In a message dated 8/17/2005 5:57:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 > javilk@mall-net.com writes:

> style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><= > FONT=20 > style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= > =3D2> =20 > I really wish you'd set your mail handler to conform to internet=20 >
standards! (I know, it's MS's G**D***** arrogance, not yours, in= > =20 >
setting it up this way so they can break everyting that they don't own= > !=20 >
With billions of dollars loss from their virus emabling stupidity, MS=20 >
machines should be banned from the internet!)
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Sorry, I have no idea what you are speaking of. How do I set up m= > y=20 > mail handler? Didn't know I had one. About the only thing=20= > I do=20 > with my PC is to search the internet, read or write E-Mail, and sometimes se= > nd=20 > pictures of family here and there.

I am not a teckie.

My cell phone is a marvel, it takes pictures, plays games etc. I=20= > have=20 > no idea what else it does because I only use it for an emergency. In 5=20 > years I used it twice, once for a flat tire on trailer towing my jet=20 > skis, and once when power went out to check on my mom. > >

I have a dvd that I do not use unless one of my kids wants to wat= > ch a=20 > movie and can get the darn thing to work.

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>I had a radio=20 > alarm clock for years, then one day a power outage made me late for work, I=20= > now=20 > have a wind up clock and love it, the ticking is white noise, sleep comes=20 > easy.

Come to think of it, I do seem to be down rating my teck life=20 > style. My microwave is so small now, big enough for a dinner pla= > te,=20 > about 1/3 the size of my first one. I threw out the electric knife, don't kn= > ow=20 > what I wanted with that. The food grinder is gone replaced with a plastic jo= > b=20 > with a manual turn handle. I find a pot of oil on the stove works as well as= > an=20 > expensive Fry Daddy.

In the last few minutes I did a quick tour of my home and went looking=20= > for=20 > the teck stuff that I do not need or use. WoW=20 > !!!!! On the wall of my pantry I see 9 p= > lug=20 > in cords that go to kitchen stuff, griddles etc. can't remember when I=20= > last=20 > used any of the appliances the cords go to. All this stuff that=20= > uses=20 > electricity is nuts. When was the last time you made pancakes wit= > h an=20 > electric devise?

Not just the kitchen, the bathroom is a wild source of electric using=20 > thingies. Under the counter I found 4 hair dryers, 6 electric types of= > =20 > hair curlers, 3 face shavers, a tub spa, nail care unit, foot bath, so far I= > =20 > have only hit the tip of the ice burger there are 2 more cabinets to check=20 > out.

When something is not used, it is useless, so why do people have all th= > e,=20 > lets face it Crap?

GOOD GREEF as I look around my house not only do I see the tecki=20 > stuff but the non-tec things that fill the place like a used junk=20 > store.

When I moved in here 10 years ago I brought nothing except clothing and= > =20 > family photos. Now I have collected enough for a family of 10 instead of a=20 > family of 2.

Where did all this stuff come from? I have to admit that books, c= > lose=20 > to a religious experience for me take up way too much space. Lots of the oth= > er=20 > stuff comes from my mom who is weeding out family stuff, she is 86 years old= > and=20 > too tired to dust things or polish silver. So I who have no time to du= > st=20 > or polish, jam all that stuff in cardboard boxes and stack them in any room=20= > not=20 > open to the public.

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>Dear Javilk,=20 > I thank you for your question about my mail manager. In a flight of id= > eas=20 > I have ended up thinking of a humongus garage sale. > >

ONE PROBLEM, I am a Yankee, and Yan= > kees=20 > never throw ANYTHING out or get rid of it for any=20 > reason. This is hard, I have had to loose or g= > ive=20 > up things in my life and wont you just know it, I had to at sometime or othe= > r go=20 > out and buy it again.

So, I am going to find out about my mail manager, and make a plan to=20 > DE-TECK the house.

Again, thanks Javilk, sometimes the most= > =20 > innocent statements make big changes in others lives.

= > ; &nb= > sp;=20 > Regards Vesta

>No man=20 > survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who= > cry=20 > 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please."=20 >

