From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Dec 1 00:15:40 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Dec 1 00:15:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] What Now, European Cooling? Message-ID: <20051201071540.83014.qmail@mall-net.com> A recent article in New Scientist says that the Atlantic Conveyor is failing. This is the flow of warm water which gives Europe its modern balmy weather. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8398 Europe is likely to experience colder weather! Some blame it on Global Warming. Their theory is that with higher evaporation, the current becomes more salty, hence denser, and more of it splits downward before reaching Europe. Others blame lower salinity of the polar and northern Atlantic due to Siberian snow melts. Or a combination of the two. These are, of course, blamed on the massive release of CO2 in the past 200 years. According to ice cores, CO2 levels are higher than they have been for over half a million years. Interestingly enough, plants exposed to higher CO2 levels grow much better than they do today, because they evolved in higher levels of CO2, albeit quite more than half a million years ago. It is interesting to go back in history and look at other periods of time. The MWP, Medieval Warm Period (MWP), roughly 800 - 1300 AD, had temperatures higher than we have today. We didn't have the industry to cause massive green house gases release in that era. This episode gave rise to the Viking colonies on Greenland and Iceland, and let England compete with France in wine making to a far greater extent than today. The Medieval Warm Period quickly gave way to the Little Ice Age (LIA) which lasted around 1300 - 1850. Priests writings and other journals of the times speak of murderous frosts, incredible hardships, and crop failures. It devastated the Viking colonies in Greenland, and caused serious population declines in Iceland, Northern portions of Europe, and elsewhere. It also converted the lush meadowlands of Central North America into the grasslands of the Great Plains, giving the surviving American Indian cultures an interesting perspective on Ecology. Cold storage of damp grain during this era also gave rise to many cases of Ergot poisoning, which may have been one of the causes of the witch hunts of the middle ages. (The discovery of a popular "street drug" of the time which caused people to feel like they were flying through the air is cited by some as another cause of witch hunts, especially since typical application was by application to the genitalia via a broom, and the window between effective and lethal doses was somewhat narrow, according to more recent research. The formula has been preserved, or perhaps reinvented in some modern Wiccan circles, and was discussed in alt.pagan and alt.drugs in the early 90's. Lots of fascinating neurochemistry discussed by professors in alt.drugs in those days along with the comments of those "not qualified to teach" on their trips.) There are many theories regarding these times, ranging from agricultural cutting affecting the atmosphere, to the near absence of sunspots during the Little Ice Age. Each theory is based upon observations, ranging from ice layers, carbon isotope variations, tree rings, crop records, and many other sources. However, we still have no clear winner, nor clear indication as to what is going to happen next. Little Ice Age http://www.grisda.org/origins/10051.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Dec 1 01:06:57 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Dec 1 01:07:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Wobble Glomming In-Reply-To: <006601c5f637$2f6f1390$d0c5bc41@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Dec 01, 2005 12:22:09 AM Message-ID: <20051201080657.9134.qmail@mall-net.com> > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1898493,00.html > > I do love the math here! > > "Scientists have long predicted that melting ice caps could disrupt the > currents that keep Britain at least 5C (40F) warmer than it should be." > > Since when does 5C=3D40F??? I've heard of Global Warming, but THIS is > ridiculous!=20 The article in New Scientist was considerably more circumspect than the one in The London Times. Perhaps they can host frost fairs on the Thames again, as they use to in the early 1800's, when it froze regularly. > And the geography! > > "The Southampton team measured current flow across a latitude of 250N." The New Scientist article said 40N -- Portugal and New York > Oh well, I guess this is what happens when kneoliberal idiots only THINK > they know Science. Give a fool a Macintosh with a word processor > application, and just watch the fun! The kicker is that not only does = > the writer not know how stupid he looks, neither does his editor! And this = > is The London Times?!? Yep... no one has a clue! And it seems, not even those who support Global Warming as man-caused. > Please leave the Science to us Mad Scientists, would you? This = > ludicrous crap makes me wonder if they have a hidden agenda to discredit then = > entire theory of Wobble Glomming! Nope, they is just fuse blown lubberals out to sell more advertising! As a friend says, when they sell more advertising, they create more news to support the extra pages. After reading this scary fantasy, most ignorant folks will come back for more information on when it's supposed to happen. According to some theories, within ten years. Might be time to sell acreage in the Sahara. It will probably bloom. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Dec 1 18:34:37 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Dec 1 18:34:45 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TULSA OKLAHOMA..! In-Reply-To: <20051201002339.1929.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051202013438.43611.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > TULSA OKLAHOMA: > > OVERZONED AND OVERTAXED WITHOUT REPRESENTATION..! There you go again, wasting your time, your life forces upon that which you are unlikely to change. I'VE CHANGED WHAT LITTLE THAT I CAN CHANGE..! AND I'M ABSOLUTELY EXAUSTED BECAUSE OF IT TOO..! ECONOMIC, ECOLOGICAL, ATMOSPHERIC, AND OTHER FORMS OF SLAVERY ARE NO FUN..! BUT THERE IS VERY LITTLE TO NOTHING AT ALL THAT I CAN DO TO CHANGE THOSE REALITIES..! What great research or experimentation have you done which makes you outshine the dullards? I HAVE BARELY COMPLETED THE ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT PROJECT, DUE TO SO MUCH INTERFERENCE FROM FAMILY AND NEIGHBORS. I JUST NEED TO GET AN ELECTROMECHANICAL TIMER NOW, TO CONTROL ITS ON TIME, FOR SAFETY. RIGHT NOW, WITH COMMERICAL DECEMBER THE 25TH UP AND COMING; I MORE THAN LIKELY WILL NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT RESOURCES AVAILABLE, TO BUY A CONTROL TIMER, DUE TO THE LIMITS THAT SOCIAL(ISM)-SLAVEDUMB- -SO-CALLED SECURITY HAVE PLACED UPON ME, ALONG WITH ALL OF THE ENDLESS OTHER GOD DAMNED SHIT THAT LIFE PILES UPON US ALL..! I DID A SIMPLE EXPERIMENT THE OTHER EVENING, TESTING THE OUTPUT OF MY ANEMOMETER, BY WIRING A 1/4" AUDIO PHONE PLUG TO ITS OUTPUT, TO TEST AND SEE IF I WOULD GET FREQENCY MODULATED OUTPUT; MY TEST SHOWED THAT ITS OUTPUT IS AMPLITUDE OUTPUT ONLY; AND SO I AM NOW NEEDING HELP WITH FINDING SOME FORM OF AMPLITUDE TO FREQENCY CONVERTER OUT THERE, IF SUCH EXISTS, TO LISTEN TO THE WIND..! *DO YOU KNOW WHERE I CAN OBTAIN AN AMPLITUDE TO (AUDIO) FREQUENCY CONVERTER???? THAT IS_IF SUCH EXISTS: ELECTRICALLY, ELECTRONICALLY, OR ELECTROMECHANICALLY????* Presumably Tulsan dullards around you? I DON'T HAVE A CONCEPT OF THE WORD: DULLARDS. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THAT WORD, BUT I ASSUME THAT IT HAS A SIMILAR MEANING TO THE WORD: LAGGARDS..! TULSA FOREVER SPINS AROUND AND AROUND IN CIRCLES IN ITS OWN INSANITY, VERY RARELY GOING VERY FAR VERY FAST; THE REASON FOR THE CREATION OF THE SONG: TULSA TIME..! I AM BEYOND THIS HIGH TECH INDUSTRIALIZED SLUM TOWN, YET THIS TOWN IS A PRISON. A MENTALLY / ENVIRONMENTALLY DAMNED-CURSED PLACE TO LIVE; A PRISON FOR THE BODY MIND AND SPIRIT..! Come on, do something beyond the norms of Tulsa. Do something that may bring us all a better life with cheaper energy, greater power, longer life! OK; I'VE GOT A START ON THAT..! THERE IS A HIDDEN SCIENCE OF CONSTRUCTING WHAT ARE KNOWN AS GRIDPOINTS. AND THEY CAN BE SCALED UP TO GARGANTUAN SIZES, FOR RECEIVING QUITE A LARGE AMOUNT OF RADIO ENERGY; HOW MUCH ENERGY EXACTLY? - I DO NOT KNOW..! ; BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A LOT OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO ACQUIRE A LOT OF AMOUNT OF WIRE, TO STACK IT, TO GLUE IT, AND TO CRISS CROSS THE WIRES AT PRECISE 90 DEGREE ANGLES, RELATIVE TO EACH OF THE ABOVE AND BELOW WIRES, ETC.... AND TO ALSO BUILD GRIDPOINTS INSIDE OF VACCUUM CHAMBERS..! REGARDING A BETTER LIFE - HEALTH WISE; I JUST GOT A COPY OF KEVIN TRUDEAU'S AUDIO BOOK VERSION OF: NATURAL CURES "THEY" DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT; AND HAVE BEEN AIRING THAT ON MY L.P.F.M. STATION THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS; AS A PUBLIC SERVICE - FINALLY GIVING MY STATION A LITTLE MORE MEANING TO ITS EXISTANCE; IN BEING OF HELP TO OTHER OUT THERE; INSTEAD OF HURT..! Do not let the forces of dullness (or Tulsa-ness) drag you down to worthlessness. RIGHT ON..! : TULSA-NESS - DULLNESS - WORTHLESSNESS..! Arise! Think Great Thoughts! RIGHT ON..! STRESS HAS DAMN NEAR KILLED SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS HIGH TECH INDUSTRIALIZED THIRD WORLD COUNTRY STYLE TOWN..! MYSELF INCLUDED..! Or if you can't, then at least pick up a copy of "Anyway: The Pardocixal Commandments" for inspiration. OK; IF THERE IS ANY TIME TO CHECK INTO THAT..! TALK TO YOU LATER, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051201/fe833c73/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Thu Dec 1 20:44:13 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Thu Dec 1 20:44:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Wobble Glomming In-Reply-To: <3704FF9F-CEEA-4A64-B834-88AF3A6907A3@mac.com> Message-ID: <018301c5f6f2$aa6ce930$d0c5bc41@mikey> You may well be a neolib, David, but you're no fool. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Blackman [mailto:gribear@mac.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:05 PM > To: javilk@mall-net.com > Cc: mbest@triad.rr.com; mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > Subject: Re: Wobble Glomming > > As a neo-liberal with a macintosh and a word processor software I > guess that New Orleans and the rest of the gulf coast was a neo- > liberal fantasy wet dream. What is astounding to me is that most of > the opposition against Kyoto protocols came from the southeastern US, > The very people who the computer models indicates will be devastated > by the initial effects of global warming. You see we don't just do > word processing on our computers. My models predicted Katrina 5 years > before it happened. Every indication is that my models are a little > too conservative. I actually thought the ice caps would have to melt > before all hell broke loose boy was I wrong. > On Dec 1, 2005, at 12:06 AM, javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > > >> Oh well, I guess this is what happens when kneoliberal idiots only > >> THINK > >> they know Science. Give a fool a Macintosh with a word processor > >> application, and just watch the fun! The kicker is that not only > >> does = > >> the writer not know how stupid he looks, neither does his editor! > >> And this = > >> is The London Times?!? From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Dec 2 12:22:52 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Dec 2 12:23:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Wobble Glomming In-Reply-To: <3704FF9F-CEEA-4A64-B834-88AF3A6907A3@mac.com> from "David Blackman" at Dec 01, 2005 07:04:47 PM Message-ID: <20051202192252.16513.qmail@mall-net.com> If this means you have joined Mad Scientists David, then I welcome you. If not, why not? > As a neo-liberal with a macintosh and a word processor software I > guess that New Orleans and the rest of the gulf coast was a neo- > liberal fantasy wet dream. What is astounding to me is that most of Well, it was certainly wet! A city below sea level? Not a wise thing! (For many reasons!) And Governor Blanco... ah... she caused a lot of the disaster by refusing FEMA's entry into her state till many days after the disaster, refused the National Guard any police powers, refused non-Louisiana doctors the right to practice medicine in assistance of her population, etc. etc. etc. Blanco is why Louisiana was that much worse off than Mississippi. > the opposition against Kyoto protocols came from the southeastern US, > The very people who the computer models indicates will be devastated > by the initial effects of global warming. You see we don't just do The South is very conservative, they believe in a more static view of the world than many others. It may be due to their poor diet, that they can not imagine the future as interestingly as others can; thus can not participate in its creation as well. > word processing on our computers. My models predicted Katrina 5 years > before it happened. Every indication is that my models are a little > too conservative. I actually thought the ice caps would have to melt > before all hell broke loose boy was I wrong. For the rest of us Mad Scientists, could you publish some more on your models? Maybe provide some of us downloads? I find this very interesting! I am sure others do as well. I think that many of us would be willing to run parts of your model on our computers to assist in getting more resolution, etc. (I'll not run much, as every watt I have to generate via solar and generators, too much on generators in the winter, is much more expensive than what most on-grid folks pay.) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Dec 2 12:43:29 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Dec 2 12:43:36 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TULSA OKLAHOMA..!ry In-Reply-To: <20051202013438.43611.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 01, 2005 05:34:37 PM Message-ID: <20051202194329.30192.qmail@mall-net.com> > I JUST NEED TO GET AN ELECTROMECHANICAL TIMER > NOW, TO CONTROL ITS ON TIME, FOR SAFETY. Thre are many cheap things available, ranging from the guts of old toasters, to who knows what. Surplus places are good for cheap parts. As one prof told me long, long ago, if you want to do science, you need to be able to tinker with cheap stuff as there's never enough money! > Come on, do something beyond the norms of Tulsa. Do something that > may bring us all a better life with cheaper energy, greater power, > longer life! > > OK; I'VE GOT A START ON THAT..! > THERE IS A HIDDEN SCIENCE OF CONSTRUCTING WHAT ARE > KNOWN AS GRIDPOINTS. > AND THEY CAN BE SCALED UP TO GARGANTUAN SIZES, FOR > RECEIVING QUITE A LARGE AMOUNT OF RADIO ENERGY; > HOW MUCH ENERGY EXACTLY? - I DO NOT KNOW..! ; BUT IT > DOES REQUIRE A LOT OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO > ACQUIRE A LOT OF AMOUNT OF WIRE, TO STACK IT, TO GLUE > IT, AND TO CRISS CROSS THE WIRES AT PRECISE 90 DEGREE > ANGLES, RELATIVE TO EACH OF THE ABOVE AND BELOW > WIRES, ETC.... > AND TO ALSO BUILD GRIDPOINTS INSIDE OF VACCUUM > CHAMBERS..! No idea what you are talking about. Don't forget, there are a lot of crackpots out there who say you can do the equivalent of converting egg yolks to gold if you stir them continuously for 100 hours never once thinking of a hippopotamus. Knowing that, it's impossible not to think of a hippopotamus, and thus one has an un-performable experiment. (Old Alchemists con from the middle ages. And though some alchemists were good folks, a lot more were con artists out to bilk the gullible.) > REGARDING A BETTER LIFE - HEALTH WISE; I JUST GOT A > COPY OF KEVIN TRUDEAU'S AUDIO BOOK VERSION OF: > NATURAL CURES "THEY" DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT; > AND HAVE BEEN AIRING THAT ON MY L.P.F.M. STATION > THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS; AS A PUBLIC SERVICE - FINALLY > GIVING MY STATION A LITTLE MORE MEANING TO ITS EXISTANCE; > IN BEING OF HELP TO OTHER OUT THERE; INSTEAD OF HURT..! There may be copyright issues... > Do not let the forces of dullness (or Tulsa-ness) drag you down to > worthlessness. > > RIGHT ON..! : TULSA-NESS - DULLNESS - WORTHLESSNESS..! > > Arise! Think Great Thoughts! > > RIGHT ON..! > STRESS HAS DAMN NEAR KILLED SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS > HIGH TECH INDUSTRIALIZED THIRD WORLD COUNTRY STYLE > TOWN..! > MYSELF INCLUDED..! Remember, it's not as bad as you think. > Or if you can't, then at least pick up a copy of "Anyway: The > Pardocixal Commandments" for inspiration. > > OK; IF THERE IS ANY TIME TO CHECK INTO THAT..! Good book for some. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Dec 2 14:28:49 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Dec 2 14:29:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TULSA OKLAHOMA..! In-Reply-To: <20051202194329.30192.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051202212849.36217.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > AND TO ALSO BUILD GRIDPOINTS INSIDE OF VACCUUM > CHAMBERS..! No idea what you are talking about. FROM WHAT LITTLE THAT I THINK THAT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT GRIDPOINTS, IS THAT AT THE CROSS POINT OF EACH WIRE, AT THE 90 DEGREE ANGLE CROSS POINT; IF I'VE GOT IT RIGHT; I THINK THE ENERGY ACTION BETWEEN THE CROSSING CONDUCTORS IS A VORTEX(IAL) TYPE OF ACTION. JUST AS TWO PARALLEL WIRES HAVE INDUCTION BETWEEN THE TWO; IN A GRIDPOINT, A SPIRAL OF ELECTROMOTIVE FORCE SHOULD EXIST AT THE CROSS POINT OF THE WIRES; AND THE WIRES WOULD NEED AN INSULATIVE VALUE RELATIONAL TO THE CAPACITIVE REACTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO CONDUCTORS. THAT'S ALL I KNOW, FROM MY CONTEMPLATION. I'M ON NO GROUND TO ARGUE ANY POINTS ABOUT IT..! Don't forget, there are a lot of crackpots out there who say you can do the equivalent of converting egg yolks to gold if you stir them continuously for 100 hours never once thinking of a hippopotamus. YEAH; OK. Knowing that, it's impossible not to think of a hippopotamus, and thus one has an un-performable experiment. (Old Alchemists con from the middle ages. And though some alchemists were good folks, a lot more were con artists out to bilk the gullible.) MAYBE - REGARDING ALCHEMISTS; MAYBE WE SHOULD START CALLING THE PHYSICIANS DESK REFERENCE: ALCHEMY 101..! AND ALSO CALLING IT: THE PHYSICIANS DEATH REFERENCE..! Do not let the forces of dullness (or Tulsa-ness) drag you down to worthlessness. TULSA IS A TOWN OF ENDLESS DULLARDS AND LAGGARDS, LAGGARD-DULLARDS, AND DULLARD-LAGGARDS..! > RIGHT ON..! > STRESS HAS DAMN NEAR KILLED SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS > HIGH TECH INDUSTRIALIZED THIRD WORLD COUNTRY STYLE > TOWN..! > MYSELF INCLUDED..! Remember, it's not as bad as you think. IT IS BAD FOR MANY PEOPLE, BECAUSE WE CANNOT HAVE 100% ABSOLUTE PERFECT CONTROL OVER OUR EXISTANCES AND OVER OUR REALITIES..! CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Yahoo! Personals for free -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051202/223005d0/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Dec 2 14:47:44 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Dec 2 14:47:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: CORRECTION. In-Reply-To: <20051202212849.36217.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051202214744.43644.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> clyde lofton < clydelofton@yahoo.com > wrote: I'M ON NO GROUND TO ARGUE ANY POINTS ABOUT IT..! (CORRECTION ABOVE, TO THE WORD: ARGUE.) Knowing that, it's impossible not to think of a hippopotamus, and thus one has an un-performable experiment. (Old Alchemists con from the middle ages. And though some alchemists were good folks, a lot more were con artists out to bilk the gullible.) MAYBE - REGARDING ALCHEMISTS; MAYBE WE SHOULD START CALLING THE PHYSICIANS DESK REFERENCE: ALCHEMY 101..! AND ALSO CALLING IT: THE PHYSICIANS DEATH REFERENCE..! ALSO; PERTAINING TO THE ABOVE: REGARDING ALCHEMISTS, GULLIBLES, CONS, AND CON ARTISTS; CONSERVATIVES CON THOSE WHO THEY CLAIM TO SERVE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT LIBERALS THOUGH; I NEED TO STUDY THE LINGUISM OF THE WORD: LIBERAL, AND IT HISTORICAL DEFINE-MENT. IT SEEMS THAT: LIBER, AND: AL, CAN BE SEPERATED, BUT I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO WHAT THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IS, OF THE USE OF THE WORD: LIBERAL. MAYBE THE AL PART OF THE WORD: LIBERAL, COULD BE RELATIONAL TO THE WORD: ALL..? MAYBE LIBERATION OF ALL; BUT I DON'T KNOW....???? CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051202/61ad7851/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Dec 2 20:37:18 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Fri Dec 2 20:37:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Wobble Glomming In-Reply-To: <6502BF65-0E1C-4CD0-9667-CC7582163570@mac.com> Message-ID: <01ed01c5f7ba$dcb00cb0$d0c5bc41@mikey> > > Javilk > Gribear > > If this means you have joined Mad Scientists David, then I welcome > > you. If not, why not? > I am not a member my posting was kicked back David, you ought to join! Your input would be greatly appreciated by all. > No! Louisiana was worse off because its largest city is below sea > level and really near the coast. That is a problem of geography. The > fact that New Orleans is sinking is nobodies fault, just a fact of > life. FEMA's failure to enter NO in a timely fashion was purely the > fault of Brown the director. Oh, David, it's politics, not partisanship, that caused the problem! Democrap or Refucklian, they both contributed to the problem. If the Refucklian administration was as evil as you suggest, they would have provided every welfare recipient in NO with a shovel, and sent them to the levees to fill sandbags! And under armed Green Beret guards, instructed to shoot deserters! > > The South is very conservative, they believe in a more static > > view > > of the world than many others. It may be due to their poor diet, that > > they can not imagine the future as interestingly as others can; > > thus can > > not participate in its creation as well. > All of this is true and they are going to get a rude awakening. Southerners are conservative??? I resemble that remark! See if you get any barbecued pig and collards from me! Please don't wake me until I have beachfront property here in Greensboro. And please have a pot of Starbuck's best on the fire when you do! > > For the rest of us Mad Scientists, could you publish some more on > > your models? Maybe provide some of us downloads? I find this very > > interesting! I am sure others do as well. > Like all the other more complex models my model are just too > conservative in their results. It treats the atmosphere as a one way > mirror. Visible and UV light comes in and IR is trapped based on the > CO2 in the air. In other terms the mirror changes it opacity based on > gas composition. It is in essence a heat source heat sink model with > the polar being the ultimate heat sink. Polar ice is proving to be a > much slower absorber of energy than projected. The fact that the gulf > waters were 92?F last August was a shocker. > > I think that many of us would be willing to run parts of your > > model > > on our computers to assist in getting more resolution, etc. > The model is like the Lorenz model for thermodynamic flux. I don't > require the 70x 70x 100 mile cells used in the more convention > models the Arctic is just one cell. All of the land masses in the > northern hemisphere are treated as one and the reflectivity is a > gross average. Bottomline is that such a model should error towards a > more radical solution and it doesn't which means the heat dumping is > weaker than expected. I suspect the problem comes into play in the > less than expected heat flow into the depth of the ocean. Bottom-line > is that I won't publish terrible results. New Orleans shouldn't have > happened for another 5 years. Damn! Eureka! (Other good clich?s) Hurricanes are massive Carnot cycle heat engines that move tropical heat energy to the poles. Since the polar icecaps have NOT provided an effective heat sink (per the Gribear Model), Momma Nature simply used more hurricanes to do the job this year! The problem is that Man Tends to be in the path Of Nature's wrath. (Ooh, the poet comes out again! I thought he was locked in the closet. Gotta check them locks.) And if this is accurate, just wait until next hurricane season! The prediction from this theory is that the next season will make this one look like a spring shower. What are your thoughts on this corollary, David? -Mike From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Dec 6 14:11:18 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Dec 6 14:11:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Artificial Generation of Acoustic and Gravitational Waves in the Atmosphere Message-ID: <003301c5faa9$9a42e720$d0c5bc41@mikey> Artificial Generation of Acoustic and Gravitational Waves in the Atmosphere Dr. Bernard Eastlund Chief Technical Officer and founder of Eastlund Scientific Enterprises Corporation ABSTRACT Weather modification with electromagnetic radiation was suggested by the speaker in patents as a consequence of research for ARCO Corporation. This lecture will discuss the basis for those suggestions and describe a follow on concept sponsored by the European Space Agency called the "Thunderstorm Solar Power Satellite." Recent development of a method and apparatus to artificially create acoustic and gravitational waves in the atmosphere and applications to weather modification research will be described. http://www.lv.psu.edu/tuh4/science_lecture/2005_lecture.htm From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Dec 6 15:25:43 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Dec 6 15:26:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] New breeding stock for my Automatic Mousetraps? Message-ID: <003e01c5fab3$ffb61460$d0c5bc41@mikey> Is it a cat, a dog, a fox - or first sighting of a new carnivore? >From Nick Meo in Jakarta and Nigel Hawkes _The Times_, London, 12/06/05 DEEP in the jungle, something stirs. But is it a cat, a dog, a marten, a rare fox, or even - as some surmise - the first new carnivore to be found in South East Asia for more than 70 years? The only evidence that exists are photographs taken by an automatically triggered camera on a jungle trail in Indonesia in 2003. Infuriatingly, a large leaf obscured the creature's face as the shutter went off. Undaunted, researchers from the World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF) announced the discovery yesterday, claiming it as the first new carnivore to be found in the region since the Tonkin otter-civet emerged in Vietnam in 1930. The animal was photographed in Kayan Mentarang National Park in Kalimantan, the Indonesian part of Borneo, one of the world's biggest islands, which is shared between Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei. WWF calls the mountainous region the "Heart of Borneo," a vast tract of rainforest which it believes should be made a protected area. Stephen Wulffraat, discoverer of the so-far unnamed animal, said: "We showed the photos to locals who know the wildlife of the area, but nobody had ever seen this creature before. We also consulted several Bornean wildlife experts. Some thought it looked like a lemur, but most were convinced it was a new species of carnivore." http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1905654,00.