our vocabularies, because the word: environment seems to me to be used wrongly. Correct me if I am mistaken. Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050414/2e9e1f47/attachment.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 10:10:06 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Thu Apr 14 10:10:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this country? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414171006.50453.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, 1.) define "moral." one of the things that jefferson seems to have held with was a quote "if it does not break my arm, nor pick my pocket, what do I care?" (liberties have been taken with the exact quote...) I believe that the strongest force in this country, is its incredible diversity. what set of morals shall we revive? 2.) while this country's "leaders" seem to be unable to see daylight, there are many groups which are pursuing their own energy projects. Home Power magazine seems to be a banner periodical for these folks. 3.) IMHO, the modern prison system is a metastazed carry-over from the southern plantations. bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > > clyde lofton wrote: > This is an e-mail that I typed up > yesterday, to the Institute Of > Ecolonomics. > Seems that they have gone out > of business. > > Clyde > > > Is there any hope for the future of this > country? > I have no love for Bush Jr., Kerry, > Clinton, or Bush Sr., Saddam > Hussein, or Osama Laden. > They have all worked at f-----g this > country up. > I have done some reading today of > Thomas Jefferson quotes, and I am > feeling that this country needs drastic, > peaceful change(s); whether change(s) > will happen peacefully, now, I am > feeling doubtful. > 1st: Drastic moral revival. > 2nd: Drastic change(s) in the energy > infrastructure. > I support the works of you all, and I > support the works of Dr. Steven Greer, > and The Disclosure Project, and Space > Energy Access Systems. > I haven't looked lately at what the > current happenings are, with the New > Energy Movement, because the last > time that I looked, there was nothing > happening with that, at all. > I have lost my faith and hope, in the > people, and of the politicians of this > now screwed up country. > Also, I don't want to step on anyone's > toes, but the definition of the word: > environment, means the exact same, > as: imprisonment, enprisonment, > enfencement, and encagement, etc., > and I feel that we the people need to > focus on using the word: ecology, to > replace the word: environment, in our > vocabularies, because the word: > environment seems to me to be used > wrongly. > Correct me if I am mistaken. > > Clyde Lofton > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 10:45:26 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Apr 14 10:45:34 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this country? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414174526.60211.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Robert Juliano wrote: Clyde, 1.) define "moral." one of the things that jefferson seems to have held with was a quote "if it does not break my arm, nor pick my pocket, what do I care?" (liberties have been taken with the exact quote...) Moral: Perfectly chaste. Morality: Perfect chastity. ='s Perfect innocence. I believe that the strongest force in this country, is its incredible diversity. what set of morals shall we revive? As stated above. 2.) while this country's "leaders" seem to be unable to see daylight, there are many groups which are pursuing their own energy projects. Home Power magazine seems to be a banner periodical for these folks. Solar power is weak. Wind power is better. Solar power, and windpower are neither continuous duty, nor efficient. 3.) IMHO, the modern prison system is a metastazed carry-over from the southern plantations. Does this imply that the prison system's mass occupancy, are black's? bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > > clyde lofton wrote: > This is an e-mail that I typed up > yesterday, to the Institute Of > Ecolonomics. > Seems that they have gone out > of business. > > Clyde > > > Is there any hope for the future of this > country? > I have no love for Bush Jr., Kerry, > Clinton, or Bush Sr., Saddam > Hussein, or Osama Laden. > They have all worked at f-----g this > country up. > I have done some reading today of > Thomas Jefferson quotes, and I am > feeling that this country needs drastic, > peaceful change(s); whether change(s) > will happen peacefully, now, I am > feeling doubtful. > 1st: Drastic moral revival. > 2nd: Drastic change(s) in the energy > infrastructure. > I support the works of you all, and I > support the works of Dr. Steven Greer, > and The Disclosure Project, and Space > Energy Access Systems. > I haven't looked lately at what the > current happenings are, with the New > Energy Movement, because the last > time that I looked, there was nothing > happening with that, at all. > I have lost my faith and hope, in the > people, and of the politicians of this > now screwed up country. > Also, I don't want to step on anyone's > toes, but the definition of the word: > environment, means the exact same, > as: imprisonment, enprisonment, > enfencement, and encagement, etc., > and I feel that we the people need to > focus on using the word: ecology, to > replace the word: environment, in our > vocabularies, because the word: > environment seems to me to be used > wrongly. > Correct me if I am mistaken. > > Clyde Lofton > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050414/19f59a1e/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 18:20:54 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 14 11:20:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I will be changing my political affiliation, In-Reply-To: <20050414134032.29988.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 14, 2005 06:40:32 AM Message-ID: <20050414182054.75989.qmail@mall-net.com> > I have made a final decision that I will be > changing my political affiliation to the > Constitution Party. > I have been an Independent for over two > years now, and have not been truly > independent. > The dumbass sheeple of this country > are screwing this country up, as equally > as ALL of the worthless politicians: ALL > POLITICIANS! I'm glad you put it equally on both sides. We want the best politicians money can buy, but we don't pay them enough! So someone else does... Mike, what's your view? -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 11:43:28 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Apr 14 11:43:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Revised weblinks. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414184328.20107.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> To those concerned: I have been an Independent, for approximately two years now, and I will be joining the constitution party now, as well as quite possibly joining in, to the Tulsa militia, if possible. I have had it to way beyond over the top, with this fucked up, dumbass country. The powers that be, are invoking, both civil unrest, and civil war. I now have a fear, whether or not it is justifiable or not, that the Muslim prediction of a massive tsunami destroying the United States as we know it, being very possible, with possible strategic 'planting of' underwater nuclear bombs, at specific places around the United States coasts. The results would be absolutely devastating to the entire nation, and I am fucking mad as hell at the possibility of it actually occuring. I wasn't a gun type of person in the past; only a radio transmitter person, but I have changed my mind. I have now become both a gun advocate, as well as a radio station transmitter advocate. Revised weblinks: http://www.constitution.org/mil/ok/mil_usok.htm http://www.fair.org/index.php http://www.members.aol.com/vftfiles/terror.htm http://www.aci.net/kalliste/okcbomb2.htm http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23167 http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050414/067436f6/attachment-0001.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 11:53:21 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Thu Apr 14 11:53:28 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this country? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414185321.47174.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> I knew that I shouldn't have started this... in for a penny... Clyde, 1.) this country has never been "perfectly chaste." while the puritans had something of a more restricted moral coded in re sexual relations, women could sue their husbands for not performing, and it was accepted as a fact of life that successful men would have a mistress in addition to a wife. I am willing to bet that if this great country of ours were to become "perfectly chaste," we'd fall apart inside of 1 generation. 2a.) in looking at solar and wind power, one should discard the idea of the plant always providing power. Instead, write up the daily power budget, and then figure loads around that. If I can count on at least 120 days (@6 hrs/day) of sunny weather, I can start running the math around that. solar panels are expensive, mirrors aren't. putting the PV panels underneath a pool of water allow the red light to heat the water, which furnishes the hot water (and maybe steam heat, YMMV) for the house. the PV panels can then have the mirrors focusing as many mirrors as you want. this allows a great deal of savings in terms of PV panels. 2b.) wind depends on where you live. 3.) nope. I didn't say that. I *AM* saying that prisons seem to a source of cheap labor for certain companies (northstar, etc), the folks in prison pretty much can't get a break once they are out of prison, the food is nothing to smile about, the guards can be bad as slavers can uncle tom's cabin, and the groups running the prisons are making money hand over fist. I am a special ed teacher. I've worked with "court adjudicated youth" in the past. bad system, bad regulations, and bad breaks for the kids/inmates. Bob, who wouldn't mind all of us getting back to mad science --- clyde lofton wrote: > > > Robert Juliano wrote: > > Clyde, > > 1.) define "moral." one of the things that jefferson > seems to have held with was a quote "if it does not > break my arm, nor pick my pocket, what do I care?" > (liberties have been taken with the exact quote...) > > > Moral: Perfectly chaste. > > Morality: Perfect chastity. > > ='s Perfect innocence. > > > I believe that the strongest force in this country, > is > its incredible diversity. what set of morals shall > we > revive? > > > As stated above. > > > 2.) while this country's "leaders" seem to be unable > to see daylight, there are many groups which are > pursuing their own energy projects. Home Power > magazine seems to be a banner periodical for these > folks. > > > Solar power is weak. > > Wind power is better. > > Solar power, and windpower are neither continuous > duty, nor efficient. > > > 3.) IMHO, the modern prison system is a metastazed > carry-over from the southern plantations. > > > Does this imply that the prison system's mass > occupancy, are black's? > > > bob > > --- clyde lofton wrote: > > > > > > clyde lofton wrote: > > This is an e-mail that I typed up > > yesterday, to the Institute Of > > Ecolonomics. > > Seems that they have gone out > > of business. > > > > Clyde > > > > > > Is there any hope for the future of this > > country? > > I have no love for Bush Jr., Kerry, > > Clinton, or Bush Sr., Saddam > > Hussein, or Osama Laden. > > They have all worked at f-----g this > > country up. > > I have done some reading today of > > Thomas Jefferson quotes, and I am > > feeling that this country needs drastic, > > peaceful change(s); whether change(s) > > will happen peacefully, now, I am > > feeling doubtful. > > 1st: Drastic moral revival. > > 2nd: Drastic change(s) in the energy > > infrastructure. > > I support the works of you all, and I > > support the works of Dr. Steven Greer, > > and The Disclosure Project, and Space > > Energy Access Systems. > > I haven't looked lately at what the > > current happenings are, with the New > > Energy Movement, because the last > > time that I looked, there was nothing > > happening with that, at all. > > I have lost my faith and hope, in the > > people, and of the politicians of this > > now screwed up country. > > Also, I don't want to step on anyone's > > toes, but the definition of the word: > > environment, means the exact same, > > as: imprisonment, enprisonment, > > enfencement, and encagement, etc., > > and I feel that we the people need to > > focus on using the word: ecology, to > > replace the word: environment, in our > > vocabularies, because the word: > > environment seems to me to be used > > wrongly. > > Correct me if I am mistaken. > > > > Clyde Lofton > > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources > site! > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Mad-Scientists mailing list > > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 19:51:34 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 14 12:51:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this In-Reply-To: <20050414135642.13800.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 14, 2005 06:56:41 AM Message-ID: <20050414195134.45376.qmail@mall-net.com> > Is there any hope for the future of this > country? Was there ever any hope for America? I mean, we started out with really dumb people drinking grog and ale as part of their diet, tax evaders and rebels who refused and fought off the assistance of a government that knew a lot more than we did. Heck, our chicken sh*** military didn't even stand and shoot straight, hiding behind rocks and trees during the war; while the right and proper Redcoats formed lines and fired like a precision team! Heck, even the Indians didn't hide behind trees! What a bunch of chickens we were! One of our leaders got involved in a duel, pistols at 20 paces, and was coughting up blood from lung injury most of his life! And the guy who wrote that bald faced lie about all people being equal was in debt all his life! Our monetary system, when we put together a monetary system, was soon in shambles! It gave rise to the "Not worth a Continental!" At that point, the banks were printing their own money. And our health care system consisted of bleeding people (not wallets) and giving them mercury based poisons. No wonder people didn't often live past 40 or 50! We were soon invaded by the greatest world power and Washington was burned to the ground (with the exception of the Patent Office.) We didn't have a chance in hell! Yet we made it. Why? Because of the people. Because the people believed that bald faced lie about all people being equal, because people helped each other more often than cheated each other, because... Because it was The People who decided what to do rather than waiting for some burro-c-rats and aristo-c-rats to permit them to do it! Many of us have a defining moment in our lives, when we discover what America is all about. Mine was the Loma Prieta earthquake of 1989, when The Cypress Structure, a deal-decker highway interchange bridge collapsed on people driving BMW's, Mecedies, and many other rich man's cars. The Cypress Structure ran through the darkest, poorest neighborhood in the entire San Francisco Bay area. These dirt poor and oppressed blacks came swarming out of their hovels, climbed up into the groaning mess of concrete and steel, risking their very lives to save Fellow Americans!!! And kept at it despite the aftershocks which did not stop!!! THAT is America! If that were to happen in Albania, Slovenia, Darfur, just about anywhere else, the poor would be looting those cars and knifing the people trapped in them!!! If that was Japan, as it was after the Kyoto earthquake, we saw the Japanese Military line up, stand at attention waiting to be given the order start trying to save people in the rubble. If that happened in America, the dumb-ass military guy ordering them to stand at attantion would be court martialed, Or shot by his own troops! THAT is MY America!!! And I am one of those Americans who doesn't give a damned about what Law or Order is; WHEN we see what NEEDS to be done, we DO it because we are also the other guy in trouble who needs help! We'll tend to the paper work later, and if there is any problem, we put our faith in a jury of our peers to decide what should have been done, and what to do about it. Because just about all of us are that way! Yes, Mai Lai's, Teapot Dome's, and Enron's happen. Yes, there are evil people in America. But by and large, we do the right thing, and do it from our hearts, because we are all in each other's hearts in America! I've worked on both coasts, consulted to many companies, met many people from all walks of life, met many people from other nations. America is Good in it's heart. > I have no love for Bush Jr., Kerry, > Clinton, or Bush Sr., Saddam > Hussein, or Osama Laden. > They have all worked at f-----g this > country up. And failed at it! > I have done some reading today of > Thomas Jefferson quotes, and I am > feeling that this country needs drastic, > peaceful change(s); whether change(s) > will happen peacefully, now, I am > feeling doubtful. I don't think we need that much change. > 1st: Drastic moral revival. Less than ten percent of our population is amoral. Just look at the venirial disease statistics. We did, however, elect a few bone-heads like Mr. Morality Carter, and Mr. Infidelity Klunkton. Yet Kennedy was far less moral than Klunkton, and the traits that made him immoral seemed to let him face off our biggest enemy in The Cuban Missle Crisis. And later, we elected a dumb-assed actor who showed us that all that counts is what's in the heart. If we set the course with the goodness of our hearts, our minds, and the minds of myriads of others joining us, will make it happen. > 2nd: Drastic change(s) in the energy > infrastructure. Drastic change is an anathema to everyone. Gradual change happens all the time. From 12 mile per gallon gas guzzlers, we went to 30 even 40 mile per gallon cars. Which all things considered, isn't that bad! Though with hybrids and much hotter ceramic engines, we might be able to get closer to 75 - 100 miles per gallon. (The major energy loss in an engine being the radiator.) A lot further to go, to be sure! But we are trying, both in corporations that want to save on their energy bills, and individual inventors. > I support the works of you all, and I > support the works of Dr. Steven Greer, > and The Disclosure Project, and Space > Energy Access Systems. They don't have anything real and useful... yet. Mostly, the have prizes available to those who try and succeed. > I haven't looked lately at what the > current happenings are, with the New > Energy Movement, because the last > time that I looked, there was nothing > happening with that, at all. > I have lost my faith and hope, in the > people, and of the politicians of this > now screwed up country. Just try looking at the news about other nations... > Also, I don't want to step on anyone's > toes, but the definition of the word: > environment, means the exact same, > as: imprisonment, enprisonment, > enfencement, and encagement, etc., The strongest jail is that of the laws of physics. We're still trying to saw through some of the bars; but when we succeed, we see they were bars created by the lack of imagination, ignorance, and misunderstanding, not ultimate physical reality. > and I feel that we the people need to > focus on using the word: ecology, to > replace the word: environment, in our > vocabularies, because the word: > environment seems to me to be used > wrongly. > Correct me if I am mistaken. One point of view. There are others. My parents fled Europe in WW-II. They saw worse, and fought for freedom. Some of my close friends snuck over the border to escape our enemies, came and made a legal life here in America. I still remember one Polish guy's tears of pride and honor when he said he was making parts for American fighter jets. My father too, worked in defense. It wasn't that he was so beaming proud, it was that his heart told him he was in the right place, doing the right thing. And a bunch of guys along with him. That's the America I see. Yes, there are others, thieves, grifters, conmen and murderers. Buy by and large, we get to chose who we want to be. Be the example of what you want to see, and you'll attract others like that. It's not a pride thing, it's not a chin-in-the-air thing. Its an attitude in your heart, an openness and willingness to admit you are not perfict, and just do what you can do to make this nation better. I think one of the best examples I've read about is Ronald Reagan's life. He quietly stepped up to the plate whenever he could, working as a life guard in his youth, saving some 70 - 100 people; protecting others with his presence in some cheap luncheonettes he ate in, acting honorable roles in Hollywood, writing and representing America to Americans in his role as spokesman at General Electric, and later as our president. And he never felt that he was unique; because he knew in his heart that he wasn't, he knew that he was just representing all of us in the light we wanted to see ourselves in; and that by and large we would act that way whenever we had the opportunity. I honestly thing you could exchange Ronald Reagan and Carol Woitila (soon St. John Paul The Great), and you'd see pretty much the same results. Some of the details would have been different, to be sure; but the goals and paths would have lead to the same place. It's up to us to see ourselves in that light, then act the way we would want others to act. We all falter at first. But those who wish, persist and become the great men most of us Americans are. That's what makes America so great, so resilient, so much The Nation of the Future, rather than like all those nations of the past run by men of personal power. And we mad scientists are at the heart of this deal, irreverent of conventional wisdom of our time, experimenting with lots of crazy things, some of which will become the next great thing, like the stupidity of drilling into the ground for crude oil, the madness of commercial incandescent lighting, the total financial irresponsibility of personal automobiles for the masses, the unmarketability of personal computers, and personal web pages... all apparent forms of insantiy which Changed the Entire World! We're really not just mad scientists, we're Mad Americans! As mad as they get! We have a Tommorrow to build. "Damned the Torpedoes, FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!" -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 21:15:04 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 14 14:15:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this In-Reply-To: <20050414185321.47174.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Apr 14, 2005 11:53:21 AM Message-ID: <20050414211504.2862.qmail@mall-net.com> > 1.) this country has never been "perfectly chaste." > while the puritans had something of a more restricted > moral coded in re sexual relations, women could sue We may argue about what degree, but nothing's perfict. > 2a.) in looking at solar and wind power, one should > discard the idea of the plant always providing power. I live on Solar power, but use a generator every day as backup. > 2b.) wind depends on where you live. And I am convinced that half the folks talking about wind are lying through their teeth. I just don't know which half, nor what they use for batteries! > 3.) nope. I didn't say that. I *AM* saying that > prisons seem to a source of cheap labor for certain Prisons are to keep honest people honest, and keep bad people out of the honest people's hair. Usually, the system works. > Bob, who wouldn't mind all of us getting back to mad > science What, you mean this isn't mad politicians? Why should we confine our madness to only one corner of our lives??? -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 14:22:51 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Apr 14 14:22:59 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414212251.36613.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Well, there is the category of political science too! Although I can't say that I am versed at all, in politics. I guess I will go ahead and send the massive list of weblinks, after this e-mail, even though I cannot bring it to a better completion, than what it is presently at. Clyde javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > 1.) this country has never been "perfectly chaste." > while the puritans had something of a more restricted > moral coded in re sexual relations, women could sue We may argue about what degree, but nothing's perfict. > 2a.) in looking at solar and wind power, one should > discard the idea of the plant always providing power. I live on Solar power, but use a generator every day as backup. > 2b.) wind depends on where you live. And I am convinced that half the folks talking about wind are lying through their teeth. I just don't know which half, nor what they use for batteries! > 3.) nope. I didn't say that. I *AM* saying that > prisons seem to a source of cheap labor for certain Prisons are to keep honest people honest, and keep bad people out of the honest people's hair. Usually, the system works. > Bob, who wouldn't mind all of us getting back to mad > science What, you mean this isn't mad politicians? Why should we confine our madness to only one corner of our lives??? -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050414/b4a13ceb/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 14:37:10 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Apr 14 14:37:22 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Thinking about packing up, very minimally, and moving to Fort Collins Colorado. Message-ID: <20050414213710.67847.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> I am thinking about packing up, very minimally, and moving to Fort Collins Colorado, and living there, and leaving the majority of my belongings behind. I am sick of this dumbass fascist corporate state, of Oklahoma; and Tulsa is built also, on an economic and financial sinkhole. This city, and OKC are both rundown cities. This city has one World Trade Tower, built by the same engineer who built the twin towers, in NYC. If Stan Deyo's thoughts about the future might hold accurate, then the Williams Center Tower (Tulsa's lone world trade tower,) will be a future ghost tower, and the people of this dumbass city will have flocked to the suburbs, and to the outskirts, of this old, cursed, petroleum oil empire. I have lost my respect for this fucking city on a sinkhole. Clyde --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050414/154a6fda/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 21:41:52 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 14 14:41:54 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this In-Reply-To: <20050414212251.36613.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 14, 2005 02:22:51 PM Message-ID: <20050414214153.19987.qmail@mall-net.com> > Well, there is the category of political science too! > Although I can't say that I am versed at all, in > politics. > I guess I will go ahead and send the massive list > of weblinks, after this e-mail, even though I cannot > bring it to a better completion, than what it is > presently at. What we ought to do, Clyde, is to post the political aspects somewhere else. Besides, the'yll probably last longer elsewhere as web pages than the transience of e-mail. We really ought to be discussing camel robots, energy sources, etc. a bit more than mere politics. I mean, physics is more real than politics. I still want to know if I can build an osmotic turbine... and how large it is going to have to be to get few watts out of it. -J- Javilk@Mall-Net.com --------- Windows bound views, but ---------- -- A command line prompts the imagination! -- -- ...and X-Windows lets you have several. -- From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 14:49:21 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Apr 14 14:49:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Reminder web addresses: Part One. Message-ID: <20050414214921.44165.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Reminder web addresses: 1. http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6119915 2. http://www.stormingmedia.us/44/4465/A446583.html 3. http://www.floridaplants.com/Store/lotus.htm 4. http://www.lilypons.com 5. http://www.lilypons.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/store/st_main.html?p_catid=4 6. http://www.paradisewatergardens.com 7. http://www2.mailordercentral.com/pwg/ 8. http://www.stillwatergardens.com/ContactUs.html 9. http://www.stillwatergardens.com/lotus.html 10. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/8d4636238add0699.html 11. http://www.allwords.com/word-electroacoustics.html 12. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/8d4636238add0699.html 13. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/029597088X/103-1121533-5528661?v=glance 14. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1932133631/ref=pd_sxp_elt_11/102-4220749-4502528 15. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750617411/102-4220749-4502528 16. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1566373662/ref=pd_sxp_elt_11/102-4220749-4502528 17. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/5bd404f42b0b70cd.html 18. http://www.constructionbook.com/xq/ASP/ProductID.3865/id.402/subID.660/qx/default2.htm 19. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/c456659deb7ccd36a19afeb4da09e526.html 20. http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6119915 21. http://www.constructionbook.com/xq/ASP/ProductID.147/id.454/subID.494/qx/default2.htm 22. http://www.newscientist.com/channel/mech-tech/mg18624931.000 23. http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff12082004.html 24. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/14bbfd82b96449f7.html 25. http://www.muthusrinivasan.g3z.com/i.html 26. http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html 27. http://www.kempinstruments.com 28. http://www.systron.com 29. http://www.tucker.com 30. http://oragenics.com/product_probiotics.php 31. http://www.oragenics.com 32. http://www.cs.usu.edu/~degaris 33. http://clowder.net/hop/tetships/tetships.html 34. http://www.carlton-bates.com 35. http://www.rittal-corp.com 36. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23167 37. http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php 38. http://www.constitution.org/mil/ok/mil_usok.htm 39. http://members.aol.com/Jainster/Quotes/thomas_jefferson_quotes.html 40. http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/ 41. http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeffcont.htm 42. http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Thomas_Jefferson 43. http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/jefferson.htm 44. http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/GravityMotors/photos/index.html 45. http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/GravityMotors/BurtRutan/index.html 46. http://www.amazingpatents.com 47. http://www.emcohighvoltage.com/ 48. http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_info/glossary.html 49. http://web4.automationdirect.com/adc/Home/Home 50. http://spaceweather.com/aurora/gallery_01mar05.htm 51. http://www.auroralchorus.com/natradio.htm 52. http://www.auroralchorus.com/wr3gde.htm#when 53. http://spaceweather.com/glossary/inspire.html 54. http://www.northcountryradio.com 55. http://www.dolphinear.com 56. http://www.lubell.com/ 57. http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jos/jospubs.html 58. http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~unski/FreqW.html 59. http://www.faqs.org/docs/sp/sp-60.html 60. http://www.temcor.com 61. http://www.novalynx.com 62. http://www.intent.com 63. http://www.healthresearchbooks.com 64. http://www.ecmweb.com 65. http://www.schroff.us/home.asp 66. http://www.dewamerica.com/products/ 67. http://www.tenspeed.com/catalog/posters/item.php3?id=1947 68. http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/4264 69. http://www.ramshornjournal.com/Seeds.html 70. http://www.americandissent.net/ 71. http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/12-06-99/vo15no25_dissent.htm 72. http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/cat_index_63.shtml 73. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/5a78fcd492020e7a.html 74. http://142.179.222.23/main.html 75. http://arocket.mid-south.net/arocket1/ 76. http://www.imaginaryplanet.net/weblogs/asiafirst/assets/testfirewall.html 77. http://www.queensryche.com/releases/operation-mindcrime/lyrics/03-revolution-calling.html 78. http://www.lunarsight.com/glossary.htm 79. http://www.scienceforums.net/forums/printthread.php?t=5891 80. http://store.yahoo.com/wickedcoolstuff/underdog.html 81. http://www.lotusland.org/ 82. http://www.coralcastle.com/ 83. http://astro-med.com 84. http://newenergymovement.org/ 85. http://radio4all.org/ (This weblink, and the following weblink do not work. I don't know why they don't work, and it pisses me off. The key phrase sentence, for any search engine is: The micro radio movement.) 86. http://radio4all.org/fp/micro.htm (This weblink does not work. I don't know why in the hell that it does not work, but it doesn't, and it pisses me off. The key phrase sentence, for any search engine is: The micro radio movement.) 87. http://www.cyberresearch.com 88. http://westerngraphtec.com 89. http://bob2641.tripod.com/physics.html 90. http://www.heretical.com/British/mindbend/broad (This website doesn't go to the same webpage that I originally intended for it to go to, but I am going to leave it here anyway.) 100. http://www.google.com/search?orthomolecular+oklahoma (This weblink takes you to Google, with a list of websites, regarding orthomolecular topics, it is one of many weblinks that has been given to me, and I would like to include many of the other weblinks too, but I have just run out of time to be able to do so, this time around.) 101. http://singtech.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050414/785a9041/attachment-0001.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 14:52:58 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Thu Apr 14 14:53:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414215258.37926.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, 1.) I agree with you your question about degree... 2.) as to wind power... well, I know that certain areas in the country can provide quite a bit of power. The folks I've talked to, and the places I've visited that use wind power, usually use either a stack of fancy car batteries, a set of heavy-duty marine batteries, or (in 1 case) a D-I-Y fuel cell. 3.) the justice and prison system (and I'll include the american educational system as a part of it) seems to teach the message of "get the best possible lawyer." few states actually set up laws to watch out for kids, stop the baddies from doing evil, etc. (great, now I sound like a comic book!) I am always willing to indulge in extra madness... as long I I can stay within my wife's guidelines (she's a wetware programmer) Bob --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > We may argue about what degree, but nothing's > perfict. > I live on Solar power, but use a generator every day as backup. > And I am convinced that half the folks talking > about wind are lying > through their teeth. I just don't know which half, > nor what they use > for batteries! > Prisons are to keep honest people honest, and > keep bad people out of > the honest people's hair. > > Usually, the system works. > What, you mean this isn't mad politicians? Why > should we confine > our madness to only one corner of our lives??? > > -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ > www.mall-net.com/javilk > --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- > and You! --------------- > --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to > cancel the show, would we? -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > All rights reserved. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com > http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 15:03:36 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Apr 14 15:03:44 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414220336.77310.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> I'll have to look into osmotic turbines. I've never heard of that type of turbine before. I'd like to build a small scale, redundant, gas turbine powerplant, but I don't know how I would accomplish it, with all of the endlessly expensive fascist communist red tape, of building permits/zoning permits, and building codes, electrical codes, etc. for this residential fascist commune 'park' area, in which I am forced to have to live, not to mention the outlandish expense of maintaining the powerplant facility, and purchasing and maintaining the redundant turbines, and other redundant power control and power monitoring equipment. javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > Well, there is the category of political science too! > Although I can't say that I am versed at all, in > politics. > I guess I will go ahead and send the massive list > of weblinks, after this e-mail, even though I cannot > bring it to a better completion, than what it is > presently at. What we ought to do, Clyde, is to post the political aspects somewhere else. Besides, the'yll probably last longer elsewhere as web pages than the transience of e-mail. We really ought to be discussing camel robots, energy sources, etc. a bit more than mere politics. I mean, physics is more real than politics. I still want to know if I can build an osmotic turbine... and how large it is going to have to be to get few watts out of it. -J- Javilk@Mall-Net.com --------- Windows bound views, but ---------- -- A command line prompts the imagination! -- -- ...and X-Windows lets you have several. -- _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050414/3ea7bd06/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 22:15:24 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 14 15:15:27 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this In-Reply-To: <20050414220336.77310.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 14, 2005 03:03:36 PM Message-ID: <20050414221524.47024.qmail@mall-net.com> (Do try to fix your quoting so we can better see who said what. I realize this may be difficult on a public machine. Your occasional use of upper case only does help, even if not great.) > > I'll have to look into osmotic turbines. > I've never heard of that type of turbine > before. I was joking. Another perpetual energy scheme. > I'd like to build a small scale, redundant, > gas turbine powerplant, but I don't know > how I would accomplish it, with all of the By and large, the cost of electric power from the lines is cheaper and more reliable than what you can generate. I am on solar plus generators, and I hate it! Payback on solar tends to be six to twelve years, unless you are unable to get a local utility. I'm about four miles from the power lines. > endlessly expensive fascist communist > red tape, of building permits/zoning > permits, and building codes, electrical > codes, etc. for this residential fascist > commune 'park' area, in which I am Well, most folks don't want the exhaust gasses. I can't say as I blame them. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you... but when there are too many others, yes, it gets burro-cratic. The scale you'd need to make it cheaper would require a lot of financing, etc. and since you hate money, they'd not likely want you in charge of investing their money; they'd want someone who's had a lot more experience than you or I in running a business. (And I've run several. Not what I'm really good at!) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 15:18:05 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Apr 14 15:18:22 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I want to work for radio station: W.W.V., in Fort Collins. Message-ID: <20050414221805.93171.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> I want to work for radio staion: W.W.V., in Fort Collins; The only problem: I would need an infinite overdose of painkillers, to cope with social stress, around others. I have become very isolative. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050414/ec49f26f/attachment.htm From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Apr 14 18:52:52 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Thu Apr 14 15:53:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: More various topics. Message-ID: In a message dated 4/13/2005 7:16:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: > Also, I read in a book about Nikola Tesla one time, that he invented a ways and means > to extract nitrogen from the atmosphere, to use, for fertilization of the earth ground, > for farming. Seems like only yesterday, I a youngster in North Carolina, met a woman who invited me and friends to her farm. We arrived and spent a wonderful week with this commune that raised all their own food. Wandering about one day I happened on a field covered inside corn plants with huge pot trees, some of them 10 foot in height. Later that day I asked my new friend how she grew these plants so big and healthy. she told me she used the pig manure as it was high in nitrogen and Pot plants thrive on it. > The dust level in this fucking house is nonsense, yet there is nothing that I can > do about it, to correct the problem, because of the bullshit of money. Easy to fix, get an old sock, immerse in water, run the sock over all surfaces covered with dust, rinse in clean water when sock becomes to black to see the actual color of sock. Dust will be gone without any harmful chemicals added to the living space. Repeat once a week and problem solved. > It is easy for me to jump the gun on many things, because of my screwed up neurology > and also due to the wanting time to pass, far faster than what it does in certain > circumstances, to blast past all of life's endless bullshit. My old Boss, a Hindi from Kenya turned 60, when I wished this amazing man Happy Birthday, he looked at me in such a sad way. Vesta, he said, what is to be happy about a birthday, I am just a year closer to my death. Each day you live, regardless of the pain or sorrow, this is a gift that most of us do not deserve. Use each hour wisely, it will never come again. My regards, Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050414/3c43d00e/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 14 23:16:04 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 14 16:16:07 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this In-Reply-To: <20050414215258.37926.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Apr 14, 2005 02:52:58 PM Message-ID: <20050414231604.87477.qmail@mall-net.com> > 2.) as to wind power... well, I know that certain > areas in the country can provide quite a bit of power. > The folks I've talked to, and the places I've visited > that use wind power, usually use either a stack of > fancy car batteries, a set of heavy-duty marine > batteries, or (in 1 case) a D-I-Y fuel cell. I hear the locals, (my being off grid) all talk about how nice their wind power is. Yet on most days when I am putting out solar, I don't see their windmills turning fast enough to generate anything. And they all speak of wind season, soooo.... ah, unless they have something more than golf cart batteries like mine... I don't think it gives them as much of a return on investment as my solar panels. > 3.) the justice and prison system (and I'll include > the american educational system as a part of it) seems > to teach the message of "get the best possible > lawyer." few states actually set up laws to watch out > for kids, stop the baddies from doing evil, etc. > (great, now I sound like a comic book!) Yep. The best education a criminal can get is to go to jail. When they graduate, they are so much better at it. > I am always willing to indulge in extra madness... as > long I I can stay within my wife's guidelines (she's a > wetware programmer) Ah... I had one of them once. But after she tried to cancel me a few times, I escaped. (Long story, short marriage. Fortunately, she was as inept at homicide as everything else she tried. Put up a good act, though.) I keep wondering, the transport of ions being important to electric generation, if there isn't some means of harnessing the movement of ions in water. There was an interesting piece on some ham web site about a guy who harnessed the wind using long wires and a spark coil to charge a battery; but I dont' think he was really getting much in the way of current, just a couple of hours of LED light a day. And everyone reamed him that it wasn't possible at all. I think what he was really doing, was revitalizing or desulphating (and draining) the battery with the sharp spikes of power. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Apr 14 20:03:27 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Thu Apr 14 17:03:39 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this Message-ID: <86.261552b5.2f905ecf@aol.com> In a message dated 4/14/2005 5:15:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: Prisons are to keep honest people honest, and keep bad people out of the honest people's hair. Criminal science is interesting. What is a criminal ? At one time England had to place 20 lb. bags of sand on criminals ankles to hang them for the theft of a loaf of bread. Why the sand bags ? The criminals were only 30 lb. children who stole bread or what not as they had no one to feed them. The Hugnots (spelling?) of France, the French who refused to acknowledge the Pope, had their legs broken with boards before they were hanged. Criminals all of them, right? American Criminals, in the beginning anyone who went and marched to their own drummer was a criminal. Salem Witches, Ha, The church wanted their property best way to get it was to go along with the crazy girls that started the whole thing. O.K. closer to home, how about the 50ies witch hunt for communists. The black lists that destroyed lives and reputation to expose these criminals who were within their American rights to join any political party they chose ? A black time in America, that's for sure. Want to get closer to our time, Nixon with his list of anti-American orgs. Boy and Girl scouts of America !! Today, Grammy is 82, has suffered pain from all the ailments of ageing. Grand kid introduces her to Pot. Granny, who does not want to be placed in the hell hole of nursing home plants a few seed in window pot and grows her own medication that allows he to live in her own home and function as a much younger person. She finds she can now live without pain or disability without the expensive RX meds. Because she is not spending three quarters of her income on RX she now has more money for food and heat in the winter. Here comes the kicker. Are you ready, Granny has worked her ass off all these years, never spent money for vacations, always drove the cheapest car she could buy, worked 10 hours a day to send her two children to college. She has a modest bank amount for all her years of working for her kids future. Her parents left her stock she never touched, worth 500,000 Now Granny is really feeling good, her head is clearer then it ever has been, lack of pain causes her to begin to pay attention to things more. She begins to see that her kids are never around, before she was in pain and Drs. RX didn't help. Now her new home grown has given her, her life back, she revises her out look on things. Granny calls her Att. to change her will. She tells her grand kid who made such a change in her life. This kid goes home, has a fight with parents and tells them that he, not them will inherit. Parent, Grammys child heads right off to visit mother, sees pot plants. At 2 a.m. next morning swart team blasts in on Grammy, seize the pot plants. Grammy ends life in nursing home 6 months later. The charges of manufacturing drugs was dropped due to Grammy not being able to attend court as she was dead. But Grammy died a criminal, by law in the good old USA.. To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050414/749ead4a/attachment-0001.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 17:26:36 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Thu Apr 14 17:26:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050415002637.53092.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> 2.) My wife has family in the white mountains, and up coastal maine. They get wind all the time. other areas don't quite get that 10-15 kt breeze. some areas off cape cod get something like 40 kt on a regular basis. I figure that some combination of the two would work well. 3.) most criminals don't seem to be learning the lessons. (maybe there needs to be rememdial classes in crime?) Vachss called the process "life sentence on the installment program." (they commit a crime, get caught, go to jail, get out, repeat.) Got to be a better way. sorry to hear they someone tried to punch your ticket. I've been with my wife for 16 years. classy lady from wellesley college. Bob --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > 2.) > I hear the locals, (my being off grid) all > talk about how nice their wind power is. Yet on most days when I am putting out solar, I don't see their windmills turning fast enough to generate anything. And they all speak of wind season, soooo.... ah, unless they have something more than golf cart batteries like mine... I don't think it gives them as much of a return on investment as my solar > panels. > > > 3.) Yep. The best education a criminal can get is > to go to jail. When they graduate, they are so much better at it. > > Ah... I had one of them once. But after she > tried to cancel me a few times, I escaped. (Long story, short marriage. Fortunately, she was as inept at homicide as everything else she tried. Put up a good act, though.) > > I keep wondering, the transport of ions being important to electric generation, if there isn't some means of harnessing the movement of ions in water. There was an interesting piece on some ham web site about a guy who harnessed the wind using long wires and a spark coil to charge a battery; but I dont' think he was really getting > much in the way of current, just a couple of hours of LED light a day. And everyone reamed him that it wasn't possible at all. I think what he > was really doing, was revitalizing or desulphating (and draining) the > battery with the sharp spikes of power. > > -javilk- mall-net.com > ------------------- IMAGINEERING > -------------------- > --------------- Every click, a vote. > ---------------- > ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? > ---- > -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, > Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 17:29:40 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Thu Apr 14 17:29:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050415002940.40938.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> By definition, a criminal is someone who is breaking the law. those that make the laws - with all the suffering these laws cause - are, of course, the opposite of criminals. tired bob --- Vesta111@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/14/2005 5:15:28 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > javilk@mall-net.com writes: > > Prisons are to keep honest people honest, and keep > bad people out of > the honest people's hair. > > > Criminal science is interesting. What is a criminal > ? At one time England > had to place 20 lb. bags of sand on criminals ankles > to hang them for the > theft of a loaf of bread. Why the sand bags ? The > criminals were only 30 lb. > children who stole bread or what not as they had no > one to feed them. > > The Hugnots (spelling?) of France, the French who > refused to acknowledge the > Pope, had their legs broken with boards before they > were hanged. Criminals > all of them, right? > > American Criminals, in the beginning anyone who > went and marched to > their own drummer was a criminal. Salem Witches, Ha, > The church wanted their > property best way to get it was to go along with the > crazy girls that started > the whole thing. > > O.K. closer to home, how about the 50ies witch hunt > for communists. The > black lists that destroyed lives and reputation to > expose these criminals who > were within their American rights to join any > political party they chose ? A > black time in America, that's for sure. > > Want to get closer to our time, Nixon with his list > of anti-American orgs. > Boy and Girl scouts of America !! > > Today, Grammy is 82, has suffered pain from all the > ailments of ageing. > Grand kid introduces her to Pot. Granny, who does > not want to be placed in the > hell hole of nursing home plants a few seed in > window pot and grows her own > medication that allows he to live in her own home > and function as a much > younger person. She finds she can now live without > pain or disability without the > expensive RX meds. Because she is not spending three > quarters of her income > on RX she now has more money for food and heat in > the winter. > > Here comes the kicker. Are you ready, Granny has > worked her ass off all > these years, never spent money for vacations, always > drove the cheapest car she > could buy, worked 10 hours a day to send her two > children to college. She > has a modest bank amount for all her years of > working for her kids future. Her > parents left her stock she never touched, worth > 500,000 > > Now Granny is really feeling good, her head is > clearer then it ever has > been, lack of pain causes her to begin to pay > attention to things more. She > begins to see that her kids are never around, before > she was in pain and Drs. RX > didn't help. Now her new home grown has given her, > her life back, she revises > her out look on things. > > Granny calls her Att. to change her will. She tells > her grand kid who made > such a change in her life. This kid goes home, has a > fight with parents and > tells them that he, not them will inherit. Parent, > Grammys child heads right > off to visit mother, sees pot plants. > > At 2 a.m. next morning swart team blasts in on > Grammy, seize the pot plants. > Grammy ends life in nursing home 6 months later. The > charges of > manufacturing drugs was dropped due to Grammy not > being able to attend court as she was > dead. But Grammy died a criminal, by law in the > good old USA.. > > > To know someone well, you must see what makes make > them angry. > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 17:35:55 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Thu Apr 14 17:36:03 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is there any hope for the future of this In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050415003556.21724.qmail@web51906.mail.yahoo.com> javilk, 1.) using concentrator mirrors to trick the PV panel into "thinking" the sun was stronger than it actually is, might save some initial outlay for the solar panels. the problem would be that the concentrator mirrors would also focus heat. running a thin aquarium of some sort in between the PV panel and the input of the concentrated rays could act as a water heater/PV heatshield. 2.) the gas turbine could have the exhaust forced through a "water pipe." this could take the carbon monoxide, mix it with the water, and have hydrogen to use as power, blimp lifting gas, toys for lab assistants, etc. the nasty water left over could be used as feed stock for other experiments. Bob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 17:39:30 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Apr 14 17:39:38 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Expanded) Thinking about packing up, very minimally, and moving to Fort Collins Colorado. Message-ID: <20050415003930.32844.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> This perpetual half assed shitty city, built formerly on a black hole, now built on a permanent sinkhole, with a permanent crutch (foreign oil,) to support its crap ass infrastructure: http://www.osu-ours.okstate.edu/report01/tulsa/aerialview.jpg I no longer love this city. Clyde I am thinking about packing up, very minimally, and moving to Fort Collins Colorado, and living there, and leaving the majority of my belongings behind. I am sick of this dumbass fascist corporate state, of Oklahoma; and Tulsa is built also, on an economic and financial sinkhole. This city, and OKC are both rundown cities. This city has one World Trade Tower, built by the same engineer who built the twin towers, in NYC. If Stan Deyo's thoughts about the future might hold accurate, then the Williams Center Tower (Tulsa's lone world trade tower,) will be a future ghost tower, and the people of this dumbass city will have flocked to the suburbs, and to the outskirts, of this old, cursed, petroleum oil empire. I have lost my respect for this fucking city on a sinkhole. Clyde --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mary Ruwart is asked how we can protect children from offensive material in a libertarian society, and if speaking out for liberty is worth all the trouble..... Harry Browne's Soundbites for Liberty: government "solutions" to social problems, what about the poor, and the issue of greed..... All this and *much much more* in the world's largest-circulation libertarian publication... THE LIBERATOR ONLINE April 13, 2005 Vol. 10, No. 7 Circulation: 68,777 subscribers in over 100 countries Published by the Advocates for Self-Government Edited by James W. Harris, mailto:james@TheAdvocates.org Created by Paul Schmidt and James W. Harris ___________________________________________ "The Advocates makes invaluable contributions to the freedom cause. For twenty years the Advocates has worked tirelessly to help libertarians better communicate the ideas of liberty. 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It begins with Plato, Beetle Bailey's brainy philosophically-inclined G.I. buddy, asking Beetle: "Can I borrow another marker from you?" "Sure," says Beetle, handing him a marker pen. Beetle then watches as Plato goes from one wall to another, scribbling out a graffiti-style manifesto that could have come right out of Ayn Rand or Ludwig von Mises: "Communism failed because it was against human nature. People want to be rewarded for their work. They want to *own* what they *earn*. "You can call it selfish if you want, but "self" is the center of the universe. Even giving voluntarily to others is "selfish" in a way because you "get" a good feeling in return. "Dictators take power promising to help the people but soon are only helping themselves. There's a bit of the dictator even among elected officials who use their powers for their own interests. "Maybe the best system is to keep turning our officials *over* before they turn on *you*. Too long in power allows too many opportunities for corruption. "People are more productive with fewer laws and restrictions. Even good laws have flaws and room should be left for exceptions, because everyone is different with individual needs." Suddenly gruff old Sarge interrupts Plato. "Are you through?!" Sarge growls. Unfazed, Plato responds: "Well, there are several walls left, and I'm still on a role." Let's hope so! (Source: "Beetle Bailey," April 3 2005. See the strip here: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/beetlebailey.asp?date=20050403 ) * * * Pull the Plug on PBS "The Public Broadcasting Service [PBS] is collapsing of its own weight. While PBS executives and Washington politicians wring their hands over the network's inevitable demise, we believe there is a simple solution. Let it collapse. "Last week PBS President Pat Mitchell lobbied Congress for more money, and Republicans on Capitol Hill floated ideas for keeping the increasingly irrelevant corporation alive. No one seems to be asking this simple question: In a world in which 85 percent of Americans pay for either cable or satellite television, and with educational videos available in shopping malls and Wal-Marts nationwide, what possible justification can there be for a publicly subsidized television network? "Every excuse for forcing Americans to pay for a television network has been exhausted. Educational and arts programs are widely available elsewhere. C-SPAN does a better job of informing Americans about government than PBS ever dreamed of doing. PBS news shows are drowned out by a cacophony of competitors who deliver news as well or better. What's left? Reruns of British sitcoms? Simply put, PBS has no mission that cannot be realized either in the for-profit sector or by converting the network to a private non-profit foundation." -- New Hampshire Union-Leader editorial, February 22, 2005. (Source: editorial archived [for-pay access only] at: http://www.theunionleader.com/ ) * * * U.S. Congressman Ron Paul: "Who's Better Off?" (The following is excerpted from a much longer speech delivered before the U.S. House of Representatives on April 6 by the great libertarian Congressman Ron Paul, R-TX.) Whenever the administration is challenged regarding the success of the Iraq war, or regarding the false information used to justify the war, the retort is: "Aren't the people of Iraq better off?" The insinuation is that anyone who expresses any reservations about supporting the war is an apologist for Saddam Hussein and every ruthless act he ever committed. How much better off are the Iraqi people? Hundreds of thousands of former inhabitants of Fallajah are not better off with their city flattened and their homes destroyed. Hundreds of thousands are not better off living with foreign soldiers patrolling their street, curfews, and the loss of basic utilities. One hundred thousand dead Iraqis, as estimated by the Lancet Medical Journal, certainly are not better off. One question the war promoters don't want to hear asked, because they don't want to face up to the answer, is this: "Are Christian Iraqis better off today since we decided to build a new Iraq through force of arms?" The answer is plainly no. Sure, there are only 800,000 Christians living in Iraq, but under Saddam Hussein they were free to practice their religion. Today, the Christian churches in Iraq are under attack and Christians are no longer safe. Many Christians have been forced to flee Iraq and migrate to Syria. But there's another question that is equally important: "Are the American people better off because of the Iraq war?" One thing for sure, the 1,500 plus dead American soldiers aren't better off. The nearly 20,000 severely injured or sickened American troops are not better off. The families, the wives, the husbands, children, parents, and friends of those who lost so much are not better off. The families and the 40,000 troops who were forced to re-enlist against their will -- a de facto draft -- are not feeling better off. They believe they have been deceived by their enlistment agreements. The American taxpayers are not better off having spent over 200 billion dollars to pursue this war, with billions yet to be spent. The victims of the inflation that always accompanies a guns-and-butter policy are already getting a dose of what will become much worse. Are our relationships with the rest of the world better off? I'd say no. Because of the war, our alliances with the Europeans are weaker than ever. The anti-American hatred among a growing number of Muslims around the world is greater than ever. This makes terrorist attacks more likely than they were before the invasion. Al Qaeda recruiting has accelerated. Iraq is being used as a training ground for al Qaeda terrorists, which it never was under Hussein's rule. One of the most significant consequences in times of war that we ought to be concerned about is the inevitable loss of personal liberty. This willingness to give up hard-fought personal liberties has been especially noticeable in the atmosphere of the post-September 11th war on terrorism. Security has replaced liberty as our main political goal, damaging the American spirit. These attitudes and fears surrounding the 9-11 tragedy, and our eagerness to go to war in the Middle East against countries not responsible for the attacks, have allowed a callousness to develop in our national psyche that justifies torture and rejects due process of law for those who are suspects and not convicted criminals. We have come to accept pre-emptive war as necessary, constitutional, and morally justifiable. Starting a war without a proper declaration is now of no concern to most Americans or the U.S. Congress. We have lost our way by rejecting the beliefs that made our country great. We no longer trust in trade, friendship, peace, the Constitution, and the principle of neutrality while avoiding entangling alliances with the rest of the world. Spreading the message of hope and freedom by setting an example for the world has been replaced by a belief that use of armed might is the only practical tool to influence the world -- and we have accepted, as the only superpower, the principle of initiating war against others. (Source: You can read the full speech by Congressman Paul at: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2005/cr040605.htm You can read more by Congressman Paul at his Web site, Project Freedom: http://www.house.gov/paul/ ) * * * "No nation could preserve its freedom..." "Of all enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debt and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. "In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended. Its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds are added to those of subduing the force of the people. The same malignant aspect may be traced in the inequality of fortunes and the opportunities of fraud growing out of a state of war ... and in the degeneracy of manners and morals engendered by both. "No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." -- James Madison (1751-1836), known as "the Father of the Constitution" and fourth president of the United States (1908-1817), writing in 1795. * * * * * * * * "Good News, Bad News, Unbelievable News" is written by Liberator Online editor James W. Harris. His articles have appeared in numerous magazines and newspapers, and he has been a Finalist for the Mencken Award, given by the Free Press Association for "Outstanding Journalism in Support of Liberty." _____________________________________ PERSUASION POWER POINT # 178 Four Minutes to Better Libertarian Conversations by Michael Cloud You just had a lively political conversation with a non-libertarian. You made some good points, but you blew a few. Even a few really obvious things. Later, you think of what you could have said. What you should have said. If only you had thought of this during the conversation. If only you had said that. And it bothers you. How many times has that happened to you? A dozen times? A hundred? It happens to every libertarian. Scholars. Writers. Spokespeople. Candidates. You can radically reduce the number of times you make these kinds of mistakes. You're only four minutes from better libertarian conversations. Where do we find the solution? Football. Professional football coaching staffs videotape their games. Every play. Wide shots and close ups. Afterwards, they carefully review every play -- and every player's performance. They identify and note what each player did right and what he did wrong. They show each player what he did well. His best plays and performance. They "catch him doing something right." And they show him when he did something wrong. But when they go over the errors and blown assignments with a play, they point out what he should have done instead. They have him mentally practice the move he should have made. Later, they physically practice. They don't beat him down with, "If only you had done this, we would have scored," or, "If only you'd have done that, we would have won." "If only" creates frustration and guilt and regret. "If only" holds you back. So football coaching staffs focus on "next time." Next time creates possibility and progress. Improvement. "Next time, do it this way." "Next time, do it that way." This is one reason why professional football players consistently perform well. Why they excel. Here's how to use this approach with your conversations with non-libertarians. 1. Review what you said and how you said it. 2. Identify what you did right and wrong. What you did well and what you did poorly. What you did say and what you didn't. 3. Focus on successes first. "Catch yourself doing something right," as The One Minute Manager advises. Acknowledge yourself for doing it. Let yourself feel good about it. Write your successes down. 4. Then go over what you said wrong, what you said poorly, and what you failed to say. Write them down. 5. Next to each error, write down a better answer or statement. The one you wish you had thought of during the conversation. Better yet, write down 2 or 3 better answers. 6. Rehearse the answer aloud. Several times. Say it with feeling. Say it the way that you want to say it -- next time. Because there will be a next time. And you will be ready. How long does it take to review your conversational "game films," and carry out the 6 steps. Just 4 minutes. It's fast, easy, and fun. And it works. Try it. You'll feel better and do better in all your libertarian conversations. ****************** Michael Cloud was voted the Most Persuasive Libertarian Communicator in America and honored with the Thomas Paine Award at the Libertarian Party national convention in July 2000. Michael is author of the acclaimed new book "Secrets of Libertarian Persuasion" available exclusively from the Advocates. http://www.theadvocates.org/Merchant2/merchant.mv ____________________________________ ASK DR. RUWART Dr. Mary Ruwart is a leading expert in libertarian communication. In this column she gives readers "short answers to the tough questions" that libertarians are frequently asked. Dr. Ruwart's past Liberator Online answers are archived in searchable form at: http://www.TheAdvocates.org/ruwart/categories_list.php * * * How can we protect our children without government censorship? Question: "Without censorship, how can a libertarian society ensure decency in broadcasting and publishing? How can we protect our children fromsmut without censorship?" My short answer: "In a libertarian society, parents could limit their children's access to 'family-oriented' stations and bookstores. In my community, broadcasters attract a loyal following by promising parents that both programming and advertising are wholesome. I'd anticipate that the number of such stations and bookstores would increase in a libertarian society because parents like yourself would create a strong market. "My parents used such monitoring to limit our exposure to violence, which my parents considered more pornographic than sex. Their success, in a culture where violence in media is so pervasive, was partially due to producers, such as Disney, who dedicated themselves to wholesome entertainment. Parental guidance succeeds even when the culture itself sets no limits. "In a libertarian world of school choice and greater prosperity, parents will also have far more ability to choose schools that closely reflect and protect their values -- or more opportunities to pursue homeschooling. "As you probably know, when we ask our government to censor what our children see, they soon try to censor what *we* see -- always for our own good, of course!" * * * Is spreading libertarian ideas worth the trouble? Question: "I recently called a talk show to discuss a deceptive local government program, and I was surprised to receive a cool response from the host. He said I was too 'negative.' Similarly, an old friend of mine published an article criticizing the government, and he received all sorts of hostility -- in his words, he was 'battered.' Is it worth receiving this sort of hostility for arguably little or no gain?" My short answer: "Only you can decide if the gain is worth the pain. "One of my favorite quotes on this subject comes from the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer, who famously said: 'All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Secondly, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.' "It sounds as if you are getting the 'violently opposed' feedback. "Most of us have to hear things several times before we can really appreciate them. Your efforts, even if spurned, clear the way for the next libertarian spokesperson." "And also remember, every effort you make to effectively communicate libertarian ideas gives you a chance to sharpen your skills and make your future efforts more successful." * * * * * * * * * * * * * Got questions? Dr. Ruwart has answers! If you'd like answers to YOUR "tough questions" on libertarian issues, just email to Dr. Ruwart at: mailto:ruwart@theAdvocates.org Due to volume, Dr. Ruwart can't personally acknowledge all emails. But we'll run the best questions and answers in upcoming issues. Dr. Ruwart's outstanding books "Healing Our World" and "Short Answers to the Tough Questions" are available from the Advocates: http://www.TheAdvocates.org/Merchant2/merchant.mv _____________________________________ HARRY BROWNE'S SOUNDBITES FOR LIBERTY During his two Libertarian Party presidential campaigns (1996 and 2000), Harry Browne created hundreds of "soundbites" -- short, pithy, and highly memorable answers to the questions libertarians are most frequently asked by the media and the public. In each issue we'll be sharing some of the best and most relevant. Enjoy -- and put them to use for liberty! * * * Solving social problems: "Social reformers and crime-busters try to explain away the destruction of our freedom and civil liberties by saying these losses are the price we pay to create a better world, a better nation, or a better community. 