In a message dated 8/17/2005 5:57:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 > javilk@mall-net.com writes:

> style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><= > FONT=20 > style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= > =3D2> =20 > I really wish you'd set your mail handler to conform to internet=20 >
standards! (I know, it's MS's G**D***** arrogance, not yours, in= > =20 >
setting it up this way so they can break everyting that they don't own= > !=20 >
With billions of dollars loss from their virus emabling stupidity, MS=20 >
machines should be banned from the internet!)
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Sorry, I have no idea what you are speaking of. How do I set up m= > y=20 > mail handler? Didn't know I had one. About the only thing=20= > I do=20 > with my PC is to search the internet, read or write E-Mail, and sometimes se= > nd=20 > pictures of family here and there.

I am not a teckie.

My cell phone is a marvel, it takes pictures, plays games etc. I=20= > have=20 > no idea what else it does because I only use it for an emergency. In 5=20 > years I used it twice, once for a flat tire on trailer towing my jet=20 > skis, and once when power went out to check on my mom. > >

I have a dvd that I do not use unless one of my kids wants to wat= > ch a=20 > movie and can get the darn thing to work.

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>I had a radio=20 > alarm clock for years, then one day a power outage made me late for work, I=20= > now=20 > have a wind up clock and love it, the ticking is white noise, sleep comes=20 > easy.

Come to think of it, I do seem to be down rating my teck life=20 > style. My microwave is so small now, big enough for a dinner pla= > te,=20 > about 1/3 the size of my first one. I threw out the electric knife, don't kn= > ow=20 > what I wanted with that. The food grinder is gone replaced with a plastic jo= > b=20 > with a manual turn handle. I find a pot of oil on the stove works as well as= > an=20 > expensive Fry Daddy.

In the last few minutes I did a quick tour of my home and went looking=20= > for=20 > the teck stuff that I do not need or use. WoW=20 > !!!!! On the wall of my pantry I see 9 p= > lug=20 > in cords that go to kitchen stuff, griddles etc. can't remember when I=20= > last=20 > used any of the appliances the cords go to. All this stuff that=20= > uses=20 > electricity is nuts. When was the last time you made pancakes wit= > h an=20 > electric devise?

Not just the kitchen, the bathroom is a wild source of electric using=20 > thingies. Under the counter I found 4 hair dryers, 6 electric types of= > =20 > hair curlers, 3 face shavers, a tub spa, nail care unit, foot bath, so far I= > =20 > have only hit the tip of the ice burger there are 2 more cabinets to check=20 > out.

When something is not used, it is useless, so why do people have all th= > e,=20 > lets face it Crap?

GOOD GREEF as I look around my house not only do I see the tecki=20 > stuff but the non-tec things that fill the place like a used junk=20 > store.

When I moved in here 10 years ago I brought nothing except clothing and= > =20 > family photos. Now I have collected enough for a family of 10 instead of a=20 > family of 2.

Where did all this stuff come from? I have to admit that books, c= > lose=20 > to a religious experience for me take up way too much space. Lots of the oth= > er=20 > stuff comes from my mom who is weeding out family stuff, she is 86 years old= > and=20 > too tired to dust things or polish silver. So I who have no time to du= > st=20 > or polish, jam all that stuff in cardboard boxes and stack them in any room=20= > not=20 > open to the public.

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>Dear Javilk,=20 > I thank you for your question about my mail manager. In a flight of id= > eas=20 > I have ended up thinking of a humongus garage sale. > >

ONE PROBLEM, I am a Yankee, and Yan= > kees=20 > never throw ANYTHING out or get rid of it for any=20 > reason. This is hard, I have had to loose or g= > ive=20 > up things in my life and wont you just know it, I had to at sometime or othe= > r go=20 > out and buy it again.

So, I am going to find out about my mail manager, and make a plan to=20 > DE-TECK the house.

Again, thanks Javilk, sometimes the most= > =20 > innocent statements make big changes in others lives.

= > ; &nb= > sp;=20 > Regards Vesta

>No man=20 > survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who= > cry=20 > 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please."=20 >

> > -------------------------------1124486406-- > > --===============0029762417== > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > --===============0029762417==-- > From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 15:46:24 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 15:46:27 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Darwinism of the Appliances In-Reply-To: <20050819224528.4798.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Aug 19, 2005 10:45:28 PM Message-ID: <20050819224624.5090.qmail@mall-net.com> Sorry, my fingers fumbledd from laughing as I tried to change the title. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 16:47:39 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Fri Aug 19 16:48:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pharmacists Speak on the "Right to Refuse" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050819234739.99951.qmail@web51912.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta, I wish I could give a simple answer, but I don't think there is one for this topic. the problem of a pharmacist refusing to issue copntraceptives/abortificant medication due to personal beliefs brings up some thorny questions. does he own the shop? is it the only shop in town? would selling a morning after pill in the first have prevented a surgical abortion? would the morning after pill have prevented yet another child going through the foster/welfare/child-services machine? is it right (whatever that means) to require a woman to bring a fetus to term against the woman's will? I don't have any good answers to these, as I dropped out of the christian faith about 25 years ago (tho' people tell me I'm one of the more christian people they know... strange world.) --- Vesta111@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:16:29 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > mbest@triad.rr.com writes: > > _http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/510299?src=mp_ > (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/510299?src=mp) > > > Years ago, in a moment of insanity, I decided to > follow a life seeing to the > care of our oldest generations. What a > mistake that was. I found > myself jumping from job to job due to the rules that > you do what you are told > and no questions. > > No way I could starve anything or anyone to > death or give medication that > was given not to benefit the patient but to keep > the staff from having to > spend one more minute with any one patient than > another. > > I know that if I worked for a doctor and was told > that I would have to work > with a patient that was going for a partial birth > abortion, I would RUN, > HIDE. and bang my head against the floor before I > decided to run off and live in > a cave away from humans that turned my brain to > jello. > > There are some things in this world that people > cannot abide, I can most > happily hand out the pill to halt pregnancy in the > first month or so. After 3 > months I get a bit uncomfortable. At 4 months I > cannot handle it, I have a > grandchild born in the 5th month all 18 ozs. ugly > as hell. Kind of reminded > me of a frog that had been exposed to pesticides. > > So, after years of schooling, seeing my family all > proud of my life choice, > I now have a (CHOICE) of giving up my job and then > what ? Or, I can twist > and warp my brain to except what is and has all > ways been unthinkable. > > With the changes in society and the advances in > medicine I find I am at a > loss to figure out what is the ethical, moral and > sane way of life. I pray to > God for guidance on these issues. > > Regards Vesta > > > > > > > > > > > No man survives when freedom fails, The best men > rot in filthy jails, And > those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by > those they tried to please." > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 17:17:57 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 17:17:59 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C974701468A90@pzisexch.poco.com> from "Moore, Frank" at Aug 19, 2005 04:36:08 PM Message-ID: <20050820001757.64556.qmail@mall-net.com> > I think the problem is on his end... not yours. Your e-mails to the > ListServer always look fine to me... And I have no problem seeing the > passages you have quoted from others. They have a blue line that runs > down the left margin. I do notice that they are HTML format, which is > fine to me. I prefer e-mail in HTML. Perhaps Javilk has his server set > to "Plain Text" only? If the receiving mail server automatically > converts HTML to Plain Text, it may jumble things around a bit. All the lists I've used over the last 12 years blocked HTML mail. That includes the web consultant's list, folks who write in HTML for a living. Why? Use to be just because it was excessive; now it's another way of getting viruses. So yes, this computer geek and webmaster does not have HTML mail enabled. Indeed, I am using a mail handler that is incapable of hanling HTML, atchooments etc. And with that, I've not caught any viruses. Ever. (Though it helps that I'm running Linux.) Plus, not all devices out there handle HTML Mail. Of those that do, not everyone enables it for security reasons. And since almost all spam these days is HTML mail, many filter on that! Since I have been getting several hundred spams per hour (and blocking most of them), I usually handle my e-mail on the server without downloading to my machine. As do many with similar situations. That means a simple mail handler which does not do HTML. This is the only HTML Mail source that I allow through my mail filter. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 18:13:44 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 19 18:14:05 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pharmacists Speak on the "Right to Refuse" In-Reply-To: <20050819234739.99951.qmail@web51912.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050820011344.97195.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> THE PHUCKING PHARMAPSUEDO'S BETTER FUCKING BE CAREFUL. THEY ARE WALKING ON EGGSHELLS WITH PEOPLE LIKE ME; AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHERS OUT THERE WHO FEEL THE SAME ABOUT ALL OF THE CORRUPTION. PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE PISSED AT ALL OF THE PHRAUDULENT PHARMAPSUEDO SHIT THAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES. DO WE THE PEOPLE STILL HAVE THE TEAMWORK FIGHTING BACK POWER, TO FIGHT ALL OF THE GOD DAMNED FUCKERS LIKE MERK? CERTAIN PLACES IN THE PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX NEED TO BE BOMBED STRATEGICALLY. AND IT ISN'T MY WILL TO BE A TERRORIST. VITAMINS AND MINERAL MAY NOT BE THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION(S), BUT WHEN WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE **OUR** POWER CONTROL, OVER THE FUCKERS AT THE PHARMACOLOGY DICTATORSHIP HEADQUARTERS; THE F.D.A. (THE FUCKED UP FOOD AND DRUG ADDICTION ASSOCIATION.). CLYDE Robert Juliano wrote: Vesta, I wish I could give a simple answer, but I don't think there is one for this topic. the problem of a pharmacist refusing to issue copntraceptives/abortificant medication due to personal beliefs brings up some thorny questions. does he own the shop? is it the only shop in town? would selling a morning after pill in the first have prevented a surgical abortion? would the morning after pill have prevented yet another child going through the foster/welfare/child-services machine? is it right (whatever that means) to require a woman to bring a fetus to term against the woman's will? I don't have any good answers to these, as I dropped out of the christian faith about 25 years ago (tho' people tell me I'm one of the more christian people they know... strange world.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050819/11ad50ec/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 18:37:06 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 19 18:37:10 2005 Subject: REVISED: [Mad-Scientists] Pharmacists Speak on the "Right to Refuse" In-Reply-To: <20050819234739.99951.qmail@web51912.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050820013706.54762.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> REVISED; (PLEASE DISREGARD THE FIRST SEND): THE PHUCKING PHARMAPSUEDO'S BETTER FUCKING BE CAREFUL. THEY ARE WALKING ON EGGSHELLS WITH PEOPLE LIKE ME; AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHERS OUT THERE WHO FEEL THE SAME ABOUT ALL OF THE CORRUPTION. PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE PISSED AT ALL OF THE PHRAUDULENT PHARMAPSUEDO SHIT THAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES. DO WE THE PEOPLE STILL HAVE THE TEAMWORK FIGHTING BACK POWER, TO FIGHT ALL OF THE GOD DAMNED FUCKERS LIKE MERK? CERTAIN PLACES IN THE PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX NEED TO BE BOMBED STRATEGICALLY. AND IT ISN'T MY WILL TO BE A TERRORIST. VITAMINS AND MINERALS MAY NOT BE THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION(S), BUT WHEN WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE **OUR** POWER CONTROL, OVER THE FUCKERS AT THE PHARMACOLOGY DICTATORSHIP HEADQUARTERS: THE F.D.A. (THE FUCKED UP FOOD AND DRUG ADDICTION ASSOCIATION-ADMINISTRATION.), WHAT THE HELL DO WE DO? CLYDE Robert Juliano wrote: Vesta, I wish I could give a simple answer, but I don't think there is one for this topic. the problem of a pharmacist refusing to issue copntraceptives/abortificant medication due to personal beliefs brings up some thorny questions. does he own the shop? is it the only shop in town? would selling a morning after pill in the first have prevented a surgical abortion? would the morning after pill have prevented yet another child going through the foster/welfare/child-services machine? is it right (whatever that means) to require a woman to bring a fetus to term against the woman's will? I don't have any good answers to these, as I dropped out of the christian faith about 25 years ago (tho' people tell me I'm one of the more christian people they know... strange world.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050819/f722ef68/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 19:19:46 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 19 19:19:53 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050817062706.52101.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050820021946.34901.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > Hypertension, heart disease, sleeping problems, post traumatic stress syndrome, short fuse, flash backs, etc. > I AM SHELL SHOCKED BY REALITY; HYPERTENSION STRESS; POST TRAUMATIC STRESS; INSOMNIA FROM HELL; NUCLEAR BLAST-SHORT FUSE PERFECTIONISM TROUBLES; AND RACING THOUGHTS. Post traumatic stress disorder is characterized by slow brain wave forms and low body temperature with some adrenaline spikes. That sounds more like the opposite of your symtomology. I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN. But you could look into EMDR, Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing therapy. I PROBABLY WON'T HAVE THE TIME TO RESEARCH INTO THAT SUBJECT MATERIAL. > MY FATHER AND MY FATHER'S FATHER, BOTH DIED, FROM HEART ATTACK. > IT IS MY WILL NOT FOLLOW THEIR SAME PATHS. > IT IS MY WILL TO BE BOTH A SURIVIOR, AND TO TRANSCEND ALL OF THEIR BULLSHIT, IF IT IS POSSIBLE FOR ME TO DO. The most important thing is that you are trying! So keep trying and you will likely find some things to make life better. I'M TRYING. It really does not matter how they died; what matters is that you don't give up, or you will have effectively followed their paths a lot younger! I WANT TO BLAST BOTH MY DAD, AND MY GRANDFATHER, BUT MAYBE THAT IS THE WRONG WAY TO THINK. I FEEL REVENGE IN MY HEART, BUT THE FEELINGS OF REVENGE ARE ONLY TEARING ME UP INSIDE. > THAT IS WHY I NEED TO COMPLETE E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT, AND TO SLOW MY RACING HYPER VELOCITY THOUGHT PATTERNS, WAY WAY DOWN, TO ALPHA SERENITY; AND TO USE E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. Alpha numbs the mind. I think Theta would be more appropriate, IF 7.83 C.P.S. (CYCLES PER SECOND) IS ALPHA, THEN AT WHAT FREQUENCY DOES THE THETA RANGE BEGIN, AND AT WHAT FREQUENCY DOES THETA RANGE END??? 7.83hz. Works for me. See Anna Wise, "The High Performance Mind; and Hutchinson "Mega Brain Power" and any subsequent books he may have written. He did have a newsletter at one point. > I ALSO NEED 24/7 ACCESS TO CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE THERAPY TECHNOLOGY TOO. > > http://www.chirocity.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1573 Interesting. I wonder if it's that hard to build something like this. I'D HAVE TO HAVE QUITE AN AMOUNT OF MONEY, TO REPLICATE A TECHNOLOGY OF THIS TYPE. > INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY NEEDS TO BE FURTHER MASS PRODUCED, FOR ALL OF US EQUALLY, AND WITH QUALITY HERE IN THE STATES, NOT IN COMMUNIST CRAP WORTHLESS SHODDY SHIT GARBAGE CHINA. > Well, the choice is whether you can afford it or not. $500 from China, or $3000 from the USA. I CHOOSE $3000.00, FROM THE U.S.A., BECAUSE I HAVE ZERO LOVE FOR CHINESE GARBAGE. FUCK CHINA! > MY THOUGHTS; ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT TECHNOLOGY, AND INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGIES ARE TESLA TECHNOLOGIES; OR; MAYBE MORE ACCURATELY; THERAPY TECHNOLOGIES THAT TESLA WORKED TOWARD THE FUTURE OF. > Different people need different things. > THE U.S., AND OUR ALLIES NEED REJUVENATION TECHNOLOGIES, MASS PRODUCED, ON A GRAND SCALE, HERE IN THE STATES, AT WORLD WAR TWO WAR MACHINE SPEED, ON A GRAND COOPERATIVE EFFORT FOR US ALL. I doubt many people would use it. Just because it is something that helps you, does not mean that others will find it as pleasant or as useful as you would. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT MASSES OF PEOPLE WOULD BECOME ADDICTED, IF RESONANT REJUVENATION THERAPY WERE MASS PRODUCED, AT WORLD WAR TWO AMERICAN WAR MACHINE SPEED. > Yep. To us who have Invested our lives in America, tomorrow > matters. America opend her gates to us, housed us, fed us, clothed us, > gave us lives. We owe her our Lives! And so, Father and Son willing to > defend her with our lives. > > AMERICA IS STILL A GOOD COUNTRY, BUT FROM MY LOWER MIDDLE CLASS PERSPECTIVE; IT IS ALSO VERY FUCKED UP, FROM MY ABUSED CHILDHOOD PERSPECTIVE, AS WELL. (Chuckle) You have no idea how bad some other countries are! Why do you think so many try to enter America? I'VE SEEN THE GOOD SIDE OF AMERICA JUST AS EQUALLY AS THE BAD SIDE OF AMERICA. > I WANT AMERICA TO BE AMERICA AGAIN! It's always been America, only different. > NOT THIS FUCKING WARZONE BETWEEN THE FUCKING COMMUNIST LIBERALS, AND THE FUCKING FASCIST CONSERVATIVES. The extremes are, of course, extreme. But there is a lot in the middle. More in the middle than near the edges. YEAH, AND THERE IS ALSO VERY MUCH HORSESHIT BULLSHIT NONSENSE DISINFOMATION IN THE MIDDLE TOO, AS EQUALLY AS AT THE EDGES. > IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE FALL OF THE BERLIN WALL WAS NOT SUCH A GOOD THING TO HAPPEN FOR ANY OF US. Any change brings good and bad. I think the fall of the Communists was a very good thing for the USA, and for the world. However... we appear to have not taken the best steps after it. THAT IS RIGHT; WE HAVEN'T TAKEN THE BEST STEPS TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. BUT FUCK COMMUNISM, AND FUCK FASCISM! Also, we paid a very high price for our cold war efforts; but we did not appreciate what those efforts did for our technology. The cold war started resulting in our national highway system, space exploration, better weather forecasts (saving tens of thousands of lives each year), computer technology (Von Neumann, Grace Hopper, et al developing the first real computers.), Integrated circuits, and a host of other things which we take for granted. If it had not been for the cold war, there would not have been any rush for any of this! DO WE ALL NEED A HOT WAR THEN NOW???; ( NUCLEAR WARS IN VARIOUS PLACES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD,) TO FURTHER THIS FUCKING STAGNANT COUNTRY ALONG, INSTEAD OF IT BEING STUCK IN THE SLUM SLUMP THAT IT IS PRESENTLY IN; AT LEAST THE WAY THAT TECHNICAL ANTI PROGRESSION IS, IN THIS SLUMBURB OF TULSA OKLAHOMA WHERE I AM CURRENTLY FORCED TO HAVE LIVE, AND TO PUT UP WITH THE CEASELESS SENSELESS BULLSHIT??? > HEALTH, WEALTH, AND HAPPINESS ARE FLEETING GLIMPSES OF THINGS THAT I NEED, BUT THAT I CANNOT HAVE. Welcome to the club called "Life". YEAH; LIFE IN QUOTATION MARKS! MANY TIMES LIFE TENDS TO BE ANTI LIFE. > DEPRIVED OF LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. > DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET SOME CYANIDE OR ARSENIC, IN A SUFFICIENT DOSAGE, TO CALL IT QUITS, ON ENDLESS GO NO WHERE, AND ENDLESS PAIN, SUFFERING AND MISERY?? Do you want to lose? Or to win? IT IS MY WILL TO BE A SURVIVOR, AND A WINNER. If you quit, all is lost. Just like when your father died. > DO ANY MAD SCIENTISTS DELIBERATELY END THEIR LIVES FROM FRUSTRATION AND BROKEN HEARTEDNESS? People do it for any number of reasons. But so what! You are still young, there is still a lot of potential which you can reach. I DO WONDER IF I MAY HAVE A SLIM CHANCE TO RECEIVE A MONEY GRANT FROM THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF STANDARDS AND TECHNOLOGY, IN FORT COLLINS AND BOULDER COLORADO, FOR THE TALKING CLOCK PROJECT THAT I WANT DONE: AND I WANT IT DONE IN AMERICA TOO; NOT IN SHIT TURD WORLD COUNTRY CHINA. All the really good scientists overcame difficulties ranging from lack of cash, CASH. I NEED A GOOD MENTOR IN MY LIFE, WHO IS FINACIALLY SUCCESSFUL IN THE RIGHT TYPE OF BUSINESS/ES. to bad Igors screwing up their experiments BAD IGORS: I WONDER IF I CAN PUT MY BIMBO DUMBASS MOM INTO THE CATEGORY OF AN IGOR, SINCE SHE RUINED MY LOTUS SEEDLING THAT WAS SUCCESSFULLY GROWING. because they thought the experiments went against God! > I AM SICK OF THE ENVIRONMENT OF TULSA, AND OKLAHOMA. > THIS SHITTY AND SHTATE ARE SICK, AND I AM SICK AND TIRED BECAUSE OF THEM. Clyde, the prison is in your mind, Not Oklahoma. NOT NECESSARILY; I WENT TO THE GREEN DAY CONCERT, YESTERDAY NIGHT, IN OKLAHOMA SHITTY, AND AGREE WITH POLITICAL VIEWS THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY CONVEYING: AMERICAN IDIOCY. If it's in your mind, you can change it. MONEY AND ANTIMONEY; ALL IN MY MIND??? IF SO, HOW CAN I BRING FINANCIAL SUCCESS INTO MY LIFE, AND KEEP IT??? Go take a dish of water, drop some light machine oil on it, and look for the rainbow in shallow-angle light. See how pretty it is? You can find some of that type of thing in the real world, and a lot of other things. Flowers growing by the sidewalks, and sometimes through them, cloud formations, etc. Go to photoblogs.com and browse through some of the more interesting photographs, looking at color, composition, etc. There are thousands of photos there, don't get hung up on any one artist who might be having a bad week in some city. There are beautiful nature photos there! Something about Durham County is particularly good. DURHAM COUNTY PHOTO BLOG??? There is beauty all around you, Clyde. You just have to look for it so that your mind can begin to recognize it. You've been in a pressure cooker too long. DAMN STRAIGHT ABOUT THE PRESSURE COOKER! You need to do a little wandering through some photos, and through some empty lots, looking at wildflowers, insects, etc. I WAS HOPING THAT I MIGHT FIND LOTUS FLOWERS GROWING HERE IN TULSA, BUT ALL THAT WOODWARD PARK AND THE TULSA GARDEN CENTER CLUB HAVE, ARE WATER NYMPH-WATER LILLIES. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN WATER LILIES. I WANT TRUE NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWERS, AND I'D LIKE TO DO MY OWN PHOTAGRAPHY OF THEM TOO, IS POSSIBLE FOR ME. That's what rejuvenation the mind. I NEED REJUVENATION TECHNOLOGY,,,, BADLY! 1. ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT. 2. INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY. 3. (NELUMBO NUCIFERA) LOTUS FLOWERS, TO GROW, TO PHOTOGRAPH, AND TO EAT. I used to study till my mind went blank, then wander outside in the evening, letting it decide what was beautiful. Lights reflecting from water, sunset colors, flowers, etc. Life is full of beauty! I AGREE; LIFE IS FULL OF BEAUTY. BUT LIFE IS ALSO FULL OF UGLY, EQUALLY AS WELL. I SEE REALITY IN A DUALITY PERSPECTIVE; AND I DON'T LIKE THAT. You just have to look for it. And when you do, you will see that there is beauty in yourself, too. The way you create things, the questions you sometimes ask... many things you do inspire others. YEAH, I HAVE INSPIRED OTHERS, AND THAT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD, BUT IN THE END, IT ALWAYS SEEMS THAT I FAIL, AND THINGS THAT I DO, TURN OUT IN VAIN. BUT NOT ALWAYS THOUGH! (I mean, just look at what you say here. You inspire me to tell you life is better than you think; and that inspires others. I kind of hope you will get better and inspire others directly, though that does take time.) I HOPE THAT THE MASSIVE LISTS OF WEBLINKS THAT I HAVE SHARED,HAVE HELPED, AND HOPE THAT THEY HAVE INSPIRED OTHERS TOO. I WORKED REALLY HARD THE OTHER DAY, TO FURTHER ALONG MY SIXTH LIST OF REMINDER WEBLINKS, BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT I'M READY ENOUGH YET, AT THIS TIME, TO SHARE THEM WITH OTHERS YET, AS THERE ARE MANY OTHER WEBSITES THAT I'D STILL LIKE TO INCLUDE, AND IT WEARS ME OUT, HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE WEBLINKS, JUST TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THEY ARE EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO OTHERS. IT IS A BIG ENERGY DRAINER FOR ME TO SPEND ALL OF THE TIME, COMPILING ALL OF THOSE WEBLINKS TOGETHER, INTO ONE, COMPLETE, GARGANTUAN WHOLE. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050819/c439b079/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 19:23:17 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 19 19:23:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A NEW SAYING, BY DR. MICHAEL SAVAGE. Message-ID: <20050820022318.9809.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> RADIO TALK SHOW HOST; DR. MICHAEL SAVAGE SAYS THAT LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER. WELL; THAT IS PARTIALLY TRUE. LIBERALISM AND CONSERVATIVISM ARE BOTH, EQUALLY, **ENVIRON-MENTAL** DISORDERS! CLYDE LOFTON __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050819/02f27766/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 19:55:13 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 19:55:17 2005 Subject: REVISED: [Mad-Scientists] Pharmacists Speak on the "Right to Refuse" In-Reply-To: <20050820013706.54762.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 19, 2005 06:37:06 PM Message-ID: <20050820025513.94195.qmail@mall-net.com> > THE PHUCKING PHARMAPSUEDO'S BETTER FUCKING > BE CAREFUL. > THEY ARE WALKING ON EGGSHELLS WITH PEOPLE LIKE ME; > AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHERS OUT THERE > WHO FEEL THE SAME ABOUT ALL OF THE CORRUPTION. > PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE PISSED AT ALL OF THE PHRAUDULENT > PHARMAPSUEDO SHIT THAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES. So are those who know. Not all care, and when it comes time to get help, well... most people are grateful for any help they get. > DO WE THE PEOPLE STILL HAVE THE TEAMWORK FIGHTING > BACK POWER, TO FIGHT ALL OF THE GOD DAMNED > FUCKERS LIKE MERK? They just lost a major lawsuit, and are now more likely to get HURT financially. Perhaps the industry will think more carefully... Or perhaps just jack up prices to compensate. Jail time is required. That short circuit's the bean counters controls. > CERTAIN PLACES IN THE PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL > KOMPLEX NEED TO BE BOMBED STRATEGICALLY. > AND IT ISN'T MY WILL TO BE A TERRORIST. The effectiveness of terrorism is directly proportional to the number of bodies available to become terrorists. As America during the depression and the Jews in WW-II have shown, that number is very low among civilized people. Other historical examples show that this is much, much higher in areas where people have little to lose, such as among refugees. Once people invest in a home, they see a future which is dependent upon law and order helping them maintain ownership of that home. It may not be a great future; but it IS a future. And with that, the potential body count supporting terrorism falls as long as no external force is seen threatening to take that home away. Real wars are fought to preserve a sense of home and a way of life. Brothers are willing to sacrifice for brothers. Neighbors, for the neighborhood and the nation. Therefore, the first goal of terror, is to create a pool of refugees by turning a government against those people. Once theses people don't see a future, they may be recruited by the very people who created the initial problem. Or their children who have not yet bought into that sense of home. As the pharmaceutical industry is generally seen as heling everyone, albeit not alway well, and as most of us see a future, the pharmaceutical industry is not something that many would support acts of terrorism against. And when one person does it, the act cause others to have sympathy for the pharmaceutical industry. Quite the contrast in legal actions. The use of Law is usually seen as protecting the average person against the corporations. Thus legal action is far superior to terrorism on two counts. First, it is repeatable! Since there are no casualties, there is no need of disenfranchised bodies to support the action. Furthermore, the government is seen as providing the infrastructure support for the battle and enforcing the results; thus neither the aggrieved parties in civil suits, nor the prosecutor in criminal actions, need risk life and limb to attain concrete results. Second, the average person does not feel fear in such action, and is thus more likely to support it in all respects. Just look at McVey. Despite his act of terror having specific and reasonable causes (Waco and Ruby Ridge), he did not gather popular support. His action scared the populace! Same for Kazynski. He terrified the populace despite a reasonable message -- technology can make default decisions which are not in your best interests. Indeed it can! Had these two people used a more reasonable means of communication -- publications, lawsuits, etc.; they would likely have been viewed as heros by many. Their resorting to terror destroyed their message, destroyed their reputation, and did the opposite of what they wished to do. That is civilization! > VITAMINS AND MINERALS MAY NOT BE THE ULTIMATE > SOLUTION(S), BUT WHEN WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE > **OUR** POWER CONTROL, OVER THE FUCKERS AT THE > PHARMACOLOGY DICTATORSHIP HEADQUARTERS: > THE F.D.A. (THE FUCKED UP FOOD AND DRUG ADDICTION > ASSOCIATION-ADMINISTRATION.), WHAT THE HELL DO WE > DO? It is difficult! The web has made it easier for us to search out alternatives. Some work, some don't... But again, the web has made it easier for us to find those who have tried this or that therapy, and comment on how it was for them. The number one threat to the pharmaceutical companies is the internet! As to control... we DO have control. We can chose not to take pharmaceuticals, and look for nutritional alternatives first, and pharmaceuticals only when there are no nutritional alternatives. But... in some cases there are NO good alternatives, not even pharmaceuticals. We do die, you know. Part of the dignity of a good life is accepting this and not going bonkers when your time is up. That is not to say you don't do all you reasonably can to see if there are alternatives... but have consideration for others who may live longer. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Aug 19 20:16:28 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Fri Aug 19 20:16:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pharmacists Speak Message-ID: <000e01c5a535$8ea33ec0$6501a8c0@mikey> Vesta has a point, but allow me to extend it to the point of absurdity. If I were in heath care, and ordered to circumcise a newborn boy without his consent, I would refuse. If ordered to withhold treatment from a comatose patient without a Living Will to that effect, I would refuse. But the choice of contraceptive use is made by a sane adult, and the pharmacist only provides the medication. For the pharmacist to refuse to serve the customer on "moral grounds" implies that the pharmacist is attempting to impress his belief structure on another. THIS is unethical. It is tantamount to holding the knife manufacturer liable for the use of his product by a rapist, or the bartender for the drunk driver. Or for that matter, Vesta, should you refuse to pay your taxes because thy support a war some consider unjust? Yes, your tax dollars support the military in Iraq. Why not refuse to buy gasoline, because the Saudis use that profit to support Islamic Jihad? No- we have no responsibility for anyone's salvation other than our own. We are required to show them the path to salvation, but it is their choice to accept or deny it. We will be judged only on our own actions, not the actions of others. And the actions spoken of regarding enforcement of morality upon others are the same as the cause of every religious war in human history, including the present terrorist jihad. Tolerance is the key- not attempting to enforce beliefs upon others. -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 21:17:44 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 21:17:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A NEW SAYING, BY DR. MICHAEL SAVAGE. In-Reply-To: <20050820022318.9809.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 19, 2005 07:23:17 PM Message-ID: <20050820041744.40303.qmail@mall-net.com> > RADIO TALK SHOW HOST; DR. MICHAEL SAVAGE > SAYS THAT LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER. > > WELL; THAT IS PARTIALLY TRUE. > > LIBERALISM AND CONSERVATIVISM ARE BOTH, > EQUALLY, **ENVIRON-MENTAL** DISORDERS! (Chuckle) Some philosopher, I foget who; but I suspect he was French, said that if one is not liberal in one's youth, one does not have a heart. IF one is not conservative in one's maturity, one does not have a mind. We need both, and democracy tends to balance them out and season them a bit with the need to debate both sides. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 21:41:07 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 19 21:41:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REGARDING JOHN DELOREAN. Message-ID: <20050820044107.19008.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> EXCERPTS FROM THE BOOK: HARD DRIVING, (FROM PAGE 126, PARAGRAPHS TWO AND THREE), AUTHORED BY WILLIAM HADDAD; WITH SOME OF MR. HADDAD'S COMMENTARY, A QUOTATION FROM JOHN DELOREAN, AND A LITTLE BIT OF MY ADDED COMMENTS AT THE END: HADDAD: JOHN CONTINUED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES OF OUR DEPENDENCE ON ARAB OIL. HE BELIEVED IN BOTH PRESIDENT NIXON'S AND PRESIDENT CARTER'S PLANS TO MAKE THE NATION SELF-SUFFICIENT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES, BUT EVERY TIME A REPORT ON THE SUBJECT WAS ISSUED, JOHN WAS DISAPPOINTED. DELOREAN: "THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY'RE DOING;" HADDAD: HE SAID. DELOREAN: "A BUNCH OF ACADEMICS WITH THEIR HEADS UP THEIR ASSHOLES ARE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND." HADDAD: JOHN'S ANSWER WAS TO HAVE ME PREPARE A REPORT FOR THE PRESIDENT ON HIS VIEW OF ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT. HE USED EVERY CONTACT IN INDUSTRY HE KNEW, AND I FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH A TEAM OF MY OWN. WHEN THE REPORT WAS COMPLETED, I SENT IT TO PRESIDENT CARTER, TO KEY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, AND TO OTHER INFLUENTIAL AMERICANS. THE WHITE HOUSE AND OTHERS PRAISED IT, AND BEGAN TO CITE IT IN REPORTS. EDITORIALS SOON APPEARED, AND JACK ANDERSON WROTE A COLUMN ON JOHN'S VIEW THAT HYDROGEN WAS THE FUEL OF THE FUTURE. THIS WAS THE JOHN I HAD KNOWN IN GENERAL MOTORS DAYS. MY THOUGHTS/COMMENTS (CLYDE): JOHN DELOREAN'S VIEW ON AMERICAN DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL, AND HIS VIEW ON THE NECESSARY DEVELOPMENT OF COUNTERCONVENTIONAL (ESOTERIC) ENERGY ALTERNATIVES, AND HYDROGEN AS A NATIONAL FUEL, IS IN 100% SYNCHRONOCITY WITH THE WAY THAT I FEEL. CAN HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN BE EASILY SPLIT FROM WATER, USING ONLY TUNED SONIC ENERGY, TUNED TO A PERFECT RESONANT CAVITY, TO PRODUCE CHEAP AND ABUNDANT HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN GASSES, TO PRODUCE AND BURN THE GASSES AT WILL, SO AS TO WHERE THERE WOULD BE NO NEED OR WORRY, FOR DANGEROUS EXPLOSIVE GARGANTUAN SIZED STORAGE TANKS REQUIRED; ONLY JUST A FULL TANK OF WATER ONLY, AND NOT MUCH ELSE, TO GET US TO PLACES, BOTH EFFICIENTLY AND INEXPENSIVELY??? CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050819/9aa616f2/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 22:29:38 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 22:29:44 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050820021946.34901.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 19, 2005 07:19:46 PM Message-ID: <20050820052938.79240.qmail@mall-net.com> > > I AM SHELL SHOCKED BY REALITY; HYPERTENSION STRESS; POST TRAUMATIC > STRESS; INSOMNIA FROM HELL; NUCLEAR BLAST-SHORT FUSE PERFECTIONISM > TROUBLES; AND RACING THOUGHTS. > > Post traumatic stress disorder is characterized by slow brain wave > forms and low body temperature with some adrenaline spikes. That sounds > more like the opposite of your symtomology. > > I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN. > > But you could look into EMDR, Eye Movement Desensitization and > Reprocessing therapy. > > I PROBABLY WON'T HAVE THE TIME TO RESEARCH INTO THAT SUBJECT MATERIAL. Do you have memories of things which really bother you? Events which keep flashing back in your mind? If not, then EMDR is less likely to be useful. > It really does not matter how they died; what matters is that you > don't give up, or you will have effectively followed their paths a lot > younger! > > I WANT TO BLAST BOTH MY DAD, AND MY GRANDFATHER, BUT MAYBE THAT IS THE WRONG WAY TO THINK. > I FEEL REVENGE IN MY HEART, BUT THE FEELINGS OF REVENGE ARE ONLY TEARING ME UP INSIDE. If there are specific instances which kindle this, then EMDR would likely be quite useful. But if your anger is physiologically based, and your father and grandfather are just convenient targets, then I don't know how useful EMDR would be. > > THAT IS WHY I NEED TO COMPLETE E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT, AND TO SLOW > MY RACING HYPER VELOCITY THOUGHT PATTERNS, WAY WAY DOWN, TO ALPHA > SERENITY; AND TO USE E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. > > Alpha numbs the mind. I think Theta would be more appropriate, > > IF 7.83 C.P.S. (CYCLES PER SECOND) IS ALPHA, THEN AT > WHAT FREQUENCY DOES THE THETA RANGE BEGIN, AND > AT WHAT FREQUENCY DOES THETA RANGE END??? 7.83 is the middle of Theta. Alpha is around 12. As you slip below 5hz, memory starts failing because the nerve cells have enough time to heal between pulses. And with that, you slip into sleep. There is some stuff on brain waves and health at http://www.sitepsych.com/alt/bioergo/bwaves.html > > INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY NEEDS TO BE FURTHER MASS > PRODUCED, FOR ALL OF US EQUALLY, AND WITH QUALITY HERE IN THE STATES, > NOT IN COMMUNIST CRAP WORTHLESS SHODDY SHIT GARBAGE CHINA. > > > Well, the choice is whether you can afford it or not. $500 from > China, or $3000 from the USA. > > > I CHOOSE $3000.00, FROM THE U.S.A., BECAUSE I HAVE ZERO LOVE FOR CHINESE GARBAGE. But do you chose nothing in stead of something? That is often the choice. Most chose something, even if it is chinese. > I THINK THAT MASSES OF PEOPLE WOULD BECOME ADDICTED, IF RESONANT REJUVENATION THERAPY WERE MASS PRODUCED, AT WORLD WAR TWO AMERICAN WAR MACHINE SPEED. It would take a major, highly visible need to get our industry to do that. 10% - 25% of our people wanting -- asking retailers for it -- would get some action. But nothing short of the threat of conquest would get that level of cooperation. > I'VE SEEN THE GOOD SIDE OF AMERICA JUST AS EQUALLY AS THE BAD SIDE OF AMERICA. I really don't think so. > > I WANT AMERICA TO BE AMERICA AGAIN! > > It's always been America, only different. > > > NOT THIS FUCKING WARZONE BETWEEN THE FUCKING COMMUNIST LIBERALS, AND > THE FUCKING FASCIST CONSERVATIVES. given that they are not shooting at each other with guns, nor throwing rocks at each other, I'd say it wasn't a war zone. > The extremes are, of course, extreme. But there is a lot in the > middle. More in the middle than near the edges. > > YEAH, AND THERE IS ALSO VERY MUCH HORSESHIT BULLSHIT NONSENSE DISINFOMATION IN THE MIDDLE TOO, AS EQUALLY AS AT THE EDGES. Given that people talk in the middle, I think most of the lies end up exposed rather quickly in the minddle grounds. And not just by the opposition, either! A lot of middle of the road Republicans hate Falwell. > > IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE FALL OF THE BERLIN WALL WAS NOT SUCH A GOOD > THING TO HAPPEN FOR ANY OF US. > > Any change brings good and bad. I think the fall of the Communists > was a very good thing for the USA, and for the world. However... we > appear to have not taken the best steps after it. > > THAT IS RIGHT; WE HAVEN'T TAKEN THE BEST STEPS TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. We don't have the vision. > Also, we paid a very high price for our cold war efforts; but we > did not appreciate what those efforts did for our technology. The cold > war started resulting in our national highway system, space exploration, > better weather forecasts (saving tens of thousands of lives each year), > computer technology (Von Neumann, Grace Hopper, et al developing the > first real computers.), Integrated circuits, and a host of other things > which we take for granted. > > If it had not been for the cold war, there would not have been any > rush for any of this! > > DO WE ALL NEED A HOT WAR THEN NOW???; ( NUCLEAR WARS IN VARIOUS PLACES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD,) TO FURTHER THIS FUCKING STAGNANT COUNTRY ALONG, INSTEAD OF IT BEING STUCK IN THE SLUM SLUMP THAT IT IS PRESENTLY IN; AT LEAST THE WAY THAT TECHNICAL ANTI PROGRESSION IS, IN THIS SLUMBURB OF TULSA OKLAHOMA WHERE I AM CURRENTLY FORCED TO HAVE LIVE, AND TO PUT UP WITH THE CEASELESS SENSELESS BULLSHIT??? I don't think we need a hot war. Oh, one will come, war always comes sooner or later. But not tomorrow. We need leaders with some vision. Ronald Reagan had vision, and got it across. > > HEALTH, WEALTH, AND HAPPINESS ARE FLEETING GLIMPSES OF THINGS THAT I > NEED, BUT THAT I CANNOT HAVE. Well, it's all relative. Health, yes, you do need more of; but you are better off than quite a lot of people in Africa, even a fair number in America. Wealth is relative. Many in other parts of the world would consider you wealthy. As for happiness, there is that wonderful saying, "Happy people don't make history." But I have been laying the path to happiness in front of you over and over, and you just don't want to try it. Seems you don't really want happiness. The Dalai Lama says that "human relations besed on mutual compassion and love are fundamentally important to human happiness." Happiness does not derive just from human relations. Dogs too, evoke much of this compassion and warmth. I miss my two Roamenough Dogs. When they roamed enough, they'd drop by for a visit. They were the perfict dog friends. Sometimes we walked together, sometimes just sat. And then, they would go one their way. I loved those two guys, and I know they loved me. But their owner moved, and so they left. I miss them. (Sniff.) We were just very, very good friends. It's like that with humans. Good friends own themselves. They come, they share, then they leave. But it isn't just dogs. One needs to cultivate an appreciation for all of the things around one. Hence my repeated suggestions you take photographs, frame (look at things through a frame to compose), and/or write about things which look beautiful. Wildflowers growing by the road, the shimmer of a thin layer of oil on a puddle in the road, a sunset... When you start looking at these things, relaxing and looking at them, you begin to create a relationship in your brain. You begin to see that you are in a relationship with all that is around you. "Rather than being unhappy and hateful, we should rejoice in the success of others." Easier said than done; but... as you study the successes of others, you begin to see how you may succeed yourself. > Welcome to the club called "Life". > > YEAH; LIFE IN QUOTATION MARKS! > > MANY TIMES LIFE TENDS TO BE ANTI LIFE. That, I think, is rare. Now, I have no love for the city. But I have lived in cities, worked in cities, and found myself happy because I was doing something interesting and useful. You, being in retail, are helping others. Smile at them. Complement them on something. Soon, as you see them take happiness in your complement, you will see yourself as gaining happiness tooo. > > DEPRIVED OF LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I don't think we are deprived of those. > > DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET SOME CYANIDE OR ARSENIC, IN A > SUFFICIENT DOSAGE, TO CALL IT QUITS, ON ENDLESS GO NO WHERE, AND ENDLESS > PAIN, SUFFERING AND MISERY?? > > Do you want to lose? Or to win? > > IT IS MY WILL TO BE A SURVIVOR, AND A WINNER. > > If you quit, all is lost. Just > like when your father died. So look at Tomorrow. Look at how, through your actions today, you can make Tomorrow better. > > > DO ANY MAD SCIENTISTS DELIBERATELY END THEIR LIVES FROM FRUSTRATION AND BROKEN HEARTEDNESS? > > People do it for any number of reasons. But so what! You are > still young, there is still a lot of potential which you can reach. > > I DO WONDER IF I MAY HAVE A SLIM CHANCE TO RECEIVE A MONEY GRANT FROM THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF STANDARDS AND TECHNOLOGY, IN FORT COLLINS AND BOULDER COLORADO, FOR THE TALKING CLOCK PROJECT THAT I WANT DONE: AND I WANT IT DONE IN AMERICA TOO; NOT IN SHIT TURD WORLD COUNTRY CHINA. The Small Business Association would be more appropriate. I took some classes there many years ago. But they tend to want to control things, and to pull the plug quickly when things don't take off, blame someone, and just... It's not a good deal. > I NEED A GOOD MENTOR IN MY LIFE, WHO IS FINACIALLY SUCCESSFUL IN THE RIGHT TYPE OF BUSINESS/ES. Those are hard to find... one finds them by offering to help them, seeking work with them, etc. Then one has to excell and show oneself to be worthy of their mentoring. That's not easy! > BAD IGORS: I WONDER IF I CAN PUT MY BIMBO DUMBASS MOM INTO THE CATEGORY OF AN IGOR, SINCE SHE RUINED MY LOTUS SEEDLING THAT WAS SUCCESSFULLY GROWING. One needs put less value on any one experiment. > > I AM SICK OF THE ENVIRONMENT OF TULSA, AND OKLAHOMA. > > THIS SHITTY AND SHTATE ARE SICK, AND I AM SICK AND TIRED BECAUSE OF THEM. > Clyde, the prison is in your mind, Not Oklahoma. > > > NOT NECESSARILY; I WENT TO THE GREEN DAY CONCERT, YESTERDAY > NIGHT, IN OKLAHOMA SHITTY, AND AGREE WITH POLITICAL VIEWS THAT > THEY ARE CURRENTLY CONVEYING: AMERICAN IDIOCY. > > > If it's in your mind, you can change it. > > MONEY AND ANTIMONEY; ALL IN MY MIND??? Exactly! More antimoney than ways of getting money. If you hate money, you will never get much of it. If you enjoy what you do to get money, the help you bring to others, then opportunities will come your way. > IF SO, HOW CAN I BRING FINANCIAL SUCCESS INTO MY LIFE, AND KEEP IT??? One person can not know what is going on everywhere. The more frends one has, the more opportunities one hears about. And friends are made by sharing, talking, helping. The best friends are those with similar values. > Go take a dish of water, drop some light machine oil on it, and > look for the rainbow in shallow-angle light. See how pretty it is? You > can find some of that type of thing in the real world, and a lot of > other things. Flowers growing by the sidewalks, and sometimes through > them, cloud formations, etc. > > Go to photoblogs.com and browse through some of the more interesting > photographs, looking at color, composition, etc. There are thousands of > photos there, don't get hung up on any one artist who might be having a > bad week in some city. There are beautiful nature photos there! > Something about Durham County is particularly good. > > > DURHAM COUNTY PHOTO BLOG??? Yes... let me find it for you... http://www.DurhamTownship.com/ > There is beauty all around you, Clyde. You just have to look for > it so that your mind can begin to recognize it. You've been in a > pressure cooker too long. > > DAMN STRAIGHT ABOUT THE PRESSURE COOKER! We need to difuse it, to cool it down a little by, well, giving you some sense that all is well with this world. It isn't really, but there is enough well that you can feel well. > I WANT TRUE NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWERS, AND I'D LIKE TO DO MY > OWN PHOTAGRAPHY OF THEM TOO, IS POSSIBLE FOR ME. > That's what rejuvenation the mind. > > > I NEED REJUVENATION TECHNOLOGY,,,, BADLY! > 1. ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT. > 2. INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY. > 3. (NELUMBO NUCIFERA) LOTUS FLOWERS, TO GROW, TO PHOTOGRAPH, AND TO EAT. The brainwave stuff you are working on. Could inversion therapy help you? Or maybe just holding your hands on the top of a door, and letting your body hang limp from those hands. > Life is full of beauty! > > I AGREE; LIFE IS FULL OF BEAUTY. Well... start looking for or at some, describe what you see. > BUT LIFE IS ALSO FULL OF UGLY, EQUALLY AS WELL. Ugliness is a point of view. Is a bat ugly? It is quite functional. > I SEE REALITY IN A DUALITY PERSPECTIVE; > AND I DON'T LIKE THAT. If you can only see two perspectives, you are not very imaginative. > You just have to look for it. And when > you do, you will see that there is beauty in yourself, too. The way you > create things, the questions you sometimes ask... many things you do > inspire others. > > YEAH, I HAVE INSPIRED OTHERS, AND THAT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD, BUT IN THE END, IT ALWAYS SEEMS THAT I FAIL, AND THINGS THAT I DO, TURN OUT IN VAIN. So what! Do it anyway! There was a set of sayings on a wall at Mother Teresa' mission about doing it anyway. I read the book the man who wrote that wrote. (wrote that wrote... chuckle, I guess I'm slowing down for the night.) > > BUT NOT ALWAYS THOUGH! > > (I mean, just look at what you say here. You inspire me to tell > you life is better than you think; and that inspires others. I kind of > hope you will get better and inspire others directly, though that does > take time.) > > I HOPE THAT THE MASSIVE LISTS OF WEBLINKS THAT I HAVE SHARED,HAVE HELPED, AND HOPE THAT THEY HAVE INSPIRED OTHERS TOO. Clyde, it doesn't matter. You have created a contrast, triggered some thought, and between us, taken this dead list and made it alive again. > I WORKED REALLY HARD THE OTHER DAY, TO FURTHER ALONG MY SIXTH LIST OF REMINDER WEBLINKS, BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT I'M READY ENOUGH YET, AT THIS TIME, TO SHARE THEM WITH OTHERS YET, AS > THERE ARE MANY OTHER WEBSITES THAT I'D STILL LIKE TO INCLUDE, AND IT WEARS ME OUT, HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE WEBLINKS, JUST TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THEY ARE EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO OTHERS. > IT IS A BIG ENERGY DRAINER FOR ME TO SPEND ALL OF THE TIME, COMPILING ALL OF THOSE WEBLINKS TOGETHER, INTO ONE, COMPLETE, GARGANTUAN WHOLE. Yes. I built a web site around that concept. Mall-Net. Sad that fades... Link rot, they call it. People move on, change the focus of their web sites, and before you know it, your links are broken. Time to pave Mall-Net's hot list area and link stuff over and start again. Want me to put your links up at Mall-Net? -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 22:52:04 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 22:52:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REGARDING JOHN DELOREAN. In-Reply-To: <20050820044107.19008.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 19, 2005 09:41:07 PM Message-ID: <20050820055204.94378.qmail@mall-net.com> > DELOREAN: > "THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY'RE > DOING;" They stil don't! > EDITORIALS SOON APPEARED, AND JACK ANDERSON > WROTE A COLUMN ON JOHN'S VIEW THAT HYDROGEN > WAS THE FUEL OF THE FUTURE. THIS WAS THE JOHN > I HAD KNOWN IN GENERAL MOTORS DAYS. Yep. Hydrogen... But hydrogen isn't a primary fuel, like oil. It is, at best, an medium of energy conveyance. It is like saying, "Copper is the electricity of the future! If we can just make enough copper, we will have all the electricity we need!" Well, it can help move the electricity and if we spin the copper fast enough, it can help Make the electricity from some other form of energy. Let me repeat that: From some OTHER form of Energy! And that is exactly what hydrogen is -- copper wires! A way of trucking energy from one place to another. > JOHN DELOREAN'S VIEW ON AMERICAN DEPENDENCE > ON FOREIGN OIL, AND HIS VIEW ON THE NECESSARY > DEVELOPMENT OF COUNTERCONVENTIONAL (ESOTERIC) > ENERGY ALTERNATIVES, AND HYDROGEN AS A NATIONAL > FUEL, IS IN 100% SYNCHRONOCITY WITH THE WAY THAT And how, pray tell, does one make hydrogen? Splitting water. Ok... but how does one split water? Well, you put electrodes in the water and... um... electricity does the rest. And where does the electricity come from? Ohh... Solar? Wind power? Natural gas? Oil??? Coal???? All of those can be used to produce the electricity to produce the hydrogen. But... you still have to buy the electricity. > I FEEL. > CAN HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN BE EASILY SPLIT FROM > WATER, USING ONLY TUNED SONIC ENERGY, TUNED TO > A PERFECT RESONANT CAVITY, TO PRODUCE CHEAP > AND ABUNDANT HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN GASSES, TO Well, you still have to put energy in to split the hydrogen from the oxygen. Mike? How much energy? > PRODUCE AND BURN THE GASSES AT WILL, SO AS TO > WHERE THERE WOULD BE NO NEED OR WORRY, FOR > DANGEROUS EXPLOSIVE GARGANTUAN SIZED STORAGE > TANKS REQUIRED; ONLY JUST A FULL TANK OF WATER > ONLY, AND NOT MUCH ELSE, TO GET US TO PLACES, > BOTH EFFICIENTLY AND INEXPENSIVELY?? What, a tank of water in the car, then make it as you drive? But you still need energy, and I rather suspect that it's easier to store that energy in batteries and use it in motors; than split hydrogen, compress it, store it, and then burn it in an internal combustion engine. Methane from methane clathrates off shore, all over the world, has four times the total energy reserves as oil. But CH4 is less dense, and thus harder to handle than C8H18. Less energy per gallon. A LOT less energy per gallon! You still need energy. Hydrogen isn't an energy source, it's an energy transport medium. Politicians are not scientists. they stil think that Gasohol is important to their elections. Yes, they are right about that! The corn lobby certainly contributes as much as they can to their re-election! But it's a waste of energy to grow corn for Gasohol, not a source. (Or maybe the economics have finally changed, now that real oil is priced so high. But how much of America do you have to plant with corn to meet our national energy needs?) The answer is Nuclear and methane clathrates for the short run. Solar and wind as a medium range, and nuclear fusion for the long run. At least, that's my opinion. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 23:17:45 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 23:17:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050820052938.79240.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Aug 20, 2005 05:29:38 AM Message-ID: <20050820061745.7248.qmail@mall-net.com> > > As you slip below 5hz, memory starts failing because the nerve > cells have enough time to heal between pulses. And with that, you slip > into sleep. > > There is some stuff on brain waves and health at > http://www.sitepsych.com/alt/bioergo/bwaves.html > I forgot to mention, this is not a public set of pages. You can look at them, all the list members can look at them, but they aren't meant for the average person. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 23:41:07 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 19 23:41:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REGARDING JOHN DELOREAN. In-Reply-To: <20050820055204.94378.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050820064107.19485.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> > CAN HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN BE EASILY SPLIT FROM > WATER, USING ONLY TUNED SONIC ENERGY, TUNED TO > A PERFECT RESONANT CAVITY, TO PRODUCE CHEAP > AND ABUNDANT HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN GASSES, TO Well, you still have to put energy in to split the hydrogen from the oxygen. YEAH; THE ENERGY THAT I AM REFERING TO, IS ACOUSTIC ENERGY, AND ACOUSTIC ENERGY ONLY, APART FROM THE ELECTRICAL ENERGY 'POWER', FOR THE ULTRASONIC TRANSDUCER, OR MICRO STEAM / AIR WHISTLE, IN COMBINATION WITH A TUNED CAVITY. Mike? How much energy? ELECTRICAL ENERGY + 'MICRO' HIGH DECIBEL ACOUSTIC ENERGY. > PRODUCE AND BURN THE GASSES AT WILL, SO AS TO > WHERE THERE WOULD BE NO NEED OR WORRY, FOR > DANGEROUS EXPLOSIVE GARGANTUAN SIZED STORAGE > TANKS REQUIRED; ONLY JUST A FULL TANK OF WATER > ONLY, AND NOT MUCH ELSE, TO GET US TO PLACES, > BOTH EFFICIENTLY AND INEXPENSIVELY?? What, a tank of water in the car, then make it as you drive? YES; JUST AS A CARBORATOR AND FUEL INJECTOR SPIT FUEL INTO A SMALL CAVITY CHAMBER TO BURN AT WILL; THE SAME WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO WATER, AS LONG AS THE CAVITY IS FABRICATED TO A FREQUENCY THAT MATCHES THE FREQUENCY OF THE ULTRASONIC TRANSDUCER, OR MICRO STEAM / AIR WHISTLE THAT IS BEING USED. But you still need energy, and I rather suspect that it's easier to store that energy in batteries. YES. I AGREE. and use it in motors; than split hydrogen, compress it, store it, and then NO; THAT WAY WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF INEFFICIENT + EXPLOSIVELY DANGEROUS. burn it in an internal combustion engine. I'VE READ THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE THAT WAY, BUT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NECESSARILY TRUE THOUGH. IT WAS SOMETHING FOR ME TO SERIOUSLY PONDER. WELL MY BRAIN IS NEARLY DEAD FOR THIS DAY. I NEED TO TRY TO GET SOME SLEEP BEFORE WORK TOMORROW (TODAY), THIS MORNING AT 7:00 A.M. C.S.T. I'LL REPLY BACK TO THE OTHER E-MAIL TOMORROW, IF THERE WILL BE ENOUGH TIME. LATER, CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050819/0b41cabf/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 19 23:50:08 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 19 23:50:14 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REGARDING JOHN DELOREAN. In-Reply-To: <20050820064107.19485.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 19, 2005 11:41:07 PM Message-ID: <20050820065008.19334.qmail@mall-net.com> > > CAN HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN BE EASILY SPLIT FROM > > WATER, USING ONLY TUNED SONIC ENERGY, TUNED TO > > A PERFECT RESONANT CAVITY, TO PRODUCE CHEAP > > AND ABUNDANT HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN GASSES, TO > > Well, you still have to put energy in to split the hydrogen from > the oxygen. > > YEAH; THE ENERGY THAT I AM REFERING TO, IS ACOUSTIC ENERGY, AND ACOUSTIC ENERGY ONLY, APART FROM THE ELECTRICAL ENERGY 'POWER', FOR THE ULTRASONIC TRANSDUCER, OR MICRO STEAM / AIR WHISTLE, IN COMBINATION WITH A TUNED CAVITY. Does not matter. Energy is energy. Acoustic energy is basically heat energy. And unlike electric, you then have to separate the O2 from H2 before they cool enough to react. So you have a hot cell rather than a cold cell. For small scale, the cold electrical cell is probably the way to go. Much, much simpler. For massive industrial scale conversion, I don't know. > What, a tank of water in the car, then make it as you drive? > > YES; JUST AS A CARBORATOR AND FUEL INJECTOR SPIT FUEL INTO A SMALL CAVITY CHAMBER TO BURN AT WILL; THE SAME WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO WATER, AS LONG AS THE CAVITY IS FABRICATED TO A FREQUENCY THAT MATCHES THE FREQUENCY OF THE ULTRASONIC TRANSDUCER, OR MICRO STEAM / AIR WHISTLE THAT IS BEING USED. Hmmm... > But you still need energy, and I rather suspect that it's easier to > store that energy in batteries. > > YES. > > I AGREE. > > and use it in motors; > > than split hydrogen, compress it, store it, and then > > NO; THAT WAY WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF INEFFICIENT + EXPLOSIVELY DANGEROUS. > > burn it in an internal combustion engine. > > I'VE READ THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE THAT WAY, BUT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NECESSARILY TRUE THOUGH. > IT WAS SOMETHING FOR ME TO SERIOUSLY PONDER. You want to break it and burn it in the same cavity? > WELL MY BRAIN IS NEARLY DEAD FOR THIS DAY. Clyde, how many hours of sleep do you get? -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 23:58:04 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 19 23:58:09 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050820061745.7248.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050820065804.49190.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > As you slip below 5hz, memory starts failing because the nerve > cells have enough time to heal between pulses. And with that, you slip > into sleep. I GUESS I'D INDUCE BRAIN DEATH, AT A PURE, D.C. E.M. FIELD. AT PERHAPS EVEN THE SLIGHTEST AMPLITUDE; MAYBE I SHOULD SAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR A DOOMSDAY SCENARIO, IF THINGS DON'T TURN OUT FOR THE BETTER IN THE FUTURE, AND I HAVE TO PUT MYSELF TO (BRAIN) DEATH, IN PERFECT PEACE. I DON'T LIKE TALKING LIKE THAT, BUT WHAT THE HELL. > There is some stuff on brain waves and health at > http://www.sitepsych.com/alt/bioergo/bwaves.html I LIKE THAT WEBLINK THE BEST, OUT OF EVERY ONE THAT YOU'VE FORWARDED, FROM YOUR WEBSITE. I forgot to mention, this is not a public set of pages. You can look at them, all the list members can look at them, but they aren't meant for the average person. I WAS GOING TO WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW TO ASK, BUT I'LL ASK RIGHT NOW. SINCE YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION COPYRIGHTED, WOULD YOU GIVE ME PERMISSION TO RELAY THE ABOVE WEBLINK TO DIETER DOEPFER; THE OWNER OF THE GERMAN DOEPFER SOUND SYNTHESIZER COMPANY, WHO HELPED TO MAKE KRAFTWERK'S ELECTRONIC AND COMPUTER MUSIC FAMOUS, SO THAT MR. DOEPFER CAN THEN FORWARD THE WEBLINK TO FLORIAN SCHNEIDER, OF KRAFTERK? IF IT CAN HELP OUT IN MY ALTERNATIVE LYRICS TO RADIOACTIVITY THAT I HAVE WRITTEN. IT'S PART OF THE 'FAMOUS' GREAT RADIO CONTROVERSY. I NEED TO GO AND GET SOME SLEEP; I'M NEXT TO BRAIN DEAD RIGHT NOW. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050819/f963d0f7/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 00:02:35 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 20 00:02:38 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REGARDING JOHN DELOREAN. In-Reply-To: <20050820065008.19334.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050820070235.22106.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > WELL MY BRAIN IS NEARLY DEAD FOR THIS DAY. Clyde, how many hours of sleep do you get? REALITY FOR ME HAS BECOME CHAOTIC INSOMNIA; NOT GOOD FOR MY HEALTH, I THINK. I NEED TO CALL IT A DAY / NIGHT. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050820/7feaf601/attachment-0001.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 20 00:47:45 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 20 00:47:49 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050820065804.49190.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 19, 2005 11:58:04 PM Message-ID: <20050820074745.43234.qmail@mall-net.com> > javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > As you slip below 5hz, memory starts failing because the nerve > > cells have enough time to heal between pulses. And with that, you slip > > into sleep. > > I GUESS I'D INDUCE BRAIN DEATH, AT A PURE, D.C. E.M. FIELD. Near DC, but DC ends up not producing any stimulus. > > There is some stuff on brain waves and health at > > http://www.sitepsych.com/alt/bioergo/bwaves.html > > I LIKE THAT WEBLINK THE BEST, OUT OF EVERY ONE THAT YOU'VE > FORWARDED, FROM YOUR WEBSITE. Thankyou. I wrote that some ten years ago. > > SINCE YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION COPYRIGHTED, WOULD YOU GIVE ME PERMISSION TO RELAY THE ABOVE WEBLINK TO DIETER DOEPFER; THE OWNER OF THE GERMAN DOEPFER SOUND SYNTHESIZER COMPANY, WHO HELPED TO MAKE KRAFTWERK'S ELECTRONIC AND COMPUTER MUSIC FAMOUS, SO THAT MR. DOEPFER CAN THEN FORWARD THE WEBLINK TO FLORIAN SCHNEIDER, OF KRAFTERK? No. this is private stuff related to my own research. I am sharing it with you because I think it may help you. > IF IT CAN HELP OUT IN MY ALTERNATIVE LYRICS TO RADIOACTIVITY THAT I HAVE WRITTEN. I hate rock music!!! I absolutely do not want any of my research associated with rock music! Ever! I enjoy classical music, slow things. My favorites are Satie, Debussey, and a few others who wrote good slow classical music. It's really sad they don't write good harmonious classical music anymore. The keying for modern music just does not resolve tension, it boosts tension. It's crap! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 20 00:52:14 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 20 00:52:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REGARDING JOHN DELOREAN. In-Reply-To: <20050820070235.22106.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 20, 2005 12:02:35 AM Message-ID: <20050820075214.45256.qmail@mall-net.com> > > Clyde, how many hours of sleep do you get? > > REALITY FOR ME HAS BECOME CHAOTIC INSOMNIA; NOT GOOD FOR MY HEALTH, I THINK. Correct. Try to get 8 hours. Realistically, we are more evolved to get 10 hours of sleep. I have a good friend, IQ 190, who needs 10 hours or his brain does not work well. But when it works... Wow! Do everything you can to see if getting 8 or more hours helps you. If that means an inflatable mattress, good pillows, whatever, then do it. Just make sure the plastic of the inflatable does not bother you. It might. You may also do better if you get enough tryptophan rich foods in the evening for serotonin and melatonin generation. Yes, bananas, etc. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Aug 20 08:44:26 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Aug 20 08:44:30 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The fallacy of hydrogen Message-ID: <002701c5a59e$0baa67a0$6501a8c0@mikey> In answer to John's question, the amount of energy needed to split water into hydrogen and oxygen gases is exactly the same as the amount of energy produced by burning the resultant gases to produce water. The precise number of joules per mole I will have to look up in the CRC Handbook, and I haven't the time to do this at the moment. And there are conversion losses! If electricity is used, then resistance to the current creates heat, which is a loss. Sonic methods, *IF* they actually work, incur more conversion losses. Compressing the hydrogen for storage heats the gas- more thermal losses! Then how is it used? In an internal combustion engine with a power conversion factor of perhaps 0.3??? Why not use a three-phase AC Tesla motor with a power factor of 0.9- THREE TIMES more efficient! And carrying around a tank of water, which weighs 50% more than gasoline, just to hydrolyse to provide fuel to burn in an internal combustion engine is absolutely ludicrous! Ditch the water, and use the energy source to run the prime mover directly! Why introduce a half-dozen more conversion losses? That dog don't hunt. Hydrogen is an energy transport medium- and a damn inefficient one, at that! Its only advantage is that it burns cleanly, a really great political selling point to the Kneeo-Jerks! But these fools refuse to see that all it does is move the production of energy away from their backyard. And NIMBY rears his ugly head again! There might be a valid use of hydrogen fuel, IF it were produced from solar or nuclear energy sources. In the case of solar, it would take one hellaceously large solar panel to collect enough power to produce any significant amount of hydrogen. Nuke is the way to go- but please tell me whose backyard we put the reactor in? Now for the truly Mad- Man possesses DNA technology. Man well understands photosynthesis. We have the technology to engineer a synthetic biomass that would use sunlight to convert CO2 to a useful fuel. So why do we not do this? I believe that more political power and money may be garnered by maintaining the status quo of the petroleum economy- whether by direct burning of fossil fuels, or the sham of the "hydrogen economy," which is but another method of increasing the demand for oil. Were we not to need anymore Middle Eastern oil, then why would we fight wars in Iraq? And war is incredibly profitable! FDR ended the Depression with WW2, not the Socialist New Deal. Hydrogen makes all kinds of good press- it burns clean, and the MSM fools the laic into thinking it is "free" energy. It is anything but! All it does is hide the burning of fossil fuels from the masses, and INCREASE the need for these fuels! Tailor-made for the despot. -MB From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Aug 20 11:03:41 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Aug 20 11:03:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] More on unintelligent design Message-ID: <003501c5a5b1$7ffcde40$6501a8c0@mikey> Intelligent Design and the Smithsonian Published: August 20, 2005 in _The New York Times_ The Smithsonian Institution can't seem to disentangle itself from the clutches of the anti-evolution crowd. Earlier this year, the Smithsonian's natural history museum discovered to its dismay that it had agreed to be the host and co-sponsor of a movie intended to undercut the theory of evolution and make the case for "intelligent design," the idea that an intelligent agent had a hand in designing the universe. Only after intelligent-design proponents started chortling on the Internet about their stunning coup in co-opting the Smithsonian did museum officials reverse course and withdraw their sponsorship, while allowing the film to be shown. Now comes word that a little-known government office has accused the Smithsonian of retaliating against a scientist who slipped an article promoting intelligent design into an obscure journal that has only very loose connections to the Smithsonian. That judgment, by the United States Office of Special Counsel, a federal agency set up to protect whistle-blowers, is the latest twist in a case that started with the publication of the article last year in the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. Full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/20/opinion/20sat4.html?th&emc=th From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 14:07:16 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 20 14:07:34 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: The fallacy of hydrogen In-Reply-To: <002701c5a59e$0baa67a0$6501a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050820210716.9295.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> Michael Best wrote: And there are conversion losses! If electricity is used, then resistance to the current creates heat, which is a loss. Sonic methods, *IF* they actually work, incur more conversion losses. Compressing the hydrogen for storage heats the gas- more thermal losses! Then how is it used? I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT COMPRESSING THE HYDROGEN FOR STORAGE PURPOSES. I WAS TALKING ABOUT SONICALLY GENERATING HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN GASES ON DEMAND, USING MICRO SONIC ENERGY, AND TUNED CAVITY RESONANCE, AND THEN BURNING IT IMMEDIATELY; LIKE A FUEL INJECTOR WORKS; OR AS A CARBORATOR WORKS, WHEN THEY SPIT A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF GAS INTO THE COMBUSTION CHAMBER TO BE BURNED, IN A COMBUSTION ENGINE, WHEN THE ACCELLERATOR PUMPS THE NEEDED AMOUNT OF FUEL INTO THE COMBUSTION CHAMBER, FOR ACCELLERATION.. In an internal combustion engine with a power conversion factor of perhaps 0.3??? Why not use a three-phase AC Tesla motor with a power factor of 0.9- THREE TIMES more efficient! I'D LIKE TO GET A SHITLOAD OF TESLA THREE PHASE MOTORS, TO USE AS GENERATORS; IT PROBABLY WON'T EVER HAPPEN THOUGH. And carrying around a tank of water, which weighs 50% more than gasoline, just to hydrolyse to provide fuel to burn in an internal combustion engine is absolutely ludicrous! I ONLY USED THE COMBUSTION ENGINE AS AN EXAMPLE; I'VE ALWAYS HATED INFERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES, AND HAVE ALWAYS WANTED A SUPER HYPER EFFICIENT TURBINE ELECTRIC POWERPLANT UNDER THE HOODS OF ALL OF MY VEHICLES, INSTEAD OF INFERNAL FUCKUPTION ENGINES. I KNOW THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO DO THE ENERGY CONVERSION. LIKE YOU SAY BELOW; USE THE SOURCE TO RUN THE PRIME MOVER DIRECTLY. Ditch the water, DITCH THE COMBUSTION ENGINE, AND REPLAVE IT WITH A MICRO TURBINE POWER MEM TYPE OF POWER PLANT. and use the energy source to run the prime mover directly! Why introduce a half-dozen more conversion losses? That dog don't hunt. Hydrogen is an energy transport medium- and a damn inefficient one, at that! Its only advantage is that it burns cleanly, a really great political selling point to the Kneeo-Jerks! But these fools refuse to see that all it does is move the production of energy away from their backyard. And NIMBY rears his ugly head again! There might be a valid use of hydrogen fuel, IF it were produced from solar or nuclear energy sources. In the case of solar, it would take one hellaceously large solar panel to collect enough power to produce any significant amount of hydrogen. Nuke is the way to go- but please tell me whose backyard we put the reactor in? Now for the truly Mad- Man possesses DNA technology. Man well understands photosynthesis. We have the technology to engineer a synthetic biomass that would use sunlight to convert CO2 to a useful fuel. I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS GO IN FORWARD PROGRESS. WELL I JUST GOT OUT OF WORK FOR THE DAY, AND AM REALLY TIRED. I DON'T FEEL LIKE ARGUING ANYMORE, IF I HAVE EVEN PRODUCED A VIABLE ARGUEMENT HERE, AT ALL. -MB CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050820/a33b7815/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 14:07:59 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 20 14:09:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: The fallacy of hydrogen Message-ID: <20050820210800.34364.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> clyde lofton wrote: OK. BURNING HYDROGEN *AND OXYGEN SIMULTANEOUSLY* THEN DOES NOT COUNT, WITH WATER AS THE BYPRODUCT?; AS YOU ONLY MENTION HYDROGEN BELOW, AND NOT THE OXYGEN CONTENT OF THE WATER. GRANTED THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO ARGUE ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SYNTHETIC BIOMASS SOUNDS COOL. LET'S GET THAT INDUSTRY ROLLING, IF POSSIBLE, ON A GRAND SCALE! I'M SICK OF BREATHING SMOG IN THIS DIRTY SLUM-SO-CALLED CITY. GRANTED THOUGH, AUTOMOTIVE SMOG IS ONLY A PORTION OF ALL OF THE ATMOSPHERIC CONTAMINANTS THAT ARE IN THE AIR IN THIS INDUSTRIAL SLUM SHITTY. I'D LIKE TO LIVE FURTHER OUT; IN THE COUNTRY. UNFORTUNATELY I'M A CITY BOY, AND A 900 M.P.H MOLLER SKYCAR PRIVATE COMMUTER V.T.O.L. VEHICLE WON'T WORK; TOO NOISY FROM WHAT I HAVE READ, TOO DAMNED EXPENSIVE, AND F.A.A. LICENSING FEES ARE PROBABLY SKY HIGH AS WELL. CLYDE Michael Best wrote: In answer to John's question, the amount of energy needed to split water into hydrogen and oxygen gases is exactly the same as the amount of energy produced by burning the resultant gases to produce water. The precise number of joules per mole I will have to look up in the CRC Handbook, and I haven't the time to do this at the moment. And there are conversion losses! If electricity is used, then resistance to the current creates heat, which is a loss. Sonic methods, *IF* they actually work, incur more conversion losses. Compressing the hydrogen for storage heats the gas- more thermal losses! Then how is it used? In an internal combustion engine with a power conversion factor of perhaps 0.3??? Why not use a three-phase AC Tesla motor with a power factor of 0.9- THREE TIMES more efficient! And carrying around a tank of water, which weighs 50% more than gasoline, just to hydrolyse to provide fuel to burn in an internal combustion engine is absolutely ludicrous! Ditch the water, and use the energy source to run the prime mover directly! Why introduce a half-dozen more conversion losses? That dog don't hunt. Hydrogen is an energy transport medium- and a damn inefficient one, at that! Its only advantage is that it burns cleanly, a really great political selling point to the Kneeo-Jerks! But these fools refuse to see that all it does is move the production of energy away from their backyard. And NIMBY rears his ugly head again! There might be a valid use of hydrogen fuel, IF it were produced from solar or nuclear energy sources. In the case of solar, it would take one hellaceously large solar panel to collect enough power to produce any significant amount of hydrogen. Nuke is the way to go- but please tell me whose backyard we put the reactor in? Now for the truly Mad- Man possesses DNA technology. Man well understands photosynthesis. We have the technology to engineer a synthetic biomass that would use sunlight to convert CO2 to a useful fuel. So why do we not do this? I believe that more political power and money may be garnered by maintaining the status quo of the petroleum economy- whether by direct burning of fossil fuels, or the sham of the "hydrogen economy," which is but another method of increasing the demand for oil. Were we not to need anymore Middle Eastern oil, then why would we fight wars in Iraq? And war is incredibly profitable! FDR ended the Depression with WW2, not the Socialist New Deal. Hydrogen makes all kinds of good press- it burns clean, and the MSM fools the laic into thinking it is "free" energy. It is anything but! All it does is hide the burning of fossil fuels from the masses, and INCREASE the need for these fuels! Tailor-made for the despot. -MB --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050820/a0def886/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 14:10:48 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 20 14:11:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Jobs Linked to Alzheimer's, Parkinson's In-Reply-To: <48gu4i$1mm5g6q@xtinmta01.xt.local> Message-ID: <20050820211048.43676.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> "NewsMax.com" wrote:To view this email as a web page, go here. Health Alert from NewsMax.com Headlines (Scroll down for complete stories): Study Doubts Melanoma is Epidemic Job Occupations Linked to Alzheimer's, Parkinson's Researchers Looking at Alzheimer's Vaccine Study Links Painkillers, High Blood Pressure 'Healthy' Vegetable Oils Are Usually Dangerous 1. Study Doubts Melanoma is Epidemic Belief that there is an epidemic of deadly melanoma, now being diagnosed at twice the rate it was in 1986 and increasing faster than any other form of cancer, has been challenged by a study published in the current issue of The British Medical Journal. According to the New York Times, Dr. H. Gilbert Welch of the Department of Veterans Affairs in White River Junction, Vt., and Dartmouth Medical School and his two colleagues, Dr. Steven Woloshin and Dr. Lisa M. Schwartz, analyzed melanoma's changing incidence and death rate over time. Using Medicare data to track the swift rise in melanoma cases since 1986 and data compiled by the National Cancer Institute to track the death rate and the number of people with early and late-stage disease the researchers learned that since 1986, skin biopsies have risen by 250 percent, a figure nearly the same as the rise in the incidence of early stage melanoma. They discovered, however, that there was no change in the death rate from the lethal form of skin cancer. They also discovered that the incidence of advanced melanoma disease also did not change. Dr. Welch and his colleagues insist that if there was really an epidemic of melanoma - if for example, something in the environment was causing people to get the skin cancer, scientists should see increases in cancers at all stages. According to the Times, this is what happened with lung cancer caused by smoking, and with other cancers caused by toxic substances. The fact, however, that the increase was seen only in very early stage disease was a tip-off that the epidemic might be less than it appears to be, Dr. Welch explained. This, he says, leads to a difficult question. The point of screening for melanoma is to reduce the death toll from the cancer, yet if screening has not altered the number of patients with advanced disease or lowered the death rate, what is its benefit? "That's the million dollar question," Dr. Welch said. "It certainly raises questions about whether we're doing any good." He and his colleagues added, however, that people who notice suspicious moles or spots should not hesitate to see a doctor. But skin cancer screening, they said, is directed at healthy people who have no reason to suspect that anything is wrong. While admitting that more and more people are having skin biopsies, Dr. Darrell Rigel, a dermatologist in New York, said he questioned Dr. Welch's conclusion that the biopsies were leading to excessive diagnoses of melanoma. "I would say the inverse is more likely," Dr. Rigel said. "There are more melanomas and therefore more biopsies." At the American Cancer Society, Dr. Len Lichtenfeld, an oncologist, told the Times his group reviewed the same data as Dr. Welch and came to a different conclusion. Screening, he said, appears to be saving lives. He cited a trend in the data indicating that the death rate from the disease rose slightly year by year until about a decade ago. That, he told the Times, is consistent with an increase in serious cases of melanoma. Now, he said, "there has been a suggestion in the data that the death rates in the Medicare age group are going down," an effect that would be expected if screening was working, adding that "We agree that some of the melanomas are biologically indolent, but we also feel that when we look at the trend in the data and the suggestion of decreased mortality that there has been a benefit from increased surveillance for the disease." The cancer society, countered Dr. Welch, was "taking tiny, tiny differences" in death rates from year to year and "putting a huge microscope on it." In fact, he said, the death rate has been basically flat since 1986, although it bounces around slightly from year to year as a result of statistical fluctuations. "We don't disagree about the data," Dr. Welch added. "We disagree about the interpretation. We are not arguing that there is zero change in disease burden. We are arguing that most of the newly diagnosed cases are the result of increased screening." The Times recalled that two dermatologists, Dr. Robert Swerlick and Dr. Suephy Chen of Emory University and the Atlanta Veterans Affairs Medical Center, wrote in a 1997 article that while some people might be saved by screening, there also are risks from a melanoma diagnosis. "After a patient has received the diagnosis of melanoma, obtaining insurance can be extremely difficult," they wrote. "The diagnosis of melanoma also results in heightened scrutiny of all first-degree relatives and family members of the patient, and if increased surveillance leads to increased diagnosis, this process may also put them at risk for the diagnosis of melanoma." For his part, Dr. Welch says that early detection "is a double-edged sword and people need to remember that." A few people might be saved because a cancer is found early, he said, but many, many more will be thrown into the medical mill when there is nothing wrong with them. "People should realize that is the price we pay for screening," Dr. Welch said, and although screening is widely promoted, "we ought to know whether it helps." Editor's Note: Cancer can be prevented. Find out the simple, nutritional steps to take. Go Here Now 2. Job Occupations Linked to Alzheimer's, Parkinson's Reuters reported this week that a wide range of occupations, from farming to teaching, may be potential risk factors for degenerative brain diseases, such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease, research findings suggest. In a study of more than 2.6 million U.S. death records, researchers found that a variety of jobs were associated with an increased risk of death from several forms of brain degeneration, namely Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease, early-onset dementia and motor neuron disease. Many of the associations had been seen in earlier research and could potentially be explained by on-the-job exposures to the chemicals that farmers, welders and hairdressers routinely use or inhale. Other findings, however, such as the elevated disease risks among teachers, clergy and bank tellers, are not easily explained, according to the researchers, led by Robert M. Park of the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, Cincinnati, Ohio. In their analysis, Park and his colleagues found that the bank tellers, clergy, aircraft mechanics and hairdressers had highest odds of dying from Alzheimer's disease. For Parkinson's disease, the highest risks were among biological scientists, teachers, clergy members and other religious workers. The risk of death from presenile dementia - a form of dementia that arises before the age of 65 - was greatest among dentists, graders and sorters in industries other than agriculture and, again, clergy. Dr. Blaylock: You Can Prevent Brain Diseases The connection between chemicals and brain disease is not new for readers of The Blaylock Wellness Report, edited by Russell Blaylock, M.D. Dr. Blaylock is a renowned neurosurgeon and nutritionist, and has warned of toxic substances causing an epidemic of brain diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. In a recent report, "Save Your Brain: Protect Yourself from the Ravages of Alzheimer's and Other Diseases," Dr. Blaylock says when brain cells are weakened, either by disease or a lifetime of free-radical damage, they become much more vulnerable to injury by toxins of various types. It is for this reason that you must avoid further injury by avoiding known brain toxins. Among these toxins: Avoid fluoride. Avoid MSG. Avoid pesticides. Avoid vaccinations. Avoid aluminum. Avoid mercury in fillings. For complete details on Dr. Blaylock's report Go Here Now 3. Researchers Looking at Alzheimer's Vaccine Researchers are experimenting with a new nasal vaccine designed to reduce the brain plaque seen in victims of Alzheimer's disease. "It works in mice," said Dr. Howard Weiner. "I think the significance of the experiment is we've discovered a unique way of vaccination that may be of help for Alzheimer's." Weiner, co-director of the Center for Neurologic Diseases at Boston's Brigham and Women's Hospital and Harvard Medical School, told WebMD: "We think it's very exciting. The next step is to see whether it's safe in humans and then we can test to see how efficacious it is." The vaccine mixes an FDA-approved multiple sclerosis drug and another substance that helps stimulate immunity. The vaccine can be given as a nasal spray or as drops. It's designed to activate brain cells called microglia, which clean up a protein known as beta-amyloid that is found in the brain plaque seen in Alzheimer's disease. The researchers found that after the mice were treated with the vaccine, total beta-amyloid levels dropped 73 percent. Weiner added: "It's a totally unique type of vaccine from all the other vaccines that have been tried." Editor's Note: Omega-3 can protect your brain from disease -- Go Here Now 4. Study Links Painkillers, High Blood Pressure Women taking daily amounts of non-aspirin painkillers - such as extra-strength Tylenol - should monitor their blood pressure, doctors say following a new study suggesting a link between the drugs and hypertension. "If you're taking these over-the-counter medications at high dosages on a regular basis, make sure that you report it to your doctor and you're checking your blood pressure," said Dr. Christie Ballantyne, a cardiologist at the Methodist DeBakey Heart Center in Houston who had no role in the study. While many popular over-the-counter painkillers have been linked before to high blood pressure, acetaminophen, sold as Tylenol, has generally been considered relatively free of such risk. It is the only one that is not a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug or NSAID, a class of medications the federal government just required to carry stricter warning labels because of the risk for heart-related problems. Those include ibuprofen (sold as Advil and Motrin) and naproxen (sold as Aleve). Many had turned to those painkillers in the wake of problems with prescription drugs, such as Vioxx. However, the new study found that women taking Tylenol were about twice as likely to develop blood pressure problems. Risk also rose for women taking NSAIDS other than aspirin. The research found that aspirin still remains the safest medicine for pain relief. It has long been known to reduce the risk of cardiovascular problems and was not included in the government's requirement for stricter labels for NSAIDs. The study involved 5,123 women participating in the Nurses Health Study at Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston. None had had high blood pressure when it began. Results were published online Monday in the American Heart Association journal Hypertension. "It certainly sets the basis for more studies," said Dr. Stephanie Lawhorn, a cardiologist at St. Luke's Mid America Heart Institute in Kansas City. "Most of the time we think that things like acetaminophen are fairly safe drugs." The study found that women ages 34-77 who took an average daily dose of more than 500 milligrams of acetaminophen - one extra-strength Tylenol - had about double the risk of developing high blood pressure within about three years. Women 51-77 who take more than 400 mg a day of NSAIDS - equal to say two ibuprofen - had a 78 percent increased risk of developing high blood pressure over those who didn't take the drug. Those ages 34-53 had a 60 percent risk increase. "We are by no means suggesting that women with chronic pain conditions not receive treatment for their pain," lead author Dr. John Phillip Forman, of Harvard Medical School and associate physician at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, said in an e-mail. "By pointing out risks associated with these drugs, more informed choices can be made by women and their clinicians." Previous research linking these drugs to blood pressure problems did not look at dose. The results in this study held up even when researchers excluded women who were taking pills for headaches, something that could itself be a result of very high blood pressure, said Dr. Gary Curhan, another study author also of Harvard Medical School. As for why aspirin didn't raise risk, it might be because "aspirin has a different effect on blood vessels than NSAIDS and acetaminophen have," said Dr. Daniel Jones, dean of the school of medicine at University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson. ? 2005 The Associated Press Editor's Note: Blood pressure medications have serious side effects. Use the natural supplement that reduces blood pressure. Go Here Now 5. 'Healthy' Vegetable Oils Are Usually Dangerous Atherosclerosis is the scientific name for the process responsible for hardening of the arteries - the condition that leads to heart attacks and strokes. Back in the 1930s, studies indicated that elevated levels of cholesterol might cause accumulations of crud in arteries, thus hardening them. Corn oil was used in these studies to dissolve the cholesterol so that the test animals could eat it, and today, corn oil is even promoted as a cholesterol-lowering oil. But the irony here is that polyunsaturated vegetable oils such as corn oil are easily oxidized and produce rancid oils, much like rancid milk. When oxidized, these oils trigger inflammation and create free radicals. Both free radicals and chronic inflammation have been shown to cause atherosclerosis! So remember, the chemical composition of polyunsaturated fats found in many vegetable oils oxidizes rapidly, causing inflammation and free radical production. Research today shows that these early researchers mistakenly assumed it was the cholesterol causing the problem when the corn oil itself was the real cause. In fact, only when cholesterol is oxidized does it have any relationship to atherosclerosis. When oxidized, cholesterol becomes highly irritating to tissues, including those making up the walls of blood vessels. So the "healthy" vegetable oils being touted - such as corn, soybean, safflower, sunflower and canola - are contributing to the oxidation of cholesterol. Editor's Note: Find out how to protect your heart from bad fats -- Go Here Now Editor's Notes: Cancer can be prevented. Find out the simple, nutritional steps to take. Go Here Now Omega-3 can protect your brain from disease -- Go Here Now Blood pressure medications have serious side effects. Use the natural supplement that reduces blood pressure. Go Here Now Find out how to protect your heart from bad fats -- Go Here Now TO ADVERTISE For information on advertising at NewsMax.com, please contact Corrine McNurlin via e-mail or call 888-766-7542. TO SUBSCRIBE If this News Alert has been forwarded to you and you would like a subscription, please visit: http://www.newsmax.com/email.shtml Sign up for NewsMax e-mail alerts today! To remove your e-mail address from our list or to modify your profile, Go Here. We respect your right to privacy. View our policy. 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> style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><= > FONT=20 > style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= > =3D2> =20 > I really wish you'd set your mail handler to conform to internet=20 Lord have mercy, is this what you see when I send mail ? If it is, let me know and I will get my son over here and perhaps he can show me how to write and send some other way. It will give me a chance to visit with the rotten kid. All those years I bust my butt to feed ,cloth,and educate the twerp--so how does he pay me back ???? He spends all his time with this woman he married and they in turn devote all their time to their kid, and the kid is just as rotten as his dad. No time left for his parents " strains of Cats In The Cradle" floating through my mind. By the by, there is a museum devoted to the Evolution of Appliances. I believe it is located in the basement of the Smithsonian in D.C. There is also a collection of toasters on display in Chicago. A couple of Dudes display with great pride the results of 10 thousand hours of searching and collecting, to bring to the American public the most authentic collection of toasters and waffle irons known to man. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050820/560c162d/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Aug 20 16:45:02 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 20 16:45:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. Message-ID: <90.64476d33.30391a7e@aol.com> In a message dated 8/19/2005 10:20:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWER Clyde, I went online to see what and where we could find you this Lotus plant you wish to grow, kill and then smoke. I know the Egyptians were ga-ga over the lotus, you see it everywhere in the ancient paintings and stone work. I believe you may find lotus symbols as often if not more then the Anuk. .( I know the spelling is wrong but i am too tired to look it up) . About 5 or 6 years ago I watched a gardening show about the lotus of Egypt. There is one place in England that has a blue lotus that is a 2nd. or 3rd. generation of a plant that, as of today, no one on earth really knows if this is the true species of lotus that enraptured the people. And why or how did the plant cause such a sensation ? Let you in on a little secret Clyde, my good friend has a son who bought leaves of a South American plant, a form of Sage plant. It is legal here in New Hampshire----I refuse to tell you the name of this plant as it is still sold in a lot of states and I don't know if it is legal where you are. Anyway, I have known about this plant, the Wicca faith here use it to fly sometimes, and there was interest about growing it in green houses since there was no law against it. This plant is so dangerous that I found sites on the web warning dopers to be ever of careful of this craze inducing drug. O.K. the son of my buddy bought some of this from a head shop , went home ,rolled a joint and after smoking, alone, not knowing the effects of the herb, damn near killed his family. Big time nightmare trip for the kid, not to mention his family including the 3 children between the ages of 3 and 7 who he chased about with a knife. This kid is a grown man 23 years old and he experimented with an unknown drug alone, no life guard to pull him out of the effects or make sure he didn't harm himself or others. Clyde, I really think the idea of growing or smoking anything you have no idea of the effects of can put you in the place of not coming down for breakfast. Also, The American Indians are the only ancient peoples from anywhere on earth that I have heard of smoking anything, and that was tobacco. South Americans EAT or CHEW coco leaves, they don't smoke them. Indians ate for religious reasons Payote, and that was once or twice in a life time. The drugs of South East Asia were for thousands of years, up to today , ingested. It was the British that taught the Chinese to smoke opium. Clyde please don't smoke anything. Want to get high, bake Mary Jane Brownies or go 6 weeks without a cigarette and then smoke one, make you buzz like hell. We all look forward to your posts, sometimes you make me so mad I could smack you. Then there are times when I nod and to myself knowing just how you feel. Been there done that. I think we all have walked a mile in your shoes at sometime in our lives. Now for the hard part Clyde, we can relate to you---- can you relate to us ???? We have our rants and pains, our problems, can you understand or feel our pain ?? Clyde, if you want a friend, you must be a friend. In other words, Clyde, we care about you, do you care about us ????? Don't ignore me Clyde, I want answers to my questions, you can give them to us, no more one way help, how about you giving us some of your ideas to help us. Time to listen to our problems and try to give us advise----This is what friends do, I hope you will be a friend to us, we are willing to be ,and have been your friend. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050820/651c7830/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Aug 20 19:50:02 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Aug 20 19:50:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Nanotubes Rule! Message-ID: <000301c5a5fb$072f93a0$6501a8c0@mikey> Nanotubes show their strength in numbers Super-strong sheets could be used in future screens and surfaces By Kathleen Wren Science Updated: 4:07 p.m. ET Aug. 18, 2005 WASHINGTON - Carbon nanotubes, the wunderkind molecules of the nanoworld, are finally showing strength in numbers. Researchers have now made large nanotube sheets that have many of the same star qualities as the prima donna-like single molecules, bringing the promises of nanotechnology a step closer to reality. The flexible, transparent sheets can conduct electricity and emit light or heat when a voltage is applied, leading their creators to propose that our car windows and the canopies of military aircraft could contain nearly invisible antennae, electrical heaters for defrost, or informative optical displays. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8976160/ From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Aug 20 20:32:52 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Aug 20 20:33:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Playing God for Man's benefit! Message-ID: <000601c5a601$03828270$6501a8c0@mikey> Researchers creating life from scratch 'Synthetic biologists' build with one genetic molecule at a time Updated: 8:48 a.m. ET Aug. 19, 2005 AP- BERKELEY, Calif. - They're called "synthetic biologists" and they boldly claim the ability to make never-before-seen living things, one genetic molecule at a time. They're mixing, matching and stacking DNA's chemical components like microscopic Lego blocks in an effort to make biologically based computers, medicines and alternative energy sources. The rapidly expanding field is confounding the taxonomists' centuries-old system of classifying species and raising concerns about the new technology's potential for misuse. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9005023/ From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Aug 20 20:43:18 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Aug 20 20:43:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] totally weird! Message-ID: <000701c5a602$788ab9b0$6501a8c0@mikey> Violent or erotic images cause momentary periods of "emotion-induced blindness" By Melanie Moran Published: August 11, 2005 If your partner seems to be ignoring you after a flash of nudity on the television screen, it might not be his or her fault: A new psychological study finds that when people are shown violent or erotic images they frequently fail to process what they see immediately afterwards. http://exploration.vanderbilt.edu/news/news_rubberneck.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 20 21:20:19 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 20 21:20:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Nanotubes Rule! In-Reply-To: <000301c5a5fb$072f93a0$6501a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Aug 20, 2005 10:50:02 PM Message-ID: <20050821042019.82750.qmail@mall-net.com> > > Nanotubes show their strength in numbers > Super-strong sheets could be used in future screens and surfaces > > The flexible, transparent sheets can conduct electricity and emit light or > heat when a voltage is applied, leading their creators to propose that our > car windows and the canopies of military aircraft could contain nearly > invisible antennae, electrical heaters for defrost, or informative optical > displays. Yes, but researchers have also shown carbon nanotubules are highly injurious to lung tissue. So wear and abrasion results may prove carcinogenic. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Aug 20 21:32:34 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Aug 20 21:32:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] How to help others read email... Message-ID: <000901c5a609$5aa69430$6501a8c0@mikey> 1) Don't use AOL 2) Don't use HTML 3) DO use Plain (ASCII) Text 4) DO limit width to sixty characters 5) NO ATTACHMENTS! 6) When replying, use some method to indicate which portions are old, and which are new, e.g.: indentation, the ">" character, etc. In a nutshell, follow the email netiquette from the early 1980's. And when in doubt, default to the most primitive system. -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 20 21:54:47 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 20 21:54:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler In-Reply-To: <1ec.419085aa.3038f709@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Aug 20, 2005 05:13:45 PM Message-ID: <20050821045447.97160.qmail@mall-net.com> > > > --===============0272658312== > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="-----------------------------1124572425" > > > -------------------------------1124572425 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > O.k., so how can we help you John to be able to read, with comfort our mail > that is in Html. Once upon a time, in a galaxy far far away, (Earth, 1998) there was a web browser with a mail handler that had the option of turning off HTML mail. And all the web consultants, sick and tired of working with it at work, decreed on the threat of expulsion, that none of them would use HTML mail, and would use that option of their mail handler to turn it off. then there arose a Darth Vader type who said unto his minions, all these people are not using my tools. I giveth you this new web browser which haveth HTML mail enabled all the time. Go use it to break down their open source protocols, browsers and all such un-evil things that walketh the web. And lo, the minions of Darth Vader of Rudemond went forth and multiplied, vexing those who did cleave to open protocols. Those of pure heart clung to the open protocols. But alas, most did not see why one should forsake the new arcane protocols, for they did allow multi-splendored things to be seen, such as images of bottles of v ails, see alice, and the agri of vi. Not to mention the plasticizers of various bodily parts, and even ferengi women with clothes on!!! Wooo! (And some Ferengi were said to have gone blind at this!) Or for humans, similar mates without such clothes. Then there arose in the dungeons of doom, viruses. ANd they used the impure arcane protocols to confound people's viewers, creating many billions of dollars of losses to industry, and forcing people to actually think while their computers were being restored by the minions of IT, formerly called various names such as EDP, DPD, CDP, and PDP. > > > > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7>> > e_document=20 > > face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> > >

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In a message dated 8/17/2005 5:57:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 > > javilk@mall-net.com writes:

> > > style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px > solid"><= > > FONT=20 > > style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 > size= > > =3D2> =20 > > I really wish you'd set your mail handler to conform to > internet=20 > > Lord have mercy, is this what you see when I send mail ? If it is, let me > know and I will get my son over here and perhaps he can show me how to write > and send some other way. Yep. A screen and a half of it, sometimes more, before regular text. And followed by even worse, which allegedly replicates the regular text. > It will give me a chance to visit with the rotten kid. All those years I > bust my butt to feed ,cloth,and educate the twerp--so how does he pay me back > ???? He spends all his time with this woman he married and they in turn > devote all their time to their kid, and the kid is just as rotten as his dad. > No time left for his parents " strains of Cats In The Cradle" > floating through my mind. You are lucky. Your jeans will continue. All I got from my short marriage was a slightly used 13 year old who left by the time he was 14. > By the by, there is a museum devoted to the Evolution of Appliances. I > believe it is located in the basement of the Smithsonian in D.C. I was there in 1982. Fascinating place. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 20 22:05:33 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 20 22:05:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: The fallacy of hydrogen In-Reply-To: <20050820210800.34364.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 20, 2005 02:07:59 PM Message-ID: <20050821050533.2440.qmail@mall-net.com> > BURNING HYDROGEN *AND OXYGEN SIMULTANEOUSLY* THEN > DOES NOT COUNT, WITH WATER AS THE BYPRODUCT?; AS > YOU ONLY MENTION HYDROGEN BELOW, AND NOT THE OXYGEN > CONTENT OF THE WATER. > GRANTED THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO ARGUE ANYTHING > ABOUT IT. Yes, but you got us thinking! > SYNTHETIC BIOMASS SOUNDS COOL. > LET'S GET THAT INDUSTRY ROLLING, IF POSSIBLE, ON A GRAND > SCALE! First the prottotype to prove that it works. It might not. Or it might work all too well! And then what do we do about ground water??? > I'M SICK OF BREATHING SMOG IN THIS DIRTY SLUM-SO-CALLED > CITY. > GRANTED THOUGH, AUTOMOTIVE SMOG IS ONLY A > PORTION OF ALL OF THE ATMOSPHERIC CONTAMINANTS And about half the soot is really dust from tires. > UNFORTUNATELY I'M A CITY BOY, AND A 900 M.P.H MOLLER > SKYCAR PRIVATE COMMUTER V.T.O.L. VEHICLE WON'T WORK; Woo Hoo!, but, um, probably too many collisions wth buildings, each other, etc. I just read that some of the big airline manufacturers keep looking at personal aircraft; but the catch is they need software to run the thing well enough to avoid collisions with buildings and each other. The technology is not up to it yet... yet. > TOO NOISY FROM WHAT I HAVE READ, TOO DAMNED EXPENSIVE, > AND F.A.A. LICENSING FEES ARE PROBABLY SKY HIGH AS > WELL. FAA fees are a function of many things, not the least of which is Congress. You offer personal aircraft that are automated enough; and those fees will drop under congressional pressure as the big aircraft manufacturers apply strong lobbying pressure. (Not to mention the people.) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 20 22:13:11 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 20 22:13:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: How to help others read email... In-Reply-To: <000901c5a609$5aa69430$6501a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Aug 21, 2005 12:32:34 AM Message-ID: <20050821051311.6334.qmail@mall-net.com> > In a nutshell, follow the email netiquette from the early 1980's. And when > in doubt, default to the most primitive system. Laughing! Just visited the most primitive system rental... 1700's like buildings made of salvaged things on a mountain. Little buildings on many levels of narrow terracing to make the most use of the mountain. Mold. Mildew. Rotting leaves. Compost... "we return to the soil all we take out..." We ue buildings that are 8x8 and 8x10, so as to avoid the need for permits, etc. etc. LEMMEOUTAHERE!!!! And I thought I was in a lousy place!!! ARRGGHH!!! Interesting person though. Very, very tired from al th driving... bed early. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From texastjs at swbell.net Sun Aug 21 07:36:48 2005 From: texastjs at swbell.net (Tim) Date: Sun Aug 21 07:37:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Message of Vesta In-Reply-To: <20050821034325.8E41339839@kang.vjc.com> References: <20050821034325.8E41339839@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <43089180.6010600@swbell.net> mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG wrote: >Send Mad-Scientists mailing list submissions to > mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >You can reach the person managing the list at > mad-scientists-owner@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Mad-Scientists digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mail Handler (Vesta111@aol.com) > 2. Re: Re: PLEASE REPLY. (Vesta111@aol.com) > 3. Nanotubes Rule! (Michael Best) > 4. Playing God for Man's benefit! (Michael Best) > 5. totally weird! (Michael Best) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:13:45 EDT >From: Vesta111@aol.com >Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler >To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >Message-ID: <1ec.419085aa.3038f709@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >O.k., so how can we help you John to be able to read, with comfort our mail >that is in Html. > > > > >> bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7>> >> >> >e_document=20 > > >>face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> >>

In a message dated 8/17/2005 5:57:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 >> javilk@mall-net.com writes:

>>> style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px >> >> >solid"><= > > >>FONT=20 >> style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 >> >> >size= > > >> =3D2> =20 >> I really wish you'd set your mail handler to conform to >> >> >internet=20 > >Lord have mercy, is this what you see when I send mail ? If it is, let me >know and I will get my son over here and perhaps he can show me how to write >and send some other way. > > It will give me a chance to visit with the rotten kid. All those years I >bust my butt to feed ,cloth,and educate the twerp--so how does he pay me back >???? He spends all his time with this woman he married and they in turn >devote all their time to their kid, and the kid is just as rotten as his dad. >No time left for his parents " strains of Cats In The Cradle" >floating through my mind. > >By the by, there is a museum devoted to the Evolution of Appliances. I >believe it is located in the basement of the Smithsonian in D.C. > There is also a collection of toasters on display in Chicago. A >couple of Dudes display with great pride the results of 10 thousand hours of >searching and collecting, to bring to the American public the most authentic >collection of toasters and waffle irons known to man. > > Regards Vesta >No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And >those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050820/560c162d/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:45:02 EDT >From: Vesta111@aol.com >Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. >To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >Message-ID: <90.64476d33.30391a7e@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >In a message dated 8/19/2005 10:20:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: > >NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWER >Clyde, I went online to see what and where we could find you this Lotus >plant you wish to grow, kill and then smoke. > I know the Egyptians were ga-ga over the lotus, you see it everywhere >in the ancient paintings and stone work. I believe you may find lotus >symbols as often if not more then the Anuk. .( I know the spelling is wrong but >i am too tired to look it up) . > >About 5 or 6 years ago I watched a gardening show about the lotus of Egypt. >There is one place in England that has a blue lotus that is a 2nd. or 3rd. >generation of a plant that, as of today, no one on earth really knows if this >is the true species of lotus that enraptured the people. And why or how did >the plant cause such a sensation ? > >Let you in on a little secret Clyde, my good friend has a son who bought >leaves of a South American plant, a form of Sage plant. It is legal here in New >Hampshire----I refuse to tell you the name of this plant as it is still sold >in a lot of states and I don't know if it is legal where you are. >Anyway, I have known about this plant, the Wicca faith here use it to fly >sometimes, and there was interest about growing it in green houses since there >was no law against it. This plant is so dangerous that I found sites on the >web warning dopers to be ever of careful of this craze inducing drug. > > O.K. the son of my buddy bought some of this from a head shop , went >home ,rolled a joint and after smoking, alone, not knowing the effects of the >herb, damn near killed his family. Big time nightmare trip for the kid, >not to mention his family including the 3 children between the ages of 3 and >7 who he chased about with a knife. This kid is a grown man 23 years old >and he experimented with an unknown drug alone, no life guard to pull him out >of the effects or make sure he didn't harm himself or others. > >Clyde, I really think the idea of growing or smoking anything you have no >idea of the effects of can put you in the place of not coming down for >breakfast. > >Also, The American Indians are the only ancient peoples from anywhere on >earth that I have heard of smoking anything, and that was tobacco. > South Americans EAT or CHEW coco leaves, they don't smoke them. Indians >ate for religious reasons Payote, and that was once or twice in a life time. > The drugs of South East Asia were for thousands of years, up to today , >ingested. It was the British that taught the Chinese to smoke opium. > Clyde please don't smoke anything. Want to get high, bake Mary Jane >Brownies or go 6 weeks without a cigarette and then smoke one, make you buzz >like hell. > > We all look forward to your posts, sometimes you make me so mad I could >smack you. >Then there are times when I nod and to myself knowing just how you feel. >Been there done that. I think we all have walked a mile in your shoes at >sometime in our lives. > >Now for the hard part Clyde, we can relate to you---- can you relate to us >???? >We have our rants and pains, our problems, can you understand or feel our >pain ?? > > Clyde, if you want a friend, you must be a friend. In other words, Clyde, >we care about you, do you care about us ????? > Don't ignore me Clyde, I want answers to my questions, you can >give them to us, no more one way help, how about you giving us some of your >ideas to help us. Time to listen to our problems and try to give us >advise----This is what friends do, I hope you will be a friend to us, we are willing to >be ,and have been your friend. > Regards Vesta > >No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And >those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050820/651c7830/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:50:02 -0400 >From: "Michael Best" >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Nanotubes Rule! >To: >Message-ID: <000301c5a5fb$072f93a0$6501a8c0@mikey> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Nanotubes show their strength in numbers >Super-strong sheets could be used in future screens and surfaces > >By Kathleen Wren >Science >Updated: 4:07 p.m. ET Aug. 18, 2005 >WASHINGTON - Carbon nanotubes, the wunderkind molecules of the nanoworld, >are finally showing strength in numbers. Researchers have now made large >nanotube sheets that have many of the same star qualities as the prima >donna-like single molecules, bringing the promises of nanotechnology a step >closer to reality. > >The flexible, transparent sheets can conduct electricity and emit light or >heat when a voltage is applied, leading their creators to propose that our >car windows and the canopies of military aircraft could contain nearly >invisible antennae, electrical heaters for defrost, or informative optical >displays. > > > >http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8976160/ > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:32:52 -0400 >From: "Michael Best" >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Playing God for Man's benefit! >To: >Message-ID: <000601c5a601$03828270$6501a8c0@mikey> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Researchers creating life from scratch >'Synthetic biologists' build with one genetic molecule at a time > >Updated: 8:48 a.m. ET Aug. 19, 2005 > >AP- BERKELEY, Calif. - They're called "synthetic biologists" and they boldly >claim the ability to make never-before-seen living things, one genetic >molecule at a time. > >They're mixing, matching and stacking DNA's chemical components like >microscopic Lego blocks in an effort to make biologically based computers, >medicines and alternative energy sources. The rapidly expanding field is >confounding the taxonomists' centuries-old system of classifying species and >raising concerns about the new technology's potential for misuse. > > > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9005023/ > > > >To Mad Scientist constituency: I really appreciated what Vesta had to say regarding friendship and the pleasant words she spoke about its reciprocal requirements. I get it. I really don't have anything to add to that. Thank you! Lisa R. Smith >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:43:18 -0400 >From: "Michael Best" >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] totally weird! >To: >Message-ID: <000701c5a602$788ab9b0$6501a8c0@mikey> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Violent or erotic images cause momentary periods of "emotion-induced >blindness" >By Melanie Moran >Published: August 11, 2005 > >If your partner seems to be ignoring you after a flash of nudity on the >television screen, it might not be his or her fault: A new psychological >study finds that when people are shown violent or erotic images they >frequently fail to process what they see immediately afterwards. > > > >http://exploration.vanderbilt.edu/news/news_rubberneck.htm > > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Mad-Scientists mailing list >Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > >End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 53 >********************************************** > > > From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Aug 21 09:08:56 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sun Aug 21 09:09:02 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Violating the speed limit Message-ID: <001a01c5a66a$a2779fa0$6501a8c0@mikey> Light that travels faster than the speed of light >From Science Blog A team of researchers from the Ecole Polytechnique F?d?rale de Lausanne (EPFL) has successfully demonstrated, for the first time, that it is possible to control the speed of light ? both slowing it down and speeding it up ? in an optical fiber, using off-the-shelf instrumentation in normal environmental conditions. Their results, to be published in the August 22 issue of Applied Physics Letters, could have implications that range from optical computing to the fiber-optic telecommunications industry. On the screen, a small pulse shifts back and forth ? just a little bit. But this seemingly unremarkable phenomenon could have profound technological consequences. It represents the success of Luc Th?venaz and his fellow researchers in the Nanophotonics and Metrology laboratory at EPFL in controlling the speed of light in a simple optical fiber. They were able not only to slow light down by a factor of three from its well ? established speed c of 300 million meters per second in a vacuum, but they've also accomplished the considerable feat of speeding it up ? making light go faster than the speed of light. http://www.scienceblog.com/light.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 10:16:10 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 21 10:16:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Violating the speed limit In-Reply-To: <001a01c5a66a$a2779fa0$6501a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050821171610.93111.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> SONOLUMINESCENCE CAN PRODUCE LOW FREQUENCY LIGHT. AND X RAYS AND GAMMA RAYS TRAVEL FAR FASTER IN SPACETIME THAN DOES THE LIGHT PRODUCED BY SONONLUMINESCENCE. LIGHT TRAVELLING FASTER THAN LIGHT; ALL PART OF THE GREAT RADIO CONTROVERSY. ALBERT EINSTEIN WAS A PART OF IT. NIKOLA TESLA WAS A PART OF IT. GUGLIELMO MARCONI WAS A FRAUD OF IT. EDWIN ARMSTRONG WAS A PART OF IT. THOMAS EDISON WAS A CROOK OF IT. NATHAN ROSEN WAS A PART OF IT. LEE DE FOREST WAS A PART OF IT. PHILO FARNSWORTH WAS A PART OF IT. DAVID SARNOFF WAS A CROOK OF IT. AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON, TO THIS DAY. Michael Best wrote: Light that travels faster than the speed of light >From Science Blog A team of researchers from the Ecole Polytechnique F?d?rale de Lausanne (EPFL) has successfully demonstrated, for the first time, that it is possible to control the speed of light ? both slowing it down and speeding it up ? in an optical fiber, using off-the-shelf instrumentation in normal environmental conditions. Their results, to be published in the August 22 issue of Applied Physics Letters, could have implications that range from optical computing to the fiber-optic telecommunications industry. On the screen, a small pulse shifts back and forth ? just a little bit. But this seemingly unremarkable phenomenon could have profound technological consequences. It represents the success of Luc Th?venaz and his fellow researchers in the Nanophotonics and Metrology laboratory at EPFL in controlling the speed of light in a simple optical fiber. They were able not only to slow light down by a factor of three from its well ? established speed c of 300 million meters per second in a vacuum, but they've also accomplished the considerable feat of speeding it up ? making light go faster than the speed of light. http://www.scienceblog.com/light.html --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050821/a91859b7/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 10:28:26 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 21 10:28:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Playing God for Man's benefit! In-Reply-To: <000601c5a601$03828270$6501a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050821172826.22908.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> COOL STUFF. Michael Best wrote: Researchers creating life from scratch 'Synthetic biologists' build with one genetic molecule at a time Updated: 8:48 a.m. ET Aug. 19, 2005 AP- BERKELEY, Calif. - They're called "synthetic biologists" and they boldly claim the ability to make never-before-seen living things, one genetic molecule at a time. They're mixing, matching and stacking DNA's chemical components like microscopic Lego blocks in an effort to make biologically based computers, medicines and alternative energy sources. GOOD! The rapidly expanding field is confounding the taxonomists' centuries-old system of classifying species and raising concerns about the new technology's potential for misuse. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9005023/ CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050821/0fdb16af/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 10:31:45 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 21 10:31:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Nanotubes Rule! In-Reply-To: <000301c5a5fb$072f93a0$6501a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050821173146.95367.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> COOL STUFF HERE TOO. ALTHOUGH THE CARCINOGENIC TOPIC THAT JOHN TALKED ABOUT IN HIS REPLY, MIGHT TURN OUT TO BE A PROBLEM, LIKE HE SAID. CLYDE Michael Best wrote: Nanotubes show their strength in numbers Super-strong sheets could be used in future screens and surfaces By Kathleen Wren Science Updated: 4:07 p.m. ET Aug. 18, 2005 WASHINGTON - Carbon nanotubes, the wunderkind molecules of the nanoworld, are finally showing strength in numbers. Researchers have now made large nanotube sheets that have many of the same star qualities as the prima donna-like single molecules, bringing the promises of nanotechnology a step closer to reality. The flexible, transparent sheets can conduct electricity and emit light or heat when a voltage is applied, leading their creators to propose that our car windows and the canopies of military aircraft could contain nearly invisible antennae, electrical heaters for defrost, or informative optical displays. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8976160/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050821/0210e39a/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 10:41:24 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 21 10:41:29 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050820061745.7248.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050821174124.30388.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > As you slip below 5hz, memory starts failing because the nerve > cells have enough time to heal between pulses. And with that, you slip > into sleep. OK. > There is some stuff on brain waves and health at > http://www.sitepsych.com/alt/bioergo/bwaves.html I LIKE THIS WEBPAGE. I forgot to mention, this is not a public set of pages. You can look at them, all the list members can look at them, but they aren't meant for the average person. OK. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050821/ef3dfcb1/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 12:48:49 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 21 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050820074745.43234.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050821194849.93606.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > As you slip below 5hz, memory starts failing because the nerve > > cells have enough time to heal between pulses. And with that, you slip > > into sleep. > > I GUESS I'D INDUCE BRAIN DEATH, AT A PURE, D.C. E.M. FIELD. Near DC, but DC ends up not producing any stimulus. WELL, D.C. IS FLATLINE! D.C. FLATLINE MIGHT JUST INDUCE BRAIN DEATH, IF USED FOR TOO LONG OF A TIME, AND THEN BODY DEATH FOLLOWING SHORTLY THEREAFTER. > > There is some stuff on brain waves and health at > > http://www.sitepsych.com/alt/bioergo/bwaves.html > I LIKE THAT WEBLINK THE BEST, OUT OF EVERY ONE THAT YOU'VE > FORWARDED, FROM YOUR WEBSITE. Thank you. I wrote that some ten years ago. I ALWAYS THOUGHT THOUGH, THAT ALPHA WAS AT THE VERY LOWEST PORTION OF THE E.M. SPECTRUM, AND NOT THETA; I'M CONFUSED. MY OLD 1970 ALLIED RADIO SHACK DICTIONARY OF ELECTRONICS HAS THE GREEK ALPHABET LISTED IN ITS BACK. BUT ACCORDING TO THE LIST ON THE WEBPAGE ABOVE ON YOUR WEBSITE, IT DOESN'T LIST THE RANGES OF ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT WAVELENGTHS IN THE SAME ORDER AS THE GREEK ALPHABET SYMBOLOGIES ARE LISTED IN THE BACK OF THE OLD ALLIED RADIO SHACK ELECTRONICS DICTIONARY. IT'S A DAMNED SHAME THAT THEY NO LONGER PRODUCE THIS TYPE OF A DICTIONARY FOR EVERYONE OUT THERE, FOR BOTH YOUNG AND OLD ALIKE, WHO HAVE INTERESTS IN ELECTRICITY AND ELECTRONICS TERMINOLOGIES AND FACTS IN THIS MODERN TIME PERIOD; WE ALL JUST GET SOLD CHEAP CHINESE COMMERCIALISM CRAP ASSEMBLY LINE MICROELECTRONICS, FROM THE MODERN RADIO SHACK: RADIO SMACK. > > SINCE YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION COPYRIGHTED, WOULD YOU GIVE ME PERMISSION TO RELAY THE ABOVE WEBLINK TO DIETER DOEPFER; THE OWNER OF THE GERMAN DOEPFER SOUND SYNTHESIZER COMPANY, WHO HELPED TO MAKE KRAFTWERK'S ELECTRONIC AND COMPUTER MUSIC FAMOUS, SO THAT MR. DOEPFER CAN THEN FORWARD THE WEBLINK TO FLORIAN SCHNEIDER, OF KRAFTERK? No. this is private stuff related to my own research. I am sharing it with you because I think it may help you. > IF IT CAN HELP OUT IN MY ALTERNATIVE LYRICS TO RADIOACTIVITY THAT I HAVE WRITTEN. I GAVE THE RIGHTS TO MY ALTERNATIVE LYRICS OF THE SONG: RADIOACTIVITY, TO KRAFTWERK, SINCE I CANNOT DO A PERFECT COVER VERSION OF THAT SONG, TRYING TO LIVE IN THIS FOREVER GO NOWHERE INDUSTRIAL SLUM-WASTELAND, OF TULSA OKLAHOMA; MONEY JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN IN LARGE ENOUGH QUANTITIES, IN SMALL ENOUGH AMOUNTS OF TIME, FOR EVERYONE, ALL OF THE TIME, IN THE SHITTY OF TULSA, AND SHTATE OF OKLAHOMA. I hate rock music!!! I absolutely do not want any of my research associated with rock music! Ever! NO; KRAFTWERK ISN'T NECESSARILY UNDER THE CATEGORY OF ROCK MUSIC. RALF HUETTER AND FLORIAN SCHNEIDER BOTH HAD THEIR TRAINING IN CLASSICAL MUSIC. KRAFTWERK AS THE BAND, STARTED OUT AS COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC, COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL ELECTROACOUSTIC MUSIC, AND COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRONIC MUSIC, AND EVENTUALLY WENT THE WAYS OF BOTH PURELY ELECTRONIC SYNTHETIC ROCK, WITH MELODY AND STYLE, AND ALSO TOWARD TECHNO. PINK FLOYD, IN ENGLAND ON THE OTHER HAND, STARTED OUT, COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL AT NEARLY THE SAME TIME, IN ENGLAND, BUT THEY WENT THE DIRECTION OF ENTIRLEY EXPERIMENTAL ROCK, WITH ELECTRIC GUITARS, ACOUSTIC GUITARS, ACOUSTIC PERCUSSION, AND EXPERIMENTAL SOUND SYNTHESIS AND SYNTHESIZER EQUIPMENT. COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL SOUND SYNTHESIS EQUIPMENT ARE WHERE BOTH KRAFTWERK AND PINK FLOYD RELATE. EXPERIMENTAL SOUND SYNTHESIS. SIMPLIFIED EVEN FURTHER: PINK FLOYD WENT THE DIRECTION OF ROCK. KRAFTWERK WENT THE DIRECTION OF TECHNO. KRAFTWERK THOUGH, HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE COMPLETELY SYNTHETIC ELECTRONIC COMPUTER MUSIC ELECTRONIC ROCK. PINK FLOYD DOES NOT. I HOPE THIS CLARIFIES THINGS A BIT. NEITHER PINK FLOYD, NOR KRAFTWERK, FIT INTO THE CATEGORY OF HEAVY METAL, THRASH METAL, OR OTHER MODERN HEAVY ROCK MUSICAL STYLES. I enjoy classical music, slow things. My favorites are Satie, Debussey, and a few others who wrote good slow classical music. YEAH, I WISH THERE COULD BE MORE CREATIVE COMPOSERS OUT THERE WHO COULD PRODUCE CLASSICAL MUSIC OF THE STYLES LIKE JOHN WILLIAMS: (PRODUCER OF THE MUSIC TO THE STAR WARS TRILOGY, JURASSIC PARK, AND MANY OTHER MOVIES); JOHN WILLIAMS: (THE CLASSICAL GUITAR PLAYER; (I ALSO LIKE CLASSICAL GUITAR MUSIC TOO); DAVID ARNOLD: (PRODUCER OF THE MUSIC TO THE MOVIE: STARGATE); ALAN SYLVESTRI: (COMPOSER OF THE MUSIC TO THE BACK TO THE FUTURE TRILOGY, AS WELL AS OTHER MUSICAL COMPOSITIONS; (I THINK HE DID THE CLASSICAL COMPOSITIONS FOR THE MOVIE: FOREST GUMP, ALSO); DENNIS MCCARTHY: (COMPOSER OF CLASSICAL MUSIC SCORES FOR MANY OF THE MODERN STAR TREK PRODUCTIONS); JERRY GOLDSMITH: (WHO HAS ALSO DONE THE CLASSICAL MUSIC SCORES FOR MODERN STAR TREK PRODUCTIONS; (MY FAVORITE: STAR TREK PRODUCTION: FIRST CONTACT); BRAD FIEDEL: (COMPOSER OF THE EXPERIMENTAL SYNTHETIC SOUND AND MUSIC FOR THE TERMINATOR TRILOGY); AND GUSTAV HOLST: (HIS MUSICAL SCORE OF THE PLANETS, IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE CLASSICAL MUSIC PRODUCTIONS OF THE PAST); ISAO TOMITA: IN 1976, DID AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT, COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRONIC MUSIC RENDITION OF THE PLANETS (OF WHICH I OWN A COPY OF, ON C.D.), ORIGINALLY COMPOSED BY GUSTAV HOLST). It's really sad they don't write good harmonious classical music anymore. The keying for modern music just does not resolve tension, it boosts tension. It's crap! HEAVY METAL, AND OTHER MODERN ROCK ARE THERE, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, BOTH YOUNG AND OLD, ARE FED UP WITH A LOT OF SHIT IN THIS WORLD, AND THOSE STYLES OF MUSIC ARE JUST A NECESSARY FORM OF RELEASE OF TENSION FOR THEM. WHERE WOULD ANY OF US BE, WITHOUT ANY TENSION RELIEF??? ALTHOUGH ON THE OTHER HAND, HEAVY METAL AND OTHER MODERN ROCK, ARE TENSION BUILDERS FOR THOSE OTHERS WHO DON'T CARE TO LISTEN TO THOSE STYLES OF MUSIC. SO IT GOES BOTH WAYS. I HAD TO WAIT UNTIL TODAY, TO REPLY BACK, TO THIS E-MAIL IN FULL DETAIL, INSTEAD OF YESTERDAY. I WENT TO THE LIBRARY FOR A SHORT TIME YESTERDAY, AFTER WORK, TYPED UP THE ORIGINAL TWO OR SO E-MAILS THAT I SENT YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, THEN WENT HOME, AND SLEPT ALL AFTERNOON, AND ALL OF THE WAY THROUGH THE NIGHT. I WAS SO DAMNED TIRED YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, THAT I COULD HARDLY FUNCTION, AFTER WORK. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050821/8a3c3581/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Aug 21 13:08:18 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Aug 21 13:08:22 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050821194849.93606.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 21, 2005 12:48:49 PM Message-ID: <20050821200818.10365.qmail@mall-net.com> > > I GUESS I'D INDUCE BRAIN DEATH, AT A PURE, D.C. E.M. FIELD. > > Near DC, but DC ends up not producing any stimulus. > > WELL, D.C. IS FLATLINE! > D.C. FLATLINE MIGHT JUST INDUCE BRAIN DEATH, IF USED FOR TOO LONG OF A TIME, > AND THEN BODY DEATH FOLLOWING SHORTLY THEREAFTER. Nope. Most things just ignore signals ouy of the bandwidth of their sensitivity. With low frequency magnetics, it appears that the transition itself is the signal, not the polarity. > Thank you. I wrote that some ten years ago. > I ALWAYS THOUGHT THOUGH, THAT ALPHA WAS AT THE VERY LOWEST PORTION OF THE E.M. SPECTRUM, AND NOT THETA; I'M CONFUSED. Alpha is the strongest signal, hence Alpha, as in Alpha male. Alpha is what they do in Transcendental Mediation. Theta is what they do in Zazen meditation. > MY OLD 1970 ALLIED RADIO SHACK DICTIONARY OF ELECTRONICS HAS THE > GREEK ALPHABET LISTED IN ITS BACK. > BUT ACCORDING TO THE LIST ON THE WEBPAGE ABOVE ON YOUR WEBSITE, IT > DOESN'T LIST THE RANGES OF ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT WAVELENGTHS IN THE SAME ORDER AS THE GREEK ALPHABET SYMBOLOGIES ARE LISTED IN THE BACK OF THE OLD ALLIED RADIO SHACK ELECTRONICS DICTIONARY. It depends on the order in which they were discovered, etc. Not everything makes sense when compared with today's knowledge. > It's really sad they don't write good harmonious classical music > anymore. The keying for modern music just does not resolve tension, it > boosts tension. It's crap! HEAVY METAL, AND OTHER MODERN ROCK ARE THERE, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, BOTH YOUNG AND OLD, ARE FED UP WITH A LOT OF SHIT IN THIS WORLD, AND THOSE STYLES OF MUSIC ARE JUST A NECESSARY FORM OF RELEASE OF TENSION FOR THEM. > WHERE WOULD ANY OF US BE, WITHOUT ANY TENSION RELIEF??? > ALTHOUGH ON THE OTHER HAND, HEAVY METAL AND OTHER MODERN ROCK, ARE TENSION BUILDERS FOR THOSE OTHERS WHO DON'T CARE TO LISTEN TO THOSE STYLES OF MUSIC. I do not remeber exactly how this was explained by a musician I know; but aside from differences in beat, the tonal sequences of most modern music are quite diffent from those of classical. The effect was markedly evident when he played a few chords. I have heard some reworked classical by some rock band. It sounded just like their regular trash despite the slightly slower beat. > I WENT TO THE LIBRARY FOR A SHORT TIME YESTERDAY, AFTER WORK, TYPED UP THE ORIGINAL TWO OR SO E-MAILS THAT I SENT YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, THEN WENT HOME, AND SLEPT ALL AFTERNOON, AND ALL OF THE WAY THROUGH THE NIGHT. Good for you! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Aug 21 13:18:59 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Aug 21 13:19:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] More on unintelligent design In-Reply-To: <003501c5a5b1$7ffcde40$6501a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Aug 20, 2005 02:03:41 PM Message-ID: <20050821201859.17310.qmail@mall-net.com> > Now comes word that a little-known government office has accused the > Smithsonian of retaliating against a scientist who slipped an article > promoting intelligent design into an obscure journal that has only very > loose connections to the Smithsonian. That judgment, by the United = The best counter to "intelligent design", is to say that the design of a system which picks the best design, is the most intelligent design there is. That system is called Evolution. Why can't we say that the Creation of Evolution is an intelligent design. Confuse the beswangers out o' dem bubblethumpers. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 13:49:36 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 21 13:49:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REVISED. In-Reply-To: <20050821194849.93606.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050821204936.52646.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: I hate rock music!!! I absolutely do not want any of my research associated with rock music! Ever! NO; KRAFTWERK ISN'T NECESSARILY UNDER THE CATEGORY OF ROCK MUSIC. RALF HUETTER AND FLORIAN SCHNEIDER BOTH HAD THEIR TRAINING IN CLASSICAL MUSIC. KRAFTWERK, AS THE BAND, STARTED OUT AS COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC, COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL ELECTROACOUSTIC MUSIC, AND COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRONIC MUSIC, AND EVENTUALLY WENT THE WAYS OF BOTH PURELY ELECTRONIC SYNTHETIC ROCK, WITH CREATIVITY, MELODY, LYRICS, AND STYLE, BUT MAINLY WENT IN THE DIRECTION OF TECHNO. PINK FLOYD, IN ENGLAND ON THE OTHER HAND, STARTED OUT, COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL AT NEARLY THE SAME TIME, BUT THEY WENT THE DIRECTION OF ENTIRLEY EXPERIMENTAL ROCK, WITH ELECTRIC GUITARS, ACOUSTIC GUITARS, ACOUSTIC PERCUSSION, AND EXPERIMENTAL SOUND SYNTHESIS AND SYNTHESIZER EQUIPMENT. COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL SOUND SYNTHESIS EQUIPMENT ARE WHERE BOTH KRAFTWERK AND PINK FLOYD RELATE. EXPERIMENTAL SOUND SYNTHESIS. SIMPLIFIED EVEN FURTHER: PINK FLOYD WENT THE DIRECTION OF ROCK. KRAFTWERK WENT THE DIRECTION OF TECHNO. KRAFTWERK HAS THE ABILITY TO RE-CREATE (REMIX) THEIR TECHNO TUNES INTO COMPLETELY SLOWED DOWN, SYNTHETIC MELODIOUS ELECTRONIC COMPUTER MUSIC-ELECTRONIC ROCK, IF THEY COULD JUST SLOW, AND MELLOW DOWN SOME OF THEIR FAST PACED, FAST TEMPO'ED, HYPED UP TECHNO/HOUSE STYLED TUNES. KRAFTWERK HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE COMPLETELY SYNTHETIC ELECTRONIC SOUNDSCAPES, WITH MELODY, INTO BOTH TECHNO, AS WELL AS PURELY ELECTRONIC SYNTHETIC COMPUTER MUSIC ROCK. PINK FLOYD HOWEVER, DOESN'T HAVE THAT ABILITY. I HOPE THIS CLARIFIES THINGS A BIT. NEITHER PINK FLOYD, NOR KRAFTWERK, FIT INTO THE CATEGORY OF HEAVY METAL, THRASH METAL, OR ANY OTHER MODERN HEAVY ROCK MUSICAL STYLES. I enjoy classical music, slow things. My favorites are Satie, Debussey, and a few others who wrote good slow classical music. YEAH, I WISH THERE COULD BE MORE CREATIVE COMPOSERS OUT THERE TOO, WHO COULD PRODUCE CLASSICAL MUSIC OF THE STYLES LIKE JOHN WILLIAMS: (PRODUCER OF THE MUSIC TO THE STAR WARS TRILOGY, JURASSIC PARK, AND MANY OTHER MOVIES); ALSO THE OTHER JOHN WILLIAMS: (THE CLASSICAL GUITAR PLAYER; (I ALSO LIKE CLASSICAL GUITAR MUSIC TOO); DAVID ARNOLD: (PRODUCER OF THE MUSIC TO THE MOVIE: STARGATE); ALAN SYLVESTRI: (COMPOSER OF THE MUSIC TO THE BACK TO THE FUTURE TRILOGY, AS WELL AS OTHER MUSICAL COMPOSITIONS; (I THINK ALAN SYLVESTRI DID THE CLASSICAL COMPOSITIONS FOR THE MOVIE: FOREST GUMP, ALSO); DENNIS MCCARTHY: (COMPOSER OF CLASSICAL MUSIC SCORES FOR MANY OF THE MODERN STAR TREK PRODUCTIONS); JERRY GOLDSMITH: (WHO HAS ALSO DONE THE CLASSICAL MUSIC SCORES FOR MODERN STAR TREK PRODUCTIONS AS WELL; (MY FAVORITE: STAR TREK PRODUCTION: FIRST CONTACT); BRAD FIEDEL: (COMPOSER OF THE EXPERIMENTAL SYNTHETIC SOUNDS AND MUSIC FOR THE TERMINATOR TRILOGY); AND GUSTAV HOLST: (HIS MUSICAL SCORE, OF THE PLANETS, IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE CLASSICAL MUSIC PRODUCTIONS OF THE PAST); ISAO TOMITA, IN 1976, DID AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT, COMPLETELY EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRONIC MUSIC RENDITION OF THE PLANETS (OF WHICH I OWN A COPY OF, ON C.D.), ORIGINALLY COMPOSED BY GUSTAV HOLST). ISAO TOMITA'S ELECTRONIC MUSIC PRODUCTION OF THE PLANETS IS NO LONGER IN PRINT AND MANUFACTURE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THOUGH I WISH IT STILL WAS, FOR MANY OTHERS WHO ARE OUT THERE, WHO ALSO ENJOY EXPERIMENTAL AND ETHEREAL ELECTRONIC, AND ELECTROACOUSTIC MUSIC. RADIOACTIVITY IS MY FAVORITE KRAFTWERK ALBUM PRODUCTION, WHICH THEY PRODUCED IN THE YEAR THAT I WAS BORN: 1975. I NEED TO GO GET SOME LUNCH. LATER, CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050821/a79c9aaf/attachment-0001.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Aug 21 14:27:01 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sun Aug 21 14:27:36 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] More on unintelligent design Message-ID: <003201c5a697$1224c7c0$6501a8c0@mikey> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:18:59 +0000 (GMT) From: javilk@mall-net.com > The best counter to "intelligent design", is to say that the design > of a system which picks the best design, is the most intelligent design > there is. That system is called Evolution. > Why can't we say that the Creation of Evolution is an intelligent > design. Confuse the beswangers out o' dem bubblethumpers. This has been my position for many years. I see our Creator in Darwin's theory! How else could it have happened? Look at the intelligence needed to design a system where random variations aggregate to produce Home sapiens! THIS is the penultimate Miracle! The PROOF of a Creator! However, there are many zealots who are quite uncomfortable with the thought that "Faith" is not needed, that there may well be a scientific interpretation of God. But what has Man's science been for all of history? It has been the search for God's Truth of the Universe, unbiased by personal belief. "Science is religion distilled to mathematics." (MB) -MB From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Aug 21 23:56:02 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 21 23:56:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pharmacists Speak Message-ID: <12e.6482b1f8.303ad102@aol.com> In a message dated 8/19/2005 11:16:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mbest@triad.rr.com writes: No- we have no responsibility for anyone's salvation other than our own. We are required to show them the path to salvation, but it is their choice to accept or deny it. We will be judged only on our own actions, not the actions of others. We will be judged only on our own actions, not the actions of others. This is the ideal thought and way of life. Unfortunately this is seldom if ever the case. People are judged by the others they hang out, work, or play with. The Law of the land says that if you are with someone who commits a crime, weather or not you do anything, you are as guilty as the person who did the crime. There is guilty by association, only 60 or so years ago the whole country went crazy with the so called communist hunt here in America. People from the local doctors down to the neighborhood grocers were placed on the hot seat. Actors, writers, directors in the film industry were destroyed. Today, if you work for a stock broker who goes to jail, what are your chances of being employed any place in that industry ???? Family, you live in a small town and your 4 th. cousin 3 times removed is placed on a sex offenders list, anyone remotely related by blood or even having gone to school with the cousin is looked at with a jaundiced eye. People are judged fairly or not by the company they keep, that is why there are allot of us who choose to keep company with ourselves and a good dog. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050821/a2b06ca4/attachment.html From FMoore at POCO.com Mon Aug 22 07:05:53 2005 From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank) Date: Mon Aug 22 07:06:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C974701468B01@pzisexch.poco.com> Well, John... Your experiences are entirely counter to mine. I've used e-mail for about 20 years now... And have used HTML whenever possible since it became available. I prefer the look and greater customizability it offers. But I have also been extremely cautious and careful about what I open. I scan any message that looks like it might contain a virus. And I have also never had a infection of a virus; trojan; or any other e-mail nasty. And between three addys on Verizon and one at work... I get perhaps ten spam e-mails a month. Most people I know who get tons of spam have been less than judicious about giving out their addys. The only addy I have that gets much spam is Hotmail. But that's why I have that account and use it for communications I'm leery of. If Vesta is not e-mail savvy, he may not know where the options are to change the default settings. Especially with AOL. It's been a long time since I used AOL, so I don't recall where they are. Perhaps one of his children can walk him through it. But the main point behind my original message was to let Vesta know that HTML is not a major issue for most people. All members of the List have the same rights. And I really must say that I found your original diatribe on the matter more than a wee bit rude and abusive. Frank F. Moore Project Scientist Poco Graphite, Inc. 300 Old Greenwood Rd. Decatur, TX 76234 Ph: 940-393-4360 Fax: 940-393-8383 FMoore@poco.com -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of javilk@mall-net.com Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 7:18 PM To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler > I think the problem is on his end... not yours. Your e-mails to the > ListServer always look fine to me... And I have no problem seeing the > passages you have quoted from others. They have a blue line that runs > down the left margin. I do notice that they are HTML format, which is > fine to me. I prefer e-mail in HTML. Perhaps Javilk has his server > set to "Plain Text" only? If the receiving mail server automatically > converts HTML to Plain Text, it may jumble things around a bit. All the lists I've used over the last 12 years blocked HTML mail. That includes the web consultant's list, folks who write in HTML for a living. Why? Use to be just because it was excessive; now it's another way of getting viruses. So yes, this computer geek and webmaster does not have HTML mail enabled. Indeed, I am using a mail handler that is incapable of hanling HTML, atchooments etc. And with that, I've not caught any viruses. Ever. (Though it helps that I'm running Linux.) Plus, not all devices out there handle HTML Mail. Of those that do, not everyone enables it for security reasons. And since almost all spam these days is HTML mail, many filter on that! Since I have been getting several hundred spams per hour (and blocking most of them), I usually handle my e-mail on the server without downloading to my machine. As do many with similar situations. That means a simple mail handler which does not do HTML. This is the only HTML Mail source that I allow through my mail filter. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists From FMoore at POCO.com Mon Aug 22 07:10:36 2005 From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank) Date: Mon Aug 22 07:10:40 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pencil Lead Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C974701468B06@pzisexch.poco.com> Good question. Must be one of those "traditional usage" type things. People rarely stop to think about what's in common everyday things, such as pencils. And since even now, I suppose most folks grow up hearing them referred to as "lead pencils"... They just assume that that's what they are and what they contain. ________________________________ From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of Vesta111@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:31 PM To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler By the way, can you tell me why if I were to wander around the campus of most colleges and ask random students what is the material in a pencil they will answer Lead ? I would not ask in any college in Cal. as the answers could cause insanity in pollsters. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050822/39b56fe9/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 22 10:48:03 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 22 10:48:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C974701468B01@pzisexch.poco.com> from "Moore, Frank" at Aug 22, 2005 09:05:53 AM Message-ID: <20050822174803.94581.qmail@mall-net.com> > Your experiences are entirely counter to mine. I've used e-mail > for about 20 years now... And have used HTML whenever possible since it > became available. I prefer the look and greater customizability it > offers. But I have also been extremely cautious and careful about what > I open. I scan any message that looks like it might contain a virus. In other words, you have used e-mail very little. > And I have also never had a infection of a virus; trojan; or any other > e-mail nasty. And between three addys on Verizon and one at work... I > get perhaps ten spam e-mails a month. Most people I know who get tons of > spam have been less than judicious about giving out their addys. The > only addy I have that gets much spam is Hotmail. But that's why I have > that account and use it for communications I'm leery of. I have been "out there" with a lot of pages drawing business to me via e-mail and web interfaces on several sites. To do that, one does have to put one's e-mail address out there. Not that it really matters to spammers anymore. Most just make up addresses based on web directories, common names, and other such nonsense. Aside from writing four to ten pieces on several lists a day, I develop web pages, work on web strategies for clients, write programs that respond to people, etc. At one point, we had over 10,000 subscribers to a set of mailing lists which I created. Several thousand keep bugging me to re-start those mailing lists. Of course, the dot-com crash took its toll. I earn my living on the web. But it's not what it use to be! (And there are a lot more distractions out here than in civilization.) That's part of why I have, at times, seen over 1,000 spams per hour flood my way, crashing our mail handlers, etc. All it takes, is a few people to get a virus, and we get hammered with viruses in the mail. We have since improved matters, but I keep finding customer e-mails in the second level trash cache. Oh, and I have used HTML mail on occasion. It is the best way of determining whether someone on the other end has looked at your e-mail and then connecting him or her to the visitors on your site so that you can know what they are interested in, how long they look at your content, etc. etc. etc. In other words, peeking into potential customer's minds so you can categorize them into psychographic categories and tailor your sales pitch to them in subsequent e-mails. I don't do the last part. I've been offered cash to do that for others, but refused as it leads to spamming. And that does not even go to what one can do with Java and Javascript, which I keep disabled on my browser except when absolutely necessary. That's one of the reasons I discard most HTML mail. It's the first cut on the spam filters. And those which I do read, I read as plain ASCII text to keep something from fetching an invisible image and linking my address to my visits or doing other nasty things. > But the main point behind my original message was to let Vesta > know that HTML is not a major issue for most people. All members of the Most people don't know how HTML mail is used against them. Then again, most people are totally ignorant of almost everything anyway, with small exception of what they do at work. And even then, they are mostly unuse to thinking logically about how things work and how they interact. That's why they have to hire consultants like me. (Not that I know a lot; but I can figure new things out a lot faster than most people.) It's really sad; but it seems like the really smart people don't breed very well. We do see a reduction in cranial size in other species as well, like dogs and cats. > List have the same rights. And I really must say that I found your > original diatribe on the matter more than a wee bit rude and abusive. I am sorry you don't understand the realities of what is going on out there. The internet is now a very hostile place. 90%+ spam, and most viruses and a lot of spam masquerading as e-mail from people you correspond with, sent by armies of zombie machines hired by spammers from virus writers. Much is because the average person is seduced by HTML mail and useless glitz. The Unix community learned very rapidly in the mid 80's from the Morris worm. IBM learned it a little later with another worm. Apple managed to clean up most of its virus holes in about five years of it being out in public photocopy shops. But the Windows community can't seem to grasp this. That is why the proliferation of worms and viruses that this stupidity allows is costing the American economy several billion dollars a year. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. 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The internet is now a very hostile place. 90%+ spam, and most viruses and a lot of spam masquerading as e-mail from people you correspond with, sent by armies of zombie machines hired by spammers from virus writers<<< I am quite cognizant of "what goes on out there", thank-you very much. I participate regularly on several technology and PC bulletin forums and am a Moderator at a couple. While IT isn't my primary function... I cold hardly had had a 28+ year career as an Analytical Chemist utilizing a plethora of state-of-the-art instrumentation without being fairly well versed with computers. I still contend.... With the several dozen or so people I know quite well who make their living in the Cyber World... That your experiences are not the norm. Frank F. Moore Project Scientist Poco Graphite, Inc. 300 Old Greenwood Rd. Decatur, TX 76234 Ph: 940-393-4360 Fax: 940-393-8383 FMoore@poco.com From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 11:31:15 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 22 11:32:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: IAN Inside Products for August 22, 2005 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050822183115.80329.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Instrumentation & Automation News wrote:.text { FONT-SIZE: 12px; LINE-HEIGHT: 17px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif}.head1 { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12px; LINE-HEIGHT: 17px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #000000;}A:link { color: 490d08; text-decoration: none;}A:hover { COLOR: 7d7115; TEXT-DECORATION: none}.text2 { FONT-SIZE: 11px; LINE-HEIGHT: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif}.date { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 14px; COLOR: #669900; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; TEXT-DECORATION: none}.subhead { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 14px; COLOR: #cc0000; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; TEXT-DECORATION: none}.head2 { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11px; LINE-HEIGHT: 17px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif}.subhead2 { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 14px; COLOR: #cc9900; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; TEXT-DECORATION: none}.footer { FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10px; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif}a:visited { color: #666666; text-decoration: none;}.toc { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 14px; COLOR: #669900; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; TEXT-DECORATION: none}.tocx { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 14px; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; TEXT-DECORATION: none}.sponser { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; COLOR: 490d08; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; TEXT-DECORATION: none}.textitalic { FONT-SIZE: 12px; LINE-HEIGHT: 17px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: italic;}.text2italic { FONT-SIZE: 11px; LINE-HEIGHT: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: italic;}August 22, 2005 ? 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050822/46c58320/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 11:35:44 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 22 11:35:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK TO SHARE. Message-ID: <20050822183544.69626.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> WEBLINK TO SHARE: 1. http://www.libertydollar.org/default.asp?REFERER=NRC79506 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050822/3735d6c4/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 13:23:08 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 22 13:23:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: FOR JAVILK. In-Reply-To: <20050820052938.79240.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050822202308.722.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > I WORKED REALLY HARD THE OTHER DAY, TO FURTHER ALONG MY SIXTH LIST OF > REMINDER WEBLINKS, BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT I'M READY ENOUGH YET, AT > THIS TIME, TO SHARE THEM WITH OTHERS, AS THERE ARE MANY OTHER > WEBSITES THAT I'D STILL LIKE TO INCLUDE, AND IT WEARS ME OUT, HAVING TO > GO THROUGH ALL OF THE WEBLINKS, JUST TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THEY ARE > ALL EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO OTHERS. > IT IS A BIG ENERGY DRAINER FOR ME TO SPEND ALL OF THE TIME, COMPILING ALL > OF THOSE WEBLINKS TOGETHER, INTO ONE, COMPLETE, GARGANTUAN WHOLE. Yes. I built a web site around that concept. Mall-Net. Sad that fades... Link rot, they call it. People move on, change the focus of their web sites, and before you know it, your links are broken. Time to pave Mall-Net's hot list area and link stuff over and start again. Want me to put your links up at Mall-Net? YEAH; I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL OF THE LISTS OF WEBLINKS AT YOUR WEBSITE. THAT'D BE COOL. ALTHOUGH I'D LIKE TO GO BACK THROUGH ALL FIVE OF THE ONE'S THAT I ALREADY COMPLETED, AND DO SOME MORE EDITING. RIGHT NOW, I'M TIRED, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL HAVE ANY ENERGY, LATER ON TODAY, TO GO THROUGH ALL OF MY LISTS, AND RE-SAVE THEM, SIDE BY SIDE. I NEED TO REVISE THEM A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050822/939c7809/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Aug 22 14:10:38 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Mon Aug 22 14:10:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK TO SHARE. In-Reply-To: <20050822190001.EF42B3982A@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <008301c5a75d$f29fe750$6501a8c0@mikey> > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:35:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: clyde lofton > > WEBLINK TO SHARE: > > 1. http://www.libertydollar.org/default.asp?REFERER=NRC79506 This is rich! Not only is it illegal and unconstitutional, subverting the tax collector, but exactly HOW are we sure that the coins are really .999 silver and he has metal reserves to cover every paper note? His good word? Then there is another question- what makes one ounce of silver worth $10? Last I checked it was worth only about 75% of that. The way I see it- The coins are worth $7.50, which he sells for $10, a 33% markup. The paper money may or may not be worth the value of the paper, ditto for his "web cash." So, at worst, you receive $30 worth of silver for $107! And he could be telling the truth, but not quite! What if he holds futures contracts, on margin, instead of real silver? Just like banks, it is unlikely that all the printed notes will be presented for redemption at once, so he only needs to hold a relatively small amount of silver to make this scam work. Lots of ways I see a clever con artist can fleece the flock here. -MB From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Aug 22 14:10:45 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Mon Aug 22 14:10:51 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK TO SHARE. In-Reply-To: <20050822190001.EF42B3982A@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <008401c5a75d$f673d2b0$6501a8c0@mikey> > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:35:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: clyde lofton > > WEBLINK TO SHARE: > > 1. http://www.libertydollar.org/default.asp?REFERER=NRC79506 This is rich! Not only is it illegal and unconstitutional, subverting the tax collector, but exactly HOW are we sure that the coins are really .999 silver and he has metal reserves to cover every paper note? His good word? Then there is another question- what makes one ounce of silver worth $10? Last I checked it was worth only about 75% of that. The way I see it- The coins are worth $7.50, which he sells for $10, a 33% markup. The paper money may or may not be worth the value of the paper, ditto for his "web cash." So, at worst, you receive $30 worth of silver for $107! And he could be telling the truth, but not quite! What if he holds futures contracts, on margin, instead of real silver? Just like banks, it is unlikely that all the printed notes will be presented for redemption at once, so he only needs to hold a relatively small amount of silver to make this scam work. Lots of ways I see a clever con artist can fleece the flock here. -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 22 16:14:03 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 22 16:14:07 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mail Handler In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C974701468B9E@pzisexch.poco.com> from "Moore, Frank" at Aug 22, 2005 01:16:00 PM Message-ID: <20050822231403.25226.qmail@mall-net.com> > >>>I am sorry you don't understand the realities of what is going on out > there. The internet is now a very hostile place. 90%+ spam, and most > viruses and a lot of spam masquerading as e-mail from people you > I am quite cognizant of "what goes on out there", thank-you very much. > I participate regularly on several technology and PC bulletin forums and > am a Moderator at a couple. While IT isn't my primary function... I > I still contend.... With the several dozen or so people I know quite > well who make their living in the Cyber World... That your experiences > are not the norm. When you have web pages that get 200 - 400 hits per day, (and sometimes, Rarely, over a thousand hits per hour) and sites that get 3,000 - 5,000 hits per day, or lists with 10,000 members; then things change. Parts for the better, and parts for the worse. You end up in more people's address lists, and so get more viruses and spam headed your when they get knocked over. We see a lot of other interesting stuff in the logs I analyze, both on our sites and for various clients. I know some people get very little spam. I know some who get about as much spam as I do. Most of my smaller clients are in the 1,000 - 5,000 spam per day range. ISPs are working harder now, realizing they lose people due to spam, so there is a lot more "black hole" list based filtering; but some of the black holes end up being important sources as people do get accounts at hotmail, etc. That has helped cut my received spam down. But it's still bad out there, and HTML mail with serialized pictures is used by a lot of places to verify they've hit a live one. Last year, one of the real Gurus I know brought a machine up. He was getting random name spam within 45 minutes of turning the machine on. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 16:57:57 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 22 16:58:01 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK TO SHARE. In-Reply-To: <008301c5a75d$f29fe750$6501a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050822235757.53179.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> ALRIGHT. Michael Best wrote: > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:35:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: clyde lofton > > WEBLINK TO SHARE: > > 1. http://www.libertydollar.org/default.asp?REFERER=NRC79506 This is rich! Not only is it illegal and unconstitutional, subverting the tax collector, but exactly HOW are we sure that the coins are really .999 silver and he has metal reserves to cover every paper note? His good word? Then there is another question- what makes one ounce of silver worth $10? Last I checked it was worth only about 75% of that. The way I see it- The coins are worth $7.50, which he sells for $10, a 33% markup. The paper money may or may not be worth the value of the paper, ditto for his "web cash." So, at worst, you receive $30 worth of silver for $107! And he could be telling the truth, but not quite! What if he holds futures contracts, on margin, instead of real silver? Just like banks, it is unlikely that all the printed notes will be presented for redemption at once, so he only needs to hold a relatively small amount of silver to make this scam work. Lots of ways I see a clever con artist can fleece the flock here. -MB --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050822/3b4e0f17/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 17:21:58 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 22 17:22:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] GOING BANANAS. In-Reply-To: <20050818072154.15290.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050823002158.48459.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: >> ALL OF THESE FUCKING PRESCRIPTION DRUGS OF THE COMMERICIALISM >> OF PHARMACOLOGY, HAVE SO MANY DAMNED SIDE EFFECTS; SIDE >> EFFECTS ARE MORE ACCURATELY PUT AS DIRECT EFFECTS. > Have A Banana BINGO!!! Thank you Vesta! > Depression: > According to a recent survey undertaken by MIND amongst > people suffering from depression, many felt much better > after eating a banana. This is because bananas contain > trypotophan, a type of protein that the body converts > into serotonin known to make you relax, improve your mood > and generally make you feel happier. MAYBE I NEED A LIFETIME SUPPLY OF BANANAS! THERE IS A SONG THAT IS TITLED: SMOKING BANANA PEELS. I NEVER THOUGHT MUCH OF THAT SONG IN THE PAST, BUT IT MAKES ME WONDER WHAT THE EFFECTS OF ACTUALLY SMOKING BANANA PEELS WOULD BE LIKE, NOW. YES!!! Tryptophan is important in maintaining a healthy attitude toward life. Clyde, I think some of your problems may be seratonin/dopamine imbalance. (I'm not a doctor! This is only an educated guess.) ACTUALLY IT IS AN ENTIRE SABOTAGED NEURAL BALANCE THAT I SUFFER FROM. > Blood Pressure: > This unique tropical fruit is extremely high in potassium > yet low in salt, making it the perfect food for helping > to beat blood pressure. So much so, the US Food and Drug > Administration has just allowed the banana industry to > make official claims for the fruit's ability to reduce > the risk of blood pressure and stroke. YES!!! DRASTIC BLOOD PRESSURE FLUCTUATIONS FROM EVEN THE SLIGHTEST ENVIRONMENTAL STRESSORS, BECAUSE I HAVE POLLUTED MY MIND SO MUCH, LISTENING TO SO MUCH ROCK AND ROLL, AND SO MUCH OTHER MUSIC TOO. But you also need to balance that with magnesium. Too much potassium will drain the body's magnesium reserves, and peristalsis, the wave of contractions in your gut, will fail if there is not enough magnesium. Most Americans are low on magnesium. (You get magnesium by eating green veggies. Some also enters the skin if you soak in a hot bath of epsom salts.) I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT MAGNESIUM HELPS ONE TO GO TO SLEEP, WHEN IT IS TAKEN IN THE RIGHT QUANTITY. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THAT IS ACCURATE? > Hangovers: > One of the quickest ways of curing a hangover is to make > a banana milkshake, sweetened with honey. The banana > calms the stomach and, with the help of the honey, builds > up depleted blood sugar levels, while the milk soothes > and re-hydrates your system. I DON'T DRINK ENOUGH ALCOHOL, TO WORRY ABOUT THIS, ABOVE, BUT IT IS GOOD ADVICE FOR THOSE WHO DO. Too much sugar isn't really good for you... but... if you don't have hypoglycemic tendencies... bananas are a good snack. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050822/96a47ae5/attachment-0001.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 22 17:26:52 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 22 17:26:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK TO SHARE. In-Reply-To: <20050822235757.53179.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 22, 2005 04:57:57 PM Message-ID: <20050823002652.79027.qmail@mall-net.com> > ALRIGHT. > > > WEBLINK TO SHARE: > > > > 1. http://www.libertydollar.org/default.asp?REFERER=NRC79506 > > This is rich! Not only is it illegal and unconstitutional, subverting the > tax collector, but exactly HOW are we sure that the coins are really .999 > silver and he has metal reserves to cover every paper note? I am not sure if it is illegal or unconstitutional... That all depends upon how he words it. BUT... > His good word? RIGHT!!! > Then there is another question- what makes one ounce of silver worth $10? > Last I checked it was worth only about 75% of that. Even his lists spot prices that are less than his dollars. So already you have inflation. > The way I see it- The coins are worth $7.50, which he sells for $10, a 33% > markup. The paper money may or may not be worth the value of the paper, > ditto for his "web cash." So, at worst, you receive $30 worth of silver for > $107! Silver goes up and down. So does gold. > And he could be telling the truth, but not quite! What if he holds futures > contracts, on margin, instead of real silver? Just like banks, it is > unlikely that all the printed notes will be presented for redemption at > once, so he only needs to hold a relatively small amount of silver to make > this scam work. Yes. > Lots of ways I see a clever con artist can fleece the flock here. His artwork looks nice. But it's artwork. Today, anyone can print stuff like that, all it takes is a computer and a good printer. So, even if he was totally honest, how secure are the certificates themselves against faking? And who will take them? You've heard the joke about the hillbilly who sends his kid in to the store for something worth less than a buck. The kid gives the clerk a seven dollar bill, and gets two three dollar bills and some wooden nickels as change. I mean, money is money, it's only worth what someone will give you for it. That means if folks don't recognize the issuing source... it's just fancy printed paper. Now that said, there is a guy who draws his own money. It looks sort of like a US bill, but not close enough to be counterfeit. And since he's an artist, his collectors are willing to pay more than face value for his art works. But as an investment, this doesn't quite look reasonable. You're better off buying bars of silver and gold, or maybe look at Krugerands. I don't know the details, it's been a long time since I heard the gold Krugerands coins hyped. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 22 17:32:24 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 22 17:32:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] GOING BANANAS. In-Reply-To: <20050823002158.48459.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 22, 2005 05:21:58 PM Message-ID: <20050823003224.83376.qmail@mall-net.com> > BINGO!!! Thank you Vesta! > > > Depression: > > According to a recent survey undertaken by MIND amongst > > people suffering from depression, many felt much better > > after eating a banana. This is because bananas contain > > trypotophan, a type of protein that the body converts > > into serotonin known to make you relax, improve your mood > > and generally make you feel happier. > > > MAYBE I NEED A LIFETIME SUPPLY OF BANANAS! Too much of anything isn't good. > THERE IS A SONG THAT IS TITLED: SMOKING BANANA PEELS. My father use to sing "Cheapa banana, two for nickel-o, doncha wanit, doncha buyit." > I NEVER THOUGHT MUCH OF THAT SONG IN THE PAST, BUT IT MAKES ME WONDER WHAT THE EFFECTS OF ACTUALLY SMOKING BANANA PEELS WOULD BE LIKE, NOW. As Vesta says, it's not a good idea. > YES!!! Tryptophan is important in maintaining a healthy attitude > toward life. Clyde, I think some of your problems may be > seratonin/dopamine imbalance. (I'm not a doctor! This is only an > educated guess.) > > ACTUALLY IT IS AN ENTIRE SABOTAGED NEURAL BALANCE THAT I SUFFER FROM. We don't know the details. > > Blood Pressure: > > This unique tropical fruit is extremely high in potassium > > yet low in salt, making it the perfect food for helping > > to beat blood pressure. So much so, the US Food and Drug > > Administration has just allowed the banana industry to > > make official claims for the fruit's ability to reduce > > the risk of blood pressure and stroke. > > YES!!! > > DRASTIC BLOOD PRESSURE FLUCTUATIONS FROM EVEN THE SLIGHTEST ENVIRONMENTAL STRESSORS, BECAUSE I HAVE POLLUTED MY MIND SO MUCH, LISTENING TO SO MUCH ROCK AND ROLL, AND SO MUCH OTHER MUSIC TOO. Rock music builds up tension. > But you also need to balance that with magnesium. Too much > potassium will drain the body's magnesium reserves, and peristalsis, > the wave of contractions in your gut, will fail if there is not enough > magnesium. Most Americans are low on magnesium. (You get magnesium by > eating green veggies. Some also enters the skin if you soak in a hot > bath of epsom salts.) > > > I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT MAGNESIUM HELPS ONE TO GO TO SLEEP, WHEN IT IS TAKEN IN THE RIGHT QUANTITY. It can have a relaxing effect. Too much however, and you get the trots. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 18:05:49 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 22 18:05:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK TO SHARE. In-Reply-To: <20050823002652.79027.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050823010550.51748.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > ALRIGHT. > > > WEBLINK TO SHARE: > > > > 1. http://www.libertydollar.org/default.asp?REFERER=NRC79506 > This is rich! Not only is it illegal and unconstitutional UNCONSTITUTIONAL? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IF THE PEOPLE GET SO FUCKING FED UP AT BILL CLINTON AND GEORGE BUSH, BOTH, EQUALLY SELLING THIS COUNTRY OUT. BILL CLINTON: SELLOUT TO COMMUNIST CHINA. GEORGE BUSH JR.: CONTINUED SELLOUT TO COMMUNIST CRAP CHINA, AND BILLION DOLLAR SELLOUT, TO IRAQ. , subverting the > tax collector, but exactly HOW are we sure that the coins are really .999 YEAH; TESTING NEEDS TO BE DONE, TO VERIFY THE AUTHENTICITY. > silver and he has metal reserves to cover every paper note? I am not sure if it is illegal or unconstitutional... That all depends upon how he words it. BUT... > His good word? RIGHT!!! > Then there is another question- what makes one ounce of silver worth $10? > Last I checked it was worth only about 75% of that. YEAH; LET'S JUST MAKE A BUCK SILVER, OR HELL; PLATINUM NOW, INSTEAD OF FUCKING GOD DAMNED PAPER! Even his lists spot prices that are less than his dollars. So already you have inflation. > The way I see it- The coins are worth $7.50, which he sells for $10, a 33% > markup. The paper money may or may not be worth the value of the paper, > ditto for his "web cash." So, at worst, you receive $30 worth of silver for > $107! LET'S JUST MAKE A BUCK; SILVER, OR PLATINUM, WITH HIS EXACT SAME LADY LIBERTY ARTISTRY! Silver goes up and down. So does gold. YEAH. > And he could be telling the truth, but not quite! What if he holds futures > contracts, on margin, instead of real silver? Just like banks, it is > unlikely that all the printed notes will be presented for redemption at > once, so he only needs to hold a relatively small amount of silver to make > this scam work. Yes. LIKE MERLE HAGGARD'S SONG: I WISH A BUCK WAS STILL SILVER. WHY ISN'T HE JUST MAKING AUTHENTIC SILVER LIBERTY DOLLARS, AND ONLY LEAVING IT THAT? > Lots of ways I see a clever con artist can fleece the flock here. His artwork looks nice. YEAH; THE LADY LIBERTY ARTWORK LOOKS GOOD. But it's artwork. Today, anyone can print stuff like that, all it takes is a computer and a good printer. YEAH! So, even if he was totally honest, how secure are the certificates themselves against faking? YEAH; HE DOESN'T PRESENT A CONCRETE WAYS AND MEANS OF BACKING UP HIS CURRENCY. I HATE NETWORK MARKETING SCHEMES; SO MANY OF THE GOD DAMNED THINGS OUT THERE, SCREWING PEOPLE ENDLESSLY. And who will take them? You've heard the joke about the hillbilly who sends his kid in to the store for something worth less than a buck. The kid gives the clerk a seven dollar bill, and gets two three dollar bills and some wooden nickels as change. I mean, money is money, it's only worth what someone will give you for it. That means if folks don't recognize the issuing source... it's just fancy printed paper. Now that said, there is a guy who draws his own money. It looks sort of like a US bill, but not close enough to be counterfeit. And since he's an artist, his collectors are willing to pay more than face value for his art works. But as an investment, this doesn't quite look reasonable. You're better off buying bars of silver and gold, I'D LIKE TO INVEST IN SILVER SHEET METAL, OR PLATINUM SHEET METAL, FOR THE HULL OF MY CUSTOM TETRAHEDRAL SPACESHIP, IF RESOURCES WERE NOT SO GOD DAMNED FOREVER FINITE IN THIS PODUNK INDUSTRIAL SLUM OF TULSA OKLAHOMA. WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS SHITTY AND SHTATE NEED TO BORE GIGANTIC HOLES IN ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE WILLIAMS CENTER-BANK OF OKLAHOMA- LONE WORLD TRADE TOWER GOLD SILO BUILDING, IN DOWNSLUM TULSA, AND DEFLATE UNCLE SCROODGE MCFUCK ("MCDUCK"), AND SPREAD THE WEALTH, TO WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS SHITTY AND SHTATE. THE FUCKING OVERTAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION OKLAHOMA FINANCIAL SYSTEMS AND EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS NEED DEFLATION, AND WE THE FINANCIALLY AND EDUCATIONALLY SCREWED PEOPLE OF THIS SHITTY AND SHTATE NEED TO RE-'FLATED'!!!!!! WE NEED TO TAKE OUR SYSTEMS CONTROLS BACK. I'M SICK OF THIS FASCIST FOREVER GO NOWHERE CORPORATE SHTATE. or maybe look at Krugerands. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH KRUGERANDS. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050822/537b851d/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 22 19:09:47 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 22 19:09:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK TO SHARE. In-Reply-To: <20050823010550.51748.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 22, 2005 06:05:49 PM Message-ID: <20050823020947.58849.qmail@mall-net.com> > > YEAH; HE DOESN'T PRESENT A CONCRETE WAYS AND MEANS OF BACKING UP HIS CURRENCY. > > I HATE NETWORK MARKETING SCHEMES; SO MANY OF THE GOD DAMNED THINGS OUT THERE, SCREWING PEOPLE ENDLESSLY. And the numeric tag on the end of the URL is an introduction number so that whoever passed the URL around can get some extra credits. > But as an investment, this doesn't quite look reasonable. You're > better off buying bars of silver and gold, > > I'D LIKE TO INVEST IN SILVER SHEET METAL, OR PLATINUM SHEET METAL, FOR THE HULL OF MY CUSTOM TETRAHEDRAL SPACESHIP, IF RESOURCES WERE NOT SO GOD DAMNED FOREVER FINITE IN THIS PODUNK INDUSTRIAL SLUM OF TULSA OKLAHOMA. Gold and silver are good as an exchange medium. Out in space... I rather suspect the preferred medium will be water and energy in the realm of Venus to past Mars. Beyond that, I don't know how the balance is. > WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS SHITTY AND SHTATE NEED TO BORE GIGANTIC HOLES IN ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE WILLIAMS CENTER-BANK OF OKLAHOMA- LONE WORLD TRADE TOWER GOLD SILO BUILDING, IN DOWNSLUM TULSA, AND DEFLATE UNCLE SCROODGE MCFUCK ("MCDUCK"), AND SPREAD THE WEALTH, TO WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS SHITTY AND SHTATE. I don't think it will work. As the economy of Silicon Valley shows, the more money there is to go around, the more people bid for the the things there isn't enough of. So prices start rising. In other states, people ask for so much for a house, and settle lower and lower as it stays on the market. In California, the buyers make offers higher than the asking price, hoping they will get it. Heck, I've done it trying to get apartments that have waiting lists. > WE NEED TO TAKE OUR SYSTEMS CONTROLS BACK. We are the systems controls. We just don't know what the heck we are doing! > I'M SICK OF THIS FASCIST FOREVER GO NOWHERE CORPORATE SHTATE. A corporation can only make money if people need and want their products; so they have to try to do what the people want. If they want cheap, it comes from China. If they want quality, it comes form Japan. > or maybe look at Krugerands. > > I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH KRUGERANDS. Gold coin from South Africa, back when it was a white racist government. Not just gold, but a gold coin, and sold for, I forget whether it was $75 or $100. Price went up and down with the price of gold, of course. The financial markets talked it up as gold investment in quantities most people could afford, vs having to buy bars and rent vault space. But all of this precious metals investment is only intended as a hedge against catastrophic economic failure. Financial advisors say you shouldn't put more than some ten to twenty percent of your wealth into this, because precious metals do not appreciate very much in stable times; whereas investments in the right stocks or even bonds produce continued returns. More important, the money invested in banks, stocks, and bonds is used to produce more goods, adding to everyone's wealth, not just your own. And in event of real economic chaos, you want that gold in coins in your home, and several people who know how to use guns living with you. We didn't even have real economic chaos in the Great Depression; not like Europe in World War II, where paper money became worthless. Those were the times my parents walked through Europe, doing whatever kind of work they could for a little cash, dodging the Gestapo, etc. There, gold had value... but food had more value! -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 00:01:34 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 00:01:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. In-Reply-To: <90.64476d33.30391a7e@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050823070134.54451.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote: clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWERClyde, I went online to see what and where we could find you this Lotus plant you wish to grow, kill and then smoke. HERE IS A PERFECT WEBSITE, WITH THE TRUE (AUTHENTIC) LOTUS FLOWER; NELUMBO NUCIFERA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelumbo_nucifera THE CENTER SEEDPOD IS SUPPOSEDLY A FRUIT, AND THE ENTIRE PLANT, FLOWER AND ALL, DOWN TO EVEN THE ROOTS, ARE SUPPOSEDLY 100% ENTIRELY EDIBLE. I PURCHASED SEVERAL SEEDS FROM A PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE; GAVE TWO SEEDS AWAY TO A FRIEND, AND KEPT THE OTHER TWO. I OPENED BOTH OF THE SEEDS THAT I KEPT. THE SEEDLINGS WERE REALLY DEHYDRATED INSIDE, AND ONE OF THE TWO SEEDLINGS WAS SO DEHYDRATED, WHEN I OPENED IT, THAT IT IMMEDIATELY BROKE, AND THAT SEEDLING WAS IMMEDIATELY DESTROYED AND RUINED. I SUCCESSFULLY GREW THE OTHER SEEDLING FOR A WHILE, BUT THEN MY BIMBO DUMBASS MOM SCREWED THE PROJECT UP, WHEN SHE DIDN'T GIVE THE PLANT ENOUGH WATER WHILE I HAD TO STAY FOR TWO WEEKS IN A 'HOSPITAL', AND ALLOWED A THUNDERSTORM TO DESTROY THE FRAGILE LEAF OFFSHOOT THAT HAD STARTED TO GROW FROM THE MAIN SEEDLING PART OF THE PLANT. NOW IT IS SO GODDAMNED LATE IN THE SUMMERTIME, THAT MY PLANS ARE ON A SHELF TILL NEXT SUMMER, IF I CAN MAKE IT THROUGH TILL THEN. I WAS SO FRUSTRATED, AND STILL AM. WHY WAIT UNTIL NEXT SUMMER, WHEN THE DOOMED PROJECT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEGUN IN THE MONTH OF MARCH, AND NOT IN LATE JULY? I know the Egyptians were ga-ga over the lotus, THE EGYPTIAN LOTUS ISN'T THE TRUE NELUMBO NUCIFERA OF THE HINDU'S AND THE BUDDHISTS. NYMPHAEAE CERULAEAE, OR HOWEVER THE HELL IT'S SPELLED, IS THE BOTANIST'S NAME FOR THE WATER LILY (MISTAKEN AS LOTUS) OF THE EGYPTIANS. you see it everywhere in the ancient paintings and stone work. YEAH; I SAW SOME PHOTOS ON THE NET, ON A WEBPAGE DESCRIBING THE EGYPTIAN WATERLILY; I THINK THAT WEBSITE IS TITLED: THE I AM SHAMAN SHOP .COM, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. THOSE PHOTOS SHOWED THE ENGRAVING OF THE EGYPTIAN WATERLILY IN THE ANCIENT STONEWORK. I believe you may find lotus symbols as often if not more then the Anuk. .( I know the spelling is wrong but i am too tired to look it up) . About 5 or 6 years ago I watched a gardening show about the lotus of Egypt. There is one place in England that has a blue lotus that is a 2nd. or 3rd. generation of a plant that, as of today, no one on earth really knows if this is the true species of lotus that enraptured the people. And why or how did the plant cause such a sensation ? FROM WHAT I HAVE READ; THE TRUE HINDU AND BUDDHIST NELUMBO LOTUS, WITH THE FRUIT AND SEEDPOD CENTER, WHEN CONSUMED, OR WHEN PORTIONS OF IT ARE SMOKED, SUPPOSEDLY PRODUCE PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS SIMILAR TO MARIJUANA, YET INDUCE CALMING NEUROLOGICAL SEDATIVE EFFECTS AT THE SAME TIME, INSTEAD OF EUPHORIA AND PARANOIA, LIKE MARIJUANA. Let you in on a little secret Clyde, my good friend has a son who bought leaves of a South American plant, a form of Sage plant. It is legal here in New Hampshire----I refuse to tell you the name of this plant as it is still sold in a lot of states and I don't know if it is legal where you are. Anyway, I have known about this plant, the Wicca faith here use it to fly sometimes, and there was interest about growing it in green houses since there was no law against it. This plant is so dangerous that I found sites on the web warning dopers to be ever of careful of this craze inducing drug. I DOES NOT MATTER TO ME. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THAT PLANT, WHATEVER ONE THAT IT IS; UNLESS IT IS THE PAYOTE THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO, BELOW. O.K. the son of my buddy bought some of this from a head shop , went home ,rolled a joint and after smoking, alone, not knowing the effects of the herb, damn near killed his family. Big time nightmare trip for the kid, not to mention his family including the 3 children between the ages of 3 and 7 who he chased about with a knife. This kid is a grown man 23 years old and he experimented with an unknown drug alone, no life guard to pull him out of the effects or make sure he didn't harm himself or others. Clyde, I really think the idea of growing or smoking anything you have no idea of the effects of can put you in the place of not coming down for breakfast. YEAH WELL, I'M STUDYING THE NELUMBO FLOWER, AND HAVE GAINED AN INTEREST IN WHY SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE EASTERN RELIGIONS REVERE IT SO HIGHLY OVER SO MANY OTHER PLANTS, INCLUDING REVERING IT ABOVE MARIJUANA. Also, The American Indians are the only ancient peoples from anywhere on earth that I have heard of smoking anything, and that was tobacco. YEAH, OK. South Americans EAT or CHEW coco leaves, they don't smoke them. Indians ate for religious reasons Payote, PAYOTE CACTUS; I NEED TO LOOK INTO IT MORE INDEPTH. I DO HAVE A MICRO FRACTION OF CHOCTAW INDIAN BLOOD IN ME. I WAS INFORMED THAT I CAN LEGALLY OBTAIN PEYOTE FROM MY INDIAN TRIBE, HERE IN OKLAHOMA. HELL, I COULD PROBABLY JUST GO OUT INTO NATURE, AND FIND IT MYSELF, ON MY OWN, AFTER STUDYING ABOUT IT A BIT. and that was once or twice in a life time. The drugs of South East Asia were for thousands of years, up to today , ingested. It was the British that taught the Chinese to smoke opium. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN OPIUM. Clyde please don't smoke anything. Want to get high, bake Mary Jane Brownies or go 6 weeks without a cigarette and then smoke one, make you buzz like hell. I DON'T SMOKE CIGARETTES ANYWAY. I HAVE WONDERED IF THE TULSA GARDEN CENTER MIGHT POSSIBLY HELP ME TO GROW NELUMBO IN THEIR YEAR ROUND GREENHOUSE, SINCE MY BIMBO DUMB MOM SCREWED MY LOTUS PROJECT UP. We all look forward to your posts, sometimes you make me so mad I could smack you. I'M SO DAMNED MAD ANGRY AT TIMES, I JUST FEEL LIKE BOXING SOMEONE. Then there are times when I nod and to myself knowing just how you feel. Been there done that. I think we all have walked a mile in your shoes at sometime in our lives. Now for the hard part Clyde, we can relate to you---- can you relate to us ???? YES. We have our rants and pains, our problems, can you understand or feel our pain ?? YES. AND I WANT A LIMITLESS 'OVER'DOSE OF ANTI ADDICTIVE PAINKILLERS, WITH THE RIGHT THERAPY; LIKE CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY, FOR MY OWN PRIVATE USAGE, IN MY LAB. Clyde, if you want a friend, you must be a friend. In other words, Clyde, we care about you, do you care about us ????? YES, I DO CARE. BUT I AM NOT AN EXPERT. I HOPE YOU ALL WILL NOT THINK OF ME AS AN EXPERT. MY MAIN INTERESTS LIE IN EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRICAL TECHNOLOGY, ELECTROMECHANICS, BROADCAST AND AMATEUR RADIO ENGINEERING, AND ELECTROACOUSTICS SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, ETC. ANTI-GRAVITY AND ESOTERIC ALTERNATIVE ENERGY EXPERIMENTS ARE ALSO INTERESTS. ANTI-SUFFICIENT-CASHFLOW PREVENTS MANY OF US FROM BEING ALL THAT WE CAN BE; FROM BUILDING OUR LABS INTO WHAT WE CAN ONLY IMAGINE BEYOND OUR WILDEST DREAMS. I'D LIKE TO GET A D.W. (DRUM WORKSHOP) DRUM KIT, AND ADD IT TO MY LAB / STUDIO / STATION / EXPERIMENTAL FACILITY, ETC.... WELL WHERE DOES THE GARGANTUAN MOUNTAINLOAD OF CASHFLOW COME FROM, TO MAKE THAT PROJECT INTO AN ACTUAL REALITY? I DON'T KNOW. FINANCIAL SUCCESS IS FOREVER FLEETING. IS IT THAT WAY FOR ALL OF US??? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WISH I COULD HAVE A CHASTE, HUMBLE, AND SINCERE MENTOR IN MY LIFE, WHO IS FINANCIALLY SUCCESSFUL, WHO COULD TEACH ME THE TRICKS OF THE TRADE, WITHOUT TALKING A LOT OF SHIT, AND WITHOUT BEING OVERLY CRITICAL. Don't ignore me Clyde, I want answers to my questions, WELL, HERE'S MY REPLY. IT TOOK ME SEVERAL DAMNED DAYS TO RESPOND, BECAUSE I HAVE JUST BEEN BOGGED DOWN BY MY JOB, AND HAVE BEEN SO TIRED MOST OF THE TIME, WITH SO MANY E-MAILS TO RESPOND BACK TO, AND I AM SUCH A PERFECTIONIST THAT I MAKE ALL OF THE ATTEMPTS THAT I CAN, TO GET THE SPELLINGS CORRECT IN MY RESPONSES, AND TO GET THE REVISIONS DONE TO THEM AS WELL. you can give them to us, no more one way help, ONE WAY IS THE WAY THAT I HAVE TO GO A LOT OF THE TIME, JUST BECAUSE I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO RESPOND TO EVERY DETAIL ON EVERY E-MAIL, WITH AS MUCH OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE PERFECTIONISTIC EFFORT THAT I PUT INTO MY WORK IN TYPING AND RESPONDING, ETC. IF WHAT I TYPED DIRECTLY ABOVE MAKES SENSE. MY MIND IS GETTING TIRED RIGHT NOW. how about you giving us some of your ideas to help us. Time to listen to our problems and try to give us advise WELL, I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING; AND I AM A MAD *AMATEUR* 'SCIENTIST' OR MAD AMATEUR EXPERIMENTER, OR A MAD AMATEUR ENGINEER, AND NOT A PROFESSIONAL SCIENTIST, AND HAVE NO CARE OR CONCERN ABOUT BECOMING A PROFESSIONAL SCIENTIST, IN LIFE. I CAN HELP OUT WHERE I CAN, BUT I HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN ANY OTHER LISTS OUT THERE ON THE NET. THIS LIST IS WAY TOO FUN, AND COOL! UNLESS YOU ALL CAN SUGGEST OTHER LISTS THAT I COULD JOIN AT THE SAME TIME, TO EXPRESS CERTAIN THOUGHTS ELSEWHERE, INSTEAD OF ONLY HERE AND HERE ALONE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I WANT TO LEAVE THIS LIST. I JUST CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER LISTS THAT WOULD BE OF BENEFIT TO ME IN MY LIFE, OTHER THAN THIS LIST. ----This is what friends do, OK. I hope you will be a friend to us, I'M TRYING. THE PRESCRIPTION DRUG THAT I WAS TAKING BEFORE, WAS MAKING ME VERY BITTER, VERY MISERABLE, AND VERY ANGRY, AND WAS ALSO WEAKENING MY IMMUNE SYSTEM. THE PRESCRIPTION DRUG THAT I AM PRESENTLY TAKING, IS GETTING ME THROUGH, ALTHOUGH IT ISN'T AN ABSOLUTION. CHEMISTRY ONLY OFFERS CHEMICAL CLOAKS. PHYSICS ON THE OTHER HAND, OFFERS ABSOLUTIONS; IN MY CASE; ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT THAT JOHN INTRODUCED TO ME, HOLDS A PROMISING FUTURE FOR MYSELF, IF I CAN GET THE PROJECT TO ITS COMPLETION. I ONLY LACK SOME SILICONE R.T.V., BUT MONEY HAS ME STRAPPED AT THIS TIME, FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE MONTH; ANOTHER PROBLEM; MY PERFECTIONISM GETS IN THE WAY OF MY PROGRESS IN LIFE. BUT I HAVE BECOME A STICKLER FOR QUALITY IN WORKMANSHIP ON THINGS THAT I DO. IN SOME WAYS, IT IS BLESSING, AND IN SOME WAYS, IT IS A CURSE. we are willing to be ,and have been your friend. THANK YOU ALL! (OR FROM THE OKIE WAY OF SAYIN' IT: THANK Y'ALL!!!!) Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." AN INTERESTING SAYING; BUT I HOPE THERE IS ENOUGH HOPE REMAINING IN AMERICA, THAT REALITY DOESN'T COME DOWN TO WHAT YOU'VE GOT IN THIS SAYING. I WANT A HOPEFUL AND PEACEFUL FUTURE. SINCERELY, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/ee4a1bc0/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 00:44:33 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 00:45:02 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: FURTHER REPLY. In-Reply-To: <90.64476d33.30391a7e@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050823074433.37138.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote: clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: How about you giving us some of your ideas to help us. ONE NOVEL SCIENCE PROJECT THAT I'VE CONTEMPLATED, IS AN ANTI-GRAVITY (COUNTERGRAVITY) WATERFOUNTAIN; (FLOWING UPSIDE UP IN AIR, INSTEAD UPSIDE DOWN IN AIR), SOMEHOW USING A COMBINATION OF BOTH WATER AND ACOUSTIC ENERGY, IN SOME FORM AND SORT, OF COMBINATION TOGETHER. I HAVEN'T REALLY PUT A LOT MORE THOUGHT INTO IT THAN THAT. I'VE ALSO THOUGHT OF ELECTRICITY ITSELF, AS BEING A NATURAL FORM OF ANTI-GRAVITY WATER IN SPACETIME. WHAT ARE Y'ALL'S THOUGHT'S REGARDING THAT??? PERHAPS THE SAME CAN BE SAID ABOUT HEAT WAVE ENERGY, HIGH VOLTAGE (LIGHTNING) ELECTRICAL ENERGY, AND ACOUSTIC SONIC SOUND ENERGY, ALL, EQUALLY, TOGETHER. RADIO AND TELEVISION PHASE WAVES POSSESS BOTH INTELLIGENT AND UNINTELLIGENT HEAT WAVE ENERGY, (BOTH ORGANIZED AND CHAOTIC, WHETHER PRODUCED BY MAN, OR BY NATURE.); RADIO AND TELEVISION PHASE WAVES POSSESS BOTH INTELLIGENT AND UNINTELLIGENT HIGH VOLTAGE (MICRO LIGHTNING) ELECTRICAL ENERGY, (BOTH ORGANIZED AND CHAOTIC, WHETHER PRODUCED BY MAN, OR BY NATURE.); RADIO AND TELEVISION PHASE WAVES POSSESS BOTH INTELLIGENT AND UNINTELLIGENT ACOUSTIC SONIC SOUND ENERGY, (BOTH ORGANIZED AND CHAOTIC, WHETHER PRODUCED BY MAN, OR BY NATURE.). Time to listen to our problems and try to give us advise. OK; IF I HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE OF HELP, I WILL TRY. ----This is what friends do, OK. Regards Vesta SINCERELY, CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/7b2c8d2f/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 23 00:48:36 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 23 00:48:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: PLEASE REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050823070134.54451.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 23, 2005 12:01:34 AM Message-ID: <20050823074836.65702.qmail@mall-net.com> >> O.K. the son of my buddy bought some of this from a head shop >, went home ,rolled a joint and after smoking, alone, not knowing the >effects of the herb, damn near killed his family. Big time nightmare >trip for the kid, not to mention his family including the 3 children >between the ages of 3 and 7 who he chased about with a knife. This kid >is a grown man 23 years old and he experimented with an unknown drug >alone, no life guard to pull him out of the effects or make sure he >didn't harm himself or others. > Clyde, I really think the idea of growing or smoking anything you > have no idea of the effects of can put you in the place of not coming > down for breakfast. What Vesta is saying, is that it is not always clear what the reactions will be. they may be mild, or they may, due to some quirks in your particular biochemistry, be very bad. Like what I read about LSD; some people are ok with it, others start having flashbacks. And some, just go crazy and never come back! You say that marijuana started some of your troubles. That may be a warning that your particular biochemistry does not do very well with strange chemicals. Isaac Asimov said something to this effect as well in one of his science pieces discussing psychoactives. They put a stress on the chemistry, and in some people, it just breaks! And then they are permanently crazy, delusional, etc. > We all look forward to your posts, sometimes you make me so mad I could smack you. > > I'M SO DAMNED MAD ANGRY AT TIMES, I JUST FEEL LIKE BOXING SOMEONE. > > Then there are times when I nod and to myself knowing just how you > feel. Been there done that. I think we all have walked a mile in your > shoes at sometime in our lives. > > Now for the hard part Clyde, we can relate to you---- > > can you relate to us ???? > > YES. > > We have our rants and pains, our problems, can you understand or feel our pain ?? > > YES. > AND I WANT A LIMITLESS 'OVER'DOSE OF ANTI ADDICTIVE PAINKILLERS, WITH > THE RIGHT THERAPY; LIKE CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE > TECHNOLOGY, FOR MY OWN PRIVATE USAGE, IN MY LAB. Yes, but we don't do that. We don't react quite as you do. We've learned that life is what we make of it. And so, we go make of it as much as we can. > Clyde, if you want a friend, you must be a friend. In other words, > Clyde, we care about you, do you care about us ????? > > YES, I DO CARE. > BUT I AM NOT AN EXPERT. I think what Vesta is saying, is that we care very much about you, and we don't want you to get hurt. We feel your pain; but if you go off on high risk things... we are afraid you are going to get hurt. And some of us who know something about medicine... well, our fears are even higher because we have some sense as to how far out on the limb you already are. We hope that you can crawl back a little to where the limb is stronger and more stable. That's both emotionally and biochemically. In all these religious ceremonies where psychoactive plants are used, there are priests and guides to make sure the taker is guided through his or her experience to a good end. The other thing is, most of the psychedelic drugs have long term effects, damage, resulting in solid color backgrounds without detail developing rolling subtle colors. The brain can no longer hold itself well. There is damage. How much damage depends upon how much use. And if it is true with color, it might well be true in other areas, where concepts start drifting smearing. Some of the guys I met at work who had used LSD, though they did have some ability, were kind of dull and slow, plodding, almost as if they weren't all there. Fundamentally, in order to have a psychedelic experience, one has to screw with some rather important brain parameters. And when one does this... what does one trust? The perceptions are screwy, the logic is blown... how does one know how to act, what to do? So yes, maybe some of the people have all kinds of old feelings rise, and they go nuts running around with a knife or a gun till someone shoots them dead, or locks them away in a mental hospital for the safety of the rest of society. I mean, you are already angry. So it may not take much to make you act in ways that are not in your long term best interests. Your brain, don't leave home without it! We care, Clyde; we care very much!!! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 01:04:54 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 01:05:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] GOING BANANAS. In-Reply-To: <20050823003224.83376.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050823080454.4280.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> > YES!!! Tryptophan is important in maintaining a healthy attitude > toward life. MAYBE I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF TRYPTOPHAN??? Clyde, I think some of your problems may be > seratonin/dopamine imbalance. (I'm not a doctor! This is only an > educated guess.) > > ACTUALLY IT IS AN ENTIRE SABOTAGED NEURAL BALANCE THAT I SUFFER FROM. We don't know the details. THE DETAILS: NEUROSIS IN SOCIAL SITUATIONS, CAUSED BY THE SEXUAL ABUSE IN MY YOUTH. PSYCHOSIS, FROM EXPERIMENTATION WITH MARIJUANA WITH HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS. INSOMNIA FROM EXPERIMENTATION WITH METH WITH HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS, IN COMBINATION WITH ABOVE NAMED TWO. > But you also need to balance that with magnesium. Too much > potassium will drain the body's magnesium reserves, and peristalsis, > the wave of contractions in your gut, will fail if there is not enough > magnesium. Most Americans are low on magnesium. (You get magnesium by > eating green veggies. Some also enters the skin if you soak in a hot > bath of epsom salts.) > I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT MAGNESIUM HELPS ONE TO GO TO SLEEP, WHEN IT IS TAKEN IN THE RIGHT QUANTITY. It can have a relaxing effect. Too much however, and you get the trots. CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THE TROTS? I LOOKED IN THE WEBSTERS DICTIONARY, BUT IT WASN'T OF TREMENDOUS HELP IN AFFILIATION WITH MAGNESIUM AND SLEEP, UNLESS WHAT YOU MEANT, IS THAT SLEEP AND WAKING CYCLES BECOME WAY TOO FREQUENT, AND NOT FUN AT ALL; OR DOES IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HYPERACTIVITY AT ALL??? CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/e8adc76c/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 06:07:36 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 06:07:45 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Tulsa is a prison. Message-ID: <20050823130737.28150.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Tulsa is a prison, of the damned. And so is Oklahoma as well. Clyde __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/21629bad/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 07:05:06 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 07:05:27 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: REPLY. In-Reply-To: <20050823074836.65702.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050823140507.94610.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > Clyde, I really think the idea of growing or smoking anything you > have no idea of the effects of can put you in the place of not coming > down for breakfast. What Vesta is saying, is that it is not always clear what the reactions will be. they may be mild, or they may, due to some quirks in your particular biochemistry, be very bad. I KNOW WHAT HE'S SAYING. BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT I AM SUFFERING A LOT OF PSYCHOLOGICAL AND NEURAL('OGICAL') PAIN AS WELL; AND I WANT A PEACEFUL, PERMANENT ABSOLUTION FOR BOTH OF THEM. Like what I read about LSD; some people are ok with it, others start having flashbacks. And some, just go crazy and never come back! FUCK L.S.D. You say that marijuana started some of your troubles. That may be a warning that your particular biochemistry does not do very well with strange chemicals. Isaac Asimov said something to this effect as well in one of his science pieces discussing psychoactives. They put a stress on the chemistry, and in some people, it just breaks! And then they are permanently crazy, delusional, etc. WELL; I'VE LOST MY MIND NOW. DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFULLY IN LIFE; ESPECIALLY IN THIS INDUSTRY WASTELAND AND SLUM AND INDUSTRIAL SLUMBURB, OF TULSA, WHERE I LIVE. I WAS TOLD THAT I NEED A CHANGE OF SCENERY. WELL I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THAT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN WITHOUT FINANCIAL RESOURCES BEING IN AMPLE SUPPLY, AND TO FURTHER EDUCATION ALONG A LOT FURTHER, ETC.... > We all look forward to your posts, sometimes you make me so mad I could smack you. > I'M SO DAMNED MAD ANGRY AT TIMES, I JUST FEEL LIKE BOXING SOMEONE. > YES. > AND I WANT A LIMITLESS 'OVER'DOSE OF *ANTI*ADDICTIVE PAINKILLERS, WITH THE RIGHT THERAPY; LIKE CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY, FOR MY OWN PRIVATE USAGE, IN MY LAB. Yes, but we don't do that. We don't react quite as you do. We've learned that life is what we make of it. And so, we go make of it as much as we can. LIFE CERTAINLY ISN'T WHAT I MAKE OF IT; IT NEVER HAS BEEN. > Clyde, if you want a friend, you must be a friend. In other words, > Clyde, we care about you, do you care about us ????? > YES, I DO CARE. > BUT I AM NOT AN EXPERT. I think what Vesta is saying, is that we care very much about you, and we don't want you to get hurt. We feel your pain; but if you go off on high risk things... we are afraid you are going to get hurt. And some of us who know something about medicine... well, our fears are even higher because we have some sense as to how far out on the limb you already are. We hope that you can crawl back a little to where the limb is stronger and more stable. That's both emotionally and biochemically. WELL YEAH; OK. BUT MAYBE I JUST MIGHT AS WELL START DIGGING MY OWN GRAVE. In all these religious ceremonies where psychoactive plants are used, there are priests and guides to make sure the taker is guided through his or her experience to a good end. I GUESS THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE BUDDHIST'S AND HINDU'S WHO INGEST THE NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWER FOR ITS PSYCHOACTIVE PROPERTIES, AND ITS NEURAL SEDATIVE PROPERTIES. The other thing is, most of the psychedelic drugs have long term effects, damage, resulting in solid color backgrounds without detail developing rolling subtle colors. The brain can no longer hold itself well. There is damage. How much damage depends upon how much use. And if it is true with color, it might well be true in other areas, where concepts start drifting smearing. Some of the guys I met at work who had used LSD, though they did have some ability, were kind of dull and slow, plodding, almost as if they weren't all there. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT PSYCHEDELIC DRUGS. I NEED LASTING PEACE IN MY LIFE. THAT IS WHAT I NEED MOST OF ALL! Fundamentally, in order to have a psychedelic experience, one has to screw with some rather important brain parameters. And when one does this... what does one trust? The perceptions are screwy, the logic is blown... how does one know how to act, what to do? So yes, maybe some of the people have all kinds of old feelings rise, and they go nuts running around with a knife or a gun till someone shoots them dead, or locks them away in a YOU FORGOT TO SPELL MENTAL HOSPITAL, WITH THE WORD ENVIRON BEFORE IT: mental hospital for the safety of the rest of society. ENVIRONMENTAL SO-CALLED HOSPITALS. THE ENVIRONMENTAL INFUCKTUTIONS. THE ENVIRON-MENTAL TORTURE, PSEUDO HOSPITALS. CHIROPRACTIC CARE HAS BEEN OF THE MOST BENEFIT TO ME, SO FAR, WITH THE INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY. I mean, you are already angry. So it may not take much to make you act in ways that are not in your long term best interests. Your brain, don't leave home without it! We care, Clyde; we care very much!!! For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. THERE IS A LOCAL LADY NUTRICIANIST DOCTOR, WHO MY CHIROPRACTOR INFORMED ME OF. WOULD SHE BE UNDER THE CATEGORY AND TITLE OF AN ORTHOMOLECULAR DOCTOR? OR IS THERE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN SOMEONE BEING A NUTRICIANIST, AND SOMEONE BEING AN ORTHOMOLECULAR DOCTOR? Today's Art Photo I ACCIDENTALLY SCREWED UP THE LINK HERE ABOVE, TO THE ART PHOTO OF THE DAY, WHEN I BACKED THE CURSER UP TOO FAR, AND THE LINK TO THE WEBPAGE WAS NO MORE. Chem / Fungus allergies I PROBABLY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF CHEMICAL ALLERGIC REACTIONS THAT ARE EVIDENT INTERNALLY, THAT THE PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN IS NEGLIGENT ON CHECKING, AND THAT THE PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN IS NEGLIGENT ON INFORMING ME OF AND ABOUT. THERE WERE CHEMICAL REACTIONS (ALLERGIES?) THAT WERE EVIDENT, AND THAT I COULD FEEL, WHEN I WAS TAKING OLANZAPINE; OLANZAPINE WEAKED MY IMMUNE SYSTEM. OLANZAPINE IS NO GOOD. AND CLONAZAPAM EFFECTS MY CARDIOLOGY NEGATIVELY, WHEN I DO NOT TAKE IT. MAYBE THE CLONAZAPAM HAS GIVEN ME PERMANENENT IRREVERSIBLE BIOLOGICAL DAMAGE; AND THE CLONADINE TOO, AND THE VALPROIC ACID TOO, AND THE TRAZADONE AS WELL. I NEED LASTING PEACE; TO HELL WITH ALL OF THE CEASELESS SENSELESS CHEMICAL PHARMAPSEUDO HORSESHIT. Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. DR. CATHCART IS COOL. I STILL HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO AFFORD COPIES OF THE BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS CHARTS, THAT ARE PRODUCED BY ROCHE APPLIED SCIENCE LABORATORIES, THOUGH. POVERTY IS HIGH, HERE IN OKLAHOMA, AND I GUESS I'M DOOMED TO SINK EVEN FURTHER INTO THAT CATEGORY, ESPECIALLY IF I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO REMAIN HERE, IN THIS SHITHOLE STATE. THE (INDUSTRIAL) SLUM OF TULSA IS NO GOOD. BUT LIVING BLINDLY; HOW WILL I FIND PEACE, HAPPINESS, AND LIFE SUPPORT, IN COLORADO, ON MY OWN, WITH MINIMAL TO ZERO HELP FROM OTHERS, AS IT IS IN MY LIFE AT THIS TIME? LIKE A FRIEND OF MINE SAID: MOST PEOPLE HERE IN TULSA ARE ALWAYS ANGRY, AND ARE ALWAYS FED UP WITH THINGS. SOUNDS A LOT LIKE ME TOO. THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM IS SHIT, AND THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM IS A CORRUPT, AND NEARLY TOTALITARIAN EVIL DICTATORSHIP, IN THIS PODUNK INDUSTRIAL SHITHOLE. Arthritis I DON'T HAVE ARTHRITIS. AT LEAST, NOT THAT I CAN TELL. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/3a4b8558/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 10:20:05 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 10:20:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE ART PHOTO OF TODAY. In-Reply-To: <20050823074836.65702.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050823172005.28868.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo IS THE ART PHOTO AT THE ABOVE WEBLINK, A PICTURE OF THE TERRITORY WHERE YOU LIVE? IT DOES LOOK NICE, IN THAT PHOTO! BUT IS IT SMOG IN THE VALLEY, OR JUST STANDARD CLOUDS ONLY? Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20050823080454.4280.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 23, 2005 01:04:54 AM Message-ID: <20050823185547.25032.qmail@mall-net.com> > > YES!!! Tryptophan is important in maintaining a healthy attitude > > toward life. > > MAYBE I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF TRYPTOPHAN??? Well, niacin and tryptophan are synergistic, so if you have trouble with one... you might not do all that well with the other... but I kind of think your problem with niacin may have beendrug interaction based. > We don't know the details. > > THE DETAILS: > > NEUROSIS IN SOCIAL SITUATIONS, CAUSED BY THE SEXUAL ABUSE IN MY YOUTH. > > PSYCHOSIS, FROM EXPERIMENTATION WITH MARIJUANA WITH HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS. > INSOMNIA FROM EXPERIMENTATION WITH METH WITH HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS, IN COMBINATION WITH ABOVE NAMED TWO. Hmmm... those are all psychological diagnoses, with ZERO biochemical diagnoses! A healthy Brain (as opposed to mind) can often (not always) throw off some of this without becoming locked in to the kind of pessimism you seem to be locked in to. Now, I'm not a doctor, not a psychiatrist, so I can't give you other than life style And what pharmaceuticals did they prescribe for the above, and which are you taking? Something just came up.... be back tonight. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 12:23:08 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 12:23:17 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The United States And Our Allies. Message-ID: <20050823192308.80857.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> The United States and our allies need rejuvenation technologies mass produced, with World War II war machine speed, for the benefit of everyone equally. Clyde Lofton __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/863cb84d/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 23 12:25:06 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 23 12:25:09 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE ART PHOTO OF TODAY. In-Reply-To: <20050823172005.28868.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 23, 2005 10:20:05 AM Message-ID: <20050823192506.43016.qmail@mall-net.com> > > IS THE ART PHOTO AT THE ABOVE WEBLINK, A PICTURE OF THE TERRITORY WHERE YOU LIVE? Yes > > IT DOES LOOK NICE, IN THAT PHOTO! > > BUT IS IT SMOG IN THE VALLEY, OR JUST STANDARD CLOUDS ONLY? Depends on whch photo. The smog gets rather bad. Am on phone now, so can't write. > > Chem / Fungus allergies > Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. > Arthritis > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > --0-1753321274-1124817605=:27665 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >

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> Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > --0-1753321274-1124817605=:27665-- > > --===============2098297317== > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > --===============2098297317==-- > From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 12:42:20 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 12:42:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Globalism. Message-ID: <20050823194220.69266.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Fuck the attempts of the Financial Industrial Komplex, the Pharmacology Industrial Komplex, the Military Industrial Komplex, and the Energy Industrial Komplexes, from their attempts at totalitarian dictatorship over America, and over the entire globe. Fuck Globalism! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/0606a8f5/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 23 14:22:34 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 23 14:22:39 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE ART PHOTO OF TODAY. In-Reply-To: <20050823172005.28868.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 23, 2005 10:20:05 AM Message-ID: <20050823212234.5063.qmail@mall-net.com> > IS THE ART PHOTO AT THE ABOVE WEBLINK, A PICTURE OF THE TERRITORY WHERE YOU LIVE? Fog Flood V alley is from across the street where I am. That is low clouds / morning fog in the Coyote Valley. > IT DOES LOOK NICE, IN THAT PHOTO! > > BUT IS IT SMOG IN THE VALLEY, OR JUST STANDARD CLOUDS ONLY? there is usually a layer of smog both at the top of the clouds, and another often below them. the temperature inversion which leads to such clouds keeps the smog down there. It does overflow the ridge at times, and I don't do very well when it comes, I usually end up taking a nap at that time because I am not very energetic, cogent, etc. But it clears when the winds blow the other way, and then I feel good again.. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Aug 23 15:26:10 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Aug 23 15:26:17 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] truly Mad! Message-ID: <006c01c5a831$aaa91a00$6601a8c0@mikey> http://www.theonion.com/2056-06-22/ From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 20:33:27 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 20:33:36 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] truly Mad! In-Reply-To: <006c01c5a831$aaa91a00$6601a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050824033327.3724.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Michael Best < mbest@triad.rr.com > wrote: http://www.theonion.com/2056-06-22/ A VERY MAD WEBSITE! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/7b612f00/attachment.html From texastjs at swbell.net Tue Aug 23 20:36:51 2005 From: texastjs at swbell.net (L.R. McGuire-Smith) Date: Tue Aug 23 20:37:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE:Several things In-Reply-To: <20050817190002.3776E3982A@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: I was excited to see the mention of geodome living, striving to succeed and mad cow type scrapie in cats. I have two cats, really just one but her "baby" is visiting our home right now with my daughter, who is visiting as well. I read where a copper deficiency may be an instigating factor in human forms of mad cow, maybe supplement with Copper for your cats? Maybe worth a try-who knows? Find out what the upper limit dose for cats is, and give it a try, it is very, very sad to have to keep putting ones beloved pets down-I'm so sorry! About domes and Bucky Fuller, I wrote and entered the International Space Elevator Competition with a story about Nanotechnology carbon filaments, ala, the Space Elevator, didn't win-hoped to, but didn't. Anyway, I was excited by the concepts and the contest. About the challenges several of us face, health, financial, personal, etc.,-keep on truckin'! Follow your interests and you will be absorbed and you will succeed. That success may be a small victory by the world's standards, but aren't you in it for the love of it? That's all the satisfaction anyone can ask for. IMHO! Lisa R. Smith -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:00 PM To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 42 Send Mad-Scientists mailing list submissions to mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG You can reach the person managing the list at mad-scientists-owner@Mad-Scientists.ORG When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mad-Scientists digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: NO REPLY. (javilk@mall-net.com) 2. Re: Etc., again (Vesta111@aol.com) 3. Re: Mad Cat disease? (javilk@mall-net.com) 4. WOW! (Michael Best) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:46:45 +0000 (GMT) From: javilk@mall-net.com Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Re: NO REPLY. To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <20050817064645.60834.qmail@mall-net.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am not always at the computer. I have a bunch of projects that I'm not getting done too! Today, Barry didn't bring the water truck till late. My laundry was delayed. I did some work on my solar system as the place cooled in the evening. I also called a bunch of people trying to get them to rent to me, and worked on my rental tracking system, etc. And still did nothing about the real Mad Scientist projects that I want to do to prove to the world that... well... You know, I don't really know what I want to prove to the world. I just want to prove to MYSELF that I was right in some ideas about physics and chemistry, or if not right, figure out how to do them anyway! If they make a profit, as I think they should, then good. But like any mad scientist, I WANT TO KNOW!!! And the only way I know of finding out, is to do the experiments. Which means a lot of construction work that hasn't taken place in years because of all kinds of other crap going on in my life. But that's life. I invented the web browser in 1982, Clyde. I couldn't sell it for the life of me! I developed word processing utilities n 1978 which I could not sell successfully, I had the vision of what we now call Ethernet, but didn't have the knowledge of how to build it. In fact, I devised the basic signal collision system that is the essence of Ethernet back in 1978. I wanted to start a search engine in 1996, but didn't know how till 1998, when tinkering with that lead to another business that I ran from 1998 to 9/11/2001, when the economy fell apart, killing some of my clients and resources. I was trying to start an on-line auction system in 1995, did start some chat page communities which didn't take off like some of the big ones, etc. etc. etc. etc.. I invented a bunch of other things that I just could not get anyone to buy. That's just life. Each time we try, we learn more. The only failure, is the person who stops trying. The game of life is not over. Till it's over, you don't know if you are going to be a winner, or a loser! They say that the first two companies you start will not do well. Yep. I've started several small companies, and they just kind of staggered around making barely enough for me to live. But I learned! And it beat the heck out of working non-stop for some company that I didn't own. Unfortunately, my priority now has to be finding a place I can move to. I've negotiated an intersting place; but the road is too steep. So I'm back on the market looking for another place here in the mountains. But you know, Clyde, any day you wake up breathing is a great day! As I joke with my father regarding my predicament here on the mountain, "But no one is shooting at me!" So life is a hell of a lot better for me, than what my father went through in WW-II in Europe. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 03:06:09 EDT From: Vesta111@aol.com Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Etc., again To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <13d.197422b7.30343be1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In a message dated 8/13/2005 9:27:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: WELDED-ONE-PIECE-FRAMED MICRO TETRA-GEODESIC DOMES, BUILT LIKE TANKS, REQUIRING AS MINIMAL MAINTENANCE AS POSSIBLE, ARE A DREAM; THOUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW TO IT PULL OFF, INTO THE MAKING IT INTO A TRUE REALITY. Clyde, how surprising !!!! As different as we too people can be, we share the same dream. Buckminister Fuller was awesome. I have thought of placing a dome in the ground, perhaps 10 feet to 20 feet down, energy savings, you could live 50 feet from a busy airport and have complete silence. Lousy view but everything has a down side. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050817/710e 8d22/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:14:20 +0000 (GMT) From: javilk@mall-net.com Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad Cat disease? To: mbest@triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Cc: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <20050817071420.73328.qmail@mall-net.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Not enough goats in the USA to eat the cow residue! Its made into = > > > dog food and cat food. =20 > > Yep! And those nasty prions then get into my kitties! This would = > explain > why I've seen several die this past 18 months from a mysterious disease = > with > symptomology resembling scrapie and/or BSE. Their vet had no idea what = ... > Just ask Hitler, Stalin, or Mao. Mike, those three evil people did so much worse than anything you've said or encountered! They willingly sacrificed significant portions of their populations, putting living human beings into slave camps where they were tortured, malnourished, and murdered. What agribusiness does here is not deliberate evil, and certainly not on the scale of Mao or Stalin! Hitler was just a piker who was stupid enough to pick on a rather vocal people. You don't hear that over half of the people in work/death camps were NOT Jewish, because the other groups were not as vocal, educated, or determined. What some of us smarter folks see happening is caused by a lot of beliefs which are self serving and erroneous; but not the kind of deliberate evils which those three did. (You can add Phol Pot to that list.) Come on, Mike, you're the one who's supposedly big on realism. Look at the comparative scale of things. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:01:54 -0400 From: "Michael Best" Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WOW! To: Message-ID: <010f01c5a344$fd5fba20$6501a8c0@mikey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have no idea what to think of this yet; I haven't the time right now to check the links. But it seems like it needs to be posted here! http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/?tesla?/glitesla.html -MB ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 42 ********************************************** From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 22:04:08 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 22:04:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] VESTA. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050824050409.31365.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> I APOLOGIZE, VESTA, FOR NOT REPLYING SOONER: In a message dated 8/13/2005 9:27:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: WELDED-ONE-PIECE-FRAMED MICRO TETRA-GEODESIC DOMES, BUILT LIKE TANKS, REQUIRING AS MINIMAL MAINTENANCE AS POSSIBLE, ARE A DREAM; THOUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW TO IT PULL OFF, INTO THE MAKING IT INTO A TRUE REALITY. Clyde, how surprising !!!! As different as we too people can be, we share the same dream. YEAH; A WELDED ONE PIECE METAL DOME HOME, AND PERHAPS A SIDE SCIENCE / WORK LAB TOO, BUILT WITH TANK STRENGTH, AGAINST TORNADO AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS, PREFERABLY MADE OF BRONZE, BUT THE COSTS OF THAT WOULDN'T BE PRACTICAL AT ALL, AND SO ALUMINUM WOULD SUFFICE. Buckminister Fuller was awesome. I AGREE! I PICTURE MY TETRA-GEODOME WITH AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT BEACON LIGHT, CENTERED PERFECTLY ON THE TOP OF IT, ON A SMALL TOWER, AT DIRECT CENTER. TEMCOR IS THE DAMN BEST GEODESIC DOME FABRICATOR THAT I KNOW OF, FROM MY RESEARCH: http://www.temcor.com/ AND FLASH TECHNOLOGY HAS THE WORLD'S BEST RADIO TOWER BEACONS, PRESENTLY IN EXISTANCE; (THE ON/OFF TIME CONSTANTS ARE VERY COOL, WITH WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR TOWER BEACON LAMP FLASHERS): http://www.flashtechnology.com/ I have thought of placing a dome in the ground, perhaps 10 feet to 20 feet down, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PLACING THE DOME DOWN 20 FEET INTO THE GROUND, BUT 5 TO 10 FEET MIGHT BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. I'D WANT MY DOME TO HAVE A PERFECT ANCHORMENT TO THE EARTH, FOR MAXIMUM RESITANCE TO THE WEARING AND TEARING, OF BOTH THE ELEMENTS, AND MAXIMUM RESITANCE TO TIME ITSELF. energy savings, YEAH; ENERGY SAVINGS FROM A GEODOME, ARE AWESOME, COMPARED TO LIVING IN CHEAP TOOTHPICK STICK FRAMED, CHEAP BRICK COATED, SHITROCK INFERIOR INTERIOR COATED, MIDDLE CLASS CRAP FASCIST FABRICATED BOXES. you could live 50 feet from a busy airport and have complete silence. Lousy view but everything has a down side. SORRY I DIDN'T ORIGINALLY REPLY BACK, TO THIS E-MAIL. I'VE HAD SO MANY PILED UP E-MAILS, THAT I FORGOT ABOUT THE EXISTANCE OF THIS ONE, TO REPLY BACK, IN THE PAST, AND I HAD TO GO TO THE 'HOSPITAL' FOR TWO WEEKS, AND HAVE ALSO BEEN REALLY TIRED FROM SO MUCH WORK. Regards Vesta SINCERELY, CLYDE No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 42 ********************************************** _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/0daeadb7/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 22:45:13 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 23 22:45:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE:Several things In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050824054514.27425.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> "L.R. McGuire-Smith" wrote: I was excited to see the mention of geodome living, striving to succeed and mad cow type scrapie in cats. I have two cats, really just one but her "baby" is visiting our home right now with my daughter, who is visiting as well. I read where a copper deficiency I'VE HEARD THAT COPPER IS DEADLY, IF INGESTED. may be an instigating factor in human forms of mad cow, maybe supplement with Copper for your cats? Maybe worth a try-who knows? Find out what the upper limit dose for cats is, and give it a try, it is very, very sad to have to keep putting ones beloved pets down-I'm so sorry! About domes and Bucky Fuller, BUCKMINSTER FULLER WAS VERY COOL, LIKE NIKOLA TESLA, PHILO FARNSWORTH, AND MICHAEL FARADAY. LIKE VESTA, I WANT TO BUILD MY OWN GEODOME. I wrote and entered the International Space Elevator Competition I JUST WANT TO BUILD MY OWN PRIVATE, SMALL SCALE SPACESHIP, GO INTO LOW EARTH ORBIT AT BEST, AND INGEST A SUFFICIENT DOSE OF CYANIDE OR ARSENIC, TO MAKE DEATH QUICK AND SIMPLE. GRAVITY WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE ME BACK DOWN TO THIS HELL HOLE DISEASE WORLD OF PLANET EARTH THOUGH, BUT WHAT THE HELL; CAUSE I'D BE DEAD, BUT WOULD ENJOY MY LAST MOMENTS OF LIFE, WITH A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF THE SOME OF THE BEAUTY THAT THIS PLANET HOLDS, OBSERVING THE EARTH FROM THE OUTSIDE, INSTEAD OF FROM THE ENDLESS INSANE INSIDE. with a story about Nanotechnology I'VE WONDERED IF HIGH VOLTAGE NANOPROBES EXIST??? ARE THERE SUCH??? carbon filaments, ala, the Space Elevator, didn't win-hoped to, but didn't. Anyway, I was excited by the concepts and the contest. About the challenges several of us face, health, financial, personal, etc.,-keep on truckin'! YEAH; I'M A SURVIVOR, BARELY SURVIVING. HEALTH, WEALTH, AND PERSONAL PROBLEMS ALWAYS INTERFERE WITH PROGRESS. Follow your interests and you will be absorbed and you will succeed. 1. ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT. 2. GROWING NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWERS, FOR CONSUMPTION. 3. FINALLY SOMEDAY, BUYING MY OWN CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE, FOR PRIVATE LAB USE / BUILDING MY OWN MICRO HOSPITAL. 4. A TALKING CLOCK PROJECT, SYNCHRONIZABLE TO THE G.P.S., FOR AID TO BLIND FOLKS, BROADCASTERS, AND TO RADIO AMATEUR REPEATER OWNERS; MAINLY FOR USE WITH LOW POWER BROADCAST TRANSLATORS, FOR CONSTANT 24/7 TIME, TEMPERATURE, AND WEATHER REPORTING; ENTIRELY 100% AUTOMATED; MAYBE EVEN USEFUL TO AIRCRAFT AS WELL, FOR BOTH NAVIGATION AND INFORMATION; I DON'T KNOW. That success may be a small victory by the world's standards, but aren't you in it for the love of it? DAMN STRAIGHT! That's all the satisfaction anyone can ask for. IMHO! I'LL PROBABLY NEVER MAKE IT TO FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE AND SUCCESS THOUGH. MAYBE I NEED TO GO SEE WHAT BUSINESS SCHOOLS TEACH, AND SEE IF THEY ALSO CHURN OUT ENDLESS FAILURES, AS THE MODERN FASCIST COMMUNIST PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL SHITSTEM DOES. DOES THE FINANCIAL INTRA-FUCTURE CONTROL PUBLIC EDUCATION TOO??? THEY'RE IN BED TOGETHER WITH THE ENERGY INTRA-FUCKTURE, THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA, AND THE PHARMACOLOGY INTRA-FUCKTURES. Lisa R. Smith CLYDE End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 42 ********************************************** _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/3b90c684/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 23 23:18:31 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 23 23:18:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE:Several things In-Reply-To: <20050824054514.27425.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 23, 2005 10:45:13 PM Message-ID: <20050824061831.45043.qmail@mall-net.com> > "L.R. McGuire-Smith" wrote: > I was excited to see the mention of geodome living, striving to succeed and > mad cow type scrapie in cats. I have two cats, really just one but her > "baby" is visiting our home right now with my daughter, who is visiting as > well. I read where a copper deficiency > > I'VE HEARD THAT COPPER IS DEADLY, IF INGESTED. I was getting small, pencil dot sized pellets of pure electrodeposited ccopper as supplements back in the mid to late 80's. I didn't seem to notice any rigor mortis... And we use to have real copper water pipes for a long, long time. So I doubt there's a proble with copper if you don't take too much. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 09:42:15 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Aug 24 09:42:22 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK. Message-ID: <20050824164215.37404.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> WEBLINK: http://www.t-shirthumor.com/Merchant2/products/chen.html?Category_Code=newr --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/1107ac20/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 11:30:34 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Aug 24 11:30:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS. Message-ID: <20050824183034.25755.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES, NEED ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS MADE. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/b12058d4/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Aug 24 12:49:11 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Aug 24 12:49:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Essential micronutrients Message-ID: <00c501c5a8e4$e6a43c20$6601a8c0@mikey> Copper, chromium, zinc, and a host of other "poisons," even arsenic, are essential micronutrients. 150 milligrams of arsenic will kill a full-grown man, but without a few nanograms of arsenic in our bodies, our neurological systems would not function, and we would be just as dead. The dose defines the toxin. Some chemicals, like water, are only toxic in extremely high doses- several gallons for water, but everything is toxic in a large enough dose. A handful of table salt will kill. The term "poison" usually refers to a substance that is toxic in small quantities. Most drugs are toxic, but as a rule of thumb, the toxic dose (LDlo, or the lowest dose that causes mortality for any individual) is at least twice the therapeutically effective dose. For most drugs, this ratio is much, much larger. But the dose makes the poison. -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Aug 24 13:26:28 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Aug 24 13:26:46 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS. In-Reply-To: <20050824183034.25755.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 24, 2005 11:30:34 AM Message-ID: <20050824202628.63881.qmail@mall-net.com> > THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES, NEED ABSOLUTE > HEALTH STANDARDS MADE. I would strongly oppose this, as I had in the past, when Hillary Clinton wanted to create a health care plan with mandatory treatments defined by a committee. No alternative medicine, no freedom of choice, etc. That is where absolute standards go. That means, YOU could be treated against your will, as well as blocked from having alternative treatments, such as non-pharmaceutical nutritional treatments. Freedom is the right to chose what you do, even if it may harm you. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Aug 24 14:24:11 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Aug 24 14:24:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Reactionless propulsion 1 Message-ID: <00ec01c5a8f2$2c2bff00$6601a8c0@mikey> Where I started, but I consider this ion reaction propulsion, not true reactionless propulsion. http://www.fw.hu/bmiklos2000/ From texastjs at swbell.net Wed Aug 24 15:11:50 2005 From: texastjs at swbell.net (Tim) Date: Wed Aug 24 15:13:23 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65 In-Reply-To: <20050824190003.3252C39829@kang.vjc.com> References: <20050824190003.3252C39829@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <430CF0A6.7040108@swbell.net> mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG wrote: >Send Mad-Scientists mailing list submissions to > mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >You can reach the person managing the list at > mad-scientists-owner@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Mad-Scientists digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. VESTA. (clyde lofton) > 2. Re: RE:Several things (clyde lofton) > 3. Re: RE:Several things (javilk@mall-net.com) > 4. WEBLINK. (clyde lofton) > 5. ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS. (clyde lofton) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:04:08 -0700 (PDT) >From: clyde lofton >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] VESTA. >To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List >Message-ID: <20050824050409.31365.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > >I APOLOGIZE, VESTA, FOR NOT REPLYING SOONER: > >In a message dated 8/13/2005 9:27:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: > >WELDED-ONE-PIECE-FRAMED MICRO TETRA-GEODESIC DOMES, BUILT LIKE TANKS, REQUIRING AS MINIMAL MAINTENANCE AS POSSIBLE, ARE A DREAM; THOUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW TO IT PULL OFF, INTO THE MAKING IT INTO A TRUE REALITY. > > >Clyde, how surprising !!!! As different as we too people can be, we >share the same dream. > >YEAH; A WELDED ONE PIECE METAL DOME HOME, AND PERHAPS A SIDE SCIENCE / WORK LAB TOO, BUILT WITH TANK STRENGTH, AGAINST TORNADO AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS, PREFERABLY MADE OF BRONZE, BUT THE COSTS OF THAT WOULDN'T BE PRACTICAL AT ALL, AND SO ALUMINUM WOULD SUFFICE. > > >Buckminister Fuller was awesome. > >I AGREE! > >I PICTURE MY TETRA-GEODOME WITH AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT BEACON LIGHT, CENTERED PERFECTLY ON THE TOP OF IT, ON A SMALL TOWER, AT DIRECT CENTER. > >TEMCOR IS THE DAMN BEST GEODESIC DOME FABRICATOR THAT I KNOW OF, FROM MY RESEARCH: > >http://www.temcor.com/ > >AND FLASH TECHNOLOGY HAS THE WORLD'S BEST RADIO TOWER BEACONS, PRESENTLY IN EXISTANCE; (THE ON/OFF TIME CONSTANTS ARE VERY COOL, WITH WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR TOWER BEACON LAMP FLASHERS): > >http://www.flashtechnology.com/ > >I have thought of placing a dome in the ground, perhaps 10 feet to 20 feet down, > >I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PLACING THE DOME DOWN 20 FEET INTO THE GROUND, BUT 5 TO 10 FEET MIGHT BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. > >I'D WANT MY DOME TO HAVE A PERFECT ANCHORMENT TO THE EARTH, FOR MAXIMUM RESITANCE TO THE WEARING AND TEARING, OF BOTH THE ELEMENTS, AND MAXIMUM RESITANCE TO TIME ITSELF. > >energy savings, > >YEAH; ENERGY SAVINGS FROM A GEODOME, ARE AWESOME, COMPARED TO LIVING IN CHEAP TOOTHPICK STICK FRAMED, CHEAP BRICK COATED, SHITROCK INFERIOR INTERIOR COATED, MIDDLE CLASS CRAP FASCIST FABRICATED BOXES. > >you could live 50 feet from a busy airport and have complete silence. Lousy view but everything has a down side. > >SORRY I DIDN'T ORIGINALLY REPLY BACK, TO THIS E-MAIL. > >I'VE HAD SO MANY PILED UP E-MAILS, THAT I FORGOT ABOUT THE EXISTANCE OF THIS ONE, TO REPLY BACK, IN THE PAST, AND I HAD TO GO TO THE 'HOSPITAL' FOR TWO WEEKS, AND HAVE ALSO BEEN REALLY TIRED FROM SO MUCH WORK. > >Regards Vesta > >SINCERELY, CLYDE > > >No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And >those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." > > >End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 42 >********************************************** > >_______________________________________________ >Mad-Scientists mailing list: >Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/0daeadb7/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:45:13 -0700 (PDT) >From: clyde lofton >Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] RE:Several things >To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List >Message-ID: <20050824054514.27425.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > >"L.R. McGuire-Smith" wrote: >I was excited to see the mention of geodome living, striving to succeed and >mad cow type scrapie in cats. I have two cats, really just one but her >"baby" is visiting our home right now with my daughter, who is visiting as >well. I read where a copper deficiency > >I'VE HEARD THAT COPPER IS DEADLY, IF INGESTED. > >may be an instigating factor in human forms of mad cow, maybe supplement with Copper for your cats? Maybe worth a try-who knows? Find out what the upper limit dose for cats is, and give it a try, it is very, very sad to have to keep putting ones beloved pets down-I'm so sorry! About domes and Bucky Fuller, > >BUCKMINSTER FULLER WAS VERY COOL, LIKE NIKOLA TESLA, PHILO > >FARNSWORTH, AND MICHAEL FARADAY. > >LIKE VESTA, I WANT TO BUILD MY OWN GEODOME. > >I wrote and entered the International Space Elevator Competition > >I JUST WANT TO BUILD MY OWN PRIVATE, SMALL SCALE SPACESHIP, GO INTO LOW EARTH ORBIT AT BEST, AND INGEST A SUFFICIENT DOSE OF CYANIDE OR ARSENIC, TO MAKE DEATH QUICK AND SIMPLE. > >GRAVITY WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE ME BACK DOWN TO THIS HELL HOLE DISEASE WORLD OF PLANET EARTH THOUGH, BUT WHAT THE HELL; CAUSE I'D BE DEAD, BUT WOULD ENJOY MY LAST MOMENTS OF LIFE, WITH A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF THE SOME OF THE BEAUTY THAT THIS PLANET HOLDS, OBSERVING THE EARTH FROM THE OUTSIDE, INSTEAD OF FROM THE ENDLESS INSANE INSIDE. > >with a story about Nanotechnology > >I'VE WONDERED IF HIGH VOLTAGE NANOPROBES EXIST??? > >ARE THERE SUCH??? > > >carbon filaments, ala, the Space Elevator, didn't win-hoped to, but didn't. >Anyway, I was excited by the concepts and the contest. About the challenges >several of us face, health, financial, personal, etc.,-keep on truckin'! > >YEAH; I'M A SURVIVOR, BARELY SURVIVING. > >HEALTH, WEALTH, AND PERSONAL PROBLEMS ALWAYS INTERFERE WITH PROGRESS. > > >Follow your interests and you will be absorbed and you will succeed. > >1. ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT. > >2. GROWING NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWERS, FOR CONSUMPTION. > >3. FINALLY SOMEDAY, BUYING MY OWN CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE, FOR PRIVATE LAB USE / BUILDING MY OWN MICRO HOSPITAL. > >4. A TALKING CLOCK PROJECT, SYNCHRONIZABLE TO THE G.P.S., FOR AID TO BLIND FOLKS, BROADCASTERS, AND TO RADIO AMATEUR REPEATER OWNERS; MAINLY FOR USE WITH LOW POWER BROADCAST TRANSLATORS, FOR CONSTANT 24/7 TIME, TEMPERATURE, AND WEATHER REPORTING; ENTIRELY 100% AUTOMATED; MAYBE EVEN USEFUL TO AIRCRAFT AS WELL, FOR BOTH NAVIGATION AND INFORMATION; I DON'T KNOW. > >That success may be a small victory by the world's standards, but aren't you in >it for the love of it? > >DAMN STRAIGHT! > >That's all the satisfaction anyone can ask for. IMHO! > > >I'LL PROBABLY NEVER MAKE IT TO FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE AND SUCCESS THOUGH. > >MAYBE I NEED TO GO SEE WHAT BUSINESS SCHOOLS TEACH, AND SEE IF THEY ALSO CHURN OUT ENDLESS FAILURES, AS THE MODERN FASCIST COMMUNIST PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL SHITSTEM DOES. > >DOES THE FINANCIAL INTRA-FUCTURE CONTROL PUBLIC EDUCATION TOO??? > >THEY'RE IN BED TOGETHER WITH THE ENERGY INTRA-FUCKTURE, THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA, AND THE PHARMACOLOGY INTRA-FUCKTURES. > >Lisa R. Smith > >CLYDE > > >End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 42 >********************************************** > >_______________________________________________ >Mad-Scientists mailing list: >Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050823/3b90c684/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:18:31 +0000 (GMT) >From: javilk@mall-net.com >Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] RE:Several things >To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >Message-ID: <20050824061831.45043.qmail@mall-net.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > >>"L.R. McGuire-Smith" wrote: >>I was excited to see the mention of geodome living, striving to succeed and >>mad cow type scrapie in cats. I have two cats, really just one but her >>"baby" is visiting our home right now with my daughter, who is visiting as >>well. I read where a copper deficiency >> >>I'VE HEARD THAT COPPER IS DEADLY, IF INGESTED. >> >> > > I was getting small, pencil dot sized pellets of pure >electrodeposited ccopper as supplements back in the mid to late 80's. >I didn't seem to notice any rigor mortis... > > And we use to have real copper water pipes for a long, long time. >So I doubt there's a proble with copper if you don't take too much. > >-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) >CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. >Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. >My opinions are subject to the availability of information. >I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. > >For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices >orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. >Today's Art Photo > Chem / Fungus allergies > Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. > Arthritis >Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. >Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:42:15 -0700 (PDT) >From: clyde lofton >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINK. >To: mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org >Message-ID: <20050824164215.37404.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >WEBLINK: > >http://www.t-shirthumor.com/Merchant2/products/chen.html?Category_Code=newr > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/1107ac20/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:30:34 -0700 (PDT) >From: clyde lofton >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS. >To: mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org >Message-ID: <20050824183034.25755.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES, NEED ABSOLUTE >HEALTH STANDARDS MADE. > >CLYDE > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/b12058d4/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Mad-Scientists mailing list >Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > >End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65 >********************************************** >Clyde-do you suppose maybe you have heavy metals overload? I am on AP therapy, turns out one of the benefits of the Macrolides family of antibiotics helps chelate out toxic metals as well as modulating cytochrome P450 metabolic pathway. I probably have a combined heme and methylation problem and perhaps pyroluric and celiac as well as a buncha' otha' crap wrong. Anyway-got my problems sorted out-but it took a lot of research and I had trouble with local m.d.'s (they were rather limited intellectually-and couldn't believe a patient had more research skills and better diagnostic insight than themselves-ego buster). Copper and any other metal is only important in TRACE amounts-however, if you are slanted a certain way in your metabolic pathways, what works for one person may store too easily in you-or you may not store ENOUGH, like others are able to. Either way you are in trouble if it goes on very long. I found a website that I'd recommend as good for research information on metabolic pathways and supplements-it's called www.acu-cellreasearch.com If this link doesn't work I'll look it up and send it again. Clyde-do me a favor! Please do not cut and paste my stuff and then append your cursing to it, okay, Please! I just hate that-but I care about you-all right? Thanks, Lisa > > From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 15:35:51 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Aug 24 15:35:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS. In-Reply-To: <20050824202628.63881.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050824223551.33667.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES, NEED ABSOLUTE > HEALTH STANDARDS MADE. I would strongly oppose this, as I had in the past, when Hillary Clinton wanted to create a health care plan with mandatory treatments defined by a committee. WHAT WOULD THE LIKELY DECISIONS BE, FROM HER COMMITTEE ON ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS? No alternative medicine, no freedom of choice, etc. I AM REFERRING TO VITAMINS BEING A NATIONAL HEALTH STANDARD, AS WELL AS SPECIFIC FORMS OF ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES BEING A NATIONAL HEALTH STANDARD TOO. That is where absolute standards go. That means, YOU could be treated against your will, I DON'T TRUST OTHERS WHO (WOULD) WANT TO TREAT ME AGAINST MY WILL; THE SAME IS APPLICABLE TO HOW ALL OTHERS WOULD FEEL TOO. as well as blocked from having alternative treatments, such as non-pharmaceutical nutritional treatments. I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. NUTRITION SHOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE STANDARD. WHAT I MEAN IS THAT VITAMINS AND MECHANICAL RESONANT THERAPIES SHOULD BE MADE INTO ABSOLUTE STANDARDS, AND SANITATION SHOULD BE MADE INTO AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT STANDARD AS WELL, TO THE POINT OF FASCIST CONTROL, IF THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES FOR THAT TO SUCCEED. Freedom is the right to chose what you do, even if it may harm you. YEAH, AND I HAVE MADE SOME BAD CHOICES FOR MY SO-CALLED HEALTH CARE, AT THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP, HERE IN TULSA. THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP WANT TO KILL US ALL, IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT, BY LAW. POPULATION CONTROL DISEASES; M.K. ULTRA; AND OTHER UNETHICAL TORTUROUS SHIT TOO. I NEED THERAPY RIGHT NOW, AND SO DO SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE, WHO ARE BEING DENIED IT, AND WHO ARE BEING DEPRIVED OF IT, SOLELY AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FUCKING WEALTHY ELITE. I NEED THERAPY TO BE CONTINUOUS, AND NOT ONLY INTERMITTENT. CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE EQUALLY, IN AMERICA, AND WITH THIS COUNTRY'S ALLIES TOO, BUILT HERE IN AMERICA, WITH QUALITY AND PRIDE, AND BUILT TO WHERE IT IS AFFORDABLE FOR EVERYONE, EQUALLY. THE WAR MACHINE NEEDS TO BE TRANSFOMED INTO THE HEALTH MACHINE; AND I'VE LOST MY MIND. MY BACK HURTS. MY HEART HURTS; AND MY BRAIN HURTS. INSUFFICIENT RESOURCES, PREVENTING ENDLESS PROGRESS; AND HEALTHCARE IS FALLING FAR SHORT OF WHERE IT SHOULD BE; AND OF WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE, FOR US ALL, EQUALLY. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND AN ORTHOMOLECULAR DOCTOR IN THIS PODUNK INDUSTRIAL SLUM, OF TULSA. ARE NUTRICIANISTS AND ORTHOMOLECULAR DOCTORS, THE EXACT SAME; OR ARE THEY DIFFERENT? Chem / Fungus allergies I WANT TO KNOW THE CHEMICAL COMPLEX OF CLONAZEPAM, AND THE AREAS OF THE BODY THAT IT HAS ITS EFFECTS UPON, AND WHAT PORTIONS OF THE CHEMICAL COMPLEX OF CLONAZEPAM ARE SO ADDICTIVE, AND WHY THE EFFECTS DO NOT LAST; WHY THE BODY BUILDS UP A TOLERANCE TO THAT DAMNED DRUG. I DON'T LIKE CLONAZEPAM ANYMORE; IT HAS FAILED LIKE ALL OF THE REST OF THE CHEMICALS. IT HAS BEEN THE CLOSEST DRUG TO BEING A TRUE MEDICINE THOUGH, YET IT IS STILL NOT AN ABSOLUTION. I NEED AN ABSOLUTION AND ABSOLUTIONS, AND ONLY PHYSICS HAS THOSE TO OFFER. CHEMISTRY IS ONLY ENDLESS CYCLES OF CLOAKING THE PAIN AND SUFFERING. Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. VITAMIN C HAS BEEN GOOD TO ME, BUT I NEED MORE THAN JUST THAT ALONE. I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF ALL OF THE BEST VITAMINS AND MINERALS: THE ONE'S WHICH WILL EASE MY FUCKED UP NEUROLOGY INTO PEACE, INSTEAD OF CONTINUAL PAIN. AND THAT WILL ALSO BE OF BENEFIT TO EVERYONE ELSE EQUALLY AS WELL. THE GLOBALIZAION OF VITAMIN CONTROL, WILL NOT BE OF BENEFIT TO ANYONE. THIS COUNTRY NEEDS A HEALTHCARE REVOLUTION. THIS COUNTRY NEEDS OTHER REVOLUTIONS, EQUALLY AS WELL. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/e1a15d2f/attachment-0001.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Aug 24 17:15:09 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Aug 24 17:15:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The customer/supplier/product relationship Message-ID: <00f901c5a90a$0e040a00$6601a8c0@mikey> Any capitalist business requires three things: A supplier, a product/service, and a customer for the product/service. A century ago, my great-grandfather, Dr. Benjamin W. Best, was a physician. He supplied the service of medical care to his customers, the patients. Seventy years ago, my grandfather, John H. Best, a pharmacist, provided medicines to his customers, ailing patients. Notice the relationship- Supplier= physician or pharmacist, product= medical care or medicine, customer= patient. Fast forward to the 21st century, where underwriters pay for medical care. Now the relationship is: Supplier= Professional Associations of physicians, and multinational drug companies Customer, who pays the bills= insurance underwriters PRODUCT= SICK PEOPLE! The entire paradigm of health care is bassackwards! The money is made not from fee-for-services of healing, but from insurance payments, most notably the Socialist Medicare program. The driving force today, the profit incentive, is to make money from the underwriters by selling the patient's illness to the insurers! The bottom line of medical business today is best served by keeping patients ill; NOT curing their ailment. And all this began when Medicare established "Reasonable and Customary Charges!" How does it feel to be a piece of meat in the butcher's market? That is ALL the patient is today! Simply a product to be sold to the highest bidder. My great-grandfather delivered babies for three chickens, or a ham. I have his old account book. What does that service cost the underwriter today? Are YOU the customer, or the product to be sold??? -MB From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 18:11:06 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Aug 24 18:11:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65 In-Reply-To: <430CF0A6.7040108@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20050825011106.34535.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Tim wrote: >Clyde-do you suppose maybe you have heavy metals overload? THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT CHECKING TO SEE IF THAT MAY BE THE CASE; IF MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN (M.D.) IS UNWILLING TO HELP ME OUT ON CHECKING INTO THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO TURN TO FOR HELP. I am on AP therapy, WHAT IS A.P. ABBREVIATED FOR? turns out one of the benefits of the Macrolides family of antibiotics I'D LIKE TO CHECK INTO COLLOIDAL SILVER, TO FIND OUT IF THAT MAY BE OF SOME BENEFIT TO MYSELF, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS AS WELL. THE DOCTORS WERE CONTINUALLY DOING PULSE OX. TESTS ON ME, AND MY OXYGEN LEVEL ALWAYS CHECKED OUT GOOD; AND DRINKING LOT'S OF ANTI-OXIDANTS DOESN'T SEEM TO ALTER THE WAY THAT I FEEL, VERY MUCH. *I WONDER IF MY SYSTEM COULD BE FAR TOO ACIDIC, OR FAR TOO ALKALINE? DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW I CAN CHECK THOSE TWO THINGS? I'D LIKE TO BE CHEMICALLY NEUTRAL, IF POSSIBLE.* helps chelate out toxic metals as well as modulating cytochrome P450 metabolic pathway. MY CARDIOVASCULAR STRESS IS CONSTANTLY HIGH; COULD IT BE HARDENING, AND / OR DAMAGING MY VESSELS AND ARTERIES? THIS GOAL ORIENTED PERFECTIONISM OF MINE, HAS GONE TOO FAR, AND I AM PAYING FOR IT, WITH OVERWHELMING STRESS, HEALTH TROUBLES. I probably have a combined heme and methylation problem and perhaps pyroluric and celiac as well as a buncha' otha' crap wrong. Anyway-got my problems sorted out-but it took a lot of research and I had trouble with local m.d.'s (they were rather limited intellectually-and couldn't believe a patient had more research skills and better diagnostic insight than themselves YEAH; I'M FINDING OUT NOW HOW LIMITED THAT THE M.D.'S TRULY ARE, INTELLECTUALLY, SINCE MY LEARNING OF THE MAD-SCI FORUM, AND THROUGH MY CORRESPONDING WITH JOHN (JAVILK). -ego buster). Copper and any other metal is only important in TRACE amounts-however, I'VE STARTED TAKING NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMINS USUALLY EVERY DAY NOW, WITH AN OCCASIONAL VITAMIN B COMPLEX STRESS REDUCEMENT VITAMIN, ALONG WITH ZINC, ON OCCASION. I HAVE THE NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMIN BOX, HERE IN FRONT OF MYSELF, AND IT SHOWS THAT IT CONTAINS 2 mG'S OF COPPER (OXIDE) IN ITS MIXTURE; NEXT TO THAT, IT READS: 100%, UNDER THE %DV AMOUNT PER TABLET, AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMN. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE (% OF) *DV* STANDS FOR. if you are slanted a certain way in your metabolic pathways, I AM NOW WONDERING IF THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP HAVE CAUSED PERMANENT IRREVERSIBLE HARM, TO MY CARDIOVASCULAR ARRANGEMENT. I THINK I AM HAVING DRUG INDUCED SLEEP APNEA NOW, AT NIGHT TIME, DURING SLEEP. I WAKE UP AT TIMES, FEELING AS THOUGH I'M GOING TO SUFFOCATE IN MY SLEEP, AND ALSO WAKE UP WITH NUMBNESS IN MY ARMS AND LEGS AT TIMES TOO, AND BAD ACHING PAINS IN MY CHEST, IN THE MORNINGS. what works for one person may store too easily in you-or you may not store ENOUGH, like others are able to. I NEED BETTER TESTS RUN ON MYSELF, TO DETERMINE EVERYTHING THAT COULD BE WRONG. THOSE TESTES AREN'T CHEAP THOUGH, FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, AND I AM NOT WEALTHY; SO I CANNOT AFFORD EXPENSIVE TESTS TO BE PERFORMED ON MYSELF. Either way you are in trouble if it goes on very long. IT HAS GONE ON FOR SO LONG NOW THAT I AM NEXT TO DEPERATE FOR ALTERNATIVES THAT WORK, FOR THE REDUCTION OF ALL OF THE OVERWHELMING STRESS THAT I FEEL. PEACE. OH, HOW I DESPERATELY NEED PEACE IN MY LIFE NOW. I found a website that I'd recommend as good for research information on metabolic pathways and supplements-it's called http://www.acu-cellresearch.com I'LL LOOK INTO IT. THANKS FOR SHARING THAT WEBSITE. If this link doesn't work I'll look it up and send it again. Clyde-do me a favor! Please do not cut and paste my stuff DO YOU MEAN BOTH CUT AND PASTE, WHILE ADDING CURSE WORDS TO IT, AT THE SAME TIME? ; OR ARE YOU ONLY WANTING ME TO EXCLUDE ANY CURSE WORDS? and then append your cursing to it, okay, Please! I just hate that- but I care about you-all right? ALRIGHT. Thanks, Lisa SINCERELY; CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/f50d50b6/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 19:03:52 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Aug 24 19:03:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: The customer/supplier/product relationship In-Reply-To: <00f901c5a90a$0e040a00$6601a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050825020352.14211.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Michael Best wrote: Any capitalist business requires three things: A supplier, a product/service, and a customer for the product/service. A century ago, my great-grandfather, Dr. Benjamin W. Best, was a physician. He supplied the service of medical care to his customers, the patients. Seventy years ago, my grandfather, John H. Best, a pharmacist, provided medicines to his customers, ailing patients. Notice the relationship- Supplier= physician or pharmacist, product= medical care or medicine, customer= patient. Fast forward to the 21st century, where underwriters pay for medical care. Now the relationship is: Supplier= Professional Associations of physicians, and multinational drug companies PILL PUSHERS: (THE F'ING COMMERCIALISM OF PHARMACOLOGY.). OBSCENE KHEMICAL KOMPLEXES WITH STUPID COMMERCIALISM NAMES APPLIED TO THEM, AND OVERWHELMING AMOUNTS OF INCLUDED FINE PRINT, THAT THE AVERAGE CIVILIAN HAS NO TIME TO GO THROUGH, AND SORT OUT ALL OF THE SHIT. TELEVISION COMMERICIALISM IS SO DAMNED STUPID, PERTANING TO PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, AND THEIR COMMERCIALISM. I GET SO TIRED OF ALL OF THE STUPID TELEVISION COMMERCIALS OF DRUG ADDS / DRUG CAMPAINS. THE COMPLEX FINE PRINT WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS TO THE AVERAGE END USER, INCLUDED WITH PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. THE CADUCEUS CRAP PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX, AND THE DOCTORS THAT THEY OWN AND OPERATE, CONTINUE TO RAKE IN ALL OF THE MOUNTAINS OF INSURANCE INTRAFUCKTURE DOUGH, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT; NOW I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. Customer, who pays the bills= insurance underwriters PRODUCT= SICK PEOPLE! DAMN STRAIGHT! EVEN THE CHIROPRACTOR HAS PERMANENTLY PUT MY SPINE OUT OF ALLIGNMENT, TOO, I THINK, TO WHERE I WILL NEED ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, OR UNTIL THE MEDICARE COVERAGE RUNS OUT, AND THEN I WILL BE SCREWED, WITH MAJOR BACK PAIN, AND BACK DISCOMFORT. I THINK MY SPINE WILL NEVER PERMANANTLY HEAL, BACK TO WHAT IT WAS LIKE, WHEN I WAS A NEWBORN BABY. The entire paradigm of health care is bassackwards! YES. AND THE EDUCATIONAL, AND THE FINANCIAL, AND THE INSURANCE INFRASTRUCTURES / INTRAFUCKTURES ARE ALL IN ON IT TOGETHER; YET IT GOES DEEPER THAN THAT. MILITARY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. FINANCIAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. POLITICAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. EDUCATIONAL KOMPLEX. BANKING KOMPLEX. AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. MINING INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. PLANT HARVESTING KOMPLEX. ELEKTRICAL ENERGY GENERATION AND DISTRIBUTION INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. SLAVE LABOR WORKERS UNIONS. ETC...... AND THERE IS MORE THAT I KNOW THAT I HAVE LEFT OUT, YET CANNOT THINK OF, AT THIS TIME. The money is made not from fee-for-services of healing, but from insurance payments, most notably the Socialist Medicare program. I FEEL LIKE THE PRESIDENTS: THE BUSHES AND THE CLINTON'S EQUALLY, AND MOST OF THE SO-CALLED LEADERSHIP NOW, ARE SOCIALISTS; THEY CARE NOTHING ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS EDUCATION SUCCESS; THEIR ONLY CONCERN IS OVERFLOWING THEIR POCKETS WITH DOUGH, BEFORE THEY ARE KICKED OUT OF OFFICE, AND HAVE NO CONCERN ABOUT EDUCATION TEACHING INDEPENDENT CAPITALISM, AND FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE FOR THE MASSES (WE THE PEOPLE.). F.D.R. STARTED SOCIAL SLAVERY SO-CALLED SECURITY; BUT HERBERT HOOVER, THE PRECEEDING PRESIDENT BEFORE ROOSEVELT, WAS BLAMED FOR THE DEPRESSION. SO WHEN WAS THE END OF CAPITALISM BEING TAUGHT, IN THE MAINSTREAM EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, IF IT WAS EVEN EVER TAUGHT AT ALL, IN THE MAINSTREAM EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, FOR THE FINANCIAL SUCCESS AND INDEPENDENCE FOR ALL SMALL BUSINESS ENTHUSIAST AMERICANS, EQUALLY? I'M CONFUSED AS HELL. THE FASCIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST FAILING PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL SHITSTEM, DOESN'T TEACH TO BE INDEPENDENT CAPITALISTS; IT TEACHES JOBS, WORKFORCE, AND IN THE END; SOCIAL SLAVERY SO-CALLED SECURITY. The driving force today, the profit incentive, is to make money from the underwriters by selling the patient's illness to the insurers! The bottom line of medical business today is best served by keeping patients ill; NOT curing their ailment. DAMN STRAIGHT! And all this began when Medicare established "Reasonable and Customary Charges!" How does it feel to be a piece of meat in the butcher's market? That is ALL the patient is today! Simply a product to be sold to the highest bidder. My great-grandfather delivered babies for three chickens, or a ham. I have his old account book. What does that service cost the underwriter today? Are YOU the customer, or the product to be sold??? GOOD POINTS! BUT I'VE LOST MY MIND, AND DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO BACK TO DO ANY FURTHER REVISIONS TO THIS POSTING. CLYDE -MB __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/18a9523d/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Aug 24 21:47:47 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Aug 24 21:47:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65 In-Reply-To: <20050825011106.34535.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 24, 2005 06:11:06 PM Message-ID: <20050825044747.23716.qmail@mall-net.com> > I'D LIKE TO CHECK INTO COLLOIDAL SILVER, TO FIND OUT IF THAT MAY BE OF SOME BENEFIT TO MYSELF, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS AS WELL. Only if you have some kind of infection. Longer term use colloidal silver produces a PERMANENTLY gray pallor. I've seen in in some older folks who used colloidal silver before the antibiotics revolution of the mid to late 50's. it does not look good! Maybe not quite "tin man", but mildly disturbing to see. > THE DOCTORS WERE CONTINUALLY DOING PULSE OX. TESTS ON ME, AND MY OXYGEN LEVEL ALWAYS CHECKED OUT GOOD; Why were they doing that? Do they realize that the Pulsox method of sensing oxygen will not detect carbon monoxide poisoning? People with carbon monoxide poisoning typically look a little reddish because CO bound hemoglobin is as red or redder than oxygen bound hemoglobin. > *I WONDER IF MY SYSTEM COULD BE FAR TOO ACIDIC, OR FAR TOO ALKALINE? > DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW I CAN CHECK THOSE TWO THINGS? Urine pH. You can get some pH strips; just get something which is a little narrower in range, say 5.5 - 7, so that there is good color separation between the bands. 5.2 - 7.8 isn't that bad; but it's easier to tell the color change when the band is narrower. This will not tell you blood pH; but in a reasonably healthy person, the kidneys adjust blood pH, so if your urine is alkaline, your blood tends to be also. Sleep apnea is more common in people who have alkaline blood. Acidity drives respiration. Raising blood acidity will make you breathe deeper to adjust it. > I'D LIKE TO BE CHEMICALLY NEUTRAL, IF POSSIBLE.* Don't know if that is a good idea. > helps chelate out toxic metals as well as modulating cytochrome P450 metabolic pathway. I have chelation therapy with disodium EDTA periodically. It helps. If this is a problem, one needs to make sure one is getting enough salt, as those with porphyria tend to dump salts just before a major attack. > MY CARDIOVASCULAR STRESS IS CONSTANTLY HIGH; COULD IT BE HARDENING, AND / OR DAMAGING MY VESSELS AND ARTERIES? If you get enough vitamin C and magnesium, and can keep the blood pressure down, it would be better. Garlic and onions will lower blood pressure, but can get you fired from jobs where you have to deal with the public. (Unless, maybe, you can deal with a good Italian community.) > THIS GOAL ORIENTED PERFECTIONISM OF MINE, HAS GONE TOO FAR, AND I AM PAYING FOR IT, WITH OVERWHELMING STRESS, HEALTH TROUBLES. Remember, it is more perfect to get things done, than to not get them done. And many times, when you get the thing done, you see that something else is needed, so the perfectionism delayed things and made them more expensive. Most needs change. Perfectionism is often very inflexible when it comes to meeting changing needs. > I probably have a combined heme and methylation problem and perhaps > pyroluric and celiac as well as a buncha' otha' crap wrong. Every been tested for porphyria? > Anyway-got my problems sorted out-but it took a lot of research and I > had trouble with local m.d.'s (they were rather limited > intellectually-and couldn't believe a patient had more research skills > and better diagnostic insight than themselves Yep. > > I'VE STARTED TAKING NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMINS USUALLY EVERY DAY NOW, WITH AN OCCASIONAL VITAMIN B COMPLEX STRESS REDUCEMENT VITAMIN, ALONG WITH ZINC, ON OCCASION. > I HAVE THE NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMIN BOX, HERE IN FRONT OF MYSELF, AND IT SHOWS THAT IT CONTAINS 2 mG'S OF COPPER (OXIDE) IN ITS MIXTURE; NEXT TO THAT, IT READS: 100%, UNDER THE %DV AMOUNT PER TABLET, AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMN. > I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE (% OF) *DV* STANDS FOR. Probably means Daily Value, as opposed to the FDA's RDA (Recommended Daily Allowance), which is usually geared to an underweight sedentary worker. > I AM NOW WONDERING IF THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP HAVE CAUSED PERMANENT IRREVERSIBLE HARM, TO MY CARDIOVASCULAR ARRANGEMENT. > I THINK I AM HAVING DRUG INDUCED SLEEP APNEA NOW, AT NIGHT TIME, DURING SLEEP. > I WAKE UP AT TIMES, FEELING AS THOUGH I'M GOING TO SUFFOCATE IN MY SLEEP, AND ALSO WAKE UP WITH NUMBNESS IN MY ARMS AND LEGS AT TIMES TOO, AND BAD ACHING PAINS IN MY CHEST, IN THE MORNINGS. That almost sounds like carbon monoxide poisoning. It could also be a pillow allergy, misalignment of the neck due to a bad pillow, and some other things. > I NEED BETTER TESTS RUN ON MYSELF, TO DETERMINE EVERYTHING THAT COULD BE WRONG. > THOSE TESTES AREN'T CHEAP THOUGH, FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, AND I AM NOT WEALTHY; SO I CANNOT AFFORD EXPENSIVE TESTS TO BE PERFORMED ON MYSELF. That is a problem. Some things you can test yourself. Typing speed or speed in tapping some pattern as if on a musical instrument can be a window onto neurological function. Even if you don't find ways of proving or disproving specific hypotheses, you can run tests of performance, such as finger coordination, lung volume, or maybe how many pushups or pullups you can do, and try to correlate them to foods, medicines, and where you are. For example, if you can get some means of measuring lung volume or breath strength, you can see if you do better in the morning, before going to work, later in the day at work, mid evening at home, and just before bed time. This should give you a clue about exposures and allergens. If the morning is bad, then bed and pillow, or laundry detergents become suspect. (You are not using fabric softener, are you? Number one suspect in night time problems is fabric softener and detergent. And then gas appliances and ventilation.) > IT HAS GONE ON FOR SO LONG NOW THAT I AM NEXT TO DEPERATE FOR ALTERNATIVES THAT WORK, FOR THE REDUCTION OF ALL OF THE OVERWHELMING STRESS THAT I FEEL. > PEACE. > OH, HOW I DESPERATELY NEED PEACE IN MY LIFE NOW. When we find and eliminate what is triggering your adrenals, your whole sense of what is going on will change for the better. http://www.acu-cellresearch.com Not a working site. Tried both acu and accu. Do you mean http://www.acu-cell.com perchance? > > Clyde-do me a favor! Please do not cut and paste my stuff DO YOU MEAN BOTH CUT AND PASTE, WHILE ADDING CURSE WORDS TO IT, AT THE SAME TIME? OR ARE YOU ONLY WANTING ME TO EXCLUDE ANY CURSE WORDS? It is well accepted internet protocol to edit out sections of the previous reply which are no longer relevant to the discussion. Curse words and diatribes, we can all do without. They basically show that you are up against the wall and no longer thinking clearly. We know that already from the capitalization. But sometimes that IS life, and we rooting for you, hoping you'll get better and feel more comfortable with your life to the point where you can see beyond the diatribes and stereotypes. Meanwhile, you are telling us that you are alive! And we do want to hear that. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Aug 24 22:30:57 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Aug 24 22:31:03 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS. In-Reply-To: <20050824223551.33667.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 24, 2005 03:35:51 PM Message-ID: <20050825053057.42498.qmail@mall-net.com> > > THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES, NEED ABSOLUTE > > HEALTH STANDARDS MADE. > > I would strongly oppose this, as I had in the past, when Hillary > Clinton wanted to create a health care plan with mandatory treatments > defined by a committee. > > WHAT WOULD THE LIKELY DECISIONS BE, FROM HER COMMITTEE ON ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS? Well, the legislation didn't specify the treatments; but I think only two of five committee members were to be doctors. So you know that the first goal is getting costs down. Then they wanted 15 year jail terms for patients asking doctors about other treatments, and 15 year jail terms for offering treatments not in the official book. It was totally nutso! The state owns your carcas and can make you take whatever pharmaceuticals it wants to give you??? Even the soviet union wasn't that bad as long as you stayed out of their psych prisons. http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/06-21-99/vo15no13_overdose.htm And numerous other pages, just look for hillarycare or hillarycare jail > I AM REFERRING TO VITAMINS BEING A NATIONAL HEALTH STANDARD, AS WELL AS SPECIFIC FORMS OF ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES BEING A NATIONAL HEALTH STANDARD TOO. Slowly, the insurance companies are giving in to customer demand. But vitamins are a standard now. Just look at the RDAs put out by the FDA. Unfortunately, like any standard, they can be off. They are generally VERY LOW for specifics like vitamin C, B12, Niacin, etc. And those needs DO vary WIDELY for people, depending upon health, genetics, and occupation. > I DON'T TRUST OTHERS WHO (WOULD) WANT TO TREAT ME AGAINST MY WILL; THE SAME IS APPLICABLE TO HOW ALL OTHERS WOULD FEEL TOO. Yep! If they enacted such legislation, I would have to leave America to survive. And let me tell you, I love this country, and consider my citizenship the highest award I could ever get for anything! My parents risked their lives to support what America stands for, and worked very hard to make sure they got citizenship and that I was born a citizen. And I thank them for it. > NUTRITION SHOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE STANDARD. But the needs vary so much. Not just with age, but with work environment, genetics, etc. > WHAT I MEAN IS THAT VITAMINS AND MECHANICAL RESONANT THERAPIES SHOULD BE MADE INTO ABSOLUTE STANDARDS, AND SANITATION SHOULD BE MADE INTO AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT STANDARD AS WELL, TO THE POINT OF FASCIST CONTROL, IF THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES FOR THAT TO SUCCEED. No way! People need to be free to chose what fits their needs. And if they are stupid enough to do dumb things despite readily available information, well... that's freedom. I for one oppose seatbelt and helmet laws. If you are that stupid, you have a right to die. But if you are in my car, and you don't fasten your seatbeld, I am not going to take you anywhere! > Freedom is the right to chose what you do, even if it may harm you. > > YEAH, AND I HAVE MADE SOME BAD CHOICES FOR MY SO-CALLED HEALTH CARE, AT THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP, HERE IN TULSA. > THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP WANT TO KILL US ALL, IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT, BY LAW. No, they do not want to kill you! They may be misguided, poorly trained, or constrained by financial realities; but it is really hard to find someone with an MD who is willing to kill you even if you ASK for it! Kavorkian is a rarity. Evil doctors, almost non-existent. Almost. > I NEED THERAPY RIGHT NOW, AND SO DO SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE, WHO ARE BEING DENIED IT, AND WHO ARE BEING DEPRIVED OF IT, SOLELY AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FUCKING WEALTHY ELITE. Not that simple. There are more doctors than are needed, and they are in competition. The wealthy get fleeced too, more so than you. > I NEED THERAPY TO BE CONTINUOUS, AND NOT ONLY INTERMITTENT. I think what you need, is the RIGHT therapy, not continuous therapy. The right therapy will cure you. Or more likely, figuring out what is really wrong can enable YOU to cure yourself. It's that maddening set of symptoms. If they are allergenic or a nutritional imbalance, then simply doing the right things will result in your symptoms going away to a fair extent. > AND HEALTHCARE IS FALLING FAR SHORT OF WHERE IT SHOULD BE; AND OF WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE, FOR US ALL, EQUALLY. We die. As long as we die, healthcare is falling short. But it is a long, long way from what it was in the days of bloodletting, leaches and mercury compounds used to treat all kinds of infections. And even that was way, way more advanced than ancient Greece, where the average lifespan was about age 35. So we ain't there yet. But we're making progress. What we really need to do, is study whale DNA to see why they can live 260 years, and we can't. > For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices > orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. > > I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND AN ORTHOMOLECULAR DOCTOR IN THIS PODUNK INDUSTRIAL SLUM, OF TULSA. > > ARE NUTRICIANISTS AND ORTHOMOLECULAR DOCTORS, THE EXACT SAME; OR ARE THEY DIFFERENT? Very different! > I WANT TO KNOW THE CHEMICAL COMPLEX OF CLONAZEPAM, AND THE AREAS OF THE BODY THAT IT HAS ITS EFFECTS UPON, AND WHAT PORTIONS OF THE CHEMICAL COMPLEX OF CLONAZEPAM ARE SO ADDICTIVE, AND WHY THE EFFECTS DO NOT LAST; WHY THE BODY BUILDS UP A TOLERANCE TO THAT DAMNED DRUG. I do not know. Some of that is in the PDR. You can look that up in the library. Start with the manufacturer of the drug, and look for the drug name in the manufacturer's section of the index. > CHEMISTRY IS ONLY ENDLESS CYCLES OF CLOAKING THE PAIN AND SUFFERING. Yep. To cure, you need to know what is really wrong, what is causing all the symptoms. Modern allopathic medicine only cares about symptoms, not cures. > Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. > > > VITAMIN C HAS BEEN GOOD TO ME, BUT I NEED MORE THAN JUST THAT ALONE. > I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF ALL OF THE BEST VITAMINS AND MINERALS: > THE ONE'S WHICH WILL EASE MY FUCKED UP NEUROLOGY INTO PEACE, INSTEAD OF CONTINUAL PAIN. I still think you need to be tested for porphyria and pyroluria.\ And need to get a GOOD carbon monoxide detector, NOT one of the UL approved pieces of junk! UL approval means they WILL NOT detect down to the 10ppm range which harms many people. See http://www.aeromedix.com > THE GLOBALIZAION OF VITAMIN CONTROL, WILL NOT BE OF BENEFIT TO ANYONE. > THIS COUNTRY NEEDS A HEALTHCARE REVOLUTION. > THIS COUNTRY NEEDS OTHER REVOLUTIONS, EQUALLY AS WELL. Revolutions tend to leave too many casualties. More doctors committed suicide as a result of the cure of tuberculosis, which put many clinics and doctors out of business; than stockbrokers did during the start of the Great Depression. Evolutions are better, gentler, and more satisfying to all concerned. And, because they are more gradual, as we learn, we get to do better. Revolutions are basically one-shot deals in which another class of people take control and, well, screw everyone else. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . 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The High Energy Laser Area Defense System (HELLADS), being designed by the Pentagon's central research and development agency, will weigh just 750 kg (1,650 lb) and measures the size of a large fridge. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050824/tc_nm/laser_dc&printer=1;_ylt=A9FJqYuHyw 1DDCcBYAlU.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE or... http://snipurl.com/h7uf From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 10:14:50 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Aug 25 10:15:01 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (PLEASE FORWARD:) THE NEW AMERICAN WAY. Message-ID: <20050825171450.19966.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> THE NEW AMERICAN WAY: THE HARDER YOU WORK, THE LESS YOU GET PAID, AND THE FURTHER AND FURTHER BEHIND THAT YOU GET. AMERICA HAS BECOME ASS BACKWARDS. COPYRIGHT (C) 2005, BY: CLYDE LOFTON --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050825/90f2787e/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Thu Aug 25 10:55:58 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Thu Aug 25 10:56:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Today in history, for better or worse Message-ID: <000201c5a99e$4004a3e0$6601a8c0@mikey> With Windows 95's Debut, Microsoft Scales Heights of Hype By David Segal Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, August 24, 1995; Page A14 You can hide under a bridge, row a boat to the middle of the ocean or wedge yourself under the sofa, cover your ears and then hum loudly. But get near a newspaper, radio, television or computer retailer today and you will experience the multimillion-dollar hype surrounding the launch of Windows 95. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/longterm/microsoft/stories/199 5/debut082495.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 11:14:46 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Aug 25 11:22:32 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various Medical And Financial Controversial Material. Message-ID: <20050825181446.62954.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Somehow and some way, a grand unified multilateral and equalateral lawsuit needs to be brought against the pharmacology industry stranglehold dicktatorship, over the Food And Drug Administration, and a multilateral and equalateral lawsuit over the financial intrafuckture, needs to take place, to ensure the future survival of this now screwed country of modern America. Clyde Lofton __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050825/6cd34f55/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 11:41:39 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Aug 25 11:41:51 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] AMERICAN IDIOT, SONG LYRICS. Message-ID: <20050825184139.41431.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> 1. http://www.greendayweb.yaia.com/lyricsamericanidiot.html 2. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/greenday/americanidiot.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050825/b2dc7f43/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Thu Aug 25 12:25:22 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Thu Aug 25 12:25:27 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] AMERICAN IDIOT, SONG LYRICS Message-ID: <000d01c5a9aa$bcd1fce0$6601a8c0@mikey> Just another asshole who cannot see the real problem. He needs to look in the mirror! The USA didn't sink to this level without the tacit approval of the populace, those who prefer bread and circuses to individual effort. This will not change until unmarried inner-city welfare-baby-factory females zip their pants and go to work. As much as the African-American segment decries the illegal Mexican immigrant for taking jobs, maybe the Mexican president had it right- the illegal Mexicans take jobs that welfare mommas refuse, as collecting MY tax dollars for bastard children is far easier than honest work. And the Liberal Media supports this Socialist redistribution of wealth, this song included. -MB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050825/07cb7d75/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Aug 25 13:16:13 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Aug 25 13:16:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (PLEASE FORWARD:) THE NEW AMERICAN WAY. In-Reply-To: <20050825171450.19966.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 25, 2005 10:14:50 AM Message-ID: <20050825201613.5175.qmail@mall-net.com> > THE NEW AMERICAN WAY: > > THE HARDER YOU WORK, THE > LESS YOU GET PAID, AND THE > FURTHER AND FURTHER BEHIND > THAT YOU GET. This has always been true, and not just in America. But something else has also always been true: The Smarter you work, the More you get paid. > AMERICA HAS BECOME ASS > BACKWARDS. Not really. As Proteus Steinmetz, genius of the dawning age of electricity wrote on one bill: "For putting the mark on the generator, $1.00. For knowing where to put the mark, $999." Which was, at the time, probably the equivalent of $200,000 in today's money. To make decent money in the corporate world, it takes a degree, a good set of clothes, and some friends to introduce you. You don't have to be smart, just act like a gentleman. To make a fortune, you have to figure out what is needed, take risks, and be right. That does not take a lot of smarts, either! Just a hell of a lot more guts and perseverance than most other people have. You are not going to make a fortune working for someone else, or working for yourself. You have to work FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS! You have to find them, size up their wallets and willingness to pay, and then figure out what they want that you can sell them. Some of those needs are simple, like the one satisfied by an accordion folded piece of cardboard to keep the sun off the car seats. (And how many years was it that no one else had that idea???) Some of them will be a lot more complex, like the Sharper Image gadget that uses RF to assess the bone/muscle/fat ratios of a person. If there is a desire, and you can find it, make sure you really have something that people will buy, and provide it; then you can make a fortune. Why don't more people make a fortune? 1. Inertia! also known as watching TV. The greatest brain killer in America is not cocaine, marijuana, aspartame, or addictive pain killers. It is the TELEVISION SET!!! It's also the greatest destroyer of health, turning people into fat brainless zombies. 2. FEAR of losing what you have. Most people are too comfortable to try. That's why most of the really successful people came to America with no money in their pockets -- they didn't have anything to lose! So they went out and Tried new ideas till they found a good one. Often, it wasn't even their own idea, but something someone else had and wasn't willing to risk doing right. 3. Believing too much in your idea; also known as Lack of Market Testing -- the fastest way of losing, is to design something for yourself, and not test market it before investing scads of money to swing it into production. 4. And of course, stupidity in managing the results. Most entrepreneurs fail two to three times before they succeed. There's a lot of learning that takes place, learning you can't get in business school or hire! YOU have to manage the risk so that when things start to fail, you are not going to go down with the ship Psychologically!!! You have to be strong enough that even if all is blown away, you will pick yourself up, think a lot about what you just learned, and try again with some other idea. Most of the real successes end up stepping aside at some level of success and letting real managers do the managing. They end up setting goals and strategies, or starting yet another company. You want to work hard? Go pound rocks with a sledge hammer. See if that make you any money. You want to succeed? Think about what people WANT, and are willing to pay for. Then think about how you will get OTHERS to work hard for you, because your job isn't to work hard, it's to work smart, to figure out how to keep the company working hard to satisfy the right customer needs and find new customers. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Aug 25 13:25:44 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Aug 25 13:25:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various Medical And Financial Controversial In-Reply-To: <20050825181446.62954.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 25, 2005 11:14:46 AM Message-ID: <20050825202544.9959.qmail@mall-net.com> > Somehow and some way, a grand > unified multilateral and equalateral > lawsuit needs to be brought against > the pharmacology industry stranglehold > dicktatorship, over the Food And Drug > Administration, and a multilateral and > equalateral lawsuit over the financial > intrafuckture, needs to take place, to > ensure the future survival of this now > screwed country of modern America. The only thing you can do, is to expose FDA employee stock ownership. Other than that, you can't really sue the pharmaceutical industry for not saying anything about alternatives. You can only sue them about lies, like bad statistics on side effects, not reporting side effects, etc. And we are already doing that. Economics is economics. It's the same for organisms living in the pond as it is for corporations living in the towns. They all need energy and compete for that energy with other similar organisms. The only real difference, is that our corporations follow laws designed to limit the carnage that fierce competition always creates. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 14:42:22 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Aug 25 14:42:28 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] BUSINESS, AND MARKETING STRATEGY. In-Reply-To: <20050825201613.5175.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050825214222.88109.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk@mall-net.com wrote: Most of the real successes end up stepping aside at some level of success and letting real managers do the managing. IF MY TALKING CLOCK PROJECT IS TO SUCCEED, DO I NEED SOME SORT OF MANAGEMENT TO GET THE BLASTED THING INTO MASS PRODUCTION AND MARKETING? I DO NOT WANT THE TALKING CLOCK TO BE MASS PRODUCED IN WORTHLESS SHIT CHINA, OR ANY OTHER TURD WORLD COUNTRY. I WANT IT MANUFACTURED HERE IN THE U.S.A. ONLY; MAYBE POSSIBLY JAPAN OR GERMANY THOUGH, AS ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS. They end up setting goals and strategies, or starting yet another company. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT STARTING COMPANY AFTER COMPANY. I AM ONLY INTERESTED IN ONE SINGLE BUSINESS TRADE NAME THAT I CAN SELFISHLY KEEP TO MYSELF AND TO MYSELF ALONE, FOR LIFE. I'VE GOT A BUSINESS TITLE, AND I HAVE IT SELF COPYRIGHTED. I DO NOT HAVE THE BUSINESS TITLE REGISTERED THOUGH, WITH THE PATENTS, TRADEMARKS AND COPYRIGHTS OFFICE(S). DO I NEED TO GO THAT ROUTE, TO SECURE THE BUSINESS NAME 'BETTER'? AND I DON'T HAVE A MOUNTAINLOAD OF MONEY TO SPEND ON THE COPYRIGHTING PROCESS EITHER, OR ON A LAWYER AT THE SAME DAMNED TIME TOO. I WANT THE TALKING CLOCK PROJECT TO SUCCEED. I HAVE BOTH THE WILL AND THE DETERMINATION FOR IT TO SUCCEED; I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THE MARKETING STRATEGY FOR IT, SO THAT IT WILL TURN OUT TO BE A PERFECT SUCCESS, AND BE OF BENEFIT TO BOTH MYSELF, AND TO OTHERS, EQUALLY. I DON'T KNOW JACK ABOUT HOW TO GO ABOUT MARKETING THE TALKING CLOCK. I HAVE REVISED MY MARKET STUDY FOR IT YET AGAIN, AND WILL POST THE REVISION FOLLOWING THIS E-MAIL POSTING, TO GET FEEDBACK. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050825/295caf85/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 14:59:48 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Aug 25 15:00:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various Medical And Financial Controversial In-Reply-To: <20050825202544.9959.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050825215948.13548.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > Somehow and some way, a grand > unified multilateral and equalateral > lawsuit needs to be brought against > the pharmacology industry stranglehold > dicktatorship, over the Food And Drug > Administration, and a multilateral and > equalateral lawsuit over the financial > intrafuckture, needs to take place, to > ensure the future survival of this now > screwed country of modern America. The only thing you can do, is to expose FDA employee stock ownership. GOOD; LET'S EXPOSE IT ALL. EVERYTHING! Other than that, you can't really sue the pharmaceutical industry for not saying anything about alternatives. You can only sue them about lies, YES; LET'S SUE THE HELL OUT OF THEM, ON A GRAND UNIFIED SCALE ABOUT ALL OF THEIR F'ING LIES. like bad statistics on side effects, not reporting side effects, etc. And we are already doing that. YES; OK., AND LET'S KEEP DOING IT, UNTIL WE BREAK THEIR F'ING BACKS, AND UNTIL WE BREAK THE BACKS OF THE F'ING CORRUPT AS HELL FINANCIAL INTRAFUCKTURE TOO. I NEED ENERGY INDEPENDENCE, AS WELL AS PEACE, SEVERELY BAD, IN THE STATE OF COLORADO, AND NOT IN THIS SHITHOLE INDUSTRIAL ENDLESS GO NOWHERE FOREVER SLUM, OF TULSA OKLAHOMA. TULSA OKLAHOMA ENVIRON-MENTALISM HAS MADE ME SO SICK AND TIRED. TULSA IS A PRISON. AND THERE APPEARS TO BE NO PERMANENT ESCAPE FROM THIS MANMADE HELL ON EARTH. Economics is economics. It's the same for organisms living in the pond as it is for corporations living in the towns. They all need energy and compete for that energy with other similar organisms. The only real difference, is that our corporations follow laws designed to limit the carnage that fierce competition always creates. YEAH, AND A LOT, IF NOT ALL OF THOSE F'ING CORPORATIONS BREAK THE LAWS TOO. DIRTY MONEY, AND MONEY LAUNDERING SCHEMES AND SCAMS THAT PROBABLY GO ON AND ON, DAY IN AND DAY OUT, IN THE IVORY EIFFEL WORLD TRADE TOWERS OF THIS STATE, AND OTHER MAJOR SHITTIES IN OTHER SHTATES AND STATES. THE FAT ASS BANKS NEED TO BE PUNCTURED ON FOUR SIDES, TO RELEASE THEIR DIRTY ROTTEN FILTHY STINKING RICH GOLD SILO GREED; IVORY EIFFEL WORLD TRADE TOWER GLOBALIST-ISM TOWERS. I'VE LOST MY MIND AGAIN. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050825/23ac1133/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 15:05:02 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Aug 25 15:05:07 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] love the future In-Reply-To: <1d4.42e1f2c8.303f9569@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050825220502.10904.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> HEY, THAT'S A BADASS WEBSITE! THANKS FOR SHARING IT. CLYDE Vesta111@aol.com wrote: Don't you just love this Berkeley site, they show such brilliance, they misspelled part of the address. I have a reason to misspell, wonder what theirs is? Regards Vesta http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/news_events/exhibits/futuristics/index.html No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050825/f29ddf1b/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Aug 25 15:15:05 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 25 15:15:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Essential micronutrients Message-ID: <1ea.43a8b3a2.303f9ce9@aol.com> In a message dated 8/24/2005 3:49:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mbest@triad.rr.com writes: Most drugs are toxic, but as a rule of thumb, the toxic dose (LDlo, or the lowest dose that causes mortality for any individual) is at least twice the therapeutically effective dose. For most drugs, this ratio is much, much larger. But the dose makes the poison. This brings back memories, and of all people my Great Grand Mother. She seldom spoke of her childhood but would talk my ear off about life as a young woman in the 1880ies . Back in that time up into the first world war, it became fashionable for woman in society to keep their skin as white and blemish free as possible. No woman would go out into the sun without huge hats, gloves, all skin hidden by clothing. No sun was to get to the skin. Now, somewhere or somehow it was discovered that small amounts of arsenic ingested would cause the skin to become like porcelain. A sheen and glow, pure white. This was the ideal of beauty, a lady was known by her sunless skin. Too bad that eventually the arsenic began to build in the body, sooner or later a toxic dose had build in the tissue. The beautiful young woman died for vanity. Thanks for bringing out that long ago memory. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050825/1054e28a/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 15:30:57 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Aug 25 15:31:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND, FOR BROADCASTERS, AND FOR AMATEUR RADIO REPEATER OWNERS. Message-ID: <20050825223058.99332.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> {THIS MARKET STUDY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE RETROFITTED IN BRAILLE FORMAT AS WELL, FOR BLIND FOLKS, LIKE JOHN SAID, IN THE PAST:} TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND, FOR BROADCASTERS, AND FOR AMATEUR RADIO REPEATER OWNERS: Hello. I'm Clyde Lofton. I am attempting to work toward the creation of a minimalistically designed, American made, American quality, professional talking clock unit that will be synchronizable to the global positioning system, for perfect time keeping accuracy. The talking clock will be available for private use in homes, for use by amateur radio repeater owners, and for use, in broadcast facilities. The talking clock unit will be designed as minimal as possible, for maximum ease of use. The talking clock will have its own internal quartz crystal oscillator which will give it the ability to be used as a stand alone device, by itself, or as a voltage controlled device, for synchronocity to the global positioning system, so that the clock will have the ability to be continually updated to the Universal Coordinated Time (U.T.C.) clock, time code standard, originating in Fort Collins Colorado, to keep the talking clock continually set to its correct time. To insure that the talking clock is a success; I am doing this trite market study, to receive all feedback answers to the following questions: 1. Would the blind community, the amatuer radio repeater owner community, and the broadcasting communities, be interested in a talking clock unit that is manufactured, in the United States, using only the highest of quality parts and components? A talking clock unit that is built with the highest of integrity in its workmanship, and one that is always reliable, and on perfect time, when connected, as part of the global positioning system? Circle: YES or NO 2. What would the blind community, all amateur radio repeater owners, and broadcasters, be willing to pay, for an American integrity talking clock unit? Here is an example: The Omnicron Electronics model TCC-14, talking clock/calendar unit, sells for $445.00, when purchased brand new. The talking clock unit would have to be either comparable in cost to the Omnicron Electronics talking clock/calendar unit, or would have to be lower in cost from the Omnicron Electronics talking clock/calendar unit. What price range would the blind community, the amateur radio repeater owner community, and the broadcast engineering communities, be willing to pay for a professional, American quality- -American integrity, user friendly, talking clock unit? Potential price ranges are: $200.00 to $300.00, Or: $300.00 to $400.00? Please put your response here: $ . Thank you very much for your cooperation in this survey. {THE FOLLOWING PORTION WOULD BE FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED FOLKS ONLY:} {Please return the completed survey, to --------------------------------------------, of the Nebraska Commission For The Blind And Visually Impaired.} Thank You Sincerely; Clyde Lofton Tulsa, Oklahoma __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050825/f305e044/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Aug 25 17:59:34 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Aug 25 17:59:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Various Medical And Financial Controversial In-Reply-To: <20050825215948.13548.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 25, 2005 02:59:48 PM Message-ID: <20050826005934.68620.qmail@mall-net.com> > javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > Somehow and some way, a grand > > unified multilateral and equalateral > > lawsuit needs to be brought against > > the pharmacology industry stranglehold > > dicktatorship, over the Food And Drug > > Administration, and a multilateral and > > equalateral lawsuit over the financial > > intrafuckture, needs to take place, to > > ensure the future survival of this now > > screwed country of modern America. > > The only thing you can do, is to expose FDA employee stock > ownership. > > > GOOD; LET'S EXPOSE IT ALL. > > EVERYTHING! You need a list of employees, and then to do research on the Securities and Exchange Commission. I'm not sure of the details, but stock ownership is supposed to be public information WHEN HELD BY THE PERSON. Usually, the brokerage house holds the stock. > Other than that, you can't really sue the pharmaceutical industry > for not saying anything about alternatives. You can only sue them about > lies, > > YES; LET'S SUE THE HELL OUT OF THEM, ON A GRAND UNIFIED SCALE ABOUT ALL OF THEIR F'ING LIES. Only the families that were damaged by the falsehood can sue. That's a civil court matter, not a criminal court matter. But lying to the FDA and in advertising is a crime for the criminal courts. The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) oversees some of the advertising issues. > like bad statistics on side effects, not reporting side effects, > etc. And we are already doing that. > YES; OK., AND LET'S KEEP DOING IT, UNTIL WE BREAK THEIR F'ING BACKS, AND UNTIL WE BREAK THE BACKS OF THE F'ING CORRUPT AS HELL FINANCIAL INTRAFUCKTURE TOO. > I NEED ENERGY INDEPENDENCE, AS WELL AS PEACE, SEVERELY BAD, IN THE STATE OF COLORADO, AND NOT IN THIS SHITHOLE INDUSTRIAL ENDLESS GO NOWHERE FOREVER SLUM, OF TULSA OKLAHOMA. > TULSA OKLAHOMA ENVIRON-MENTALISM HAS MADE ME SO SICK AND TIRED. > TULSA IS A PRISON. > AND THERE APPEARS TO BE NO PERMANENT ESCAPE FROM THIS MANMADE HELL ON EARTH. That's a different issue. Tulsa is not a prison in that they are not keeping you there. You are free to leave any time you wish, be it on foot, bus, car, train or plane. Whether it is feasible for you is another matter. So you have to admit that Tulsa is better for you than elsewhere. That's not a prison, it's a dependency relationship. We all depend on jobs, money, food, etc. > Economics is economics. It's the same for organisms living in the > pond as it is for corporations living in the towns. They all need energy > and compete for that energy with other similar organisms. The only real > difference, is that our corporations follow laws designed to limit the > carnage that fierce competition always creates. > > YEAH, AND A LOT, IF NOT ALL OF THOSE F'ING CORPORATIONS BREAK THE LAWS TOO. Most real corporations are careful about those things. Yes, there are incidents; but it is not that common. Small corporations used as tax shelters or liability shelters are a different matter. > DIRTY MONEY, AND MONEY LAUNDERING SCHEMES AND SCAMS THAT PROBABLY GO ON AND ON, DAY IN AND DAY OUT, IN THE IVORY EIFFEL WORLD TRADE TOWERS OF THIS STATE, AND OTHER MAJOR SHITTIES IN OTHER SHTATES AND STATES. Some people do set up corporations to do this. When that happens, the corporation does not work as a shield to the individual. They get arrested, jailed, etc. > THE FAT ASS BANKS NEED TO BE PUNCTURED ON FOUR SIDES, TO RELEASE THEIR DIRTY ROTTEN FILTHY STINKING RICH GOLD SILO GREED; IVORY EIFFEL WORLD TRADE TOWER GLOBALIST-ISM TOWERS. It is popular to blame the bankers; but it just does not follow in most cases. The banks have a responsibility to their depositors to loan money to those who will return the money plus interest. I mean, would YOU loan money to someone who is unlikely to repay? Would you bank at a bank that had a reputation for lending money to skid row bums? Banking is highly regulated, etc. etc. etc. Where you get into real trouble, is with the SBA (Small Business Administration), where the law favors minority enterprises, which have a very poor success rate; yet the SBA has this thing about responsibility WAY beyond what is reasonable. So at the first sign of failure, and just about Any start up has several times when it looks like all will crash, the loan may be yanked by the SBA, and the company liquidated for assets because they "know" it's going to fail! Duh! They just make it happen early; whereas a good bank can do some calculations, look things over, reassess risk, and maybe, maybe consider that it looks possible. I took some courses from the SBA. I spoke with people who had loans or were looking for loans with the SBA. Unreal! Also, SBA awficials are rated by how much money they handle and how many local jobs something creates. So they don't want small proposals for small businesses, they want large proposals for large businesses. (What's the name again??? Small Business Administration???) The role of private enterprise is to create wealth. The role of government is to ration scarcity. Do not ask the government to do anything profitable, or they will stuff it with incompetence and turn it into a loss. Then, they know how to manage the scarcity! > I'VE LOST MY MIND AGAIN. Tired, Huh? I know how that goes. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 23:40:25 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Aug 25 23:40:36 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. Message-ID: <20050826064025.38320.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> EDITED AND REVISED FROM PREVIOUS E-MAIL: MONEY FILLED OVERTAXED HIGH, IN THE IVORY EIFFEL WORLD TRADE TOWERS, AND NOT DISTRIBUTED EQUALLY AMONG ALL PEOPLE, FOR ECONOMIC STIMULATION FOR ALL PEOPLE. (NOT TO ALSO MENTION THE ORAL AND RICHARD ROBERTS CANCER ESTABLISHMENT CENTERS OF AMERICA IVORY EIFFEL TOWER, IN JENKS TULSA, AS WELL.). (AND THE JOHN PIERPONT MORGAN CHASE MANHATTAN BANK FASCIST COMMUNIST TOWER, IN O.K.C.) THE WILLIAMS-SANK OF OKLAHOMA, LONE WORLD TRADE TOWER OF THIS (INDUSTRIAL) SLUM OF TULSA OKLAHOMA, NEEDS GIGANTIC HOLES BORED INTO ITS SIDES, TO DEFLATE SCROODGE MCFUCK'S (SCROODGE MCDUCK'S) GOLD GREED SWIMMING POOL INSIDE OF IT. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050825/d2eb2d61/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 26 01:11:33 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 26 01:11:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. In-Reply-To: <20050826064025.38320.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 25, 2005 11:40:25 PM Message-ID: <20050826081133.95070.qmail@mall-net.com> > MONEY FILLED OVERTAXED HIGH, IN THE IVORY EIFFEL WORLD TRADE TOWERS, AND NOT DISTRIBUTED EQUALLY AMONG ALL PEOPLE, FOR ECONOMIC STIMULATION FOR ALL PEOPLE. Well, I hear in some countries, the tax rate is 50%. Others, even higher; so our 33% max income tax rate isn't that bad. > (NOT TO ALSO MENTION THE ORAL AND RICHARD ROBERTS CANCER ESTABLISHMENT CENTERS OF AMERICA IVORY EIFFEL TOWER, IN JENKS TULSA, AS WELL.). > (AND THE JOHN PIERPONT MORGAN CHASE MANHATTAN BANK FASCIST COMMUNIST TOWER, IN O.K.C.) Um, fascism and communism aren't exactly compatible. There are similarities in that both are government over people type deals; but fascism relied on an economic base with private owned business, whereas communism tried to do away with any economics in favor of communal ownership of everything, and everything and everyone responsible to the central planning committee. Neither worked very well, because people only work hard when there is something in it for them. People are inherently greedy. And that's not such a bad thing as long as it does not go to excess. Avoiding money, Communism required central planning figure everything out. That required just too much information to be able to make rational decisions. Central planning would have to be able to figure out how many 9mm screws to make vs 5mm screws, knowing how many of what kind of everything that uses them will be made, how many machines will break down, etc. It's just mind boggling how much information central planning would have to process! And of course, no anticipation of inventions, ideas, or anything else that requires a spare supply of 9mm screws and 5mm screws. As for the community ownership... totally bogus! The State owned everything. Since there was no entrepreneurialism allowed and people got the same amount of stuff whether they worked or not, people didn't work very hard, and really didn't care very much about things. When my ex wife came to the USA from the USSR, she got mad that there were not places to just screw off during the work day. She was amazed that everyone worked hard at worked so hard, and said it was no wonder we had such abundance. Fascism, on the other hand, having a single Great Leader, is more imperial than a committee; but by allowing businesses to be owned and run by people, it allows the flow of money to adjust production to meet needs. Thus, an all knowing central planning run by a bunch of supposedly wise people is not required. > THE WILLIAMS-SANK OF OKLAHOMA, LONE WORLD TRADE TOWER OF THIS (INDUSTRIAL) SLUM OF TULSA OKLAHOMA, NEEDS GIGANTIC HOLES BORED INTO ITS SIDES, TO DEFLATE SCROODGE MCFUCK'S (SCROODGE MCDUCK'S) GOLD GREED SWIMMING POOL INSIDE OF IT. Without greed, you can't get people to do anything. Greed, desire, motivates people to try to do things to make money so they can buy things someone else made. The other thing communism tried to do, was to stamp out greed. Ah... didn't work. We humans have a territorial imperative. We know what's ours, and we keep our stuff. Take that away from us, and we just don't feel like doing anything. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 07:03:53 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 26 07:04:02 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. In-Reply-To: <20050826081133.95070.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050826140353.95576.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > MONEY FILLED OVERTAXED HIGH, IN THE IVORY EIFFEL WORLD TRADE TOWERS, AND NOT DISTRIBUTED EQUALLY AMONG ALL PEOPLE, FOR ECONOMIC STIMULATION FOR ALL PEOPLE. Well, I hear in some countries, the tax rate is 50%. Others, even higher; so our 33% max income tax rate isn't that bad. OVERTAXED TULSA. > (NOT TO ALSO MENTION THE ORAL AND RICHARD ROBERTS CANCER ESTABLISHMENT CENTERS OF AMERICA IVORY EIFFEL TOWER, IN JENKS TULSA, AS WELL.). CANCER ESTABLISHMENT CENTER GOLD METAL WORLD TRADE TOWER, IN JENKS; A SUBURB OF THIS INDUSTRIAL WASTELAND. > (AND THE JOHN PIERPONT MORGAN CHASE MANHATTAN BANK FASCIST COMMUNIST TOWER, IN O.K.C.) Um, fascism and communism aren't exactly compatible. I AGREE THAT THEY ARE NOT EXACTLY COMPATIBLE. BUT THEY ARE BOTH AT WAR THOUGH, IN THIS WASTELAND. There are similarities in that both are government over people type deals; but fascism relied on an economic base with private owned business, I NEED MY OWN SUCCESSFUL PRIVATE BUSINESS; LEGALLY. IT IS BEING DENIED ME, AND OTHERS, DUE AN INSUFFICIENT EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM. MAYOR BILL LAFORTUNE OF TULSA, SUCKS; HE HASN'T DONE A DAMNED BIT OF GOOD FOR THIS WORTHLESS ENDLESS GO NOWEHERE SHITTY. whereas communism tried to do away with any economics in favor of communal ownership of everything, and everything and everyone responsible to the central planning committee. Neither worked very well, because people only work hard when there is something in it for them. People are inherently greedy. And that's not such a bad thing as long as it does not go to excess. Avoiding money, Communism required central planning figure everything out. CENTRAL (-IZED) POWER PLANTS. CENTRAL (-IZED) BANKS. AND EDUCATION??? THE PUBLIC FASCIST SOCIALIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, IS FAILING. GASOLINE PRICES ARE TO GOD DAMNED EXPENSIVE UNDER THE BUSH CHENEY ADMINISTRATION. TAXES ARE OVERKILL HIGH; MINIMAL LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. TULSA, OKLAHOMA SUCKS. IS THERE LIFE SUPPORT IN COLORADO, UNLIKE THIS NEARLY DEAD STATE? That required just too much information to be able to make rational decisions. Central planning would have to be able to figure out how many 9mm screws to make vs 5mm screws, knowing how many of what kind of everything that uses them will be made, how many machines will break down, etc. It's just mind boggling how much information central planning would have to process! And of course, no anticipation of inventions, ideas, or anything else that requires a spare supply of 9mm screws and 5mm screws. As for the community ownership... totally bogus! The State owned everything. Since there was no entrepreneurialism allowed IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE ENTREPRENEURIALISM IS ALLOWED IN ABUNDANCE, IN THE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS SLUM WASTELAND, AROUND THIS OVERTAXED SLUMBURB, WHERE I CURRENTLY LIVE. THE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS SO-CALLED PARK, AROUND THIS SLUMBURB, IS NEARLY COMPLETELY BUSINESS VACANT, AND THE FASCIST SOCIALIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL SHITSTEM DOES NOT TEACH STUDENTS TO HAVE INDEPENDENT ENTREPRENEURIAL INDEPENDENCE AND SUCCESS. and people got the same amount of stuff whether they worked or not, people didn't work very hard, and really didn't care very much about things. When my ex wife came to the USA from the USSR, she got mad that there were not places to just screw off during the work day. She was amazed that everyone worked hard at worked so hard, and said it was no wonder we had such abundance. DO I NEED TO DE-HUMANIZE, OVERDOSE ON PAINKILLERS, AND BECOME A WORK ROBOT AUTOMATON, FOR ENDLESS PROGRESS. ZERO LOVE REMAINING FOR THIS DIRTY TOWN. Fascism, on the other hand, having a single Great Leader, is more imperial than a committee; but by allowing businesses to be owned and run by people, it allows the flow of money to adjust production to meet needs. Thus, an all knowing central planning run by a bunch of supposedly wise people is not required. > THE WILLIAMS-SANK OF OKLAHOMA, LONE WORLD TRADE TOWER OF THIS (INDUSTRIAL) SLUM OF TULSA OKLAHOMA, NEEDS GIGANTIC HOLES BORED INTO ITS SIDES, TO DEFLATE SCROODGE MCFUCK'S (SCROODGE MCDUCK'S) GOLD GREED SWIMMING POOL INSIDE OF IT. Without greed, you can't get people to do anything. WHAT IF THAT GREED GOED TOO GODDAMNED FAR, TO THE POINT OF TOTALITARIAN DICTATORSHIP CONTROL; AS IS IN THE CASE OF THE BANKING ESTABLISHMENT INTRAFUCKTURE, THE POWER GENERATION AND DISTRIBUTION CONTROL INTRAFUCKTURE, AND THE CANCER ESTABLISHMENT INTRAFUCKTURE, AMONG OTHER THINGS??? Greed, desire, motivates people to try to do things to make money so they can buy things someone else made. YEAH WELL, GREED IS NOT DOING ME A LOT OF GOOD. IT IS ONLY GIVING ME OVERWHELMING STRESS; NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE CONSTANT CEASELESS PROGRESS IN MY LIFE. The other thing communism tried to do, was to stamp out greed. I GUESS GREED CAN BE GOOD AND EVIL, EQUALLY. IT IS HIGHLY TOTALITARIAN EVIL, IN THIS WASTELAND SINKHOLE STINKHOLE SHITHOLE INDUSTRIAL SLUM CESSPOOL, OF TULSA OKLAHOMA. FOREVER GO NOWHERE............... FAST. PROGRESS AND SUCCESS NEVER LAST. FULL MOON WITH DARK BROWN AND BLACK CLOUDS ALWAYS OVERCAST. PODUNK INDUSTRIAL SLUM-SHITTY OF TULSA. Ah... didn't work. We humans have a territorial imperative. We know what's ours, and we keep our stuff. Take that away from us, and we just don't feel like doing anything. I AM LOSING BOTH MY MIND AND MY HEART,,,,,,, AGAIN. MY HEART HURTS. I NEED PERMANENT PEACE. MONEY SUPPLY IS SO LIMITED. PROGRESS IS SO LIMITED. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050826/d6ae6f48/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 07:16:26 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 26 07:16:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. In-Reply-To: <20050826081133.95070.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050826141626.26827.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > MONEY FILLED OVERTAXED HIGH, IN THE IVORY EIFFEL WORLD TRADE > TOWERS, AND NOT DISTRIBUTED EQUALLY AMONG ALL PEOPLE, FOR > ECONOMIC STIMULATION FOR ALL PEOPLE. Well, I hear in some countries, the tax rate is 50%. Others, even higher; so our 33% max income tax rate isn't that bad. > OVERTAXED TULSA. PICTURE OF THE IVORY EIFFEL LONE WORLD TRADE TOWER. THE CAPITAL BUILDING OF DOWNSLUM TULSA, AND THE TALLEST SKYSCRAPER IN OKLAHOMA; THE WILLIAMS BANK OF OKLAHOMA FASCIST COMMUNE WORLD TRADE TOWER: http://www.michael.leland.name/tul002.htm > (NOT TO ALSO MENTION THE ORAL AND RICHARD ROBERTS CANCER ESTABLISHMENT CENTERS OF AMERICA IVORY EIFFEL TOWER, IN JENKS TULSA, AS WELL.). > CANCER ESTABLISHMENT CENTER GOLD METAL WORLD TRADE TOWER, IN > JENKS; A SUBURB OF THIS INDUSTRIAL WASTELAND. THE CANCER ESTABLISHMENT CENTERS OF TULSA, AND OF AMERICA; THE COMMUNE-PLEX TOWERS, IN JENKS TULSA: http://www.cityplextowers.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050826/802cfd8c/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 07:24:33 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 26 07:24:39 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] AMERICAN IDIOT, SONG LYRICS In-Reply-To: <000d01c5a9aa$bcd1fce0$6601a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050826142433.1348.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Michael Best wrote: Just another asshole who cannot see the real problem. BULLSHIT! He needs to look in the mirror! The USA didn?t sink to this level without the tacit approval of the populace, those who prefer bread and circuses to individual effort. BULLSHIT! This will not change until unmarried inner-city welfare-baby-factory females zip their pants and go to work. As much as the African-American segment decries the illegal Mexican immigrant for taking jobs, maybe the Mexican president had it right- the illegal Mexicans take jobs that welfare mommas refuse, as collecting MY tax dollars for bastard children is far easier than honest work. And the Liberal Media supports this Socialist redistribution of wealth, this song included. -MB __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050826/3f0f8fc1/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 07:37:31 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 26 07:37:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. Message-ID: <20050826143731.92080.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> I WANT TO BE THERE: http://www.startrekdesktopwallpaper.com/wallpapers/19_Star_Trek_Enterprise_NCC1701D_starship_wallpaper_x.jpg AND NOT HERE: http://www.michael.leland.name/tul002.htm http://www.cityplextowers.com IN THIS FUCKING SLUMLAND. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050826/47369244/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 26 10:35:16 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 26 10:35:21 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. In-Reply-To: <20050826141626.26827.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 26, 2005 07:16:26 AM Message-ID: <20050826173516.57317.qmail@mall-net.com> Life is choices. We need to think about the alternatives before we choose, for only then are we free. > Well, I hear in some countries, the tax rate is 50%. Others, even > higher; so our 33% max income tax rate isn't that bad. > > > OVERTAXED TULSA. I think it because you are short of cash, and don't really look at what the tax money does for you. Little things, like police protection (we get burglars out here, I've been robbed of hundreds of dollars worth of gasoline, had things vandalized, etc.) good roads (it's all dirt, suspension destroying roads out here, shock absorbers don't last six months, even if I only drive twice a week), municipal water and waste services (I have to truck in all my water, truck out my trash, no hot showers, etc.), electrical service (I have to put up with solar, can't run power tools without running a generator, and generally paying five to ten times as much for my electricity), etc. Of course, that's nothing compared to the Siberian camps some of my relatives died in. > THE CAPITAL BUILDING OF DOWNSLUM TULSA, AND THE TALLEST SKYSCRAPER IN OKLAHOMA; THE WILLIAMS BANK OF OKLAHOMA FASCIST COMMUNE WORLD TRADE TOWER: A lot of people liked their services better than the services of some other banks. Banks which don't give decent service typically shrink, not grow. I remember a bank in Connecticut which screwed my account, and apparently several others with some of their policies. They didn't last six months in that city. We vote with our dollars every day of our lives. If we don't put up with crap, the crap makers will go out of business. It's the immutable law of supply and demand at work in an open economy. But we also vote with our time, voting for our employers. If you don't like your employer, find a better employer. there are always better jobs out there, you just have to find them. And then, hold on to them despite your personal quirks. > > (NOT TO ALSO MENTION THE ORAL AND RICHARD ROBERTS CANCER ESTABLISHMENT > CENTERS OF AMERICA IVORY EIFFEL TOWER, IN JENKS TULSA, AS WELL.). So? So they try to cure people there. Should they offer no hope? Not try? We are imperfect, and we all die sooner or later; but to live another year, hold your granddaughter another time, see another spring... that is hope and faith in the continuation of life beyond ourselves. Medicine is crap; but we do live almost three times longer than was the norm in ancient times; so it is better than nothing. > THE CANCER ESTABLISHMENT CENTERS OF TULSA, AND OF AMERICA; THE COMMUNE-PLEX TOWERS, IN JENKS TULSA: Some people prefer the suburbs; some people can't stand driving so long and chose the apartment complexes. We need to let people make their own choices, or we become the very totalitarians we hate. Yes, I disliked cities even before I had this problem with air pollution. It was nice to visit a city for a short period of time; but work and live there for the rest of my life? No way! I did some projects in Hartford Connecticut, Stamford Connecticut, around Dayton Ohio, the suburbs of New York, the outskirts of Washington DC, and many in the growing metroplex of San Francisco -- San Jose. And I forget where else; I've been around a lot of places. Suburbs and satellite cities are not too bad. Cities? I hate them; but have lived in several cities for a few months here and there. But I also dislike the little rural towns where you just can't find anything. When I was in those one-industry towns, I'd have to drive hours to go shopping near the cities to get anything sophisticated or special. It was a nightmare! Here, it takes me an hour to get to town just for groceries! Realize you forgot something? Oops! Is it worth the two to three hour shopping run to get it??? Life is choices. We need to think about the alternatives before we chose, for only then are we free. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 26 11:17:46 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 26 11:17:49 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. In-Reply-To: <20050826143731.92080.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 26, 2005 07:37:31 AM Message-ID: <20050826181746.82435.qmail@mall-net.com> > I WANT TO BE THERE: > > http://www.startrekdesktopwallpaper.com/wallpapers/19_Star_Trek_Enterprise_NCC1701D_starship_wallpaper_x.jpg I am not so sure that I would like to be there. Sure, I love the future! But... what's the challenge in life when you just hit the replicator or holodeck for what you want??? Really think about that. This is one of those mad scientist moments. Really think about what the challenge of life is, when all is yours. I am in some of the most beautiful mountain scenery you can imagine. Yet I sit inside this windowless box most of the day, sampling the creative works of others and keeping tabs on world events in a way that one couldn't even DREAM about in my youth! The library of the world, with all the news feeds thrown in! Life is an art. Have you seen art where the artist threw in too many colors? How does that contrast with art where the artist barely used any colors? Too much of anything isn't good. Remember the episode where Data revived some old bodies frozen in a capsule? The Industrialist was at a loss. He used money as a score to judge his effectiveness. Most industrialists do, looking at how much their company makes, and now little they have to pay to make something. Many of the industrialists actually want to sell their products as cheaply as they can, to get more market share. They know they have to please people with their products to sell more. Piccard's response was that the challenge was to see whom you could be. Most people never bother. I can imagine th e replicator slums of 2100, gaudy to the extreme, people hating each other because they never learned to cooperate, living our their fantasies without rhyme or reason. Much like the Greek Gods with magnificent abilities, and emotional maturity of five year olds! Will it be that way? In the replicator slums, likely so. Then there will be the upscale neighborhoods, elegance, minimalism, esthetics. Why? What is the difference between the two when money does not matter? Culture! The sense that culture is more important than the individual; the senses that service to the society is the highest achievement, no matter whether it be inventions of us mad scientists, the explorations of Piccard and crew, or the creation of art and architecture. (Obviously, I vote for us mad scientists. WE, not the artists, nor politicians, have advanced the state of humanity since time immemorial.) It will become the currency of favors that runs such a moneyless future; a kind of personal barter. There was a society like that just recently. You exchanged favors with others. Some, not wanting to be obligated, avoided accepting favors at all costs. Others gave favors freely, hoping to rise. It became a cult of personality, your position being more whom you knew than what you could create, and which "tribe" you belonged to. It became a very brutal, highly personalized society called Soviet Socialist Hell. The American equivalents appear to be inner city gangs, where daring and ego rule; but favors are the currency. Some of the on-line communities warped this way also. Money is a good way of keeping score. Not the best! But of all the systems we've tried before, the least worst. So what we really need to do, is look for opportunities to make money by helping other people with their needs and desires. (Legal ones that forward the development of society. I refuse to work for gambling establishments, alcohol and porn purveyors, tobacco companies, racists, etc. I've always turned them down, even when I was very hungry and they offered me a lot of money. I know who I am. I know what I stand for.) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 26 11:27:51 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 26 11:27:54 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Future / Startrek / Money In-Reply-To: <20050826181746.82435.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Aug 26, 2005 06:17:46 PM Message-ID: <20050826182751.87506.qmail@mall-net.com> I foregot to add to the last MONEY piece, asking YOU wnat YOU think of the Startrek portrayal of a resource rich money-free future, and what YOU think that the future will bring. Let's hear some OTHER ideas! -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From Vesta111 at aol.com Fri Aug 26 11:49:50 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 26 11:49:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Clyde \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ MONEY. Message-ID: Hi Clyde, I have been following your money woes. I can think of no human on earth who doesn't want more money. One thing I have learned in life as far as money goes, is, be damn glad for what ever amount you have. One never knows when you will not have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out. Time to time I think about the amount of money I would have if I cut out all but the essentials of life to survive. Cancel cable, do with out cell phone, sell my jeep and make do with one car. I need a phone line and my pc, but I can save a fortune if I do without AOL. Just doing with out the above would save me $ 5 ,000 or more a year.Then there is the small stuff,$ 550 bucks a year on coffee and a small snack , at $2.00 a day at work. Dinner out once a week, $45.00 a week includes tip, $2,340 a year. If I get rid of my 2 dogs, 2 cats, fish and bird, the food and vet bills will save me $ 3,500 a year. Check this out Clyde, $11,390 spent for a car, snaks at work dinner out and owning pets. How to save money, I quit smoking 2 pack a day, saving me close to$ 2, 555 a year at the least . I have cut my food bills by eating an Asian diet, workdays its beans, rice, some vegetables and fruit, cost for one person to eat 5 days a week--, 6 small meals a day, comes to around$ 20.00, that's 35 meals. On weekends I do go boinkers and spend perhaps 10 bucks on a roast or chicken. As for drinks, good old ice water and 2 tea bags for a hot beverage is what, 25 cents a day for beverages? Clyde, save your change. I empty my pockets of whatever change I may have from buying gas for car or food each night and find I have enough for a 12 pack twice a month--- Clyde, are you married, or, do you pay child support ? Someone said that to have money is to get married and stay married. Child support is an investment in your future, it can be a big problem in the present but it pays off in the future. I can fake it Clyde, so can you. Top name designer clothing is sold at Good Will, Wallmart sells gold and silver chains that look like the REAL thing. Dress for success Clyde. The only thing you cant fake are shoes, these you must sell your butt for, however the rewards are great. Couple of years ago I was at Atlantic City, I got into a conversation with one of the Door men at a Casino. I asked how they knew who to comp. and they told me it is all about shoes. People came in dressed in expensive cloths and cheap shoes----no comp. When you have tons of money, spending time on your feet calls for $1,500 shoes, woman can spend $800.00 on a pair of sandles. So, people came into the casino dressed in Rags, looking like street people, but if they wear shoes or boots that cost over $1800 or so, they get the vip treatment. Free rooms and meals and top shows. Clyde, you can wear a pair of jeans, white shirt, Good Will jacket and a pair of$300.00 boots and give the impression that you have money. People like that, they will listen to you. Clyde, see how you can cut down, you can with some creativity find ways to get to the money you need. Money will not come to you, you have to track it down. I know someday I may loose all my beloved toys, my life as I have it now. But, I am ready, life has been good so far to me. Funny thing is I have as good a life as anyone making a million bucks a year, I can be content and happy with what I have, not with what I want. If it all goes up the river and I have nothing, I will have the comfort of knowing , I had a good life. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050826/77757bf8/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 26 12:47:31 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 26 12:47:36 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Clyde \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ MONEY. In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Aug 26, 2005 02:49:50 PM Message-ID: <20050826194731.32274.qmail@mall-net.com> > One thing I have learned in life as far as money goes, is, be damn glad for > what ever amount you have. One never knows when you will not have a pot to > piss in or a window to throw it out. Lesson of my parents. Grandpa was a wealthy, prestigious mover and shaker in the old country. Then the Ruski tanks came over the boarder, all bank accounts over some minimum were confiscated, etc. When they fled, they left gold on the kitchen table so they could carry more food. > Time to time I think about the amount of money I would have if I cut out all > but the essentials of life to survive. Cancel cable, do with out > cell phone, sell my jeep and make do with one car. I need a phone line > and my pc, but I can save a fortune if I do without AOL. But if you cut too far, and it is so easy to cut, you start cutting away the connections which bring you opportunities. Cut Time Magazine, don't cut The Wall Street Journal. Cut Cable, don't cut the cell phone. And above all else, if you are not watching TV, get out to see the museums. You need culture. And if you make the right comments to the right people there... you make connections. Connections are what bring you wealth. DO NOT cut connections! Yet how many cut those first! That's when they start the downward spiral. > Dinner out once a week, $45.00 a week includes tip, $2,340 a year. > If I get rid of my 2 dogs, 2 cats, fish and bird, the food and vet bills > will save me $ 3,500 a year. Check this out Clyde, $11,390 spent for a And will that make you happy, or make you despite life? How much do your dogs bring to you in terms of comfort and serenity? > year at the least . I have cut my food bills by eating an Asian diet, > workdays its beans, rice, some vegetables and fruit, cost for one person to Some of that isn't too bad; but you need to eat reasonably well, get good balance of foods, or you start to tarnish and fail. > I can fake it Clyde, so can you. Top name designer clothing is sold at > Good Will, Wallmart sells gold and silver chains that look like the REAL Designer clothing is for people who don't have any idea what they are doing. Read the latest edition of "Dress for Success" by John T. Molloy. He doubled my hourly income, extended just about every consulting contract I got involved in, etc. And the thing is, good conservative clothing LASTS. It does not go out of style like designer clothing, which conservative people consider a sign of lesser taste and lesser ability. > Couple of years ago I was at Atlantic City, I got into a conversation with > one of the Door men at a Casino. I asked how they knew who to comp. and they > told me it is all about shoes. People came in dressed in expensive cloths > and cheap shoes----no comp. When you have tons of money, spending time on your > feet calls for $1,500 shoes, woman can spend $800.00 on a pair of sandles. That's (*choke*) a little too much! But yes, most people wear crap on their feet. I always wore good black wingtips. You know, the kind with the added layer with fancy holes. Helps to keep them polished; I cant, shoe polish is another chemical problem for me. But a large part of that is also attitude. People who are relaxed and respect people get respect in return. Even if it is just a smile and a nod at the doorman to show you appreciate him. > Clyde, you can wear a pair of jeans, white shirt, Good Will jacket and a > pair of$300.00 boots and give the impression that you have money. People like > that, they will listen to you. People respect the white shirt and rep tie, especially the cops. > Clyde, see how you can cut down, you can with some creativity find > ways to get to the money you need. Money will not come to you, you have to > track it down. That's the point, YOU have to go looking for ways of making more money. Often, that starts with making yourself more reliable. Big problem up here for me, where I have to depend upon unreliable Igors who drink. > I know someday I may loose all my beloved toys, my life as I have it now. > But, I am ready, life has been good so far to me. Funny thing is I have as good > a life as anyone making a million bucks a year, I can be content and happy > with what I have, not with what I want. If it all goes up the river and I have > nothing, I will have the comfort of knowing , I had a good life. YES!!! How do you think I can live here in the mountains with so little? I know who I am. I have always lived a good, clean life, treated others decently. And with that, as people get to know me, they treat me decently. It is how my parents and grandparents could walk away from a life of fortune they had build, come to a new country, and start over. They knew who they were! They knew they were decent respectable people, and that when they respect others, they get respect in turn. And so, they rebuilt their lives. If you are ever really downtrodden and believe life is over, go find your local AA chapter. Tell them you just want to listen. If they ask, say you have personal problems, and heard that the best place for inspiring stories of comebacks is AA. Because it is! (I don't drink, never have. I was helping an AA member with some computer stuff, and by chance, ended up at two AA meetings. I was new in California, had burned all my money and a large part of my father's retirement surviving a health crisis, and wasn't very confident I could start over. Just listening to those stories made me laugh a little at my doubts. If they could rebuild their shattered lives and reputations, I could certainly polish my life back up! And did! Well worth attending once or twice in your life! Not worth joining unless you are the type.) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 14:33:46 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 26 14:33:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. In-Reply-To: <20050826181746.82435.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050826213346.79474.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > I WANT TO BE THERE: > > http://www.startrekdesktopwallpaper.com/wallpapers/19_Star_Trek_Enterprise_NCC1701D_starship_wallpaper_x.jpg I am not so sure that I would like to be there. I WOULD. Sure, I love the future! But... what's the challenge in life when you just hit the replicator or holodeck for what you want??? IT IS MY WILL TO GO INTO SPACE, TO BE AT PEACE THERE, AND TO DIE THERE, UNLESS I MANAGE TO SOMEHOW FIND A WAYS AND MEANS OF PERPETUAL MOTION, REJUVENATION TECHNOLOGIES, AND ETERNAL LIFE, TO KEEP ME GOING AND EXPLORING, AND ADVENTUROUS, AND DIE A PERFECTLY PEACEFUL AND FEELINGLESS DEATH. Really think about that. This is one of those mad scientist moments. Really think about what the challenge of life is, when all is yours. I am in some of the most beautiful mountain scenery you can imagine. Yet I sit inside this windowless box most of the day, sampling the creative works of others and keeping tabs on world events in a way that one couldn't even DREAM about in my youth! The library of the world, with all the news feeds thrown in! Life is an art. Have you seen art where the artist threw in too many colors? How does that contrast with art where the artist barely used any colors? Too much of anything isn't good. Remember the episode where Data revived some old bodies frozen in a capsule? YEAH; THAT WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE EPISODES! THE SPACE(JUNK) CRYOGENIC FREEZER SPACE CAPSULE; LOST IN SPACE. The Industrialist was at a loss. THE ONLY ONE OF THE SURVIVORS THAT I REMEMBER, SINCE IT HAS BEEN SUCH A LONG TIME SINCE I SAW THAT EPISODE, IS THAT HICK OLD MAN, WHO WAS DEMANDING OF WANTING TO GO HOME. He used money as a score to judge his effectiveness. Most industrialists do, looking at how much their company makes, and now little they have to pay to make something. Many of the industrialists actually want to sell their products as cheaply as they can, to get more market share. They know they have to please people with their products to sell more. YEAH WELL I DON'T WANT MY TALKING CLOCKS MANUFACTURED IN A TURD WORLD COUNTRY, IF I CAN SOMEHOW MAKE THE PROJECT INTO A SUCCESS; I WANT THE CLOCKS MANUFACTURED HERE IN THE U.S., IN GERMANY, OR IN JAPAN ONLY. NO TURD WORLD COUNTRIES ALLOWED, NOT ONE! NO, TO: MEXICO, CHINESE, TAIWAN AND MALAYSIA! Piccard's response was that the challenge was to see whom you could be. Most people never bother. I can imagine the replicator slums of 2100, gaudy to the extreme, people hating each other because they never learned to cooperate, living our their fantasies without rhyme or reason. Much like the Greek Gods with magnificent abilities, and emotional maturity of five year olds! Will it be that way? In the replicator slums, likely so. Then there will be the upscale neighborhoods, elegance, minimalism, esthetics. IN THE COUNTRY IN THE FAR FUTURE; A HIGH TECH FUTURE COWBOY; NOW THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL LIFESTYLE FOR ME. I DON'T LIKE NEIGHBORHOODS ANYMORE. I'D HAVE TO BE A HIGH TECH COWBOY. I AM TOO DEPENDENT UPON TECHNOLOGY, AND I LOVE TECHNOLOGY. Why? What is the difference between the two when money does not matter? Culture! The sense that culture is more important than the individual; the senses that service to the society is the highest achievement, no matter whether it be inventions of us mad scientists, the explorations of Piccard and crew, or the creation of art and architecture. WELL I CAN PICTURE MY OWN MICRO SPACESHIP, RIGHT THERE, NEXT TO THE ENTERPRISE D, ENJOYING THAT AWESOME VIEW OF LOOKING DOWN UPON THE EARTH, FROM SPACE. (Obviously, I vote for us mad scientists. WE, not the artists, nor politicians, have advanced the state of humanity since time immemorial.) YEAH; HOW IN THE HELL CAN I GET MY FUTURISTIC TALKING CLOCK, TO BE A QUALITY MASS PRODUCTION SUCCESS? THE PROJECT GOING NOWHERE, HAS DRIVEN ME OUT OF MY MIND. THAT IS WHAT I GET FOR LIVING ON TULSA TIME THOUGH; ENDLESS CHAOS AND CONFUSION. THAT IS WHAT TULSA TIME IS: NEVERENDING NONSENSE OF CHAOS AND CONFUSION. It will become the currency of favors that runs such a moneyless future; a kind of personal barter. I SEE A BARTER FUTURE AHEAD, UNDER THE RESISTANCE TO THE UNITED DIVIDED NATIONS NEW AGE-NEW WORLD DISORDER AND ORDER HELL ON EARTH. FORCED BARTER EXCHANGE, DUE TO THE ANARCHY THAT WILL ENSUE UPON ALL OF US, BECAUSE OF THE RESISTANCE TO TOTALITARIAN SOCIAL ENSLAVEMENT. There was a society like that just recently. You exchanged favors with others. Some, not wanting to be obligated, avoided accepting favors at all costs. Others gave favors freely, hoping to rise. It became a cult of personality, your position being more whom you knew than what you could create, and which "tribe" you belonged to. It became a very brutal, highly personalized society called Soviet Socialist Hell. The American equivalents appear to be inner city gangs, where daring and ego rule; but favors are the currency. COMMUNE -(ISM) SLUMS: TRAILOR TRASH 'PARKS', AND APARTMENT KOMPLEXES. FASCIST COMMUNES. Some of the on-line communities warped this way also. Money is a good way of keeping score. Not the best! But of all the systems we've tried before, the least worst. MONEY IS ALSO A WAYS AND MEANS OF POPULATION CONTROL, AND POPULATION ENSLAVEMENT. So what we really need to do, is look for opportunities to make money by helping other people with their needs and desires. (Legal ones that forward the development of society. THAT IS MY WILL; UNFORTUNATELY THE DECK IS STACKED AGAINST ME. E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE REGULATED BY THE FASCIST NAZI FUCKED UP FOOD AND DRUG ADDICTION ASSOCIATION ADMINISTRATION, AND THE INFERNAL REVENUE ANTI-SERVICE PREVENTS INDEPENDENT ENTREPENEURSHIP, BY BOTH ANTI EDUCATION, AND BY AN IRON FIST; ALSO AS YOU MENTIONED; SO DOES THE (S.B.B.A.) SMALL BANKRUPTION BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. I COULD GROW AND SELL LOTUS FLOWERS, FOR FOOD FOR OTHERS, BUT WOULD ALSO RUN INTO THE FASCIST SOCIALIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST F.U.F.A.D.A.A.A. (THE SO-CALLED F.D.A.) ON THAT ISSUE AS WELL. AND SO I AM DAMNED. I refuse to work for gambling establishments, I ALSO HATE GAMBLING. I'VE NEVER LIKED GAMBLING AT ALL. alcohol and porn purveyors, tobacco companies, racists, etc. I've always turned them down, even when I was very hungry and they offered me a lot of money. I know who I am. I know what I stand for.) I REJECT THE REST AS WELL; ALTHOUGH, OCCASIONAL ALCOHOL IN MODERATE AMOUNTS FOR ME, IS ALRIGHT. I JUST WANT TO BE INDEPENDENT, SUCCESSFUL, AT PEACE WITH MYSELF AT PEACE WITH LIFE, AND TO BE FREE. THAT IS WHAT I THINK BEING AN AMERICAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE, AND TO FEEL LIKE. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050826/fae52b02/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 14:46:17 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 26 14:46:22 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Future / Startrek / Money In-Reply-To: <20050826182751.87506.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050826214618.34305.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: I forgot to add to the last MONEY piece, asking YOU what YOU think of the Startrek portrayal of a resource rich money-free future, and what YOU think that the future will bring. IF A CASHLESS SOCIETY IS AS GOOD AS PORTRAYED IN THE NEXT GENERATION TYPE OF FUTURE, IT WOULDN'T SEEM BAD, BUT A CASHLESS SOCIETY UNDER THE NEW AGE NEW WORLD DISORDER AND ORDER, WOULD HAVE CATCHES TO IT, AND WOULD BE DESIGNED FOR ENSLAVEMENT OF ALL PEOPLE, DUE TO THE LUCIS LUCIFER'S (ANTI) TRUST, PROMOTION OF THE ANTI-CHRIST, NEW AGE HOMOSEXUALISM-GAY AND LESBIAN PEDOPHILIA, AS FUTURE POPULATION CONTROL DRUGS. ANTI BIBLICAL SEXUALISM AS A MASS SCALE GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT DRUG, UNDER AN ORWELLIAN SCHEME; FREEMASONRY; ORDER OF DE MOLAY AND DISNEY COOPERATIVE; LUCIFER'S (LUCIS) SO-CALLED TRUST, SKULL AND BONES DEATH SOCIETY, CATHOLICISM AND ROSICRUCIANISM, THE UNDERGROUND KU KLUX KLAN AS IT STILL OPERATES TODAY, WITH FREEMASONRY AND DE MOLAY, AND THE MAFIA, THE CIA, AND THE KGB, ETC.... Let's hear some OTHER ideas! ARE THESE 'IDEAS' CONTROVERSIAL ENOUGH??? -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050826/315acf95/attachment-0001.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 26 15:30:34 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 26 15:30:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. In-Reply-To: <20050826213346.79474.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 26, 2005 02:33:46 PM Message-ID: <20050826223034.29667.qmail@mall-net.com> > I am not so sure that I would like to be there. > > I WOULD. > > Sure, I love the future! But... what's the challenge in life when > you just hit the replicator or holodeck for what you want??? > > > IT IS MY WILL TO GO INTO SPACE, TO BE AT PEACE THERE, AND TO DIE THERE, UNLESS I MANAGE TO SOMEHOW FIND A WAYS AND MEANS OF PERPETUAL MOTION, REJUVENATION TECHNOLOGIES, AND ETERNAL LIFE, TO KEEP ME GOING AND EXPLORING, AND ADVENTUROUS, AND DIE A PERFECTLY PEACEFUL AND FEELINGLESS DEATH. You miss the point of what I write. > Life is an art. Have you seen art where the artist threw in too > many colors? How does that contrast with art where the artist barely > used any colors? > > Too much of anything isn't good. > > Remember the episode where Data revived some old bodies frozen in a > capsule? > > YEAH; THAT WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE EPISODES! > THE SPACE(JUNK) CRYOGENIC FREEZER SPACE CAPSULE; LOST IN SPACE. > The Industrialist was at a loss. > THE ONLY ONE OF THE SURVIVORS THAT I REMEMBER, SINCE IT HAS BEEN SUCH A LONG TIME SINCE I SAW THAT EPISODE, IS THAT HICK OLD MAN, WHO WAS DEMANDING OF WANTING TO GO HOME. Well, he was the smartest, and most flexible of the group. You had a hick country singer, a mother-housewife, and the industrialist. Of those, only the industrialist wasn't lost for long. Yes, he was lost in the beginning. The others just blindly accepted that they were lost in time. He sought to find out what was going on, and regain what he could of his role in the corporate world. And I might add, he is the one who broke the Feringi stalemate when he told the captain the Feringi didn't know what was going on either. That guy already was what Piccard spoke of, being whom you could be. Compared to him, the others were just drifting. Worse, were use to drifting all their lives. > Many of the industrialists actually want to sell their products as > cheaply as they can, to get more market share. They know they have to > please people with their products to sell more. > > YEAH WELL I DON'T WANT MY TALKING CLOCKS MANUFACTURED IN A TURD WORLD COUNTRY, IF I CAN SOMEHOW MAKE THE PROJECT INTO A SUCCESS; I WANT THE CLOCKS MANUFACTURED HERE IN THE U.S., IN GERMANY, OR IN JAPAN ONLY. There, you are trying to manufacture something for yourself, not for the market. You are trying to build a company for yourself, not for your consumers. If you do not deliver what the consumer wants, he won't buy it. That's the bottom line. > Piccard's response was that the challenge was to see whom you could > be. > > Most people never bother. I can imagine the replicator slums of > 2100, gaudy to the extreme, people hating each other because they never > learned to cooperate, living our their fantasies without rhyme or > reason. Much like the Greek Gods with magnificent abilities, and > emotional maturity of five year olds! > > Will it be that way? In the replicator slums, likely so. > > Then there will be the upscale neighborhoods, elegance, minimalism, > esthetics. > > IN THE COUNTRY IN THE FAR FUTURE; A HIGH TECH FUTURE COWBOY; NOW THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL LIFESTYLE FOR ME. Yes, I envisioned myself mobile with an Airstream Trailer. But that is not the way life works. Life works via connections. It's whom you know and who trusts you that is important. How many people do you meet out in the hicks? How many would ask you to do anything important? It comes back to how you build your status within any group of people. Here in America, a lot of it, not all, but a lot of it is based on what you do and how much you are given for what you do. To get opportunities, you have to volunteer to help others. The astute seek to volunteer where they will get more opportunities than where they would get less. Volunteering is a way of networking. But... to do that effectively, you need to look for who else is volunteering, where they work, etc. And then, you have to show yourself as responsible and willing to go beyond the call of duty when the need arises. You have to make your abilities noticed, while being friendly enough that others want you on their team. > Culture! The sense that culture is more important than the > individual; the senses that service to the society is the highest > achievement, no matter whether it be inventions of us mad scientists, > the explorations of Piccard and crew, or the creation of art and > architecture. > WELL I CAN PICTURE MY OWN MICRO SPACESHIP, RIGHT THERE, NEXT TO THE ENTERPRISE D, ENJOYING THAT AWESOME VIEW OF LOOKING DOWN UPON THE EARTH, FROM SPACE. But can you see the path to get there? What can you do, today, to move yourself along that path? > (Obviously, I vote for us mad scientists. WE, not the artists, nor > politicians, have advanced the state of humanity since time immemorial.) > YEAH; HOW IN THE HELL CAN I GET MY FUTURISTIC TALKING CLOCK, TO BE A QUALITY MASS PRODUCTION SUCCESS? The problem, Clyde, is that your project is not futuristic. Talking clocks exist. $27 from Seiko, under $5 from China, and many other prices. Why should someone buy your clock at $100, when they can have a beautiful talking clock from Seiko for under $30? Or the one in http://www.mitechtrading.com/talking-lcd-desk-clock-with-alarm-p-26742.html for just over $5 plus shipping and handling? What makes your clock better? Selling it at a higher price does not make it better. Made in America does not make it better. Lasting forever does not make it better. Finding where there are niches for specific functions, uses, and features in the market might help you create something that would be more accepted by the marketplace. You need to really look at what people want. Realy look. > THE PROJECT GOING NOWHERE, HAS DRIVEN ME OUT OF MY MIND. So look for another project. Tons of things waiting! > I SEE A BARTER FUTURE AHEAD, UNDER THE RESISTANCE TO THE UNITED DIVIDED NATIONS NEW AGE-NEW WORLD DISORDER AND ORDER HELL ON EARTH. > > FORCED BARTER EXCHANGE, DUE TO THE ANARCHY THAT WILL ENSUE UPON ALL OF US, BECAUSE OF THE RESISTANCE TO TOTALITARIAN SOCIAL ENSLAVEMENT. I see more of the same as we have now, changing slowly. Money isn't going to go away. > COMMUNE -(ISM) SLUMS: TRAILOR TRASH 'PARKS', AND APARTMENT KOMPLEXES. > FASCIST COMMUNES. Don't knock apartment complexes. They are often nice places to live if you have the income. Of course, you have to chose a good one. > Money is a good way of keeping score. Not the best! But of all the > systems we've tried before, the least worst. > > > MONEY IS ALSO A WAYS AND MEANS OF POPULATION CONTROL, AND POPULATION ENSLAVEMENT. Population self control, you mean. What's the alternative? Really, what's the alternative? Some of the earliest forms of what we may call money, were arrow heads and beads. That's in the neolithic age, way before we had anything that might be mistaken for civilization. > So what we really need to do, is look for opportunities to make > money by helping other people with their needs and desires. (Legal ones > that forward the development of society. > > THAT IS MY WILL; UNFORTUNATELY THE DECK IS STACKED AGAINST ME. And you think the deck is stacked less against me? I am not so sure. Yes, it was hard learning to deal with many people; but I learned that skill. And with that, money flowed. > E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE REGULATED BY THE FASCIST NAZI FUCKED UP FOOD AND DRUG ADDICTION ASSOCIATION ADMINISTRATION, AND THE INFERNAL REVENUE ANTI-SERVICE PREVENTS INDEPENDENT ENTREPENEURSHIP, BY BOTH ANTI EDUCATION, AND BY AN IRON FIST; ALSO AS YOU MENTIONED; SO DOES THE (S.B.B.A.) SMALL BANKRUPTION BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. What you make with your hand is hard to regulate. > I COULD GROW AND SELL LOTUS FLOWERS, FOR FOOD FOR OTHERS, BUT WOULD ALSO RUN INTO THE FASCIST SOCIALIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST F.U.F.A.D.A.A.A. (THE SO-CALLED F.D.A.) ON THAT ISSUE AS WELL. If it is psychoactive, then yes, the FDA would eventually do something to prevent others from getting sucked into it, ruining their minds, etc. \> AND SO I AM DAMNED. Not yet. > I refuse to work for gambling > establishments, > > I ALSO HATE GAMBLING. > > I'VE NEVER LIKED GAMBLING AT ALL. > > alcohol and porn purveyors, tobacco companies, racists, > etc. I've always turned them down, even when I was very hungry and > they offered me a lot of money. I know who I am. I know what I stand > for.) > > I REJECT THE REST AS WELL; ALTHOUGH, OCCASIONAL ALCOHOL IN MODERATE AMOUNTS FOR ME, IS ALRIGHT. In moderation, some do well with it. I can't stand it at all, even the fumes bother me, as my detox pathways are broken. > I JUST WANT TO BE INDEPENDENT, SUCCESSFUL, AT PEACE WITH MYSELF AT PEACE WITH LIFE, AND TO BE FREE. That, my friend, takes a lot of hard work. Are you willing to work it, or do you want to justify your not succeeding? > THAT IS WHAT I THINK BEING AN AMERICAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE, AND TO FEEL LIKE. America is more like America than it ever was. But are you ready to be, to accept the responsibility, of being a fully American entrepreneur? It entails a lot of careful analysis and calculated risk taking. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 17:03:43 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 26 17:03:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Future / Startrek / Money In-Reply-To: <20050826214618.34305.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050827000343.63477.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> clyde lofton wrote: javilk@mall-net.com wrote: I forgot to add to the last MONEY piece, asking YOU what YOU think of the Startrek portrayal of a resource rich money-free future, and what YOU think that the future will bring. IF A CASHLESS SOCIETY IS AS GOOD AS IS PORTRAYED IN THE NEXT GENERATION TYPE OF FUTURE, IT WOULDN'T SEEM BAD, BUT A CASHLESS SOCIETY UNDER THE NEW AGE NEW WORLD DISORDER AND ORDER, WOULD HAVE CATCHES TO IT, AND WOULD BE DESIGNED FOR ENSLAVEMENT OF ALL PEOPLE, DUE TO THE LUCIS LUCIFER'S (ANTI) TRUST, PROMOTION OF THE ANTI-CHRIST, NEW AGE HOMOSEXUALISM-GAY AND LESBIAN PEDOPHILIA, AS FUTURE POPULATION CONTROL DRUGS. ANTI BIBLICAL SEXUALISM AS A MASS SCALE GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT DRUG, UNDER AN ORWELLIAN SCHEME; FREEMASONRY; ORDER OF DE MOLAY AND DISNEY COOPERATIVE; LUCIFER'S (LUCIS) SO-CALLED TRUST, SKULL AND BONES DEATH SOCIETY, CATHOLICISM AND ROSICRUCIANISM, THE UNDERGROUND KU KLUX KLAN AS IT STILL OPERATES TODAY, WITH FREEMASONRY AND DE MOLAY, AND THE MAFIA, THE CIA, AND THE KGB, ETC.... *AND I LEFT OUT: THE MUSLIM AKDAR SHRINERS AND CORRUPT GOVERNMENT POSSIBLE COOPERATIVE, THROUGH FREEMASONRY; THROUGH THE RITUAL ABUSE OF KIDS IN THE ORDER OF DE MOLAY, THROUGH THE KU KLUX KLAN, THROUGH THE NEW AGED WALT DISNEY CORPORATION, THROUGH THE SKULL AND BONES SOCIETY, THROUGH CATHOLICISM, THROUGH ROSICRUCIANISM, THROUGH COMMUNISM, THROUGH FASCISM, THROUGH GLOBALISM, ETC.... MAYBE THE ODDFELLOWS HAVE SOME INVOLVEMENT TOO, BUT I THINK THEY ARE PROBABLY JUST CASTRATED OLD MEN, DOING 'GOOD' COMMUNITY SERVICE, BUT I MAY BE WRONG; THEY MAY HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF INVOLVEMENT IN THE GRAND OCCULTISM SHADOW GOVERNMENT UNDERGROUND SCHEME OF THINGS, TOO. I DON'T KNOW. I DO KNOW NOW, THAT THE SKULL AND BONES SOCIETY OF DEATH, MUSLIM EXTREMISM, AND THE TERRORISM OF SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2001, ARE ALL ODDLY LINKED, BUT I CANNOT PRESENT A CONSPIRACY THEORY ON EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON, AND ON EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON, IN THE OCCULT SHADOW GOVERNMENT UNDERGROUND.* THE CLINTON'S ARE COMMUNIST SOCIALISTS THOUGH, AND THE BUSHES ARE FASCIST SOCIALISTS. I DON'T KNOW IF THE KERRY'S ARE COMMUNIST SOCIALISTS, OR IF THE KERRY'S ARE FASCIST SOCIALISTS THOUGH. HOPE THIS STUFF ISN'T TOO CONTROVERSIAL, BUT I HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS CRAZY STUFF. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050826/702862c2/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 17:54:28 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 26 17:54:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Clyde \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ MONEY. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050827005428.85875.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote: Hi Clyde, I have been following your money woes. I can think of no human on earth who doesn't want more money. MORE MONEY IS NEVER ENOUGH; YET WE SHOULD ALL BE ENTITLED TO PLENTY OF IT; FOR LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS! One thing I have learned in life as far as money goes, is, be damn glad for what ever amount you have. YEAH WELL I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY FROM THE EACH WEEK'S WORTH OF DRUDGERY AT WORK, BUT I AM THANKFUL FOR WHAT I'VE GOT, TO BE ABLE TO LIVE ON. JUST BARELY LIVING ON IT THOUGH; JUST BARELY GETTING BY. One never knows when you will not have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out. INSTEAD OF THROWING IT OUT THE WINDOW, I'D LIKE TO THROW A BUCKET'S WORTH OF PISS ON A POLITICIAN. Time to time I think about the amount of money I would have if I cut out all but the essentials of life to survive. I AM IN SURVIVAL MODE, FOR THE MOST PART OF EACH MONTH. AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH MONTH, I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY, TO HAVE SOME ENJOYMENT OUT OF LIFE. YET I HATE SOCIALISM. BUT THE FAILING EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS ONLY TEACH JOBS, WORKFORCE, AND SOCIAL SLAVERY SO-CALLED SECURITY. THEY DON'T TEACH: CAPITALISM, FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE, ENTERPRENEURSHIP, SUCCESS, INDEPENDENCE IN GENERAL, ENERGY INDEPENDENCE, LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, AND PEACE, ETC... Cancel cable, do with out cell phone, sell my jeep and make do with one car. I need a phone line and my pc, but I can save a fortune if I do without AOL. Just doing with out the above would save me $ 5 ,000 or more a year.Then there is the small stuff,$ 550 bucks a year on coffee and a small snack , at $2.00 a day at work. Dinner out once a week, $45.00 a week includes tip, $2,340 a year. If I get rid of my 2 dogs, 2 cats, fish and bird, the food and vet bills will save me $ 3,500 a year. Check this out Clyde, $11,390 spent for a car, snacks at work dinner out and owning pets. YEAH WELL, SAVING MONEY IS GOOD, BUT WHEN THE WORTHLESS BANKING ESTABLISHMENTS ONLY PAY AN INTEREST OF PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR, MONEY INVESTED INTO SAVINGS ACCOUNTS; WHAT KIND OF A FUTURE DO YOU CALL THAT? I CALL THAT A DAMN DREARY FUTURE. How to save money, I quit smoking 2 packs a day, saving me close to$ 2, 555 a year at the least . I have cut my food bills by eating an Asian diet, I HAVE A FRIEND WHO INFORMED ME THAT KOREAN FOOD IS TREMENDOUSLY MORE HEALTHY, BECAUSE THEY STEAM ALL OF THEIR FOOD, INSTEAD OF FRY IT, LIKE THE CHINESE DO. I'D LIKE TO TRY KOREAN FOOD SOMETIME (SOUTH KOREAN FOOD), BUT DO NOT KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY KOREAN RESTERAUNTS, HERE IN THIS INDUSTRIAL SLUM WASTELAND, OF TULSA OKLAHOMA. workdays its beans, rice, some vegetables and fruit, cost for one person to eat 5 days a week--, 6 small meals a day, comes to around$ 20.00, that's 35 meals. On weekends I do go boinkers and spend perhaps 10 bucks on a roast or chicken. As for drinks, good old ice water and 2 tea bags for a hot beverage is what, 25 cents a day for beverages? Clyde, save your change. I GO OUT AND EAT QUITE A BIT, SO THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF MY MONEY GOES. I TRY TO EAT A LOT OF THE TIME NOW AT A LOCAL BUFFET RESTERAUNT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE HIGH QUALITY, AND NOT OVERLY PRICED, GARGANTUAN ASSORTMENTS OF ROTATING DIET TYPE OF FOODS, THAT ARE AS NUTRICIOUS AS CAN BE, AND OF THE HIGHEST OF QUALITY. THE FOOD CHOICES ARE AWESOME AT THAT RESTERAUNT! THE RESTERAUNT IS CALLED: RYAN'S STEAKS BUFFET AND BAKERY. I empty my pockets of whatever change I may have from buying gas for car or food each night and find I have enough for a 12 pack twice a month--- I WISH I COULD GET A TWELVE PACK TWICE A MONTH. I SPEND THE MAJORITY OF MY MONEY AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH MONTH, ON GOALS, AND PROJECTS, AND PROJECTS TO SHARE WITH OTHERS. Clyde, are you married, or, do you pay child support ? NOPE. I'M SINGLE. I WAS BORN THE SAME YEAR THAT TULSA'S LONE WORLD TRADE TOWER WAS BUILT; 1975. Someone said that to have money is to get married and stay married. Child support is an investment in your future, it can be a big problem in the present but it pays off in the future. IF I WERE TO GET MARRIED, I MIGHT BE EVEN MORE MISERABLE THAN I AM NOW. AND WHY WOULD I WANT TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT? I DON'T WANT TO HAVE KIDS. I WANT TO BE A HERMIT, IN THE COUNTRY, AND TO BE AT ABSOLUTE PEACE AND SERENITY WITH NATURE AND TECHNOLOGY, IN AN ABSOLUTELY IDEAL LOCATION, IN COLORADO, IF SOMEDAY EVER COMES ALONG. I can fake it Clyde, so can you. Top name designer clothing is sold at Good Will, YEAH; I'VE HEARD THAT GOODWILL HAS GOOD STUFF. I NEED TO CHECK INTO GETTING SOME GOODS FROM GOODWILL, IF POSSIBLE. GOODWILL WAS WHO HELPED ME TO GET THE EMPLOYMENT THAT I HAVE NOW, AND THAT I'VE SUCCESSFULLY HAD FOR TWO YEARS NOW, AT DOLLAR GENERAL. Wallmart sells gold and silver chains that look like the REAL thing. I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT WALMART FAKE GOLD AND SILVER CHAINS, AS WELL AS REAL GOLD AND SILVER JEWELRY. I'D LIKE TO INVEST INTO SILVER BARS AND SILVER SHEET METAL! I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MONEY WILL COME FROM THOUGH, TO BUY THE SILVER SHEET METAL, FOR THE HULL OF MY MICRO SPACESHIP. Dress for success Clyde. YEAH; I'D LIKE TO GET THE BEST OF THE BEST THREE PIECE SUITS, AT THE FINEST OF DEALERS, BUT THAT IS MORE MONEY TROUBLE. I DON'T WANT CHEAP SUITS. AS THAT SAYING GOES, BY THE CARLTON BATES COMPANY: ONLY THE BEST IS GOOD ENOUGH! The only thing you can't fake are shoes, these you must sell your butt for, however the rewards are great. YEAH; I LIKE GOOD SHOES. I'D LIKE TO FIND THE BEST OF THE BEST, ALL BLACK, ONE PIECE RUBBER (LIKE RUBBERMADE BRAND, OR SOMETHING), WATERPROOF INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL WORKBOOTS, TO WEAR ALL OF THE TIME, EVERYWHERE THAT I GO. Couple of years ago I was at Atlantic City, I got into a conversation with one of the Door men at a Casino. I asked how they knew who to comp. and they told me it is all about shoes. People came in dressed in expensive cloths and cheap shoes----no comp. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT COMP STANDS FOR. When you have tons of money, spending time on your feet calls for $1,500 shoes, woman can spend $800.00 on a pair of sandles. So, people came into the casino I TOLD JOHN THAT I DON'T LIKE TO GAMBLE, AND NEVER HAVE. dressed in Rags, looking like street people, but if they wear shoes or boots that cost over $1800 or so, they get the vip treatment. Free rooms and meals and top shows. Clyde, you can wear a pair of jeans, LEVI'S ARE THE BEST JEANS STILL. ALTHOUGH I THINK J.C. PENNEY SELLS GOOD QUALITY ALTERNATIVES TO LEVI'S. white shirt, Good Will jacket and a pair of $300.00 boots and give the impression that you have money. People like that, they will listen to you. Clyde, see how you can cut down, you can with some creativity find ways to get to the money you need. Money will not come to you, you have to track it down. WORK THROUGH A TEMP AGENCY WHILE I'M NOT WORKING AT MY PART TIME JOB, ALWAYS TAKE A GOOD DOSE OF ANASTHESIA, ALWAYS HAVE A FULL BOTTLE OF OXYGEN TO USE, PURCHASE A GAS HALF MASK LIKE JOHN MENTIONED, DRINK FILTERED WATER ALL OF THE TIME, WITHOUT FAIL, AND TURN OFF MY HUMANITY, DEHUMANIZE WHILE I WORK, AND REHUMANIZE WHEN I GET BACK OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD. I know someday I may loose all my beloved toys, my life as I have it now. But, I am ready, life has been good so far to me. LIFE HASN'T BEEN GOOD TO ME, FOR THE MOST PART. Funny thing is I have as good a life as anyone making a million bucks a year, I can be content and happy with what I have, not with what I want. If it all goes up the river and I have nothing, I will have the comfort of knowing , I had a good life. CAN'T THAT BE THE CASE FOR ME TOO, AND FOR EVERYONE ELSE, EQUALLY? IF NOT, THEN WHY NOT? Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050826/5756dda8/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 18:27:01 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 26 18:27:05 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] World Trade Center controlled implosion debate weblinks to share. Message-ID: <20050827012701.62896.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> World Trade Center controlled implosion debate weblinks to share: http://www.assassinationscience.com/wtc.html http://www.krishna-das.com/wtc/wtc6.htm http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1731006 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050826/2d678820/attachment.html From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 18:37:43 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Fri Aug 26 18:37:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] World Trade Center controlled implosion debate weblinks to share. In-Reply-To: <20050827012701.62896.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050827013743.15200.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, my first reaction was a stress flashback. then anger. then I noticed that one of your sources is the infamous stormfront.org... stormfront is a bunch of nazi losers. anything on their site should be taken with 1kg of NaCl. 1.) stormfront is "less than reputable" 2.) I know of no engineer, architect, or urban planner that would entertain the installation of a self-destruct charge into a building. ever. 3.) while I have heard much furious noise regarding plots and skull-buggery regarding the WTC, I have yet to see one *_FACT_* regarding conflicting theories for the WTC tragedy. while I respect the rights for other americans (freedom of speech, right of assembly, etc) I still entertain thoughts of the slow death of nazi-wannabe scum... Bob (an ANGRY mad scientist) --- clyde lofton wrote: > > World Trade Center controlled implosion debate > weblinks to share: > > http://www.assassinationscience.com/wtc.html > > http://www.krishna-das.com/wtc/wtc6.htm > > http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1731006 > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 19:03:26 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 26 19:03:30 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] We the media brainwashed, sheeple people. Message-ID: <20050827020326.34008.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> We the media brainwashed, stupid sheeple people, are lambs being led, blindly, deafly, and dumbly divided, to the slaughter, by both the corrupt government, and by Islam. Can we the dumbass masses of stupid sheeple people wake up, and take our power controls back, before it's too late for us all, or are we all way too divided and broken, as a nation? Clyde Lofton --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050826/4d45ce97/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 26 19:07:39 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 26 19:07:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Future / Startrek / Money In-Reply-To: <20050827000343.63477.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 26, 2005 05:03:43 PM Message-ID: <20050827020739.33104.qmail@mall-net.com> > I forgot to add to the last MONEY piece, asking YOU what YOU think > of the Startrek portrayal of a resource rich money-free future, and what > YOU think that the future will bring. > IF A CASHLESS SOCIETY IS AS GOOD AS IS PORTRAYED IN THE NEXT GENERATION TYPE OF FUTURE, IT WOULDN'T SEEM BAD, Remember, these people are portraying the top of their fictional society, working as a team. The day to day life of the average person is not much portrayed. DS9, on the other hand... did involve money, booze, and the daily life of people who had supposedly high tech jobs. BUT A CASHLESS SOCIETY UNDER THE NEW AGE NEW WORLD DISORDER AND ORDER, WOULD HAVE CATCHES TO IT, AND WOULD BE DESIGNED FOR ENSLAVEMENT OF ALL PEOPLE, DUE TO THE LUCIS LUCIFER'S (ANTI) TRUST, PROMOTION OF THE ANTI-CHRIST, NEW AGE HOMOSEXUALISM-GAY AND LESBIAN PEDOPHILIA, AS FUTURE POPULATION CONTROL DRUGS. I really don't think so. Why enslave when you can have your own fantasies with things that are going to act the way you want them to? That was covered when some new guy would program the holodeck so he could be a leader. Remember that episode? As to gays and lesbians, I've know some. Two friends of mine are lesbians married to each other. Nice people. I'd say they were doing better together than one of them did with her two male partners! So what; they are people. > ANTI BIBLICAL SEXUALISM AS A MASS SCALE GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT DRUG, UNDER AN ORWELLIAN SCHEME; FREEMASONRY; ORDER OF DE MOLAY AND DISNEY COOPERATIVE; LUCIFER'S (LUCIS) SO-CALLED TRUST, SKULL AND BONES DEATH SOCIETY, CATHOLICISM AND ROSICRUCIANISM, THE UNDERGROUND KU KLUX KLAN AS IT STILL OPERATES TODAY, WITH FREEMASONRY AND DE MOLAY, AND THE MAFIA, THE CIA, AND THE KGB, ETC.... Well, actually, the church is anti sexual. And the sexuality isn't done to oppose the bible or the church, it's just done. So it's not technically anti-biblical. (Have you read the bible? There's a LOT of sex in the bible!) Society moderates sexuality and sexual competition. The lower rungs of societies generally have more sex than the upper rungs. As for all the other supposedly secret societies mentioned, they are not as bad as they seem to the uninitiated, with the possible exception of the KKK and the KGB. The mafia isn't good, but not in the same league as the KGB. Not even the KKK is in the same league as the KGB! There was an interesting conference on the effectiveness of spying a while back in the Washington area. One of the speakers, former head of the KGB, said that for every person the KGB had in Washington, we had five to ten in Moscow. Not a bad ratio! And when it came time, when the KGB suspected, or they thought the KGB suspected, we got most of them out alive. (Book: "Spy Dust") Why did we have so many high level people in Moscow, even in the KGB itself, defecting from their ideals and slipping information to us? Because people know decency when they see it. In the depths of their hearts, they want to support decency. America is that beacon of decency in this world. Sure, we have plenty of flaws. But tell that to the people who risk their lives to come to America. You only see what you want to see, Clyde. That's why I keep telling you to go look for thing worth photographing, things with some beauty to them. You need to wake up that part of your mind that sees beauty. > *AND I LEFT OUT: THE MUSLIM AKDAR SHRINERS AND CORRUPT GOVERNMENT POSSIBLE COOPERATIVE, THROUGH FREEMASONRY; THROUGH THE RITUAL ABUSE OF KIDS IN THE ORDER OF DE MOLAY, THROUGH THE KU KLUX KLAN, THROUGH THE NEW AGED WALT DISNEY CORPORATION, THROUGH THE SKULL AND BONES SOCIETY, THROUGH CATHOLICISM, THROUGH ROSICRUCIANISM, THROUGH COMMUNISM, THROUGH FASCISM, THROUGH GLOBALISM, ETC.... I've worked for some Muslims on occasion. They look like people to me. Didn't seem to have any crazy notions about blowing up America. Mostly, if they didn't have permanent visas, they were trying hard to stay here! On the evening of 9/11, I think it was, I drove through part of San Jose, California. At one intersection was a swarthy man, obviously middle eastern. He was waving a very large American flag for all to see. You could see his arms and legs were tired by then. It was a large and heavy flag on a pole maybe taller than he was. He kept waving it back and forth as I waited for the light to change. It brought tears to my eyes. He just knew what he had to do, for America, and for his own people. He was probably here on an H1b visa, as many of them were then, working in tech. I saluted him. I thought of some of the other Muslims I'd worked with, as co-workers, and as managers in the corporations I deal with. And some of the other good guys trying, tooth and nail, to stay in this Grand country. > MAYBE THE ODDFELLOWS HAVE SOME INVOLVEMENT TOO, BUT I THINK THEY ARE PROBABLY JUST CASTRATED OLD MEN, DOING 'GOOD' COMMUNITY SERVICE, BUT I MAY BE WRONG; THEY MAY HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF INVOLVEMENT IN THE GRAND OCCULTISM SHADOW GOVERNMENT UNDERGROUND SCHEME OF THINGS, TOO. I attended some oddfellows meetings. Just people. Lots of stuff on shadow government conspiracies on the web. Nothing that I saw made any sense. A former friend of mine, as jobs got harder for him to hold, turned to talking about conspiracies, blaming them for all his troubles. And with that, jobs became nearly impossible for him to hold! Negativism is self perpetuating. After a while, those believing the conspiracies stop trying. Yes the conspiracy theories, not the mythical conspiracies, destroy them. I stopped talking to him because he no longer made sense. We didn't have anything to talk about anymore, and he just wasn't trying anymore, so of course he wasn't getting any jobs anymore. And he blamed that on the conspiracies. It's the theories that got him! > I DO KNOW NOW, THAT THE SKULL AND BONES SOCIETY OF DEATH, MUSLIM EXTREMISM, AND THE TERRORISM OF SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2001, ARE ALL ODDLY LINKED, BUT I CANNOT PRESENT A CONSPIRACY THEORY ON EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON, AND ON EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON, IN THE OCCULT SHADOW GOVERNMENT UNDERGROUND.* So you think. I don't think so. I do not blame conspiracies for my problems. I blame my own ignorance. And so, I keep trying. > THE CLINTON'S ARE COMMUNIST SOCIALISTS THOUGH, AND THE BUSHES ARE FASCIST SOCIALISTS. I doubt this very much. > I DON'T KNOW IF THE KERRY'S ARE COMMUNIST SOCIALISTS, OR IF THE KERRY'S ARE FASCIST SOCIALISTS THOUGH. I doubt it matters; a large part of America told him to go jump in a lake. > HOPE THIS STUFF ISN'T TOO CONTROVERSIAL, BUT I HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS CRAZY STUFF. Well... it's not exactly on track, but we do encounter it, being off on the edges of humanity in our mad scientist quests. Part of life is just ignoring the stuff that looks too odd. Sure, you miss somethings; but a lot of that stuff just makes no sense when you look at it. I remember a lecture by one successful Amway distributor who had been a loading dock type person. He said he had no education, had been biased as all heck against those sissy folks in suits, whom he said he had thought were mostly homosexuals. One day, he signed up for Amway, recruited by a buddy of his. He started selling soap. He was a little braver than his buddy, tried and succeeded in selling some of the soap to the company he worked for. This brought him into contact with the management of the company he worked for as the order sizes increased. He also sold it to a lot of other people, seeing how they lived, what their lives were really about. He laughed about his prejudices and misconceptions! He said it was hard for him; but he learned one heck of a lot about how real people are from meeting them via Amway. And he wore a suit while giving that lecture, having finally realized that the more successful people expected successful people to dress up for things other than funerals. I joined Amway to learn sales and learn about people. I made some fair money for a college student; but that wasn't my goal in joining. I wanted to learn how to sell my ideas. It was either Amway, or take the Dale Carnegie Sales Course. As time went on, my Amway earnings paid for the Dale Carnegie Sales Course. Amway was a heck of a lot more broad banded. It was a good education in marketing that paid ME! (Note, I am allergic to a lot of Amway products. I was not a success in Amway because I am not a salesman type... I did get out of it what I needed -- a better understanding of the world and of business. And yes, I made some cash, bought a beat up old car, etc. with the money. It was part of growing up.) In Amway, I saw people are people. They come in all sizes, all races, and all beliefs. And by and large, they will do to you what you expect them to. So if you expect the best and treat them with dignity and respect, you will get that in return. If you talk about conspiracies and not being able to do things, they will see you as being unable to do anything, and not give you the chance. They will distance themselves from you. If you talk about doing things, interesting things, and treat people with decency, show them what you are trying to do; they will make suggestions, try to help you, etc. As you develop the social graces of leadership, and they are graces, people will start listening to your ideas, following your leadership, pointing out where leadership is needed, and leading you to real opportunities to lead. I started out as a geeky kid shooting model rockets into the sky when I was 12 or 13. I didn't know much about other kids. After a few rounds of building and launching rockets, I asked Mom if I could invite some kids over... Little did she, or I, know what was about to happen! I called every kid who's name I could remember, and asked him to call everyone he knew and come over to see the rockets. I didn't think most would come, as we were mostly on foot at that age. 26 kids showed up for the first meeting. Mom ran out of popcorn. We didn't care! We saw things leap into the sky! And we talked about how each one of us could do that! By 15, I was leading a club of over 50 kids launching rockets. We didn't have a president, we just had the kid at who's house the meeting was, run the show. For this, we learned Robert's Rules of Order the hard way -- seeing what worked! (Laughing!) 50 unruly kids soon learned to be orderly and happy at the same time! Even our teachers had trouble doing that to us! But you see, we wanted it. We saw what worked, and what didn't. We learned. That was the experience that made it possible for me to run business meetings of all kinds. In one company, the Polish owner would sit down a "the big table", look at me, say my name, and I would run the top business meeting of that company. When we had covered all the issues, settled all the disagreements we could settle, and knew what we needed to do next, I'd look at him, ask him if there was anything else. And he would close the meeting. I was acting as the chairman of the board, not by formal appointment; but because he saw I did a better job, spoke more clearly, made sure all sides got time to explain their points, even if they did not agree with me. I was clear, fair, and decent. And of course, I really knew the stuff we were working on! What I'd also learned by then, was to lead not by proclamation, but by asking questions and getting them to talk about alternative ways of doing things that we needed to get done. That way, they always believed it was in large part their idea, and so they wanted to do it that way. Some call that MBW -- management by walking around. You can not assume leadership without people who want you to lead. The key is being the kind of decent, respectable person people want to lead them. Conspiracies? Who needs them! Even if they were real, you get further believing they are not real, because... The people who get drawn into the secret society deals are generally people who are not able to make it on their own! They are mentally weak, inept, and so just not important. And once they turn into an us vs them frame of mind, they are doomed! They start blaming everything on "Them", and so stop trying to do anything with themselves. It's plain stupidity multiplied. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 26 19:12:11 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 26 19:12:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] We the media brainwashed, sheeple people. In-Reply-To: <20050827020326.34008.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 26, 2005 07:03:26 PM Message-ID: <20050827021211.34979.qmail@mall-net.com> > We the media brainwashed, stupid sheeple > people, are lambs being led, blindly, deafly, > and dumbly divided, to the slaughter, by > both the corrupt government, and by Islam. > Can we the dumbass masses of stupid > sheeple people wake up, and take our > power controls back, before it's too late > for us all, or are we all way too divided and > broken, as a nation? I don't know about you, Clyde, but most of the people I know... with the exception of some up here in the mountains, are still awake, with it, and building America day after day. Most of the guys up here make Igor look intelligent, drink like fish, and are about as useful as fish out of water after they are drunk. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 26 19:27:58 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 26 19:28:01 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] World Trade Center controlled implosion debate In-Reply-To: <20050827012701.62896.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 26, 2005 06:27:01 PM Message-ID: <20050827022758.41152.qmail@mall-net.com> > World Trade Center controlled implosion debate > weblinks to share: I saw the event on TV many times, then read the engineering reports. I have also read about how people do controlled implosions, etc. (Not much, but a few articles, as we were looking at the possibility of taking a building we'd known well, and taking it down for profit recently. The demolition was up for bids, so we had a kind of for-fun discussion to see if we could make a buck, and what kind of technology was needed to do it. We did not bid, because we didn't have any real proof that our ideas would work. And they would have taken a lot longer time than the city wanted to allow for demolition.) The manner of collapse of the world trade towers was quite logical, given how they were built. And sure, if someone wanted to demolish them, as opposed to dismantling them, the collapse would be done just about the same way. After all, gravity pulls down, no? Once the beams were weakened by the prolonged fire from all that jet fuel, one floor fell onto the next. That was the key -- the fire burned a LOT longer than the designers expectedly; because jumbo jets with so much fuel were not the norm at that time. Both those floors were fire weakened. The second floor gave way, and now you had twice the weight hitting the third floor. Three times the weight of one floor hitting the fourth floor, and on down the line. And the core went too. Had they blown part of the bottom of the building on one side, and done it effectively, they might, MIGHT have had the building fall sideways. But chances are, they would have only lost several floors, and the main core would have withstood. Conspiracy? Pretty damned hard to find Americans who would do that RELIABLY! Most people crazy enough to do it, would not last through two years of learning to fly. And the number of people needed to handle that kind of thing would have been far too large to allow effective security. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 26 19:42:12 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 26 19:42:14 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Clyde \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ MONEY. In-Reply-To: <20050827005428.85875.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 26, 2005 05:54:28 PM Message-ID: <20050827024212.47048.qmail@mall-net.com> > > --===============1084330456== > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1844135604-1125104068=:85533" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > --0-1844135604-1125104068=:85533 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > > Vesta111@aol.com wrote: Hi Clyde, > > I have been following your money woes. I can think of no human on earth who doesn't want more money. > > MORE MONEY IS NEVER ENOUGH; YET WE SHOULD ALL BE ENTITLED TO > PLENTY OF IT; FOR LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS! Capitalism: To each acording to his ability Socialism: To each according to his need Fascism: To each according to his position in the heirarchy Communism: To each... nah, just shoot them. > YEAH WELL, SAVING MONEY IS GOOD, BUT WHEN THE WORTHLESS BANKING ESTABLISHMENTS ONLY PAY AN INTEREST OF PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR, MONEY INVESTED INTO SAVINGS ACCOUNTS; WHAT KIND OF A > FUTURE DO YOU CALL THAT? One hell of a lot better than the future under Carter, when I was getting over 12% on my money!!! Because stagflation was making money worth less faster. > Couple of years ago I was at Atlantic City, I got into a conversation with one of the Door men at a Casino. I asked how they knew who to comp. and they told me it is all about shoes. People came in dressed in expensive cloths and cheap shoes----no comp. > > I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT COMP STANDS FOR. They let some high rollers stay free, figuring they make more on the gambling than the room and meals cost. > WORK THROUGH A TEMP AGENCY WHILE I'M NOT WORKING AT MY PART TIME JOB, ALWAYS TAKE A GOOD DOSE OF ANASTHESIA, ALWAYS HAVE A FULL BOTTLE OF OXYGEN TO USE, PURCHASE A GAS HALF MASK LIKE JOHN MENTIONED, DRINK FILTERED WATER ALL OF THE TIME, WITHOUT FAIL, AND TURN OFF MY HUMANITY, DEHUMANIZE WHILE I WORK, AND REHUMANIZE WHEN I GET BACK OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD. If you dehumanize yourself during working hours, you will be seen as a robot, given more work, less pay, and less responsibility. It is only through the humanity, the pride found by doing the job well, that you advance yourself. You get noticed by doing more in a happy way, by encouraging others, building teamwork, etc. The teamwork and encouragement you give others shows you have management potential. > LIFE HASN'T BEEN GOOD TO ME, FOR THE MOST PART. That was yesterday, Clyde. What about tomorrow? How can you make tomorrow better? > IF NOT, THEN WHY NOT? You only get out of life what you put in. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Aug 26 19:51:46 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Aug 26 19:51:51 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Future / Startrek / Money In-Reply-To: <20050827020739.33104.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Aug 27, 2005 02:07:39 AM Message-ID: <20050827025146.50498.qmail@mall-net.com> > Society moderates sexuality and sexual competition. The lower rungs > of societies generally have more sex than the upper rungs. As for all Excuse me, I meant that there is more public display of sexuality than in the upper rungs. The upper rungs are more cultural, and are more private about things. > the other supposedly secret societies mentioned, they are not as bad as > they seem to the uninitiated, with the possible exception of the KKK and > the KGB. The mafia isn't good, but not in the same league as the KGB. > Not even the KKK is in the same league as the KGB! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 20:42:53 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Aug 26 20:43:01 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MORE WEBLINKS. 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Maybe it won't make you look that bad, buy why risk it? http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-08/27/content_3409751.htm -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From texastjs at swbell.net Sat Aug 27 08:27:49 2005 From: texastjs at swbell.net (Tim) Date: Sat Aug 27 08:28:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 67 In-Reply-To: <20050825044753.706C539839@kang.vjc.com> References: <20050825044753.706C539839@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <43108675.9070509@swbell.net> mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG wrote: >Send Mad-Scientists mailing list submissions to > mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >You can reach the person managing the list at > mad-scientists-owner@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Mad-Scientists digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. The customer/supplier/product relationship (Michael Best) > 2. Re: Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65 (clyde lofton) > 3. Re: The customer/supplier/product relationship (clyde lofton) > 4. Re: Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65 > (javilk@mall-net.com) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:15:09 -0400 >From: "Michael Best" >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The customer/supplier/product relationship >To: , , > >Message-ID: <00f901c5a90a$0e040a00$6601a8c0@mikey> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Any capitalist business requires three things: A supplier, a >product/service, and a customer for the product/service. > >A century ago, my great-grandfather, Dr. Benjamin W. Best, was a physician. >He supplied the service of medical care to his customers, the patients. >Seventy years ago, my grandfather, John H. Best, a pharmacist, provided >medicines to his customers, ailing patients. > >Notice the relationship- Supplier= physician or pharmacist, product= medical >care or medicine, customer= patient. > >Fast forward to the 21st century, where underwriters pay for medical care. >Now the relationship is: > >Supplier= Professional Associations of physicians, and multinational drug >companies >Customer, who pays the bills= insurance underwriters >PRODUCT= SICK PEOPLE! > >The entire paradigm of health care is bassackwards! > >The money is made not from fee-for-services of healing, but from insurance >payments, most notably the Socialist Medicare program. The driving force >today, the profit incentive, is to make money from the underwriters by >selling the patient's illness to the insurers! > >The bottom line of medical business today is best served by keeping patients >ill; NOT curing their ailment. > >And all this began when Medicare established "Reasonable and Customary >Charges!" How does it feel to be a piece of meat in the butcher's market? >That is ALL the patient is today! Simply a product to be sold to the >highest bidder. > >My great-grandfather delivered babies for three chickens, or a ham. I have >his old account book. What does that service cost the underwriter today? > >Are YOU the customer, or the product to be sold??? > >-MB > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:11:06 -0700 (PDT) >From: clyde lofton >Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue > 65 >To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List >Message-ID: <20050825011106.34535.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >Tim wrote: > > > >>Clyde-do you suppose maybe you have heavy metals overload? >> >> > >THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY. > >BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT CHECKING TO SEE IF THAT MAY BE THE CASE; IF MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN (M.D.) IS UNWILLING TO HELP ME OUT ON CHECKING INTO THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO TURN TO FOR HELP. > >I am on AP therapy, > >WHAT IS A.P. ABBREVIATED FOR? > >turns out one of the benefits of the Macrolides family of antibiotics > >I'D LIKE TO CHECK INTO COLLOIDAL SILVER, TO FIND OUT IF THAT MAY BE OF SOME BENEFIT TO MYSELF, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS AS WELL. > >THE DOCTORS WERE CONTINUALLY DOING PULSE OX. TESTS ON ME, AND MY OXYGEN LEVEL ALWAYS CHECKED OUT GOOD; > >AND DRINKING LOT'S OF ANTI-OXIDANTS DOESN'T SEEM TO ALTER THE WAY THAT I FEEL, VERY MUCH. > >*I WONDER IF MY SYSTEM COULD BE FAR TOO ACIDIC, OR FAR TOO ALKALINE? > >DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW I CAN CHECK THOSE TWO THINGS? > >I'D LIKE TO BE CHEMICALLY NEUTRAL, IF POSSIBLE.* > >helps chelate out toxic metals as well as modulating cytochrome P450 metabolic pathway. > >MY CARDIOVASCULAR STRESS IS CONSTANTLY HIGH; COULD IT BE HARDENING, AND / OR DAMAGING MY VESSELS AND ARTERIES? > >THIS GOAL ORIENTED PERFECTIONISM OF MINE, HAS GONE TOO FAR, AND I AM PAYING FOR IT, WITH OVERWHELMING STRESS, HEALTH TROUBLES. > >I probably have a combined heme and methylation problem and perhaps pyroluric and celiac as well as a buncha' otha' crap wrong. > >Anyway-got my problems sorted out-but it took a lot of research and I had trouble with local m.d.'s (they were rather limited intellectually-and couldn't believe a patient had more research skills and better diagnostic insight than themselves > >YEAH; I'M FINDING OUT NOW HOW LIMITED THAT THE M.D.'S TRULY ARE, INTELLECTUALLY, SINCE MY LEARNING OF THE MAD-SCI FORUM, AND THROUGH MY CORRESPONDING WITH JOHN (JAVILK). > >-ego buster). Copper and any other metal is only important in TRACE amounts-however, > >I'VE STARTED TAKING NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMINS USUALLY EVERY DAY NOW, WITH AN OCCASIONAL VITAMIN B COMPLEX STRESS REDUCEMENT VITAMIN, ALONG WITH ZINC, ON OCCASION. > >I HAVE THE NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMIN BOX, HERE IN FRONT OF MYSELF, AND IT SHOWS THAT IT CONTAINS 2 mG'S OF COPPER (OXIDE) IN ITS MIXTURE; NEXT TO THAT, IT READS: 100%, UNDER THE %DV AMOUNT PER TABLET, AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMN. > >I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE (% OF) *DV* STANDS FOR. > >if you are slanted a certain way in your metabolic pathways, > >I AM NOW WONDERING IF THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP HAVE CAUSED PERMANENT IRREVERSIBLE HARM, TO MY CARDIOVASCULAR ARRANGEMENT. > >I THINK I AM HAVING DRUG INDUCED SLEEP APNEA NOW, AT NIGHT TIME, DURING SLEEP. > >I WAKE UP AT TIMES, FEELING AS THOUGH I'M GOING TO SUFFOCATE IN MY SLEEP, AND ALSO WAKE UP WITH NUMBNESS IN MY ARMS AND LEGS AT TIMES TOO, AND BAD ACHING PAINS IN MY CHEST, IN THE MORNINGS. > >what works for one person may store too easily in you-or you may not store ENOUGH, like others are able to. > >I NEED BETTER TESTS RUN ON MYSELF, TO DETERMINE EVERYTHING THAT COULD BE WRONG. > >THOSE TESTES AREN'T CHEAP THOUGH, FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, AND I AM NOT WEALTHY; SO I CANNOT AFFORD EXPENSIVE TESTS TO BE PERFORMED ON MYSELF. > >Either way you are in trouble if it goes on very long. > >IT HAS GONE ON FOR SO LONG NOW THAT I AM NEXT TO DEPERATE FOR ALTERNATIVES THAT WORK, FOR THE REDUCTION OF ALL OF THE OVERWHELMING STRESS THAT I FEEL. > >PEACE. > >OH, HOW I DESPERATELY NEED PEACE IN MY LIFE NOW. > >I found a website that I'd recommend as good for research information on metabolic pathways and supplements-it's called > >http://www.acu-cellresearch.com > >I'LL LOOK INTO IT. > >THANKS FOR SHARING THAT WEBSITE. > >If this link doesn't work I'll look it up and send it again. > >Clyde-do me a favor! Please do not cut and paste my stuff > >DO YOU MEAN BOTH CUT AND PASTE, WHILE ADDING CURSE WORDS TO IT, AT THE SAME TIME? ; > >OR ARE YOU ONLY WANTING ME TO EXCLUDE ANY CURSE WORDS? > >and then append your cursing to it, okay, > >Please! > >I just hate that- > >but I care about you-all right? > >ALRIGHT. > >Thanks, Lisa > > >SINCERELY; CLYDE > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/f50d50b6/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:03:52 -0700 (PDT) >From: clyde lofton >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: The customer/supplier/product > relationship >To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@MAD-SCIENTISTS.ORG >Message-ID: <20050825020352.14211.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >Michael Best wrote: >Any capitalist business requires three things: A supplier, a >product/service, and a customer for the product/service. > >A century ago, my great-grandfather, Dr. Benjamin W. Best, was a physician. >He supplied the service of medical care to his customers, the patients. >Seventy years ago, my grandfather, John H. Best, a pharmacist, provided >medicines to his customers, ailing patients. > >Notice the relationship- Supplier= physician or pharmacist, product= medical >care or medicine, customer= patient. > >Fast forward to the 21st century, where underwriters pay for medical care. >Now the relationship is: > >Supplier= Professional Associations of physicians, and multinational drug >companies > >PILL PUSHERS: (THE F'ING COMMERCIALISM OF PHARMACOLOGY.). > >OBSCENE KHEMICAL KOMPLEXES WITH STUPID COMMERCIALISM NAMES APPLIED TO THEM, AND OVERWHELMING AMOUNTS OF INCLUDED FINE PRINT, THAT THE AVERAGE CIVILIAN HAS NO TIME TO GO THROUGH, AND SORT OUT ALL OF THE SHIT. > >TELEVISION COMMERICIALISM IS SO DAMNED STUPID, PERTANING TO PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, AND THEIR COMMERCIALISM. > >I GET SO TIRED OF ALL OF THE STUPID TELEVISION COMMERCIALS OF DRUG ADDS / DRUG CAMPAINS. > >THE COMPLEX FINE PRINT WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS TO THE AVERAGE END USER, INCLUDED WITH PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. > >THE CADUCEUS CRAP PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX, AND THE DOCTORS THAT THEY OWN AND OPERATE, CONTINUE TO RAKE IN ALL OF THE MOUNTAINS OF INSURANCE INTRAFUCKTURE DOUGH, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT; NOW I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. > > >Customer, who pays the bills= insurance underwriters >PRODUCT= SICK PEOPLE! > > >DAMN STRAIGHT! > >EVEN THE CHIROPRACTOR HAS PERMANENTLY PUT MY SPINE OUT OF ALLIGNMENT, TOO, I THINK, TO WHERE I WILL NEED ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, OR UNTIL THE MEDICARE COVERAGE RUNS OUT, AND THEN I WILL BE SCREWED, WITH MAJOR BACK PAIN, AND BACK DISCOMFORT. > >I THINK MY SPINE WILL NEVER PERMANANTLY HEAL, BACK TO WHAT IT WAS LIKE, WHEN I WAS A NEWBORN BABY. > > >The entire paradigm of health care is bassackwards! > > >YES. > >AND THE EDUCATIONAL, AND THE FINANCIAL, AND THE INSURANCE INFRASTRUCTURES / INTRAFUCKTURES ARE ALL IN ON IT TOGETHER; YET IT GOES DEEPER THAN THAT. > >MILITARY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >FINANCIAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >POLITICAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >EDUCATIONAL KOMPLEX. > >BANKING KOMPLEX. > >AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >MINING INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >PLANT HARVESTING KOMPLEX. > >ELEKTRICAL ENERGY GENERATION AND DISTRIBUTION > >INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >SLAVE LABOR WORKERS UNIONS. > >ETC...... > >AND THERE IS MORE THAT I KNOW THAT I HAVE LEFT OUT, YET CANNOT THINK OF, AT THIS TIME. > > >The money is made not from fee-for-services of healing, but from insurance >payments, most notably the Socialist Medicare program. > >I FEEL LIKE THE PRESIDENTS: THE BUSHES AND THE CLINTON'S EQUALLY, AND MOST OF THE SO-CALLED LEADERSHIP NOW, ARE SOCIALISTS; THEY CARE NOTHING ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS EDUCATION SUCCESS; THEIR ONLY CONCERN IS OVERFLOWING THEIR POCKETS WITH DOUGH, BEFORE THEY ARE KICKED OUT OF OFFICE, AND HAVE NO CONCERN ABOUT EDUCATION TEACHING INDEPENDENT CAPITALISM, AND FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE FOR THE MASSES (WE THE PEOPLE.). > >F.D.R. STARTED SOCIAL SLAVERY SO-CALLED SECURITY; BUT HERBERT HOOVER, THE PRECEEDING PRESIDENT BEFORE ROOSEVELT, WAS BLAMED FOR THE DEPRESSION. > >SO WHEN WAS THE END OF CAPITALISM BEING TAUGHT, IN THE MAINSTREAM EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, IF IT WAS EVEN EVER TAUGHT AT ALL, IN THE MAINSTREAM EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, FOR THE FINANCIAL SUCCESS AND INDEPENDENCE FOR ALL SMALL BUSINESS ENTHUSIAST AMERICANS, EQUALLY? > >I'M CONFUSED AS HELL. > >THE FASCIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST FAILING PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL SHITSTEM, DOESN'T TEACH TO BE INDEPENDENT CAPITALISTS; IT TEACHES JOBS, WORKFORCE, AND IN THE END; SOCIAL SLAVERY SO-CALLED SECURITY. > >The driving force today, the profit incentive, is to make money from the underwriters by >selling the patient's illness to the insurers! > >The bottom line of medical business today is best served by keeping patients >ill; NOT curing their ailment. > >DAMN STRAIGHT! > > >And all this began when Medicare established "Reasonable and Customary >Charges!" How does it feel to be a piece of meat in the butcher's market? >That is ALL the patient is today! Simply a product to be sold to the >highest bidder. > >My great-grandfather delivered babies for three chickens, or a ham. I have >his old account book. What does that service cost the underwriter today? > >Are YOU the customer, or the product to be sold??? > >GOOD POINTS! > >BUT I'VE LOST MY MIND, AND DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO BACK TO DO ANY FURTHER REVISIONS TO THIS POSTING. > >CLYDE > > >-MB > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/18a9523d/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 04:47:47 +0000 (GMT) >From: javilk@mall-net.com >Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue > 65 >To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >Message-ID: <20050825044747.23716.qmail@mall-net.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > >>I'D LIKE TO CHECK INTO COLLOIDAL SILVER, TO FIND OUT IF THAT MAY BE OF >> >> >SOME BENEFIT TO MYSELF, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS AS WELL. > > Only if you have some kind of infection. Longer term use colloidal >silver produces a PERMANENTLY gray pallor. I've seen in in some older >folks who used colloidal silver before the antibiotics revolution of the >mid to late 50's. it does not look good! Maybe not quite "tin man", but >mildly disturbing to see. > > > >>THE DOCTORS WERE CONTINUALLY DOING PULSE OX. TESTS ON ME, AND MY >> >> >OXYGEN LEVEL ALWAYS CHECKED OUT GOOD; > > Why were they doing that? Do they realize that the Pulsox method >of sensing oxygen will not detect carbon monoxide poisoning? People >with carbon monoxide poisoning typically look a little reddish because >CO bound hemoglobin is as red or redder than oxygen bound hemoglobin. > > > >>*I WONDER IF MY SYSTEM COULD BE FAR TOO ACIDIC, OR FAR TOO ALKALINE? >>DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW I CAN CHECK THOSE TWO THINGS? >> >> > > Urine pH. You can get some pH strips; just get something which is a >little narrower in range, say 5.5 - 7, so that there is good color >separation between the bands. 5.2 - 7.8 isn't that bad; but it's easier >to tell the color change when the band is narrower. > > This will not tell you blood pH; but in a reasonably healthy >person, the kidneys adjust blood pH, so if your urine is alkaline, your >blood tends to be also. > > Sleep apnea is more common in people who have alkaline blood. >Acidity drives respiration. Raising blood acidity will make you breathe >deeper to adjust it. > > > >>I'D LIKE TO BE CHEMICALLY NEUTRAL, IF POSSIBLE.* >> >> > > Don't know if that is a good idea. > > > >>helps chelate out toxic metals as well as modulating cytochrome P450 metabolic pathway. >> >> > > I have chelation therapy with disodium EDTA periodically. It >helps. If this is a problem, one needs to make sure one is getting >enough salt, as those with porphyria tend to dump salts just before a >major attack. > > > >>MY CARDIOVASCULAR STRESS IS CONSTANTLY HIGH; COULD IT BE HARDENING, >> >> >AND / OR DAMAGING MY VESSELS AND ARTERIES? > > If you get enough vitamin C and magnesium, and can keep the blood >pressure down, it would be better. Garlic and onions will lower blood >pressure, but can get you fired from jobs where you have to deal with >the public. (Unless, maybe, you can deal with a good Italian >community.) > > > >>THIS GOAL ORIENTED PERFECTIONISM OF MINE, HAS GONE TOO FAR, AND I AM >> >> >PAYING FOR IT, WITH OVERWHELMING STRESS, HEALTH TROUBLES. > > Remember, it is more perfect to get things done, than to not get >them done. And many times, when you get the thing done, you see that >something else is needed, so the perfectionism delayed things and made >them more expensive. Most needs change. Perfectionism is often very >inflexible when it comes to meeting changing needs. > > > >>I probably have a combined heme and methylation problem and perhaps >>pyroluric and celiac as well as a buncha' otha' crap wrong. >> >> > > Every been tested for porphyria? > > > >>Anyway-got my problems sorted out-but it took a lot of research and I >>had trouble with local m.d.'s (they were rather limited >>intellectually-and couldn't believe a patient had more research skills >>and better diagnostic insight than themselves >> >> > > Yep. > > > > >>>I'VE STARTED TAKING NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMINS USUALLY EVERY >>> >>> >DAY NOW, WITH AN OCCASIONAL VITAMIN B COMPLEX STRESS REDUCEMENT VITAMIN, >ALONG WITH ZINC, ON OCCASION. > I HAVE THE NATURE MADE BRAND, >MULTIVITAMIN BOX, HERE IN FRONT OF MYSELF, AND IT SHOWS THAT IT CONTAINS >2 mG'S OF COPPER (OXIDE) IN ITS MIXTURE; NEXT TO THAT, IT READS: 100%, >UNDER THE %DV AMOUNT PER TABLET, AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMN. > I DO NOT >KNOW WHAT THE (% OF) *DV* STANDS FOR. > > Probably means Daily Value, as opposed to the FDA's RDA (Recommended >Daily Allowance), which is usually geared to an underweight sedentary >worker. > > > >>I AM NOW WONDERING IF THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP HAVE CAUSED >> >> >PERMANENT IRREVERSIBLE HARM, TO MY CARDIOVASCULAR ARRANGEMENT. > I THINK >I AM HAVING DRUG INDUCED SLEEP APNEA NOW, AT NIGHT TIME, DURING SLEEP. > >I WAKE UP AT TIMES, FEELING AS THOUGH I'M GOING TO SUFFOCATE IN MY >SLEEP, AND ALSO WAKE UP WITH NUMBNESS IN MY ARMS AND LEGS AT TIMES TOO, >AND BAD ACHING PAINS IN MY CHEST, IN THE MORNINGS. > > That almost sounds like carbon monoxide poisoning. It could also >be a pillow allergy, misalignment of the neck due to a bad pillow, and >some other things. > > > >>I NEED BETTER TESTS RUN ON MYSELF, TO DETERMINE EVERYTHING THAT COULD >> >> >BE WRONG. > THOSE TESTES AREN'T CHEAP THOUGH, FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, >AND I AM NOT WEALTHY; SO I CANNOT AFFORD EXPENSIVE TESTS TO BE PERFORMED >ON MYSELF. > > That is a problem. Some things you can test yourself. Typing >speed or speed in tapping some pattern as if on a musical instrument can >be a window onto neurological function. > > Even if you don't find ways of proving or disproving specific >hypotheses, you can run tests of performance, such as finger >coordination, lung volume, or maybe how many pushups or pullups you can >do, and try to correlate them to foods, medicines, and where you are. > > For example, if you can get some means of measuring lung volume or >breath strength, you can see if you do better in the morning, before >going to work, later in the day at work, mid evening at home, and just >before bed time. This should give you a clue about exposures and >allergens. If the morning is bad, then bed and pillow, or laundry >detergents become suspect. (You are not using fabric softener, are you? >Number one suspect in night time problems is fabric softener and >detergent. And then gas appliances and ventilation.) > > > > >>IT HAS GONE ON FOR SO LONG NOW THAT I AM NEXT TO DEPERATE FOR >> >> >ALTERNATIVES THAT WORK, FOR THE REDUCTION OF ALL OF THE OVERWHELMING >STRESS THAT I FEEL. > PEACE. > OH, HOW I DESPERATELY NEED PEACE IN MY >LIFE NOW. > > When we find and eliminate what is triggering your adrenals, your >whole sense of what is going on will change for the better. > >http://www.acu-cellresearch.com > > Not a working site. Tried both acu and accu. Do you mean >http://www.acu-cell.com perchance? > > > >>>Clyde-do me a favor! Please do not cut and paste my >>> >>> >stuff > >DO YOU MEAN BOTH CUT AND PASTE, WHILE ADDING CURSE WORDS TO >IT, AT THE SAME TIME? >OR ARE YOU ONLY WANTING ME TO EXCLUDE ANY >CURSE WORDS? > > It is well accepted internet protocol to edit out sections of the >previous reply which are no longer relevant to the discussion. > > Curse words and diatribes, we can all do without. They basically >show that you are up against the wall and no longer thinking clearly. >We know that already from the capitalization. But sometimes that IS >life, and we rooting for you, hoping you'll get better and feel more >comfortable with your life to the point where you can see beyond the >diatribes and stereotypes. Meanwhile, you are telling us that you are >alive! And we do want to hear that. > >-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) >CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. >Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. >My opinions are subject to the availability of information. >I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. > >For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices >orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. >Today's Art Photo > Chem / Fungus allergies > Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. > Arthritis >Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. >Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Mad-Scientists mailing list >Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > >End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 67 >********************************************** > > > Clyde-You are too funny! Please just make SURE to cut the curse parts-PLEASE! I may want to share some of your insight with those who need it badly and I also do not want it to look like I am cursing! I realize how awful and frustrating things are-I've been through the wringer-but so have a host of other people! I came across a thought that was rare-A lady who was horribly disfigured by someone randomly throwing Sulphuric Acid off of a road overpass onto her and her friend driving underneath it, said (esentially) "When I say I don't deserve this-I am arrogantly saying someone else did." There is a basic truth to that statement, when we mourn our predicament and get all self-centered and ingrown-we are saying "I'm so special-Why me-Why not someone else?" Well why not "YOU" or "ME" how are we so much more special and precious than anyone else walking this planet? Babies are born everyday with tragic problems, and people are maimed and killed each day, as they just try to go to their jobs, outings, etc. Life is not fair. However, life really is precious-I know you are in pain-mental, physical and spiritual-it comes through-and I really care-like many others here. Some of us have pain too! I just want to ask you to try to respect that about me (that I want to help) and try to keep the cursing out of replies to me at least! I posted acu-cell research hoping it would help you get your issues under control and give you hope. I have some really terrrible things I am dealing with-and I can't escape my environment, so it's hard. I will be praying for you-think about sending one up for me too! Lisa From texastjs at swbell.net Sat Aug 27 09:03:50 2005 From: texastjs at swbell.net (Tim) Date: Sat Aug 27 09:03:59 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 67 In-Reply-To: <20050825044753.706C539839@kang.vjc.com> References: <20050825044753.706C539839@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <43108EE6.8050706@swbell.net> mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG wrote: >Send Mad-Scientists mailing list submissions to > mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >You can reach the person managing the list at > mad-scientists-owner@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Mad-Scientists digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. The customer/supplier/product relationship (Michael Best) > 2. Re: Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65 (clyde lofton) > 3. Re: The customer/supplier/product relationship (clyde lofton) > 4. Re: Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65 > (javilk@mall-net.com) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:15:09 -0400 >From: "Michael Best" >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The customer/supplier/product relationship >To: , , > >Message-ID: <00f901c5a90a$0e040a00$6601a8c0@mikey> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Any capitalist business requires three things: A supplier, a >product/service, and a customer for the product/service. > >A century ago, my great-grandfather, Dr. Benjamin W. Best, was a physician. >He supplied the service of medical care to his customers, the patients. >Seventy years ago, my grandfather, John H. Best, a pharmacist, provided >medicines to his customers, ailing patients. > >Notice the relationship- Supplier= physician or pharmacist, product= medical >care or medicine, customer= patient. > >Fast forward to the 21st century, where underwriters pay for medical care. >Now the relationship is: > >Supplier= Professional Associations of physicians, and multinational drug >companies >Customer, who pays the bills= insurance underwriters >PRODUCT= SICK PEOPLE! > >The entire paradigm of health care is bassackwards! > >The money is made not from fee-for-services of healing, but from insurance >payments, most notably the Socialist Medicare program. The driving force >today, the profit incentive, is to make money from the underwriters by >selling the patient's illness to the insurers! > >The bottom line of medical business today is best served by keeping patients >ill; NOT curing their ailment. > >And all this began when Medicare established "Reasonable and Customary >Charges!" How does it feel to be a piece of meat in the butcher's market? >That is ALL the patient is today! Simply a product to be sold to the >highest bidder. > >My great-grandfather delivered babies for three chickens, or a ham. I have >his old account book. What does that service cost the underwriter today? > >Are YOU the customer, or the product to be sold??? > >-MB > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:11:06 -0700 (PDT) >From: clyde lofton >Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue > 65 >To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List >Message-ID: <20050825011106.34535.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >Tim wrote: > > > >>Clyde-do you suppose maybe you have heavy metals overload? >> >> > >THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY. > >BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT CHECKING TO SEE IF THAT MAY BE THE CASE; IF MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN (M.D.) IS UNWILLING TO HELP ME OUT ON CHECKING INTO THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO TURN TO FOR HELP. > >I am on AP therapy, > >WHAT IS A.P. ABBREVIATED FOR? > >turns out one of the benefits of the Macrolides family of antibiotics > >I'D LIKE TO CHECK INTO COLLOIDAL SILVER, TO FIND OUT IF THAT MAY BE OF SOME BENEFIT TO MYSELF, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS AS WELL. > >THE DOCTORS WERE CONTINUALLY DOING PULSE OX. TESTS ON ME, AND MY OXYGEN LEVEL ALWAYS CHECKED OUT GOOD; > >AND DRINKING LOT'S OF ANTI-OXIDANTS DOESN'T SEEM TO ALTER THE WAY THAT I FEEL, VERY MUCH. > >*I WONDER IF MY SYSTEM COULD BE FAR TOO ACIDIC, OR FAR TOO ALKALINE? > >DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW I CAN CHECK THOSE TWO THINGS? > >I'D LIKE TO BE CHEMICALLY NEUTRAL, IF POSSIBLE.* > >helps chelate out toxic metals as well as modulating cytochrome P450 metabolic pathway. > >MY CARDIOVASCULAR STRESS IS CONSTANTLY HIGH; COULD IT BE HARDENING, AND / OR DAMAGING MY VESSELS AND ARTERIES? > >THIS GOAL ORIENTED PERFECTIONISM OF MINE, HAS GONE TOO FAR, AND I AM PAYING FOR IT, WITH OVERWHELMING STRESS, HEALTH TROUBLES. > >I probably have a combined heme and methylation problem and perhaps pyroluric and celiac as well as a buncha' otha' crap wrong. > >Anyway-got my problems sorted out-but it took a lot of research and I had trouble with local m.d.'s (they were rather limited intellectually-and couldn't believe a patient had more research skills and better diagnostic insight than themselves > >YEAH; I'M FINDING OUT NOW HOW LIMITED THAT THE M.D.'S TRULY ARE, INTELLECTUALLY, SINCE MY LEARNING OF THE MAD-SCI FORUM, AND THROUGH MY CORRESPONDING WITH JOHN (JAVILK). > >-ego buster). Copper and any other metal is only important in TRACE amounts-however, > >I'VE STARTED TAKING NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMINS USUALLY EVERY DAY NOW, WITH AN OCCASIONAL VITAMIN B COMPLEX STRESS REDUCEMENT VITAMIN, ALONG WITH ZINC, ON OCCASION. > >I HAVE THE NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMIN BOX, HERE IN FRONT OF MYSELF, AND IT SHOWS THAT IT CONTAINS 2 mG'S OF COPPER (OXIDE) IN ITS MIXTURE; NEXT TO THAT, IT READS: 100%, UNDER THE %DV AMOUNT PER TABLET, AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMN. > >I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE (% OF) *DV* STANDS FOR. > >if you are slanted a certain way in your metabolic pathways, > >I AM NOW WONDERING IF THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP HAVE CAUSED PERMANENT IRREVERSIBLE HARM, TO MY CARDIOVASCULAR ARRANGEMENT. > >I THINK I AM HAVING DRUG INDUCED SLEEP APNEA NOW, AT NIGHT TIME, DURING SLEEP. > >I WAKE UP AT TIMES, FEELING AS THOUGH I'M GOING TO SUFFOCATE IN MY SLEEP, AND ALSO WAKE UP WITH NUMBNESS IN MY ARMS AND LEGS AT TIMES TOO, AND BAD ACHING PAINS IN MY CHEST, IN THE MORNINGS. > >what works for one person may store too easily in you-or you may not store ENOUGH, like others are able to. > >I NEED BETTER TESTS RUN ON MYSELF, TO DETERMINE EVERYTHING THAT COULD BE WRONG. > >THOSE TESTES AREN'T CHEAP THOUGH, FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, AND I AM NOT WEALTHY; SO I CANNOT AFFORD EXPENSIVE TESTS TO BE PERFORMED ON MYSELF. > >Either way you are in trouble if it goes on very long. > >IT HAS GONE ON FOR SO LONG NOW THAT I AM NEXT TO DEPERATE FOR ALTERNATIVES THAT WORK, FOR THE REDUCTION OF ALL OF THE OVERWHELMING STRESS THAT I FEEL. > >PEACE. > >OH, HOW I DESPERATELY NEED PEACE IN MY LIFE NOW. > >I found a website that I'd recommend as good for research information on metabolic pathways and supplements-it's called > >http://www.acu-cellresearch.com > >I'LL LOOK INTO IT. > >THANKS FOR SHARING THAT WEBSITE. > >If this link doesn't work I'll look it up and send it again. > >Clyde-do me a favor! Please do not cut and paste my stuff > >DO YOU MEAN BOTH CUT AND PASTE, WHILE ADDING CURSE WORDS TO IT, AT THE SAME TIME? ; > >OR ARE YOU ONLY WANTING ME TO EXCLUDE ANY CURSE WORDS? > >and then append your cursing to it, okay, > >Please! > >I just hate that- > >but I care about you-all right? > >ALRIGHT. > >Thanks, Lisa > > >SINCERELY; CLYDE > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/f50d50b6/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:03:52 -0700 (PDT) >From: clyde lofton >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: The customer/supplier/product > relationship >To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@MAD-SCIENTISTS.ORG >Message-ID: <20050825020352.14211.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >Michael Best wrote: >Any capitalist business requires three things: A supplier, a >product/service, and a customer for the product/service. > >A century ago, my great-grandfather, Dr. Benjamin W. Best, was a physician. >He supplied the service of medical care to his customers, the patients. >Seventy years ago, my grandfather, John H. Best, a pharmacist, provided >medicines to his customers, ailing patients. > >Notice the relationship- Supplier= physician or pharmacist, product= medical >care or medicine, customer= patient. > >Fast forward to the 21st century, where underwriters pay for medical care. >Now the relationship is: > >Supplier= Professional Associations of physicians, and multinational drug >companies > >PILL PUSHERS: (THE F'ING COMMERCIALISM OF PHARMACOLOGY.). > >OBSCENE KHEMICAL KOMPLEXES WITH STUPID COMMERCIALISM NAMES APPLIED TO THEM, AND OVERWHELMING AMOUNTS OF INCLUDED FINE PRINT, THAT THE AVERAGE CIVILIAN HAS NO TIME TO GO THROUGH, AND SORT OUT ALL OF THE SHIT. > >TELEVISION COMMERICIALISM IS SO DAMNED STUPID, PERTANING TO PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, AND THEIR COMMERCIALISM. > >I GET SO TIRED OF ALL OF THE STUPID TELEVISION COMMERCIALS OF DRUG ADDS / DRUG CAMPAINS. > >THE COMPLEX FINE PRINT WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS TO THE AVERAGE END USER, INCLUDED WITH PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. > >THE CADUCEUS CRAP PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX, AND THE DOCTORS THAT THEY OWN AND OPERATE, CONTINUE TO RAKE IN ALL OF THE MOUNTAINS OF INSURANCE INTRAFUCKTURE DOUGH, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT; NOW I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. > > >Customer, who pays the bills= insurance underwriters >PRODUCT= SICK PEOPLE! > > >DAMN STRAIGHT! > >EVEN THE CHIROPRACTOR HAS PERMANENTLY PUT MY SPINE OUT OF ALLIGNMENT, TOO, I THINK, TO WHERE I WILL NEED ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, OR UNTIL THE MEDICARE COVERAGE RUNS OUT, AND THEN I WILL BE SCREWED, WITH MAJOR BACK PAIN, AND BACK DISCOMFORT. > >I THINK MY SPINE WILL NEVER PERMANANTLY HEAL, BACK TO WHAT IT WAS LIKE, WHEN I WAS A NEWBORN BABY. > > >The entire paradigm of health care is bassackwards! > > >YES. > >AND THE EDUCATIONAL, AND THE FINANCIAL, AND THE INSURANCE INFRASTRUCTURES / INTRAFUCKTURES ARE ALL IN ON IT TOGETHER; YET IT GOES DEEPER THAN THAT. > >MILITARY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >FINANCIAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >POLITICAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >EDUCATIONAL KOMPLEX. > >BANKING KOMPLEX. > >AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >MINING INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >PLANT HARVESTING KOMPLEX. > >ELEKTRICAL ENERGY GENERATION AND DISTRIBUTION > >INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. > >SLAVE LABOR WORKERS UNIONS. > >ETC...... > >AND THERE IS MORE THAT I KNOW THAT I HAVE LEFT OUT, YET CANNOT THINK OF, AT THIS TIME. > > >The money is made not from fee-for-services of healing, but from insurance >payments, most notably the Socialist Medicare program. > >I FEEL LIKE THE PRESIDENTS: THE BUSHES AND THE CLINTON'S EQUALLY, AND MOST OF THE SO-CALLED LEADERSHIP NOW, ARE SOCIALISTS; THEY CARE NOTHING ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS EDUCATION SUCCESS; THEIR ONLY CONCERN IS OVERFLOWING THEIR POCKETS WITH DOUGH, BEFORE THEY ARE KICKED OUT OF OFFICE, AND HAVE NO CONCERN ABOUT EDUCATION TEACHING INDEPENDENT CAPITALISM, AND FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE FOR THE MASSES (WE THE PEOPLE.). > >F.D.R. STARTED SOCIAL SLAVERY SO-CALLED SECURITY; BUT HERBERT HOOVER, THE PRECEEDING PRESIDENT BEFORE ROOSEVELT, WAS BLAMED FOR THE DEPRESSION. > >SO WHEN WAS THE END OF CAPITALISM BEING TAUGHT, IN THE MAINSTREAM EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, IF IT WAS EVEN EVER TAUGHT AT ALL, IN THE MAINSTREAM EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, FOR THE FINANCIAL SUCCESS AND INDEPENDENCE FOR ALL SMALL BUSINESS ENTHUSIAST AMERICANS, EQUALLY? > >I'M CONFUSED AS HELL. > >THE FASCIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST FAILING PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL SHITSTEM, DOESN'T TEACH TO BE INDEPENDENT CAPITALISTS; IT TEACHES JOBS, WORKFORCE, AND IN THE END; SOCIAL SLAVERY SO-CALLED SECURITY. > >The driving force today, the profit incentive, is to make money from the underwriters by >selling the patient's illness to the insurers! > >The bottom line of medical business today is best served by keeping patients >ill; NOT curing their ailment. > >DAMN STRAIGHT! > > >And all this began when Medicare established "Reasonable and Customary >Charges!" How does it feel to be a piece of meat in the butcher's market? >That is ALL the patient is today! Simply a product to be sold to the >highest bidder. > >My great-grandfather delivered babies for three chickens, or a ham. I have >his old account book. What does that service cost the underwriter today? > >Are YOU the customer, or the product to be sold??? > >GOOD POINTS! > >BUT I'VE LOST MY MIND, AND DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO BACK TO DO ANY FURTHER REVISIONS TO THIS POSTING. > >CLYDE > > >-MB > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/18a9523d/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 04:47:47 +0000 (GMT) >From: javilk@mall-net.com >Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue > 65 >To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >Message-ID: <20050825044747.23716.qmail@mall-net.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > >>I'D LIKE TO CHECK INTO COLLOIDAL SILVER, TO FIND OUT IF THAT MAY BE OF >> >> >SOME BENEFIT TO MYSELF, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS AS WELL. > > Only if you have some kind of infection. Longer term use colloidal >silver produces a PERMANENTLY gray pallor. I've seen in in some older >folks who used colloidal silver before the antibiotics revolution of the >mid to late 50's. it does not look good! Maybe not quite "tin man", but >mildly disturbing to see. > > > >>THE DOCTORS WERE CONTINUALLY DOING PULSE OX. TESTS ON ME, AND MY >> >> >OXYGEN LEVEL ALWAYS CHECKED OUT GOOD; > > Why were they doing that? Do they realize that the Pulsox method >of sensing oxygen will not detect carbon monoxide poisoning? People >with carbon monoxide poisoning typically look a little reddish because >CO bound hemoglobin is as red or redder than oxygen bound hemoglobin. > > > >>*I WONDER IF MY SYSTEM COULD BE FAR TOO ACIDIC, OR FAR TOO ALKALINE? >>DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW I CAN CHECK THOSE TWO THINGS? >> >> > > Urine pH. You can get some pH strips; just get something which is a >little narrower in range, say 5.5 - 7, so that there is good color >separation between the bands. 5.2 - 7.8 isn't that bad; but it's easier >to tell the color change when the band is narrower. > > This will not tell you blood pH; but in a reasonably healthy >person, the kidneys adjust blood pH, so if your urine is alkaline, your >blood tends to be also. > > Sleep apnea is more common in people who have alkaline blood. >Acidity drives respiration. Raising blood acidity will make you breathe >deeper to adjust it. > > > >>I'D LIKE TO BE CHEMICALLY NEUTRAL, IF POSSIBLE.* >> >> > > Don't know if that is a good idea. > > > >>helps chelate out toxic metals as well as modulating cytochrome P450 metabolic pathway. >> >> > > I have chelation therapy with disodium EDTA periodically. It >helps. If this is a problem, one needs to make sure one is getting >enough salt, as those with porphyria tend to dump salts just before a >major attack. > > > >>MY CARDIOVASCULAR STRESS IS CONSTANTLY HIGH; COULD IT BE HARDENING, >> >> >AND / OR DAMAGING MY VESSELS AND ARTERIES? > > If you get enough vitamin C and magnesium, and can keep the blood >pressure down, it would be better. Garlic and onions will lower blood >pressure, but can get you fired from jobs where you have to deal with >the public. (Unless, maybe, you can deal with a good Italian >community.) > > > >>THIS GOAL ORIENTED PERFECTIONISM OF MINE, HAS GONE TOO FAR, AND I AM >> >> >PAYING FOR IT, WITH OVERWHELMING STRESS, HEALTH TROUBLES. > > Remember, it is more perfect to get things done, than to not get >them done. And many times, when you get the thing done, you see that >something else is needed, so the perfectionism delayed things and made >them more expensive. Most needs change. Perfectionism is often very >inflexible when it comes to meeting changing needs. > > > >>I probably have a combined heme and methylation problem and perhaps >>pyroluric and celiac as well as a buncha' otha' crap wrong. >> >> > > Every been tested for porphyria? > > > >>Anyway-got my problems sorted out-but it took a lot of research and I >>had trouble with local m.d.'s (they were rather limited >>intellectually-and couldn't believe a patient had more research skills >>and better diagnostic insight than themselves >> >> > > Yep. > > > > >>>I'VE STARTED TAKING NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMINS USUALLY EVERY >>> >>> >DAY NOW, WITH AN OCCASIONAL VITAMIN B COMPLEX STRESS REDUCEMENT VITAMIN, >ALONG WITH ZINC, ON OCCASION. > I HAVE THE NATURE MADE BRAND, >MULTIVITAMIN BOX, HERE IN FRONT OF MYSELF, AND IT SHOWS THAT IT CONTAINS >2 mG'S OF COPPER (OXIDE) IN ITS MIXTURE; NEXT TO THAT, IT READS: 100%, >UNDER THE %DV AMOUNT PER TABLET, AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMN. > I DO NOT >KNOW WHAT THE (% OF) *DV* STANDS FOR. > > Probably means Daily Value, as opposed to the FDA's RDA (Recommended >Daily Allowance), which is usually geared to an underweight sedentary >worker. > > > >>I AM NOW WONDERING IF THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP HAVE CAUSED >> >> >PERMANENT IRREVERSIBLE HARM, TO MY CARDIOVASCULAR ARRANGEMENT. > I THINK >I AM HAVING DRUG INDUCED SLEEP APNEA NOW, AT NIGHT TIME, DURING SLEEP. > >I WAKE UP AT TIMES, FEELING AS THOUGH I'M GOING TO SUFFOCATE IN MY >SLEEP, AND ALSO WAKE UP WITH NUMBNESS IN MY ARMS AND LEGS AT TIMES TOO, >AND BAD ACHING PAINS IN MY CHEST, IN THE MORNINGS. > > That almost sounds like carbon monoxide poisoning. It could also >be a pillow allergy, misalignment of the neck due to a bad pillow, and >some other things. > > > >>I NEED BETTER TESTS RUN ON MYSELF, TO DETERMINE EVERYTHING THAT COULD >> >> >BE WRONG. > THOSE TESTES AREN'T CHEAP THOUGH, FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, >AND I AM NOT WEALTHY; SO I CANNOT AFFORD EXPENSIVE TESTS TO BE PERFORMED >ON MYSELF. > > That is a problem. Some things you can test yourself. Typing >speed or speed in tapping some pattern as if on a musical instrument can >be a window onto neurological function. > > Even if you don't find ways of proving or disproving specific >hypotheses, you can run tests of performance, such as finger >coordination, lung volume, or maybe how many pushups or pullups you can >do, and try to correlate them to foods, medicines, and where you are. > > For example, if you can get some means of measuring lung volume or >breath strength, you can see if you do better in the morning, before >going to work, later in the day at work, mid evening at home, and just >before bed time. This should give you a clue about exposures and >allergens. If the morning is bad, then bed and pillow, or laundry >detergents become suspect. (You are not using fabric softener, are you? >Number one suspect in night time problems is fabric softener and >detergent. And then gas appliances and ventilation.) > > > > >>IT HAS GONE ON FOR SO LONG NOW THAT I AM NEXT TO DEPERATE FOR >> >> >ALTERNATIVES THAT WORK, FOR THE REDUCTION OF ALL OF THE OVERWHELMING >STRESS THAT I FEEL. > PEACE. > OH, HOW I DESPERATELY NEED PEACE IN MY >LIFE NOW. > > When we find and eliminate what is triggering your adrenals, your >whole sense of what is going on will change for the better. > >http://www.acu-cellresearch.com > > Not a working site. Tried both acu and accu. Do you mean >http://www.acu-cell.com perchance? > > > >>>Clyde-do me a favor! Please do not cut and paste my >>> >>> >stuff > >DO YOU MEAN BOTH CUT AND PASTE, WHILE ADDING CURSE WORDS TO >IT, AT THE SAME TIME? >OR ARE YOU ONLY WANTING ME TO EXCLUDE ANY >CURSE WORDS? > > Hi John: I understand that,about acepted protocol,and I care about Clyde-I just don't want my stuff to look like it's a bunch of cursing! You got the address right ON the nutrition webpage-sorry about that-it was from memory HA! SO, Attention please, EVERYONE: Please note John got the acu-cell thing right! Pay no attention to the woman behind the Curtain (Wizard of OZ reference). Lisa > > It is well accepted internet protocol to edit out sections of the >previous reply which are no longer relevant to the discussion. > > Curse words and diatribes, we can all do without. They basically >show that you are up against the wall and no longer thinking clearly. >We know that already from the capitalization. But sometimes that IS >life, and we rooting for you, hoping you'll get better and feel more >comfortable with your life to the point where you can see beyond the >diatribes and stereotypes. Meanwhile, you are telling us that you are >alive! And we do want to hear that. > >-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) >CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. >Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. >My opinions are subject to the availability of information. >I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. > >For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices >orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. >Today's Art Photo > Chem / Fungus allergies > Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. > Arthritis >Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. >Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Mad-Scientists mailing list >Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > >End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 67 >********************************************** > > > From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 27 10:42:25 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 27 10:42:30 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Picture of a Chain Smoker (Humor) In-Reply-To: <20050827054936.37337.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050827174225.35764.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: Picture of a Chain Smoker. Maybe it won't make you look that bad, buy why risk it? http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-08/27/content_3409751.htm THAT IS PRETTY FUNNY! CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050827/88f9d4d4/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 27 11:07:56 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 27 11:08:14 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 67 In-Reply-To: <43108EE6.8050706@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20050827180756.23225.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> >AND I AM NOT WEALTHY; SO I CANNOT AFFORD EXPENSIVE TESTS TO BE PERFORMED >ON MYSELF. > > That is a problem. Some things you can test yourself. Typing >speed or speed in tapping some pattern as if on a musical instrument can >be a window onto neurological function. YEAH; I AM GOOD AT PERCUSSION. I'D OWN MY OWN D.W. (DRUM WORKSHOP) ACOUSTIC DRUM KIT, IF I COULD AFFORD IT. > Even if you don't find ways of proving or disproving specific >hypotheses, you can run tests of performance, such as finger >coordination, lung volume, or maybe how many pushups or pullups you can >do, and try to correlate them to foods, medicines, and where you are. > > For example, if you can get some means of measuring lung volume or >breath strength, you can see if you do better in the morning, before >going to work, later in the day at work, mid evening at home, and just >before bed time. This should give you a clue about exposures and >allergens. If the morning is bad, then bed and pillow, or laundry >detergents become suspect. (You are not using fabric softener, are you? YEAH; I USE FABRIC SOFTENERS FOR MY CLOTHES. >Number one suspect in night time problems is fabric softener and >detergent. And then gas appliances and ventilation.) IF I COULD AFFORD IT, I'D PURACHASE ONE OF THOSE PORTABLE CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTERS, FROM >>IT HAS GONE ON FOR SO LONG NOW THAT I AM NEXT TO DEPERATE FOR ALTERNATIVES THAT WORK, FOR THE REDUCTION OF ALL OF THE OVERWHELMING >STRESS THAT I FEEL. > PEACE. > OH, HOW I DESPERATELY NEED PEACE IN MY >LIFE NOW. > > When we find and eliminate what is triggering your adrenals, your >whole sense of what is going on will change for the better. I'D LIKE TO CHECK FOR CARBON MONOXIDE, BUT CANNOT AFFORD ONE OF THOSE DETECTORS. http://www.acu-cell.com THANKS FOR SHARING THIS SITE. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050827/1b9d71a7/attachment-0001.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 27 11:21:39 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 27 11:21:43 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 67 In-Reply-To: <20050827180756.23225.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 27, 2005 11:07:56 AM Message-ID: <20050827182139.22330.qmail@mall-net.com> > > Even if you don't find ways of proving or disproving specific > >hypotheses, you can run tests of performance, such as finger > >coordination, lung volume, or maybe how many pushups or pullups you can > >do, and try to correlate them to foods, medicines, and where you are. > > > > For example, if you can get some means of measuring lung volume or > >breath strength, you can see if you do better in the morning, before > >going to work, later in the day at work, mid evening at home, and just > >before bed time. This should give you a clue about exposures and > >allergens. If the morning is bad, then bed and pillow, or laundry > >detergents become suspect. (You are not using fabric softener, are you? > > YEAH; I USE FABRIC SOFTENERS FOR MY CLOTHES. Get rid of the fabric softeners!!! Gads, they are a major, major toxin for anyone with any kind of detox pathway problems! > >Number one suspect in night time problems is fabric softener and > >detergent. And then gas appliances and ventilation.) > IF I COULD AFFORD IT, I'D PURACHASE ONE OF THOSE PORTABLE CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTERS, FROM AAAbout $100. The UL approved ones are not useful, as they don't alarm at under 100ppm. > > When we find and eliminate what is triggering your adrenals, your > >whole sense of what is going on will change for the better. > > I'D LIKE TO CHECK FOR CARBON MONOXIDE, BUT CANNOT AFFORD ONE OF THOSE DETECTORS. First, get rid of the fabric softeners. Then change your brand of laundry detergent to something you can get at a health food store, like evo-ver, or something else that is not loaded with brighteners whiteners and carcinongens. HUGE difference! (Maybe not for you... but for many with allergies.) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Aug 27 12:07:26 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 27 12:07:38 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. Message-ID: <46.6fca449b.304213ee@aol.com> In a message dated 8/26/2005 5:34:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: I JUST WANT TO BE INDEPENDENT, SUCCESSFUL, AT PEACE WITH MYSELF AT PEACE WITH LIFE, AND TO BE FREE. THAT IS WHAT I THINK BEING AN AMERICAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE, AND TO FEEL LIKE. Hi Clyde, I kind of wonder in what way YOU feel YOU are not independent. Are YOU in a wheelchair ? YOU don't have one of those ankle bracelets the courts place on people to keep an eye on them, do YOU? Is there someone in YOUR life who insists on running or managing every minute of YOUR day ? As an adult, YOU should be able to eat YOUR dessert before the main meal if YOU choose to If YOU don't want to brush YOUR teeth before bed, who is to complain? YOU say you were born in 1974, as a 31 year old humane, look at all the fun YOU can have on days off from work. Get out of bed when YOU want. Breakfast, YOUR choice. None, candy bar, cereal, toast and juice. YOU decide. YOU bought a bike awhile back, do YOU want to ride it or do something else ? John suggests YOU try photography. have YOU? ( Some things turn out weird, I got this wild hair up my butt and decided to try black and white photography. I had a cheap 35mm and decided to give it a try, (this was 8 years ago) I asked my mom, not a bimbo just confused, to pick up some film for me. She somehow managed to get me black and white SUPPER fast film. Didn't know they made it that fast. What am I going to do with this film, hide in the woods waiting for a bear to amble past at midnight ? Couple weeks later I was in the next city, 5 miles away from home, big place, 30 thousand people. Lots of interesting people live there, artsie fartsie folk. It was afternoon and I was enthralled with the hair colors, pierced bodies, tattoos, the Goth culture. These were not kids these were young adults. BINGO, That night I was sitting on the steps of the church in the town square at 1 A.M. when the bars closed taking pictures of the Creatures of the night. WOW !!!!!! No problem since they did not know they were being photographed since I didn't need a flash with the film Mom got me.) Do YOU want to be independent or is it the freedom of not having to be responsible that YOU crave? Please don't forget that when a person is not responsible for anything, they also are seen by others as having no rights. YOU mentioned YOUR youth and the trials YOU faced then. Children and the aged have little to be responsible for, so they become pray for the vultures in society. SUCCESS What is success ? We all have dozens of successes every day at whatever it is we wish to do. At the end of the week when I am handed my pay check, I feel the week was a success, after all I managed to travel to and home from work without getting killed in traffic. No one gave me a hard time all week, got bills paid, perhaps I found something I had lost some time ago, or, received a call from an old and forgotten friend. When I receive a raise I do my best to be happy with what ever I get and not spoil it by wanting more. To me success is being content with what I have, yet working my fanny off because nothing stays the same, life changes in the blink of an eye. PEACE To be at peace with yourself and your life, you must like yourself. Accept who you are, try to improve yourself bit by bit. One must also accept others for what they are and not try to change them. When you can act on your knowledge of others as they are, you will avoid heartache. You have a friend that you know has a problem with stealing things. Don't expect them to honor your stuff. Be oh so careful who you hang out with. If you have to live 5 years with out any friends, do so until you meet an honest person. FREEDOM OHHHHHHH Clyde, how can anyone get any freer then you are now ????? YOU live in AMERICA Clyde, what do YOU want, an egg in your beer???? regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050827/d7277778/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 27 14:08:23 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 27 14:08:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 67 In-Reply-To: <20050827182139.22330.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Aug 27, 2005 06:21:39 PM Message-ID: <20050827210823.7830.qmail@mall-net.com> > > YEAH; I USE FABRIC SOFTENERS FOR MY CLOTHES. > > Get rid of the fabric softeners!!! Gads, they are a major, major > toxin for anyone with any kind of detox pathway problems! > > I'D LIKE TO CHECK FOR CARBON MONOXIDE, BUT CANNOT AFFORD ONE OF THOSE DETECTORS. > > First, get rid of the fabric softeners. Then change your brand of > laundry detergent to something you can get at a health food store, like Try Dr. Bonner's plain castile soap for your laundry. A little bit of religfious nut case on the label.... but the soap is not that bad. Thenn see how you feel after all your clothes, bed sheets, mattress pad, etc. have been washed in it. May take three days to a week to see the difference if that was one of your triggers. > evo-ver, or something else that is not loaded with brighteners whiteners > and carcinongens. HUGE difference! (Maybe not for you... but for many > with allergies.) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 27 16:07:03 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 27 16:07:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS. In-Reply-To: <20050825053057.42498.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050827230703.60240.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> < CLYDELOFTON@YAHOO.COM > WROTE: < JAVILK@MALL-NET.COM > WROTE: > WHAT I MEAN IS THAT VITAMINS AND MECHANICAL RESONANT THERAPIES SHOULD BE MADE INTO ABSOLUTE STANDARDS, AND SANITATION SHOULD BE MADE INTO AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT STANDARD AS WELL, TO THE POINT OF FASCIST CONTROL, IF THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES FOR THAT TO SUCCEED. No way! People need to be free to choose what fits their needs. And if they are stupid enough to do dumb things despite readily available information, well... that's freedom. I for one oppose seatbelt and helmet laws. If you are that stupid, you have a right to die. But if you are in my car, and you don't fasten your seatbelt, I am not going to take you anywhere! Freedom is the right to choose what you do, even if it may harm you. WELL, I BELIEVE PEOPLE SHOULD AT LEAST BE WELL INFORMED, EVEN *OVERLY WELL INFORMED* TO THE POINT OF ANNOYANCE, PERTAINING TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF VITAMINS, PERTAINING TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF MECHANICAL RESONANCE THERAPY TECHNOLOGIES, AND ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE OF PERFECT SANITATION STANDARDS, ETC, IF THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES, FOR A MUCH BETTER SOCIETY FOR ALL OF US TO LIVE IN, EQUALLY. > I NEED THERAPY RIGHT NOW, AND SO DO SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE, WHO ARE BEING DENIED IT, AND WHO ARE BEING DEPRIVED OF IT, SOLELY AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FUCKING WEALTHY ELITE. > I NEED THERAPY TO BE CONTINUOUS, AND NOT ONLY INTERMITTENT. I think what you need, is the RIGHT therapy, not continuous therapy. YEAH; IF IT WEREN'T SO GOD DAMNED EXPENSIVE FOR ME, AT THIS TIME IN MY LIFE! The right therapy will cure you. Or more likely, figuring out what is really wrong can enable YOU to cure yourself. It's that maddening set of symptoms. If they are allergenic or a nutritional imbalance, then simply doing the right things will result in your symptoms going away to a fair extent. > AND HEALTHCARE IS FALLING FAR SHORT OF WHERE IT SHOULD BE; AND OF WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE, FOR US ALL, EQUALLY. We die. As long as we die, healthcare is falling short. So we ain't there yet. But we're making progress. What we really need to do, is to study whale DNA to see why they can live 260 years, and we can't. YEAH; I AGREE WHOLE HEARTEDLY WITH THAT. TO STUDY BOTH WHALE D.N.A. AND STARFISH D.N.A., BOTH, EQUALLY, WITH AN HONEST STUDY, FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES OF STUDY. > CHEMISTRY IS ONLY ENDLESS CYCLES OF CLOAKING THE PAIN AND SUFFERING. Yep. To cure, you need to know what is really wrong, what is causing all the symptoms. Modern allopathic medicine only cares about symptoms, not cures. I AM GODDAMNED SICK AND TIRED OF THE CLOAK OF CHEMISTRY. I NEED MY OWN PRIVATELY OWNED, INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE, AND I NEED TO GET THE ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT PROJECT FINISHED. THOSE ARE PHYSICS. THEY ARE NOT CHEMISTRY. PHYSICS OFFERS WHOLISTIC ABSOLUTIONS. CHEMISTRY DOES NOT. ANTIMONEY IS PREVENTING ME FROM OWNING MY OWN INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE, AND ANTIMONEY IS ALSO PREVENTING ME FROM GETTING THE LAST AMOUNT OF SILICONE R.T.V. THAT I NEED, TO HOLD THE MAGNET WIRE SECURE TO THE P.V.C. COIL FORMER-HELMET. GROSS OVERKILL IS RIGHT, LIKE YOU SAID IN ANOTHER POSTING; BUT MY PERFECTIONISM WANTS A PROJECT THAT HAS ABSOLUTE INTEGRITY IN ITS WORKMANSHIP. NO ROOM FOR MISTAKES FOR ME! IT HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. I still think you need to be tested for porphyria and pyroluria. PORPHYRIA, AND: PYROLURIA. THE NEXT TIME THAT I GO TO MY M.D. PHYSICIAN, I WILL ASK TO HAVE A TEST DONE, FOR BOTH OF THOSE. I WAS INFORMED THAT MY DAD WAS BEING TREATED FOR A SKIN PROBLEM, BEFORE HE DIED OF HIS HEART ATTACK IN 99' ; I WASN'T TOLD WHAT THE NAME OF THAT SKIN PROBLEM WAS THOUGH, OR IF I WAS TOLD OF IT BACK IN 99' , IT WAS OF NO IMPORTANCE AND CONCERN TO ME AT THAT TIME IN MY LIFE, WHEN HE DIED. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF YOU MENTIONED IN THE PAST, IF PORPHYRIA AND HEART ATTACKS ARE LINKED,,, OR IF THEY CAN BE LINKED? I DO REMEMBER THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE PORPHYRIA HAVE ALCOHOLIC, AND ABUSIVE MENTAL (ENVIRONMENTAL) ILLNESS PERSONALITIES. And need to get a GOOD carbon monoxide detector, NOT one of the UL approved pieces of junk! UL approval means they WILL NOT detect down to the 10ppm range which harms many people. See http://www.aeromedix.com WHAT I FORGOT AND LEFT OUT OF THE LAST SENT E-MAIL WAS: IS THE AEROMEDIX CO EXPERTS 2004 PORTABLE CO DETECTOR THE VERY BEST ONE AVAILABLE, FOR AS LITTLE MONEY INVESTMENT AS IS POSSIBLE? :::::::::::::::: http://www.aeromedix.com/?_siteid=aeromedix&_sessid=52b3dafb3b8be65295e30803b6fbac01&action=sku&sku=coex IT SAYS ON THAT WEBPAGE, THAT THE RANGE OF DETECTION IS FROM 10 PARTS PER MILLION, TO 70 PARTS PER MILLION. > THE GLOBALIZATION OF VITAMIN CONTROL, WILL NOT BE OF BENEFIT TO ANYONE. > THIS COUNTRY NEEDS A HEALTHCARE REVOLUTION. > THIS COUNTRY NEEDS OTHER REVOLUTIONS, EQUALLY AS WELL. Revolutions tend to leave too many casualties. More doctors committed suicide as a result of the cure of tuberculosis, which put many clinics and doctors out of business; than stockbrokers did during the start of the Great Depression. Evolutions are better, gentler, and more satisfying to all concerned. And, because they are more gradual, as we learn, we get to do better. Revolutions are basically one-shot deals in which another class of people take control and, well, screw everyone else. SO THEN YOU THINK THAT WE ALL NEED A HEALTHCARE EVOLUTION THEN???????? I'M ALL FOR THAT! NOW LET'S GET IT GOING IN FAST FORWARD MOTION, PRONTO; I DON'T LIKE SUFFERING, AND I WANT TO HELP OTHERS OUT TOO, AND EASE THEIR SUFFERING(S) EQUALLY AS WELL. HOW ABOUT A HEALTHCARE CREATIOLUTION?????????? THE WAR MACHINE NEEDS TO TURN INTO THE THERAPY MACHINE, EQUAL FOR ALL; EQUAL FOR EVERYONE, EQUALLY! A PERPETUAL THERAPY MACHINE, MASS PRODUCED AT WORLD WAR TWO WAR MACHINE SPEED; EQUAL FOR EVERYONE! CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050827/9d3636c9/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 27 19:04:19 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 27 19:04:49 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. In-Reply-To: <46.6fca449b.304213ee@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050828020420.1734.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> YOU bought a bike a while back, do YOU want to ride it or do something else ? I'D RATHER HAVE MY OWN MICRO SPACESHIP; LEAVE THIS CURSED DISEASE WORLD IN PERFECT PEACE, FOREVER, NEVER TO RETURN EVER AGAIN; EVEN IF IT ONLY MEANS GOING INTO LOW EARTH ORBIT, JUST TO WITNESS THE BEAUTY OF A PLANET FROM OUTER SPACE, AND WHEN THE OXYGEN RUNS LOW, INGESTING A CYANIDE TABLET, AND THEN DYING A NEARLY QUICK DEATH. I'LL REPLY MORE LATER. CLYDE regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050827/f3c82d75/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 27 19:24:10 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 27 19:24:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY, PART ONE: MONEY. In-Reply-To: <20050826223034.29667.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050828022410.5327.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> REPLY, PART ONE: javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > I am not so sure that I would like to be there. > > I WOULD. > > Sure, I love the future! But... what's the challenge in life when > you just hit the replicator or holodeck for what you want??? > > > IT IS MY WILL TO GO INTO SPACE, TO BE AT PEACE THERE, AND TO DIE THERE, UNLESS I MANAGE TO SOMEHOW FIND A WAYS AND MEANS OF PERPETUAL MOTION, REJUVENATION TECHNOLOGIES, AND ETERNAL LIFE, TO KEEP ME GOING AND EXPLORING, AND ADVENTUROUS, AND DIE A PERFECTLY PEACEFUL AND FEELINGLESS DEATH. You miss the point of what I write. WELL YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THERE NOT BEING MUCH FUN TO THE PRODUCTION OF THINGS-JUST USING THE REPLICATORS AND THE HOLODECK. IT'S GOOD TO CREATE THINGS WITH OUR HANDS TOO. > Life is an art. Have you seen art where the artist threw in too > many colors? How does that contrast with art where the artist barely > used any colors? > > Too much of anything isn't good. YEAH. > Remember the episode where Data revived some old bodies frozen in a > capsule? > > YEAH; THAT WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE EPISODES! > THE SPACE(JUNK) CRYOGENIC FREEZER SPACE CAPSULE; LOST IN SPACE. > The Industrialist was at a loss. > THE ONLY ONE OF THE SURVIVORS THAT I REMEMBER, SINCE IT HAS BEEN SUCH A LONG TIME SINCE I SAW THAT EPISODE, IS THAT HICK OLD MAN, WHO WAS > DEMANDING OF WANTING TO GO HOME. Well, he was the smartest, and most flexible of the group. You had a hick country singer, SO THE HICK OLD MAN WAS A COUNTRY SINGER. I COULDN'T REMEMBER THAT, SINCE IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE I WATCHED THAT EPISODE.. a mother-housewife, I DO REMEMBER THERE BEING A LADY. and the industrialist. BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THAT INDUSTRIALIST. I'D REALLY LIKE TO WATCH THAT EPISODE AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH I'VE NEVER REALLY CONSIDERED MYSELF TO BE A TREKKIE, I DO LIKE SPECIFIC STAR TREK PRODUCTIONS OF THE PAST, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PRESENT; INCLUDING THE ENTERPRISE SERIES THAT WAS DISCONTINUED DUE TO ALL OF THE PRESENT NEOCON POLITICAL BULLSHIT, AND WORLD WAR THREE. IS WORLD WAR THREE UP NEXT? RIKER TALKS ABOUT THE RESIDUAL NUCLEAR RADIATION BEING IN EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE, REMAINING FROM WORLD WAR THREE, IN STAR TREK FIRST CONTACT, TOWARD THE BEGINNING OF THE MOVIE, RIGHT AFTER THEY FOLLOW THE BORG SPHERE SHIP THROUGH THE TEMPORAL WAKE OF THE TIMEHOLE, INTO EARTH'S PAST, WHILE THEY'RE IN ORBIT OVER MONTANA. FIRST CONTACT WAS, AND STILL IS, MY FAVORITE STAR TREK PRODUCTION OF THEM ALL. Of those, only the industrialist wasn't lost for long. IF I WAS THE INDUSTRIALIST, I'D BE THRILLED TO BE ABOARD A SPACESHIP OF THE FUTURE, AND THRILLED AT SUCH AN AWESOME DESIGNED SPASESHIP AS THE ENTERPRISE D! I ALWAYS LIKED THE AERODYNAMIC STYLING DESIGN, OF THE ENTERPRISE D. ALTHOUGH I ALSO LIKE THE SILVER-PLATINUM METALLIC LOOK OF THE NX-01 ENTERPRISE TOO, AS WELL AS ITS DESIGN, AS COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL TELEVISION SERIES AND MOVIES ORIGINAL DESIGNS. Yes, he was lost in the beginning. The others just blindly accepted that they were lost in time. He sought to find out what was going on, YEAH; I'D PROBABLY DO THE SAME THING TOO; (TO TRY TO FIND OUT ALL OF THE TECHNICAL ADVANCEMENTS OF THAT TIME PERIOD THAT I COULD LEARN, AND LEARN ABOUT THE STARSHIP, AND ABOUT THE DETAILS OF ITS DESIGN ENGINEERING AS WELL, AND THE DESIGN OF THE SHIP'S HULL, THE SHIP'S HULL DESIGN, AND THE SHIP'S HULL STRENGTH, ETC..). and regain what he could of his role in the corporate world. ALTHOUGH THERE'S NO CORPORATE WORLD IN THE 24TH CENTURY; (AT LEAST I DON'T REMEMBER IF THERE IS; UNLESS THE FEDERATION OF PLANETS IS CONSIDERED TO BE A CORPORATE 'WORLD' THING). And I might add, he is the one who broke the Feringi stalemate when he told the captain the Feringi didn't know what was going on either. That guy already was what Piccard spoke of, being whom you could be. WHOM I COULD BE? IF YOU ARE REFERRING TO ME; *I WOULD* LIKE TO BE PUT INTO A CRYOGENIC STORAGE, AND REMAIN FROZEN UNTIL THE 24TH CENTURY. THAT WOULD BE F'IN' AWESOME! Compared to him, the others were just drifting. Worse, were used to drifting all their lives. > Many of the industrialists actually want to sell their products as > cheaply as they can, to get more market share. They know they have to > please people with their products to sell more. > > YEAH WELL I DON'T WANT MY TALKING CLOCKS MANUFACTURED IN A TURD WORLD COUNTRY, IF I CAN SOMEHOW MAKE THE PROJECT INTO A SUCCESS; I WANT THE CLOCKS MANUFACTURED HERE IN THE U.S., IN GERMANY, OR IN JAPAN ONLY. There, you are trying to manufacture something for yourself, not for the market. You are trying to build a company for yourself, not for your consumers. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT CHINESE-ISM CONSUMERISM AT ALL, ANYMORE. I HATE IT. If you do not deliver what the consumer wants, he won't buy it. That's the bottom line. I ACTUALLY WANT THE TALKING CLOCK MARKETED TO THE BROADCAST AND AMATEUR RADIO REPEATER OWNER COMMUNITIES, PERHAPS ALSO TO THE MILITARY AS WELL, BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN OF THAT. I HATE CHEAP, WORTHLESS, ONE YEAR WARRANTIED, CHINESE WORTHLESS SHIT! AS SOON AS ALL CHINESE CRAP GOES OFF OF THE ASSEMBLY LINES, IT MIGHT AS WELL BE SHIPPED STRAIGHT TO THE DUMP, AND BE PUT SIX FEET UNDER, OR BETTER YET: DEEPER UNDER. IT WAS SUGGESTED TO ME TO SELL TO THE BLIND COMMUNITY; THAT THEY'D BE MY #1 MARKET, BUT IF IT MEANS CHEAP, WORTHLESS, ONE YEAR WARRANTIED, ANTI-MODULAR, UNRACKMOUNTABLE, UNPROFESSIONAL, UNQUALITY, IRREPAIRABLE-UNFIXABLE, CHINESE, OR OTHER TURD WORLD COUNTRY CRAP, I REJECT GOING THAT ROUTE. FUCK CHINA. > Piccard's response was that the challenge was to see whom you could > be. I KNOW WHAT MY WILL IS TO BE. STRESS OVERLOAD THOUGH, IN THIS COUNTRY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ECONOMICALLY FREE, IS NOT WHAT I CONSIDER AS INDEPENDENCE AND FREEDOM, TRYING TO CREATE THE BEST TALKING CLOCK EVER MADE, APART FROM THE OMNICRON TCC-14 TALKING CLOCK CALENDAR UNIT, AND THE CUSTOM TALKING CLOCK BUILT FOR W.W.V., BY DATACHRON INC., FOR THE PROFESSIONAL / COMMERCIAL / INDUSTRIAL AND MILITARY MARKETS. > Most people never bother. I can imagine the replicator slums of > 2100, gaudy to the extreme, people hating each other because they never > learned to cooperate, living our their fantasies without rhyme or > reason. Much like the Greek Gods with magnificent abilities, and > emotional maturity of five year olds! > > Will it be that way? In the replicator slums, likely so. > > Then there will be the upscale neighborhoods, elegance, minimalism, > esthetics. > > IN THE COUNTRY IN THE FAR FUTURE; A HIGH TECH FUTURE COWBOY; NOW THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL LIFESTYLE FOR ME. Yes, I envisioned myself mobile with an Airstream Trailer. AIRSTREAM TRAILOR? THOSE ROUNDED EDGED ALUMINUM TRAILORS? WHAT I MEANT BY LIVING HIGH TECH-ADVANCED TECH, IN THE COUNTRY, IS BY HAVING LAND THAT I OWN, AND HAVING A PERFECT GEODOME HOME ON THAT LAND, WITH THE BEST TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE FROM THE PAST, AVAILABLE FROM THE PRESENT, AND AVAILABLE FROM THE FUTURE, AND A 900 M.P.H. MOLLER SKYCAR (OR EQUIVALENT), TO GET ME BACK AND FORTH, BETWEEN COUNTRY AND CITY, EFFICIENTLY AND FAST. But that is not the way life works. Life works via connections. It's whom you know and who trusts you that is important. I WANT TO BE A HIGH TECH HERMIT IN THE COUNTRY; WITH THE TECHNICAL BEST OF BOTH WORLDS: THE CITY AND THE COUNTRY, AS WELL AS WITH CONNECTIONS; SATELLITE TELEPHONE, SATELLITE INTERNET, SATELLITE T.V. AND RADIO, AND A REDUNDANT MICRO TURBINE POWER MEM POWER PLANT, ETC. How many people do you meet out in the hicks? How many would ask you to I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT OTHERS OUT IN THE STICKS ASKING ME TO DO ANYTHING IMPORTANT. do anything important? YES; GARGANTAUAN VAN DE GRAFF GENERATORS AND GARGANTUAN SIZED TESLA COILS, TO LIGHT UP THE NIGHT SKY WITH BILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF VOLTS OF MANMADE LIGHTNING EXPERIMENTS, BEYOND WHAT FARADAY AND TESLA DID, IN HISTORY'S PAST. It comes back to how you build your status within any group of people. I DON'T LIKE DEALING WITH PEOPLE MUCH, IF AT ALL ANYMORE. Here in America, a lot of it, not all, but a lot of it is based on what you do and how much you are given for what you do. I'VE GOTTA MAKE A CHART OF MY GOALS, TO HANG ON THE WALL: 1. ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT. 2. NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWER GROWING. 3. INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY. 4. TALKING CLOCK PROJECT. THIS, HOWEVER, IS FAR FROM BEING A COMPLETE LIST OF EVERY GOAL. To get opportunities, you have to volunteer to help others. I'VE NEEDED TO GET MEMBERSHIP IN THE TULSA REPEATER ORGANIZATION, FOR A HELL OF A LONG DAMNED TIME NOW. MAYBE THEY COULD HELP ME ALONG IN THE COMPLETION OF A QUALITY PROFESSIONAL TALKING CLOCK UNIT; ONE THAT IS NOT CHEAP CHINESE ONE YEAR WARRANTED WORTHLESS CRAP. RADIO AMATEURS CAN BECOME MEMBERS, EVEN IF THEY DO NOT OWN A REPEATER, OR REPEATERS. The astute seek to volunteer where they will get more opportunities than where they would get less. I HAVE ALSO WANTED MEMBERSHIP IN THE TULSA AMATEUR RADIO CLUB FOR A LONG TIME NOW TOO. ANTIMONEY IS AN ENDLESS IMPEDENCE TO IT THOUGH. Volunteering is a way of networking. But... to do that effectively, you need to look for who else is volunteering, where they work, etc. I GUESS WHAT THAT MEANS, IS THAT THE TULSA REPEATER ORGANIZATION IS A DAMN GOOD STARTING PLACE FOR ME. And then, you have to show yourself as responsible and willing to go beyond the call of duty when the need arises. You have to make your abilities noticed, while being friendly enough that others want you on their team. I HAVE LOST MOST OF MY OUTGOING FRIENDLINESS, DUE TO ANTISEXUAL AND ANTISOCIAL MADNESS. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050827/8caf9873/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 27 19:27:10 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 27 19:27:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY, PART TWO: MONEY. In-Reply-To: <20050826223034.29667.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050828022710.10179.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> REPLY, PART TWO: javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > Culture! The sense that culture is more important than the > individual; the senses that service to the society is the highest > achievement, no matter whether it be inventions of us mad scientists, IN MY CASE; AN ENTIRELY AUTOMATED, SMALL PUBLIC SERVICE, LOW POWER F.M., TIME, TEMPERATURE, HUMIDITY, BAROMETRIC PRESSURE, AND WEATHER REPORT BROADCAST STATION. MY INSPIRATIONS: W.W.V. AND NOAA WEATHER RADIO. BUT I CANNOT MAKE MONEY AT THAT PROJECT THOUGH. IT IS A MONEY SINK. IT WOULD ONLY QUALIFY AS AN EXPERIMENTAL PROJECT ONLY. > the explorations of Piccard and crew, or the creation of art and > architecture. > WELL I CAN PICTURE MY OWN MICRO SPACESHIP, RIGHT THERE, NEXT TO THE ENTERPRISE D, ENJOYING THAT AWESOME VIEW OF LOOKING DOWN > UPON THE EARTH, FROM SPACE. But can you see the path to get there? YES I CAN, YET I CANNOT SEE LIMITLESS MONEYMAKING, IN LIMITLESS LARGE LUMP SUMS, TO HELP TO GET ME THERE, WITH A PERFECT AND COMPLETE, LIFE SUSTAINING MICRO SHIP. What can you do, today, to move yourself along that path? VERY LITTLE, I THINK. IF THERE IS A GOD; AN ULTIMATE DEITY; I THINK HE HATES MY GUTS; IF HE EXISTS. I FEEL LIKE BLASTING ALL OF THE F'ING GODS OF ANTIQUITY, FROM THE PAST AND THE PRESENT, WITH MASSIVE NUCLEAR FORCE, AND WITH MASSIVE ANTINUCLEAR SONIC ENERGY TOO; BECAUSE I CANNOT WIN; INDEFINATELY. > (Obviously, I vote for us mad scientists. WE, not the artists, nor > politicians, have advanced the state of humanity since time immemorial.) > YEAH; HOW IN THE HELL CAN I GET MY FUTURISTIC TALKING CLOCK, TO BE A QUALITY MASS PRODUCTION SUCCESS? The problem, Clyde, is that your project is not futuristic. HORSEMANURE! THE ENTERPRISE NX-01 IS FUTURISTIC, EVEN TO THE ENTERPRISE D. A LOT OF THE COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY ABOARD THE NX-01 ENTERPRISE WAS MUCH HIGHER TECH, AND MORE IMPRESSIVE LOOKING, THAN THAT OF WHAT WAS ABOARD THE ENTERPRISE D, AND THE ENTERPRISE D WAS FROM THE 24TH CENTURY. Talking clocks exist. $27 from Seiko, under $5 from China, and many other prices. FUCK CHINA; AND FUCK $5.00 FOR A CHINESE GARBAGE TALKING CLOCK, WHICH IS IRREPAIRABLE WHEN SOMETHING THAT IS PART OF ITS SHODDY SHIT FAILS; IT THEN, JUST BECOMES EVEN MORE WORTHLESS TRASH THAN IT WAS, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PURCHASED. FUCK CHINA. I WANT A TALKING CLOCK THAT WILL BE WORTHY OF MUSEUM STORAGE, AND MUSEUM DISPLAY, IN THE FUTURE. Why should someone buy your clock at $100, when they can have a beautiful talking clock from Seiko I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I THINK THAT SEIKO PRODUCTS ARE WORTHLESS CHINESE EXPORTS NOW TOO. for under $30? Or the one in http://www.mitechtrading.com/talking-lcd-desk-clock-with-alarm-p-26742.html for just over $5 plus shipping and handling? I DON'T WANT TO SELL TO THE BLIND COMMUNITY THEN, IF IT MEANS WORTHLESS ONE YEAR WARRANTIED, PURE ABSOLUTE CHINESE GARBAGE. FUCK CHINA. What makes your clock better? BY IT BEING MANUFACTURED ONLY FROM AMERICAN, GERMAN, OR JAPANESE QUALITY CONTROLLED PARTS AND COMPONENTS; ONLY! Selling it at a higher price does not make it better. CORRECT! Made in America does not make it better. WELL YEAH; I GUESS. ONLY QUALITY CONTROL, OVER PARTS, COMPONENTS AND LABOR, IN A FIRST CLASS COUNTRY; U.S.A., GERMANY, SWITZERLAND, OR JAPAN; MAYBE ENGLAND TOO. JOHN DELOREAN HAD HIS D.M.C.12 PLANT IN ENGLAND. Lasting forever does not make it better. Finding where there are niches for specific functions, uses, and features in the market might help you create something that would be more accepted by the marketplace. I NEED HELP, TO FIND THE RIGHT NICHE AND MARKET. INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, BROADCAST, AMATEUR RADIO REPEATERS, INSTITUTIONAL, MILITARY, HOSPITAL, ETC..... : WHICHEVER AND WHATEVER ONE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You need to really look at what people want. Really look. TO LOOK AT WHAT INDUSTRY WANTS, AND NOT CHINESE-ISM CONSUMERISM WORTHLESSNESS. > THE PROJECT GOING NOWHERE, HAS DRIVEN ME OUT OF MY MIND. So look for another project. Tons of things waiting! THERE ARE ZERO OTHER THINGS WAITING. FUCK CHINA. > I SEE A BARTER FUTURE AHEAD, UNDER THE RESISTANCE TO THE UNITED DIVIDED NATIONS NEW AGE-NEW WORLD DISORDER AND ORDER HELL ON EARTH. > > FORCED BARTER EXCHANGE, DUE TO THE ANARCHY THAT WILL ENSUE UPON ALL OF US, BECAUSE OF THE RESISTANCE TO TOTALITARIAN SOCIAL ENSLAVEMENT. I see more of the same as we have now, changing slowly. Money isn't going to go away. OKAY; HOW ABOUT ALTERNATIVE CURRENCIES, AS IS IN THE WEBLINK THAT I POSTED, THE OTHER EVENING? > COMMUNE -(ISM) SLUMS: TRAILOR TRASH 'PARKS', AND APARTMENT KOMPLEXES. > FASCIST COMMUNES. Don't knock apartment complexes. I HATE APARTMENT KOMMUNISM-PLEXES AS EQUALLY AS TRAILOR PARKS. ALL OF IT: BUILT TO BURN, WHEN THEY CATCH FIRE; INCLUDING THE MIDDLE CLASS FASCIST BOX SLUMBURBS AS WELL. They are often nice places to live if you have the income. Of course, you have to chose a good one. NOT EVEN ONE APARTMENT KOMMUNISM-PLEX IS A NICE PLACE FOR ME. I HATE APARTMENTS; I HATE TRAILOR SO-CALLED PARKS AND TRAILOR SLUMS, AND I HATE SLUMBURBS ALL, EQUALLY, WITH THE HATRED OF HELL. > Money is a good way of keeping score. Not the best! But of all the > systems we've tried before, the least worst. > > > MONEY IS ALSO A WAYS AND MEANS OF POPULATION CONTROL, AND POPULATION ENSLAVEMENT. Population self control, you mean. WHAT I MEANT, WAS TO JUST LEAVE IT AT: POPULATION ENSLAVEMENT; MONEY OVERABUNDANCE, AND ANTIMONEY ALIKE! What's the alternative? Really, what's the alternative? ALTERNATIVE CURRENCY, I GUESS; I DON'T KNOW. BUT WHEN THE KOMMUNIST AND FASCIST EDUCATION WARZONE DOES NOT TEACH CAPITALISM, FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE, FINANCIAL FREEDOM, AND FINANCIAL SUCCESS, WHERE DOES ONE TURN TO? CHASTE MENTORS HAVE TO EXIST IN THIS WORLD STILL, DON'T THEY????? Some of the earliest forms of what we may call money, were arrow heads and beads. That's in the neolithic age, way before we had anything that might be mistaken for civilization. > So what we really need to do, is look for opportunities to make > money by helping other people with their needs and desires. (Legal ones > that forward the development of society. > > THAT IS MY WILL; UNFORTUNATELY THE DECK IS STACKED AGAINST ME. And you think the deck is stacked less against me? I am not so sure. Yes, it was hard learning to deal with many people; but I learned that skill. And with that, money flowed. I CANNOT DEAL WITH PEOPLE VERY WELL; THAT IS MY HANGUP, I GUESS. SEXUAL PROBLEM'S IN MY YOUTH HAVE JUST TRAUMATIZED MY LIFE SO BADLY, THAT I DO NOT LIKE DEALING WITH PEOPLE. > E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE REGULATED BY THE FASCIST NAZI FUCKED UP FOOD AND DRUG ADDICTION ASSOCIATION ADMINISTRATION, AND THE INFERNAL REVENUE ANTI-SERVICE PREVENTS INDEPENDENT ENTREPENEURSHIP, BY BOTH ANTI EDUCATION, AND BY AN IRON FIST; ALSO AS YOU MENTIONED; SO DOES THE (S.B.B.A.) SMALL BANKRUPTION BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. What you make with your hand is hard to regulate. IT IS ALSO VERY VERY DAMNED DIFFICULT TO DO A MASS PRODUCTION, WITH ONE MAN LABOR. > I COULD GROW AND SELL LOTUS FLOWERS, FOR FOOD FOR OTHERS, BUT WOULD ALSO RUN INTO THE FASCIST SOCIALIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST F.U.F.A.D.A.A.A. (THE SO-CALLED F.D.A.) ON THAT ISSUE AS WELL. If it is psychoactive, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND: 1. SPIRITUALLY ENLIGHTENING. AND: 2. NEURALLY SEDATIVE. then yes, the FDA would eventually do something to prevent others from getting sucked into it, ruining their minds, etc. UNLESS IT COULD BE OF MASS SCALE BENEFIT TO ALL PEOPLE????...... EASTERN COUNTRIES: INDIA, CHINA (I STILL HATE CHINA), AND JAPAN, USE THE NELUMBO LOTUS PLANT, AS COMMON FOOD INGREDIENTS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelumbo_nucifera > AND SO I AM DAMNED. Not yet. LASTING PEACE IS WHAT I NEED SO BADLY! > I refuse to work for gambling establishments, > > I ALSO HATE GAMBLING TOO. > > I'VE NEVER LIKED GAMBLING AT ALL. > alcohol and porn purveyors, tobacco companies, racists, > etc. I've always turned them down, even when I was very hungry and > they offered me a lot of money. I know who I am. I know what I stand > for.) > I REJECT THE REST AS WELL; ALTHOUGH, OCCASIONAL ALCOHOL IN MODERATE AMOUNTS FOR ME, IS ALRIGHT. In moderation, some do well with it. I can't stand it at all, even the fumes bother me, as my detox pathways are broken. I COULD USE A BEER RIGHT NOW. > I JUST WANT TO BE INDEPENDENT, SUCCESSFUL, AT PEACE WITH MYSELF AT PEACE WITH LIFE, AND TO BE FREE. That, my friend, takes a lot of hard work. Are you willing to work at it, or do you want to justify your not succeeding? I'VE WORKED LIKE HELL, SO FAR. IT ONLY MOVES ME INCHES MOST OF THE TIME, THROUGH GARGANTUAN MOUNTAIN RANGES, SOMETIMES I HAVE THE NUCLEAR ENERGY TO BLAST THROUGH MOUNTAINS, BUT I'M STILL HUMAN, AND DON'T HAVE THE PERPETUAL POWER OF THE GODS. > THAT IS WHAT I THINK BEING AN AMERICAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE, AND TO FEEL LIKE. America is more like America than it ever was. AMERICA ALSO IS FUCKED UP, IF ANYONE IS ABLE TO SEE IT FROM ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE. OZZY OSBOURNE'S SONG: CRAZY TRAIN IS NOW MAINSTREAM MUSIC, AND CHURCH OF CHRIST SINGER AND ARTIST: PAT BOONE, DID A JAZZ STYLE COVER VERSION OZZY'S SONG. ARE OZZY'S: CRAZY TRAIN, AND CAT STEVENS: PEACE TRAIN, ON A CRASH COURSE????? IF SO; WHAT WILL THE CONSEQUENCES, AND OUTCOME BE???? WILL IT BE WORLD WAR THREE???? (I DIDN'T INTEND TO RHYME.). But are you ready to be, to accept the responsibility, of being a fully American entrepreneur? It entails a lot of careful analysis and calculated risk taking. I NEED HELP TO GET THERE. NO ONE HAS EVER DONE IT ALONE; BILL GATES DIDN'T EVEN DO EVERY PART OF HIS SUCCESS, ALONE, ON HIS OWN. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050827/e2df3ce4/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 27 21:34:00 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 27 21:34:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. In-Reply-To: <46.6fca449b.304213ee@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050828043400.37408.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote: Hi Clyde, HELLO. I kind of wonder in what way YOU feel YOU are not independent. FINANCIAL ENSLAVEMENT. BETTER PUT: ANTIFINANCIAL ENSLAVEMENT. Are YOU in a wheelchair ? NO. YOU don't have one of those ankle bracelets the courts place on people to keep an eye on them, do YOU? NO, BUT I AM, AND HAVE BEEN, A MAJOR THREAT TO THE INTEGRITY OF THE EN-FUCK-LISHMENT (ESTABLISHMENT). beer???? MAYBE I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF CLONAZEPAM, AND BEER! OR AN OVERDOSE OF CLONAZEPAM, AND WINE. LIFE HAS BECOME VERY PAINFUL, WITH ENDLESS ENDURANCE; EVERYDAY. I'LL REPLY MORE LATER. CLYDE regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050827/670e161e/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 27 22:06:51 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 27 22:06:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. In-Reply-To: <20050826223034.29667.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050828050651.56108.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > and the industrialist. > BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THAT INDUSTRIALIST. > I'D REALLY LIKE TO WATCH THAT EPISODE AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH I'VE > > NEVER REALLY CONSIDERED MYSELF TO BE A TREKKIE, I DO LIKE > SPECIFIC STAR TREK PRODUCTIONS OF THE PAST, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE > PRESENT; INCLUDING CERTAIN EPISODES OF THE ENTERPRISE SERIES > THAT WAS DISCONTINUED, DUE TO ALL OF THE PRESENT NEOCON > HYPOCRITICAL HORSESHIT. I WAS A REPUBLICAN, BUT NOW I'M AN INDEPENDENT BECAUSE I'VE GONE CRAZY - LOST MY MIND. I HAVE ZERO LOVE FOR THE PERVERT NEOLIBS, NOR ANY LOVE REMAINING FOR THE WAR MONGERING NEOCONS; THEY ARE EQUALLY IN IT TOGETHER BEHIND THE SCENES, FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THIS COUNTRY. THEY ALL HAVE KONTROL OVER OUR MODERN ELEKTRICAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX, POLITICS, EDUKATION, AND THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX, AND THE PHARMAKOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX, AMONG MANY, IF NOT ALL OTHER KOMMUNISM-PLEXES OF ATTEMPT AT TOTALITARIAN NEW AGE NEW WORLD ORDER/DISODER KONTROL OVER US ALL, EQUALLY. DO I SOUND PARANOID? NO; I AM F'ING ANGRY! FUCK EM' ALL. TO HELL WITH THEM ALL. POLITICAL BULLSHIT, AND WORLD WAR THREE; EVERY GODDAMNED BIT OF IT ALL; TO HELL WITH IT ALL. SEPERATE SUBJECT: IN THE ORIGINAL STAR TREK SERIES, THERE WAS AN EPISODE OF A PLANET, WHERE SPOCK AND SOME OF THE OTHERS, WENT UNDER THE SPELL OF STRANGE FLOWERS; I DON'T REMEMBER THE FULL STORYLINE OF THAT EPISODE, BUT THAT WAS A REALLY INTERESTING EPISODE THAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO WATCH AGAIN AS WELL! KIND OF PERTAINS TO MY CURIOSITY REGARDING NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWERS, AND WHAT THE SIGNIFICANCE IS, OF THEM, TO EASTERN RELIGIONS. NELUMBO FLOWERS MUST BE A WELL KEPT SECRET IN THE WEST, IF THEY ARE EVEN INDEED A SECRET AT ALL, HERE THE WEST. THE WEST IS STILL WILD. BUT ARE WE STILL FREE? I DON'T KNOW. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <20050828052921.36190.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Reminder web addresses; Part six: 1. http://www.libertydollar.org/default.asp?REFERER=NRC79506 2. http://whyfiles.org/210political_science/3.html 3. http://www.hardscapematerials.com 4. http://www.oasepumps.com 5. http://www.littlegiant.com 6. http://www.temcor.com/ 7. http://www.rohnnet.com/ 8. http://www.radiancorp.com/Catalog/Default.asp 9. http://www.flashtechnology.com/ 10. http://www.shamanshop.net/store/proddetail.cfm/ItemID/15877.0/CategoryID/155500.0/SubCatID/3620.0/File.htm 11. http://www.shamanshop.net/mailorders.htm 12. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelumbo_nucifera 13. http://www.independentliving.com 14. http://www.maxiaids.com 15. http://www.lssproducts.com 16. http://www.easa.com/ 17. http://www.wempec.wisc.edu/ 18. http://www.ecampus.com/bk_detail.asp?isbn=0393059944&referrer=ing0405 19. http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/dor02.htm 20. http://www.global-towers.com 21. http://globalization.icaap.org/content/v1.1/gpfd.html 22. http://www.kuhlman.com/ 23. http://www.solomoncorp.com 24. http://www.rittal-corp.com 25. http://www.cafepress.com/irregulargoods.8824556 26. http://www.e2e-store.com/nasatechbriefs/nasatechbriefs-product.cgi?category_id=7&product_id=13 27. http://www.e2e-store.com/nasatechbriefs/nasatechbriefs-product.cgi?category_id=3&product_id=11 28. http://www.e2e-store.com/nasatechbriefs/nasatechbriefs-product.cgi?category_id=3&product_id=15 29. http://cbchome.carlton-bates.com/default.aspx (Only The Best Is Good Enough!) 30. http://www.dcdinc.com 31. http://www.doepfer.de 32. http://www.synthtech.com 33. http://www.omnicronelectronics.com/ 34. http://www.omnicronelectronics.com/analog/TimeClock.htm 35. http://www.metronomeonline.com/ 36. http://www.datachroninc.com 37. http://www.datachroninc.com/Datachron3/Datachron__Pro.html 38. http://www.spectracomcorp.com/solutions/federalGovernment.php 39. http://www.spectracomcorp.com/frequency.php 40. http://tf.nist.gov/ 41. http://www.physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/StaffOrg/stafftable.pl?direct_group=847&guestbox=1&edit=0 42. http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/researchers.htm 43. http://www.nist.gov 44. http://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwv.html 45. http://tf.nist.gov/timefreq/service/wwvbtrace.htm 46. http://tf.nist.gov/timefreq/service/gpstrace.htm 47. http://www.talleycom.com/ 48. http://www.bswusa.com/main.asp 49. http://www.hamradio.com/ 50. http://www.aesham.com/ 51. http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Manufacturers/Repeaters/ 52. http://www.radioinc.net/ 53. http://www.irby.com/ 54. http://www.graybar.com 55. http://www.graybar.com/utility 56. http://www.deliveringonthepromise.com/DAgee 57. http://www.bolenreport.com/ 58. http://www.nutri.com/ 59. http://www.orthomolecular.org/ 60. http://www.orthomed.com/ 61. http://www.mall-net.com/cathcart/titrate.html 62. http://www.a-nutritional-supplements.com/vitamin.htm 63. http://kidshealth.org/teen/misc/vitamin_chart.html 64. http://wellnesswallcharts.com/vitamin.html 65. http://www.eas.com/training/vitaminchart.asp 66. http://www.changingshape.com/resources/references/vmchart.asp 67. http://www.healthalternatives2000.com/vitchart.htm 68. http://www.katking.com/Wisdom/Vitamin.html 69. http://www.naturalcures.com 70. http://www.aeromedix.com/ 71. http://www.acu-cell.com/ 72. http://chirocity.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1573 73. http://www.chirohistory.org/ 74. http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/21/07/11.html 75. http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/21/10/23.html 76. http://www.paulingtherapy.com/ 77. http://newstarget.com/010761.html 78. http://partners.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/20000611mag-lawn.html 79. http://www.organicconsumers.org/patent/slowgrow.cfm 80. http://www.southernpatio.com 81. http://www.occultopedia.com/c/caduceus.htm 82. http://www.inmagine.com/bstock048/s1458006-photo 83. http://www.inmagine.com/bstock040/s1405023-photo 84. http://www.kraftwerk.com 85. http://www.t-shirthumor.com/Merchant2/products/chen.html?Category_Code=newr 86. http://www.nationalassociationofmicrobroadcasters.com/index_original.htm 87. http://www.nationalassociationofmicrobroadcasters.com/links.htm 88. http://www.criminalgovernment.com/ 89. http://www.theinformationcorner.com/ 90. http://www.patriotamerica.com/JackMcLamb/JackMcLamb.htm 91. http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/06-21-99/vo15no13_overdose.htm 92. http://www.sitepsych.com/alt/bioergo/bwaves.html 93. http://www.lunarsight.com/glossary.htm 94. http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/books/220037.htm 95. http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/bklist.htm 96. http://www.tjfab.com 97. http://www.will-mann.com 98. http://www.eia.doe.gov 99. http://www.doe.gov 100. http://www.electricity.doe.gov 101. http://www.ferc.gov 102. http://www.nerc.com 103. http://www.epri.com 104. http://www.pelican.com 105. http://www.yca.com 106. http://www.amprobe.com 107. http://www.fluke.com 108. http://www.aemc.com/ --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! 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I'VE BUSTED MY ASS ON THE COMPILATION OF EVERY WEBLINK, ON ALL OF THE COMPILATIONS SO FAR. I HOPE THAT THEY'LL BE OF BENEFIT TO MANY PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH I CAN'T MAKE ANY MONEY FROM SHARING THEM ALL, WITH OTHERS. SINCERELY; CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050827/4dac656b/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 27 23:30:27 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Aug 27 23:30:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] HOPE I DIDN'T OVERWHELM YOU ALL. Message-ID: <20050828063027.71192.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> HOPE I DIDN'T OVERWHELM YOU ALL WITH EVERY POSTING THAT I SENT TONIGHT. I'VE GOTTA TRY TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF REST BEFORE WORK, AT 7:00 A.M. C.S.T. THIS MORNING. LATER; CLYDE --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050827/2b685b34/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Aug 27 23:40:08 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Aug 27 23:40:22 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY, PART TWO: MONEY. In-Reply-To: <20050828022710.10179.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 27, 2005 07:27:10 PM Message-ID: <20050828064008.13466.qmail@mall-net.com> > IN MY CASE; AN ENTIRELY AUTOMATED, SMALL PUBLIC SERVICE, LOW POWER F.M., TIME, TEMPERATURE, HUMIDITY, BAROMETRIC PRESSURE, AND WEATHER REPORT BROADCAST STATION. > MY INSPIRATIONS: W.W.V. AND NOAA WEATHER RADIO. > BUT I CANNOT MAKE MONEY AT THAT PROJECT THOUGH. > IT IS A MONEY SINK. Yes, maybe... but it is a connection! Something people connect to, check, and if properly set up, realize there is YOU behind it. SO you set it up, let it run with a voice synthesizer, and say something in the end like "brough to you by someone interested in..." > > WELL I CAN PICTURE MY OWN MICRO SPACESHIP, RIGHT THERE, NEXT TO THE ENTERPRISE D, ENJOYING THAT AWESOME VIEW OF LOOKING DOWN > UPON THE EARTH, FROM SPACE. > > But can you see the path to get there? > > YES I CAN, YET I CANNOT SEE LIMITLESS MONEYMAKING, IN LIMITLESS LARGE LUMP SUMS, TO HELP TO GET ME THERE, WITH A PERFECT AND COMPLETE, LIFE SUSTAINING MICRO SHIP. But not, at present, the technology to get there. > What can you do, today, to move yourself along that path? > VERY LITTLE, I THINK. More than you think. A motivation for money, at least. but likely not enough money for you to gain alone. (One of my dreams too, in a way; but not alone.) > IF THERE IS A GOD; AN ULTIMATE DEITY; I THINK HE HATES MY GUTS; IF HE EXISTS. If he or she hated your guts, you would not exist! Poof! Salt pillar, as my father would say. Thus, we may conclude that you are no better, no worse off than a lot of us. Our Creator placed a lot of faith in you. You have immense power to damage creation. It is far easier to destroy than to build. Yet you chose not to destroy. Why? Because you feel some connection with others, with the whole world around you. Our Creator has faith in YOU! And has given you the opportunity to see what you can do in this life, what you can build to make some portion of creation better for yourself and others. In other words, a challenge. What's life without a challenge, huh? You read about all the wealthy kids, spoiled rotten by getting anything they want, who turn to dope because they don't see THE CHALLENGE of LIFE! They never learned that their efforts matter. THAT is what the challenge of life starts as! My efforts matter! I CAN improve my life... and as I master that, the lives of others. That's why we are mad scientists, Clyde. We see our efforts matter. We want to DO things beyond the norms! We want to explore ideas and technologies others thought worthless, to combine them, to find some fantastic thing which changes the world. Like my friend who is trying to disprove quantum theory. http;//www.unquantum.com/ Progress is often made in terms of inches; but as time goes on, the inches add up. > I FEEL LIKE BLASTING ALL OF THE F'ING GODS OF ANTIQUITY, FROM THE PAST AND THE PRESENT, WITH MASSIVE NUCLEAR FORCE, AND WITH MASSIVE ANTINUCLEAR SONIC ENERGY TOO; > BECAUSE I CANNOT WIN; INDEFINATELY. You think I can win forever, Clyde? I too, am doomed to die eventually. Some, I think, may be reborn and live again, sans memories but with the character that is our soul. But we all die. The trick is to make life worth the living of it! And not just for you. > > YEAH; HOW IN THE HELL CAN I GET MY FUTURISTIC TALKING CLOCK, TO BE A > QUALITY MASS PRODUCTION SUCCESS? > > The problem, Clyde, is that your project is not futuristic. > > HORSEMANURE! Actually, I think cow manure is more of a fertilizer. I rather suspect that the bull manure is a little oilier and firmer than cow manure; but I could be mistaken. > THE ENTERPRISE NX-01 IS FUTURISTIC, EVEN TO THE ENTERPRISE D. > A LOT OF THE COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY ABOARD THE NX-01 ENTERPRISE WAS MUCH HIGHER TECH, AND MORE IMPRESSIVE LOOKING, THAN THAT OF WHAT WAS ABOARD THE ENTERPRISE D, AND THE ENTERPRISE D WAS FROM THE 24TH CENTURY. > Talking clocks exist. $27 from Seiko, under $5 from China, and many > other prices. > > FUCK CHINA; > > AND FUCK $5.00 FOR A CHINESE GARBAGE TALKING CLOCK, WHICH IS IRREPAIRABLE WHEN SOMETHING THAT IS PART OF ITS SHODDY SHIT FAILS; At $5, who cares about repairs? $50 to repair a $5 clock? Buy another one! > I WANT A TALKING CLOCK THAT WILL BE WORTHY OF MUSEUM STORAGE, AND MUSEUM DISPLAY, IN THE FUTURE. Business is concerned about making a profit. For those clocks to make it to the next century, they have to be build, bought, used, and appreciated. > Why should someone buy your clock at $100, when they can have a > beautiful talking clock from Seiko > > I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I THINK THAT SEIKO PRODUCTS ARE WORTHLESS CHINESE EXPORTS NOW TOO. Why is your clock better? That is the key question for marketing. Why is your clock better for someone to own? Who is that someone? How many of that someone are there??? > http://www.mitechtrading.com/talking-lcd-desk-clock-with-alarm-p-26742.html > > for just over $5 plus shipping and handling? > > I DON'T WANT TO SELL TO THE BLIND COMMUNITY THEN, IF IT MEANS WORTHLESS ONE YEAR WARRANTIED, PURE ABSOLUTE CHINESE GARBAGE. Why should someone buy your clock for $100, or $200, when they can own a $5 piece of disposable garbage they never have to worry about? What advantage does your clock give them, that the $5 clock, or two clocks for $10, do not??? > BY IT BEING MANUFACTURED ONLY FROM AMERICAN, GERMAN, OR JAPANESE QUALITY CONTROLLED PARTS AND COMPONENTS; ONLY! That is a meaningless answer. You need a better answer than that. Maybe you can find one. Maybe, you can find some needs not being met by those cheap disposable clocks. > Selling it at a higher price does not make it better. > > CORRECT! > > Made in America does not make it better. > > WELL YEAH; I GUESS. > ONLY QUALITY CONTROL, OVER PARTS, COMPONENTS AND LABOR, IN A FIRST CLASS COUNTRY; U.S.A., GERMANY, SWITZERLAND, OR JAPAN; MAYBE ENGLAND TOO. Quality control is good enough in China. I could buy two $5 clocks, so when one goes, I have a spare. Not so your expensive clock. And if I did have a spare, it would be used elsewhere in the house, and so I get two uses for $10 vs one use for $100. > specific functions, uses, and features in the market might help you > create something that would be more accepted by the marketplace. > > I NEED HELP, TO FIND THE RIGHT NICHE AND MARKET. > INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, BROADCAST, AMATEUR RADIO REPEATERS, INSTITUTIONAL, MILITARY, HOSPITAL, ETC..... : WHICHEVER AND WHATEVER ONE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now you are thinking. What features do they need? > You need to really look at what people want. Really look. > > TO LOOK AT WHAT INDUSTRY WANTS, AND NOT CHINESE-ISM CONSUMERISM WORTHLESSNESS. What features? How about plug your stereo in through the clock, and get the time at programmed intervals. Whatabout internet timebase? What about... what about other uses??? > > THE PROJECT GOING NOWHERE, HAS DRIVEN ME OUT OF MY MIND. > > So look for another project. Tons of things waiting! > > THERE ARE ZERO OTHER THINGS WAITING. Find one! That brain of yours should be cooking up new projects all the time, if you just don't obsess over one. > OKAY; HOW ABOUT ALTERNATIVE CURRENCIES, AS IS IN THE WEBLINK THAT I POSTED, THE OTHER EVENING? You want to do the design? As long as you do not claim it is worth anything, do not claim it is from a real country... you might be able to pass some along, almost like S&H Green stamps. The Country of Imagilunia... One Goowa. Freely convertible to ... N ... photons on a sunny day. (Pick some estimated number bouncing from the bill when held the sun) It would be a laugh! use it as a laugh! Collect laughs from people you give it to. Gee, that's a connection, isn't it. > Don't knock apartment complexes. > > I HATE APARTMENT KOMMUNISM-PLEXES AS EQUALLY AS TRAILOR PARKS. > ALL OF IT: BUILT TO BURN, WHEN THEY CATCH FIRE; INCLUDING THE MIDDLE CLASS FASCIST BOX SLUMBURBS AS WELL. > They are often nice places to live if you have the income. Of course, you have to chose a good one. > > NOT EVEN ONE APARTMENT KOMMUNISM-PLEX IS A NICE PLACE FOR ME. I lived in several very nice ones in California. > I HATE APARTMENTS; I HATE TRAILOR SO-CALLED PARKS AND TRAILOR SLUMS, AND I HATE SLUMBURBS ALL, EQUALLY, WITH THE HATRED OF HELL. A waste of effort. Why not hate something truly evil instead, like Osama. Put your hatred where it will do some good. > > Money is a good way of keeping score. Not the best! But of all the > > systems we've tried before, the least worst. > > MONEY IS ALSO A WAYS AND MEANS OF POPULATION CONTROL, AND POPULATION ENSLAVEMENT. > > Population self control, you mean. > > WHAT I MEANT, WAS TO JUST LEAVE IT AT: POPULATION ENSLAVEMENT; > MONEY OVERABUNDANCE, AND ANTIMONEY ALIKE! > > What's the alternative? Really, what's the alternative? > > ALTERNATIVE CURRENCY, I GUESS; I DON'T KNOW. > BUT WHEN THE KOMMUNIST AND FASCIST EDUCATION WARZONE DOES NOT TEACH CAPITALISM, FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE, FINANCIAL FREEDOM, AND FINANCIAL SUCCESS, WHERE DOES ONE TURN TO? > CHASTE MENTORS HAVE TO EXIST IN THIS WORLD STILL, DON'T THEY????? What does chaste have to do with mentors? People are people. As long as they don't try to recruit you for sex, who cares. > And you think the deck is stacked less against me? I am not so > sure. Yes, it was hard learning to deal with many people; but I learned > that skill. And with that, money flowed. > > I CANNOT DEAL WITH PEOPLE VERY WELL; THAT IS MY HANGUP, I GUESS. > SEXUAL PROBLEM'S IN MY YOUTH HAVE JUST TRAUMATIZED MY LIFE SO BADLY, THAT I DO NOT LIKE DEALING WITH PEOPLE. Can you imagine what you would be like without that traumatization? Try to imagine it strongly enough that it takes over. > > E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE REGULATED BY THE FASCIST > NAZI FUCKED UP FOOD AND DRUG ADDICTION ASSOCIATION ADMINISTRATION, AND > THE INFERNAL REVENUE ANTI-SERVICE PREVENTS INDEPENDENT ENTREPENEURSHIP, > BY BOTH ANTI EDUCATION, AND BY AN IRON FIST; ALSO AS YOU MENTIONED; SO > DOES THE (S.B.B.A.) SMALL BANKRUPTION BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. > > What you make with your hand is hard to regulate. > > IT IS ALSO VERY VERY DAMNED DIFFICULT TO DO A MASS PRODUCTION, WITH ONE MAN LABOR. Very True! But Nirvana technologies are not what the masses wish. > > I COULD GROW AND SELL LOTUS FLOWERS, FOR FOOD FOR OTHERS, BUT WOULD > ALSO RUN INTO THE FASCIST SOCIALIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST F.U.F.A.D.A.A.A. > (THE SO-CALLED F.D.A.) ON THAT ISSUE AS WELL. > > If it is psychoactive, > > FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND: So they would ban it. Next project! > then yes, the FDA would eventually do something to prevent others from > getting sucked into it, ruining their minds, etc. > > > UNLESS IT COULD BE OF MASS SCALE BENEFIT TO ALL PEOPLE????...... "All" is not plausible. 50% would be astounding! 5% - 10% would be an amazing success. > EASTERN COUNTRIES: INDIA, CHINA (I STILL HATE CHINA), AND JAPAN, USE THE NELUMBO LOTUS PLANT, AS COMMON FOOD INGREDIENTS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. Then you might have a chance. Buy from them, ship to others at a markup. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelumbo_nucifera\\ Nothing there suggesting any loopy use. > > AND SO I AM DAMNED. > > Not yet. > > I JUST WANT TO BE INDEPENDENT, SUCCESSFUL, AT PEACE WITH MYSELF AT >>PEACE WITH LIFE, AND TO BE FREE. > > That, my friend, takes a lot of hard work. Are you willing to work at it, or do you want to justify your not succeeding? > > I'VE WORKED LIKE HELL, SO FAR. > > IT ONLY MOVES ME INCHES MOST OF THE TIME, THROUGH GARGANTUAN MOUNTAIN RANGES, SOMETIMES I HAVE THE NUCLEAR ENERGY TO BLAST THROUGH MOUNTAINS, BUT I'M STILL HUMAN, AND DON'T HAVE THE PERPETUAL POWER OF THE GODS. None of us have. Inches are what most of us move. Remember, it takes some 12 to 16 years to be coordinated enough to be trusted to drive a car. To get into management, sometimes by crisis, five years; other times ten or twenty. And sometimes, you realize that's not the path you want. Learning to be a businessman takes years too. To hit it big? Some hit it big in short order. Those who do, usually lose it big in short order too. They didn't learn! It was luck. Look at Donald Trump in contrast. A lot of things, building up to his present status. Wins and painful losses; but few make or break deals. Willingness to risk, but not to risk all. Very careful weighing of risk factors, planning to deal with them, etc. A game of chess, not double or nothing tosses of the coin. How long does it take to become a good chess player, Clyde? How many years of practice? How about the violin? How many years? i worked with a gambler once. Interesting fellow. I tried to build some mathematical models to quantify the risks. It all boiled down to intelligence gathering, not mathematical models. He had better data; but also a different angle to it, which let him win more than he lost in his game, that of the dog races. He covered his bets, both in the races, and in his personal life. He had a good full time job as an Excellent engineer! That's how we met. Another ex-gambler I spoke with said that his full time job gave him a lot more satisfaction than winning at the dog races. And as his career became more demanding, and his career successes became more personally rewarding, he just sort of ran out of time to do the races well enough to win, so he quit. (He wasn't making that much more money than he had made at the track; it was just a nicer feeling that when he won in his career, everyone won!) > > THAT IS WHAT I THINK BEING AN AMERICAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE, AND TO FEEL LIKE. > > America is more like America than it ever was. > AMERICA ALSO IS FUCKED UP, IF ANYONE IS ABLE TO SEE IT FROM ANOTHER Sure. But not as badly as, say nations around The Congo. Or Bosnia, Or Russia. PERSPECTIVE. > > OZZY OSBOURNE'S SONG: CRAZY TRAIN IS NOW MAINSTREAM MUSIC, AND CHURCH OF CHRIST SINGER AND ARTIST: PAT BOONE, DID A JAZZ STYLE COVER VERSION OZZY'S SONG. > > ARE OZZY'S: CRAZY TRAIN, AND CAT STEVENS: PEACE TRAIN, ON A CRASH COURSE????? > > IF SO; WHAT WILL THE CONSEQUENCES, AND OUTCOME BE???? > > WILL IT BE WORLD WAR THREE???? > > (I DIDN'T INTEND TO RHYME.). > Not a clue. I don't follow that type of music at all. Of some of that which I hear, I think it just so much mind-rot programming one for failure. Especially rapp, punk rock, etc. > But are you ready to be, to accept the responsibility, of being a fully American > entrepreneur? It entails a lot of careful analysis and calculated risk taking. > > I NEED HELP TO GET THERE. > NO ONE HAS EVER DONE IT ALONE; BILL GATES DIDN'T EVEN DO EVERY PART OF HIS SUCCESS, ALONE, ON HIS OWN. I've been there. I've failed to make great fortune each time. Enough to make a living, sometimes. Fortune? No. Not yet, at any rate. But the game of life is not over yet. Each time I throw the dice, I learn something. And I have an adventure of some sort. So I keep trying, cautiously. And always, I am looking for the right people to join my teams, people with skills I lack. Few really succeed in terms of fortune. Most succeed in terms of living a decent life. In many ways, even here in my little trailer, I do better than my parents did. I have not had friends shot, tortured to death, armed men seeking me with intent to shoot and kill. We joke about this, for it relieves some of the stress. "It's ok, Dad, no one is shooting at me." And done worse in other ways. I have no property I may call home, my health precludes easy work, etc. One needs look at the needs of others. Remember that folded piece of cardboard put across the windshield of the car. How many years have we had cars, especially cars that become intolerably hot in the sun; and how many years have we had cardboard? Why was this not invented earlier??? Perhaps it was, several times. But the inventors did not seek to market it, or did not know how to market it well. So too, goes the story of many, many things. Is invention the way? We all, being mad scientists, like to think it the way. But a more sure way, is fixing homes for resale. And requires far less intelligence! Carlton Sheets. Most of the others were con artists. My favorite was Wade Cook... Great lecture! Then I walked up to him and asked him some interesting questions. His answers all came back to "just do it", don't bother with the details, just go out and buy homes! Duh! In an era of litigation, home inspection, etc., he says just go out and buy, Buy, Buy! That did not smell right to me! It was more of what a course seller would say, not a real investor. Indeed, my accountant pointed out his strategies were no longer viable with tax law changes and other real estate law changes. And why -- they were not quite reasonable in other ways, given the ups and downs of the real estate market. Indeed, he switched to the stock market, teaching a way of making money in the stock market that confounded many. And of his income from selling that method, most of it was LOST in playing that stock market as per the course he was "trying to perfect"!!! WHILE SELLING IT!!! FRAUD!!! Then there was McCorkel. Fascinating lecture! I followed him a bit too. Indicted for fraud. I think he and his wife spent some time in jail due to his course, promises, etc. Carlton Sheets... I didn't take his course. I learned enough to know it was hard work, not the easy money Cook and McCorkel promised. Housing prices are insane now. They look like the stock market looked in the late 90's. The bubble is likely to burst soon. In the early 80's, when authors of computer books were promised million dollar advances, I chose to write a program rather than books. Ooops! but those advances are often (not always) written as loans against potential future sales. Ooops! Book fails, you're in debt! And no book two. Not all publishers survived either! There are myriads of opportunities! But not all fit well with what we can do. And therein, is part of the art of life. One man I know, passes those opportunities on to others who can do them better than he. In exchange, he gets opportunities that fit him well. His is the art of passing opportunities around. We can all play it of we but keep our eyes open, and talk to others. But if you, like I, sit apart from others, how can we get opportunities? We must meet other people. And yes, some will be monsters. You've met some. I've met some. I had a wife who tried to kill me quite a few times till I caught on. Actually, she was so sure that last time that she gloated. I survived. Not enough evidence to prosecute... but enough for me to walk away. And today, I helped truck part of a wooden deck away... I'd hired a guy who said it was a fantastic deal, great deck, etc. And never finished the job of taking it away to my new place. So I ended up in the pollution zone, harmed, etc. as I finished the job... for a load of soft, partly rotten worthless redwood I paid for; but will probably not be able to use. But if you avoid all people, you will not meet any new friends. I've met some marvelous people over the years. The guy I bought it from was an intersting person. We'll talk more about computer things in the near future. So maybe the deck was a bargain, even if it won't be used. WHo knows! Life goes on. Do you? Start looking for interesting people. Listen more than you talk. Ask questions rather than making statements. And soon, you'll see you have friends. EMDR might be useful, if you can find a practitioner whom you can trust. So might a few books. Ogg Mandino, Maxwell Maltz, Dale Carnegie... three interesting authors. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From texastjs at swbell.net Sun Aug 28 08:17:02 2005 From: texastjs at swbell.net (Tim) Date: Sun Aug 28 08:17:09 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 79 In-Reply-To: <20050827180815.7270939839@kang.vjc.com> References: <20050827180815.7270939839@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <4311D56E.6050006@swbell.net> mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG wrote: >Send Mad-Scientists mailing list submissions to > mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >You can reach the person managing the list at > mad-scientists-owner@Mad-Scientists.ORG > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Mad-Scientists digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 67 (Tim) > 2. 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Re: Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 67 (clyde lofton) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:03:50 -0500 >From: Tim >Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 67 >To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >Message-ID: <43108EE6.8050706@swbell.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG wrote: > > > >>Send Mad-Scientists mailing list submissions to >> mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists >>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG >> >>You can reach the person managing the list at >> mad-scientists-owner@Mad-Scientists.ORG >> >>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>than "Re: Contents of Mad-Scientists digest..." >> >> >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. The customer/supplier/product relationship (Michael Best) >> 2. Re: Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65 (clyde lofton) >> 3. Re: The customer/supplier/product relationship (clyde lofton) >> 4. Re: Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 65 >> (javilk@mall-net.com) >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Message: 1 >>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:15:09 -0400 >>From: "Michael Best" >>Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The customer/supplier/product relationship >>To: , , >> >>Message-ID: <00f901c5a90a$0e040a00$6601a8c0@mikey> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>Any capitalist business requires three things: A supplier, a >>product/service, and a customer for the product/service. >> >>A century ago, my great-grandfather, Dr. Benjamin W. Best, was a physician. >>He supplied the service of medical care to his customers, the patients. >>Seventy years ago, my grandfather, John H. Best, a pharmacist, provided >>medicines to his customers, ailing patients. >> >>Notice the relationship- Supplier= physician or pharmacist, product= medical >>care or medicine, customer= patient. >> >>Fast forward to the 21st century, where underwriters pay for medical care. >>Now the relationship is: >> >>Supplier= Professional Associations of physicians, and multinational drug >>companies >>Customer, who pays the bills= insurance underwriters >>PRODUCT= SICK PEOPLE! >> >>The entire paradigm of health care is bassackwards! >> >>The money is made not from fee-for-services of healing, but from insurance >>payments, most notably the Socialist Medicare program. The driving force >>today, the profit incentive, is to make money from the underwriters by >>selling the patient's illness to the insurers! >> >>The bottom line of medical business today is best served by keeping patients >>ill; NOT curing their ailment. >> >>And all this began when Medicare established "Reasonable and Customary >>Charges!" How does it feel to be a piece of meat in the butcher's market? >>That is ALL the patient is today! Simply a product to be sold to the >>highest bidder. >> >>My great-grandfather delivered babies for three chickens, or a ham. I have >>his old account book. What does that service cost the underwriter today? >> >>Are YOU the customer, or the product to be sold??? >> >>-MB >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 2 >>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:11:06 -0700 (PDT) >>From: clyde lofton >>Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue >> 65 >>To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List >>Message-ID: <20050825011106.34535.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >>Tim wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Clyde-do you suppose maybe you have heavy metals overload? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY. >> >>BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT CHECKING TO SEE IF THAT MAY BE THE CASE; IF MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN (M.D.) IS UNWILLING TO HELP ME OUT ON CHECKING INTO THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO TURN TO FOR HELP. >> >>I am on AP therapy, >> >>WHAT IS A.P. ABBREVIATED FOR? >> >>turns out one of the benefits of the Macrolides family of antibiotics >> >>I'D LIKE TO CHECK INTO COLLOIDAL SILVER, TO FIND OUT IF THAT MAY BE OF SOME BENEFIT TO MYSELF, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS AS WELL. >> >>THE DOCTORS WERE CONTINUALLY DOING PULSE OX. TESTS ON ME, AND MY OXYGEN LEVEL ALWAYS CHECKED OUT GOOD; >> >>AND DRINKING LOT'S OF ANTI-OXIDANTS DOESN'T SEEM TO ALTER THE WAY THAT I FEEL, VERY MUCH. >> >>*I WONDER IF MY SYSTEM COULD BE FAR TOO ACIDIC, OR FAR TOO ALKALINE? >> >>DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW I CAN CHECK THOSE TWO THINGS? >> >>I'D LIKE TO BE CHEMICALLY NEUTRAL, IF POSSIBLE.* >> >>helps chelate out toxic metals as well as modulating cytochrome P450 metabolic pathway. >> >>MY CARDIOVASCULAR STRESS IS CONSTANTLY HIGH; COULD IT BE HARDENING, AND / OR DAMAGING MY VESSELS AND ARTERIES? >> >>THIS GOAL ORIENTED PERFECTIONISM OF MINE, HAS GONE TOO FAR, AND I AM PAYING FOR IT, WITH OVERWHELMING STRESS, HEALTH TROUBLES. >> >>I probably have a combined heme and methylation problem and perhaps pyroluric and celiac as well as a buncha' otha' crap wrong. >> >>Anyway-got my problems sorted out-but it took a lot of research and I had trouble with local m.d.'s (they were rather limited intellectually-and couldn't believe a patient had more research skills and better diagnostic insight than themselves >> >>YEAH; I'M FINDING OUT NOW HOW LIMITED THAT THE M.D.'S TRULY ARE, INTELLECTUALLY, SINCE MY LEARNING OF THE MAD-SCI FORUM, AND THROUGH MY CORRESPONDING WITH JOHN (JAVILK). >> >>-ego buster). Copper and any other metal is only important in TRACE amounts-however, >> >>I'VE STARTED TAKING NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMINS USUALLY EVERY DAY NOW, WITH AN OCCASIONAL VITAMIN B COMPLEX STRESS REDUCEMENT VITAMIN, ALONG WITH ZINC, ON OCCASION. >> >>I HAVE THE NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMIN BOX, HERE IN FRONT OF MYSELF, AND IT SHOWS THAT IT CONTAINS 2 mG'S OF COPPER (OXIDE) IN ITS MIXTURE; NEXT TO THAT, IT READS: 100%, UNDER THE %DV AMOUNT PER TABLET, AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMN. >> >>I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE (% OF) *DV* STANDS FOR. >> >>if you are slanted a certain way in your metabolic pathways, >> >>I AM NOW WONDERING IF THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP HAVE CAUSED PERMANENT IRREVERSIBLE HARM, TO MY CARDIOVASCULAR ARRANGEMENT. >> >>I THINK I AM HAVING DRUG INDUCED SLEEP APNEA NOW, AT NIGHT TIME, DURING SLEEP. >> >>I WAKE UP AT TIMES, FEELING AS THOUGH I'M GOING TO SUFFOCATE IN MY SLEEP, AND ALSO WAKE UP WITH NUMBNESS IN MY ARMS AND LEGS AT TIMES TOO, AND BAD ACHING PAINS IN MY CHEST, IN THE MORNINGS. >> >>what works for one person may store too easily in you-or you may not store ENOUGH, like others are able to. >> >>I NEED BETTER TESTS RUN ON MYSELF, TO DETERMINE EVERYTHING THAT COULD BE WRONG. >> >>THOSE TESTES AREN'T CHEAP THOUGH, FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, AND I AM NOT WEALTHY; SO I CANNOT AFFORD EXPENSIVE TESTS TO BE PERFORMED ON MYSELF. >> >>Either way you are in trouble if it goes on very long. >> >>IT HAS GONE ON FOR SO LONG NOW THAT I AM NEXT TO DEPERATE FOR ALTERNATIVES THAT WORK, FOR THE REDUCTION OF ALL OF THE OVERWHELMING STRESS THAT I FEEL. >> >>PEACE. >> >>OH, HOW I DESPERATELY NEED PEACE IN MY LIFE NOW. >> >>I found a website that I'd recommend as good for research information on metabolic pathways and supplements-it's called >> >>http://www.acu-cellresearch.com >> >>I'LL LOOK INTO IT. >> >>THANKS FOR SHARING THAT WEBSITE. >> >>If this link doesn't work I'll look it up and send it again. >> >>Clyde-do me a favor! Please do not cut and paste my stuff >> >>DO YOU MEAN BOTH CUT AND PASTE, WHILE ADDING CURSE WORDS TO IT, AT THE SAME TIME? ; >> >>OR ARE YOU ONLY WANTING ME TO EXCLUDE ANY CURSE WORDS? >> >>and then append your cursing to it, okay, >> >>Please! >> >>I just hate that- >> >>but I care about you-all right? >> >>ALRIGHT. >> >>Thanks, Lisa >> >> >>SINCERELY; CLYDE >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >>-------------- next part -------------- >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/f50d50b6/attachment-0001.html >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 3 >>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:03:52 -0700 (PDT) >>From: clyde lofton >>Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: The customer/supplier/product >> relationship >>To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@MAD-SCIENTISTS.ORG >>Message-ID: <20050825020352.14211.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >>Michael Best wrote: >>Any capitalist business requires three things: A supplier, a >>product/service, and a customer for the product/service. >> >>A century ago, my great-grandfather, Dr. Benjamin W. Best, was a physician. >>He supplied the service of medical care to his customers, the patients. >>Seventy years ago, my grandfather, John H. Best, a pharmacist, provided >>medicines to his customers, ailing patients. >> >>Notice the relationship- Supplier= physician or pharmacist, product= medical >>care or medicine, customer= patient. >> >>Fast forward to the 21st century, where underwriters pay for medical care. >>Now the relationship is: >> >>Supplier= Professional Associations of physicians, and multinational drug >>companies >> >>PILL PUSHERS: (THE F'ING COMMERCIALISM OF PHARMACOLOGY.). >> >>OBSCENE KHEMICAL KOMPLEXES WITH STUPID COMMERCIALISM NAMES APPLIED TO THEM, AND OVERWHELMING AMOUNTS OF INCLUDED FINE PRINT, THAT THE AVERAGE CIVILIAN HAS NO TIME TO GO THROUGH, AND SORT OUT ALL OF THE SHIT. >> >>TELEVISION COMMERICIALISM IS SO DAMNED STUPID, PERTANING TO PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, AND THEIR COMMERCIALISM. >> >>I GET SO TIRED OF ALL OF THE STUPID TELEVISION COMMERCIALS OF DRUG ADDS / DRUG CAMPAINS. >> >>THE COMPLEX FINE PRINT WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS TO THE AVERAGE END USER, INCLUDED WITH PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. >> >>THE CADUCEUS CRAP PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX, AND THE DOCTORS THAT THEY OWN AND OPERATE, CONTINUE TO RAKE IN ALL OF THE MOUNTAINS OF INSURANCE INTRAFUCKTURE DOUGH, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT; NOW I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. >> >> >>Customer, who pays the bills= insurance underwriters >>PRODUCT= SICK PEOPLE! >> >> >>DAMN STRAIGHT! >> >>EVEN THE CHIROPRACTOR HAS PERMANENTLY PUT MY SPINE OUT OF ALLIGNMENT, TOO, I THINK, TO WHERE I WILL NEED ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, OR UNTIL THE MEDICARE COVERAGE RUNS OUT, AND THEN I WILL BE SCREWED, WITH MAJOR BACK PAIN, AND BACK DISCOMFORT. >> >>I THINK MY SPINE WILL NEVER PERMANANTLY HEAL, BACK TO WHAT IT WAS LIKE, WHEN I WAS A NEWBORN BABY. >> >> >>The entire paradigm of health care is bassackwards! >> >> >>YES. >> >>AND THE EDUCATIONAL, AND THE FINANCIAL, AND THE INSURANCE INFRASTRUCTURES / INTRAFUCKTURES ARE ALL IN ON IT TOGETHER; YET IT GOES DEEPER THAN THAT. >> >>MILITARY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. >> >>PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. >> >>FINANCIAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. >> >>MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. >> >>POLITICAL INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. >> >>EDUCATIONAL KOMPLEX. >> >>BANKING KOMPLEX. >> >>AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. >> >>MINING INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. >> >>PLANT HARVESTING KOMPLEX. >> >>ELEKTRICAL ENERGY GENERATION AND DISTRIBUTION >> >>INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX. >> >>SLAVE LABOR WORKERS UNIONS. >> >>ETC...... >> >>AND THERE IS MORE THAT I KNOW THAT I HAVE LEFT OUT, YET CANNOT THINK OF, AT THIS TIME. >> >> >>The money is made not from fee-for-services of healing, but from insurance >>payments, most notably the Socialist Medicare program. >> >>I FEEL LIKE THE PRESIDENTS: THE BUSHES AND THE CLINTON'S EQUALLY, AND MOST OF THE SO-CALLED LEADERSHIP NOW, ARE SOCIALISTS; THEY CARE NOTHING ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS EDUCATION SUCCESS; THEIR ONLY CONCERN IS OVERFLOWING THEIR POCKETS WITH DOUGH, BEFORE THEY ARE KICKED OUT OF OFFICE, AND HAVE NO CONCERN ABOUT EDUCATION TEACHING INDEPENDENT CAPITALISM, AND FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE FOR THE MASSES (WE THE PEOPLE.). >> >>F.D.R. STARTED SOCIAL SLAVERY SO-CALLED SECURITY; BUT HERBERT HOOVER, THE PRECEEDING PRESIDENT BEFORE ROOSEVELT, WAS BLAMED FOR THE DEPRESSION. >> >>SO WHEN WAS THE END OF CAPITALISM BEING TAUGHT, IN THE MAINSTREAM EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, IF IT WAS EVEN EVER TAUGHT AT ALL, IN THE MAINSTREAM EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, FOR THE FINANCIAL SUCCESS AND INDEPENDENCE FOR ALL SMALL BUSINESS ENTHUSIAST AMERICANS, EQUALLY? >> >>I'M CONFUSED AS HELL. >> >>THE FASCIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST FAILING PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL SHITSTEM, DOESN'T TEACH TO BE INDEPENDENT CAPITALISTS; IT TEACHES JOBS, WORKFORCE, AND IN THE END; SOCIAL SLAVERY SO-CALLED SECURITY. >> >>The driving force today, the profit incentive, is to make money from the underwriters by >>selling the patient's illness to the insurers! >> >>The bottom line of medical business today is best served by keeping patients >>ill; NOT curing their ailment. >> >>DAMN STRAIGHT! >> >> >>And all this began when Medicare established "Reasonable and Customary >>Charges!" How does it feel to be a piece of meat in the butcher's market? >>That is ALL the patient is today! Simply a product to be sold to the >>highest bidder. >> >>My great-grandfather delivered babies for three chickens, or a ham. I have >>his old account book. What does that service cost the underwriter today? >> >>Are YOU the customer, or the product to be sold??? >> >>GOOD POINTS! >> >>BUT I'VE LOST MY MIND, AND DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO BACK TO DO ANY FURTHER REVISIONS TO THIS POSTING. >> >>CLYDE >> >> >>-MB >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >>-------------- next part -------------- >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050824/18a9523d/attachment-0001.html >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 4 >>Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 04:47:47 +0000 (GMT) >>From: javilk@mall-net.com >>Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue >> 65 >>To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >>Message-ID: <20050825044747.23716.qmail@mall-net.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> >> >> >> >>>I'D LIKE TO CHECK INTO COLLOIDAL SILVER, TO FIND OUT IF THAT MAY BE OF >>> >>> >>> >>> >>SOME BENEFIT TO MYSELF, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS AS WELL. >> >> Only if you have some kind of infection. Longer term use colloidal >>silver produces a PERMANENTLY gray pallor. I've seen in in some older >>folks who used colloidal silver before the antibiotics revolution of the >>mid to late 50's. it does not look good! Maybe not quite "tin man", but >>mildly disturbing to see. >> >> >> >> >> >>>THE DOCTORS WERE CONTINUALLY DOING PULSE OX. TESTS ON ME, AND MY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>OXYGEN LEVEL ALWAYS CHECKED OUT GOOD; >> >> Why were they doing that? Do they realize that the Pulsox method >>of sensing oxygen will not detect carbon monoxide poisoning? People >>with carbon monoxide poisoning typically look a little reddish because >>CO bound hemoglobin is as red or redder than oxygen bound hemoglobin. >> >> >> >> >> >>>*I WONDER IF MY SYSTEM COULD BE FAR TOO ACIDIC, OR FAR TOO ALKALINE? >>>DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW I CAN CHECK THOSE TWO THINGS? >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Urine pH. You can get some pH strips; just get something which is a >>little narrower in range, say 5.5 - 7, so that there is good color >>separation between the bands. 5.2 - 7.8 isn't that bad; but it's easier >>to tell the color change when the band is narrower. >> >> This will not tell you blood pH; but in a reasonably healthy >>person, the kidneys adjust blood pH, so if your urine is alkaline, your >>blood tends to be also. >> >> Sleep apnea is more common in people who have alkaline blood. >>Acidity drives respiration. Raising blood acidity will make you breathe >>deeper to adjust it. >> >> >> >> >> >>>I'D LIKE TO BE CHEMICALLY NEUTRAL, IF POSSIBLE.* >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Don't know if that is a good idea. >> >> >> >> >> >>>helps chelate out toxic metals as well as modulating cytochrome P450 metabolic pathway. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> I have chelation therapy with disodium EDTA periodically. It >>helps. If this is a problem, one needs to make sure one is getting >>enough salt, as those with porphyria tend to dump salts just before a >>major attack. >> >> >> >> >> >>>MY CARDIOVASCULAR STRESS IS CONSTANTLY HIGH; COULD IT BE HARDENING, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>AND / OR DAMAGING MY VESSELS AND ARTERIES? >> >> If you get enough vitamin C and magnesium, and can keep the blood >>pressure down, it would be better. Garlic and onions will lower blood >>pressure, but can get you fired from jobs where you have to deal with >>the public. (Unless, maybe, you can deal with a good Italian >>community.) >> >> >> >> >> >>>THIS GOAL ORIENTED PERFECTIONISM OF MINE, HAS GONE TOO FAR, AND I AM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>PAYING FOR IT, WITH OVERWHELMING STRESS, HEALTH TROUBLES. >> >> Remember, it is more perfect to get things done, than to not get >>them done. And many times, when you get the thing done, you see that >>something else is needed, so the perfectionism delayed things and made >>them more expensive. Most needs change. Perfectionism is often very >>inflexible when it comes to meeting changing needs. >> >> >> >> >> >>>I probably have a combined heme and methylation problem and perhaps >>>pyroluric and celiac as well as a buncha' otha' crap wrong. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Every been tested for porphyria? >> >> >> >> >> >>>Anyway-got my problems sorted out-but it took a lot of research and I >>>had trouble with local m.d.'s (they were rather limited >>>intellectually-and couldn't believe a patient had more research skills >>>and better diagnostic insight than themselves >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Yep. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>I'VE STARTED TAKING NATURE MADE BRAND, MULTIVITAMINS USUALLY EVERY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>DAY NOW, WITH AN OCCASIONAL VITAMIN B COMPLEX STRESS REDUCEMENT VITAMIN, >>ALONG WITH ZINC, ON OCCASION. > I HAVE THE NATURE MADE BRAND, >>MULTIVITAMIN BOX, HERE IN FRONT OF MYSELF, AND IT SHOWS THAT IT CONTAINS >>2 mG'S OF COPPER (OXIDE) IN ITS MIXTURE; NEXT TO THAT, IT READS: 100%, >>UNDER THE %DV AMOUNT PER TABLET, AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMN. > I DO NOT >>KNOW WHAT THE (% OF) *DV* STANDS FOR. >> >> Probably means Daily Value, as opposed to the FDA's RDA (Recommended >>Daily Allowance), which is usually geared to an underweight sedentary >>worker. >> >> >> >> >> >>>I AM NOW WONDERING IF THE DOCTORS OF CADUCEUS CRAP HAVE CAUSED >>> >>> >>> >>> >>PERMANENT IRREVERSIBLE HARM, TO MY CARDIOVASCULAR ARRANGEMENT. > I THINK >>I AM HAVING DRUG INDUCED SLEEP APNEA NOW, AT NIGHT TIME, DURING SLEEP. > >>I WAKE UP AT TIMES, FEELING AS THOUGH I'M GOING TO SUFFOCATE IN MY >>SLEEP, AND ALSO WAKE UP WITH NUMBNESS IN MY ARMS AND LEGS AT TIMES TOO, >>AND BAD ACHING PAINS IN MY CHEST, IN THE MORNINGS. >> >> That almost sounds like carbon monoxide poisoning. It could also >>be a pillow allergy, misalignment of the neck due to a bad pillow, and >>some other things. >> >> >> >> >> >>>I NEED BETTER TESTS RUN ON MYSELF, TO DETERMINE EVERYTHING THAT COULD >>> >>> >>> >>> >>BE WRONG. > THOSE TESTES AREN'T CHEAP THOUGH, FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, >>AND I AM NOT WEALTHY; SO I CANNOT AFFORD EXPENSIVE TESTS TO BE PERFORMED >>ON MYSELF. >> >> That is a problem. Some things you can test yourself. Typing >>speed or speed in tapping some pattern as if on a musical instrument can >>be a window onto neurological function. >> >> Even if you don't find ways of proving or disproving specific >>hypotheses, you can run tests of performance, such as finger >>coordination, lung volume, or maybe how many pushups or pullups you can >>do, and try to correlate them to foods, medicines, and where you are. >> >> For example, if you can get some means of measuring lung volume or >>breath strength, you can see if you do better in the morning, before >>going to work, later in the day at work, mid evening at home, and just >>before bed time. This should give you a clue about exposures and >>allergens. If the morning is bad, then bed and pillow, or laundry >>detergents become suspect. (You are not using fabric softener, are you? >>Number one suspect in night time problems is fabric softener and >>detergent. And then gas appliances and ventilation.) >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>IT HAS GONE ON FOR SO LONG NOW THAT I AM NEXT TO DEPERATE FOR >>> >>> >>> >>> >>ALTERNATIVES THAT WORK, FOR THE REDUCTION OF ALL OF THE OVERWHELMING >>STRESS THAT I FEEL. > PEACE. > OH, HOW I DESPERATELY NEED PEACE IN MY >>LIFE NOW. >> >> When we find and eliminate what is triggering your adrenals, your >>whole sense of what is going on will change for the better. >> >>http://www.acu-cellresearch.com >> >> Not a working site. Tried both acu and accu. Do you mean >>http://www.acu-cell.com perchance? >> >> >> >> >> >>>>Clyde-do me a favor! Please do not cut and paste my >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>stuff >> >>DO YOU MEAN BOTH CUT AND PASTE, WHILE ADDING CURSE WORDS TO >>IT, AT THE SAME TIME? >>OR ARE YOU ONLY WANTING ME TO EXCLUDE ANY >>CURSE WORDS? >> >> Hi John: I understand that,about acepted protocol,and I care about Clyde-I just don't want my stuff to look like it's a bunch of cursing! You got the address right ON the nutrition webpage-sorry about that-it was from memory HA! SO, Attention please, EVERYONE: Please note John got the acu-cell thing right! Pay no attention to the woman behind the Curtain (Wizard of OZ reference). Lisa >> >> >> > > > >>It is well accepted internet protocol to edit out sections of the >>previous reply which are no longer relevant to the discussion. >> >> Curse words and diatribes, we can all do without. They basically >>show that you are up against the wall and no longer thinking clearly. >>We know that already from the capitalization. But sometimes that IS >>life, and we rooting for you, hoping you'll get better and feel more >>comfortable with your life to the point where you can see beyond the >>diatribes and stereotypes. Meanwhile, you are telling us that you are >>alive! And we do want to hear that. >> >>-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) >>CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. >>Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. >>My opinions are subject to the availability of information. >>I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. >> >>For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices >>orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. >>Today's Art Photo >> Chem / Fungus allergies >> Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. >> Arthritis >>Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. >>Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Mad-Scientists mailing list >>Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >>http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists >> >> >>End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 67 >>********************************************** >> >> >> >> >> > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:42:25 -0700 (PDT) >From: clyde lofton >Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Picture of a Chain Smoker (Humor) >To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List >Message-ID: <20050827174225.35764.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > >Picture of a Chain Smoker. > >Maybe it won't make you look that bad, buy why risk it? > >http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-08/27/content_3409751.htm > >THAT IS PRETTY FUNNY! > >CLYDE > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050827/88f9d4d4/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:07:56 -0700 (PDT) >From: clyde lofton >Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue > 67 >To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List >Message-ID: <20050827180756.23225.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > > > > >>AND I AM NOT WEALTHY; SO I CANNOT AFFORD EXPENSIVE TESTS TO BE PERFORMED >>ON MYSELF. >> >>That is a problem. Some things you can test yourself. Typing >>speed or speed in tapping some pattern as if on a musical instrument can >>be a window onto neurological function. >> >> > >YEAH; I AM GOOD AT PERCUSSION. > >I'D OWN MY OWN D.W. (DRUM WORKSHOP) ACOUSTIC DRUM KIT, IF I COULD AFFORD IT. > > > >>Even if you don't find ways of proving or disproving specific >>hypotheses, you can run tests of performance, such as finger >>coordination, lung volume, or maybe how many pushups or pullups you can >>do, and try to correlate them to foods, medicines, and where you are. >> >>For example, if you can get some means of measuring lung volume or >>breath strength, you can see if you do better in the morning, before >>going to work, later in the day at work, mid evening at home, and just >>before bed time. This should give you a clue about exposures and >>allergens. If the morning is bad, then bed and pillow, or laundry >>detergents become suspect. (You are not using fabric softener, are you? >> >> > >YEAH; I USE FABRIC SOFTENERS FOR MY CLOTHES. > > > > >>Number one suspect in night time problems is fabric softener and >>detergent. And then gas appliances and ventilation.) >> >> > > >IF I COULD AFFORD IT, I'D PURACHASE ONE OF THOSE PORTABLE CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTERS, FROM > > > > >>>IT HAS GONE ON FOR SO LONG NOW THAT I AM NEXT TO DEPERATE FOR >>> >>> >ALTERNATIVES THAT WORK, FOR THE REDUCTION OF ALL OF THE OVERWHELMING > > >>STRESS THAT I FEEL. > PEACE. > OH, HOW I DESPERATELY NEED PEACE IN MY >>LIFE NOW. >> >>When we find and eliminate what is triggering your adrenals, your >>whole sense of what is going on will change for the better. >> >> > > >I'D LIKE TO CHECK FOR CARBON MONOXIDE, BUT CANNOT AFFORD ONE OF THOSE DETECTORS. > > >http://www.acu-cell.com > > >THANKS FOR SHARING THIS SITE. > >CLYDE > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050827/1b9d71a7/attachment.html > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Mad-Scientists mailing list >Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG >http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > >End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 79 >********************************************** > > > Hi-I did wonder if I had "Porphyria" but I never broke down with the same kinds of problems others I knew of did-plus I am not terribly white-skinned like they were either. It may be there is a minor gentic variant of Porphyria-that is actually closer to the Pyroluria diagnosis. I just know that I need tremendous amounts of B-Vitamins to be healthy, my youngest sister is now breaking down with some type of serious Anemia. She is ten years nearly younger than me-I sent the family info. on how to combat the loss of Intrinsic Factor (handles B-12 absorption and helps with prevention of Dementia). Another thing I have discovered has to do with infection with the bacterium, Helicobacter Pylorii. If you get infected with this-you may present with some very atypical symptoms. If you do not manage to suppress it or cure it, several things may occur besides the sterotypical stomach ulcers. The problems may range rather widely. It is horrifying to think that about half of my health problems sprang directly from infection with this bacterium. From what I gather, there are about 17 subtypes or variants of this bacterium and it is ubiquitous. It is difficult to remain infection free, as well. GREAT! (sarcasm). I CRASHED in response to this infection-now, so are family members as they hit mid-life, 3 out of 4 sisters! One, with some autoimmune problems and Anemia, One with Rosacea and Cancers, Me with Sjogren's Syndrome, Adult Asthma, Fibromyalgia, etc! I found medical journal citations that point to this common bacterium as being a root cause of many of these autoimmune difficulties. However mainstream medicine is SO SLOW to recognize new information and therapies that it has been an outrageous struggle for me to climb out of the pit and get well. I feel so frustrated and hopeless at times myself, that it is all I can do to keep trying to get well. I share this information as broadly as possible so that others do not go as far into the hole as I did from this nasty little bug that the M.D.'s are far too relaxed about. The AP Therapy I mentioned goes under a few other names-It is called the Marshall Protocol when you also avoid Vitamin D, I think. But the true originator of Antibiotic Therapy Protocol was a Dr. in England in the 1950's named Dr. Thomas MacPherson-Brown, he discovered that patients with various Rheumatoid and autoimmune type illnesses got better, or damage ceased on AP therapy. This is an OLD program-but neglected. Think about this-if a cheap antibiotic just about cured some of these supposed autoimmune problems and Rheumatoid problems and you were a traditionally educated Rheumatologist who had a hefty practice of sick people-and the LATEST EXPEMSIVE PHARMACEUTICALLY and STANDARD OF CARE APPROVED therapies, rather than the slow ride of long-term antibiotics, which would YOU, a typically BRAIN-WASHED M.D. TRUST? ESPECIALLY if you could get snapped as not doing what you ought, by using this other approach? HMMMMM?! And the same goes for the currently accepted SHORT-TERM Antibiotic Therapy for LYME-which I and my sisters had been exposed to also. We're ALL SICK as dogs now. I had the bull's eye rash as well, and all I got was a antihistamine shot! My youngest sister got short term ABX. Then nothing, now here she is breaking down a decade later with some weird autoimmune also-some of it probably OLD undertreated LYME Disease and some of it undiagnosed H.Pylorii infection. ATTENTION: The following address details information for an EXTREMELY wide range of health issues that AP Therapy can help. Do not hesitate-if you are stricken, or someone you love is suffering. I am back to my feet again, from using this therapy. The Doctor who TURNED DOWN my request for this therapy-is a BELIEVER now. Although I do not see him as my Physician now, I do still cross paths with him occasionally. This therapy works for some things that no one knows the underlying cause of (FOR CERTAIN). Iit is a sadly neglected therapy for all kinds of Connective Tissue and Collagen Diseases as well as a HOST of OTHER AILMENTS. I found out PERSONALLY that it works-and strangely most of the SUPPOSED Disease Self-Help SITES try to assure you it is not a valid approach. WRONG! The people who run those foundations are often as BRAIN-WASHED as the M.D.'s. I found that so horrifying, to think that there was something out there that could STOP the damage already done from progressing further. When you see someone in pain, with gnarled joints, or dying from Scleroderma-it is a very-deep-soul-angering experience to know there is a suppressed therapy that gives many their lives back. CAN YOU HEAR ME SCREAM? I wish it wasn't that way. Anyway, If you want to learn more-go to www.roadback.org The folks there will help you find a doctor who does this therapy. My best to you all! Did I answer all questions? Sometimes I lose track! Lisa From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Aug 28 10:00:37 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Aug 28 10:00:45 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 10, Issue 79u In-Reply-To: <4311D56E.6050006@swbell.net> from "Tim" at Aug 28, 2005 10:17:02 AM Message-ID: <20050828170037.65496.qmail@mall-net.com> Tim/Lisa... It would be really nice if you trimmed off the stuff you were not replying to, as I just did, so we don't have to scroll down through a huge bunch of stuff to get to your text. That's customary for e-mail since it's inception. > Hi-I did wonder if I had "Porphyria" but I never broke down with the > same kinds of problems others I knew of did-plus I am not terribly > white-skinned like they were either. It may be there is a minor gentic > variant of Porphyria-that is actually closer to the Pyroluria diagnosis. There are many variations of porphyria / porphyrinuria. Some have very little symptomology till one is exposed to certain chemicals, others are constant. > helps with prevention of Dementia). Another thing I have discovered has > to do with infection with the bacterium, Helicobacter Pylorii. If you > get infected with this-you may present with some very atypical symptoms. > If you do not manage to suppress it or cure it, several things may occur > besides the sterotypical stomach ulcers. The problems may range rather > widely. HP is synergistic with Candida Albecans. It's kind of interesting that the cure for some types of porphyria is the high carb diet that favors Candida; while the diet for Candida, being low carb, favors porphyria. > It is horrifying to think that about half of my health problems sprang > directly from infection with this bacterium. From what I gather, there > are about 17 subtypes or variants of this bacterium and it is > ubiquitous. It is difficult to remain infection free, as well. GREAT! > (sarcasm). I CRASHED in response to this infection-now, so are family > members as they hit mid-life, 3 out of 4 sisters! One, with some > autoimmune problems and Anemia, One with Rosacea and Cancers, Me with > Sjogren's Syndrome, Adult Asthma, Fibromyalgia, etc! Interesting. > > I found medical journal citations that point to this common bacterium as > being a root cause of many of these autoimmune difficulties. However > mainstream medicine is SO SLOW to recognize new information and > therapies that it has been an outrageous struggle for me to climb out of > the pit and get well. I feel so frustrated and hopeless at times myself, > that it is all I can do to keep trying to get well. Yes! > approach? HMMMMM?! And the same goes for the currently accepted > SHORT-TERM Antibiotic Therapy for LYME-which I and my sisters had been > exposed to also. We're ALL SICK as dogs now. I had the bull's eye rash > as well, and all I got was a antihistamine shot! My youngest sister got > short term ABX. Then nothing, now here she is breaking down a decade > later with some weird autoimmune also-some of it probably OLD > undertreated LYME Disease and some of it undiagnosed H.Pylorii infection. And the typical antibiotic treatments for Lyme, H. Pylorii, etc. so often result in Candida Albecans overgrowth, leading to immune collapse. Interesting site: http://www.lymephotos.com Intersting hypothesis: It's the other stuff that comes with it. Ever have live cell microscopy done? It's visual inspection of your blood. Usually with chronically ill, the blood is loaded with "bugs" of all kinds. All you need, is a high powered microscope with a darkfield attachment. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Aug 28 11:17:16 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Aug 28 11:17:23 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Physics: Standard Model Flawed In-Reply-To: <20050828170037.65496.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Aug 28, 2005 05:00:37 PM Message-ID: <20050828181716.13038.qmail@mall-net.com> Today's Astronomy Picture of the Day has an interesting piece on an experiment whihc suggests something is wrng with the Standard Model of physics. Since I know some of you are into quantum smashing, this could be of interest. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/pr/2001/bnlpr020801.htm -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no physicist, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as physics advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Aug 28 11:20:14 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sun Aug 28 11:20:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Intelligent design (again) Message-ID: <006501c5abfd$23d0f6e0$6601a8c0@mikey> I have some questions for all the Creationists out there who espouse the teaching of "Intelligent Design." Do you know of any building that didn't have a builder? [YES] [NO] Do you know of any painting that didn't have a painter? [YES] [NO] Do you know of any car that didn't have a maker? [YES] [NO] If the existence of a Creator is necessary, then who, or what, created the Creator? And who/what created the Creator's creator? And who/what created the Creator's creator's creator? And who/what created the Creator's creator's creator's creator? And who/what created the Creator's creator's creator's creator's creator? And so on, ad infinitum. -MB From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Aug 28 11:24:25 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sun Aug 28 11:24:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Marketing the hydrogen economy for profit Message-ID: <006601c5abfd$b857e210$6601a8c0@mikey> I just saw a TV ad from BP. They had several "man on the street" comments regarding the "proven problem of global warming." Then the narrator came on and told us that "BP is working to produce electricity from hydrogen." EXACTLY from where the hell do they get the hydrogen? Burning their oil, no doubt. What bullshit liars! But I'll betcha at least a million ignorant kneeo-jerks believe it! -MB From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Aug 28 11:36:11 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sun Aug 28 11:36:17 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Interplanetary radiation shielding solution Message-ID: <006701c5abff$5d69c470$6601a8c0@mikey> Trash bags!! http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/25aug_plasticspaceships.htm From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Aug 28 12:16:20 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 28 12:16:29 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Future / Startrek / Money Message-ID: In a message dated 8/26/2005 10:08:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: The people who get drawn into the secret society deals are generally people who are not able to make it on their own! They are mentally weak, inept, and so just not important. And once they turn into an us vs them frame of mind, they are doomed! They start blaming everything on "Them", and so stop trying to do anything with themselves. It's plain stupidity multiplied. Care full there, all but perhaps four or five of our American Presidents have been Free Masons. Then I forget all the people but, Ben Franklin, and pears, was one of our earliest leaders to belong to a group called " Hell Fire ." Then as Clyde mentioned ,the Skull and Cross Bone Society. Men and woman from the beginning of time have had their SECRET society's from the artists and shamans who painted caves, to todays woman who join Eastern Star, an off shoot of the Masons. We had the Guilds in Europe that not only kept the trade secrets of the members but also policed itself to insure perfection in the craft the members did. Few people can MAKE IT ON THEIR OWN. It takes a family, to raise a child, teachers, friends , indeed a whole "Village To Raise a Child. " No one is Tarzan, or Romulas or Rhemius. The largest secret society has all ways been the Church-------All and every one from 50,000bc to August 27, 2005. >>> And once they turn into an us vs them frame of mind, they are doomed! They start >>>>blaming everything on "Them", and so stop trying to do anything with themselves. >>>>It's plain stupidity multiplied. NO< NO< NO John, had we thought in the above way, what would have been the result of Viet Nahm???? We may have won that one !!!!!!! If we had not thought this way, 60 or so years ago, would we be speaking German, Japanese, or Russian today ???? Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050828/93d9b3bc/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Aug 28 12:22:56 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 28 12:23:09 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Future / Startrek / Money Message-ID: <1e9.430c35ae.30436910@aol.com> In a message dated 8/26/2005 10:52:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: Excuse me, I meant that there is more public display of sexuality than in the upper rungs. The upper rungs are more cultural, and are more private about things. Lord help me, I am splitting a gut here. Got to get my inhalator and a glass of water. Thanks John, you made my day Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050828/3f16c486/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Aug 28 12:40:56 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Aug 28 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Intelligent design (again) In-Reply-To: <006501c5abfd$23d0f6e0$6601a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Aug 28, 2005 02:20:14 PM Message-ID: <20050828194056.69872.qmail@mall-net.com> > I have some questions for all the Creationists out there who espouse the > teaching of "Intelligent Design." > > Do you know of any building that didn't have a builder? [YES] [NO] Yes. A committee. > Do you know of any painting that didn't have a painter? [YES] [NO] Um, Pablo Picasso? > Do you know of any car that didn't have a maker? [YES] [NO] Fiat! or was it Citroen, the origin of the term Lemon applied to a car? > If the existence of a Creator is necessary, then who, or what, created the > Creator? His mother, hence Saddam's comment about "Mother of God!" > And who/what created the Creator's creator? That's pre-herstory. The proper study of the intelligent design of the universe is called physics and astronomy. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Aug 28 18:02:30 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sun Aug 28 18:02:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Tesla and Katrina Message-ID: <000701c5ac35$556ce050$6601a8c0@mikey> Within 24 hours, the Cat 5 hurricane, Katrina, will impact New Orleans. New Orleans is below sea level, protected by levees and pumps- pumps designed by Nikola Tesla, powered by Tesla dynamos, all built by George Westinghouse. They are Tesla two-phase AC motors with six-foot diameter armatures, powered by their own two-phase dynamos operating at twenty Hertz, independent of the commercial mains. These pumps have the ability to pump the entire Mississippi river dry. Tomorrow, we shall see the vindication of the Great Master. When New Orleans survives Katrina, it will be due to the brilliance of Nikola Tesla. Watch in awe as the century-old technology of the greatest genius in history defeats the worst of what Mother Nature can offer. -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Aug 28 18:31:49 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Aug 28 18:31:53 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ABSOLUTE HEALTH STANDARDS. In-Reply-To: <20050827230703.60240.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 27, 2005 04:07:03 PM Message-ID: <20050829013149.71141.qmail@mall-net.com> > PHYSICS OFFERS WHOLISTIC ABSOLUTIONS. Absolution is a washing of sins, a forgiveness, not a cure. > ANTIMONEY IS PREVENTING ME Antimoney has no power other than what you give it. Money is what you lack. There is no antimoney, unless you consider food, clothing, shelter, etc. antimoney. But they are useful things, not anti-things. > GROSS OVERKILL IS RIGHT, LIKE YOU SAID IN ANOTHER POSTING; BUT MY PERFECTIONISM WANTS A PROJECT THAT HAS ABSOLUTE INTEGRITY IN ITS WORKMANSHIP. > NO ROOM FOR MISTAKES FOR ME! If you do not allow for mistakes, you will never learn anything. You can calculate everything out, be perfect in your calculations, and never find out there is a better way. > PORPHYRIA, AND: PYROLURIA. > > THE NEXT TIME THAT I GO TO MY M.D. PHYSICIAN, I WILL ASK TO HAVE A TEST DONE, FOR BOTH OF THOSE. The porphyria tests are going to be very hard to persuade, unless you can get something showing that some relative of yours had porphyria or some condition suggesting porphyria. And in many cases, they will not run the right tests, so as not to have to treat you for it. > I CAN'T REMEMBER IF YOU MENTIONED IN THE PAST, IF PORPHYRIA AND HEART ATTACKS ARE LINKED,,, OR IF THEY CAN BE LINKED? > I DO REMEMBER THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE PORPHYRIA HAVE ALCOHOLIC, AND ABUSIVE MENTAL (ENVIRONMENTAL) ILLNESS PERSONALITIES. That is quite possible. But not sufficient proof. > And need to get a GOOD carbon monoxide detector, NOT one of the UL > approved pieces of junk! UL approval means they WILL NOT detect down to > the 10ppm range which harms many people. See http://www.aeromedix.com > > WHAT I FORGOT AND LEFT OUT OF THE LAST SENT E-MAIL WAS: > > IS THE AEROMEDIX CO EXPERTS 2004 PORTABLE CO DETECTOR THE VERY BEST ONE AVAILABLE, FOR AS LITTLE MONEY INVESTMENT AS IS POSSIBLE? The best I found. > Evolutions are better, gentler, and more satisfying to all > concerned. > > And, because they are more gradual, as we learn, we get to > do better. Revolutions are basically one-shot deals in which another > class of people take control and, well, screw everyone else. > > SO THEN YOU THINK THAT WE ALL NEED A HEALTHCARE EVOLUTION THEN???????? health care is evolving... not all in the right direction, but at least the alternative medicine arena is gaining some respect. Though quite frankly, a good part of it deserves NO respect. It's just very hard to know which part! Damned thing is, the language many of them use is wrong, while there are some successes. So conventional medicine "disproves" the therapy by attacking the language, not the results. They don't bother looking at WHY the successes, just that they can demolish it by proving the language is wrong. > THE WAR MACHINE NEEDS TO TURN INTO THE THERAPY MACHINE, EQUAL FOR ALL; EQUAL FOR EVERYONE, EQUALLY! The war machine you speak of does not exist. It is many different companies supplying parts and services to the manufacture of weapons, including aircraft and missiles. Those can not simply turn to making health, because the parts are so different. And as we saw in the recession of the 1990's, if we turn off war production, our technology base erodes, our economy falters as it starts changing direction, etc. And then, when our enemies see us as weak, they attack in the most absurd ways! While 9/11 was a tactical success, from the strategic point of view, it caused more harm to Salami been Loaded's cause than just about anything he could do other than shooting his own people. He must have been loaded with something to think he could win a war like that with one stupid stunt and ZERO follow through! Instead, he destroyed his allies Afghanistan and Iraq, got his people a terrible reputation, stopped a lot of Moslem missions in their slow and quiet work, etc. You know, he might have done more damage than if he HAD shot his top men himself! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 28 18:52:27 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 28 18:52:34 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY TO VESTA. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050829015227.43987.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 8/26/2005 10:08:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: Then as Clyde mentioned, the Skull and Cross Bones Society. AS I HAVE READ; FORMER PRESIDENT: WILLIAM TAFT, WAS A BONESMAN LIKE THE BUSHES AND THE KERRY'S, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER EVIDENCE OF ANY OTHER PRESIDENTS OF THE PAST, BEING BONESMEN. Men and woman from the beginning of time have had their SECRET society's from the artists and shamans who painted caves, YEAH; I'VE HEARD THAT EVEN THE JAPANESE HAVE THEIR OWN SECRET SOCIETIES AS WELL. to todays women who join Eastern Star, an off shoot of the Masons. I KNEW THAT THERE IS A WOMEN OFFSHOOT OF FREEMASONRY, BUT I NEVER LOOKED INTO IT. I WONDER IF EASTERN STAR HAS AN OFFSHOOT OF ITSELF THAT SUPPORTS FEMALE / GIRL LESBIANISM, JUST AS THE OFFSHOOT OF FREEMASONRY; KNOWN AS THE ORDER OF DE MOLAY SUPPORTS THE RITUAL ABUSE OF BOYS, AND ALSO SUPPORTS DISNEY CORPORATION, AND MORE THAN LIKELY ALSO SUPPORTS THE HOMOSEXUALIZATION OF DISNEY. CLYDE Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050828/aea9a54c/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 28 18:56:03 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 28 18:56:09 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Tesla and Katrina In-Reply-To: <000701c5ac35$556ce050$6601a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050829015603.64170.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Michael Best wrote: Within 24 hours, the Cat 5 hurricane, Katrina, will impact New Orleans. New Orleans is below sea level, protected by levees and pumps- pumps designed by Nikola Tesla, powered by Tesla dynamos, all built by George Westinghouse. They are Tesla two-phase AC motors with six-foot diameter armatures, powered by their own two-phase dynamos operating at twenty Hertz, independent of the commercial mains. These pumps have the ability to pump the entire Mississippi river dry. Tomorrow, we shall see the vindication of the Great Master. When New Orleans survives Katrina, it will be due to the brilliance of Nikola Tesla. Watch in awe as the century-old technology of the greatest genius in history defeats the worst of what Mother Nature can offer. NOW THAT IS F'IN' AWESOME! THANKS FOR SHARING THIS COOL INFO. CLYDE -MB --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050828/b0c55593/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Aug 28 22:18:58 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Aug 28 22:19:03 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Intelligent design (again) In-Reply-To: <006501c5abfd$23d0f6e0$6601a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050829051859.3241.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Michael Best < mbest@triad.rr.com > wrote: I have some questions for all the Creationists out there who espouse the teaching of "Intelligent Design." Do you know of any building that didn't have a builder? [YES] [NO] NO. Do you know of any painting that didn't have a painter? [YES] [NO] NO. Do you know of any car that didn't have a maker? [YES] [NO] NO If the existence of a Creator is necessary, WHICH IT IS NOT..... then who, or what, created the Creator? A SELF HEALING PERPERTUAL MOTION / ENERGY MACHINE, THAT IS SELF CONSCIOUS, AND THAT LIVES FOREVER. And who/what created the Creator's creator? And who/what created the Creator's creator's creator? And who/what created the Creator's creator's creator's creator? And who/what created the Creator's creator's creator's creator's creator? And so on, ad infinitum. I ASK: IF A CREATOR EXISTS, THEN WHY ISN'T ABSOLUTE PERFECTION ETERNAL? AND IF ABSOLUTE PERFECTION EXISTS, THEN WHY CAN'T IT BE INFINITE, ABSOLUTE, OMNIDIMENSION, AND ETERNAL, FOREVER? AND YES: I SPELLED OMNIDIMENSION CORRECTLY, AND NOT AS OMNIDIMESION*AL*. OMNIDIMENSION CAN BE INFINITE ABSOLUTE ETERNAL CONCRETE, OR OTHER IMAGINABLE FORMS, SUCH AS ICE. BUT IF A CREATOR EXISTS, WHY CAN'T HE BE FROZEN FOREVER, PEACEFULLY FOREVER, IN ANTITIME, FOREVER? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. CLYDE -MB __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050828/441bfe1c/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 29 00:22:13 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 29 00:22:30 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Reminder web addresses. In-Reply-To: <20050829054017.6389.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 28, 2005 10:40:17 PM Message-ID: <20050829072213.81939.qmail@mall-net.com> > ARE YOU ABLE TO PUT ALL OF THE WEBLINKS > THAT I'VE COMPILED, ONTO YOUR WEBSITE, > AS YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU CAN DO, IN ONE > OF YOUR PAST REPLY'S? I could feed it to our crawler to have the sites crawled for titles, etc. I'll see if we can get the crawler back together after I move... If we can ever get anyone to drag this trailer to the new site. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 29 00:27:52 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 29 00:27:59 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Intelligent design (again) In-Reply-To: <20050829051859.3241.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 28, 2005 10:18:58 PM Message-ID: <20050829072752.84210.qmail@mall-net.com> > I ASK: IF A CREATOR EXISTS, THEN WHY ISN'T ABSOLUTE PERFECTION ETERNAL? God has a headache! He knows everything, knows the outcome of everything, and he is bored out of his wits! > AND IF ABSOLUTE PERFECTION EXISTS, THEN WHY CAN'T IT BE INFINITE, ABSOLUTE, OMNIDIMENSION, AND ETERNAL, FOREVER? Some user assembly required. Isn't half the fun of getting presents, putting them together? > IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. Religion isn't supposed to make sense. It's a con job to keep priests occupied, and people paying. The priests are supposed to atone for our sins, pray for us, and otherwise KEEP BUSY so we don't have to. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 29 00:54:02 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 29 00:54:05 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Flying Spagetti Monsterism (fwd) Message-ID: <20050829075402.99936.qmail@mall-net.com> Since you are such a passionate protector of science, I hope you have seen and enjoyed the recent stuff circulating the internet on Flying Spagetti Monsterism. It's a response to the Kansas Board of Ed, which is deciding (6-4) to include equal time for "Intelligent Design" and evolutionary theory. http://www.venganza.org/index.htm Enjoy! -- Andrea Frankel (andreafrankel at sbcglobal dot net) "wake now! Discover that YOU are the song that the morning brings..." From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 29 01:36:36 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 29 01:36:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY, PART TWO: MONEY. In-Reply-To: <20050828064008.13466.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050829083636.18662.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: I NEED HELP, TO FIND THE RIGHT NICHE AND MARKET. INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, BROADCAST, AMATEUR RADIO REPEATERS, INSTITUTIONAL, MILITARY, HOSPITAL, ETC..... : WHICHEVER AND WHATEVER ONE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now you are thinking. What features do they need? What features? How about plug your stereo in through the clock, and get the time at programmed intervals. THAT IS PART OF THE IDEA! 1ST: SECOND MARKER TICKS, JUST LIKE IN THE SHORTWAVE BROADCAST TRANSMISSION OF W.W.V., PRODUCED BY THE VOLTAGE CONTROL OF SOUND SYNTHESIS EQUIPMENT, AS PART OF, OR SEPERATE FROM, THE TALKING CLOCK UNIT, VOLTAGE CONTROLLABLE BY A G.P.S. RECEIVER. 2ND: VOICE SYNTHESIS ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE TIME: THE HOUR AND THE MINUTE/S, ON THE TOP OF EVERY MINUTE. 3RD: AUDIO DISTRIBUTION OF THE TALKING CLOCK, WITH A DISTRIBUTION AMPLIFIER / DISTRIBUTION AMPLIFIERS. HOSPITALS MIGHT BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL APPLICATION FOR SUCH A TALKING CLOCK; MAYBE AIRPORTS TOO. What about internet timebase? INTERNET TRANSMISSION OF THE AUDIO SIGNAL IS FAR FAR TOO SLOW. THE GLOBAL POSITIONING SYSTEM IS THE MOST EFFICIENT, AND I'VE ALREADY SPOKE TO THE W.W.V. ENGINEERS, WHO SAID THAT INTERNET TRANSMISSION OF THE W.W.V. AUDIO IS PRESENTLY NOT AN OPTION. What about other uses??? MAYBE: HOSPITALS, HOTELS, AND AIRPORTS? > So look for another project. Tons of things waiting! > THERE ARE ZERO OTHER THINGS WAITING. Find one! That brain of yours should be cooking up new projects all the time, if you just don't obsess over one. AN IDEA CAME TO MIND YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, WHEN I TRIED TO FINISH MOWING THE GODDAMNED LAWN, WHICH I COULDN'T, BECAUSE OF THE DAMNED TERRENTIAL RAINS, DURING THIS PAST WEEK, TURNING THE DAMED GRASS INTO A MILE HIGH GRASS JUNGLE, MAKING IT VERY DIFFICULT TO FINISH MOWING, AND I STILL HAVEN'T FINISHED MOWING. HURRICANE KATRINA, DOWN IN THE GULF RIGHT NOW, IS RAISING GASOLINE PRICES EVEN FURTHER. I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE TO WORK ANY LONGER IF COSTS OF GASOLINE GO UP ANY FURTHER, AND THE GASOLINE FOR THE NONSENSICAL GASOLINE CARBON MONOXIDE SPEWING LAWN MOWER WILL BE OUT OF THE QUESTION. FOOD AND FUEL PRICES ARE TOO HIGH, AND GEORGE BUSH AND DICKHEAD CHENEY: NEED IMPEACHMENT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND BILL CLINTON, AND HILLARY CLINTON TOO. I AM SICK OF POLITICIANS. AN IDEA: LAWN DEHYDRATORS POSSIBLY, TO DRY THE GRASS, FROM THE OVERKILL HUMIDITY, DURING THE OKLAHOMA SUMMER. > Don't knock apartment complexes. I HATE APARTMENT KOMMUNISM-PLEXES AS EQUALLY AS TRAILOR PARKS. ALL OF IT: BUILT TO BURN, WHEN THEY CATCH FIRE; INCLUDING THE MIDDLE CLASS FASCIST BOX SLUMBURBS JUST AS WELL. > They are often nice places to live if you have the income. Of course, you have to chose a good one. NOT! > NOT EVEN ONE APARTMENT KOMMUNISM-PLEX IS A NICE PLACE FOR ME. I lived in several very nice ones in California. I DON'T LIKE APARTMENTS. I CAN'T LISTEN TO MY MUSIC LOUD, AND I COULDN'T HAVE A LOUD DRUMSET EITHER, IN APARTMENT KOMMUNISM-PLEXES. > I CANNOT DEAL WITH PEOPLE VERY WELL; THAT IS MY HANGUP, I GUESS. > SEXUAL PROBLEM'S IN MY YOUTH HAVE JUST TRAUMATIZED MY LIFE SO > BADLY, THAT I DO NOT LIKE DEALING WITH PEOPLE. Can you imagine what you would be like without that traumatization? Try to imagine it strongly enough that it takes over. YES; AT PERMANENT MENTAL AND PHYSICAL PEACE. > > E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE REGULATED BY THE FASCIST > NAZI FUCKED UP FOOD AND DRUG ADDICTION ASSOCIATION ADMINISTRATION, AND > THE INFERNAL REVENUE ANTI-SERVICE PREVENTS INDEPENDENT ENTREPENEURSHIP, > BY BOTH ANTI EDUCATION, AND BY AN IRON FIST; ALSO AS YOU MENTIONED; SO > DOES THE (S.B.B.A.) SMALL BANKRUPTION BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. > > What you make with your hand is hard to regulate. > > IT IS ALSO VERY VERY DAMNED DIFFICULT TO DO A MASS PRODUCTION, WITH ONE MAN LABOR. Very True! But Nirvana technologies are not what the masses wish. WHY???? PEOPLE SEARCHING FOR ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES WOULD FLOCK TO BUYING THE THERAPEUTIC TECHNOLOGIES OF ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT, AND INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY, WHEN USED IN COMBINATION, FOR PERFECT PHYSICAL THERAPY. I CONSIDER BOTH OF THEM TO BE TESLA TECHNOLOGIES. TESLA WAS DOING ELECTROMECHANICAL RESONANCE EXPERIMENTS BACK IN HIS DAY, WHICH PROBABLY INCLUDED ELECTROMECHANICAL RESONANT THERAPY. I IMAGINE THAT TESLA MIGHT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT, AND / OR MIGHT HAVE EXPERIMENTED WITH, ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT TOO. ONE OF THE TECHNOLOGIES OF TESLA: A VIBRATING PLATFORM THAT A PERSON COULD STAND ON: ACCORDING TO WHAT WAS WRITTEN: AT A GROUP DEMONSTRATION, TESLA HAD A FRIEND STAND ON THAT PLATFORM; IT WAS SAID THAT THE PLATFORM MADE THE MAN SICK AT HIS STOMACH WHEN THE PLATFORM WAS SET TO A CERTAIN VIBRATION; PROBABLY A SIMULTANEOUS MIXTURE OF VIBRATIONAL FREQUENCIES THAT OPERATED AT DISCORD WITH ONE ANOTHER. > > I COULD GROW AND SELL LOTUS FLOWERS, FOR FOOD FOR OTHERS, BUT WOULD > ALSO RUN INTO THE FASCIST SOCIALIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST F.U.F.A.D.A.A.A. (FUCKED UP FOOD AND DRUG ADDICTION ASSOCIATION ADMINISTRATION) (THE SO-CALLED F.D.A.) ON THAT ISSUE AS WELL. If it is psychoactive, then yes, the FDA would eventually do something to prevent others from getting sucked into it, ruining their minds, etc. I'VE READ THAT NELUMBO LOTUS HAS NO DETRIMENTAL AND LASTING SIDE EFFECTS. > UNLESS IT COULD BE OF MASS SCALE BENEFIT TO ALL PEOPLE????...... "All" is not plausible. 50% would be astounding! 5% - 10% would be an amazing success. WELL YEAH; A LOT OF PEOPLE COULD PROBABLY BENEFIT THOUGH! EASTERN COUNTRIES: INDIA, CHINA (I STILL HATE CHINA), AND JAPAN, USE THE NELUMBO LOTUS PLANT, AS COMMON FOOD INGREDIENTS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. Then you might have a chance. Buy from them, ship to others at a markup. I WOULD HAVE NO REASON TO DO THAT UNLESS I PURCHASED CASES OF LOTUS SEED JUICE, AND THEN RESOLD THEM AT A LARGE MARKUP PRICES, TO OTHERS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelumbo_nucifera Nothing there suggesting any loopy use. YEAH; I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY NELUMBO LOTUS WOULD BE ILLEGAL, FOR BOTH POSSESSION AND CONSUMPTION. > That, my friend, takes a lot of hard work. > Are you willing to work at it, or do you want to justify your not succeeding? > I'VE WORKED LIKE HELL, SO FAR. > IT ONLY MOVES ME INCHES MOST OF THE TIME, IN GARGANTUAN MOUNTAIN RANGES, ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES I HAVE THE NUCLEAR ENERGY TO BLAST THROUGH MOUNTAINS, BUT I'M STILL HUMAN, AND DON'T HAVE THE PERPETUAL POWER OF THE GODS. None of us have. Inches are what most of us move. Remember, it takes some 12 to 16 years to be coordinated enough to be trusted to drive a car. To get into management, sometimes by crisis, five years; other times ten or twenty. And sometimes, you realize that's not the path you want. Learning to be a businessman takes years too. To hit it big? Some hit it big in short order. Those who do, usually lose it big in short order too. They didn't learn! It was luck. Look at Donald Trump in contrast. A lot of things, building up to his present status. Wins and painful losses; but few make or break deals. Willingness to risk, but not to risk all. Very careful weighing of risk factors, planning to deal with them, etc. A game of chess, not double or nothing tosses of the coin. How long does it take to become a good chess player, Clyde? How many years of practice? How about the violin? How many years? I worked with a gambler once. Interesting fellow. I tried to build some mathematical models to quantify the risks. It all boiled down to intelligence gathering, not mathematical models. He had better data; but also a different angle to it, which let him win more than he lost in his game, that of the dog races. He covered his bets, both in the races, and in his personal life. He had a good full time job as an Excellent engineer! That's how we met. Another ex-gambler I spoke with said that his full time job gave him a lot more satisfaction than winning at the dog races. And as his career became more demanding, and his career successes became more personally rewarding, he just sort of ran out of time to do the races well enough to win, so he quit. (He wasn't making that much more money than he had made at the track; it was just a nicer feeling that when he won in his career, everyone won!) > America is more like America than it ever was. > AMERICA ALSO IS FUCKED UP, IF ANYONE IS ABLE TO SEE IT FROM ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE. Sure. But not as badly as, say nations around The Congo. Or Bosnia, Or Russia. YEAH; I'M GLAD I LIVE HERE, RATHER THAN IN THOSE PLACES. PERSPECTIVE. > > OZZY OSBOURNE'S SONG: CRAZY TRAIN IS NOW MAINSTREAM MUSIC, AND CHURCH OF CHRIST SINGER AND ARTIST: PAT BOONE, DID A JAZZ STYLE COVER VERSION OZZY'S SONG. > > ARE OZZY'S: CRAZY TRAIN, AND CAT STEVENS: PEACE TRAIN, ON A CRASH COURSE????? > > IF SO; WHAT WILL THE CONSEQUENCES, AND OUTCOME BE???? > > WILL IT BE WORLD WAR THREE???? > > (I DIDN'T INTEND TO RHYME.). > Not a clue. I don't follow that type of music at all. Of some of that which I hear, I think it just so much mind-rot programming one for failure. Especially rap, punk rock, etc. > But are you ready to be, to accept the responsibility, of being a fully American > entrepreneur? It entails a lot of careful analysis and calculated risk taking. > > I NEED HELP TO GET THERE. > NO ONE HAS EVER DONE IT ALONE; BILL GATES DIDN'T EVEN DO EVERY PART OF HIS SUCCESS, ALONE, ON HIS OWN. I've been there. I've failed to make great fortune each time. Enough to make a living, sometimes. Fortune? No. Not yet, at any rate. But the game of life is not over yet. Each time I throw the dice, I learn something. And I have an adventure of some sort. So I keep trying, cautiously. And always, I am looking for the right people to join my teams, people with skills I lack. Few really succeed in terms of fortune. Most succeed in terms of living a decent life. TOO BAD I CAN'T AT LEAST LIVE A DECENT LIFE, AT COMFORT AND LASTING PEACE. In many ways, even here in my little trailer, I do better than my parents did. I have not had friends shot, tortured to death, armed men seeking me with intent to shoot and kill. We joke about this, for it relieves some of the stress. "It's ok, Dad, no one is shooting at me." And done worse in other ways. I have no property I may call home, my health precludes easy work, etc. One needs look at the needs of others. TULSA TIME IS FUCKED UP. THAT IS A MAJOR REASON WHY I AM SO FUCKED UP. THIS SHITTY NEED ITS OWN UNIVERSAL COORDINATED TIME STATION, TO TRANSFORM TULSA TIME FROM CONSTANT ANGRY PEOPLE CHAOS AND CONFUSION, INTO CONSTANT ORDER AND UNITY, AND HARMONY, INSTEAD OF CONSTANT DISCORD. I'M TIRED, I NEED TO GET SOME REST. I'M PROBABLY NOT MAKING MUCH SENSE NOW. Remember that folded piece of cardboard put across the windshield of the car. How many years have we had cars, especially cars that become intolerably hot in the sun; and how many years have we had cardboard? Why was this not invented earlier??? Perhaps it was, several times. But the inventors did not seek to market it, or did not know how to market it well. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXACTLY GO ABOUT THE MARKETING OF AN INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL MILITARY STYLE AND QUALITY, TALKING CLOCK, OF THE TYPE THAT I WANT DONE. So too, goes the story of many, many things. Is invention the way? YES IT IS! We all, being mad scientists, like to think it the way. IT IS THE WAY!!! ; IF THE FUCKING FINANCIAL INTRAFUCKTURE, AND THE ENERGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX INTRAFUCKTURES WERE NOT TOTALITARIAN DICK-TATORSHIPS, SUPPRESSING INNOVATION IN CERTAIN AREAS OF SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL PROGRESSION; SUPPRESSED BY ENDLESS POLITICAL GREED SHIT! But a more sure way, is fixing homes for resale. And requires far less intelligence! Carlton Sheets. Most of the others were con artists. YEAH; CARLTON SHEETS IS A GOOD HONEST MAN. My favorite was Wade Cook... Great lecture! Then I walked up to him and asked him some interesting questions. His answers all came back to "just do it", don't bother with the details, just go out and buy homes! Duh! In an era of litigation, home inspection, etc., he says just go out and buy, Buy, Buy! That did not smell right to me! It was more of what a course seller would say, not a real investor. Indeed, my accountant pointed out his strategies were no longer viable with tax law changes and other real estate law changes. OVERTAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION, AND OVERKILL EXPENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OVERTAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION ZONING ORDINANCES! FUCK IT ALL, GODDAMNIT! I FUCKING HATE IT! And why -- they were not quite reasonable in other ways, given the ups and downs of the real estate market. Indeed, he switched to the stock market, teaching a way of making money in the stock market that confounded many. And of his income from selling that method, most of it was LOST in playing that stock market as per the course he was "trying to perfect"!!! WHILE SELLING IT!!! FRAUD!!! Then there was McCorkel. Fascinating lecture! I followed him a bit too. Indicted for fraud. I think he and his wife spent some time in jail due to his course, promises, etc. GOOD! Carlton Sheets... I SAW SOME OF HIS T.V. ADDS AND ORDERED HIS COURSE. HE SEEMS LIKE A GOOD HONEST MAN. I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE PATIENCE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE COMPLICATED CRAP IN HIS COURSE. I didn't take his course. I learned enough to know it was hard work, not the easy money Cook and McCorkel promised. Housing prices are insane now. I DAMN WELL AGREE! AND OVERTAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION; ESPECIALLY HERE, IN THE ONION (UNION) COMMUNIST PUBLIC SCHOOLS DISTRICT, WHERE I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE, BUT LIVE AT THIS TIME (IN MY) 'LIFE'). They look like the stock market looked in the late 90's. The bubble is likely to burst soon. CHINESE-ISM CRAP INFLATION, OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT IS OVERKILL NOW, TOO. CHINESE OVERSTOCK IS OVERKILL AT MY PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT RIGHT NOW, AND IT MAKES ME SO DAMNED ANGRY. I WANT AMERICA TO MAKE OUR OWN PRODUCTS AGAIN, AND GET THE HELL OUT OF ALL TURD WORLD COUNTRIES. In the early 80's, when authors of computer books were promised million dollar advances, I chose to write a program rather than books. Ooops! but those advances are often (not always) written as loans against potential future sales. Ooops! Book fails, you're in debt! And no book two. Not all publishers survived either! There are myriads of opportunities! YEAH; I DON'T KNOW BUSINESS STRATEGIES THOUGH. I NEED SPECIFIC BUSINESS SCHOOL. But not all fit well with what we can do. And therein, is part of the art of life. One man I know, passes those opportunities on to others who can do them better than he. In exchange, he gets opportunities that fit him well. His is the art of passing opportunities around. We can all play it of we but keep our eyes open, and talk to others. But if you, like I, sit apart from others, how can we get opportunities? IT WON'T HAPPEN WITHOUT SUFFICIENT MONEY SUPPLY, IN CONSTANT QUANTITY. We must meet other people. And yes, some will be monsters. You've met some. YES. I've met some. I had a wife who tried to kill me quite a few times till I caught on. Actually, she was so sure that last time that she gloated. I survived. Not enough evidence to prosecute... but enough for me to walk away. And today, I helped truck part of a wooden deck away... I'd hired a guy who said it was a fantastic deal, great deck, etc. And never finished the job of taking it away to my new place. So I ended up in the pollution zone, harmed, etc. as I finished the job... for a load of soft, partly rotten worthless redwood I paid for; but will probably not be able to use. But if you avoid all people, you will not meet any new friends. IT IS KIND OF MY WILL TO BE A PART OF CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS. BUT ANTI AMPLE MONEY WILL NOT ALLOW THOSE THINGS TO BE FOR ME. I've met some marvelous people over the years. The guy I bought it from was an interesting person. We'll talk more about computer things in the near future. So maybe the deck was a bargain, even if it won't be used. who knows! Life goes on. Do you? JUST BARELY, BY THE SKIN OF MY TEETH AT TIMES. Start looking for interesting people. Listen more than you talk. Ask questions rather than making statements. And soon, you'll see you have friends. OK; I DO TRY TO DO THAT A LOT OF THE TIME THOUGH, ALREADY. EMDR might be useful, if you can find a practitioner whom you can trust. I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO THAT. So might a few books. Ogg Mandino, Maxwell Maltz, Dale Carnegie... three interesting authors. I ONLY WANT BOOKS LIKE DICTIONARIES, WITH TRITE, SPECIFIC, SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNIK KNOWLEDGE. ALTHOUGH, I CHECKED THE BOOK: HOMERS ODDESSY OUT AT THE LIBRARY, TWO MONTH'S AGO, AND IT WAS A DAMNED CHORE, JUST TO FIND THE ONLY PORTION OF THE BOOK THAT WAS OF CONCERN TO ME: THE PART IN THE CHAPTER THAT TALKS ABOUT THE LOTUS EATERS. OTHER THAN THAT PORTION OF THAT CHAPTER, I COULD GIVE A DAMN LESS ABOUT THAT BOOK. I NEED TO PURCHASE THE DICTIONARIES OF PHYSICS. ANTIMONEY IS CURRENTLY PREVENTING THAT, AT THIS TIME. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050829/485aaf3f/attachment-0001.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Mon Aug 29 05:27:52 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 29 05:28:08 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY TO VESTA. Message-ID: <1f3.10c231b5.30445948@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/2005 9:52:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: KNEW THAT THERE IS A WOMEN OFFSHOOT OF FREEMASONRY, BUT I NEVER LOOKED INTO IT. I WONDER IF EASTERN STAR HAS AN OFFSHOOT OF ITSELF THAT SUPPORTS FEMALE / GIRL LESBIANISM, JUST AS THE OFFSHOOT OF FREEMASONRY; KNOWN AS THE ORDER OF DE MOLAY SUPPORTS THE RITUAL ABUSE OF BOYS, AND ALSO SUPPORTS DISNEY CORPORATION, AND MORE THAN LIKELY ALSO SUPPORTS THE HOMOSEXUALIZATION OF DISNEY. Good Grief Clyde, where do you get your information from???? I agree that the Disney Company does make some interesting decisions, some of them make my mouth fall open in surprise. However, the fact that you feel the way you do about Freemasons, Eastern Star, De Molay, and the Rainbow Girls, after you state that you have never looked into them is really odd. If you want to find a secret group of folks that are thought to be normal every day people, look no further then your local Moose Lodge. Then, check out the people who join the Sporting Clubs. 90% are good folks, the other 10% scare the heck out of me. Come to think about it, Clyde, I can't think of any group of people that is not like the above. Get 10 people anywhere at any time for any reason and at least one or two of them will have some interesting ideas that give me pause. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050829/264790b5/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Aug 29 09:11:52 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Mon Aug 29 09:12:01 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Intelligent Design, yet again... Message-ID: <001201c5acb4$5f324d30$d0c5bc41@mikey> Evolution Under Fire Rudy Baum, Editor-in-chief, Chemical and Engineering News Earlier this year, I wrote an editorial on "Intelligent Design," the argument that life is too complex to have arisen through unguided processes and that, therefore, life is the result of continuous intervention by an intelligent force (C&EN, Feb. 7, page 3). In the editorial, I took strong exception to this notion as a scientific alternative to evolution for explaining the vast diversity of living organisms that exist and have existed through the course of Earth's history. I also said that intelligent design should not be taught in high school biology classes as an alternative to evolution. http://pubs.acs.org/cen/editor/83/8335edit.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 29 12:27:06 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 29 12:27:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY TO VESTA. In-Reply-To: <1f3.10c231b5.30445948@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Aug 29, 2005 08:27:52 AM Message-ID: <20050829192707.20163.qmail@mall-net.com> > I WONDER IF EASTERN STAR HAS AN OFFSHOOT OF ITSELF THAT SUPPORTS > FEMALE / GIRL LESBIANISM, JUST AS THE OFFSHOOT OF FREEMASONRY; KNOWN AS THE > ORDER OF DE MOLAY SUPPORTS THE RITUAL ABUSE OF BOYS, AND ALSO SUPPORTS DISNEY > CORPORATION, AND MORE THAN LIKELY ALSO SUPPORTS THE HOMOSEXUALIZATION OF > DISNEY. > If you want to find a secret group of folks that are thought to be > normal every day people, look no further then your local Moose Lodge. And, you too can join! Hidden knowledge and secret societies are always available. I'm not sure exactly what the attraction is to people, as most "hidden" knowledge about the way the world works is freely available in the library. Many of these societies are really insurance policies of sorts. If you know the secret handshake, etc. and are in trouble, other members who don't know you will help you. You will, of course have to help others in similar situations who give you the signs. But most people do that anyway. > Get 10 people anywhere at any time for any reason and at least one or two of > them will have some interesting ideas that give me pause. One or two? I though it might be less than five out of 100; but I suppose it depends upon your level of tolerance and your ability to detect strangeness. Besides, what's wrong with Lesbianism? I know they aren't going to try to recruit me, so who cares! They make good friends. Some former neighbors of mine are lesbian school teachers. They have the same problems as everyone else. They look and act rather normal in most ways, they even like organic food. Can't say as I approve their political choices; but that's probably got nothing to do with their sexual orientation. Other than my biased opinion that they are gullible democrats, the way most staunch democrats seem to me, they are decent people; people whom I care about because they care about me. We've kept in touch, discuss business and other topics via phone, etc. Most people are decent people! Very few, probably one or two in several thousand, if that, are really dangerous. And if you don't make yourself look particularly vulnerable, they will ignore you for softer targets. Lets face it, at age 30+, you don't look like a soft target anymore. People with odd sexual proclivities go after younger people, usually those at the age at which they were abused. So for the most part, you are off the hook, and certainly smart enough to see through anyone who might try to recruit you for anything. As for the real predators out there, we don't have lions or tigers, the coyotes, wolves mountain lions, bobcats, and bears stay out of the cities, etc. I'm the one who has to worry about mountain lions. And you know something, I don't. Sure, I take some precautions, I've seen a few bobcats out here; but they are more afraid of me than I am of them. So I say, try to imagine how you would be if you hadn't had that problem, and see if you can become what you imagine. Eventually, you more than probably can. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 29 12:29:27 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 29 12:29:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY TO VESTA. In-Reply-To: <1f3.10c231b5.30445948@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050829192928.22488.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/28/2005 9:52:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: I KNEW THAT THERE IS A WOMEN'S OFFSHOOT OF FREEMASONRY, BUT I NEVER LOOKED INTO IT. I WONDER IF EASTERN STAR HAS AN OFFSHOOT OF ITSELF THAT SUPPORTS FEMALE / GIRL LESBIANISM, JUST AS THE OFFSHOOT OF FREEMASONRY; KNOWN AS THE ORDER OF DE MOLAY SUPPORTS THE RITUAL ABUSE OF BOYS, AND ALSO SUPPORTS DISNEY CORPORATION, AND 'MORE THAN LIKELY ALSO SUPPORTS' THE HOMOSEXUALIZATION OF DISNEY. Good Grief Clyde, where do you get your information from???? I agree that the Disney Company does make some interesting decisions, some of them make my mouth fall open in surprise. THE ORDER OF DE MOLAY SUPPORTS DISNEY CORPORATION; I KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE READ ABOUT IT ON THE DEMOLAY.ORG WEBSITE THAT I HAVE THE WEBLINK TO, BELOW; However, the fact that you feel the way you do about Freemasons, Eastern Star, De Molay, and the Rainbow Girls, after you state that you have never looked into them is really odd. NOT ENTIRELY TRUE. YOU MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I SAID. I HAVE LOOKED INTO THE FREEMASONS AND INTO THE ORDER OF DEMOLAY ALREADY. 1. http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/index.html 2. http://www.longcounty.net/famousmasons.html 3. http://www.demolay.org/home/index.shtml 4. http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/disney.htm 5. http://www.aw22.com/awchapter/famousdemolays.htm (THE ORDER OF DE MOLAY WEBLINK ABOVE, SHOWS WALT DISNEY AS A MEMBER.). I HAVE NOT LOOKED INTO THE ORDER OF THE EASTERN STAR, NOR HAVE I LOOKED INTO THE ORDER OF THE RAINBOW GIRLS, YET. A FREEMASON WHOM I SPOKE WITH, A FEW YEARS BACK, INFORMED ME THAT THERE EXISTED A WOMEN'S SECRET SOCIETY OFFSHOOT FROM FREEMASONRY, BUT I NEVER LOOKED INTO WHAT ITS NAME IS, OR WHAT TYPE OF CONSPIRATORIAL TALK, SURROUNDS IT; AND I WAS ALSO UNAWARE OF THE EXISTANCE OF THE ORDER OF THE RAINBOW GIRLS SECRET SOCIETY GROUP AS WELL. I HAVE SINCE FOUND THE FOLLOWING WEBLINK THAT MENTIONS FREEMASONRY, THE MUSLIM AKDAR SHRINERS, THE ORDER OF DE MOLAY, THE ORDER OF THE EASTERN STAR, AND THE ORDER OF THE RAINBOW GIRLS, ALTOGETHER, IN A SINGLE PARAGRAPH: 6. http://www.ccom7.org/freemasonrypaper.mht I HAVE READ THAT DE MOLAY AND HIS FOLLOWERS WERE GUILTY OF: 1. DENIAL OF CHRIST. 2. HOMOSEXUALITY. AND: 3. IDOL WORSHIP. THERE ARE WEBSITES WHICH TALK ABOUT THE RITUAL ABUSE OF YOUNG BOYS THAT LINK RITUAL ABUSE TO THE ORDER OF DE MOLAY; I FOUND THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE, WHICH ALSO MENTIONS THE ORDER OF THE EASTERN STAR, AND THE ORDER OF THE RAINBOW GIRLS EQUALLY AS WELL: 7. http://members.aol.com/SMARTNEWS/Info-on-ritual-abuse.htm If you want to find a secret group of folks that are thought to be normal every day people, look no further than your local Moose Lodge. INTERESTING THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THE MOOSE LODGE. I SAW A MAN YESTERDAY WHILE I WAS AT WORK, WHO HAD A MOOSE LODGE T-SHIRT THAT HE WAS WEARING. THERE IS ALSO THE LUCIS (LUCIFER'S) 'TRUST', HOUSED AT THE UNITED DIVIDED NATIONS FACILITY, IN N.Y.C., WHICH I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GO INTO RIGHT NOW; EXCEPT THAT FROM WHAT I HAVE READ; THE FORMER TITLE: LUCIFER'S TRUST OFFENDED SO MANY PEOPLE, THAT THE FOLKS WHO ARE IN CHARGE AT THE LUCIFER'S TRUST, CHANGED THE TITLE TO THE CURRENT NAME: LUCIS TRUST; AND HELENA BLAVATSKY WAS INSPIRATION TO ALICE BAILEY, WHO WAS THE ORIGINATOR OF THE LUCIS (LUCIFER'S) (SO-CALLED) TRUST. LUCIS 'TRUST' ALSO SUPPORTS THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT AS WELL. THAT IS THE EXTENT OF WHAT I CURRENTLY KNOW ABOUT THE LUCIFER'S SO-CALLED TRUST. Then, check out the people who join the Sporting Clubs. YEAH; LIKE THE Y.M.C.A. AND THE Y.W.C.A., ALONG WITH OTHER CLUBS THAT HAVE PRIVATE MEMBERSHIPS TO THEM; SPORTING CLUBS WITH BATHHOUSES. THOSE ARE THE TYPES FOR THE VILLAGE PEOPLE TYPE. 90% are good folks, the other 10% scare the heck out of me. THE OTHER 10% 'POSSIBLY' FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF PUNKS WHO FOLLOW IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF WHAT'S HIS NAME: THE FORMER LEAD SINGER OF THE BAND: QUEEN, WHO DIED OF AIDS? Come to think about it, Clyde, I can't think of any group of people that is not like the above. YEAH WELL, THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD PEOPLE IN EVERY ILK. Get 10 people anywhere at any time for any reason and at least one or two of them will have some interesting ideas that give me pause. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20050829083636.18662.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 29, 2005 01:36:36 AM Message-ID: <20050829210226.64767.qmail@mall-net.com> > > --===============0417977976== > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-154733837-1125304596=:16338" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > --0-154733837-1125304596=:16338 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > > javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > I NEED HELP, TO FIND THE RIGHT NICHE AND MARKET. > > INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, BROADCAST, AMATEUR RADIO REPEATERS, INSTITUTIONAL, MILITARY, HOSPITAL, ETC..... : WHICHEVER AND WHATEVER ONE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The way it is done, is to identify market niches, estimate their sizes, see what feature mix is likely to appeal to each niche, see what costs are likely to be, see what the market niches are willing to pay, estimate competition, and then, see if it is likely that you can make a profit. If these calculations do not show a good likelihood of profit, then one does not proceed to actually develop the product. Charging in without estimating these things is like charging into battle without estimating whether you can win or will lose. It's like Hitler in WW-II, trying to take on the world because of the strength of his conviction; NOT the strength of his army. He was an idiot! He lost! He committed suicide because he lost so badly! The first descriptions of such calculations come from the old writings on strategy, one of the oldest "books" ever written. Sun Tzu: "Art of War". They always figured out the odds of success before they tried to fight. And if it wasn't in their favor, well... the smart ones didn't fight; they tried to do other things. > I DON'T LIKE APARTMENTS. > > I CAN'T LISTEN TO MY MUSIC LOUD, AND I COULDN'T HAVE A LOUD DRUMSET EITHER, IN APARTMENT KOMMUNISM-PLEXES. Ah. that does not make those places bad, just unsuitable for you. > Can you imagine what you would be like without that traumatization? > Try to imagine it strongly enough that it takes over. > > YES; AT PERMANENT MENTAL AND PHYSICAL PEACE. Other than that. I mean how you would act and feel while dealing with others. > Very True! But Nirvana technologies are not what the masses wish. > > WHY???? Because satisfaction is, well, more satisfying than mellowing out or zonking out for the vast majority. Satisfaction usually results when something is done, not experienced. And has such, it leaves lasting results. > > PEOPLE SEARCHING FOR ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES WOULD FLOCK TO BUYING THE THERAPEUTIC TECHNOLOGIES OF ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT, AND INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY, WHEN USED IN COMBINATION, FOR PERFECT PHYSICAL THERAPY. Most people are not searching for alternative therapies. Most people feel they are ok, and want to get specific things done to further their lives. > I IMAGINE THAT TESLA MIGHT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT, AND / OR MIGHT HAVE EXPERIMENTED WITH, ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT TOO. If he had, it would be in his notebooks. > > AMERICA ALSO IS FUCKED UP, IF ANYONE IS ABLE TO SEE IT FROM ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE. > > Sure. But not as badly as, say nations around The Congo. Or > Bosnia, Or Russia. > > YEAH; I'M GLAD I LIVE HERE, RATHER THAN IN THOSE PLACES. > Few really succeed in terms of fortune. Most succeed in terms of > living a decent life. > > TOO BAD I CAN'T AT LEAST LIVE A DECENT LIFE, AT COMFORT AND LASTING PEACE. It takes a little smart-work, not hard work. But for most people, smart-work is harder than hard work, as they are not use to thinking. > TULSA TIME IS FUCKED UP. > > THAT IS A MAJOR REASON WHY I AM SO FUCKED UP. That's an excuse. > I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXACTLY GO ABOUT THE MARKETING OF AN INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL MILITARY STYLE AND QUALITY, TALKING CLOCK, OF THE TYPE THAT I WANT DONE. That's probably not what you want to market, anyway. > Is invention the way? > > IT IS THE WAY!!! ; IF THE FUCKING FINANCIAL INTRAFUCKTURE, AND THE ENERGY INDUSTRIAL KOMPLEX INTRAFUCKTURES WERE NOT TOTALITARIAN DICK-TATORSHIPS, SUPPRESSING INNOVATION IN CERTAIN AREAS OF SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL PROGRESSION; SUPPRESSED BY ENDLESS POLITICAL GREED SHIT! They are not. You have a chance. But it's hard work and needs a lot of smart-work before the hard work. > OVERTAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION, AND OVERKILL EXPENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OVERTAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION ZONING ORDINANCES! Most of those meetings are open to the public. You can attend. You can represent yourself! Or elect better politicians. Have you supported any politicians? > Carlton Sheets... > > I SAW SOME OF HIS T.V. ADDS AND ORDERED HIS COURSE. > > HE SEEMS LIKE A GOOD HONEST MAN. > > I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE PATIENCE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE COMPLICATED CRAP IN HIS COURSE. Everything is hard work. You get out of life what you invest in life. > I DON'T KNOW BUSINESS STRATEGIES THOUGH. Neither do I. (Well, not well.) That's something one has to study, think about, etc. > I NEED SPECIFIC BUSINESS SCHOOL. Probably not. There are books, and people to talk to. The Small Business Administration often offers business courses. You will meet interesting entrepreneurial people at those courses. > IT WON'T HAPPEN WITHOUT SUFFICIENT MONEY SUPPLY, IN CONSTANT QUANTITY. You have to make the money. Sometimes, you can borrow it. But you need to pay it back. > EMDR might be useful, if you can find a practitioner whom you can > trust. > > I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO THAT. > > So might a few books. Ogg Mandino, Maxwell Maltz, Dale Carnegie... > three interesting authors. > > I ONLY WANT BOOKS LIKE DICTIONARIES, WITH TRITE, SPECIFIC, SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNIK KNOWLEDGE. Stories teach harmony, patterns, etc. It is the structure of life that we hang skills and definitions upon, not the other way around. ALTHOUGH, I CHECKED THE BOOK: HOMERS ODDESSY OUT AT THE LIBRARY, TWO MONTH'S AGO, AND IT WAS A DAMNED CHORE It is good literature, the adventures of a man... how he interacts with a crew, what he finds in his life... Good literature about Life! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 29 20:55:35 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 29 20:56:29 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] AFTER ALL OF THAT SECRET SOCIETY SHIT..... Message-ID: <20050830035535.35286.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> AFTER ALL OF THAT SECRET SOCIETY SHIT, HERE ARE TWO OF SOME OF THE COOLEST SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY TOPICS WEBLINKS THAT I HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN SINCE 1998, AND THAT I AM STILL INTERESTED IN, TO THIS DAY: 1. http://www.ma.ic.ac.uk/~ajm8/pedestal.html 2. http://www.ma.ic.ac.uk/~ajm8/lev.html CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050829/98d1d7fe/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 29 21:03:25 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 29 21:03:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I HOPE THE LAST REPLY TO VESTA DIDN'T CAUSE TOO MUCH CONTOVERSY. Message-ID: <20050830040325.36534.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> I HOPE THE LAST REPLY TO VESTA DIDN'T CAUSE TOO MUCH CONTROVERSY. IT WAS PROBABLY ENOUGH TO RUFFLE A LOT OF FEATHERS, AND TO SHAKE FOUNDATIONS. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050829/a663a69a/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 29 22:26:51 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 29 22:26:56 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. In-Reply-To: <46.6fca449b.304213ee@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050830052651.57245.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/26/2005 5:34:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: I JUST WANT TO BE INDEPENDENT, SUCCESSFUL, AT PEACE WITH MYSELF AT PEACE WITH LIFE, AND TO BE FREE. THAT IS WHAT I THINK BEING AN AMERICAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE, AND TO FEEL LIKE. Hi Clyde, I kind of wonder in what way YOU feel YOU are not independent. Are YOU in a wheelchair ? NO. YOU don't have one of those ankle bracelets the courts place on people to keep an eye on them, do YOU? NO. Is there someone in YOUR life who insists on running or managing every minute of YOUR day ? NO. As an adult, YOU should be able to eat YOUR dessert before the main meal if YOU choose to. YES. If YOU don't want to brush YOUR teeth before bed, who is to complain? COMPLAIN TO THE CREATOR, FOR THE CREATION OF TOOTH PLAQUE! YOU say you were born in 1974, 1975. as a [31] 29 year old human, look at all the fun YOU can have on days off from work. Get out of bed when YOU want. Breakfast, YOUR choice. None, candy bar, cereal, toast and juice. YOU decide. YES; I CAN HAVE FUN. BUT MOST OF THE TIME, IT IS VERY LIMITED FUN, DUE TO VERY LIMITED RESOURCES; NAMELY: MONEY. RATHER POLITICALLY CORRECTLY STATED: ANTIMONEY; OR MAYBE BETTER STATED AS THE COMBINATION OF THE TWO; TOO LITTLE AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND INSUFFICIENT MONEY AT THE SAME TIME. YOU bought a bike a while back, do YOU want to ride it or do something else? I WANT TO RIDE MY BIKE MORE OFTEN. BUT THIS PODUNK INDUSTRIAL WASTELAND SLUM OF TULSA DOES NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS EVERYWHERE, LIKE THEY DO IN THE CITY OF LINCOLN NEBRASKA. LINCOLN NEBRASKA IS A NICE CITY. OMAHA NEBRASKA ON THE OTHER HAND, IS A SLUM TOWN THAT IS CLOSE THE SAME DIRTINESS OF TULSA, AS FAR AS BEING AN INDUSTRIAL SLUM WASTELAND. TULSA IS A LITTLE NICER THAN OMAHA; BUT TULSA IS STILL A DIRTY SLUM SHITTY. John suggests YOU try photography. Have YOU? NO. I HAVE PURCHASED DISPOSABLE WALMART CAMERA'S BEFORE, BUT I JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND ON A CAMERA, OR ON CAMERA'S ALL OF THE TIME. I'D RATHER BUY ELECTRONIC AND ELECTRICAL THINGS TO EXPERIMENT WITH. ( Some things turn out weird, I got this wild hair up my butt and decided to try black and white photography. I had a cheap 35mm and decided to give it a try, (this was 8 years ago) I asked my mom, not a bimbo just confused, to pick up some film for me. She somehow managed to get me black and white SUPER fast film. Didn't know they made it that fast. What am I going to do with this film, hide in the woods waiting for a bear to amble past at midnight ? Couple weeks later I was in the next city, 5 miles away from home, big place, 30 thousand people. Lots of interesting people live there, artsie fartsie folk. It was afternoon and I was enthralled with the hair colors, pierced bodies, tattoos, the Goth culture. These were not kids these were young adults. BINGO, That night I was sitting on the steps of the church in the town square at 1 A.M. when the bars closed taking pictures of the Creatures of the night. WOW !!!!!! No problem since they did not know they were being photographed since I didn't need a flash with the film Mom got me.) Do YOU want to be independent, or is it the freedom of not having to be responsible that YOU crave? I JUST CANNOT KEEP UP WITH THE ENDLESS COMPLICATIONS OF WHAT MOST PEOPLE CALL LIFE, WHICH IN ACTUALITY IS ANTILIFE. 1. PAYING BILLS. 2. THE DRUDGERY OF ENDLESS GO NO WHERE JOBS. 3. ALL OF THE ENDLESS GODDAMNED SHIT ON THE TELEVISION. 4. EVEN TALK RADIO AND MUSIC RADIO HAVE THEIR LIMITS AS WELL. 5. CEASELESS POLITICAL BULLSHIT ALWAYS INTERFERING WITH THE PROGRESSION(ISM) OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, FOR INDEPENDENTS LIKE ME. TALK RADIO IS HIGHLY BIASED TOWARD THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT WINGS, AND MAINSTREAM FASCIST AND COMMUNIST RADIO BROADCASTING WILL DRIVE A PERSON OUT OF THEIR MIND, IF THEY SOAK UP ALL OF THE CRAZY MUSIC ON ALL OF THE DIFFERENT FREQUENCIES ALL AT ONCE. Please don't forget that when a person is not responsible for anything, they also are seen by others as having no rights. BECAUSE I CANNOT HAVE MY OWN SUCCESSFUL REDUNDANT MICRO TURBINE POWER PLANT FACILITY, MY OWN SUCCESSFUL MICRO TELEVISION STATION, ALONG WITH A SUCCESSFUL MICRO F.M. RADIO STATION, AND SUCCESSFUL EXPERIMENTAL HIGH VOLTAGE LIGHTNING AND ACOUSTICS TESTING LABORATORY, AND EXPERIMENTAL MICRO HOSPITAL; ALL TO EXPERIMENT TO MY HEART'S DELIGHT, MAKES ME FEEL ENTRAPPED; BECAUSE I CANNOT TAKE IT ALL TO THE LIMIT. IS IT THE (CITY) SHITTY OF TULSA THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT THE SHTATE OF OKLAHOMA THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT THE SHIT EDUCATIONAL SHITSTEM THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT THE FINANCIAL INTRAFUCKTURE THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT THE ENERGY INTRAFUCKTURE THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT THE AUTOMOTIVE INTRAFUCKTURE THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT THE PETROLEUM INTRAFUCKTURE THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT THE INFERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE KOMMUNISM-PLEX THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT SEXUAL PERVERSION THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT THE INFERNAL REVENUE ANTI-SERVICE THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT SECRET SOCIETIES THAT ARE TO BLAME? IS IT THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL KOMMUNISM-PLEX THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT THE REAL ESTATE EH-FUCKLISHT-MENT THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT THE WEATHER THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT POLITICS THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT THE SEASONS THAT ARE TO BLAME? IS IT THE COMMERCIALISM OF PHARMACOLOGY-INDUSTRIAL KOMMUNISM-PLEX THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT ONLY MYSELF THAT IS TO BLAME? IS IT OTHERS WHO HAVE INTERFERED SO MUCH IN MY LIFE, AND WHO HAVE SCREWED UP MY LIFE'S PLANS, THAT ARE ENTIRELY TO BLAME? IS IT ALL OF THE ABOVE THAT IS TO BLAME? BLAME IS BETTER TO GIVE THAN TO RECEIVE: PART OF THE SONG LYRICS FROM THE SONG: FREEWILL, BY THE ROCK BAND: RUSH. YOU mentioned YOUR youth and the trials YOU faced then. Children and the aged have little to be responsible for, so they become pray for the vultures in society. YEAH. SUCCESS What is success ? HIGH TECH MINIMALISM; NATURE AND TECHNOLOGY WORKING IN PERFECT HARMONY; AND TO BE AT PERFECT PEACE WITH BOTH OF THEM EQUALLY, WHICH ='S CONTENTMENT. We all have dozens of successes every day at whatever it is we wish to do. At the end of the week when I am handed my pay check, I feel the week was a success, after all I managed to travel to and home from work without getting killed in traffic. No one gave me a hard time all week, got bills paid, perhaps I found something I had lost some time ago, or, received a call from an old and forgotten friend. When I receive a raise I do my best to be happy with what ever I get and not spoil it by wanting more. To me success is being content with what I have, I AGREE WITH THAT. yet working my fanny off because nothing stays the same, life changes in the blink of an eye. PEACE SUCCESS AND PEACE SOUND LIKE THEY WOULD BOTH BE EQUAL TO ME; KNOWING THAT WHAT I HAVE PUT INTO LIFE HAS BEEN OF LASTING BENEFIT AND VALUE TO BOTH MYSELF, AND TO OTHERS, AND OF LASTING BENEFIT TO THE FUTURE AS WELL. To be at peace with yourself and your life, you must like yourself. Accept who you are, try to improve yourself bit by bit. One must also accept others for what they are and not try to change them. I LIKE MYSELF AND I DON'T LIKE MYSELF AT THE SAME TIME: PERHAPS A DUALITY: DARK LIGHT. I CAN ACCEPT OTHERS FOR WHO THEY ARE, AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT TREAD ON MY RIGHTS, AS BOTH A HUMAN, AND AS A CIVILIAN. When you can act on your knowledge of others as they are, you will avoid heartache. MY LIFE IS FULL OF CONSISTANT HEARTACHE-STRESS. ANTIMONEY IS THE LARGEST CONTRIBUTOR TO IT BEING THAT WAY. You have a friend that you know has a problem with stealing things. Don't expect them to honor your stuff. Be oh so careful who you hang out with. If you have to live 5 years with out any friends, do so until you meet an honest person. FREEDOM OHHHHHHH Clyde, how can anyone get any freer than you are now ????? YOU live in AMERICA Clyde, what do YOU want, an egg in your beer???? I WANT AN OVERDOSE OF PAINKILLERS,,, WITH BEER, IF THE COMMERCIALISM OF PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMMUNISM-PLEX AND THE FINANCIAL AND ENERGY INDUSTRIAL KOMMUNISM-PLEXES WILL NOT EASE DOWN, ON THEIR TOTALITARIAN STRANGLEHOLD-CHOKEHOLD ON MYSELF, AND ON ALL OF SOCIETY IN GENERAL. regards Vesta SINCERELY, CLYDE No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050829/821821fa/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 29 22:39:57 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Aug 29 22:40:02 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050827025146.50498.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050830053957.34262.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > Society moderates sexuality and sexual competition. The lower rungs > of societies generally have more sex than the upper rungs. As for all Excuse me, I meant that there is more public display of sexuality than in the upper rungs. The upper rungs are more cultural, and are more private about things. > the other supposedly secret societies mentioned, they are not as bad as > they seem, to the uninitiated, with the possible exception of the KKK and > the KGB. AN INTERESTING LINK BETWEEN THE KKK AND THE KGB! I COULD GO INTO DETAILS ABOUT MY THOUGHTS REGARDING THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD HELP MAKE THINGS AS THEY ARE, ANY BETTER. The mafia isn't good, but not in the same league as the KGB. > Not even the KKK is in the same league as the KGB! DELIBERATE UNDERMINING OF THE MORALS OF THIS COUNTRY, BY UNDERGROUND COOPERATION OF THE KKK AND THE KGB? I HOPE THIS DOESN'T RUFFLE ANY FEATHERS OUT THERE. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050829/f9ce028f/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 29 23:26:07 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 29 23:26:23 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MONEY. In-Reply-To: <20050830052651.57245.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 29, 2005 10:26:51 PM Message-ID: <20050830062607.16914.qmail@mall-net.com> > I HAVE PURCHASED DISPOSABLE WALMART CAMERA'S BEFORE, BUT I JUST > DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND ON A CAMERA, OR ON CAMERA'S ALL OF > THE TIME. Walmart now sells a disposable digital camera for under $50 which can be hacked to extract the photos without having to buy the CD that Walmart wants you to pay for. > BECAUSE I CANNOT HAVE MY OWN SUCCESSFUL REDUNDANT MICRO TURBINE POWER PLANT FACILITY, MY OWN SUCCESSFUL MICRO TELEVISION STATION, ALONG WITH A SUCCESSFUL MICRO F.M. RADIO STATION, AND SUCCESSFUL EXPERIMENTAL HIGH VOLTAGE LIGHTNING AND ACOUSTICS TESTING LABORATORY, AND EXPERIMENTAL MICRO HOSPITAL; ALL TO EXPERIMENT TO MY HEART'S DELIGHT, MAKES ME FEEL ENTRAPPED; BECAUSE I CANNOT TAKE IT ALL TO THE LIMIT. What... what... um... what would you put on your micro television station? Your micro FM station? Have you ever given any REAL thought about what kind of work it would be to make that station successful? It is not easy getting worth while content! It is not easy trying to find out what your audience really wants, though the hothead minority will easily tell you what THEY want! My father had an important role in a commercial radio station once, before I came onto the sceine. I heard some minor stories about the headaches. At one point, he just walked away to a nice stress filled defense job with government inspectors, angry military customers, lying salesmen selling him crap, machines breaking and requiring immediate repairs to make enough product to keep the boys in blue, green, and tan happy, etc. etc. That, he considered a success! Not the radio station. I think if you had that, you would have even less time and see yourself as even less successful because of that. I am serious. > IS IT THE (CITY) SHITTY OF TULSA THAT IS TO BLAME? > IS IT THE SHTATE OF OKLAHOMA THAT IS TO BLAME? > IS IT THE SHIT EDUCATIONAL SHITSTEM THAT IS TO BLAME? > IS IT THE FINANCIAL INTRAFUCKTURE THAT IS TO BLAME? > IS IT THE ENERGY INTRAFUCKTURE THAT IS TO BLAME? > IS IT THE AUTOMOTIVE INTRAFUCKTURE THAT IS TO BLAME? > IS IT THE PETROLEUM INTRAFUCKTURE THAT IS TO BLAME? > IS IT THE INFERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE KOMMUNISM-PLEX > THAT IS TO BLAME? No. That is what all entrepreneurs have to overcome. That's partly why there are so few entrepreneurs. Don't waste time blaming them, spend time trying to think of something better for yourself. > IS IT SEXUAL PERVERSION THAT IS TO BLAME? I don't know. Only you can decide on that one, and only for what was done to you. You can let it be the cause of your failure, or walk around it to some fair extent IF YOU WANT TO! > IS IT THE INFERNAL REVENUE ANTI-SERVICE THAT IS TO BLAME? > IS IT SECRET SOCIETIES THAT ARE TO BLAME? > IS IT THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL KOMMUNISM-PLEX THAT IS TO BLAME? > IS IT THE REAL ESTATE EH-FUCKLISHT-MENT THAT IS TO BLAME? No. > IS IT THE WEATHER THAT IS TO BLAME? That is a handy excuse. > IS IT POLITICS THAT IS TO BLAME? > IS IT THE SEASONS THAT ARE TO BLAME? No, lke most fo thse things, it is your unpreparedness which is to blame. > IS IT THE COMMERCIALISM OF PHARMACOLOGY-INDUSTRIAL > KOMMUNISM-PLEX THAT IS TO BLAME? > > IS IT ONLY MYSELF THAT IS TO BLAME? Not entirely. Usually, it is not "you", it is decisions you have made. It is the lack of research, not enough time spent on thinking before doing, etc. that limits your success. Though sometimes, it is spending too much time thinking, and not doing experiments to see what works. Perfection isn't useful, finding out something is. > IS IT OTHERS WHO HAVE INTERFERED SO MUCH IN MY LIFE, > AND WHO HAVE SCREWED UP MY LIFE'S PLANS, THAT ARE > ENTIRELY TO BLAME? No. A hinderance, to be sure! But still, YOU are the captain of your life. Some captains are better than others... but it is more that the captain who wants to be a good captain, takes the time to learn, to try, to become better at what he does. I am reminded of one guy named George, who through stupid actions single handedly started the French and Indian War, screwed up a series of battles at the beginning of the Revolutionary war. He was quite inept at military matters in the beginning of his career! And for that, there was quite a price on his head from both sides! But, by the end of his career, he did succeed in leading his army to victory, and making The Colonies independednt, etc. Yes, that was George Washington, the father of our country. The jackass junior officer who became one hell of a leader! All of us start out as inept jackasses. Some of us decide to put in the time and effort to become better. Others just blame it on anything they can think of, and so remain jackasses for the rest of their lives! Look at me, the jackass. After the first two weeks of screwing around with the campus IBM computer, one of the grad students who did real, important work at the computer center took me aside and told me that, based on what he saw of my stupid programs, etc.; that I should stay away from computers because I clearly had NO ability, NO talent, not a chance in hell of doing anything userful with computers in my life! I, um, ignored his diatribe. In part, because the computer books had not come in yet, and I knew I was just screwing around, trying different things trying to see how it all worked. But more, because I SAW THAT I WAS LEARNING THINGS!!! Seveal weeks into computer class, my instructor grilled me on our first project. By stumbling around, I'd learned things he didn't know, and put them to exceptionally good use in the project. He literaly said that he didn't know you could do those things! A year later, I was working as a computer center staff member. About a year and a half to two years after that diatribe, I was teaching computer programming workshops! Some people stay jackasses. Others try to do better. > IS IT ALL OF THE ABOVE THAT IS TO BLAME? If you blame other things, you do not learn. If you take the responsibility of "ok, that didn't work" and learn from your mistakes, you WILL progress from jackass neophyte, to become a competent person in the field. If you keep on learning, you may well become a respected expert. The choice is YOURS. YOU have to INVEST the time and effort to try, to read, to learn. It is an investment. You can't get there without that investment. But there is something else you have to do. You have to have fun doing it! If you can't laugh at yourself, can't get a bang out of seeing yourself learn, you won't learn half, porobably not a tenth of what a person who has fun learns. Becaue when you are having fun, it's not an investment; it's play. The same kind of play a child uses to to model and learn how the world works. > BLAME IS BETTER TO GIVE THAN TO RECEIVE: PART OF THE SONG LYRICS FROM THE SONG: FREEWILL, BY THE ROCK BAND: RUSH. Blame? Blame is a game. Blame is not good to give, nor receive. Responsibility is what you should grasp and use. > HIGH TECH MINIMALISM; NATURE AND TECHNOLOGY WORKING IN PERFECT HARMONY; AND TO BE AT PERFECT PEACE WITH BOTH OF THEM EQUALLY, WHICH ='S CONTENTMENT. > We all have dozens of successes every day at whatever it is we wish to > do. At the end of the week when I am handed my pay check, I feel the > week was a success, after all I managed to travel to and home from work > without getting killed in traffic. No one gave me a hard time all week, > got bills paid, perhaps I found something I had lost some time ago, or, > received a call from an old and forgotten friend. > I LIKE MYSELF AND I DON'T LIKE MYSELF AT THE SAME TIME: PERHAPS A > DUALITY: DARK LIGHT. That's normal. None of us is perfect. > When you can act on your knowledge of others as they are, you will avoid heartache. > > MY LIFE IS FULL OF CONSISTANT HEARTACHE-STRESS. > > ANTIMONEY IS THE LARGEST CONTRIBUTOR TO IT BEING THAT WAY. Don't think of it as anti-money, for that gives it power in your mind which it does not have in the real world. > I WANT AN OVERDOSE OF PAINKILLERS,,, WITH BEER, IF THE COMMERCIALISM OF PHARMACOLOGY INDUSTRIAL KOMMUNISM-PLEX AND THE FINANCIAL AND ENERGY INDUSTRIAL KOMMUNISM-PLEXES WILL NOT EASE DOWN, ON THEIR TOTALITARIAN STRANGLEHOLD-CHOKEHOLD ON MYSELF, AND ON ALL OF SOCIETY IN GENERAL. Just as you did with the things in the dark of night in the half-life of dreams; in your mind you can give them all power over yourself, or deny them that power. The choice is yours. That choice shapes your thoughts, and your thoughts shape what you can acheive. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Aug 29 23:29:03 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Aug 29 23:29:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050830053957.34262.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 29, 2005 10:39:57 PM Message-ID: <20050830062903.19239.qmail@mall-net.com> > > the other supposedly secret societies mentioned, they are not as bad as > > they seem, to the uninitiated, with the possible exception of the KKK and > > the KGB. > > AN INTERESTING LINK BETWEEN THE KKK AND THE KGB! That's not a link, that's a comparison. > I COULD GO INTO DETAILS ABOUT MY THOUGHTS REGARDING THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD HELP MAKE THINGS AS THEY ARE, ANY BETTER. Right. Move on. look how you can make things better. > DELIBERATE UNDERMINING OF THE MORALS OF THIS COUNTRY, BY UNDERGROUND COOPERATION OF THE KKK AND THE KGB? Not worth the time speculating. You have more important things to think about. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From Vesta111 at aol.com Tue Aug 30 08:44:47 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 30 08:45:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY TO VESTA. Message-ID: <11.4c53074b.3045d8ef@aol.com> In a message dated 8/29/2005 3:30:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: I HAVE READ THAT DE MOLAY AND HIS FOLLOWERS WERE GUILTY OF: 1. DENIAL OF CHRIST. 2. HOMOSEXUALITY. AND: 3. IDOL WORSHIP. Hi Clyde, I feel a debate coming on here. If you substitute Roman Catholics for DE MOLAY , ------------------- protestants for hundreds of years have believed the same about that Christian Church. My heart breaks for the millions of people who have deep and true faith in the Church only to be given blow after blow each and every day to their trust in Gods representatives on earth. The Irish Catholics from South Boston, Southies they call themselves, have been devastated by their churches, priests and the actions or lack of action by their Pope. I fear we may be at the beginning of , if not end of that church, the end of religious life as Catholics have known here in America since Rhode Island was settled. All branches of Free Masons admit into membership all races and faiths. You do not have to be a Christian, Protestant, white, rich, from any society family to join. You will not be recruited or asked to join these groups, YOU must seek them out. Family is tops for them, I have READ that if a man joins the Masons he is forbidden to get a divorce, must support his children, and care for his ageing parents. I suggest you stop reading and track down someone who is a Mason, show interest, and get the real deal facts. I am in no way saying that all Masons are the salt of the earth, some are in fact scumbags, vultures, and McNastys. But as in real life the majority of them will impress you to no end. REGARDS Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050830/6ccc8d52/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 30 10:40:29 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 30 10:40:51 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REPLY TO VESTA. In-Reply-To: <11.4c53074b.3045d8ef@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Aug 30, 2005 11:44:47 AM Message-ID: <20050830174029.43525.qmail@mall-net.com> > I fear we may be at the beginning of , if not end of that church, the end > of religious life as Catholics have known here in America since Rhode Island > was settled. Christianity wants to make you feel like a sinner so they have control over you. > All branches of Free Masons admit into membership all races and faiths. You > do not have to be a Christian, Protestant, white, rich, from any society > family to join. You will not be recruited or asked to join these groups, YOU > must seek them out. > Family is tops for them, I have READ that if a man joins the Masons he > is forbidden to get a divorce, must support his children, and care for his > ageing parents. My father is a Mason. A lot of people are. Decent folks. I'm not a joiner in anything, So I didn't join. It is natural for people to form sub-groups. The natural number is seven. Look at most TV shows, and you will see no more than seven main characters. When you get more than that, you start forming sub-groups. > I suggest you stop reading and track down someone who is a Mason, show > interest, and get the real deal facts. I am in no way saying that all Masons > are the salt of the earth, some are in fact scumbags, vultures, and > McNastys. But as in real life the majority of them will impress you to no end. It's the same way with most groups. Once you get to know them, they are just people. Maybe a few ideas different; but it is mostly rituals which hold them together. I'm just not into rituals, most of which are meaningless to me, so none of this has meaning to me. To others, it is ritual that binds them to other people. (Shrug). -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 18:12:36 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 30 18:12:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] NEW ORLEANS UNDER MARTIAL LAW. Message-ID: <20050831011236.87846.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> NEW ORLEANS UNDER MARTIAL LAW: WEBLINK: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/8/30/140814.shtml --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050830/1c11a8fd/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 18:30:25 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 30 18:30:34 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] GET THE U.S. OUT OF THE U.N, AND THE U.N. OUT OF THE U.S. Message-ID: <20050831013025.51034.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> GET THE U.S. OUT OF THE U.N, AND THE U.N. OUT OF THE U.S. : WEBLINK: http://cassandra2004.blogspot.com/2004/11/get-un-out-of-us.html --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050830/a8f6ae84/attachment.html From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 18:46:27 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Aug 30 18:46:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] GET THE U.S. OUT OF THE U.N, AND THE U.N. OUT OF THE U.S. In-Reply-To: <20050831013025.51034.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050831014627.65826.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, I beg to differ. I rather like the UN. Please show me facts that the USA is being improperly influenced by the UN. Bob (dropping the hand covering on the floor) --- clyde lofton wrote: > > GET THE U.S. OUT OF THE U.N, AND THE U.N. OUT > OF THE U.S. : > > WEBLINK: > > http://cassandra2004.blogspot.com/2004/11/get-un-out-of-us.html > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Aug 30 18:56:56 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Aug 30 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Retaking America from despots, one speed trap at a time Message-ID: <008301c5adcf$4554fb80$d0c5bc41@mikey> Tennessee Court of Appeals Allows Speed Limit Challenge Full text of a Tennessee Appeals Court decision allowing a challenge to a speed trap in the city of Oak Ridge. When an Oak Ridge, Tennessee police officer stopped motorist Diana Brown for speeding on July 11, 2003 he probably never realized that doing his duty that day would end up costing his city several thousand dollars. Last Friday, Brown won a crucial case in the Tennessee Court of Appeals with the three judge panel handing the substantial bill for the appeal itself to Oak Ridge. Brown had tried to argue in Oak Ridge Municipal Court two years ago that the 45 MPH speed limit on South Illinois Avenue (State Route 62) was posted too low, in violation of federal guidelines set forth in the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices. The trial court judge refused even to listen to that line of argument. http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/06/623.asp From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 19:02:40 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 30 19:02:45 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINKS. In-Reply-To: <20050831014646.15156.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050831020240.46982.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> HEY Y'ALL : SINCE I HAVE CHANGED TO BEING AN INDEPENDENT, I CHOOSE TO ASSUME THAT THE TWIN TOWERS WERE BROUGHT DOWN BY A COMBINATION OF BOTH THE MILITARY PLANES THAT WERE FLOWN INTO THEM, AND BY CHARGES: EQUALLY. YOU ALL CAN REFUTE MY CRAZY STANCE, BUT I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN WHAT ANY OF YOU BELIEVE. GOVERNMENT AND TERRORSITS ARE WORKING IN A COOPERATIVE EFFORT, TO DIVIDE US ALL, AND TO BRING THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY DOWN. INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL FOR NUCLEAR WEATHER CONTROL. GONE CRAZY: CLYDE 1. http://members.aol.com/davetalan/pinochio.html 2. http://members.aol.com/davetalan/cartoonC.html 3. http://www.infowars.com/cartoons.htm 4. http://www.infowars.com/cartoons_2.htm 5. http://www.infowars.com/cartoons_3.htm 6. http://www.mad-scientists.org/pipermail/mad-scientists/2005-April/000463.html 7. http://www.mad-scientists.org/pipermail/mad-scientists/2005-February/000123.html 8. http://www.whyfiles.org/210political_science/3.html 9. http://www.tophitsonline.com/lyrics.php?songid=8466 10. http://www.michael.leland.name/tul002.htm 11. http://www.cityplextowers.com 12. http://www.assassinationscience.com/wtc.html 13. http://www.Krishna-das.com/wtc/wtc6.htm 14. http://www.t-shirthumor.com/Merchant2/products/chen.html?Category_Code=newr --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050830/e33b919b/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 19:18:29 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 30 19:18:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] IMPEACHMENT! Message-ID: <20050831021829.2636.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> IMPEACH THE CLINTONS AND THE BUSHES ALIKE; LET'S START THIS COUNTRY ALL OVER AGAIN FROM SCRATCH. CLYDE LOFTON --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050830/84caf4d5/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 30 19:41:43 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 30 19:41:46 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINKS. In-Reply-To: <20050831020240.46982.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 30, 2005 07:02:40 PM Message-ID: <20050831024143.15242.qmail@mall-net.com> > YOU ALL CAN REFUTE MY CRAZY STANCE, > BUT I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN WHAT ANY OF > YOU BELIEVE. Well... I guess we can just ignore you then. Is that what you wish? We do care about you. And as Vesta put it, you are thus obligated to care about us. Otherwise, why should we reply? > SINCE I HAVE CHANGED TO BEING AN > INDEPENDENT, I CHOOSE TO ASSUME > THAT THE TWIN TOWERS WERE BROUGHT > DOWN BY A COMBINATION OF BOTH THE > MILITARY PLANES THAT WERE FLOWN > INTO THEM, AND BY CHARGES: EQUALLY. Numerous arguments to the contrary have been posted here and elsewhere across the net. We are mad scientists, not gullible scientists. Despite our madness in resisting convention, our resistance has to be based in logic and personal observation. In other words, to be a true mad scientist, you have to be operating within some reasonable frame of reference. The twin tower conspiracy thing does not fit that rational, fact based frame of reference. It is as if you decided to speak Swahili, a language we can't understand. And if you don't care about our rational frame of reference, or us, where is the basis for dialog? Why should we care about you? Communication is a two way street with common assumptions, and care about the other party as the basis. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 30 19:49:39 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 30 19:49:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] NEW ORLEANS UNDER MARTIAL LAW. In-Reply-To: <20050831011236.87846.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Aug 30, 2005 06:12:36 PM Message-ID: <20050831024939.19384.qmail@mall-net.com> > NEW ORLEANS UNDER MARTIAL LAW: So? that's the proper thing to do when the police are inadequate to the challenge, be it mobs or natural disaster. Use to be, looters were shot dead on sight to keep them from degenerating to killing and looting homes. It was certainly took a lot fewer police or national guardsmen than catching the idiots. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 19:54:55 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 30 19:55:09 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] GET THE U.S. OUT OF THE U.N, AND THE U.N. OUT OF THE U.S. In-Reply-To: <20050831014627.65826.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050831025455.54999.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> LUCIFER('S) TRUST: 1. http://www.lucistrust.org 2. http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/lucifers_network_1.htm CONSTITUTION PARTY: 1. http://www.constitutionparty.com 2. http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php Robert Juliano < rhjuliano@yahoo.com > wrote: Clyde, I beg to differ. I rather like the UN. Please show me facts that the USA is being improperly influenced by the UN. Bob (dropping the hand covering on the floor) > GET THE U.S. OUT OF THE U.N, AND THE U.N. OUT > OF THE U.S. : > WEBLINK: > http://cassandra2004.blogspot.com/2004/11/get-un-out-of-us.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050830/25e90215/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Aug 30 20:17:09 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Aug 30 20:17:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The UN Message-ID: <008b01c5adda$79f45a60$d0c5bc41@mikey> The UN has utterly failed in its intended purpose to promote peace. (Korea, Iraq, Bosnia, Somalia, Palestine etc.) The UN leadership is nothing more than a den of power-mad thieves who line their pockets at the expense of hard-working Americans- and censor all free speech that disagrees with their Satanic ends. (Oil-for-food, international famine relief, the ITU) The UN is intent upon becoming a totalitarian, non-representative, non-democratic world government. (Law of the Sea Treaty, the current attempt to take over the global Internet) The UN has proven itself to be an inherently corrupt, elitist organization dedicated to the destruction of individual liberty, robbing hard workers in order to feather their own nest at the expense of human suffering, famine, and war. I say we disband the UN in total- immediately! -MB From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 20:23:59 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 30 20:24:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINKS. In-Reply-To: <20050831024143.15242.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050831032359.66796.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: Well... I guess we can just ignore you then. Is that what you wish? NO. We do care about you. And as Vesta put it, you are thus obligated to care about us. YES; I CARE. Otherwise, why should we reply? THERE IS NO NEED TO REPLY TO THIS INSANE E-MAIL. > SINCE I HAVE CHANGED TO BEING AN > INDEPENDENT, I CHOOSE TO ASSUME > THAT THE TWIN TOWERS WERE BROUGHT > DOWN BY A COMBINATION OF BOTH THE > MILITARY - (COMMERCIAL AIRLINER) - PLANES THAT WERE FLOWN > INTO THEM, AND BY CHARGES: EQUALLY. "ALL DONE BY REMOTE CONTROL". THIS CANNOT BE PROVEN THOUGH. Numerous arguments to the contrary have been posted here and elsewhere across the net. I KNOW. We are mad scientists, not gullible scientists. Despite our madness in resisting convention, our resistance has to be based in logic and personal observation. YES. In other words, to be a true mad scientist, you have to be operating within some reasonable frame of reference. The twin tower conspiracy thing does not fit that rational, fact based frame of reference. It is as if you decided to speak Swahili, a language we can't understand. SWAHILI; BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO PRESENT ANY TRUTH, BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS COVERED UP. BUT IT IS ALRIGHT; BECAUSE WE ARE ALL DIVIDED, AS AMERIKANS ANYWAY, UNDER THE NEARLY TOTALITARIAN CORRUPT MEDIA, AND ALL OF THE BULLSHIT THAT IT ENDLESSLY CONVEYS TO ALL OF US, EQUALLY. And if you don't care about our rational frame of reference, or us, where is the basis for dialog? Why should we care about you? Communication is a two way street with common assumptions, and care about the other party as the basis. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050830/bdb7bf2d/attachment.html From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 20:35:08 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Aug 30 20:35:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] LUCIFER('S) TRUST, AND THE CONSTITUTION PARTY. In-Reply-To: <20050831025803.17186.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050831033508.26740.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, as to the constitution party.... I'll pass. If these folks take over, I'll leave the country as fast as possible, rubber rafts are not out of the question. for the record: when I was 8, I had the great fortune to see the ruins of rome. Rome was destroyed (twice) by christianity. There are a lot of good things about christianity, but I don't want one religion running my country's government. Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > > LUCIFER('S) TRUST: > > 1. http://www.lucistrust.org > > 2. > http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/lucifers_network_1.htm > > > CONSTITUTION PARTY: > > 1. http://www.constitutionparty.com > > 2. > http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Aug 30 20:39:12 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Aug 30 20:39:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: The UN In-Reply-To: <20050831032930.61325.qmail@web51914.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009101c5addd$8e26c3d0$d0c5bc41@mikey> > Robert Juliano writes: > as the US usually welshes out on the dues we promised > to pay to the UN, pray tell, how are we losing money > to them? Dues are nothing. From where did the money come to buy the oil in the "oil for food scandal?" This is but one small example of how the UN skims money from supposedly noble efforts to enrich themselves. Another- we freely give food for famine victims- which is diverted and sold at 100% pure profit. There are many ways to rob- and the UN leadership uses them all. > While I've heard that China is making noises about the > primacy of english on the net, and the appalling > ability of its own citizens to research freedom... > I haven't heard anything about the UN trying to take > over internet. I asked my wife about the UN taking > over internet, and she hadn't heard anything. (of Then you have your head in the sand. The ITU is proposing that they take control of all top-level domain name servers. He who writes the phone book controls the phone company! Check it out! Now what about the rest of my examples that you didn't refute? Care to try again? Or is your allegiance to corruption so strong that you refuse to entertain the possibility that the UN is evil? -MB From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 20:39:18 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Aug 30 20:39:28 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] NEW ORLEANS UNDER MARTIAL LAW. In-Reply-To: <20050831024939.19384.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050831033918.35142.qmail@web51910.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, shooting the looters seemed to have kept things at least a little bit more civil. must remember to build machines that kill off hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes. Bob --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > NEW ORLEANS UNDER MARTIAL LAW: > > So? that's the proper thing to do when the > police are inadequate to > the challenge, be it mobs or natural disaster. Use > to be, looters were > shot dead on sight to keep them from degenerating to > killing and looting > homes. It was certainly took a lot fewer police or > national guardsmen > than catching the idiots. > > -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) > CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what > to do. > Nothing in this document should be construed as > medical advice. > My opinions are subject to the availability of > information. > I learn new things each day, and so may change my > opinions. > > For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who > practices > orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend > mine. > Today's > Art Photo > Chem / > Fungus allergies > Dr. > Cathcart / Vit C. > > Arthritis > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights > reserverd. > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 30 20:47:37 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 30 20:47:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] NEW ORLEANS UNDER MARTIAL LAW. In-Reply-To: <20050831033918.35142.qmail@web51910.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Aug 30, 2005 08:39:18 PM Message-ID: <20050831034738.53031.qmail@mall-net.com> > shooting the looters seemed to have kept things at > least a little bit more civil. Yes. Lower rate of recidivism, too. > must remember to build machines that kill off > hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes. There was a fascinating article in Analog magazine some years back, about how we could possibly, if we could build the towers, tap and drain the inversion layer which made the hurricanes possible, thus killing any hurricanes that came our way. Plus, whenever there was an inversion of that scale as to support a hurricane, we could tap the inversion for hydro and wind power running down the towers, etc. It's just that the towers were... a bit large. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 20:50:02 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Aug 30 20:50:07 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] NEW ORLEANS UNDER MARTIAL LAW. In-Reply-To: <20050831034738.53031.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050831035002.14931.qmail@web51912.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, large is good. I've always had a fondness for megastructure projects... Bob --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > shooting the looters seemed to have kept things at > > least a little bit more civil. > > Yes. Lower rate of recidivism, too. > > > must remember to build machines that kill off > > hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes. > > There was a fascinating article in Analog > magazine some years back, > about how we could possibly, if we could build the > towers, tap and drain > the inversion layer which made the hurricanes > possible, thus killing any > hurricanes that came our way. > > Plus, whenever there was an inversion of that > scale as to support a > hurricane, we could tap the inversion for hydro and > wind power running > down the towers, etc. > > It's just that the towers were... a bit large. > > -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ > www.mall-net.com/javilk > --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- > and You! --------------- > --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to > cancel the show, would we? -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > All rights reserved. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com > http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 30 20:52:15 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 30 20:52:21 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: The UN In-Reply-To: <009101c5addd$8e26c3d0$d0c5bc41@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Aug 30, 2005 11:39:12 PM Message-ID: <20050831035215.55712.qmail@mall-net.com> > > While I've heard that China is making noises about the > > primacy of english on the net, and the appalling > > ability of its own citizens to research freedom... > > I haven't heard anything about the UN trying to take > > over internet. I asked my wife about the UN taking > > over internet, and she hadn't heard anything. (of > > Then you have your head in the sand. The ITU is proposing that they take > control of all top-level domain name servers. He who writes the phone book > controls the phone company! This is correct, they are trying to wrest it away from us. After all, our commercial looters have done rather badly at it. > Care to try again? Or is your allegiance to corruption so strong that you > refuse to entertain the possibility that the UN is evil? The question is what is the alternative? Bombing those we disagree with? This adds at least a thin cushion to that. As to the treaties, We who own America really have to get up off the sofa and do something, like attend our town meetings, either in person or via the internet. Many of those meetings are broadcast... That, Apathy, not the Spartains, is what did ancient Athens in. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 30 20:57:50 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 30 20:58:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] LUCIFER('S) TRUST, AND THE CONSTITUTION PARTY. In-Reply-To: <20050831033508.26740.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Aug 30, 2005 08:35:08 PM Message-ID: <20050831035750.58752.qmail@mall-net.com> > There are a lot of good things about christianity, but > I don't want one religion running my country's > government. Theorcrazies are bad because they can not accept that they might be wrong. And then they start labeling this or that person as Evil, and... It's the road between iraq and iruin. Remember, Iatolyaso! -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 21:01:49 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Aug 30 21:01:54 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] LUCIFER('S) TRUST, AND THE CONSTITUTION PARTY. In-Reply-To: <20050831035750.58752.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050831040150.13935.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, Italy has had some much grief over religion... that I'm beginning to wonder it Italy isn't some sort of social test area... same thing goes for Ireland, and a few others. Bob --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > There are a lot of good things about christianity, > but > > I don't want one religion running my country's > > government. > > Theorcrazies are bad because they can not accept > that they might be > wrong. And then they start labeling this or that > person as Evil, and... > It's the road between iraq and iruin. Remember, > Iatolyaso! > > -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ > www.mall-net.com/javilk > --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- > and You! --------------- > --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to > cancel the show, would we? -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > All rights reserved. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com > http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 21:10:19 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Aug 30 21:10:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The UN. In-Reply-To: <20050831035215.55712.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050831041019.77532.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: As to the treaties, We who own America really have to get up off the sofa and do something, like attend our town meetings, either in person or via the internet. I NEED TO CHECK INTO IF THE TULSA SHITTY HALL MEETINGS ARE BROADCAST VIA THE NET. Many of those meetings are broadcast... THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD DO WITH MY MICRO TELEVISION STATION; BROADCAST, AND RE-BROADCAST CITY HALL MEETINGS. CLYDE That, Apathy, not the Spartains, is what did ancient Athens in. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050830/2d706446/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Aug 30 21:16:13 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Aug 30 21:16:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: The UN In-Reply-To: <20050831034844.28857.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009801c5ade2$b9ae9e10$d0c5bc41@mikey> > Robert Juliano writes: > he who writes the phonebook is usually owned by the > phone company. Nope The Talking Phone Book isn't. Besides, you are just distorting my metaphor here, and not very well. > also, my wife is a practicing librarian. I believe > that I might be able to get slightly better sources > than you can. If you care to, please list independent, > take it to court proof, that supports your statements. http://www.cbronline.com/article_news.asp?guid=342AF548-3042-4EC4-BD15-58FAF 1398E41 for one. There are thousands. Google it, I will waste no more time on someone who works at being ignorant of current events. This is my opinion, not an ad hominem attack! As much as this story has been in the news over the last weeks and months, I find it unbelievable that someone with a librarian wife could be ignorant of it. Obviously you have an Internet connection, so you must have access to news. Do you not use it to stay abreast of current events? (Rhetorical question, the answer is quite obvious to all.) So WHY NOT? > Personally, I rather like the law of the sea. It means > that folks have to work a little bit harder to throw > crap into the sea and/or steal my boat. And it means that all the resources of the sea belong to Kofi Amman, and his den of thieves! All of the US investment in oceanic industry will be hijacked for the benefit of other countries that have made no investment. It is Socialism, pure and simple. It will discourage, even squelch, oceanic exploration and utilization- exploration which MUST be done if humanity is to long survive on this planet. Nevermind the national security issues- do you REALLY want to trust your life and property to UN protection? Ask the Somalis! > Allegiance to corruption? the best you can throw at me > is an ad hominem attack? phooey. This further proves > that the net lacks the standard social regulators > which act as conversational brakes (namely, accusing > someone of being allied with/ or loving political > corruption can get you chicago curbed, the miami swim, > or just beaten.) And you have yet to provide me with a valid argument, a single citation to support the invalid arguments you did provide, or ANYTHING but kneeoliberal hokum. AND you have ably demonstrated your ignorance on a key point, namely the UN's attempt to hijack the Internet. > Personally, I believe that the UN is a hell of a lot > better than the US taking over (I wouldn't want the > jump in taxes for either the security forces, the > ocean cleanups, or the loss of information standards.) > of course, it means that the world hasn't become a > theocracy, which seems to be the core sore point. The Iraq Oil-For-Food debacle proved that Kofi Amman, et al. are thieves. I prefer USA thieves ruling us to African thieves. After all, they sold their brethren to slavers two centuries ago- why would they not sell ME AND YOU into slavery? -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 30 21:19:03 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 30 21:19:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The UN In-Reply-To: <008b01c5adda$79f45a60$d0c5bc41@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Aug 30, 2005 11:17:09 PM Message-ID: <20050831041903.69508.qmail@mall-net.com> > > The UN has utterly failed in its intended purpose to promote peace. = > (Korea, > Iraq, Bosnia, Somalia, Palestine etc.) The problem with the UN, is that it has no teeth. Then again, if it did, it would be a far worse problem! > The UN leadership is nothing more than a den of power-mad thieves who > line > their pockets at the expense of hard-working Americans- and > censor all = > free > speech that disagrees with their Satanic ends. > (Oil-for-food, = > international > famine relief, the ITU) The road up in the third world kleptocracies basically discriminates against the reasonable man. Thus, by the time the UN representatives from the kleptocracies are selected... And these kleptocrats then form groups to klept from us. They need to be Clipped. > The UN is intent upon becoming a totalitarian, non-representative, > non-democratic world government. (Law of the Sea Treaty, the current = > attempt to take over the global Internet) The Law of the Sea treaty and some of the others have interesting, and really odd sources. Read John Pina Craven's book "The Silent War". Remember the big deal about Manganese Nodules,the Glomar Challenger, and the botched coverup about salvaging a Ruski sub that sank in the Pacific, etc.? The first deal came out of that. Why? Because the Ruski sub exploded and sank trying to launch nuclear missiles at Hawaii, the captain having gone nuts trying to start WW-III. Our law of the sea deal came out of our trying to LOOK like we were covering up the salvage, so that: 1.) The sovs would realize the sub DID go AWOL, DID try to launch missiles, etc. and thus that they had some serious instability problems in the military which they had better do something about damned quick before they accidently started WW-III! 2.) The sovs would not find out we COULD have salvaged it all from underwater (and would thus have blown many of our submarine Ruski phone cable taps.) Dr. Craven's book is fascinating! He was the chief scientist of our nuclear navy. Adamant opponent of Teller, whom he calls crazy in the book. It is a fascinating game that was played out, with one part of our intelligence service looking and waiting for the breakdown of the sov military discipline, which they felt had to happen. And they were right. > The UN has proven itself to be an inherently corrupt, elitist = > > organization > dedicated to the destruction of individual liberty, > robbing hard workers = > in > order to feather their own nest at the > expense of human suffering, = > famine, > and war. A major problem! > I say we disband the UN in total- immediately! I am not qualified to render a good opinion on the balance. We DO need something out there. Something NOT run by a bunch of Kleptocrats! Sadly, the solution to kleptocrazy is usually totalitarianism, which then ends up fighting more kleptocrazies working under the guise of communism and/or theocrasy. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 30 21:33:57 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 30 21:34:01 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: The UN In-Reply-To: <009801c5ade2$b9ae9e10$d0c5bc41@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Aug 31, 2005 12:16:13 AM Message-ID: <20050831043357.77986.qmail@mall-net.com> > > Personally, I rather like the law of the sea. It means > > that folks have to work a little bit harder to throw > > crap into the sea and/or steal my boat. > > And it means that all the resources of the sea belong to Kofi Amman, and = > his > den of thieves! All of the US investment in oceanic industry will be The next source of fuel is the methane clathrates on the continental shelves. Do we want the UN to claim all that POWER and INCOME which would then enable the kleptocratic representatives to maneover us into yet another energy shortage, to deliberately SQUEEZE the USA dry, the very nation that founded the UN, that cleaned the world of TWO murderous totalitarian Germanic nations which sought to kill substantial portions of the world's population? (Not to mention confounded a few other totalitarian nations.) > It is Socialism, pure and simple. It will discourage, even squelch, = > oceanic > exploration and utilization- exploration which MUST be done if humanity = > is > to long survive on this planet. RIGHT! That treaty that gave the Moon away was the dog damned biggest piece of utter self sabotage that ever happened!!! It was the equivalent of sayong NO to the Louisianta Purchase!!! > Nevermind the national security issues- do you REALLY want to trust your > life and property to UN protection? Ask the Somalis! =20 RIGHT! > AND you have ably demonstrated your ignorance on a key point, namely the > UN's attempt to hijack the Internet. This was discussed on the Webmaster's group several times in the past when the UN tried to do this before. > The Iraq Oil-For-Food debacle proved that Kofi Amman, et al. are = > thieves. I > prefer USA thieves ruling us to African thieves. After all, they sold = > their > brethren to slavers two centuries ago- why would they not sell ME AND = > YOU > into slavery? Yep. But you know, even our theives can be wrong. Look what Nixon did for the Chinese... set up the means for them to fund their massive military growth via exports. ANd now, they are bidding against us in the oil markets, driving up the cost of oil astronomically. Yes, the Chinese and the Indians! A different course might have had the Chinese allowing real democracy before allowing all those imports on our shores. THEN... the Chinese people might have done one hell of a lot better. Now, the question is whether WW-III starts with China and North Korea vs Taiwan and the USA, or Pakistan vs India. Without China, Pakistan vs India would not escalate to WW-III. But China will step in. Our real problem is energy. We need to jump on clathrates ASAP! From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Aug 30 21:48:30 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Aug 30 21:48:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: The UN In-Reply-To: <20050831043357.77986.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Aug 31, 2005 04:33:57 AM Message-ID: <20050831044830.88152.qmail@mall-net.com> Craven: "The Silent War" Reviews and comments on Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684872137/qid=1125460994/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-0428146-9618234?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 -JVV- From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Aug 31 06:44:40 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 31 06:45:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pistols, swords, or cow chips Message-ID: In a message dated 8/30/2005 9:47:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rhjuliano@yahoo.com writes: Bob (dropping the hand covering on the floor) I would be honored to be your second Bob. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050831/1cd3dfba/attachment.html From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 07:11:11 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Wed Aug 31 07:11:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pistols, swords, or cow chips In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050831141111.90640.qmail@web51914.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta, I would be honored for you to be my second. After the duel - in keeping with tradition - I'll treat us to a feast. Bob --- Vesta111@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/30/2005 9:47:00 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > rhjuliano@yahoo.com writes: > > Bob (dropping the hand covering on the floor) > > > > I would be honored to be your second Bob. > Regards > Vesta > > > No man survives when freedom fails, The best men > rot in filthy jails, And > those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by > those they tried to please." > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Aug 31 08:42:38 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 31 08:42:49 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINKS. Message-ID: <204.90659a2.304729ee@aol.com> In a message dated 8/30/2005 10:03:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: HEY Y'ALL : SINCE I HAVE CHANGED TO BEING AN INDEPENDENT, I CHOOSE TO ASSUME THAT THE TWIN TOWERS WERE BROUGHT DOWN BY A COMBINATION OF BOTH THE MILITARY PLANES THAT WERE FLOWN INTO THEM, AND BY CHARGES: EQUALLY. YOU ALL CAN REFUTE MY CRAZY STANCE, BUT I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN WHAT ANY OF YOU BELIEVE. GOVERNMENT AND TERRORSITS ARE WORKING IN A COOPERATIVE EFFORT, TO DIVIDE US ALL, AND TO BRING THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY DOWN. INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL FOR NUCLEAR WEATHER CONTROL. GONE CRAZY: CLYDE YOU ARE NOT CRAZY CLYDE !!!!!! There are times when I think you need to chill out, but after yesterday, I can see "SOMEWHAT" where you are coming from. Against better judgment, I simped out and took in an abused Parakeet, poor thing an emotional wreck. So my LOML (love of my life) decided bird needed a buddy since we all work 10 to 12 hours a day and bird would get lonely. Went to local pet store and selected a 20.00 dollar friend for " Peanut." Here's where it gets SPOOKY. After I paid cash for bird, I was handed 2 government forms to fill out. YUP, that's what I said, 2 forms for Uncle Sam. Now like most kids from the woods of Maine and New Hampshire, (male and female) I was raised around guns, and to this day enjoy target practice. When I go to the local gun shop to buy a fire arm I fill out one small yellow paper swearing I am an American and not now or ever been in a mental hospital or a felon. That's all there is to my buying any legal weapon in New Hampshire. The clerk will call in to the police my drivers license for a check and get a ok to sell within 5 minutes. And no you don' t have to register the arms since police know you bought them. In less then 30 minutes in this state I can buy a CANNON , but to buy a Parakeet I have to fill out forms that between reading them and answering questions about my residence, phone, reason for purchase , etc. I was in the shop close to an hour. I HATE to tell the government anything more then who I am so they can collect their taxes. The people I bought the bird from gave me very vague reasons why I had to complete the forms. These birds are breed here in the state, not imported or originate from anywhere else. This is not a place where the birds could go wild if they escaped, birds would starve or be eaten by wild birds if they got away. They said something about the Pheasant or Partridge family ( not the 60 ies group ) but it was all gobblie-gook to me. I remember the clerk saying that if something goes wrong, someone would call and warn me. My LOML gave me this look of complete confusion, we had bought a 3 once bird, not an AK47. What could go wrong to bring the police, in full swat gear most likely, to my home to confiscate a Parakeet ?????????? Clyde, life for us baby boomers has changed so fast and in such strange ways, You think red tape drives you boinkers, think of what it does to us. About the only way I stay sane is to go with the flow. Except the changes, but , question everything. You can't fight city hall, BUT, you can as we Americans are taught to do, look for the LOOP HOLES. There are loop holes in everything from cutting your food costs by using store brands to getting a free education by applying for a grant from what ever your ethnic group is. Can't afford a lawyer, there is Pro Bono. There are millions of loop holes that are ethical and legal , search them out. I know someone who was fired and they used the RACE CARD, they are a white Jew, boss was Black Muslim. They won the case. YOU are not crazy Clyde, if everyone around you seems to be crazy, you be sly like a fox and navigate your way around the worse. Keep an open mind, but don't go pro or con about anything until you do the best research you can about what ever. Grandpa used to say, "Don't believe everything you hear and only half of what you see". Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050831/0bb3ff79/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Aug 31 08:53:35 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 31 08:53:51 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The UN Message-ID: <1c3.2fecdca9.30472c7f@aol.com> In a message dated 8/30/2005 11:17:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mbest@triad.rr.com writes: The UN has proven itself to be an inherently corrupt, elitist organization dedicated to the destruction of individual liberty, robbing hard workers in order to feather their own nest at the expense of human suffering, famine, and war. I say we disband the UN in total- immediately! Yup, but the same can be said of any organization anywhere when you have humans running things. I can say the same of Local Politics, PTA, RED CROSS, SALVATION ARMY, NAME A CHURCH THAT DOESN'T HAVE INEPT PEOPLE RUNNING THINGS. I BELIEVE WE NEED THE UN YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN ANY GROUP WILL STUMBLE ON THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BY RIGHT I MEAN THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO BENIFIT OTHERS NOT JUST THEMSELVES. REGARDS VESTA No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050831/384940d5/attachment-0001.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Aug 31 10:01:11 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 31 10:01:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pistols, swords, or cow chips Message-ID: In a message dated 8/31/2005 10:11:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rhjuliano@yahoo.com writes: I would be honored for you to be my second. After the duel - in keeping with tradition - I'll treat us to a feast. Bob A FEAST, how nice. Lets start a menu now. There's a buffalo farm about 10 miles from here, not something you see every day in New Hampshire. They sell to local stores and eateries buffalo meat. Ever had a buffalo roast ? I could look around for a local farmer that sells Ostrich stakes,( would like to try that). Naturally there is native lobster, little neck clam steamers, not to mention the fried clams from IPSWITCH Mass. Be still my heart and stomach. Got to have Talapia, it is a farmed fish from Indonesia that my company is placing in Club Stores this fall, WOW is it good. It is bought, breaded and frozen. If you like Haddock or Sole this will knock your socks off. Now you need to add to the menu what you would like, I know I will think of lots of other stuff that will make a true Feast for me, it's your turn. Where do you think this Feast should be held, I am looking at the world Atlas to find a unique place. For me the North Pole is out, too cold. Not Panama, canal zone, too hot. We need to find a place that neither of us will ever go in real life, at least we at this time don't think we will ever get to. This has to be a real place, not Atlantis or Utopia. Interesting intellectual exercise, haven't done this in years, thank you Bob. Have you ever eaten Australian Grubs, ???? Think I will pass on that one. Regards Hungry Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050831/478f8ecb/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 11:30:04 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Aug 31 11:30:14 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The UN. In-Reply-To: <20050831043357.77986.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050831183005.435.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: But you know, even our theives can be wrong. Look what Nixon did for the Chinese... set up the means for them to fund their massive military growth via exports. AND now, they are bidding against us in the oil markets, driving up the cost of oil astronomically. Yes, the Chinese and the Indians! A different course might have had the Chinese allowing real democracy before allowing all those imports on our shores. LET'S EXPORT ALL OF THE WORTHLESS CHINESE GARBAGE BACK TO CHINA; AND START THIS COUNTRY ALL OVER AGAIN, FROM SCRATCH. THEN... the Chinese people might have done one hell of a lot better. Now, the question is whether WW-III starts with China and North Korea vs Taiwan and the USA, I HAVE A HUNCH THAT THAT IS WHERE IT WILL START. I COULD BE WRONG. or Pakistan vs India. Without China, Pakistan vs India would not escalate to WW-III. But China will step in. FUCK CHINA. Our real problem is energy. We need to jump on clathrates ASAP! AMEN TO THAT! CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050831/db223e86/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 11:38:14 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Aug 31 11:38:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The UN. In-Reply-To: <20050831043357.77986.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050831183814.91584.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: Our real problem is energy. ENERGY, AS WELL AS THE IMMORALITY ISSUES THAT FACE THIS COUNTRY. THOSE ARE THE PRIME ISSUES WHICH WE ALL NEED TO FACE! We need to jump on clathrates ASAP! YES. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050831/748187a8/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 12:04:29 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Aug 31 12:04:40 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] CLATHRATES. Message-ID: <20050831190430.93426.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> I DON'T KNOW SHAMPOO FROM SHIT ABOUT CLATHRATES AND ZEOLITES, BUT CAN THEY BE SYNTHETICALLY PRODUCED 'FAIRLY' CHEAPLY? AND WHAT ARE THE WASTE BYPRODUCTS, FROM BOTH THE PRODUCTION OF THEM, AND FROM THE BURNING OF THEM, IF ANY? DO CLATHRATES BURN CLEAN? CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050831/2c6ae612/attachment.html From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 12:14:16 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Wed Aug 31 12:14:21 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The UN. In-Reply-To: <20050831183814.91584.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050831191417.67596.qmail@web51913.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, It depends on how you define immorality. if you are limiting the definition to oath breaking, random violence, blatant theft, corporate malfeasence (sp), and social oppression... I'll help! As a great deal of my friends are bi/gay/lesbian/trans/pagan/wiccan/poly/etc... I might feel a need to shield them from a domestic crusade... Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > > javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > Our real problem is energy. > > ENERGY, AS WELL AS THE > IMMORALITY ISSUES THAT > FACE THIS COUNTRY. > > THOSE ARE THE PRIME ISSUES > WHICH WE ALL NEED TO FACE! > > We need to jump on clathrates ASAP! > > YES. > > CLYDE > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Aug 31 13:17:34 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Aug 31 13:17:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pistols, swords, or cow chips Message-ID: <00f901c5ae69$063346b0$d0c5bc41@mikey> Don't be so hasty in planning your menu! I might just ask Javilk to be my second, and then your feast might well be crow in five flavors, extra spicy! Soaking the crow in buttermilk first dramatically improves the flavor. And I suggest a nice white Zinfandel to accompany crow. -MB -----Original Message----- Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:01:11 EDT From: Vesta111@aol.com In a message dated 8/31/2005 10:11:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rhjuliano@yahoo.com writes: I would be honored for you to be my second. After the duel - in keeping with tradition - I'll treat us to a feast. Bob A FEAST, how nice. Lets start a menu now. There's a buffalo farm about 10 miles from here, not something you see every day in New Hampshire. They sell to local stores and eateries buffalo meat. Ever had a buffalo roast ? I could look around for a local farmer that sells Ostrich stakes,( would like to try that). Naturally there is native lobster, little neck clam steamers, not to mention the fried clams from IPSWITCH Mass. Be still my heart and stomach. Got to have Talapia, it is a farmed fish from Indonesia that my company is placing in Club Stores this fall, WOW is it good. It is bought, breaded and frozen. If you like Haddock or Sole this will knock your socks off. Now you need to add to the menu what you would like, I know I will think of lots of other stuff that will make a true Feast for me, it's your turn. Where do you think this Feast should be held, I am looking at the world Atlas to find a unique place. For me the North Pole is out, too cold. Not Panama, canal zone, too hot. We need to find a place that neither of us will ever go in real life, at least we at this time don't think we will ever get to. This has to be a real place, not Atlantis or Utopia. Interesting intellectual exercise, haven't done this in years, thank you Bob. Have you ever eaten Australian Grubs, ???? Think I will pass on that one. Regards Hungry Vesta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050831/d1ba8206/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Aug 31 13:37:53 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Aug 31 13:37:59 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A random thought regarding the UN Message-ID: <010001c5ae6b$dd88f040$d0c5bc41@mikey> I am so thankful that the United Nations has sprung into action to provide emergency aid and relief to all American victims of Hurricane Katrina! Just check out the extensive coverage of this disaster on their website: http://www.un.org! The blinding speed with which they help the USA is amazing, compared to how slow they were in helping Asians after the tsunami last Christmas, and reacting to the present famine in Africa! I am SOOO thankful we have such fine friends at the UN! F**K THE UN WITH A RENTED D*LDO! -MB From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 15:29:03 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Aug 31 15:29:08 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The UN. In-Reply-To: <20050831191417.67596.qmail@web51913.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050831222903.62711.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Robert Juliano < rhjuliano@yahoo.com > wrote: Clyde, It depends on how you define immorality. if you are limiting the definition to oath breaking, random violence, blatant theft, corporate malfeasence (sp), and social oppression... I'll help! As a great deal of my friends are bi/gay/lesbian/trans/pagan/wiccan/poly/etc... I might feel a need to shield them from a domestic crusade... MORAL CHASTITY. IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN ON A GRAND UNIFIED SCALE THOUGH, AND THE WORLD ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE OVERNIGHT; I KNOW. Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > > javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > Our real problem is energy. > > ENERGY, AS WELL AS THE > IMMORALITY ISSUES THAT > FACE THIS COUNTRY. > > THOSE ARE THE PRIME ISSUES > WHICH WE ALL NEED TO FACE! > > We need to jump on clathrates ASAP! > > YES. > > CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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PSYCHOLOGICAL. 3. NEUROLOGICAL. 4. CARDIOLOGICAL. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050831/4c2f7018/attachment.html From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 16:45:55 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Wed Aug 31 16:45:59 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The UN. In-Reply-To: <20050831222903.62711.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050831234555.87191.qmail@web51915.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, If you mean... "all folks must wait until they are married, and then only be with one person for the rest of their life..." I'll pass. I don't order people to live in a particular way, as long as they don't harm others. Please don't try and tell me how to live my life. Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > > Robert Juliano < rhjuliano@yahoo.com > wrote: > > > Clyde, > > It depends on how you define immorality. if you are > limiting the definition to oath breaking, random > violence, blatant theft, corporate malfeasence (sp), > and social oppression... I'll help! > > As a great deal of my friends are > bi/gay/lesbian/trans/pagan/wiccan/poly/etc... > I might feel a need to shield them from a domestic > crusade... > > MORAL CHASTITY. > IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN > ON A GRAND UNIFIED SCALE > THOUGH, AND THE WORLD > ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE > OVERNIGHT; I KNOW. > > Bob > > --- clyde lofton wrote: > > > > > > > javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > > > > Our real problem is energy. > > > > ENERGY, AS WELL AS THE > > IMMORALITY ISSUES THAT > > FACE THIS COUNTRY. > > > > THOSE ARE THE PRIME ISSUES > > WHICH WE ALL NEED TO FACE! > > > > We need to jump on clathrates ASAP! > > > > YES. > > > > CLYDE > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Aug 31 17:29:12 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Aug 31 17:29:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Another step towards fusion power Message-ID: <000001c5ae8c$2d670d70$d0c5bc41@mikey> And this one is aneutronic- clean. No 2.4 Mev neutrons to shield! http://snipurl.com/hcrf From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Aug 31 17:35:47 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Aug 31 17:36:02 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Another step towards fusion power In-Reply-To: <000001c5ae8c$2d670d70$d0c5bc41@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Aug 31, 2005 08:29:12 PM Message-ID: <20050901003547.7945.qmail@mall-net.com> > > And this one is aneutronic- clean. No 2.4 Mev neutrons to shield! > > http://snipurl.com/hcrf Access denied. Can you summarize? -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 31 17:39:17 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Aug 31 17:39:28 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] PERSISTANT PROBLEMS. Message-ID: <20050901003917.34683.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> 1. FINANCIAL IMPEDENCE IN THE PATH, EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. 2. INTERFERENCE FROM OTHERS, EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. 3. AMERICAN TECHNICAL ECONOMIC INDEPENDENCE AND FREEDOM SOLD OUT, TO COUNTRIES LIKE: CHINA, TAIWAN, MEXICO, IRAQ, SOUTH AMERICA, EUROPE, AND JAPAN. 4. ECONOMIC INDEPENDENCE AND FREEDOM FOR THE NORTH AMERICAN STATES.... ARE THEY A BYGONE DREAM FOR EVERYONE EQUALLY? 5. THE MORAL UNDERMINING OF, AND MASS SCALE SOCIALIZATION OF THE NORTH AMERICAN STATES. 6. THE PLANNED DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050831/a0740376/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Aug 31 19:38:29 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Aug 31 19:38:36 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Tesla and Katrina In-Reply-To: <000701c5ac35$556ce050$6601a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Aug 28, 2005 09:02:30 PM Message-ID: <20050901023829.79462.qmail@mall-net.com> > New Orleans is below sea level, protected by levees and pumps- pumps > designed by Nikola Tesla, powered by Tesla dynamos, all built by George > Westinghouse. They are Tesla two-phase AC motors with six-foot diameter > armatures, powered by their own two-phase dynamos operating at twenty = > Hertz, > independent of the commercial mains. These pumps have the ability to = > pump > the entire Mississippi river dry. =20 I'm not so sure about the entire river... I thought the news said they were only designed for rainy days, not tropical storms. Well, looks like between the levees and the pumps, New Orleans lost. They say the pumps, when they all run again, can pull down one foot per day. 24 feet of water... and rising, not falling. Maybe it's time to acknowledge that New Orleans just isn't located in the best of places for humans to live. Maybe... it's time to rebuild New Orleans on higher ground elsewhere. New Orleans is sending refugees from the Superdome to the Astrodome, where New Orleans expects they will live for months. Houston expects them to be there for only a few days, a few weeks at the most. Reality isn't always what we expect it to be... -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Aug 31 20:18:39 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Aug 31 20:18:43 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Psych Drugs In-Reply-To: <20050901023829.79462.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Sep 01, 2005 02:38:29 AM Message-ID: <20050901031839.5165.qmail@mall-net.com> Article suggests Psych drugs overhyped, not effective, and may cause more trouble than they cure. http://www.newstarget.com/011353.html See also http://www.BolenReport.com/ -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. 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