> > -------------------------------1124486406-- > > --===============0029762417== > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > --===============0029762417==-- > From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 15:46:24 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 15:46:27 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Darwinism of the Appliances In-Reply-To: <20050819224528.4798.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Aug 19, 2005 10:45:28 PM Message-ID: <20050819224624.5090.qmail@mall-net.com> Sorry, my fingers fumbledd from laughing as I tried to change the title. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 16:47:39 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Fri Aug 19 16:48:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pharmacists Speak on the "Right to Refuse" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050819234739.99951.qmail@web51912.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta, I wish I could give a simple answer, but I don't think there is one for this topic. the problem of a pharmacist refusing to issue copntraceptives/abortificant medication due to personal beliefs brings up some thorny questions. does he own the shop? is it the only shop in town? would selling a morning after pill in the first have prevented a surgical abortion? would the morning after pill have prevented yet another child going through the foster/welfare/child-services machine? is it right (whatever that means) to require a woman to bring a fetus to term against the woman's will? I don't have any good answers to these, as I dropped out of the christian faith about 25 years ago (tho' people tell me I'm one of the more christian people they know... strange world.) --- Vesta111@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:16:29 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > mbest@triad.rr.com writes: > > _http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/510299?src=mp_ > (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/510299?src=mp) > > > Years ago, in a moment of insanity, I decided to > follow a life seeing to the > care of our oldest generations. What a > mistake that was. I found > myself jumping from job to job due to the rules that > you do what you are told > and no questions. > > No way I could starve anything or anyone to > death or give medication that > was given not to benefit the patient but to keep > the staff from having to > spend one more minute with any one patient than > another. > > I know that if I worked for a doctor and was told > that I would have to work > with a patient that was going for a partial birth > abortion, I would RUN, > HIDE. and bang my head against the floor before I > decided to run off and live in > a cave away from humans that turned my brain to > jello. > > There are some things in this world that people > cannot abide, I can most > happily hand out the pill to halt pregnancy in the > first month or so. After 3 > months I get a bit uncomfortable. At 4 months I > cannot handle it, I have a > grandchild born in the 5th month all 18 ozs. ugly > as hell. Kind of reminded > me of a frog that had been exposed to pesticides. > > So, after years of schooling, seeing my family all > proud of my life choice, > I now have a (CHOICE) of giving up my job and then > what ? Or, I can twist > and warp my brain to except what is and has all > ways been unthinkable. > > With the changes in society and the advances in > medicine I find I am at a > loss to figure out what is the ethical, moral and > sane way of life. I pray to > God for guidance on these issues. > > Regards Vesta > > > > > > > > > > > No man survives when freedom fails, The best men > rot in filthy jails, And > those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by > those they tried to please." > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 17:17:57 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 17:17:59 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C974701468A90@pzisexch.poco.com> from "Moore, Frank" at Aug 19, 2005 04:36:08 PM Message-ID: <20050820001757.64556.qmail@mall-net.com> > I think the problem is on his end... not yours. Your e-mails to the > ListServer always look fine to me... And I have no problem seeing the > passages you have quoted from others. They have a blue line that runs > down the left margin. I do notice that they are HTML format, which is > fine to me. I prefer e-mail in HTML. Perhaps Javilk has his server set > to "Plain Text" only? If the receiving mail server automatically > converts HTML to Plain Text, it may jumble things around a bit. All the lists I've used over the last 12 years blocked HTML mail. That includes the web consultant's list, folks who write in HTML for a living. Why? Use to be just because it was excessive; now it's another way of getting viruses. So yes, this computer geek and webmaster does not have HTML mail enabled. Indeed, I am using a mail handler that is incapable of hanling HTML, atchooments etc. And with that, I've not caught any viruses. Ever. (Though it helps that I'm running Linux.) Plus, not all devices out there handle HTML Mail. Of those that do, not everyone enables it for security reasons. And since almost all spam these days is HTML mail, many filter on that! Since I have been getting several hundred spams per hour (and blocking most of them), I usually handle my e-mail on the server without downloading to my machine. As do many with similar situations. That means a simple mail handler which does not do HTML. This is the only HTML Mail source that I allow through my mail filter. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 18:13:44 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 19 18:14:05 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pharmacists Speak on the "Right to Refuse" In-Reply-To: <20050819234739.99951.qmail@web51912.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050820011344.97195.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> THE PHUCKING PHARMAPSUEDO'S BETTER FUCKING BE CAREFUL. THEY ARE WALKING ON EGGSHELLS WITH PEOPLE LIKE ME; AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHERS OUT THERE WHO FEEL THE SAME ABOUT ALL OF THE CORRUPTION. PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE PISSED AT ALL OF THE PHRAUDULENT PHARMAPSUEDO SHIT THAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES. DO WE THE PEOPLE STILL HAVE THE TEAMWORK FIGHTING BACK POWER, TO FIGHT ALL OF THE GOD DAMNED FUCKERS LIKE MERK? CERTAIN PLACES IN THE PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX NEED TO BE BOMBED STRATEGICALLY. AND IT ISN'T MY WILL TO BE A TERRORIST. VITAMINS AND MINERAL MAY NOT BE THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION(S), BUT WHEN WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE **OUR** POWER CONTROL, OVER THE FUCKERS AT THE PHARMACOLOGY DICTATORSHIP HEADQUARTERS; THE F.D.A. (THE FUCKED UP FOOD AND DRUG ADDICTION ASSOCIATION.). CLYDE Robert Juliano wrote: Vesta, I wish I could give a simple answer, but I don't think there is one for this topic. the problem of a pharmacist refusing to issue copntraceptives/abortificant medication due to personal beliefs brings up some thorny questions. does he own the shop? is it the only shop in town? would selling a morning after pill in the first have prevented a surgical abortion? would the morning after pill have prevented yet another child going through the foster/welfare/child-services machine? is it right (whatever that means) to require a woman to bring a fetus to term against the woman's will? I don't have any good answers to these, as I dropped out of the christian faith about 25 years ago (tho' people tell me I'm one of the more christian people they know... strange world.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050819/11ad50ec/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 18:37:06 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 19 18:37:10 2005 Subject: REVISED: [Mad-Scientists] Pharmacists Speak on the "Right to Refuse" In-Reply-To: <20050819234739.99951.qmail@web51912.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050820013706.54762.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> REVISED; (PLEASE DISREGARD THE FIRST SEND): THE PHUCKING PHARMAPSUEDO'S BETTER FUCKING BE CAREFUL. THEY ARE WALKING ON EGGSHELLS WITH PEOPLE LIKE ME; AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHERS OUT THERE WHO FEEL THE SAME ABOUT ALL OF THE CORRUPTION. PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE PISSED AT ALL OF THE PHRAUDULENT PHARMAPSUEDO SHIT THAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES. DO WE THE PEOPLE STILL HAVE THE TEAMWORK FIGHTING BACK POWER, TO FIGHT ALL OF THE GOD DAMNED FUCKERS LIKE MERK? CERTAIN PLACES IN THE PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX NEED TO BE BOMBED STRATEGICALLY. AND IT ISN'T MY WILL TO BE A TERRORIST. VITAMINS AND MINERALS MAY NOT BE THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION(S), BUT WHEN WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE **OUR** POWER CONTROL, OVER THE FUCKERS AT THE PHARMACOLOGY DICTATORSHIP HEADQUARTERS: THE F.D.A. (THE FUCKED UP FOOD AND DRUG ADDICTION ASSOCIATION-ADMINISTRATION.), WHAT THE HELL DO WE DO? CLYDE Robert Juliano wrote: Vesta, I wish I could give a simple answer, but I don't think there is one for this topic. the problem of a pharmacist refusing to issue copntraceptives/abortificant medication due to personal beliefs brings up some thorny questions. does he own the shop? is it the only shop in town? would selling a morning after pill in the first have prevented a surgical abortion? would the morning after pill have prevented yet another child going through the foster/welfare/child-services machine? is it right (whatever that means) to require a woman to bring a fetus to term against the woman's will? I don't have any good answers to these, as I dropped out of the christian faith about 25 years ago (tho' people tell me I'm one of the more christian people they know... strange world.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050819/f722ef68/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 19:19:46 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 19 19:19:53 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050817062706.52101.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050820021946.34901.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > Hypertension, heart disease, sleeping problems, post traumatic stress syndrome, short fuse, flash backs, etc. > I AM SHELL SHOCKED BY REALITY; HYPERTENSION STRESS; POST TRAUMATIC STRESS; INSOMNIA FROM HELL; NUCLEAR BLAST-SHORT FUSE PERFECTIONISM TROUBLES; AND RACING THOUGHTS. Post traumatic stress disorder is characterized by slow brain wave forms and low body temperature with some adrenaline spikes. That sounds more like the opposite of your symtomology. I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN. But you could look into EMDR, Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing therapy. I PROBABLY WON'T HAVE THE TIME TO RESEARCH INTO THAT SUBJECT MATERIAL. > MY FATHER AND MY FATHER'S FATHER, BOTH DIED, FROM HEART ATTACK. > IT IS MY WILL NOT FOLLOW THEIR SAME PATHS. > IT IS MY WILL TO BE BOTH A SURIVIOR, AND TO TRANSCEND ALL OF THEIR BULLSHIT, IF IT IS POSSIBLE FOR ME TO DO. The most important thing is that you are trying! So keep trying and you will likely find some things to make life better. I'M TRYING. It really does not matter how they died; what matters is that you don't give up, or you will have effectively followed their paths a lot younger! I WANT TO BLAST BOTH MY DAD, AND MY GRANDFATHER, BUT MAYBE THAT IS THE WRONG WAY TO THINK. I FEEL REVENGE IN MY HEART, BUT THE FEELINGS OF REVENGE ARE ONLY TEARING ME UP INSIDE. > THAT IS WHY I NEED TO COMPLETE E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT, AND TO SLOW MY RACING HYPER VELOCITY THOUGHT PATTERNS, WAY WAY DOWN, TO ALPHA SERENITY; AND TO USE E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. Alpha numbs the mind. I think Theta would be more appropriate, IF 7.83 C.P.S. (CYCLES PER SECOND) IS ALPHA, THEN AT WHAT FREQUENCY DOES THE THETA RANGE BEGIN, AND AT WHAT FREQUENCY DOES THETA RANGE END??? 7.83hz. Works for me. See Anna Wise, "The High Performance Mind; and Hutchinson "Mega Brain Power" and any subsequent books he may have written. He did have a newsletter at one point. > I ALSO NEED 24/7 ACCESS TO CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE THERAPY TECHNOLOGY TOO. > > http://www.chirocity.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1573 Interesting. I wonder if it's that hard to build something like this. I'D HAVE TO HAVE QUITE AN AMOUNT OF MONEY, TO REPLICATE A TECHNOLOGY OF THIS TYPE. > INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY NEEDS TO BE FURTHER MASS PRODUCED, FOR ALL OF US EQUALLY, AND WITH QUALITY HERE IN THE STATES, NOT IN COMMUNIST CRAP WORTHLESS SHODDY SHIT GARBAGE CHINA. > Well, the choice is whether you can afford it or not. $500 from China, or $3000 from the USA. I CHOOSE $3000.00, FROM THE U.S.A., BECAUSE I HAVE ZERO LOVE FOR CHINESE GARBAGE. FUCK CHINA! > MY THOUGHTS; ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT TECHNOLOGY, AND INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGIES ARE TESLA TECHNOLOGIES; OR; MAYBE MORE ACCURATELY; THERAPY TECHNOLOGIES THAT TESLA WORKED TOWARD THE FUTURE OF. > Different people need different things. > THE U.S., AND OUR ALLIES NEED REJUVENATION TECHNOLOGIES, MASS PRODUCED, ON A GRAND SCALE, HERE IN THE STATES, AT WORLD WAR TWO WAR MACHINE SPEED, ON A GRAND COOPERATIVE EFFORT FOR US ALL. I doubt many people would use it. Just because it is something that helps you, does not mean that others will find it as pleasant or as useful as you would. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT MASSES OF PEOPLE WOULD BECOME ADDICTED, IF RESONANT REJUVENATION THERAPY WERE MASS PRODUCED, AT WORLD WAR TWO AMERICAN WAR MACHINE SPEED. > Yep. To us who have Invested our lives in America, tomorrow > matters. America opend her gates to us, housed us, fed us, clothed us, > gave us lives. We owe her our Lives! And so, Father and Son willing to > defend her with our lives. > > AMERICA IS STILL A GOOD COUNTRY, BUT FROM MY LOWER MIDDLE CLASS PERSPECTIVE; IT IS ALSO VERY FUCKED UP, FROM MY ABUSED CHILDHOOD PERSPECTIVE, AS WELL. (Chuckle) You have no idea how bad some other countries are! Why do you think so many try to enter America? I'VE SEEN THE GOOD SIDE OF AMERICA JUST AS EQUALLY AS THE BAD SIDE OF AMERICA. > I WANT AMERICA TO BE AMERICA AGAIN! It's always been America, only different. > NOT THIS FUCKING WARZONE BETWEEN THE FUCKING COMMUNIST LIBERALS, AND THE FUCKING FASCIST CONSERVATIVES. The extremes are, of course, extreme. But there is a lot in the middle. More in the middle than near the edges. YEAH, AND THERE IS ALSO VERY MUCH HORSESHIT BULLSHIT NONSENSE DISINFOMATION IN THE MIDDLE TOO, AS EQUALLY AS AT THE EDGES. > IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE FALL OF THE BERLIN WALL WAS NOT SUCH A GOOD THING TO HAPPEN FOR ANY OF US. Any change brings good and bad. I think the fall of the Communists was a very good thing for the USA, and for the world. However... we appear to have not taken the best steps after it. THAT IS RIGHT; WE HAVEN'T TAKEN THE BEST STEPS TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. BUT FUCK COMMUNISM, AND FUCK FASCISM! Also, we paid a very high price for our cold war efforts; but we did not appreciate what those efforts did for our technology. The cold war started resulting in our national highway system, space exploration, better weather forecasts (saving tens of thousands of lives each year), computer technology (Von Neumann, Grace Hopper, et al developing the first real computers.), Integrated circuits, and a host of other things which we take for granted. If it had not been for the cold war, there would not have been any rush for any of this! DO WE ALL NEED A HOT WAR THEN NOW???; ( NUCLEAR WARS IN VARIOUS PLACES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD,) TO FURTHER THIS FUCKING STAGNANT COUNTRY ALONG, INSTEAD OF IT BEING STUCK IN THE SLUM SLUMP THAT IT IS PRESENTLY IN; AT LEAST THE WAY THAT TECHNICAL ANTI PROGRESSION IS, IN THIS SLUMBURB OF TULSA OKLAHOMA WHERE I AM CURRENTLY FORCED TO HAVE LIVE, AND TO PUT UP WITH THE CEASELESS SENSELESS BULLSHIT??? > HEALTH, WEALTH, AND HAPPINESS ARE FLEETING GLIMPSES OF THINGS THAT I NEED, BUT THAT I CANNOT HAVE. Welcome to the club called "Life". YEAH; LIFE IN QUOTATION MARKS! MANY TIMES LIFE TENDS TO BE ANTI LIFE. > DEPRIVED OF LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. > DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET SOME CYANIDE OR ARSENIC, IN A SUFFICIENT DOSAGE, TO CALL IT QUITS, ON ENDLESS GO NO WHERE, AND ENDLESS PAIN, SUFFERING AND MISERY?? Do you want to lose? Or to win? IT IS MY WILL TO BE A SURVIVOR, AND A WINNER. If you quit, all is lost. Just like when your father died. > DO ANY MAD SCIENTISTS DELIBERATELY END THEIR LIVES FROM FRUSTRATION AND BROKEN HEARTEDNESS? People do it for any number of reasons. But so what! You are still young, there is still a lot of potential which you can reach. I DO WONDER IF I MAY HAVE A SLIM CHANCE TO RECEIVE A MONEY GRANT FROM THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF STANDARDS AND TECHNOLOGY, IN FORT COLLINS AND BOULDER COLORADO, FOR THE TALKING CLOCK PROJECT THAT I WANT DONE: AND I WANT IT DONE IN AMERICA TOO; NOT IN SHIT TURD WORLD COUNTRY CHINA. All the really good scientists overcame difficulties ranging from lack of cash, CASH. I NEED A GOOD MENTOR IN MY LIFE, WHO IS FINACIALLY SUCCESSFUL IN THE RIGHT TYPE OF BUSINESS/ES. to bad Igors screwing up their experiments BAD IGORS: I WONDER IF I CAN PUT MY BIMBO DUMBASS MOM INTO THE CATEGORY OF AN IGOR, SINCE SHE RUINED MY LOTUS SEEDLING THAT WAS SUCCESSFULLY GROWING. because they thought the experiments went against God! > I AM SICK OF THE ENVIRONMENT OF TULSA, AND OKLAHOMA. > THIS SHITTY AND SHTATE ARE SICK, AND I AM SICK AND TIRED BECAUSE OF THEM. Clyde, the prison is in your mind, Not Oklahoma. NOT NECESSARILY; I WENT TO THE GREEN DAY CONCERT, YESTERDAY NIGHT, IN OKLAHOMA SHITTY, AND AGREE WITH POLITICAL VIEWS THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY CONVEYING: AMERICAN IDIOCY. If it's in your mind, you can change it. MONEY AND ANTIMONEY; ALL IN MY MIND??? IF SO, HOW CAN I BRING FINANCIAL SUCCESS INTO MY LIFE, AND KEEP IT??? Go take a dish of water, drop some light machine oil on it, and look for the rainbow in shallow-angle light. See how pretty it is? You can find some of that type of thing in the real world, and a lot of other things. Flowers growing by the sidewalks, and sometimes through them, cloud formations, etc. Go to photoblogs.com and browse through some of the more interesting photographs, looking at color, composition, etc. There are thousands of photos there, don't get hung up on any one artist who might be having a bad week in some city. There are beautiful nature photos there! Something about Durham County is particularly good. DURHAM COUNTY PHOTO BLOG??? There is beauty all around you, Clyde. You just have to look for it so that your mind can begin to recognize it. You've been in a pressure cooker too long. DAMN STRAIGHT ABOUT THE PRESSURE COOKER! You need to do a little wandering through some photos, and through some empty lots, looking at wildflowers, insects, etc. I WAS HOPING THAT I MIGHT FIND LOTUS FLOWERS GROWING HERE IN TULSA, BUT ALL THAT WOODWARD PARK AND THE TULSA GARDEN CENTER CLUB HAVE, ARE WATER NYMPH-WATER LILLIES. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN WATER LILIES. I WANT TRUE NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWERS, AND I'D LIKE TO DO MY OWN PHOTAGRAPHY OF THEM TOO, IS POSSIBLE FOR ME. That's what rejuvenation the mind. I NEED REJUVENATION TECHNOLOGY,,,, BADLY! 1. ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT. 2. INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY. 3. (NELUMBO NUCIFERA) LOTUS FLOWERS, TO GROW, TO PHOTOGRAPH, AND TO EAT. I used to study till my mind went blank, then wander outside in the evening, letting it decide what was beautiful. Lights reflecting from water, sunset colors, flowers, etc. Life is full of beauty! I AGREE; LIFE IS FULL OF BEAUTY. BUT LIFE IS ALSO FULL OF UGLY, EQUALLY AS WELL. I SEE REALITY IN A DUALITY PERSPECTIVE; AND I DON'T LIKE THAT. You just have to look for it. And when you do, you will see that there is beauty in yourself, too. The way you create things, the questions you sometimes ask... many things you do inspire others. YEAH, I HAVE INSPIRED OTHERS, AND THAT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD, BUT IN THE END, IT ALWAYS SEEMS THAT I FAIL, AND THINGS THAT I DO, TURN OUT IN VAIN. BUT NOT ALWAYS THOUGH! (I mean, just look at what you say here. You inspire me to tell you life is better than you think; and that inspires others. I kind of hope you will get better and inspire others directly, though that does take time.) I HOPE THAT THE MASSIVE LISTS OF WEBLINKS THAT I HAVE SHARED,HAVE HELPED, AND HOPE THAT THEY HAVE INSPIRED OTHERS TOO. I WORKED REALLY HARD THE OTHER DAY, TO FURTHER ALONG MY SIXTH LIST OF REMINDER WEBLINKS, BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT I'M READY ENOUGH YET, AT THIS TIME, TO SHARE THEM WITH OTHERS YET, AS THERE ARE MANY OTHER WEBSITES THAT I'D STILL LIKE TO INCLUDE, AND IT WEARS ME OUT, HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE WEBLINKS, JUST TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THEY ARE EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO OTHERS. IT IS A BIG ENERGY DRAINER FOR ME TO SPEND ALL OF THE TIME, COMPILING ALL OF THOSE WEBLINKS TOGETHER, INTO ONE, COMPLETE, GARGANTUAN WHOLE. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050819/c439b079/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 19:23:17 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 19 19:23:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A NEW SAYING, BY DR. MICHAEL SAVAGE. Message-ID: <20050820022318.9809.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> RADIO TALK SHOW HOST; DR. MICHAEL SAVAGE SAYS THAT LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER. WELL; THAT IS PARTIALLY TRUE. LIBERALISM AND CONSERVATIVISM ARE BOTH, EQUALLY, **ENVIRON-MENTAL** DISORDERS! CLYDE LOFTON __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050819/02f27766/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 19:55:13 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 19:55:17 2005 Subject: REVISED: [Mad-Scientists] Pharmacists Speak on the "Right to Refuse" In-Reply-To: <20050820013706.54762.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 19, 2005 06:37:06 PM Message-ID: <20050820025513.94195.qmail@mall-net.com> > THE PHUCKING PHARMAPSUEDO'S BETTER FUCKING > BE CAREFUL. > THEY ARE WALKING ON EGGSHELLS WITH PEOPLE LIKE ME; > AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHERS OUT THERE > WHO FEEL THE SAME ABOUT ALL OF THE CORRUPTION. > PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE PISSED AT ALL OF THE PHRAUDULENT > PHARMAPSUEDO SHIT THAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES. So are those who know. Not all care, and when it comes time to get help, well... most people are grateful for any help they get. > DO WE THE PEOPLE STILL HAVE THE TEAMWORK FIGHTING > BACK POWER, TO FIGHT ALL OF THE GOD DAMNED > FUCKERS LIKE MERK? They just lost a major lawsuit, and are now more likely to get HURT financially. Perhaps the industry will think more carefully... Or perhaps just jack up prices to compensate. Jail time is required. That short circuit's the bean counters controls. > CERTAIN PLACES IN THE PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL > KOMPLEX NEED TO BE BOMBED STRATEGICALLY. > AND IT ISN'T MY WILL TO BE A TERRORIST. The effectiveness of terrorism is directly proportional to the number of bodies available to become terrorists. As America during the depression and the Jews in WW-II have shown, that number is very low among civilized people. Other historical examples show that this is much, much higher in areas where people have little to lose, such as among refugees. Once people invest in a home, they see a future which is dependent upon law and order helping them maintain ownership of that home. It may not be a great future; but it IS a future. And with that, the potential body count supporting terrorism falls as long as no external force is seen threatening to take that home away. Real wars are fought to preserve a sense of home and a way of life. Brothers are willing to sacrifice for brothers. Neighbors, for the neighborhood and the nation. Therefore, the first goal of terror, is to create a pool of refugees by turning a government against those people. Once theses people don't see a future, they may be recruited by the very people who created the initial problem. Or their children who have not yet bought into that sense of home. As the pharmaceutical industry is generally seen as heling everyone, albeit not alway well, and as most of us see a future, the pharmaceutical industry is not something that many would support acts of terrorism against. And when one person does it, the act cause others to have sympathy for the pharmaceutical industry. Quite the contrast in legal actions. The use of Law is usually seen as protecting the average person against the corporations. Thus legal action is far superior to terrorism on two counts. First, it is repeatable! Since there are no casualties, there is no need of disenfranchised bodies to support the action. Furthermore, the government is seen as providing the infrastructure support for the battle and enforcing the results; thus neither the aggrieved parties in civil suits, nor the prosecutor in criminal actions, need risk life and limb to attain concrete results. Second, the average person does not feel fear in such action, and is thus more likely to support it in all respects. Just look at McVey. Despite his act of terror having specific and reasonable causes (Waco and Ruby Ridge), he did not gather popular support. His action scared the populace! Same for Kazynski. He terrified the populace despite a reasonable message -- technology can make default decisions which are not in your best interests. Indeed it can! Had these two people used a more reasonable means of communication -- publications, lawsuits, etc.; they would likely have been viewed as heros by many. Their resorting to terror destroyed their message, destroyed their reputation, and did the opposite of what they wished to do. That is civilization! > VITAMINS AND MINERALS MAY NOT BE THE ULTIMATE > SOLUTION(S), BUT WHEN WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE > **OUR** POWER CONTROL, OVER THE FUCKERS AT THE > PHARMACOLOGY DICTATORSHIP HEADQUARTERS: > THE F.D.A. (THE FUCKED UP FOOD AND DRUG ADDICTION > ASSOCIATION-ADMINISTRATION.), WHAT THE HELL DO WE > DO? It is difficult! The web has made it easier for us to search out alternatives. Some work, some don't... But again, the web has made it easier for us to find those who have tried this or that therapy, and comment on how it was for them. The number one threat to the pharmaceutical companies is the internet! As to control... we DO have control. We can chose not to take pharmaceuticals, and look for nutritional alternatives first, and pharmaceuticals only when there are no nutritional alternatives. But... in some cases there are NO good alternatives, not even pharmaceuticals. We do die, you know. Part of the dignity of a good life is accepting this and not going bonkers when your time is up. That is not to say you don't do all you reasonably can to see if there are alternatives... but have consideration for others who may live longer. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Aug 19 20:16:28 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Fri Aug 19 20:16:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pharmacists Speak Message-ID: <000e01c5a535$8ea33ec0$6501a8c0@mikey> Vesta has a point, but allow me to extend it to the point of absurdity. If I were in heath care, and ordered to circumcise a newborn boy without his consent, I would refuse. If ordered to withhold treatment from a comatose patient without a Living Will to that effect, I would refuse. But the choice of contraceptive use is made by a sane adult, and the pharmacist only provides the medication. For the pharmacist to refuse to serve the customer on "moral grounds" implies that the pharmacist is attempting to impress his belief structure on another. THIS is unethical. It is tantamount to holding the knife manufacturer liable for the use of his product by a rapist, or the bartender for the drunk driver. Or for that matter, Vesta, should you refuse to pay your taxes because thy support a war some consider unjust? Yes, your tax dollars support the military in Iraq. Why not refuse to buy gasoline, because the Saudis use that profit to support Islamic Jihad? No- we have no responsibility for anyone's salvation other than our own. We are required to show them the path to salvation, but it is their choice to accept or deny it. We will be judged only on our own actions, not the actions of others. And the actions spoken of regarding enforcement of morality upon others are the same as the cause of every religious war in human history, including the present terrorist jihad. Tolerance is the key- not attempting to enforce beliefs upon others. -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 21:17:44 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 21:17:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A NEW SAYING, BY DR. MICHAEL SAVAGE. In-Reply-To: <20050820022318.9809.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 19, 2005 07:23:17 PM Message-ID: <20050820041744.40303.qmail@mall-net.com> > RADIO TALK SHOW HOST; DR. MICHAEL SAVAGE > SAYS THAT LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER. > > WELL; THAT IS PARTIALLY TRUE. > > LIBERALISM AND CONSERVATIVISM ARE BOTH, > EQUALLY, **ENVIRON-MENTAL** DISORDERS! (Chuckle) Some philosopher, I foget who; but I suspect he was French, said that if one is not liberal in one's youth, one does not have a heart. IF one is not conservative in one's maturity, one does not have a mind. We need both, and democracy tends to balance them out and season them a bit with the need to debate both sides. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 21:41:07 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 19 21:41:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REGARDING JOHN DELOREAN. Message-ID: <20050820044107.19008.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> EXCERPTS FROM THE BOOK: HARD DRIVING, (FROM PAGE 126, PARAGRAPHS TWO AND THREE), AUTHORED BY WILLIAM HADDAD; WITH SOME OF MR. HADDAD'S COMMENTARY, A QUOTATION FROM JOHN DELOREAN, AND A LITTLE BIT OF MY ADDED COMMENTS AT THE END: HADDAD: JOHN CONTINUED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES OF OUR DEPENDENCE ON ARAB OIL. HE BELIEVED IN BOTH PRESIDENT NIXON'S AND PRESIDENT CARTER'S PLANS TO MAKE THE NATION SELF-SUFFICIENT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES, BUT EVERY TIME A REPORT ON THE SUBJECT WAS ISSUED, JOHN WAS DISAPPOINTED. DELOREAN: "THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY'RE DOING;" HADDAD: HE SAID. DELOREAN: "A BUNCH OF ACADEMICS WITH THEIR HEADS UP THEIR ASSHOLES ARE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND." HADDAD: JOHN'S ANSWER WAS TO HAVE ME PREPARE A REPORT FOR THE PRESIDENT ON HIS VIEW OF ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT. HE USED EVERY CONTACT IN INDUSTRY HE KNEW, AND I FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH A TEAM OF MY OWN. WHEN THE REPORT WAS COMPLETED, I SENT IT TO PRESIDENT CARTER, TO KEY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, AND TO OTHER INFLUENTIAL AMERICANS. THE WHITE HOUSE AND OTHERS PRAISED IT, AND BEGAN TO CITE IT IN REPORTS. EDITORIALS SOON APPEARED, AND JACK ANDERSON WROTE A COLUMN ON JOHN'S VIEW THAT HYDROGEN WAS THE FUEL OF THE FUTURE. THIS WAS THE JOHN I HAD KNOWN IN GENERAL MOTORS DAYS. MY THOUGHTS/COMMENTS (CLYDE): JOHN DELOREAN'S VIEW ON AMERICAN DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL, AND HIS VIEW ON THE NECESSARY DEVELOPMENT OF COUNTERCONVENTIONAL (ESOTERIC) ENERGY ALTERNATIVES, AND HYDROGEN AS A NATIONAL FUEL, IS IN 100% SYNCHRONOCITY WITH THE WAY THAT I FEEL. CAN HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN BE EASILY SPLIT FROM WATER, USING ONLY TUNED SONIC ENERGY, TUNED TO A PERFECT RESONANT CAVITY, TO PRODUCE CHEAP AND ABUNDANT HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN GASSES, TO PRODUCE AND BURN THE GASSES AT WILL, SO AS TO WHERE THERE WOULD BE NO NEED OR WORRY, FOR DANGEROUS EXPLOSIVE GARGANTUAN SIZED STORAGE TANKS REQUIRED; ONLY JUST A FULL TANK OF WATER ONLY, AND NOT MUCH ELSE, TO GET US TO PLACES, BOTH EFFICIENTLY AND INEXPENSIVELY??? CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050819/9aa616f2/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 22:29:38 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 22:29:44 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050820021946.34901.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 19, 2005 07:19:46 PM Message-ID: <20050820052938.79240.qmail@mall-net.com> > > I AM SHELL SHOCKED BY REALITY; HYPERTENSION STRESS; POST TRAUMATIC > STRESS; INSOMNIA FROM HELL; NUCLEAR BLAST-SHORT FUSE PERFECTIONISM > TROUBLES; AND RACING THOUGHTS. > > Post traumatic stress disorder is characterized by slow brain wave > forms and low body temperature with some adrenaline spikes. That sounds > more like the opposite of your symtomology. > > I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN. > > But you could look into EMDR, Eye Movement Desensitization and > Reprocessing therapy. > > I PROBABLY WON'T HAVE THE TIME TO RESEARCH INTO THAT SUBJECT MATERIAL. Do you have memories of things which really bother you? Events which keep flashing back in your mind? If not, then EMDR is less likely to be useful. > It really does not matter how they died; what matters is that you > don't give up, or you will have effectively followed their paths a lot > younger! > > I WANT TO BLAST BOTH MY DAD, AND MY GRANDFATHER, BUT MAYBE THAT IS THE WRONG WAY TO THINK. > I FEEL REVENGE IN MY HEART, BUT THE FEELINGS OF REVENGE ARE ONLY TEARING ME UP INSIDE. If there are specific instances which kindle this, then EMDR would likely be quite useful. But if your anger is physiologically based, and your father and grandfather are just convenient targets, then I don't know how useful EMDR would be. > > THAT IS WHY I NEED TO COMPLETE E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT, AND TO SLOW > MY RACING HYPER VELOCITY THOUGHT PATTERNS, WAY WAY DOWN, TO ALPHA > SERENITY; AND TO USE E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. > > Alpha numbs the mind. I think Theta would be more appropriate, > > IF 7.83 C.P.S. (CYCLES PER SECOND) IS ALPHA, THEN AT > WHAT FREQUENCY DOES THE THETA RANGE BEGIN, AND > AT WHAT FREQUENCY DOES THETA RANGE END??? 7.83 is the middle of Theta. Alpha is around 12. As you slip below 5hz, memory starts failing because the nerve cells have enough time to heal between pulses. And with that, you slip into sleep. There is some stuff on brain waves and health at http://www.sitepsych.com/alt/bioergo/bwaves.html > > INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY NEEDS TO BE FURTHER MASS > PRODUCED, FOR ALL OF US EQUALLY, AND WITH QUALITY HERE IN THE STATES, > NOT IN COMMUNIST CRAP WORTHLESS SHODDY SHIT GARBAGE CHINA. > > > Well, the choice is whether you can afford it or not. $500 from > China, or $3000 from the USA. > > > I CHOOSE $3000.00, FROM THE U.S.A., BECAUSE I HAVE ZERO LOVE FOR CHINESE GARBAGE. But do you chose nothing in stead of something? That is often the choice. Most chose something, even if it is chinese. > I THINK THAT MASSES OF PEOPLE WOULD BECOME ADDICTED, IF RESONANT REJUVENATION THERAPY WERE MASS PRODUCED, AT WORLD WAR TWO AMERICAN WAR MACHINE SPEED. It would take a major, highly visible need to get our industry to do that. 10% - 25% of our people wanting -- asking retailers for it -- would get some action. But nothing short of the threat of conquest would get that level of cooperation. > I'VE SEEN THE GOOD SIDE OF AMERICA JUST AS EQUALLY AS THE BAD SIDE OF AMERICA. I really don't think so. > > I WANT AMERICA TO BE AMERICA AGAIN! > > It's always been America, only different. > > > NOT THIS FUCKING WARZONE BETWEEN THE FUCKING COMMUNIST LIBERALS, AND > THE FUCKING FASCIST CONSERVATIVES. given that they are not shooting at each other with guns, nor throwing rocks at each other, I'd say it wasn't a war zone. > The extremes are, of course, extreme. But there is a lot in the > middle. More in the middle than near the edges. > > YEAH, AND THERE IS ALSO VERY MUCH HORSESHIT BULLSHIT NONSENSE DISINFOMATION IN THE MIDDLE TOO, AS EQUALLY AS AT THE EDGES. Given that people talk in the middle, I think most of the lies end up exposed rather quickly in the minddle grounds. And not just by the opposition, either! A lot of middle of the road Republicans hate Falwell. > > IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE FALL OF THE BERLIN WALL WAS NOT SUCH A GOOD > THING TO HAPPEN FOR ANY OF US. > > Any change brings good and bad. I think the fall of the Communists > was a very good thing for the USA, and for the world. However... we > appear to have not taken the best steps after it. > > THAT IS RIGHT; WE HAVEN'T TAKEN THE BEST STEPS TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. We don't have the vision. > Also, we paid a very high price for our cold war efforts; but we > did not appreciate what those efforts did for our technology. The cold > war started resulting in our national highway system, space exploration, > better weather forecasts (saving tens of thousands of lives each year), > computer technology (Von Neumann, Grace Hopper, et al developing the > first real computers.), Integrated circuits, and a host of other things > which we take for granted. > > If it had not been for the cold war, there would not have been any > rush for any of this! > > DO WE ALL NEED A HOT WAR THEN NOW???; ( NUCLEAR WARS IN VARIOUS PLACES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD,) TO FURTHER THIS FUCKING STAGNANT COUNTRY ALONG, INSTEAD OF IT BEING STUCK IN THE SLUM SLUMP THAT IT IS PRESENTLY IN; AT LEAST THE WAY THAT TECHNICAL ANTI PROGRESSION IS, IN THIS SLUMBURB OF TULSA OKLAHOMA WHERE I AM CURRENTLY FORCED TO HAVE LIVE, AND TO PUT UP WITH THE CEASELESS SENSELESS BULLSHIT??? I don't think we need a hot war. Oh, one will come, war always comes sooner or later. But not tomorrow. We need leaders with some vision. Ronald Reagan had vision, and got it across. > > HEALTH, WEALTH, AND HAPPINESS ARE FLEETING GLIMPSES OF THINGS THAT I > NEED, BUT THAT I CANNOT HAVE. Well, it's all relative. Health, yes, you do need more of; but you are better off than quite a lot of people in Africa, even a fair number in America. Wealth is relative. Many in other parts of the world would consider you wealthy. As for happiness, there is that wonderful saying, "Happy people don't make history." But I have been laying the path to happiness in front of you over and over, and you just don't want to try it. Seems you don't really want happiness. The Dalai Lama says that "human relations besed on mutual compassion and love are fundamentally important to human happiness." Happiness does not derive just from human relations. Dogs too, evoke much of this compassion and warmth. I miss my two Roamenough Dogs. When they roamed enough, they'd drop by for a visit. They were the perfict dog friends. Sometimes we walked together, sometimes just sat. And then, they would go one their way. I loved those two guys, and I know they loved me. But their owner moved, and so they left. I miss them. (Sniff.) We were just very, very good friends. It's like that with humans. Good friends own themselves. They come, they share, then they leave. But it isn't just dogs. One needs to cultivate an appreciation for all of the things around one. Hence my repeated suggestions you take photographs, frame (look at things through a frame to compose), and/or write about things which look beautiful. Wildflowers growing by the road, the shimmer of a thin layer of oil on a puddle in the road, a sunset... When you start looking at these things, relaxing and looking at them, you begin to create a relationship in your brain. You begin to see that you are in a relationship with all that is around you. "Rather than being unhappy and hateful, we should rejoice in the success of others." Easier said than done; but... as you study the successes of others, you begin to see how you may succeed yourself. > Welcome to the club called "Life". > > YEAH; LIFE IN QUOTATION MARKS! > > MANY TIMES LIFE TENDS TO BE ANTI LIFE. That, I think, is rare. Now, I have no love for the city. But I have lived in cities, worked in cities, and found myself happy because I was doing something interesting and useful. You, being in retail, are helping others. Smile at them. Complement them on something. Soon, as you see them take happiness in your complement, you will see yourself as gaining happiness tooo. > > DEPRIVED OF LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I don't think we are deprived of those. > > DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET SOME CYANIDE OR ARSENIC, IN A > SUFFICIENT DOSAGE, TO CALL IT QUITS, ON ENDLESS GO NO WHERE, AND ENDLESS > PAIN, SUFFERING AND MISERY?? > > Do you want to lose? Or to win? > > IT IS MY WILL TO BE A SURVIVOR, AND A WINNER. > > If you quit, all is lost. Just > like when your father died. So look at Tomorrow. Look at how, through your actions today, you can make Tomorrow better. > > > DO ANY MAD SCIENTISTS DELIBERATELY END THEIR LIVES FROM FRUSTRATION AND BROKEN HEARTEDNESS? > > People do it for any number of reasons. But so what! You are > still young, there is still a lot of potential which you can reach. > > I DO WONDER IF I MAY HAVE A SLIM CHANCE TO RECEIVE A MONEY GRANT FROM THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF STANDARDS AND TECHNOLOGY, IN FORT COLLINS AND BOULDER COLORADO, FOR THE TALKING CLOCK PROJECT THAT I WANT DONE: AND I WANT IT DONE IN AMERICA TOO; NOT IN SHIT TURD WORLD COUNTRY CHINA. The Small Business Association would be more appropriate. I took some classes there many years ago. But they tend to want to control things, and to pull the plug quickly when things don't take off, blame someone, and just... It's not a good deal. > I NEED A GOOD MENTOR IN MY LIFE, WHO IS FINACIALLY SUCCESSFUL IN THE RIGHT TYPE OF BUSINESS/ES. Those are hard to find... one finds them by offering to help them, seeking work with them, etc. Then one has to excell and show oneself to be worthy of their mentoring. That's not easy! > BAD IGORS: I WONDER IF I CAN PUT MY BIMBO DUMBASS MOM INTO THE CATEGORY OF AN IGOR, SINCE SHE RUINED MY LOTUS SEEDLING THAT WAS SUCCESSFULLY GROWING. One needs put less value on any one experiment. > > I AM SICK OF THE ENVIRONMENT OF TULSA, AND OKLAHOMA. > > THIS SHITTY AND SHTATE ARE SICK, AND I AM SICK AND TIRED BECAUSE OF THEM. > Clyde, the prison is in your mind, Not Oklahoma. > > > NOT NECESSARILY; I WENT TO THE GREEN DAY CONCERT, YESTERDAY > NIGHT, IN OKLAHOMA SHITTY, AND AGREE WITH POLITICAL VIEWS THAT > THEY ARE CURRENTLY CONVEYING: AMERICAN IDIOCY. > > > If it's in your mind, you can change it. > > MONEY AND ANTIMONEY; ALL IN MY MIND??? Exactly! More antimoney than ways of getting money. If you hate money, you will never get much of it. If you enjoy what you do to get money, the help you bring to others, then opportunities will come your way. > IF SO, HOW CAN I BRING FINANCIAL SUCCESS INTO MY LIFE, AND KEEP IT??? One person can not know what is going on everywhere. The more frends one has, the more opportunities one hears about. And friends are made by sharing, talking, helping. The best friends are those with similar values. > Go take a dish of water, drop some light machine oil on it, and > look for the rainbow in shallow-angle light. See how pretty it is? You > can find some of that type of thing in the real world, and a lot of > other things. Flowers growing by the sidewalks, and sometimes through > them, cloud formations, etc. > > Go to photoblogs.com and browse through some of the more interesting > photographs, looking at color, composition, etc. There are thousands of > photos there, don't get hung up on any one artist who might be having a > bad week in some city. There are beautiful nature photos there! > Something about Durham County is particularly good. > > > DURHAM COUNTY PHOTO BLOG??? Yes... let me find it for you... http://www.DurhamTownship.com/ > There is beauty all around you, Clyde. You just have to look for > it so that your mind can begin to recognize it. You've been in a > pressure cooker too long. > > DAMN STRAIGHT ABOUT THE PRESSURE COOKER! We need to difuse it, to cool it down a little by, well, giving you some sense that all is well with this world. It isn't really, but there is enough well that you can feel well. > I WANT TRUE NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWERS, AND I'D LIKE TO DO MY > OWN PHOTAGRAPHY OF THEM TOO, IS POSSIBLE FOR ME. > That's what rejuvenation the mind. > > > I NEED REJUVENATION TECHNOLOGY,,,, BADLY! > 1. ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT. > 2. INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY. > 3. (NELUMBO NUCIFERA) LOTUS FLOWERS, TO GROW, TO PHOTOGRAPH, AND TO EAT. The brainwave stuff you are working on. Could inversion therapy help you? Or maybe just holding your hands on the top of a door, and letting your body hang limp from those hands. > Life is full of beauty! > > I AGREE; LIFE IS FULL OF BEAUTY. Well... start looking for or at some, describe what you see. > BUT LIFE IS ALSO FULL OF UGLY, EQUALLY AS WELL. Ugliness is a point of view. Is a bat ugly? It is quite functional. > I SEE REALITY IN A DUALITY PERSPECTIVE; > AND I DON'T LIKE THAT. If you can only see two perspectives, you are not very imaginative. > You just have to look for it. And when > you do, you will see that there is beauty in yourself, too. The way you > create things, the questions you sometimes ask... many things you do > inspire others. > > YEAH, I HAVE INSPIRED OTHERS, AND THAT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD, BUT IN THE END, IT ALWAYS SEEMS THAT I FAIL, AND THINGS THAT I DO, TURN OUT IN VAIN. So what! Do it anyway! There was a set of sayings on a wall at Mother Teresa' mission about doing it anyway. I read the book the man who wrote that wrote. (wrote that wrote... chuckle, I guess I'm slowing down for the night.) > > BUT NOT ALWAYS THOUGH! > > (I mean, just look at what you say here. You inspire me to tell > you life is better than you think; and that inspires others. I kind of > hope you will get better and inspire others directly, though that does > take time.) > > I HOPE THAT THE MASSIVE LISTS OF WEBLINKS THAT I HAVE SHARED,HAVE HELPED, AND HOPE THAT THEY HAVE INSPIRED OTHERS TOO. Clyde, it doesn't matter. You have created a contrast, triggered some thought, and between us, taken this dead list and made it alive again. > I WORKED REALLY HARD THE OTHER DAY, TO FURTHER ALONG MY SIXTH LIST OF REMINDER WEBLINKS, BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT I'M READY ENOUGH YET, AT THIS TIME, TO SHARE THEM WITH OTHERS YET, AS > THERE ARE MANY OTHER WEBSITES THAT I'D STILL LIKE TO INCLUDE, AND IT WEARS ME OUT, HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE WEBLINKS, JUST TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THEY ARE EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO OTHERS. > IT IS A BIG ENERGY DRAINER FOR ME TO SPEND ALL OF THE TIME, COMPILING ALL OF THOSE WEBLINKS TOGETHER, INTO ONE, COMPLETE, GARGANTUAN WHOLE. Yes. I built a web site around that concept. Mall-Net. Sad that fades... Link rot, they call it. People move on, change the focus of their web sites, and before you know it, your links are broken. Time to pave Mall-Net's hot list area and link stuff over and start again. Want me to put your links up at Mall-Net? -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 22:52:04 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 22:52:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REGARDING JOHN DELOREAN. In-Reply-To: <20050820044107.19008.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 19, 2005 09:41:07 PM Message-ID: <20050820055204.94378.qmail@mall-net.com> > DELOREAN: > "THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY'RE > DOING;" They stil don't! > EDITORIALS SOON APPEARED, AND JACK ANDERSON > WROTE A COLUMN ON JOHN'S VIEW THAT HYDROGEN > WAS THE FUEL OF THE FUTURE. THIS WAS THE JOHN > I HAD KNOWN IN GENERAL MOTORS DAYS. Yep. Hydrogen... But hydrogen isn't a primary fuel, like oil. It is, at best, an medium of energy conveyance. It is like saying, "Copper is the electricity of the future! If we can just make enough copper, we will have all the electricity we need!" Well, it can help move the electricity and if we spin the copper fast enough, it can help Make the electricity from some other form of energy. Let me repeat that: From some OTHER form of Energy! And that is exactly what hydrogen is -- copper wires! A way of trucking energy from one place to another. > JOHN DELOREAN'S VIEW ON AMERICAN DEPENDENCE > ON FOREIGN OIL, AND HIS VIEW ON THE NECESSARY > DEVELOPMENT OF COUNTERCONVENTIONAL (ESOTERIC) > ENERGY ALTERNATIVES, AND HYDROGEN AS A NATIONAL > FUEL, IS IN 100% SYNCHRONOCITY WITH THE WAY THAT And how, pray tell, does one make hydrogen? Splitting water. Ok... but how does one split water? Well, you put electrodes in the water and... um... electricity does the rest. And where does the electricity come from? Ohh... Solar? Wind power? Natural gas? Oil??? Coal???? All of those can be used to produce the electricity to produce the hydrogen. But... you still have to buy the electricity. > I FEEL. > CAN HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN BE EASILY SPLIT FROM > WATER, USING ONLY TUNED SONIC ENERGY, TUNED TO > A PERFECT RESONANT CAVITY, TO PRODUCE CHEAP > AND ABUNDANT HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN GASSES, TO Well, you still have to put energy in to split the hydrogen from the oxygen. Mike? How much energy? > PRODUCE AND BURN THE GASSES AT WILL, SO AS TO > WHERE THERE WOULD BE NO NEED OR WORRY, FOR > DANGEROUS EXPLOSIVE GARGANTUAN SIZED STORAGE > TANKS REQUIRED; ONLY JUST A FULL TANK OF WATER > ONLY, AND NOT MUCH ELSE, TO GET US TO PLACES, > BOTH EFFICIENTLY AND INEXPENSIVELY?? What, a tank of water in the car, then make it as you drive? But you still need energy, and I rather suspect that it's easier to store that energy in batteries and use it in motors; than split hydrogen, compress it, store it, and then burn it in an internal combustion engine. Methane from methane clathrates off shore, all over the world, has four times the total energy reserves as oil. But CH4 is less dense, and thus harder to handle than C8H18. Less energy per gallon. A LOT less energy per gallon! You still need energy. Hydrogen isn't an energy source, it's an energy transport medium. Politicians are not scientists. they stil think that Gasohol is important to their elections. Yes, they are right about that! The corn lobby certainly contributes as much as they can to their re-election! But it's a waste of energy to grow corn for Gasohol, not a source. (Or maybe the economics have finally changed, now that real oil is priced so high. But how much of America do you have to plant with corn to meet our national energy needs?) The answer is Nuclear and methane clathrates for the short run. Solar and wind as a medium range, and nuclear fusion for the long run. At least, that's my opinion. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 23:17:45 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 23:17:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050820052938.79240.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Aug 20, 2005 05:29:38 AM Message-ID: <20050820061745.7248.qmail@mall-net.com> > > As you slip below 5hz, memory starts failing because the nerve > cells have enough time to heal between pulses. And with that, you slip > into sleep. > > There is some stuff on brain waves and health at > http://www.sitepsych.com/alt/bioergo/bwaves.html > I forgot to mention, this is not a public set of pages. You can look at them, all the list members can look at them, but they aren't meant for the average person. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 23:41:07 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 19 23:41:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REGARDING JOHN DELOREAN. In-Reply-To: <20050820055204.94378.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050820064107.19485.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> > CAN HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN BE EASILY SPLIT FROM > WATER, USING ONLY TUNED SONIC ENERGY, TUNED TO > A PERFECT RESONANT CAVITY, TO PRODUCE CHEAP > AND ABUNDANT HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN GASSES, TO Well, you still have to put energy in to split the hydrogen from the oxygen. YEAH; THE ENERGY THAT I AM REFERING TO, IS ACOUSTIC ENERGY, AND ACOUSTIC ENERGY ONLY, APART FROM THE ELECTRICAL ENERGY 'POWER', FOR THE ULTRASONIC TRANSDUCER, OR MICRO STEAM / AIR WHISTLE, IN COMBINATION WITH A TUNED CAVITY. Mike? How much energy? ELECTRICAL ENERGY + 'MICRO' HIGH DECIBEL ACOUSTIC ENERGY. > PRODUCE AND BURN THE GASSES AT WILL, SO AS TO > WHERE THERE WOULD BE NO NEED OR WORRY, FOR > DANGEROUS EXPLOSIVE GARGANTUAN SIZED STORAGE > TANKS REQUIRED; ONLY JUST A FULL TANK OF WATER > ONLY, AND NOT MUCH ELSE, TO GET US TO PLACES, > BOTH EFFICIENTLY AND INEXPENSIVELY?? What, a tank of water in the car, then make it as you drive? YES; JUST AS A CARBORATOR AND FUEL INJECTOR SPIT FUEL INTO A SMALL CAVITY CHAMBER TO BURN AT WILL; THE SAME WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO WATER, AS LONG AS THE CAVITY IS FABRICATED TO A FREQUENCY THAT MATCHES THE FREQUENCY OF THE ULTRASONIC TRANSDUCER, OR MICRO STEAM / AIR WHISTLE THAT IS BEING USED. But you still need energy, and I rather suspect that it's easier to store that energy in batteries. YES. I AGREE. and use it in motors; than split hydrogen, compress it, store it, and then NO; THAT WAY WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF INEFFICIENT + EXPLOSIVELY DANGEROUS. burn it in an internal combustion engine. I'VE READ THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE THAT WAY, BUT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NECESSARILY TRUE THOUGH. IT WAS SOMETHING FOR ME TO SERIOUSLY PONDER. WELL MY BRAIN IS NEARLY DEAD FOR THIS DAY. I NEED TO TRY TO GET SOME SLEEP BEFORE WORK TOMORROW (TODAY), THIS MORNING AT 7:00 A.M. C.S.T. I'LL REPLY BACK TO THE OTHER E-MAIL TOMORROW, IF THERE WILL BE ENOUGH TIME. LATER, CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050819/0b41cabf/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 23:50:08 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 23:50:14 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REGARDING JOHN DELOREAN. In-Reply-To: <20050820064107.19485.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 19, 2005 11:41:07 PM Message-ID: <20050820065008.19334.qmail@mall-net.com> > > CAN HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN BE EASILY SPLIT FROM > > WATER, USING ONLY TUNED SONIC ENERGY, TUNED TO > > A PERFECT RESONANT CAVITY, TO PRODUCE CHEAP > > AND ABUNDANT HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN GASSES, TO > > Well, you still have to put energy in to split the hydrogen from > the oxygen. > > YEAH; THE ENERGY THAT I AM REFERING TO, IS ACOUSTIC ENERGY, AND ACOUSTIC ENERGY ONLY, APART FROM THE ELECTRICAL ENERGY 'POWER', FOR THE ULTRASONIC TRANSDUCER, OR MICRO STEAM / AIR WHISTLE, IN COMBINATION WITH A TUNED CAVITY. Does not matter. Energy is energy. Acoustic energy is basically heat energy. And unlike electric, you then have to separate the O2 from H2 before they cool enough to react. So you have a hot cell rather than a cold cell. For small scale, the cold electrical cell is probably the way to go. Much, much simpler. For massive industrial scale conversion, I don't know. > What, a tank of water in the car, then make it as you drive? > > YES; JUST AS A CARBORATOR AND FUEL INJECTOR SPIT FUEL INTO A SMALL CAVITY CHAMBER TO BURN AT WILL; THE SAME WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO WATER, AS LONG AS THE CAVITY IS FABRICATED TO A FREQUENCY THAT MATCHES THE FREQUENCY OF THE ULTRASONIC TRANSDUCER, OR MICRO STEAM / AIR WHISTLE THAT IS BEING USED. Hmmm... > But you still need energy, and I rather suspect that it's easier to > store that energy in batteries. > > YES. > > I AGREE. > > and use it in motors; > > than split hydrogen, compress it, store it, and then > > NO; THAT WAY WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF INEFFICIENT + EXPLOSIVELY DANGEROUS. > > burn it in an internal combustion engine. > > I'VE READ THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE THAT WAY, BUT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NECESSARILY TRUE THOUGH. > IT WAS SOMETHING FOR ME TO SERIOUSLY PONDER. You want to break it and burn it in the same cavity? > WELL MY BRAIN IS NEARLY DEAD FOR THIS DAY. Clyde, how many hours of sleep do you get? -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 23:58:04 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 19 23:58:09 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050820061745.7248.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050820065804.49190.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > As you slip below 5hz, memory starts failing because the nerve > cells have enough time to heal between pulses. And with that, you slip > into sleep. I GUESS I'D INDUCE BRAIN DEATH, AT A PURE, D.C. E.M. FIELD. AT PERHAPS EVEN THE SLIGHTEST AMPLITUDE; MAYBE I SHOULD SAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR A DOOMSDAY SCENARIO, IF THINGS DON'T TURN OUT FOR THE BETTER IN THE FUTURE, AND I HAVE TO PUT MYSELF TO (BRAIN) DEATH, IN PERFECT PEACE. I DON'T LIKE TALKING LIKE THAT, BUT WHAT THE HELL. > There is some stuff on brain waves and health at > http://www.sitepsych.com/alt/bioergo/bwaves.html I LIKE THAT WEBLINK THE BEST, OUT OF EVERY ONE THAT YOU'VE FORWARDED, FROM YOUR WEBSITE. I forgot to mention, this is not a public set of pages. You can look at them, all the list members can look at them, but they aren't meant for the average person. I WAS GOING TO WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW TO ASK, BUT I'LL ASK RIGHT NOW. SINCE YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION COPYRIGHTED, WOULD YOU GIVE ME PERMISSION TO RELAY THE ABOVE WEBLINK TO DIETER DOEPFER; THE OWNER OF THE GERMAN DOEPFER SOUND SYNTHESIZER COMPANY, WHO HELPED TO MAKE KRAFTWERK'S ELECTRONIC AND COMPUTER MUSIC FAMOUS, SO THAT MR. DOEPFER CAN THEN FORWARD THE WEBLINK TO FLORIAN SCHNEIDER, OF KRAFTERK? IF IT CAN HELP OUT IN MY ALTERNATIVE LYRICS TO RADIOACTIVITY THAT I HAVE WRITTEN. IT'S PART OF THE 'FAMOUS' GREAT RADIO CONTROVERSY. I NEED TO GO AND GET SOME SLEEP; I'M NEXT TO BRAIN DEAD RIGHT NOW. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050819/f963d0f7/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 00:02:35 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 20 00:02:38 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REGARDING JOHN DELOREAN. In-Reply-To: <20050820065008.19334.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050820070235.22106.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > WELL MY BRAIN IS NEARLY DEAD FOR THIS DAY. Clyde, how many hours of sleep do you get? REALITY FOR ME HAS BECOME CHAOTIC INSOMNIA; NOT GOOD FOR MY HEALTH, I THINK. I NEED TO CALL IT A DAY / NIGHT. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050820/7feaf601/attachment-0001.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 20 00:47:45 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 20 00:47:49 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050820065804.49190.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 19, 2005 11:58:04 PM Message-ID: <20050820074745.43234.qmail@mall-net.com> > javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > As you slip below 5hz, memory starts failing because the nerve > > cells have enough time to heal between pulses. And with that, you slip > > into sleep. > > I GUESS I'D INDUCE BRAIN DEATH, AT A PURE, D.C. E.M. FIELD. Near DC, but DC ends up not producing any stimulus. > > There is some stuff on brain waves and health at > > http://www.sitepsych.com/alt/bioergo/bwaves.html > > I LIKE THAT WEBLINK THE BEST, OUT OF EVERY ONE THAT YOU'VE > FORWARDED, FROM YOUR WEBSITE. Thankyou. I wrote that some ten years ago. > > SINCE YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION COPYRIGHTED, WOULD YOU GIVE ME PERMISSION TO RELAY THE ABOVE WEBLINK TO DIETER DOEPFER; THE OWNER OF THE GERMAN DOEPFER SOUND SYNTHESIZER COMPANY, WHO HELPED TO MAKE KRAFTWERK'S ELECTRONIC AND COMPUTER MUSIC FAMOUS, SO THAT MR. DOEPFER CAN THEN FORWARD THE WEBLINK TO FLORIAN SCHNEIDER, OF KRAFTERK? No. this is private stuff related to my own research. I am sharing it with you because I think it may help you. > IF IT CAN HELP OUT IN MY ALTERNATIVE LYRICS TO RADIOACTIVITY THAT I HAVE WRITTEN. I hate rock music!!! I absolutely do not want any of my research associated with rock music! Ever! I enjoy classical music, slow things. My favorites are Satie, Debussey, and a few others who wrote good slow classical music. It's really sad they don't write good harmonious classical music anymore. The keying for modern music just does not resolve tension, it boosts tension. It's crap! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 20 00:52:14 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 20 00:52:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REGARDING JOHN DELOREAN. In-Reply-To: <20050820070235.22106.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 20, 2005 12:02:35 AM Message-ID: <20050820075214.45256.qmail@mall-net.com> > > Clyde, how many hours of sleep do you get? > > REALITY FOR ME HAS BECOME CHAOTIC INSOMNIA; NOT GOOD FOR MY HEALTH, I THINK. Correct. Try to get 8 hours. Realistically, we are more evolved to get 10 hours of sleep. I have a good friend, IQ 190, who needs 10 hours or his brain does not work well. But when it works... Wow! Do everything you can to see if getting 8 or more hours helps you. If that means an inflatable mattress, good pillows, whatever, then do it. Just make sure the plastic of the inflatable does not bother you. It might. You may also do better if you get enough tryptophan rich foods in the evening for serotonin and melatonin generation. Yes, bananas, etc. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Aug 20 08:44:26 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Aug 20 08:44:30 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The fallacy of hydrogen Message-ID: <002701c5a59e$0baa67a0$6501a8c0@mikey> In answer to John's question, the amount of energy needed to split water into hydrogen and oxygen gases is exactly the same as the amount of energy produced by burning the resultant gases to produce water. The precise number of joules per mole I will have to look up in the CRC Handbook, and I haven't the time to do this at the moment. And there are conversion losses! If electricity is used, then resistance to the current creates heat, which is a loss. Sonic methods, *IF* they actually work, incur more conversion losses. Compressing the hydrogen for storage heats the gas- more thermal losses! Then how is it used? In an internal combustion engine with a power conversion factor of perhaps 0.3??? Why not use a three-phase AC Tesla motor with a power factor of 0.9- THREE TIMES more efficient! And carrying around a tank of water, which weighs 50% more than gasoline, just to hydrolyse to provide fuel to burn in an internal combustion engine is absolutely ludicrous! Ditch the water, and use the energy source to run the prime mover directly! Why introduce a half-dozen more conversion losses? That dog don't hunt. Hydrogen is an energy transport medium- and a damn inefficient one, at that! Its only advantage is that it burns cleanly, a really great political selling point to the Kneeo-Jerks! But these fools refuse to see that all it does is move the production of energy away from their backyard. And NIMBY rears his ugly head again! There might be a valid use of hydrogen fuel, IF it were produced from solar or nuclear energy sources. In the case of solar, it would take one hellaceously large solar panel to collect enough power to produce any significant amount of hydrogen. Nuke is the way to go- but please tell me whose backyard we put the reactor in? Now for the truly Mad- Man possesses DNA technology. Man well understands photosynthesis. We have the technology to engineer a synthetic biomass that would use sunlight to convert CO2 to a useful fuel. So why do we not do this? I believe that more political power and money may be garnered by maintaining the status quo of the petroleum economy- whether by direct burning of fossil fuels, or the sham of the "hydrogen economy," which is but another method of increasing the demand for oil. Were we not to need anymore Middle Eastern oil, then why would we fight wars in Iraq? And war is incredibly profitable! FDR ended the Depression with WW2, not the Socialist New Deal. Hydrogen makes all kinds of good press- it burns clean, and the MSM fools the laic into thinking it is "free" energy. It is anything but! All it does is hide the burning of fossil fuels from the masses, and INCREASE the need for these fuels! Tailor-made for the despot. -MB From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Aug 20 11:03:41 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Aug 20 11:03:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] More on unintelligent design Message-ID: <003501c5a5b1$7ffcde40$6501a8c0@mikey> Intelligent Design and the Smithsonian Published: August 20, 2005 in _The New York Times_ The Smithsonian Institution can't seem to disentangle itself from the clutches of the anti-evolution crowd. Earlier this year, the Smithsonian's natural history museum discovered to its dismay that it had agreed to be the host and co-sponsor of a movie intended to undercut the theory of evolution and make the case for "intelligent design," the idea that an intelligent agent had a hand in designing the universe. Only after intelligent-design proponents started chortling on the Internet about their stunning coup in co-opting the Smithsonian did museum officials reverse course and withdraw their sponsorship, while allowing the film to be shown. Now comes word that a little-known government office has accused the Smithsonian of retaliating against a scientist who slipped an article promoting intelligent design into an obscure journal that has only very loose connections to the Smithsonian. That judgment, by the United States Office of Special Counsel, a federal agency set up to protect whistle-blowers, is the latest twist in a case that started with the publication of the article last year in the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. Full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/20/opinion/20sat4.html?th&emc=th From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 14:07:16 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 20 14:07:34 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: The fallacy of hydrogen In-Reply-To: <002701c5a59e$0baa67a0$6501a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050820210716.9295.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> Michael Best wrote: And there are conversion losses! If electricity is used, then resistance to the current creates heat, which is a loss. Sonic methods, *IF* they actually work, incur more conversion losses. Compressing the hydrogen for storage heats the gas- more thermal losses! Then how is it used? I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT COMPRESSING THE HYDROGEN FOR STORAGE PURPOSES. I WAS TALKING ABOUT SONICALLY GENERATING HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN GASES ON DEMAND, USING MICRO SONIC ENERGY, AND TUNED CAVITY RESONANCE, AND THEN BURNING IT IMMEDIATELY; LIKE A FUEL INJECTOR WORKS; OR AS A CARBORATOR WORKS, WHEN THEY SPIT A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF GAS INTO THE COMBUSTION CHAMBER TO BE BURNED, IN A COMBUSTION ENGINE, WHEN THE ACCELLERATOR PUMPS THE NEEDED AMOUNT OF FUEL INTO THE COMBUSTION CHAMBER, FOR ACCELLERATION.. In an internal combustion engine with a power conversion factor of perhaps 0.3??? Why not use a three-phase AC Tesla motor with a power factor of 0.9- THREE TIMES more efficient! I'D LIKE TO GET A SHITLOAD OF TESLA THREE PHASE MOTORS, TO USE AS GENERATORS; IT PROBABLY WON'T EVER HAPPEN THOUGH. And carrying around a tank of water, which weighs 50% more than gasoline, just to hydrolyse to provide fuel to burn in an internal combustion engine is absolutely ludicrous! I ONLY USED THE COMBUSTION ENGINE AS AN EXAMPLE; I'VE ALWAYS HATED INFERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES, AND HAVE ALWAYS WANTED A SUPER HYPER EFFICIENT TURBINE ELECTRIC POWERPLANT UNDER THE HOODS OF ALL OF MY VEHICLES, INSTEAD OF INFERNAL FUCKUPTION ENGINES. I KNOW THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO DO THE ENERGY CONVERSION. LIKE YOU SAY BELOW; USE THE SOURCE TO RUN THE PRIME MOVER DIRECTLY. Ditch the water, DITCH THE COMBUSTION ENGINE, AND REPLAVE IT WITH A MICRO TURBINE POWER MEM TYPE OF POWER PLANT. and use the energy source to run the prime mover directly! Why introduce a half-dozen more conversion losses? That dog don't hunt. Hydrogen is an energy transport medium- and a damn inefficient one, at that! Its only advantage is that it burns cleanly, a really great political selling point to the Kneeo-Jerks! But these fools refuse to see that all it does is move the production of energy away from their backyard. And NIMBY rears his ugly head again! There might be a valid use of hydrogen fuel, IF it were produced from solar or nuclear energy sources. In the case of solar, it would take one hellaceously large solar panel to collect enough power to produce any significant amount of hydrogen. Nuke is the way to go- but please tell me whose backyard we put the reactor in? Now for the truly Mad- Man possesses DNA technology. Man well understands photosynthesis. We have the technology to engineer a synthetic biomass that would use sunlight to convert CO2 to a useful fuel. I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS GO IN FORWARD PROGRESS. WELL I JUST GOT OUT OF WORK FOR THE DAY, AND AM REALLY TIRED. I DON'T FEEL LIKE ARGUING ANYMORE, IF I HAVE EVEN PRODUCED A VIABLE ARGUEMENT HERE, AT ALL. -MB CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050820/a33b7815/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 14:07:59 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 20 14:09:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: The fallacy of hydrogen Message-ID: <20050820210800.34364.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> clyde lofton wrote: OK. BURNING HYDROGEN *AND OXYGEN SIMULTANEOUSLY* THEN DOES NOT COUNT, WITH WATER AS THE BYPRODUCT?; AS YOU ONLY MENTION HYDROGEN BELOW, AND NOT THE OXYGEN CONTENT OF THE WATER. GRANTED THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO ARGUE ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SYNTHETIC BIOMASS SOUNDS COOL. LET'S GET THAT INDUSTRY ROLLING, IF POSSIBLE, ON A GRAND SCALE! I'M SICK OF BREATHING SMOG IN THIS DIRTY SLUM-SO-CALLED CITY. GRANTED THOUGH, AUTOMOTIVE SMOG IS ONLY A PORTION OF ALL OF THE ATMOSPHERIC CONTAMINANTS THAT ARE IN THE AIR IN THIS INDUSTRIAL SLUM SHITTY. I'D LIKE TO LIVE FURTHER OUT; IN THE COUNTRY. UNFORTUNATELY I'M A CITY BOY, AND A 900 M.P.H MOLLER SKYCAR PRIVATE COMMUTER V.T.O.L. VEHICLE WON'T WORK; TOO NOISY FROM WHAT I HAVE READ, TOO DAMNED EXPENSIVE, AND F.A.A. LICENSING FEES ARE PROBABLY SKY HIGH AS WELL. CLYDE Michael Best wrote: In answer to John's question, the amount of energy needed to split water into hydrogen and oxygen gases is exactly the same as the amount of energy produced by burning the resultant gases to produce water. The precise number of joules per mole I will have to look up in the CRC Handbook, and I haven't the time to do this at the moment. And there are conversion losses! If electricity is used, then resistance to the current creates heat, which is a loss. Sonic methods, *IF* they actually work, incur more conversion losses. Compressing the hydrogen for storage heats the gas- more thermal losses! Then how is it used? In an internal combustion engine with a power conversion factor of perhaps 0.3??? Why not use a three-phase AC Tesla motor with a power factor of 0.9- THREE TIMES more efficient! And carrying around a tank of water, which weighs 50% more than gasoline, just to hydrolyse to provide fuel to burn in an internal combustion engine is absolutely ludicrous! Ditch the water, and use the energy source to run the prime mover directly! Why introduce a half-dozen more conversion losses? That dog don't hunt. Hydrogen is an energy transport medium- and a damn inefficient one, at that! Its only advantage is that it burns cleanly, a really great political selling point to the Kneeo-Jerks! But these fools refuse to see that all it does is move the production of energy away from their backyard. And NIMBY rears his ugly head again! There might be a valid use of hydrogen fuel, IF it were produced from solar or nuclear energy sources. In the case of solar, it would take one hellaceously large solar panel to collect enough power to produce any significant amount of hydrogen. Nuke is the way to go- but please tell me whose backyard we put the reactor in? Now for the truly Mad- Man possesses DNA technology. Man well understands photosynthesis. We have the technology to engineer a synthetic biomass that would use sunlight to convert CO2 to a useful fuel. So why do we not do this? I believe that more political power and money may be garnered by maintaining the status quo of the petroleum economy- whether by direct burning of fossil fuels, or the sham of the "hydrogen economy," which is but another method of increasing the demand for oil. Were we not to need anymore Middle Eastern oil, then why would we fight wars in Iraq? And war is incredibly profitable! FDR ended the Depression with WW2, not the Socialist New Deal. Hydrogen makes all kinds of good press- it burns clean, and the MSM fools the laic into thinking it is "free" energy. It is anything but! All it does is hide the burning of fossil fuels from the masses, and INCREASE the need for these fuels! Tailor-made for the despot. -MB --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050820/a0def886/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 14:10:48 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 20 14:11:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Jobs Linked to Alzheimer's, Parkinson's In-Reply-To: <48gu4i$1mm5g6q@xtinmta01.xt.local> Message-ID: <20050820211048.43676.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> "NewsMax.com" wrote:To view this email as a web page, go here. Health Alert from NewsMax.com Headlines (Scroll down for complete stories): Study Doubts Melanoma is Epidemic Job Occupations Linked to Alzheimer's, Parkinson's Researchers Looking at Alzheimer's Vaccine Study Links Painkillers, High Blood Pressure 'Healthy' Vegetable Oils Are Usually Dangerous 1. Study Doubts Melanoma is Epidemic Belief that there is an epidemic of deadly melanoma, now being diagnosed at twice the rate it was in 1986 and increasing faster than any other form of cancer, has been challenged by a study published in the current issue of The British Medical Journal. According to the New York Times, Dr. H. Gilbert Welch of the Department of Veterans Affairs in White River Junction, Vt., and Dartmouth Medical School and his two colleagues, Dr. Steven Woloshin and Dr. Lisa M. Schwartz, analyzed melanoma's changing incidence and death rate over time. Using Medicare data to track the swift rise in melanoma cases since 1986 and data compiled by the National Cancer Institute to track the death rate and the number of people with early and late-stage disease the researchers learned that since 1986, skin biopsies have risen by 250 percent, a figure nearly the same as the rise in the incidence of early stage melanoma. They discovered, however, that there was no change in the death rate from the lethal form of skin cancer. They also discovered that the incidence of advanced melanoma disease also did not change. Dr. Welch and his colleagues insist that if there was really an epidemic of melanoma - if for example, something in the environment was causing people to get the skin cancer, scientists should see increases in cancers at all stages. According to the Times, this is what happened with lung cancer caused by smoking, and with other cancers caused by toxic substances. The fact, however, that the increase was seen only in very early stage disease was a tip-off that the epidemic might be less than it appears to be, Dr. Welch explained. This, he says, leads to a difficult question. The point of screening for melanoma is to reduce the death toll from the cancer, yet if screening has not altered the number of patients with advanced disease or lowered the death rate, what is its benefit? "That's the million dollar question," Dr. Welch said. "It certainly raises questions about whether we're doing any good." He and his colleagues added, however, that people who notice suspicious moles or spots should not hesitate to see a doctor. But skin cancer screening, they said, is directed at healthy people who have no reason to suspect that anything is wrong. While admitting that more and more people are having skin biopsies, Dr. Darrell Rigel, a dermatologist in New York, said he questioned Dr. Welch's conclusion that the biopsies were leading to excessive diagnoses of melanoma. "I would say the inverse is more likely," Dr. Rigel said. "There are more melanomas and therefore more biopsies." At the American Cancer Society, Dr. Len Lichtenfeld, an oncologist, told the Times his group reviewed the same data as Dr. Welch and came to a different conclusion. Screening, he said, appears to be saving lives. He cited a trend in the data indicating that the death rate from the disease rose slightly year by year until about a decade ago. That, he told the Times, is consistent with an increase in serious cases of melanoma. Now, he said, "there has been a suggestion in the data that the death rates in the Medicare age group are going down," an effect that would be expected if screening was working, adding that "We agree that some of the melanomas are biologically indolent, but we also feel that when we look at the trend in the data and the suggestion of decreased mortality that there has been a benefit from increased surveillance for the disease." The cancer society, countered Dr. Welch, was "taking tiny, tiny differences" in death rates from year to year and "putting a huge microscope on it." In fact, he said, the death rate has been basically flat since 1986, although it bounces around slightly from year to year as a result of statistical fluctuations. "We don't disagree about the data," Dr. Welch added. "We disagree about the interpretation. We are not arguing that there is zero change in disease burden. We are arguing that most of the newly diagnosed cases are the result of increased screening." The Times recalled that two dermatologists, Dr. Robert Swerlick and Dr. Suephy Chen of Emory University and the Atlanta Veterans Affairs Medical Center, wrote in a 1997 article that while some people might be saved by screening, there also are risks from a melanoma diagnosis. "After a patient has received the diagnosis of melanoma, obtaining insurance can be extremely difficult," they wrote. "The diagnosis of melanoma also results in heightened scrutiny of all first-degree relatives and family members of the patient, and if increased surveillance leads to increased diagnosis, this process may also put them at risk for the diagnosis of melanoma." For his part, Dr. Welch says that early detection "is a double-edged sword and people need to remember that." A few people might be saved because a cancer is found early, he said, but many, many more will be thrown into the medical mill when there is nothing wrong with them. "People should realize that is the price we pay for screening," Dr. Welch said, and although screening is widely promoted, "we ought to know whether it helps." Editor's Note: Cancer can be prevented. Find out the simple, nutritional steps to take. Go Here Now 2. Job Occupations Linked to Alzheimer's, Parkinson's Reuters reported this week that a wide range of occupations, from farming to teaching, may be potential risk factors for degenerative brain diseases, such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease, research findings suggest. In a study of more than 2.6 million U.S. death records, researchers found that a variety of jobs were associated with an increased risk of death from several forms of brain degeneration, namely Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease, early-onset dementia and motor neuron disease. Many of the associations had been seen in earlier research and could potentially be explained by on-the-job exposures to the chemicals that farmers, welders and hairdressers routinely use or inhale. Other findings, however, such as the elevated disease risks among teachers, clergy and bank tellers, are not easily explained, according to the researchers, led by Robert M. Park of the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, Cincinnati, Ohio. In their analysis, Park and his colleagues found that the bank tellers, clergy, aircraft mechanics and hairdressers had highest odds of dying from Alzheimer's disease. For Parkinson's disease, the highest risks were among biological scientists, teachers, clergy members and other religious workers. The risk of death from presenile dementia - a form of dementia that arises before the age of 65 - was greatest among dentists, graders and sorters in industries other than agriculture and, again, clergy. Dr. Blaylock: You Can Prevent Brain Diseases The connection between chemicals and brain disease is not new for readers of The Blaylock Wellness Report, edited by Russell Blaylock, M.D. Dr. Blaylock is a renowned neurosurgeon and nutritionist, and has warned of toxic substances causing an epidemic of brain diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. In a recent report, "Save Your Brain: Protect Yourself from the Ravages of Alzheimer's and Other Diseases," Dr. Blaylock says when brain cells are weakened, either by disease or a lifetime of free-radical damage, they become much more vulnerable to injury by toxins of various types. It is for this reason that you must avoid further injury by avoiding known brain toxins. Among these toxins: Avoid fluoride. Avoid MSG. Avoid pesticides. Avoid vaccinations. Avoid aluminum. Avoid mercury in fillings. For complete details on Dr. Blaylock's report Go Here Now 3. Researchers Looking at Alzheimer's Vaccine Researchers are experimenting with a new nasal vaccine designed to reduce the brain plaque seen in victims of Alzheimer's disease. "It works in mice," said Dr. Howard Weiner. "I think the significance of the experiment is we've discovered a unique way of vaccination that may be of help for Alzheimer's." Weiner, co-director of the Center for Neurologic Diseases at Boston's Brigham and Women's Hospital and Harvard Medical School, told WebMD: "We think it's very exciting. The next step is to see whether it's safe in humans and then we can test to see how efficacious it is." The vaccine mixes an FDA-approved multiple sclerosis drug and another substance that helps stimulate immunity. The vaccine can be given as a nasal spray or as drops. It's designed to activate brain cells called microglia, which clean up a protein known as beta-amyloid that is found in the brain plaque seen in Alzheimer's disease. The researchers found that after the mice were treated with the vaccine, total beta-amyloid levels dropped 73 percent. Weiner added: "It's a totally unique type of vaccine from all the other vaccines that have been tried." Editor's Note: Omega-3 can protect your brain from disease -- Go Here Now 4. Study Links Painkillers, High Blood Pressure Women taking daily amounts of non-aspirin painkillers - such as extra-strength Tylenol - should monitor their blood pressure, doctors say following a new study suggesting a link between the drugs and hypertension. "If you're taking these over-the-counter medications at high dosages on a regular basis, make sure that you report it to your doctor and you're checking your blood pressure," said Dr. Christie Ballantyne, a cardiologist at the Methodist DeBakey Heart Center in Houston who had no role in the study. While many popular over-the-counter painkillers have been linked before to high blood pressure, acetaminophen, sold as Tylenol, has generally been considered relatively free of such risk. It is the only one that is not a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug or NSAID, a class of medications the federal government just required to carry stricter warning labels because of the risk for heart-related problems. Those include ibuprofen (sold as Advil and Motrin) and naproxen (sold as Aleve). Many had turned to those painkillers in the wake of problems with prescription drugs, such as Vioxx. However, the new study found that women taking Tylenol were about twice as likely to develop blood pressure problems. Risk also rose for women taking NSAIDS other than aspirin. The research found that aspirin still remains the safest medicine for pain relief. It has long been known to reduce the risk of cardiovascular problems and was not included in the government's requirement for stricter labels for NSAIDs. The study involved 5,123 women participating in the Nurses Health Study at Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston. None had had high blood pressure when it began. Results were published online Monday in the American Heart Association journal Hypertension. "It certainly sets the basis for more studies," said Dr. Stephanie Lawhorn, a cardiologist at St. Luke's Mid America Heart Institute in Kansas City. "Most of the time we think that things like acetaminophen are fairly safe drugs." The study found that women ages 34-77 who took an average daily dose of more than 500 milligrams of acetaminophen - one extra-strength Tylenol - had about double the risk of developing high blood pressure within about three years. Women 51-77 who take more than 400 mg a day of NSAIDS - equal to say two ibuprofen - had a 78 percent increased risk of developing high blood pressure over those who didn't take the drug. Those ages 34-53 had a 60 percent risk increase. "We are by no means suggesting that women with chronic pain conditions not receive treatment for their pain," lead author Dr. John Phillip Forman, of Harvard Medical School and associate physician at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, said in an e-mail. "By pointing out risks associated with these drugs, more informed choices can be made by women and their clinicians." Previous research linking these drugs to blood pressure problems did not look at dose. The results in this study held up even when researchers excluded women who were taking pills for headaches, something that could itself be a result of very high blood pressure, said Dr. Gary Curhan, another study author also of Harvard Medical School. As for why aspirin didn't raise risk, it might be because "aspirin has a different effect on blood vessels than NSAIDS and acetaminophen have," said Dr. Daniel Jones, dean of the school of medicine at University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson. ? 2005 The Associated Press Editor's Note: Blood pressure medications have serious side effects. Use the natural supplement that reduces blood pressure. Go Here Now 5. 'Healthy' Vegetable Oils Are Usually Dangerous Atherosclerosis is the scientific name for the process responsible for hardening of the arteries - the condition that leads to heart attacks and strokes. Back in the 1930s, studies indicated that elevated levels of cholesterol might cause accumulations of crud in arteries, thus hardening them. Corn oil was used in these studies to dissolve the cholesterol so that the test animals could eat it, and today, corn oil is even promoted as a cholesterol-lowering oil. But the irony here is that polyunsaturated vegetable oils such as corn oil are easily oxidized and produce rancid oils, much like rancid milk. When oxidized, these oils trigger inflammation and create free radicals. Both free radicals and chronic inflammation have been shown to cause atherosclerosis! So remember, the chemical composition of polyunsaturated fats found in many vegetable oils oxidizes rapidly, causing inflammation and free radical production. Research today shows that these early researchers mistakenly assumed it was the cholesterol causing the problem when the corn oil itself was the real cause. In fact, only when cholesterol is oxidized does it have any relationship to atherosclerosis. When oxidized, cholesterol becomes highly irritating to tissues, including those making up the walls of blood vessels. So the "healthy" vegetable oils being touted - such as corn, soybean, safflower, sunflower and canola - are contributing to the oxidation of cholesterol. Editor's Note: Find out how to protect your heart from bad fats -- Go Here Now Editor's Notes: Cancer can be prevented. Find out the simple, nutritional steps to take. Go Here Now Omega-3 can protect your brain from disease -- Go Here Now Blood pressure medications have serious side effects. Use the natural supplement that reduces blood pressure. Go Here Now Find out how to protect your heart from bad fats -- Go Here Now TO ADVERTISE For information on advertising at NewsMax.com, please contact Corrine McNurlin via e-mail or call 888-766-7542. TO SUBSCRIBE If this News Alert has been forwarded to you and you would like a subscription, please visit: http://www.newsmax.com/email.shtml Sign up for NewsMax e-mail alerts today! To remove your e-mail address from our list or to modify your profile, Go Here. We respect your right to privacy. View our policy. 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> style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><= > FONT=20 > style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= > =3D2> =20 > I really wish you'd set your mail handler to conform to internet=20 Lord have mercy, is this what you see when I send mail ? If it is, let me know and I will get my son over here and perhaps he can show me how to write and send some other way. It will give me a chance to visit with the rotten kid. All those years I bust my butt to feed ,cloth,and educate the twerp--so how does he pay me back ???? He spends all his time with this woman he married and they in turn devote all their time to their kid, and the kid is just as rotten as his dad. No time left for his parents " strains of Cats In The Cradle" floating through my mind. By the by, there is a museum devoted to the Evolution of Appliances. I believe it is located in the basement of the Smithsonian in D.C. There is also a collection of toasters on display in Chicago. A couple of Dudes display with great pride the results of 10 thousand hours of searching and collecting, to bring to the American public the most authentic collection of toasters and waffle irons known to man. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050820/560c162d/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Aug 20 16:45:02 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 20 16:45:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. Message-ID: <90.64476d33.30391a7e@aol.com> In a message dated 8/19/2005 10:20:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWER Clyde, I went online to see what and where we could find you this Lotus plant you wish to grow, kill and then smoke. I know the Egyptians were ga-ga over the lotus, you see it everywhere in the ancient paintings and stone work. I believe you may find lotus symbols as often if not more then the Anuk. .( I know the spelling is wrong but i am too tired to look it up) . About 5 or 6 years ago I watched a gardening show about the lotus of Egypt. There is one place in England that has a blue lotus that is a 2nd. or 3rd. generation of a plant that, as of today, no one on earth really knows if this is the true species of lotus that enraptured the people. And why or how did the plant cause such a sensation ? Let you in on a little secret Clyde, my good friend has a son who bought leaves of a South American plant, a form of Sage plant. It is legal here in New Hampshire----I refuse to tell you the name of this plant as it is still sold in a lot of states and I don't know if it is legal where you are. Anyway, I have known about this plant, the Wicca faith here use it to fly sometimes, and there was interest about growing it in green houses since there was no law against it. This plant is so dangerous that I found sites on the web warning dopers to be ever of careful of this craze inducing drug. O.K. the son of my buddy bought some of this from a head shop , went home ,rolled a joint and after smoking, alone, not knowing the effects of the herb, damn near killed his family. Big time nightmare trip for the kid, not to mention his family including the 3 children between the ages of 3 and 7 who he chased about with a knife. This kid is a grown man 23 years old and he experimented with an unknown drug alone, no life guard to pull him out of the effects or make sure he didn't harm himself or others. Clyde, I really think the idea of growing or smoking anything you have no idea of the effects of can put you in the place of not coming down for breakfast. Also, The American Indians are the only ancient peoples from anywhere on earth that I have heard of smoking anything, and that was tobacco. South Americans EAT or CHEW coco leaves, they don't smoke them. Indians ate for religious reasons Payote, and that was once or twice in a life time. The drugs of South East Asia were for thousands of years, up to today , ingested. It was the British that taught the Chinese to smoke opium. Clyde please don't smoke anything. Want to get high, bake Mary Jane Brownies or go 6 weeks without a cigarette and then smoke one, make you buzz like hell. We all look forward to your posts, sometimes you make me so mad I could smack you. Then there are times when I nod and to myself knowing just how you feel. Been there done that. I think we all have walked a mile in your shoes at sometime in our lives. Now for the hard part Clyde, we can relate to you---- can you relate to us ???? We have our rants and pains, our problems, can you understand or feel our pain ?? Clyde, if you want a friend, you must be a friend. In other words, Clyde, we care about you, do you care about us ????? Don't ignore me Clyde, I want answers to my questions, you can give them to us, no more one way help, how about you giving us some of your ideas to help us. Time to listen to our problems and try to give us advise----This is what friends do, I hope you will be a friend to us, we are willing to be ,and have been your friend. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050820/651c7830/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Aug 20 19:50:02 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Aug 20 19:50:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Nanotubes Rule! Message-ID: <000301c5a5fb$072f93a0$6501a8c0@mikey> Nanotubes show their strength in numbers Super-strong sheets could be used in future screens and surfaces By Kathleen Wren Science Updated: 4:07 p.m. ET Aug. 18, 2005 WASHINGTON - Carbon nanotubes, the wunderkind molecules of the nanoworld, are finally showing strength in numbers. Researchers have now made large nanotube sheets that have many of the same star qualities as the prima donna-like single molecules, bringing the promises of nanotechnology a step closer to reality. The flexible, transparent sheets can conduct electricity and emit light or heat when a voltage is applied, leading their creators to propose that our car windows and the canopies of military aircraft could contain nearly invisible antennae, electrical heaters for defrost, or informative optical displays. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8976160/ From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Aug 20 20:32:52 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Aug 20 20:33:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Playing God for Man's benefit! Message-ID: <000601c5a601$03828270$6501a8c0@mikey> Researchers creating life from scratch 'Synthetic biologists' build with one genetic molecule at a time Updated: 8:48 a.m. ET Aug. 19, 2005 AP- BERKELEY, Calif. - They're called "synthetic biologists" and they boldly claim the ability to make never-before-seen living things, one genetic molecule at a time. They're mixing, matching and stacking DNA's chemical components like microscopic Lego blocks in an effort to make biologically based computers, medicines and alternative energy sources. The rapidly expanding field is confounding the taxonomists' centuries-old system of classifying species and raising concerns about the new technology's potential for misuse. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9005023/ From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Aug 20 20:43:18 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Aug 20 20:43:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] totally weird! Message-ID: <000701c5a602$788ab9b0$6501a8c0@mikey> Violent or erotic images cause momentary periods of "emotion-induced blindness" By Melanie Moran Published: August 11, 2005 If your partner seems to be ignoring you after a flash of nudity on the television screen, it might not be his or her fault: A new psychological study finds that when people are shown violent or erotic images they frequently fail to process what they see immediately afterwards. http://exploration.vanderbilt.edu/news/news_rubberneck.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 20 21:20:19 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 20 21:20:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Nanotubes Rule! In-Reply-To: <000301c5a5fb$072f93a0$6501a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Aug 20, 2005 10:50:02 PM Message-ID: <20050821042019.82750.qmail@mall-net.com> > > Nanotubes show their strength in numbers > Super-strong sheets could be used in future screens and surfaces > > The flexible, transparent sheets can conduct electricity and emit light or > heat when a voltage is applied, leading their creators to propose that our > car windows and the canopies of military aircraft could contain nearly > invisible antennae, electrical heaters for defrost, or informative optical > displays. Yes, but researchers have also shown carbon nanotubules are highly injurious to lung tissue. So wear and abrasion results may prove carcinogenic. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Aug 20 21:32:34 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Aug 20 21:32:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] How to help others read email... Message-ID: <000901c5a609$5aa69430$6501a8c0@mikey> 1) Don't use AOL 2) Don't use HTML 3) DO use Plain (ASCII) Text 4) DO limit width to sixty characters 5) NO ATTACHMENTS! 6) When replying, use some method to indicate which portions are old, and which are new, e.g.: indentation, the ">" character, etc. In a nutshell, follow the email netiquette from the early 1980's. And when in doubt, default to the most primitive system. -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 20 21:54:47 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 20 21:54:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler In-Reply-To: <1ec.419085aa.3038f709@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Aug 20, 2005 05:13:45 PM Message-ID: <20050821045447.97160.qmail@mall-net.com> > > > --===============0272658312== > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="-----------------------------1124572425" > > > -------------------------------1124572425 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > O.k., so how can we help you John to be able to read, with comfort our mail > that is in Html. Once upon a time, in a galaxy far far away, (Earth, 1998) there was a web browser with a mail handler that had the option of turning off HTML mail. And all the web consultants, sick and tired of working with it at work, decreed on the threat of expulsion, that none of them would use HTML mail, and would use that option of their mail handler to turn it off. then there arose a Darth Vader type who said unto his minions, all these people are not using my tools. I giveth you this new web browser which haveth HTML mail enabled all the time. Go use it to break down their open source protocols, browsers and all such un-evil things that walketh the web. And lo, the minions of Darth Vader of Rudemond went forth and multiplied, vexing those who did cleave to open protocols. Those of pure heart clung to the open protocols. But alas, most did not see why one should forsake the new arcane protocols, for they did allow multi-splendored things to be seen, such as images of bottles of v ails, see alice, and the agri of vi. Not to mention the plasticizers of various bodily parts, and even ferengi women with clothes on!!! Wooo! (And some Ferengi were said to have gone blind at this!) Or for humans, similar mates without such clothes. Then there arose in the dungeons of doom, viruses. ANd they used the impure arcane protocols to confound people's viewers, creating many billions of dollars of losses to industry, and forcing people to actually think while their computers were being restored by the minions of IT, formerly called various names such as EDP, DPD, CDP, and PDP. > > > > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7>> > e_document=20 > > face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> > >

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In a message dated 8/17/2005 5:57:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 > > javilk@mall-net.com writes:

> > > style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px > solid"><= > > FONT=20 > > style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 > size= > > =3D2> =20 > > I really wish you'd set your mail handler to conform to > internet=20 > > Lord have mercy, is this what you see when I send mail ? If it is, let me > know and I will get my son over here and perhaps he can show me how to write > and send some other way. Yep. A screen and a half of it, sometimes more, before regular text. And followed by even worse, which allegedly replicates the regular text. > It will give me a chance to visit with the rotten kid. All those years I > bust my butt to feed ,cloth,and educate the twerp--so how does he pay me back > ???? He spends all his time with this woman he married and they in turn > devote all their time to their kid, and the kid is just as rotten as his dad. > No time left for his parents " strains of Cats In The Cradle" > floating through my mind. You are lucky. Your jeans will continue. All I got from my short marriage was a slightly used 13 year old who left by the time he was 14. > By the by, there is a museum devoted to the Evolution of Appliances. I > believe it is located in the basement of the Smithsonian in D.C. I was there in 1982. Fascinating place. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 20 22:05:33 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 20 22:05:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: The fallacy of hydrogen In-Reply-To: <20050820210800.34364.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 20, 2005 02:07:59 PM Message-ID: <20050821050533.2440.qmail@mall-net.com> > BURNING HYDROGEN *AND OXYGEN SIMULTANEOUSLY* THEN > DOES NOT COUNT, WITH WATER AS THE BYPRODUCT?; AS > YOU ONLY MENTION HYDROGEN BELOW, AND NOT THE OXYGEN > CONTENT OF THE WATER. > GRANTED THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO ARGUE ANYTHING > ABOUT IT. Yes, but you got us thinking! > SYNTHETIC BIOMASS SOUNDS COOL. > LET'S GET THAT INDUSTRY ROLLING, IF POSSIBLE, ON A GRAND > SCALE! First the prottotype to prove that it works. It might not. Or it might work all too well! And then what do we do about ground water??? > I'M SICK OF BREATHING SMOG IN THIS DIRTY SLUM-SO-CALLED > CITY. > GRANTED THOUGH, AUTOMOTIVE SMOG IS ONLY A > PORTION OF ALL OF THE ATMOSPHERIC CONTAMINANTS And about half the soot is really dust from tires. > UNFORTUNATELY I'M A CITY BOY, AND A 900 M.P.H MOLLER > SKYCAR PRIVATE COMMUTER V.T.O.L. VEHICLE WON'T WORK; Woo Hoo!, but, um, probably too many collisions wth buildings, each other, etc. I just read that some of the big airline manufacturers keep looking at personal aircraft; but the catch is they need software to run the thing well enough to avoid collisions with buildings and each other. The technology is not up to it yet... yet. > TOO NOISY FROM WHAT I HAVE READ, TOO DAMNED EXPENSIVE, > AND F.A.A. LICENSING FEES ARE PROBABLY SKY HIGH AS > WELL. FAA fees are a function of many things, not the least of which is Congress. You offer personal aircraft that are automated enough; and those fees will drop under congressional pressure as the big aircraft manufacturers apply strong lobbying pressure. (Not to mention the people.) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 20 22:13:11 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 20 22:13:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: How to help others read email... In-Reply-To: <000901c5a609$5aa69430$6501a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Aug 21, 2005 12:32:34 AM Message-ID: <20050821051311.6334.qmail@mall-net.com> > In a nutshell, follow the email netiquette from the early 1980's. And when > in doubt, default to the most primitive system. Laughing! Just visited the most primitive system rental... 1700's like buildings made of salvaged things on a mountain. Little buildings on many levels of narrow terracing to make the most use of the mountain. Mold. Mildew. Rotting leaves. Compost... "we return to the soil all we take out..." We ue buildings that are 8x8 and 8x10, so as to avoid the need for permits, etc. etc. LEMMEOUTAHERE!!!! And I thought I was in a lousy place!!! ARRGGHH!!! Interesting person though. Very, very tired from al th driving... bed early. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From texastjs at swbell.net Sun Aug 21 07:36:48 2005 From: texastjs at swbell.net (Tim) Date: Sun Aug 21 07:37:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Message of Vesta In-Reply-To: <20050821034325.8E41339839@kang.vjc.com> References: <20050821034325.8E41339839@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <43089180.6010600@swbell.net> mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG wrote: >Send Mad-Scientists mailing list submissions to > mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >You can reach the person managing the list at > mad-scientists-owner@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Mad-Scientists digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mail Handler (Vesta111@aol.com) > 2. Re: Re: PLEASE REPLY. (Vesta111@aol.com) > 3. Nanotubes Rule! (Michael Best) > 4. Playing God for Man's benefit! (Michael Best) > 5. totally weird! (Michael Best) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:13:45 EDT >From: Vesta111@aol.com >Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler >To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >Message-ID: <1ec.419085aa.3038f709@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >O.k., so how can we help you John to be able to read, with comfort our mail >that is in Html. > > > > >> bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7>> >> >> >e_document=20 > > >>face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> >>

In a message dated 8/17/2005 5:57:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 >> javilk@mall-net.com writes:

>>> style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px >> >> >solid"><= > > >>FONT=20 >> style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 >> >> >size= > > >> =3D2> =20 >> I really wish you'd set your mail handler to conform to >> >> >internet=20 > >Lord have mercy, is this what you see when I send mail ? If it is, let me >know and I will get my son over here and perhaps he can show me how to write >and send some other way. > > It will give me a chance to visit with the rotten kid. All those years I >bust my butt to feed ,cloth,and educate the twerp--so how does he pay me back >???? He spends all his time with this woman he married and they in turn >devote all their time to their kid, and the kid is just as rotten as his dad. >No time left for his parents " strains of Cats In The Cradle" >floating through my mind. > >By the by, there is a museum devoted to the Evolution of Appliances. I >believe it is located in the basement of the Smithsonian in D.C. > There is also a collection of toasters on display in Chicago. A >couple of Dudes display with great pride the results of 10 thousand hours of >searching and collecting, to bring to the American public the most authentic >collection of toasters and waffle irons known to man. > > Regards Vesta >No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And >those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050820/560c162d/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:45:02 EDT >From: Vesta111@aol.com >Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. >To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >Message-ID: <90.64476d33.30391a7e@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >In a message dated 8/19/2005 10:20:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: > >NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWER >Clyde, I went online to see what and where we could find you this Lotus >plant you wish to grow, kill and then smoke. > I know the Egyptians were ga-ga over the lotus, you see it everywhere >in the ancient paintings and stone work. I believe you may find lotus >symbols as often if not more then the Anuk. .( I know the spelling is wrong but >i am too tired to look it up) . > >About 5 or 6 years ago I watched a gardening show about the lotus of Egypt. >There is one place in England that has a blue lotus that is a 2nd. or 3rd. >generation of a plant that, as of today, no one on earth really knows if this >is the true species of lotus that enraptured the people. And why or how did >the plant cause such a sensation ? > >Let you in on a little secret Clyde, my good friend has a son who bought >leaves of a South American plant, a form of Sage plant. It is legal here in New >Hampshire----I refuse to tell you the name of this plant as it is still sold >in a lot of states and I don't know if it is legal where you are. >Anyway, I have known about this plant, the Wicca faith here use it to fly >sometimes, and there was interest about growing it in green houses since there >was no law against it. This plant is so dangerous that I found sites on the >web warning dopers to be ever of careful of this craze inducing drug. > > O.K. the son of my buddy bought some of this from a head shop , went >home ,rolled a joint and after smoking, alone, not knowing the effects of the >herb, damn near killed his family. Big time nightmare trip for the kid, >not to mention his family including the 3 children between the ages of 3 and >7 who he chased about with a knife. This kid is a grown man 23 years old >and he experimented with an unknown drug alone, no life guard to pull him out >of the effects or make sure he didn't harm himself or others. > >Clyde, I really think the idea of growing or smoking anything you have no >idea of the effects of can put you in the place of not coming down for >breakfast. > >Also, The American Indians are the only ancient peoples from anywhere on >earth that I have heard of smoking anything, and that was tobacco. > South Americans EAT or CHEW coco leaves, they don't smoke them. Indians >ate for religious reasons Payote, and that was once or twice in a life time. > The drugs of South East Asia were for thousands of years, up to today , >ingested. It was the British that taught the Chinese to smoke opium. > Clyde please don't smoke anything. Want to get high, bake Mary Jane >Brownies or go 6 weeks without a cigarette and then smoke one, make you buzz >like hell. > > We all look forward to your posts, sometimes you make me so mad I could >smack you. >Then there are times when I nod and to myself knowing just how you feel. >Been there done that. I think we all have walked a mile in your shoes at >sometime in our lives. > >Now for the hard part Clyde, we can relate to you---- can you relate to us >???? >We have our rants and pains, our problems, can you understand or feel our >pain ?? > > Clyde, if you want a friend, you must be a friend. In other words, Clyde, >we care about you, do you care about us ????? > Don't ignore me Clyde, I want answers to my questions, you can >give them to us, no more one way help, how about you giving us some of your >ideas to help us. Time to listen to our problems and try to give us >advise----This is what friends do, I hope you will be a friend to us, we are willing to >be ,and have been your friend. > Regards Vesta > >No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And >those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050820/651c7830/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:50:02 -0400 >From: "Michael Best" >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Nanotubes Rule! >To: >Message-ID: <000301c5a5fb$072f93a0$6501a8c0@mikey> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Nanotubes show their strength in numbers >Super-strong sheets could be used in future screens and surfaces > >By Kathleen Wren >Science >Updated: 4:07 p.m. ET Aug. 18, 2005 >WASHINGTON - Carbon nanotubes, the wunderkind molecules of the nanoworld, >are finally showing strength in numbers. Researchers have now made large >nanotube sheets that have many of the same star qualities as the prima >donna-like single molecules, bringing the promises of nanotechnology a step >closer to reality. > >The flexible, transparent sheets can conduct electricity and emit light or >heat when a voltage is applied, leading their creators to propose that our >car windows and the canopies of military aircraft could contain nearly >invisible antennae, electrical heaters for defrost, or informative optical >displays. > > > >http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8976160/ > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:32:52 -0400 >From: "Michael Best" >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Playing God for Man's benefit! >To: >Message-ID: <000601c5a601$03828270$6501a8c0@mikey> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Researchers creating life from scratch >'Synthetic biologists' build with one genetic molecule at a time > >Updated: 8:48 a.m. ET Aug. 19, 2005 > >AP- BERKELEY, Calif. - They're called "synthetic biologists" and they boldly >claim the ability to make never-before-seen living things, one genetic >molecule at a time. > >They're mixing, matching and stacking DNA's chemical components like >microscopic Lego blocks in an effort to make biologically based computers, >medicines and alternative energy sources. The rapidly expanding field is >confounding the taxonomists' centuries-old system of classifying species and >raising concerns about the new technology's potential for misuse. > > > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9005023/ > > > >To Mad Scientist constituency: I really appreciated what Vesta had to say regarding friendship and the pleasant words she spoke about its reciprocal requirements. I get it. I really don't have anything to add to that. Thank you! Lisa R. Smith >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:43:18 -0400 >From: "Michael Best" >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] totally weird! >To: >Message-ID: <000701c5a602$788ab9b0$6501a8c0@mikey> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Violent or erotic images cause momentary periods of "emotion-induced >blindness" >By Melanie Moran >Published: August 11, 2005 > >If your partner seems to be ignoring you after a flash of nudity on the >television screen, it might not be his or her fault: A new psychological >study finds that when people are shown violent or erotic images they >frequently fail to process what they see immediately afterwards. > > > >http://exploration.vanderbilt.edu/news/news_rubberneck.htm > > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Mad-Scientists mailing list >Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > >End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 53 >********************************************** > > > From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Aug 21 09:08:56 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sun Aug 21 09:09:02 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Violating the speed limit Message-ID: <001a01c5a66a$a2779fa0$6501a8c0@mikey> Light that travels faster than the speed of light >From Science Blog A team of researchers from the Ecole Polytechnique F?d?rale de Lausanne (EPFL) has successfully demonstrated, for the first time, that it is possible to control the speed of light ? both slowing it down and speeding it up ? in an optical fiber, using off-the-shelf instrumentation in normal environmental conditions. Their results, to be published in the August 22 issue of Applied Physics Letters, could have implications that range from optical computing to the fiber-optic telecommunications industry. On the screen, a small pulse shifts back and forth ? just a little bit. But this seemingly unremarkable phenomenon could have profound technological consequences. It represents the success of Luc Th?venaz and his fellow researchers in the Nanophotonics and Metrology laboratory at EPFL in controlling the speed of light in a simple optical fiber. They were able not only to slow light down by a factor of three from its well ? established speed c of 300 million meters per second in a vacuum, but they've also accomplished the considerable feat of speeding it up ? making light go faster than the speed of light. http://www.scienceblog.com/light.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 10:16:10 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 21 10:16:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Violating the speed limit In-Reply-To: <001a01c5a66a$a2779fa0$6501a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050821171610.93111.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> SONOLUMINESCENCE CAN PRODUCE LOW FREQUENCY LIGHT. AND X RAYS AND GAMMA RAYS TRAVEL FAR FASTER IN SPACETIME THAN DOES THE LIGHT PRODUCED BY SONONLUMINESCENCE. LIGHT TRAVELLING FASTER THAN LIGHT; ALL PART OF THE GREAT RADIO CONTROVERSY. ALBERT EINSTEIN WAS A PART OF IT. NIKOLA TESLA WAS A PART OF IT. GUGLIELMO MARCONI WAS A FRAUD OF IT. EDWIN ARMSTRONG WAS A PART OF IT. THOMAS EDISON WAS A CROOK OF IT. NATHAN ROSEN WAS A PART OF IT. LEE DE FOREST WAS A PART OF IT. PHILO FARNSWORTH WAS A PART OF IT. DAVID SARNOFF WAS A CROOK OF IT. AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON, TO THIS DAY. Michael Best wrote: Light that travels faster than the speed of light >From Science Blog A team of researchers from the Ecole Polytechnique F?d?rale de Lausanne (EPFL) has successfully demonstrated, for the first time, that it is possible to control the speed of light ? both slowing it down and speeding it up ? in an optical fiber, using off-the-shelf instrumentation in normal environmental conditions. Their results, to be published in the August 22 issue of Applied Physics Letters, could have implications that range from optical computing to the fiber-optic telecommunications industry. On the screen, a small pulse shifts back and forth ? just a little bit. But this seemingly unremarkable phenomenon could have profound technological consequences. It represents the success of Luc Th?venaz and his fellow researchers in the Nanophotonics and Metrology laboratory at EPFL in controlling the speed of light in a simple optical fiber. They were able not only to slow light down by a factor of three from its well ? established speed c of 300 million meters per second in a vacuum, but they've also accomplished the considerable feat of speeding it up ? making light go faster than the speed of light. http://www.scienceblog.com/light.html --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050821/a91859b7/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 10:28:26 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 21 10:28:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Playing God for Man's benefit! In-Reply-To: <000601c5a601$03828270$6501a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050821172826.22908.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> COOL STUFF. Michael Best wrote: Researchers creating life from scratch 'Synthetic biologists' build with one genetic molecule at a time Updated: 8:48 a.m. ET Aug. 19, 2005 AP- BERKELEY, Calif. - They're called "synthetic biologists" and they boldly claim the ability to make never-before-seen living things, one genetic molecule at a time. They're mixing, matching and stacking DNA's chemical components like microscopic Lego blocks in an effort to make biologically based computers, medicines and alternative energy sources. GOOD! The rapidly expanding field is confounding the taxonomists' centuries-old system of classifying species and raising concerns about the new technology's potential for misuse. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9005023/ CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050821/0fdb16af/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 10:31:45 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 21 10:31:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Nanotubes Rule! In-Reply-To: <000301c5a5fb$072f93a0$6501a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050821173146.95367.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> COOL STUFF HERE TOO. ALTHOUGH THE CARCINOGENIC TOPIC THAT JOHN TALKED ABOUT IN HIS REPLY, MIGHT TURN OUT TO BE A PROBLEM, LIKE HE SAID. CLYDE Michael Best wrote: Nanotubes show their strength in numbers Super-strong sheets could be used in future screens and surfaces By Kathleen Wren Science Updated: 4:07 p.m. ET Aug. 18, 2005 WASHINGTON - Carbon nanotubes, the wunderkind molecules of the nanoworld, are finally showing strength in numbers. Researchers have now made large nanotube sheets that have many of the same star qualities as the prima donna-like single molecules, bringing the promises of nanotechnology a step closer to reality. The flexible, transparent sheets can conduct electricity and emit light or heat when a voltage is applied, leading their creators to propose that our car windows and the canopies of military aircraft could contain nearly invisible antennae, electrical heaters for defrost, or informative optical displays. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8976160/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050821/0210e39a/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 10:41:24 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 21 10:41:29 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050820061745.7248.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050821174124.30388.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > As you slip below 5hz, memory starts failing because the nerve > cells have enough time to heal between pulses. And with that, you slip > into sleep. OK. > There is some stuff on brain waves and health at > http://www.sitepsych.com/alt/bioergo/bwaves.html I LIKE THIS WEBPAGE. I forgot to mention, this is not a public set of pages. You can look at them, all the list members can look at them, but they aren't meant for the average person. OK. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050821/ef3dfcb1/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 12:48:49 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 21 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050820074745.43234.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050821194849.93606.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > As you slip below 5hz, memory starts failing because the nerve > > cells have enough time to heal between pulses. And with that, you slip > > into sleep. > > I GUESS I'D INDUCE BRAIN DEATH, AT A PURE, D.C. E.M. FIELD. Near DC, but DC ends up not producing any stimulus. WELL, D.C. IS FLATLINE! D.C. FLATLINE MIGHT JUST INDUCE BRAIN DEATH, IF USED FOR TOO LONG OF A TIME, AND THEN BODY DEATH FOLLOWING SHORTLY THEREAFTER. > > There is some stuff on brain waves and health at > > http://www.sitepsych.com/alt/bioergo/bwaves.html > I LIKE THAT WEBLINK THE BEST, OUT OF EVERY ONE THAT YOU'VE > FORWARDED, FROM YOUR WEBSITE. Thank you. I wrote that some ten years ago. I ALWAYS THOUGHT THOUGH, THAT ALPHA WAS AT THE VERY LOWEST PORTION OF THE E.M. SPECTRUM, AND NOT THETA; I'M CONFUSED. MY OLD 1970 ALLIED RADIO SHACK DICTIONARY OF ELECTRONICS HAS THE GREEK ALPHABET LISTED IN ITS BACK. BUT ACCORDING TO THE LIST ON THE WEBPAGE ABOVE ON YOUR WEBSITE, IT DOESN'T LIST THE RANGES OF ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT WAVELENGTHS IN THE SAME ORDER AS THE GREEK ALPHABET SYMBOLOGIES ARE LISTED IN THE BACK OF THE OLD ALLIED RADIO SHACK ELECTRONICS DICTIONARY. IT'S A DAMNED SHAME THAT THEY NO LONGER PRODUCE THIS TYPE OF A DICTIONARY FOR EVERYONE OUT THERE, FOR BOTH YOUNG AND OLD ALIKE, WHO HAVE INTERESTS IN ELECTRICITY AND ELECTRONICS TERMINOLOGIES AND FACTS IN THIS MODERN TIME PERIOD; WE ALL JUST GET SOLD CHEAP CHINESE COMMERCIALISM CRAP ASSEMBLY LINE MICROELECTRONICS, FROM THE MODERN RADIO SHACK: RADIO SMACK. > > SINCE YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION COPYRIGHTED, WOULD YOU GIVE ME PERMISSION TO RELAY THE ABOVE WEBLINK TO DIETER DOEPFER; THE OWNER OF THE GERMAN DOEPFER SOUND SYNTHESIZER COMPANY, WHO HELPED TO MAKE KRAFTWERK'S ELECTRONIC AND COMPUTER MUSIC FAMOUS, SO THAT MR. DOEPFER CAN THEN FORWARD THE WEBLINK TO FLORIAN SCHNEIDER, OF KRAFTERK? No. this is private stuff related to my own research. I am sharing it with you because I think it may help you. > IF IT CAN HELP OUT IN MY ALTERNATIVE LYRICS TO RADIOACTIVITY THAT I HAVE WRITTEN. I GAVE THE RIGHTS TO MY ALTERNATIVE LYRICS OF THE SONG: RADIOACTIVITY, TO KRAFTWERK, SINCE I CANNOT DO A PERFECT COVER VERSION OF THAT SONG, TRYING TO LIVE IN THIS FOREVER GO NOWHERE INDUSTRIAL SLUM-WASTELAND, OF TULSA OKLAHOMA; MONEY JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN IN LARGE ENOUGH QUANTITIES, IN SMALL ENOUGH AMOUNTS OF TIME, FOR EVERYONE, ALL OF THE TIME, IN THE SHITTY OF TULSA, AND SHTATE OF OKLAHOMA. I hate rock music!!! I absolutely do not want any of my research associated with rock music! Ever! NO; KRAFTWERK ISN'T NECESSARILY UNDER THE CATEGORY OF ROCK MUSIC. RALF HUETTER AND FLORIAN SCHNEIDER BOTH HAD THEIR TRAINING IN CLASSICAL MUSIC. KRAFTWERK AS THE BAND, STARTED OUT AS COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC, COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL ELECTROACOUSTIC MUSIC, AND COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRONIC MUSIC, AND EVENTUALLY WENT THE WAYS OF BOTH PURELY ELECTRONIC SYNTHETIC ROCK, WITH MELODY AND STYLE, AND ALSO TOWARD TECHNO. PINK FLOYD, IN ENGLAND ON THE OTHER HAND, STARTED OUT, COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL AT NEARLY THE SAME TIME, IN ENGLAND, BUT THEY WENT THE DIRECTION OF ENTIRLEY EXPERIMENTAL ROCK, WITH ELECTRIC GUITARS, ACOUSTIC GUITARS, ACOUSTIC PERCUSSION, AND EXPERIMENTAL SOUND SYNTHESIS AND SYNTHESIZER EQUIPMENT. COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL SOUND SYNTHESIS EQUIPMENT ARE WHERE BOTH KRAFTWERK AND PINK FLOYD RELATE. EXPERIMENTAL SOUND SYNTHESIS. SIMPLIFIED EVEN FURTHER: PINK FLOYD WENT THE DIRECTION OF ROCK. KRAFTWERK WENT THE DIRECTION OF TECHNO. KRAFTWERK THOUGH, HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE COMPLETELY SYNTHETIC ELECTRONIC COMPUTER MUSIC ELECTRONIC ROCK. PINK FLOYD DOES NOT. I HOPE THIS CLARIFIES THINGS A BIT. NEITHER PINK FLOYD, NOR KRAFTWERK, FIT INTO THE CATEGORY OF HEAVY METAL, THRASH METAL, OR OTHER MODERN HEAVY ROCK MUSICAL STYLES. I enjoy classical music, slow things. My favorites are Satie, Debussey, and a few others who wrote good slow classical music. YEAH, I WISH THERE COULD BE MORE CREATIVE COMPOSERS OUT THERE WHO COULD PRODUCE CLASSICAL MUSIC OF THE STYLES LIKE JOHN WILLIAMS: (PRODUCER OF THE MUSIC TO THE STAR WARS TRILOGY, JURASSIC PARK, AND MANY OTHER MOVIES); JOHN WILLIAMS: (THE CLASSICAL GUITAR PLAYER; (I ALSO LIKE CLASSICAL GUITAR MUSIC TOO); DAVID ARNOLD: (PRODUCER OF THE MUSIC TO THE MOVIE: STARGATE); ALAN SYLVESTRI: (COMPOSER OF THE MUSIC TO THE BACK TO THE FUTURE TRILOGY, AS WELL AS OTHER MUSICAL COMPOSITIONS; (I THINK HE DID THE CLASSICAL COMPOSITIONS FOR THE MOVIE: FOREST GUMP, ALSO); DENNIS MCCARTHY: (COMPOSER OF CLASSICAL MUSIC SCORES FOR MANY OF THE MODERN STAR TREK PRODUCTIONS); JERRY GOLDSMITH: (WHO HAS ALSO DONE THE CLASSICAL MUSIC SCORES FOR MODERN STAR TREK PRODUCTIONS; (MY FAVORITE: STAR TREK PRODUCTION: FIRST CONTACT); BRAD FIEDEL: (COMPOSER OF THE EXPERIMENTAL SYNTHETIC SOUND AND MUSIC FOR THE TERMINATOR TRILOGY); AND GUSTAV HOLST: (HIS MUSICAL SCORE OF THE PLANETS, IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE CLASSICAL MUSIC PRODUCTIONS OF THE PAST); ISAO TOMITA: IN 1976, DID AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT, COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRONIC MUSIC RENDITION OF THE PLANETS (OF WHICH I OWN A COPY OF, ON C.D.), ORIGINALLY COMPOSED BY GUSTAV HOLST). It's really sad they don't write good harmonious classical music anymore. The keying for modern music just does not resolve tension, it boosts tension. It's crap! HEAVY METAL, AND OTHER MODERN ROCK ARE THERE, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, BOTH YOUNG AND OLD, ARE FED UP WITH A LOT OF SHIT IN THIS WORLD, AND THOSE STYLES OF MUSIC ARE JUST A NECESSARY FORM OF RELEASE OF TENSION FOR THEM. WHERE WOULD ANY OF US BE, WITHOUT ANY TENSION RELIEF??? ALTHOUGH ON THE OTHER HAND, HEAVY METAL AND OTHER MODERN ROCK, ARE TENSION BUILDERS FOR THOSE OTHERS WHO DON'T CARE TO LISTEN TO THOSE STYLES OF MUSIC. SO IT GOES BOTH WAYS. I HAD TO WAIT UNTIL TODAY, TO REPLY BACK, TO THIS E-MAIL IN FULL DETAIL, INSTEAD OF YESTERDAY. I WENT TO THE LIBRARY FOR A SHORT TIME YESTERDAY, AFTER WORK, TYPED UP THE ORIGINAL TWO OR SO E-MAILS THAT I SENT YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, THEN WENT HOME, AND SLEPT ALL AFTERNOON, AND ALL OF THE WAY THROUGH THE NIGHT. I WAS SO DAMNED TIRED YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, THAT I COULD HARDLY FUNCTION, AFTER WORK. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050821/8a3c3581/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Aug 21 13:08:18 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Aug 21 13:08:22 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050821194849.93606.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 21, 2005 12:48:49 PM Message-ID: <20050821200818.10365.qmail@mall-net.com> > > I GUESS I'D INDUCE BRAIN DEATH, AT A PURE, D.C. E.M. FIELD. > > Near DC, but DC ends up not producing any stimulus. > > WELL, D.C. IS FLATLINE! > D.C. FLATLINE MIGHT JUST INDUCE BRAIN DEATH, IF USED FOR TOO LONG OF A TIME, > AND THEN BODY DEATH FOLLOWING SHORTLY THEREAFTER. Nope. Most things just ignore signals ouy of the bandwidth of their sensitivity. With low frequency magnetics, it appears that the transition itself is the signal, not the polarity. > Thank you. I wrote that some ten years ago. > I ALWAYS THOUGHT THOUGH, THAT ALPHA WAS AT THE VERY LOWEST PORTION OF THE E.M. SPECTRUM, AND NOT THETA; I'M CONFUSED. Alpha is the strongest signal, hence Alpha, as in Alpha male. Alpha is what they do in Transcendental Mediation. Theta is what they do in Zazen meditation. > MY OLD 1970 ALLIED RADIO SHACK DICTIONARY OF ELECTRONICS HAS THE > GREEK ALPHABET LISTED IN ITS BACK. > BUT ACCORDING TO THE LIST ON THE WEBPAGE ABOVE ON YOUR WEBSITE, IT > DOESN'T LIST THE RANGES OF ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT WAVELENGTHS IN THE SAME ORDER AS THE GREEK ALPHABET SYMBOLOGIES ARE LISTED IN THE BACK OF THE OLD ALLIED RADIO SHACK ELECTRONICS DICTIONARY. It depends on the order in which they were discovered, etc. Not everything makes sense when compared with today's knowledge. > It's really sad they don't write good harmonious classical music > anymore. The keying for modern music just does not resolve tension, it > boosts tension. It's crap! HEAVY METAL, AND OTHER MODERN ROCK ARE THERE, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, BOTH YOUNG AND OLD, ARE FED UP WITH A LOT OF SHIT IN THIS WORLD, AND THOSE STYLES OF MUSIC ARE JUST A NECESSARY FORM OF RELEASE OF TENSION FOR THEM. > WHERE WOULD ANY OF US BE, WITHOUT ANY TENSION RELIEF??? > ALTHOUGH ON THE OTHER HAND, HEAVY METAL AND OTHER MODERN ROCK, ARE TENSION BUILDERS FOR THOSE OTHERS WHO DON'T CARE TO LISTEN TO THOSE STYLES OF MUSIC. I do not remeber exactly how this was explained by a musician I know; but aside from differences in beat, the tonal sequences of most modern music are quite diffent from those of classical. The effect was markedly evident when he played a few chords. I have heard some reworked classical by some rock band. It sounded just like their regular trash despite the slightly slower beat. > I WENT TO THE LIBRARY FOR A SHORT TIME YESTERDAY, AFTER WORK, TYPED UP THE ORIGINAL TWO OR SO E-MAILS THAT I SENT YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, THEN WENT HOME, AND SLEPT ALL AFTERNOON, AND ALL OF THE WAY THROUGH THE NIGHT. Good for you! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Aug 21 13:18:59 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Aug 21 13:19:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] More on unintelligent design In-Reply-To: <003501c5a5b1$7ffcde40$6501a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Aug 20, 2005 02:03:41 PM Message-ID: <20050821201859.17310.qmail@mall-net.com> > Now comes word that a little-known government office has accused the > Smithsonian of retaliating against a scientist who slipped an article > promoting intelligent design into an obscure journal that has only very > loose connections to the Smithsonian. That judgment, by the United = The best counter to "intelligent design", is to say that the design of a system which picks the best design, is the most intelligent design there is. That system is called Evolution. Why can't we say that the Creation of Evolution is an intelligent design. Confuse the beswangers out o' dem bubblethumpers. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 13:49:36 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 21 13:49:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REVISED. In-Reply-To: <20050821194849.93606.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050821204936.52646.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: I hate rock music!!! I absolutely do not want any of my research associated with rock music! Ever! NO; KRAFTWERK ISN'T NECESSARILY UNDER THE CATEGORY OF ROCK MUSIC. RALF HUETTER AND FLORIAN SCHNEIDER BOTH HAD THEIR TRAINING IN CLASSICAL MUSIC. KRAFTWERK, AS THE BAND, STARTED OUT AS COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC, COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL ELECTROACOUSTIC MUSIC, AND COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRONIC MUSIC, AND EVENTUALLY WENT THE WAYS OF BOTH PURELY ELECTRONIC SYNTHETIC ROCK, WITH CREATIVITY, MELODY, LYRICS, AND STYLE, BUT MAINLY WENT IN THE DIRECTION OF TECHNO. PINK FLOYD, IN ENGLAND ON THE OTHER HAND, STARTED OUT, COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL AT NEARLY THE SAME TIME, BUT THEY WENT THE DIRECTION OF ENTIRLEY EXPERIMENTAL ROCK, WITH ELECTRIC GUITARS, ACOUSTIC GUITARS, ACOUSTIC PERCUSSION, AND EXPERIMENTAL SOUND SYNTHESIS AND SYNTHESIZER EQUIPMENT. COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL SOUND SYNTHESIS EQUIPMENT ARE WHERE BOTH KRAFTWERK AND PINK FLOYD RELATE. EXPERIMENTAL SOUND SYNTHESIS. SIMPLIFIED EVEN FURTHER: PINK FLOYD WENT THE DIRECTION OF ROCK. KRAFTWERK WENT THE DIRECTION OF TECHNO. KRAFTWERK HAS THE ABILITY TO RE-CREATE (REMIX) THEIR TECHNO TUNES INTO COMPLETELY SLOWED DOWN, SYNTHETIC MELODIOUS ELECTRONIC COMPUTER MUSIC-ELECTRONIC ROCK, IF THEY COULD JUST SLOW, AND MELLOW DOWN SOME OF THEIR FAST PACED, FAST TEMPO'ED, HYPED UP TECHNO/HOUSE STYLED TUNES. KRAFTWERK HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE COMPLETELY SYNTHETIC ELECTRONIC SOUNDSCAPES, WITH MELODY, INTO BOTH TECHNO, AS WELL AS PURELY ELECTRONIC SYNTHETIC COMPUTER MUSIC ROCK. PINK FLOYD HOWEVER, DOESN'T HAVE THAT ABILITY. I HOPE THIS CLARIFIES THINGS A BIT. NEITHER PINK FLOYD, NOR KRAFTWERK, FIT INTO THE CATEGORY OF HEAVY METAL, THRASH METAL, OR ANY OTHER MODERN HEAVY ROCK MUSICAL STYLES. I enjoy classical music, slow things. My favorites are Satie, Debussey, and a few others who wrote good slow classical music. YEAH, I WISH THERE COULD BE MORE CREATIVE COMPOSERS OUT THERE TOO, WHO COULD PRODUCE CLASSICAL MUSIC OF THE STYLES LIKE JOHN WILLIAMS: (PRODUCER OF THE MUSIC TO THE STAR WARS TRILOGY, JURASSIC PARK, AND MANY OTHER MOVIES); ALSO THE OTHER JOHN WILLIAMS: (THE CLASSICAL GUITAR PLAYER; (I ALSO LIKE CLASSICAL GUITAR MUSIC TOO); DAVID ARNOLD: (PRODUCER OF THE MUSIC TO THE MOVIE: STARGATE); ALAN SYLVESTRI: (COMPOSER OF THE MUSIC TO THE BACK TO THE FUTURE TRILOGY, AS WELL AS OTHER MUSICAL COMPOSITIONS; (I THINK ALAN SYLVESTRI DID THE CLASSICAL COMPOSITIONS FOR THE MOVIE: FOREST GUMP, ALSO); DENNIS MCCARTHY: (COMPOSER OF CLASSICAL MUSIC SCORES FOR MANY OF THE MODERN STAR TREK PRODUCTIONS); JERRY GOLDSMITH: (WHO HAS ALSO DONE THE CLASSICAL MUSIC SCORES FOR MODERN STAR TREK PRODUCTIONS AS WELL; (MY FAVORITE: STAR TREK PRODUCTION: FIRST CONTACT); BRAD FIEDEL: (COMPOSER OF THE EXPERIMENTAL SYNTHETIC SOUNDS AND MUSIC FOR THE TERMINATOR TRILOGY); AND GUSTAV HOLST: (HIS MUSICAL SCORE, OF THE PLANETS, IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE CLASSICAL MUSIC PRODUCTIONS OF THE PAST); ISAO TOMITA, IN 1976, DID AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT, COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRONIC MUSIC RENDITION OF THE PLANETS (OF WHICH I OWN A COPY OF, ON C.D.), ORIGINALLY COMPOSED BY GUSTAV HOLST). ISAO TOMITA'S ELECTRONIC MUSIC PRODUCTION OF THE PLANETS IS NO LONGER IN PRINT AND MANUFACTURE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THOUGH I WISH IT STILL WAS, FOR MANY OTHERS WHO ARE OUT THERE, WHO ALSO ENJOY EXPERIMENTAL AND ETHEREAL ELECTRONIC, AND ELECTROACOUSTIC MUSIC. RADIOACTIVITY IS MY FAVORITE KRAFTWERK ALBUM PRODUCTION, WHICH THEY PRODUCED IN THE YEAR THAT I WAS BORN: 1975. I NEED TO GO GET SOME LUNCH. LATER, CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050821/a79c9aaf/attachment-0001.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Aug 21 14:27:01 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sun Aug 21 14:27:36 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] More on unintelligent design Message-ID: <003201c5a697$1224c7c0$6501a8c0@mikey> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:18:59 +0000 (GMT) From: javilk@mall-net.com > The best counter to "intelligent design", is to say that the design > of a system which picks the best design, is the most intelligent design > there is. That system is called Evolution. > Why can't we say that the Creation of Evolution is an intelligent > design. Confuse the beswangers out o' dem bubblethumpers. This has been my position for many years. I see our Creator in Darwin's theory! How else could it have happened? Look at the intelligence needed to design a system where random variations aggregate to produce Home sapiens! THIS is the penultimate Miracle! The PROOF of a Creator! However, there are many zealots who are quite uncomfortable with the thought that "Faith" is not needed, that there may well be a scientific interpretation of God. But what has Man's science been for all of history? It has been the search for God's Truth of the Universe, unbiased by personal belief. "Science is religion distilled to mathematics." (MB) -MB From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Aug 21 23:56:02 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 21 23:56:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pharmacists Speak Message-ID: <12e.6482b1f8.303ad102@aol.com> In a message dated 8/19/2005 11:16:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mbest@triad.rr.com writes: No- we have no responsibility for anyone's salvation other than our own. We are required to show them the path to salvation, but it is their choice to accept or deny it. We will be judged only on our own actions, not the actions of others. We will be judged only on our own actions, not the actions of others. This is the ideal thought and way of life. Unfortunately this is seldom if ever the case. People are judged by the others they hang out, work, or play with. The Law of the land says that if you are with someone who commits a crime, weather or not you do anything, you are as guilty as the person who did the crime. There is guilty by association, only 60 or so years ago the whole country went crazy with the so called communist hunt here in America. People from the local doctors down to the neighborhood grocers were placed on the hot seat. Actors, writers, directors in the film industry were destroyed. Today, if you work for a stock broker who goes to jail, what are your chances of being employed any place in that industry ???? Family, you live in a small town and your 4 th. cousin 3 times removed is placed on a sex offenders list, anyone remotely related by blood or even having gone to school with the cousin is looked at with a jaundiced eye. People are judged fairly or not by the company they keep, that is why there are allot of us who choose to keep company with ourselves and a good dog. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050821/a2b06ca4/attachment.html From FMoore at POCO.com Mon Aug 22 07:05:53 2005 From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank) Date: Mon Aug 22 07:06:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C974701468B01@pzisexch.poco.com> Well, John... Your experiences are entirely counter to mine. I've used e-mail for about 20 years now... And have used HTML whenever possible since it became available. I prefer the look and greater customizability it offers. But I have also been extremely cautious and careful about what I open. I scan any message that looks like it might contain a virus. And I have also never had a infection of a virus; trojan; or any other e-mail nasty. And between three addys on Verizon and one at work... I get perhaps ten spam e-mails a month. Most people I know who get tons of spam have been less than judicious about giving out their addys. The only addy I have that gets much spam is Hotmail. But that's why I have that account and use it for communications I'm leery of. If Vesta is not e-mail savvy, he may not know where the options are to change the default settings. Especially with AOL. It's been a long time since I used AOL, so I don't recall where they are. Perhaps one of his children can walk him through it. But the main point behind my original message was to let Vesta know that HTML is not a major issue for most people. All members of the List have the same rights. And I really must say that I found your original diatribe on the matter more than a wee bit rude and abusive. Frank F. Moore Project Scientist Poco Graphite, Inc. 300 Old Greenwood Rd. Decatur, TX 76234 Ph: 940-393-4360 Fax: 940-393-8383 FMoore@poco.com -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of javilk@mall-net.com Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 7:18 PM To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler > I think the problem is on his end... not yours. Your e-mails to the > ListServer always look fine to me... And I have no problem seeing the > passages you have quoted from others. They have a blue line that runs > down the left margin. I do notice that they are HTML format, which is > fine to me. I prefer e-mail in HTML. Perhaps Javilk has his server > set to "Plain Text" only? If the receiving mail server automatically > converts HTML to Plain Text, it may jumble things around a bit. All the lists I've used over the last 12 years blocked HTML mail. That includes the web consultant's list, folks who write in HTML for a living. Why? Use to be just because it was excessive; now it's another way of getting viruses. So yes, this computer geek and webmaster does not have HTML mail enabled. Indeed, I am using a mail handler that is incapable of hanling HTML, atchooments etc. And with that, I've not caught any viruses. Ever. (Though it helps that I'm running Linux.) Plus, not all devices out there handle HTML Mail. Of those that do, not everyone enables it for security reasons. And since almost all spam these days is HTML mail, many filter on that! Since I have been getting several hundred spams per hour (and blocking most of them), I usually handle my e-mail on the server without downloading to my machine. As do many with similar situations. That means a simple mail handler which does not do HTML. This is the only HTML Mail source that I allow through my mail filter. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists From FMoore at POCO.com Mon Aug 22 07:10:36 2005 From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank) Date: Mon Aug 22 07:10:40 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pencil Lead Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C974701468B06@pzisexch.poco.com> Good question. Must be one of those "traditional usage" type things. People rarely stop to think about what's in common everyday things, such as pencils. And since even now, I suppose most folks grow up hearing them referred to as "lead pencils"... They just assume that that's what they are and what they contain. ________________________________ From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of Vesta111@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:31 PM To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler By the way, can you tell me why if I were to wander around the campus of most colleges and ask random students what is the material in a pencil they will answer Lead ? I would not ask in any college in Cal. as the answers could cause insanity in pollsters. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050822/39b56fe9/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 22 10:48:03 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 22 10:48:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C974701468B01@pzisexch.poco.com> from "Moore, Frank" at Aug 22, 2005 09:05:53 AM Message-ID: <20050822174803.94581.qmail@mall-net.com> > Your experiences are entirely counter to mine. I've used e-mail > for about 20 years now... And have used HTML whenever possible since it > became available. I prefer the look and greater customizability it > offers. But I have also been extremely cautious and careful about what > I open. I scan any message that looks like it might contain a virus. In other words, you have used e-mail very little. > And I have also never had a infection of a virus; trojan; or any other > e-mail nasty. And between three addys on Verizon and one at work... I > get perhaps ten spam e-mails a month. Most people I know who get tons of > spam have been less than judicious about giving out their addys. The > only addy I have that gets much spam is Hotmail. But that's why I have > that account and use it for communications I'm leery of. I have been "out there" with a lot of pages drawing business to me via e-mail and web interfaces on several sites. To do that, one does have to put one's e-mail address out there. Not that it really matters to spammers anymore. Most just make up addresses based on web directories, common names, and other such nonsense. Aside from writing four to ten pieces on several lists a day, I develop web pages, work on web strategies for clients, write programs that respond to people, etc. At one point, we had over 10,000 subscribers to a set of mailing lists which I created. Several thousand keep bugging me to re-start those mailing lists. Of course, the dot-com crash took its toll. I earn my living on the web. But it's not what it use to be! (And there are a lot more distractions out here than in civilization.) That's part of why I have, at times, seen over 1,000 spams per hour flood my way, crashing our mail handlers, etc. All it takes, is a few people to get a virus, and we get hammered with viruses in the mail. We have since improved matters, but I keep finding customer e-mails in the second level trash cache. Oh, and I have used HTML mail on occasion. It is the best way of determining whether someone on the other end has looked at your e-mail and then connecting him or her to the visitors on your site so that you can know what they are interested in, how long they look at your content, etc. etc. etc. In other words, peeking into potential customer's minds so you can categorize them into psychographic categories and tailor your sales pitch to them in subsequent e-mails. I don't do the last part. I've been offered cash to do that for others, but refused as it leads to spamming. And that does not even go to what one can do with Java and Javascript, which I keep disabled on my browser except when absolutely necessary. That's one of the reasons I discard most HTML mail. It's the first cut on the spam filters. And those which I do read, I read as plain ASCII text to keep something from fetching an invisible image and linking my address to my visits or doing other nasty things. > But the main point behind my original message was to let Vesta > know that HTML is not a major issue for most people. All members of the Most people don't know how HTML mail is used against them. Then again, most people are totally ignorant of almost everything anyway, with small exception of what they do at work. And even then, they are mostly unuse to thinking logically about how things work and how they interact. That's why they have to hire consultants like me. (Not that I know a lot; but I can figure new things out a lot faster than most people.) It's really sad; but it seems like the really smart people don't breed very well. We do see a reduction in cranial size in other species as well, like dogs and cats. > List have the same rights. And I really must say that I found your > original diatribe on the matter more than a wee bit rude and abusive. I am sorry you don't understand the realities of what is going on out there. The internet is now a very hostile place. 90%+ spam, and most viruses and a lot of spam masquerading as e-mail from people you correspond with, sent by armies of zombie machines hired by spammers from virus writers. Much is because the average person is seduced by HTML mail and useless glitz. The Unix community learned very rapidly in the mid 80's from the Morris worm. IBM learned it a little later with another worm. Apple managed to clean up most of its virus holes in about five years of it being out in public photocopy shops. But the Windows community can't seem to grasp this. That is why the proliferation of worms and viruses that this stupidity allows is costing the American economy several billion dollars a year. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. 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The internet is now a very hostile place. 90%+ spam, and most viruses and a lot of spam masquerading as e-mail from people you correspond with, sent by armies of zombie machines hired by spammers from virus writers<<< I am quite cognizant of "what goes on out there", thank-you very much. I participate regularly on several technology and PC bulletin forums and am a Moderator at a couple. While IT isn't my primary function... I cold hardly had had a 28+ year career as an Analytical Chemist utilizing a plethora of state-of-the-art instrumentation without being fairly well versed with computers. I still contend.... With the several dozen or so people I know quite well who make their living in the Cyber World... That your experiences are not the norm. Frank F. Moore Project Scientist Poco Graphite, Inc. 300 Old Greenwood Rd. Decatur, TX 76234 Ph: 940-393-4360 Fax: 940-393-8383 FMoore@poco.com From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 11:31:15 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 22 11:32:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: IAN Inside Products for August 22, 2005 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050822183115.80329.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Instrumentation & Automation News wrote:.text { FONT-SIZE: 12px; LINE-HEIGHT: 17px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif}.head1 { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12px; LINE-HEIGHT: 17px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #000000;}A:link { color: 490d08; text-decoration: none;}A:hover { COLOR: 7d7115; TEXT-DECORATION: none}.text2 { FONT-SIZE: 11px; LINE-HEIGHT: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif}.date { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 14px; COLOR: #669900; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; TEXT-DECORATION: none}.subhead { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 14px; COLOR: #cc0000; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; TEXT-DECORATION: none}.head2 { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11px; LINE-HEIGHT: 17px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif}.subhead2 { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 14px; COLOR: #cc9900; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; TEXT-DECORATION: none}.footer { FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10px; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif}a:visited { color: #666666; text-decoration: none;}.toc { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 14px; COLOR: #669900; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; TEXT-DECORATION: none}.tocx { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 14px; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; TEXT-DECORATION: none}.sponser { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: 490d08; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; TEXT-DECORATION: none}.textitalic { FONT-SIZE: 12px; LINE-HEIGHT: 17px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: italic;}.text2italic { FONT-SIZE: 11px; LINE-HEIGHT: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: italic;}August 22, 2005 ? 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050822/46c58320/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 11:35:44 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 22 11:35:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK TO SHARE. Message-ID: <20050822183544.69626.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> WEBLINK TO SHARE: 1. http://www.libertydollar.org/default.asp?REFERER=NRC79506 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050822/3735d6c4/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 13:23:08 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 22 13:23:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: FOR JAVILK. In-Reply-To: <20050820052938.79240.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050822202308.722.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > I WORKED REALLY HARD THE OTHER DAY, TO FURTHER ALONG MY SIXTH LIST OF > REMINDER WEBLINKS, BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT I'M READY ENOUGH YET, AT > THIS TIME, TO SHARE THEM WITH OTHERS, AS THERE ARE MANY OTHER > WEBSITES THAT I'D STILL LIKE TO INCLUDE, AND IT WEARS ME OUT, HAVING TO > GO THROUGH ALL OF THE WEBLINKS, JUST TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THEY ARE > ALL EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO OTHERS. > IT IS A BIG ENERGY DRAINER FOR ME TO SPEND ALL OF THE TIME, COMPILING ALL > OF THOSE WEBLINKS TOGETHER, INTO ONE, COMPLETE, GARGANTUAN WHOLE. Yes. I built a web site around that concept. Mall-Net. Sad that fades... Link rot, they call it. People move on, change the focus of their web sites, and before you know it, your links are broken. Time to pave Mall-Net's hot list area and link stuff over and start again. Want me to put your links up at Mall-Net? YEAH; I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL OF THE LISTS OF WEBLINKS AT YOUR WEBSITE. THAT'D BE COOL. ALTHOUGH I'D LIKE TO GO BACK THROUGH ALL FIVE OF THE ONE'S THAT I ALREADY COMPLETED, AND DO SOME MORE EDITING. RIGHT NOW, I'M TIRED, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL HAVE ANY ENERGY, LATER ON TODAY, TO GO THROUGH ALL OF MY LISTS, AND RE-SAVE THEM, SIDE BY SIDE. I NEED TO REVISE THEM A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050822/939c7809/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Aug 22 14:10:38 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Mon Aug 22 14:10:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK TO SHARE. In-Reply-To: <20050822190001.EF42B3982A@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <008301c5a75d$f29fe750$6501a8c0@mikey> > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:35:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: clyde lofton > > WEBLINK TO SHARE: > > 1. http://www.libertydollar.org/default.asp?REFERER=NRC79506 This is rich! Not only is it illegal and unconstitutional, subverting the tax collector, but exactly HOW are we sure that the coins are really .999 silver and he has metal reserves to cover every paper note? His good word? Then there is another question- what makes one ounce of silver worth $10? Last I checked it was worth only about 75% of that. The way I see it- The coins are worth $7.50, which he sells for $10, a 33% markup. The paper money may or may not be worth the value of the paper, ditto for his "web cash." So, at worst, you receive $30 worth of silver for $107! And he could be telling the truth, but not quite! What if he holds futures contracts, on margin, instead of real silver? Just like banks, it is unlikely that all the printed notes will be presented for redemption at once, so he only needs to hold a relatively small amount of silver to make this scam work. Lots of ways I see a clever con artist can fleece the flock here. -MB From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Aug 22 14:10:45 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Mon Aug 22 14:10:51 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK TO SHARE. In-Reply-To: <20050822190001.EF42B3982A@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <008401c5a75d$f673d2b0$6501a8c0@mikey> > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:35:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: clyde lofton > > WEBLINK TO SHARE: > > 1. http://www.libertydollar.org/default.asp?REFERER=NRC79506 This is rich! Not only is it illegal and unconstitutional, subverting the tax collector, but exactly HOW are we sure that the coins are really .999 silver and he has metal reserves to cover every paper note? His good word? Then there is another question- what makes one ounce of silver worth $10? Last I checked it was worth only about 75% of that. The way I see it- The coins are worth $7.50, which he sells for $10, a 33% markup. The paper money may or may not be worth the value of the paper, ditto for his "web cash." So, at worst, you receive $30 worth of silver for $107! And he could be telling the truth, but not quite! What if he holds futures contracts, on margin, instead of real silver? Just like banks, it is unlikely that all the printed notes will be presented for redemption at once, so he only needs to hold a relatively small amount of silver to make this scam work. Lots of ways I see a clever con artist can fleece the flock here. -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 22 16:14:03 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 22 16:14:07 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C974701468B9E@pzisexch.poco.com> from "Moore, Frank" at Aug 22, 2005 01:16:00 PM Message-ID: <20050822231403.25226.qmail@mall-net.com> > >>>I am sorry you don't understand the realities of what is going on out > there. The internet is now a very hostile place. 90%+ spam, and most > viruses and a lot of spam masquerading as e-mail from people you > I am quite cognizant of "what goes on out there", thank-you very much. > I participate regularly on several technology and PC bulletin forums and > am a Moderator at a couple. While IT isn't my primary function... I > I still contend.... With the several dozen or so people I know quite > well who make their living in the Cyber World... That your experiences > are not the norm. When you have web pages that get 200 - 400 hits per day, (and sometimes, Rarely, over a thousand hits per hour) and sites that get 3,000 - 5,000 hits per day, or lists with 10,000 members; then things change. Parts for the better, and parts for the worse. You end up in more people's address lists, and so get more viruses and spam headed your when they get knocked over. We see a lot of other interesting stuff in the logs I analyze, both on our sites and for various clients. I know some people get very little spam. I know some who get about as much spam as I do. Most of my smaller clients are in the 1,000 - 5,000 spam per day range. ISPs are working harder now, realizing they lose people due to spam, so there is a lot more "black hole" list based filtering; but some of the black holes end up being important sources as people do get accounts at hotmail, etc. That has helped cut my received spam down. But it's still bad out there, and HTML mail with serialized pictures is used by a lot of places to verify they've hit a live one. Last year, one of the real Gurus I know brought a machine up. He was getting random name spam within 45 minutes of turning the machine on. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 16:57:57 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 22 16:58:01 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK TO SHARE. In-Reply-To: <008301c5a75d$f29fe750$6501a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050822235757.53179.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> ALRIGHT. Michael Best wrote: > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:35:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: clyde lofton > > WEBLINK TO SHARE: > > 1. http://www.libertydollar.org/default.asp?REFERER=NRC79506 This is rich! Not only is it illegal and unconstitutional, subverting the tax collector, but exactly HOW are we sure that the coins are really .999 silver and he has metal reserves to cover every paper note? His good word? Then there is another question- what makes one ounce of silver worth $10? Last I checked it was worth only about 75% of that. The way I see it- The coins are worth $7.50, which he sells for $10, a 33% markup. The paper money may or may not be worth the value of the paper, ditto for his "web cash." So, at worst, you receive $30 worth of silver for $107! And he could be telling the truth, but not quite! What if he holds futures contracts, on margin, instead of real silver? Just like banks, it is unlikely that all the printed notes will be presented for redemption at once, so he only needs to hold a relatively small amount of silver to make this scam work. Lots of ways I see a clever con artist can fleece the flock here. -MB --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050822/3b4e0f17/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 17:21:58 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 22 17:22:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] GOING BANANAS. In-Reply-To: <20050818072154.15290.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050823002158.48459.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: >> ALL OF THESE FUCKING PRESCRIPTION DRUGS OF THE COMMERICIALISM >> OF PHARMACOLOGY, HAVE SO MANY DAMNED SIDE EFFECTS; SIDE >> EFFECTS ARE MORE ACCURATELY PUT AS DIRECT EFFECTS. > Have A Banana BINGO!!! Thank you Vesta! > Depression: > According to a recent survey undertaken by MIND amongst > people suffering from depression, many felt much better > after eating a banana. This is because bananas contain > trypotophan, a type of protein that the body converts > into serotonin known to make you relax, improve your mood > and generally make you feel happier. MAYBE I NEED A LIFETIME SUPPLY OF BANANAS! THERE IS A SONG THAT IS TITLED: SMOKING BANANA PEELS. I NEVER THOUGHT MUCH OF THAT SONG IN THE PAST, BUT IT MAKES ME WONDER WHAT THE EFFECTS OF ACTUALLY SMOKING BANANA PEELS WOULD BE LIKE, NOW. YES!!! Tryptophan is important in maintaining a healthy attitude toward life. Clyde, I think some of your problems may be seratonin/dopamine imbalance. (I'm not a doctor! This is only an educated guess.) ACTUALLY IT IS AN ENTIRE SABOTAGED NEURAL BALANCE THAT I SUFFER FROM. > Blood Pressure: > This unique tropical fruit is extremely high in potassium > yet low in salt, making it the perfect food for helping > to beat blood pressure. So much so, the US Food and Drug > Administration has just allowed the banana industry to > make official claims for the fruit's ability to reduce > the risk of blood pressure and stroke. YES!!! DRASTIC BLOOD PRESSURE FLUCTUATIONS FROM EVEN THE SLIGHTEST ENVIRONMENTAL STRESSORS, BECAUSE I HAVE POLLUTED MY MIND SO MUCH, LISTENING TO SO MUCH ROCK AND ROLL, AND SO MUCH OTHER MUSIC TOO. But you also need to balance that with magnesium. Too much potassium will drain the body's magnesium reserves, and peristalsis, the wave of contractions in your gut, will fail if there is not enough magnesium. Most Americans are low on magnesium. (You get magnesium by eating green veggies. Some also enters the skin if you soak in a hot bath of epsom salts.) I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT MAGNESIUM HELPS ONE TO GO TO SLEEP, WHEN IT IS TAKEN IN THE RIGHT QUANTITY. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THAT IS ACCURATE? > Hangovers: > One of the quickest ways of curing a hangover is to make > a banana milkshake, sweetened with honey. The banana > calms the stomach and, with the help of the honey, builds > up depleted blood sugar levels, while the milk soothes > and re-hydrates your system. I DON'T DRINK ENOUGH ALCOHOL, TO WORRY ABOUT THIS, ABOVE, BUT IT IS GOOD ADVICE FOR THOSE WHO DO. Too much sugar isn't really good for you... but... if you don't have hypoglycemic tendencies... bananas are a good snack. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050822/96a47ae5/attachment-0001.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 22 17:26:52 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 22 17:26:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK TO SHARE. In-Reply-To: <20050822235757.53179.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 22, 2005 04:57:57 PM Message-ID: <20050823002652.79027.qmail@mall-net.com> > ALRIGHT. > > > WEBLINK TO SHARE: > > > > 1. http://www.libertydollar.org/default.asp?REFERER=NRC79506 > > This is rich! Not only is it illegal and unconstitutional, subverting the > tax collector, but exactly HOW are we sure that the coins are really .999 > silver and he has metal reserves to cover every paper note? I am not sure if it is illegal or unconstitutional... That all depends upon how he words it. BUT... > His good word? RIGHT!!! > Then there is another question- what makes one ounce of silver worth $10? > Last I checked it was worth only about 75% of that. Even his lists spot prices that are less than his dollars. So already you have inflation. > The way I see it- The coins are worth $7.50, which he sells for $10, a 33% > markup. The paper money may or may not be worth the value of the paper, > ditto for his "web cash." So, at worst, you receive $30 worth of silver for > $107! Silver goes up and down. So does gold. > And he could be telling the truth, but not quite! What if he holds futures > contracts, on margin, instead of real silver? Just like banks, it is > unlikely that all the printed notes will be presented for redemption at > once, so he only needs to hold a relatively small amount of silver to make > this scam work. Yes. > Lots of ways I see a clever con artist can fleece the flock here. His artwork looks nice. But it's artwork. Today, anyone can print stuff like that, all it takes is a computer and a good printer. So, even if he was totally honest, how secure are the certificates themselves against faking? And who will take them? You've heard the joke about the hillbilly who sends his kid in to the store for something worth less than a buck. The kid gives the clerk a seven dollar bill, and gets two three dollar bills and some wooden nickels as change. I mean, money is money, it's only worth what someone will give you for it. That means if folks don't recognize the issuing source... it's just fancy printed paper. Now that said, there is a guy who draws his own money. It looks sort of like a US bill, but not close enough to be counterfeit. And since he's an artist, his collectors are willing to pay more than face value for his art works. But as an investment, this doesn't quite look reasonable. You're better off buying bars of silver and gold, or maybe look at Krugerands. I don't know the details, it's been a long time since I heard the gold Krugerands coins hyped. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 22 17:32:24 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 22 17:32:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] GOING BANANAS. In-Reply-To: <20050823002158.48459.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 22, 2005 05:21:58 PM Message-ID: <20050823003224.83376.qmail@mall-net.com> > BINGO!!! Thank you Vesta! > > > Depression: > > According to a recent survey undertaken by MIND amongst > > people suffering from depression, many felt much better > > after eating a banana. This is because bananas contain > > trypotophan, a type of protein that the body converts > > into serotonin known to make you relax, improve your mood > > and generally make you feel happier. > > > MAYBE I NEED A LIFETIME SUPPLY OF BANANAS! Too much of anything isn't good. > THERE IS A SONG THAT IS TITLED: SMOKING BANANA PEELS. My father use to sing "Cheapa banana, two for nickel-o, doncha wanit, doncha buyit." > I NEVER THOUGHT MUCH OF THAT SONG IN THE PAST, BUT IT MAKES ME WONDER WHAT THE EFFECTS OF ACTUALLY SMOKING BANANA PEELS WOULD BE LIKE, NOW. As Vesta says, it's not a good idea. > YES!!! Tryptophan is important in maintaining a healthy attitude > toward life. Clyde, I think some of your problems may be > seratonin/dopamine imbalance. (I'm not a doctor! This is only an > educated guess.) > > ACTUALLY IT IS AN ENTIRE SABOTAGED NEURAL BALANCE THAT I SUFFER FROM. We don't know the details. > > Blood Pressure: > > This unique tropical fruit is extremely high in potassium > > yet low in salt, making it the perfect food for helping > > to beat blood pressure. So much so, the US Food and Drug > > Administration has just allowed the banana industry to > > make official claims for the fruit's ability to reduce > > the risk of blood pressure and stroke. > > YES!!! > > DRASTIC BLOOD PRESSURE FLUCTUATIONS FROM EVEN THE SLIGHTEST ENVIRONMENTAL STRESSORS, BECAUSE I HAVE POLLUTED MY MIND SO MUCH, LISTENING TO SO MUCH ROCK AND ROLL, AND SO MUCH OTHER MUSIC TOO. Rock music builds up tension. > But you also need to balance that with magnesium. Too much > potassium will drain the body's magnesium reserves, and peristalsis, > the wave of contractions in your gut, will fail if there is not enough > magnesium. Most Americans are low on magnesium. (You get magnesium by > eating green veggies. Some also enters the skin if you soak in a hot > bath of epsom salts.) > > > I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT MAGNESIUM HELPS ONE TO GO TO SLEEP, WHEN IT IS TAKEN IN THE RIGHT QUANTITY. It can have a relaxing effect. Too much however, and you get the trots. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 18:05:49 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 22 18:05:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK TO SHARE. In-Reply-To: <20050823002652.79027.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050823010550.51748.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > ALRIGHT. > > > WEBLINK TO SHARE: > > > > 1. http://www.libertydollar.org/default.asp?REFERER=NRC79506 > This is rich! Not only is it illegal and unconstitutional UNCONSTITUTIONAL? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IF THE PEOPLE GET SO FUCKING FED UP AT BILL CLINTON AND GEORGE BUSH, BOTH, EQUALLY SELLING THIS COUNTRY OUT. BILL CLINTON: SELLOUT TO COMMUNIST CHINA. GEORGE BUSH JR.: CONTINUED SELLOUT TO COMMUNIST CRAP CHINA, AND BILLION DOLLAR SELLOUT, TO IRAQ. , subverting the > tax collector, but exactly HOW are we sure that the coins are really .999 YEAH; TESTING NEEDS TO BE DONE, TO VERIFY THE AUTHENTICITY. > silver and he has metal reserves to cover every paper note? I am not sure if it is illegal or unconstitutional... That all depends upon how he words it. BUT... > His good word? RIGHT!!! > Then there is another question- what makes one ounce of silver worth $10? > Last I checked it was worth only about 75% of that. YEAH; LET'S JUST MAKE A BUCK SILVER, OR HELL; PLATINUM NOW, INSTEAD OF FUCKING GOD DAMNED PAPER! Even his lists spot prices that are less than his dollars. So already you have inflation. > The way I see it- The coins are worth $7.50, which he sells for $10, a 33% > markup. The paper money may or may not be worth the value of the paper, > ditto for his "web cash." So, at worst, you receive $30 worth of silver for > $107! LET'S JUST MAKE A BUCK; SILVER, OR PLATINUM, WITH HIS EXACT SAME LADY LIBERTY ARTISTRY! Silver goes up and down. So does gold. YEAH. > And he could be telling the truth, but not quite! What if he holds futures > contracts, on margin, instead of real silver? Just like banks, it is > unlikely that all the printed notes will be presented for redemption at > once, so he only needs to hold a relatively small amount of silver to make > this scam work. Yes. LIKE MERLE HAGGARD'S SONG: I WISH A BUCK WAS STILL SILVER. WHY ISN'T HE JUST MAKING AUTHENTIC SILVER LIBERTY DOLLARS, AND ONLY LEAVING IT THAT? > Lots of ways I see a clever con artist can fleece the flock here. His artwork looks nice. YEAH; THE LADY LIBERTY ARTWORK LOOKS GOOD. But it's artwork. Today, anyone can print stuff like that, all it takes is a computer and a good printer. YEAH! So, even if he was totally honest, how secure are the certificates themselves against faking? YEAH; HE DOESN'T PRESENT A CONCRETE WAYS AND MEANS OF BACKING UP HIS CURRENCY. I HATE NETWORK MARKETING SCHEMES; SO MANY OF THE GOD DAMNED THINGS OUT THERE, SCREWING PEOPLE ENDLESSLY. And who will take them? You've heard the joke about the hillbilly who sends his kid in to the store for something worth less than a buck. The kid gives the clerk a seven dollar bill, and gets two three dollar bills and some wooden nickels as change. I mean, money is money, it's only worth what someone will give you for it. That means if folks don't recognize the issuing source... it's just fancy printed paper. Now that said, there is a guy who draws his own money. It looks sort of like a US bill, but not close enough to be counterfeit. And since he's an artist, his collectors are willing to pay more than face value for his art works. But as an investment, this doesn't quite look reasonable. You're better off buying bars of silver and gold, I'D LIKE TO INVEST IN SILVER SHEET METAL, OR PLATINUM SHEET METAL, FOR THE HULL OF MY CUSTOM TETRAHEDRAL SPACESHIP, IF RESOURCES WERE NOT SO GOD DAMNED FOREVER FINITE IN THIS PODUNK INDUSTRIAL SLUM OF TULSA OKLAHOMA. WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS SHITTY AND SHTATE NEED TO BORE GIGANTIC HOLES IN ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE WILLIAMS CENTER-BANK OF OKLAHOMA- LONE WORLD TRADE TOWER GOLD SILO BUILDING, IN DOWNSLUM TULSA, AND DEFLATE UNCLE SCROODGE MCFUCK ("MCDUCK"), AND SPREAD THE WEALTH, TO WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS SHITTY AND SHTATE. THE FUCKING OVERTAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION OKLAHOMA FINANCIAL SYSTEMS AND EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS NEED DEFLATION, AND WE THE FINANCIALLY AND EDUCATIONALLY SCREWED PEOPLE OF THIS SHITTY AND SHTATE NEED TO RE-'FLATED'!!!!!! WE NEED TO TAKE OUR SYSTEMS CONTROLS BACK. I'M SICK OF THIS FASCIST FOREVER GO NOWHERE CORPORATE SHTATE. or maybe look at Krugerands. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH KRUGERANDS. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050822/537b851d/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 22 19:09:47 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 22 19:09:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK TO SHARE. In-Reply-To: <20050823010550.51748.