'After all, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.' But, somehow, it's always someone else's eggs that get broken -- never theirs. And the omelet never materializes -- only cracked shells and broken lives." * * * What about the poor: "What will happen to the poor in a free society? They will finally be taken care of. Repealing the income and Social Security taxes will leave a trillion dollars a year in the economy that is currently being sucked out by those taxes. That will buy a job for everyone who can work, and charity for everyone who can't work." * * * Greed: "Is it greedy to want to keep the money you've earned -- to spend it on your own children, to secure your own future and retirement so you won't be a burden on others, to buy a home of your own, to provide your family with the things that make life more enjoyable? Or is it greedy to want something for nothing -- to want the government to confiscate money from those who have earned it and give it to you or to your pet social project? Greed is wanting the government to force other people to conform to your desires, to outlaw your competitors, to remake the world in your image because you think you know more than everyone else." * * * * * * * * * * Harry Browne was 1996 and 2000 Libertarian Party presidential candidate. He is the author of a dozen books that have sold over two million copies, including three New York Times bestsellers. Browne's newest book "Liberty A to Z: 872 Libertarian Soundbites You Can Use Right Now" is a treasury of soundbites like those in this column. It's published by the Advocates, and you can get it at our Liberty Store: http://www.theadvocates.org/Merchant2/merchant.mv _____________________________________ PRODUCT REVIEW: "Two for One" special! THE CONCISE GUIDE TO ECONOMICS by Jim Cox. Large format paperback, 167 pages. Second edition with six new chapters. PLUS: FREE copy of legendary classic libertarian book! 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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 20:10:47 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Apr 14 20:11:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk, you mentioned the existance of ceramic engines Message-ID: <20050415031048.75301.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, You mentioned the existance of ceramic engines in one of your responses, earlier. I did a web search last week, but came up empty in my search, in looking to see if ceramic electric motors exist. Have you ever known of any ceramic (high efficiency) electric motors before??? Is there such, in existance??? Hope everyone out there, likes the weblinks that I posted, although three of the last few, are worthless; the two microradio links, and the Google link, but I ran out of time today, to revise that bullshit out of the list. I also apologize for my major pessimism too. I just think that I will never figure out the subject of financial freedom, in order to carry out all of the endless hands on projects that I want to accomplish, and take these mad science dreams and goals to their absolute limits; To infinity and beyond!!! To absolute and beyond!!! Clyde --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050414/ce38d1e8/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 15 03:27:28 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 14 20:27:29 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Expanded) Thinking about packing up, In-Reply-To: <20050415003930.32844.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 14, 2005 05:39:30 PM Message-ID: <20050415032728.49172.qmail@mall-net.com> > > --===============89015424896497519== > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1849994189-1113525570=:32346" > > --0-1849994189-1113525570=:32346 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > This perpetual half assed shitty city, > built formerly on a black hole, now > built on a permanent sinkhole, with > a permanent crutch (foreign oil,) to > support its crap ass infrastructure: > > http://www.osu-ours.okstate.edu/report01/tulsa/aerialview.jpg Looks a little flat... I think I drove through there once. Flat flat flat flat! > I am thinking about packing up, very > minimally, and moving to Fort Collins > Colorado, and living there, and leaving > the majority of my belongings behind. First step is to check the Ft. Collins papers to see what jobs are available there. Then look for housing and such. > I am sick of this dumbass fascist > corporate state, of Oklahoma; and Tulsa is > built also, on an economic and financial > sinkhole. Are you on top of a major sinkhole area? Could you be getting gasses from the sinkhole? -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 15 04:48:29 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 14 21:48:34 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk, In-Reply-To: <20050415031048.75301.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 14, 2005 08:10:47 PM Message-ID: <20050415044830.96395.qmail@mall-net.com> > You mentioned the existance of ceramic engines > in one of your responses, earlier. > I did a web search last week, but came up empty > in my search, in looking to see if ceramic > electric motors exist. > Have you ever known of any ceramic (high efficiency) > electric motors before??? The ceramic engines I read about were liquid fuel powered (probably diesel), an attempt by the military to allow an engine to run at a much higher temperature so as not to have to put half or more of the energy out the radiator to keep the engine from melting. The main problem with ceramic engines, aside from the brittleness of the material, is that if you were to park it in your garage after a run somewhere, you would set the floorboards of your garage on fire, or maybe even set the tar under your car in the corporate parking lot on fire. And if not, then you'd probably come close to passing out when you entered your garage the next morning from the heat. > I posted, although three of the last few, are worthless; > the two microradio links, and the Google link, but I > ran out of time today, to revise that bullshit out > of the list. > I also apologize for my major pessimism too. Clyde, chemistry runs much of the brain. If you can hold yourself together and not do anything really stupid, the pessimism may fade as you get some of the health issues together. It may take a while, but if you keep looking and keep trying, you'll probably pull through. I've seen worse... YOU have a brain! Your brain is working! Maybe it's not poifict, but it's working a hell of a lot better than some of the drunks and skunks out here!!! > I just think that I will never figure out the subject of > financial freedom, in order to carry out all of the > endless hands on projects that I want to accomplish, > and take these mad science dreams and goals to > their absolute limits; > To infinity and beyond!!! > To absolute and beyond!!! There's nothing as inflexible as perfection! tomorrow's needs will be different, and that perfection will be obsolete. And with that, you've going to be breaking up the equivalent of steel reinforced concrete trying to change things just a little bit. That's why I always design software architectures for maximum flexibility, not perfection in meeting (soon to be) obsolete goals. Remember, it takes a lifetime to learn how to live. And above all, laugh at yourself whenever you can. It's good physical and mental exercise, it encourages friendships, and it lets you see yourself from a different point of view. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Apr 15 08:54:31 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Fri Apr 15 05:55:03 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Who loses when environmentalists fight industry in Congress? Message-ID: <000201c541ba$450cdac0$6401a8c0@mikey> Answer- WE do! A Dirty Little Footnote to the Energy Bill By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO Published: April 15, 2005 OODBURY, Conn., April 12 - A freshly painted, six-foot-high steel tank is this rural town's hope for cleaning up a smelly gasoline additive that is fouling its water system. The additive, methyl tertiary butyl ether, has seeped into two of three wells that supply water for 2,000 residents. Full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/15/business/15pollute.html?th&emc=th From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 06:46:52 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Fri Apr 15 06:46:59 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Who loses when environmentalists fight industry in Congress? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050415134652.41075.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> MTBE and its cousins are one of the reasons I would prefer to work with ethanol as a fuel. easy to make, easy to use, easy to clean up. (and the only fuel I know of, that can be used for parties!) Bob --- Michael Best wrote: > Answer- WE do! > > > > A Dirty Little Footnote to the Energy Bill > > By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO > > Published: April 15, 2005 > > OODBURY, Conn., April 12 - A freshly painted, > six-foot-high steel tank is > this rural town's hope for cleaning up a smelly > gasoline additive that is > fouling its water system. The additive, methyl > tertiary butyl ether, has > seeped into two of three wells that supply water for > 2,000 residents. > > Full article: > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/15/business/15pollute.html?th&emc=th > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 07:16:09 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Apr 15 07:16:17 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Expanded) Thinking about packing up, In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050415141609.21054.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> This perpetual half assed shitty city, built formerly on a black hole, now built on a permanent sinkhole, with a permanent crutch (foreign oil,) to support its crap ass infrastructure: http://www.osu-ours.okstate.edu/report01/tulsa/aerialview.jpg Looks a little flat... I think I drove through there once. Flat flat flat flat! THERE ARE SOME HILLS, NORTH OF DOWNTOWN TULSA, BUT MOST OF THIS CITY, IS FLATLAND! I am thinking about packing up, very minimally, and moving to Fort Collins Colorado, and living there, and leaving the majority of my belongings behind. First step is to check the Ft. Collins papers to see what jobs are available there. Then look for housing and such. OK! I am sick of this dumbass fascist corporate state, of Oklahoma; and Tulsa is built also, on an economic and financial sinkhole. Are you on top of a major sinkhole area? Could you be getting gasses from the sinkhole? 'SARCASTICALLY': I WOULDN'T DOUBT IT, BUT THIS CITY IS ALSO SO DAMNED DIRTY TOO! MY LUNGS ARE NOW PAINFUL, EVERY MORNING THAT I WAKE UP FROM SLEEP, BUT IT MIGHT BE THE COMBINATION OF BOTH MY LUNGS AND OF MY HEART. I FEAR THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE A HEART ATTACK THAT I DIE FROM, BUT HEART FAILURE INSTEAD. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050415/7b5e2a72/attachment.htm From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Apr 15 12:16:19 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Fri Apr 15 09:16:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Slow light Message-ID: <000601c541d6$75731410$6401a8c0@mikey> Einstein's Theory of Relativity is based on the postulate that C is a universal constant, approximately 186,282 miles per second. So what does the following research have to say about the validity of both the Special and General theories of Relativity??? http://www.deas.harvard.edu/haulab/ Just as Michaelson's and Morley's experiment provided the "jumping-off point" for human knowledge to expand beyond Newton, today we have many empirical observations that can impel us to understanding beyond Einstein and Schroedinger. -MB From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Apr 15 12:40:38 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Fri Apr 15 09:40:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] mbest@triad.rr.com PGP public key, for future reference Message-ID: <001101c541d9$db449220$6401a8c0@mikey> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use mQGiBEG5H34RBADjw1JGBOXTrWC7kEslBbca4Zrxdzq6DhjkvN+BneNfbYHqOe5C 83Bx4baP4Cgcj49YZbM6f3HfeB5G+8roCd895JWVG3na1hBlfONAQIV/bSixxO/X gqfnAGDlCn7eZnQfby6tv+JO0nkjxUAdeg60Xj/J1uIqATBs6ovFS5t5iQCg/5LJ 7DX5wL+aoUlpoSOoHO9dkRcD/itxpnrcKHR5W7cnSNEf4g7+Sh4PU8Vm3/hMPtJl dg88cNbbGtTwWrU3DFHldIwVlQATLTTwqqxINBgHEzH2rKzpX9e2u8u31UqTjsMN VdDoyVw3g9EWh0pYrje4Vl6qZvuJPgiXzMNiGsnvYxMV7DVB+KTPIHFr+v9OOFju B4xQBAC+9F0X1PJ/N5WcUcmkMVCPF3A/sEOVe6/Lb3HBUbaXA7RyPrBSCGQQja6A FjZvK6fgEov4+C0Cj+dn/r8TM0llkN/pcqCuzAaUuVrnGQbVuwmF9I7SuQFI9S3J ggqMMZ9pGwmCgl/rHsUIrI7M0M0dxzfv3yptRj9W9ncRon6t17QjTWljaGFlbCBI IEJlc3QgPG1iZXN0QHRyaWFkLnJyLmNvbT6JAE4EEBECAA4FAkG5H34ECwMCAQIZ AQAKCRCnGLc2qs6eOmcwAKDKOUO6ZvZJWtpuMChIJPQyhSCkLQCfVh+qxv+UwpUT TTh0oUL7UME52Pq5Aw0EQbkffhAMAMwdd1ckOErixPDojhNnl06SE2H22+slDhf9 9pj3yHx5sHIdOHX79sFzxIMRJitDYMPj6NYK/aEoJguuqa6zZQ+iAFMBoHzWq6MS HvoPKs4fdIRPyvMX86RA6dfSd7ZCLQI2wSbLaF6dfJgJCo1+Le3kXXn11JJPmxiO /CqnS3wy9kJXtwh/CBdyorrWqULzBej5UxE5T7bxbrlLOCDaAadWoxTpj0BV89AH xstDqZSt90xkhkn4DIO9ZekX1KHTUPj1WV/cdlJPPT2N286Z4VeSWc39uK50T8X8 dryDxUcwYc58yWb/Ffm7/ZFexwGq01uejaClcjrUGvC/RgBYK+X0iP1YTknbzSC0 neSRBzZrM2w4DUUdD3yIsxx8Wy2O9vPJI8BD8KVbGI2Ou1WMuF040zT9fBdXQ6Md GGzeMyEstSr/POGxKUAYEY18hKcKctaGxAMZyAcpesqVDNmWn6vQClCbAkbTCD1m pF1Bn5x8vYlLIhkmuquiXsNV6UwybwACAgwAl0CyB7XU5Ce0DO9om5qUzlLDIHr4 majIW27a2vShrUk1UVtnsPBp9JkuwjYZu3irqGUNhit+CNOrUef5FYOW+GiPkP6D ytwGlAgRnQefPD3LXVP72N94c4Ymhj5dESzD9DCescOMP5qBiEOojky5i6z8Oo4C A5eOiN4UepzcVlCDncFQne3cBXDS3GFo+glmZgsboCSPTJsdpQ7alCLeNf8Z7RoF nnTtkwmCTKHn1ZPlu8mFYeSAhsBUYM15QMop6asL7bhOscnMlxigzkQFzuUypqNQ MwHZb0FSfGWEIm66hi9Irfp+erB9jJvkJ6ImskV4FtkIxRJT88foHdvxsfmgm4i8 /IKnHDm43uLS+BdxTse7dx2ZHqFpj1CMsW/DxkkUgN9VpAkG2HWXKzPK4+PB60l5 qn6DNzkRmbeNNFhSGSU4mYFbHD3pFdNVnOUwRAqc5QGxqf0R1Rws5arlt3el+exw n4g2FWuUq9BfvP55Pzls5iBbgCPfGUaqjYOAiQBGBBgRAgAGBQJBuR9+AAoJEKcY tzaqzp46lWgAoL93WPMSMdr4/6jjZzRHoeeJQMiGAJ90/4fkmeG3seA8MEO+HZmA Ezolow== =tsjo - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBQl/taqcYtzaqzp46EQJaVwCgwoyhPMJmIk8+NjBWVuQCRx5ZcFkAn0Zm 3uPnD9pghd41LDH41zZRqtUq =5rqb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 15 17:31:50 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Apr 15 10:31:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Slow light In-Reply-To: <000601c541d6$75731410$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Apr 15, 2005 12:16:19 PM Message-ID: <20050415173150.80523.qmail@mall-net.com> > > Einstein's Theory of Relativity is based on the postulate that C is a > universal constant, approximately 186,282 miles per second. And it is, in vacuum. But in any other medium there is a propagation delay. And what I understand not reading the whole site, but having read some research in Science news a while back, is that SOME light comes out quickly, but the bulk of it is delayed. > So what does the following research have to say about the validity of both > the Special and General theories of Relativity??? Probably not much. -JVV- > > http://www.deas.harvard.edu/haulab/ > > Just as Michaelson's and Morley's experiment provided the "jumping-off > point" for human knowledge to expand beyond Newton, today we have many > empirical observations that can impel us to understanding beyond Einstein > and Schroedinger. > > -MB > From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 15 17:44:55 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Apr 15 10:44:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Who loses when environmentalists fight industry In-Reply-To: <20050415134652.41075.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Apr 15, 2005 06:46:52 AM Message-ID: <20050415174455.89231.qmail@mall-net.com> > > > MTBE and its cousins are one of the reasons I would > prefer to work with ethanol as a fuel. easy to make, > easy to use, easy to clean up. (and the only fuel I > know of, that can be used for parties!) MTBE produces formaldehyde on combustion. This would cause me severe Parkinson's like symptoms, forcing me out of Silicon Valley. (Parkinson's includes some short term memory loss, then progresses to the more familiar shuffling gate, slouching to one side, etc.) But ethanol isn't a win either! It produces substantially more nitrous oxides, which are a known narcotic type agent. So I didn't get home free. I still can't spend much time in the valley. Worse, it rises higher faster than MTBE's combustion products, triggering ozone. This means that San Martin has the worst air pollution in the SF Bay area. What's in San Martin? Horses, ranch and farm land, one house per many, many acres... hardly any roads! Essentially NOTHING! The bad stuff from San Jose takes time to react in the sun, drifting out toward San Martin, where it becomes the worst pollution in the valley. And when the wind blows my way... basically, I have to take a nap, as I'm not able to walk much, think much, etc. But when the wind shifts, in half an hour or so I have energy, can jog, etc. While I'd hope for a hydrogen economy, it isn't going to happen without massive nuclear power or some really cute invention for converting solar to hydrogen really, really cheap. Then we'll all be driving Hindenbergs... But as long as it burns up, rather than down and spreading, I suppose it's not that bad. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 15 17:46:23 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Apr 15 10:46:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Who loses when environmentalists fight industry in Congress? In-Reply-To: <000201c541ba$450cdac0$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Apr 15, 2005 08:54:31 AM Message-ID: <20050415174623.90072.qmail@mall-net.com> > > Answer- WE do! > > > > A Dirty Little Footnote to the Energy Bill > > By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO > > Published: April 15, 2005 > > OODBURY, Conn., April 12 - A freshly painted, six-foot-high steel tank is I grew up near there. Was once a nice place before we got too much populution. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 21:24:25 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Apr 15 21:25:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk. Message-ID: <20050416042425.90736.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> I have measured, and marked, what I think are the correct dimensions of how the spacings of the coils should be, on the p.v.c. pipe, coil former. I am at a standstill, wondering if the end to end length of the p.v.c. former /coil spacing, should be 11 1/2 inches, or if it should be 12 inches. Can you let me know what the end to end length is, of your outer coils, from end to end??? You mentioned that you used wooden dowel rods. What gauge of magnet wire is it, that you have used??? I can't remember if you originally said what gauge of magnet wire that you have used. Thanks, Clyde --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050415/eee40d50/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Apr 16 05:00:55 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Apr 15 22:00:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk. In-Reply-To: <20050416042425.90736.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 15, 2005 09:24:25 PM Message-ID: <20050416050055.50978.qmail@mall-net.com> > I have measured, and marked, what I > think are the correct dimensions of > how the spacings of the coils should > be, on the p.v.c. pipe, coil former. > I am at a standstill, wondering if the > end to end length of the p.v.c. former > /coil spacing, should be 11 1/2 > inches, or if it should be 12 inches. Well, if you down-sized the coils from 12 inches to 10 inches, then the top to bottom length should be 10 inches. It's really not that important, because you will be adjusting the gain control on your signal generator to produce more variation than the precision positioning. Heck, I don't recall if a true Helmholtz field is two hoops spaced the diameter apart, or the radius apart. But I seemed to have better results with the middle coil added. Just checked some illustrations on the web, they look like the coils are supposed to one radius apart, not one diameter apart. Thus ten inches top to bottom, with one coil in the middle would be correct for a head sized field. Make sure the current flow of all the coils is in the same direction. (Swap appropriate leads if not.) > You mentioned that you used wooden > dowel rods. I used them to stabilize the thing and so I could use a middle coil. Before that, I had six hoops glued together as if they were on the faces of a cubical box, glued where they met. The whole thing is quite fragile. Now that I think about it, I should probably have used a corrugated plastic drain pipe with holes cut out for my eyes and mouth. It would have been a lot tougher! The reason we went for this design, is that we were hoping to be able to sense some hysteresis of the iron in the brain using the side coils. In fact there were at one point an extra set of coils beyond the sense coils to allow for nullifying any ambient fields. However, my equipment proved inadequate for the required sensitivity, so I cut the extra coils and mounts off to reduce the unwieldiness of the gadget. > What gauge of magnet wire is it, that > you have used??? I don't know, I just got a roll of Radio Shack magnet wire. I believe current is more important than wire gauge. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 10:14:44 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Apr 16 10:15:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: This Fish Oil Saves Your Heart, Brain, More In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050416171444.46623.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> NewsMax Media wrote: Miracle 'Fatty Acid': It Prevents Heart Attack and Stroke – and Even Cures Depression! An important message to NewsMax readers: Dr. Russell BlaylockImagine a simple fat that is found in nature. It costs next to nothing and you need no prescription for it – yet it is considered a miracle panacea. For centuries, the omega-3 fatty acid has played just that role in many societies. But modern medicine has largely ignored this wonder substance – even though its absence in Western diets has been linked to heart disease, stroke, brain diseases like Alzheimer’s and worse yet – suicidal depression. 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Blue Heron Blvd. Riviera Beach, FL 33404 --------------------------------- You are currently subscribed to states_list-ok as: clydelofton@yahoo.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-states_list-ok-706835K@newsmax.sparklist.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050416/d1cd41fa/attachment-0001.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Apr 16 17:36:57 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Apr 16 10:36:59 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: This Fish Oil Saves Your Heart, Brain, More In-Reply-To: <20050416171444.46623.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 16, 2005 10:14:44 AM Message-ID: <20050416173657.77481.qmail@mall-net.com> > Dr. Russell BlaylockImagine a simple fat that is found in nature. It > costs next to nothing and you need no prescription for it ? yet it is > considered a miracle panacea. > For centuries, the omega-3 fatty acid > has played just that role in many societies. Yep, omega 3 and omega 6 are very important. Dr.'s Rinse and Passwater discussed that in American Laboratory magazine back in the early 70's. The FDA was not amused! > But modern medicine has largely ignored this wonder substance ? even > though its absence in Western diets has been linked to heart disease, > stroke, brain diseases like Alzheimer?s and worse yet ? suicidal > depression. Funny thing is that cholesterol is important for the brain. People with low cholesterol tend to be depressed. See, crab meat does not make crabby people. > There?s one major ?problem? with Omega-3: It's cheap, easily > accessible, completely natural and proven to be effective in treating > an entire spectrum of diseases. Also check out http://www.PaulingTherapy.com/ This saved my father's life. From barely able to shuffle from his car to the hospital main entrance (had to use two nitro patches plus nitro under the tongue!) to beating the hospital's stress test record in a year and a half. The cardiologists were amazed! All but one are taking the treatments themselves, but only one dares prescribe it to patients. You might also find L-Tryptophan interesting. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 10:48:25 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Apr 16 10:48:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I hate to sound radical, but this country needs a revolution, for certain!!!; with a large dose of painkillers for all. Message-ID: <20050416174825.79331.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> I hate to sound radical, but this country needs a revolution, for certain!!!; with a large dose of painkillers for all: This country needs a revolution, with a large limitless (over)-dose of painkillers for all! I hate to sound like a radical, but this country needs a drastic revolution, for certain, with large doses of painkillers for everyone. The unravelling of this country is not a fantasy, it is appearing more and more factual, as time goes by! And I am far from being the only one who sees this going on. The pharma-pseudoscience industries have hijacked this country's infrastructure just as the petroleum monopolies, the infernal combustion engine monopolies, and the electrical power generating monopolies have also done. Nutrician, and vitamins are being suppressed from the masses. This country needs a revolution, badly!!! Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050416/32514e47/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Apr 16 18:15:16 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Apr 16 11:15:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I hate to sound radical, but this country needs ay In-Reply-To: <20050416174825.79331.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 16, 2005 10:48:25 AM Message-ID: <20050416181516.95945.qmail@mall-net.com> > The pharma-pseudoscience industries have hijacked > this country's infrastructure just as the petroleum > monopolies, the infernal combustion engine > monopolies, and the electrical power generating > monopolies have also done. We vote with our dollars every day. What are we voting for? I think it's mostly convenience. > This country needs a revolution, badly!!! Even at the height of the American Revolution, only about 25% of the population supported independence. Revolutions are basically inconvenient. Evolution is slower, but surer. Just think, it took 30 years for computers to take over. Imsai 8080, about 1975. IBM PC, 1982. E-mail, about 1990. Web, about 1996+. With all the information on the web, vitamins as cures are catching on among the brighter people despite all the propaganda of the pharmaceutical interests. Just look at how many times the FDA has gotten caught with it's pants down in the last few years vs the pre-internet days when people couldn't find people like themselves. And how many patients are disputing doctor's diagnoses and treatments with research from the web. LOTS! Evolution Is taking place! The way to revolutionize things, is not radical weaponry, it's radical facilitation, the creation of convenience to do something via new technologies. Then let the people do what they wish, what gives them more value by using the tools you create. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 11:23:22 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Apr 16 11:23:34 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I hate to sound radical, but this country needs ay In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050416182322.6399.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> HOW ABOUT THE WORD: CREATIOLUTION, TO REPLACE THE WORDS; REVOLUTION, EVOLUTION, AND EVILUTION??? CLYDE javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > The pharma-pseudoscience industries have hijacked > this country's infrastructure just as the petroleum > monopolies, the infernal combustion engine > monopolies, and the electrical power generating > monopolies have also done. We vote with our dollars every day. What are we voting for? I think it's mostly convenience. > This country needs a revolution, badly!!! Even at the height of the American Revolution, only about 25% of the population supported independence. Revolutions are basically inconvenient. Evolution is slower, but surer. Just think, it took 30 years for computers to take over. Imsai 8080, about 1975. IBM PC, 1982. E-mail, about 1990. Web, about 1996+. With all the information on the web, vitamins as cures are catching on among the brighter people despite all the propaganda of the pharmaceutical interests. Just look at how many times the FDA has gotten caught with it's pants down in the last few years vs the pre-internet days when people couldn't find people like themselves. And how many patients are disputing doctor's diagnoses and treatments with research from the web. LOTS! Evolution Is taking place! The way to revolutionize things, is not radical weaponry, it's radical facilitation, the creation of convenience to do something via new technologies. Then let the people do what they wish, what gives them more value by using the tools you create. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050416/16232663/attachment.htm From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Apr 16 14:39:46 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Apr 16 11:40:08 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Russell Blaylock and omega-3 FA's Message-ID: <003401c542b3$aa5c44c0$6401a8c0@mikey> There is no question that omega-3 fatty acids are healthy, and good for the human body. Eat cold water finfish! There IS a question about Blaylock being anything but a money-grubbing quack! After following Blaylock for over a decade, my opinion is that he is outside even the most liberal fringes of the medical arts. If Blaylock were to tell me that grass is green and the sky is blue, I would have to walk outside and validate this for myself! -MB From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Apr 16 18:58:51 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 16 15:59:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Russell Blaylock and omega-3 FA's Message-ID: <15.42e22cb5.2f92f2ab@aol.com> Brother Loves Traveling Salvation Show. How I love these Snake Oil salesmen. Lydia Pinkhems Tonic for woman saved hundreds of thousands of woman in my great- grand mothers day, It took away woman problems, hair loss, the vapors, gave energy to woman who worked 18 hours a day just doing housework, never mind working in the fields, educating their children, and spending half their day of rest , Sunday in church. Wonderful stuff, when not doing all of the above the woman had energy to knit, spin and card wool. Before the sewing machine was mass produced, all clothing was hand sewn. Yup, the good old days were something, without this tonic, who knows where we would be today. Morphine wonderful ingredient, kept the woman busy without complaining, never board, no time to have a wandering eye for neighbors husband. (Some of them anyway). I am not saying fish oil is a Snake Oil. I am saying that any product said to be a cure all for more then say 3 things sounds highly questionable to me. With one exception, aspirin, the amazing drug of the last 100 years. Fish in the world of today have all the toxins they swim in. Factories that manufacture fish products have Very strict quality control over their products. When you buy fish sticks, fillets, nuggets, etc. the fish has to be tested for over 60 chemicals or other toxins before it is released for to be turned into the products you buy. I work in this industry, train loads and trucks by the dozen deliver fish every day. I have seen whole train cars sent back because of one sample taken from tons of fish ,the sample was suspect, so the whole load of tons of fish was rejected. When you buy a food supplement you cannot be sure of the source, how would anyone know if the supplement is contaminated ? When you ingest contaminated food you will know with in a few hours that you got a hold of some bad stuff. With food supplements you can get bad stuff in low doses over months, you just get sicker and sicker and never give a thought to the health pills you are taking. Contaminated fish oil from supplements is almost impossible to prove, FDA is not involved in the manufacturing process. If you want fish oil, eat FISH from a name brand, Gortons or Fisherboy or Mrs.Pauls. I work for one of these companies and we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to insure our products are the safest and best nutrition your hard earned money can buy. My Regards Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050416/db514f6b/attachment.