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Dec 6 15:29:47 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Dec 6 15:30:05 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] New breeding stock for my Automatic Mousetraps? In-Reply-To: <003e01c5fab3$ffb61460$d0c5bc41@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Dec 06, 2005 05:25:43 PM Message-ID: <20051206222947.1321.qmail@mall-net.com> > Is it a cat, a dog, a fox - or first sighting of a new carnivore? > >From Nick Meo in Jakarta and Nigel Hawkes > _The Times_, London, 12/06/05 > DEEP in the jungle, something stirs. But is it a cat, a dog, a marten, a > rare fox, or even - as some surmise - the first new carnivore to be = > found in South East Asia for more than 70 years?=20 The picture in New Scientist com made it look like C3PO's furry cousin with a prehensile tail. Check out the article at http://www.newscientist.com/ --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Dec 6 15:43:25 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Dec 6 15:43:39 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] New breeding stock for my Automatic Mousetraps? In-Reply-To: <20051206222947.1321.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <003f01c5fab6$7873bd10$d0c5bc41@mikey> The New Scientist article was important for one point- there was a "fur trap" set up beside the camera. So maybe we'll have some DNA with which to improve my Automatic Mousetraps! The CATS operating system needs some improvement, maybe this can help. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: javilk@mall-net.com [mailto:javilk@mall-net.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:30 PM > To: mbest@triad.rr.com > Cc: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] New breeding stock for my Automatic > Mousetraps? > > Is it a cat, a dog, a fox - or first sighting of a new carnivore? > > From Nick Meo in Jakarta and Nigel Hawkes > > _The Times_, London, 12/06/05 > > DEEP in the jungle, something stirs. But is it a cat, a dog, a marten, a > > rare fox, or even - as some surmise - the first new carnivore to be = > > found in South East Asia for more than 70 years?=20 > The picture in New Scientist.com made it look like C3PO's furry > cousin with a prehensile tail. Check out the article at > http://www.newscientist.com/ > > --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- > Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. > Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. > ------------------------------------------------------- > Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where > prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states, or when > perpendicularly parked in a parallel universe. > ------------------------------------------------------- From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Dec 6 17:36:35 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Dec 6 17:37:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SUCCESS; MOST PEOPLE HATE SUCCESS..! Message-ID: <20051207003635.96993.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SUCCESS; MOST PEOPLE HATE SUCCESS..! WHY EVEN CONTINUE TO STRIVE FOR SUCCESS IN DEATH; WHEN INTERFERENCE FROM FAMILY AND NEIGHBORS IS ENDLESS, AND MONEY IS FOREVER IN ANTI SUPPLY..? IT HAS ONLY GIVEN ME OVERWHELMING STRESS, AND VERY MINIMAL SUCCESS AT BEST. FAMILY AND NEIGHBORS DO NOT LIKE SUCCESS. THE NEIGHBORS ENJOY MISERY, AND ENJOY MAKING ME AND ALL OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS MISERABLE. TULSA OKLAHOMA IS OVERZONED AND OVERTAXED WITHOUT REPRESENTATION, AND RIGHT NOW PROGRESS IS A NO GO. SO WHY STRESS MYSELF OUT ANY MORE, BY WORRYING ABOUT ANYTHING? THE NEIGHBORS ARE MISERABLE JERKS, AND THEY HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE ME BE A MISERABLE JERK BACK TO THEM..! MY NEIGHBORS HATE SUCCESS, AND THEY ARE MISERABLE ROTTEN WRETCHES, TO THEIR FUCKING GODDAMNED AND MANDAMNED CORE..! CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051206/f9a0558e/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Dec 6 19:40:38 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Dec 6 19:40:44 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SUCCESS; In-Reply-To: <20051207003635.96993.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 06, 2005 04:36:35 PM Message-ID: <20051207024038.94564.qmail@mall-net.com> > MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SUCCESS; MOST PEOPLE > HATE SUCCESS..! Only when it isn't theirs. > WHY EVEN CONTINUE TO STRIVE FOR SUCCESS IN > DEATH; WHEN INTERFERENCE FROM FAMILY AND > NEIGHBORS IS ENDLESS, AND MONEY IS FOREVER > IN ANTI SUPPLY..? Well, what's the alternative? Death? I mean, that should be my line, living up in the mountains with skunks and drunks for neighbors. > IT HAS ONLY GIVEN ME OVERWHELMING STRESS, > AND VERY MINIMAL SUCCESS AT BEST. So you're probably going about it the wrong way. Most people do. Success may be about hard work; but that's not the only ingredient in the soup. Smart work is a multiplier, as are tools and such. > FAMILY AND NEIGHBORS DO NOT LIKE SUCCESS. I don't think that is relevant. If you believe they don't want you to succeed, you are probably wrong. They just don't want you to try in ways they don't understand. Most people are afraid of things they don't understand, because at some point they got hurt. And at some other point, they had a boss who wanted to be a powerful boss, not a mentor. (The way to become a powerful boss is to mentor, but it's faster for him to just yell his head off. Then, everyone believes he is the boss. Everyone, that is, but the bosses boss, who should fire idiots like that promptly. But if he's got an idiot working for him, he's probably an idiot too, so you lose.) > THE NEIGHBORS ENJOY MISERY, AND ENJOY MAKING > ME AND ALL OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS MISERABLE. I don't think so; but I could be wrong. Old people are just tired and want to be left alone with their own thoughts. They basically don't care whether you succeed or fail, as long as it does not change the neighborhood. > TULSA OKLAHOMA IS OVERZONED AND OVERTAXED > WITHOUT REPRESENTATION, AND RIGHT NOW > PROGRESS IS A NO GO. if there are voters, it is not withough representation. > SO WHY STRESS MYSELF OUT ANY MORE, BY > WORRYING ABOUT ANYTHING? Well, worrying isn't going to change things. > THE NEIGHBORS ARE MISERABLE JERKS, AND THEY > HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE ME BE A MISERABLE > JERK BACK TO THEM..! Confue them; smile at them. > MY NEIGHBORS HATE SUCCESS, AND THEY ARE > MISERABLE ROTTEN WRETCHES, TO THEIR FUCKING > GODDAMNED AND MANDAMNED CORE..! This is a supposition with out any proof. If someone said the moon was made of green cheese, would you believe him? Or would you ask for some proof? I think most of your statements are green cheese statements. Worse than that, they are statements about something as flexible as a sail. So if you blow winds one way, they will behave one way; if you blow winds the other way, they will behave another way. If you blow polite encouraging winds their way, they should respond in kind, maybe not the first time, but by the seventh or thirtieth, they will respond in a more pleasing way. You are the helmsman. Tack into the wind that the wind blow you forward in YOUR direction, not the wind's. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From ackohler at umich.edu Tue Dec 6 21:45:49 2005 From: ackohler at umich.edu (ackohler@umich.edu) Date: Tue Dec 6 21:46:02 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SUCCESS; In-Reply-To: <20051207024038.94564.qmail@mall-net.com> References: <20051207024038.94564.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051206234549.jrvb4po204k4sock@web.mail.umich.edu> Please do not send me your problems. I don't care. Quoting javilk@mall-net.com: >> MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SUCCESS; MOST PEOPLE >> HATE SUCCESS..! > > Only when it isn't theirs. > >> WHY EVEN CONTINUE TO STRIVE FOR SUCCESS IN >> DEATH; WHEN INTERFERENCE FROM FAMILY AND >> NEIGHBORS IS ENDLESS, AND MONEY IS FOREVER >> IN ANTI SUPPLY..? > > Well, what's the alternative? Death? I mean, that should be my > line, living up in the mountains with skunks and drunks for neighbors. > >> IT HAS ONLY GIVEN ME OVERWHELMING STRESS, >> AND VERY MINIMAL SUCCESS AT BEST. > > So you're probably going about it the wrong way. Most people do. > Success may be about hard work; but that's not the only ingredient in > the soup. Smart work is a multiplier, as are tools and such. > >> FAMILY AND NEIGHBORS DO NOT LIKE SUCCESS. > > I don't think that is relevant. If you believe they don't want you > to succeed, you are probably wrong. They just don't want you to try in > ways they don't understand. Most people are afraid of things they don't > understand, because at some point they got hurt. And at some other > point, they had a boss who wanted to be a powerful boss, not a mentor. > (The way to become a powerful boss is to mentor, but it's faster for him > to just yell his head off. Then, everyone believes he is the boss. > Everyone, that is, but the bosses boss, who should fire idiots like that > promptly. But if he's got an idiot working for him, he's probably an > idiot too, so you lose.) > >> THE NEIGHBORS ENJOY MISERY, AND ENJOY MAKING >> ME AND ALL OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS MISERABLE. > > I don't think so; but I could be wrong. Old people are just tired > and want to be left alone with their own thoughts. They basically don't > care whether you succeed or fail, as long as it does not change the > neighborhood. > >> TULSA OKLAHOMA IS OVERZONED AND OVERTAXED >> WITHOUT REPRESENTATION, AND RIGHT NOW >> PROGRESS IS A NO GO. > > if there are voters, it is not withough representation. > >> SO WHY STRESS MYSELF OUT ANY MORE, BY >> WORRYING ABOUT ANYTHING? > > Well, worrying isn't going to change things. > >> THE NEIGHBORS ARE MISERABLE JERKS, AND THEY >> HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE ME BE A MISERABLE >> JERK BACK TO THEM..! > > Confue them; smile at them. > >> MY NEIGHBORS HATE SUCCESS, AND THEY ARE >> MISERABLE ROTTEN WRETCHES, TO THEIR FUCKING >> GODDAMNED AND MANDAMNED CORE..! > > This is a supposition with out any proof. > > If someone said the moon was made of green cheese, would you believe > him? Or would you ask for some proof? > > I think most of your statements are green cheese statements. Worse > than that, they are statements about something as flexible as a sail. > So if you blow winds one way, they will behave one way; if you blow > winds the other way, they will behave another way. > > If you blow polite encouraging winds their way, they should respond > in kind, maybe not the first time, but by the seventh or thirtieth, they > will respond in a more pleasing way. > > You are the helmsman. Tack into the wind that the wind blow you > forward in YOUR direction, not the wind's. > > -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) > CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. > Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. > My opinions are subject to the availability of information. > I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. > > For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices > orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. > Today's Art Photo > Chem / Fungus allergies > Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. > Arthritis > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Dec 7 00:41:19 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 7 00:41:39 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SUCCESS; MOST PEOPLE HATE SUCCESS... Message-ID: <28c.18df30e.30c7ec1f@aol.com> In a message dated 12/6/2005 7:38:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: SO WHY STRESS MYSELF OUT ANY MORE, BY WORRYING ABOUT ANYTHING? Bravo Clyde, BRAVO !!!!!!! Change what you can Clyde. The things you can't------ Neighbors, taxes, etc. cope with them. Since you know you will never be friends with your neighbors, do you really want to be (?) (!) . All the other stuff you worry about is time wasted when you could be working on your own life. When it comes to survival, basic food, clothing and shelter, then is the time to hunker down and look for alternatives. In the words of that awful song " DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY " Regards Vesta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051207/9e37f3aa/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 08:50:45 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Dec 7 08:50:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SUCCESS; MOST PEOPLE HATE SUCCESS... In-Reply-To: <28c.18df30e.30c7ec1f@aol.com> Message-ID: <20051207155045.570.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/6/2005 7:38:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: SO WHY STRESS MYSELF OUT ANY MORE, BY WORRYING ABOUT ANYTHING? Bravo Clyde, BRAVO !!!!!!! Change what you can OVERZONATION AND OVERTAXXXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION, IN THIS ENDLESS, EVER INSANE, SPIN AROUND AND AROUND AND AROUND IN 'ETERNAL' CIRCLES IN VERTIGO IN ETERNAL DEATH, UNTIL FINAL DEATH, - HIGH TECH, INDUSTRIALIZED THIRD WORLD COUNTRY SLUM TOWN - WASTELAND; FOREVER GO NOWHERE FAST, WHERE PROGRESS AND SUCCESS NEVER EVER LAST, A TOWN THAT IS FOREVER HALF ASSED, AND AGAIN: OVERZONED AND OVERTAXED, WITHOUT REPRESENTATION....!!!! I CAN FEEL THE LYRICS TO THE SONG: TULSA TIME WANTING TO BLAST PEOPLE WITH INFINITE PUNCHES IN THEIR FUCKING FACES, AND THE SONG: HAPPY, BY THE BAND: MUDVAYNE, WANTING TO BLAST AND TO BEAT TO DEATH THE PEOPLE OF THIS ENDLESS FUCKING FOREVER STUPID SLUM TOWN, WITH INFINITE PUNCHES IN THEIR FUCKING FACES AND PUNCHES IN THEIR FUCKING GODDAMNED GUTS, AND BEATING THEM TO BLOODY PULPS, TILL THERE'S NOTHING LEFT..! TULSA OKLAHOMA. I HATE THIS GOD DAMNED AND MAN DAMNED INDUSTRIALIZED CESSPOOL SLUM WASTELAND..! Clyde. The things you can't------ Neighbors DAMN THE CURSED NEIGHBORS TO HELL..! OR: BLESS THE CURSED NEIGHBORS TO NONEXISTANCE..! , taxes, FUCK OVERZONING AND OVERTAXING WITHOUT REPRESENTATION..! THE IDIOTS OF THIS SHITHOLE SHITTY OF TULSA NEED TO WAKE UP; IF THERE IS A BETTER FUTURE AHEAD; CAN WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS FUCKING SLUM TOWN CLEAN THIS FUCKING GOD DAMNED AND MAN DAMNED PLACE UP..! etc. cope with them. THERE IS LITTLE TO ZERO, IN TRYING TO COPE WITH THEM..! Since you know you will never be friends with your neighbors, do you really want to be (?) (!) . NO....!!!! All the other stuff you worry about is time wasted when you could be working on your own life. I'VE BEEN NEGLECTING MY HEALTH, AND SO MY HEALTH HAS GONE TO HELL. I AM IN DESPERATE NEED OF RESTORING MY HEALTH BACK TO THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE; IF THERE IS ANY WAY, AND IF THERE IS ANY HOPE IN DOING SO, AT ALL. When it comes to survival, basic food, clothing and shelter, then is the time to hunker down and look for alternatives. I NEED A CONTINUAL SUPPLY OF MORPHINE DIRECTLY INJECTED BY INTRAVENOUS INJECTION, INTO MY CEREBRAL CORTEX..! In the words of that awful song " DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY " IT IS INFINITELY VERY NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE, TO BE HAPPY IN HELL, IN THIS HELLHOLE OF TULSA OKLAHOMA..! Regards Vesta --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Yahoo! Personals for free -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051207/4331bd8a/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 09:04:48 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Dec 7 09:04:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] GOD DAMNED AND MAN DAMNED SHIT..! Message-ID: <20051207160448.70169.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> GOD DAMNED AND MAN DAMNED SHIT..! THE DOCTORS AND NURSES OF PILL PUSHING PHARMACOLOGY HAVE GOT IT ALL WRONG..! IT IS NOT MENTAL ILLNESS THAT WE THE PEOPLE SUFFER FROM; IT IS ENVIRONMENTAL ILLNESS, AND CHEMICAL ALLERGIES..! AND THE PILL PUSHING PHARMACOLOGY ESTABLISHMENT OWNS, OPERATES, AND DICTATES THE FUNCTIONINGS OF THE MEDIA ESTABLISHMENT; THE BANKING ESTABLISHMENT; THE PETROCHEMICAL ESTABLISHMENT; AND THE ENTIRE ENERGY AND FASCIST KOMMUNICATIONS, AND TRANSPORTATION INTRAFUCKTURE-INFRASTRUCTURE..! Interdependence - IS NOT..! - Independence..! AND WE THE PEOPLE ARE FED UP WITH IT, AND ARE SICK OF IT ALL..! OUR COUNTRY'S FOUNDING FATHERS ARE ROLLING OVER IN THEIR GRAVES, JUST AS THE DEAD ARE ROLLING OVER IN THEIR GRAVES HERE IN TULSA OKLAHOMA.! CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Yahoo! Personals for free -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051207/1469797d/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 09:11:22 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Dec 7 09:11:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SUCCESS; In-Reply-To: <20051206234549.jrvb4po204k4sock@web.mail.umich.edu> Message-ID: <20051207161122.77379.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> ackohler@umich.edu wrote: Please do not send me your problems. I don't care. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ PROBLEMS, THEN DON'T READ THEM..! SCIENTISTS CONFRONT PROBLEMS EVERY FUCKING GODDAMNED AND MANDAMNED FUCKING DAY...........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051207/429eee71/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 09:29:19 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Dec 7 09:29:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TULSA TIME, AND; HAPPY. Message-ID: <20051207162920.31103.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> TULSA TIME: http://www.lyricsmania.com/lyrics/eric_clapton_lyrics_2113/backless_lyrics_6375/tulsa_time_lyrics_75406.html HAPPY: http://www.searchlyrics.org/mudvayne/happy?.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051207/fc9eaf43/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 09:42:41 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Dec 7 09:42:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TEN THOUSAND FISTS..! In-Reply-To: <20051031055925.58674.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051207164241.18275.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> DISTURBED: TEN THOUSAND FISTS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ten_thousand_fists_albumcover.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Ten_thousand_fists_albumcover.jpg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Yahoo! Personals for free -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051207/e8eeb923/attachment-0001.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Dec 7 12:54:50 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Dec 7 12:54:56 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] GOD DAMNED AND MAN DAMNED SHIT..! In-Reply-To: <20051207160448.70169.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 07, 2005 08:04:48 AM Message-ID: <20051207195450.5396.qmail@mall-net.com> > THE DOCTORS AND NURSES OF PILL PUSHING PHARMACOLOGY HAVE > GOT IT ALL WRONG..! No one is forcing you to take their stuff, at least not at gunpoint. You are free to say no, at least as long as you can control yourself. > IT IS NOT MENTAL ILLNESS THAT WE THE PEOPLE SUFFER FROM; IT > IS ENVIRONMENTAL ILLNESS, AND CHEMICAL ALLERGIES..! In some cases, yes. In other cases, we just don't know what is going on in their brains. > AND THE PILL PUSHING PHARMACOLOGY ESTABLISHMENT OWNS, > OPERATES, AND DICTATES THE FUNCTIONINGS OF THE MEDIA > ESTABLISHMENT; THE BANKING ESTABLISHMENT; THE PETROCHEMICAL > ESTABLISHMENT; AND THE ENTIRE ENERGY AND FASCIST > KOMMUNICATIONS, AND TRANSPORTATION INTRAFUCKTURE-INFRASTRUCTURE..! This is not true. First, there are no large financial ties, other than advertising revenues the media gains. Second, they can not dictate what others do, only offer appealing alternatives. For some, the alternatives offered are indeed quite appealing. Others are wiser. > Interdependence - IS NOT..! - Independence..! I suppose it depends on your point of view. The people you work for are dependent upon someone, preferably you, showing up and doing your job. You are dependent upon them paying you. You are also dependent upon the general economic infrastructure, from the farmer to the retailer to the products of those who eat the farmer's foodstuffs. So in that sense, we are dependent upon each other. In the other sense, we can do just about anything we please. At least, as long as we don't offend or harm anyone else. This is not the case in most other countries. If you stand in the park talking like you are in China... you will disappear. Same in many other Asian, African, and South American countries. > AND WE THE PEOPLE ARE FED UP WITH IT, AND ARE SICK OF IT ALL..! If that were the case, I think there would be more people talking this way in the parks of our cities. I don't see that, except for the occasional somewhat deluded doom-repentance preacher. (And not many of them, either!) > OUR COUNTRY'S FOUNDING FATHERS ARE ROLLING OVER IN THEIR > GRAVES, JUST AS THE DEAD ARE ROLLING OVER IN THEIR GRAVES > HERE IN TULSA OKLAHOMA.! In 1776, the life expectancy of an average person was in the range of 45 to 50. You had to get up early in the morning, do one hell of a lot of hard physical work chopping firewood, tilling the soil, planting and harvesting crops, feeding cattle, etc. just to survive. And many people didn't. The hearth was a roaring fireplace in winter, barely heating the cold house. It was a sweltering hell in summer. And summer or winter, the smoke, soot, and smell of wood tars permeated the home and everyone's clothes. Food was scarce in winter, nothing fresh! It didn't get better till near Easter, which is why we celebrate it. Real work, meaning working for someone else, was ten to twelve hour days. With the need to heat water and the cold, you were lucky if you took one bath a week. If you were not married, you didn't have enough time to keep your own home, could hardly keep up appearances. Marriage was an economic necessity for all but the rich; as it took one person to keep the home working, and another to earn an income. If you got cavities, they pulled your tooth without anesthetic. When you lost enough teeth, it was a poorly carved wooden board for your mouth, perhaps with horse's teeth to help you chew. Many didn't bother, preferring to crush their food with a mortar and pestle or other means in order to eat. Nutrition in general, was poor; worse for the aged without teeth. Those who didn't have savings died of starvation or the cold in winter. Indeed, winter was the season of death. As for divorce, there wasn't much because people died often. Abusive marriages were not uncommon, as women were considered chattels of the man. He owned her, could beat her at will, and no one said much. With the man the Lord of the Manor, child abuse was more common. Certainly, whipping, spanking and other physical abuse of children was considered normal and expected in order to "build character". Today, we live in Heaven! We really do! It's a heaven we all created through our daily cooperation and invention. Tomorrow will be even better. So if you don't like today, focus on tomorrow and try to make tomorrow better. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Dec 7 13:34:42 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Dec 7 13:34:49 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SUCCESS; In-Reply-To: <20051207161122.77379.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 07, 2005 08:11:22 AM Message-ID: <20051207203443.57882.qmail@mall-net.com> > Please do not send me your problems. I don't care. > > IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ PROBLEMS, THEN > DON'T READ THEM..! > > SCIENTISTS CONFRONT PROBLEMS EVERY > FUCKING GODDAMNED AND MANDAMNED > FUCKING DAY...........