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 22, 2005 06:05:49 PM Message-ID: <20050823020947.58849.qmail@mall-net.com> > > YEAH; HE DOESN'T PRESENT A CONCRETE WAYS AND MEANS OF BACKING UP HIS CURRENCY. > > I HATE NETWORK MARKETING SCHEMES; SO MANY OF THE GOD DAMNED THINGS OUT THERE, SCREWING PEOPLE ENDLESSLY. And the numeric tag on the end of the URL is an introduction number so that whoever passed the URL around can get some extra credits. > But as an investment, this doesn't quite look reasonable. You're > better off buying bars of silver and gold, > > I'D LIKE TO INVEST IN SILVER SHEET METAL, OR PLATINUM SHEET METAL, FOR THE HULL OF MY CUSTOM TETRAHEDRAL SPACESHIP, IF RESOURCES WERE NOT SO GOD DAMNED FOREVER FINITE IN THIS PODUNK INDUSTRIAL SLUM OF TULSA OKLAHOMA. Gold and silver are good as an exchange medium. Out in space... I rather suspect the preferred medium will be water and energy in the realm of Venus to past Mars. Beyond that, I don't know how the balance is. > WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS SHITTY AND SHTATE NEED TO BORE GIGANTIC HOLES IN ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE WILLIAMS CENTER-BANK OF OKLAHOMA- LONE WORLD TRADE TOWER GOLD SILO BUILDING, IN DOWNSLUM TULSA, AND DEFLATE UNCLE SCROODGE MCFUCK ("MCDUCK"), AND SPREAD THE WEALTH, TO WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS SHITTY AND SHTATE. I don't think it will work. As the economy of Silicon Valley shows, the more money there is to go around, the more people bid for the the things there isn't enough of. So prices start rising. In other states, people ask for so much for a house, and settle lower and lower as it stays on the market. In California, the buyers make offers higher than the asking price, hoping they will get it. Heck, I've done it trying to get apartments that have waiting lists. > WE NEED TO TAKE OUR SYSTEMS CONTROLS BACK. We are the systems controls. We just don't know what the heck we are doing! > I'M SICK OF THIS FASCIST FOREVER GO NOWHERE CORPORATE SHTATE. A corporation can only make money if people need and want their products; so they have to try to do what the people want. If they want cheap, it comes from China. If they want quality, it comes form Japan. > or maybe look at Krugerands. > > I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH KRUGERANDS. Gold coin from South Africa, back when it was a white racist government. Not just gold, but a gold coin, and sold for, I forget whether it was $75 or $100. Price went up and down with the price of gold, of course. The financial markets talked it up as gold investment in quantities most people could afford, vs having to buy bars and rent vault space. But all of this precious metals investment is only intended as a hedge against catastrophic economic failure. Financial advisors say you shouldn't put more than some ten to twenty percent of your wealth into this, because precious metals do not appreciate very much in stable times; whereas investments in the right stocks or even bonds produce continued returns. More important, the money invested in banks, stocks, and bonds is used to produce more goods, adding to everyone's wealth, not just your own. And in event of real economic chaos, you want that gold in coins in your home, and several people who know how to use guns living with you. We didn't even have real economic chaos in the Great Depression; not like Europe in World War II, where paper money became worthless. Those were the times my parents walked through Europe, doing whatever kind of work they could for a little cash, dodging the Gestapo, etc. There, gold had value... but food had more value! -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 00:01:34 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 00:01:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. In-Reply-To: <90.64476d33.30391a7e@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050823070134.54451.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote: clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWERClyde, I went online to see what and where we could find you this Lotus plant you wish to grow, kill and then smoke. HERE IS A PERFECT WEBSITE, WITH THE TRUE (AUTHENTIC) LOTUS FLOWER; NELUMBO NUCIFERA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelumbo_nucifera THE CENTER SEEDPOD IS SUPPOSEDLY A FRUIT, AND THE ENTIRE PLANT, FLOWER AND ALL, DOWN TO EVEN THE ROOTS, ARE SUPPOSEDLY 100% ENTIRELY EDIBLE. I PURCHASED SEVERAL SEEDS FROM A PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE; GAVE TWO SEEDS AWAY TO A FRIEND, AND KEPT THE OTHER TWO. I OPENED BOTH OF THE SEEDS THAT I KEPT. THE SEEDLINGS WERE REALLY DEHYDRATED INSIDE, AND ONE OF THE TWO SEEDLINGS WAS SO DEHYDRATED, WHEN I OPENED IT, THAT IT IMMEDIATELY BROKE, AND THAT SEEDLING WAS IMMEDIATELY DESTROYED AND RUINED. I SUCCESSFULLY GREW THE OTHER SEEDLING FOR A WHILE, BUT THEN MY BIMBO DUMBASS MOM SCREWED THE PROJECT UP, WHEN SHE DIDN'T GIVE THE PLANT ENOUGH WATER WHILE I HAD TO STAY FOR TWO WEEKS IN A 'HOSPITAL', AND ALLOWED A THUNDERSTORM TO DESTROY THE FRAGILE LEAF OFFSHOOT THAT HAD STARTED TO GROW FROM THE MAIN SEEDLING PART OF THE PLANT. NOW IT IS SO GODDAMNED LATE IN THE SUMMERTIME, THAT MY PLANS ARE ON A SHELF TILL NEXT SUMMER, IF I CAN MAKE IT THROUGH TILL THEN. I WAS SO FRUSTRATED, AND STILL AM. WHY WAIT UNTIL NEXT SUMMER, WHEN THE DOOMED PROJECT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEGUN IN THE MONTH OF MARCH, AND NOT IN LATE JULY? I know the Egyptians were ga-ga over the lotus, THE EGYPTIAN LOTUS ISN'T THE TRUE NELUMBO NUCIFERA OF THE HINDU'S AND THE BUDDHISTS. NYMPHAEAE CERULAEAE, OR HOWEVER THE HELL IT'S SPELLED, IS THE BOTANIST'S NAME FOR THE WATER LILY (MISTAKEN AS LOTUS) OF THE EGYPTIANS. you see it everywhere in the ancient paintings and stone work. YEAH; I SAW SOME PHOTOS ON THE NET, ON A WEBPAGE DESCRIBING THE EGYPTIAN WATERLILY; I THINK THAT WEBSITE IS TITLED: THE I AM SHAMAN SHOP .COM, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. THOSE PHOTOS SHOWED THE ENGRAVING OF THE EGYPTIAN WATERLILY IN THE ANCIENT STONEWORK. I believe you may find lotus symbols as often if not more then the Anuk. .( I know the spelling is wrong but i am too tired to look it up) . About 5 or 6 years ago I watched a gardening show about the lotus of Egypt. There is one place in England that has a blue lotus that is a 2nd. or 3rd. generation of a plant that, as of today, no one on earth really knows if this is the true species of lotus that enraptured the people. And why or how did the plant cause such a sensation ? FROM WHAT I HAVE READ; THE TRUE HINDU AND BUDDHIST NELUMBO LOTUS, WITH THE FRUIT AND SEEDPOD CENTER, WHEN CONSUMED, OR WHEN PORTIONS OF IT ARE SMOKED, SUPPOSEDLY PRODUCE PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS SIMILAR TO MARIJUANA, YET INDUCE CALMING NEUROLOGICAL SEDATIVE EFFECTS AT THE SAME TIME, INSTEAD OF EUPHORIA AND PARANOIA, LIKE MARIJUANA. Let you in on a little secret Clyde, my good friend has a son who bought leaves of a South American plant, a form of Sage plant. It is legal here in New Hampshire----I refuse to tell you the name of this plant as it is still sold in a lot of states and I don't know if it is legal where you are. Anyway, I have known about this plant, the Wicca faith here use it to fly sometimes, and there was interest about growing it in green houses since there was no law against it. This plant is so dangerous that I found sites on the web warning dopers to be ever of careful of this craze inducing drug. I DOES NOT MATTER TO ME. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THAT PLANT, WHATEVER ONE THAT IT IS; UNLESS IT IS THE PAYOTE THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO, BELOW. O.K. the son of my buddy bought some of this from a head shop , went home ,rolled a joint and after smoking, alone, not knowing the effects of the herb, damn near killed his family. Big time nightmare trip for the kid, not to mention his family including the 3 children between the ages of 3 and 7 who he chased about with a knife. This kid is a grown man 23 years old and he experimented with an unknown drug alone, no life guard to pull him out of the effects or make sure he didn't harm himself or others. Clyde, I really think the idea of growing or smoking anything you have no idea of the effects of can put you in the place of not coming down for breakfast. YEAH WELL, I'M STUDYING THE NELUMBO FLOWER, AND HAVE GAINED AN INTEREST IN WHY SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE EASTERN RELIGIONS REVERE IT SO HIGHLY OVER SO MANY OTHER PLANTS, INCLUDING REVERING IT ABOVE MARIJUANA. Also, The American Indians are the only ancient peoples from anywhere on earth that I have heard of smoking anything, and that was tobacco. YEAH, OK. South Americans EAT or CHEW coco leaves, they don't smoke them. Indians ate for religious reasons Payote, PAYOTE CACTUS; I NEED TO LOOK INTO IT MORE INDEPTH. I DO HAVE A MICRO FRACTION OF CHOCTAW INDIAN BLOOD IN ME. I WAS INFORMED THAT I CAN LEGALLY OBTAIN PEYOTE FROM MY INDIAN TRIBE, HERE IN OKLAHOMA. HELL, I COULD PROBABLY JUST GO OUT INTO NATURE, AND FIND IT MYSELF, ON MY OWN, AFTER STUDYING ABOUT IT A BIT. and that was once or twice in a life time. The drugs of South East Asia were for thousands of years, up to today , ingested. It was the British that taught the Chinese to smoke opium. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN OPIUM. Clyde please don't smoke anything. Want to get high, bake Mary Jane Brownies or go 6 weeks without a cigarette and then smoke one, make you buzz like hell. I DON'T SMOKE CIGARETTES ANYWAY. I HAVE WONDERED IF THE TULSA GARDEN CENTER MIGHT POSSIBLY HELP ME TO GROW NELUMBO IN THEIR YEAR ROUND GREENHOUSE, SINCE MY BIMBO DUMB MOM SCREWED MY LOTUS PROJECT UP. We all look forward to your posts, sometimes you make me so mad I could smack you. I'M SO DAMNED MAD ANGRY AT TIMES, I JUST FEEL LIKE BOXING SOMEONE. Then there are times when I nod and to myself knowing just how you feel. Been there done that. I think we all have walked a mile in your shoes at sometime in our lives. Now for the hard part Clyde, we can relate to you---- can you relate to us ???? YES. We have our rants and pains, our problems, can you understand or feel our pain ?? YES. AND I WANT A LIMITLESS 'OVER'DOSE OF ANTI ADDICTIVE PAINKILLERS, WITH THE RIGHT THERAPY; LIKE CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY, FOR MY OWN PRIVATE USAGE, IN MY LAB. Clyde, if you want a friend, you must be a friend. In other words, Clyde, we care about you, do you care about us ????? YES, I DO CARE. BUT I AM NOT AN EXPERT. I HOPE YOU ALL WILL NOT THINK OF ME AS AN EXPERT. MY MAIN INTERESTS LIE IN EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRICAL TECHNOLOGY, ELECTROMECHANICS, BROADCAST AND AMATEUR RADIO ENGINEERING, AND ELECTROACOUSTICS SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, ETC. ANTI-GRAVITY AND ESOTERIC ALTERNATIVE ENERGY EXPERIMENTS ARE ALSO INTERESTS. ANTI-SUFFICIENT-CASHFLOW PREVENTS MANY OF US FROM BEING ALL THAT WE CAN BE; FROM BUILDING OUR LABS INTO WHAT WE CAN ONLY IMAGINE BEYOND OUR WILDEST DREAMS. I'D LIKE TO GET A D.W. (DRUM WORKSHOP) DRUM KIT, AND ADD IT TO MY LAB / STUDIO / STATION / EXPERIMENTAL FACILITY, ETC.... WELL WHERE DOES THE GARGANTUAN MOUNTAINLOAD OF CASHFLOW COME FROM, TO MAKE THAT PROJECT INTO AN ACTUAL REALITY? I DON'T KNOW. FINANCIAL SUCCESS IS FOREVER FLEETING. IS IT THAT WAY FOR ALL OF US??? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WISH I COULD HAVE A CHASTE, HUMBLE, AND SINCERE MENTOR IN MY LIFE, WHO IS FINANCIALLY SUCCESSFUL, WHO COULD TEACH ME THE TRICKS OF THE TRADE, WITHOUT TALKING A LOT OF SHIT, AND WITHOUT BEING OVERLY CRITICAL. Don't ignore me Clyde, I want answers to my questions, WELL, HERE'S MY REPLY. IT TOOK ME SEVERAL DAMNED DAYS TO RESPOND, BECAUSE I HAVE JUST BEEN BOGGED DOWN BY MY JOB, AND HAVE BEEN SO TIRED MOST OF THE TIME, WITH SO MANY E-MAILS TO RESPOND BACK TO, AND I AM SUCH A PERFECTIONIST THAT I MAKE ALL OF THE ATTEMPTS THAT I CAN, TO GET THE SPELLINGS CORRECT IN MY RESPONSES, AND TO GET THE REVISIONS DONE TO THEM AS WELL. you can give them to us, no more one way help, ONE WAY IS THE WAY THAT I HAVE TO GO A LOT OF THE TIME, JUST BECAUSE I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO RESPOND TO EVERY DETAIL ON EVERY E-MAIL, WITH AS MUCH OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE PERFECTIONISTIC EFFORT THAT I PUT INTO MY WORK IN TYPING AND RESPONDING, ETC. IF WHAT I TYPED DIRECTLY ABOVE MAKES SENSE. MY MIND IS GETTING TIRED RIGHT NOW. how about you giving us some of your ideas to help us. Time to listen to our problems and try to give us advise WELL, I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING; AND I AM A MAD *AMATEUR* 'SCIENTIST' OR MAD AMATEUR EXPERIMENTER, OR A MAD AMATEUR ENGINEER, AND NOT A PROFESSIONAL SCIENTIST, AND HAVE NO CARE OR CONCERN ABOUT BECOMING A PROFESSIONAL SCIENTIST, IN LIFE. I CAN HELP OUT WHERE I CAN, BUT I HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN ANY OTHER LISTS OUT THERE ON THE NET. THIS LIST IS WAY TOO FUN, AND COOL! UNLESS YOU ALL CAN SUGGEST OTHER LISTS THAT I COULD JOIN AT THE SAME TIME, TO EXPRESS CERTAIN THOUGHTS ELSEWHERE, INSTEAD OF ONLY HERE AND HERE ALONE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I WANT TO LEAVE THIS LIST. I JUST CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER LISTS THAT WOULD BE OF BENEFIT TO ME IN MY LIFE, OTHER THAN THIS LIST. ----This is what friends do, OK. I hope you will be a friend to us, I'M TRYING. THE PRESCRIPTION DRUG THAT I WAS TAKING BEFORE, WAS MAKING ME VERY BITTER, VERY MISERABLE, AND VERY ANGRY, AND WAS ALSO WEAKENING MY IMMUNE SYSTEM. THE PRESCRIPTION DRUG THAT I AM PRESENTLY TAKING, IS GETTING ME THROUGH, ALTHOUGH IT ISN'T AN ABSOLUTION. CHEMISTRY ONLY OFFERS CHEMICAL CLOAKS. PHYSICS ON THE OTHER HAND, OFFERS ABSOLUTIONS; IN MY CASE; ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT THAT JOHN INTRODUCED TO ME, HOLDS A PROMISING FUTURE FOR MYSELF, IF I CAN GET THE PROJECT TO ITS COMPLETION. I ONLY LACK SOME SILICONE R.T.V., BUT MONEY HAS ME STRAPPED AT THIS TIME, FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE MONTH; ANOTHER PROBLEM; MY PERFECTIONISM GETS IN THE WAY OF MY PROGRESS IN LIFE. BUT I HAVE BECOME A STICKLER FOR QUALITY IN WORKMANSHIP ON THINGS THAT I DO. IN SOME WAYS, IT IS BLESSING, AND IN SOME WAYS, IT IS A CURSE. we are willing to be ,and have been your friend. THANK YOU ALL! (OR FROM THE OKIE WAY OF SAYIN' IT: THANK Y'ALL!!!!) Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." AN INTERESTING SAYING; BUT I HOPE THERE IS ENOUGH HOPE REMAINING IN AMERICA, THAT REALITY DOESN'T COME DOWN TO WHAT YOU'VE GOT IN THIS SAYING. I WANT A HOPEFUL AND PEACEFUL FUTURE. SINCERELY, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/ee4a1bc0/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 00:44:33 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 00:45:02 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: FURTHER REPLY. In-Reply-To: <90.64476d33.30391a7e@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050823074433.37138.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote: clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: How about you giving us some of your ideas to help us. ONE NOVEL SCIENCE PROJECT THAT I'VE CONTEMPLATED, IS AN ANTI-GRAVITY (COUNTERGRAVITY) WATERFOUNTAIN; (FLOWING UPSIDE UP IN AIR, INSTEAD UPSIDE DOWN IN AIR), SOMEHOW USING A COMBINATION OF BOTH WATER AND ACOUSTIC ENERGY, IN SOME FORM AND SORT, OF COMBINATION TOGETHER. I HAVEN'T REALLY PUT A LOT MORE THOUGHT INTO IT THAN THAT. I'VE ALSO THOUGHT OF ELECTRICITY ITSELF, AS BEING A NATURAL FORM OF ANTI-GRAVITY WATER IN SPACETIME. WHAT ARE Y'ALL'S THOUGHT'S REGARDING THAT??? PERHAPS THE SAME CAN BE SAID ABOUT HEAT WAVE ENERGY, HIGH VOLTAGE (LIGHTNING) ELECTRICAL ENERGY, AND ACOUSTIC SONIC SOUND ENERGY, ALL, EQUALLY, TOGETHER. RADIO AND TELEVISION PHASE WAVES POSSESS BOTH INTELLIGENT AND UNINTELLIGENT HEAT WAVE ENERGY, (BOTH ORGANIZED AND CHAOTIC, WHETHER PRODUCED BY MAN, OR BY NATURE.); RADIO AND TELEVISION PHASE WAVES POSSESS BOTH INTELLIGENT AND UNINTELLIGENT HIGH VOLTAGE (MICRO LIGHTNING) ELECTRICAL ENERGY, (BOTH ORGANIZED AND CHAOTIC, WHETHER PRODUCED BY MAN, OR BY NATURE.); RADIO AND TELEVISION PHASE WAVES POSSESS BOTH INTELLIGENT AND UNINTELLIGENT ACOUSTIC SONIC SOUND ENERGY, (BOTH ORGANIZED AND CHAOTIC, WHETHER PRODUCED BY MAN, OR BY NATURE.). Time to listen to our problems and try to give us advise. OK; IF I HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE OF HELP, I WILL TRY. ----This is what friends do, OK. Regards Vesta SINCERELY, CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/7b2c8d2f/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 23 00:48:36 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 23 00:48:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050823070134.54451.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 23, 2005 12:01:34 AM Message-ID: <20050823074836.65702.qmail@mall-net.com> >> O.K. the son of my buddy bought some of this from a head shop >, went home ,rolled a joint and after smoking, alone, not knowing the >effects of the herb, damn near killed his family. Big time nightmare >trip for the kid, not to mention his family including the 3 children >between the ages of 3 and 7 who he chased about with a knife. This kid >is a grown man 23 years old and he experimented with an unknown drug >alone, no life guard to pull him out of the effects or make sure he >didn't harm himself or others. > Clyde, I really think the idea of growing or smoking anything you > have no idea of the effects of can put you in the place of not coming > down for breakfast. What Vesta is saying, is that it is not always clear what the reactions will be. they may be mild, or they may, due to some quirks in your particular biochemistry, be very bad. Like what I read about LSD; some people are ok with it, others start having flashbacks. And some, just go crazy and never come back! You say that marijuana started some of your troubles. That may be a warning that your particular biochemistry does not do very well with strange chemicals. Isaac Asimov said something to this effect as well in one of his science pieces discussing psychoactives. They put a stress on the chemistry, and in some people, it just breaks! And then they are permanently crazy, delusional, etc. > We all look forward to your posts, sometimes you make me so mad I could smack you. > > I'M SO DAMNED MAD ANGRY AT TIMES, I JUST FEEL LIKE BOXING SOMEONE. > > Then there are times when I nod and to myself knowing just how you > feel. Been there done that. I think we all have walked a mile in your > shoes at sometime in our lives. > > Now for the hard part Clyde, we can relate to you---- > > can you relate to us ???? > > YES. > > We have our rants and pains, our problems, can you understand or feel our pain ?? > > YES. > AND I WANT A LIMITLESS 'OVER'DOSE OF ANTI ADDICTIVE PAINKILLERS, WITH > THE RIGHT THERAPY; LIKE CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE > TECHNOLOGY, FOR MY OWN PRIVATE USAGE, IN MY LAB. Yes, but we don't do that. We don't react quite as you do. We've learned that life is what we make of it. And so, we go make of it as much as we can. > Clyde, if you want a friend, you must be a friend. In other words, > Clyde, we care about you, do you care about us ????? > > YES, I DO CARE. > BUT I AM NOT AN EXPERT. I think what Vesta is saying, is that we care very much about you, and we don't want you to get hurt. We feel your pain; but if you go off on high risk things... we are afraid you are going to get hurt. And some of us who know something about medicine... well, our fears are even higher because we have some sense as to how far out on the limb you already are. We hope that you can crawl back a little to where the limb is stronger and more stable. That's both emotionally and biochemically. In all these religious ceremonies where psychoactive plants are used, there are priests and guides to make sure the taker is guided through his or her experience to a good end. The other thing is, most of the psychedelic drugs have long term effects, damage, resulting in solid color backgrounds without detail developing rolling subtle colors. The brain can no longer hold itself well. There is damage. How much damage depends upon how much use. And if it is true with color, it might well be true in other areas, where concepts start drifting smearing. Some of the guys I met at work who had used LSD, though they did have some ability, were kind of dull and slow, plodding, almost as if they weren't all there. Fundamentally, in order to have a psychedelic experience, one has to screw with some rather important brain parameters. And when one does this... what does one trust? The perceptions are screwy, the logic is blown... how does one know how to act, what to do? So yes, maybe some of the people have all kinds of old feelings rise, and they go nuts running around with a knife or a gun till someone shoots them dead, or locks them away in a mental hospital for the safety of the rest of society. I mean, you are already angry. So it may not take much to make you act in ways that are not in your long term best interests. Your brain, don't leave home without it! We care, Clyde; we care very much!!! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 01:04:54 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 01:05:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] GOING BANANAS. In-Reply-To: <20050823003224.83376.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050823080454.4280.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> > YES!!! Tryptophan is important in maintaining a healthy attitude > toward life. MAYBE I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF TRYPTOPHAN??? Clyde, I think some of your problems may be > seratonin/dopamine imbalance. (I'm not a doctor! This is only an > educated guess.) > > ACTUALLY IT IS AN ENTIRE SABOTAGED NEURAL BALANCE THAT I SUFFER FROM. We don't know the details. THE DETAILS: NEUROSIS IN SOCIAL SITUATIONS, CAUSED BY THE SEXUAL ABUSE IN MY YOUTH. PSYCHOSIS, FROM EXPERIMENTATION WITH MARIJUANA WITH HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS. INSOMNIA FROM EXPERIMENTATION WITH METH WITH HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS, IN COMBINATION WITH ABOVE NAMED TWO. > But you also need to balance that with magnesium. Too much > potassium will drain the body's magnesium reserves, and peristalsis, > the wave of contractions in your gut, will fail if there is not enough > magnesium. Most Americans are low on magnesium. (You get magnesium by > eating green veggies. Some also enters the skin if you soak in a hot > bath of epsom salts.) > I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT MAGNESIUM HELPS ONE TO GO TO SLEEP, WHEN IT IS TAKEN IN THE RIGHT QUANTITY. It can have a relaxing effect. Too much however, and you get the trots. CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THE TROTS? I LOOKED IN THE WEBSTERS DICTIONARY, BUT IT WASN'T OF TREMENDOUS HELP IN AFFILIATION WITH MAGNESIUM AND SLEEP, UNLESS WHAT YOU MEANT, IS THAT SLEEP AND WAKING CYCLES BECOME WAY TOO FREQUENT, AND NOT FUN AT ALL; OR DOES IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HYPERACTIVITY AT ALL??? CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/e8adc76c/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 06:07:36 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 06:07:45 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Tulsa is a prison. Message-ID: <20050823130737.28150.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Tulsa is a prison, of the damned. And so is Oklahoma as well. Clyde __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/21629bad/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 07:05:06 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 07:05:27 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050823074836.65702.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050823140507.94610.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > Clyde, I really think the idea of growing or smoking anything you > have no idea of the effects of can put you in the place of not coming > down for breakfast. What Vesta is saying, is that it is not always clear what the reactions will be. they may be mild, or they may, due to some quirks in your particular biochemistry, be very bad. I KNOW WHAT HE'S SAYING. BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT I AM SUFFERING A LOT OF PSYCHOLOGICAL AND NEURAL('OGICAL') PAIN AS WELL; AND I WANT A PEACEFUL, PERMANENT ABSOLUTION FOR BOTH OF THEM. Like what I read about LSD; some people are ok with it, others start having flashbacks. And some, just go crazy and never come back! FUCK L.S.D. You say that marijuana started some of your troubles. That may be a warning that your particular biochemistry does not do very well with strange chemicals. Isaac Asimov said something to this effect as well in one of his science pieces discussing psychoactives. They put a stress on the chemistry, and in some people, it just breaks! And then they are permanently crazy, delusional, etc. WELL; I'VE LOST MY MIND NOW. DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFULLY IN LIFE; ESPECIALLY IN THIS INDUSTRY WASTELAND AND SLUM AND INDUSTRIAL SLUMBURB, OF TULSA, WHERE I LIVE. I WAS TOLD THAT I NEED A CHANGE OF SCENERY. WELL I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THAT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN WITHOUT FINANCIAL RESOURCES BEING IN AMPLE SUPPLY, AND TO FURTHER EDUCATION ALONG A LOT FURTHER, ETC.... > We all look forward to your posts, sometimes you make me so mad I could smack you. > I'M SO DAMNED MAD ANGRY AT TIMES, I JUST FEEL LIKE BOXING SOMEONE. > YES. > AND I WANT A LIMITLESS 'OVER'DOSE OF *ANTI*ADDICTIVE PAINKILLERS, WITH THE RIGHT THERAPY; LIKE CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY, FOR MY OWN PRIVATE USAGE, IN MY LAB. Yes, but we don't do that. We don't react quite as you do. We've learned that life is what we make of it. And so, we go make of it as much as we can. LIFE CERTAINLY ISN'T WHAT I MAKE OF IT; IT NEVER HAS BEEN. > Clyde, if you want a friend, you must be a friend. In other words, > Clyde, we care about you, do you care about us ????? > YES, I DO CARE. > BUT I AM NOT AN EXPERT. I think what Vesta is saying, is that we care very much about you, and we don't want you to get hurt. We feel your pain; but if you go off on high risk things... we are afraid you are going to get hurt. And some of us who know something about medicine... well, our fears are even higher because we have some sense as to how far out on the limb you already are. We hope that you can crawl back a little to where the limb is stronger and more stable. That's both emotionally and biochemically. WELL YEAH; OK. BUT MAYBE I JUST MIGHT AS WELL START DIGGING MY OWN GRAVE. In all these religious ceremonies where psychoactive plants are used, there are priests and guides to make sure the taker is guided through his or her experience to a good end. I GUESS THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE BUDDHIST'S AND HINDU'S WHO INGEST THE NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWER FOR ITS PSYCHOACTIVE PROPERTIES, AND ITS NEURAL SEDATIVE PROPERTIES. The other thing is, most of the psychedelic drugs have long term effects, damage, resulting in solid color backgrounds without detail developing rolling subtle colors. The brain can no longer hold itself well. There is damage. How much damage depends upon how much use. And if it is true with color, it might well be true in other areas, where concepts start drifting smearing. Some of the guys I met at work who had used LSD, though they did have some ability, were kind of dull and slow, plodding, almost as if they weren't all there. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT PSYCHEDELIC DRUGS. I NEED LASTING PEACE IN MY LIFE. THAT IS WHAT I NEED MOST OF ALL! Fundamentally, in order to have a psychedelic experience, one has to screw with some rather important brain parameters. And when one does this... what does one trust? The perceptions are screwy, the logic is blown... how does one know how to act, what to do? So yes, maybe some of the people have all kinds of old feelings rise, and they go nuts running around with a knife or a gun till someone shoots them dead, or locks them away in a YOU FORGOT TO SPELL MENTAL HOSPITAL, WITH THE WORD ENVIRON BEFORE IT: mental hospital for the safety of the rest of society. ENVIRONMENTAL SO-CALLED HOSPITALS. THE ENVIRONMENTAL INFUCKTUTIONS. THE ENVIRON-MENTAL TORTURE, PSEUDO HOSPITALS. CHIROPRACTIC CARE HAS BEEN OF THE MOST BENEFIT TO ME, SO FAR, WITH THE INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY. I mean, you are already angry. So it may not take much to make you act in ways that are not in your long term best interests. Your brain, don't leave home without it! We care, Clyde; we care very much!!! For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. THERE IS A LOCAL LADY NUTRICIANIST DOCTOR, WHO MY CHIROPRACTOR INFORMED ME OF. WOULD SHE BE UNDER THE CATEGORY AND TITLE OF AN ORTHOMOLECULAR DOCTOR? OR IS THERE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN SOMEONE BEING A NUTRICIANIST, AND SOMEONE BEING AN ORTHOMOLECULAR DOCTOR? Today's Art Photo I ACCIDENTALLY SCREWED UP THE LINK HERE ABOVE, TO THE ART PHOTO OF THE DAY, WHEN I BACKED THE CURSER UP TOO FAR, AND THE LINK TO THE WEBPAGE WAS NO MORE. Chem / Fungus allergies I PROBABLY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF CHEMICAL ALLERGIC REACTIONS THAT ARE EVIDENT INTERNALLY, THAT THE PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN IS NEGLIGENT ON CHECKING, AND THAT THE PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN IS NEGLIGENT ON INFORMING ME OF AND ABOUT. THERE WERE CHEMICAL REACTIONS (ALLERGIES?) THAT WERE EVIDENT, AND THAT I COULD FEEL, WHEN I WAS TAKING OLANZAPINE; OLANZAPINE WEAKED MY IMMUNE SYSTEM. OLANZAPINE IS NO GOOD. AND CLONAZAPAM EFFECTS MY CARDIOLOGY NEGATIVELY, WHEN I DO NOT TAKE IT. MAYBE THE CLONAZAPAM HAS GIVEN ME PERMANENENT IRREVERSIBLE BIOLOGICAL DAMAGE; AND THE CLONADINE TOO, AND THE VALPROIC ACID TOO, AND THE TRAZADONE AS WELL. I NEED LASTING PEACE; TO HELL WITH ALL OF THE CEASELESS SENSELESS CHEMICAL PHARMAPSEUDO HORSESHIT. Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. DR. CATHCART IS COOL. I STILL HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO AFFORD COPIES OF THE BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS CHARTS, THAT ARE PRODUCED BY ROCHE APPLIED SCIENCE LABORATORIES, THOUGH. POVERTY IS HIGH, HERE IN OKLAHOMA, AND I GUESS I'M DOOMED TO SINK EVEN FURTHER INTO THAT CATEGORY, ESPECIALLY IF I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO REMAIN HERE, IN THIS SHITHOLE STATE. THE (INDUSTRIAL) SLUM OF TULSA IS NO GOOD. BUT LIVING BLINDLY; HOW WILL I FIND PEACE, HAPPINESS, AND LIFE SUPPORT, IN COLORADO, ON MY OWN, WITH MINIMAL TO ZERO HELP FROM OTHERS, AS IT IS IN MY LIFE AT THIS TIME? LIKE A FRIEND OF MINE SAID: MOST PEOPLE HERE IN TULSA ARE ALWAYS ANGRY, AND ARE ALWAYS FED UP WITH THINGS. SOUNDS A LOT LIKE ME TOO. THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM IS SHIT, AND THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM IS A CORRUPT, AND NEARLY TOTALITARIAN EVIL DICTATORSHIP, IN THIS PODUNK INDUSTRIAL SHITHOLE. Arthritis I DON'T HAVE ARTHRITIS. AT LEAST, NOT THAT I CAN TELL. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/3a4b8558/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 10:20:05 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 10:20:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE ART PHOTO OF TODAY. In-Reply-To: <20050823074836.65702.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050823172005.28868.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo IS THE ART PHOTO AT THE ABOVE WEBLINK, A PICTURE OF THE TERRITORY WHERE YOU LIVE? IT DOES LOOK NICE, IN THAT PHOTO! BUT IS IT SMOG IN THE VALLEY, OR JUST STANDARD CLOUDS ONLY? Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20050823080454.4280.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 23, 2005 01:04:54 AM Message-ID: <20050823185547.25032.qmail@mall-net.com> > > YES!!! Tryptophan is important in maintaining a healthy attitude > > toward life. > > MAYBE I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF TRYPTOPHAN??? Well, niacin and tryptophan are synergistic, so if you have trouble with one... you might not do all that well with the other... but I kind of think your problem with niacin may have beendrug interaction based. > We don't know the details. > > THE DETAILS: > > NEUROSIS IN SOCIAL SITUATIONS, CAUSED BY THE SEXUAL ABUSE IN MY YOUTH. > > PSYCHOSIS, FROM EXPERIMENTATION WITH MARIJUANA WITH HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS. > INSOMNIA FROM EXPERIMENTATION WITH METH WITH HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS, IN COMBINATION WITH ABOVE NAMED TWO. Hmmm... those are all psychological diagnoses, with ZERO biochemical diagnoses! A healthy Brain (as opposed to mind) can often (not always) throw off some of this without becoming locked in to the kind of pessimism you seem to be locked in to. Now, I'm not a doctor, not a psychiatrist, so I can't give you other than life style And what pharmaceuticals did they prescribe for the above, and which are you taking? Something just came up.... be back tonight. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 12:23:08 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 12:23:17 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The United States And Our Allies. Message-ID: <20050823192308.80857.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> The United States and our allies need rejuvenation technologies mass produced, with World War II war machine speed, for the benefit of everyone equally. Clyde Lofton __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/863cb84d/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 23 12:25:06 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 23 12:25:09 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE ART PHOTO OF TODAY. In-Reply-To: <20050823172005.28868.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 23, 2005 10:20:05 AM Message-ID: <20050823192506.43016.qmail@mall-net.com> > > IS THE ART PHOTO AT THE ABOVE WEBLINK, A PICTURE OF THE TERRITORY WHERE YOU LIVE? Yes > > IT DOES LOOK NICE, IN THAT PHOTO! > > BUT IS IT SMOG IN THE VALLEY, OR JUST STANDARD CLOUDS ONLY? Depends on whch photo. The smog gets rather bad. Am on phone now, so can't write. > > Chem / Fungus allergies > Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. > Arthritis > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > --0-1753321274-1124817605=:27665 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >

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> Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > --0-1753321274-1124817605=:27665-- > > --===============2098297317== > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > --===============2098297317==-- > From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 12:42:20 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 12:42:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Globalism. Message-ID: <20050823194220.69266.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Fuck the attempts of the Financial Industrial Komplex, the Pharmacology Industrial Komplex, the Military Industrial Komplex, and the Energy Industrial Komplexes, from their attempts at totalitarian dictatorship over America, and over the entire globe. Fuck Globalism! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/0606a8f5/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 23 14:22:34 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 23 14:22:39 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE ART PHOTO OF TODAY. In-Reply-To: <20050823172005.28868.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 23, 2005 10:20:05 AM Message-ID: <20050823212234.5063.qmail@mall-net.com> > IS THE ART PHOTO AT THE ABOVE WEBLINK, A PICTURE OF THE TERRITORY WHERE YOU LIVE? Fog Flood V alley is from across the street where I am. That is low clouds / morning fog in the Coyote Valley. > IT DOES LOOK NICE, IN THAT PHOTO! > > BUT IS IT SMOG IN THE VALLEY, OR JUST STANDARD CLOUDS ONLY? there is usually a layer of smog both at the top of the clouds, and another often below them. the temperature inversion which leads to such clouds keeps the smog down there. It does overflow the ridge at times, and I don't do very well when it comes, I usually end up taking a nap at that time because I am not very energetic, cogent, etc. But it clears when the winds blow the other way, and then I feel good again.. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Aug 23 15:26:10 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Aug 23 15:26:17 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] truly Mad! Message-ID: <006c01c5a831$aaa91a00$6601a8c0@mikey> http://www.theonion.com/2056-06-22/ From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 20:33:27 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 20:33:36 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] truly Mad! In-Reply-To: <006c01c5a831$aaa91a00$6601a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050824033327.3724.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Michael Best < mbest@triad.rr.com > wrote: http://www.theonion.com/2056-06-22/ A VERY MAD WEBSITE! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/7b612f00/attachment.html From texastjs at swbell.net Tue Aug 23 20:36:51 2005 From: texastjs at swbell.net (L.R. McGuire-Smith) Date: Tue Aug 23 20:37:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE:Several things In-Reply-To: <20050817190002.3776E3982A@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: I was excited to see the mention of geodome living, striving to succeed and mad cow type scrapie in cats. I have two cats, really just one but her "baby" is visiting our home right now with my daughter, who is visiting as well. I read where a copper deficiency may be an instigating factor in human forms of mad cow, maybe supplement with Copper for your cats? Maybe worth a try-who knows? Find out what the upper limit dose for cats is, and give it a try, it is very, very sad to have to keep putting ones beloved pets down-I'm so sorry! About domes and Bucky Fuller, I wrote and entered the International Space Elevator Competition with a story about Nanotechnology carbon filaments, ala, the Space Elevator, didn't win-hoped to, but didn't. Anyway, I was excited by the concepts and the contest. About the challenges several of us face, health, financial, personal, etc.,-keep on truckin'! Follow your interests and you will be absorbed and you will succeed. That success may be a small victory by the world's standards, but aren't you in it for the love of it? That's all the satisfaction anyone can ask for. IMHO! Lisa R. Smith -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:00 PM To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 42 Send Mad-Scientists mailing list submissions to mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG You can reach the person managing the list at mad-scientists-owner@Mad-Scientists.ORG When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mad-Scientists digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: NO REPLY. (javilk@mall-net.com) 2. Re: Etc., again (Vesta111@aol.com) 3. Re: Mad Cat disease? (javilk@mall-net.com) 4. WOW! (Michael Best) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:46:45 +0000 (GMT) From: javilk@mall-net.com Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Re: NO REPLY. To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <20050817064645.60834.qmail@mall-net.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am not always at the computer. I have a bunch of projects that I'm not getting done too! Today, Barry didn't bring the water truck till late. My laundry was delayed. I did some work on my solar system as the place cooled in the evening. I also called a bunch of people trying to get them to rent to me, and worked on my rental tracking system, etc. And still did nothing about the real Mad Scientist projects that I want to do to prove to the world that... well... You know, I don't really know what I want to prove to the world. I just want to prove to MYSELF that I was right in some ideas about physics and chemistry, or if not right, figure out how to do them anyway! If they make a profit, as I think they should, then good. But like any mad scientist, I WANT TO KNOW!!! And the only way I know of finding out, is to do the experiments. Which means a lot of construction work that hasn't taken place in years because of all kinds of other crap going on in my life. But that's life. I invented the web browser in 1982, Clyde. I couldn't sell it for the life of me! I developed word processing utilities n 1978 which I could not sell successfully, I had the vision of what we now call Ethernet, but didn't have the knowledge of how to build it. In fact, I devised the basic signal collision system that is the essence of Ethernet back in 1978. I wanted to start a search engine in 1996, but didn't know how till 1998, when tinkering with that lead to another business that I ran from 1998 to 9/11/2001, when the economy fell apart, killing some of my clients and resources. I was trying to start an on-line auction system in 1995, did start some chat page communities which didn't take off like some of the big ones, etc. etc. etc. etc.. I invented a bunch of other things that I just could not get anyone to buy. That's just life. Each time we try, we learn more. The only failure, is the person who stops trying. The game of life is not over. Till it's over, you don't know if you are going to be a winner, or a loser! They say that the first two companies you start will not do well. Yep. I've started several small companies, and they just kind of staggered around making barely enough for me to live. But I learned! And it beat the heck out of working non-stop for some company that I didn't own. Unfortunately, my priority now has to be finding a place I can move to. I've negotiated an intersting place; but the road is too steep. So I'm back on the market looking for another place here in the mountains. But you know, Clyde, any day you wake up breathing is a great day! As I joke with my father regarding my predicament here on the mountain, "But no one is shooting at me!" So life is a hell of a lot better for me, than what my father went through in WW-II in Europe. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 03:06:09 EDT From: Vesta111@aol.com Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Etc., again To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <13d.197422b7.30343be1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In a message dated 8/13/2005 9:27:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: WELDED-ONE-PIECE-FRAMED MICRO TETRA-GEODESIC DOMES, BUILT LIKE TANKS, REQUIRING AS MINIMAL MAINTENANCE AS POSSIBLE, ARE A DREAM; THOUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW TO IT PULL OFF, INTO THE MAKING IT INTO A TRUE REALITY. Clyde, how surprising !!!! As different as we too people can be, we share the same dream. Buckminister Fuller was awesome. I have thought of placing a dome in the ground, perhaps 10 feet to 20 feet down, energy savings, you could live 50 feet from a busy airport and have complete silence. Lousy view but everything has a down side. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050817/710e 8d22/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:14:20 +0000 (GMT) From: javilk@mall-net.com Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad Cat disease? To: mbest@triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Cc: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <20050817071420.73328.qmail@mall-net.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Not enough goats in the USA to eat the cow residue! Its made into = > > > dog food and cat food. =20 > > Yep! And those nasty prions then get into my kitties! This would = > explain > why I've seen several die this past 18 months from a mysterious disease = > with > symptomology resembling scrapie and/or BSE. Their vet had no idea what = ... > Just ask Hitler, Stalin, or Mao. Mike, those three evil people did so much worse than anything you've said or encountered! They willingly sacrificed significant portions of their populations, putting living human beings into slave camps where they were tortured, malnourished, and murdered. What agribusiness does here is not deliberate evil, and certainly not on the scale of Mao or Stalin! Hitler was just a piker who was stupid enough to pick on a rather vocal people. You don't hear that over half of the people in work/death camps were NOT Jewish, because the other groups were not as vocal, educated, or determined. What some of us smarter folks see happening is caused by a lot of beliefs which are self serving and erroneous; but not the kind of deliberate evils which those three did. (You can add Phol Pot to that list.) Come on, Mike, you're the one who's supposedly big on realism. Look at the comparative scale of things. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:01:54 -0400 From: "Michael Best" Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WOW! To: Message-ID: <010f01c5a344$fd5fba20$6501a8c0@mikey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have no idea what to think of this yet; I haven't the time right now to check the links. But it seems like it needs to be posted here! http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/?tesla?/glitesla.html -MB ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 42 ********************************************** From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 22:04:08 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 22:04:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] VESTA. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050824050409.31365.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> I APOLOGIZE, VESTA, FOR NOT REPLYING SOONER: In a message dated 8/13/2005 9:27:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: WELDED-ONE-PIECE-FRAMED MICRO TETRA-GEODESIC DOMES, BUILT LIKE TANKS, REQUIRING AS MINIMAL MAINTENANCE AS POSSIBLE, ARE A DREAM; THOUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW TO IT PULL OFF, INTO THE MAKING IT INTO A TRUE REALITY. Clyde, how surprising !!!! As different as we too people can be, we share the same dream. YEAH; A WELDED ONE PIECE METAL DOME HOME, AND PERHAPS A SIDE SCIENCE / WORK LAB TOO, BUILT WITH TANK STRENGTH, AGAINST TORNADO AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS, PREFERABLY MADE OF BRONZE, BUT THE COSTS OF THAT WOULDN'T BE PRACTICAL AT ALL, AND SO ALUMINUM WOULD SUFFICE. Buckminister Fuller was awesome. I AGREE! I PICTURE MY TETRA-GEODOME WITH AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT BEACON LIGHT, CENTERED PERFECTLY ON THE TOP OF IT, ON A SMALL TOWER, AT DIRECT CENTER. TEMCOR IS THE DAMN BEST GEODESIC DOME FABRICATOR THAT I KNOW OF, FROM MY RESEARCH: http://www.temcor.com/ AND FLASH TECHNOLOGY HAS THE WORLD'S BEST RADIO TOWER BEACONS, PRESENTLY IN EXISTANCE; (THE ON/OFF TIME CONSTANTS ARE VERY COOL, WITH WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR TOWER BEACON LAMP FLASHERS): http://www.flashtechnology.com/ I have thought of placing a dome in the ground, perhaps 10 feet to 20 feet down, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PLACING THE DOME DOWN 20 FEET INTO THE GROUND, BUT 5 TO 10 FEET MIGHT BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. I'D WANT MY DOME TO HAVE A PERFECT ANCHORMENT TO THE EARTH, FOR MAXIMUM RESITANCE TO THE WEARING AND TEARING, OF BOTH THE ELEMENTS, AND MAXIMUM RESITANCE TO TIME ITSELF. energy savings, YEAH; ENERGY SAVINGS FROM A GEODOME, ARE AWESOME, COMPARED TO LIVING IN CHEAP TOOTHPICK STICK FRAMED, CHEAP BRICK COATED, SHITROCK INFERIOR INTERIOR COATED, MIDDLE CLASS CRAP FASCIST FABRICATED BOXES. you could live 50 feet from a busy airport and have complete silence. Lousy view but everything has a down side. SORRY I DIDN'T ORIGINALLY REPLY BACK, TO THIS E-MAIL. I'VE HAD SO MANY PILED UP E-MAILS, THAT I FORGOT ABOUT THE EXISTANCE OF THIS ONE, TO REPLY BACK, IN THE PAST, AND I HAD TO GO TO THE 'HOSPITAL' FOR TWO WEEKS, AND HAVE ALSO BEEN REALLY TIRED FROM SO MUCH WORK. Regards Vesta SINCERELY, CLYDE No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 42 ********************************************** _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/0daeadb7/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 22:45:13 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 22:45:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE:Several things In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050824054514.27425.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> "L.R. McGuire-Smith" wrote: I was excited to see the mention of geodome living, striving to succeed and mad cow type scrapie in cats. I have two cats, really just one but her "baby" is visiting our home right now with my daughter, who is visiting as well. I read where a copper deficiency I'VE HEARD THAT COPPER IS DEADLY, IF INGESTED. may be an instigating factor in human forms of mad cow, maybe supplement with Copper for your cats? Maybe worth a try-who knows? Find out what the upper limit dose for cats is, and give it a try, it is very, very sad to have to keep putting ones beloved pets down-I'm so sorry! About domes and Bucky Fuller, BUCKMINSTER FULLER WAS VERY COOL, LIKE NIKOLA TESLA, PHILO FARNSWORTH, AND MICHAEL FARADAY. LIKE VESTA, I WANT TO BUILD MY OWN GEODOME. I wrote and entered the International Space Elevator Competition I JUST WANT TO BUILD MY OWN PRIVATE, SMALL SCALE SPACESHIP, GO INTO LOW EARTH ORBIT AT BEST, AND INGEST A SUFFICIENT DOSE OF CYANIDE OR ARSENIC, TO MAKE DEATH QUICK AND SIMPLE. GRAVITY WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE ME BACK DOWN TO THIS HELL HOLE DISEASE WORLD OF PLANET EARTH THOUGH, BUT WHAT THE HELL; CAUSE I'D BE DEAD, BUT WOULD ENJOY MY LAST MOMENTS OF LIFE, WITH A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF THE SOME OF THE BEAUTY THAT THIS PLANET HOLDS, OBSERVING THE EARTH FROM THE OUTSIDE, INSTEAD OF FROM THE ENDLESS INSANE INSIDE. with a story about Nanotechnology I'VE WONDERED IF HIGH VOLTAGE NANOPROBES EXIST??? ARE THERE SUCH??? carbon filaments, ala, the Space Elevator, didn't win-hoped to, but didn't. Anyway, I was excited by the concepts and the contest. About the challenges several of us face, health, financial, personal, etc.,-keep on truckin'! YEAH; I'M A SURVIVOR, BARELY SURVIVING. HEALTH, WEALTH, AND PERSONAL PROBLEMS ALWAYS INTERFERE WITH PROGRESS. Follow your interests and you will be absorbed and you will succeed. 1. ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT. 2. GROWING NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWERS, FOR CONSUMPTION. 3. FINALLY SOMEDAY, BUYING MY OWN CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE, FOR PRIVATE LAB USE / BUILDING MY OWN MICRO HOSPITAL. 4. A TALKING CLOCK PROJECT, SYNCHRONIZABLE TO THE G.P.S., FOR AID TO BLIND FOLKS, BROADCASTERS, AND TO RADIO AMATEUR REPEATER OWNERS; MAINLY FOR USE WITH LOW POWER BROADCAST TRANSLATORS, FOR CONSTANT 24/7 TIME, TEMPERATURE, AND WEATHER REPORTING; ENTIRELY 100% AUTOMATED; MAYBE EVEN USEFUL TO AIRCRAFT AS WELL, FOR BOTH NAVIGATION AND INFORMATION; I DON'T KNOW. That success may be a small victory by the world's standards, but aren't you in it for the love of it? DAMN STRAIGHT! That's all the satisfaction anyone can ask for. IMHO! I'LL PROBABLY NEVER MAKE IT TO FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE AND SUCCESS THOUGH. MAYBE I NEED TO GO SEE WHAT BUSINESS SCHOOLS TEACH, AND SEE IF THEY ALSO CHURN OUT ENDLESS FAILURES, AS THE MODERN FASCIST COMMUNIST PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL SHITSTEM DOES. DOES THE FINANCIAL INTRA-FUCTURE CONTROL PUBLIC EDUCATION TOO??? THEY'RE IN BED TOGETHER WITH THE ENERGY INTRA-FUCKTURE, THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA, AND THE PHARMACOLOGY INTRA-FUCKTURES. Lisa R. Smith CLYDE End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 42 ********************************************** _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/3b90c684/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 23 23:18:31 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 23 23:18:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE:Several things In-Reply-To: <20050824054514.27425.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 23, 2005 10:45:13 PM Message-ID: <20050824061831.45043.qmail@mall-net.com> > "L.R. McGuire-Smith" wrote: > I was excited to see the mention of geodome living, striving to succeed and > mad cow type scrapie in cats. I have two cats, really just one but her > "baby" is visiting our home right now with my daughter, who is visiting as > well. I read where a copper deficiency > > I'VE HEARD THAT COPPER IS DEADLY, IF INGESTED. I was getting small, pencil dot sized pellets of pure electrodeposited ccopper as supplements back in the mid to late 80's. I didn't seem to notice any rigor mortis... And we use to have real copper water pipes for a long, long time. So I doubt there's a proble with copper if you don't take too much. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 09:42:15 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Aug 24 09:42:22 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK. Message-ID: <20050824164215.37404.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> WEBLINK: http://www.t-shirthumor.com/Merchant2/products/chen.html?Category_Code=newr --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/1107ac20/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 11:30:34 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Aug 24 11:30:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS. Message-ID: <20050824183034.25755.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES, NEED ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS MADE. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/b12058d4/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Aug 24 12:49:11 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Aug 24 12:49:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Essential micronutrients Message-ID: <00c501c5a8e4$e6a43c20$6601a8c0@mikey> Copper, chromium, zinc, and a host of other "poisons," even arsenic, are essential micronutrients. 150 milligrams of arsenic will kill a full-grown man, but without a few nanograms of arsenic in our bodies, our neurological systems would not function, and we would be just as dead. The dose defines the toxin. Some chemicals, like water, are only toxic in extremely high doses- several gallons for water, but everything is toxic in a large enough dose. A handful of table salt will kill. The term "poison" usually refers to a substance that is toxic in small quantities. Most drugs are toxic, but as a rule of thumb, the toxic dose (LDlo, or the lowest dose that causes mortality for any individual) is at least twice the therapeutically effective dose. For most drugs, this ratio is much, much larger. But the dose makes the poison. -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Aug 24 13:26:28 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Aug 24 13:26:46 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS. In-Reply-To: <20050824183034.25755.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 24, 2005 11:30:34 AM Message-ID: <20050824202628.63881.qmail@mall-net.com> > THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES, NEED ABSOLUTE > HEALTH STANDARDS MADE. I would strongly oppose this, as I had in the past, when Hillary Clinton wanted to create a health care plan with mandatory treatments defined by a committee. No alternative medicine, no freedom of choice, etc. That is where absolute standards go. That means, YOU could be treated against your will, as well as blocked from having alternative treatments, such as non-pharmaceutical nutritional treatments. Freedom is the right to chose what you do, even if it may harm you. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Aug 24 14:24:11 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Aug 24 14:24:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Reactionless propulsion 1 Message-ID: <00ec01c5a8f2$2c2bff00$6601a8c0@mikey> Where I started, but I consider this ion reaction propulsion, not true reactionless propulsion. http://www.fw.hu/bmiklos2000/ From texastjs at swbell.net Wed Aug 24 15:11:50 2005 From: texastjs at swbell.net (Tim) Date: Wed Aug 24 15:13:23 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65 In-Reply-To: <20050824190003.3252C39829@kang.vjc.com> References: <20050824190003.3252C39829@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <430CF0A6.7040108@swbell.net> mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG wrote: >Send Mad-Scientists mailing list submissions to > mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >You can reach the person managing the list at > mad-scientists-owner@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Mad-Scientists digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. VESTA. (clyde lofton) > 2. Re: RE:Several things (clyde lofton) > 3. Re: RE:Several things (javilk@mall-net.com) > 4. WEBLINK. (clyde lofton) > 5. ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS. (clyde lofton) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:04:08 -0700 (PDT) >From: clyde lofton >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] VESTA. >To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List >Message-ID: <20050824050409.31365.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > >I APOLOGIZE, VESTA, FOR NOT REPLYING SOONER: > >In a message dated 8/13/2005 9:27:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: > >WELDED-ONE-PIECE-FRAMED MICRO TETRA-GEODESIC DOMES, BUILT LIKE TANKS, REQUIRING AS MINIMAL MAINTENANCE AS POSSIBLE, ARE A DREAM; THOUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW TO IT PULL OFF, INTO THE MAKING IT INTO A TRUE REALITY. > > >Clyde, how surprising !!!! As different as we too people can be, we >share the same dream. > >YEAH; A WELDED ONE PIECE METAL DOME HOME, AND PERHAPS A SIDE SCIENCE / WORK LAB TOO, BUILT WITH TANK STRENGTH, AGAINST TORNADO AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS, PREFERABLY MADE OF BRONZE, BUT THE COSTS OF THAT WOULDN'T BE PRACTICAL AT ALL, AND SO ALUMINUM WOULD SUFFICE. > > >Buckminister Fuller was awesome. > >I AGREE! > >I PICTURE MY TETRA-GEODOME WITH AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT BEACON LIGHT, CENTERED PERFECTLY ON THE TOP OF IT, ON A SMALL TOWER, AT DIRECT CENTER. > >TEMCOR IS THE DAMN BEST GEODESIC DOME FABRICATOR THAT I KNOW OF, FROM MY RESEARCH: > >http://www.temcor.com/ > >AND FLASH TECHNOLOGY HAS THE WORLD'S BEST RADIO TOWER BEACONS, PRESENTLY IN EXISTANCE; (THE ON/OFF TIME CONSTANTS ARE VERY COOL, WITH WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR TOWER BEACON LAMP FLASHERS): > >http://www.flashtechnology.com/ > >I have thought of placing a dome in the ground, perhaps 10 feet to 20 feet down, > >I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PLACING THE DOME DOWN 20 FEET INTO THE GROUND, BUT 5 TO 10 FEET MIGHT BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. > >I'D WANT MY DOME TO HAVE A PERFECT ANCHORMENT TO THE EARTH, FOR MAXIMUM RESITANCE TO THE WEARING AND TEARING, OF BOTH THE ELEMENTS, AND MAXIMUM RESITANCE TO TIME ITSELF. > >energy savings, > >YEAH; ENERGY SAVINGS FROM A GEODOME, ARE AWESOME, COMPARED TO LIVING IN CHEAP TOOTHPICK STICK FRAMED, CHEAP BRICK COATED, SHITROCK INFERIOR INTERIOR COATED, MIDDLE CLASS CRAP FASCIST FABRICATED BOXES. > >you could live 50 feet from a busy airport and have complete silence. Lousy view but everything has a down side. > >SORRY I DIDN'T ORIGINALLY REPLY BACK, TO THIS E-MAIL. > >I'VE HAD SO MANY PILED UP E-MAILS, THAT I FORGOT ABOUT THE EXISTANCE OF THIS ONE, TO REPLY BACK, IN THE PAST, AND I HAD TO GO TO THE 'HOSPITAL' FOR TWO WEEKS, AND HAVE ALSO BEEN REALLY TIRED FROM SO MUCH WORK. > >Regards Vesta > >SINCERELY, CLYDE > > >No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And >those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." > > >End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 42 >********************************************** > >_______________________________________________ >Mad-Scientists mailing list: >Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/0daeadb7/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:45:13 -0700 (PDT) >From: clyde lofton >Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] RE:Several things >To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List >Message-ID: <20050824054514.27425.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > >"L.R. McGuire-Smith" wrote: >I was excited to see the mention of geodome living, striving to succeed and >mad cow type scrapie in cats. I have two cats, really just one but her >"baby" is visiting our home right now with my daughter, who is visiting as >well. I read where a copper deficiency > >I'VE HEARD THAT COPPER IS DEADLY, IF INGESTED. > >may be an instigating factor in human forms of mad cow, maybe supplement with Copper for your cats? Maybe worth a try-who knows? Find out what the upper limit dose for cats is, and give it a try, it is very, very sad to have to keep putting ones beloved pets down-I'm so sorry! About domes and Bucky Fuller, > >BUCKMINSTER FULLER WAS VERY COOL, LIKE NIKOLA TESLA, PHILO > >FARNSWORTH, AND MICHAEL FARADAY. > >LIKE VESTA, I WANT TO BUILD MY OWN GEODOME. > >I wrote and entered the International Space Elevator Competition > >I JUST WANT TO BUILD MY OWN PRIVATE, SMALL SCALE SPACESHIP, GO INTO LOW EARTH ORBIT AT BEST, AND INGEST A SUFFICIENT DOSE OF CYANIDE OR ARSENIC, TO MAKE DEATH QUICK AND SIMPLE. > >GRAVITY WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE ME BACK DOWN TO THIS HELL HOLE DISEASE WORLD OF PLANET EARTH THOUGH, BUT WHAT THE HELL; CAUSE I'D BE DEAD, BUT WOULD ENJOY MY LAST MOMENTS OF LIFE, WITH A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF THE SOME OF THE BEAUTY THAT THIS PLANET HOLDS, OBSERVING THE EARTH FROM THE OUTSIDE, INSTEAD OF FROM THE ENDLESS INSANE INSIDE. > >with a story about Nanotechnology > >I'VE WONDERED IF HIGH VOLTAGE NANOPROBES EXIST??? > >ARE THERE SUCH??? > > >carbon filaments, ala, the Space Elevator, didn't win-hoped to, but didn't. >Anyway, I was excited by the concepts and the contest. About the challenges >several of us face, health, financial, personal, etc.,-keep on truckin'! > >YEAH; I'M A SURVIVOR, BARELY SURVIVING. > >HEALTH, WEALTH, AND PERSONAL PROBLEMS ALWAYS INTERFERE WITH PROGRESS. > > >Follow your interests and you will be absorbed and you will succeed. > >1. ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT. > >2. GROWING NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWERS, FOR CONSUMPTION. > >3. FINALLY SOMEDAY, BUYING MY OWN CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE, FOR PRIVATE LAB USE / BUILDING MY OWN MICRO HOSPITAL. > >4. A TALKING CLOCK PROJECT, SYNCHRONIZABLE TO THE G.P.S., FOR AID TO BLIND FOLKS, BROADCASTERS, AND TO RADIO AMATEUR REPEATER OWNERS; MAINLY FOR USE WITH LOW POWER BROADCAST TRANSLATORS, FOR CONSTANT 24/7 TIME, TEMPERATURE, AND WEATHER REPORTING; ENTIRELY 100% AUTOMATED; MAYBE EVEN USEFUL TO AIRCRAFT AS WELL, FOR BOTH NAVIGATION AND INFORMATION; I DON'T KNOW. > >That success may be a small victory by the world's standards, but aren't you in >it for the love of it? > >DAMN STRAIGHT! > >That's all the satisfaction anyone can ask for. IMHO! > > >I'LL PROBABLY NEVER MAKE IT TO FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE AND SUCCESS THOUGH. > >MAYBE I NEED TO GO SEE WHAT BUSINESS SCHOOLS TEACH, AND SEE IF THEY ALSO CHURN OUT ENDLESS FAILURES, AS THE MODERN FASCIST COMMUNIST PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL SHITSTEM DOES. > >DOES THE FINANCIAL INTRA-FUCTURE CONTROL PUBLIC EDUCATION TOO??? > >THEY'RE IN BED TOGETHER WITH THE ENERGY INTRA-FUCKTURE, THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA, AND THE PHARMACOLOGY INTRA-FUCKTURES. > >Lisa R. Smith > >CLYDE > > >End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 42 >********************************************** > >_______________________________________________ >Mad-Scientists mailing list: >Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/3b90c684/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:18:31 +0000 (GMT) >From: javilk@mall-net.com >Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] RE:Several things >To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >Message-ID: <20050824061831.45043.qmail@mall-net.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > >>"L.R. McGuire-Smith" wrote: >>I was excited to see the mention of geodome living, striving to succeed and >>mad cow type scrapie in cats. I have two cats, really just one but her >>"baby" is visiting our home right now with my daughter, who is visiting as >>well. I read where a copper deficiency >> >>I'VE HEARD THAT COPPER IS DEADLY, IF INGESTED. >> >> > > I was getting small, pencil dot sized pellets of pure >electrodeposited ccopper as supplements back in the mid to late 80's. >I didn't seem to notice any rigor mortis... > > And we use to have real copper water pipes for a long, long time. >So I doubt there's a proble with copper if you don't take too much. > >-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) >CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. >Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. >My opinions are subject to the availability of information. >I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. > >For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices >orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. >Today's Art Photo > Chem / Fungus allergies > Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. > Arthritis >Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. >Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:42:15 -0700 (PDT) >From: clyde lofton >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK. >To: mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org >Message-ID: <20050824164215.37404.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >WEBLINK: > >http://www.t-shirthumor.com/Merchant2/products/chen.html?Category_Code=newr > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/1107ac20/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:30:34 -0700 (PDT) >From: clyde lofton >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS. >To: mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org >Message-ID: <20050824183034.25755.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES, NEED ABSOLUTE >HEALTH STANDARDS MADE. > >CLYDE > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/b12058d4/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Mad-Scientists mailing list >Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > >End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65 >********************************************** >Clyde-do you suppose maybe you have heavy metals overload? I am on AP therapy, turns out one of the benefits of the Macrolides family of antibiotics helps chelate out toxic metals as well as modulating cytochrome P450 metabolic pathway. I probably have a combined heme and methylation problem and perhaps pyroluric and celiac as well as a buncha' otha' crap wrong. Anyway-got my problems sorted out-but it took a lot of research and I had trouble with local m.d.'s (they were rather limited intellectually-and couldn't believe a patient had more research skills and better diagnostic insight than themselves-ego buster). Copper and any other metal is only important in TRACE amounts-however, if you are slanted a certain way in your metabolic pathways, what works for one person may store too easily in you-or you may not store ENOUGH, like others are able to. Either way you are in trouble if it goes on very long. I found a website that I'd recommend as good for research information on metabolic pathways and supplements-it's called www.acu-cellreasearch.com If this link doesn't work I'll look it up and send it again. Clyde-do me a favor! Please do not cut and paste my stuff and then append your cursing to it, okay, Please! I just hate that-but I care about you-all right? Thanks, Lisa > > From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 15:35:51 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Aug 24 15:35:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS. In-Reply-To: <20050824202628.63881.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050824223551.33667.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES, NEED ABSOLUTE > HEALTH STANDARDS MADE. I would strongly oppose this, as I had in the past, when Hillary Clinton wanted to create a health care plan with mandatory treatments defined by a committee. WHAT WOULD THE LIKELY DECISIONS BE, FROM HER COMMITTEE ON ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS? No alternative medicine, no freedom of choice, etc. I AM REFERRING TO VITAMINS BEING A NATIONAL HEALTH STANDARD, AS WELL AS SPECIFIC FORMS OF ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES BEING A NATIONAL HEALTH STANDARD TOO. That is where absolute standards go. That means, YOU could be treated against your will, I DON'T TRUST OTHERS WHO (WOULD) WANT TO TREAT ME AGAINST MY WILL; THE SAME IS APPLICABLE TO HOW ALL OTHERS WOULD FEEL TOO. as well as blocked from having alternative treatments, such as non-pharmaceutical nutritional treatments. I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. NUTRITION SHOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE STANDARD. WHAT I MEAN IS THAT VITAMINS AND MECHANICAL RESONANT THERAPIES SHOULD BE MADE INTO ABSOLUTE STANDARDS, AND SANITATION SHOULD BE MADE INTO AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT STANDARD AS WELL, TO THE POINT OF FASCIST CONTROL, IF THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES FOR THAT TO SUCCEED. Freedom is the right to chose what you do, even if it may harm you. YEAH, AND I HAVE MADE SOME BAD CHOICES FOR MY SO-CALLED HEALTH CARE, AT THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP, HERE IN TULSA. THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP WANT TO KILL US ALL, IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT, BY LAW. POPULATION CONTROL DISEASES; M.K. ULTRA; AND OTHER UNETHICAL TORTUROUS SHIT TOO. I NEED THERAPY RIGHT NOW, AND SO DO SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE, WHO ARE BEING DENIED IT, AND WHO ARE BEING DEPRIVED OF IT, SOLELY AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FUCKING WEALTHY ELITE. I NEED THERAPY TO BE CONTINUOUS, AND NOT ONLY INTERMITTENT. CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE EQUALLY, IN AMERICA, AND WITH THIS COUNTRY'S ALLIES TOO, BUILT HERE IN AMERICA, WITH QUALITY AND PRIDE, AND BUILT TO WHERE IT IS AFFORDABLE FOR EVERYONE, EQUALLY. THE WAR MACHINE NEEDS TO BE TRANSFOMED INTO THE HEALTH MACHINE; AND I'VE LOST MY MIND. MY BACK HURTS. MY HEART HURTS; AND MY BRAIN HURTS. INSUFFICIENT RESOURCES, PREVENTING ENDLESS PROGRESS; AND HEALTHCARE IS FALLING FAR SHORT OF WHERE IT SHOULD BE; AND OF WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE, FOR US ALL, EQUALLY. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND AN ORTHOMOLECULAR DOCTOR IN THIS PODUNK INDUSTRIAL SLUM, OF TULSA. ARE NUTRICIANISTS AND ORTHOMOLECULAR DOCTORS, THE EXACT SAME; OR ARE THEY DIFFERENT? Chem / Fungus allergies I WANT TO KNOW THE CHEMICAL COMPLEX OF CLONAZEPAM, AND THE AREAS OF THE BODY THAT IT HAS ITS EFFECTS UPON, AND WHAT PORTIONS OF THE CHEMICAL COMPLEX OF CLONAZEPAM ARE SO ADDICTIVE, AND WHY THE EFFECTS DO NOT LAST; WHY THE BODY BUILDS UP A TOLERANCE TO THAT DAMNED DRUG. I DON'T LIKE CLONAZEPAM ANYMORE; IT HAS FAILED LIKE ALL OF THE REST OF THE CHEMICALS. IT HAS BEEN THE CLOSEST DRUG TO BEING A TRUE MEDICINE THOUGH, YET IT IS STILL NOT AN ABSOLUTION. I NEED AN ABSOLUTION AND ABSOLUTIONS, AND ONLY PHYSICS HAS THOSE TO OFFER. CHEMISTRY IS ONLY ENDLESS CYCLES OF CLOAKING THE PAIN AND SUFFERING. Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. VITAMIN C HAS BEEN GOOD TO ME, BUT I NEED MORE THAN JUST THAT ALONE. I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF ALL OF THE BEST VITAMINS AND MINERALS: THE ONE'S WHICH WILL EASE MY FUCKED UP NEUROLOGY INTO PEACE, INSTEAD OF CONTINUAL PAIN. AND THAT WILL ALSO BE OF BENEFIT TO EVERYONE ELSE EQUALLY AS WELL. THE GLOBALIZAION OF VITAMIN CONTROL, WILL NOT BE OF BENEFIT TO ANYONE. THIS COUNTRY NEEDS A HEALTHCARE REVOLUTION. THIS COUNTRY NEEDS OTHER REVOLUTIONS, EQUALLY AS WELL. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/e1a15d2f/attachment-0001.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Aug 24 17:15:09 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Aug 24 17:15:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The customer/supplier/product relationship Message-ID: <00f901c5a90a$0e040a00$6601a8c0@mikey> Any capitalist business requires three things: A supplier, a product/service, and a customer for the product/service. A century ago, my great-grandfather, Dr. Benjamin W. Best, was a physician. He supplied the service of medical care to his customers, the patients. Seventy years ago, my grandfather, John H. Best, a pharmacist, provided medicines to his customers, ailing patients. Notice the relationship- Supplier= physician or pharmacist, product= medical care or medicine, customer= patient. Fast forward to the 21st century, where underwriters pay for medical care. Now the relationship is: Supplier= Professional Associations of physicians, and multinational drug companies Customer, who pays the bills= insurance underwriters PRODUCT= SICK PEOPLE! The entire paradigm of health care is bassackwards! The money is made not from fee-for-services of healing, but from insurance payments, most notably the Socialist Medicare program. The driving force today, the profit incentive, is to make money from the underwriters by selling the patient's illness to the insurers! The bottom line of medical business today is best served by keeping patients ill; NOT curing their ailment. And all this began when Medicare established "Reasonable and Customary Charges!" How does it feel to be a piece of meat in the butcher's market? That is ALL the patient is today! Simply a product to be sold to the highest bidder. My great-grandfather delivered babies for three chickens, or a ham. I have his old account book. What does that service cost the underwriter today? Are YOU the customer, or the product to be sold??? -MB From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 18:11:06 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Aug 24 18:11:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65 In-Reply-To: <430CF0A6.7040108@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20050825011106.34535.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Tim wrote: >Clyde-do you suppose maybe you have heavy metals overload? THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT CHECKING TO SEE IF THAT MAY BE THE CASE; IF MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN (M.D.) IS UNWILLING TO HELP ME OUT ON CHECKING INTO THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO TURN TO FOR HELP. I am on AP therapy, WHAT IS A.P. ABBREVIATED FOR? turns out one of the benefits of the Macrolides family of antibiotics I'D LIKE TO CHECK INTO COLLOIDAL SILVER, TO FIND OUT IF THAT MAY BE OF SOME BENEFIT TO MYSELF, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS AS WELL. THE DOCTORS WERE CONTINUALLY DOING PULSE OX. TESTS ON ME, AND MY OXYGEN LEVEL ALWAYS CHECKED OUT GOOD; AND DRINKING LOT'S OF ANTI-OXIDANTS DOESN'T SEEM TO ALTER THE WAY THAT I FEEL, VERY MUCH. *I WONDER IF MY SYSTEM COULD BE FAR TOO ACIDIC, OR FAR TOO ALKALINE? DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW I CAN CHECK THOSE TWO THINGS? I'D LIKE TO BE CHEMICALLY NEUTRAL, IF POSSIBLE.* helps chelate out toxic metals as well as modulating cytochrome P450 metabolic pathway. MY CARDIOVASCULAR STRESS IS CONSTANTLY HIGH; COULD IT BE HARDENING, AND / OR DAMAGING MY VESSELS AND ARTERIES? THIS GOAL ORIENTED PERFECTIONISM OF MINE, HAS GONE TOO FAR, AND I AM PAYING FOR IT, WITH OVERWHELMING STRESS, HEALTH TROUBLES. I probably have a combined heme and methylation problem and perhaps pyroluric and celiac as well as a buncha' otha' crap wrong. Anyway-got my problems sorted out-but it took a lot of research and I had trouble with local m.d.'s (they were rather limited intellectually-and couldn't believe a patient had more research skills and better diagnostic insight than themselves YEAH; I'M FINDING OUT NOW HOW LIMITED THAT THE M.D.'S TRULY ARE, INTELLECTUALLY, SINCE MY LEARNING OF THE MAD-SCI FORUM, AND THROUGH MY CORRESPONDING WITH JOHN (JAVILK). -ego buster). Copper and any other metal is only important in TRACE amounts-however, I'VE STARTED TAKING NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMINS USUALLY EVERY DAY NOW, WITH AN OCCASIONAL VITAMIN B COMPLEX STRESS REDUCEMENT VITAMIN, ALONG WITH ZINC, ON OCCASION. I HAVE THE NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMIN BOX, HERE IN FRONT OF MYSELF, AND IT SHOWS THAT IT CONTAINS 2 mG'S OF COPPER (OXIDE) IN ITS MIXTURE; NEXT TO THAT, IT READS: 100%, UNDER THE %DV AMOUNT PER TABLET, AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMN. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE (% OF) *DV* STANDS FOR. if you are slanted a certain way in your metabolic pathways, I AM NOW WONDERING IF THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP HAVE CAUSED PERMANENT IRREVERSIBLE HARM, TO MY CARDIOVASCULAR ARRANGEMENT. I THINK I AM HAVING DRUG INDUCED SLEEP APNEA NOW, AT NIGHT TIME, DURING SLEEP. I WAKE UP AT TIMES, FEELING AS THOUGH I'M GOING TO SUFFOCATE IN MY SLEEP, AND ALSO WAKE UP WITH NUMBNESS IN MY ARMS AND LEGS AT TIMES TOO, AND BAD ACHING PAINS IN MY CHEST, IN THE MORNINGS. what works for one person may store too easily in you-or you may not store ENOUGH, like others are able to. I NEED BETTER TESTS RUN ON MYSELF, TO DETERMINE EVERYTHING THAT COULD BE WRONG. THOSE TESTES AREN'T CHEAP THOUGH, FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, AND I AM NOT WEALTHY; SO I CANNOT AFFORD EXPENSIVE TESTS TO BE PERFORMED ON MYSELF. Either way you are in trouble if it goes on very long. IT HAS GONE ON FOR SO LONG NOW THAT I AM NEXT TO DEPERATE FOR ALTERNATIVES THAT WORK, FOR THE REDUCTION OF ALL OF THE OVERWHELMING STRESS THAT I FEEL. PEACE. OH, HOW I DESPERATELY NEED PEACE IN MY LIFE NOW. I found a website that I'd recommend as good for research information on metabolic pathways and supplements-it's called http://www.acu-cellresearch.com I'LL LOOK INTO IT. THANKS FOR SHARING THAT WEBSITE. If this link doesn't work I'll look it up and send it again. Clyde-do me a favor! Please do not cut and paste my stuff DO YOU MEAN BOTH CUT AND PASTE, WHILE ADDING CURSE WORDS TO IT, AT THE SAME TIME? ; OR ARE YOU ONLY WANTING ME TO EXCLUDE ANY CURSE WORDS? and then append your cursing to it, okay, Please! I just hate that- but I care about you-all right? ALRIGHT. Thanks, Lisa SINCERELY; CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Notice the relationship- Supplier= physician or pharmacist, product= medical care or medicine, customer= patient. Fast forward to the 21st century, where underwriters pay for medical care. Now the relationship is: Supplier= Professional Associations of physicians, and multinational drug companies PILL PUSHERS: (THE F'ING COMMERCIALISM OF PHARMACOLOGY.). OBSCENE KHEMICAL KOMPLEXES WITH STUPID COMMERCIALISM NAMES APPLIED TO THEM, AND OVERWHELMING AMOUNTS OF INCLUDED FINE PRINT, THAT THE AVERAGE CIVILIAN HAS NO TIME TO GO THROUGH, AND SORT OUT ALL OF THE SHIT. TELEVISION COMMERICIALISM IS SO DAMNED STUPID, PERTANING TO PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, AND THEIR COMMERCIALISM. I GET SO TIRED OF ALL OF THE STUPID TELEVISION COMMERCIALS OF DRUG ADDS / DRUG CAMPAINS. THE COMPLEX FINE PRINT WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS TO THE AVERAGE END USER, INCLUDED WITH PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. THE CADUCEUS CRAP PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX, AND THE DOCTORS THAT THEY OWN AND OPERATE, CONTINUE TO RAKE IN ALL OF THE MOUNTAINS OF INSURANCE INTRAFUCKTURE DOUGH, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT; NOW I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. Customer, who pays the bills= insurance underwriters PRODUCT= SICK PEOPLE! DAMN STRAIGHT! EVEN THE CHIROPRACTOR HAS PERMANENTLY PUT MY SPINE OUT OF ALLIGNMENT, TOO, I THINK, TO WHERE I WILL NEED ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, OR UNTIL THE MEDICARE COVERAGE RUNS OUT, AND THEN I WILL BE SCREWED, WITH MAJOR BACK PAIN, AND BACK DISCOMFORT. I THINK MY SPINE WILL NEVER PERMANANTLY HEAL, BACK TO WHAT IT WAS LIKE, WHEN I WAS A NEWBORN BABY. The entire paradigm of health care is bassackwards! YES. AND THE EDUCATIONAL, AND THE FINANCIAL, AND THE INSURANCE INFRASTRUCTURES / INTRAFUCKTURES ARE ALL IN ON IT TOGETHER; YET IT GOES DEEPER THAN THAT. MILITARY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. FINANCIAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. POLITICAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. EDUCATIONAL KOMPLEX. BANKING KOMPLEX. AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. MINING INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. PLANT HARVESTING KOMPLEX. ELEKTRICAL ENERGY GENERATION AND DISTRIBUTION INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. SLAVE LABOR WORKERS UNIONS. ETC...... AND THERE IS MORE THAT I KNOW THAT I HAVE LEFT OUT, YET CANNOT THINK OF, AT THIS TIME. The money is made not from fee-for-services of healing, but from insurance payments, most notably the Socialist Medicare program. I FEEL LIKE THE PRESIDENTS: THE BUSHES AND THE CLINTON'S EQUALLY, AND MOST OF THE SO-CALLED LEADERSHIP NOW, ARE SOCIALISTS; THEY CARE NOTHING ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS EDUCATION SUCCESS; THEIR ONLY CONCERN IS OVERFLOWING THEIR POCKETS WITH DOUGH, BEFORE THEY ARE KICKED OUT OF OFFICE, AND HAVE NO CONCERN ABOUT EDUCATION TEACHING INDEPENDENT CAPITALISM, AND FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE FOR THE MASSES (WE THE PEOPLE.). F.D.R. STARTED SOCIAL SLAVERY SO-CALLED SECURITY; BUT HERBERT HOOVER, THE PRECEEDING PRESIDENT BEFORE ROOSEVELT, WAS BLAMED FOR THE DEPRESSION. SO WHEN WAS THE END OF CAPITALISM BEING TAUGHT, IN THE MAINSTREAM EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, IF IT WAS EVEN EVER TAUGHT AT ALL, IN THE MAINSTREAM EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, FOR THE FINANCIAL SUCCESS AND INDEPENDENCE FOR ALL SMALL BUSINESS ENTHUSIAST AMERICANS, EQUALLY? I'M CONFUSED AS HELL. THE FASCIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST FAILING PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL SHITSTEM, DOESN'T TEACH TO BE INDEPENDENT CAPITALISTS; IT TEACHES JOBS, WORKFORCE, AND IN THE END; SOCIAL SLAVERY SO-CALLED SECURITY. The driving force today, the profit incentive, is to make money from the underwriters by selling the patient's illness to the insurers! The bottom line of medical business today is best served by keeping patients ill; NOT curing their ailment. DAMN STRAIGHT! And all this began when Medicare established "Reasonable and Customary Charges!" How does it feel to be a piece of meat in the butcher's market? That is ALL the patient is today! Simply a product to be sold to the highest bidder. My great-grandfather delivered babies for three chickens, or a ham. I have his old account book. What does that service cost the underwriter today? Are YOU the customer, or the product to be sold??? GOOD POINTS! BUT I'VE LOST MY MIND, AND DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO BACK TO DO ANY FURTHER REVISIONS TO THIS POSTING. CLYDE -MB __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/18a9523d/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Aug 24 21:47:47 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Aug 24 21:47:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65 In-Reply-To: <20050825011106.34535.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 24, 2005 06:11:06 PM Message-ID: <20050825044747.23716.qmail@mall-net.com> > I'D LIKE TO CHECK INTO COLLOIDAL SILVER, TO FIND OUT IF THAT MAY BE OF SOME BENEFIT TO MYSELF, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS AS WELL. Only if you have some kind of infection. Longer term use colloidal silver produces a PERMANENTLY gray pallor. I've seen in in some older folks who used colloidal silver before the antibiotics revolution of the mid to late 50's. it does not look good! Maybe not quite "tin man", but mildly disturbing to see. > THE DOCTORS WERE CONTINUALLY DOING PULSE OX. TESTS ON ME, AND MY OXYGEN LEVEL ALWAYS CHECKED OUT GOOD; Why were they doing that? Do they realize that the Pulsox method of sensing oxygen will not detect carbon monoxide poisoning? People with carbon monoxide poisoning typically look a little reddish because CO bound hemoglobin is as red or redder than oxygen bound hemoglobin. > *I WONDER IF MY SYSTEM COULD BE FAR TOO ACIDIC, OR FAR TOO ALKALINE? > DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW I CAN CHECK THOSE TWO THINGS? Urine pH. You can get some pH strips; just get something which is a little narrower in range, say 5.5 - 7, so that there is good color separation between the bands. 5.2 - 7.8 isn't that bad; but it's easier to tell the color change when the band is narrower. This will not tell you blood pH; but in a reasonably healthy person, the kidneys adjust blood pH, so if your urine is alkaline, your blood tends to be also. Sleep apnea is more common in people who have alkaline blood. Acidity drives respiration. Raising blood acidity will make you breathe deeper to adjust it. > I'D LIKE TO BE CHEMICALLY NEUTRAL, IF POSSIBLE.* Don't know if that is a good idea. > helps chelate out toxic metals as well as modulating cytochrome P450 metabolic pathway. I have chelation therapy with disodium EDTA periodically. It helps. If this is a problem, one needs to make sure one is getting enough salt, as those with porphyria tend to dump salts just before a major attack. > MY CARDIOVASCULAR STRESS IS CONSTANTLY HIGH; COULD IT BE HARDENING, AND / OR DAMAGING MY VESSELS AND ARTERIES? If you get enough vitamin C and magnesium, and can keep the blood pressure down, it would be better. Garlic and onions will lower blood pressure, but can get you fired from jobs where you have to deal with the public. (Unless, maybe, you can deal with a good Italian community.) > THIS GOAL ORIENTED PERFECTIONISM OF MINE, HAS GONE TOO FAR, AND I AM PAYING FOR IT, WITH OVERWHELMING STRESS, HEALTH TROUBLES. Remember, it is more perfect to get things done, than to not get them done. And many times, when you get the thing done, you see that something else is needed, so the perfectionism delayed things and made them more expensive. Most needs change. Perfectionism is often very inflexible when it comes to meeting changing needs. > I probably have a combined heme and methylation problem and perhaps > pyroluric and celiac as well as a buncha' otha' crap wrong. Every been tested for porphyria? > Anyway-got my problems sorted out-but it took a lot of research and I > had trouble with local m.d.'s (they were rather limited > intellectually-and couldn't believe a patient had more research skills > and better diagnostic insight than themselves Yep. > > I'VE STARTED TAKING NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMINS USUALLY EVERY DAY NOW, WITH AN OCCASIONAL VITAMIN B COMPLEX STRESS REDUCEMENT VITAMIN, ALONG WITH ZINC, ON OCCASION. > I HAVE THE NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMIN BOX, HERE IN FRONT OF MYSELF, AND IT SHOWS THAT IT CONTAINS 2 mG'S OF COPPER (OXIDE) IN ITS MIXTURE; NEXT TO THAT, IT READS: 100%, UNDER THE %DV AMOUNT PER TABLET, AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMN. > I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE (% OF) *DV* STANDS FOR. Probably means Daily Value, as opposed to the FDA's RDA (Recommended Daily Allowance), which is usually geared to an underweight sedentary worker. > I AM NOW WONDERING IF THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP HAVE CAUSED PERMANENT IRREVERSIBLE HARM, TO MY CARDIOVASCULAR ARRANGEMENT. > I THINK I AM HAVING DRUG INDUCED SLEEP APNEA NOW, AT NIGHT TIME, DURING SLEEP. > I WAKE UP AT TIMES, FEELING AS THOUGH I'M GOING TO SUFFOCATE IN MY SLEEP, AND ALSO WAKE UP WITH NUMBNESS IN MY ARMS AND LEGS AT TIMES TOO, AND BAD ACHING PAINS IN MY CHEST, IN THE MORNINGS. That almost sounds like carbon monoxide poisoning. It could also be a pillow allergy, misalignment of the neck due to a bad pillow, and some other things. > I NEED BETTER TESTS RUN ON MYSELF, TO DETERMINE EVERYTHING THAT COULD BE WRONG. > THOSE TESTES AREN'T CHEAP THOUGH, FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, AND I AM NOT WEALTHY; SO I CANNOT AFFORD EXPENSIVE TESTS TO BE PERFORMED ON MYSELF. That is a problem. Some things you can test yourself. Typing speed or speed in tapping some pattern as if on a musical instrument can be a window onto neurological function. Even if you don't find ways of proving or disproving specific hypotheses, you can run tests of performance, such as finger coordination, lung volume, or maybe how many pushups or pullups you can do, and try to correlate them to foods, medicines, and where you are. For example, if you can get some means of measuring lung volume or breath strength, you can see if you do better in the morning, before going to work, later in the day at work, mid evening at home, and just before bed time. This should give you a clue about exposures and allergens. If the morning is bad, then bed and pillow, or laundry detergents become suspect. (You are not using fabric softener, are you? Number one suspect in night time problems is fabric softener and detergent. And then gas appliances and ventilation.) > IT HAS GONE ON FOR SO LONG NOW THAT I AM NEXT TO DEPERATE FOR ALTERNATIVES THAT WORK, FOR THE REDUCTION OF ALL OF THE OVERWHELMING STRESS THAT I FEEL. > PEACE. > OH, HOW I DESPERATELY NEED PEACE IN MY LIFE NOW. When we find and eliminate what is triggering your adrenals, your whole sense of what is going on will change for the better. http://www.acu-cellresearch.com Not a working site. Tried both acu and accu. Do you mean http://www.acu-cell.com perchance? > > Clyde-do me a favor! Please do not cut and paste my stuff DO YOU MEAN BOTH CUT AND PASTE, WHILE ADDING CURSE WORDS TO IT, AT THE SAME TIME? OR ARE YOU ONLY WANTING ME TO EXCLUDE ANY CURSE WORDS? It is well accepted internet protocol to edit out sections of the previous reply which are no longer relevant to the discussion. Curse words and diatribes, we can all do without. They basically show that you are up against the wall and no longer thinking clearly. We know that already from the capitalization. But sometimes that IS life, and we rooting for you, hoping you'll get better and feel more comfortable with your life to the point where you can see beyond the diatribes and stereotypes. Meanwhile, you are telling us that you are alive! And we do want to hear that. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Aug 24 22:30:57 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Aug 24 22:31:03 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS. In-Reply-To: <20050824223551.33667.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 24, 2005 03:35:51 PM Message-ID: <20050825053057.42498.qmail@mall-net.com> > > THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES, NEED ABSOLUTE > > HEALTH STANDARDS MADE. > > I would strongly oppose this, as I had in the past, when Hillary > Clinton wanted to create a health care plan with mandatory treatments > defined by a committee. > > WHAT WOULD THE LIKELY DECISIONS BE, FROM HER COMMITTEE ON ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS? Well, the legislation didn't specify the treatments; but I think only two of five committee members were to be doctors. So you know that the first goal is getting costs down. Then they wanted 15 year jail terms for patients asking doctors about other treatments, and 15 year jail terms for offering treatments not in the official book. It was totally nutso! The state owns your carcas and can make you take whatever pharmaceuticals it wants to give you??? Even the soviet union wasn't that bad as long as you stayed out of their psych prisons. http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/06-21-99/vo15no13_overdose.htm And numerous other pages, just look for hillarycare or hillarycare jail > I AM REFERRING TO VITAMINS BEING A NATIONAL HEALTH STANDARD, AS WELL AS SPECIFIC FORMS OF ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES BEING A NATIONAL HEALTH STANDARD TOO. Slowly, the insurance companies are giving in to customer demand. But vitamins are a standard now. Just look at the RDAs put out by the FDA. Unfortunately, like any standard, they can be off. They are generally VERY LOW for specifics like vitamin C, B12, Niacin, etc. And those needs DO vary WIDELY for people, depending upon health, genetics, and occupation. > I DON'T TRUST OTHERS WHO (WOULD) WANT TO TREAT ME AGAINST MY WILL; THE SAME IS APPLICABLE TO HOW ALL OTHERS WOULD FEEL TOO. Yep! If they enacted such legislation, I would have to leave America to survive. And let me tell you, I love this country, and consider my citizenship the highest award I could ever get for anything! M