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 21:11:17 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Sat Apr 16 21:11:30 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Russell Blaylock and omega-3 FA's In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050417041118.63334.qmail@web51906.mail.yahoo.com> yet another reason I like fish as a meal... Bob (feeling healthier as we speak...) --- Vesta111@aol.com wrote: > Brother Loves Traveling Salvation Show. > > How I love these Snake Oil salesmen. Lydia > Pinkhems Tonic for woman > saved hundreds of thousands of woman in my great- > grand mothers day, It took > away woman problems, hair loss, the vapors, gave > energy to woman who worked 18 > hours a day just doing housework, never mind working > in the fields, educating > their children, and spending half their day of rest > , Sunday in church. > Wonderful stuff, when not doing all of the above the > woman had energy to knit, > spin and card wool. Before the sewing machine was > mass produced, all clothing > was hand sewn. > > Yup, the good old days were something, without this > tonic, who knows where > we would be today. Morphine wonderful > ingredient, kept the woman busy > without complaining, never board, no time to have a > wandering eye for neighbors > husband. (Some of them anyway). > > I am not saying fish oil is a Snake Oil. I am > saying that any product said > to be a cure all for more then say 3 things sounds > highly questionable to me. > With one exception, aspirin, the amazing drug of > the last 100 years. > > Fish in the world of today have all the toxins they > swim in. Factories that > manufacture fish products have Very strict quality > control over their > products. When you buy fish sticks, fillets, > nuggets, etc. the fish has to be tested > for over 60 chemicals or other toxins before it is > released for to be turned > into the products you buy. > > I work in this industry, train loads and trucks by > the dozen deliver fish > every day. I have seen whole train cars sent back > because of one sample taken > from tons of fish ,the sample was suspect, so the > whole load of tons of fish > was rejected. > > When you buy a food supplement you cannot be sure of > the source, how would > anyone know if the supplement is contaminated ? > > When you ingest contaminated food you will know with > in a few hours that you > got a hold of some bad stuff. With food supplements > you can get bad stuff in > low doses over months, you just get sicker and > sicker and never give a > thought to the health pills you are taking. > > Contaminated fish oil from supplements is almost > impossible to prove, FDA is > not involved in the manufacturing process. > > If you want fish oil, eat FISH from a name brand, > Gortons or Fisherboy or > Mrs.Pauls. I work for one of these companies and we > spend hundreds of > thousands of dollars a year to insure our products > are the safest and best > nutrition your hard earned money can buy. > > My Regards Vesta > > > > > > > To know someone well, you must see what makes make > them angry. > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 20:05:04 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Apr 18 20:06:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Electromagnetic brainwave entrainment project. Message-ID: <20050419030504.29383.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, I am at a standstill, with the P.V.C. pipe, for the E.M. B-wave Entrainment project. The ends of the pipe are not cut at 90 degrees, relative to the length of the pipe itself, (which was the way that I got the pipe,) and so, I intend to take the pipe to a shop, perhaps a shop with a bandsaw, or some other type of saw; (maybe a table saw?). The main reason that I am typing here, is that I am wondering if you know if the powered up helmholz coils will effect more than just the iron content in the brain??? Are there more factors that will be effected in the brain, other than just iron only??? Sincerely, Clyde --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050418/ccbf3663/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 19 03:28:11 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Apr 18 20:28:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Electromagnetic brainwave entrainment project. In-Reply-To: <20050419030504.29383.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 18, 2005 08:05:04 PM Message-ID: <20050419032811.26279.qmail@mall-net.com> > I am at a standstill, with the P.V.C. > pipe, for the E.M. B-wave Entrainment > project. Hmm... > The ends of the pipe are not cut at > 90 degrees, relative to the length of > the pipe itself, (which was the way that > I got the pipe,) and so, I intend to take > the pipe to a shop, perhaps a shop > with a bandsaw, or some other type > of saw; (maybe a table saw?). Band saw. But knitting hoops are already the right size, shape, etc. Alternative -- go to Home Depot or Lowes, find a corrugated drain pipe the right size, one foot in diameter, and have them cut you a chunk that is about one and a half feet long, enough to fit over your head and rest on your shoulders. Cut out eye holes and maybe a mouth hole. Wind the coils in the corrugations a little above the top of the head, six inches down, and six inches below that to give you a one foot long field. You will have a robust device. A lot more robust than thin pipes, hoops. etc. that I have! And come to think of it... I'll probably do just that some time soon, as I've busted another wire on this set of coils. Not to mention having to re-glue the dowels, etc. from time to time. Do make sure the pipe does not stink, first. > The main reason that I am typing here, > is that I am wondering if you know > if the powered up helmholz coils will > effect more than just the iron content > in the brain??? I have no idea what it affects. The theory is it may align some of the molecules or something. The effects are statistically altering brain waves toward the set frequency, and synchronization of brain hemispheres. > Are there more factors that will be > effected in the brain, other than just > iron only??? I really don't know about the iron. I really don't know HOW the thing works. All I know, is that it is being used for therapy by some, similar things have been written up in books, and it seems to have some very good effects upon myself when set to 7.83hz. Interesting effects at other frequencies... but good effects for me at 7.83 -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 20:56:07 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Apr 18 20:56:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Electromagnetic brainwave entrainment project. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050419035607.84897.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > I am at a standstill, with the P.V.C. > pipe, for the E.M. B-wave Entrainment > project. Hmm... > The ends of the pipe are not cut at > 90 degrees, relative to the length of > the pipe itself, (which was the way that > I got the pipe,) and so, I intend to take > the pipe to a shop, perhaps a shop > with a bandsaw, or some other type > of saw; (maybe a table saw?). Band saw. But knitting hoops are already the right size, shape, etc. Alternative -- go to Home Depot or Lowes, find a corrugated drain pipe the right size, one foot in diameter, and have them cut you a chunk that is about one and a half feet long, enough to fit over your head and rest on your shoulders. Cut out eye holes and maybe a mouth hole. Wind the coils in the corrugations a little above the top of the head, six inches down, and six inches below that to give you a one foot long field. You will have a robust device. A lot more robust than thin pipes, hoops. etc. that I have! And come to think of it... I'll probably do just that some time soon, OK. as I've busted another wire on this set of coils. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BUSTING A WIRE? DID YOU JUST BREAK THE WIRE, DUE TO THE FRAGILITY OF THE KNITTERS HOOPS, THE GLUE, AND THE DOWELS? OR DID YOU OVERLOAD THE COILS AND BURN THE WIRE IN TWO? Not to mention having to re-glue the dowels, etc. from time to time. Do make sure the pipe does not stink, first. WHY WOULD THE PIPES STINK??? > The main reason that I am typing here, > is that I am wondering if you know > if the powered up helmholz coils will > effect more than just the iron content > in the brain??? I have no idea what it affects. The theory is it may align some of the molecules or something. The effects are statistically altering brain waves toward the set frequency, and synchronization of brain hemispheres. SYNCHRONIZING/RE-SYNCHRONIZING THE CLOCKWORK OF/INSIDE THE BRAIN. I WONDER HOW THE EFFECTS WOULD BE ON ANIMALS; LIKE CATS AND DOGS, ALTHOUGH THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NO INTEREST IN ACTUALLY DOING! > Are there more factors that will be > effected in the brain, other than just > iron only??? I really don't know about the iron. I really don't know HOW the thing works. All I know, is that it is being used for therapy by some, similar things have been written up in books, and it seems to have some very good effects upon myself when set to 7.83hz. Interesting effects at other frequencies... but good effects for me at 7.83 OK; I WILL EXPERIMENT AT 7.83 HZ. WITH SINEWAVE INPUT. I THINK THE MINIMUMUM IMPEDANCE OUTPUT, OF THE LOAD OF THE AUDIO GEN. IS 4 OHMS, BUT I'LL HAVE TO DIG THROUGH MY BOX OF INSTRUCTION MANUALS, TO FIND OUT FOR CERTAIN. I DON'T WANT TO OVERLOAD MY AUDIO GEN., SO I THINK I WILL FIRST EXPERIMENT WITH A MINIMUM OF A 2 OHM RESISTOR, AT FIRST TEST, AND IF 2 OHMS WEAKENS THE FIELD STRENGTH TOO MUCH, THEN I WILL REDUCE THE IMPEDENCE ACCORDINGLY. SINCERELY, CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050418/bc7c6d48/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 19 04:14:19 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Apr 18 21:14:21 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Electromagnetic brainwave entrainment project. In-Reply-To: <20050419035607.84897.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 18, 2005 08:56:07 PM Message-ID: <20050419041419.51402.qmail@mall-net.com> > > as I've busted another wire on > this set of coils. > > WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BUSTING A WIRE? > > DID YOU JUST BREAK THE WIRE, DUE TO THE FRAGILITY > OF THE KNITTERS HOOPS, THE GLUE, AND THE DOWELS? The wire broke because it was running through air between the hoops. But yes, the thing is fragile, hard to transport, etc. because it is just thin sticks glued together. > Do make sure the pipe does not stink, first. > > > WHY WOULD THE PIPES STINK??? Plastics have odors. Mold release compound, softeners, hardeners, UV blockers, all kinds of stuff. Many of the people I know have problems with some kinds of plastics. > I have no idea what it affects. The theory is it may align some of > the molecules or something. The effects are statistically altering > brain waves toward the set frequency, and synchronization of brain > hemispheres. > > SYNCHRONIZING/RE-SYNCHRONIZING THE CLOCKWORK OF/INSIDE > THE BRAIN. We have pacemakers in our brains, just as we have in our hearts. if the pacemaker cells do not get a pulse in so much time, they fire. > > I WONDER HOW THE EFFECTS WOULD BE ON ANIMALS; LIKE CATS > AND DOGS, ALTHOUGH THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NO > INTEREST IN ACTUALLY DOING! I stuck some mice in the coils once, mice I caught raiding my kitchen. When I exposed them to below 5hz signals, they appeared to be trying to avoid nodding off. After the experiment, I "air-mailed" them far from my dwelling. (They had been caught in some pipe, so I just flipped it, letting them fly out.) I do not expect they survived the landing, but it was too dark to verify. Any animal that steals and spoils my food without explicit invitation, dies. > I really don't know about the iron. I really don't know HOW the > thing works. All I know, is that it is being used for therapy by some, > similar things have been written up in books, and it seems to have some > very good effects upon myself when set to 7.83hz. Interesting effects > at other frequencies... but good effects for me at 7.83 > > > OK; I WILL EXPERIMENT AT 7.83 HZ. WITH SINEWAVE INPUT. > I THINK THE MINIMUMUM IMPEDANCE OUTPUT, OF THE LOAD OF > THE AUDIO GEN. IS 4 OHMS, BUT I'LL HAVE TO DIG THROUGH MY > BOX OF INSTRUCTION MANUALS, TO FIND OUT FOR CERTAIN. If you don't turn the gain up on most of these devices, they won't fry. > > I DON'T WANT TO OVERLOAD MY AUDIO GEN., SO I THINK I WILL > FIRST EXPERIMENT WITH A MINIMUM OF A 2 OHM RESISTOR, AT > FIRST TEST, AND IF 2 OHMS WEAKENS THE FIELD STRENGTH TOO > MUCH, THEN I WILL REDUCE THE IMPEDENCE ACCORDINGLY. Field strength is a function of current. V=IR Volts = current times resistance -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 09:57:41 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Apr 20 09:57:51 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk, Message-ID: <20050420165741.8880.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, Would Hindu Ayurveda, and, Orthomolecular, both, be under the exact same science classification??? Clyde __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050420/badf871c/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Apr 20 17:53:11 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Apr 20 10:53:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk, In-Reply-To: <20050420165741.8880.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 20, 2005 09:57:41 AM Message-ID: <20050420175311.54979.qmail@mall-net.com> > Would Hindu Ayurveda, and, > Orthomolecular, both, be > under the exact same science > classification??? Not even close! Basically, all systems of medicine map a patient into one (or sometimes more) categories, then treat as we have seen successful for the category. So the primary questions are how many categories, and how accurately can we place the person or symptom in an appropriate category? The Hindu system of "Are You Vedic" medicine is not based upon knowledge of molecular structure. The Hindus don't know molecular structure, chemistry, etc. It's based upon myths and guesses of how "something" "must" work, supplemented by a few thousand years of experience. New fad to the western world. Promoted highly by "Deep-quack" Chopra. For some things it works well. For a lot of things it works so-so. But it's a guess, mapping people into one of so many categories, and administering herbs and such based upon what has worked for people in that category. Chinese Medicine is based on a kind of "energy" flow system. Another myth and guess of how things might work, along with a few thousands of years of experience in which herb really does seem to cure what general condition. Fair chance of working. Again, it's a guess of mapping people into one of so many categories based upon symptoms like "dampness", etc., and administering herbs, etc. on the basis of what as worked for people in that category Homeopathic medicine is another "best guess" type system with a lot of treatments and plausible rational that has a fair success rate. The "logical basis" for a lot of it is take something that makes the same symptoms, or symptoms worse, as it spurs the body into fixing the problem. Here, one is mapped into a set of categories based upon the symptoms, rather than the person, and treated according to that category. Orthomolecular is based upon detailed scientific knowledge of biochemical pathways -- how our bodies actually work. The goal is to help the body heal buy supplementing the pathways where they are not producing enough intermediate chemistry. Elaborate blood testing for amino acid and other levels to determine what is actually going on; though sometimes it is fairly obvious. In other words, Highly targeted solutions based on actual knowledge of the patient. Amino acids and vitamins are cheap and generally NOT HARMFUL! Does not support an industry, only the doctor using it. In other words, categories based upon actual mechanisms, rather than symptoms. Allopathic medicine, what American doctors generally use, is also based upon this scientific knowledge. But it is targeted toward the alleviation of symptoms, NOT helping the body overcome the specifics of what is wrong. In other words, it is another system of mapping based upon symptoms. Also, the chemistry used generally does not supplement, but impairs the function of the body system which creates the symptoms. Thus side effects are not uncommon. Why is it based on symptoms? Like the homeopathic system which preceded it, it's easier to deal with symptoms than do a full work up of all the oddities of each patient. And besides, if you cure the patient, he does not come back and spend more money with you. So you try pill A at $25 each, and if that does not work, pill B at $45 each, then pill C at $85 each... and eventually the pharmaceutical company's stock goes up! Allopathic medicine uses things like anti-histamines to stop running noses by blocking part of the immune system, rather than finding out WHY the nose is running. Orthomolecular addresses why the nose is running, often it's body temperature too low, lack of adequate vitamin C, maybe selenium, etc. Orthomolecular believes things happen for a reason, and sometimes, you really DON'T want to stop the symptoms, because they are part of how the body is healing itself. And as some articles say, suppressing the immune system leaves us more likely NOT to kill off the thousand or so cancers which an average person gets in a life time. Cancer is not that unusual, so the immune system knows how to deal with it... the question is whether it is alert enough to detect, and vigorous enough to kill that cancer before it grows very large. If you are suppressing your immune system via antihistamines or other things, are not getting good enough nutrition, adequate vitamins, etc., then the immune system might not catch it early enough. So I am kind of biased in favor of the orthomolecular approach. Besides, that's what saved my life. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 16:06:01 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Apr 20 16:06:14 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Reminder web addresses: Part two. Message-ID: <20050420230601.83952.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Reminder web addresses: Part two: 1. http://www.whale.to/a/hammell.html 2. http://www.corleyganem.com/PracticeAreaDescriptions9.html 3. http://www.drlaurathompson.com/ 4. http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/beyond-the-bombing/btb-oklahoma.html 5. http://www.whale.to (Some of the topics on this website are nonsense.) 6. http://www.naturalcures.com (Support: HR-1146! ; Reject: Bills; SS-722, and HR-3377!) 7. http://www.naturalcures.com/Default.aspx?tabid=176&FormToLoad=ViewProduct&MenuToLoad=Products&&ProductId=2 8. http://www.ayurveda.co.uk/treatments.html 9. http://www.magicofayurveda.com/clinic/all_treatments.asp?act=1&diseaseList=7&hdnDiseaseName=NeurologicalDisorders 10. http://www.art-therapy-in-neurology.co.uk/ 11. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/6e46a202a9243c05.html 12. http://jamesarthur.net/about.html 13. http://www.shamanshop.net/store/proddetail.cfm/ItemID/2960.0/CategoryID/23000.0/SubCatID/5455.0/file.htm 14. http://www.shamanshop.net/store/proddetail.cfm/ItemID/15877.0/CategoryID/155500.0/SubCatID/3620.0/file.htm 15. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/381614337e69dd51a19afeb4da09e526.html 16. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002M5F/103-1948338-2067817?v=glance 17. http://www.osu-ours.okstate.edu/report01/tulsa/aerialview.jpg (A picture of this perpetual half assed shitty city, that is built on an economic and financial sinkhole.) 18. http://www.kotv.com/main/home/stories.asp?whichpage=1&id=73041 19. http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/air.html 20. http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/307115.shtml 21. http://www.reformation.org/nuclear-tsunamis.html 22. http://www.constructionbook.com 23. http://www.thomasnet.com 24. http://www.bugsweeps.com/ 25. http://www.teslapress.com 26. http://www.teslapress.com/ether.html 27. http://www.teslapress.com/griffin_web.html 28. http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/antiamerica.html 29. http://www.stopthelie.com 30. http://www.search.yahoo.com/search?p=out+of+control+government&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8 31. http://www.nomorefakenews.com 32. http://www.omniplex.org/ 33. http://rhull.home.infionline.net/highenergy001.htm 34. http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ 35. http://www.teslasociety.com/ 36. http://www.teslasociety.com/coil.htm 37. http://www.teslasociety.com/corum.htm 38. http://www.americanantigravity.com/index.shtml 39. http://www.paulingtherapy.com/ 40. http://www.mall-net.com/cathcart/ 41. http://www.mall-net.com/arth/ 42. http://www.disclosureproject.org/ 43. http://www.seaspower.com/ 44. http://www.seaspower.com/goingtactical.htm 45. http://www.actionpa.org/fluoride/salon.html 46. http://www.newstarget.com/fluoridation.html 47. http://www.icnr.com/FluoridePres/FluoridationOverdose.html 48. http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/20db6d8f1732f730.html 49. http://www.capricornbooks.ca/si/190.html 50. http://www.madsci.org/ 51. http://www.mad-scientists.org/members.html 52. http://www.mad-scientists.org/join.html 53. http://www.valveandfilter.com/?src=ov-ind-w-filtration 54. http://www.air-quality-eng.com/ (Because, damnit!!!;;; we all need cleaner air to breathe!!!) 55. http://www.breathepureair.com/humidifiers.html (Because, damnit!!!;;; we all need air with more moisture in the wintertime, to breathe!!!) 56. http://www.breathepureair.com/dehumidifiers.html (Because, damnit!!!;;; we all need indoor dehumidfiers in the summertime!!!) 57. http://www.breathepureair.com/oxygen_concentrators.html (Because, damnit!!!;;; we all need more OXYGEN to breathe!!!) 58. http://www.ms.northropgrumman.com/home/main.html } These three Northrop Grumman websites are mainly for Brett, but for others as well, if interested!!! 59. http://www.northgrum.com/ } 60. http://www.es.northropgrumman.com/ } 61. http://www.kippzonen.com/pages/1179/4 62. http://www.charlesgoyette.com/ 63. http://www.omnicronelectronics.com/analog/TimeClock.htm 64. http://www.synthtech.com/ 65. http://www.doepfer.de/home.htm 66. http://www.wiard.com 67. http://www.blacet.com 68. http://www.paia.com 69. http://www.metronomeonline.com 70. http://nist.time.gov/ 71. http://tf.nist.gov 72. http://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwv.html 73. http://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwvb.htm 74. http://tf.nist.gov/service/gpstrace.htm 75. http://tf.nist.gov/general/receiverlist.htm 76. http://www.dcdinc.com 77. http://www.datachroninc.com 78. http://www.ats-usa.com 79. http://www.ese-web.com 80. http://www.atsclock.com 81. http://www.eaiusa.com 82. http://www.maginst.com 83. http://www.ccrane.com 84. http://www.nceec.com 85. http://www.ep2.com 86. http://www.blackbox.com 87. http://www.budind.com 88. http://www.pmpwest.com 89. http://www.hammondmanufacturing.com 90. http://www.chatsworth.com 91. http://www.yca.com 92. http://www.novaspace.com 93. http://www.astronomysite.com/mapug/7/msg7375.htm 94. http://www.extron.com 95. http://www.tecnec.com 96. http://www.kramerelectronics.com 97. http://www.sierravideo.com 98. http://www.WTSmedia.com 99. http://www.carvin.com 100. http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1620/index.html 101. http://www.samsontech.com 102. http://www.photomartusa.com 103. http://www.bswusa.com 104. http://www.rohnnet.com/ 105. http://www.progressive-concepts.com/ 106. http://www.bext.com/ 107. http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/Pope-Aliens.htm 108. http://r0.unctad.org/infocomm/anglais/platinum/uses.htm 109. http://www.silverinstitute.org/ 110. http://my.execpc.com/~rhoadley/magcondb.htm 111. http://my.execpc.com/~rhoadley/magindex.htm 112. http://education.vsnl.com/ganga/ayurveda.html 113. http://www.angelartbyeve.com/Lotusoil.htm 114. http://www.geocities.com/isebindia/2000/00-01-08.html?200518 115. http://worldlightfellowship.org/ 116. http://www.novalynx.com 117. http://www.onsetcomp.com 118. http://www.davis.com 119. http://www.davisnet.com/home_flash.asp 120. http://www.columbiaweather.com 121. http://www.thunderscientific.com 122. http://www.simpsonelectric.com/testind.htm 123. http://www.agilent.com 124. http://www.rohde-schwarz.com 125. http://www.ni.com 126. http://www.electrorent.com 127. http://www.steele-canvas.com 128. http://www.sutherlands.com 129. http://www.candhsales.com (Note: The website for C And H Sales Company is really boring; lacking the pictures that the mail order catalog has. Call and request a copy of their catalog by phone, or e-mail them, to request a copy of the catalog!) 130. http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2491 131. http://www.transcat.com 132. http://www.weschler.com 133. http://www.dwdrums.com 134. http://www.panasonic.com/security 135. http://www.ieee.org 136. http://www.ieee.org/join 137. http://www.pentadyne.com 138. http://www.lwca.org/ 139. http://www.fasote.org/ct/critical/cat.html 140. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43869 141. http://www.worlditc.org/h_07_spiri_000_007.htm 142. http://web.media.mit.edu/~bv/ 143. http://www.grainger.com 144. http://www.graybar.com 145. http://tdworld.com/contact/ 146. http://tw.pbsub.com/ 147. http://www.infowebcom.com/reach.htm 148. http://www.betterhumans.com/Resources/Encyclopedia/article.aspx?articleID=2003-08-25-2 149. http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=/articles/art0134.html 150. http://www.accelerationwatch.com 151. http://www.newharvestorganics.com 152. http://www.lyricsdomain.com/18/rush/xanadu.html 153. http://www.lyricsdomain.com/18/rush/freewill.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050420/5c4116d9/attachment-0001.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 18:21:32 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Apr 20 18:21:40 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Do you know what the true science is, behind the phase locked loop, and its true topology? Message-ID: <20050421012132.63062.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> This is a copy of an e-mail that I sent to my broadcast engineering professor today; Could anyone out there on the list possibly also be able to help me with my question too??? Sincerly, Clyde Mr. Pesha, Do you have any knowledge of the suppressed science, behind the phase locked loop: Its true topology, and not the typical integrated symbolism nonsense crap, that is in all modern electrical and electronics books? Is the true circuit topology of a phase locked loop, only a tuned coil surrounding a tuned quartz crystal? And are you knowledgeable if high powered phase locked loops exist, that can be operated at high current/high voltage, in the 88, to 108 megacycle range of the broadcast spectrum? Sincerely, Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050420/9783f161/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 18:44:36 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Apr 20 18:44:58 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050421014436.93303.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> I've been away, Clyde. Recalling owning an older electronics dictionary, I checked my library. Still in disarray from moving (it's been seven years!), I found nothing. checking half.com I searched for "electronics dfictionary" which returned numerous possibilities, such as http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=2685373&domain_id=1856&meta_id=1 Older ones are much cheaper. Why not try a used bookshop in Tulsa? OK. THERE ARE TWO USED BOOKSTORES THAT I KNOW OF, HERE IN TULSA, THAT I CAN CHECK AND SEE. A MAJOR REASON WHY I AM SO INTERESTED AT THIS TIME, OF FINDING OLD ELECTRICAL, AND OLD ELECTRONICS DICTIONARIES, IS THAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING, FOR A VERY VERY FRUSTRATING AND DISTRESSING LONG TIME, TO FIND THE TRUE NATURE SECRET, BEHIND THE CIRCUIT TOPOLOGY DESIGN, OF ANTI-INTEGRATED, REAL MCCOY PHASE LOCKED LOOPS, SINCE I HAVE GROWN SO TIRED OF THE NEVERENDING SOLID STATE SYMBOL NONSENSE, OF THE PSEUDO DESIGN SCHEMATIC, WHICH IS ALWAYS REPRESENTED BY A DUMB AND USELESS WORTHLESS TRIANGLE, THAT IS MEANINGLESS TO A TRUE ENGINEER. A hypothesis exists that while vast numbers of planets bearing intelligent beings exist in the universe, we will probably never contact any. The supposition suggests that once civilizations develop the technology to communicate over interstellar space, they also have the technoplogy to destroy themselves...and they do. Thus, considering the size of the universe, even with a thousand trillion humanoid-inhabited planets, the chances of two being at the same development for a mere few hundred years is extremely low. Which is another way of saying that it's probably hopeless. All we can try is practicing the golden rule within our circle, improving our happiness and that of a fewe others temporarily. IF ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE IN THE FUTURE, WITH THE WORLD WAR THREE SCENARIO, DO YOU THINK THAT THE LORD WILL BLESS EVERYONE WITH A LIMITLESS 'OVER'DOSE OF PAINKILLERS, AND A SUFFICIENT DOSE OF CYANIDE TO END IT ALL??? IT ISN'T DEATH THAT I FEAR; IT IS THE PROCESS OF MANY FORMS OF DEATH THAT I FEAR! SINCERELY, CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050420/3c8b3bf5/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 21 04:19:11 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Apr 20 21:19:17 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply In-Reply-To: <20050421014436.93303.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 20, 2005 06:44:36 PM Message-ID: <20050421041911.1890.qmail@mall-net.com> > A MAJOR REASON WHY I AM SO INTERESTED AT THIS TIME, OF FINDING > OLD ELECTRICAL, AND OLD ELECTRONICS DICTIONARIES, IS THAT I HAVE > BEEN TRYING, FOR A VERY VERY FRUSTRATING AND DISTRESSING LONG > TIME, TO FIND THE TRUE NATURE SECRET, BEHIND THE CIRCUIT TOPOLOGY DESIGN, OF ANTI-INTEGRATED, REAL MCCOY PHASE LOCKED LOOPS, SINCE > I HAVE GROWN SO TIRED OF THE NEVERENDING SOLID STATE SYMBOL > NONSENSE, OF THE PSEUDO DESIGN SCHEMATIC, WHICH IS ALWAYS REPRESENTED BY A DUMB AND USELESS WORTHLESS TRIANGLE, THAT > IS MEANINGLESS TO A TRUE ENGINEER. I dunno, Clyde, I've got a friend who's an engineer, inventor, etc. (IQ above 190) who uses those symbols and the IC's as being so much simpler than building them himself. Maybe what you are seeking is the specifications behind the symbol, or some sense of concreteness that the symbol does not provide some layer of your mind. The mind can be really funny at times, tossing up something repeatedly as a way of asking for more information. Have you build anything with the IC Op Amps? Have you tried building them with transistors, and compared the results? > A hypothesis exists that while vast numbers of planets bearing > intelligent beings exist in the universe, we will probably never > contact any. The supposition suggests that once civilizations develop the > technology to communicate over interstellar space, they also have the > technoplogy to destroy themselves...and they do. Thus, considering the I think it more interesting to consider the difference between European civilization and African and Asian civilizations. I will summarize what I have heard and read; these are opinions, and others should feel free to argue about them. China reached a very stable state fairly early, with The Emperor ruling. Individual Chinese basically remained at a near subsistence farming level while The Emperor got a lot of custom made goods. There was no, what you might call a middle class with real freedoms to explore what they found interesting. Those who had ideas, had to apply to the Emperor for permission to develop them for the Emperor's amusement. In Africa, there were some civilizations as well... but most were socialistic, with little incentive for people to really explore and develop things. Both of these cut heavily into progress.. In Europe, there was more trade. Multiple kings, etc., but a lot of fighting too. The big break came with something to do with Cromwell and the rights of The People in England. This lead to more independence among the people. More entrepreneurial activity. England was known as "The Nation of Shopkeepers" for this. In many ways, this was also true in ancient Rome and ancient Athens. The people elected their own leaders (most of the time) and there was a lot of crafts type activity. Yet in both Rome and Athens, eventually dictatorial types won out, and the resulting economics no longer favored such risk taking, philosophy, etc. We in the USA took off from our English roots, and went slightly crazy with the concepts. And from that, we developed technologies to reach OUR OWN comforts, not those for some Emperor. What does this have to do with space fairing aliens? Well, if the socialist or dictator models win out, and there is fair evidence in our own history that they do much of the time, then the technology and economic energy to support space exploration is less likely than, say, in a robustly commercialized civilization. Heck, just look at how Johnson and Nixon gutted our space programs! We went to the moon, then just about threw it away! Also, our own space history begins long, long ago with many poets and tale spinners talking about going to the moon. Travel to the moon is kind of part of our sacred hopes and dreams. So if a planet does not have the kind of large moon we have, it is less likely that efforts will be made to reach out to space. Plus, evolution having been, in part, driven by the dry/wet cycles of the tides, the lack of a moon would likely substantially delay development of species which are capable of the kinds of intellectual craziness that we routinely engage in. Anyone else like to comment on this hypothesis? I mean, I could be full of beans. (Actually, legumes, beans are tomorrow on my rotating diet.) > size of the universe, even with a thousand trillion humanoid-inhabited > planets, the chances of two being at the same development for a mere > few hundred years is extremely low. > Which is another way of saying Pretty much rare. But also, if the speed of light is a serious barrier, then distance becomes almost insurmountable. For many of the explorers, what good is exploring if you can't come back and brag about it? Where's the prestige? Where's the adoration of those who use to be your peers? > that it's probably hopeless. All we can try is practicing the golden > rule within our circle, improving our happiness and that of a fewe others > temporarily. Biology aside, Life has no purpose other than that which you invest into it. You've got to put something in to get something out. > IF ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE IN THE FUTURE, WITH THE WORLD WAR > THREE SCENARIO, DO YOU THINK THAT THE LORD WILL BLESS > EVERYONE WITH A LIMITLESS 'OVER'DOSE OF PAINKILLERS, AND A > SUFFICIENT DOSE OF CYANIDE TO END IT ALL??? > IT ISN'T DEATH THAT I FEAR; IT IS THE PROCESS OF MANY FORMS OF > DEATH THAT I FEAR! It's easy to take your own life if you want to. Kind of a chicken approach... Daniel Mannis, "Mr. Clean" of New York politics, stabbed himself in the heart with a stake knife when the fact he was skimming lots of cash from the parking meters of New York appeared to be ready to come out. He did it while talking on the phone to one of his cronies, with his family in the other room watching TV. Too chicken to face the judge and jury. Some of Ceasar's cronies involved in the plot against him fell on their swords or ran into swords held by others. Death is easy. Living is harder, and far, FAR more Interesting! What will your life be like next year? Five years from now? Plan for those years, set goals, Give yourself A REASON to WANT to live! Because of a fungal infection overwhelming my liver with toxins, I spent two years in near isolation with a gas mask over my face in the mid 80's. No internet, no nothing! Looked kind of hopeless, but not completely. Yes, I set some review dates for suicide; but each time I reviewed the situation more formally, I felt there was something worth living for, hope something would change. And it did. Death should not be a spur-of-the-moment decision. The decision should carefully compare the pluses and minuses, the pain vs the hope. (Several of my friends had terminal illnesses. We went through this. They all died of "natural causes" rather than by their own hand.) Set review dates in the future. And don't even plan to do it on a review date, but a week afterward to give yourself the ability to change your mind. You're not that bad off, Clyde. Plenty of hope for the future for you. Besides, we don't have enough mad scientists on this list as it is. We'd hate to lose you. As for war, wars always come. As a species, we seem to survive them. It's interesting that democracies don't fight democracies. We've pretty much infected the rest of the world with Democracy. Except China... That's going to be a tough one. But... they might become democratic. I mean, who'd believe the Soviet Union was going to tumble? That was something for Clancy to write about, not to happen in the real world. Yet the firefight at the Russian White House that Clancy wrote in Red Storm Rising, happened. Hard to believe! But when you look at it, the larger the nation, the more people in the chain of command who have kids and families they would not wish a war to kill. Just as when you add more parts to a gadget, when you add more people to a system, it becomes less reliable, less able to carry out it's nefarious purposes. Especially nefarious purposes! The fiction of Fu Manchu is one thing, real life is quite another. Life is an adventure, Clyde! Even if just watching it unfold in the evening news. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 08:38:54 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Apr 22 08:39:07 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply In-Reply-To: <20050421041911.1890.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050422153854.66886.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > A MAJOR REASON WHY I AM SO INTERESTED AT THIS TIME, OF FINDING > OLD ELECTRICAL, AND OLD ELECTRONICS DICTIONARIES, IS THAT I HAVE > BEEN TRYING, FOR A VERY VERY FRUSTRATING AND DISTRESSING LONG > TIME, TO FIND THE TRUE NATURE SECRET, BEHIND THE CIRCUIT TOPOLOGY DESIGN, OF ANTI-INTEGRATED, REAL MCCOY PHASE LOCKED LOOPS, SINCE > I HAVE GROWN SO TIRED OF THE NEVERENDING SOLID STATE SYMBOL > NONSENSE, OF THE PSEUDO DESIGN SCHEMATIC, WHICH IS ALWAYS REPRESENTED BY A DUMB AND USELESS WORTHLESS TRIANGLE, THAT > IS MEANINGLESS TO A TRUE ENGINEER. I dunno, Clyde, I've got a friend who's an engineer, inventor, etc. (IQ above 190) who uses those symbols and the IC's as being so much simpler than building them himself. Maybe what you are seeking is the specifications behind the symbol, or some sense of concreteness that the symbol does not provide some layer of your mind. YES, THAT IS IT! THE CONCRETENESS BEHIND THE SYMBOL! THE REAL MCCOY SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, AND ENGINEERING, BEHIND THE NEVERENDING DUMBASS SYMBOL! The mind can be really funny at times, tossing up something repeatedly as a way of asking for more information. Have you build anything with the IC Op Amps? Have you tried building them with transistors, and compared the results? I'M NOT INTERESTED AT ALL, IN IC OP AMPS-CHINESE CHIPS! THE RINKY DINK INTEGRATED CRAP. I AM INTERESTED ONLY IN HIGH POWER: HIGH VOLTAGE, HIGH CURRENT, (AND IN CERTAIN CASES; HIGH FREQUENCY,) SOLID STATE, AND OTHER ELECTRONICS, AND ELECTRICAL TECHNOLOGY ENGINEERING! > A hypothesis exists that while vast numbers of planets bearing > intelligent beings exist in the universe, we will probably never > contact any. The supposition suggests that once civilizations develop the > technology to communicate over interstellar space, they also have the > technoplogy to destroy themselves...and they do. Thus, considering the I think it more interesting to consider the difference between European civilization and African and Asian civilizations. I will summarize what I have heard and read; these are opinions, and others should feel free to argue about them. China reached a very stable state fairly early, with The Emperor ruling. Individual Chinese basically remained at a near subsistence farming level while The Emperor got a lot of custom made goods. There was no, what you might call a middle class with real freedoms to explore what they found interesting. Those who had ideas, had to apply to the Emperor for permission to develop them for the Emperor's amusement. In Africa, there were some civilizations as well... but most were socialistic, with little incentive for people to really explore and develop things. Both of these cut heavily into progress.. In Europe, there was more trade. Multiple kings, etc., but a lot of fighting too. The big break came with something to do with Cromwell and the rights of The People in England. This lead to more independence among the people. More entrepreneurial activity. England was known as "The Nation of Shopkeepers" for this. In many ways, this was also true in ancient Rome and ancient Athens. The people elected their own leaders (most of the time) and there was a lot of crafts type activity. Yet in both Rome and Athens, eventually dictatorial types won out, and the resulting economics no longer favored such risk taking, philosophy, etc. We in the USA took off from our English roots, and went slightly crazy with the concepts. And from that, we developed technologies to reach OUR OWN comforts, not those for some Emperor. What does this have to do with space fairing aliens? Well, if the socialist or dictator models win out, and there is fair evidence in our own history that they do much of the time, then the technology and economic energy to support space exploration is less likely than, say, in a robustly commercialized civilization. Heck, just look at how Johnson and Nixon gutted our space programs! We went to the moon, then just about threw it away! YEAH, IT IS REALLY SHITTY THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS NOT PROGRESSED FURTHER, TECHNICALLY, IN SPACE! Also, our own space history begins long, long ago with many poets and tale spinners talking about going to the moon. Travel to the moon is kind of part of our sacred hopes and dreams. YEAH, THE U.S. NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE MOON, IN MY OPINION, AND DO MINING, AND OTHER THINGS. So if a planet does not have the kind of large moon we have, it is less likely that efforts will be made to reach out to space. Plus, evolution HOW ABOUT THE CO-EXISTANCE OF CREATION AND EVOLUTION? THAT IS THE WAY THAT I SEE IT. BUT MAYBE THAT IS A DANGEROUS STANCE TO TAKE; NOT ONLY ON MY BEHALF, BUT ALSO ON OTHERS BEHALF'S AS WELL. having been, in part, driven by the dry/wet cycles of the tides, the lack of a moon would likely substantially delay development of species which are capable of the kinds of intellectual craziness that we routinely engage in. INTELLECTUAL CRAZINESS IS GOOD; TO KEEP A FREE SOCIETY FREE! Anyone else like to comment on this hypothesis? I mean, I could be full of beans. (Actually, legumes, beans are tomorrow on my rotating diet.) I DON'T THINK I HAVE EVER HAD LEGUMES; PACAY BEANS; ICE CREAM BEANS, BY THEMSELVES, IN THEIR NATUAL FORMS. ARE THEY GOOD, BY THEMSELVES ALONE??? I RESEARCHED LEGUMES TWO THREE MONTH'S AGO, AT THE LIBRARY, BERFORE I GOT 24 INTERNET AT HOME. PACAY - INGA FEULLEI - FABACEAE. WHILE RESEARCHING NELUMBO NUCIFERA, I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT LEGUMINOSA, SINCE THERE WERE A FEW PRINTINGS THAT CATEGORIZED LEGUMINOSA IN WITH THE CATEGORY OF LOTUS! HERE IS A GOOD WEBLINK REGARDING PACAY'S, AND LEGUMES: http://home.att.net/~oc_crfg/alfredo-feb04.htm > size of the universe, even with a thousand trillion humanoid-inhabited > planets, the chances of two being at the same development for a mere > few hundred years is extremely low. > Which is another way of saying Pretty much rare. But also, if the speed of light is a serious barrier, then distance becomes almost insurmountable. For many of the explorers, what good is exploring if you can't come back and brag about it? Where's the prestige? Where's the adoration of those who use to be your peers? RIGHT ON! THE NAVIGATION OF SPACE AND TIME, I THINK, WILL HAVE TO BE MAPPED, USING TETRAHEDRAL GRIDWORK; MAYBE I'M WRONG; MAYBE THAT IS AN EXTREMIST POINT OF VIEW??? > that it's probably hopeless. All we can try is practicing the golden > rule within our circle, improving our happiness and that of a few others > temporarily. Biology aside, Life has no purpose other than that which you invest into it. You've got to put something in to get something out. > IF ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE IN THE FUTURE, WITH THE WORLD WAR > THREE SCENARIO, DO YOU THINK THAT THE LORD WILL BLESS > EVERYONE WITH A LIMITLESS 'OVER'DOSE OF PAINKILLERS, AND A > SUFFICIENT DOSE OF CYANIDE TO END IT ALL??? > IT ISN'T DEATH THAT I FEAR; IT IS THE PROCESS OF MANY FORMS OF > DEATH THAT I FEAR! It's easy to take your own life if you want to. Kind of a chicken approach... Daniel Mannis, "Mr. Clean" of New York politics, stabbed himself in the heart with a stake knife when the fact he was skimming lots of cash from the parking meters of New York appeared to be ready to come out. He did it while talking on the phone to one of his cronies, with his family in the other room watching TV. Too chicken to face the judge and jury. Some of Ceasar's cronies involved in the plot against him fell on their swords or ran into swords held by others. Death is easy. IT ISN'T MY WILL TO TAKE MY OWN LIFE; YET LIFE HURTS SO MUCH, FOR ME, THAT INSTEAD OF A STANDARD DRUG ADDICTION, I WILL TAKE THE EXTREMIST STANCE ON THIS ISSUE, AND SAY, THAT I NEED AN INFINITE "OVER"-DOSE OF PAINKILLERS TO GET ME THROUGH LIFE, INTO THE FUTURE NOW! PROGRESS IS IN EXTREME SLOW MOTION NOW, AND IT IS BOTH DISTRESSING, AND AS FRUSTRATING AS HELL! Living is harder, DAMN RIGHT! LIFE HAS BECOME AN ABSOLUTE OBSTACLE COURSE. ABSOLUTELY DIFFICULT. AND I DO GO AGAINST THE GRAIN, YET THAT IS STILL INSUFFICIENT. I NEED TO BLAST AGAINST THE GRAIN I GUESS! and far, FAR more Interesting! YES, MUCH OF LIFE IS VERY INTERESTING, BUT MUCH OF LIFE IS FULL OF CEASELESS SENSELESS NEVERENDING NONSENSE; PARTICULARLY IN THIS STUPID MODERN COMMERCIALISM CRAP SOCIETY THAT WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH; ITS CEASELESS BULLSHIT! What will your life be like next year? Five years from now? I INTEND FOR THEM TO BE EXCELLENT, YET I AM FLYING INTO THE FUTURE BEYOND FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET, AND CANNOT SLOW DOWN. I AM ASSIMILATING KNOWLEDGE THROUGH INTERNET RESEARCH AT SUCH A SPEED RATE OF TIME, THAT THE STRESS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE EARLY DEATH OF MY LIFE. Plan for those years, set goals, A FUTURE OF BROKEN PLANS! I'VE GOT PILES OF PAPER, THAT ARE FULL OF SO MANY GOALS, AND I AM MOST GENERALLY AT INFORMATION OVERLOAD AND COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN, BECAUSE OF THE NONSENSE OF MONEY. Give yourself A REASON to WANT to live! I'VE GOT PLENTY OF REASONS TO LIVE! BUT MONEY THOUGH, WANTS TO BE THE DEATH OF US ALL, I GUESS! Because of a fungal infection overwhelming my liver with toxins, I spent two years in near isolation with a gas mask over my face in the mid 80's. No internet, no nothing! Looked kind of hopeless, but not completely. Yes, I set some review dates for suicide; but each time I reviewed the situation more formally, I felt there was something worth living for, hope something would change. And it did. I HAVE BECOME AN ADRENALINE JUNKIE, AND I NEED TO BE DETOXED OF ALL NEUROTOXINS! I'VE BEEN NEGLECTING MY HEALTH FOR SUCH A LONG TIME, PURSUING MATERIAL GAINS, AND HAVE HAD TO SUFFER EXTENSIVELY, FROM BOTH LACK OF COMPLETION OF THE MATERIAL GAINS, AND PROJECTS, AS WELL AS FROM HEALTH PROBLEM TOO. Death should not be a spur-of-the-moment decision. The decision should carefully compare the pluses and minuses, the pain vs the hope. (Several of my friends had terminal illnesses. We went through this. They all died of "natural causes" rather than by their own hand.) Set review dates in the future. And don't even plan to do it on a review date, but a week afterward to give yourself the ability to change your mind. You're not that bad off, Clyde. Plenty of hope for the future for you. Besides, we don't have enough mad scientists on this list as it is. We'd hate to lose you. WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTIONS OF LEAVING THIS LIST; THIS IS ONE OF THE COOLEST PLACES THAT I HAVE FOUND ON THE NET! SOMETHING THAT I HOPE IS GOING TO BE COOL TONIGHT; I AM GOING TO GO TO THE ROCK CONCERT, FOR THE ROCK BAND; TESLA, NAMED AFTER THE SCIENTIST TESLA. I HOPE IT'S GOING TO BE A KICK ASS SHOW. I HAVEN'T GOT TO ATTEND VERY MANY ROCK CONCERTS IN MY LIFE. TESLA WILL BE PERFORMING AN ALL ACOUSTIC SHOW TONIGHT, HERE IN TULSA! As for war, wars always come. As a species, we seem to survive them. It's interesting that democracies don't fight democracies. We've pretty much infected the rest of the world with Democracy. Except China... That's going to be a tough one. But... they might become democratic. I mean, who'd believe the Soviet Union was going to tumble? That was something for Clancy to write about, not to happen in the real world. Yet the firefight at the Russian White House that Clancy wrote in Red Storm Rising, happened. Hard to believe! I WISH THIS COUNTRY WOULD BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT FROM THE OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. I GUESS FUTURE NUCLEAR WAR WITH COMMUNIST CRAP SHODDY S--T CHINA MIGHT JUST ACTUALLY HAPPEN OVER THE SHIT THAT WE ALL CALL OIL! But when you look at it, the larger the nation, the more people in the chain of command who have kids and families they would not wish a war to kill. Just as when you add more parts to a gadget, when you add more people to a system, it becomes less reliable, less able to carry out it's nefarious purposes. Especially nefarious purposes! The fiction of Fu Manchu is one thing, real life is quite another. Life is an adventure, Clyde! I WANT TO LIVE LIFE TO ITS FULLEST! AN INFINITE OBSTACLE COURSE STANDS FOREVER IN MY WAY! Even if just watching it unfold in the evening news. THE EVENING NEWS IS MOSTLY FULL OF SHIT! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050422/e03ffccd/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Apr 23 00:45:43 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Apr 22 17:45:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply In-Reply-To: <20050422153854.66886.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 22, 2005 08:38:54 AM Message-ID: <20050423004543.40379.qmail@mall-net.com> > I dunno, Clyde, I've got a friend who's an engineer, inventor, etc. > (IQ above 190) who uses those symbols and the IC's as being so much > simpler than building them himself. Maybe what you are seeking is the > specifications behind the symbol, or some sense of concreteness that the > symbol does not provide some layer of your mind. > YES, THAT IS IT! > THE CONCRETENESS BEHIND THE SYMBOL! > THE REAL MCCOY SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, AND ENGINEERING, > BEHIND THE NEVERENDING DUMBASS SYMBOL! I see you are not a programmer. Many sophisticated schematics would grow very large if we didn't simplify things to symbols. We do that all the time in programming using subroutine calls. Do you, perhaps, have some short term memory problems? That might explain some of the frustration in dealing with some types of symbology. > I AM INTERESTED ONLY IN HIGH POWER: HIGH VOLTAGE, HIGH CURRENT, > (AND IN CERTAIN CASES; HIGH FREQUENCY,) SOLID STATE, AND OTHER > ELECTRONICS, AND ELECTRICAL TECHNOLOGY ENGINEERING! Interesting. Perhaps also characteristic of trying to avoid having to worry about the details, whether the signal falls in this or that band, requiring this or that amplification factor. I've blown a number of IC's up myself. I'm not much good at electronics, just software. Some digital circuits, though. Digital is easy, more or less. But in the greater sense, a lot of life's stuff is in the details, subtilities, implications, etc. Look at some of the classical pastel or watercolor artworks. It's all in the subtility of the picture. Oils just don't have it. My mother use to paint in both oils and watercolors. The watercolors were far, far nicer. You might also look at some of Chiurlionis' works on the web. The brain is a chaos, the heart is a synchrony. The brain has a seizure when it synchronizes, the heart goes into fibrillation when it desynchronizes and becomes chaotic. We live in the statistical bright spots and shadows of caustics on the bottom of a pool of water, as tiny ripples bend the sun's rays, aligning them to create bright spots here, and darker spots there. Even a man's legacy is a statistical pattern of change upon the world; for seldom do we get free play to alter in a major way the winds blowing through humanities lives. Yet a few words of interest about this, an observation about that... well stated things live on. > Yet in both Rome and Athens, eventually dictatorial types won out, > and the resulting economics no longer favored such risk taking, > philosophy, etc. > YEAH, IT IS REALLY SHITTY THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS NOT > PROGRESSED FURTHER, TECHNICALLY, IN SPACE! Nixon's legacy... > YEAH, THE U.S. NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE MOON, IN MY OPINION, > AND DO MINING, AND OTHER THINGS. We don't know if that would be profitable. > HOW ABOUT THE CO-EXISTANCE OF CREATION AND EVOLUTION? Evolution and creationism are concepts used to describe how we got here, no more. We have but vague statistical evidence for the true path by which we got here. But what of it? Our destiny has passed more into our hands than in the hands of evolution. We create our own environments, reward those fulfilling our own desires. No longer does the prize go to the strongest, or the ones most able to withstand cold and famine. Those were the American Indians, and they lost to the social accumulations due to the creativity and curiosity of the Europeans. In other words, we had invented guns, and they hadn't. We had far more robust and capable systems of creating and distributing goods, etc. We might freeze to death trying to live the way they did; but we had enough intellectual capital, ideas turned into stoves, locomotives, etc. that didn't have to live as they did. > Anyone else like to comment on this hypothesis? I mean, I could > be full of beans. (Actually, legumes, beans are tomorrow on my rotating > diet.) > > I DON'T THINK I HAVE EVER HAD LEGUMES; PACAY BEANS; ICE CREAM Legumes are all of the beans, from peas to peanuts, azuki beans to yellow beans (and maybe some name beginning with z), with maybe 16,000 - 19,000 species with over 290 species eaten by man. Soy beans are common. You've probably eaten some form of legumes. > BEANS, BY THEMSELVES, IN THEIR NATUAL FORMS. > ARE THEY GOOD, BY THEMSELVES ALONE??? Protein and carbohydrates. Soy beans are commonly used to make tofu. Wildwood Natural Foods has some wonderful Soy Yogurt smoothies, loaded with good gut bacteria. In fact, if you think you have candida, these things are loaded with good gut bacteria and would really help fight the candida. Might do you some good. Just make sure you haven't avoided beans because of some allergies. > > size of the universe, even with a thousand trillion humanoid-inhabited > > planets, the chances of two being at the same development for a mere > > few hundred years is extremely low. > Which is another way of saying > > Pretty much rare. But also, if the speed of light is a serious > barrier, then distance becomes almost insurmountable. For many of the > explorers, what good is exploring if you can't come back and brag about > it? Where's the prestige? Where's the adoration of those who use to be > your peers? > > RIGHT ON! > THE NAVIGATION OF SPACE AND TIME, I THINK, WILL HAVE TO BE MAPPED, > USING TETRAHEDRAL GRIDWORK; MAYBE I'M WRONG; MAYBE THAT IS > AN EXTREMIST POINT OF VIEW??? "Mapped" is an interesting way of putting it. Mapping the methods of navigation, or the navigation itself. And a gridwork... well... as you look at maps, you see that much isn't really grids, but projections of surfaces... or multi-dimensional relationships Which brings to mind something about people who don't get enough sleep. They start thinking about grids, roots, spiderwebs. It's a sign of certain types of sleep deprivation. How much sleep are you getting? That may well be a part of the over-all problem, which manifests itself as pessimism, need for stimulants, relaxants, etc. > IT ISN'T MY WILL TO TAKE MY OWN LIFE; YET LIFE HURTS SO MUCH, FOR Good you plan to stay around. > ME, THAT INSTEAD OF A STANDARD DRUG ADDICTION, I WILL TAKE THE > EXTREMIST STANCE ON THIS ISSUE, AND SAY, THAT I NEED AN INFINITE > "OVER"-DOSE OF PAINKILLERS TO GET ME THROUGH LIFE, INTO THE > FUTURE NOW! I don't know... Real pain? Or psychic pain and fear of what is happening? fear of not being in control? > PROGRESS IS IN EXTREME SLOW MOTION NOW, AND IT IS BOTH > DISTRESSING, AND AS FRUSTRATING AS HELL! if you think it's slow now... it was a lot slower in the 1950's, which is a freight train roaring down the track compared to what went on in the Roman Empire! > LIFE HAS BECOME AN ABSOLUTE OBSTACLE COURSE. > ABSOLUTELY DIFFICULT. Difficult, but not absolutely. It wouldn't be interesting if it weren't difficult, and then we'd probably die of boredom. > AND I DO GO AGAINST THE GRAIN, YET THAT IS STILL INSUFFICIENT. > I NEED TO BLAST AGAINST THE GRAIN I GUESS! Why? > and far, FAR more Interesting! > > YES, MUCH OF LIFE IS VERY INTERESTING, BUT MUCH OF LIFE IS FULL OF > CEASELESS SENSELESS NEVERENDING NONSENSE; PARTICULARLY IN > THIS STUPID MODERN COMMERCIALISM CRAP SOCIETY THAT WE HAVE TO > PUT UP WITH; ITS CEASELESS BULLSHIT! Well, if we didn't have commercialism, we wouldn't have all the toys we have now, like TV, computers, etc. It's trying to find the needs and desires of the common man and woman, and then making something which they feel is worth buying. No one is forcing them to buy. > > What will your life be like next year? Five years from now? > > I INTEND FOR THEM TO BE EXCELLENT, YET I AM FLYING INTO THE FUTURE > BEYOND FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET, AND CANNOT SLOW DOWN. > I AM ASSIMILATING KNOWLEDGE THROUGH INTERNET RESEARCH AT SUCH > A SPEED RATE OF TIME, THAT THE STRESS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE > THE EARLY DEATH OF MY LIFE. I doubt it. > Plan for those years, set > goals, > > A FUTURE OF BROKEN PLANS! > I'VE GOT PILES OF PAPER, THAT ARE FULL OF SO MANY GOALS, AND I AM > MOST GENERALLY AT INFORMATION OVERLOAD AND COMMUNICATION > BREAKDOWN, BECAUSE OF THE NONSENSE OF MONEY. Plans are often abandoned when better things are seen. But plans set a direction, a perspective for the mind. I have yet to see a better way of distributing goods and services than the use of money as a medium of exchange. Of course, it can be a problem when one does not have enough. As I well know! > Give yourself A REASON to WANT to live! > > > I'VE GOT PLENTY OF REASONS TO LIVE! > BUT MONEY THOUGH, WANTS TO BE THE DEATH OF US ALL, I GUESS! Money itself can not want. > I HAVE BECOME AN ADRENALINE JUNKIE, AND I NEED TO BE DETOXED > OF ALL NEUROTOXINS! > > I'VE BEEN NEGLECTING MY HEALTH FOR SUCH A LONG TIME, PURSUING > MATERIAL GAINS, AND HAVE HAD TO SUFFER EXTENSIVELY, FROM BOTH > LACK OF COMPLETION OF THE MATERIAL GAINS, AND PROJECTS, AS WELL > AS FROM HEALTH PROBLEM TOO. > You're not that bad off, Clyde. Plenty of hope for the future for > you. Besides, we don't have enough mad scientists on this list as it > is. We'd hate to lose you. > > WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTIONS OF LEAVING THIS LIST; THIS IS ONE > OF THE COOLEST PLACES THAT I HAVE FOUND ON THE NET! Thankyou. > SOMETHING THAT I HOPE IS GOING TO BE COOL TONIGHT; I AM GOING > TO GO TO THE ROCK CONCERT, FOR THE ROCK BAND; TESLA, NAMED > AFTER THE SCIENTIST TESLA. Oy! Rock music! I absolutely HATE rock music! It's such an absurd way of destroying one's hearing! Classical music has so much more to it! There are wonderful military marches, and such delicate pieces like "Prelude to the Afternoon of the Faun" or some such work by Debussy, Sate's Gymnopedies and Gnossiens series... (which I probably mangled the spelling of) And Vivaldi has such stirring, brain stimulating music... Rock music? It's just such crap in comparison! > I WISH THIS COUNTRY WOULD BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT FROM > THE OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. I don't know. With all the crazy geniuses in this nation, I think we have a better chance than most other nations. I think nuclear, solar, and wind are the way to go. > I GUESS FUTURE NUCLEAR WAR WITH COMMUNIST CRAP SHODDY > S--T CHINA MIGHT JUST ACTUALLY HAPPEN OVER THE SHIT THAT WE ALL > CALL OIL! Who knows. But I don't think we will have a full nuclear exchange. > Life is an adventure, Clyde! > > I WANT TO LIVE LIFE TO ITS FULLEST! > AN INFINITE OBSTACLE COURSE STANDS FOREVER IN MY WAY! It's part of the adventure! > Even if just watching it unfold in > the evening news. > > THE EVENING NEWS IS MOSTLY FULL OF SHIT! That may be, but there are interesting things out there. Like the research just announced on the potential of human hibernation. Or the Shuttle soon to resume operation. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Apr 23 13:39:32 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 23 10:40:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply Message-ID: <1f2.865714d.2f9be254@aol.com> In a message dated 4/22/2005 8:46:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: > I WISH THIS COUNTRY WOULD BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT FROM > THE OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. I don't know. With all the crazy geniuses in this nation, I think we have a better chance than most other nations. I think nuclear, solar, and wind are the way to go. 888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 Can anyone explain to me why science is IGNORING tidal power. My dad once told me a story about FDR and his push for the BAY OF FUNDY work in Maine. Part of the WPA projects, the theory was that enough power could be produced to supply electricity to satisfy the then needs of the eastern sea board from Me. to Fl. and west to the Mississippi river. ( At that time, not now naturally ) Dad told me he had met people who worked on the project and the work had gone so far as installing Turbines. Work stopped on the project when WW2 came about. The whole shebang was placed in storage mode, the workers were re-routed to the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, in Kittery Me. where they actually produced one submarine every 6 weeks. A couple of months ago I read about a young man who won a LOT of money in a science fair by devising a machine that could generate electricity using tidal power. I wonder what happened to this young man, were his achievements placed aside by the oil cartel? His award money had to come from somewhere, he would feel indebted to the source or made to feel that way. Weather changes the wind patterns, clouds cover the sun and the axis of this planet changes the solar strength, nuclear power has so far been dependable, but what to do with the humungus amount of waste produced. Tidal power is the one constant this planet has thanks to our moon and gravity. No waste to dispose of, think of the jobs this would produce, The west coast, the east coast, how many miles of tidal area would this cover ? Iceland uses their thermal power to advantage, smart people. In old times the people of the far north used snow and ice to construct their shelters. I could find hundreds of examples of nations that turned a natural occurrence into benefit to the citizens. Regards Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050423/1e066bd3/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Apr 23 18:31:08 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Apr 23 11:31:11 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply In-Reply-To: <1f2.865714d.2f9be254@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 23, 2005 01:39:32 PM Message-ID: <20050423183108.76824.qmail@mall-net.com> > > I WISH THIS COUNTRY WOULD BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT FROM > > THE OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. > > I don't know. With all the crazy geniuses in this nation, I think > we have a better chance than most other nations. I think nuclear, > solar, and wind are the way to go. > 888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 > Can anyone explain to me why science is IGNORING tidal power. Return on Investment, aka ROI. Tidal power has several problems, the construction of massive dams, silt and sand, salt, and environmentalists. Something like the Bay of Fundy would require quite a structure to dam up, and a hefty number of turbines. or something to handle. > My dad once told me a story about FDR and his push for the BAY OF FUNDY work > in Maine. > > Part of the WPA projects, the theory was that enough power could be produced > to supply electricity to satisfy the then needs of the eastern sea board > from Me. to Fl. and west to the Mississippi river. ( At that time, not now > naturally ) (Yes, Our energy needs have gone up quite a bit, I think...) Can you imagine the environmentalists on something like that? There has been a lot of talk and plans for off-shore windmills around Cape Cod. Environmentalists are fighting against that one tooth and nail! (Ah, what's the alternative, coal, gas, and nuclear? Which is worse???) > A couple of months ago I read about a young man who won a LOT of money in a > science fair by devising a machine that could generate electricity using > tidal power. I wonder what happened to this young man, were his achievements > placed aside by the oil cartel? His award money had to come from somewhere, he > would feel indebted to the source or made to feel that way. First, our reporters are not very well educated, nor motivated. Some of the news articles I've seen about things that I have insider knowledge look like they are Public Relations stories by industry hacks, not objective news stories. So when a reporter writes about some new energy development, especially a non-science reporter... I have serious doubts taking it at face value. And by the time I hear of that story second or third hand... Ha Ha Ha! > Weather changes the wind patterns, clouds cover the sun and the axis of this > planet changes the solar strength, nuclear power has so far been dependable, > but what to do with the humungus amount of waste produced. Syntax error in reply... Unable to parse. > Tidal power is the one constant this planet has thanks to our moon and > gravity. No waste to dispose of, think of the jobs this would produce, The west > coast, the east coast, how many miles of tidal area would this cover ? First you have to survey the sand movement problems, This causes fear of major changes to local beaches. The construction of dams across estuaries and bays, which is what you have to do to really get a lot of power, will alter boating access, etc. Think of how all the local residents would oppose the loss of their private little docks and beaches, and subsequent reduction in property values. These dams will restrict fish movement, causing major changes in wetlands and tidal areas. Many species move in and out of these areas, feeding, laying eggs, etc. This alters fish, lobster, and other harvesting operations. These points will form alliances between environmentalists and local residents to oppose such things in major ways. We are already seeing this regarding plans for off-shore windmills around Cape Cod. Then you have the investment problems. Gas fired electric generation is made of proven technologies with known costs and known returns. Tidal? No one really knows what the costs would be to maintain the stuff. All new technologies, all new designs. No clear life cycle costs. Not even clear what the problems will be! Bottom line is that we haven't a clue! And investors demand a lot more than just a clue. That's why it would take an act of congress... and then what kind of people are going to come to the feeding trough? Right, Pigs with no intent for real success, just make it look like we're doing something, studying the problem... or trying to build it cheap with no real regard for it lasting, etc. I mean, just look what we did with the space shuttle. It's crap. It was over-designed in many ways to sell it to various interests for political support. As a result, it's way too big, too expensive to operate, etc. And it soaked up funds which might have gone to a lot of other research. Back in the 30's and 40's, we believed we could do anything! In the 50's we believed we could use nuclear power to dig another canal across Panama, or even Mexico. As we became wiser, we saw that technology wasn't suited for human use, at least not in that manner. > Iceland uses their thermal power to advantage, smart people. In old times > the people of the far north used snow and ice to construct their shelters. I > could find hundreds of examples of nations that turned a natural occurrence into > benefit to the citizens. Yep. It's also got a very different breed of people. Personally, I think we need to build some tidal generation systems, just to see what they would be capable of doing and what the total costs, monetary and ecological, would be. I think that the Bay of Fundy, Long Island Sound, portions of the greater San Francisco Bay area, and some other areas could be utilized quite effectively for tidal energy generation. But it's not going to happen. And even if it is effective for one thing, it will harm other uses. The reduction in mixing of waters can cause serious impacts, including stagnation and consequent build-up of decomposing organic matter. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Apr 23 14:51:34 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Apr 23 14:52:32 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply In-Reply-To: <20050423183108.76824.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050423215134.97267.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > I WISH THIS COUNTRY WOULD BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT FROM > > THE OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. I mean, just look what we did with the space shuttle. It's crap. I AGREE, 100%, THAT THE SPACE SHUTTLE IS CRAP! IT ISN'T THAT I HATE THE SPACE SHUTTLE, LIKE I ABSOLUTELY HATE PETROLEUM OIL, BUT THE SPACE SHUTTLE IS TOO DAMNED LARGE, AND TOO OVERKILL; PARTICULARLY IN ALL OF ITS INSTRUMENTATION. MY DECEASED FATHER FIRST WORKED FOR ROCKWELL INT., THEN FOR MCDONNELL DOUGLAS, AND AFTER MCDONNELL DOUGLAS LAID HIM OFF, HE EVENTUALLY WORKED FOR BOEING, BEFORE HIS DEATH IN 99'. HE CLAIMED THAT HE WAS THE MAIN ENGINEER FOR THE 'GRAPHITE' DESIGN, OF THE DOORS OF THE SPACE SHUTTLE, BUT I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A SKEPTIC OF THAT ACTUALLY BEING THE CASE, BECAUSE MY DAD ALWAYS TALKED A LOT OF SHIT, AND HYPED THINGS UP. HE GAVE ME A SPACE SHUTTLE MANUAL, FOR CHRISTMAS, BACK WHEN I WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, IN THE 80'S, BUT AT THAT AGE, IT WAS OF VERY LITTLE IMPORATANCE TO ME, BUT NOW, LOOKING BACK, I WISH THAT I WOULD HAVE KEPT THAT BOOK, BECAUSE I COULD POSSIBLY BENEFIT FROM IT, WHERE I AM AT NOW IN MY LIFE! ALSO, THE SPEAK AND SPELL THAT I HAD WHEN I WAS A KID; I WISH I WOULD HAVE KEPT THAT TOO, BECAUSE IT IS A COLLECTORS ITEM IN TODAY'S WORLD! OH WELL, I HAVE A DAMN GOOD SPEECH SYNTH NOW, THE D.C. AND D. TS2010X SPEECH SYNTHESIZER! I AM GOING TO KEEP IT FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE! It was over-designed in many ways to sell it to various interests for political support. As a result, it's way too big, too expensive to operate, etc. And it soaked up funds which might have gone to a lot of other research. Back in the 30's and 40's, we believed we could do anything! In the 50's we believed we could use nuclear power to dig another canal across Panama, or even Mexico. As we became wiser, we saw that technology wasn't suited for human use, at least not in that manner. > Iceland uses their thermal power to advantage, smart people. In old times > the people of the far north used snow and ice to construct their shelters. I > could find hundreds of examples of nations that turned a natural occurrence into > benefit to the citizens. Yep. It's also got a very different breed of people. Personally, I think we need to build some tidal generation systems, just to see what they would be capable of doing and what the total costs, monetary and ecological, would be. I think that the Bay of Fundy, Long Island Sound, portions of the greater San Francisco Bay area, and some other areas could be utilized quite effectively for tidal energy generation. But it's not going to happen. And even if it is effective for one thing, it will harm other uses. 