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't you think that's a little impolite, Clyde? I mean, we all try to get along so that we all get along... In life, you get what you give. If you give impoliteness, then how can you expect any better? In the old days, when everyone was crass and disrespectful because life itself was harsh and disrespectful of us, few could learn the arts of being a gentleman. Today, most of us are gentlemen, so those who do not exhibit the graces of polite civility just don't get accepted into polite society. They get the worst jobs because they look and behave the worst in our society. My parents were immigrants who'd had their youth interrupted by the harshness of World War II. they did not learn the full breadth of their culture. Then at a young age, were plunged into the bottom of the American Culture with no money and no real understanding of the language and culture they were surrounded by. Like most Europeans (or at least those whom we knew), they were gentle and polite; but culturally different from those around them. They adapted, but didn't quite get the nuances, remaining in what one might call working culture, closer to blue collar than white collar despite my father's skills in electrical and mechanical engineering. When I was in college, I joined Amway, mostly to learn how to deal with people and sell my ideas. Unlike most, I didn't join to make money, though I did expect to. For me, selling became a cover for Cultural Anthropology of The Americans. I learned a lot about the calm and polite life of the middle crust. It might be an interesting thing to you to try, at least if you can keep yourself calm and reasonably polite. It is the inner calm that is the key. Have yo tried meditating? Life is a lot better than you have seen. If you relax and look at the good parts, you will find that you can partake of more of those good parts. It's all up to you, Clyde. You need to put more effort into deciding whom you want to be in this society, or learning what it is like to live outside of this society. I live outside this society, off-grid, isolated on a dirt road, etc. It's a hard and precarious life. If I had other options... Compared to me, Clyde, you live in the lap of luxury. Oh, I dream of the life I use to live before air pollution made me too sick to stay. It is I who am closer to hanging myself than you, Clyde. It is I who misses life, knowing how it is from having lived it, having had great successes and a few failures. I know what I did, Clyde. I know how my peers appreciated my work, and were sometimes awed by it. Just the other day, I asked an old acquaintance if he would vouch for me on a deal trying to buy a generator for some work. (I have killed three generators so far, some of them more than once.) His response was "Make sure he calls me! I don't want you to loose that deal!" When we work hard together, we leave little pieces of ourselves in each other. We all feel the pain any one of us has. We all wish to help each other as best we can. That is the kind of response that good character and decency create. You are still young, you can still learn to engender that kind of response in others. Ghandi summed it up rather well: "Be an example of the society you wish to live in." -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Dec 8 15:29:26 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Dec 8 15:29:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SUCCESS; In-Reply-To: <20051207203443.57882.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051208222926.69125.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: In the old days, when everyone was crass and disrespectful because life itself was harsh and disrespectful of us, few could learn the arts of being a gentleman. Today, most of us are gentlemen, so those who do not exhibit the graces of polite civility just don't get accepted into polite society. They get the worst jobs because they look and behave the worst in our society. My parents were immigrants who'd had their youth interrupted by the harshness of World War II. they did not learn the full breadth of their culture. Then at a young age, were plunged into the bottom of the American Culture with no money and no real understanding of the language and culture they were surrounded by. Like most Europeans (or at least those whom we knew), they were gentle and polite; but culturally different from those around them. They adapted, but didn't quite get the nuances, remaining in what one might call working culture, closer to blue collar than white collar despite my father's skills in electrical and mechanical engineering. When I was in college, I joined Amway, mostly to learn how to deal with people and sell my ideas. Unlike most, I didn't join to make money, though I did expect to. For me, selling became a cover for Cultural Anthropology of The Americans. I learned a lot about the calm and polite life of the middle crust. It might be an interesting thing to you to try, at least if you can keep yourself calm and reasonably polite. It is the inner calm that is the key. Have yo tried meditating? Life is a lot better than you have seen. If you relax and look at the good parts, you will find that you can partake of more of those good parts. It's all up to you, Clyde. You need to put more effort into deciding whom you want to be in this society, or learning what it is like to live outside of this society. I live outside this society, off-grid, isolated on a dirt road, etc. It's a hard and precarious life. If I had other options... Compared to me, Clyde, you live in the lap of luxury. Oh, I dream of the life I use to live before air pollution made me too sick to stay. It is I who am closer to hanging myself than you, Clyde. It is I who misses life, knowing how it is from having lived it, having had great successes and a few failures. I know what I did, Clyde. I know how my peers appreciated my work, and were sometimes awed by it. Just the other day, I asked an old acquaintance if he would vouch for me on a deal trying to buy a generator for some work. (I have killed three generators so far, some of them more than once.) His response was "Make sure he calls me! I don't want you to loose that deal!" When we work hard together, we leave little pieces of ourselves in each other. We all feel the pain any one of us has. We all wish to help each other as best we can. That is the kind of response that good character and decency create. You are still young, you can still learn to engender that kind of response in others. Ghandi summed it up rather well: "Be an example of the society you wish to live in." I'VE DONE MY BEST; AND MY BEST STILL ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH..! I HAVE LOST ALL HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF AMERICA. UNLESS MIRACLES HAPPEN: 1. MORALITY REVIVAL..! 2. ENERGY INDEPENDENCE TECHNOLOGIES CURRENTLY IN THE UNDERGROUND SCIENCES..! 3. DRASTIC HEALTHCARE IMPROVEMENT..! ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT WAS SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED LAST MARCH; THE LAST THING I HAVE YET TO GET FOR IT, IS A CONTROL TIMER; SO IT STILL SITS UNCOMPLETED. GROWING NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWERS WERE SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED LAST MARCH AS WELL; I WAS FINALLY ABLE TO START THE SUCCESSFUL GROWTH OF ONE LOTUS SEEDLING IN AUGUST, BUT THE PROJECT WAS RUINED BY MY BIMBO DUMBASS MOTHER, DUE TO SO MUCH GOD DAMNED AND MAN DAMNED OVERWHELMING FINANCIAL ECONOMIC SLAVERY STRESS IN MY LIFE..! FINANCIAL ECONOMIC SLAVERY, DUE TO AN EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM WHICH DOES NOT TEACH FINANCIAL ECONOMIC INDEPENDENCE FOR EVERYONE: EQUALLY; I'M ALL SCREWED UP NOW; WITH A FUTURE AS BLEAKLY DARK AS A BLACK HOLE, IN THE DARKEST OF DARKNESS IN AND THE LOWEST OF LOWNESS VACCUUM OF SPACE. AMERICA HAS GONE TO HELL. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051208/dd6f7622/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Dec 8 16:21:55 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Dec 8 16:22:02 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SUCCESS; In-Reply-To: <20051208222926.69125.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 08, 2005 02:29:26 PM Message-ID: <20051208232158.80576.qmail@mall-net.com> > Ghandi summed it up rather well: > > "Be an example of the society you wish to live in." > > I'VE DONE MY BEST; AND MY BEST STILL ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH..! > I HAVE LOST ALL HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF AMERICA. Just because you can't does not mean the country can't. Fact is, most of us can't. But en mass, enough of us can do small enough things that the country creeps toward the future. > UNLESS MIRACLES HAPPEN: > 1. MORALITY REVIVAL..! The Catholic Church has been trying for two thousand years! The couldn't. But the future still comes. > 2. ENERGY INDEPENDENCE TECHNOLOGIES CURRENTLY > IN THE UNDERGROUND SCIENCES..! Ogg the caveman tried. So have lots of people in just about every era. We've gotten to the infernal combustion engine, the steam turbine, and a few other things. Plus nuclear. We are creeping forward on this one. > 3. DRASTIC HEALTHCARE IMPROVEMENT..! What we have is a drastic improvement from the 1800's. Big items are the cure for tuberculosis, which was rampant, and the bypass operation. It's even a huge improvement from the 1970's. We're running forward in this arena. > > ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT WAS > SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED LAST MARCH; THE > LAST THING I HAVE YET TO GET FOR IT, IS A CONTROL > TIMER; SO IT STILL SITS UNCOMPLETED. Only because you want the perfection of a control timer. There are many other fail-safe methods you've not tried. Like a wire that pulls out when your hand falls down by your side. > GROWING NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWERS WERE SCHEDULED > TO BE COMPLETED LAST MARCH AS WELL; > I WAS FINALLY ABLE TO START THE SUCCESSFUL GROWTH OF > ONE LOTUS SEEDLING IN AUGUST, BUT THE PROJECT WAS > RUINED BY MY BIMBO DUMBASS MOTHER, DUE TO SO MUCH > GOD DAMNED AND MAN DAMNED OVERWHELMING FINANCIAL > ECONOMIC SLAVERY STRESS IN MY LIFE..! So what! Try again! > FINANCIAL ECONOMIC SLAVERY, DUE TO AN EDUCATIONAL > SYSTEM WHICH DOES NOT TEACH FINANCIAL ECONOMIC > INDEPENDENCE FOR EVERYONE: EQUALLY; So how are you educating yourself on financial economics? How many books have you read??? > I'M ALL SCREWED UP NOW; WITH A FUTURE AS BLEAKLY > DARK AS A BLACK HOLE, IN THE DARKEST OF DARKNESS IN Only because you believe in it. > AND THE LOWEST OF LOWNESS VACCUUM OF SPACE. > AMERICA HAS GONE TO HELL. Hardly! Last night I ran out of electricity because I failed to rebuild a generator that I was trying to repair. Because I did not understand that I had to torque a bolt to 60 foot-pounds, a tiny pin in a hollow shaft broke. I've not been able to replace that, nor get to a place where it could be repaired. One month, it's sat on my work bench while I wondered what had really gone wrong, what could be done, and mostly, went about doing other things. It only became critical Friday, when the heavy generator failed. (For good, I think.) Am I a failure for it? Hardly! It's just something I don't understand very well. I am not what I do. I am not stupid because I don't understand something, don't have the experience with it. (Even if it is costly, inconvenient, and frustrating.) Today, I found a shop that would fix that for maybe $50. It's kind of expensive at the moment. But the temperature inversion and the air flowing from San Jose meant that I felt too weak to drive safely. I could barely waddle around trying to fix a leak in the water system. Ended up putting that one too, aside for a better day. No running water till I do that. Air pollution does that to me, making me feel very, very tired, robbing me of my coordination, making me appear to have advanced Parkinson's. So another day goes by. Am I a failure for it? Hardly! Yes, my body is broken in several ways; but the spirit knows what it is. Patience, and another day... I have a project I need to turn in for some fair bunch of money if it works. It involves some AI / genetic algorithms, etc. Because of lack of electricity, lack of water, lack of a lot of things, I've not yet even started writing it. I might not even get to it before the guy gives up. Am I a failure for it? Not quite; though it really rankles me that this is the kind of stuff I love to do, the kind of impossible mission that no one else I know is willing to try. Time will bring other projects. Perhaps I will be more ready. You are only a failure if you give up, if you stop trying. Go read about Shackleton and The Endeavor. There's an adventure Go read about Shackleton and The Endeavor. There's an adventure for you, one where everything goes wrong step by step. Even as the purpose fails, courage and will triumph. In fact, most of the things you try will not succeed! Hell is where everything you do succeeds, till you believe that your efforts have no value. (Twilight Zone episode, some hood goes to what he thinks is heaven, till all his heists succeed. It starts to bother him quit a bit! Then he goes and asks the ruler of this place just what's going on. As he leaves, he asks if he could try hell. The ruler asks him where he thinks he is...) You are only a failure if you do not have the WILL to TRY!!! And the wisdom to accept that not everything you try will succeed. Laugh at yourself. Then when laugher makes you feel better, smile, pick up the pieces, and try again. Or put it off till you figure ouy why that attempt did not succeed. http://www.google.com/search?q=Shackleton+endeavor --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 12:06:40 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Dec 10 12:06:45 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TULSA OKLAHOMA: MODIFIED..! Message-ID: <20051210190640.58178.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> TULSA OKLAHOMA: MODIFIED..! OVERZONED, OVERTAXED, OVERBURDONED, OVERDRUGGED, AND OVERDOSED, WITHOUT REPRESENTATION..! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051210/5aaad055/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 12:21:15 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Dec 10 12:21:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SUCCESS. Message-ID: <20051210192115.49096.qmail@web50615.mail.yahoo.com> Success is creativity unbridled; and so fuck my mom and my dad WITH EQUALITY, like they've both EQUALLY fucked me..! So many children are failures because of the failures of their parents..! I reject BOTH my mom and my dad, WITH EQUALITY..! Angry; Clyde --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051210/e7e1ece7/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Dec 10 12:44:55 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Dec 10 12:45:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SUCCESS. In-Reply-To: <20051210192115.49096.qmail@web50615.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 10, 2005 11:21:15 AM Message-ID: <20051210194455.44355.qmail@mall-net.com> > Success is creativity unbridled; Creativity without bridle is one of the fastest, splashiest ways of failing. Followed only by the lack of creativity. It is the understanding of constraint which brings success. Sometimes you can step around constraints, though that substantially raises risks both of failure and of others whom you depend upon stepping away at critical times. Sometimes you have to stay well within constraints. Clyde, are you left handed by chance? Look at something, then slowly bring your hands together till you are looking at that something only with one eye. Which eye is it? -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Dec 10 12:46:47 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Dec 10 12:46:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TULSA OKLAHOMA: MODIFIED..! In-Reply-To: <20051210190640.58178.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 10, 2005 11:06:40 AM Message-ID: <20051210194647.45219.qmail@mall-net.com> > OVERZONED, OVERTAXED, OVERBURDONED, > OVERDRUGGED, AND OVERDOSED, WITHOUT > REPRESENTATION..! We've heard this before. Look up Shannon (communications theory guy), his comments about repetitive signals. But don't stop there; he's got some interesting ideas on communications. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 13:05:49 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Dec 10 13:05:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SUCCESS; In-Reply-To: <20051208232158.80576.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051210200549.27386.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > Ghandi summed it up rather well: > > "Be an example of the society you wish to live in." > > I'VE DONE MY BEST; AND MY BEST STILL ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH..! > I HAVE LOST ALL HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF AMERICA. Just because you can't does not mean the country can't. Fact is, most of us can't. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU..! MOST PEOPLE DO NOT CARE ABOUT TRYING..! But en mass, enough of us can do small enough things that the country creeps toward the future. OK; YES; BUT THIS COUNTRY IS SO DAMNED DIVIDED BETWEEN THE LEFT: COMMIES, AND THE RIGHT: NAZI'S, AND I AM AN INDEPENDENT, AND REJECT BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE, BECAUSE BOTH SIDES ABSOLUTELY GO NOWHERE ABSOLUTELY FAST..! WHEN WILL WE ALL BE ABLE TO WORK PEACEFULLY, COOPERATIVELY TOGETHER, TO MOVE THIS COUNTRY INTO A FORWARD PROGRESSING DIRECTION, INSTEAD OF THE GOD DAMNED AND MAN DAMNED DESPOTISM THAT AMERICA HAS BECOME..? > UNLESS MIRACLES HAPPEN: > 1. MORALITY REVIVAL..! The Catholic Church has been trying for two thousand years! ? RELIGIONS IN GENERAL? I SEE STAGNATION EN MASS, WITH BOTH POLITICS AND RELIGION, EQUALLY..! They couldn't. But the future still comes. > 2. ENERGY INDEPENDENCE TECHNOLOGIES CURRENTLY > IN THE UNDERGROUND SCIENCES..! Ogg the caveman tried. So have lots of people in just about every era. We've gotten to the infernal combustion engine, the steam turbine, and a few other things. Plus nuclear. We are creeping forward on this one. CREEPING SLOWLY, YET DRIVING FASTLY; STRAIGHT ON A CRASH COURSE WITH DESTRUCTION AND DEATH. BUT MAYBE MOST PEOPLE ARE TOO BRAINDEAD TO EVEN CARE TO CHANGE THAT FACT..?..! > 3. DRASTIC HEALTHCARE IMPROVEMENT..! What we have is a drastic improvement from the 1800's. YES; TRUE; YET I CAN'T WAIT AROUND FOR THE TURTLES OF SLOW MOTION PROGRESS; I JUST DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO DO SO..! MY NEURAL ACTIVITY IS AT GAMMA FREQUENCY VELOCITY; WITH GAMMA NUCLEAR ANGER; LIKE THE HULK; YET TRAPPED IN THIS HUMAN FRAME OF MYSELF. Big items are the cure for tuberculosis, which was rampant, and the bypass operation. It's even a huge improvement from the 1970's. We're running forward in this arena. YES; TRUE; I DON'T DISAGREE. > > ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT WAS > SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED LAST MARCH; THE > LAST THING I HAVE YET TO GET FOR IT, IS A CONTROL > TIMER; SO IT STILL SITS UNCOMPLETED. Only because you want the perfection of a control timer. YES; AND THERE ARE ZERO EXCEPTIONS..! There are many other fail-safe methods you've not tried. Like a wire that pulls out when your hand falls down by your side. I DON'T HAVE ANY TIME TO DO HALF ASSED WORK..! > GROWING NELUMBO LOTUS FLOWERS WERE SCHEDULED > TO BE COMPLETED LAST MARCH AS WELL; > I WAS FINALLY ABLE TO START THE SUCCESSFUL GROWTH OF > ONE LOTUS SEEDLING IN AUGUST, BUT THE PROJECT WAS > RUINED BY MY BIMBO DUMBASS MOTHER, DUE TO SO MUCH > GOD DAMNED AND MAN DAMNED OVERWHELMING FINANCIAL > ECONOMIC SLAVERY STRESS IN MY LIFE..! So what! Try again! OK; I INTEND TO; BUT THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS - MOST PEOPLE APART FROM ME, SCREW THINGS UP, FOR ME..! THEY ARE JUST ASKING TO BE BLASTED..! MAYBE PEOPLE LIKE TO BE BLASTED..? I DON'T KNOW..? > FINANCIAL ECONOMIC SLAVERY, DUE TO AN EDUCATIONAL > SYSTEM WHICH DOES NOT TEACH FINANCIAL ECONOMIC > INDEPENDENCE FOR EVERYONE: EQUALLY; So how are you educating yourself on financial economics? NOT ENOUGH TIME IN EXISTANCE, TO READ ALL OF THE ENDLESS, WORTHLESS, COMPLICATED GURU NONSENSE..! How many books have you read??? MY ABILITY TO READ IS GOOD. MY ABILITY FOR BOOKS TO HOLD MY ATTENTION IS NO GOOD. BOOKS FOR ME ARE ONLY GOOD FOR CONSULTING PURPOSES ONLY; BECAUSE I JUST CANNOT TAKE THE ENDLESS NEVERENDING RAMBLING EVERGOING NONSENSE OF BOOKS. I INTAKE INFORMATION WHICH IS SHORT, TRITE, AND TO THE POINT. I SAMPLE A LOT OF INFORMATION, AND DISCARD A LOT OF MOST OTHER INFORMATION, AS USELESS. > I'M ALL SCREWED UP NOW; WITH A FUTURE AS BLEAKLY > DARK AS A BLACK HOLE, IN THE DARKEST OF DARKNESS, Only because you believe in it. REALLY? I AM FAR FROM BEING THE ONLY ONE THEN..! > AND IN THE LOWEST OF LOWEST OF VACCUUM OF SPACE. > AMERICA HAS GONE TO HELL. Hardly! Last night I ran out of electricity because I failed to rebuild a generator that I was trying to repair. Because I did not understand that I had to torque a bolt to 60 foot-pounds, a tiny pin in a hollow shaft broke. I've not been able to replace that, nor get to a place where it could be repaired. One month, it's sat on my work bench while I wondered what had really gone wrong, what could be done, and mostly, went about doing other things. It only became critical Friday, when the heavy generator failed. (For good, I think.) PERHAPS YOU CAN DRILL-BORE THE PIN OUT OF THE HOLE WHERE THE PIN IS STUCK???? I DON'T KNOW. Am I a failure for it? Hardly! It's just something I don't understand very well. I am not what I do. I am not stupid because I don't understand something, don't have the experience with it. (Even if it is costly, inconvenient, and frustrating.) YOU'RE RIGHT..! Today, I found a shop that would fix that for maybe $50. It's kind of expensive at the moment. But the temperature inversion and the air flowing from San Jose meant that I felt too weak to drive safely. I could barely waddle around trying to fix a leak in the water system. Ended up putting that one too, aside for a better day. No running water till I do that. Air pollution does that to me, making me feel very, very tired, robbing me of my coordination, making me appear to have advanced Parkinson's. So another day goes by. Am I a failure for it? Hardly! Yes, my body is broken in several ways; but the spirit knows what it is. Patience, and another day... PATIENCE IS VERY DIFFICULT TO COME BY; AND ANOTHER DAY IS JUST SO DAMNED DIFFICULT FOR ME TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR..! I have a project I need to turn in for some fair bunch of money if it works. It involves some AI / genetic algorithms, etc. COOL MAN; I'D LIKE TO SEE THE OUTCOME OF THE A.I. AND THE GENTIC ALGORITHMS, IF THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL..! IF RESOURCES WERE AVAILABLE TO ME; I'D HAVE ALREADY EXPERIMENTED WITH CRUDE A.I. A LONG TIME AGO..! Because of lack of electricity, lack of water, lack of a lot of things, I've not yet even started writing it. I might not even get to it before the guy gives up. Am I a failure for it? Not quite; though it really rankles me that this is the kind of stuff I love to do, the kind of impossible mission that no one else I know is willing to try. WELL; I'LL TRY TO BE OF ENCOURAGEMENT BACK..! I HOPE THAT YOU'RE A.I. PROJECT TURNS OUT TO BE A SUCCESS..! Time will bring other projects. Perhaps I will be more ready. You are only a failure if you give up, if you stop trying. I KNOW; AND THE WAITING TIME BECAUSE OF ENDLESS FINANCIAL BULLSHIT, MAKES LIFE SO STRESSFUL..! Go read about Shackleton and The Endeavor. There's an adventure Go read about Shackleton and The Endeavor. There's an adventure for you, one where everything goes wrong step by step. Even as the purpose fails, courage and will, triumph. I'D LIKE TO GO WATCH THE NEW MOVIE JUST RELEASED: NARNIA / THE LION THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE. In fact, most of the things you try will not succeed! Hell is where everything you do succeeds, till you believe that your efforts have no value. YEAH; LIFE HAS REALLY BECOME HELL..! LIFE HAS BECOME HELL FOR THE MOST PART. (Twilight Zone episode, some hood DID YOU MEAN: HOODLUM???? goes to what he thinks is heaven, till all his heists succeed. It starts to bother him quit a bit! Then he goes and asks the ruler of this place just what's going on. As he leaves, he asks if he could try hell. The ruler asks him where he thinks he is...) HMM; WELL; OK.... You are only a failure if you do not have the WILL to TRY!!! I HAVE THE WILL TO TRY. FINANCIAL DEFICIENCIES CAUSE A LACKING OF HAVING THE URGE TO TRY. And the wisdom to accept that not everything you try will succeed. I HAVE THE WISDOM THAT I MUST SUCCEED WITHOUT FAILURE, BECAUSE MY PARENTS HAVE JUST FAILED SO MUCH; AND I HAVE JUST FAILED SO MUCH TOO; THAT LIKE THE COVER OF THE AMERICAN IDIOT ALBUM, BY THE BAND: GREEN DAY; MY HEART FEELS LIKE IT IS GOING TO ANEURYSM IN MY CHEST AT TIMES; DUE TO SO MUCH OVERWHELMING PRESSURE, AND AT OTHER TIMES; I JUST FEEL HEARTLESS; DUE TO SO MANY PEOPLE AND THEIR ENDLESS 'EVERLASTING' FUCKING GOD DAMNED SHIT..! SOMETIMES MY HEART HAS LITERALLY FELT LIKE IT HAS BURST OPEN, AND GUSHED BLOOD ONTO MY CHEST; DRENCHING THE FRONT OF MY SHIRT WITH A 'WATERFALL- 'BLOODFALL' OF GUSHING BLOOD. Laugh at yourself. Then when laugher makes you feel better, smile, pick up the pieces, and try again. Or put it off till you figure out why that attempt did not succeed. TIME; TIME IS A PRISON..! http://www.google.com/search?q=Shackleton+endeavor CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051210/4a6f7ce8/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 18:58:35 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Dec 10 18:58:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SUCCESS; In-Reply-To: <20051210200549.27386.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051211015835.33305.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> JOHN, I WENT TO THE GOOGLE WEBLINK BELOW, AND TWO OF THE BEST LINKS ARE THE FOLLOWING: http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/movies/e/endurance.html http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000065Q9E.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg clyde lofton wrote: Go read about Shackleton and The Endeavor. There's an adventure Go read about Shackleton and The Endeavor. There's an adventure for you, one where everything goes wrong step by step. Even as the purpose fails, courage a nd will, triumph. http://www.google.com/search?q=Shackleton+endeavor --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051210/589f5d51/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 19:06:03 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Dec 10 19:06:09 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SHACKLETON, AND OTHER. In-Reply-To: <20051211015835.33305.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051211020603.66761.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> JOHN, I'D LIKE TO ALSO GET A COPY OF THAT MOVIE, ON D.V.D. ALTHOUGH I CAN PROBABLY RENT IT FROM A LOCAL BLOCKBUSTER VIDEO STORE. *I ALSO WANTED TO ASK IF YOU KNOW WHAT THE BEST APPROACH IS, FOR THE PERMANENT ELIMINATION OF CANKER SORES? I KNOW YOU'VE MENTIONED HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING IT IN THE PAST; BUT DUE TO SO MUCH ENDLESS BULLSHIT INTERFERENCE IN MY LIFE, I'VE NEVER GOT AROUND TO FOLLOWING THROUGH ON CHECKING INTO CANKER SORE AND PERMANENT CANDIDA SANITAZATION- -CLEANSING-DETOXIFICATION..! CLYDE clyde lofton wrote: JOHN, I WENT TO THE GOOGLE WEBLINK BELOW, AND TWO OF THE BEST LINKS ARE THE FOLLOWING: http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/movies/e/endurance.html http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000065Q9E.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051210/4dd163eb/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Dec 10 20:00:21 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Dec 10 20:00:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SHACKLETON, AND OTHER.\ In-Reply-To: <20051211020603.66761.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 10, 2005 06:06:03 PM Message-ID: <20051211030021.80704.qmail@mall-net.com> > I'D LIKE TO ALSO GET A COPY OF THAT MOVIE, ON > D.V.D. > ALTHOUGH I CAN PROBABLY RENT IT FROM A LOCAL > BLOCKBUSTER VIDEO STORE. Movie? Read the books. Movies are junk compared to the books! Utter worthless Junk! Especially when it comes to some thing like Shackleton and his epic journey. (I still think it's Endeavor, not Endurance; but I am not sure why...) Movies are done for show, to tell an entertaining story, promote the myth and romance, as well as some brain dead actor's ego; glossing over the details of WHY and HOW things happen. This is why I go to so few movies. Books tend to be more about truth, detail, analysis, etc. You can't learn much from a movie about an event. You can learn a great deal from the books about it! Including the differences in the points of view of multiple authors and people who experienced the same general events. Almost all the movies I have seen of the books I have read were not worth the money I paid to see them. (There are other reasons to see movies.) The people who create movies are generally stupid, slavishly striving for visual effects to stimulate emotions. The events they try to portray are not fundamentally emotional events; they are turning points of thought, of effort, of stuff you can't see. In a book you see inside a person's head. In a movie, you see some actor trying to look heroic. In real life, the person he is trying to represent wasn't heroic; he was trying to get things Done! For REASON! Only after the fact, did others say his deeds were heroic. And when you look at the people, you find that they were often nothing like the actor in thought, in ability, in orientation, etc. I find movies are generally stupid!!! That said, they can, at times, be quite entertaining, fun, etc. Just don't mistake entertainment for education of any sort what so ever! Sure, I saw a number of the Star Trek movies, as well as some of the old classics, which relied on the craft of building characters and situations over the special effects of today. Some of the stuff is rather entertaining. And yes, there are some reasonably decent documentary type movies. But most of them are full of errors made for the purpose of telling a story without regard to the reasons WHY the story happened as it did. (Some DO take effort to lay out why things happen. The Towering Inferno was one of them; but the book was a heck of a lot better.) There is some sense that some of the directors may be returning to the craft of character development; but I doubt with any of the dedication some of the old masters had. Capra and Jimmy Steward are my favorites. Charlton Heston was darned good, too; in a different arena. But Heston IS a character. (Or was, he's sinking with Alzheimer's now.) They portrayed CHARACTER! They showed you someone you had empathy for; someone you might find worth emulating some of the attributes of. It was all about CHARACTER! Character, as someone wrote, is what makes you do the things that are right, even if you don't really want to. It's what glues society together with or without technology. Character makes a person a guide post in whatever storm may come. And in life, we all face devastating storms from time to time. It is what endures in memory long after the person has left. Real characters do not let character get in their way. Rather, the character is often based upon larger understandings, deep thought, analysis, and the sense that values and principles are more important than individuals; for they create the individuals and the society we live in. I believe the failure of America is not so much the failure of morals or the rise of greed; those are but side effects. It is the failure of parents to instill character in their children. It is not by punishment that this is done. It is by opportunity to experience the effects of desire and hard work to fulfill those desires. It is learning through personal failure as well as success. And by reading of the lives of people who are honest with themselves about their mistakes; their failures more than their successes. Most people today, when the tide of history washes their flesh from their bones, leave but a few works behind. Real characters endure along with their works. > *I ALSO WANTED TO ASK IF YOU KNOW WHAT THE > BEST APPROACH IS, FOR THE PERMANENT ELIMINATION > OF CANKER SORES? I am not a doctor. I like vitamin C crystals, slurry, or ascorbyl palmitate, an oil form of C for things like that; but acid hurts. In general, we humans don't get enough vitamin C in our diets. This is why our immune systems are not as robust as most animals, and why we swell after injury. However, I suspect that the lack of vitamin C reduces our tendency toward burning adrenaline to get things done, and thus may increase our life span as well as limiting it. > I KNOW YOU'VE MENTIONED HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING > IT IN THE PAST; BUT DUE TO SO MUCH ENDLESS > BULLSHIT INTERFERENCE IN MY LIFE, I'VE NEVER GOT > AROUND TO FOLLOWING THROUGH ON CHECKING INTO > CANKER SORE AND PERMANENT CANDIDA SANITAZATION- > -CLEANSING-DETOXIFICATION..! Nothing is permanent. One needs to encourage allies, in this case pro-biotics like acidophilus bacteria; reduction of sweets, etc. The best book on the topic is the Bantam paperback "The Yeast Syndrome" by Trowbridge and Walker. Not to be confused with Dr. Truss' "The Yeast Connection" series, which I think inferior. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Dec 11 15:29:20 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Dec 11 15:29:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SHACKLETON, AND OTHER.\ In-Reply-To: <20051211030021.80704.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051211222920.65912.qmail@web50615.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > I'D LIKE TO ALSO GET A COPY OF THAT MOVIE, ON > D.V.D. > ALTHOUGH I CAN PROBABLY RENT IT FROM A LOCAL > BLOCKBUSTER VIDEO STORE. Movie? Read the books. Movies are junk compared to the books! Utter worthless Junk! Especially when it comes to some thing like Shackleton and his epic journey. (I still think it's Endeavor, not Endurance; but I am not sure why...) Movies are done for show, to tell an entertaining story, promote the myth and romance, as well as some brain dead actor's ego; glossing over the details of WHY and HOW things happen. This is why I go to so few movies. Books tend to be more about truth, detail, analysis, etc. You can't learn much from a movie about an event. You can learn a great deal from the books about it! Including the differences in the points of view of multiple authors and people who experienced the same general events. Almost all the movies I have seen of the books I have read were not worth the money I paid to see them. (There are other reasons to see movies.) The people who create movies are generally stupid, slavishly striving for visual effects to stimulate emotions. The events they try to portray are not fundamentally emotional events; they are turning points of thought, of effort, of stuff you can't see. In a book you see inside a person's head. In a movie, you see some actor trying to look heroic. In real life, the person he is trying to represent wasn't heroic; he was trying to get things Done! For REASON! Only after the fact, did others say his deeds were heroic. And when you look at the people, you find that they were often nothing like the actor in thought, in ability, in orientation, etc. I find movies are generally stupid!!! I WONDER IF SHACKLETON MIGHT BE AVAILABLE IN AUDIO BOOK FORMAT..? AUDIO BOOKS ARE WHAT ARE MY TYPE OF FORMAT; ON C.D. AUDIO.... AUDIO CASSETTES ARE OBSOLETE FOR ME AND MANY OTHERS TOO. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051211/23ad9460/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Dec 11 15:46:55 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Dec 11 15:47:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] INTERDEPENDENCE AND INDEPENDENCE..! Message-ID: <20051211224655.89381.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> INTERDEPENDENCE AND INDEPENDENCE: 1. INTERDEPENDENCE IS NOT INDEPENDENCE..! 2. INTERDEPENDENCE IS ANTI INDEPENDENCE..! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051211/7b8b7495/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Dec 11 19:24:38 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Dec 11 19:24:54 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] INTERDEPENDENCE AND INDEPENDENCE..! In-Reply-To: <20051211224655.89381.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 11, 2005 02:46:55 PM Message-ID: <20051212022438.74834.qmail@mall-net.com> > INTERDEPENDENCE AND INDEPENDENCE: > > 1. INTERDEPENDENCE IS NOT INDEPENDENCE..! > > 2. INTERDEPENDENCE IS ANTI INDEPENDENCE..! Ok, so go strip off all your clothes, shoes, even pocket knife, walk into the woods, and see how long you last as a truly independent person. Oops, I forgot -- empty your mind of everything you know about everything you didn't personally work with. Using the Boy Scout's Handbook is cheating! (Kind of cold out there, you know. And bark clothes are kind of, well, itchy-scratchy.) The civilized kind of independence, is where you can speak your mind without worrying about the thought police like they have in so many other nations like China, Tanzania, most of the African and Asian kleptocracies, etc. The civilized independence is where you can decide you don't want to work for company A anymore, and get a job at company B, or C, or D. The civilized independence is where you can decide you don't like grocery store chain A, and so go buy from B, or C, or D. And yes, just because you ARE in a civilization that give you independence, , you can buy some camping gear, walk out into the woods (providing you have an agreement with the owner) and camp out if you like. That's what we mean by Independence -- The Right to Choose. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Dec 11 19:38:33 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Dec 11 19:38:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SHACKLETON, AND OTHER.\ In-Reply-To: <20051211222920.65912.qmail@web50615.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 11, 2005 02:29:20 PM Message-ID: <20051212023833.87575.qmail@mall-net.com> > Movie? Read the books. > > Movies are junk compared to the books! Utter worthless Junk! > > I WONDER IF SHACKLETON MIGHT BE AVAILABLE IN AUDIO > BOOK FORMAT..? I like to read. I like to go back a few pages, re-read something I didn't quite get, make notes in the margins, underline well formed lines, fold down the corners on pages I particularly liked, etc. Listening is passive, some boring voice droning on at his or her own rate. Reading is active, it gets you asking questions, flipping back and forth, working the book for all it's worth. And really appreciating the author's craft because I can stop, appreciate something, read it again, repeat it aloud if I like it, etc. The people who like tapes or CDs are the ones who have long commutes. But good literature is wasted that way. And if really good, endangers the driver. You have to imagine what is going on. That's active. Yes, I tried Evylin Woods Reading Dynamics and some other fast-reading junk. JUNK! The slowest reader is the University Professor. It's not because he's stupid or can't read. It's because he is thinking about what he is reading about, referencing it to other things he's read in that area, checking concepts against other concepts, etc. He's the most active reader because he knows so much. Thus, he reads slowly to really get at the concepts the person who wrote the book was thinking about and describing. Speed reading is a waste of time. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 14:22:42 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Dec 12 14:22:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] INTERDEPENDENCE AND INDEPENDENCE..! In-Reply-To: <20051212022438.74834.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051212212242.14207.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> IS IT POSSIBLE TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY'S EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM THEN, INTO A HIGH TECH FUNDAMENTALIST WAY OF INSTRUCTION AND TEACHING? THE MASS EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM HAS BECOME A FAILURE FOR THE MASSES OF PEOPLE..! YES; IT COME DOWN TO THE FUCKING CURRENT EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM FOR EVERYONE: EQUALLY..! CLYDE javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > INTERDEPENDENCE AND INDEPENDENCE: > > 1. INTERDEPENDENCE IS NOT INDEPENDENCE..! > > 2. INTERDEPENDENCE IS ANTI INDEPENDENCE..! Ok, so go strip off all your clothes, shoes, even pocket knife, walk into the woods, and see how long you last as a truly independent person. Oops, I forgot -- empty your mind of everything you know about everything you didn't personally work with. Using the Boy Scout's Handbook is cheating! (Kind of cold out there, you know. And bark clothes are kind of, well, itchy-scratchy.) The civilized kind of independence, is where you can speak your mind without worrying about the thought police like they have in so many other nations like China, Tanzania, most of the African and Asian kleptocracies, etc. The civilized independence is where you can decide you don't want to work for company A anymore, and get a job at company B, or C, or D. The civilized independence is where you can decide you don't like grocery store chain A, and so go buy from B, or C, or D. And yes, just because you ARE in a civilization that give you independence, , you can buy some camping gear, walk out into the woods (providing you have an agreement with the owner) and camp out if you like. That's what we mean by Independence -- The Right to Choose. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051212/3791ed3d/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 14:46:11 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Dec 12 14:47:08 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] INTERDEPENDENCE AND INDEPENDENCE..! (CORRECTED FROM PREVIOUS SEND). In-Reply-To: <20051212212242.14207.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051212214611.5940.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> CORRECTED FROM PREVIOUS SEND: clyde lofton < clydelofton@yahoo.com > wrote: IS IT POSSIBLE TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY'S EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM THEN, INTO A HIGH TECH FUNDAMENTALIST WAY OF INSTRUCTION AND TEACHING? THE MASS EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM HAS BECOME A FAILURE FOR THE MASSES OF PEOPLE..! YES; IT COMES DOWN TO THE FUCKING CURRENT EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM FOR EVERYONE: EQUALLY..! CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051212/3971b778/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Dec 12 16:03:06 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Dec 12 16:03:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] INTERDEPENDENCE AND INDEPENDENCE..! In-Reply-To: <20051212212242.14207.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 12, 2005 01:22:42 PM Message-ID: <20051212230306.56856.qmail@mall-net.com> > IS IT POSSIBLE TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY'S EDUCATIONAL > SYSTEM THEN, INTO A HIGH TECH FUNDAMENTALIST > WAY OF INSTRUCTION AND TEACHING? No. The true goal, the abandoned true goal of teaching, is to teach the student to THINK!!! To help the student gain the mechanisms of thought and reasoning. Knowledge, while useful, is a secondary issue. All the knowledge in the world is useless unless accessible to a curious and thinking mind. Re-ordering a bit... > YES; IT COME DOWN TO THE FUCKING CURRENT EDUCATIONAL > SYSTEM FOR EVERYONE: EQUALLY..! There is no equality in education. People are not equal in mental ability, in curiosity, tenacity, support, resources, etc. Above all, it is tenacity and curiosity that make the difference; intelligence, though critical, is secondary in the greater scheme of things. As for tenacity, it can work in favor or against a person. Strength of a sense of self is also important, and is not quite the same as what is commonly called ego. A person who has a strong sense of self, as I do, is not so dismayed when he breaks something or finds out that he is wrong about something. > THE MASS EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM HAS BECOME A > FAILURE FOR THE MASSES OF PEOPLE..! > First, the education system has failed the educators. They are not educated to think, so they do not place emphasis on thinking as the basic form of competence. And with that, they can not but fail the people. This is why prep schools are so popular. And a bit better. But they too, are subject to legal licensing requirements which make the really able persons unable to teach except in a religious setting. (Which usually precludes teaching kids to question and think...) Testing focuses teachers on teaching to the test, and testing can not test general reasoning capability very well. And all the rote memorization, etc. basically has no spark compared to video games and other forms of entertainment, so school becomes the dullest, most boring part of the day with homework a real chore. Teaching is the profession for those who can not do anything useful. It does not pay well enough to attract competent people, does not test for general competency, etc. It's mostly the wasteland of people who can't do anything else! In high school, I was a member of the Future Teacher's Association. I enjoy teaching. I like the Socratic method, which is harder to do in a classroom where the students don't want to learn, just to get a passing grade. I like asking questions, I like seening people start thinking, getting them to question what they know, etc. I soon saw that most of the kids who wanted to be teachers were not what I would call top tier students. With lower ambitions, lower interests, and a bias against science, they just didn't have much interest in thinking as a pastime. The more interesting teachers were older people who had had non-education careers. I particularly enjoyed LJP's occasional comments about his experiences as a geologist and how that related to the Earth Sciences stuff we were studying. He enjoyed his career as a geologist, and enjoyed talking about it. He lit up the room for me when he would start one of his monologues on how he mined some opals in Australia, or investigated this or that mine in South America. Or just the comments about this or that which he had seen and done as a geologist. He was happy! That breath of life showed us that a person could be really happy doing interesting things if he was good at what he did. KM was a really great guy too, enjoying what he did, enjoying seeing the occasional spark in a kid. He really enjoyed helping kids with their projects, or just talking with kids such as myself after school, helping us understand stuff we were interested in. LJP and KM were two really bright lights in my high school days, fanning the flames ES helped start in junior high. (I was already interested; but ES helped get me asking questions. I wasn't that vocal a kid, I think, partly because most of the adults around me didn't accept that I knew more than they did in the technical areas.) Good education isn't about matching this to that, about repeating things rote; it's about learning the process of THINKING! (Read some of Feynman's books. He reams American education for terrible text books, etc. What he does to South American education where social status, a key think in Hispanic cultures, is a lot bloodier.) The world will toss you curves far, far more often than a straight path! If you can't see how to climb off the main road and do some serious bushwhacking, you are just dead meat for any marketer, loan shark, con artist, etc.! If you CAN climb off the road, bushwhack, then you don't need a career, because you are the career. You will START industries! (As have I.) But a sound understanding of business economics is what makes the difference between someone who's there first, and someone who stays in the business. Rare is the person who understands both. Apparently not me, else I wouldn't be broke. But the fat lady hasn't sung yet, so who know, I might yet get something out of this life besides personal satisfaction that I was right about several key things despite what others kept saying. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Dec 12 18:09:45 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Mon Dec 12 18:09:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Shifting Light Into Reverse Message-ID: <007f01c5ff81$e7fc68b0$6401a8c0@mikey> Shifting Light Into Reverse A new material with a negative index of refraction could lead to new optical technologies Ivan Amato A new nanomaterial of minuscule gold rods embedded in glass manipulates light passing through it like no naturally occurring substance (Opt. Lett. 2005, 30, 3356). Potential payoffs, say the Purdue University inventors of the material, are optical microscopes that can image molecules and photolithography processes that can sculpt more components onto silicon chips. The phase, or wave motion, of certain light passing through the new material ends up traveling backward even as the light itself moves forward-a dynamic akin to peddling backward on a coasting bike, the researchers explain. In 2001, when scientists made the first material structure with this trait known as negative index of refraction, it was a sensation because it was the first demonstration of a long-predicted phenomenon. It only worked with longish-wavelength microwave radiation, however. http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i50/8350material.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Dec 12 18:13:31 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Mon Dec 12 18:13:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Super Sponges Soak Up CO2 Message-ID: <008001c5ff82$6f024be0$6401a8c0@mikey> Super Sponges Soak Up CO2 Custom-designed porous compounds exhibit unprecedented gas uptake MITCH JACOBY Imagine a supersponge capable of soaking up vast quantities of carbon dioxide in the exhaust gas of power plants or in automobile tailpipe emissions. Such a sponge might be useful in new procedures for greenhouse-gas cleanup that are more efficient and cost-effective than current methods, which include treatment with aqueous solutions. Using chemical synthesis, researchers at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, have created a whole family of gas-gobbling sponges. The materials, which are known as metal-organic framework (MOF) compounds, are stable, crystalline, porous substances consisting of metal clusters joined by organic linker groups. In earlier studies, the researchers characterized the crystals' structures and surface areas. Now they report that MOFs are well-suited to trapping CO2. One of the compounds, MOF-177, has a room-temperature CO2 capacity of 140 weight % (33.5 mmol per g) at moderate pressure (about 30 bar), which far exceeds the CO2 storage capacity of any other porous material (J. Am. Chem. Soc., 2005, 127, 17998). http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i50/8350notw8.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 14:50:57 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Dec 13 20:22:56 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] INTERDEPENDENCE AND INDEPENDENCE..! In-Reply-To: <20051212230306.56856.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051213215057.18856.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > IS IT POSSIBLE TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY'S EDUCATIONAL > SYSTEM THEN, INTO A HIGH TECH FUNDAMENTALIST > WAY OF INSTRUCTION AND TEACHING? No. JUST ONE MAN'S OPINION THOUGH..! I HAVE SEEN A MISERABLE GLIMPSE OF THE DOWNTRODDEN AND OPPRESSED SIDE OF REALITY FOR SO MANY MANY PEOPLE. I SHOULD EXPAND MY LIST TO SAY: 1. AMERICA NEEDS DRASTIC MORAL REVIVAL..! 2. AMERICA NEEDS DRASTIC EDUCATION SYSTEM RESTRUCTURING / REVIVAL..! 3. AMERICA NEEDS DRASTIC CHANGE TO THE LONG LONG OVERDUE, ESOTERIC SMALL SCALE INDEPENDENT ELECTRICAL POWER GENERATING TECHNOLOGY ALTERNATIVES..! AND; 4. AMERICA NEEDS DRASTIC HEALTHCARE REFORM - IMPROVEMENT..! The true goal, the abandoned true goal of teaching, is to teach the student to THINK!!! To help the student gain the mechanisms of thought and reasoning. Knowledge, while useful, is a secondary issue. All the knowledge in the world is useless unless accessible to a curious and thinking mind. Re-ordering a bit... > YES; IT COME DOWN TO THE FUCKING CURRENT EDUCATIONAL > SYSTEM FOR EVERYONE: EQUALLY..! There is no equality in education. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU..! FAVORITISM EXISTS; BUT I DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY..! People are not equal in mental ability, in curiosity, tenacity, support, resources, etc. Above all, it is tenacity and curiosity that make the difference; intelligence, though critical, is secondary in the greater scheme of things. As for tenacity, it can work in favor or against a person. Strength of a sense of self is also important, and is not quite the same as what is commonly called ego. A person who has a strong sense of self, as I do, is not so dismayed when he breaks something or finds out that he is wrong about something. > THE MASS EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM HAS BECOME A > FAILURE FOR THE MASSES OF PEOPLE..! > First, the education system has failed the educators. They are not educated to think, so they do not place emphasis on thinking as the basic form of competence. And with that, they can not but fail the people. This is why prep schools are so popular. And a bit better. But they too, are subject to legal licensing requirements which make the really able persons unable to teach except in a religious setting. (Which usually precludes teaching kids to question and think...) Testing focuses teachers on teaching to the test, and testing can not test general reasoning capability very well. And all the rote memorization, etc. basically has no spark compared to video games and other forms of entertainment, so school becomes the dullest, most boring part of the day with homework a real chore. Teaching is the profession for those who can not do anything useful. It does not pay well enough to attract competent people, does not test for general competency, etc. It's mostly the wasteland of people who can't do anything else! In high school, I was a member of the Future Teacher's Association. I enjoy teaching. I like the Socratic method, which is harder to do in a classroom where the students don't want to learn, just to get a passing grade. I like asking questions, I like seening people start thinking, getting them to question what they know, etc. I soon saw that most of the kids who wanted to be teachers were not what I would call top tier students. With lower ambitions, lower interests, and a bias against science, they just didn't have much interest in thinking as a pastime. The more interesting teachers were older people who had had non-education careers. I particularly enjoyed LJP's occasional comments about his experiences as a geologist and how that related to the Earth Sciences stuff we were studying. He enjoyed his career as a geologist, and enjoyed talking about it. He lit up the room for me when he would start one of his monologues on how he mined some opals in Australia, or investigated this or that mine in South America. Or just the comments about this or that which he had seen and done as a geologist. He was happy! That breath of life showed us that a person could be really happy doing interesting things if he was good at what he did. KM was a really great guy too, enjoying what he did, enjoying seeing the occasional spark in a kid. He really enjoyed helping kids with their projects, or just talking with kids such as myself after school, helping us understand stuff we were interested in. LJP and KM were two really bright lights in my high school days, fanning the flames ES helped start in junior high. (I was already interested; but ES helped get me asking questions. I wasn't that vocal a kid, I think, partly because most of the adults around me didn't accept that I knew more than they did in the technical areas.) Good education isn't about matching this to that, about repeating things rote; it's about learning the process of THINKING! (Read some of Feynman's books. YEAH; I SAW A FEYNMAN AUDIO BOOK AT THE LOCAL BARNES AND NOBLE BOOKSTORE. I'D LIKE TO GET A COPY OF THAT. He reams American education for terrible text books, etc. What he does to South American education where social status, a key think in Hispanic cultures, is a lot bloodier.) The world will toss you curves far, far more often than a straight path! If you can't see how to climb off the main road and do some serious bushwhacking, you are just dead meat for any marketer, loan shark, con artist, etc.! If you CAN climb off the road, bushwhack, then you don't need a career, because you are the career. You will START industries! (As have I.) OK; AMERICAN INDUSTRY NEEDS A MAJOR KICK IN THE ASS..! I'M ABOUT TO GO TO THE GOVERNMENT AND HOLD A CARDBOARD SIGN, SAYING: WILL WORK FOR FOOD, MONEY, AND THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE FUTURE OF AMERICA..! I'D RATHER NOT WORK FOR THE GOV'T, BUT WHAT DOES ONE DO, WHEN THEY ARE SOAKED FOR ALL THAT THEY'VE GOT, WITH NO HOPE FOR A POSITIVE FUTURE, STRUGGLING FOR INDEPENDENCE / SUCCESS..? But a sound understanding of business economics is what makes the difference between someone who's there first, and someone who stays in the business. Rare is the person who understands both. Apparently not me, else I wouldn't be broke. But the fat lady hasn't sung yet, so who know, I might yet get something out of this life besides personal satisfaction that I was right about several key things despite what others kept saying. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051213/401b3005/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 15:01:34 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Dec 13 20:28:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Shifting Light Into Reverse In-Reply-To: <007f01c5ff81$e7fc68b0$6401a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20051213220135.36354.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> COOL MAN..! Michael Best wrote: Shifting Light Into Reverse A new material with a negative index of refraction could lead to new optical technologies Ivan Amato A new nanomaterial of minuscule gold rods embedded in glass manipulates light passing through it like no naturally occurring substance (Opt. Lett. 2005, 30, 3356). Potential payoffs, say the Purdue University inventors of the material, are optical microscopes that can image molecules and photolithography processes that can sculpt more components onto silicon chips. The phase, or wave motion, of certain light passing through the new material ends up traveling backward even as the light itself moves forward-a dynamic akin to peddling backward on a coasting bike, the researchers explain. In 2001, when scientists made the first material structure with this trait known as negative index of refraction, it was a sensation because it was the first demonstration of a long-predicted phenomenon. It only worked with longish-wavelength microwave radiation, however. http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i50/8350material.html _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051216/bc6847af/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Dec 16 20:47:10 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Dec 16 20:47:29 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE. In-Reply-To: <20051217034011.42106.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 16, 2005 07:40:11 PM Message-ID: <20051217034710.41712.qmail@mall-net.com> > I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE..! Why would you ever want to be a drug addict? I mean, just look at those losers! they are willing to kill for their next fix. You're above that. You are not driven insane by you cravings. You are still a civilized human being with a soul that respects humanity. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 20:48:11 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Dec 16 20:48:45 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ADDING TO IT: In-Reply-To: <20051217034011.42106.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051217034811.19817.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> ADDING TO IT: clyde lofton < clydelofton@yahoo.com > wrote: I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE FOR THE HOLIDAYS..! CLYDE __________________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051216/6534845e/attachment.html From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 20:55:42 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Fri Dec 16 20:56:30 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ADDING TO IT: In-Reply-To: <20051217034811.19817.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051217035542.47947.qmail@web51015.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, Don't give the bastards the satisfaction. Don't quit. Don't ever quit. consider Tulsa the Forge from which you hammer and temper your mind and soul into your tools and weapons. Rise above the dust of tulsa, and win. Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > ADDING TO IT: > > clyde lofton < clydelofton@yahoo.com > wrote: > > I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE FOR THE HOLIDAYS..! > > CLYDE > __________________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list: > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 21:10:19 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Dec 16 21:10:23 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE. In-Reply-To: <20051217034710.41712.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051217041019.52161.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE..! Why would you ever want to be a drug addict? ACTUALLY, I WANT TO BE AN ANTI-DRUG ADDICT. THE PAINFUL STRESS THAT IS INVOLVED IN THE EVER CONTINUING-EVER STRIVING TO BE AND TO DO BETTER, IS JUST SO PAINFUL, THAT I FEEL LIKE THE PAIN, SUFFERING - STRESS WILL NEVER COME TO A PEACEFUL, AND PERFECT END IN MY LIFE. I DESPERATELY NEED LASTING PEACE IN MY LIFE. I mean, just look at those losers! they are willing to kill for their next fix. You're above that. You are not driven insane by your cravings. You are still a civilized human being with a soul that respects humanity. YES; I STILL RESPECT HUMANITY; THOUGH SO MANY FOLKS OUT THERE AROUND HERE, THINK THAT I AM A REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE. BUT THEY'VE GOT IT ALL WRONG. THEY DON'T KNOW ME AT ALL..! AND YOU'VE MENTIONED ABOUT THE THOUGHT POLICE IN PAST REPLIES; WELL I HAVE A STRONG FEELING THAT BROADBAND OVER THE POWERLINE IS BEING USED AGAINST ME, AS SPYING ON ME, BY THE F.C.C., ETC...., THOUGH I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT, DUE TO FOREVER HALF ASSED-INSUFFICIENT EQUIPMENT, BECAUSE OF FOREVER INSUFFICIENT RESOURCES THAT ARE BEYOND MY CONTROL. Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. YES; BUT ONE HAS TO BE CAUTIOUS OF 'EVERLASTING' DANGERS. Fear destroys life. YES; WELL OK; IT DOES. Destroy your fear and live. HOW DOES ONE DESTROY FEAR, WHEN THE POTENTIALS FOR PAIN, SUFFERING, AND TRADGEDY ALWAYS EXIST IN LIFE; AROUND EVERY TURN; AROUND EVERY CORNER; AROUND EVERY STEP OF THE WAY? I'M SO TIRED.... CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051216/9578ef9f/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 21:10:42 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Dec 16 21:10:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE. In-Reply-To: <20051217034710.41712.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051217041042.17055.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE..! Why would you ever want to be a drug addict? ACTUALLY, I WANT TO BE AN ANTI-DRUG ADDICT. THE PAINFUL STRESS THAT IS INVOLVED IN THE EVER CONTINUING-EVER STRIVING TO BE AND TO DO BETTER, IS JUST SO PAINFUL, THAT I FEEL LIKE THE PAIN, SUFFERING - STRESS WILL NEVER COME TO A PEACEFUL, AND PERFECT END IN MY LIFE. I DESPERATELY NEED LASTING PEACE IN MY LIFE. I mean, just look at those losers! they are willing to kill for their next fix. You're above that. You are not driven insane by your cravings. You are still a civilized human being with a soul that respects humanity. YES; I STILL RESPECT HUMANITY; THOUGH SO MANY FOLKS OUT THERE AROUND HERE, THINK THAT I AM A REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE. BUT THEY'VE GOT IT ALL WRONG. THEY DON'T KNOW ME AT ALL..! AND YOU'VE MENTIONED ABOUT THE THOUGHT POLICE IN PAST REPLIES; WELL I HAVE A STRONG FEELING THAT BROADBAND OVER THE POWERLINE IS BEING USED AGAINST ME, AS SPYING ON ME, BY THE F.C.C., ETC...., THOUGH I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT, DUE TO FOREVER HALF ASSED-INSUFFICIENT EQUIPMENT, BECAUSE OF FOREVER INSUFFICIENT RESOURCES THAT ARE BEYOND MY CONTROL. Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. YES; BUT ONE HAS TO BE CAUTIOUS OF 'EVERLASTING' DANGERS. Fear destroys life. YES; WELL OK; IT DOES. Destroy your fear and live. HOW DOES ONE DESTROY FEAR, WHEN THE POTENTIALS FOR PAIN, SUFFERING, AND TRADGEDY ALWAYS EXIST IN LIFE; AROUND EVERY TURN; AROUND EVERY CORNER; AROUND EVERY STEP OF THE WAY? I'M SO TIRED.... CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051216/ada78dfa/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 21:21:29 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Dec 16 21:21:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ADDING TO IT: In-Reply-To: <20051217035542.47947.qmail@web51015.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051217042129.37586.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Robert Juliano < rhjuliano@yahoo.com > wrote: Clyde, Don't give the bastards the satisfaction. Don't quit. Don't ever quit. Consider Tulsa the Forge from which you hammer and temper your mind and soul into your tools and weapons. ALRIGHT. Rise above the dust of tulsa, and win. I HOPE THERE'S HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS INDUSTRIALIZED SLUM TOWN; BECAUSE LIKE I'VE SAID IT ALREADY: TULSA IS OVERZONED; OVERTAXED; OVERDRUGGED; AND OVERDOSED; ALL: WITHOUT REPRESENTATION..! I WANT TO MOVE, AND TO MOVE TO A PLACE WHERE ONLY SERENITY EXISTS. THE FUTURE OF THIS SLUM TOWN ALWAYS LOOKS SO DREARY; EVERLASTING INSANE VERTIGO: TULSA TIME..! CLYDE Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: ADDING TO IT: clyde lofton < clydelofton@yahoo.com > wrote: I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE FOR THE HOLIDAYS..! CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051216/4cff51d3/attachment-0001.html From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 21:29:23 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Fri Dec 16 21:29:29 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ADDING TO IT: In-Reply-To: <20051217042129.37586.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051217042923.97993.qmail@web51011.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, serenity is more a state of mind, than anything else... a smart mad scientist uses the tools around him to build his/her creations in an efficient manner. In Eastern Shore, Maryland, I build a cheap wind tunnel in the front yard. I built it from angle irons, house fans, and a dance room smoke generator. use the tools/things around tulsa to build your goals. Bob (getting his mental kung fu on) --- clyde lofton wrote: > > > Robert Juliano < rhjuliano@yahoo.com > wrote: > > Clyde, > > Don't give the bastards the satisfaction. > Don't quit. Don't ever quit. > > Consider Tulsa the Forge from which you hammer and > temper your mind and soul into your tools and > weapons. > > ALRIGHT. > > Rise above the dust of tulsa, and win. > > I HOPE THERE'S HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS > INDUSTRIALIZED SLUM TOWN; BECAUSE LIKE I'VE > SAID IT ALREADY: TULSA IS OVERZONED; OVERTAXED; > OVERDRUGGED; AND OVERDOSED; ALL: WITHOUT > REPRESENTATION..! > I WANT TO MOVE, AND TO MOVE TO A PLACE WHERE > ONLY SERENITY EXISTS. > THE FUTURE OF THIS SLUM TOWN ALWAYS LOOKS > SO DREARY; EVERLASTING INSANE VERTIGO: TULSA > TIME..! > > CLYDE > > Bob > > --- clyde lofton wrote: > > ADDING TO IT: > > clyde lofton < clydelofton@yahoo.com > wrote: > > I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE FOR THE HOLIDAYS..! > > CLYDE > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051216/12a507a2/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Dec 16 21:49:03 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Dec 16 21:49:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE. In-Reply-To: <20051217041042.17055.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 16, 2005 08:10:42 PM Message-ID: <20051217044903.8583.qmail@mall-net.com> > ACTUALLY, I WANT TO BE AN ANTI-DRUG ADDICT. > THE PAINFUL STRESS THAT IS INVOLVED IN THE > EVER CONTINUING-EVER STRIVING TO BE AND > TO DO BETTER, IS JUST SO PAINFUL, THAT I > FEEL LIKE THE PAIN, SUFFERING - STRESS WILL > NEVER COME TO A PEACEFUL, AND PERFECT > END IN MY LIFE. Most lives end less than pleasantly. So what? Live the life you have so that when the end comes, you feel life was worth the living of it. Live it so that you know you added to the game of life, making this world a better place. For that is what warms the soul far more than anything else! Some do it by having and raising responsible kids, others by contributing inventions, managing important companies, etc. You... you still have much life to live, much that you can do. > I DESPERATELY NEED LASTING PEACE IN MY > LIFE. Why? Do you think many people have it? The brightest live on chaos, dancing ahead of it most of the time. > You're above that. You are not driven insane by your cravings. > > You are still a civilized human being with a soul that respects > humanity. > > YES; I STILL RESPECT HUMANITY; THOUGH SO MANY > FOLKS OUT THERE AROUND HERE, THINK THAT I AM > A REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE. > BUT THEY'VE GOT IT ALL WRONG. > THEY DON'T KNOW ME AT ALL..! We don't know most people. What we do expect out of them is civilized behavior. And with that, we reciprocate. And from that give-and-take, come friendships, collaborations, etc. Most of life is a series of collaborations with others, be they relatives, inlaws, bosses, etc. (And hopefully no outlaws.) > AND YOU'VE MENTIONED ABOUT THE THOUGHT POLICE > IN PAST REPLIES; WELL I HAVE A STRONG FEELING > THAT BROADBAND OVER THE POWERLINE IS BEING USED > AGAINST ME, AS SPYING ON ME, BY THE F.C.C., ETC...., Well, if you don't put signals into it, they won't have signals to look at, will they? > THOUGH I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT, > DUE TO FOREVER HALF ASSED-INSUFFICIENT EQUIPMENT, > BECAUSE OF FOREVER INSUFFICIENT RESOURCES THAT > ARE BEYOND MY CONTROL. Clyde, you are a small fish. As long as you don't do anything grossly illegal, you don't merit a moment's notice by the folks chasing errorist leads. > Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. > > YES; BUT ONE HAS TO BE CAUTIOUS OF 'EVERLASTING' > DANGERS. Worry about the things you can change. The things you can't change... you defy. (Yes, it's a cheap defiance, one without causing too many waves.) > Fear destroys life. > > YES; WELL OK; IT DOES. > > Destroy your fear and live. > > HOW DOES ONE DESTROY FEAR, WHEN THE POTENTIALS > FOR PAIN, SUFFERING, AND TRADGEDY ALWAYS EXIST > IN LIFE; AROUND EVERY TURN; AROUND EVERY CORNER; > AROUND EVERY STEP OF THE WAY? Am I worried about what will likely be progressive neural degeneration? Neuropathy is quite likely a long term outcome for my condition. Some say it is like being permanently immersed in fire, and they either dope themselves up on prescription meds, or they go utterly crazy. Often both. I know I will probably have to take my own life, that there will come a time when this will be the cleanest, most responsible thing that I will have to do. Till then, aside from taking reasonable steps to minimize the damage, I am not worried about it. I have a plan for what to do when it comes. I will make a neat exit, probably in a bath tub to minimize the cleanup needed. I know others who have taken similar measures to be ready when it comes due to cancer and other ailments. Having a plan in place is good, reassuring. But having that plan in place (not the tools), lets me NOT worry about it. I am free to do what I feel worth while. Life is worth the living of it!!! And so, I try to live a life worth living, for me, for the people I know, etc. But mostly because I have great faith in humanity and in the future. I might get lucky. I might not get enough neuropathy to end up in pain. But even if I do, humanity must go on. History shows us that the future is better than the past. It is better because each of us tries to make it better, by adding to it, by opposing bad things, by inspiring others, etc. Humanity goes on. We are privileged to partake in it. If you are a gift to society, society will be a gift to you. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Dec 16 22:02:14 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Dec 16 22:02:17 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ADDING TO IT: In-Reply-To: <20051217042923.97993.qmail@web51011.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Dec 16, 2005 08:29:23 PM Message-ID: <20051217050214.19010.qmail@mall-net.com> > serenity is more a state of mind, than anything > else... This is true. If you want bliss and serenity, you can train your mind to produce it. Thousands of Buddhists try this every day! And from what I've seen, most succeed. I think it a waste of time, resources, etc. Happy people don't make history. While I don't want to be particularly un-happy, mild disaffection for my present state isn't that bad a price to pay for motivating me to improve it. > a smart mad scientist uses the tools around him to > build his/her creations in an efficient manner. And part of that is to avoid the quest for perfection till one really knows perfection is worth while. Why spend tens of thousands of dollars for a granite optical table when a section of sandstone mountaintop will do for the preliminary proof of concept? (Hypothetical example) > In Eastern Shore, Maryland, I build a cheap wind > tunnel in the front yard. I built it from angle irons, > house fans, and a dance room smoke generator. Cute! > use the tools/things around tulsa to build your goals. > > Bob (getting his mental kung fu on) I like that, mental kung fu. I prefer Tai Chi myself, for it is a rich matrix of options; but the point is the same -- use you brains instead of money. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 22:03:50 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Dec 16 22:03:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ADDING TO IT: In-Reply-To: <20051217042923.97993.qmail@web51011.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051217050350.60790.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Robert Juliano < rhjuliano@yahoo.com > wrote: Clyde, Serenity is more a state of mind, than anything else... THAT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE, MOST OF THE TIME NOW, IN MY LIFE. A smart mad scientist uses the tools around him to build his/her creations in an efficient manner. YEAH; EFFICIENCY IS A TOP PRIORITY FOR ME; BUT MY DETAILED PERFECTIONISM IS ALWAYS AN ENDLESS OBSTACLE IN MY OWN PATH. In Eastern Shore, Maryland, I built a cheap wind tunnel in the front yard. I built it from angle irons, house fans, and a dance room smoke generator. YEAH; I'VE WANTED TO EXPERIMENT WITH A SMALL SCALE WIND TUNNEL WITH MY ANEMOMETER; ALTHOUGH I JUST REMEMBERED THE OTHER DAY THAT I STILL HAVE A GOOD OLD INDUSTRIAL FAN THAT I CAN USE, IN COMBINATION WITH A LARGE DIAMETER PIPE; THOUGH MY ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS TO USE THE FAN WITH A HIGH QUALITY AIR FILTER, AND TO FINALLY EXPERIMENT WITH SOME INDOOR AIR FILTRATION TO FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW MUCH DUST THAT I CAN COLLECT FROM THE INDOOR AIR, IN A GIVEN AMOUNT OF TIME. THOUGH ON THE OTHER HAND; I WANT TO DO AN AUDIO FREQUENCY MODULATION EXPERIMENT WITH THE ANEMOMETER; THOUGH I NEED SOME SORT OF FREQUENCY CONVERTER; ELECTRONIC; ELECTROMECHANICAL; OR HIGH CURRENT AND HIGHER VOLTAGE. I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO LOOK FOR AN AUDIO FREQUENCY SPECTRUM CONVERTER, SINCE I HAVE BEEN UNDER SO MUCH ENDLESS HARRASSMENT BY MY NEIGHBORS. Use the tools/things around tulsa to build your goals. YEAH; THOUGH MY TOOLS AND THINGS ARE MOSTLY IN INSUFFICIENT SUPPLY. CLYDE (WONDERING HOW RICH PEOPLE STAY RICH) Bob (getting his mental kung fu on) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051216/56cab265/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Dec 16 22:14:57 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Dec 16 22:15:01 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ADDING TO IT: In-Reply-To: <20051217050350.60790.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 16, 2005 09:03:50 PM Message-ID: <20051217051457.27479.qmail@mall-net.com> > A smart mad scientist uses the tools around him to > build his/her creations in an efficient manner. > > YEAH; EFFICIENCY IS A TOP PRIORITY FOR ME; > BUT MY DETAILED PERFECTIONISM IS ALWAYS > AN ENDLESS OBSTACLE IN MY OWN PATH. But what do you mean by efficiency? Back in the old days of mainframe computers, it was worth sweating the efficiency of the code. Today, efficiency is a matter of the time the human spends, not the machine. Given your resources, I think the term efficiency is better applied to your resources than the efficiency of some proof-of-concept that you are working on. > ANEMOMETER; ALTHOUGH I JUST REMEMBERED > THE OTHER DAY THAT I STILL HAVE A GOOD > OLD INDUSTRIAL FAN THAT I CAN USE, IN > COMBINATION WITH A LARGE DIAMETER PIPE; One has to have a set of turbulence damping narrower passages after the fan to get laminar flow. We looked at this when we were launching rockets. > THOUGH MY ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS TO USE > THE FAN WITH A HIGH QUALITY AIR FILTER, AND > TO FINALLY EXPERIMENT WITH SOME INDOOR > AIR FILTRATION TO FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW > MUCH DUST THAT I CAN COLLECT FROM THE INDOOR > AIR, IN A GIVEN AMOUNT OF TIME. > THOUGH ON THE OTHER HAND; I WANT TO DO AN > AUDIO FREQUENCY MODULATION EXPERIMENT > WITH THE ANEMOMETER; THOUGH I NEED SOME > SORT OF FREQUENCY CONVERTER; ELECTRONIC; > ELECTROMECHANICAL; OR HIGH CURRENT AND > HIGHER VOLTAGE. How about having the anemometer generate the frequency by the movement of teeth on a gear wheel past some sensors. Optical sensors would be nice; but for the proof of concept, you can use a simple electrical contact. > I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO LOOK FOR AN AUDIO > FREQUENCY SPECTRUM CONVERTER, SINCE I > HAVE BEEN UNDER SO MUCH ENDLESS > HARRASSMENT BY MY NEIGHBORS. What are they doing to you? Or is it simply that you believe they are doing, thus set up self-fulfilling prophecies? Your transaction with that neighbor, which you posted some time ago, sounded rather benign compared to what I have seen in other places. Often, the best revenge is to simply ignore them. > CLYDE (WONDERING HOW RICH PEOPLE STAY > RICH) they don't do anything that would spend money. But that reduces their greatness. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 22:35:10 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Dec 16 22:35:23 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE. In-Reply-To: <20051217044903.8583.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051217053510.5174.qmail@web50615.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: And so, I try to live a life worth living, for me, for the people I know, etc. But mostly because I have great faith in humanity and in the future. I might get lucky. I might not get enough neuropathy to end up in pain. But even if I do, humanity must go on. History shows us that the future is better than the past. It is better because each of us tries to make it better, by adding to it, by opposing bad things, by inspiring others, etc. EVEN THOUGH I AM CERTAIN NOW THAT ALL OF MY HARD WORK AT THE ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT PROJECT HAS BEEN STOLEN BY SPYWARE FOLKS; I REALLY DON'T GIVE A DAMN; BECAUSE IT IS PUBLIC DOMAIN MATERIAL ANYWAY; SO WHY CARE? IT'S JUST SO DAMNED NERVE WRACKING THAT I'VE ALWAYS HAD SO MUCH INTERFERENCE FROM ALL OF THE STUPID PEOPLE, THINKING THAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SOMETHING HARMFUL. ALL THAT THE STUPID PEOPLE KNOW, IS OF THE EXISTANCE OF HIGH FREQUENCY SPECTRUM ENERGY - NUCLEAR ENERGY. THEY HAVE ABSOLUTE ZERO COMPREHENSION OF LOW FREQUENCY - NON NUCLEAR - ANTI NUCLEAR - RADIO SCIENCE. ALL THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF, IS OF THE PRIESTHOOD OF THE NUCLEAR RADIO SCIENTISTS; LIKE EINSTEIN; FEYNMAN; KAKU; ETC.... THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHERS OUT THERE, LIKE TESLA; STEINMETZ; ARMSTRONG; DE FOREST; FARNSWORTH; AND OTHERS. Humanity goes on. We are privileged to partake in it. YEAH; BUT EVERYBODY KNOWS, THAT THE WORLD IS FULL OF STUPID PEOPLE..! If you are a gift to society, society will be a gift to you. GOOD..! I HOPE THAT ALL OF MY STOLEN INFORMATION REGARDING E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT IS OF HELP, TO ALL OF SOCIETY..! ALL OF THAT HARD WORK NEEDS TO BE OF BENEFIT TO EVERYONE..! I CAN'T MAKE MONEY AT IT; BUT I DON'T CARE ANYMORE..! CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051216/c483cadc/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Dec 16 22:37:10 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Fri Dec 16 22:37:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Adding to it??? Message-ID: <006001c602cb$ed9e77c0$6401a8c0@mikey> > One has to have a set of turbulence damping narrower passages after > the fan to get laminar flow. We looked at this when we were launching > rockets. However, the true power comes from mastery of the turbulence! Remember- without mastering turbulence the bee could not fly, and we would have no honey. -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Dec 16 22:58:53 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Dec 16 22:59:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE. In-Reply-To: <20051217053510.5174.qmail@web50615.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 16, 2005 09:35:10 PM Message-ID: <20051217055853.81654.qmail@mall-net.com> > And so, I try to live a life worth living, for me, for the people > I know, etc. But mostly because I have great faith in humanity and > in the future. I might get lucky. I might not get enough neuropathy > to end up in pain. But even if I do, humanity must go on. > > History shows us that the future is better than the past. It is > better because each of us tries to make it better, by adding to it, > by opposing bad things, by inspiring others, etc. > > EVEN THOUGH I AM CERTAIN NOW THAT ALL OF MY > HARD WORK AT THE ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE > ENTRAINMENT PROJECT HAS BEEN STOLEN BY SPYWARE > FOLKS; I REALLY DON'T GIVE A DAMN; BECAUSE IT IS > PUBLIC DOMAIN MATERIAL ANYWAY; SO WHY CARE? Exactly. A doctor in New Rochelle, New York gave a talk on this years ago, about how he treated many brain wasting diseases by using this method. > IT'S JUST SO DAMNED NERVE WRACKING THAT I'VE ALWAYS > HAD SO MUCH INTERFERENCE FROM ALL OF THE STUPID > PEOPLE, THINKING THAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON > SOMETHING HARMFUL. Who cares! Ignore them! > ALL THAT THE STUPID PEOPLE KNOW, IS OF THE EXISTANCE > OF HIGH FREQUENCY SPECTRUM ENERGY - NUCLEAR > ENERGY. > THEY HAVE ABSOLUTE ZERO COMPREHENSION OF LOW > FREQUENCY - NON NUCLEAR - ANTI NUCLEAR - RADIO > SCIENCE. So? > ALL THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF, IS OF THE PRIESTHOOD > OF THE NUCLEAR RADIO SCIENTISTS; LIKE EINSTEIN; > FEYNMAN; KAKU; ETC.... Um, just because there is nuclear power does not preclude other forms of power. We do have Hoover Dam, and a huge number of other dams and hydropower sources which produce a significant portion of ou national energy > THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHERS OUT THERE, LIKE > TESLA; STEINMETZ; ARMSTRONG; DE FOREST; FARNSWORTH; > AND OTHERS. Sure they do. Farnsworth just wasn't break even. > Humanity goes on. We are privileged to partake in it. > > YEAH; BUT EVERYBODY KNOWS, THAT THE WORLD IS FULL > OF STUPID PEOPLE..! So What!!! Do you want your garbageman to have to have a PhD to take out you trash? DO you want your bus driver to have a PhD in cartography and mechanical engineering? If they did, they would REVOLT at the mind numbing work!!! Stupid people are useful. Be kind to them, they grow the food you eat, build the homes you live in, the cars you drive, etc. Without stupid people, we smart folks would have to dumb ourselves down in order to do the work we need to survive! > If you are a gift to society, society will be a gift to you. > > GOOD..! > I HOPE THAT ALL OF MY STOLEN INFORMATION REGARDING > E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT IS OF HELP, TO ALL OF > SOCIETY..! > ALL OF THAT HARD WORK NEEDS TO BE OF BENEFIT TO > EVERYONE..! > I CAN'T MAKE MONEY AT IT; BUT I DON'T CARE ANYMORE..! Good, just make it work for yourself. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 06:19:25 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Dec 18 06:21:34 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TWO BOOKS..... Message-ID: <20051218131925.84900.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> WHY THE JESUS SEMINAR CAN'T FIND JESUS, AND GRANDMA MARSHALL COULD (A POPULIST DEFENSE OF THE GOSPELS). http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0970227825/qid=1134909223/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/104-8227065-3083143?s=books&v=glance&n=283155 TOWER OF BABEL: THE EVIDENCE AGAINST THE NEW CREATIONISM. http://www.sciencedaily.com/cgi-bin/apf4/amazon_products_feed.cgi?Operation=ItemLookup&ItemId=0262661659 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051218/85fcdf00/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Dec 18 12:46:01 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 18 12:46:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE. Message-ID: <27c.295d05a.30d71679@aol.com> In a message dated 12/17/2005 12:59:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: So What!!! Do you want your garbageman to have to have a PhD to take out you trash? DO you want your bus driver to have a PhD in cartography and mechanical engineering? Clyde, Around 20 or so years ago, up in Washington State One of the biggest military suppliers laid off thousands of people. These men and woman did have PhDs in the aeronautics field. Middle aged folks who had spent their lives in study, classrooms, experimenting in multi-million dollar labs. Guess what Clyde ?? These people had never lived as the normal person does. Normal people don't get to see their ideas come to life at NASA space center, or travel at someone else's expenses to Europe and Asia to meet with the top world scientists. As you well know, humans hang with others that share their thoughts and dreams. Their lives were spent with the top 10% of the worlds smartest people. Clyde, can you imagine the total shock,bewilderment and despair that came about for them? First there came the realization that they were over qualified to do anything else. They could not even teach college classes as there were teachers already tenured in the schools that had anything to do with their expertise. Until their parent company got on its feet and rehired these people, in order to make ends meet, they had to journey into the world of the common man. Gone was the Yacht Club, the rounds of golf at the Country club. Their homes, cars, boats, all the goodies you get when you get mega bucks for your brain, gone-gone-gone. Their kids had to go GASP to public school, No more keeping a couple horses at the stable for the kids. The month off a year or more to vacation, on the company's payroll ------Gone. Their help, maids, gardeners, ------- ---Gone. They had to tap retirement funds, sell their stocks and bonds. So how did they survive ? A lot of them were divorced, some suicide, and some went to family begging for funds. The ones that had BIG BALLS, went out and drove taxi cabs or went to, of all things vocational school, they became plumbers, electricians, tinker, tailor, bakers men. They were genius, had never done anything like this, but they were brave. I believe it was a good 5 years before they could work again in their chosen field. I met one of these men years ago, he came to see his son at a nuclear training station for the navy. He recouped his losses, to a point. but he told me he had the time of his life while laid off. He received an education he would never had. This man went back to his job when called but a lot didn't. That garbage man who picks up your trash could be one of them. Your bus driver, check him out, could be that homeless man who reads Ulysses is one. You never know Clyde who anyone is. Just because you run into someone who acts different from you does not mean they are stupid. Relax Clyde, Regards Vesta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051218/9ba31c02/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 16:33:49 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Dec 18 16:35:56 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE. In-Reply-To: <27c.295d05a.30d71679@aol.com> Message-ID: <20051218233349.83182.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/17/2005 12:59:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: So What!!! Do you want your garbageman to have to have a PhD to take out you trash? DO you want your bus driver to have a PhD in cartography and mechanical engineering? Clyde, Around 20 or so years ago, up in Washington State One of the biggest military suppliers laid off thousands of people. These men and woman did have PhDs in the aeronautics field. Middle aged folks who had spent their lives in study, classrooms, experimenting in multi-million dollar labs. Guess what Clyde ?? These people had never lived as the normal person does. Normal people don't get to see their ideas come to life at NASA space center, or travel at someone else's expenses to Europe and Asia to meet with the top world scientists. YEAH; NORMAL PEOPLE FOR THE MOST PART HAVE JUST BECOME BORING. As you well know, humans hang with others that share their thoughts and dreams. Their lives were spent with the top 10% of the worlds smartest people. IN A WAY, I WISH I WASN'T SO MUCH OF THE LONER TYPE OF PERSON, LIKE TESLA WAS. Clyde, can you imagine the total shock, bewilderment and despair that came about for them? I CAN'T IMAGINE IT; BUT THE SHELL SHOCK, THE CONFUSION, AND THE DESPAIR THAT I HAVE IN MY LIFE IS VERY OVERWHELMING..! First there came the realization that they were over qualified to do anything else. They could not even teach college classes as there were teachers already tenured in the schools that had anything to do with their expertise. Until their parent company got on its feet and rehired these people, in order to make ends meet, they had to journey into the world of the common man. Gone was the Yacht Club, the rounds of golf at the Country club. Their homes, cars, boats, all the goodies you get when you get mega bucks for your brain, gone-gone-gone. Their kids had to go GASP to public school, No more keeping a couple horses at the stable for the kids. The month off a year or more to vacation, on the company's payroll ------Gone. Their help, maids, gardeners, ------- MAN; WITH ALL OF THE ENDLESS COMMERCIALISM; IT MAKES ME TO WHERE I ALMOST NO LONGER WANT TO LIVE IN THIS OVERWHELMING SOCIETY, IN TULSA OKLAHOMA ANTMORE. BUT THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM DOESN'T TEACH FINANCIAL, REAL ESTATE, AND TAX MINIMALISM INDEPENDENCE ANYMORE, IF IT EVEN EVER DID IN THE VERY FIRST PLACE. THE PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM TEACHES INTERDEPENDENCE; AND INTERDEPENDENCE IS NOT THE EXACT SAME AS INDEPENDENCE. INTERDEPENDENCE TO ME, FOR THE LARGE PART, IS ANTI- -INDEPENDENCE. ---Gone. They had to tap retirement funds, sell their stocks and bonds. YEAH; RETIREMENT FUNDS; STOCKS AND BONDS; AND ALL OF THE OTHER FINANCIAL SO-CALLED INVESTMENTS MAKE ABSOLUTELY ZERO SENSE TO ME. THEY DO NOT MAKE PEOPLE RICH. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY OF THOSE FINANCIAL TOPICS MAKE ANYONE ANY MONEY AT ALL; EVER..! So how did they survive ? A lot of them were divorced, some suicide, and some went to family begging for funds. I'M HEADED FOR SUICIDE; IF TULSA OKLAHOMA DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER; AND THE SAME APPLIES TO THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY AS WELL..! I AM PRAYING FERVENTLY NOW, FOR A BETTER FUTURE FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US; HERE IN AMERICA. THE FUTURE FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, LOOKS SO ENDLESSLY DREARY, BECAUSE VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE VERY FEW SOLUTIONS, TO WORK HARD, TO CLEAN UP AND TRANSFORM THIS INDUSTRIALIZED SLUM TOWN. I'VE DONE MY PART, WITH ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT; YET I ALMOST STILL FEEL LIKE MY BEST IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. The ones that had BIG BALLS, went out and drove taxi cabs or went to, of all things vocational school, they became plumbers, electricians, tinker, tailor, bakers men. They were geniuses, and had never done anything like this, but they were brave. I'VE TAKEN SOME VERY BRAVE STEPS, HERE IN TULSA; I HOPE IT HAS DONE GOOD, INSTEAD OF HARM..! I WANT TO SEE AND TO LIVE IN A BETTER FUTURE FOR EVERYONE; FOR NOT ONLY IN / FOR TULSA OKLAHOMA; BUT ALSO FOR THE REST OF THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES..! I believe it was a good 5 years before they could work again in their chosen field. I met one of these men years ago, he came to see his son at a nuclear training station for the navy. He recouped his losses, to a point. but he told me he had the time of his life while laid off. He received an education he would never had. This man went back to his job when called but a lot didn't. That garbage man who picks up your trash could be one of them. Your bus driver, check him out, could be that homeless man who reads Ulysses is one. You never know Clyde who anyone is. YOU'RE RIGHT! ; THOUGH PROBLEM FOR ME IS THAT I HAVE BECOME SO SOCIALLY PHOBIC, THAT I DON'T TALK TO VERY MANY PEOPLE ANYMORE, BOTH OUT ON THE STREETS AND ELSEWHERE. Just because you run into someone who acts different from you does not mean they are stupid. Relax Clyde, Regards Vesta IT IS SO ABSOLUTELY VERY DIFFICULT TO RELAX, WHEN HARD WORK DOES NOT PAY; ESPECIALLY HERE IN TULSA OKLAHOMA: ALWAYS WORKING HARDER AND GOING NOWHERE, TO VERY LITTLE, IN ANY FORWARD PROGRESS. WHICH IS ALSO APPLICABLE TO WORKING SMARTER, HERE IN TULSA AS WELL; AS FAR AS TULSA TIME IS CONCERNED..! SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE INTERFERED IN MY LIFE, AND MY BRAIN IS BOTH IN AND BEYOND OVERLOAD MODE - - SIMULTANEOUSLY, AND I HAVE NO NATURAL WAY TO SLOW IT DOWN AT WILL, SINCE ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT IS NOT SAFE FOR ME TO TRY AS OF YET, SINCE I CANNOT AFFORD AN ELECTROMECHANICAL ON/OFF CONTROL TIMER, TO KEEP THE EXPERIMENTAL OPERATIONS AS SAFE AS CAN BE FOR MYSELF. LATER; CLYDE _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051218/54af9a08/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 16:50:11 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Dec 18 16:52:17 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] OVERDOSE OF OXYGEN AND MORPHINE FOR THE HOLIDAYS..! In-Reply-To: <20051217034811.19817.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051218235011.57986.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> I NEED BOTH AN OVERDOSE OF OXYGEN, AND AN OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE FOR THE HOLIDAYS..! CLYDE __________________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051218/77ace9a7/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 16:53:28 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Dec 18 16:55:32 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MY OVERALL HEALTH. Message-ID: <20051218235328.81590.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> I HAVE A FEELING THAT MY OVERALL HEALTH IS PERMANENTLY RUINED. I MAY NEVER GET MY YOUTHFUL HEALTH BACK AGAIN, LIKE I SO DESPERATELY NEED. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051218/f566e46e/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Dec 19 02:13:01 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Dec 19 02:13:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MY OVERALL HEALTH. In-Reply-To: <20051218235328.81590.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 18, 2005 03:53:28 PM Message-ID: <20051219091301.73567.qmail@mall-net.com> > I HAVE A FEELING THAT MY OVERALL HEALTH IS > PERMANENTLY RUINED. > I MAY NEVER GET MY YOUTHFUL HEALTH BACK > AGAIN, LIKE I SO DESPERATELY NEED. Life is a roaring tobogan ride down the side of a mountain. Look at what is ahead. You don't have time to look at what is behind you. Yes, health could be better. Try to make it better. But don't lament what is past; look at how you can make the future better. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 23:22:19 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Dec 20 23:22:28 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ANGRILY AND FERVENTLY PRAYING FOR A GOOD FUTURE..... Message-ID: <20051221062219.42911.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> ANGRILY AND FERVENTLY PRAYING FOR A GOOD FUTURE FOR THIS SUPER DIVIDED COUNTRY: ALEX GRAY'S PRAYING ARTWORK: http://www.chronogram.com/issue/1999/11/ AN EXACTLY PERFECT DEPICTION OF HOW ANGRY I AM, WHEN I USUALLY PRAY. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051220/ccf4583e/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 23:40:25 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Dec 20 23:40:30 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] HOLY IS SUPPOSED TO BE SPELLED: WHOLLY..! Message-ID: <20051221064025.112.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> HOLY IS SUPPOSED TO BE SPELLED: WHOLLY..! HOLY IS SUPPOSED TO BE SPELLED: WHOLLY; AND NOT SPELLED AS: HOLY. THE TRUE LINGUISTIC SPELLING OF THE WORD HOLY, IS SUPPOSED TO BE SPELLED: WHOLLY. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051220/6f21cf7d/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Dec 21 00:18:33 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 00:18:53 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ANGRILY AND FERVENTLY PRAYING FOR A GOOD In-Reply-To: <20051221062219.42911.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 20, 2005 10:22:19 PM Message-ID: <20051221071833.48142.qmail@mall-net.com> > ANGRILY AND FERVENTLY PRAYING FOR A GOOD FUTURE > FOR THIS SUPER DIVIDED COUNTRY: > > ALEX GRAY'S PRAYING ARTWORK: > > http://www.chronogram.com/issue/1999/11/ > > AN EXACTLY PERFECT DEPICTION OF HOW ANGRY > I AM, WHEN I USUALLY PRAY. Very interesting. The picture does not look angry to me. The face is calm. It seems more the depiction of spiritual warmth and self awareness. Why do you think it depicts anger? Sepqarate your sense of physical anger from your inner sense of thought, motivation, etc. Your body is producing a lot of adrenaline. That is why you feel angry. Your mind looks for justifications for that feeling. (And often does so badly, with hokey reasons.) Once you learn to separate the physical from the spiritual, you will not think of yourself as angry when only your body is aroused. With that, you can develop some inner sense of serenity while you seek means of reducing your adrenaline production. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Dec 21 00:56:40 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 00:56:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Whale Beachings Message-ID: <20051221075640.78972.qmail@mall-net.com> Whales beached in New Zealand. http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyID=2005-12-21T061231Z_01_KWA110450_RTRUKOC_0_US-ENVIRONMENT-NEWZEALAND.xml Why do they do this en-mass? Could it be their messias say that if they die on the beach, in their next incarnation they will become human, a step on their path to heaven? Why should we be the only ones with false prophets? Spread some of this madness around. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 06:04:20 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Dec 21 06:04:32 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ANGRILY AND FERVENTLY PRAYING FOR A GOOD In-Reply-To: <20051221071833.48142.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051221130420.72333.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > ANGRILY AND FERVENTLY PRAYING FOR A GOOD FUTURE > FOR THIS SUPER DIVIDED COUNTRY: > > ALEX GRAY'S PRAYING ARTWORK: > > http://www.chronogram.com/issue/1999/11/ > > AN EXACTLY PERFECT DEPICTION OF HOW ANGRY > I AM, WHEN I USUALLY PRAY. Very interesting. The picture does not look angry to me. The face is calm. ALL OF THE RED, TO ME, REPRESENTS FIRE ANGRY / ANGRY FIRE HOT..! THE FACE IS CALM, BUT THE REPRESESSED EMOTION IS RED HOT, AND IN MY CASE; NUCLEAR WHITE HOT ANGER, FROM WITHIN; BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL JUST NOT LEAVE ME ALONE..! EVEN THOUGH I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY. ALL OF MY INTERESTS ARE IN TESLA'S RADIO FREQEUNCIES / TECHNOLOGIES, AND NOT IN EINSTEIN'S NUCLEAR ONE'S..! SEEMS AS THOUGH I'VE BECOME A RELUCTANT MESSENGER, WHEN ALL THAT I HAVE WANTED TO DO IS TO ACHIEVE MY PEACEFUL PERFECT DESTINY IN LIFE: LITTLE METAL POWERHOUSE..! BUT TULSA IS JUST SO OVERZONED; OVERTAXXXED; OVERDRUGGED; AND OVERDOSED: ALL: WITHOUT REPRESENTATION..! It seems more the depiction of spiritual warmth and self awareness. Why do you think it depicts anger? TO ME IT IS BOTH RED HOT JUST UNDER THE SKIN, AND RED HOT INTERNALLY: NUCLEAR EXPLOSIVE INTERNALLY: LIKE THE HULK; (IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE THEATRICAL RELEASE OF THAT MOVIE?) AS FAR AS ONLY MY INTERNAL ANGER IS CONCERNED - BECAUSE I WANT PEACE-SERENITY TO PREVAIL SO BADLY IN MY LIFE, AND I AM JUST SO PERFECTIONISTIC, AND I AM JUST NOT GETTING THE PEACE AND SERENITY THAT I SO DESPERATELY NEED IN MY LIFE..! I AM BEING DENIED SERENITY..! Separate your sense of physical anger from your inner sense of thought, motivation, etc. THAT IS A LITTLE EASIER SAID THAN DONE AT TIMES. Your body is producing a lot of adrenaline. YES; WAY WAY OVER FAR TOO MUCH..! That is why you feel angry. YES..! Your mind looks for justifications for that feeling. (And often does so badly, with hokey reasons.) IT IS BOTH SAD AND MAD, THAT I HAVE HAD TO PLAY THE DEVILS ADVOCATE, DUE TO SO..! SO..! SO..! MUCH CONSTANT INTERFERENCE IN MY LIFE, TO GET TO A GREATER GOOD FOR EVERYONE, IN MY STUDY OF ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT; NELUMBO NUCIFERA LOTUS; CHIROPRACTICE INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY; AND IN MY PROFESSIONAL G.P.S. SYNCHRONOUS TALKING CLOCK PROJECT. I DON'T WANT ANY OF MY STUDY TO GET INTO THE HANDS OF (THE) WRONG PEOPLE..! THE GOVERNMENT IS SPYING ON ME NOW; AND THEY HAVE BEEN FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW; IT IS OK THOUGH; I AM AWARE OF IT; BUT THE PREVAILANCE OF PEACE IS MY ABSOLUTE WILL..! I JUST WANT TO DO MY PART, FOR THE POSITIVE FURTHERANCE- -PROGRESSION OF BOTH THE MORAL, AND THE MORALE REVIVAL OF AMERICA, AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN SO DRASTICALLY TORN DOWN..! Once you learn to separate the physical from the spiritual, you will not think of yourself as angry when only your body is aroused. WELL; AROUSED IS A WORD THAT I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY USE. JUST SO MAN DAMNED AND GOD DAMNED FRUSTRATED AS ALL HELL AND DAMNATION ITSELF..! I WANT THE SCIENCES THAT I HAVE STUDIED, TO BE OF BENEFIT TO EVERYONE IN AMERICA: WITH EQUALITY: ABSOLUTLEY ZERO EXCEPTIONS..! With that, you can develop some inner sense of serenity while you seek means of reducing your adrenaline production. THE ONLY PLACE THAT I CAN GO TO, TO FIND SERENITY, IS A PLACE CALLED REDBUD VALLEY, IN EASTERN TULSA..! IT IS A PLACE WHERE I AM STILL ABLE TO BREATHE NATURALLY, ON MY OWN. THOUGH THE LAST TIME THAT I WENT OUT THERE; THE ENTIRE MILITARY WAS UP IN A F'ING UPHEAVAL; AND THE POLICE HELICOPTER FLEW DIRECTLY OVER ME AS I WAS LEAVING; THEY THINK THAT I AM UP TO NO GOOD; BUT I HAVE MEANING TO WHAT I AM DOING; AND IT IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE; IT'S JUST THAT I AM NOT A GOOD SOCIAL COMMUNICATOR ANYMORE; IF I EVEN EVER WAS IN THE VERY FIRST PLACE..! THE DIVORCE OF BOTH MY MOTHER AND MY FATHER, BURIED MY INNOCENCE; AND LITTLE METAL POWERHOUSE DIED WITH THEIR DIVORCE..! THIS ATMOSPHERE, WHERE I AM FORCED TO HAVE TO RESIDE, IS A NEVERENDING NEGATIVE ENERGY PRISON. MY ENTIRE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM IS ALL FUCKED UP NOW; DUE TO ALL OF THE SHIT THAT I HAVE BEEN THROUGH IN MY LIFE; FROM ALL OF THE MUSIC THAT I HAVE LISTENED TO IN MY LIFE; AND FROM ALL OF THE OVERDOSE OF ALL OF THE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS THAT I HAVE BEEN GIVEN IN MY LIFE..! I AM ABSOLUTELY SHELL SHOCKED BY REALITY; AND WISH THAT I COULD JUST BE GIVEN AN OVERDOSE OF SLEEPING GAS FOR ALL OF MY HARD WORK. I AM ONLY A RELUCTANT MESSENGER; AND THAT IS IT. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO WILL AND HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO BUILD NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY..! ALL I KNOW, IS THE LOWER PORTION OF THE ELECTROMAGNETIC SPECTRUM; FROM LIGHT FREQUENCIES, ON DOWN..! I KNOW OF NU-CLEE-ER ENERGY FREQUENCIES; WITH LIGHT BEING THE DIVISION POINT/S BETWEEN UPPER AND LOWER, BUT I DO NOT KNOW THE TECHNOLOGY / TECHNOLOGIES OF NUCLEAR ENERGY..! I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY WILL WHATSOEVER, AT BUILDING NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY; ONLY RADIO FREQUENCY TECHNOLOGIES WITHIN THE LOWER PORTION OF THE E.M. SPECTRUM..! BUT I HAVE NOW REALIZED THE GOVERNMENT PARANOIA INVOLVED; WHICH IS RELATIONAL TO TESLA; BUT IN DISCLOSING THAT KNOWLEDGE OVER THE INTERNET; I WILL REFRAIN FROM DOING SO; BECAUSE IT IS DANGEROUS IN THE HANDS OF THE WRONG PEOPLE..! I HOPE THAT THIS E-MAIL CLEARS UP ALL OF THE CONFUSION PEOPLE...! CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051221/1c62c7ac/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 06:15:43 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Dec 21 06:15:53 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Whale Beachings In-Reply-To: <20051221075640.78972.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051221131543.1180.qmail@web50615.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: Whales beached in New Zealand. http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyID=2005-12-21T061231Z_01_KWA110450_RTRUKOC_0_US-ENVIRONMENT-NEWZEALAND.xml Why do they do this en-mass? Could it be their messias say that if they die on the beach, in their next incarnation they will become human, a step on their path to heaven? HORSESHIT..! THEY ARE DYING EN-MASS BECAUSE OF E.L.F. AND U.L.F. NAVY UNDERWATER AUDIO-RADIO COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGIES..! Why should we be the only ones with false prophets? HORSESHIT..! Spread some of this madness around. I'M ONLY GOING TO LEAVE THIS MADNESS ON THE MAD-SCI LIST ONLY..! CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051221/c212ae19/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 06:19:43 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Dec 21 06:19:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: HELP ME OUT OF HERE. In-Reply-To: <20051221065340.7501.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051221131943.82374.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> clyde lofton < clydelofton@yahoo.com > wrote: TO WHOM IT CONCERNS: I NEED AN ANGEL OF ABSOLUTE PERFECT WHITE GHOST LIGHT, TO HELP ME OUT OF THIS NEVERENDING HELLHOLE, OF TULSA OKLAHOMA. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051221/4285ab9f/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 06:43:02 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Dec 21 06:43:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] 2525..! Message-ID: <20051221134302.40760.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> I BELONG IN THE YEAR 2525, AND BEYOND; NOT IN THIS YEAR OF 2005..! I AM ABSOLUTELY SICK OF THIS DECADE AND CENTURY..! CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051221/e9bd1237/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 07:01:44 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Dec 21 07:01:49 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] BAD KARMA; THE KUNDALINI ENERGY; AND SAMADHI. Message-ID: <20051221140144.44851.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> THIS ISN'T A TOPIC NECESSARILY RELATED TO SCIENCE; BUT DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO PEACEFULLY TRANSCEND THE KRAP OF THE KUNDALINI..? CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051221/41d5ad22/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 07:17:25 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Dec 21 07:17:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MY OVERALL HEALTH. In-Reply-To: <20051219091301.73567.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051221141725.39073.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > I HAVE A FEELING THAT MY OVERALL HEALTH IS > PERMANENTLY RUINED. > I MAY NEVER GET MY YOUTHFUL HEALTH BACK > AGAIN, LIKE I SO DESPERATELY NEED. Life is a roaring tobogan ride down the side of a mountain. YEAH WELL; I WANT TO BE ENSURED THAT I WILL SUCCEED IN REACHING SUCCESS..! Look at what is ahead. You don't have time to look at what is behind you. LIKE PEACE OF MIND, BY BOSTON: LOOK AHEAD. AND IN THEIR OTHER SONG: DON'T LOOK BACK. THOUGH IN RELATION TO BOSTON; COLORFUL COLORADO IS MY TYPE OF PLACE TO LIVE; NOT IN BOSTON. PHILLYDELPHIA (IF I GOT THE SPELLING CORRECT) WAS VERY COOL PLACE TO VISIT, ON VACATION WITH MY PARENTS, BACK IN THE 90'S; THOUGH I STILL LIKE THE MOUNTAINS THE BEST OF ALL_ THOUGH ONLY DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, AND NOT IN THE WINTER MONTHS. Yes, health could be better. Try to make it better. I NEED A PORTABLE PERSONAL RESPIRATOR 'SYSTEM' / MASK, WITH MAXIMUM AIR FILTRATION, TO START CARRYING AROUND WITH ME, AND USING, EVERYWHERE I GO, I GUESS. TOO BAD FOR MYSELF THOUGH, THAT MONEY (OR YES; AS I PREFER TO CALL IT: ANTIMONEY) PREVENTS ME FROM GETTING MY OWN HALF MASK, FROM HOME DEPOT. But don't lament what is past; look at how you can make the future better. I'D LIKE TO NUKE BOMB THE PAST..! BUT I DO NOT HAVE NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY KNOWLEDGE; AND NUKING THE PAST IS UNREALISTIC, BECAUSE IT IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE TO DO; EXCEPT TO DO SO: METAPHYSICALLY..! CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051221/f0bcebdd/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Dec 21 09:55:47 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 09:55:51 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MY OVERALL HEALTH. In-Reply-To: <20051221141725.39073.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 21, 2005 06:17:25 AM Message-ID: <20051221165547.88469.qmail@mall-net.com> > > I HAVE A FEELING THAT MY OVERALL HEALTH IS > > PERMANENTLY RUINED. > > I MAY NEVER GET MY YOUTHFUL HEALTH BACK > > AGAIN, LIKE I SO DESPERATELY NEED. > > Life is a roaring tobogan ride down the side of a mountain. > > YEAH WELL; I WANT TO BE ENSURED THAT I WILL > SUCCEED IN REACHING SUCCESS..! But what is success? Could it be that you are close to achievable success than you think? > Look at what is ahead. You don't have time to look at what is > behind you. > > LIKE PEACE OF MIND, BY BOSTON: LOOK AHEAD. > AND IN THEIR OTHER SONG: DON'T LOOK BACK. > THOUGH IN RELATION TO BOSTON; COLORFUL You keep referencing songs and rock artists. Are you using them ot think for you? Not a good idea. Most rock music and especially the newer rap music has themes which are anti-success, anti-effective, anti-cultural. Not good messages! > COLORADO IS MY TYPE OF PLACE TO LIVE; > NOT IN BOSTON. There are pluses and minuses to both sides. I am in the mountains, living in a place which takes too much time to live in, leaving not enough time to work in. > I NEED A PORTABLE PERSONAL RESPIRATOR 'SYSTEM' / > MASK, WITH MAXIMUM AIR FILTRATION, TO START CARRYING > AROUND WITH ME, AND USING, EVERYWHERE I GO, I GUESS. > TOO BAD FOR MYSELF THOUGH, THAT MONEY (OR YES; AS I > PREFER TO CALL IT: ANTIMONEY) PREVENTS ME FROM GETTING > MY OWN HALF MASK, FROM HOME DEPOT. $50. Home depot 3m 7502 half mask. Get a pack of HEPA filters (purple pancakes) as well. You need to wash it every night. the HEPAs will help with dust and pollen problems. the activated charcoal is expensive, but may help with some auto exhaust problems, not all. Does not do much with nitrous oxides, etc. > But don't lament what is past; look at how you can make the future better. > > I'D LIKE TO NUKE BOMB THE PAST..! You don't need to. > NOT POSSIBLE TO DO; EXCEPT TO DO SO: METAPHYSICALLY..! Metaphysically... Ditch the songs, (listen to some good slow classical stuff? Satie, Debussy, Vivaldi...) Think for yourself, and look at how you can change what you are doing so as to make the future better. Action, not the harder personal change, is a good beginning. Plan a few days in advance. Ask yourself in the morning, what you can do to make the day and the next day better. It's a decent start. Life goes on. As I said before, the stories I heard at Alcoholics Anonymous and the tapes I was involved building a database for, are incredible. Guys who destroyed their future and reputation by drinking, once they quit drinking were able to rebuild themselves and their future. If they can do that from the wreckage they caused, you have an even better chance of building a decent future. So relax, stop listening to pessimistic rock and rapp music idiots, and look to the future. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Dec 21 09:58:24 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 09:58:28 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I AM NEARLY BRAINDEAD RIGHT NOW. In-Reply-To: <20051221145937.73465.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 21, 2005 06:59:37 AM Message-ID: <20051221165824.90519.qmail@mall-net.com> > I AM NEARLY BRAINDEAD RIGHT NOW. So go take a nap. that's what I always do. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Dec 21 10:00:10 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 10:00:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] BAD KARMA; THE KUNDALINI ENERGY; AND SAMADHI. In-Reply-To: <20051221140144.44851.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 21, 2005 06:01:44 AM Message-ID: <20051221170010.91964.qmail@mall-net.com> > THIS ISN'T A TOPIC NECESSARILY RELATED > TO SCIENCE; BUT DOES ANYONE KNOW > HOW TO PEACEFULLY TRANSCEND THE > KRAP OF THE KUNDALINI..? In your tate, I'd stay away from Kundalini Yoga. if not taught by a real master, it can cause one problems. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Dec 21 10:05:44 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 10:05:46 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: HELP ME OUT OF HERE. In-Reply-To: <20051221131943.82374.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 21, 2005 05:19:43 AM Message-ID: <20051221170544.97954.qmail@mall-net.com> > I NEED AN ANGEL OF ABSOLUTE PERFECT > WHITE GHOST LIGHT, TO HELP ME OUT OF > THIS NEVERENDING HELLHOLE, OF TULSA > OKLAHOMA. Don't look for perfection, Clyde. You'd be able to walk to Colorado faster! If you smile at people, they smile back. Think about that. It's an important philosophical point built-in to our firmware. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From creolescience at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 10:14:46 2005 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Wed Dec 21 10:14:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Kundalini problems Message-ID: <20051221171446.47191.qmail@web36111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> " THIS ISN'T A TOPIC NECESSARILY RELATED TO SCIENCE; BUT DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO PEACEFULLY TRANSCEND THE KRAP OF THE KUNDALINI..?" Check into the writings of Mantak Chia and Taoist yoga - what you are experiencing is the concentration at the top of the skull which creates pressure and can also cause hallucinations, dellusions and sleeplessness. http://www.universal-tao.com/ Taoist yoga focusses on the circulation throughout the body instead of the top of the head. http://www.realization.org/page/doc0/doc0056.htm http://www.appliedmeditation.org/Heart_Rhythm_Practice/kundalini_problems.shtml http://easternhealingarts.com/Articles/fixkundali.html I hope some of this helps Jeff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051221/31ea7e61/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Dec 21 10:22:50 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 10:22:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ANGRILY AND FERVENTLY PRAYING FOR A GOOD In-Reply-To: <20051221130420.72333.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 21, 2005 05:04:20 AM Message-ID: <20051221172250.17217.qmail@mall-net.com> > Separate your sense of physical anger from your inner sense of > thought, motivation, etc. > > THAT IS A LITTLE EASIER SAID THAN DONE AT TIMES. (Laughing) Yes it is! But you have to TRY!!! That is the difference between an angry dangerous person, and a decent person. > Your body is producing a lot of adrenaline. > > YES; WAY WAY OVER FAR TOO MUCH..! > > That is why you feel angry. > > YES..! > > Your mind looks for justifications for that feeling. (And often does so > badly, with hokey reasons.) > > IT IS BOTH SAD AND MAD, THAT I HAVE HAD TO PLAY THE > DEVILS ADVOCATE, DUE TO SO..! SO..! SO..! MUCH CONSTANT > INTERFERENCE IN MY LIFE, TO GET TO A GREATER GOOD > FOR EVERYONE, IN MY STUDY OF ELECTROMAGNETIC > BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT; NELUMBO NUCIFERA LOTUS; > CHIROPRACTICE INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE > TECHNOLOGY; AND IN MY PROFESSIONAL G.P.S. > SYNCHRONOUS TALKING CLOCK PROJECT. So what! Laugh at it. Try to laugh, Clyde, try to laugh. Laugher provides good cardiopulminary excercise and a release of tension. Even if you have to fake a little of it, you will benefit from it. (ANd probably laugh without stopping for some time as the tension drains out.) > I DON'T WANT ANY OF MY STUDY TO GET INTO THE HANDS OF > (THE) WRONG PEOPLE..! Who cares! It's out here already, and if they play with it, it might change them for the better. > THE GOVERNMENT IS SPYING ON ME NOW; AND THEY HAVE > BEEN FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW; WHo cares! > IT IS OK THOUGH; I AM AWARE OF IT; BUT THE PREVAILANCE > OF PEACE IS MY ABSOLUTE WILL..! > I JUST WANT TO DO MY PART, FOR THE POSITIVE FURTHERANCE- > -PROGRESSION OF BOTH THE MORAL, AND THE MORALE REVIVAL > OF AMERICA, AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN SO DRASTICALLY TORN > DOWN..! You are not a preacher. (I am, and have a card to prove it; but that's besides the point.) All you can do is improve your own self. And you know, that's a pretty good start. > Once you learn to separate the physical from the spiritual, you > will not think of yourself as angry when only your body is aroused. > > WELL; AROUSED IS A WORD THAT I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY > USE. > JUST SO MAN DAMNED AND GOD DAMNED FRUSTRATED AS > ALL HELL AND DAMNATION ITSELF..! > I WANT THE SCIENCES THAT I HAVE STUDIED, TO BE OF BENEFIT > TO EVERYONE IN AMERICA: WITH EQUALITY: ABSOLUTLEY > ZERO EXCEPTIONS..! What's that saying, first get the mote out of your own eye before you try to get the mote out of someone else's eye. > With that, you can develop some inner sense of serenity while you > seek means of reducing your adrenaline production. > > THE ONLY PLACE THAT I CAN GO TO, TO FIND SERENITY, IS A > PLACE CALLED REDBUD VALLEY, IN EASTERN TULSA..! > IT IS A PLACE WHERE I AM STILL ABLE TO BREATHE NATURALLY, > ON MY OWN. The only place you can find serenity, is in your own head. For if you can't find it there, you never will. That's where you need to start. (Though you may have some allergy problems that are driving adrenaline. Do look at the physiological; but start with the spiritual.) One of the excercises I was taught was to look at a candle flame in a dim room for ten minutes. Can you do that? > THOUGH THE LAST TIME THAT I WENT OUT THERE; THE ENTIRE > MILITARY WAS UP IN A F'ING UPHEAVAL; AND THE POLICE > HELICOPTER FLEW DIRECTLY OVER ME AS I WAS LEAVING; > THEY THINK THAT I AM UP TO NO GOOD; BUT I HAVE MEANING Highly unlikely they had any specific interest in you, Clyde. It may have been an excercise you stumbled upon. Happened to my father and myelf once at a state park. We got rounded up by the national guard, asked a bunch of questions, etc. then politely escorted from the area. No big deal. > I HOPE THAT THIS E-MAIL CLEARS UP ALL OF THE CONFUSION > PEOPLE...! They are not interested in you, Clyde. Even if they were looking directly at you, they would not be interested in you as a person, just you as a possible something that you are not. So if you relax, they will see you are not what they are interested in. Let go, Clyde, let go. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Dec 21 11:39:42 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 11:39:56 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Davie Jones Locker Message-ID: <15b.5e38d6b4.30dafb6e@aol.com> In a message dated 12/21/2005 2:57:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: Why do they do this en-mass? Could it be their Messiah say that if they die on the beach, in their next incarnation they will become human, a step on their path to heaven? Why should we be the only ones with false prophets? Spread some of this madness around. I would like to know if these beaching's have been reported before the year 1890. If so, that would let out or at least move Sonar down the list as possible reasons for these mammals to try to swim though or onto land. A thought, you know what happens to your skin when you get a dose of poison ivy. Could it be that these animals know when Portuguese Man Of War are in the area and they are trying to escape them? I have seen humans run from bees and jump into the water to escape, could these mammals be running from the water onto land to escape (SOMETHING)? Pollen is a big problem for land animals and humans. There could be something in the air over the water that makes breathing difficult for these beasts, or could the very movement or lack of surface movement cause them to need air? Do we have any reports of beaching's in far northern waters? Would warm temperatures have any baring ? We now know there are millions of little volcano's in our ocean, could one, as it mumbles and grumbles, be sending out tiny little sound waves on a frequency that they detect? The Prophet Davie Jones, servant of ( Poseidon God of the Sea.) Wouldn't put anything past that Dude. Word going around the Poop Deck is old Davie is a sly one. It has been 60 years or so since Davie was in his glory with all the souls sent to his locker from WW2. Question is, do all mammals have souls? Well, my dogs know right from wrong, when taught. Humans know right from wrong when taught from the society and age they live in. These aquatic mammals live in family groups and are taught from birth right from wrong, what to eat, how deep to dive, what to beware of. HMMMMMM, perhaps Davie with a lack of human souls has to take what he can. Now, how do we know Davie is a false prophet ? There is reincarnation, a belief held by a billion or so people. How is one to know that species reincarnate within their own species ? Millions of Hindi believe they can come back as a rat. If for argument sake, mammals have souls, could not a good and deserving mammal come back as a human ? I know humans that could have been dogs in a former life. Loyal, the kind of person who almost wags their tail when they see you. Then people who were sloths, at the age of 40 they still live with their parents and have never held a job. Weasels, prisons are over flowing with them. Badgers, these folk ,are so quick to take offence at any little thing, we call them crazy people. Wolves, people who are dedicated to their family. You see these guys who want to be totally independent, they hunt for food, have huge gardens and love to hang out with like souls. So why can't the ocean dwelling mammals come back also. The people who have a fascination with the ocean. Men and woman who rejoice in running with the sea? We will never live so long as to have even one of these questions answered, _!#@$^%_ (mailto:!#@$^) *& Regards, Vesta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051221/6aca1b19/attachment-0001.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Dec 21 12:10:32 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 12:10:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Davie Jones Locker In-Reply-To: <15b.5e38d6b4.30dafb6e@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Dec 21, 2005 01:39:42 PM Message-ID: <20051221191032.20430.qmail@mall-net.com> > I would like to know if these beaching's have been reported before the year > 1890. If so, that would let out or at least move Sonar down the list as > possible reasons for these mammals to try to swim though or onto land. 1890, huh? Geez we must have had rather good secrecy in those days for us not to learn about it till WW-II or there abouts. (Probably meant 9080's.) > A thought, you know what happens to your skin when you get a dose of poison > ivy. Could it be that these animals know when Portuguese Man Of War are in the > area and they are trying to escape them? That's an interesting idea! Many of these are persistent in beaching; but they are heard animals, and want to stay with their pod. > Pollen is a big problem for land animals and humans. There could be > something in the air over the water that makes breathing difficult for these beasts, > or could the very movement or lack of surface movement cause them to need > air? I have often thought that sea water is a major source of pollution due to some of the plankton and the like living in it. There are times when my joints ache and I feel rather bad when the air is from the sea, even if, especially if I am next to the water. Other times the air is really clean and everything great. Takes several days to go from one to the other. I suspect it depends on what's in the water. > We now know there are millions of little volcano's in our ocean, could one, > as it mumbles and grumbles, be sending out tiny little sound waves on a > frequency that they detect? There are also persistent noises, "ringing of the earth" that have been traced to the action of waves on the shores of the world. Earth creaks. You would too if you were 4.5 billion years old. > The Prophet Davie Jones, servant of ( Poseidon God of the Sea.) Wouldn't > put anything past that Dude. Word going around the Poop Deck is old Davie is > a sly one. It has been 60 years or so since Davie was in his glory with all > the souls sent to his locker from WW2. (Chuckle) > Question is, do all mammals have souls? Well, my dogs know right from > wrong, when taught. Humans know right from wrong when taught from the society > and age they live in. I think so. I think there is a persistent back-channel in the EM spectrum that we all radiate, enough for a soul to echo in, perhaps long enough to climb in or influence a newly formed mind of similar attributes. The Buddhists call this reincarnation. If this is true, then I think it would apply to all organic mind forms of some complexity. > These aquatic mammals live in family groups and are taught from birth right > from wrong, what to eat, how deep to dive, what to beware of. HMMMMMM, > perhaps Davie with a lack of human souls has to take what he can. > > Now, how do we know Davie is a false prophet ? There is reincarnation, a > belief held by a billion or so people. How is one to know that species > reincarnate within their own species ? One would think that, if resonance is the key, the resonance would be stronger for the same species. But... who knows what a more adventurous soul might be able to pull off. > Millions of Hindi believe they can come back as a rat. If for argument sake, > mammals have souls, could not a good and deserving mammal come back as a > human ? See above. > I know humans that could have been dogs in a former life. Loyal, the kind of > person who almost wags their tail when they see you. Then people who were > sloths, at the age of 40 they still live with their parents and have never held > a job. Weasels, prisons are over flowing with them. Badgers, these folk > ,are so quick to take offence at any little thing, we call them crazy people. > Wolves, people who are dedicated to their family. You see these guys who want > to be totally independent, they hunt for food, have huge gardens and love to > hang out with like souls. Attributes do not, necessarily, reincarnation make. But who knows about the individual case. Dogs reincarnating as humans, I could believe. Some dogs want to be humans, try to be like humans. > So why can't the ocean dwelling mammals come back also. The people who have > a fascination with the ocean. Men and woman who rejoice in running with the > sea? > > We will never live so long as to have even one of these questions answered, Agreed. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Dec 21 12:34:48 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 12:34:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] digest vol 14, issue 19 In-Reply-To: <20051221160156.98780.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "j s" at Dec 21, 2005 08:01:56 AM Message-ID: <20051221193448.39620.qmail@mall-net.com> > "I AM BEING DENIED SERENITY..!" > > Baed on your work with frequencies etc, isn't there a possibilty > that it is subtly affecting your peace of mind? You said you research > brainwave entrainment (synchronization) - can some of the frequencies > and wavelengths be causing it? Or at least making it worse? Just an > idea. My experience with 7.83hz magnetic entrainment is quite the opposite; one becomes more relaxed, more inside one's self from what I heard, read, and experienced. Which is why I had mentioned it to Clyde some months ago. Of course, it may depend upon the individual. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Dec 21 23:06:11 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Dec 21 23:06:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Evo-Devo Message-ID: <20051222060611.97270.qmail@mall-net.com> How a few basic genes control the development of most animals. http://www.newyorker.com/critics/books/articles/051024crbo_books1 You wondered why the dog is similar to the elephant? Why they both have just about the same bones, organs, etc. with very little real difference? The new revolution in evolution suggests that very few changes are required to make major changes in the species. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 11:53:50 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Dec 23 11:54:54 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] JOHN. Message-ID: <20051223185350.21401.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> JOHN, I HAVE FORWARDED MY COMPLETED TYPING OF THE ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT PROJECT, W/ PHOTO'S, TO YOUR OFFICIAL E-MAIL ADDRESS. SO CHECK YOUR PERSONAL E-MAIL AND GET BACK TO ME, TO SEE IF EVERYTHING IS RECIVED A-OK..! OK? LATER, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051223/98539fc3/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Dec 23 12:09:57 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Dec 23 12:10:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] JOHN. In-Reply-To: <20051223185350.21401.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 23, 2005 10:53:50 AM Message-ID: <20051223190957.56568.qmail@mall-net.com> > I HAVE FORWARDED MY COMPLETED TYPING OF > THE ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT > PROJECT, W/ PHOTO'S, TO YOUR OFFICIAL E-MAIL > ADDRESS. > SO CHECK YOUR PERSONAL E-MAIL AND GET BACK > TO ME, TO SEE IF EVERYTHING IS RECIVED A-OK..! > OK? For reasons of security from viruses, trojans, and other nasties on the web many of us have attachments turned off. (Others should!) Also, the sending of large attachments on mailing lists is generally considered inappropriate by list managers everywhere. The usual way of handling things like this is to create a web site or FTP the material to some picture hosting service. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 12:13:51 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Dec 23 12:13:56 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] digest vol 14, issue 19 In-Reply-To: <20051221160156.98780.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051223191351.92941.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> j s wrote: "I AM BEING DENIED SERENITY..!" Based on your work with frequencies etc, isn't there a possibility that it is subtly affecting your peace of mind? YES; FOR ABSOLUTE CERTAIN..! You said you research brainwave entrainment (synchronization) - can some of the frequencies and wavelengths be causing it? WELL; THE 60 CYCLES PER SECOND (C.P.S.) ELECTRICAL POWER DISTRIBUTION GRID HAS MOST ALL OF US: HYPNOTIZED..! Or at least making it worse? WELL; YES AND NO. THE ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT SCIENCE PROJECT IS NOW BECOMING WIDESPREAD PUBLIC DOMAIN KNOWLEDGE, THROUGH LOCAL MEDIA / GOVERNEMENT SPYING, AS WELL AS THROUGH ALL OF THOSE COMPUTER HACKERS WHO ARE AROUND ME..! IT HAS BECOME, SHOULD I SAY: A QUIET RIOT..! MOST, IF NOT ALL OF THE MAJOR MEDIA OUTLETS AT LEAST HERE IN TULSA OKLAHOMA, NOW KNOW ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY..! Just an idea. OK. HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS. SINCERELY, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051223/1c91fc27/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 12:17:38 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Dec 23 12:17:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] JOHN. In-Reply-To: <20051223190957.56568.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051223191738.8221.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > I HAVE FORWARDED MY COMPLETED TYPING OF > THE ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT > PROJECT, W/ PHOTO'S, TO YOUR OFFICIAL E-MAIL > ADDRESS. > SO CHECK YOUR PERSONAL E-MAIL AND GET BACK > TO ME, TO SEE IF EVERYTHING IS RECIVED A-OK..! > OK? For reasons of security from viruses, trojans, and other nasties on the web many of us have attachments turned off. (Others should!) OK. Also, the sending of large attachments on mailing lists is generally considered inappropriate by list managers everywhere. YEAH WELL, I CANNOT POST THE ENTIRE MESSAGE TO THE MAD-SCI FORUM, DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE MESSAGE. The usual way of handling things like this is to create a web site or FTP the material to some picture hosting service. I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY. I DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO DO SO. LATER; CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051223/c32b92ec/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 12:38:54 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Dec 23 12:39:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] JOHN. In-Reply-To: <20051223190957.56568.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051223193854.55406.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > I HAVE FORWARDED MY COMPLETED TYPING OF > THE ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT > PROJECT, W/ PHOTO'S, TO YOUR OFFICIAL E-MAIL > ADDRESS. > SO CHECK YOUR PERSONAL E-MAIL AND GET BACK > TO ME, TO SEE IF EVERYTHING IS RECIVED A-OK..! > OK? For reasons of security from viruses, trojans, and other nasties on the web many of us have attachments turned off. (Others should!) OK. Also, the sending of large attachments on mailing lists is generally considered inappropriate by list managers everywhere. YEAH WELL, I CANNOT POST THE ENTIRE MESSAGE TO THE MAD-SCI FORUM, DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE MESSAGE. The usual way of handling things like this is to create a web site or FTP the material to some picture hosting service. I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY. I DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO DO SO. LATER; CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051223/bdaf5a6c/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Dec 23 13:42:35 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Dec 23 13:42:39 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] digest vol 14, issue 19 In-Reply-To: <20051223191351.92941.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 23, 2005 11:13:51 AM Message-ID: <20051223204235.24726.qmail@mall-net.com> > WELL; THE 60 CYCLES PER SECOND (C.P.S.) > ELECTRICAL POWER DISTRIBUTION GRID HAS > MOST ALL OF US: HYPNOTIZED..! Why do you think so? > WELL; YES AND NO. > THE ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE > ENTRAINMENT SCIENCE PROJECT IS NOW BECOMING > WIDESPREAD PUBLIC DOMAIN KNOWLEDGE, THROUGH > LOCAL MEDIA / GOVERNEMENT SPYING, AS WELL AS > THROUGH ALL OF THOSE COMPUTER HACKERS WHO > ARE AROUND ME..! > IT HAS BECOME, SHOULD I SAY: A QUIET RIOT..! > MOST, IF NOT ALL OF THE MAJOR MEDIA OUTLETS > AT LEAST HERE IN TULSA OKLAHOMA, NOW KNOW > ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY..! Have there been any articles published on this? Have any of the reporters interviewed you? If not, how do you know? Part of being a scientist, mad or not, is to challenge our perceptions and verify our beliefs. So what makes you believe that they know of this technology? Are they running articles or advertisements for this? I suspect they are not, mostly because Enermed, a Canadian provider of migraine mitigation magnetic waves, has not been approved (meaning is banned) in the USA. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Dec 27 04:04:42 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Dec 27 04:04:51 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Sleeping on a windowsill? Message-ID: <000101c60ad5$5732d9e0$6401a8c0@mikey> The _New York Times), December 27, 2005 Quantum Trickery: Testing Einstein's Strangest Theory By DENNIS OVERBYE Einstein said there would be days like this. This fall scientists announced that they had put a half dozen beryllium atoms into a "cat state." No, they were not sprawled along a sunny windowsill. To a physicist, a "cat state" is the condition of being two diametrically opposed conditions at once, like black and white, up and down, or dead and alive. These atoms were each spinning clockwise and counterclockwise at the same time. Moreover, like miniature Rockettes they were all doing whatever it was they were doing together, in perfect synchrony. Should one of them realize, like the cartoon character who runs off a cliff and doesn't fall until he looks down, that it is in a metaphysically untenable situation and decide to spin only one way, the rest would instantly fall in line, whether they were across a test tube or across the galaxy. The idea that measuring the properties of one particle could instantaneously change the properties of another one (or a whole bunch) far away is strange to say the least - almost as strange as the notion of particles spinning in two directions at once. The team that pulled off the beryllium feat, led by Dietrich Leibfried at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, in Boulder, Colo., hailed it as another step toward computers that would use quantum magic to perform calculations. But it also served as another demonstration of how weird the world really is according to the rules, known as quantum mechanics. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/27/science/27eins.html?th&emc=th From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Dec 27 10:24:25 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Dec 27 10:24:45 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Sleeping on a windowsill? In-Reply-To: <000101c60ad5$5732d9e0$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Dec 27, 2005 06:04:42 AM Message-ID: <20051227172425.34949.qmail@mall-net.com> > These atoms were each spinning clockwise and counterclockwise at the same > time. Moreover, like miniature Rockettes they were all doing whatever it = > was they were doing together, in perfect synchrony. Should one of them = > realize, > like the cartoon character who runs off a cliff and doesn't fall until = > he looks down, that it is in a metaphysically untenable situation and = > decide to > spin only one way, the rest would instantly fall in line, whether they = > were across a test tube or across the galaxy. This, along with the concept known as Chronons, if proven, would suggest that life as we know it merely a simulation in some kind of large computational device. > Technology, in > Boulder, Colo., hailed it as another step toward computers that would = > use quantum magic to perform calculations. I'll believe that when I see it. Maybe... Because I DO NOT believe that the phenomenon is properly understood! It is more likely one is creating a depression in the local probabilistic surface, which springs back elastically. Or some other just as ridiculous explanation! > But it also served as another demonstration of how weird the world = > really is according to the rules, known as quantum mechanics. I do NOT believe that quantum mechanics, "as we know it" is real; I believe that something ELSE is happening, and that the scientists who think they can quantumly entangle stuff are delusional. I believe there are other things which CAN explain the mis-interpretations of mis-observations in this area. Indeed, one of our members (if he's still here) has been doing experiments disproving some portion of quantum theory. Friend, would you care to comment on this experiment? Please! Curious minds would like to know. > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/27/science/27eins.html?th&emc=3Dth --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 12:34:09 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Dec 27 12:35:08 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Links to Clyde's brainwave entrainment work In-Reply-To: <20051225230616.49991.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20051227193409.95636.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > I got these attachments from Clyde today. They passed muster with Mikey's > security department, so they are clean. I looked at the podfunk version. Interesting idea to use a pipe. Looks on check of a lot more rugged than what I built! But with mine, I can actually do work while it is running. You might want to cut some eye and nose holes out on the pipe, Clyde. I INTEND ONLY TO USE IT AT NIGHTTIME; UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER REASONS THAT I WOULD POSSIBLY NEED TO USE IT. Wear it forward for work, backwards for pure meditation. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY WEARING IT FORWARD AND BACKWARD, UNLESS YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE UP AND DOWN (INPUT) PHASING OF THE FIELD COILS..? I don't know as I would call it Tesla Technology though. I WOULD; AND I DO..! TESLA DESERVES SO MUCH MORE MORE CREDIT THAN THE FUCKERS OF MAINSTREAM DOGMATISM SCIENCE GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR..! There is already a http://www.TeslaTech.com a ttr,com, etc. I don't know if Tesla ever did anything with brain wave entrainment, as he didn't seem to realize how harmful some of his stuff might have been to humans. YEAH; THERE IS TESLA TECH; AND I WAS A MEMBER OF THE 'SO-CALLED' INTERNATIONAL TESLA SOCIETY BACK IN AROUND 96' , BUT THE TESLA TECH STUFF / CONVENTIONS, ETC. , IS MOSTLY ALL FLUFF, AND NEVERENDING GO NOWHERE TALK. I TALKED TO RICHARD HULL, AND HE INFORMED ME THAT HE QUIT ATTENDING THE TESLA TECH FORUMS, DUE TO THE THEATER OF OPERATIONS WHICH THEY HAVE. LATER, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051227/fcf5da07/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Dec 27 13:00:42 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Dec 27 13:00:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Links to Clyde's brainwave entrainment work In-Reply-To: <20051227193409.95636.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Dec 27, 2005 11:34:09 AM Message-ID: <20051227200042.71736.qmail@mall-net.com> > Interesting idea to use a pipe. Looks on check of a lot more rugged > than what I built! But with mine, I can actually do work while it is > running. You might want to cut some eye and nose holes out on the pipe, > Clyde. > > I INTEND ONLY TO USE IT AT NIGHTTIME; UNLESS THERE ARE > OTHER REASONS THAT I WOULD POSSIBLY NEED TO USE IT. Any time you feel run down, angry, etc. > Wear it forward for work, backwards for pure meditation. > > I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY WEARING IT FORWARD > AND BACKWARD, UNLESS YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE > UP AND DOWN (INPUT) PHASING OF THE FIELD COILS..? Eye holes forward to be able to do things, eye holes backward when you want to meditate. 7.83 hz is great for cleaning out the grumbling mind and getting it restarted. 16hz starts it thinking if there is something to think about. 30 is high speed thought; but you'd better have focused on something and had some ideas first. 7.83 helps generate those ideas. > I don't know as I would call it Tesla Technology though. > > I WOULD; AND I DO..! > TESLA DESERVES SO MUCH MORE MORE CREDIT THAN > THE FUCKERS OF MAINSTREAM DOGMATISM SCIENCE > GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR..! Maybe. The question is whether this stuff was really practical, or whether it would be harmful, as pumping high frequency energy though the air would be. And also whether it was all real, or part showmanship to attract more investors. I do not know the answer! What I do not see, is others re-inventing his more intriguing inventions, like the supposedly free energy. So was it real, or pure showmanship? Geniuses often go bad, being frustrated by the way this world works and how other people can't see "it". Bad genius applied to consmanship frightening! But sometimes inspiring. He may have done some of these things to inspire others to TRY to find the things he couldn't. I don't know. If we have come all this way with our understanding of physics, how come we haven't re-invented those things??? And don't give me that conspiracy crap, because I've worked as a consultant for EPRI, the Electrical Power Research Institute for the electrical companies of the USA. The power companies would LOVE to get their hands on ANYTHING that is cheaper AND LESS POLLUTING than burning coal, oil, and natural gas for power!!! Some of these companies have to PAY CONSUMERS to buy LESS energy intensive appliances, etc. just to keep below capacity and pollution regulations. Believe me, they WANT cheap electricity! It's the energy brokers like Enron that didn't, and you saw what happened to them after they over did it. Jailtime!!! (Though believe me, despite EPRI being the Creme de la Creme of the utility industry, EPRI was politicized crap in some ways too. Great minds are not attracted to the utility operating companies, any more than they are to the railroads these days!) Our nation NEEDS cheap, low pollution energy. Energy is what our economy is based on. We use it far more efficiently than growing third world nations, which are now starting to bid against us for oil. It's becoming a very big problem as China starts siphoning the oil of the world. And Africa is just starting. > There is already a http://www.TeslaTech.com a ttr,com, etc. I don't > know if Tesla ever did anything with brain wave entrainment, as he > didn't seem to realize how harmful some of his stuff might have been > to humans. > > YEAH; THERE IS TESLA TECH; AND I WAS A MEMBER OF THE > 'SO-CALLED' INTERNATIONAL TESLA SOCIETY BACK IN AROUND > 96' , BUT THE TESLA TECH STUFF / CONVENTIONS, ETC. , IS > MOSTLY ALL FLUFF, AND NEVERENDING GO NOWHERE TALK. Cults of people who are too small minded to have real ideas of their own. It's so common! Most people want and need to be lead. One in seven has some leadership potential. One in a hundred can do a decent job; hence the Roman Centurions, men who lead one hundred men. (Beyond that, it becomes politicians, some good, more bad.) > I TALKED TO RICHARD HULL, AND HE INFORMED ME THAT > HE QUIT ATTENDING THE TESLA TECH FORUMS, DUE TO > THE THEATER OF OPERATIONS WHICH THEY HAVE. Yes. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From creolescience at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 14:37:49 2005 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Tue Dec 27 14:38:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 14, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <20051227190002.56D4339867@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <20051227213749.31960.qmail@web36114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am a recent member, confining myself mostly to vitamin and supplement based self-experimentation ( such as DHT supression through mega doses of saw palmetto - which is causing dormant follicles to become active, making my hair grow back) and am not real familiar with the nuances of Quantum Physics. I do know it's all theoretical, but there seems to be these all of headlines when something, especially astonomy based, appears to be proven. I just rarely hear the opposite. My question is: Are there many quantum theories that are being shown as completely wrong or , in general, do the ideas hold water and appear to be validated by emerging research? mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG wrote: Send Mad-Scientists mailing list submissions to mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mad-scientists-request@Mad-Scientists.ORG You can reach the person managing the list at mad-scientists-owner@Mad-Scientists.ORG When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mad-Scientists digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Sleeping on a windowsill? (Michael Best) 2. Re: Sleeping on a windowsill? (javilk@mall-net.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 06:04:42 -0500 From: "Michael Best" Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Sleeping on a windowsill? To: Message-ID: <000101c60ad5$5732d9e0$6401a8c0@mikey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The _New York Times), December 27, 2005 Quantum Trickery: Testing Einstein's Strangest Theory By DENNIS OVERBYE Einstein said there would be days like this. This fall scientists announced that they had put a half dozen beryllium atoms into a "cat state." No, they were not sprawled along a sunny windowsill. To a physicist, a "cat state" is the condition of being two diametrically opposed conditions at once, like black and white, up and down, or dead and alive. These atoms were each spinning clockwise and counterclockwise at the same time. Moreover, like miniature Rockettes they were all doing whatever it was they were doing together, in perfect synchrony. Should one of them realize, like the cartoon character who runs off a cliff and doesn't fall until he looks down, that it is in a metaphysically untenable situation and decide to spin only one way, the rest would instantly fall in line, whether they were across a test tube or across the galaxy. The idea that measuring the properties of one particle could instantaneously change the properties of another one (or a whole bunch) far away is strange to say the least - almost as strange as the notion of particles spinning in two directions at once. The team that pulled off the beryllium feat, led by Dietrich Leibfried at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, in Boulder, Colo., hailed it as another step toward computers that would use quantum magic to perform calculations. But it also served as another demonstration of how weird the world really is according to the rules, known as quantum mechanics. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/27/science/27eins.html?th&emc=th ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:24:25 +0000 (GMT) From: javilk@mall-net.com Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Sleeping on a windowsill? To: mbest@triad.rr.com Cc: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <20051227172425.34949.qmail@mall-net.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > These atoms were each spinning clockwise and counterclockwise at the same > time. Moreover, like miniature Rockettes they were all doing whatever it = > was they were doing together, in perfect synchrony. Should one of them = > realize, > like the cartoon character who runs off a cliff and doesn't fall until = > he looks down, that it is in a metaphysically untenable situation and = > decide to > spin only one way, the rest would instantly fall in line, whether they = > were across a test tube or across the galaxy. This, along with the concept known as Chronons, if proven, would suggest that life as we know it merely a simulation in some kind of large computational device. > Technology, in > Boulder, Colo., hailed it as another step toward computers that would = > use quantum magic to perform calculations. I'll believe that when I see it. Maybe... Because I DO NOT believe that the phenomenon is properly understood! It is more likely one is creating a depression in the local probabilistic surface, which springs back elastically. Or some other just as ridiculous explanation! > But it also served as another demonstration of how weird the world = > really is according to the rules, known as quantum mechanics. I do NOT believe that quantum mechanics, "as we know it" is real; I believe that something ELSE is happening, and that the scientists who think they can quantumly entangle stuff are delusional. I believe there are other things which CAN explain the mis-interpretations of mis-observations in this area. Indeed, one of our members (if he's still here) has been doing experiments disproving some portion of quantum theory. Friend, would you care to comment on this experiment? Please! Curious minds would like to know. > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/27/science/27eins.html?th&emc=3Dth --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists End of Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 14, Issue 25 ********************************************** --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20051227/b586ac16/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Dec 27 14:55:42 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Dec 27 14:55:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 14, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <20051227213749.31960.qmail@web36114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "j s" at Dec 27, 2005 01:37:49 PM Message-ID: <20051227215542.79395.qmail@mall-net.com> > I am a recent member, confining myself mostly to vitamin and > supplement based self-experimentation ( such as DHT supression through > mega doses of saw palmetto - which is causing dormant follicles to > become active, making my hair grow back) and am not real familiar with > the nuances of Quantum Physics. > I do know it's all theoretical, but there seems to be these all of > headlines when something, especially astonomy based, appears to be > proven. I just rarely hear the opposite. Little is really PROVEN one way or another except in the minds of the public, who don't understand it anyway, so they don't care. I mean, to the public, a quantum leap is the largest possible leap. To a scientist, it's the smallest possible leap. That's how bad it is! To see the controversies, you need to read the trade press for whatever you are interested in. > My question is: Are there many quantum theories that are being shown > as completely wrong or , in general, do the ideas hold water and > appear to be validated by emerging research? See http://www.unquantum.com -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Dec 27 16:23:47 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Dec 27 16:23:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Cats and strings Message-ID: <001601c60b3c$96cb7fa0$6401a8c0@mikey> Although I have *absolutely* no idea how to even begin supporting this theory, I think quantum mechanics is a natural corollary (or subset) of superstring theory. Just my sixth sense feels good with this idea. -Mike From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Dec 27 22:40:31 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Dec 27 22:40:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Vanadium RedOx battery Message-ID: <20051228054031.68417.qmail@mall-net.com> Lead Acid is the current most economical and long lasting energy storage system. It requires time to recharge, and has limited life. Vanadium RedOx batteries have the advantage that the charge is in the solution, not the plates. Thus, replacing the solution instantly recharges the battery. Yes, you still have to pump electrons into the solution. But you don't have to do that in the battery. You can do that in a filling station, allowing rapid (effective) recharge for longer journeys. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3589/vanadium.html -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Dec 30 13:51:43 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Dec 30 13:52:18 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Top Mysteries of the Cosmos Message-ID: <20051230205143.27699.qmail@mall-net.com> Is Alpha changing? Can we explain cold fusion? Can the Tetra-neutron exist? Just what the heck is dark mater and dark energy really? These are among the top real mysteries ofthe universe, mysteries whish drive real scientists mad. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18524911.600 Maybe it's time to hold a membership drive to catch these poor fellows and let them know they are not alone in the darkness. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. 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