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050423/c6c805bc/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Apr 24 22:44:33 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Apr 24 15:44:43 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Delayed reply In-Reply-To: <20050423215134.97267.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 23, 2005 02:51:34 PM Message-ID: <20050424224433.79882.qmail@mall-net.com> With all that's happened in the lsat two days, I forget if I replied to this. > OFF, HE EVENTUALLY WORKED FOR BOEING, BEFORE HIS DEATH IN 99'. > HE CLAIMED THAT HE WAS THE MAIN ENGINEER FOR THE 'GRAPHITE' > DESIGN, OF THE DOORS OF THE SPACE SHUTTLE, BUT I HAVE ALWAYS > BEEN A SKEPTIC OF THAT ACTUALLY BEING THE CASE, BECAUSE MY DAD > ALWAYS TALKED A LOT OF SHIT, AND HYPED THINGS UP. Some people are like that. I've just been given word that I ought to be looking to move to some other little spot elsewhere. Landlord is passing this property on to his offspring, who wantto build... Probably right were I am now. > HE GAVE ME A SPACE SHUTTLE MANUAL, FOR CHRISTMAS, BACK WHEN I > WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, IN THE 80'S, BUT AT THAT AGE, IT WAS > OF VERY LITTLE IMPORATANCE TO ME, BUT NOW, LOOKING BACK, I > WISH THAT I WOULD HAVE KEPT THAT BOOK, BECAUSE I COULD POSSIBLY > BENEFIT FROM IT, WHERE I AM AT NOW IN MY LIFE! It's a memento of your father's and your life. > ALSO, THE SPEAK AND SPELL THAT I HAD WHEN I WAS A KID; I WISH I > WOULD HAVE KEPT THAT TOO, BECAUSE IT IS A COLLECTORS ITEM IN > TODAY'S WORLD! Childhood toys take on new meaning as we age. I remember a large stack of comic books that got thrown away. They would probably have been worth quite a bit today. > OH WELL, I HAVE A DAMN GOOD SPEECH SYNTH NOW, THE D.C. AND D. > TS2010X SPEECH SYNTHESIZER! > I AM GOING TO KEEP IT FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE! But in the long run, things don't matter as much as you do. My parents fled the old country, leaving many, many things behind. One of their friends had just gotten new furniture, something he had wanted most of his life. He couldn't abandon that. And so when the soviets troops marched through... he died protecting his furniture. Not a bright thing to do. My grandfather was wealthy. And smart! They gathered up enough food, some cash, and left a lot of gold and silver, many in the form of old coins, beind in the house. Gold wasn't as valuable as food, nor their lives. With health and a mind, and a positive mental attitude you can always rebuild your life. One of my clients was recording and selling talks for an Alcoholics Anonymous group, and hired me to design a database system for them. As is my custom, I went to see what exactly was being produced, and how such a system could be used. In the course of that, I attended one or two full AA meetings and spent some time at other meetings to discuss the system with some of the other people who would use it. (Just for the record, I don't drink alcohol, never could stand the stuff, and this coming after my fungal illness, I am highly allergic to yeasts and yeast products. Not to mention the aldehydes and ketones given off by someone who's had too much to drink! Even the strong smell of beer is enough to drop my blood pressure to the point where I have to sit down. A major sore point up here where most of my neighbors are drunks.) The tales of how badly some of these people failed, sometimes literally waking up in the gutter; and how, once they got off alcohol, they managed to re-build their lives, were amazing! And came at just the right time for me, because I was trying to rebuild my own life after being sick for over three years. If you ever think all is done and hope is lost; just go to an AA meeting to listen to what others have survived. If the group sells tapes of the talks, buy some. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 15:55:38 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Apr 25 15:55:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE. Message-ID: <20050425225538.59617.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> IT'S INTERESTING WHAT I HAVE LEARNED, ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA LOTUS, AND THE ROSE. THE LOTUS REPRESENTS BOTH PURITY AND PERFECTION. THE ROSE REPRESENTS BOTH POISON AND PROTECTION. ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK THAT BOTH THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE, EQUALLY REPRESENT PEACE! IT IS VERY COOL, WHAT I HAVE LEARNED FROM MY STUDY OF THE LOTUS! THE ROSE IS AN EMETIC, MEANING THAT IT IS A VOMIT INDUCER, AND THE LOTUS ON THE OTHER HAND, IS 100% (WHOLISTICALLY) WHOLLY EDIBLE, AND IS USED AS A FOOD! CRAZY AND STRANGE, BUT VERY TRUE! CLYDE LOFTON. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050425/e569edf2/attachment.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 16:05:16 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Mon Apr 25 16:06:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050425230516.29916.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, my wife ( the witchy person in the relationship) says you can eat rose petals and rosehips. I've eaten rosehips before. neither of us has eaten the thorns. confused Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > > IT'S INTERESTING WHAT I HAVE LEARNED, ABOUT > THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA > LOTUS, AND THE ROSE. > THE LOTUS REPRESENTS BOTH PURITY AND PERFECTION. > THE ROSE REPRESENTS BOTH POISON AND PROTECTION. > ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK THAT BOTH THE LOTUS > AND THE ROSE, EQUALLY REPRESENT PEACE! > IT IS VERY COOL, WHAT I HAVE LEARNED FROM MY STUDY > OF THE LOTUS! > THE ROSE IS AN EMETIC, MEANING THAT IT IS A VOMIT > INDUCER, AND THE LOTUS ON THE OTHER HAND, IS 100% > (WHOLISTICALLY) WHOLLY EDIBLE, AND IS USED AS A > FOOD! > CRAZY AND STRANGE, BUT VERY TRUE! > > CLYDE LOFTON. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 26 01:43:48 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Apr 25 18:43:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE. In-Reply-To: <20050425230516.29916.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Apr 25, 2005 04:05:16 PM Message-ID: <20050426014348.53781.qmail@mall-net.com> > my wife ( the witchy person in the relationship) says > you can eat rose petals and rosehips. I've eaten > rosehips before. neither of us has eaten the thorns. Rosehips are a source of vitamin C, bioflavinoids, and a few other things. However, they can be far more irritating in quantity than pure vitamin C. > > IT'S INTERESTING WHAT I HAVE LEARNED, ABOUT > > THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA > > LOTUS, AND THE ROSE. > > THE LOTUS REPRESENTS BOTH PURITY AND PERFECTION. There is also symbology of not being fully conscious. > > THE ROSE REPRESENTS BOTH POISON AND PROTECTION. The thorns, some royal house, etc. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 19:47:22 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Apr 25 19:48:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050426024722.904.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> > my wife ( the witchy person in the relationship) says > you can eat rose petals and rosehips. I've eaten > rosehips before. neither of us has eaten the thorns. DID YOU FEEL SICK AT YOUR STOMACH, AT ALL, AFTERWARDS, WHEN YOU ATE THE ROSEHIPS??? Rosehips are a source of vitamin C, bioflavinoids, and a few other things. However, they can be far more irritating in quantity than pure vitamin C. > > IT'S INTERESTING WHAT I HAVE LEARNED, ABOUT > > THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA > > LOTUS, AND THE ROSE. > > THE LOTUS REPRESENTS BOTH PURITY AND PERFECTION. There is also symbology of not being fully conscious. DREAMY INDOLENCE, ACCORDING TO THE LEGEND THAT I HAVE READ ABOUT, IN DEFINITIONS! > > THE ROSE REPRESENTS BOTH POISON AND PROTECTION. The thorns, some royal house, etc. YEAH, I DIDN'T EXPAND ON MY MENTION OF THE WORD: PROTECTION. PROTECTION IN THE SENSE OF THE THORNS BEING A DEFENSE 'MECHANISM'! AND REGARDING THE POISON PART; POISON RELATING TO THE VOMIT INDUCING NATURE OF ROSE WATER. I PURCHASED A BOTTLE OF ROSE WATER, AND DRANK AN AMOUNT THAT WAS MORE THAN A FEW DROPS; MORE LIKE TWO SHOT GLASSES WORTH OF IT; I DIDN'T VOMIT AFTERWARDS, BUT IF I WOULD HAVE DRANK JUST THE SLIGHTEST BIT MORE, I WOULD HAVE DEFINATELY VOMITED! I LOVE THE SMELL OF ROSES AND THE SMELL OF ROSE WATER, BUT IT ISN'T GOOD FOR CONSUMPTION, UNLESS VOMITING IS SOMETHING THAT IS REQUIRED, AS IN SOME FORM OF INTOXICATING EMERGENCIES. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050425/8d315f9f/attachment.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 19:50:23 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Mon Apr 25 19:50:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050426025023.67483.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> clyde, no sickness. where did you get your info? Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > > > my wife ( the witchy person in the relationship) > says > > you can eat rose petals and rosehips. I've eaten > > rosehips before. neither of us has eaten the > thorns. > > DID YOU FEEL SICK AT YOUR STOMACH, AT ALL, > AFTERWARDS, > WHEN YOU ATE THE ROSEHIPS??? > > Rosehips are a source of vitamin C, bioflavinoids, > and a few other > things. However, they can be far more irritating in > quantity than pure > vitamin C. > > > > IT'S INTERESTING WHAT I HAVE LEARNED, ABOUT > > > THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA > > > LOTUS, AND THE ROSE. > > > THE LOTUS REPRESENTS BOTH PURITY AND PERFECTION. > > There is also symbology of not being fully > conscious. > > DREAMY INDOLENCE, ACCORDING TO THE LEGEND THAT I > HAVE > > READ ABOUT, IN DEFINITIONS! > > > > THE ROSE REPRESENTS BOTH POISON AND PROTECTION. > > The thorns, some royal house, etc. > > YEAH, I DIDN'T EXPAND ON MY MENTION OF THE WORD: > PROTECTION. > > PROTECTION IN THE SENSE OF THE THORNS BEING A > DEFENSE > > 'MECHANISM'! > > AND REGARDING THE POISON PART; POISON RELATING TO > THE > > VOMIT INDUCING NATURE OF ROSE WATER. > > I PURCHASED A BOTTLE OF ROSE WATER, AND DRANK AN > AMOUNT > > THAT WAS MORE THAN A FEW DROPS; MORE LIKE TWO SHOT > > GLASSES WORTH OF IT; I DIDN'T VOMIT AFTERWARDS, BUT > IF I WOULD > > HAVE DRANK JUST THE SLIGHTEST BIT MORE, I WOULD HAVE > > DEFINATELY VOMITED! > > I LOVE THE SMELL OF ROSES AND THE SMELL OF ROSE > WATER, BUT IT ISN'T > > GOOD FOR CONSUMPTION, UNLESS VOMITING IS SOMETHING > THAT IS > > REQUIRED, AS IN SOME FORM OF INTOXICATING > EMERGENCIES. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Vesta111 at aol.com Tue Apr 26 05:52:15 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 26 02:52:28 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE. Message-ID: <15d.4fad354b.2f9f694f@aol.com> The lotus is very interesting to the people who delve into the mysteries of Egypt. Seen everywhere in ancient Egypt, huge stone pillars to the tomb paintings. The lotus plant of that time is now extinct, we do have a few rare plants that are close but not the real deal. Some experts believe the lotus had a chemical that caused a reaction in humans, a Viagra of sorts. What ever it was, the entire nation of Egypt went ga-ga over the plant. The Chinese and Indian populations also seemed to be in love with the lotus. Strange that a flower of one species would become the basis of songs, love stories, art, tapestries and sculpture in the ancient world. Then you have the rose, in the latter part of the 19th. century the British and Americans went a bit daft over their roses. Today a new specie of rose is given much publicity and fan fare. The amount of money spent to cultivate the rose plants boggles my mind. The time and energy to maintain the plants is a bit excessive. Perhaps human nature has not changed in the last 5,000 years when it comes to beauty. Regards, Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050426/373502e1/attachment-0001.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 07:19:10 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Apr 26 07:19:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050426141910.28045.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Robert Juliano wrote: clyde, no sickness. where did you get your info? VARIOUS INTERNET SOURCES, AND SOME BOOKS, ALTHOUGH THE INTERNET IS FULL OF THE BEST INFORMATION ON NELUMBO NUCIFERA! THE REASON FOR MY CURIOUSITY ABOUT THE LOTUS, IS FROM THE SONG: FREEWILL, BY THE ROCK BAND: RUSH. IT MENTIONS LOTUSLAND IN THE SONG, AND I WANTED TO FIND OUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE LOTUS FLOWER! I WILL BE FINISHING PART THREE OF MY LISTS OF WEBLINKS HOPEFULLY THIS WEEK, AND IT WILL HAVE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON NELUMBO NUCIFERA. CLYDE Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > > > my wife ( the witchy person in the relationship) > says > > you can eat rose petals and rosehips. I've eaten > > rosehips before. neither of us has eaten the > thorns. > > DID YOU FEEL SICK AT YOUR STOMACH, AT ALL, > AFTERWARDS, > WHEN YOU ATE THE ROSEHIPS??? > > Rosehips are a source of vitamin C, bioflavinoids, > and a few other > things. However, they can be far more irritating in > quantity than pure > vitamin C. > > > > IT'S INTERESTING WHAT I HAVE LEARNED, ABOUT > > > THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA > > > LOTUS, AND THE ROSE. > > > THE LOTUS REPRESENTS BOTH PURITY AND PERFECTION. > > There is also symbology of not being fully > conscious. > > DREAMY INDOLENCE, ACCORDING TO THE LEGEND THAT I > HAVE > > READ ABOUT, IN DEFINITIONS! > > > > THE ROSE REPRESENTS BOTH POISON AND PROTECTION. > > The thorns, some royal house, etc. > > YEAH, I DIDN'T EXPAND ON MY MENTION OF THE WORD: > PROTECTION. > > PROTECTION IN THE SENSE OF THE THORNS BEING A > DEFENSE > > 'MECHANISM'! > > AND REGARDING THE POISON PART; POISON RELATING TO > THE > > VOMIT INDUCING NATURE OF ROSE WATER. > > I PURCHASED A BOTTLE OF ROSE WATER, AND DRANK AN > AMOUNT > > THAT WAS MORE THAN A FEW DROPS; MORE LIKE TWO SHOT > > GLASSES WORTH OF IT; I DIDN'T VOMIT AFTERWARDS, BUT > IF I WOULD > > HAVE DRANK JUST THE SLIGHTEST BIT MORE, I WOULD HAVE > > DEFINATELY VOMITED! > > I LOVE THE SMELL OF ROSES AND THE SMELL OF ROSE > WATER, BUT IT ISN'T > > GOOD FOR CONSUMPTION, UNLESS VOMITING IS SOMETHING > THAT IS > > REQUIRED, AS IN SOME FORM OF INTOXICATING > EMERGENCIES. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050426/271ccb93/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 07:46:09 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Apr 26 07:46:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE. In-Reply-To: <15d.4fad354b.2f9f694f@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050426144609.95047.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote:The lotus is very interesting to the people who delve into the mysteries of Egypt. YEAH, BUT THE LOTUS OF ANCIENT EGYPT WAS ACTUALLY THE NYMPHAEAE WATER LILLY, AND THE NELUMBO (NUCIFERA) IS DIFFERENT. NELUMBO HAS A SEED POD IN ITS CENTER THAT IS ACTUALLY A FRUIT. I HAVEN' GOT TO TRY IT YET, BUT FROM WHAT I HAVE READ, IT IS SAID THAT THE CHEMICAL AND/OR HORMONAL REACTION IN HUMANS WILL PRODUCE A FEELING OF JOY THAT PERMEATES THE WHOLE BODY, EMANATING FROM EVERY CELL, AND BEING DELIGHTFULLY WONERFUL, AND LASTING SOME TIME. WHETHER THIS IS ACTUALLY TRUE OR NOT, EXPERIENCE WILL ONLY TELL! Seen everywhere in ancient Egypt, huge stone pillars to the tomb paintings. The lotus plant of that time is now extinct, we do have a few rare plants that are close but not the real deal. THE BLUE (LOTUS (ACTUALLY) WATER LILLY OF THE NILE. Some experts believe the lotus had a chemical that caused a reaction in humans, a Viagra of sorts. What ever it was, the entire nation of Egypt went ga-ga over the plant. The Chinese and Indian populations also seemed to be in love with the lotus. Strange that a flower of one species would become the basis of songs, love stories, art, tapestries and sculpture in the ancient world. THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA IS HIGHLY REVERED BY THE BUDDHISTS, AND THE INDIANS OF INDIA. NELUMBO NUCIFERA IS ALSO THE NATIONAL SYMBOL OF INDIA. Then you have the rose, in the latter part of the 19th century the British and Americans went a bit daft over their roses. Today a new specie of rose is given much publicity and fan fare. The amount of money spent to cultivate the rose plants boggles my mind. The time and energy to maintain the plants is a bit excessive. I WISH THE WESTERN WORLD WOULD EXPEND AS MUCH ENERGY CULTIVATING NELUMBO NUCIFERA, AS THEY DO, OVER IN INDIA, AND IN ASIA! HERE ARE TWO WEBLINKS ON THE THIRD LIST OF WEBLINKS THAT I AM COMPILING: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelumbo_nucifera http://store.asianfoodstuff.com/1462.html Perhaps human nature has not changed in the last 5,000 years when it comes to beauty. THE LOTUS; NELUMBO NUCIFERA MUST BE ONE OF THE BEST KEPT SECRETS IN THE WESTERN WORLD TODAY! SINCERELY, CLYDE Regards, Vesta __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050426/aced73c0/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 10:10:33 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Apr 26 10:10:46 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality, In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050426171034.49767.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> > 3.) you could start work on a space craft > http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm > http://142.179.222.23/main.html > http://arocket.mid-south.net/arocket1/ YEAH, I'D LIKE TO BUILD A SMALL SCALE SPACESHIP, BUT THAT'S NOT ALL; I WANT TO BUILD PERFECT REDUNDANT MICRO POWERPLANTS TOO; FOR BOTH GROUND, AND FOR SPACESHIP. You would send this in the evening... I got lost in my past again! Model rockety... I could smell the sulphury exhaust fumes, see the old stuff flying again... my crude, fumble fingered models, rarely painted more than one color, if that... each built more to prove a point, than for art or altitude. I guess my favorite was the H, fin rocket, because it was so easy to glue two parallel fins on, then two across the ends in a double cross-bar H pattern. CAN VERY LARGE ROCKET ENGINES BE OBTAINED FROM A LOCAL HOBBY SHOP? I KNOW OF TWO HOBBY SHOPS HERE IN TULSA, ONE OF THEM IS NOT VERY FAR FROM WHERE I LIVE. RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY A ROCKET ENGINE. WOULD GYROSCOPES BE REQUIRED, TO KEEP THE ROCKET ON STABLIZED, ON A STRAIT TRAJECTORY INTO THE SKY??? And marvel at some of the new stuff! Barometric Altimeters that chirp the altitude! SOUNDS COOL, I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO BAROMETRIC ALTIMETERS, IF I CAN FIND THE TIME, AND THE MONEY TO DO SO. I loved launching the stuff! I founded a rocket club in my early teens by just inviting a huge bunch of kids together, and showing them what I got, how where to get the stuff and how to make the stuff. It just took off! We didn't have a president; whoever's house we met at, had to organize and run the meeting. The club ran till we graduated five or six years later. That taught me not the science I already loved; it taught me how to organize and lead people. That was something that seemed not very useful at that age; but when I walked into the corporate world, I already knew what to do in meetings, knew it better than many engineers twice my age. The skills of participating and running meetings where people, kids or adults, really argued about technical details made a huge difference in my later life! Thanks! It's three am... and I think I'm more than 15 years old again. Darned! But at least I'm a lot smarter than I was then. The things we would have done if we but had half the stuff we have now! Gads, just an oscillator blinking a LED with some precision, laying down a trace on a photograph at night would have made Al's flight calculus stuff really meaningful to many of us. OK! SINCERELY, CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050426/38511009/attachment.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 10:46:13 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Apr 26 10:46:21 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality, In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050426174613.67386.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, for solid rocket fuel engines above a certain size (G, I believe) you need to have an ATF permit. gyroscopes are indeed a very good idea. so is a navigation system. many libraries can help figure out the navigation system needed. Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > > > > 3.) you could start work on a space craft > > http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm > > http://142.179.222.23/main.html > > http://arocket.mid-south.net/arocket1/ > > > YEAH, I'D LIKE TO BUILD A SMALL SCALE SPACESHIP, BUT > THAT'S > > NOT ALL; I WANT TO BUILD PERFECT REDUNDANT MICRO > > POWERPLANTS TOO; FOR BOTH GROUND, AND FOR SPACESHIP. > > You would send this in the evening... I got lost in > my past again! > Model rockety... I could smell the sulphury exhaust > fumes, see the old > stuff flying again... my crude, fumble fingered > models, rarely painted > more than one color, if that... each built more to > prove a point, than > for art or altitude. > > I guess my favorite was the H, fin rocket, because > it was so > easy to glue two parallel fins on, then two across > the ends in a double > cross-bar H pattern. > > > CAN VERY LARGE ROCKET ENGINES BE OBTAINED FROM A > LOCAL > > HOBBY SHOP? > > I KNOW OF TWO HOBBY SHOPS HERE IN TULSA, ONE OF THEM > IS > > NOT VERY FAR FROM WHERE I LIVE. > > RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY A ROCKET > ENGINE. > > WOULD GYROSCOPES BE REQUIRED, TO KEEP THE ROCKET ON > > STABLIZED, ON A STRAIT TRAJECTORY INTO THE SKY??? > > > And marvel at some of the new stuff! Barometric > Altimeters that > chirp the altitude! > > > SOUNDS COOL, I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO BAROMETRIC > ALTIMETERS, IF I > > CAN FIND THE TIME, AND THE MONEY TO DO SO. > > > I loved launching the stuff! I founded a rocket club > in my early > teens by just inviting a huge bunch of kids > together, and showing them > what I got, how where to get the stuff and how to > make the stuff. It > just took off! We didn't have a president; whoever's > house we met at, > had to organize and run the meeting. The club ran > till we graduated > five or six years later. That taught me not the > science I already loved; > it taught me how to organize and lead people. That > was something that > seemed not very useful at that age; but when I > walked into the > corporate world, I already knew what to do in > meetings, knew it better > than many engineers twice my age. The skills of > participating and > running meetings where people, kids or adults, > really argued about > technical details made a huge difference in my later > life! > > Thanks! It's three am... and I think I'm more than > 15 years old > again. Darned! But at least I'm a lot smarter than I > was then. The > things we would have done if we but had half the > stuff we have now! > Gads, just an oscillator blinking a LED with some > precision, laying down > a trace on a photograph at night would have made > Al's flight calculus > stuff really meaningful to many of us. > > OK! > > SINCERELY, CLYDE > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Apr 26 14:22:06 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Apr 26 11:22:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc. Message-ID: <009601c54a8c$db564c70$6401a8c0@mikey> The German V-2 used Goddard's liquid fueled engine, adjustable fins on the exhaust, and a gyroscopic system to control them. Today's rockets use adjustable exhaust discharge nozzles, controlled by simple analog or digital computers. Surplus gyroscopes from ballistic missiles are available at http://www.cheaperthandirt.com. But you'd better hurry! I heard that Al-Quaeda is snapping them up! But reaction propulsion is not going to take us to the stars. It is simply impossible to carry enough mass to eject from the craft to accomplish this. Use relativistic bending of space, aka gravity, to provide reactionless propulsion. It takes incredible power- provided by low-temperature fusion. Several experimenters have demonstrated reactionless propulsion, on a small scale, using EM fields to bend space. From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 26 18:51:13 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Apr 26 11:51:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality, In-Reply-To: <20050426171034.49767.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 26, 2005 10:10:33 AM Message-ID: <20050426185113.29671.qmail@mall-net.com> > > 3.) you could start work on a space craft > > http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm > > http://142.179.222.23/main.html > > http://arocket.mid-south.net/arocket1/ > > > YEAH, I'D LIKE TO BUILD A SMALL SCALE SPACESHIP, BUT THAT'S > NOT ALL; I WANT TO BUILD PERFECT REDUNDANT MICRO > POWERPLANTS TOO; FOR BOTH GROUND, AND FOR SPACESHIP. What's the fuel...And how expensive is it? You can always make the perfect power plant from pure unobtanium, but it's un-obtain-ium. And once you obtain it, thermodynamics, materials properties, etc. tend to place limits on one's imagination. > CAN VERY LARGE ROCKET ENGINES BE OBTAINED FROM A LOCAL > HOBBY SHOP? Depends upon what you call "large". There is some limit on shipping via UPS. I think class E might be marginal. E is a pound or so for maybe three seconds, if I recall correctly. Might be less than a pound of thrust. In modern suburban settings, the art of rocketry is to get a small rocket with a small engine up a few hundred feet, and back again. In my day, we'd find larger lots and try for a few thousand feet. > I KNOW OF TWO HOBBY SHOPS HERE IN TULSA, ONE OF THEM IS > NOT VERY FAR FROM WHERE I LIVE. > > RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY A ROCKET ENGINE. > WOULD GYROSCOPES BE REQUIRED, TO KEEP THE ROCKET ON > STABLIZED, ON A STRAIT TRAJECTORY INTO THE SKY??? Since it is launched in the air, fins are enough. There are other groups launching larger rockets in Nevada and places like that. But there is little science to be gained from this. It's mostly just the thrill of watching the rocket go up. Many of the small rocket hobbyists spend hours painting their rockets, or modeling them after real rockets. If you enjoy that kind of detail work, fine. I don't. For me, it was seeing how things worked, reaching the goal of launching mice or eggs, etc. And of course, the thrill of seeing something you built leap for the sky. After spending a year near Cape Canaveral on the Space Coast of Florida, fireworks were just... a waste to me, because they blew up instead of going on into space. I'd seen the Real Thing! And it made all these toys look like... just toys. It was the winter of 1976, I think, I was out on an interview for a tech company. I was standing on the balcony of the Dutch Inn in Palm Bay one night, waiting for a launch the desk clerk had told me about. Thin stratus clouds were moving in from the north. The moon was out, casting its pale light upon the flat clouds. I saw a spark of light rise slowly from the ground, gathering speed. As it reached the clouds, it lit them up in a glorious display. It felt to me that mankind's sacred hopes and dreams had been given light. The spark passed the clouds and soon, its job done, went out. The launch was a success; a new satellite was coasting toward orbit around the earth. This was the most beautiful launch I ever saw. I think it was a mundane weather satellite, even then an everyday thing protecting our people by warning them of oncoming storms. One night, I'd already taken my contact lenses out and was in bed when the windows started shaking as I heard a distant roar. Without glasses, I felt it wasn't worth getting up; but the roar kept getting louder and louder, telling me I had made a mistake not getting up. But it wa too late. A giant military satellite had been launched that night. The press had not been told, so we hadn't had any warning. the only other good thing about florid was the cheap seafood. It didn't pay to cook my own meals, I could go and have better for less at just about any of the local restaraunts. Then again, I was a high tech person and wasn't earning typical redneck starvation wages. Florida was hell for the heat, humidity, and insects. Not to mention the "singing cackling witches", the crocodiles in the drainage canals, keeping us up all night during mating season. (We had to have chain linked fences along the canals to keep them out of our yards.) But there were a few moments... there were a few rare moments when rockets went up. When my work was done a year later, I thanked everyone, turned down several job offers, gladly packed my stuff and drove back to Connecticut, saying I'd never return to Florida if I had any other options. I hated the place! Heat! Bugs! Humidity! Mold! Stupid people! Electricity that failed at least once a week! And a storm season that made one feel shell shocked for the nighly bombardment of lightning bolts and thunder from destroyer shaped clouds moving slowly over our community, shaking all the houses. Night after Night after Night!!! I was in the newspaper that it actually drove some people nuts. One night, I almost, almost loaded up my car and fled north. I just could not take it any more! (Had to up the B vitamins in my diet. Once I did that, I could take it, but I certainly wasn't happy about it. Amazing what a bad diet can do to you.) I still hate Florida. Wish I'd never gone there. That was the most beautiful sight that I saw in Florida! That and sunrise glinting off some island in the Indian River with a barge parked up on it, and someone living in it. It looked so romantic. Wish I'd never seen that launch, never seen that barge, because they were two key things that persuaded me this was the place to be, the place to stay. I hate Florida! No culture, no civilization, no nothing out where I was! Just yahoos and rednecks! And a few tired retirees. And hours of driving to get anywhere to buy anything! Crap! Crap! Crap! Gads, I didn't realize till I started thinking about it how much I Hated Florida! I could go on and on and on and on all day blasting that place! I hate Florida! (Of course, Ohio wasn't that much better; but at least I got to walk through that aeronautical museum in Dayton.) You know, I think I hated just about every place I lived till I ended up in Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley has electronics stores like Fry's Electronics, cram packed with all kinds of computer components, electronic parts, etc. The problem is, computers are not high tech anymore. They are nothing but data shlarbs, slaves schlepping data back and forth. No exclusiveness, no mystery, no nothing. Not even blinking lights on the front panel anymore. Sad what's become of the computer revolution. Today, anyone can walk into a store and buy the equivalent of a hundred million dollar computers for less than the price of a car. you can even do that at Radio Slock!!! Even Igor can buy a computer and run it for the purpose of watching pronorgafy and stoln msuic on the internet! The revolution has gotten away from us! The horror of it all!!! (Laughing!) Yes, it is a bit of a let down from the days it was so cool to be working in an air conditioned data center while the rest of the peons baked in the summer sun. We've come a long way in 50 years. A very, very long way. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 26 18:56:24 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Apr 26 11:56:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc. In-Reply-To: <009601c54a8c$db564c70$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Apr 26, 2005 02:22:06 PM Message-ID: <20050426185624.34190.qmail@mall-net.com> > The German V-2 used Goddard's liquid fueled engine, adjustable fins on the > exhaust, and a gyroscopic system to control them. Today's rockets use > adjustable exhaust discharge nozzles, controlled by simple analog or digital > computers. Yes, but those were big rockets. We were talking about model rockets, things less than a foot or three tall. > But reaction propulsion is not going to take us to the stars. It is simply > impossible to carry enough mass to eject from the craft to accomplish this. Not a fast track, at any rate. We;ve used gravity slings of other planets. What we need, is some way of warping the surface of space, then building something that mates with that like a tractor tread mates with soft earth. I've often wondered if you could not get something out of matched orbiting black holes with a second pair offset, so that it would make something of the ripples created by the first pair. Now that's mad science! Not just scientists gone mad, especially about the junk they put up with in some moldy nearly below the water state that will probably disappear from rising sea levels in the next century or two. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 26 19:20:04 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Apr 26 12:20:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE LOTUS AND THE ROSE. In-Reply-To: <20050426144609.95047.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 26, 2005 07:46:09 AM Message-ID: <20050426192004.54764.qmail@mall-net.com> > I HAVEN' GOT TO TRY IT YET, BUT FROM WHAT I HAVE READ, IT IS SAID THAT THE > CHEMICAL AND/OR HORMONAL REACTION IN HUMANS WILL PRODUCE A FEELING > OF JOY THAT PERMEATES THE WHOLE BODY, EMANATING FROM EVERY CELL, > AND BEING DELIGHTFULLY WONERFUL, AND LASTING SOME TIME. > WHETHER THIS IS ACTUALLY TRUE OR NOT, EXPERIENCE WILL ONLY TELL! > THE NELUMBO NUCIFERA IS HIGHLY REVERED BY THE BUDDHISTS, AND THE > INDIANS OF INDIA. I have experienced the classical Buddhist Nirvana. it does not take much, just enough iodine (from dulse, for example) and tyrosine. As one develops enough dopamine, and the iodine shunts tyrosine to the thyroid pathway, one begins to feel warm and comfortable. Warning: Tyrosine can also be converted to Phenylalinine, making one nervous as all hell. It can also be converted to adrenaline, making one paranoid, highly excitable, etc. This is NOT recommended without appropriate guides, people to take care of you if you become paranoid, etc. I think part of the reason you have a Buddhist priesthood, is to weed out those with paranoid tendencies and to make one feel safe enough. I saw the world as if engraved in liquid silver... All the time, the back of my mind kept telling me I was in a mental straight jacket, unable to think in common sense engineering terms! I was parked in the mountains, resting late in the evening. And I had to take a leak... Now, here I am in the woods on a dirt road (probably a mile or two from here). I want to take a leak real bad. And the woods look.. the road is engraved in liquid silver. This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. It's the woods. I have to take a leak! This is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen! Bears and bobcats take leaks in the woods!!! I need to take a leak!!! Liquid silver, the sky... glowing clouds in the distance... The god damned bears poop in the woods! I need to take a LEAK!!! How could I ever despoil this hallowed natural beauty.... You are parked in a puddle of mud with rotting chopped down trees all around you!!! In the end, I started the car and drove an hour to get to a toilet. Nirvana is another word for Brain Dead Mental Stupor!!! Everyone out here goes out and takes a leak in the woods!!! The ultimate mind set is that of an Engineer! For him, the world exists not as it is and has been for Millenia, but as it may yet be to comfort and support him and his family, and the rest of society. if not for the engineer, we would all be in squalid bark thatched huts freezing in the cold of winter. Do not be a brain dead monk or lotus eater, for those are things too easy for us all to become. It is to us, to honor our lives and selves, to see what we can create with our minds and our hands. That is the ultimate potential of humanity. Yet so few even reach out for it, much less attain it! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 26 20:02:45 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Apr 26 13:02:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality, In-Reply-To: <20050426185113.29671.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Apr 26, 2005 06:51:13 PM Message-ID: <20050426200245.92433.qmail@mall-net.com> > electronic parts, etc. The problem is, computers are not high tech > anymore. They are nothing but data shlarbs, slaves schlepping data back > and forth. No exclusiveness, no mystery, no nothing. Not even blinking Now even tent living camel riding ragheads like Zarqawi have laptops! "My Pictures" yet!!! I just want to find out if that raghead has a better computer than I do! -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Apr 26 20:30:57 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Apr 26 13:31:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've seen both sides of reality, In-Reply-To: <20050426200245.92433.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Apr 26, 2005 08:02:45 PM Message-ID: <20050426203057.15877.qmail@mall-net.com> > > > electronic parts, etc. The problem is, computers are not high tech > > anymore. They are nothing but data shlarbs, slaves schlepping data back > > and forth. No exclusiveness, no mystery, no nothing. Not even blinking > > Now even tent living camel riding ragheads like Zarqawi have > laptops! "My Pictures" yet!!! > > I just want to find out if that raghead has a better computer than I > do! I have to laugh, because when some computers went missing from Los Alamos, some years back, a friend came to me with a chocolate brown magnesium case laptop computer that had "Military" design style reeking all over it! In a bar one night, he had met some Mexican who barely able to speak English. The man said he had some computer to sell, and showed him this from the back of a van. He said the moment he saw it, he just knew it must be one of the stolen Los Alamos computers! With a design like that, it just could not be anything else BUT military! And he had to have it! He wanted me to crack it open, see what was in it, and then said we could make some money returning it to Los Alamos. There's bound to be some fantastic reward for this! I could hardly contain myself! When I powered it up, I confirmed from the contents on the disk drive that this was the plasma screen Grid Computer 386 machine. I knew the history -- it had seen service in the San Jose Police department, before being surplused along with several others, . It was quite obsolete. _I_ had bought it for $1.00 at a scrap metals place, had loaned it to someone else for some year, and some three or four years later, _I_ had given to a day laborer who had helped me move, as a gift to learn about computers. I couldn't hold back my laughter any more! Yep, one of my old junk computers had come back to haunt me! And he'd been snookered out of some $75 by the laborer. He chuckled, and told me to get it out of his sight. Yes, just take it, get it out of here. I still have that machine and one or two others like it in storage. It still looks like some military something, especially when you power up the dim red-orange plasma screen. I can't run that thing up here because it is very power hungry. It's a DOS machine with no LAN, no CD, nothing. I can't even load Linux on it. I still wonder what kind of laptop Zarqawi just lost. > -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk > --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- > --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 18:52:23 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Apr 26 18:52:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050427015223.40149.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Best, making the comment that a terrorist organization is buying gyroscopes, strikes me as humor in very poor taste. most of the experimenters using EM (the lifter crowd comes to mind) have also come forward in stating that said lifters do not work in vacuum. we're going to have to find a different way. Bob --- Michael Best wrote: > > The German V-2 used Goddard's liquid fueled engine, > adjustable fins on the > exhaust, and a gyroscopic system to control them. > Today's rockets use > adjustable exhaust discharge nozzles, controlled by > simple analog or digital > computers. > > Surplus gyroscopes from ballistic missiles are > available at > http://www.cheaperthandirt.com. But you'd better > hurry! I heard that > Al-Quaeda is snapping them up! > > But reaction propulsion is not going to take us to > the stars. It is simply > impossible to carry enough mass to eject from the > craft to accomplish this. > > Use relativistic bending of space, aka gravity, to > provide reactionless > propulsion. > > It takes incredible power- provided by > low-temperature fusion. Several > experimenters have demonstrated reactionless > propulsion, on a small scale, > using EM fields to bend space. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Vesta111 at aol.com Tue Apr 26 21:56:47 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 26 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc. Message-ID: <158.4fb49ee7.2fa04b5f@aol.com> In a message dated 4/26/2005 2:57:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: Not a fast track, at any rate. We;ve used gravity slings of other planets. What we need, is some way of warping the surface of space, then building something that mates with that like a tractor tread mates with soft earth. Sir, I have little knowledge of the workings of the space sciences, however you do give me reason to pause. This here gravity sling you speak of, would this be in any way like a bullet that ricochets off a solid object ? Is this how we insure our machinery sent into space is not destroyed by impacting on the surface but bounces off before burn out and continues past the sun? I am speaking of Venus for instance. Another thing, if space were warped, would there be a blister or bulge of some fashion from the stress of the warping? You mention surface of space, where would one find that ? My Dad, a Navy diver and submariner tried to teach me to dive when I was a teenager, because of my inner ear problems that became impossible. However, as an only child he would regale me for years with his outlandish tales of his remarkable life. One thing about diving he told me was that when diving in a black sea or lake, the only way to tell where the surface was, the diver had to look at the bubbles, they always rose to the surface. So, is there anything that in the vacuum of space that could show the direction of the surface ? Or, would the surface be anywhere you wished to start when away from all gravity ? You also mention tractor treads mating with earth. a visual of that in my mind reveals deep tread marks in the earth, as the tires roll, there is a sucking of earth into the tread. Any craft that could do that would change the very fabric of space, As what's his name often said "For every action, there is a reaction " We figure out how to warp space, what will happen to the empty space that will be caused by this ? Will space act like a Lava lamp and fill in the space left by the warping Something like water displacement? So much to learn, so little time. I appreciate your indulgence of myself. Regards Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050426/8df580db/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Apr 27 02:53:11 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Apr 26 19:53:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc. In-Reply-To: <20050427015223.40149.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Apr 26, 2005 06:52:23 PM Message-ID: <20050427025311.59982.qmail@mall-net.com> > making the comment that a terrorist organization is > buying gyroscopes, strikes me as humor in very poor > taste. > > Surplus gyroscopes from ballistic missiles are > > available at > > http://www.cheaperthandirt.com. But you'd better > > hurry! I heard that > > Al-Quaeda is snapping them up! Well, I couldn't find any gyroscopes at that site, nor reference to any rocket devices, other than some spring steel used in a magazine; so maybe they all got bought up. Or maybe the URL is incorrect; this a retail gun supplies site, rather than a place dealing in more esoteric government or industrial surplus. > most of the experimenters using EM (the lifter crowd > comes to mind) have also come forward in stating that > said lifters do not work in vacuum. > > we're going to have to find a different way. Sad. > > Use relativistic bending of space, aka gravity, to > > provide reactionless > > propulsion. Is there any serious research on this at present? > > It takes incredible power- provided by > > low-temperature fusion. Several > > experimenters have demonstrated reactionless > > propulsion, on a small scale, > > using EM fields to bend space. Low temperature fusion is another problem. I know there have been some gains, but I have not heard of any commercial power generation stations being built around it. Have you? -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Apr 27 03:27:17 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Apr 26 20:27:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc. In-Reply-To: <158.4fb49ee7.2fa04b5f@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 26, 2005 09:56:47 PM Message-ID: <20050427032717.79187.qmail@mall-net.com> > Not a fast track, at any rate. We;ve used gravity slings of other > planets. What we need, is some way of warping the surface of space, then > building something that mates with that like a tractor tread mates with > soft earth. > > > > Sir, I have little knowledge of the workings of the space sciences, however > you do give me reason to pause. This here gravity sling you speak of, would > this be in any way like a bullet that ricochets off a solid object ? The typical way NASA uses a gravity sling, is to send a probe to do a partial orbit around another planet, the velocity of the planet itself being added to the velocity of the probe, much as putting a stone in a sling enables a thrower to make the stone move faster than he could if he threw it by hand. As the probe approaches the moving planet, the planet's gravity pulls it in, but after a loop around the planet, the probe is going fast enough to escape. > Another thing, if space were warped, would there be a blister or bulge of > some fashion from the stress of the warping? I have no idea, because we have not done it yet. > You mention surface of space, where would one find that ? It is a mathematical thing, much like isobars link areas of equal pressure on a weather map. > My Dad, a Navy diver and submariner tried to teach me to dive when I was a > teenager, because of my inner ear problems that became impossible. However, > as an only child he would regale me for years with his outlandish tales of his > remarkable life. One thing about diving he told me was that when diving in > a black sea or lake, the only way to tell where the surface was, the diver > had to look at the bubbles, they always rose to the surface. This is a common tale. People do get disoriented when their limbs and muscles do not tell them which way is down. > So, is there anything that in the vacuum of space that could show the > direction of the surface ? Or, would the surface be anywhere you wished to start > when away from all gravity ? "away from all gravity"... there probably is no such place. However, one can create an equi-gravity "surface" much like an isobar, and attempt to manipulate that. Or a surface portraying an increase or deformation of a field, as some illustrations of the gravity around a planet show something like an elastic membrane deformed by the weight of the planet, much like your weight deforms a bed. > You also mention tractor treads mating with earth. a visual of that in my > mind reveals deep tread marks in the earth, as the tires roll, there is a > sucking of earth into the tread. Any craft that could do that would change the > very fabric of space, I don't know. I would think it more like surfing the bow wave of a ship. > As what's his name often said "For every action, there is a reaction " Sir Isaac Newton. > We figure out how to warp space, what will happen to the empty space that > will be caused by this ? Will space act like a Lava lamp and fill in the space > left by the warping Something like water displacement? The flip answer would be to say that this is not applicable. But... in some sense, whenever one body passes through the space affected by another, there is some "warpage" or alteration of these iso-gravitic "surfaces". But is this really what the papers I have scanned are talking about??? (Chuckle) Now you've made me realize I'm confused! And probably using the wrong analogies for what I thought I was saying. It seemed so simple! Till someone else asks an intelligent question, it is not always apparent that one's understanding is flawed, such as mine apparently is. I know NASA is sponsoring some research on non-reaction mass propulsion. Some are trying to find a means of using the properties of space to aid in moving mass. The simplest means is using F=ma, as in using the force of gravity to roll down hill. We use immovable texture of surfaces for traction in our surface vehicles (cars, bicycles, etc.) as well as our own walking. Most of the footed creatures do that. We use the inertia and compression resistance of media such as water and air for propeller based thrust. As do most fish and other sea life. Birds like the albatross use pressure gradients and air movements caused by waves to allow them to glide near the surface of the sea, sometimes for months at a time, with very little effort. (the albatross and many birds as well as some sea mammals engage in half-brain sleep to allow them 24 hour operation.) We use sails to catch the movement of air, often trading that off against the resistance of water to sail, sometimes almost against the wind by sig-zagging (tacking). Dolphins and surfers use the movement of water as well as gravity to surf waves, some caused by the passages of ships. I am not sure how the solar sail idea will fare. Have they done that experiment yet? What other means of propulsion are there? -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Apr 27 00:58:29 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Apr 26 21:58:39 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc. Message-ID: <00e301c54ae5$c2c65070$6401a8c0@mikey> > Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:52:23 -0700 (PDT) > From: Robert Juliano > Mr. Best, > making the comment that a terrorist organization is > buying gyroscopes, strikes me as humor in very poor > taste. Bob, I have a quite dry sense of humor. Besides, I was relating fact as I know it in good faith. I find absolutely NO reason that this tech should be on mil surplus web sites, but it is, or was a few months ago. > most of the experimenters using EM (the lifter crowd > comes to mind) have also come forward in stating that > said lifters do not work in vacuum. I am familiar with Ventura's work. Also Naudlin's, Searle's, Townsend-Brown's, and that Canadian dude whose name escapes me at the moment. And I have done my own experiments on the subject. Ventura is making simple ion drives. Easy to make, but will not work in a vacuum. I've made some myself. BUT- I have also seen with my own eyes EM devices that use low voltage at high current that produce immense "thrust." > we're going to have to find a different way. Exactly what I'm talking about. The questions are there, very like Michelson and Morley! When will we find the answers? Or, perhaps the better question is: WHO will find the answers? -Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050427/f2df58f8/attachment.htm From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Apr 27 19:02:48 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 27 16:03:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc. Message-ID: <1ee.3a9c51d6.2fa17418@aol.com> Oh my word, space is a mystery that we may never know. The closest planets we may find interesting, strange, and raise more questions then give answers. We will get there and then the arguments will begin among the experts about every little finding. Problem is, the so called experts will look at all findings and see them by their own ideas of their education and understanding. These scientists think in a box, they seldom venture outside the ideas of their cronies. Any evidence they find of any sort must conform to the ideas of the time as they interpret it. Example the stones with deep channels running down the sides, in pre-known human studies. Some say these were sacrificial stones, but has anyone thought that perhaps the stones were part of a butcher shop that prepared food for the masses ? Come to that these stones could be birthing beds, or old time surgery tables for those harmed in battles. How about tables that prepared the dead for their last rites. Don't we have tables today that serve the same function ? Why is science so ready to think that these stones were for a use as a sacrificial use ? We know next to nothing about these societies so how do these experts say ,with such a puff out their chest, I have found a sacrificial stone ? Bahhhh. Happy for us we find things on Mars, but why so far away, what's up with our moon? You can't tell me we know everything about our life force. No life on planet earth without that beautiful big orb up there controlling life on earth. Politics is killing me. The billions of dollars spent by us not to mention other countries on space exploration is a kick in the butt for the people who live on Earth. We don't know Jack Shit about this planet. So why spend the billions to explore some place else before we know our own back yard ? Instead of thinking about how Pluto works, do we know how Earth works ? We are only now learning about the movements of our ocean plates. Why does our poles shift, should not they be stable ? Climate shift, strange behavior in sea life, new species discovered in sea and on land, how do the sun spots big bursts of energy effect this planet, the mind of humans is changing, food, drugs or culture ? Sorry about my RANT but is this not what I am suppose to do, I have a brain and I use it to the best of my ability, most of the time I am wrong but when I am right I feel sad because all the changes in my thinking that has led me to this. Regards Veata To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050427/d845c6bc/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 19:03:42 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Apr 27 19:03:56 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mighty Mouse. By, Tesla (the band). Message-ID: <20050428020343.98582.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Song: MIGHTY MOUSE. Band: Tesla (the band). Lyrics by: Keith, Hannon, Wheat, Sommers. Earth to Mighty Mouse.. Come in Mighty Mouse. Help us Mighty Mouse..... WE NEED YOU! I'M JUST LIVING FOR THE DAY, CHANCES ARE WILL NEVER COME. ALWAYS SEARCHING FOR A WAY, TO DO THE THINGS THAT CAN'T BE DONE. WHAT MAY SEEM A WASTE OF TIME, DESPITE OUR GOOD INTENTIONS. BUT WHO'S TO SAY WHAT'S WRONG OR RIGHT, IS THERE ANY CHANCE AT ALL. MIGHTY MOUSE, COME DOWN AND SAVE THE DAY. UNDERDOG IS ON IS ON HIS WAY. SUPERMAN, YOU'VE GOT TO KICK THAT KRYPTONITE. CAUSE LORD KNOWS WE NEED SOME HELP TONIGHT. FLASHING SIGNALS THROUGH THE SKY, AND TO BOTH SIDES OF THE MOON. STILL I WAIT, BUT NO REPLY, TO INDICATE YOU'RE COMING SOON. YOU MAY THINK I WASTE MY TIME, TO RELY ON FICTION. BUT I CAN'T WAIT TO BLOW THEIR MINDS, WHEN YOU COME AND SAVE US ALL. COME AND SAVE US ALL. MIGHTY MOUSE, COME DOWN AND SAVE THE DAY. UNDERDOG IS ON HIS WAY. SUPERMAN YOU'VE GOT TO KICK THAT KRYPTONITE. CAUSE LORD KNOWS WE NEED SOME HELP TONIGHT. WE'VE LOST CONTROL, BREAK DOWN THE WALL. COME SAVE US ALL, SAVE US FROM OURSELF. SAVE US FROM OURSELF, SAVE US FROM OURSELF, SAVE US FROM OURSELF, BEFORE WE LOSE IT ALL. MIGHTY MOUSE, COME DOWN AND SAVE THE DAY. UNDERDOG IS ON HIS WAY. SUPERMAN, YOU'VE GOT TO KICK THAT KRYPTONITE. CAUSE LORD KNOWS WE NEED SOME HELP TONIGHT. MIGHTY MOUSE, UNDERDOG, SUPERMAN. YOU'VE GOT TO KICK THAT KRYPTONITE. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050427/dd444fdd/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 28 02:46:17 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Apr 27 19:46:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rocketry, spaceships, etc. In-Reply-To: <1ee.3a9c51d6.2fa17418@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 27, 2005 07:02:48 PM Message-ID: <20050428024617.29216.qmail@mall-net.com> > Oh my word, space is a mystery that we may never know. The closest > planets we may find interesting, strange, and raise more questions then give > answers. We will get there and then the arguments will begin among the experts > about every little finding. Remember the saying "publish or perish" applies in academia and other research organizations. It does drive much speculation! > Problem is, the so called experts will look at all findings and see them by > their own ideas of their education and understanding. These scientists think > in a box, they seldom venture outside the ideas of their cronies. Any > evidence they find of any sort must conform to the ideas of the time as they > interpret it. They don't so much think in a box, as write for the box. It's how one gets funding. If one says this was Ogg's Butcher Shoppe, it is less spectacular than if this were Ogg's Temple to some god. Now, an economist might find Ogg's Butcher Shoppe far more interesting, but economists don't generally do much archaeology. > Example the stones with deep channels running down the sides, in > pre-known human studies. Some say these were sacrificial stones, but has anyone > thought that perhaps the stones were part of a butcher shop that prepared food > for the masses ? Come to that these stones could be birthing beds, or old "for the masses" is not what there was in those days. And if one say this was Ogg's Butcher Shoppe, then how did Ogg get the venture capital to open it, and how could Ogg handle the cash when he didn't have a mattress, much less a bank, to put it in. (We did find the cash. The coinage of the day was arrowheads mass produced someplace in southern Europe from stones imported from some other area within some 100 - 200 miles from there.) Or was it a communist community butcher stone? We saw communism fail, so we are not too eager to say it was communist; though we may say it was community, probably run by the shaman as a religious thing, with the blood being given to the local deity, hence the drainage, and the meat distributed to the tribe post haste before it spoiled. The other question is just how much hunting was there? Much of what we are believed to have eaten on the African Savanna, was hindquarters with bones and marrow. So another question is whether the stone was heated to melt fat, or not. And if the fat was melted, was it used for oil lamps?. > time surgery tables for those harmed in battles. How about tables that prepared > the dead for their last rites. Don't we have tables today that serve the same > function ? Why is science so ready to think that these stones were for a Tables for the dead do not require blood drainage. When one dies, it does not run much. Thus one would suspect it was blood draining out of something living. > use as a sacrificial use ? We know next to nothing about these societies so how > do these experts say ,with such a puff out their chest, I have found a > sacrificial stone ? Bahhhh. Well, maybe it was a slaughterhouse / butcher deal. But primitives tend to also honor the animals they slaughter. They well understand the circle of life. Something dies to give something else life. Man ate bears, but also worshiped the bear for the sustenance it gave them. Bear cults were fairly common, with bear bones often arranged in a cave, the head on a ledge, etc. as a form of worship, or at least reverence for the life the bears, though their flesh, gave us. This type of circularity and worship or reverence, occurs all over the world. The American Indians did this with the buffalo. Northern Europeans did this with the woolly mammoth, even as they ate it into extinction. > Happy for us we find things on Mars, but why so far away, what's up with our > moon? You can't tell me we know everything about our life force. No life on > planet earth without that beautiful big orb up there controlling life on > earth. We know some about our moon. There are some computer simulations of large body impacts which show a mixing of materials in earth and moon from the object which hit Earth, and gave rise to the moon. > Politics is killing me. The billions of dollars spent by us not to mention > other countries on space exploration is a kick in the butt for the people who > live on Earth. We don't know Jack Shit about this planet. So why spend the > billions to explore some place else before we know our own back yard ? Because they are data point helping us understand the forces and dynamics which gave rise to Earth. > Instead of thinking about how Pluto works, do we know how Earth works ? We > are only now learning about the movements of our ocean plates. Why does our > poles shift, should not they be stable ? The geomagnetic field is an interesting item. By studying Mars, Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn, we see how part of the geomagnetic fields are generated. It now seems that the reversal will not completely destroy the geomagnetic field; the interaction of the earth and the solar wind will likely sustain some of the field till it completely flips. And it does not alway flip; sometimes it reforms in the same polarity as before. > Climate shift, strange behavior in sea life, new species discovered in sea > and on land, how do the sun spots big bursts of energy effect this planet, the > mind of humans is changing, food, drugs or culture ? Interesting question. There are some real questions as to whether it is the sunspot cycles which alter our business and economic cycles, as well as our climate cycles. There have been several cold episodes in the recent past. Were these human driven or solar driven? Perhaps studies of other planets can help us determine the status of the sun independent of the effects of our own climatic cycles. > Sorry about my RANT but is this not what I am suppose to do, I have a brain > and I use it to the best of my ability, most of the time I am wrong but when > I am right I feel sad because all the changes in my thinking that has led me > to this. These are valid questions for this forum. We mad scientists certainly want to know about these, and as scientists, mad or otherwise, we are curious about what is around us, what stages we have been placed upon to act out our human drama. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 28 03:13:57 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Apr 27 20:13:59 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mighty Mouse. By, Tesla (the band). In-Reply-To: <20050428020343.98582.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 27, 2005 07:03:42 PM Message-ID: <20050428031357.49785.qmail@mall-net.com> > COME SAVE US ALL, SAVE US FROM > OURSELF. > SAVE US FROM OURSELF, > SAVE US FROM OURSELF, > SAVE US FROM OURSELF, BEFORE WE > LOSE IT ALL. We do not need to be saved from ourselves. This is the type of defeatist nonsense thinking we hear in all too much of the popular music. Humanity is inherently good. If it were not, we would not have the level of culture, housing, etc. that we now have. We have created all this via cooperation greased by promises of freely exchangeable tokens of no other inherent value, called Money. The value of money is not the paper or metal it is made of, it is what others are willing to give us for it, and what we are willing to give others for it. I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph. And there's purpose and worth to each and every life. -- Ronald Reagan I think that just being alive is a tremendous opportunity. It's what you do with it that matters, -- Katharine Hepburn Thus, we need to figure out how to make things which others want. Money is a very unifying and orienting medium and experience. In contrast, the communists, who were trying to save humanity from themselves, had an elaborate planning system allocating so much to the manufacture of nuts, bolts, wheels, etc. And it FAILED MISERABLY!!! Because of the lack of freely exchangeable currency, the people became thieves and barterers. And there was very little in the way to track or respond to changes in needs. This basically destroyed the viability of that entire society. So the song should be Save us from the burro-crats, we can take care of ourselves! We built New York! We rebuilt Chicago! We rebuild San Francisco! We CAN rebuild ourselves! This land is My land This land is your land... _WE_ made this land for you and me! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 14:13:09 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Apr 28 14:14:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk; Message-ID: <20050428211309.98608.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk; I am having cardiac troubles again now. It is the worst, when I have to urinate, when my heart feels the worst. Does this indicate anything specifically, that you know about? Also; I have noticed that Zyprexa Olanzapine is weakening my immune system, in that I get canker sores often, when taking Olanzapine, and the water bumps on the inside of my mouth flare up, when I drink sweet drinks, and when I eat certain foods. The doctors are failing to meet my needs, and the stress is overwhelming. I ran out the money that I needed this month, in order to see both a nutricianist, and also a neurologist. Although I also need to see a dermatologist too. A pulminologist was also suggested by my mother, since she is a nurse. I need to see Dr. Feelgood real soon, because I've been neglecting my health for material gains, and am suffering because of it. It' a wonder that I haven't exploded, with skull pulverizing nuclear anger on someone, for bottling up my emotions. Sincerely, Clyde __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050428/120aaeca/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Apr 28 22:26:28 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 28 15:26:32 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk; In-Reply-To: <20050428211309.98608.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 28, 2005 02:13:09 PM Message-ID: <20050428222628.91754.qmail@mall-net.com> > I am having cardiac troubles again now. > It is the worst, when I have to urinate, > when my heart feels the worst. > Does this indicate anything specifically, > that you know about? I don't know. All I know is that the stuff at http://www.paulingtherapy.com/ works. I like to maintain my vitamin C levels near bowel tolerance as per http://www.mall-net.com/cathcart/titrate.html and seem to recall that most people whom I know tended to be happier when they started using more vitamin C. And as I said before, niacin seems to help me when I get depressed. > Also; I have noticed that Zyprexa > Olanzapine is weakening my immune > system, in that I get canker sores often, > when taking Olanzapine, and the water > bumps on the inside of my mouth flare > up, when I drink sweet drinks, and when > I eat certain foods. Sweets will prompt the growth of candida albecans. Unless... unless they are loaded with acidophilus cultures, such as Wildwood SOYogurt smoothies are. > The doctors are failing to meet my > needs, and the stress is overwhelming. I'e always done better with vitamins and other nutritional supplements than with pills. Have you tried any of them? > I ran out the money that I needed this > month, in order to see both a nutricianist, > and also a neurologist. Never enough money. But... nutritional stuff is cheaper than drugs. Maybe more later. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Thu Apr 28 20:54:43 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Thu Apr 28 17:54:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ZPE Message-ID: <003001c54c56$09439690$6401a8c0@mikey> http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html An Introduction to Zero-Point Energy Quantum physics predicts the existence of an underlying sea of zero-point energy at every point in the universe. This is different from the cosmic microwave background and is also referred to as the electromagnetic quantum vacuum since it is the lowest state of otherwise empty space. This energy is so enormous that most physicists believe that even though zero-point energy seems to be an inescapable consequence of elementary quantum theory, it cannot be physically real, and so is subtracted away in calculations. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 19:06:35 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Apr 28 19:06:46 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ZPE In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050429020635.18131.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> The only way that I see tapping ZPE, for the possibility of obtaining useful energy, is to use high power, high pressure, hyper high decibel (1,000 dB's, or higher,) continuous duty, focused and directed acoustic energy, to create a contained, micro scaled, black, or white hole. Clyde Michael Best wrote: http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html An Introduction to Zero-Point Energy Quantum physics predicts the existence of an underlying sea of zero-point energy at every point in the universe. This is different from the cosmic microwave background and is also referred to as the electromagnetic quantum vacuum since it is the lowest state of otherwise empty space. This energy is so enormous that most physicists believe that even though zero-point energy seems to be an inescapable consequence of elementary quantum theory, it cannot be physically real, and so is subtracted away in calculations. _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050428/2a992693/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 29 02:33:50 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 28 19:33:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ZPE In-Reply-To: <20050429020635.18131.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Apr 28, 2005 07:06:35 PM Message-ID: <20050429023350.47203.qmail@mall-net.com> > The only way that I see tapping ZPE, for the possibility > of obtaining useful energy, is to use high power, high > pressure, hyper high decibel (1,000 dB's, or higher,) > continuous duty, focused and directed acoustic energy, > to create a contained, micro scaled, black, or white hole. The general problem of using energy, is that we only seem to be able to do it across a differential. it's sort of like a paddlewheel is pretty much useless on the surface of the sea; whereas if we put it under a waterfall, where the energy is flowing downhill rather sharply, the wheel will turn and we can harvest some of the energy. So the question is, how do we find a slope in this ZPG field? -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 29 04:57:38 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 28 21:57:58 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ZPE In-Reply-To: <003001c54c56$09439690$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Apr 28, 2005 08:54:43 PM Message-ID: <20050429045738.49555.qmail@mall-net.com> > > http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html > > An Introduction to Zero-Point Energy After reading some of this stuff... I seem to recal a bit about high voltage capacitors recharging themselves. A good high voltage cap might approcimate a Casimir device??? Some side effects? But not enough to really harvest much energy. One character published some schematics and such showning how he was using mylar capacitors to detect gravity wave effects in the 1/f noise of an oscilator of some sort. Circa 1989, I believe. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 29 05:24:54 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Apr 28 22:24:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ZPE In-Reply-To: <20050429045738.49555.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Apr 29, 2005 04:57:38 AM Message-ID: <20050429052454.67645.qmail@mall-net.com> > > > > > http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html The related pages are interesting, but way, way beyond my understanding of physics! I fear though, that most of this will not be available to us beyond the nanoscale. We are, I suspect, stuck in this dimensional realm. I base this on the lack of visible examples of strange phenomenon in the realm of our scale (millimeters to mega-meters) and density. What goes on in the core of the sun is another matter; but even there, we have some theories which seem to map well with observations. This does not preclude our being able to utilize some of the phenomenon, as we do with electricity. Its just that we do not, for the most part, find ourselves able to use electricity to create major changes in the meter range. Most of what we use electricity for is the disruption of atoms to yield heat and light, or the creation of sub-meter sized magnetic fields to create motion. That motion is then translated via simple mechanical gears into larger scale movements. The only places we really get into near meter scale electron phenomenon is the electron beam used for imaging, such as in electron microscopes and cathode ray tubes. Observable nature does a little larger with lightning bolts in the kilo-meter range scale. What am I missing? -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Apr 29 16:02:07 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Apr 29 09:02:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global Warming? In-Reply-To: <20050429052454.67645.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Apr 29, 2005 05:24:54 AM Message-ID: <20050429160207.2654.qmail@mall-net.com> All over the news, we hear that NASA has found the smoking gun, that the earth is absorbing more heat than it is radiating, .85/sq meter, and that the build-up of heat within the oceans will result in a rise in temperature by 2100. Yet it is the land which is hotter, not the oceans! The Washington Times reports that one other scientist, Fred Singer, director of the Science and Environmental Policy Project, and Professor emeritus, U. Virginia, says this is nonsense; that heat can not "build up" in the ocean "for later release". That would violate the laws of thermodynamics. http://WashingtonTimes.com/national/ Singer and Pelser (JM U, Liverpool) suggest that although global warming can generate deaths; overall, it will reduce the number of deaths across the planet by keeping other people from freezing to death, which they do in larger numbers. (Example, Siberia) Singer believes that the economic gains will outweigh the losses in the USA and in other parts of the world. I think he's right. What do you think? http://www.wired.com/news/ -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 10:24:53 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Apr 29 10:25:01 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global Warming? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050429172453.77586.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> THIS ENTIRE PLANET IS DISTRESSING TO ME. javilk@mall-net.com wrote: All over the news, we hear that NASA has found the smoking gun, that the earth is absorbing more heat than it is radiating, .85/sq meter, and that the build-up of heat within the oceans will result in a rise in temperature by 2100. Yet it is the land which is hotter, not the oceans! YES. The Washington Times reports that one other scientist, Fred Singer, director of the Science and Environmental Policy Project, and Professor emeritus, U. Virginia, says this is nonsense; that heat can not "build up" in the ocean "for later release". That would violate the laws of thermodynamics. http://WashingtonTimes.com/national/ Singer and Pelser (JM U, Liverpool) suggest that although global warming can generate deaths; overall, it will reduce the number of deaths across the planet by keeping other people from freezing to death, which they do in larger numbers. (Example, Siberia) Singer believes that the economic gains will outweigh the losses in the USA and in other parts of the world. I think he's right. What do you think? http://www.wired.com/news/ -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050429/29326637/attachment-0001.htm From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Apr 30 09:54:40 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 30 06:54:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global Warming? Message-ID: <8d.261bfc21.2fa4e820@aol.com> In a message dated 4/29/2005 12:02:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: The Washington Times reports that one other scientist, Fred Singer, director of the Science and Environmental Policy Project, and Professor emeritus, U. Virginia, says this is nonsense; that heat can not "build up" in the ocean "for later release". That would violate the laws of thermodynamics. This Singer person needs to pay attention to what NASA is saying. There is a rise in ocean temperatures, a very tiny one but it will make a difference in 100 years as it continues to rise each year. Something is going on with our oceans that is causing some of its population to behave in very strange ways. I am wondering if the earthquakes in the Pacific Ocean could be part of the cause for the disorienting behavior of the larger creatures. ______________________________________________________________________ Singer and Pelser (JM U, Liverpool) suggest that although global warming can generate deaths; overall, it will reduce the number of deaths across the planet by keeping other people from freezing to death, which they do in larger numbers. (Example, Siberia ______________________________________________________________________________ _ This is so FUNNY, who are these clowns anyway. I can't remember a summer in years that hasn't brought heat waves that are killers. Big cities open shelters for people who have no place to cool down. I will bet my best dog that in this country more people die of heat complications then freeze to death. In areas on Earth that would be brutal for you or me to survive in, millions were born to that life style, they know how to live with the cold. A test on natives of Alaska show their bodies have somehow mutated to increase the flow of blood to exposed areas in the extreme cold. Discovery Channel, a few years ago did the test with a couple of natives and one very cold interviewer. ______________________________________________________________________ Singer believes that the economic gains will outweigh the losses in the USA and in other parts of the world. _________________________________________________________________________ Sounds good, but lets take this apart and really look at it. If I'm hot, I turn on the air conditioner. Running 24-7 , WOW, look at my electric bill !!! Can't be done by everyone in this country at this time. We have those rolling brown outs every year because of the huge surge in people doing just that. So far I have no knowledge of any cooling machine that runs on wood, coal, gas or cow chips. BUGS, Yikes, bugs all year, all kinds we have never seen before. They are coming here now and wiping out our native bugs, killing off the good bugs. What happens to our crops when these nastys are around 12 months of the year. Speaking of food, lots of our food needs cool or cold weather to grow as we are know it. Example, couple of weeks ago I found in the grocery store flats of strawberys from CA. These were huge, plump and beautiful. Got them home and prepared to fend off anyone that looked twice at my prize. After the first bite, I could not believe the taste, nothing, bland as a potato, no flavor blah. The berries we get in New England are almost too sweet, just delicious. So with the warming of earth, food will taste nothing like it is suppose to. Gone will be all cold water fish ,crabs, lobster, no more Alaskan King Crab ( sob ! ) Some species will travel from where the reside most of the year to cold water to mate, that's not good news for them if they cant reproduce. All I see is that Mr. Singer thinks only of money and believes it is fine and dandy to rape and destroy his own home, Earth. It is my belief that this man is not only dangerous but a fat head to boot. Regards Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050430/1fbef13d/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Apr 30 17:49:10 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Apr 30 10:49:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global Warming? In-Reply-To: <8d.261bfc21.2fa4e820@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 30, 2005 09:54:40 AM Message-ID: <20050430174910.83879.qmail@mall-net.com> >> The Washington Times reports that one other scientist, Fred Singer, >> director of the Science and Environmental Policy Project, and Professor >> emeritus, U. Virginia, says this is nonsense; that heat can not "build >> up" in the ocean "for later release". That would violate the laws >> of thermodynamics. [Quoting fixed] > This Singer person needs to pay attention to what NASA is saying. There is a > rise in ocean temperatures, a very tiny one but it will make a difference in > 100 years as it continues to rise each year. He is paying attention. He's a professor emeritus of environmental studies at University of Virginia. He's also paying attention to physics and geological history; which is quite interesting. He says what others are saying don't add up. He and a couple of others have written books on the subject, which i have not read... But from what I have read, the basic thing is that most of the solar energy is absorbed in the top layer of the ocean and stays there. I does not accumulate in the bottom; so the sea is not some slowly charging capacitor which will suddenly discharge it's heat reserves as others imply. And the bottom of the ocean is very cold! Remeber, "Global Warming" is, in the mass populations, a fad that people have no in-depth knowledge of, a mere conversational phenomenon like Britny Spears or Paris Hilton. It is the masses who are telling each other things with no verifiable basis. And this is feeding back and magnifying itself. (One of my occupations is analyzing search engine traffic. I've seen very interesting phenomenon involving public opinion!) Scientists are also subject to this fad phenomenon. Even worse, because many scientific magazines no longer accept articles questioning the basic premises of global warming -- that it is happening, that we are guilty, and that it's going to be a disaster for our children's children. So it is in a positive feedback loop at present, like so many fad phenomenon are in their growth stage. Yet when we discard land-based temperature readings, global warming is not such a strong phenomenon. Indeed, the upper atmosphere is cooling! the problem with land based temperature measurements is that as we build up areas, the change in local ecology -- lack of trees, more open fields, more paved areas -- raises the air temperature via solar conversion, air movement pattern changes, and heat leakage. All of this does not mean global warming is not happening. It may still be. Though other data calls it into question. And if it is happening, is it of our own doing? There is considerable evidence supporting glacial cycles, yes? they pre-dated humanity. That variation is considerably in excess of what we have recorded and experienced in historical times. We are in part of such a cycle, the higher temperature portion. Causes which have been postulated include solar variations, orbital variations, our passing through the plane of the sun's debris (reducing the amount of solar energy we get), moss cycle -- moss kills too many trees, rock cycle -- soil becomes too depleted and trees no longer produce as much O2, carbonate cycle -- carbonates turning over in the earth's crust spawn most of our volcanic activity, which may well have cyclical curges, etc. There is also considerable evidence supporting sunspot cycle variations. And we are now in one of the extremes of observed cycles. If any of those are correct, then we are not only not guilty, we don't have much to do about it even if we try. Geological evidence suggests far greater variations in global temperatures and CO2 levels than humanity has experienced. There is some mention of this in "The Noah Flood" by two oceanographers. (Very interesting book! Pittman and Ryan???) Some time ago, maybe 12,000 - 5,000 years, temperatures were higher, plants were much more fruitful, etc. Some call that the Eden Epoch. Then there was the Maunder Minimum, a very cold series of years which gave rise to our present cultures. Professor Burk of the "Connections" TV series said we went from wrap-wearing lodge dwellers to pant wearing house dwellers in effort to deal with the cold of those times. This also transformed the central part of America from rich meadowlands to the grassy Great Planes. Now, I am not saying that Global Warming is not happening, nor that we are entirely off the hook! What I am saying is that all this talk of global Warming is not based 100% on scientific facts, only on scattered evidence selectively reported under peer pressure. it may well be true; or it may be wrong! _WE_ do not know, and are basing some rather dangerous economic policies upon little more than rumors mongered by those who want to believe humanity is guilty of SOMETHING! Ultimately, many would prefer to believe that those with the bucks stole their good lives from those without the bucks. it relieves the masses of the responsibility of not having lived up to their potential. I think Fred Singer makes some valid points. it is also interesting that Chriton, author of fairly scientific novels such as The Andromeda Strain, The Deep, etc. has come to the conclusion that global warming is a bunch of bunk. He normally researches his work rather well. I was hoping for some interesting discussion from those who know more about specifics and those who are interested in the consequences. > Something is going on with our oceans that is causing some of its > population to behave in very strange ways. I have not heard of this. What have you read about this? > I am wondering if the earthquakes in the > Pacific Ocean could be part of the cause for the disorienting behavior of the > larger creatures. I think that any such change would not last very long. Again, what have you read or experienced that suggests this? -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 11:46:10 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Apr 30 11:46:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Reminder web addresses: Part three. 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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050430/70893a88/attachment-0001.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Apr 30 18:59:31 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Apr 30 11:59:34 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global Warming? In-Reply-To: <8d.261bfc21.2fa4e820@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 30, 2005 09:54:40 AM Message-ID: <20050430185931.30608.qmail@mall-net.com> I apologize, I hadn't seen the rest of your post when I started writing. The lack of standard quote marks in the left, and the trailer-like line across the screen made me think we'd ended. Quote marks in the left have been standard on the interned for several decades now. I would suggest you check at the configuration of your mail handler. >> Singer and Pelser (JM U, Liverpool) suggest that although global >> warming can generate deaths; overall, it will reduce the number of >> deaths across the planet by keeping other people from freezing to >>death, >> which they do in larger numbers. (Example, Siberia > This is so FUNNY, who are these clowns anyway. I can't remember a summer > in years that hasn't brought heat waves that are killers. Big cities open > shelters for people who have no place to cool down. I will bet my best dog > that in this country more people die of heat complications then freeze to death. In this country, perhaps true. In other countries, hundreds of people a day die directly or indirectly from the cold. People who are cold get more diseases, need more food, etc. So I suspect the cold deaths are somewhat under-reported, perhaps even in this country. of course, I am somewhat biased, living in a cabin with a slightly too-small furnace. The cold certainly saps my productivity. > In areas on Earth that would be brutal for you or me to survive in, millions > were born to that life style, they know how to live with the cold. A test And expect to die from it. Remember, the news only repost what's new and interesting, not what's expected. Plus, the news comes from those who are technologically advanced. How much press does Eritrean get when drought kills thousands vs, say, Michael Jackson? How much press did Enron get vs Michael Jackson? Enron raped California, destroying the retirement funds of investors, and many other things. Worldcom, though less visible as it did not have California's industrial throat in it's grasp, did much the same. Yet Michael Jackson gets press every day for what, goofing off with several kids vs turning the retirements of tens of thousands of people into dismal years of poverty? (Not to minimize Jackson's legal responsibilities! If guilty, he should be hung! So too, the Enronese and Worldcomese! By the way, Worldcom is now called MCI, one of the companies it bought.) > on natives of Alaska show their bodies have somehow mutated to increase the > flow of blood to exposed areas in the extreme cold. > Discovery Channel, a few years ago did the test with a couple of natives and > one very cold interviewer. Yes. And in the 50's, the Air Force did some experiments which showed that many of the changes could be brought about by eating an Eskimo diet. Not all changes! The Eskimo evolution has favored shorter limbs and trunk to minimize heat loss. >> Singer believes that the economic gains will outweigh the losses in >> the USA and in other parts of the world. > > Sounds good, but lets take this apart and really look at it. > > If I'm hot, I turn on the air conditioner. Running 24-7 , WOW, look at my > electric bill !!! > Can't be done by everyone in this country at this time. We have those > rolling brown outs every year because of the huge surge in people doing just that. > > So far I have no knowledge of any cooling machine that runs on wood, coal, > gas or cow chips. They are not common; but gas fired air conditioners do exist. After all, we do have gas fired refrigerators in most RVs. I have one out here. > BUGS, Yikes, bugs all year, all kinds we have never seen before. They are > coming here now and wiping out our native bugs, killing off the good bugs. > What happens to our crops when these nastys are around 12 months of the year. Last year was particularly bad here as the seven year cicadas came out. I think this may have coincided with the 12 year cicadas, but I don't remember that news article clearly. Not all bugs are out every year. And rainfall, temperature, and wind variations do give rise to changes in insect populations. I well remember the years we had huge numbers of Japanese Beetles in New England, and the years we had virtually none. > Speaking of food, lots of our food needs cool or cold weather to grow as we > are know it. Example, couple of weeks ago I found in the grocery store flats > of strawberys from CA. These were huge, plump and beautiful. Got them home > and prepared to fend off anyone that looked twice at my prize. After the first > bite, I could not believe the taste, nothing, bland as a potato, no flavor > blah. The berries we get in New England are almost too sweet, just > delicious. So with the warming of earth, food will taste nothing like it is suppose > to. I do not think that your experience warrants that conclusion. There are many cultivars of strawberries. It was the choice of the farmer what to plant, and the store what to buy and sell. We have some strawberry farms out here. They hare one of the most artificial setups I've seen! Black plastic covers the earth, with strawberries grown through holes in that plastic. Before they are grown, the soil is sterilized with methyl bromide. Contrast that with the slightly larger than pea sized strawberries one gathers in the wild. They do have more flavor... but I think it in bulk, likely not per berry. And that difference has everything to do with cultivation, nothing to do with global temperature change Our Wheat belt will move north into Canada, potentially expanding the total wheat production. Russia will gain far, far more from a similar shift in her own lands. Other crops for warmer areas exist, though we are not necessarily familiar with them at present. But we will be if the globe actually warms much. > Gone will be all cold water fish ,crabs, lobster, no more Alaskan King Crab > ( sob ! ) Some species will travel from where the reside most of the year to > cold water to mate, that's not good news for them if they cant reproduce. We may indeed find them less abundant; but since they survived previous glacial cycles, one may assume that the species will survive the present one, if in low numbers for some time. Other species will take over as the ecological niches change. They always have. Nature abhors a vacuum. > All I see is that Mr. Singer thinks only of money and believes it is fine > and dandy to rape and destroy his own home, Earth. It is my belief that this > man is not only dangerous but a fat head to boot. > Regards Vesta You say this without presenting any real evidence that he is wrong, or that as a professor, thus paid far less than what one may expect of a bright man in industry, he is particularly interested in money. What evidence do you present to support your conjecture? _I_ think there needs to be a lot more discussion of the evidence for and against, particularly against, global warming so as to balance the topic. Geologically speaking, I think we get something like (very roughly) 20,000 years of warmth between some 100,000 years of cold. We are nearing the end of the warm period. It is clear that this warm period IS NOT stable, and it is highly unlikely that it will last. The only question is when will it end. And so some day in the future, be it in fifty or five thousand years, I see humanity trying to generate as much green house gas as we possibly can! Actually, since the last ice age ended with the release of some methane clathrates in the Mediterranean sea triggered by an earthquake, that should not be so hard. Plenty of methane clathrates for that. And we will probably use at least some of that as fuel in the process. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Apr 30 18:07:40 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 30 15:07:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global Warming? Message-ID: <68.54d784ff.2fa55bac@aol.com> In a message dated 4/30/2005 3:00:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: You say this without presenting any real evidence that he is wrong, or that as a professor, thus paid far less than what one may expect of a bright man in industry, he is particularly interested in money. What evidence do you present to support your conjecture? I am sending you some quotes by people with world class educations in their fields. >Pope John XXII (1935) "The signs are increasing "The lights in the sky will appear red, blue, green, rapidlly. Someone is comming from very far and wants to meet the people of Earth."Rickenbacker, Captain Eddie Captain Eddie Rickenbacker "Flying saucers are real. Too many good men have seen them, that don't have hallucinations." Captain Rickenbacker was known as, "American Ace of Aces," medal of honor-winning commander of the 94th Aero Pursuit Squadron in WWI, with 26 "kills". Weaver, DennisDennis Weaver "I think there's alot of evidence that we've made contact." YALE SCIENCE MAGAZINE Yale Scientific Magazine (1963)"Based upon unreliable and unscientific surmises as data, the Air Force develops elaborate statistical findings which seem impressive to the uninitiated public unschooled in the fallaciec of the statistical method. One must conclude that the highly publicized Air Force pronouncements based upon unsound statistics serve merely to misrepreent the true character of the UFO phenomena." Yale Scientific Magazine (Yale University) Volume XXXVII, Number 7, April 1963 Alexander, Earl of TunBacon, RogeRoger Bacon "Flying machines as these were of old, made even in our days" Friar, 13th century. Bryan, Colonel JosColonel Joseph J. Bryan III "These UFOs are interplanetary devices systematically observing the earth, either manned or under remote control, or both." "Information on UFOs, including sighting reports, has been and is still being officially withheld." Bryan was founder of the CIA's psychological warfare staff, special assistant to the secretary of the Air Force, advisor to NATO, and board member of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon (NICAP). --> LOOK BELOW ---< I can see you shaking your head wondering what the heck has the belief in UFO's to do with Mr. Singer. The fact is that Mr. Singer has not proven himself YET in the science world. Also his mention of economy being helped by world wide climate changes is outrageous. I can see him now touring Arche Indonesia telling the survivors how very lucky they are because of all the relief money flooding in. Now the economy will really take off !! Oh yes back to the UFO dudes above. All above are to be respected for not only their opinions but for their accomplishments. I would love to have any or all of them as a dinner guest, how interesting to learn how and why they come to their conclusions. Do I agree with them ? I don't think logic supports the idea. Sorry, only little green men I have ever seen was outside a bar near the nuke plant down the road. Our renegade professors are fun to listen to, not to mention there is always some truth in what they say. Professor Singer seems to know good Public Relations, being a Devils Advocate is a sure way to get published, not to forget fees from the seminars he will have, all sold out I bet. > The Washington Times reports that one other scientist, Fred Singer, director of the Science and Environmental Policy Project, and Professor emeritus, U. Virginia, says this is nonsense; that heat can not "build up" in the ocean "for later release". That would violate the laws of thermodynacs< I believe this is a good answer to the above. "There are of course many phenomena in this world which are not explained and it is possible to say that the orthodox scientist is the last person to accept that something new (or old) may exist which cannot be explained in accordance with his understanding of natural laws." Earl Alexander was British Minister of Defense. Regards Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050430/4a054bbc/attachment.htm From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Apr 30 19:40:47 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 30 16:41:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out LANL: The Real Story: Corporate carcinoma Message-ID: <82.273a2135.2fa5717f@aol.com> _LANL: The Real Story: Corporate carcinoma_ (http://lanl-the-real-story.blogspot.com/2005/04/corporate-carcinoma.html) What happens when science and scientists collide with corporate America To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050430/dd488b05/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Apr 30 23:59:50 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Apr 30 16:59:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global Warming? In-Reply-To: <68.54d784ff.2fa55bac@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 30, 2005 06:07:40 PM Message-ID: <20050430235950.33516.qmail@mall-net.com> > I am sending you some quotes by people with world class educations in their > fields. Which are not the fields in question. And quite often the observations of intelligent and careful people are later proven to be due to things they did not know about. I too, have seen UFOs. Some, I was later able to identify as aircraft, satellites, or in one case, the moon. Others which were just not clearly identifiable as anything; though there were plausible terrestrial explanations. I have also seen the stereotypical "big-eyed" alien face rather often, only later recognizing the faces for the symbol one sometimes sees. They were on the ranch. Seen in dim light, the heads of some cows quite resemble that stereotypical alien face. All the ones I saw were the heads of cattle. You can not disprove the existance of UFOs. Any flying object you can not identify is, by definition, an Unidentified Flying Object. Real aliens? My parents were genuine aliens. They were later naturalized as American Citizens. Like so many other aliens, they were born in Europe, not the USA. Again, a matter of definition. They were clearly terrestrial, biological, genetic humans. As am I. I studied UFO phenomenon at one point. It was truly amazing, indeed fascinating as to how people of different backgrounds will use very different words to describe the same event. Even people of the same background with different expectations will describe events quite differently. This is not only the basis of much UFO conjecture; but also the basis of both magic and good military practice dating back to Sun Tzu. Our brains are thematic feedback amplifiers. Seeing something sets up expectations which cause us to interpret vague forms and motions as having particular meanings supporting the main conjecture. Magicians, priests, con men, and Generals use these expectations to their advantage. The most fascinating incident o fthis was a UFO which I saw one night as a teen ager. It was a reddish dome flying along some stratus clouds, portholes with beings behind them. It was HUGE!!! I finally saw a real... About that time, the back of my mind started pestering me. Isn't that where the moon rises? And with that, the interpretation of portholes with aliens collapsed. The "porthole" images reverted to whisps of clouds curling over, with other smaller whisps for what I had thought might be aliens. With that, I burst out laughing at myself! My mother was walking up the hill at that moment, so just for fun I told her "look at the UFO!" She was in shock! It took me perhaps 15 minutes to talk her out of seeing it as a UFO. By then, the moon had all but cleared the cloud layer, and it was damned obvious that it was The Moon! At least to me. Sadly, I did not get to repeat this with my father, who is a better, more technically oriented observer than my mother. What I am saying, is that with some expectations set by others, we tend to see what we expect, tend to interpret things as others expect us to interpret them. My college psychology textbook had references to psychological experiments to this effect done by the war department around WW-II. Few, asked to rate aircraft visibility and identification, would go against the group to say what they were looking at was a bird even when it was obvious to them. And this is the core of being a "Mad Scientist" -- The steadfast belief that your observations are "more real" than others, even as you try to see how others could misinterpret their data; and even more, how you might misinterpret your data. > I can see you shaking your head wondering what the heck has the belief in > UFO's to do with Mr. Singer. The fact is that Mr. Singer has not proven himself > YET in the science world. Also his mention of economy being helped by world > wide climate changes is outrageous. So it seems to you. Mind you, the converse has not been proven either. All we see, are some signs. And peer pressure has convinced many to ignore signs which contradict the mass assumption. > I can see him now touring Arche Indonesia telling the survivors how very > lucky they are because of all the relief money flooding in. Now the economy will > really take off !! > Oh yes back to the UFO dudes above. All above are to be respected for not > only their opinions but for their accomplishments. I would love to have any or > all of them as a dinner guest, how interesting to learn how and why they come > to their conclusions. Agree that they would be fascinating to talk to! > Do I agree with them ? I don't think logic supports the idea. Sorry, only > little green men I have ever seen was outside a bar near the nuke plant down > the road. Gee, than you've seen more green men than I have! Or maybe not. the owner of a pitbull looked particularly green when he came running toward me to save my life. He expected the dog, which had attack training, to be chewing me up. Fact was, the pitbull was leaning against me quite relaxed and content as I petted it. Expectations. The dog expected someone to flee. I stepped out of one realm of expectations into another, that of a friend sitting on the ground wanting to play with it. As those expectations gained more cues, the dog changed its behavior and treated me like a good friend. (This same dog nearly ripped the man's landlord's arm off and got him evicted. The landlord had tried to flee, staying firmly in the attack training posture.) > Our renegade professors are fun to listen to, not to mention there is always > some truth in what they say. Professor Singer seems to know good Public > Relations, being a Devils Advocate is a sure way to get published, not to forget > fees from the seminars he will have, all sold out I bet. A devils advocate, from what I have heard, generally has a harder time getting published. Indeed, it is often impossible in the mainstream peer-reviewed press. Not so hard when it comes to books, though. > I believe this is a good answer to the above. > > "There are of course many phenomena in this world which are not explained > and it is possible to say that the orthodox scientist is the last person to > accept that something new (or old) may exist which cannot be explained in > accordance with his understanding of natural laws." Yep. But what I see, is most people, mass and scientists, citing one set of "evidence" while conveniently ignoring another set. This is not what Feynman said science is. Indeed, he called that pseudo-science; and said the world was quite full of that. I don't know if the world is getting hotter or colder. I don't know if the trend is sufficiently out of the norms for us to say yet. And I know that I do not know! All I know, is that most who speak of global warming dismiss or ignore ANY signs which contradict their hypothesis. And that, is the breakdown of science in their minds. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd.