From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Feb 14 06:03:36 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Feb 13 23:03:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Correlation/causation In-Reply-To: <20050214052721.39804.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Feb 14, 2005 05:27:21 AM Message-ID: <20050214060336.84216.qmail@mall-net.com> > > > "God does not play dice with the universe." -A. Einstein > > > > "God plays with loaded dice." -M. Best > > God set the rules, left the game to us -JVV- Princeton experiment predicted 9/11, Asian Tsuname, etc.... > > http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=126649#121 Experiment description: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/~rdn They use a quantum tunneling device. HA! This is NOT entirely random!!! It has been reported by what's his name... foundedr of Industrial Research Magazine -- Juneman! that a change in the electrical balance of space WILL alter quantum tunneling tendencies. Earthquakes, those CAN be preceded by... have shown sometimes to be preceded by low frequency electrical phenomenon. Not necessarily unexpected in an event where many, many piezo crystals were slowly pushed to the breaking! Similar results HAVE been shown prior to the Loma Prieta event in California. Any event causing many people to turn on TV sets may alter charge-space. An interesting experiment, written up in radio-electronics magazine in the late 80's or early 90's, used capacitors... I THINK it was tantalum, but I could well be wrong,, to record "gravity waves" in the i/f white noise as the moon, weights, etc. moved through orientation space of the capacitor. Other literature (Feynman, QED, I believe) says soemthing like ten to the -23 (-25?) electron-photon interactions appear to be in reverse time order. About the same number as estimated interconnections within the average human brain. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Feb 13 15:11:14 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Feb 14 14:30:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. Message-ID: <20050213231115.17280.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> To whom it concerns, This short e-mail is to confirm my signing aboard. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050213/9033bd8c/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Feb 15 02:42:17 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Feb 14 19:42:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050213231115.17280.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 13, 2005 03:11:14 PM Message-ID: <20050215024217.63125.qmail@mall-net.com> > This short e-mail is to confirm my > signing aboard. > > Sincerely, Clyde Lofton > clydelofton@yahoo.com Welcome to the list of quiet mad scientists. I'm not sure how mad they are, because they don't seem to talk much. What are your interests? What experiments have you done lately? What, in your opinion, makes you a mad scientist? -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon Feb 14 19:17:49 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Mon Feb 14 20:18:03 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050215024217.63125.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050215031749.14075.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, Sorry, I was setting up some books in the mini lab. In my opinion. a mad scientist is one who is working on things that society (not science) says is "mad" (I think the new versions of this phrase are "you're not being realistic/not looking at the political ramifications/not taking into account {name favorite sacred cow of status quo here}"). I'll try and post a few things each week, as time permits. I'm writing up a handbook for my minions. God knows some of my minions need a policy manual. (one of my assistants figured the only way to shut down a robot was to shoot it. this did the robot no good at all.) Bob --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > This short e-mail is to confirm my > > signing aboard. > > > > Sincerely, Clyde Lofton > > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > Welcome to the list of quiet mad scientists. > I'm not sure how mad > they are, because they don't seem to talk much. > > What are your interests? What experiments have > you done lately? > What, in your opinion, makes you a mad scientist? > > -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ > www.mall-net.com/javilk > --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- > and You! --------------- > --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to > cancel the show, would we? -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > All rights reserved. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com > http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From agassi at erols.com Mon Feb 14 22:47:32 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Mon Feb 14 20:50:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050215031749.14075.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:18 PM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > Javilk, > > Sorry, I was setting up some books in the mini lab. > > In my opinion. a mad scientist is one who is working > on things that society (not science) says is "mad" Try http://www.FoolQuest.com >(I > think the new versions of this phrase are "you're not > being realistic/not looking at the political > ramifications/not taking into account {name favorite > sacred cow of status quo here}"). > > I'll try and post a few things each week, as time > permits. I'm writing up a handbook for my minions. > God knows some of my minions need a policy manual. > (one of my assistants figured the only way to shut > down a robot was to shoot it. this did the robot no > good at all.) > > Bob > > --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > > This short e-mail is to confirm my > > > signing aboard. > > > > > > Sincerely, Clyde Lofton > > > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > Welcome to the list of quiet mad scientists. > > I'm not sure how mad > > they are, because they don't seem to talk much. > > > > What are your interests? What experiments have > > you done lately? > > What, in your opinion, makes you a mad scientist? > > > > -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ > > www.mall-net.com/javilk > > --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- > > and You! --------------- > > --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to > > cancel the show, would we? -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > > All rights reserved. > > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com > > http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mad-Scientists mailing list > > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 15 07:12:02 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 15 08:12:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050215151202.32173.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> Aaron, long time no see. I met you up in Boston, back in '89, when I was just starting to date my now wife. Also, that was back when I was putting a serious bug in the collective ear of Boston SCA (carolingia branch) and a little group that formed an abomination called Arisia. At the moment, The first thing I need to do is house hunt, then I can start setting up my shop/lab again. Great web site. Your web site is the caliber I wish to achieve when I set up my page. Bob --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > Behalf Of Robert > > Juliano > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:18 PM > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > > > > Javilk, > > > > Sorry, I was setting up some books in the mini > lab. > > > > In my opinion. a mad scientist is one who is > working > > on things that society (not science) says is "mad" > > > Try http://www.FoolQuest.com > > > >(I > > think the new versions of this phrase are "you're > not > > being realistic/not looking at the political > > ramifications/not taking into account {name > favorite > > sacred cow of status quo here}"). > > > > I'll try and post a few things each week, as time > > permits. I'm writing up a handbook for my > minions. > > God knows some of my minions need a policy manual. > > (one of my assistants figured the only way to shut > > down a robot was to shoot it. this did the robot > no > > good at all.) > > > > Bob > > > > --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > > > > This short e-mail is to confirm my > > > > signing aboard. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, Clyde Lofton > > > > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > Welcome to the list of quiet mad > scientists. > > > I'm not sure how mad > > > they are, because they don't seem to talk much. > > > > > > What are your interests? What experiments > have > > > you done lately? > > > What, in your opinion, makes you a mad > scientist? > > > > > > -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com > ------------------ > > > www.mall-net.com/javilk > > > --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company > -- > > > and You! --------------- > > > --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to > > > cancel the show, would we? -- > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---------- > > > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright > retained. > > > All rights reserved. > > > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com > > > http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mad-Scientists mailing list > > > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Mad-Scientists mailing list > > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From agassi at erols.com Tue Feb 15 10:42:50 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 15 08:42:59 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050215151202.32173.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:12 AM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > Aaron, > > long time no see. I met you up in Boston, back in '89, > when I was just starting to date my now wife. Also, > that was back when I was putting a serious bug in the > collective ear of Boston SCA (carolingia branch) and a > little group that formed an abomination Indeed! >called Arisia. Long live the Open [sic] Convention! > > > At the moment, The first thing I need to do is house > hunt, then I can start setting up my shop/lab again. > > Great web site. Your web site is the caliber I wish to > achieve when I set up my page. > Thanks. Unaccustomed praise! But is this really been my first post, or, for that matter, my first plug? > Bob > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > Behalf Of Robert > > > Juliano > > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:18 PM > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Javilk, > > > > > > Sorry, I was setting up some books in the mini > > lab. > > > > > > In my opinion. a mad scientist is one who is > > working > > > on things that society (not science) says is "mad" > > > > > > Try http://www.FoolQuest.com > > > > > > >(I > > > think the new versions of this phrase are "you're > > not > > > being realistic/not looking at the political > > > ramifications/not taking into account {name > > favorite > > > sacred cow of status quo here}"). > > > > > > I'll try and post a few things each week, as time > > > permits. I'm writing up a handbook for my > > minions. > > > God knows some of my minions need a policy manual. > > > (one of my assistants figured the only way to shut > > > down a robot was to shoot it. this did the robot > > no > > > good at all.) > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > > > > > > This short e-mail is to confirm my > > > > > signing aboard. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, Clyde Lofton > > > > > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > Welcome to the list of quiet mad > > scientists. > > > > I'm not sure how mad > > > > they are, because they don't seem to talk much. > > > > > > > > What are your interests? What experiments > > have > > > > you done lately? > > > > What, in your opinion, makes you a mad > > scientist? > > > > > > > > -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com > > ------------------ > > > > www.mall-net.com/javilk > > > > --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company > > -- > > > > and You! --------------- > > > > --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to > > > > cancel the show, would we? -- > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---------- > > > > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright > > retained. > > > > All rights reserved. > > > > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com > > > > http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 15 08:19:51 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 15 09:20:25 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050215161952.78847.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> 1.) I haven't been reading the poster's names as carefully as I should. 2.) I am now starting to write up a paper on some of the problems in fandom. Bob --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > Behalf Of Robert > > Juliano > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:12 AM > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > long time no see. I met you up in Boston, back in > '89, > > when I was just starting to date my now wife. > Also, > > that was back when I was putting a serious bug in > the > > collective ear of Boston SCA (carolingia branch) > and a > > little group that formed an abomination > > Indeed! > > >called Arisia. > > Long live the Open [sic] Convention! > > > > > > At the moment, The first thing I need to do is > house > > hunt, then I can start setting up my shop/lab > again. > > > > Great web site. Your web site is the caliber I > wish to > > achieve when I set up my page. > > > Thanks. Unaccustomed praise! > > But is this really been my first post, or, for that > matter, my first plug? > > > > Bob > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > Juliano > > > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:18 PM > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Javilk, > > > > > > > > Sorry, I was setting up some books in the mini > > > lab. > > > > > > > > In my opinion. a mad scientist is one who is > > > working > > > > on things that society (not science) says is > "mad" > > > > > > > > > Try http://www.FoolQuest.com > > > > > > > > > >(I > > > > think the new versions of this phrase are > "you're > > > not > > > > being realistic/not looking at the political > > > > ramifications/not taking into account {name > > > favorite > > > > sacred cow of status quo here}"). > > > > > > > > I'll try and post a few things each week, as > time > > > > permits. I'm writing up a handbook for my > > > minions. > > > > God knows some of my minions need a policy > manual. > > > > (one of my assistants figured the only way to > shut > > > > down a robot was to shoot it. this did the > robot > > > no > > > > good at all.) > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This short e-mail is to confirm my > > > > > > signing aboard. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, Clyde Lofton > > > > > > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the list of quiet mad > > > scientists. > > > > > I'm not sure how mad > > > > > they are, because they don't seem to talk > much. > > > > > > > > > > What are your interests? What > experiments > > > have > > > > > you done lately? > > > > > What, in your opinion, makes you a mad > > > scientist? > > > > > > > > > > -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com > > > ------------------ > > > > > www.mall-net.com/javilk > > > > > --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves > company > > > -- > > > > > and You! --------------- > > > > > --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator > to > > > > > cancel the show, would we? -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ---------- > > > > > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright > > > retained. > > > > > All rights reserved. > > > > > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com > > > > > http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From agassi at erols.com Tue Feb 15 14:25:36 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 15 12:26:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050215161952.78847.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:20 AM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > 1.) I haven't been reading the poster's names as > carefully as I should. > 2.) I am now starting to write up a paper on some of > the problems in fandom. > Can I help? > Bob PS. Someone submitted a form from http://FoolQuest.com/form_files/response.htm but neglected to identify themselves or supply a return email address. Was that you, perchance, Bob? > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > Behalf Of Robert > > > Juliano > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:12 AM > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > long time no see. I met you up in Boston, back in > > '89, > > > when I was just starting to date my now wife. > > Also, > > > that was back when I was putting a serious bug in > > the > > > collective ear of Boston SCA (carolingia branch) > > and a > > > little group that formed an abomination > > > > Indeed! > > > > >called Arisia. > > > > Long live the Open [sic] Convention! > > > > > > > > > At the moment, The first thing I need to do is > > house > > > hunt, then I can start setting up my shop/lab > > again. > > > > > > Great web site. Your web site is the caliber I > > wish to > > > achieve when I set up my page. > > > > > Thanks. Unaccustomed praise! > > > > But is this really been my first post, or, for that > > matter, my first plug? > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > Juliano > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:18 PM > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Javilk, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I was setting up some books in the mini > > > > lab. > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion. a mad scientist is one who is > > > > working > > > > > on things that society (not science) says is > > "mad" > > > > > > > > > > > > Try http://www.FoolQuest.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >(I > > > > > think the new versions of this phrase are > > "you're > > > > not > > > > > being realistic/not looking at the political > > > > > ramifications/not taking into account {name > > > > favorite > > > > > sacred cow of status quo here}"). > > > > > > > > > > I'll try and post a few things each week, as > > time > > > > > permits. I'm writing up a handbook for my > > > > minions. > > > > > God knows some of my minions need a policy > > manual. > > > > > (one of my assistants figured the only way to > > shut > > > > > down a robot was to shoot it. this did the > > robot > > > > no > > > > > good at all.) > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This short e-mail is to confirm my > > > > > > > signing aboard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, Clyde Lofton > > > > > > > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the list of quiet mad > > > > scientists. > > > > > > I'm not sure how mad > > > > > > they are, because they don't seem to talk > > much. > > > > > > > > > > > > What are your interests? What > > experiments > > > > have > > > > > > you done lately? > > > > > > What, in your opinion, makes you a mad > > > > scientist? > > > > > > > > > > > > -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com > > > > ------------------ > > > > > > www.mall-net.com/javilk > > > > > > --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves > > company > > > > -- > > > > > > and You! --------------- > > > > > > --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator > > to > > > > > > cancel the show, would we? -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright > > > > retained. > > > > > > All rights reserved. > > > > > > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com > > > > > > http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mad-Scientists mailing list > > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 15 12:09:27 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 15 13:09:40 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050215200928.63444.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> Aaron, Only if you are willing to face some unpleasant observations I've made regarding the fannish population. This paper has touched nerves with: the "trufans," the "mystic" fans, the "glitteratti" fans, the gamers and the psycho-gamers, the media fans, and the computer fans. About the only fans not bothered by this paper are those nut-bars such as myself who play with rockets, astronomy, chemistry, and/or mechanics - and we are a very rare breed in fandom. Ugly facts in fandom: 1.) Many of them use lack of hygeine as a social weapon 2.) Every 3.5 years, another pyschol drama crops up 3.) Some of the fannish feuds have been running for over 40 years, with the older members dropping out, and being replaced with new members. 4.) Many of those in fandom might be exhibiting signs of abuse/neglect. (hence the implication of easy sex in fandom. Yet very few of the fans actually hook up at conventions.) This might also explain why many fans are more comfortable with bondage and dominanace games, than with standard sex behaviors: no emotional intimacy. 5.) The dramatic recreation of a common ground, default high school social structure. Bob (mad social scientist) --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > Behalf Of Robert > > Juliano > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:20 AM > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > > > > 1.) I haven't been reading the poster's names as > > carefully as I should. > > 2.) I am now starting to write up a paper on some > of > > the problems in fandom. > > > Can I help? > > > > Bob > > PS. Someone submitted a form from > http://FoolQuest.com/form_files/response.htm but > neglected to identify > themselves or supply a return email address. Was > that you, perchance, Bob? > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > Juliano > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:12 AM > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > long time no see. I met you up in Boston, back > in > > > '89, > > > > when I was just starting to date my now wife. > > > Also, > > > > that was back when I was putting a serious bug > in > > > the > > > > collective ear of Boston SCA (carolingia > branch) > > > and a > > > > little group that formed an abomination > > > > > > Indeed! > > > > > > >called Arisia. > > > > > > Long live the Open [sic] Convention! > > > > > > > > > > > > At the moment, The first thing I need to do is > > > house > > > > hunt, then I can start setting up my shop/lab > > > again. > > > > > > > > Great web site. Your web site is the caliber I > > > wish to > > > > achieve when I set up my page. > > > > > > > Thanks. Unaccustomed praise! > > > > > > But is this really been my first post, or, for > that > > > matter, my first plug? > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: > > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > > Juliano > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:18 PM > > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] > Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Javilk, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I was setting up some books in the > mini > > > > > lab. > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion. a mad scientist is one who > is > > > > > working > > > > > > on things that society (not science) says > is > > > "mad" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try http://www.FoolQuest.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(I > > > > > > think the new versions of this phrase are > > > "you're > > > > > not > > > > > > being realistic/not looking at the > political > > > > > > ramifications/not taking into account > {name > > > > > favorite > > > > > > sacred cow of status quo here}"). > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll try and post a few things each week, > as > > > time > > > > > > permits. I'm writing up a handbook for my > > > > > minions. > > > > > > God knows some of my minions need a policy > > > manual. > > > > > > (one of my assistants figured the only way > to > > > shut > > > > > > down a robot was to shoot it. this did the > > > robot > > > > > no > > > > > > good at all.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This short e-mail is to confirm my > > > > > > > > signing aboard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, Clyde Lofton > > > > > > > > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the list of quiet mad > > > > > scientists. > > > > > > > I'm not sure how mad > > > > > > > they are, because they don't seem to > talk > > > much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are your interests? What > > > experiments > > > > > have > > > > > > > you done lately? > > > > > > > What, in your opinion, makes you a mad > > > > > scientist? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com > > > > > ------------------ > > > > > > > www.mall-net.com/javilk > > > > > > > --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves > > > company > > > > > -- > > > > > > > and You! --------------- > > > > > > > --- After all, we wouldn't want our > Creator > > > to > > > > > > > cancel the show, would we? -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. > Copyright > > > > > retained. > > > > > > > All rights reserved. > > > > > > > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From agassi at erols.com Tue Feb 15 16:01:00 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 15 14:01:11 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050215200928.63444.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:09 PM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > Aaron, > > Only if you are willing to face some unpleasant > observations I've made regarding the fannish > population. This paper has touched nerves with: the > "trufans," the "mystic" fans, the "glitteratti" fans, > the gamers and the psycho-gamers, the media fans, and > the computer fans. About the only fans not bothered by > this paper are those nut-bars such as myself who play > with rockets, astronomy, chemistry, and/or mechanics - > and we are a very rare breed in fandom. > > Ugly facts in fandom: > 1.) Many of them use lack of hygeine as a social > weapon > 2.) Every 3.5 years, another pyschol drama crops up > 3.) Some of the fannish feuds have been running for > over 40 years, with the older members dropping out, > and being replaced with new members. > 4.) Many of those in fandom might be exhibiting signs > of abuse/neglect. (hence the implication of easy sex > in fandom. Yet very few of the fans actually hook up > at conventions.) This might also explain why many fans > are more comfortable with bondage and dominanace > games, than with standard sex behaviors: no emotional > intimacy. > 5.) The dramatic recreation of a common ground, > default high school social structure. > > Bob (mad social scientist) > Indeed, Bob, exactly what and how much of your observations exceed shop worn common knowledge? Can we even hope to offend anyone? And to make it really interesting, and in keeping with the spirit of mad science, are we just talking about the weather, or do we so much as contemplate modification of the climate? > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > Behalf Of Robert > > > Juliano > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:20 AM > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.) I haven't been reading the poster's names as > > > carefully as I should. > > > 2.) I am now starting to write up a paper on some > > of > > > the problems in fandom. > > > > > Can I help? > > > > > > > Bob > > > > PS. Someone submitted a form from > > http://FoolQuest.com/form_files/response.htm but > > neglected to identify > > themselves or supply a return email address. Was > > that you, perchance, Bob? > > > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > Juliano > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:12 AM > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > long time no see. I met you up in Boston, back > > in > > > > '89, > > > > > when I was just starting to date my now wife. > > > > Also, > > > > > that was back when I was putting a serious bug > > in > > > > the > > > > > collective ear of Boston SCA (carolingia > > branch) > > > > and a > > > > > little group that formed an abomination > > > > > > > > Indeed! > > > > > > > > >called Arisia. > > > > > > > > Long live the Open [sic] Convention! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the moment, The first thing I need to do is > > > > house > > > > > hunt, then I can start setting up my shop/lab > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > Great web site. Your web site is the caliber I > > > > wish to > > > > > achieve when I set up my page. > > > > > > > > > Thanks. Unaccustomed praise! > > > > > > > > But is this really been my first post, or, for > > that > > > > matter, my first plug? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > > > Juliano > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:18 PM > > > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] > > Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Javilk, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I was setting up some books in the > > mini > > > > > > lab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion. a mad scientist is one who > > is > > > > > > working > > > > > > > on things that society (not science) says > > is > > > > "mad" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try http://www.FoolQuest.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(I > > > > > > > think the new versions of this phrase are > > > > "you're > > > > > > not > > > > > > > being realistic/not looking at the > > political > > > > > > > ramifications/not taking into account > > {name > > > > > > favorite > > > > > > > sacred cow of status quo here}"). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll try and post a few things each week, > > as > > > > time > > > > > > > permits. I'm writing up a handbook for my > > > > > > minions. > > > > > > > God knows some of my minions need a policy > > > > manual. > > > > > > > (one of my assistants figured the only way > > to > > > > shut > > > > > > > down a robot was to shoot it. this did the > > > > robot > > > > > > no > > > > > > > good at all.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This short e-mail is to confirm my > > > > > > > > > signing aboard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, Clyde Lofton > > > > > > > > > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the list of quiet mad > > > > > > scientists. > > > > > > > > I'm not sure how mad > > > > > > > > they are, because they don't seem to > > talk > > > > much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are your interests? What > > > > experiments > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > you done lately? > > > > > > > > What, in your opinion, makes you a mad > > > > > > scientist? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com > > > > > > ------------------ > > > > > > > > www.mall-net.com/javilk > > > > > > > > --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves > > > > company > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > and You! --------------- > > > > > > > > --- After all, we wouldn't want our > > Creator > > > > to > > > > > > > > cancel the show, would we? -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. > > Copyright > > > > > > retained. > > > > > > > > All rights reserved. > > > > > > > > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com > > > === message truncated === > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Feb 15 22:35:22 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Feb 15 15:35:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: from "Aaron Agassi" at Feb 15, 2005 04:01:00 PM Message-ID: <20050215223522.74952.qmail@mall-net.com> > > Aaron, > > > > Only if you are willing to face some unpleasant > > observations I've made regarding the fannish > > population. This paper has touched nerves with: the > > "trufans," the "mystic" fans, the "glitteratti" fans, > > the gamers and the psycho-gamers, the media fans, and > > the computer fans. About the only fans not bothered by > > this paper are those nut-bars such as myself who play > > with rockets, astronomy, chemistry, and/or mechanics - > > and we are a very rare breed in fandom. Vas is das??? You are POP Mad Schientischt??? Vat kind of schientist is dat??? > > Ugly facts in fandom: > > 1.) Many of them use lack of hygeine as a social > > weapon > > 2.) Every 3.5 years, another pyschol drama crops up > > Bob (mad social scientist) This type of assistants you do not need! (Not unless dealing with nuclear reactors or other mutagens. Can't make them any worse!) > Indeed, Bob, exactly what and how much of your observations exceed shop worn > common knowledge? Can we even hope to offend anyone? And to make it really > interesting, and in keeping with the spirit of mad science, are we just > talking about the weather, or do we so much as contemplate modification of > the climate? (Modification of climate? Hmmm.... would settle for schtoppingk rain right now.) True mad scientists have rejected society because society has rejected them! They live on mountain tops using lightning for electricity! (Have the mountain top, still working on the capacitor bank. Anyone seen Semipalitinsk, and can comment on distilled water capacitors the used for their beam weapon???) Then again, do these fans pay admission to watch your experiments? Hmmm... Could be an interesting source of funding... Equipment is much, much more expensive these days! Vhat kind of experiment attract paying fans??? Vat do you charge for admission? -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From agassi at erols.com Tue Feb 15 18:00:28 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 15 16:00:39 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050215223522.74952.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of > javilk@mall-net.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:35 PM > To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > Only if you are willing to face some unpleasant > > > observations I've made regarding the fannish > > > population. This paper has touched nerves with: the > > > "trufans," the "mystic" fans, the "glitteratti" fans, > > > the gamers and the psycho-gamers, the media fans, and > > > the computer fans. About the only fans not bothered by > > > this paper are those nut-bars such as myself who play > > > with rockets, astronomy, chemistry, and/or mechanics - > > > and we are a very rare breed in fandom. > > Vas is das??? > > You are POP Mad Schientischt??? Vat kind of schientist is dat??? > > > > Ugly facts in fandom: > > > 1.) Many of them use lack of hygeine as a social > > > weapon > > > 2.) Every 3.5 years, another pyschol drama crops up > > > > Bob (mad social scientist) > > This type of assistants you do not need! (Not unless dealing with > nuclear reactors or other mutagens. Can't make them any worse!) > > > Indeed, Bob, exactly what and how much of your observations > exceed shop worn > > common knowledge? Can we even hope to offend anyone? And to > make it really > > interesting, and in keeping with the spirit of mad science, are we just > > talking about the weather, or do we so much as contemplate > modification of > > the climate? > > (Modification of climate? Hmmm.... would settle for schtoppingk > rain right now.) > And I'd settle for sequitur, Dr. Katzenjammer! > True mad scientists have rejected society because society has > rejected them! They live on mountain tops using lightning for > electricity! (Have the mountain top, still working on the capacitor > bank. Anyone seen Semipalitinsk, and can comment on distilled water > capacitors the used for their beam weapon???) > > Then again, do these fans pay admission to watch your experiments? > Hmmm... Could be an interesting source of funding... Equipment is much, > much more expensive these days! > > Vhat kind of experiment attract paying fans??? Vat do you charge > for admission? > > -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Feb 15 23:40:52 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Feb 15 16:40:54 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: from "Aaron Agassi" at Feb 15, 2005 06:00:28 PM Message-ID: <20050215234052.77769.qmail@mall-net.com> > > > > Ugly facts in fandom: > > > > 1.) Many of them use lack of hygeine as a social > > > > weapon > > > > 2.) Every 3.5 years, another pyschol drama crops up > > > > > > Bob (mad social scientist) > > > > This type of assistants you do not need! (Not unless dealing with > > nuclear reactors or other mutagens. Can't make them any worse!) > > > > > Indeed, Bob, exactly what and how much of your observations > > exceed shop worn > > > common knowledge? Can we even hope to offend anyone? And to > > make it really > > > interesting, and in keeping with the spirit of mad science, are we just > > > talking about the weather, or do we so much as contemplate > > modification of > > > the climate? > > > > (Modification of climate? Hmmm.... would settle for schtoppingk > > rain right now.) > > > And I'd settle for sequitur, Dr. Katzenjammer! Laughing. Ran across some interesting flame speaker stuff a while back. Guy built a "pipe organ" with a few long pipes and modulated gas valve thinguses, letting the expansion of burning gas amplify the valving A LOT, and focus it via the pipes. It's the sort of thing I'd love to point up at the clouds and see what happens. Just takes money to build. We have excellent cover here as there is an Indian bunch (not an Amerind among them!) who regularly play tom-toms, Amerind Indian chants, etc. over a very loud PA system. The locals wouldn't know the difference! Anyone try anything like that? -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 15 16:23:19 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 15 17:23:28 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050216002319.41305.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> Aaron, Your experiences and mine are a little bit richer than the standard fan, or the standard poster here. Our broader knowledge base gives us a perspective that few have. in actuality, it would appear that many people do not realize how few of the hands-on engineers (I throw machinists in the mix, as well) there are in fandom. Nor do they realize the number of pagans, or the number of people needing some help with hygeine and social skills (the awfuls of carolingia make the case for me...) It would appear that many people will say that an answer to something is common knowledge, after the answer is given. To the best of my knowledge, after completing the first phase of a literature review, not one paper has been written on the population of science fiction fandom, and the proportion of abused/neglected people therein. The area that I am trying to examine is the severe social sea change between what fandom started as (very much like a group of fledgling mad scientists), what it mutated into, and then what it hived off. Somewhere around the 50's (it may coincide with the beat movement) much of fandom changed: the rocketry geeks left, the home hobbyists left, and the magickal people all but invaded. Of course, the 60's showed fandom creating the Society for Consenting Adults --- er, I mean, the Society for Creative Anachronism. They've a part in the paper as well. if mad science gives us tesla coils, flying cars, and robot servants... maybe mad social science can get us better rules to live by. Bob --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > Indeed, Bob, exactly what and how much of your > observations exceed shop worn > common knowledge? Can we even hope to offend anyone? > And to make it really > interesting, and in keeping with the spirit of mad > science, are we just > talking about the weather, or do we so much as > contemplate modification of > the climate? > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 15 16:33:48 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 15 17:33:56 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050215223522.74952.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050216003348.82039.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> 1.) I am a mad scientist that occasionaly enjoys working with mad social science. 2.) Most of the fandom population is specifically *not* on my list of possible assistants. not even for the role of igor-the-slovenly. (on the other hand, some of the ladies I've met in the anime cons might be fit the role of cheesecake in lab coat...) 3.) At the moment, my shop is in storage, as my wife and I are house hunting. Once we've a house in Connecticut, I can start working from my project list. Not much chance of a mountain top... but some of the woods are appropriately dark and spooky. 4.) The anime fans might pay to see robots. If you can build power armor (any size that will fit them, or bigger) some will pay new car prices. Bob --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > Vas is das??? > You are POP Mad Schientischt??? Vat kind of > schientist is dat??? > > This type of assistants you do not need! (Not > unless dealing with > nuclear reactors or other mutagens. Can't make them > any worse!) > (Modification of climate? Hmmm.... would > settle for schtoppingk > rain right now.) > > True mad scientists have rejected societybecause society has > rejected them! They live on mountain tops using lightning for > electricity! (Have the mountain top, still working on the capacitor > bank. Anyone seen Semipalitinsk, and can comment on distilled > water capacitors the used for their beam weapon???) > > Then again, do these fans pay admission to watch your > experiments? Hmmm... Could be an interesting source of funding... > Equipment is much, much more expensive these days! > > Vhat kind of experiment attract paying fans??? Vat do you charge > for admission? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From agassi at erols.com Tue Feb 15 21:30:52 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 15 19:31:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050216002319.41305.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:23 PM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > Aaron, > > Your experiences and mine are a little bit richer than > the standard fan, or the standard poster here. Our > broader knowledge base gives us a perspective that few > have. in actuality, it would appear that many people > do not realize how few of the hands-on engineers (I > throw machinists in the mix, as well) there are in > fandom. Indeed, the question had not occurred to me. But I'm not an engineer, either. Indeed, I would value serious engineering contacts, especially prospective collaborators patentable concept that therefore I have not showcased on FoolQuest.com And I have already struck out on a robotics list. >Nor do they realize the number of pagans, or > the number of people needing some help with hygeine > and social skills (the awfuls of carolingia make the > case for me...) It would appear that many people will > say that an answer to something is common knowledge, > after the answer is given. > Socrates asserted the importance of knowing that one does not know. But the scope and nature of the available information can also be of manifest import. > To the best of my knowledge, after completing the > first phase of a literature review, not one paper has > been written on the population of science fiction > fandom, and the proportion of abused/neglected people > therein. > I'll bet you're right! But given the sad prevalence of abuse and neglect in our sad sick world at large, what will provide a fair index for comparison? What are the control groups? > The area that I am trying to examine is the severe > social sea change between what fandom started as (very > much like a group of fledgling mad scientists), what > it mutated into, and then what it hived off. Somewhere > around the 50's (it may coincide with the beat > movement) much of fandom changed: the rocketry geeks > left, the home hobbyists left, and the magickal people > all but invaded. > Surely there are other culprits, indeed including the most staunchly traditional fen. Also, who are the ones you call "psycho-gamers," do you mean the incessant yentas and shameless bullies? > Of course, the 60's showed fandom creating the Society > for Consenting Adults --- er, I mean, the Society for > Creative Anachronism. They've a part in the paper as > well. > > if mad science gives us tesla coils, flying cars, and > robot servants... > maybe mad social science can get us better rules to > live by. > Religion has already long demonstrated the failure and inadequacy of commandments alone. Effective treatment will likely require more than such a prescription. > Bob > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > Indeed, Bob, exactly what and how much of your > > observations exceed shop worn > > common knowledge? Can we even hope to offend anyone? > > And to make it really > > interesting, and in keeping with the spirit of mad > > science, are we just > > talking about the weather, or do we so much as > > contemplate modification of > > the climate? > > From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Feb 16 02:50:54 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Feb 15 19:50:56 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050216003348.82039.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Feb 15, 2005 04:33:48 PM Message-ID: <20050216025054.55393.qmail@mall-net.com> > 1.) I am a mad scientist that occasionaly enjoys > working with mad social science. I'll remember to lock the doors before you come visit my rat colony. (Laughing! Remember the NIH overcrowding experiments? And how the water fountain that required two mice to operate it kept that colony sane vs the other colony? I think it's money working like that dual-mouse water fountain that keeps Western Civilization sane vs the lack thereof in the socialist realms.) > 2.) Most of the fandom population is specifically > *not* on my list of possible assistants. not even for > the role of igor-the-slovenly. (on the other hand, > some of the ladies I've met in the anime cons might be > fit the role of cheesecake in lab coat...) Ah. (How do you get fans???) > 3.) At the moment, my shop is in storage, as my wife > and I are house hunting. Once we've a house in > Connecticut, I can start working from my project list. > Not much chance of a mountain top... but some of the > woods are appropriately dark and spooky. Connecticut. I grew up near Waterbury. (Am in Califaultia now) Have you ever been out to visit P & D Surplus in Kingston, off Abeel Street??? Are they still there? Or Meshna and B & F in Boston area? Alex Statkus in... ... was interesting, but he died some 20 years ago. > 4.) The anime fans might pay to see robots. If you can > build power armor (any size that will fit them, or > bigger) some will pay new car prices. Fascinating Idea! Fans so lacking in self identity, that you can sell them Identity! Now that really Is a Mad Scientist Idea!!! -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Feb 16 04:45:50 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Feb 15 21:45:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: from "Aaron Agassi" at Feb 15, 2005 09:30:52 PM Message-ID: <20050216044550.28529.qmail@mall-net.com> > > Your experiences and mine are a little bit richer than > > the standard fan, or the standard poster here. Our > > broader knowledge base gives us a perspective that few > > have. in actuality, it would appear that many people > > do not realize how few of the hands-on engineers (I > > throw machinists in the mix, as well) there are in > > fandom. > > Indeed, the question had not occurred to me. But I'm not an engineer, > either. Indeed, I would value serious engineering contacts, especially > prospective collaborators patentable concept that therefore I have not > showcased on FoolQuest.com And I have already struck out on a robotics list. I am a professional software engineer / consulting systems analyst, in case anyone is interested. I can read schematics, can lay out some hardware, but that's not what I do well. It's designing the software, modeling the hardware interactions in my mind, then describing the appropriate actions to a dumb computer. I like to make AI systems, as then there is a better chance things will actually work when the system is subject to the unexpected. And... have been interested in robotics since I was... maybe 6 years old. Certainly by age 9! So if you are interested... > >Nor do they realize the number of pagans, or > > the number of people needing some help with hygeine > > and social skills (the awfuls of carolingia make the > > case for me...) It would appear that many people will > > say that an answer to something is common knowledge, > > after the answer is given. Just because someone is Pagan does not mean he is not smart, clean, etc. That said, most aren't. But there are conservative Republican Pagans out there! Pantheacon is this weekend in San Jose. > > To the best of my knowledge, after completing the > > first phase of a literature review, not one paper has > > been written on the population of science fiction > > fandom, and the proportion of abused/neglected people > > therein. > > > I'll bet you're right! But given the sad prevalence of abuse and neglect in > our sad sick world at large, what will provide a fair index for comparison? > What are the control groups? People not well connected with reality come in several flavors... I remember when they discovered serotonin chemistry was prevalent in criminals, they were interested in putting all low serotonin people, especially kids, in some kind of preventative therapy... till they discovered that Engineers and Scientists are also prone to have low serotonin chemistry. Not to mention us programming types who have to be not too confident in what we do so that we will actually TEST it for bugs, hidden interaction effects, etc. I mean, to be really good at software, you have to be borderline paranoid (about bugs, correctness of the specs they give you, etc.) and almost insociably persistent in beating your head against the computer to get all the itsy bitsy little things right. Molloy (Dress for Success, which by the way is all based on experiments), did a study for one company on what makes a really superior engineer. It's not the bright eyed outgoing type personnel hires in a flash, it's the slightly withdrawn guys who consider books their best friends. the guys whom personnel does NOT like to hire. He put that in his "Beating the Competition" book. The guy knows what he is talking about! He more than doubled my income when I started looking at clothing as social tools, symbols, etc. And there is that famous scene in Lawrence of Arabia where he points to his head and says it is written in here. As the saying goes, it is the people who are not well connected with reality who are the ones dragging the rest of humanity, kicking and screaming, forward to the future. > > The area that I am trying to examine is the severe > > social sea change between what fandom started as (very > > much like a group of fledgling mad scientists), what > > it mutated into, and then what it hived off. Somewhere > > around the 50's (it may coincide with the beat > > movement) much of fandom changed: the rocketry geeks > > left, the home hobbyists left, and the magickal people > > all but invaded. > > > Surely there are other culprits, indeed including the most staunchly > traditional fen. > > Also, who are the ones you call "psycho-gamers," do you mean the incessant > yentas and shameless bullies? He may mean Multi-User-Dungeon (MUD) types. I have one for a client right now, trying to build a better MUD for him and his followers. Some of them are nuts! But then, so were a lot of those who paid for the expansion of the Internet -- pornographers. I was a model rocketry geek, building rockets more to prove my understanding about how things worked, than just the thrill of seeing them launched. The most valuable skills I got out of that that was how to run corporate meetings... NOT at all what I expected! > > Of course, the 60's showed fandom creating the Society > > for Consenting Adults --- er, I mean, the Society for > > Creative Anachronism. They've a part in the paper as > > well. Interesting bunch. Slightly devoid of something... but I knew some people who were into it in the late 60's. It was a cheap way of impressing others. Knitting chain mail didn't appeal to me, and no one wanted to collaborate with me on other more mad alchemist imagery, so I went back to the computer lab. > > if mad science gives us tesla coils, flying cars, and > > robot servants... > > maybe mad social science can get us better rules to > > live by. > > > Religion has already long demonstrated the failure and inadequacy of > commandments alone. Effective treatment will likely require more than such a > prescription. Interesting how the golden rule was proven by modeling various behavioral rule sets using evolutionary "cell" simulations. Rule based cellular automata systems are an interesting way to explore things like this. I think we should do more of it. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From agassi at erols.com Wed Feb 16 00:02:28 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 15 22:02:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050216044550.28529.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of > javilk@mall-net.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:46 PM > To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > Your experiences and mine are a little bit richer than > > > the standard fan, or the standard poster here. Our > > > broader knowledge base gives us a perspective that few > > > have. in actuality, it would appear that many people > > > do not realize how few of the hands-on engineers (I > > > throw machinists in the mix, as well) there are in > > > fandom. > > > > Indeed, the question had not occurred to me. But I'm not an engineer, > > either. Indeed, I would value serious engineering contacts, especially > > prospective collaborators patentable concept that therefore I have not > > showcased on FoolQuest.com And I have already struck out on a > robotics list. > > I am a professional software engineer / consulting systems analyst, > in case anyone is interested. I can read schematics, can lay out some > hardware, but that's not what I do well. It's designing the software, > modeling the hardware interactions in my mind, then describing the > appropriate actions to a dumb computer. I like to make AI systems, as > then there is a better chance things will actually work when the system > is subject to the unexpected. > > And... have been interested in robotics since I was... maybe 6 > years old. Certainly by age 9! So if you are interested... > Anything of interest to you on http://www.FoolQuest.com ? > > >Nor do they realize the number of pagans, or > > > the number of people needing some help with hygeine > > > and social skills (the awfuls of carolingia make the > > > case for me...) It would appear that many people will > > > say that an answer to something is common knowledge, > > > after the answer is given. > > Just because someone is Pagan does not mean he is not smart, clean, > etc. That said, most aren't. But there are conservative Republican > Pagans out there! Pantheacon is this weekend in San Jose. > > > > To the best of my knowledge, after completing the > > > first phase of a literature review, not one paper has > > > been written on the population of science fiction > > > fandom, and the proportion of abused/neglected people > > > therein. > > > > > I'll bet you're right! But given the sad prevalence of abuse > and neglect in > > our sad sick world at large, what will provide a fair index for > comparison? > > What are the control groups? > > People not well connected with reality come in several flavors... > I suppose that might make one set of control groups, but not quite the point I had in mind... > I remember when they discovered serotonin chemistry was prevalent > in criminals, they were interested in putting all low serotonin people, > especially kids, in some kind of preventative therapy... till they > discovered that Engineers and Scientists are also prone to have low > serotonin chemistry. Not to mention us programming types who have to be > not too confident in what we do so that we will actually TEST it for > bugs, hidden interaction effects, etc. I mean, to be really good at > software, you have to be borderline paranoid (about bugs, correctness of > the specs they give you, etc.) and almost insociably persistent in > beating your head against the computer to get all the itsy bitsy little > things right. > Ah, the myth of Endogeny! > Molloy (Dress for Success, which by the way is all based on > experiments), did a study for one company on what makes a really > superior engineer. It's not the bright eyed outgoing type personnel > hires in a flash, it's the slightly withdrawn guys who consider books > their best friends. the guys whom personnel does NOT like to hire. He > put that in his "Beating the Competition" book. The guy knows what he > is talking about! He more than doubled my income when I started looking > at clothing as social tools, symbols, etc. > > And there is that famous scene in Lawrence of Arabia where he > points to his head and says it is written in here. > > As the saying goes, it is the people who are not well connected > with reality who are the ones dragging the rest of humanity, kicking and > screaming, forward to the future. > Ah, well, then let's have at it! Still, me thinks ye have drifted off from the point, javilk. The question had to do with human interaction, physical environment. > > > The area that I am trying to examine is the severe > > > social sea change between what fandom started as (very > > > much like a group of fledgling mad scientists), what > > > it mutated into, and then what it hived off. Somewhere > > > around the 50's (it may coincide with the beat > > > movement) much of fandom changed: the rocketry geeks > > > left, the home hobbyists left, and the magickal people > > > all but invaded. > > > > > Surely there are other culprits, indeed including the most staunchly > > traditional fen. > > > > Also, who are the ones you call "psycho-gamers," do you mean > the incessant > > yentas and shameless bullies? > > He may mean Multi-User-Dungeon (MUD) types. Indeed? As distinct from rpg? >I have one for a client > right now, trying to build a better MUD for him and his followers. > Some of them are nuts! But then, so were a lot of those who paid for > the expansion of the Internet -- pornographers. > > I was a model rocketry geek, building rockets more to prove my > understanding about how things worked, than just the thrill of seeing > them launched. The most valuable skills I got out of that that was how > to run corporate meetings... NOT at all what I expected! > > > > Of course, the 60's showed fandom creating the Society > > > for Consenting Adults --- er, I mean, the Society for > > > Creative Anachronism. They've a part in the paper as > > > well. > > Interesting bunch. Slightly devoid of something... but I knew some > people who were into it in the late 60's. It was a cheap way of > impressing others. Knitting chain mail didn't appeal to me, and no one > wanted to collaborate with me on other more mad alchemist imagery, so I > went back to the computer lab. > > > > if mad science gives us tesla coils, flying cars, and > > > robot servants... > > > maybe mad social science can get us better rules to > > > live by. > > > > > Religion has already long demonstrated the failure and inadequacy of > > commandments alone. Effective treatment will likely require > more than such a > > prescription. > > Interesting how the golden rule was proven by modeling various > behavioral rule sets using evolutionary "cell" simulations. > > Rule based cellular automata systems are an interesting way to > explore things like this. I think we should do more of it. > No serious model omits the clear advantages of predation and parasitism. > -javilk- mall-net.com > ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- > --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- > ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- > -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- > Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 > ----------------------------------------------------- > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, > Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Feb 16 05:46:50 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Feb 15 22:46:53 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: from "Aaron Agassi" at Feb 16, 2005 12:02:28 AM Message-ID: <20050216054650.19086.qmail@mall-net.com> > > > Indeed, the question had not occurred to me. But I'm not an engineer, > > > either. Indeed, I would value serious engineering contacts, especially > > I am a professional software engineer / consulting systems analyst, > > in case anyone is interested. I can read schematics, can lay out some > > And... have been interested in robotics since I was... maybe 6 > > years old. Certainly by age 9! So if you are interested... > > > Anything of interest to you on http://www.FoolQuest.com ? Nice pages, BUT... Your invisible upper page structure is crap, resulting in most search engines downgrading your content. (Another area I work with.) Also not clear just what you are up to till further than I've gone so far. I'd suggest some clear navigation bars, topical areas up front, etc. Remember, although most search engines come in through the front door, they let your visitors in through the windows, roof, etc. Write off-list for further advice. Professional Courtesy. > > > >Nor do they realize the number of pagans, or > > > > the number of people needing some help with hygeine > > > > and social skills (the awfuls of carolingia make the > > > > case for me...) It would appear that many people will > > > > say that an answer to something is common knowledge, > > > > after the answer is given. Ah yes, The Barony of Carolingia. Know anyone named Greg Warner? I've lost track of him. Heck of an interesting guy in the early 70's. > > People not well connected with reality come in several flavors... > I suppose that might make one set of control groups, but not quite the point > I had in mind... You need an average mix in a good control group. > > I remember when they discovered serotonin chemistry was prevalent > > in criminals, they were interested in putting all low serotonin people, > > especially kids, in some kind of preventative therapy... till they > > discovered that Engineers and Scientists are also prone to have low > > serotonin chemistry. Not to mention us programming types who have to be > > not too confident in what we do so that we will actually TEST it for > > bugs, hidden interaction effects, etc. I mean, to be really good at > > software, you have to be borderline paranoid (about bugs, correctness of > > the specs they give you, etc.) and almost insociably persistent in > > beating your head against the computer to get all the itsy bitsy little > > things right. > > > Ah, the myth of Endogeny! Not familiar with that, I can guess, but I'd rather someone told me what it really is rather than guessing wrong. > > As the saying goes, it is the people who are not well connected > > with reality who are the ones dragging the rest of humanity, kicking and > > screaming, forward to the future. > > > Ah, well, then let's have at it! Well, all we can do is toss things up in the air. The early adopters will do the rest. Does not hurt to make the stuff more tractable by them, though... a little mistake on my part when I invented the first web-type browser in 1982... And some "minor" marketing mistakes... > Still, me thinks ye have drifted off from the point, javilk. The question > had to do with human interaction, physical environment. We can consider All interactions mental, even when hit over the head... Certainly the reactions are. > > > Also, who are the ones you call "psycho-gamers," do you mean > > the incessant > > > yentas and shameless bullies? > > > > He may mean Multi-User-Dungeon (MUD) types. > > Indeed? As distinct from rpg? Despite my clients, I don't really see the distinction between RPG, MUD, etc. Or perhaps more properly, don't know what the labels mean to those in the trade. > > Interesting how the golden rule was proven by modeling various > > behavioral rule sets using evolutionary "cell" simulations. > > > > Rule based cellular automata systems are an interesting way to > > explore things like this. I think we should do more of it. > > > No serious model omits the clear advantages of predation and parasitism. Those tend to evolve. Remember, a parasite does not help itself by killing its host. At least not quickly. But if too pervasive and contagious, it extincts the host and itself. The modeling I read about started with a mix of "do unto others as they do unto you", "cheat", "respond in kind", etc. Although the golden rule cells remained a minority for a long, long time, eventually they came out ahead. The ones that did better were those that used the golden rule first, THEN respond in kind. (I suspect that reduced the viability of the cheaters more than added to the viability of the Gold-then-kind cells.) -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Wed Feb 16 16:36:46 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Wed Feb 16 17:36:58 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050217003647.5566.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com> 1.) the fact that it doesn't occur to you, as well as others who've had experiences with the fen speaks volumes. The original fen could have been batch labeled as A.C. Gilbert's "wide awake boys" (nerds of all trades). the fact that the rocketry geeks left in just shy of 1940, and the home hobbyists left before 1956 (best date I can get so far, no definite date other than that) agaqin speaks volumes. 2.) well said regarding Socrates. 3.) The numbers I have been working with regarding abused and neglected people is from the DOJ, Via Vachss.com. According to that site 38% of all women and 10% of all men have been physically and/or sexually abused. I guess that would be our control group. From the list of behaviors (more importantly, the complexes of behaviors shown) in fandom - as described in the PART-R training manual put out via the department of education of Massachusetts - at least 75% of fandom is or has been abused. Welcome to midian. 4.) the "psycho-gamers" are those who constantly need someone to pla y twisted little mind games with. a yenta just wants to have a bitch session. The bullies come in different flavors. the psycho-gamers seem to have this major league addiction to disruptive behavior, dirty politics, and a damn near genius level ability at reframing things to make themselves look like the victim of mean-spirited attacks. 5.) Instead of "thou Shalt," I was thinking of things more in the line of "if X happens, in Y context, you may want to consider using one of these options" Bob --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > Indeed, the question had not occurred to me. But I'm > not an engineer, either. Indeed, I would value serious engineering > contacts, especially prospective collaborators patentable concept > that therefore I have not showcased on FoolQuest.com And I have > already struck out on a robotics list. > Socrates asserted the importance of knowing that one does not > know. But the scope and nature of the available information can > also be of manifest import. > I'll bet you're right! But given the sad prevalence of abuse and > neglect in our sad sick world at large, what will provide a fair index > for comparison? What are the control groups? > Surely there are other culprits, indeed including the most staunchly > traditional fen. > > Also, who are the ones you call "psycho-gamers," do you mean the > incessant yentas and shameless bullies? > > Religion has already long demonstrated the failure and inadequacy > of commandments alone. Effective treatment will > likely require more than such a prescription. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Wed Feb 16 16:46:11 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Wed Feb 16 17:46:23 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050216054650.19086.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050217004611.91265.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> 1.) I'm sorry to say that I have never met Greg Warner. I made a few friends in Carolingia, and have a small oil tanker full of very bad memories. With luck, I shall never have to deal with the vast majority of evil, twisted, sick, fascistic creeps in that barony ever again. (takes axe from grindstone...) 2.) I have been using published numbers from the DOJ for my control groups, as well as the difference in observable behaviors as seen in the fan run media cons, and the anime cons. 3.) LAN parties aside, a MUD is a computer mediated RPG, whereas (for most gamers) an RPG means sitting down at a table and facing the other players. Bob --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > Ah yes, The Barony of Carolingia. Know anyone > named Greg Warner? > I've lost track of him. Heck of an interesting guy > in the early 70's. > You need an average mix in a good control > group. > > Well, all we can do is toss things up in the > air. The early > adopters will do the rest. Does not hurt to make > the stuff more > tractable by them, though... a little mistake on my > part when I > invented the first web-type browser in 1982... And > some "minor" > marketing mistakes... > > We can consider All interactions mental, even > when hit over the > head... Certainly the reactions are. > > Despite my clients, I don't really see the > distinction between RPG, > MUD, etc. Or perhaps more properly, don't know what > the labels mean to > those in the trade. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From agassi at erols.com Wed Feb 16 21:53:52 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Wed Feb 16 19:55:02 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050217003647.5566.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:37 PM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > 1.) the fact that it doesn't occur to you, as well as > others who've had experiences with the fen speaks > volumes. The original fen could have been batch > labeled as A.C. Gilbert's "wide awake boys" (nerds of > all trades). the fact that the rocketry geeks left in > just shy of 1940, and the home hobbyists left before > 1956 (best date I can get so far, no definite date > other than that) agaqin speaks volumes. > My own experience begins some time after that. > 2.) well said regarding Socrates. > > 3.) The numbers I have been working with regarding > abused and neglected people is from the DOJ, Via > Vachss.com. According to that site 38% of all women > and 10% of all men have been physically and/or > sexually abused. I guess that would be our control > group. A good start. >From the list of behaviors (more importantly, > the complexes of behaviors shown) in fandom - as > described in the PART-R training manual put out via > the department of education of Massachusetts - at > least 75% of fandom is or has been abused. Welcome to > midian. > > 4.) the "psycho-gamers" are those who constantly need > someone to pla y twisted little mind games with. a > yenta just wants to have a bitch session. The bullies > come in different flavors. the psycho-gamers seem to > have this major league addiction to disruptive > behavior, dirty politics, and a damn near genius level > ability at reframing things to make themselves look > like the victim of mean-spirited attacks. > Sounds about right! > 5.) Instead of "thou Shalt," I was thinking of things > more in the line of "if X happens, in Y context, you > may want to consider using one of these options" > Advice is seldom better taken than commandments. I dare say that I myself am the more serious about social engineering. Interested? > Bob > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > Indeed, the question had not occurred to me. But I'm > > not an engineer, either. Indeed, I would value > serious engineering > > contacts, especially prospective collaborators > patentable concept > > that therefore I have not showcased on FoolQuest.com > And I have > > already struck out on a robotics list. > > > Socrates asserted the importance of knowing that one > does not > > know. But the scope and nature of the available > information can > > also be of manifest import. > > > I'll bet you're right! But given the sad prevalence > of abuse and > > neglect in our sad sick world at large, what will > provide a fair index > for comparison? What are the > control groups? > > > Surely there are other culprits, indeed including > the most staunchly > > traditional fen. > > > > Also, who are the ones you call "psycho-gamers," do > you mean the > > incessant yentas and shameless bullies? > > > > Religion has already long demonstrated the failure > and inadequacy > > of commandments alone. Effective treatment will > > likely require more than such a prescription. > > From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Feb 16 19:02:17 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Feb 16 20:02:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Is there anybody out there? Message-ID: <20050217030218.52238.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> To whoever concerned, Is there anybody out there? Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From droscoe at cogeco.ca Wed Feb 16 22:41:20 2005 From: droscoe at cogeco.ca (Dave Roscoe) Date: Wed Feb 16 20:40:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is anyone out there? Message-ID: <02ee01c514a2$8b39ddd0$6501a8c0@stan> I am out here. I don't remember how I found the Mad Scientist web page but I though I would subscribe as I consider myself to be a mad scientist in spirit if not in practice. I am a programmer/analyst by day and an amateur astronomer by night. I am not a gamer. I have been trying to follow the recent dialogue regarding social engineering, yentas and bullies, etc but I must admit I am feeling a little out of my depth. I'll just hang in and "lurk" for a while if you guys don't mind. Dave Roscoe North Bay ON Canada droscoe@cogeco.ca From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Feb 17 03:50:47 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Feb 16 20:50:49 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050217004611.91265.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Feb 16, 2005 04:46:11 PM Message-ID: <20050217035047.58407.qmail@mall-net.com> > 1.) I'm sorry to say that I have never met Greg > Warner. I made a few friends in Carolingia, and have a > small oil tanker full of very bad memories. With luck, > I shall never have to deal with the vast majority of > evil, twisted, sick, fascistic creeps in that barony > ever again. (takes axe from grindstone...) Then he probably left befor you got there! Very decent fellow. > 2.) I have been using published numbers from the DOJ > for my control groups, as well as the difference in > observable behaviors as seen in the fan run media > cons, and the anime cons. DOJ numbers??? What, percentage of people in prison? > 3.) LAN parties aside, a MUD is a computer mediated > RPG, whereas (for most gamers) an RPG means sitting > down at a table and facing the other players. AH! Thanks for the clarification. Just about everything I do is via computer. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Feb 17 03:54:09 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Feb 16 20:54:11 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is anyone out there? In-Reply-To: <02ee01c514a2$8b39ddd0$6501a8c0@stan> from "Dave Roscoe" at Feb 16, 2005 10:41:20 PM Message-ID: <20050217035409.64873.qmail@mall-net.com> > > I am out here. > > I don't remember how I found the Mad Scientist web page but I though I would subscribe as I consider myself to be a mad > scientist in spirit if not in practice. I am a programmer/analyst by day and an amateur astronomer by night. I am not a > gamer. I'm not a gamer either; but have a client who is. > I have been trying to follow the recent dialogue regarding social engineering, yentas and bullies, etc but I must admit > I am feeling a little out of my depth. Look, would it be any fun discussing things you know??? You wouldn't learn anything that way! > I'll just hang in and "lurk" for a while if you guys don't mind. Ask Questions!!! How else can the rest of us learn what we don't know??? Remember. Knowledge is the enemy of learning. If you think you know it, you won't learn it! -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From droscoe at cogeco.ca Wed Feb 16 23:35:17 2005 From: droscoe at cogeco.ca (Dave Roscoe) Date: Wed Feb 16 21:34:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Is anyone out there? References: <20050217035409.64873.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <02fd01c514aa$14e33e80$6501a8c0@stan> Point taken. And an excellent point well made. I promise I'll ask questions. Soon. Dave Roscoe North Bay ON Canada droscoe@cogeco.ca > > I am out here. > > I don't remember how I found the Mad Scientist web page but I though I would subscribe as I consider myself to be a > mad > scientist in spirit if not in practice. I am a programmer/analyst by day and an amateur astronomer by night. I am not > a > gamer. I'm not a gamer either; but have a client who is. > I have been trying to follow the recent dialogue regarding social engineering, yentas and bullies, etc but I must > admit > I am feeling a little out of my depth. Look, would it be any fun discussing things you know??? You wouldn't learn anything that way! > I'll just hang in and "lurk" for a while if you guys don't mind. Ask Questions!!! How else can the rest of us learn what we don't know??? Remember. Knowledge is the enemy of learning. If you think you know it, you won't learn it! -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Feb 16 21:21:20 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Feb 16 22:21:29 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Message-ID: <20050217052120.14819.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Roscoe, I am glad that I finally got a contactee out there. It's like sending out a beacon, and getting no response, up until now, but finally receiving a response. I don't know about anything regarding the yenta talk, and the bully talk, but I have stated my scientific interests already, yet I haven't got any feedback concerning them, if anyone else out there has similar interests, and I am growing tired of having to repeat myself to others every time 'that I sign on'. One of my interests that I forgot to mention, in an e-mail response to a mad scientist postee, named; Javilk, is regarding crude artificial intelligence, based on chaotic nervous systems/electronic chaos. I have interests also in analog modular sound synthesizers too, for the production of frequency modulated, ethereal audio spectrum sinewave frequency sweeping and warping sound effects, and also in audio clocks, chaos audio sound synthesis, and speech synthesizers used with vocoders too. I have wanted to build a working high powered, large scale Tesla coil for so many years now, but have been shelved, due to money limitations, because of the expensiveness of building high quality high voltage electrical capacitors for the Tesla coil. My major setback has been in the construction of a high quality, high voltage capacitor, for a good functioning Tesla coil. My original Tesla coil project failed due to an H.V. cap that I purchased, and later, after all of my frustration, I found out that the capacitor wasn't the correct type, for a Tesla coil application, so I wasted $350.00, on a useless cap, that I purchased through a company in the Thomas Register, and couldn't get my money back, for the cap. I could say more about that, but I won't, due to the lack of time right now. I am currently pondering, using a Tesla coil, to modulate a Theremin synthesizer, to produce ethereal sinewave chaos sound effects, to mimic the sound functions of nature, in the V.L.F (very low frequency) portion of the E.M. spectrum, where audio frequency, and radio frequency, are the same. I hope to be able to do some graveyard experiments, in the future too, with my V.L.F. audio spectrum radio receiver kit, that I purchased from North Country Radio, in New York. I have interests in low power F.M. radio broadcasting too, and partook in the micro radio movement, back in 2000, to 2001, but the F.C.C. field engineers from the Dallas enforcement branch showed up, told me to shut my station down, and threatened me with a fine, so I complied, and shut down my unlicenced L.P.F.M. operation. I am an amateur radio operator, and got my start with C.B., but I have lost my interest in the high frequency communications in amateur radio because it is mostly commercialism, and bullshit talk. And since I cannot operate my low power F.M. station legally, it causes me severe stress, and I have now lost my patriotism for this now divided country, of America. So I am really mad, and am also a perfectionist too, which makes me even madder, when things go wrong. Especially at work, when things go wrong, and my blood boils, my temperature rises to nuclear white hot anger, and I smash, cuss, kick, and throw things around; (I hope I haven't scared any customers though,) but I am certain that there have probably been many customers that have heard me go mad, with nuclear anger, at times when things go wrong, and customers that have heard me cuss out loud. I am also interested in anti gravity; (gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion); suppressed technologies; energy, medical, medicinal and suppressed cures for diseases. Suppressed simply, by greed. Well, you mentioned that you are interested in astronomy. I like astronomy too, even though I can't afford a deep space hunter telescope, like the one that Art Bell advertizes, from Hardin Optical. I requested a Hardin Optical catalog, but unfortunately, I cannot afford a deep space hunter scope, otherwise, I would get one, and stargaze, and galaxygaze. I purchased a poster last year of the Hubble Telescope Deep Field, from Novaspace Galleries, that you may already be familiar with; galaxies as far as the scope can see. This is where I have trouble with convention science, that says that the universe is both expanding, and that the universe has an edge limit. Convention science, for the most part, is endless commercialism, on scientific theories, which is pretty much the same as propaganda, to establish belief systems, and likewise, cult-like followings. My arguement is, and constantly has been, as follows: Just as telescopes cannot measure both the infinite, and the absolute, forever, neither can microscopes measure the infinitesimely small, forever, either. The big bang is a complete crock, because it is absolutely impossible for order, for life, and for intelligent life, to spring forth, out of nuclear chaos. I want to build a tetrahedral spaceship too; (commonly known in the U.F.O. community, as; triangle ships). But I am not Bill Gates, Burt Rutan, or Dean Kamen, or even Ozzy Osbourne. I am not wealthy. Maybe I will never be wealthy, but I want to leave this cursed planet that is on the verge of the war war three, being played out by the occult powers that be; the secreat societies; like Skull And Bones, and the modern pacifism of Freemasonry, and other worldwide secret players in the god games on the entire global political scene, playing the blind, dumb, American labrat lemmings in their globalism god games. I am ready to build a perfect, minimalistic, yet high tech spaceship, and leave this cursed planet, and this now cursed country, behind, even if it means only going into low earth orbit, taking a cyanide pill with me, and when the oxygen supply runs low, calling it quits on life, and letting the spaceship, and myself take our natural downward spiral back to earth, and completely burn up upon re-entry. Well I am going to leave off here. I don't have enough time at the moment to go back and do grammatical, and spelling error corrections as I generally do in the majority of my e-mails. It'd be cool if you, and/or others out there will respond back. The topics that I have mentioned in this mail aren't the only areas of interest, but I just don't have the time to repeat myself every time that I send out an e-mail, to post. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050216/8d4e280f/attachment-0001.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Feb 17 06:40:44 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Feb 16 23:40:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. In-Reply-To: <20050217052120.14819.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 16, 2005 09:21:20 PM Message-ID: <20050217064044.45782.qmail@mall-net.com> > I have interests also in analog > modular sound synthesizers too, > for the production of frequency > modulated, ethereal audio > spectrum sinewave frequency > sweeping and warping sound > effects, and also in audio clocks, I've played with both computer generated sounds via a resistive ladder on a parallel port (run Linux, not Windows, or better yet, just run plain DOS.) The software and hardware is trivial. (Ok, for someone who knows Assembler or uses the DOS utility DDT, it is trivial. For others...) Later, I got a used sweep signal generator for this, surplus at a ham fest. Much better! only paid $65, I think it was. But you can buy kits for less. > my patriotism for this now > divided country, of America. Yes, but elsewhere we'd be hung for treason, heresy, or some other reason. America has it's flaws, but it's not a bad place to be! Else why would so many try to get in? > So I am really mad, and > am also a perfectionist too, > which makes me even > madder, when things go > wrong. When things to wrong at work, I alway say "That's Interesting! Why did it do that???" And with that, the world, and the work becomes even more interesting. > Especially at work, when > things go wrong, and my > blood boils, my temperature > rises to nuclear white hot > anger, and I smash, cuss, > kick, and throw things > around; (I hope I haven't > scared any customers > though,) but I am certain > that there have probably > been many customers that > have heard me go mad, > with nuclear anger, at > times when things go > wrong, and customers > that have heard me cuss > out loud. Very simple cure for a lot of this stuff, based on personal experience and observations of others, is _Adequate_ doses of vitamin C. Relaxes one, improves mental focus; and when enough niacin powder is added, one feels good, optimistic, etc. Not so optimistic one can't program... but that sense of self and ability is there, chomping at the bit for a good mental run! Basically, our western diets are not too hot. If you don't give your computer's CPU enough voltage, it doesn't work too well. Same for the brain. Vitamin C article by a "mad" doctor: http://www.mall-net.com/cathcart/titrate.html I mean, we wouldn't want you to blow a gasket before you became truly mad, would we? > I like astronomy too, even > though I can't afford > a deep space hunter > telescope, like the one > that Art Bell advertizes, > from Hardin Optical. I too, find astronomy fascinating, but I couldn't get them to loan me the Hubble. However... couple of sites that are almost as good. at http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html -- some Hubble pictures! http://www.hubblesite.org/ -- lots of Hubble pictures! Problem is, most of these stars take a LONG time to go nova. And smashing two Chevy Novas together just doesn't cut it. Even if they are driven 90 mph by robots. > Convention science, for > the most part, is endless > commercialism, on > scientific theories, which > is pretty much the same > as propaganda, to > establish belief systems, > and likewise, cult-like > followings. I don't know about that. Some interesting stuff is being done. And some interesting mistakes are being made in energy calculation! Ah well... if you don't try, you'll never succeed. > The big bang is a complete > crock, because it is absolutely > impossible for order, for life, > and for intelligent life, to spring > forth, out of nuclear chaos. I am here, so it must be possible, via some means, to create life, maybe even intelligent life. If we pass for intelligent life. And we probably do. > I am ready to build a > perfect, minimalistic, yet > high tech spaceship, and > leave this cursed planet, > and this now cursed country, > behind, even if it means > only going into low earth > orbit, taking a cyanide > pill with me, and when > the oxygen supply runs > low, calling it quits on > life, and letting the > spaceship, and myself Why??? (You really do need niacin and C!) I find so much around me fascinating, that I would like to live forever! There is just not enough time to see it all! http://www.mall-net.com/today/ One other interesting experiment, I made a Helmholtz (sp?) field generator, three one foot diameter coils of 23, 19, and 23 turns spaced one foot from top to bottom using wooden knitting needle hoops and magnet wire. Putting a Schuman frequency (7.83hz) signal on that from my signal generator, I could create something twice the strength of the warble of the geomagnetic field, which some say many biological systems use as a clock. I stuck my head in that thing. It was as if someone came and washed off my glasses! What I believe it does, is unify and synchronize the low frequency firings in the brain, increasing harmony and the sense of well being. In other words, re-sync the clocks in the brain hemispheres. What that does, is allow one to think deeper, think better, and FEEL one heck of a lot better! It also normalizes body temperature (I tend to run low.) Some things like this are written up in the book "Mega Brain Power by" Hutchinson. The therapy has been used by some doctor in New Rochelle for various brain problems ranging from PSTD to Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. Short of that, blinking lights of that frequency can also help synch the brain clocks; but I found that to be much, much harsher than the magnetic field technique. (Melatonin, available at many health food stores, also helps improve the body's capacity to regulate itself via the body clock.) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From nanobabe at hotmail.com Thu Feb 17 16:13:07 2005 From: nanobabe at hotmail.com (Terri L) Date: Thu Feb 17 09:14:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Is there anybody out there? In-Reply-To: <20050217030218.52238.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then I guess I was back momentar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of Terri L Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:13 AM To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Is there anybody out there? I am out here. I have nothing to contribute...yet. Cheers! T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050217/7a406973/attachment.htm From FMoore at POCO.com Thu Feb 17 11:55:53 2005 From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank) Date: Thu Feb 17 10:56:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Is there anybody out there? Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C97471DCBA5@pzisexch.poco.com> Feel free to call me anything... Just don't call me late to dinner. ;-') Frank F. Moore Project Scientist Poco Graphite, Inc. 300 Old Greenwood Rd. Decatur, TX 76234 Ph: 940-393-4360 Fax: 940-393-8383 FMoore@poco.com ________________________________ From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of Dave Roscoe Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:45 AM To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Is there anybody out there? Perhaps we should call you Frank Moore-or-Less, then. Dave Roscoe North Bay ON Canada droscoe@cogeco.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Moore, Frank To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Is there anybody out there? I was here. But I keep fading in and out of reality. If this message gets through... Then I guess I was back momentar ________________________________ From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of Terri L Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:13 AM To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Is there anybody out there? I am out here. I have nothing to contribute...yet. Cheers! T ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists ________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050217/38386e4f/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 15:38:31 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Feb 17 16:38:43 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Message-ID: <20050217233831.94448.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Roscoe, I am glad that I finally got a contactee out there. It's like sending out a beacon, and getting no response, up until now, but finally receiving a response. I don't know about anything regarding the yenta talk, and the bully talk, but I have stated my scientific interests already, yet I haven't got any feedback concerning them, if anyone else out there has similar interests, and I am growing tired of having to repeat myself to others every time 'that I sign on'. One of my interests that I forgot to mention, in an e-mail response to a mad scientist postee, named; Javilk, is regarding crude artificial intelligence, based on chaotic nervous systems/electronic chaos. I have interests also in analog modular sound synthesizers too, for the production of frequency modulated, ethereal audio spectrum sinewave frequency sweeping and warping sound effects, and also in audio clocks, chaos audio sound synthesis, and speech synthesizers used with vocoders too. I have wanted to build a working high powered, large scale Tesla coil for so many years now, but have been shelved, due to money limitations, because of the expensiveness of building high quality high voltage electrical capacitors for the Tesla coil. My major setback has been in the construction of a high quality, high voltage capacitor, for a good functioning Tesla coil. My original Tesla coil project failed due to an H.V. cap that I purchased, and later, after all of my frustration, I found out that the capacitor wasn't the correct type, for a Tesla coil application, so I wasted $350.00, on a useless cap, that I purchased through a company in the Thomas Register, and couldn't get my money back, for the cap. I could say more about that, but I won't, due to the lack of time right now. I am currently pondering, using a Tesla coil, to modulate a Theremin synthesizer, to produce ethereal sinewave chaos sound effects, to mimic the sound functions of nature, in the V.L.F (very low frequency) portion of the E.M. spectrum, where audio frequency, and radio frequency, are the same. I hope to be able to do some graveyard experiments, in the future too, with my V.L.F. audio spectrum radio receiver kit, that I purchased from North Country Radio, in New York. I have interests in low power F.M. radio broadcasting too, and partook in the micro radio movement, back in 2000, to 2001, but the F.C.C. field engineers from the Dallas enforcement branch showed up, told me to shut my station down, and threatened me with a fine, so I complied, and shut down my unlicenced L.P.F.M. operation. I am an amateur radio operator, and got my start with C.B., but I have lost my interest in the high frequency communications in amateur radio because it is mostly commercialism, and bullshit talk. And since I cannot operate my low power F.M. station legally, it causes me severe stress, and I have now lost my patriotism for this now divided country, of America. So I am really mad, and am also a perfectionist too, which makes me even madder, when things go wrong. Especially at work, when things go wrong, and my blood boils, my temperature rises to nuclear white hot anger, and I smash, cuss, kick, and throw things around; (I hope I haven't scared any customers though,) but I am certain that there have probably been many customers that have heard me go mad, with nuclear anger, at times when things go wrong, and customers that have heard me cuss out loud. I am also interested in anti gravity; (gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion); suppressed technologies; energy, medical, medicinal and suppressed cures for diseases. Suppressed simply, by greed. Well, you mentioned that you are interested in astronomy. I like astronomy too, even though I can't afford a deep space hunter telescope, like the one that Art Bell advertizes, from Hardin Optical. I requested a Hardin Optical catalog, but unfortunately, I cannot afford a deep space hunter scope, otherwise, I would get one, and stargaze, and galaxygaze. I purchased a poster last year of the Hubble Telescope Deep Field, from Novaspace Galleries, that you may already be familiar with; galaxies as far as the scope can see. This is where I have trouble with convention science, that says that the universe is both expanding, and that the universe has an edge limit. Convention science, for the most part, is endless commercialism, on scientific theories, which is pretty much the same as propaganda, to establish belief systems, and likewise, cult-like followings. My arguement is, and constantly has been, as follows: Just as telescopes cannot measure both the infinite, and the absolute, forever, neither can microscopes measure the infinitesimely small, forever, either. The big bang is a complete crock, because it is absolutely impossible for order, for life, and for intelligent life, to spring forth, out of nuclear chaos. I want to build a tetrahedral spaceship too; (commonly known in the U.F.O. community, as; triangle ships). But I am not Bill Gates, Burt Rutan, or Dean Kamen, or even Ozzy Osbourne. I am not wealthy. Maybe I will never be wealthy, but I want to leave this cursed planet that is on the verge of the war war three, being played out by the occult powers that be; the secreat societies; like Skull And Bones, and the modern pacifism of Freemasonry, and other worldwide secret players in the god games on the entire global political scene, playing the blind, dumb, American labrat lemmings in their globalism god games. I am ready to build a perfect, minimalistic, yet high tech spaceship, and leave this cursed planet, and this now cursed country, behind, even if it means only going into low earth orbit, taking a cyanide pill with me, and when the oxygen supply runs low, calling it quits on life, and letting the spaceship, and myself take our natural downward spiral back to earth, and completely burn up upon re-entry. Well I am going to leave off here. I don't have enough time at the moment to go back and do grammatical, and spelling error corrections as I generally do in the majority of my e-mails. It'd be cool if you, and/or others out there will respond back. The topics that I have mentioned in this mail aren't the only areas of interest, but I just don't have the time to repeat myself every time that I send out an e-mail, to post. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050217/94d6b411/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 15:59:17 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Feb 17 16:59:29 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Message-ID: <20050217235917.77028.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Roscoe, I am glad that I finally got a contactee out there. It's like sending out a beacon, and getting no response, up until now, but finally receiving a response. I don't know about anything regarding the yenta talk, and the bully talk, but I have stated my scientific interests already, yet I haven't got any feedback concerning them, if anyone else out there has similar interests, and I am growing tired of having to repeat myself to others every time 'that I sign on'. One of my interests that I forgot to mention, in an e-mail response to a mad scientist postee, named; Javilk, is regarding crude artificial intelligence, based on chaotic nervous systems/electronic chaos. I have interests also in analog modular sound synthesizers too, for the production of frequency modulated, ethereal audio spectrum sinewave frequency sweeping and warping sound effects, and also in audio clocks, chaos audio sound synthesis, and speech synthesizers used with vocoders too. I have wanted to build a working high powered, large scale Tesla coil for so many years now, but have been shelved, due to money limitations, because of the expensiveness of building high quality high voltage electrical capacitors for the Tesla coil. My major setback has been in the construction of a high quality, high voltage capacitor, for a good functioning Tesla coil. My original Tesla coil project failed due to an H.V. cap that I purchased, and later, after all of my frustration, I found out that the capacitor wasn't the correct type, for a Tesla coil application, so I wasted $350.00, on a useless cap, that I purchased through a company in the Thomas Register, and couldn't get my money back, for the cap. I could say more about that, but I won't, due to the lack of time right now. I am currently pondering, using a Tesla coil, to modulate a Theremin synthesizer, to produce ethereal sinewave chaos sound effects, to mimic the sound functions of nature, in the V.L.F (very low frequency) portion of the E.M. spectrum, where audio frequency, and radio frequency, are the same. I hope to be able to do some graveyard experiments, in the future too, with my V.L.F. audio spectrum radio receiver kit, that I purchased from North Country Radio, in New York. I have interests in low power F.M. radio broadcasting too, and partook in the micro radio movement, back in 2000, to 2001, but the F.C.C. field engineers from the Dallas enforcement branch showed up, told me to shut my station down, and threatened me with a fine, so I complied, and shut down my unlicenced L.P.F.M. operation. I am an amateur radio operator, and got my start with C.B., but I have lost my interest in the high frequency communications in amateur radio because it is mostly commercialism, and bullshit talk. And since I cannot operate my low power F.M. station legally, it causes me severe stress, and I have now lost my patriotism for this now divided country, of America. So I am really mad, and am also a perfectionist too, which makes me even madder, when things go wrong. Especially at work, when things go wrong, and my blood boils, my temperature rises to nuclear white hot anger, and I smash, cuss, kick, and throw things around; (I hope I haven't scared any customers though,) but I am certain that there have probably been many customers that have heard me go mad, with nuclear anger, at times when things go wrong, and customers that have heard me cuss out loud. I am also interested in anti gravity; (gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion); suppressed technologies; energy, medical, medicinal and suppressed cures for diseases. Suppressed simply, by greed. Well, you mentioned that you are interested in astronomy. I like astronomy too, even though I can't afford a deep space hunter telescope, like the one that Art Bell advertizes, from Hardin Optical. I requested a Hardin Optical catalog, but unfortunately, I cannot afford a deep space hunter scope, otherwise, I would get one, and stargaze, and galaxygaze. I purchased a poster last year of the Hubble Telescope Deep Field, from Novaspace Galleries, that you may already be familiar with; galaxies as far as the scope can see. This is where I have trouble with convention science, that says that the universe is both expanding, and that the universe has an edge limit. Convention science, for the most part, is endless commercialism, on scientific theories, which is pretty much the same as propaganda, to establish belief systems, and likewise, cult-like followings. My arguement is, and constantly has been, as follows: Just as telescopes cannot measure both the infinite, and the absolute, forever, neither can microscopes measure the infinitesimely small, forever, either. The big bang is a complete crock, because it is absolutely impossible for order, for life, and for intelligent life, to spring forth, out of nuclear chaos. I want to build a tetrahedral spaceship too; (commonly known in the U.F.O. community, as; triangle ships). But I am not Bill Gates, Burt Rutan, or Dean Kamen, or even Ozzy Osbourne. I am not wealthy. Maybe I will never be wealthy, but I want to leave this cursed planet that is on the verge of the war war three, being played out by the occult powers that be; the secreat societies; like Skull And Bones, and the modern pacifism of Freemasonry, and other worldwide secret players in the god games on the entire global political scene, playing the blind, dumb, American labrat lemmings in their globalism god games. I am ready to build a perfect, minimalistic, yet high tech spaceship, and leave this cursed planet, and this now cursed country, behind, even if it means only going into low earth orbit, taking a cyanide pill with me, and when the oxygen supply runs low, calling it quits on life, and letting the spaceship, and myself take our natural downward spiral back to earth, and completely burn up upon re-entry. Well I am going to leave off here. I don't have enough time at the moment to go back and do grammatical, and spelling error corrections as I generally do in the majority of my e-mails. It'd be cool if you, and/or others out there will respond back. The topics that I have mentioned in this mail aren't the only areas of interest, but I just don't have the time to repeat myself every time that I send out an e-mail, to post. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050217/17b7d32d/attachment-0001.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Feb 18 00:57:19 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Feb 17 18:59:22 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. In-Reply-To: <20050217235917.77028.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 17, 2005 03:59:17 PM Message-ID: <20050218005719.37069.qmail@mall-net.com> I think one copy is enough. We all get anything sent to the list, even if we do not reply. > Mr. Roscoe, > > I am glad that I finally got a contactee > out there. > It's like sending out a beacon, and > getting no response, up until now, > but finally receiving a response. ...etc... -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 16:44:32 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Feb 17 19:31:22 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Message-ID: <20050218004432.50476.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Roscoe, I am glad that I finally got a contactee out there. It's like sending out a beacon, and getting no response, up until now, but finally receiving a response. I don't know about anything regarding the yenta talk, and the bully talk, but I have stated my scientific interests already, yet I haven't got any feedback concerning them, if anyone else out there has similar interests, and I am growing tired of having to repeat myself to others every time 'that I sign on'. One of my interests that I forgot to mention, in an e-mail response to a mad scientist postee, named; Javilk, is regarding crude artificial intelligence, based on chaotic nervous systems/electronic chaos. I have interests also in analog modular sound synthesizers too, for the production of frequency modulated, ethereal audio spectrum sinewave frequency sweeping and warping sound effects, and also in audio clocks, chaos audio sound synthesis, and speech synthesizers used with vocoders too. I have wanted to build a working high powered, large scale Tesla coil for so many years now, but have been shelved, due to money limitations, because of the expensiveness of building high quality high voltage electrical capacitors for the Tesla coil. My major setback has been in the construction of a high quality, high voltage capacitor, for a good functioning Tesla coil. My original Tesla coil project failed due to an H.V. cap that I purchased, and later, after all of my frustration, I found out that the capacitor wasn't the correct type, for a Tesla coil application, so I wasted $350.00, on a useless cap, that I purchased through a company in the Thomas Register, and couldn't get my money back, for the cap. I could say more about that, but I won't, due to the lack of time right now. I am currently pondering, using a Tesla coil, to modulate a Theremin synthesizer, to produce ethereal sinewave chaos sound effects, to mimic the sound functions of nature, in the V.L.F (very low frequency) portion of the E.M. spectrum, where audio frequency, and radio frequency, are the same. I hope to be able to do some graveyard experiments, in the future too, with my V.L.F. audio spectrum radio receiver kit, that I purchased from North Country Radio, in New York. I have interests in low power F.M. radio broadcasting too, and partook in the micro radio movement, back in 2000, to 2001, but the F.C.C. field engineers from the Dallas enforcement branch showed up, told me to shut my station down, and threatened me with a fine, so I complied, and shut down my unlicenced L.P.F.M. operation. I am an amateur radio operator, and got my start with C.B., but I have lost my interest in the high frequency communications in amateur radio because it is mostly commercialism, and bullshit talk. And since I cannot operate my low power F.M. station legally, it causes me severe stress, and I have now lost my patriotism for this now divided country, of America. So I am really mad, and am also a perfectionist too, which makes me even madder, when things go wrong. Especially at work, when things go wrong, and my blood boils, my temperature rises to nuclear white hot anger, and I smash, cuss, kick, and throw things around; (I hope I haven't scared any customers though,) but I am certain that there have probably been many customers that have heard me go mad, with nuclear anger, at times when things go wrong, and customers that have heard me cuss out loud. I am also interested in anti gravity; (gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion); suppressed technologies; energy, medical, medicinal and suppressed cures for diseases. Suppressed simply, by greed. Well, you mentioned that you are interested in astronomy. I like astronomy too, even though I can't afford a deep space hunter telescope, like the one that Art Bell advertizes, from Hardin Optical. I requested a Hardin Optical catalog, but unfortunately, I cannot afford a deep space hunter scope, otherwise, I would get one, and stargaze, and galaxygaze. I purchased a poster last year of the Hubble Telescope Deep Field, from Novaspace Galleries, that you may already be familiar with; galaxies as far as the scope can see. This is where I have trouble with convention science, that says that the universe is both expanding, and that the universe has an edge limit. Convention science, for the most part, is endless commercialism, on scientific theories, which is pretty much the same as propaganda, to establish belief systems, and likewise, cult-like followings. My arguement is, and constantly has been, as follows: Just as telescopes cannot measure both the infinite, and the absolute, forever, neither can microscopes measure the infinitesimely small, forever, either. The big bang is a complete crock, because it is absolutely impossible for order, for life, and for intelligent life, to spring forth, out of nuclear chaos. I want to build a tetrahedral spaceship too; (commonly known in the U.F.O. community, as; triangle ships). But I am not Bill Gates, Burt Rutan, or Dean Kamen, or even Ozzy Osbourne. I am not wealthy. Maybe I will never be wealthy, but I want to leave this cursed planet that is on the verge of the war war three, being played out by the occult powers that be; the secreat societies; like Skull And Bones, and the modern pacifism of Freemasonry, and other worldwide secret players in the god games on the entire global political scene, playing the blind, dumb, American labrat lemmings in their globalism god games. I am ready to build a perfect, minimalistic, yet high tech spaceship, and leave this cursed planet, and this now cursed country, behind, even if it means only going into low earth orbit, taking a cyanide pill with me, and when the oxygen supply runs low, calling it quits on life, and letting the spaceship, and myself take our natural downward spiral back to earth, and completely burn up upon re-entry. Well I am going to leave off here. I don't have enough time at the moment to go back and do grammatical, and spelling error corrections as I generally do in the majority of my e-mails. It'd be cool if you, and/or others out there will respond back. The topics that I have mentioned in this mail aren't the only areas of interest, but I just don't have the time to repeat myself every time that I send out an e-mail, to post. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – What will yours do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050217/eea7a20d/attachment.htm From droscoe at cogeco.ca Thu Feb 17 21:36:58 2005 From: droscoe at cogeco.ca (Dave Roscoe) Date: Thu Feb 17 19:36:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. References: <20050217064044.45782.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <03d401c51562$b7ab1cb0$6501a8c0@stan> John, At the risk of making myself unpopular I just want to mention that I have heard of orthomolecular and megavitamin therapy and I feel that the evidence of their efficacy is largely unproven and relies mostly on subjective anecdotal testimony rather than objective double-blind testing. In fact there are potential risks in consuming large doses of vitamin C. Here's a couple of links I found interesting: Orthomolecular Therapy Linus Pauling's Legacy I'm not trying to shoot anybody down. I appreciate that you added that little caution at the end of your email. I'm just trying to provide more information. Dave Roscoe North Bay ON Canada droscoe@cogeco.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. > I have interests also in analog > modular sound synthesizers too, > for the production of frequency > modulated, ethereal audio > spectrum sinewave frequency > sweeping and warping sound > effects, and also in audio clocks, I've played with both computer generated sounds via a resistive ladder on a parallel port (run Linux, not Windows, or better yet, just run plain DOS.) The software and hardware is trivial. (Ok, for someone who knows Assembler or uses the DOS utility DDT, it is trivial. For others...) Later, I got a used sweep signal generator for this, surplus at a ham fest. Much better! only paid $65, I think it was. But you can buy kits for less. > my patriotism for this now > divided country, of America. Yes, but elsewhere we'd be hung for treason, heresy, or some other reason. America has it's flaws, but it's not a bad place to be! Else why would so many try to get in? > So I am really mad, and > am also a perfectionist too, > which makes me even > madder, when things go > wrong. When things to wrong at work, I alway say "That's Interesting! Why did it do that???" And with that, the world, and the work becomes even more interesting. > Especially at work, when > things go wrong, and my > blood boils, my temperature > rises to nuclear white hot > anger, and I smash, cuss, > kick, and throw things > around; (I hope I haven't > scared any customers > though,) but I am certain > that there have probably > been many customers that > have heard me go mad, > with nuclear anger, at > times when things go > wrong, and customers > that have heard me cuss > out loud. Very simple cure for a lot of this stuff, based on personal experience and observations of others, is _Adequate_ doses of vitamin C. Relaxes one, improves mental focus; and when enough niacin powder is added, one feels good, optimistic, etc. Not so optimistic one can't program... but that sense of self and ability is there, chomping at the bit for a good mental run! Basically, our western diets are not too hot. If you don't give your computer's CPU enough voltage, it doesn't work too well. Same for the brain. Vitamin C article by a "mad" doctor: http://www.mall-net.com/cathcart/titrate.html I mean, we wouldn't want you to blow a gasket before you became truly mad, would we? > I like astronomy too, even > though I can't afford > a deep space hunter > telescope, like the one > that Art Bell advertizes, > from Hardin Optical. I too, find astronomy fascinating, but I couldn't get them to loan me the Hubble. However... couple of sites that are almost as good. at http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html -- some Hubble pictures! http://www.hubblesite.org/ -- lots of Hubble pictures! Problem is, most of these stars take a LONG time to go nova. And smashing two Chevy Novas together just doesn't cut it. Even if they are driven 90 mph by robots. > Convention science, for > the most part, is endless > commercialism, on > scientific theories, which > is pretty much the same > as propaganda, to > establish belief systems, > and likewise, cult-like > followings. I don't know about that. Some interesting stuff is being done. And some interesting mistakes are being made in energy calculation! Ah well... if you don't try, you'll never succeed. > The big bang is a complete > crock, because it is absolutely > impossible for order, for life, > and for intelligent life, to spring > forth, out of nuclear chaos. I am here, so it must be possible, via some means, to create life, maybe even intelligent life. If we pass for intelligent life. And we probably do. > I am ready to build a > perfect, minimalistic, yet > high tech spaceship, and > leave this cursed planet, > and this now cursed country, > behind, even if it means > only going into low earth > orbit, taking a cyanide > pill with me, and when > the oxygen supply runs > low, calling it quits on > life, and letting the > spaceship, and myself Why??? (You really do need niacin and C!) I find so much around me fascinating, that I would like to live forever! There is just not enough time to see it all! http://www.mall-net.com/today/ One other interesting experiment, I made a Helmholtz (sp?) field generator, three one foot diameter coils of 23, 19, and 23 turns spaced one foot from top to bottom using wooden knitting needle hoops and magnet wire. Putting a Schuman frequency (7.83hz) signal on that from my signal generator, I could create something twice the strength of the warble of the geomagnetic field, which some say many biological systems use as a clock. I stuck my head in that thing. It was as if someone came and washed off my glasses! What I believe it does, is unify and synchronize the low frequency firings in the brain, increasing harmony and the sense of well being. In other words, re-sync the clocks in the brain hemispheres. What that does, is allow one to think deeper, think better, and FEEL one heck of a lot better! It also normalizes body temperature (I tend to run low.) Some things like this are written up in the book "Mega Brain Power by" Hutchinson. The therapy has been used by some doctor in New Rochelle for various brain problems ranging from PSTD to Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. Short of that, blinking lights of that frequency can also help synch the brain clocks; but I found that to be much, much harsher than the magnetic field technique. (Melatonin, available at many health food stores, also helps improve the body's capacity to regulate itself via the body clock.) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050217/a13bf09c/attachment-0001.htm From droscoe at cogeco.ca Thu Feb 17 21:59:25 2005 From: droscoe at cogeco.ca (Dave Roscoe) Date: Thu Feb 17 19:58:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. References: <20050218004432.50476.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03e701c51565$da816340$6501a8c0@stan> Please, call me Roscoe. I also highly recommend the APOD website. You should check out today's image - Valles Marineris as viewed from the Mars Express spacecraft. The cool thing about APOD is all the links you can follow. They also have a searchable archive. Have you ever looked into purchasing astronomy software? I have several packages including Starry Night, The Sky and a few others. Starry Night is my favorite because it's the one I'm the most familiar with. The Sky came with one of my telescopes. A reletively new one that looks quite good is Desktop Universe but I haven't had a chance to evaluate a copy yet. Also you can do a lot of observing with almost any pair of binoculars. Dave Roscoe North Bay ON Canada droscoe@cogeco.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: clyde lofton To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Mr. Roscoe, I am glad that I finally got a contactee out there. It's like sending out a beacon, and getting no response, up until now, but finally receiving a response. I don't know about anything regarding the yenta talk, and the bully talk, but I have stated my scientific interests already, yet I haven't got any feedback concerning them, if anyone else out there has similar interests, and I am growing tired of having to repeat myself to others every time 'that I sign on'. One of my interests that I forgot to mention, in an e-mail response to a mad scientist postee, named; Javilk, is regarding crude artificial intelligence, based on chaotic nervous systems/electronic chaos. I have interests also in analog modular sound synthesizers too, for the production of frequency modulated, ethereal audio spectrum sinewave frequency sweeping and warping sound effects, and also in audio clocks, chaos audio sound synthesis, and speech synthesizers used with vocoders too. I have wanted to build a working high powered, large scale Tesla coil for so many years now, but have been shelved, due to money limitations, because of the expensiveness of building high quality high voltage electrical capacitors for the Tesla coil. My major setback has been in the construction of a high quality, high voltage capacitor, for a good functioning Tesla coil. My original Tesla coil project failed due to an H.V. cap that I purchased, and later, after all of my frustration, I found out that the capacitor wasn't the correct type, for a Tesla coil application, so I wasted $350.00, on a useless cap, that I purchased through a company in the Thomas Register, and couldn't get my money back, for the cap. I could say more about that, but I won't, due to the lack of time right now. I am currently pondering, using a Tesla coil, to modulate a Theremin synthesizer, to produce ethereal sinewave chaos sound effects, to mimic the sound functions of nature, in the V.L.F (very low frequency) portion of the E.M. spectrum, where audio frequency, and radio frequency, are the same. I hope to be able to do some graveyard experiments, in the future too, with my V.L.F. audio spectrum radio receiver kit, that I purchased from North Country Radio, in New York. I have interests in low power F.M. radio broadcasting too, and partook in the micro radio movement, back in 2000, to 2001, but the F.C.C. field engineers from the Dallas enforcement branch showed up, told me to shut my station down, and threatened me with a fine, so I complied, and shut down my unlicenced L.P.F.M. operation. I am an amateur radio operator, and got my start with C.B., but I have lost my interest in the high frequency communications in amateur radio because it is mostly commercialism, and bullshit talk. And since I cannot operate my low power F.M. station legally, it causes me severe stress, and I have now lost my patriotism for this now divided country, of America. So I am really mad, and am also a perfectionist too, which makes me even madder, when things go wrong. Especially at work, when things go wrong, and my blood boils, my temperature rises to nuclear white hot anger, and I smash, cuss, kick, and throw things around; (I hope I haven't scared any customers though,) but I am certain that there have probably been many customers that have heard me go mad, with nuclear anger, at times when things go wrong, and customers that have heard me cuss out loud. I am also interested in anti gravity; (gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion); suppressed technologies; energy, medical, medicinal and suppressed cures for diseases. Suppressed simply, by greed. Well, you mentioned that you are interested in astronomy. I like astronomy too, even though I can't afford a deep space hunter telescope, like the one that Art Bell advertizes, from Hardin Optical. I requested a Hardin Optical catalog, but unfortunately, I cannot afford a deep space hunter scope, otherwise, I would get one, and stargaze, and galaxygaze. I purchased a poster last year of the Hubble Telescope Deep Field, from Novaspace Galleries, that you may already be familiar with; galaxies as far as the scope can see. This is where I have trouble with convention science, that says that the universe is both expanding, and that the universe has an edge limit. Convention science, for the most part, is endless commercialism, on scientific theories, which is pretty much the same as propaganda, to establish belief systems, and likewise, cult-like followings. My arguement is, and constantly has been, as follows: Just as telescopes cannot measure both the infinite, and the absolute, forever, neither can microscopes measure the infinitesimely small, forever, either. The big bang is a complete crock, because it is absolutely impossible for order, for life, and for intelligent life, to spring forth, out of nuclear chaos. I want to build a tetrahedral spaceship too; (commonly known in the U.F.O. community, as; triangle ships). But I am not Bill Gates, Burt Rutan, or Dean Kamen, or even Ozzy Osbourne. I am not wealthy. Maybe I will never be wealthy, but I want to leave this cursed planet that is on the verge of the war war three, being played out by the occult powers that be; the secreat societies; like Skull And Bones, and the modern pacifism of Freemasonry, and other worldwide secret players in the god games on the entire global political scene, playing the blind, dumb, American labrat lemmings in their globalism god games. I am ready to build a perfect, minimalistic, yet high tech spaceship, and leave this cursed planet, and this now cursed country, behind, even if it means only going into low earth orbit, taking a cyanide pill with me, and when the oxygen supply runs low, calling it quits on life, and letting the spaceship, and myself take our natural downward spiral back to earth, and completely burn up upon re-entry. Well I am going to leave off here. I don't have enough time at the moment to go back and do grammatical, and spelling error corrections as I generally do in the majority of my e-mails. It'd be cool if you, and/or others out there will respond back. The topics that I have mentioned in this mail aren't the only areas of interest, but I just don't have the time to repeat myself every time that I send out an e-mail, to post. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050217/9a0631f5/attachment.htm From agassi at erols.com Thu Feb 17 23:28:27 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Thu Feb 17 21:28:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. In-Reply-To: <03e701c51565$da816340$6501a8c0@stan> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Dave Roscoe Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:59 PM To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Please, call me Roscoe. I also highly recommend the APOD website. You should check out today's image - Valles Marineris as viewed from the Mars Express spacecraft. The cool thing about APOD is all the links you can follow. They also have a searchable archive. Have you ever looked into purchasing astronomy software? I have several packages including Starry Night, The Sky and a few others. Starry Night is my favorite because it's the one I'm the most familiar with. The Sky came with one of my telescopes. A reletively new one that looks quite good is Desktop Universe but I haven't had a chance to evaluate a copy yet. Also you can do a lot of observing with almost any pair of binoculars. Dave Roscoe North Bay ON Canada droscoe@cogeco.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: clyde lofton To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Mr. Roscoe, I am glad that I finally got a contactee out there. It's like sending out a beacon, and getting no response, up until now, but finally receiving a response. I don't know about anything regarding the yenta talk, and the bully talk, but I have stated my scientific interests already, yet I haven't got any feedback concerning them, if anyone else out there has similar interests, and I am growing tired of having to repeat myself to others every time 'that I sign on'. One of my interests that I forgot to mention, in an e-mail response to a mad scientist postee, named; Javilk, is regarding crude artificial intelligence, based on chaotic nervous systems/electronic chaos. I have interests also in analog modular sound synthesizers too, for the production of frequency modulated, ethereal audio spectrum sinewave frequency sweeping and warping sound effects, and also in audio clocks, chaos audio sound synthesis, and speech synthesizers used with vocoders too. I have wanted to build a working high powered, large scale Tesla coil for so many years now, but have been shelved, due to money limitations, because of the expensiveness of building high quality high voltage electrical capacitors for the Tesla coil. My major setback has been in the construction of a high quality, high voltage capacitor, for a good functioning Tesla coil. My original Tesla coil project failed due to an H.V. cap that I purchased, and later, after all of my frustration, I found out that the capacitor wasn't the correct type, for a Tesla coil application, so I wasted $350.00, on a useless cap, that I purchased through a company in the Thomas Register, and couldn't get my money back, for the cap. I could say more about that, but I won't, due to the lack of time right now. I am currently pondering, using a Tesla coil, to modulate a Theremin synthesizer, to produce ethereal sinewave chaos sound effects, to mimic the sound functions of nature, in the V.L.F (very low frequency) portion of the E.M. spectrum, where audio frequency, and radio frequency, are the same. I hope to be able to do some graveyard experiments, in the future too, with my V.L.F. audio spectrum radio receiver kit, that I purchased from North Country Radio, in New York. I have interests in low power F.M. radio broadcasting too, and partook in the micro radio movement, back in 2000, to 2001, but the F.C.C. field engineers from the Dallas enforcement branch showed up, told me to shut my station down, and threatened me with a fine, so I complied, and shut down my unlicenced L.P.F.M. operation. I am an amateur radio operator, and got my start with C.B., but I have lost my interest in the high frequency communications in amateur radio because it is mostly commercialism, and bullshit talk. And since I cannot operate my low power F.M. station legally, it causes me severe stress, and I have now lost my patriotism for this now divided country, of America. So I am really mad, and am also a perfectionist too, which makes me even madder, when things go wrong. Especially at work, when things go wrong, and my blood boils, my temperature rises to nuclear white hot anger, and I smash, cuss, kick, and throw things around; (I hope I haven't scared any customers though,) but I am certain that there have probably been many customers that have heard me go mad, with nuclear anger, at times when things go wrong, and customers that have heard me cuss out loud. I am also interested in anti gravity; (gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion); suppressed technologies; energy, medical, medicinal and suppressed cures for diseases. Suppressed simply, by greed. Well, you mentioned that you are interested in astronomy. I like astronomy too, even though I can't afford a deep space hunter telescope, like the one that Art Bell advertizes, from Hardin Optical. I requested a Hardin Optical catalog, but unfortunately, I cannot afford a deep space hunter scope, otherwise, I would get one, and stargaze, and galaxygaze. I purchased a poster last year of the Hubble Telescope Deep Field, from Novaspace Galleries, that you may already be familiar with; galaxies as far as the scope can see. This is where I have trouble with convention science, that says that the universe is both expanding, and that the universe has an edge limit. Convention science, for the most part, is endless commercialism, on scientific theories, which is pretty much the same as propaganda, to establish belief systems, and likewise, cult-like followings. My arguement is, and constantly has been, as follows: Just as telescopes cannot measure both the infinite, and the absolute, forever, neither can microscopes measure the infinitesimely small, forever, either. The big bang is a complete crock, because it is absolutely impossible for order, for life, and for intelligent life, to spring forth, out of nuclear chaos. Why, simply because you say so? I do hope that you know perfectly well that chaotic systems eventually tend to homeostasis. And thence how Entropy can decrease, locally, at the expense of increased Entropy over all. Or have you any better refutation than the logical falsity known as failure of imagination? Surely a bonafied mad scientist must still first be scientific? I want to build a tetrahedral spaceship too; (commonly known in the U.F.O. community, as; triangle ships). But I am not Bill Gates, Burt Rutan, or Dean Kamen, or even Ozzy Osbourne. I am not wealthy. Maybe I will never be wealthy, but I want to leave this cursed planet that is on the verge of the war war three, being played out by the occult powers that be; the secreat societies; like Skull And Bones, and the modern pacifism of Freemasonry, and other worldwide secret players in the god games on the entire global political scene, playing the blind, dumb, American labrat lemmings in their globalism god games. I am ready to build a perfect, minimalistic, yet high tech spaceship, and leave this cursed planet, and this now cursed country, behind, even if it means only going into low earth orbit, taking a cyanide pill with me, and when the oxygen supply runs low, calling it quits on life, and letting the spaceship, and myself take our natural downward spiral back to earth, and completely burn up upon re-entry. Well I am going to leave off here. I don't have enough time at the moment to go back and do grammatical, and spelling error corrections as I generally do in the majority of my e-mails. It'd be cool if you, and/or others out there will respond back. The topics that I have mentioned in this mail aren't the only areas of interest, but I just don't have the time to repeat myself every time that I send out an e-mail, to post. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050217/4b279a2d/attachment-0001.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 22:11:53 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Feb 17 23:12:07 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I want to build an eternal infinite absolute omnidimension anti gravity anti time machine. Message-ID: <20050218061153.29791.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> (This is the original e-mail that I sent, but which was evidently never received when I first sent it:) Javilk, Thanks for e-mailing. I am sick and tired of this f----d, cursed, doomed planet; planet Earth. I want to build an eternal infinite absolute omnidimension anti gravity anti time machine, to create an eternal infinite absolute omnidimension anti nuclear sonic acoustic blast wave, with a timeless wavelength, to freeze all existance, into eternal infinite absolute omnidimension (ice) crystallysis; frozen in anti time, forever. Time is a perfect prison of imperfection, and I am sick and tired of it. Eternal infinite absolute omnidimension perfection should exist forever, nothing more, nothing less. I can say a lot more, but I have said plenty in this e-mail. Hope you can repond. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050217/e90a3d32/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 22:12:13 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Feb 17 23:12:21 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I want to build an eternal infinite absolute omnidimension anti gravity anti time machine. Message-ID: <20050218061213.54728.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> (This is the original e-mail that I sent, but which was evidently never received when I first sent it:) Javilk, Thanks for e-mailing. I am sick and tired of this f----d, cursed, doomed planet; planet Earth. I want to build an eternal infinite absolute omnidimension anti gravity anti time machine, to create an eternal infinite absolute omnidimension anti nuclear sonic acoustic blast wave, with a timeless wavelength, to freeze all existance, into eternal infinite absolute omnidimension (ice) crystallysis; frozen in anti time, forever. Time is a perfect prison of imperfection, and I am sick and tired of it. Eternal infinite absolute omnidimension perfection should exist forever, nothing more, nothing less. I can say a lot more, but I have said plenty in this e-mail. Hope you can repond. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! – Try it today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050217/cdb03bf4/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Feb 18 07:42:38 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Feb 18 00:42:43 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I want to build an eternal infinite absolute In-Reply-To: <20050218061153.29791.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 17, 2005 10:11:53 PM Message-ID: <20050218074238.42196.qmail@mall-net.com> > Thanks for e-mailing. > I am sick and tired of this f----d, cursed, > doomed planet; planet Earth. Well, we may be doomed in the stellar time frame, but I hardly think we are doomed in the next few lifespans. But I've experienced some of the nihilism, doom and gloom you seem to portray here. In my own case, much of it seemed to be of an allergic nature caused by formaldehyde, algae in the water, and related chemical exposure. All things which may be dealt with. > I want to build an eternal infinite absolute > omnidimension anti gravity anti time > machine, to create an eternal infinite > absolute omnidimension anti nuclear > sonic acoustic blast wave, with a timeless > wavelength, to freeze all existance, into > eternal infinite absolute omnidimension > (ice) crystallysis; frozen in anti time, > forever. So you wish to cause earth to be doomed sooner. Hmmm... > Time is a perfect prison of imperfection, > and I am sick and tired of it. I think nine out of ten mad scientists, would prefer to keep Earth functional, improving it as they can (regardless of whether they want to take over the entire world or not). I suspect the numbers could be higher among non-mad scientists. I mean, if you think this was bad, just think what it must have been like before we had hot and cold running water. Ogg the cave man had it bad! The folks in the middle ages, with all the lice, fleas, and other vermin before we invented pesticides had it bad! > Eternal infinite absolute omnidimension > perfection should exist forever, nothing > more, nothing less. Well, though you probably can't create perfection, you can try to make some small piece of your domain perfect. Some of the Greek phylosophers had interesting things to say about this imperfect world. They believed that the things in this world were like "shadows" cast from some perect world. However, now that we understand more how the brain works, the "shadows" of are cast by the real things in this world, into the brain, where they are refined nd distilled by our brains into a perfect abstraction. In that model, it is up to us to take that abstraction and adapt it to some near perfection in this world. As Ghandi put it, we must be the example of the society we wish to find. Or in terms of making things, we must create the perfection which we wish to find. In my own experience, whenever I have felt terribly frustrated and grumpy, it has been due to inadequate nutrition, especially the B vitamins and C. Or as I said above, exposure to formaldehyde. On one project, I walked into an environmental chamber to inspect some hardware which was malfunctioning due to humidity. It should not yet have started failing at the humidity that it was exposed to. The chamber insulation was urea formaldehyde foam. I rapidly became almost suicidally depressed, barely able to shuffle out of the chamber. It was over a day before I could work again. A similar experience occured when I had taken posession of a trailer to use as a lab area on the mountain. I spent some hours inside it, finding my self slowly becoming more and more pessimistic till I was contemplating suicide. Turns out the door and probably some other areas were insulated with urea-formaldehyde insulation. Plus there was mold. Some mold produces neurotoxins which will cause most individuals to really slow down and become terribly depressed. In both cases, I identified the cause of the problem and limited my exposure. I gave the trailer away to someone who is not affected by the insulation. In never stepped back into that environmental chamber. So I would urge you to note where you are most pessimistic, and where you feel better. Given the number of times I have seen things like this among "normal" people, I would suspect your nihilistic attitude is due to some persistent allerg exposure. And with that, you should be able to improve your own abilities, as well as attitude, till you truly feel more productive, if not happier. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Feb 18 09:39:53 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Feb 18 02:39:59 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. In-Reply-To: <03d401c51562$b7ab1cb0$6501a8c0@stan> from "Dave Roscoe" at Feb 17, 2005 09:36:58 PM Message-ID: <20050218093953.6265.qmail@mall-net.com> > > At the risk of making myself unpopular I just want to mention that I = > have heard of orthomolecular and megavitamin therapy and I feel that the = > evidence of their efficacy is largely unproven and relies mostly on = > subjective anecdotal testimony rather than objective double-blind = > testing. In fact there are potential risks in consuming large doses of = > vitamin C. This may be true, but there are not enough people with various odd problems for the double blind studies. Heck, it's good to have diverse opinions, because it keeps us awake, and keeps us from all going over the cliff like lemmings. All I know is that it works for me.... I had a bad systemic fungal infection, and though vitamin C would not cure it, it did keep me alive till I found someone who could. My dosage at the worst of it, built up over time, was over 300 grams per day. That's four teaspoons (4.5 grams each) per hour awake, plus being awakened every few hours to take more. By all the works I read about what I had, and I did have the highest antibody titers anyone found in a living patient, I should have died. Typical symptoms include what _I_ saw as Frank Scurvy! So I just kept upping the C dosage... and looking for alternative doctors who knew something about curing the illness. (The Worlds Leading Experts who wrote the American book on it had a 14% _survival_ rate. Ah... after reading their book, I figured I was dead anyway if I went to them, so I'd try something else. I mean, these idiots couldn't tell Frank Scurvy if it hit them on the head! And since they didn't treat it, that's what it looks like most of their patients died of. But everyone in America said they were The Leading Experts.) One of the lab techs who saw my lab work called me and asked me if I was megadosing, and asked some other questions. This guy had been in a convention at a hotel... came down with "flu", started megadosing himself for the flu the way he always did; but couldn't find the diarrhea threshold. (Which is the way you determine how much your body needs.) So he just kept taking more and more. Couple of days later, the board of health called him at home -- they were tracing people from the hotel registry because people at the convention were Dying! People from his dinner table had die. I don't recall if this was THE discovery incident, or one of the others that happened some time later before they positively identified the bacteria -- Legionella. He figures the C saved his life, and he was back at work before the week was over. LONG before other survivors. But now that I am cured, I can't take more than 5 - 10 grams of C per day. (Still have some liver damage, etc. from the illness and what brought it on.) > I'm not trying to shoot anybody down. I appreciate that you added that = > little caution at the end of your email. I'm just trying to provide more = > information.=20 Good. Vitamin C certainly is NOT a panacea! When your body's C demand goes up, you have to find out WHY! When you can't get there from here... find another path! When my back was to the wall, that's what I did. What I lambaste alternative medicine for, is the lack of clear diagnostics! FIRST FIND OUT WHAT YOU HAVE!!! Then... if the cure does not look good, start looking at as many DIFFERENT therapies as you can find. Look at success rates, and the LOGIC BEHIND THE THERAPIES! Most doctors HAVE NOT A CLUE as to what they are really prescribing -- how it is supposed to work in the body. And most of them have VERY little meaningful experience in any given drug. Of course, most of the alternative guys, unless they are MDs who got fed up with the system, are even dumber! Gads, the frauds and idiots I've run across in alternative medicine! And what really scares me, is that they know more than I do! The only thing I have over them, is that as a systems analyst, I know something about how to think, and am willing to try. My doctor (a real MD) and I think together as partners before trying things. So far so good. But we're still too dumb to live forever... Still, I've seen some really old patients in his office, people who's minds are still sharp! Those patients say they had him as their doctor for a long, long time. So maybe I'm in the right place. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From jnowell at tds.net Fri Feb 18 08:31:59 2005 From: jnowell at tds.net (Joe Nowell) Date: Fri Feb 18 06:34:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: no, a bonafied mad scientist must first be mad...then possibly scientific. Interesting conversation...do any of you have a program that can project backwards in time the star movements...say, what did the sky look like when the pyramids were suppose to have been built? joe -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Aaron Agassi Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:28 PM To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Dave Roscoe Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:59 PM To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Please, call me Roscoe. I also highly recommend the APOD website. You should check out today's image - Valles Marineris as viewed from the Mars Express spacecraft. The cool thing about APOD is all the links you can follow. They also have a searchable archive. Have you ever looked into purchasing astronomy software? I have several packages including Starry Night, The Sky and a few others. Starry Night is my favorite because it's the one I'm the most familiar with. The Sky came with one of my telescopes. A reletively new one that looks quite good is Desktop Universe but I haven't had a chance to evaluate a copy yet. Also you can do a lot of observing with almost any pair of binoculars. Dave Roscoe North Bay ON Canada droscoe@cogeco.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: clyde lofton To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Mr. Roscoe, I am glad that I finally got a contactee out there. It's like sending out a beacon, and getting no response, up until now, but finally receiving a response. I don't know about anything regarding the yenta talk, and the bully talk, but I have stated my scientific interests already, yet I haven't got any feedback concerning them, if anyone else out there has similar interests, and I am growing tired of having to repeat myself to others every time 'that I sign on'. One of my interests that I forgot to mention, in an e-mail response to a mad scientist postee, named; Javilk, is regarding crude artificial intelligence, based on chaotic nervous systems/electronic chaos. I have interests also in analog modular sound synthesizers too, for the production of frequency modulated, ethereal audio spectrum sinewave frequency sweeping and warping sound effects, and also in audio clocks, chaos audio sound synthesis, and speech synthesizers used with vocoders too. I have wanted to build a working high powered, large scale Tesla coil for so many years now, but have been shelved, due to money limitations, because of the expensiveness of building high quality high voltage electrical capacitors for the Tesla coil. My major setback has been in the construction of a high quality, high voltage capacitor, for a good functioning Tesla coil. My original Tesla coil project failed due to an H.V. cap that I purchased, and later, after all of my frustration, I found out that the capacitor wasn't the correct type, for a Tesla coil application, so I wasted $350.00, on a useless cap, that I purchased through a company in the Thomas Register, and couldn't get my money back, for the cap. I could say more about that, but I won't, due to the lack of time right now. I am currently pondering, using a Tesla coil, to modulate a Theremin synthesizer, to produce ethereal sinewave chaos sound effects, to mimic the sound functions of nature, in the V.L.F (very low frequency) portion of the E.M. spectrum, where audio frequency, and radio frequency, are the same. I hope to be able to do some graveyard experiments, in the future too, with my V.L.F. audio spectrum radio receiver kit, that I purchased from North Country Radio, in New York. I have interests in low power F.M. radio broadcasting too, and partook in the micro radio movement, back in 2000, to 2001, but the F.C.C. field engineers from the Dallas enforcement branch showed up, told me to shut my station down, and threatened me with a fine, so I complied, and shut down my unlicenced L.P.F.M. operation. I am an amateur radio operator, and got my start with C.B., but I have lost my interest in the high frequency communications in amateur radio because it is mostly commercialism, and bullshit talk. And since I cannot operate my low power F.M. station legally, it causes me severe stress, and I have now lost my patriotism for this now divided country, of America. So I am really mad, and am also a perfectionist too, which makes me even madder, when things go wrong. Especially at work, when things go wrong, and my blood boils, my temperature rises to nuclear white hot anger, and I smash, cuss, kick, and throw things around; (I hope I haven't scared any customers though,) but I am certain that there have probably been many customers that have heard me go mad, with nuclear anger, at times when things go wrong, and customers that have heard me cuss out loud. I am also interested in anti gravity; (gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion); suppressed technologies; energy, medical, medicinal and suppressed cures for diseases. Suppressed simply, by greed. Well, you mentioned that you are interested in astronomy. I like astronomy too, even though I can't afford a deep space hunter telescope, like the one that Art Bell advertizes, from Hardin Optical. I requested a Hardin Optical catalog, but unfortunately, I cannot afford a deep space hunter scope, otherwise, I would get one, and stargaze, and galaxygaze. I purchased a poster last year of the Hubble Telescope Deep Field, from Novaspace Galleries, that you may already be familiar with; galaxies as far as the scope can see. This is where I have trouble with convention science, that says that the universe is both expanding, and that the universe has an edge limit. Convention science, for the most part, is endless commercialism, on scientific theories, which is pretty much the same as propaganda, to establish belief systems, and likewise, cult-like followings. My arguement is, and constantly has been, as follows: Just as telescopes cannot measure both the infinite, and the absolute, forever, neither can microscopes measure the infinitesimely small, forever, either. The big bang is a complete crock, because it is absolutely impossible for order, for life, and for intelligent life, to spring forth, out of nuclear chaos. Why, simply because you say so? I do hope that you know perfectly well that chaotic systems eventually tend to homeostasis. And thence how Entropy can decrease, locally, at the expense of increased Entropy over all. Or have you any better refutation than the logical falsity known as failure of imagination? Surely a bonafied mad scientist must still first be scientific? I want to build a tetrahedral spaceship too; (commonly known in the U.F.O. community, as; triangle ships). But I am not Bill Gates, Burt Rutan, or Dean Kamen, or even Ozzy Osbourne. I am not wealthy. Maybe I will never be wealthy, but I want to leave this cursed planet that is on the verge of the war war three, being played out by the occult powers that be; the secreat societies; like Skull And Bones, and the modern pacifism of Freemasonry, and other worldwide secret players in the god games on the entire global political scene, playing the blind, dumb, American labrat lemmings in their globalism god games. I am ready to build a perfect, minimalistic, yet high tech spaceship, and leave this cursed planet, and this now cursed country, behind, even if it means only going into low earth orbit, taking a cyanide pill with me, and when the oxygen supply runs low, calling it quits on life, and letting the spaceship, and myself take our natural downward spiral back to earth, and completely burn up upon re-entry. Well I am going to leave off here. I don't have enough time at the moment to go back and do grammatical, and spelling error corrections as I generally do in the majority of my e-mails. It'd be cool if you, and/or others out there will respond back. The topics that I have mentioned in this mail aren't the only areas of interest, but I just don't have the time to repeat myself every time that I send out an e-mail, to post. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050218/48971d82/attachment-0001.htm From agassi at erols.com Fri Feb 18 11:06:19 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Fri Feb 18 09:06:34 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Agassi [mailto:agassi@erols.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:54 PM To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. PS. It has occurred to me that if Boston area Science Fiction convention community subculture is to be the focus of study, certain adjustments must be made for exacerbating psychological and sociological factors peculiar to New England. > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:37 PM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > 1.) the fact that it doesn't occur to you, as well as > others who've had experiences with the fen speaks > volumes. The original fen could have been batch > labeled as A.C. Gilbert's "wide awake boys" (nerds of > all trades). the fact that the rocketry geeks left in > just shy of 1940, and the home hobbyists left before > 1956 (best date I can get so far, no definite date > other than that) agaqin speaks volumes. > My own experience begins some time after that. > 2.) well said regarding Socrates. > > 3.) The numbers I have been working with regarding > abused and neglected people is from the DOJ, Via > Vachss.com. According to that site 38% of all women > and 10% of all men have been physically and/or > sexually abused. I guess that would be our control > group. A good start. >From the list of behaviors (more importantly, > the complexes of behaviors shown) in fandom - as > described in the PART-R training manual put out via > the department of education of Massachusetts - at > least 75% of fandom is or has been abused. Welcome to > midian. > > 4.) the "psycho-gamers" are those who constantly need > someone to pla y twisted little mind games with. a > yenta just wants to have a bitch session. The bullies > come in different flavors. the psycho-gamers seem to > have this major league addiction to disruptive > behavior, dirty politics, and a damn near genius level > ability at reframing things to make themselves look > like the victim of mean-spirited attacks. > Sounds about right! > 5.) Instead of "thou Shalt," I was thinking of things > more in the line of "if X happens, in Y context, you > may want to consider using one of these options" > Advice is seldom better taken than commandments. I dare say that I myself am the more serious about social engineering. Interested? > Bob > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > Indeed, the question had not occurred to me. But I'm > > not an engineer, either. Indeed, I would value > serious engineering > > contacts, especially prospective collaborators > patentable concept > > that therefore I have not showcased on FoolQuest.com > And I have > > already struck out on a robotics list. > > > Socrates asserted the importance of knowing that one > does not > > know. But the scope and nature of the available > information can > > also be of manifest import. > > > I'll bet you're right! But given the sad prevalence > of abuse and > > neglect in our sad sick world at large, what will > provide a fair index > for comparison? What are the > control groups? > > > Surely there are other culprits, indeed including > the most staunchly > > traditional fen. > > > > Also, who are the ones you call "psycho-gamers," do > you mean the > > incessant yentas and shameless bullies? > > > > Religion has already long demonstrated the failure > and inadequacy > > of commandments alone. Effective treatment will > > likely require more than such a prescription. > > From droscoe at cogeco.ca Fri Feb 18 20:38:22 2005 From: droscoe at cogeco.ca (Dave Roscoe) Date: Fri Feb 18 18:37:45 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. References: Message-ID: <048001c51623$b2a0b470$6501a8c0@stan> Yes, Starry Night does that. Actually any good astronomy software does that. You set your location (anywhere on or off Earth) and the date and time. You can capture snapshots, print sky maps or play with the time base and create animations of events. It even downloads the 2 line element data for artificial satellites so you can see where the HST or the ISS are. Dave Roscoe North Bay ON Canada droscoe@cogeco.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Nowell To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. no, a bonafied mad scientist must first be mad...then possibly scientific. Interesting conversation...do any of you have a program that can project backwards in time the star movements...say, what did the sky look like when the pyramids were suppose to have been built? joe -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Aaron Agassi Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:28 PM To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Dave Roscoe Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:59 PM To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Please, call me Roscoe. I also highly recommend the APOD website. You should check out today's image - Valles Marineris as viewed from the Mars Express spacecraft. The cool thing about APOD is all the links you can follow. They also have a searchable archive. Have you ever looked into purchasing astronomy software? I have several packages including Starry Night, The Sky and a few others. Starry Night is my favorite because it's the one I'm the most familiar with. The Sky came with one of my telescopes. A reletively new one that looks quite good is Desktop Universe but I haven't had a chance to evaluate a copy yet. Also you can do a lot of observing with almost any pair of binoculars. Dave Roscoe North Bay ON Canada droscoe@cogeco.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: clyde lofton To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Mr. Roscoe, I am glad that I finally got a contactee out there. It's like sending out a beacon, and getting no response, up until now, but finally receiving a response. I don't know about anything regarding the yenta talk, and the bully talk, but I have stated my scientific interests already, yet I haven't got any feedback concerning them, if anyone else out there has similar interests, and I am growing tired of having to repeat myself to others every time 'that I sign on'. One of my interests that I forgot to mention, in an e-mail response to a mad scientist postee, named; Javilk, is regarding crude artificial intelligence, based on chaotic nervous systems/electronic chaos. I have interests also in analog modular sound synthesizers too, for the production of frequency modulated, ethereal audio spectrum sinewave frequency sweeping and warping sound effects, and also in audio clocks, chaos audio sound synthesis, and speech synthesizers used with vocoders too. I have wanted to build a working high powered, large scale Tesla coil for so many years now, but have been shelved, due to money limitations, because of the expensiveness of building high quality high voltage electrical capacitors for the Tesla coil. My major setback has been in the construction of a high quality, high voltage capacitor, for a good functioning Tesla coil. My original Tesla coil project failed due to an H.V. cap that I purchased, and later, after all of my frustration, I found out that the capacitor wasn't the correct type, for a Tesla coil application, so I wasted $350.00, on a useless cap, that I purchased through a company in the Thomas Register, and couldn't get my money back, for the cap. I could say more about that, but I won't, due to the lack of time right now. I am currently pondering, using a Tesla coil, to modulate a Theremin synthesizer, to produce ethereal sinewave chaos sound effects, to mimic the sound functions of nature, in the V.L.F (very low frequency) portion of the E.M. spectrum, where audio frequency, and radio frequency, are the same. I hope to be able to do some graveyard experiments, in the future too, with my V.L.F. audio spectrum radio receiver kit, that I purchased from North Country Radio, in New York. I have interests in low power F.M. radio broadcasting too, and partook in the micro radio movement, back in 2000, to 2001, but the F.C.C. field engineers from the Dallas enforcement branch showed up, told me to shut my station down, and threatened me with a fine, so I complied, and shut down my unlicenced L.P.F.M. operation. I am an amateur radio operator, and got my start with C.B., but I have lost my interest in the high frequency communications in amateur radio because it is mostly commercialism, and bullshit talk. And since I cannot operate my low power F.M. station legally, it causes me severe stress, and I have now lost my patriotism for this now divided country, of America. So I am really mad, and am also a perfectionist too, which makes me even madder, when things go wrong. Especially at work, when things go wrong, and my blood boils, my temperature rises to nuclear white hot anger, and I smash, cuss, kick, and throw things around; (I hope I haven't scared any customers though,) but I am certain that there have probably been many customers that have heard me go mad, with nuclear anger, at times when things go wrong, and customers that have heard me cuss out loud. I am also interested in anti gravity; (gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion); suppressed technologies; energy, medical, medicinal and suppressed cures for diseases. Suppressed simply, by greed. Well, you mentioned that you are interested in astronomy. I like astronomy too, even though I can't afford a deep space hunter telescope, like the one that Art Bell advertizes, from Hardin Optical. I requested a Hardin Optical catalog, but unfortunately, I cannot afford a deep space hunter scope, otherwise, I would get one, and stargaze, and galaxygaze. I purchased a poster last year of the Hubble Telescope Deep Field, from Novaspace Galleries, that you may already be familiar with; galaxies as far as the scope can see. This is where I have trouble with convention science, that says that the universe is both expanding, and that the universe has an edge limit. Convention science, for the most part, is endless commercialism, on scientific theories, which is pretty much the same as propaganda, to establish belief systems, and likewise, cult-like followings. My arguement is, and constantly has been, as follows: Just as telescopes cannot measure both the infinite, and the absolute, forever, neither can microscopes measure the infinitesimely small, forever, either. The big bang is a complete crock, because it is absolutely impossible for order, for life, and for intelligent life, to spring forth, out of nuclear chaos. Why, simply because you say so? I do hope that you know perfectly well that chaotic systems eventually tend to homeostasis. And thence how Entropy can decrease, locally, at the expense of increased Entropy over all. Or have you any better refutation than the logical falsity known as failure of imagination? Surely a bonafied mad scientist must still first be scientific? I want to build a tetrahedral spaceship too; (commonly known in the U.F.O. community, as; triangle ships). But I am not Bill Gates, Burt Rutan, or Dean Kamen, or even Ozzy Osbourne. I am not wealthy. Maybe I will never be wealthy, but I want to leave this cursed planet that is on the verge of the war war three, being played out by the occult powers that be; the secreat societies; like Skull And Bones, and the modern pacifism of Freemasonry, and other worldwide secret players in the god games on the entire global political scene, playing the blind, dumb, American labrat lemmings in their globalism god games. I am ready to build a perfect, minimalistic, yet high tech spaceship, and leave this cursed planet, and this now cursed country, behind, even if it means only going into low earth orbit, taking a cyanide pill with me, and when the oxygen supply runs low, calling it quits on life, and letting the spaceship, and myself take our natural downward spiral back to earth, and completely burn up upon re-entry. Well I am going to leave off here. I don't have enough time at the moment to go back and do grammatical, and spelling error corrections as I generally do in the majority of my e-mails. It'd be cool if you, and/or others out there will respond back. The topics that I have mentioned in this mail aren't the only areas of interest, but I just don't have the time to repeat myself every time that I send out an e-mail, to post. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050218/03c1746b/attachment-0001.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Feb 19 03:49:09 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Feb 18 20:49:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mad Scientist Moments In-Reply-To: <048001c51623$b2a0b470$6501a8c0@stan> from "Dave Roscoe" at Feb 18, 2005 08:38:22 PM Message-ID: <20050219034909.50070.qmail@mall-net.com> > > no, a bonafied mad scientist must first be mad...then possibly = > scientific. Interesting conversation...do any of you have a program that = I think not. I think the true "mad scientist moment" is where your experiments show something other than what conventional science holds true and well established. It is the point where you repeat your experiment several times, looking for all kinds of possible mistakes... and then have to chose between conventional scientific view and all that that implies, and your new finding and all that implies. I remember reading about the scientist who kept finding evidence of bacteria in deep rock samples. Everyone said he was nuts. today, we know that bacteria ARE in the pores of rock, even deep rock. It is the point of looking at Marble, with all of its holes and swirls, and saying that it can not possibly be metamorphic rock! The holes and swirls just are NOT POSSIBLE! And it is often found Above sedimentary rock. Yet all the geologists say that's nuts. Today, we know that marble is produced by reaction of methane with calcium salts in sea water, usually in a mud layer. It is not metamorphic. It is the point of looking at the rock samples and continental outlines and saying the HAVE GOT TO FIT together! Being laughed at by science. Today, we the geological plate theory. Those are the mad scientist moments! I've had a couple. Or maybe "Mad Engineer" moments, where everyone says this is totally impossible, even as their fingers do it on the keyboard because their fingers have learned the new paradigm, yet their intellect, knowing it impossible, has rejected it. What happens afterwards... that's... that depends on the person. Some wash their hands, put their experiments away, and ignore their findings, just to be sociable, seen sane, remain employed. Some go mad, ego-maniacally, vowing what they call "revenge" upon science with their antics pushing either egos, their theories, or both. Others just want to use their ideas for world domination. And after some years go by and all the old nay sayers die, often the mad ideas prove correct. Whether they are attributed to the mad scientist or not... depends upon how badly he ranted and railed. The diplomat wins, the true mad man is rarely credited. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From thinks at onetel.com Sat Feb 19 13:39:58 2005 From: thinks at onetel.com (T. Arthur Hinks) Date: Sat Feb 19 06:40:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. References: Message-ID: <001001c51688$81ce2020$3b6443d4@yourd65bbc6695> Hello Joe, I can send you Skyglobe if you like. When you get it, pressing the 'Caps' key and 'U' twice, will take you back 2000 years! You can also jump a century; a year; a day; an hour either way. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Nowell To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:31 PM Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. no, a bonafied mad scientist must first be mad...then possibly scientific. Interesting conversation...do any of you have a program that can project backwards in time the star movements...say, what did the sky look like when the pyramids were suppose to have been built? joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050219/bbb0d499/attachment.htm From agassi at erols.com Sat Feb 19 13:26:22 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Sat Feb 19 11:27:38 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Joe Nowell Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:32 AM To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. no, a bonafied mad scientist must first be mad...then possibly scientific. How, then, is a proper mad scientist at all distinct from a kook or a crank? No, surely a mad scientist cannot be to mad for science to begin with. Interesting conversation...do any of you have a program that can project backwards in time the star movements...say, what did the sky look like when the pyramids were suppose to have been built? joe -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Aaron Agassi Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:28 PM To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Dave Roscoe Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:59 PM To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Please, call me Roscoe. I also highly recommend the APOD website. You should check out today's image - Valles Marineris as viewed from the Mars Express spacecraft. The cool thing about APOD is all the links you can follow. They also have a searchable archive. Have you ever looked into purchasing astronomy software? I have several packages including Starry Night, The Sky and a few others. Starry Night is my favorite because it's the one I'm the most familiar with. The Sky came with one of my telescopes. A reletively new one that looks quite good is Desktop Universe but I haven't had a chance to evaluate a copy yet. Also you can do a lot of observing with almost any pair of binoculars. Dave Roscoe North Bay ON Canada droscoe@cogeco.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: clyde lofton To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Mr. Roscoe, I am glad that I finally got a contactee out there. It's like sending out a beacon, and getting no response, up until now, but finally receiving a response. I don't know about anything regarding the yenta talk, and the bully talk, but I have stated my scientific interests already, yet I haven't got any feedback concerning them, if anyone else out there has similar interests, and I am growing tired of having to repeat myself to others every time 'that I sign on'. One of my interests that I forgot to mention, in an e-mail response to a mad scientist postee, named; Javilk, is regarding crude artificial intelligence, based on chaotic nervous systems/electronic chaos. I have interests also in analog modular sound synthesizers too, for the production of frequency modulated, ethereal audio spectrum sinewave frequency sweeping and warping sound effects, and also in audio clocks, chaos audio sound synthesis, and speech synthesizers used with vocoders too. I have wanted to build a working high powered, large scale Tesla coil for so many years now, but have been shelved, due to money limitations, because of the expensiveness of building high quality high voltage electrical capacitors for the Tesla coil. My major setback has been in the construction of a high quality, high voltage capacitor, for a good functioning Tesla coil. My original Tesla coil project failed due to an H.V. cap that I purchased, and later, after all of my frustration, I found out that the capacitor wasn't the correct type, for a Tesla coil application, so I wasted $350.00, on a useless cap, that I purchased through a company in the Thomas Register, and couldn't get my money back, for the cap. I could say more about that, but I won't, due to the lack of time right now. I am currently pondering, using a Tesla coil, to modulate a Theremin synthesizer, to produce ethereal sinewave chaos sound effects, to mimic the sound functions of nature, in the V.L.F (very low frequency) portion of the E.M. spectrum, where audio frequency, and radio frequency, are the same. I hope to be able to do some graveyard experiments, in the future too, with my V.L.F. audio spectrum radio receiver kit, that I purchased from North Country Radio, in New York. I have interests in low power F.M. radio broadcasting too, and partook in the micro radio movement, back in 2000, to 2001, but the F.C.C. field engineers from the Dallas enforcement branch showed up, told me to shut my station down, and threatened me with a fine, so I complied, and shut down my unlicenced L.P.F.M. operation. I am an amateur radio operator, and got my start with C.B., but I have lost my interest in the high frequency communications in amateur radio because it is mostly commercialism, and bullshit talk. And since I cannot operate my low power F.M. station legally, it causes me severe stress, and I have now lost my patriotism for this now divided country, of America. So I am really mad, and am also a perfectionist too, which makes me even madder, when things go wrong. Especially at work, when things go wrong, and my blood boils, my temperature rises to nuclear white hot anger, and I smash, cuss, kick, and throw things around; (I hope I haven't scared any customers though,) but I am certain that there have probably been many customers that have heard me go mad, with nuclear anger, at times when things go wrong, and customers that have heard me cuss out loud. I am also interested in anti gravity; (gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion); suppressed technologies; energy, medical, medicinal and suppressed cures for diseases. Suppressed simply, by greed. Well, you mentioned that you are interested in astronomy. I like astronomy too, even though I can't afford a deep space hunter telescope, like the one that Art Bell advertizes, from Hardin Optical. I requested a Hardin Optical catalog, but unfortunately, I cannot afford a deep space hunter scope, otherwise, I would get one, and stargaze, and galaxygaze. I purchased a poster last year of the Hubble Telescope Deep Field, from Novaspace Galleries, that you may already be familiar with; galaxies as far as the scope can see. This is where I have trouble with convention science, that says that the universe is both expanding, and that the universe has an edge limit. Convention science, for the most part, is endless commercialism, on scientific theories, which is pretty much the same as propaganda, to establish belief systems, and likewise, cult-like followings. My arguement is, and constantly has been, as follows: Just as telescopes cannot measure both the infinite, and the absolute, forever, neither can microscopes measure the infinitesimely small, forever, either. The big bang is a complete crock, because it is absolutely impossible for order, for life, and for intelligent life, to spring forth, out of nuclear chaos. Why, simply because you say so? I do hope that you know perfectly well that chaotic systems eventually tend to homeostasis. And thence how Entropy can decrease, locally, at the expense of increased Entropy over all. Or have you any better refutation than the logical falsity known as failure of imagination? Surely a bonafied mad scientist must still first be scientific? I want to build a tetrahedral spaceship too; (commonly known in the U.F.O. community, as; triangle ships). But I am not Bill Gates, Burt Rutan, or Dean Kamen, or even Ozzy Osbourne. I am not wealthy. Maybe I will never be wealthy, but I want to leave this cursed planet that is on the verge of the war war three, being played out by the occult powers that be; the secreat societies; like Skull And Bones, and the modern pacifism of Freemasonry, and other worldwide secret players in the god games on the entire global political scene, playing the blind, dumb, American labrat lemmings in their globalism god games. I am ready to build a perfect, minimalistic, yet high tech spaceship, and leave this cursed planet, and this now cursed country, behind, even if it means only going into low earth orbit, taking a cyanide pill with me, and when the oxygen supply runs low, calling it quits on life, and letting the spaceship, and myself take our natural downward spiral back to earth, and completely burn up upon re-entry. Well I am going to leave off here. I don't have enough time at the moment to go back and do grammatical, and spelling error corrections as I generally do in the majority of my e-mails. It'd be cool if you, and/or others out there will respond back. The topics that I have mentioned in this mail aren't the only areas of interest, but I just don't have the time to repeat myself every time that I send out an e-mail, to post. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050219/1afa52e2/attachment-0001.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 22:00:27 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Feb 19 23:00:36 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Do You know everything? Message-ID: <20050220060027.96191.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Agassi, Do you know everything? I don't! I wish I did, though! I wish I could transcend the curse of the flesh and blood existance, into godhood, but I can't. The big bang theory is only belief, and belief is not fact. That sentence is a quote that I have borrowed from a man named; David French. I am skilled more in linguistic communication, than I am, in mathematic communication. I hope you won't hold that against me. And just because I am skilled better at linguistic science, (as I have come to realize about myself,) than I am, at mathematic science, doesn't mean I like philosophy, as many critics out there confuse words particularly, with philosophism, and it seems that there is constant arguement, and bickering, and fighting, over the use of words. (Maybe there is a lot of bickering and fighting that goes on in the mathematical community too; actually I know that there is, because when it comes to math, I can say that my dad was full of shit, when it comes to mathematics, because he didn't teach me a damned thing about math; all that he did, was to frustrate me, and to curse me, because he could not explain math to me, (like first, beginning with the history of math, and how it was created, and how it was founded;) and so because of it, I have become a closed minded adult now, to mathematics, because of my now deceased dad, and I fucking hate my dad because of it, period . !) It is actually linguism vs. philosophism, and there is a difference between the two. Linguism, is trite, and to the point. Philosophism, is long winded, rambling nonsense. I have to admit that I am a mad, AMATEUR scientist, and not a true, mad, professional scientist. Or maybe the following three descriptions would better fit me: 1.) Mad amateur engineer. 2.) Mad amateur experimenter. 3.) Mad amateur researcher. I don't know. But regardless, I still love experimental science; especially science pertaining to high voltage, high current, high power electricity; (electrical science,) high sound pressure level, acoustic energy; (acoustic science,) and the potential for gyroscopes to be utilized in matrices, for omnidirectional thrust, for mechanical lift, levitation, and propulsion, of aircraft, and spacecraft; (electromechanical science,) (and experimental electromechanical science, pertaining to gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion, and also; pertaining to electroacoustic music.). I like radio science too, and am a radio amateur, although no longer a C.B.'er, or a 2 meter talker, my interest now lies mostly in V.L.F. radio experimentation, although I still want to do L.P.F.M. broadcasting, on the F.M. broadcast band, doing a community service station that is synchronized to the G.P.S., and NIST, which gives time, temperature, and other announcements, using a voltage controlled, 12 hour format, synthesized voice timer, that I hope to be able to actually pull off someday, with the help of the owner of a small speech synthesizer company. I am not really into computer science, on the other hand; But I prefer modular hardware, over complicated, expensive anti-user friendly, computer software. And I am also, not really mechanically inclined either. I also want to build my own small scale, redundant, micro powerplant. But I do not like any of the conventional energy sources; neither fossil fuels, nor conventional alternatives. I am sick and tired of convention science, and I am sick of pseudo science, both, equally. The answers lie hidden and scattered, somewhere in esoteric science, locked away, by greed. And international industry, as well as the international banking system, are both, equally to blame for the suppression of solutions. An analogy to the mainstream doctors; Mainstream doctors are doctors of disease. Mainstream doctors are not doctors of antidotes. I can write more, but I am going to leave off, here. Sincerely, Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050219/38d9a9b7/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 22:01:25 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Feb 19 23:01:38 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Do You know everything? Message-ID: <20050220060125.57374.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Agassi, Do you know everything? I don't! I wish I did, though! I wish I could transcend the curse of the flesh and blood existance, into godhood, but I can't. The big bang theory is only belief, and belief is not fact. That sentence is a quote that I have borrowed from a man named; David French. I am skilled more in linguistic communication, than I am, in mathematic communication. I hope you won't hold that against me. And just because I am skilled better at linguistic science, (as I have come to realize about myself,) than I am, at mathematic science, doesn't mean I like philosophy, as many critics out there confuse words particularly, with philosophism, and it seems that there is constant arguement, and bickering, and fighting, over the use of words. (Maybe there is a lot of bickering and fighting that goes on in the mathematical community too; actually I know that there is, because when it comes to math, I can say that my dad was full of shit, when it comes to mathematics, because he didn't teach me a damned thing about math; all that he did, was to frustrate me, and to curse me, because he could not explain math to me, (like first, beginning with the history of math, and how it was created, and how it was founded;) and so because of it, I have become a closed minded adult now, to mathematics, because of my now deceased dad, and I fucking hate my dad because of it, period . !) It is actually linguism vs. philosophism, and there is a difference between the two. Linguism, is trite, and to the point. Philosophism, is long winded, rambling nonsense. I have to admit that I am a mad, AMATEUR scientist, and not a true, mad, professional scientist. Or maybe the following three descriptions would better fit me: 1.) Mad amateur engineer. 2.) Mad amateur experimenter. 3.) Mad amateur researcher. I don't know. But regardless, I still love experimental science; especially science pertaining to high voltage, high current, high power electricity; (electrical science,) high sound pressure level, acoustic energy; (acoustic science,) and the potential for gyroscopes to be utilized in matrices, for omnidirectional thrust, for mechanical lift, levitation, and propulsion, of aircraft, and spacecraft; (electromechanical science,) (and experimental electromechanical science, pertaining to gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion, and also; pertaining to electroacoustic music.). I like radio science too, and am a radio amateur, although no longer a C.B.'er, or a 2 meter talker, my interest now lies mostly in V.L.F. radio experimentation, although I still want to do L.P.F.M. broadcasting, on the F.M. broadcast band, doing a community service station that is synchronized to the G.P.S., and NIST, which gives time, temperature, and other announcements, using a voltage controlled, 12 hour format, synthesized voice timer, that I hope to be able to actually pull off someday, with the help of the owner of a small speech synthesizer company. I am not really into computer science, on the other hand; But I prefer modular hardware, over complicated, expensive anti-user friendly, computer software. And I am also, not really mechanically inclined either. I also want to build my own small scale, redundant, micro powerplant. But I do not like any of the conventional energy sources; neither fossil fuels, nor conventional alternatives. I am sick and tired of convention science, and I am sick of pseudo science, both, equally. The answers lie hidden and scattered, somewhere in esoteric science, locked away, by greed. And international industry, as well as the international banking system, are both, equally to blame for the suppression of solutions. An analogy to the mainstream doctors; Mainstream doctors are doctors of disease. Mainstream doctors are not doctors of antidotes. I can write more, but I am going to leave off, here. Sincerely, Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050219/b05daced/attachment.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 22:22:16 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Sat Feb 19 23:22:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Do You know everything? In-Reply-To: <20050220060125.57374.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050220062216.84247.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Lofton, It might behoove you to only send a message once, as opposed to sending it multiple times. Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > Mr. Agassi, > > Do you know everything? > I don't! > I wish I did, though! > I wish I could transcend the > curse of the flesh and blood > existance, into godhood, but > I can't. > The big bang theory is only > belief, and belief is not fact. > That sentence is a quote that I > have borrowed from a man > named; David French. > I am skilled more in linguistic > communication, than I am, in > mathematic communication. > I hope you won't hold that > against me. > And just because I am skilled > better at linguistic science, > (as I have come to realize > about myself,) than I am, at > mathematic science, doesn't > mean I like philosophy, as > many critics out there confuse > words particularly, with > philosophism, and it seems > that there is constant > arguement, and bickering, > and fighting, over the use of > words. > (Maybe there is a lot of > bickering and fighting that > goes on in the mathematical > community too; actually I > know that there is, because > when it comes to math, I > can say that my dad was > full of shit, when it comes to > mathematics, because he > didn't teach me a damned > thing about math; all that > he did, was to frustrate me, > and to curse me, because he > could not explain math to > me, (like first, beginning with > the history of math, and how it > was created, and how it was > founded;) and so because > of it, I have become a closed > minded adult now, to > mathematics, because of my > now deceased dad, and I > fucking hate my dad because > of it, period . !) > It is actually linguism vs. > philosophism, and there is a > difference between the two. > Linguism, is trite, and to the > point. > Philosophism, is long winded, > rambling nonsense. > I have to admit that I am a > mad, AMATEUR scientist, and > not a true, mad, professional > scientist. > Or maybe the following three > descriptions would better fit > me: > 1.) Mad amateur engineer. > 2.) Mad amateur experimenter. > 3.) Mad amateur researcher. > I don't know. > But regardless, I still love > experimental science; > especially science pertaining > to high voltage, high current, > high power electricity; (electrical > science,) high sound pressure > level, acoustic energy; (acoustic > science,) and the potential for > gyroscopes to be utilized in > matrices, for omnidirectional > thrust, for mechanical lift, > levitation, and propulsion, of > aircraft, and spacecraft; > (electromechanical science,) > (and experimental > electromechanical science, > pertaining to gyroscopic > lift, levitation, and propulsion, > and also; pertaining to > electroacoustic music.). > I like radio science too, and > am a radio amateur, although > no longer a C.B.'er, or a 2 > meter talker, my interest now > lies mostly in V.L.F. radio > experimentation, although I > still want to do L.P.F.M. > broadcasting, on the F.M. > broadcast band, doing a > community service station > that is synchronized to > the G.P.S., and NIST, which > gives time, temperature, and > other announcements, using > a voltage controlled, 12 hour > format, synthesized voice timer, > that I hope to be able to > actually pull off someday, with > the help of the owner of a small > speech synthesizer company. > I am not really into computer > science, on the other hand; > But I prefer modular hardware, > over complicated, expensive > anti-user friendly, computer > software. > And I am also, not really > mechanically inclined either. > I also want to build my own > small scale, redundant, micro > powerplant. > But I do not like any of the > conventional energy sources; > neither fossil fuels, nor > conventional alternatives. > I am sick and tired of convention > science, and I am sick of > pseudo science, both, equally. > The answers lie hidden and > scattered, somewhere in esoteric > science, locked away, by > greed. > And international industry, as > well as the international > banking system, are both, > equally to blame for the > suppression of solutions. > An analogy to the mainstream > doctors; Mainstream doctors > are doctors of disease. > Mainstream doctors are not > doctors of antidotes. > I can write more, but I am > going to leave off, here. > > Sincerely, Clyde > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'> _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 22:22:16 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Sat Feb 19 23:22:38 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Do You know everything? In-Reply-To: <20050220060125.57374.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050220062216.84247.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Lofton, It might behoove you to only send a message once, as opposed to sending it multiple times. Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > Mr. Agassi, > > Do you know everything? > I don't! > I wish I did, though! > I wish I could transcend the > curse of the flesh and blood > existance, into godhood, but > I can't. > The big bang theory is only > belief, and belief is not fact. > That sentence is a quote that I > have borrowed from a man > named; David French. > I am skilled more in linguistic > communication, than I am, in > mathematic communication. > I hope you won't hold that > against me. > And just because I am skilled > better at linguistic science, > (as I have come to realize > about myself,) than I am, at > mathematic science, doesn't > mean I like philosophy, as > many critics out there confuse > words particularly, with > philosophism, and it seems > that there is constant > arguement, and bickering, > and fighting, over the use of > words. > (Maybe there is a lot of > bickering and fighting that > goes on in the mathematical > community too; actually I > know that there is, because > when it comes to math, I > can say that my dad was > full of shit, when it comes to > mathematics, because he > didn't teach me a damned > thing about math; all that > he did, was to frustrate me, > and to curse me, because he > could not explain math to > me, (like first, beginning with > the history of math, and how it > was created, and how it was > founded;) and so because > of it, I have become a closed > minded adult now, to > mathematics, because of my > now deceased dad, and I > fucking hate my dad because > of it, period . !) > It is actually linguism vs. > philosophism, and there is a > difference between the two. > Linguism, is trite, and to the > point. > Philosophism, is long winded, > rambling nonsense. > I have to admit that I am a > mad, AMATEUR scientist, and > not a true, mad, professional > scientist. > Or maybe the following three > descriptions would better fit > me: > 1.) Mad amateur engineer. > 2.) Mad amateur experimenter. > 3.) Mad amateur researcher. > I don't know. > But regardless, I still love > experimental science; > especially science pertaining > to high voltage, high current, > high power electricity; (electrical > science,) high sound pressure > level, acoustic energy; (acoustic > science,) and the potential for > gyroscopes to be utilized in > matrices, for omnidirectional > thrust, for mechanical lift, > levitation, and propulsion, of > aircraft, and spacecraft; > (electromechanical science,) > (and experimental > electromechanical science, > pertaining to gyroscopic > lift, levitation, and propulsion, > and also; pertaining to > electroacoustic music.). > I like radio science too, and > am a radio amateur, although > no longer a C.B.'er, or a 2 > meter talker, my interest now > lies mostly in V.L.F. radio > experimentation, although I > still want to do L.P.F.M. > broadcasting, on the F.M. > broadcast band, doing a > community service station > that is synchronized to > the G.P.S., and NIST, which > gives time, temperature, and > other announcements, using > a voltage controlled, 12 hour > format, synthesized voice timer, > that I hope to be able to > actually pull off someday, with > the help of the owner of a small > speech synthesizer company. > I am not really into computer > science, on the other hand; > But I prefer modular hardware, > over complicated, expensive > anti-user friendly, computer > software. > And I am also, not really > mechanically inclined either. > I also want to build my own > small scale, redundant, micro > powerplant. > But I do not like any of the > conventional energy sources; > neither fossil fuels, nor > conventional alternatives. > I am sick and tired of convention > science, and I am sick of > pseudo science, both, equally. > The answers lie hidden and > scattered, somewhere in esoteric > science, locked away, by > greed. > And international industry, as > well as the international > banking system, are both, > equally to blame for the > suppression of solutions. > An analogy to the mainstream > doctors; Mainstream doctors > are doctors of disease. > Mainstream doctors are not > doctors of antidotes. > I can write more, but I am > going to leave off, here. > > Sincerely, Clyde > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'> _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 23:10:22 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Feb 20 00:10:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] This time it was actually a mistake on my behalf of sending the message twice. Message-ID: <20050220071022.11276.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Juliano, In the process of proofreading my e-mail, I accidently sent it twice. I will try and not send any message more than once, in the future. Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050219/b9edb1b1/attachment.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 23:29:40 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Sun Feb 20 00:29:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] This time it was actually a mistake on my behalf of sending the message twice. In-Reply-To: <20050220071022.11276.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050220072940.63060.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Lofton, Not a problem. I am still figuring out these blasted beasts we call computers. I remember when the computer was that box in the corner or on the table that ran our calculations, to get the real work done. Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > Mr. Juliano, > > In the process of proofreading my > e-mail, I accidently sent it twice. > I will try and not send any message > more than once, in the future. > > Clyde > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 23:29:40 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Sun Feb 20 00:29:53 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] This time it was actually a mistake on my behalf of sending the message twice. In-Reply-To: <20050220071022.11276.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050220072940.63060.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Lofton, Not a problem. I am still figuring out these blasted beasts we call computers. I remember when the computer was that box in the corner or on the table that ran our calculations, to get the real work done. Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > Mr. Juliano, > > In the process of proofreading my > e-mail, I accidently sent it twice. > I will try and not send any message > more than once, in the future. > > Clyde > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 23:38:55 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Feb 20 00:39:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk's Helmholtz (sound pressure?) field generator. Message-ID: <20050220073855.97558.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, To amplify your audio generator, or function generator, for the Helmholtz field generator, what wattage per each coil, did you feed, into your three coils; and were the three coils perfectly impedence matched to each of the outputs of your audio amplifiers? What audio amplifiers did you use for the science experiment, and were they commercial quality, 100% duty cycle amps, like; QSC, Crown, Carvin, Mackie, or other? Hope you can reply soon. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050219/9eda9bf1/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 00:16:52 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Feb 20 01:17:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Why does so much about Nikola Tesla remain squelched to this day? Message-ID: <20050220081652.32775.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> To all concerned, Is it any wonder why Nikola Tesla got squelched by J. Pierpont Morgan, and why a lot of his history remains squelched to this day? Could The Skull And Bones Society, based at Yale University, indeed be responsible for this happening, or at least, be partially responsible for this happening? Information weblink: http://davidicke.www.50megs.com/icke/magazine/vol8/articles/bushskull.html I'd like to get, all of the honest feedback that I can get, from as many out there as possible, if you are interested enough, regarding this topic of discussion. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050220/1cb86cd8/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 00:51:51 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Feb 20 01:52:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The pacifism of Freemasonry, as well as other things, leads to Freemasonry/Skull And Bones, New World Order/New Age? Message-ID: <20050220085151.87311.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> To all Concerned, The pacifism of Freemasonry, as well as other things, leads to Freemasonry/Skull And Bones, New World Order/New Age? Weblink: http://www.trosch.org/msn/cfn_new-age-edu.html Could Nikola Tesla have forseen this horrific future scenario happening? The planned destruction of America? Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050220/e19bb360/attachment.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 06:20:01 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Sun Feb 20 07:20:08 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The pacifism of Freemasonry, as well as other things, leads to Freemasonry/Skull And Bones, New World Order/New Age? In-Reply-To: <20050220085151.87311.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050220142001.79159.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, I don't really know where to start. So many layered assumptions, out of conext quotes, non peered papers... Was this a joke? Bob (confused) --- clyde lofton wrote: > > To all Concerned, > > The pacifism of Freemasonry, as well as other > things, leads to Freemasonry/Skull And Bones, > New World Order/New Age? > Weblink: > http://www.trosch.org/msn/cfn_new-age-edu.html > Could Nikola Tesla have forseen this horrific future > scenario happening? > The planned destruction of America? > > Clyde > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 06:20:01 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Sun Feb 20 07:20:11 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The pacifism of Freemasonry, as well as other things, leads to Freemasonry/Skull And Bones, New World Order/New Age? In-Reply-To: <20050220085151.87311.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050220142001.79159.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, I don't really know where to start. So many layered assumptions, out of conext quotes, non peered papers... Was this a joke? Bob (confused) --- clyde lofton wrote: > > To all Concerned, > > The pacifism of Freemasonry, as well as other > things, leads to Freemasonry/Skull And Bones, > New World Order/New Age? > Weblink: > http://www.trosch.org/msn/cfn_new-age-edu.html > Could Nikola Tesla have forseen this horrific future > scenario happening? > The planned destruction of America? > > Clyde > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 06:20:44 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Sun Feb 20 07:20:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The pacifism of Freemasonry, as well as other things, leads to Freemasonry/Skull And Bones, New World Order/New Age? In-Reply-To: <20050220085151.87311.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050220142044.84820.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, I don't really know where to start. So many layered assumptions, out of conext quotes, non peered papers... Was this a joke? Bob (confused) --- clyde lofton wrote: > > To all Concerned, > > The pacifism of Freemasonry, as well as other > things, leads to Freemasonry/Skull And Bones, > New World Order/New Age? > Weblink: > http://www.trosch.org/msn/cfn_new-age-edu.html > Could Nikola Tesla have forseen this horrific future > scenario happening? > The planned destruction of America? > > Clyde > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From Igor at Mad-Scientists.ORG Sun Feb 20 11:55:48 2005 From: Igor at Mad-Scientists.ORG (Igor) Date: Sun Feb 20 11:55:53 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Double posting Message-ID: I'm not entirely sure why this is happening, but some messages are coming in with the list address (mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org) in the To: line twice and being sent out twice. While I look into this, please check the To: line of your messages before you send or reply and remove the duplicate if necessary. Thanks Your faithful servant Igor ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:29:40 -0800 (PST) To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List , Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] This time it was actually a mistake on my behalf of sending the message twice. From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Feb 21 02:02:22 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Feb 20 19:02:25 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The pacifism of Freemasonry, In-Reply-To: <20050220085151.87311.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 20, 2005 12:51:51 AM Message-ID: <20050221020222.49986.qmail@mall-net.com> > The pacifism of Freemasonry, as well as other > things, leads to Freemasonry/Skull And Bones, > New World Order/New Age? > Weblink: > http://www.trosch.org/msn/cfn_new-age-edu.html > Could Nikola Tesla have forseen this horrific future > scenario happening? > The planned destruction of America? Nah. We do it all by accident! Lenin or Stalin had it right when he said we'd sell them the rope to hang us with. That said, they bought the rope and hung themselves! Do not attribute to evil and cunning that which can be explained by stupidity and ignorance. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Feb 21 02:10:38 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Feb 20 19:10:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Javilk's Helmholtz (sound pressure?) field In-Reply-To: <20050220073855.97558.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 19, 2005 11:38:55 PM Message-ID: <20050221021038.59529.qmail@mall-net.com> > Javilk, > > To amplify your audio generator, > or function generator, for the > Helmholtz field generator, what > wattage per each coil, did you > feed, into your three coils; and > were the three coils perfectly > impedence matched to each of > the outputs of your audio > amplifiers? I just hooked the coils up in series, stuck an ammeter in series, and let it rip full power, which was not very much... the calculations were something like 20% of the earth's magnetic field, which is twice what they say the "warble" intensity is. If I'd had a stronger signal generator, I would have tried ramping it up further, say to 2x the earth's magnetic field. Waveform was sine. Signal generator is a JDR DFG 600. When I feel lousy, it makes a difference. When I feel good, I can't feel a thing. So it's probably in the right therapeutic range for some kinds of brain chaos "sag". I'd not go much above 2x, as mode locking isn't such a good thing... Maybe suspend the coil from above, so that if you slump down, you fall out of the field. Or have an assistant present. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 22:32:30 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Feb 20 23:32:38 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Heaven Nine Eleven. By, Tesla (the band). Message-ID: <20050221063230.91310.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Song: HEAVEN NINE ELEVEN. Band: Tesla (the band). Lyrics by: Hannon. Tell me why there's so much pain today. Cause taking lives is for their gain, or so they say. I can't believe it but they feel this way. And that's the way of the world. Tell me why it takes a tragedy to see. To wake us up, and bring us down to our knees. All the people suffering with disease. And that's the way, that's the way, that's the weight of the world. As the world crashes down, heaven's looking better everyday. As the sun burn's the ground, there's gotta be another way. Is our God looking down, and does he feel everybody's pain. As the world crashes down, heaven's looking better everyday. Teach the children what it means to love. And show them why that we can never give enough. Let's work together, we can rise above. And change the ways, change the ways, change the ways of the world. As the world crashes down, heaven's looking better everyday. As the sky turns to brown, there's gotta be another way. Is our God looking down, and does he feel everybody's pain. As the world crashes down, heaven's looking better everyday. As the world crashes down, heaven's looking better everyday. As the sun burn's the ground, there's gotta be another way. Is our God looking down, and does he feel everybody's pain. As the world crashes down, heaven's looking better everyday. As the world crashes down, heaven's looking better everyday. As the sky turns to brown, there's gotta be another way. Is our God looking down, and does he feel everybody's pain. As the world crashes down, heaven's looking better everyday. Heaven's looking better now. Heaven's looking better now. Heaven's looking better now. Heaven's looking better. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050220/edcffcae/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Feb 21 08:31:32 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Feb 21 01:31:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Heaven Nine Eleven. By, Tesla (the band). In-Reply-To: <20050221063230.91310.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 20, 2005 10:32:30 PM Message-ID: <20050221083132.53840.qmail@mall-net.com> > Tell me why there's so much pain today. > Cause taking lives is for their gain, or > so they say. I don't think so. > Teach the children what it means to > love. If one postulates a brain that records and re-creates sensations, then it is probable that high exposure situations create a preference for them, a motivation to preserve and re-create them. Thus, for any animal who has a favorable upbringing, there is a natural tendency to attempt to re-create that behavior. In other words, Love is a natural by-product of the way the brain works. It has to be so. Otherwise the offspring would not be ALLOWED to survive by their parents, who would immediately compete with them. And when you consider the kind of lives we've lived in the past... hungry gatherers, hungry hunters, beings living far less than our 60 - 80 years; I'd say we are doing damned well! As for greed, as long as it is satisfied by creating rather than theft, it is a potent motivator and organizer. I suggest you read Sun Tzu, "Art of War", a kind of bible for warfare which has been under continuous publication and study for some 2,400 years. The Griffith translation is much better than the Giles. Note that it says the most important factor in deciding which side will win, is the aspect of morality of the leader. Not the sole factor, to be sure; but the most important. Although the world may not seem that good to us, it is far, far better than it was even fifty years ago. And it keeps getting better and better despite the occasional scandals, back sliding, etc. Our job, is to keep making it better. Not necessarily by heroic efforts, but by the things we do every day. By voting with your dollars as an astute consumer, by being kind and cheerful to others, by helping each other, whether it be for free or fee. And more, by casting the example of decency through out your work and presence. Decency is a bed comfortably slept in no matter where it may be. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Feb 21 23:04:19 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Feb 21 16:04:23 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] 9/11 debunk in Pop Mech In-Reply-To: <20050221083132.53840.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Feb 21, 2005 08:31:32 AM Message-ID: <20050221230419.16076.qmail@mall-net.com> Popular Mechanics magazine has an interesting article on the 9/11 conspiracies and facts. (Also some stuff on Roswel UFOs) http://www.PopularMechanics.com/science/defense/ and other interesting defense articles. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 10:16:01 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 22 11:16:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: <20050220071022.11276.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050222181602.85894.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Those who are interested... I'd like your anecdotes on fandom, as you have experienced it. I'm trying to discover any commonalities of situations in fandom for the "average" mad scientist type. At the moment, some of my hypotheses are: 1.) that fandom is serving as a sort of cafe culture. 2.) there was a shake (darn near a coup d'etat) very early in fandom 3.) there was a second coup sometime in the 50's 4.) Chicago, Philadelphia, and (much later) Boston and Washington, DC served as focal points for fandom. (for some reason, the divisive attitudes in fandom are not easily observed in the NYC GMA) I thought I'd throw out a project idea to the group (I can't test this project until my wife and I find a house...) using copper based ink, on a 600 DPI printer, I'd print 300 lines of "wire" per sheet of polyethylene plastic. Then, layer the plastic 250/in. have the sheets be 1 in wide, 13.2 feet long... the static collected should have a total charge of v=(ht/3.3)*100, i=1.7e-7... therefore, charge induced is (v^2) *1.7e-7...2448 watts per square inch... I want to try this out. an easier project that I will be working on is turning a few handfuls of parts and a cheap r/c car into a directed robot. Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From agassi at erols.com Tue Feb 22 13:26:13 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 22 11:26:28 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050222175906.75880.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Juliano [mailto:rhjuliano@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:59 PM > To: Aaron Agassi > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > I shall begin posting again. > I meant, whether we should transition this conversation specifically, back to the list, as only we two seem interested. > I am still trying to discern when massachusetts become > the land of the unfriendly. There were several times > when the place had a reputation as a very friendly and > accepting area. > It ain't called New England for nuthin'! New England follows the Victorian pretence of pretended sociality, of going out to rendezvous in public with those one already knows rather than ever meeting anyone new. Traditional New England families despise newcomers. For business or pleasure, making connections in Boston is agonizingly hard work and chancy. Whereas in other states, it is reportedly even ridiculously easy. But all of this is anecdotal, personal and second hand. Where can the situation and trends be established more objectively? Because, obviously, these are prior factors that would feed into the constituency of Fandom. > I have a hypothesis that Massachusetts was one of the > social impact points for the wave of change in fandom. > There is also that special New York snootiness! And I'd also venture that core values in Fandom eroded with the rest of society, following the continual swing to the right. > I shall post more on/in the list > Then note that I am simply cc:ing this back onto the list. > Bob > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Robert Juliano [mailto:rhjuliano@yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:17 AM > > > To: Aaron Agassi > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > > > > First of all, shall we post back to the list? Not > > like anyone seems to > > care... > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > My apologies, I was celebrating with my wife over > > her > > > birthday. We usually spend a week celebrating with > > a > > > fresh made cake or two, some home made thai food, > > and > > > a bunch of DVD's. > > > > > > BTW, I was going to be using Boston as sort of a > > case > > > study in social vectors for the paper regarding > > > fandom. Boston *is* one of the major draws in > > terms of > > > fandom... > > > > > Then hence my PS. Indeed Massachusetts is > > traditionally peculiarly > > antisocial. > > > > > Bob > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > I am now emailing offlist: > > > > Robert Juliano, where are you? It seems to be > > just > > > > the Paranormalist cranks > > > > posting now! > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Aaron Agassi [mailto:agassi@erols.com] > > > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:06 AM > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Aaron Agassi [mailto:agassi@erols.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:54 PM > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > > > > PS. It has occurred to me that if Boston area > > > > Science Fiction convention > > > > community subculture is to be the focus of > > study, > > > > certain adjustments must > > > > be made for exacerbating psychological and > > > > sociological factors peculiar to > > > > New England. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > Juliano > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:37 PM > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.) the fact that it doesn't occur to you, as > > well > > > > as > > > > > others who've had experiences with the fen > > speaks > > > > > volumes. The original fen could have been > > batch > > > > > labeled as A.C. Gilbert's "wide awake boys" > > (nerds > > > > of > > > > > all trades). the fact that the rocketry geeks > > left > > > > in > > > > > just shy of 1940, and the home hobbyists left > > > > before > > > > > 1956 (best date I can get so far, no definite > > date > > > > > other than that) agaqin speaks volumes. > > > > > > > > > My own experience begins some time after that. > > > > > > > > > 2.) well said regarding Socrates. > > > > > > > > > > 3.) The numbers I have been working with > > regarding > > > > > abused and neglected people is from the DOJ, > > Via > > > > > Vachss.com. According to that site 38% of all > > > > women > > > > > and 10% of all men have been physically and/or > > > > > sexually abused. I guess that would be our > > control > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > A good start. > > > > > > > > >From the list of behaviors (more importantly, > > > > > the complexes of behaviors shown) in fandom - > > as > > > > > described in the PART-R training manual put > > out > > > > via > > > > > the department of education of Massachusetts - > > at > > > > > least 75% of fandom is or has been abused. > > Welcome > > > > to > > > > > midian. > > > > > > > > > > 4.) the "psycho-gamers" are those who > > constantly > > > > need > > > > > someone to pla y twisted little mind games > > with. a > > > > > yenta just wants to have a bitch session. The > > > > bullies > > > > > come in different flavors. the psycho-gamers > > seem > > > > to > > > > > have this major league addiction to disruptive > > > > > behavior, dirty politics, and a damn near > > genius > > > > level > > > > > ability at reframing things to make themselves > > > > look > > > > > like the victim of mean-spirited attacks. > > > > > > > > > Sounds about right! > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5.) Instead of "thou Shalt," I was thinking of > > > > things > > > > > more in the line of "if X happens, in Y > > context, > > > > you > > > > > may want to consider using one of these > > options" > > > > > > > > > Advice is seldom better taken than commandments. > > > > > > > > I dare say that I myself am the more serious > > about > > > > social engineering. > > > > Interested? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, the question had not occurred to me. > > But > > > > I'm > > > > > > not an engineer, either. Indeed, I would > > value > > > > > serious engineering > > > > > > contacts, especially prospective > > collaborators > > > > > patentable concept > > > > > > that therefore I have not showcased on > > > > FoolQuest.com > > > > > And I have > > > > > > already struck out on a robotics list. > > > > > > > > > > > Socrates asserted the importance of knowing > > that > > > > one > > > > > does not > > > > > > know. But the scope and nature of the > > available > > > > > information can > > > > > > also be of manifest import. > > > > > > > > > > > I'll bet you're right! But given the sad > > > > prevalence > > > > > of abuse and > > > === message truncated === > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From agassi at erols.com Tue Feb 22 13:30:21 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 22 11:30:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: <20050222181602.85894.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:16 PM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > Those who are interested... > > I'd like your anecdotes on fandom, as you have > experienced it. > > I'm trying to discover any commonalities of situations > in fandom for the "average" mad scientist type. > > At the moment, some of my hypotheses are: > 1.) that fandom is serving as a sort of cafe culture. > 2.) there was a shake (darn near a coup d'etat) very > early in fandom > 3.) there was a second coup sometime in the 50's > 4.) Chicago, Philadelphia, and (much later) Boston and > Washington, DC served as focal points for fandom. (for > some reason, the divisive attitudes in fandom are not > easily observed in the NYC GMA) > You gotta be kidding! Why, New York is the notorious apex of fan feud! > I thought I'd throw out a project idea to the group (I > can't test this project until my wife and I find a > house...) > > using copper based ink, on a 600 DPI printer, I'd > print 300 lines of "wire" per sheet of polyethylene > plastic. Then, layer the plastic 250/in. > > have the sheets be 1 in wide, 13.2 feet long... > > the static collected should have a total charge of > v=(ht/3.3)*100, i=1.7e-7... therefore, charge induced > is (v^2) *1.7e-7...2448 watts per square inch... > > I want to try this out. > > an easier project that I will be working on is turning > a few handfuls of parts and a cheap r/c car into a > directed robot. > > Bob > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 10:30:33 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 22 11:30:43 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: <20050222181602.85894.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050222183033.21791.qmail@web51906.mail.yahoo.com> On a side note, I am also working on a manual for prospective minions, body-guards, and people of hench (mustn't get tarred with the sexist brush...) anybody interested? Bob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From agassi at erols.com Tue Feb 22 13:40:24 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 22 11:40:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: <20050222183033.21791.qmail@web51906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bodyguards are an easily recognizable and specific category. Beyond that, however, more broadly, what are the hench-qualifications or job description of however similar minions? My own search, after all, is for collaborators and coconspirators on a range of wider mad science have caught my interest, as variously specified on FoolQuest.com Which reminds me, Robert Juliano, you never answered my trailing question as regards treatment for the malaise of Fandom. > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:31 PM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > On a side note, > > I am also working on a manual for prospective minions, > body-guards, and people of hench (mustn't get tarred > with the sexist brush...) > > anybody interested? > > Bob > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 10:40:18 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 22 11:40:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050222184019.48132.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> Aaron, It *was* the apex of the 30's and the 50's Fan feud. there was a much smaller stir in the mid 70's. I visit NYC roughly every 3 weeks. I hang out with some incurable fen. Why is it that feud vectors (so and so said this about this other person; I hate that...) are not in hearing? fen are incapable of keeping shut regarding politics. possiblities: 1.) the fen are all involved in other feuds outside of NYC 2.) the feud virus burned outself out 3.) the new fen are having to work too much to get involved in feuds 4.) the anime fandom serves as a convenient scapegoat for the classic fen (this one's my bet. the anime fen have better parties, sex is easier, and the music's something you can dance to...you can't dance to the star trek theme...) Bob --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > Behalf Of Robert > > Juliano > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:16 PM > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > > > > > Those who are interested... > > > > I'd like your anecdotes on fandom, as you have > > experienced it. > > > > I'm trying to discover any commonalities of > situations > > in fandom for the "average" mad scientist type. > > > > At the moment, some of my hypotheses are: > > 1.) that fandom is serving as a sort of cafe > culture. > > 2.) there was a shake (darn near a coup d'etat) > very > > early in fandom > > 3.) there was a second coup sometime in the 50's > > 4.) Chicago, Philadelphia, and (much later) Boston > and > > Washington, DC served as focal points for fandom. > (for > > some reason, the divisive attitudes in fandom are > not > > easily observed in the NYC GMA) > > > You gotta be kidding! Why, New York is the notorious > apex of fan feud! > > > > I thought I'd throw out a project idea to the > group (I > > can't test this project until my wife and I find a > > house...) > > > > using copper based ink, on a 600 DPI printer, I'd > > print 300 lines of "wire" per sheet of > polyethylene > > plastic. Then, layer the plastic 250/in. > > > > have the sheets be 1 in wide, 13.2 feet long... > > > > the static collected should have a total charge of > > v=(ht/3.3)*100, i=1.7e-7... therefore, charge > induced > > is (v^2) *1.7e-7...2448 watts per square inch... > > > > I want to try this out. > > > > an easier project that I will be working on is > turning > > a few handfuls of parts and a cheap r/c car into a > > directed robot. > > > > Bob > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Mad-Scientists mailing list > > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 10:55:54 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 22 11:56:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050222185555.35057.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com> Aaron, I suppose, if I were pressed, I might use something on the order of the jobs classification chart from the TSR game "top secret" (it's a starting paradigm, at least.) I have been figuring that I need a clerk, a secretary (more in the english sense, as opposed to the standard american jokes of the young thing in not much at the front desk, or under the boss's desk...), a few work crew... things of that nature. As to the treatment of fandom. I don't have any hard and fast solutions at this time. I guess I am still trying to find out what happened, and then why did it happen. Then I can start prescribing solutions. I *can* give a number of observations: 1.) any group without a coherent, concise core philosophy will experience factionlism, paralysis, idealogical cancer, and something very much like the political actions we have seen demonstrated by the neo-conservative movement. 2.) any group has members consistently act in a manner in conflict with the core philosophy, shall suffer from those effects listed above. 3.) any group not actively trying to maintain its stated core philosophy, shall develop one via default. 4.) any group whose core philosophy has changed via default, shall see members experiencing differential angst forming into supporting non useful changes, and against possibly useful changes. I believe that (with more work on the matter at hand) I should be able to start creating a series of social tools to help - dare I say "save?" - fandom. Bob --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > Bodyguards are an easily recognizable and specific category. Beyond > that, however, more broadly, what are the hench-qualifications or > job description of however similar minions? > > My own search, after all, is for collaborators and coconspirators on a > range of wider mad science have caught my interest, as variously > specified on FoolQuest.com > > Which reminds me, Robert Juliano, you never answered > my trailing question as regards treatment for the malaise of Fandom. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > Behalf Of Robert > > Juliano > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:31 PM > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > > > > > On a side note, > > > > I am also working on a manual for prospective > minions, > > body-guards, and people of hench (mustn't get > tarred > > with the sexist brush...) > > > > anybody interested? > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > http://my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Mad-Scientists mailing list > > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 12:09:18 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Feb 22 13:09:29 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Antigravity/Countergravity/Gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion. (Edited/Revised.) (for Dr. Steven Greer.) Message-ID: <20050222200919.43363.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> To all concerned, This is an original e-mail/letter that I sent to Linda Moulton Howe, an investigative journalist lady who is interviewed occasionally on Coast To Coast A.M. Since this e-mail/letter, I have also sent it to Dr. Steven Greer of The Disclosure Project, and Space Energy Access Systems (SEAS), and Richard Hoagland, of www.enterprisemission.com Here are a few cool weblinks: 1.) www.alienufoart.com 2.) www.disclosureproject.org 3.) www.seaspower.com 4.) www.fuellesspower.com Sincerely, Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com Original e-mail; (Edited, and revised.): Mrs. Howe, Concepts, and probabilities, for advanced alternative spacecraft, designs, features, and functions. #1. Advanced gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion technology systems, for advanced, alternatively designed spacecraft geometries (Examples: disk craft, and tetrahedral craft). A.) Gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion. B.) Angular gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion matrices (or in other words; gyroscope matrixes). In other words; C.) Redundant mechanical lift, levitation, and propulsion technologies (redundant gyroscope matrices). D.) Advanced designed, extremely high velocity, hermetically sealed in titanium enclosures in high vaccuum, redundant, carbon composite gyroscope flywheel matrices, for spacecraft lift, levitation, and propulsion. #2. Advanced computer technology, and advanced computer control technologies, for navigation and guidance control, as well as on-board test and measurement analysis equipment too. #3. Advanced new energy technologies for spacecraft powerplants, built non-integrated, built modular, and built redundantly. A.) Manmade small scale black holes, scaled to size, using high power, high pressure, focused and directed, resonant, low frequency acoustic sound energy (producible by steam whistles, with deep aluminum parabola's, and acoustically isolated from human hearing.). B.) Black hole turbines. C.) Perfect, isolated, and/or perfect endo-isolated, powerplants (preferably non-nuclear). #4. Dean Kamen, Burt Rutan, and Bill Gates, technologies, plus many other technologies, working cooperatively, in perfect harmony, together. #5. Redundant gyroscope matrices (as already stated) for angular gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion. A.) Note: The summation of the physical weight of the spacecraft itself, plus the weight of the on-board payload, would have to be, and would have to remain within, or remain below, the weight limits of the lift capacity of the spacecraft gyroscope matrix systems. #6. Unified sciences and technologies, to help win America back, from the Communist Chinese crap, and put our top tier scientists here at home, in America, back to work, once again. #7. www.earthfiles@earthfiles.com #8. I would also like to share my insight with Richard Hoagland, and Dr. Steven Greer, as well. This e-mail is kind of speculative, but I don't see anything wrong with it though, as far as it possibly fitting into a pseudoscience category would be concerned. At least, I hope not. I am just a researcher, an amateur experimenter, a freethinker, and an independent. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050222/b663d218/attachment.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 12:29:17 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 22 13:29:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Antigravity/Countergravity/Gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion. (Edited/Revised.) (for Dr. Steven Greer.) In-Reply-To: <20050222200919.43363.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050222202917.45735.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com> Bah! there is a difference between being a mad scientist, and merely being mad. to be merely mad, one only needs to dress up in a tunic made of cucumbers, and sing "the 5 o'clock whistle's on the fritz" in the original kilingon. to be a mad scientist, one must know somethng of science. many of thosee web sites seem to know just enough science to sell snake oil. In short, if they want to be taken seriously by me, they need to show me a working product, that is try of the rigged demo tricks. Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > To all concerned, > > This is an original e-mail/letter that I sent to > Linda Moulton Howe, an investigative > journalist lady who is interviewed occasionally > on Coast To Coast A.M. > Since this e-mail/letter, I have also sent it to > Dr. Steven Greer of The Disclosure Project, > and Space Energy Access Systems (SEAS), > and Richard Hoagland, of www.enterprisemission.com > > Here are a few cool weblinks: > > 1.) www.alienufoart.com > 2.) www.disclosureproject.org > 3.) www.seaspower.com > 4.) www.fuellesspower.com > > Sincerely, Clyde > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > Original e-mail; (Edited, and revised.): > > Mrs. Howe, > > Concepts, and probabilities, for advanced > alternative > spacecraft, designs, features, and functions. > > #1. Advanced gyroscopic lift, levitation, and > propulsion > technology systems, for advanced, alternatively > designed spacecraft geometries (Examples: disk > craft, and tetrahedral craft). > > A.) Gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion. > > B.) Angular gyroscopic lift, levitation, and > propulsion matrices (or in other words; > gyroscope matrixes). > > In other words; > > C.) Redundant mechanical lift, levitation, and > propulsion technologies (redundant gyroscope > matrices). > > D.) Advanced designed, extremely high velocity, > hermetically sealed in titanium enclosures in high > vaccuum, redundant, carbon composite gyroscope > flywheel matrices, for spacecraft lift, levitation, > and > propulsion. > > #2. Advanced computer technology, and advanced > computer control technologies, for navigation and > guidance control, as well as on-board test and > measurement analysis equipment too. > > #3. Advanced new energy technologies for spacecraft > powerplants, built non-integrated, built modular, > and built redundantly. > > A.) Manmade small scale black holes, scaled to > size, using high power, high pressure, focused > and directed, resonant, low frequency acoustic > sound energy (producible by steam whistles, > with deep aluminum parabola's, and acoustically > isolated from human hearing.). > > B.) Black hole turbines. > > C.) Perfect, isolated, and/or perfect endo-isolated, > > powerplants (preferably non-nuclear). > > #4. Dean Kamen, Burt Rutan, and Bill Gates, > technologies, plus many other technologies, > working cooperatively, in perfect harmony, together. > > #5. Redundant gyroscope matrices (as already > stated) for angular gyroscopic lift, levitation, and > > propulsion. > > A.) Note: The summation of the physical weight of > the spacecraft itself, plus the weight of the > on-board > payload, would have to be, and would have to remain > within, or remain below, the weight limits of the > lift > capacity of the spacecraft gyroscope matrix systems. > > #6. Unified sciences and technologies, to help > win America back, from the Communist > Chinese crap, and put our top tier scientists here > at home, in America, back to work, once again. > > #7. www.earthfiles@earthfiles.com > > #8. I would also like to share my insight with > Richard Hoagland, and Dr. Steven Greer, as > well. > This e-mail is kind of speculative, but I don't > see anything wrong with it though, as far as it > possibly fitting into a pseudoscience category > would be concerned. > At least, I hope not. > I am just a researcher, an amateur experimenter, > a freethinker, and an independent. > > Sincerely, Clyde Lofton > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Feb 22 20:47:34 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Feb 22 13:47:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: from "Aaron Agassi" at Feb 22, 2005 01:26:13 PM Message-ID: <20050222204734.14434.qmail@mall-net.com> > I meant, whether we should transition this conversation specifically, back > to the list, as only we two seem interested. I find it interesting. I don't quite understand the points about fandom, as we didn't have theat much trouble with the computer revolution when we were still building kits ourselves... but later computer types tended to be a little closed in New england, where I grew up. > > I am still trying to discern when massachusetts become > > the land of the unfriendly. There were several times > > when the place had a reputation as a very friendly and > > accepting area. Hefron and Sons, B and F, Meshna... Circacia's Circuit Cellar sprang up at some breakfast place in Southern Connecticut, etc. But yes, they didn't have the personal networking, and that is what caused Silicon Valley to rapidly outstrip Boston's tech areas. > > I have a hypothesis that Massachusetts was one of the > > social impact points for the wave of change in fandom. > > > There is also that special New York snootiness! > > And I'd also venture that core values in Fandom eroded with the rest of > society, following the continual swing to the right. I am somewhat clueless as to why "the right" is bad vs "the left". The right pumped an awful lot of dollars into the education and the military complex. the first wave of real entrepreneurs in California came from them and their sons. the military industrial complex was a tremendous conveyor which took relatively unskilled but educated people, gave them progressively more responsibilities, taught them how to manage large groups of people, then let them start their own organizations. I think it also, by having them move to California,, broke a lot of clannish bonds which resulted in a more fluid society as they all started getting to know each other, finding others who shared their interests, etc. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Feb 22 21:35:37 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Feb 22 14:35:39 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Antigravity/Countergravity/Gyroscopic lift, In-Reply-To: <20050222202917.45735.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Feb 22, 2005 12:29:17 PM Message-ID: <20050222213537.75940.qmail@mall-net.com> > > In short, if they want to be taken seriously by me, > they need to show me a working product, that is try of > the rigged demo tricks. RIGHT! You have to actually HAVE that mad scientist moment of your RESULTS disagreeing with commonly accepted science. We don't know if anholonomic gyrotrons work. Someone has to try it. Why not you??? Or are you afraid to shatter your dreams by having it fail? MOST new ideas fail at least once, if not many times before the kinks and bugs are worked out of them. This is normal. You don't get that mad scientist moment without a lot of hard work. But you know, it's worth it! Even if a hundred of your inventions fail, that one that really works and revolutionizes the world is worth Everything! Why else would so many of us be willing to die broke? (Then again, the odds are probably the same for a black kid in the ghetto playing on The Globetrotters or some major football league.) -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 14:40:55 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 22 15:41:09 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Antigravity/Countergravity/Gyroscopic lift, In-Reply-To: <20050222213537.75940.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050222224055.26392.qmail@web51910.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, I haven't really considered playing with the whole contragrav area... I have a list of some 38 projects to work on. I'm also in the process of wholly organizing said projects. I Basic set up II Safety factors and shop multipliers III Preliminary Projects IV bots and blades (what's a mad scientist without his trusty robot and death ray? V Ad Astra (the main category, as my thing is space) VI Operant City (OP-CITY, for my notes) VII By Request I'd be glad to post my notes, as I write them up, if this group is interested... Bob --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > > In short, if they want to be taken seriously by > me, > > they need to show me a working product, that is > try of > > the rigged demo tricks. > > RIGHT! > > You have to actually HAVE that mad scientist > moment of your RESULTS > disagreeing with commonly accepted science. > > We don't know if anholonomic gyrotrons work. > Someone has to try > it. Why not you??? Or are you afraid to shatter > your dreams by having > it fail? MOST new ideas fail at least once, if not > many times before > the kinks and bugs are worked out of them. This is > normal. You don't > get that mad scientist moment without a lot of hard > work. > > But you know, it's worth it! Even if a hundred > of your inventions > fail, that one that really works and revolutionizes > the world is worth > Everything! Why else would so many of us be willing > to die broke? > > (Then again, the odds are probably the same for > a black kid in the > ghetto playing on The Globetrotters or some major > football league.) > > -javilk- mall-net.com > ------------------- IMAGINEERING > -------------------- > --------------- Every click, a vote. > ---------------- > ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? > ---- > -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development > ----- > Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 > ----------------------------------------------------- > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, > Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Feb 22 23:21:40 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Feb 22 16:21:56 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Antigravity/Countergravity/Gyroscopic lift, In-Reply-To: <20050222202917.45735.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Feb 22, 2005 12:29:17 PM Message-ID: <20050222232140.9752.qmail@mall-net.com> Having worked the corporate as a consultant, believe me, if a corporation could find how to get power for even HALF their present energy expenses, they would leap into it with joy!!! And they WOULD help others do it, as a fall in energy costs means a booming economy. You can sell almost anything in a booming economy!!! Every marketing department knows that. Every CEO knows that! Wild horses could not keep the corporates from free energy! But... there is this thing called investment. Before they invest, they have to see how it would boost their bottom line. That is why solar panels, a known free energy product with a 12 year pay-out period, are not that great an investment despite all kinds of tax incentives. Believe me, if solar or ANYTHING was a great investment, the electrical companies would be the first to invest if the capital requirements were high enough to keep end-users out of the market. (I actually did some consulting work for an electrical energy think tank.) if the unit cost were low enough, end-users would be linking up in droves to buy it! We see more and more of that in the solar field, but those people figure it will take them 12 - 16 years to break even on their investments. Not that bad if you plan to live in the same place for the rest of your life. Better if you don't have grid power. But the economics are weak vs other investments, so it's more of an ego / guilt thing. (I run solar and generator power out here. I HATE IT!!! Battery problems, clouds, changing generator oil all the time, very low peak power, etc. To use my microwave, I have to start the medium sized generator, as solar/battery just does not cut it.) > > 1.) www.alienufoart.com An art site. Artists draw what people want to buy. That does not mean anyone actually saw what is drawn. > > 2.) www.disclosureproject.org Nothing obvious. Oh by the way... I have seen the "space aliens" -- that famous big eyed face! You know you've seen that face before somewhere. And you have! You've seen it on long drives through America's heartland. When it walks up to you in the night while you are looking in another direction, it looks just like that alien face in your low resolution peripheral vision. Then Holy Cow! It's a COW!!!! (And you had better be careful, cause that cow weighs several times what you weigh!) I forget the breed, it's a distinctive facial marking for an otherwise mostly black cow. I spent some time on a ranch, grew up between two farms, etc. I saw lots of them. Just like that alien face in the dark!!! It was so funny when I realized what was going on! It also fits the psychology of the "alien cow mutilation" thing. People attribute it to aliens because the "alien face" is associated with cows in their subconscious. So some more tightly wound folks go out and kill the "alien" for looking at them. Or the cow to make it stop looking like the alien, or whatever. They are just nuts. Also, in some Middle Eastern cultures cow eyes are considered a delicacy. > > 3.) www.seaspower.com It is easy to demonstrate "over unity" electromagnetic devices which appear to work. Just get a cheap voltmeter which does not measure using Root-Mean-Square power calculations. The minute you do, you see there is a net power loss, not a net power gain from these transformer-like devices. Hence their insistence on WATTAGE as a measurement. They also do not claim to have actual devices -- they want people to demonstrate devices to them. > > 4.) www.fuellesspower.com No convincing arguments as to how it could work. They had to stop selling the devices, but can sell the plans. That, to me, means th device themselves did not work, but the plans work in the sense that they describe the construction of a device. often in plans such as this, some critical part is either unobtainable ("unobtanium"), or too hard for the average person to fabricate. That kind of scam goes back to before the middle ages when alchemists were trying to make gold out of just about anything, selling recipes for it, etc. Nothing new, folks! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From agassi at erols.com Tue Feb 22 19:01:27 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 22 17:01:45 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: <20050222184019.48132.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:40 PM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > Aaron, > > It *was* the apex of the 30's and the 50's Fan feud. > there was a much smaller stir in the mid 70's. I visit > NYC roughly every 3 weeks. I hang out with some > incurable fen. Why is it that feud vectors (so and so > said this about this other person; I hate that...) are > not in hearing? fen are incapable of keeping shut > regarding politics. > > possiblities: > 1.) the fen are all involved in other feuds outside of > NYC > 2.) the feud virus burned outself out > 3.) the new fen are having to work too much to get > involved in feuds > 4.) the anime fandom serves as a convenient scapegoat > for the classic fen (this one's my bet. the anime fen > have better parties, sex is easier, and the music's > something you can dance to...you can't dance to the > star trek theme...) > Worst of all, Anime Fandom has the temerity to fill the gap left by previous Fandom's infighting, schism and self inflicted injury. Worse still, the Japanese have shown themselves capable of diversifying and marketing Science Fiction and Fantasy to ever broader markets and population segments. All quite unforgivable! > Bob > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > Behalf Of Robert > > > Juliano > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:16 PM > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are interested... > > > > > > I'd like your anecdotes on fandom, as you have > > > experienced it. > > > > > > I'm trying to discover any commonalities of > > situations > > > in fandom for the "average" mad scientist type. > > > > > > At the moment, some of my hypotheses are: > > > 1.) that fandom is serving as a sort of cafe > > culture. > > > 2.) there was a shake (darn near a coup d'etat) > > very > > > early in fandom > > > 3.) there was a second coup sometime in the 50's > > > 4.) Chicago, Philadelphia, and (much later) Boston > > and > > > Washington, DC served as focal points for fandom. > > (for > > > some reason, the divisive attitudes in fandom are > > not > > > easily observed in the NYC GMA) > > > > > You gotta be kidding! Why, New York is the notorious > > apex of fan feud! > > > > > > > I thought I'd throw out a project idea to the > > group (I > > > can't test this project until my wife and I find a > > > house...) > > > > > > using copper based ink, on a 600 DPI printer, I'd > > > print 300 lines of "wire" per sheet of > > polyethylene > > > plastic. Then, layer the plastic 250/in. > > > > > > have the sheets be 1 in wide, 13.2 feet long... > > > > > > the static collected should have a total charge of > > > v=(ht/3.3)*100, i=1.7e-7... therefore, charge > > induced > > > is (v^2) *1.7e-7...2448 watts per square inch... > > > > > > I want to try this out. > > > > > > an easier project that I will be working on is > > turning > > > a few handfuls of parts and a cheap r/c car into a > > > directed robot. > > > > > > Bob From agassi at erols.com Tue Feb 22 19:11:36 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 22 17:11:49 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: <20050222185555.35057.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:56 PM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > Aaron, > > I suppose, if I were pressed, I might use something on > the order of the jobs classification chart from the > TSR game "top secret" (it's a starting paradigm, at > least.) > I'm afraid I don't have that handy. > I have been figuring that I need a clerk, a secretary > (more in the english sense, as opposed to the standard > american jokes of the young thing in not much at the > front desk, or under the boss's desk...), a few work > crew... things of that nature. > > As to the treatment of fandom. I don't have any hard > and fast solutions at this time. I guess I am still > trying to find out what happened, and then why did it > happen. Then I can start prescribing solutions. > But I do have some ideas on that front. Which I why I asked if you where interested. > I *can* give a number of observations: > 1.) any group without a coherent, concise core > philosophy will experience factionlism, paralysis, > idealogical cancer, and something very much like the > political actions we have seen demonstrated by the > neo-conservative movement. > 2.) any group has members consistently act in a manner > in conflict with the core philosophy, shall suffer > from those effects listed above. > 3.) any group not actively trying to maintain its > stated core philosophy, shall develop one via default. > 4.) any group whose core philosophy has changed via > default, shall see members experiencing differential > angst forming into supporting non useful changes, and > against possibly useful changes. > > I believe that (with more work on the matter at hand) > I should be able to start creating a series of social > tools to help - dare I say "save?" - fandom. > As you may have noticed, I already have a few on my personal mad science drawing board, FoolQuest.com But also some still kept closer to the vest. > Bob > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > Bodyguards are an easily recognizable and specific > category. Beyond > that, however, more broadly, what > are the hench-qualifications or > > job description of however similar minions? > > > > My own search, after all, is for collaborators and > coconspirators on a > range of wider mad science have > caught my interest, as variously > > specified on FoolQuest.com > > > > Which reminds me, Robert Juliano, you never answered > > my trailing question as regards treatment for the > malaise of Fandom. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > Behalf Of Robert > > > Juliano > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:31 PM > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > On a side note, > > > > > > I am also working on a manual for prospective > > minions, > > > body-guards, and people of hench (mustn't get > > tarred > > > with the sexist brush...) > > > > > > anybody interested? > > > > > > Bob From agassi at erols.com Tue Feb 22 19:11:36 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 22 17:11:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050222204734.14434.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of > javilk@mall-net.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 3:48 PM > To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. > > > > I meant, whether we should transition this conversation > specifically, back > > to the list, as only we two seem interested. > > I find it interesting. I don't quite understand the points about > fandom, as we didn't have theat much trouble with the computer > revolution when we were still building kits ourselves... but later > computer types tended to be a little closed in New england, where I grew > up. > > > > I am still trying to discern when massachusetts become > > > the land of the unfriendly. There were several times > > > when the place had a reputation as a very friendly and > > > accepting area. > > Hefron and Sons, B and F, Meshna... Circacia's Circuit Cellar > sprang up at some breakfast place in Southern Connecticut, etc. > > But yes, they didn't have the personal networking, and that is what > caused Silicon Valley to rapidly outstrip Boston's tech areas. > > > > I have a hypothesis that Massachusetts was one of the > > > social impact points for the wave of change in fandom. > > > > > There is also that special New York snootiness! > > > > And I'd also venture that core values in Fandom eroded with the rest of > > society, following the continual swing to the right. > > I am somewhat clueless as to why "the right" is bad vs "the left". > The right pumped an awful lot of dollars into the education and the > military complex. the first wave of real entrepreneurs in California > came from them and their sons. the military industrial complex was a > tremendous conveyor which took relatively unskilled but educated people, > gave them progressively more responsibilities, taught them how to manage > large groups of people, then let them start their own organizations. > > I think it also, by having them move to California,, broke a lot > of clannish bonds which resulted in a more fluid society as they all > started getting to know each other, finding others who shared their > interests, etc. > All fine and good. But look around you at the right now a days! When we speak of the shift to the right, we are seldom speaking of convivial cocktail parties for rocket engineers! > -javilk- mall-net.com > ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- > --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- > ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- > -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- > Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 > ----------------------------------------------------- > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, > Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 18:11:08 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 22 19:11:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Antigravity/Countergravity/Gyroscopic lift, In-Reply-To: <20050222232140.9752.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050223021109.75317.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, Thank you sir, for your straight forward method of dealing with those sites. Bob PS I have been working out the plans for the house my wife and I get to be off the grid, using wind, composter and concentrator mirrors hooked to PV solar cells (more power for less solar cell.) --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > Having worked the corporate as a consultant, > believe me, if a > corporation could find how to get power for even > HALF their present > energy expenses, they would leap into it with joy!!! > And they WOULD > help others do it, as a fall in energy costs means a > booming economy. > You can sell almost anything in a booming economy!!! > Every marketing > department knows that. Every CEO knows that! Wild > horses could not > keep the corporates from free energy! > > But... there is this thing called investment. > Before they invest, > they have to see how it would boost their bottom > line. That is why > solar panels, a known free energy product with a 12 > year pay-out period, > are not that great an investment despite all kinds > of tax incentives. > > Believe me, if solar or ANYTHING was a great > investment, the > electrical companies would be the first to invest if > the capital > requirements were high enough to keep end-users out > of the market. > (I actually did some consulting work for an > electrical energy think > tank.) > > if the unit cost were low enough, end-users > would be linking up in > droves to buy it! We see more and more of that in > the solar field, but > those people figure it will take them 12 - 16 years > to break even on > their investments. Not that bad if you plan to live > in the same place > for the rest of your life. Better if you don't have > grid power. But > the economics are weak vs other investments, so it's > more of an ego / > guilt thing. > > (I run solar and generator power out here. I > HATE IT!!! Battery > problems, clouds, changing generator oil all the > time, very low peak > power, etc. To use my microwave, I have to start > the medium sized > generator, as solar/battery just does not cut it.) > > > > 1.) www.alienufoart.com > > An art site. Artists draw what people want to > buy. That does not > mean anyone actually saw what is drawn. > > > > 2.) www.disclosureproject.org > > Nothing obvious. > > Oh by the way... I have seen the "space aliens" > -- that famous big > eyed face! You know you've seen that face before > somewhere. And you > have! You've seen it on long drives through > America's heartland. When > it walks up to you in the night while you are > looking in another > direction, it looks just like that alien face in > your low resolution > peripheral vision. Then Holy Cow! It's a COW!!!! > (And you had better > be careful, cause that cow weighs several times what > you weigh!) > > I forget the breed, it's a distinctive facial > marking for an > otherwise mostly black cow. I spent some time on a > ranch, grew up > between two farms, etc. I saw lots of them. Just > like that alien face > in the dark!!! It was so funny when I realized what > was going on! > > It also fits the psychology of the "alien cow > mutilation" thing. > People attribute it to aliens because the "alien > face" is associated > with cows in their subconscious. So some more > tightly wound folks go > out and kill the "alien" for looking at them. Or > the cow to make it > stop looking like the alien, or whatever. They are > just nuts. > > Also, in some Middle Eastern cultures cow eyes > are considered a > delicacy. > > > > 3.) www.seaspower.com > > It is easy to demonstrate "over unity" > electromagnetic devices > which appear to work. Just get a cheap voltmeter > which does not measure > using Root-Mean-Square power calculations. The > minute you do, you see > there is a net power loss, not a net power gain from > these > transformer-like devices. > > Hence their insistence on WATTAGE as a > measurement. They also do > not claim to have actual devices -- they want people > to demonstrate > devices to them. > > > > 4.) www.fuellesspower.com > > No convincing arguments as to how it could > work. They had to stop > selling the devices, but can sell the plans. That, > to me, means th > device themselves did not work, but the plans work > in the sense that > they describe the construction of a device. often > in plans such as > this, some critical part is either unobtainable > ("unobtanium"), or too > hard for the average person to fabricate. > > That kind of scam goes back to before the > middle ages when > alchemists were trying to make gold out of just > about anything, selling > recipes for it, etc. Nothing new, folks! > > -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) > CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what > to do. > Nothing in this document should be construed as > medical advice. > My opinions are subject to the availability of > information. > I learn new things each day, and so may change my > opinions. > > For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who > practices > orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend > mine. > Today's > Art Photo > Chem / > Fungus allergies > Dr. > Cathcart / Vit C. > > Arthritis > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights > reserverd. > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 18:17:03 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 22 19:17:14 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050223021703.18062.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > Worst of all, Anime Fandom has the temerity to fill the gap left by > previous Fandom's infighting, schism and self inflicted injury. Worse > still, the Japanese have shown themselves capable of diversifying and > marketing Science Fiction and Fantasy to ever broader markets and > population segments. All quite unforgivable! Possibly worse than those points, is the fact that anime achieved something that fandom kept priding itself on and yet - save for some strange groups like the minnesota fan groups - never achieved : the easy hook up. Fandom has always had a certain reputation for "finding many playful friends." As many long timers know, this is much less than the truth. Anime fandom, on the other hand is somewhat jarring in the matter of fact, little shyness, direct attitude towards sex. Maybe it is based somewhat on the japanese attitude towards sex. But it is their if you want it. Match yourself to the sub group you like, and bon appetit. Bob (who has to actively brandish his wedding ring to be left alone) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 18:31:25 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 22 19:31:32 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050223023125.22041.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> dear all, 1.) I would propose that the computer network is what actually put a stake in the heart of what classic fandom had become. Internet allows rapid communication, a "sharing of notes, and comparing odds" if you will. Fandom absolutely depended on the perception that they were the only game in town, with the implication that a person having trouble with a particular piece of fandom was the trouble himself, not fandom. With internet and - at least in some ways - the older BBS nets, fans that had felt ousted were able to realize the problem wasn't entirely them. This is when fannish groups seemed to start playing different games of gutter ball. All of a sudden, fandom was "where the cool people were." people smoked in fandom, people took drugs in fandom, people would have sex with you in fandom, and of course we were all smarter than those narsty mundanes. That was the perception. It killed a fair number of fannish forces (the knights of saint fantony used to be a power for good...) 2.) I think that the feverish froth of networking that took place in silicon valley actually helped establish the small but growing rocketry community. Otherwise, the rocketry folks might have rejoined fandom sometime in the mid 60's. (most rocketry geeks I know are tolerant, yet highly wary of neo-hippies. as one BAR told me "hippies get stoned. stoned ain't a good thing to be around APCP.") 3.) It would appear that the Right seems to be interested more in either getting the rocketeers to join an armed service, or get them to work cheap for a company. Not what I would call convivial. Mind you, the far left seems to be bent on outright outlawry of large scale model rockets. Bob (the militant moderate : "rational discussion of the issues as soon as mutually agreeable!") --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > times > > > > when the place had a reputation as a very > friendly and > > > > accepting area. > > > > > > But yes, they didn't have the personal > networking, and that is what > > caused Silicon Valley to rapidly outstrip Boston's > tech areas. > > > > > > I have a hypothesis that Massachusetts was one > of the > > > > social impact points for the wave of change in > fandom. > > > > > > > There is also that special New York snootiness! > > > > > > And I'd also venture that core values in Fandom > eroded with the rest of > > > society, following the continual swing to the > right. > > > > I am somewhat clueless as to why "the right" > is bad vs "the left". > > The right pumped an awful lot of dollars into the > education and the > > military complex. the first wave of real > entrepreneurs in California > > came from them and their sons. the military > industrial complex was a > > tremendous conveyor which took relatively > unskilled but educated people, > > gave them progressively more responsibilities, > taught them how to manage > > large groups of people, then let them start their > own organizations. > > > > I think it also, by having them move to > California,, broke a lot > > of clannish bonds which resulted in a more fluid > society as they all > > started getting to know each other, finding others > who shared their > > interests, etc. > > > All fine and good. But look around you at the right > now a days! When we > speak of the shift to the right, we are seldom > speaking of convivial > cocktail parties for rocket engineers! > > > > -javilk- mall-net.com > > ------------------- IMAGINEERING > -------------------- > > --------------- Every click, a vote. > ---------------- > > ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? > ---- > > -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free > -- > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development > ----- > > Serving the World for three generations, since > 1933 > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) > 2005, > > Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. > > _______________________________________________ > > Mad-Scientists mailing list > > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 18:35:25 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 22 19:35:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050223023526.84018.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com> Aaron, yes, I am interested. I am also interested in setting up some social experiments at different conventions. One set is to have someone be willing to cause a ruckus (a replicable ruckus, mind you) at different conventions. Then we record the actions of the convention. Bob --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > Behalf Of Robert > > Juliano > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:56 PM > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > I suppose, if I were pressed, I might use > something on > > the order of the jobs classification chart from > the > > TSR game "top secret" (it's a starting paradigm, > at > > least.) > > > I'm afraid I don't have that handy. > > > > I have been figuring that I need a clerk, a > secretary > > (more in the english sense, as opposed to the > standard > > american jokes of the young thing in not much at > the > > front desk, or under the boss's desk...), a few > work > > crew... things of that nature. > > > > As to the treatment of fandom. I don't have any > hard > > and fast solutions at this time. I guess I am > still > > trying to find out what happened, and then why did > it > > happen. Then I can start prescribing solutions. > > > But I do have some ideas on that front. Which I why > I asked if you where > interested. > > > > I *can* give a number of observations: > > 1.) any group without a coherent, concise core > > philosophy will experience factionlism, paralysis, > > idealogical cancer, and something very much like > the > > political actions we have seen demonstrated by the > > neo-conservative movement. > > 2.) any group has members consistently act in a > manner > > in conflict with the core philosophy, shall suffer > > from those effects listed above. > > 3.) any group not actively trying to maintain its > > stated core philosophy, shall develop one via > default. > > 4.) any group whose core philosophy has changed > via > > default, shall see members experiencing > differential > > angst forming into supporting non useful changes, > and > > against possibly useful changes. > > > > I believe that (with more work on the matter at > hand) > > I should be able to start creating a series of > social > > tools to help - dare I say "save?" - fandom. > > > As you may have noticed, I already have a few on my > personal mad science > drawing board, FoolQuest.com But also some still > kept closer to the vest. > > > > Bob > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > Bodyguards are an easily recognizable and > specific > > category. Beyond > that, however, more broadly, > what > > are the hench-qualifications or > > > job description of however similar minions? > > > > > > My own search, after all, is for collaborators > and > > coconspirators on a > range of wider mad science > have > > caught my interest, as variously > > > specified on FoolQuest.com > > > > > > Which reminds me, Robert Juliano, you never > answered > > > my trailing question as regards treatment for > the > > malaise of Fandom. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > Juliano > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:31 PM > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On a side note, > > > > > > > > I am also working on a manual for prospective > > > minions, > > > > body-guards, and people of hench (mustn't get > > > tarred > > > > with the sexist brush...) > > > > > > > > anybody interested? > > > > > > > > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From agassi at erols.com Tue Feb 22 22:06:26 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 22 20:06:40 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: <20050223023526.84018.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:35 PM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > Aaron, > > yes, I am interested. What might actually be considered to sensitive for simply posting to the list? Please advise criterion and guide lines. >I am also interested in setting > up some social experiments at different conventions. Can we promote as hack or LARP? > One set is to have someone be willing to cause a > ruckus (a replicable ruckus, mind you) at different > conventions. Then we record the actions of the > convention. > It might also rather depend in weather the people involved are popular or not. > Bob > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > Behalf Of Robert > > > Juliano > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:56 PM > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > I suppose, if I were pressed, I might use > > something on > > > the order of the jobs classification chart from > > the > > > TSR game "top secret" (it's a starting paradigm, > > at > > > least.) > > > > > I'm afraid I don't have that handy. > > > > > > > I have been figuring that I need a clerk, a > > secretary > > > (more in the english sense, as opposed to the > > standard > > > american jokes of the young thing in not much at > > the > > > front desk, or under the boss's desk...), a few > > work > > > crew... things of that nature. > > > > > > As to the treatment of fandom. I don't have any > > hard > > > and fast solutions at this time. I guess I am > > still > > > trying to find out what happened, and then why did > > it > > > happen. Then I can start prescribing solutions. > > > > > But I do have some ideas on that front. Which I why > > I asked if you where > > interested. > > > > > > > I *can* give a number of observations: > > > 1.) any group without a coherent, concise core > > > philosophy will experience factionlism, paralysis, > > > idealogical cancer, and something very much like > > the > > > political actions we have seen demonstrated by the > > > neo-conservative movement. > > > 2.) any group has members consistently act in a > > manner > > > in conflict with the core philosophy, shall suffer > > > from those effects listed above. > > > 3.) any group not actively trying to maintain its > > > stated core philosophy, shall develop one via > > default. > > > 4.) any group whose core philosophy has changed > > via > > > default, shall see members experiencing > > differential > > > angst forming into supporting non useful changes, > > and > > > against possibly useful changes. > > > > > > I believe that (with more work on the matter at > > hand) > > > I should be able to start creating a series of > > social > > > tools to help - dare I say "save?" - fandom. > > > > > As you may have noticed, I already have a few on my > > personal mad science > > drawing board, FoolQuest.com But also some still > > kept closer to the vest. > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > Bodyguards are an easily recognizable and > > specific > > > category. Beyond > that, however, more broadly, > > what > > > are the hench-qualifications or > > > > job description of however similar minions? > > > > > > > > My own search, after all, is for collaborators > > and > > > coconspirators on a > range of wider mad science > > have > > > caught my interest, as variously > > > > specified on FoolQuest.com > > > > > > > > Which reminds me, Robert Juliano, you never > > answered > > > > my trailing question as regards treatment for > > the > > > malaise of Fandom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > Juliano > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:31 PM > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a > > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On a side note, > > > > > > > > > > I am also working on a manual for prospective > > > > minions, > > > > > body-guards, and people of hench (mustn't get > > > > tarred > > > > > with the sexist brush...) > > > > > > > > > > anybody interested? > > > > > > > > > > Bob From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 21:00:35 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 22 22:00:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050223050035.58578.qmail@web51910.mail.yahoo.com> Aaron, 1.) I intend to set up experiments regarding: 1a.) use of language 1b.) mating and dating 1c.) implied force versus actual force 2.) I want to set up situations wherein two or more people say the EXACT same things to certain target members of fandom 2a.) I want an "unpopular" person to make a simple, neutral based request 2b.) I want a "very popular" person to make a wildly inappropriate request. 2c.) I will then tabulate the responses. Bob --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > Behalf Of Robert > > Juliano > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:35 PM > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > yes, I am interested. > > What might actually be considered to sensitive for > simply posting to the > list? Please advise criterion and guide lines. > > >I am also interested in setting > > up some social experiments at different > conventions. > > Can we promote as hack or LARP? > > > One set is to have someone be willing to cause a > > ruckus (a replicable ruckus, mind you) at > different > > conventions. Then we record the actions of the > > convention. > > > It might also rather depend in weather the people > involved are popular or > not. > > > > Bob > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > Juliano > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:56 PM > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > I suppose, if I were pressed, I might use > > > something on > > > > the order of the jobs classification chart > from > > > the > > > > TSR game "top secret" (it's a starting > paradigm, > > > at > > > > least.) > > > > > > > I'm afraid I don't have that handy. > > > > > > > > > > I have been figuring that I need a clerk, a > > > secretary > > > > (more in the english sense, as opposed to the > > > standard > > > > american jokes of the young thing in not much > at > > > the > > > > front desk, or under the boss's desk...), a > few > > > work > > > > crew... things of that nature. > > > > > > > > As to the treatment of fandom. I don't have > any > > > hard > > > > and fast solutions at this time. I guess I am > > > still > > > > trying to find out what happened, and then why > did > > > it > > > > happen. Then I can start prescribing > solutions. > > > > > > > But I do have some ideas on that front. Which I > why > > > I asked if you where > > > interested. > > > > > > > > > > I *can* give a number of observations: > > > > 1.) any group without a coherent, concise core > > > > philosophy will experience factionlism, > paralysis, > > > > idealogical cancer, and something very much > like > > > the > > > > political actions we have seen demonstrated by > the > > > > neo-conservative movement. > > > > 2.) any group has members consistently act in > a > > > manner > > > > in conflict with the core philosophy, shall > suffer > > > > from those effects listed above. > > > > 3.) any group not actively trying to maintain > its > > > > stated core philosophy, shall develop one via > > > default. > > > > 4.) any group whose core philosophy has > changed > > > via > > > > default, shall see members experiencing > > > differential > > > > angst forming into supporting non useful > changes, > > > and > > > > against possibly useful changes. > > > > > > > > I believe that (with more work on the matter > at > > > hand) > > > > I should be able to start creating a series of > > > social > > > > tools to help - dare I say "save?" - fandom. > > > > > > > As you may have noticed, I already have a few on > my > > > personal mad science > > > drawing board, FoolQuest.com But also some still > > > kept closer to the vest. > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bodyguards are an easily recognizable and > > > specific > > > > category. Beyond > that, however, more > broadly, > > > what > > > > are the hench-qualifications or > > > > > job description of however similar minions? > > > > > > > > > > My own search, after all, is for > collaborators > > > and > > > > coconspirators on a > range of wider mad > science > > > have > > > > caught my interest, as variously > > > > > specified on FoolQuest.com > > > > > > > > > > Which reminds me, Robert Juliano, you never > > > answered > > > > > my trailing question as regards treatment > for > > > the > > > > malaise of Fandom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: > > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > > Juliano > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:31 PM > > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a > > > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On a side note, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also working on a manual for > prospective > > > > > minions, > > > > > > body-guards, and people of hench (mustn't > get > > > > > tarred > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Feb 23 05:08:52 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Feb 22 22:08:54 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Antigravity/Countergravity/Gyroscopic lift, In-Reply-To: <20050223021109.75317.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Feb 22, 2005 06:11:08 PM Message-ID: <20050223050852.44820.qmail@mall-net.com> > PS I have been working out the plans for the house my > wife and I get to > be off the grid, using wind, composter and > concentrator mirrors hooked to PV solar cells (more > power for less solar cell.) I believe last year or the year before, there was a breakthrough which is expected to cause solar cell prices to fall substantially "in the near future." (So they've risen!) No longer do the cells have to be ultra-smooth. If the upper coating is the right fractional wavelength in thickness, the electrons will travel easily even over surface irregularities. Or so the article went. Estimates on cell price reduction were over a factor of ten. However... do note that the cell itself is not the entire price of a panel, nor are installation and operation costs limited to the price of a panel. Thus panel prices will not fall anywhere near as much, nor will the price of a full installed system. Especially since market expectations set the price, not manufacturing costs. If they go down by a factor of two or three, I may add panels to my system. The real problem is matching the panels in orientation (with active tracking) so that one panel does not suppress another by rising to a higher voltage. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From agassi at erols.com Wed Feb 23 00:14:28 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 22 22:14:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: <20050223050035.58578.qmail@web51910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, Rob, your experiments are by far more modest than mine. Not that you've actually answered my questions. > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:01 AM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > Aaron, > > 1.) I intend to set up experiments regarding: > 1a.) use of language > 1b.) mating and dating > 1c.) implied force versus actual force > > 2.) I want to set up situations wherein two or more > people say the EXACT same things to certain target > members of fandom > 2a.) I want an "unpopular" person to make a simple, > neutral based request > 2b.) I want a "very popular" person to make a wildly > inappropriate request. > 2c.) I will then tabulate the responses. > > Bob > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > Behalf Of Robert > > > Juliano > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:35 PM > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > yes, I am interested. > > > > What might actually be considered to sensitive for > > simply posting to the > > list? Please advise criterion and guide lines. > > > > >I am also interested in setting > > > up some social experiments at different > > conventions. > > > > Can we promote as hack or LARP? > > > > > One set is to have someone be willing to cause a > > > ruckus (a replicable ruckus, mind you) at > > different > > > conventions. Then we record the actions of the > > > convention. > > > > > It might also rather depend in weather the people > > involved are popular or > > not. > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > Juliano > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:56 PM > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a > > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > I suppose, if I were pressed, I might use > > > > something on > > > > > the order of the jobs classification chart > > from > > > > the > > > > > TSR game "top secret" (it's a starting > > paradigm, > > > > at > > > > > least.) > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I don't have that handy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been figuring that I need a clerk, a > > > > secretary > > > > > (more in the english sense, as opposed to the > > > > standard > > > > > american jokes of the young thing in not much > > at > > > > the > > > > > front desk, or under the boss's desk...), a > > few > > > > work > > > > > crew... things of that nature. > > > > > > > > > > As to the treatment of fandom. I don't have > > any > > > > hard > > > > > and fast solutions at this time. I guess I am > > > > still > > > > > trying to find out what happened, and then why > > did > > > > it > > > > > happen. Then I can start prescribing > > solutions. > > > > > > > > > But I do have some ideas on that front. Which I > > why > > > > I asked if you where > > > > interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I *can* give a number of observations: > > > > > 1.) any group without a coherent, concise core > > > > > philosophy will experience factionlism, > > paralysis, > > > > > idealogical cancer, and something very much > > like > > > > the > > > > > political actions we have seen demonstrated by > > the > > > > > neo-conservative movement. > > > > > 2.) any group has members consistently act in > > a > > > > manner > > > > > in conflict with the core philosophy, shall > > suffer > > > > > from those effects listed above. > > > > > 3.) any group not actively trying to maintain > > its > > > > > stated core philosophy, shall develop one via > > > > default. > > > > > 4.) any group whose core philosophy has > > changed > > > > via > > > > > default, shall see members experiencing > > > > differential > > > > > angst forming into supporting non useful > > changes, > > > > and > > > > > against possibly useful changes. > > > > > > > > > > I believe that (with more work on the matter > > at > > > > hand) > > > > > I should be able to start creating a series of > > > > social > > > > > tools to help - dare I say "save?" - fandom. > > > > > > > > > As you may have noticed, I already have a few on > > my > > > > personal mad science > > > > drawing board, FoolQuest.com But also some still > > > > kept closer to the vest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Bodyguards are an easily recognizable and > > > > specific > > > > > category. Beyond > that, however, more > > broadly, > > > > what > > > > > are the hench-qualifications or > > > > > > job description of however similar minions? > > > > > > > > > > > > My own search, after all, is for > > collaborators > > > > and > > > > > coconspirators on a > range of wider mad > > science > > > > have > > > > > caught my interest, as variously > > > > > > specified on FoolQuest.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Which reminds me, Robert Juliano, you never > > > > answered > > > > > > my trailing question as regards treatment > > for > > > > the > > > > > malaise of Fandom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > > > Juliano > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:31 PM > > > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a > > > > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On a side note, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also working on a manual for > > prospective > > > > > > minions, > > > > > > > body-guards, and people of hench (mustn't > > get > > > > > > tarred > > > === message truncated === > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 21:30:07 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 22 22:30:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050223053007.23442.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> Aaron, rememeber, experimentation involves small changes in graduated steps. As to promoting the experiments as a hack... basically, the whole thing *is* a hack. As a LARP? I hadn't really given the idea any thought until you had mentioned it. I like the concept, but I don't have any mental threads with which to travel. As to overly sensitive: *bringing real weaponry to a con without serious advance written authorization. I have considered bringing a working laser in rifle form (150 1 watt LED's and a good lasing crystal, big deal) to the 2006 worldcon in LA. I'm already in contact with the ATF on this issue. *actual orgies at the convention. *bringing up heavy political issues without advance planning. Bob --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > Well, Rob, your experiments are by far more modest > than mine. Not that > you've actually answered my questions. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > Behalf Of Robert > > Juliano > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:01 AM > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > 1.) I intend to set up experiments regarding: > > 1a.) use of language > > 1b.) mating and dating > > 1c.) implied force versus actual force > > > > 2.) I want to set up situations wherein two or > more > > people say the EXACT same things to certain target > > members of fandom > > 2a.) I want an "unpopular" person to make a > simple, > > neutral based request > > 2b.) I want a "very popular" person to make a > wildly > > inappropriate request. > > 2c.) I will then tabulate the responses. > > > > Bob > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > Juliano > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:35 PM > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > yes, I am interested. > > > > > > What might actually be considered to sensitive > for > > > simply posting to the > > > list? Please advise criterion and guide lines. > > > > > > >I am also interested in setting > > > > up some social experiments at different > > > conventions. > > > > > > Can we promote as hack or LARP? > > > > > > > One set is to have someone be willing to cause > a > > > > ruckus (a replicable ruckus, mind you) at > > > different > > > > conventions. Then we record the actions of the > > > > convention. > > > > > > > It might also rather depend in weather the > people > > > involved are popular or > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: > > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > > Juliano > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:56 PM > > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a > > > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose, if I were pressed, I might use > > > > > something on > > > > > > the order of the jobs classification chart > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > TSR game "top secret" (it's a starting > > > paradigm, > > > > > at > > > > > > least.) > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I don't have that handy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been figuring that I need a clerk, > a > > > > > secretary > > > > > > (more in the english sense, as opposed to > the > > > > > standard > > > > > > american jokes of the young thing in not > much > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > front desk, or under the boss's desk...), > a > > > few > > > > > work > > > > > > crew... things of that nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the treatment of fandom. I don't > have > > > any > > > > > hard > > > > > > and fast solutions at this time. I guess I > am > > > > > still > > > > > > trying to find out what happened, and then > why > > > did > > > > > it > > > > > > happen. Then I can start prescribing > > > solutions. > > > > > > > > > > > But I do have some ideas on that front. > Which I > > > why > > > > > I asked if you where > > > > > interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I *can* give a number of observations: > > > > > > 1.) any group without a coherent, concise > core > > > > > > philosophy will experience factionlism, > > > paralysis, > > > > > > idealogical cancer, and something very > much > > > like > > > > > the > > > > > > political actions we have seen > demonstrated by > > > the > > > > > > neo-conservative movement. > > > > > > 2.) any group has members consistently act > in > > > a > > > > > manner > > > > > > in conflict with the core philosophy, > shall > > > suffer > > > > > > from those effects listed above. > > > > > > 3.) any group not actively trying to > maintain > > > its > > > > > > stated core philosophy, shall develop one > via > > > > > default. > > > > > > 4.) any group whose core philosophy has > > > changed > > > > > via > > > > > > default, shall see members experiencing > > > > > differential > > > > > > angst forming into supporting non useful > > > changes, > > > > > and > > > > > > against possibly useful changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that (with more work on the > matter > > > at > > > > > hand) > > > > > > I should be able to start creating a > series of > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From agassi at erols.com Wed Feb 23 01:10:04 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 22 23:10:25 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: <20050223053007.23442.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:30 AM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > Aaron, > > rememeber, experimentation involves small changes in > graduated steps. > > As to promoting the experiments as a hack... > basically, the whole thing *is* a hack. > > As a LARP? I hadn't really given the idea any thought > until you had mentioned it. I like the concept, but I > don't have any mental threads with which to travel. > Any sociological simulation is LARPable. > As to overly sensitive: > *bringing real weaponry to a con without serious > advance written authorization. I have considered > bringing a working laser in rifle form (150 1 watt > LED's and a good lasing crystal, big deal) to the 2006 > worldcon in LA. I'm already in contact with the ATF on > this issue. > *actual orgies at the convention. In a hotel room, or right there on the mezzanine? And of what orientation(s)? Generally, men are more easily recruited, after all. Indeed, some might hail the persuasion of desirable women, experimental success in and of itself! > *bringing up heavy political issues without advance > planning. > Spontaneity in politics? Heavens! > Bob > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > Well, Rob, your experiments are by far more modest > > than mine. Not that > > you've actually answered my questions. And you still haven't. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > Behalf Of Robert > > > Juliano > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:01 AM > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > 1.) I intend to set up experiments regarding: > > > 1a.) use of language > > > 1b.) mating and dating > > > 1c.) implied force versus actual force > > > > > > 2.) I want to set up situations wherein two or > > more > > > people say the EXACT same things to certain target > > > members of fandom > > > 2a.) I want an "unpopular" person to make a > > simple, > > > neutral based request > > > 2b.) I want a "very popular" person to make a > > wildly > > > inappropriate request. > > > 2c.) I will then tabulate the responses. > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > Juliano > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:35 PM > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a > > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > yes, I am interested. > > > > > > > > What might actually be considered to sensitive > > for > > > > simply posting to the > > > > list? Please advise criterion and guide lines. > > > > > > > > >I am also interested in setting > > > > > up some social experiments at different > > > > conventions. > > > > > > > > Can we promote as hack or LARP? > > > > > > > > > One set is to have someone be willing to cause > > a > > > > > ruckus (a replicable ruckus, mind you) at > > > > different > > > > > conventions. Then we record the actions of the > > > > > convention. > > > > > > > > > It might also rather depend in weather the > > people > > > > involved are popular or > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > > > Juliano > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:56 PM > > > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a > > > > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose, if I were pressed, I might use > > > > > > something on > > > > > > > the order of the jobs classification chart > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > TSR game "top secret" (it's a starting > > > > paradigm, > > > > > > at > > > > > > > least.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I don't have that handy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been figuring that I need a clerk, > > a > > > > > > secretary > > > > > > > (more in the english sense, as opposed to > > the > > > > > > standard > > > > > > > american jokes of the young thing in not > > much > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > front desk, or under the boss's desk...), > > a > > > > few > > > > > > work > > > > > > > crew... things of that nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the treatment of fandom. I don't > > have > > > > any > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > and fast solutions at this time. I guess I > > am > > > > > > still > > > > > > > trying to find out what happened, and then > > why > > > > did > > > > > > it > > > > > > > happen. Then I can start prescribing > > > > solutions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I do have some ideas on that front. > > Which I > > > > why > > > > > > I asked if you where > > > > > > interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I *can* give a number of observations: > > > > > > > 1.) any group without a coherent, concise > > core > > > > > > > philosophy will experience factionlism, > > > > paralysis, > > > > > > > idealogical cancer, and something very > > much > > > > like > > > > > > the > > > > > > > political actions we have seen > > demonstrated by > > > > the > > > > > > > neo-conservative movement. > > > > > > > 2.) any group has members consistently act > > in > > > > a > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > in conflict with the core philosophy, > > shall > > > > suffer > > > > > > > from those effects listed above. > > > > > > > 3.) any group not actively trying to > > maintain > > > > its > > > > > > > stated core philosophy, shall develop one > > via > > > > > > default. > > > > > > > 4.) any group whose core philosophy has > > > > changed > > > > > > via > > > > > > > default, shall see members experiencing > > > > > > differential > > > > > > > angst forming into supporting non useful > > > > changes, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > against possibly useful changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that (with more work on the > > matter > > > > at > > > > > > hand) > > > > > > > I should be able to start creating a > > series of > > > === message truncated === > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Feb 23 06:14:11 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Feb 22 23:14:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050223023125.22041.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Feb 22, 2005 06:31:25 PM Message-ID: <20050223061411.27838.qmail@mall-net.com> > 1.) I would propose that the computer network is what > actually put a stake in the heart of what classic > fandom had become. Internet allows rapid Cult like??? > communication, a "sharing of notes, and comparing > odds" if you will. Fandom absolutely depended on the > perception that they were the only game in town, with > the implication that a person having trouble with a > particular piece of fandom was the trouble himself, > not fandom. With internet and - at least in some ways > - the older BBS nets, fans that had felt ousted were > able to realize the problem wasn't entirely them. This > is when fannish groups seemed to start playing > different games of gutter ball. All of a sudden, > fandom was "where the cool people were." people smoked > in fandom, people took drugs in fandom, people would > have sex with you in fandom, and of course we were all > smarter than those narsty mundanes. That was the > perception. It killed a fair number of fannish forces > (the knights of saint fantony used to be a power for > good...) Oh, yea, any self selected group of fruitcakes. (Hmmm... are we fruitcakes of a different color? To some people, yes.) I might recommend you check the "Advanced Bonwits Cult Danger Evaluation Frame" http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html Based on that, do they seem cult-like? > 2.) I think that the feverish froth of networking that > took place in silicon valley actually helped establish > the small but growing rocketry community. Otherwise, > the rocketry folks might have rejoined fandom sometime > in the mid 60's. (most rocketry geeks I know are > tolerant, yet highly wary of neo-hippies. as one BAR > told me "hippies get stoned. stoned ain't a good thing > to be around APCP.") One thing I've encountered in some of these nerdy-tech groups, is a broad scale brittleness of character, general intolerance of those with broader interests, and an inability to handle situations which require more social skills than technical skills. We lost much of the Silicon valley Linux users Group when some of these characters rose to the top. The types with more adrenaline and ego pushed out those with more linguistic talents and broader interests in life. I was pushed! By some of the very people whom I had helped. I found the same in some of the rocket groups that I ran across. I wanted to join, was willing to contribute not inconsiderable software skills; but was rebuffed in a series of "disconnects" where some statement or question about other research I've read about caused people to just stop, not know what to say, and move away. No explanation! (I might add I was heavily into NAR small rocketry in the past, sold product to NASA, was inside the original space station simulator at and shuttle simulators at NASA's invitation in Houston. I had also stunned some of the members at a computer club by correctly identifying not just some hardware one person had set on the table, but the plausible fuels to be used with that hardware as well.) I never claimed nor acted as an expert, just an interested person willing to contribute to the very area they said they needed people in. > 3.) It would appear that the Right seems to be > interested more in either getting the rocketeers to > join an armed service, or get them to work cheap for a > company. Not what I would call convivial. Mind you, > the far left seems to be bent on outright outlawry of > large scale model rockets. Yes. The left relies on laws to think for you. The right relies on common sense. Neither alone are enough! I think part of the fear comes as a reaction to the militia groups which have caused some considerable distress in other areas. If such groups were properly handled by liason specialists, they could be a considerable asset to America in the event of major conflict or invasion. But most people seem bent on an us vs them approach, manufacturing an outside threat if one is not there, so as to strengthen their control of the group. This is more noted in cult-like groups. Or rather, the groups become cults as certain people gain power. As I had mentioned, the "Advanced Bonwits Cult Danger Evaluation Frame" http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html , though more oriented toward pagan cults is applicable to any group ranging from fans, clubs, businesses, to religions. If people were more aware of this rating scale, I believe that many of the Silicon Valley Internet buisnesses would not have marched out on such absurdly thin ice as they did. It is quite possible the dot-com bust might have been substantially avoided. (Though it did have multiple causes, one being too many companies going public in too short a period of time.) -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 22:21:18 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Feb 22 23:21:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050223062119.37891.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> Aaron, 1.) While a LARP by definition is a simulation, I need to run those experiments in real time in order to collect the raw data. 2.) my apologies, I should have stated : orgies in the public areas 3.) successfully meeting new people, making sure they are disease free, and then carrying an orgy (1 man/1+ woman ratio) would indeed be a success! also, It would obviate almost half of my notes. therefore, do this thing if you can 4.) heavy political issues include those that can start fights in at least 50% of the fannish population...like the Israeli wall, the "war on terror," bush's new economy budget, etc. Bob --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > Behalf Of Robert > > Juliano > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:30 AM > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > rememeber, experimentation involves small changes > in graduated steps. > > > > As to promoting the experiments as a hack... > > basically, the whole thing *is* a hack. > > > > As a LARP? I hadn't really given the idea anythought until you had mentioned it. I like the concept, but Idon't have any mental threads with which to travel. > > > Any sociological simulation is LARPable. > > > > As to overly sensitive: > > *bringing real weaponry to a con without serious > > advance written authorization. I have considered > > bringing a working laser in rifle form (150 1 watt > > LED's and a good lasing crystal, big deal) to the > 2006 > > worldcon in LA. I'm already in contact with the > ATF on > > this issue. > > *actual orgies at the convention. > > In a hotel room, or right there on the mezzanine? > > And of what orientation(s)? Generally, men are more > easily recruited, after > all. Indeed, some might hail the persuasion of > desirable women, experimental > success in and of itself! > > > > *bringing up heavy political issues without > advance > > planning. > > > Spontaneity in politics? Heavens! > > > > Bob > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > Well, Rob, your experiments are by far more > modest > > > than mine. Not that > > > you've actually answered my questions. > > And you still haven't. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > Juliano > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:01 AM > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > 1.) I intend to set up experiments regarding: > > > > 1a.) use of language > > > > 1b.) mating and dating > > > > 1c.) implied force versus actual force > > > > > > > > 2.) I want to set up situations wherein two or > > > more > > > > people say the EXACT same things to certain > target > > > > members of fandom > > > > 2a.) I want an "unpopular" person to make a > > > simple, > > > > neutral based request > > > > 2b.) I want a "very popular" person to make a > > > wildly > > > > inappropriate request. > > > > 2c.) I will then tabulate the responses. > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: > > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > > Juliano > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:35 PM > > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a > > > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, I am interested. > > > > > > > > > > What might actually be considered to > sensitive > > > for > > > > > simply posting to the > > > > > list? Please advise criterion and guide > lines. > > > > > > > > > > >I am also interested in setting > > > > > > up some social experiments at different > > > > > conventions. > > > > > > > > > > Can we promote as hack or LARP? > > > > > > > > > > > One set is to have someone be willing to > cause > > > a > > > > > > ruckus (a replicable ruckus, mind you) at > > > > > different > > > > > > conventions. Then we record the actions of > the > > > > > > convention. > > > > > > > > > > > It might also rather depend in weather the > > > people > > > > > involved are popular or > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > > > > Juliano > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:56 > PM > > > > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping > a > > > > > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose, if I were pressed, I might > use > > > > > > > something on > > > > > > > > the order of the jobs classification > chart > > > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > TSR game "top secret" (it's a starting > > > > > paradigm, > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I don't have that handy. > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ From agassi at erols.com Wed Feb 23 01:55:03 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Tue Feb 22 23:56:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: <20050223062119.37891.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:21 AM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > >  > > > Aaron, > > 1.) While a LARP by definition is a simulation, I need > to run those experiments in real time in order to > collect the raw data. > > 2.) my apologies, I should have stated : orgies in the > public areas > > 3.) successfully meeting new people, making sure they > are disease free, and then carrying an orgy (1 man/1+ > woman ratio) would indeed be a success! also, It would > obviate almost half of my notes. therefore, do this > thing if you can > Not likely! > 4.) heavy political issues include those that can > start fights in at least 50% of the fannish > population...like the Israeli wall, the "war on > terror," bush's new economy budget, etc. > Worse if it involves a boycott in the dealers' room! > Bob Wait! You still haven't answered all my questions... > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > Behalf Of Robert > > > Juliano > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:30 AM > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > rememeber, experimentation involves small changes > > in graduated steps. > > > > > > As to promoting the experiments as a hack... > > > basically, the whole thing *is* a hack. > > > > > > As a LARP? I hadn't really given the idea > anythought until you had mentioned it. I like the > concept, but Idon't have any mental threads with which > to travel. > > > > > Any sociological simulation is LARPable. > > > > > > > As to overly sensitive: > > > *bringing real weaponry to a con without serious > > > advance written authorization. I have considered > > > bringing a working laser in rifle form (150 1 watt > > > LED's and a good lasing crystal, big deal) to the > > 2006 > > > worldcon in LA. I'm already in contact with the > > ATF on > > > this issue. > > > *actual orgies at the convention. > > > > In a hotel room, or right there on the mezzanine? > > > > And of what orientation(s)? Generally, men are more > > easily recruited, after > > all. Indeed, some might hail the persuasion of > > desirable women, experimental > > success in and of itself! > > > > > > > *bringing up heavy political issues without > > advance > > > planning. > > > > > Spontaneity in politics? Heavens! > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > Well, Rob, your experiments are by far more > > modest > > > > than mine. Not that > > > > you've actually answered my questions. > > > > And you still haven't. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > Juliano > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:01 AM > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a > > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > 1.) I intend to set up experiments regarding: > > > > > 1a.) use of language > > > > > 1b.) mating and dating > > > > > 1c.) implied force versus actual force > > > > > > > > > > 2.) I want to set up situations wherein two or > > > > more > > > > > people say the EXACT same things to certain > > target > > > > > members of fandom > > > > > 2a.) I want an "unpopular" person to make a > > > > simple, > > > > > neutral based request > > > > > 2b.) I want a "very popular" person to make a > > > > wildly > > > > > inappropriate request. > > > > > 2c.) I will then tabulate the responses. > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > > > Juliano > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:35 PM > > > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a > > > > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, I am interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > What might actually be considered to > > sensitive > > > > for > > > > > > simply posting to the > > > > > > list? Please advise criterion and guide > > lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am also interested in setting > > > > > > > up some social experiments at different > > > > > > conventions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we promote as hack or LARP? > > > > > > > > > > > > > One set is to have someone be willing to > > cause > > > > a > > > > > > > ruckus (a replicable ruckus, mind you) at > > > > > > different > > > > > > > conventions. Then we record the actions of > > the > > > > > > > convention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It might also rather depend in weather the > > > > people > > > > > > involved are popular or > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Robert > > > > > > > > > Juliano > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:56 > > PM > > > > > > > > > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping > > a > > > > > > bit... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose, if I were pressed, I might > > use > > > > > > > > something on > > > > > > > > > the order of the jobs classification > > chart > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > TSR game "top secret" (it's a starting > > > > > > paradigm, > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > least.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I don't have that handy. > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === From agassi at erols.com Wed Feb 23 12:49:14 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Wed Feb 23 10:49:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] POInt of order: The importance of posting conventions Message-ID: http://FoolQuest.com/fooltrek_faq/fooltrek_faq_II_moderation.htm#post From angelbeast at mad.scientist.com Wed Feb 23 18:50:08 2005 From: angelbeast at mad.scientist.com (Angel Dzekov) Date: Wed Feb 23 10:50:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... Message-ID: <20050223175013.A11E7101D0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050223/21284b97/attachment.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 10:14:55 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Wed Feb 23 11:15:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: <20050223175013.A11E7101D0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20050223181455.84168.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> Angel, Either you are trolling, or you have forgotten how to unsubscribe. group: part 1 of the project list is as follows... 1.) the business cards 2.) the web page 3.) mini shop 4.) inventor’s get together (inventor’s niche) 5.) shop lights 6.)shop amenities next post will list part 2 Bob --- Angel Dzekov wrote: --------------------------------- stop writing me you fucking idiot! dont you have anything better to do with your pathetic life !!! -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Feb 24 00:21:51 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Feb 23 17:21:54 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] POInt of order: The importance of posting In-Reply-To: from "Aaron Agassi" at Feb 23, 2005 12:49:14 PM Message-ID: <20050224002151.62071.qmail@mall-net.com> What I have found, is that when someone says "F*** it", he or she invariably applies it to the nearest object. And by definition, they are themselves the nearest object. Thus one might wish to quote part of what one wishes to apply that to. And to tone it down a little. I mean, we are supposed to be Mad scientists, not Angry scientists. There's a huge difference! > http://FoolQuest.com/fooltrek_faq/fooltrek_faq_II_moderation.htm#post You might ease up on the background to make it easier to read; put the entries in a table to limit them to some 500 pixels in with as per Web Style Guide, http://www.info.med.yale.edu/caim/manual/ On first look, the site seems tilted a little over on the style and short on the contents. I know that's not true in the inner areas; but it sure gives that impression at the start. (Looks one heck of a lot better than mine! Mine's high style for 1995; not today! I keep plotting to bulldoze it and rebuild, just never get around to it.) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From agassi at erols.com Wed Feb 23 23:43:44 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Wed Feb 23 21:44:45 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] POInt of order: The importance of posting In-Reply-To: <20050224002151.62071.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of > javilk@mall-net.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:22 PM > To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] POInt of order: The importance of posting > > > > What I have found, is that when someone says "F*** it", he or she > invariably applies it to the nearest object. And by definition, they are > themselves the nearest object. > The fucking point is, that with the fucking comment interjected right after the fucking passage to which it fucking responds, fucking context is preserved. > Thus one might wish to quote part of what one wishes to apply that > to. And to tone it down a little. I mean, we are supposed to be Mad > scientists, not Angry scientists. There's a huge difference! > > > http://FoolQuest.com/fooltrek_faq/fooltrek_faq_II_moderation.htm#post > > You might ease up on the background to make it easier to read; put > the entries in a table to limit them to some 500 pixels in with as per > Web Style Guide, http://www.info.med.yale.edu/caim/manual/ > > On first look, the site seems tilted a little over on the style and > short on the contents. I know that's not true in the inner areas; but > it sure gives that impression at the start. (Looks one heck of a lot > better than mine! Mine's high style for 1995; not today! I keep > plotting to bulldoze it and rebuild, just never get around to it.) > > > -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) > CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. > Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. > My opinions are subject to the availability of information. > I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. > > For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices > orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. > Today's Art Photo > Chem / Fungus allergies > Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. > Arthritis > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 21:53:01 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Wed Feb 23 22:53:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050223061411.27838.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050224055302.7138.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> hmm, I'd have to say they seem to be a bit like a franchised cult. on an interesting side note, I know of no buddhists in fandom. zillions of pagans, some christians, a few muslims, and not one buddhist that I know of. I'' use the ABCDEF and see what I come up with. I think that the rocketry people I've run into are more worried about safety, as opposed to lifestyle. the rocketeers that I've dealt with are willing to talk about anything, after the rocketry tasks at hand are finished. As to the left and the right needing liasons, I agree. Maybe I wouldn't then keep running into cute pagan females that deeply believe that I am somehow working with dark forces to destroy the earth. (of course, it doesn't help matters, when said pagan is showing enough cleavage to hide a F engine 6 pack!) Bob --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > Cult like??? > Oh, yea, any self selected group of fruitcakes. > (Hmmm... are we fruitcakes of a different color? To some people, > yes.) > > I might recommend you check the "Advanced > Bonwits Cult Danger > Evaluation Frame" > http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html > > Based on that, do they seem cult-like? > One thing I've encountered in some of these > nerdy-tech groups, is a > broad scale brittleness of character, general > intolerance of those with > broader interests, and an inability to handle > situations which require > more social skills than technical skills. > > We lost much of the Silicon valley Linux users > Group when some of > these characters rose to the top. The types with > more adrenaline and ego > pushed out those with more linguistic talents and > broader interests in > life. I was pushed! By some of the very people whom > I had helped. > > I found the same in some of the rocket groups > that I ran across. > I wanted to join, was willing to contribute not > inconsiderable software > skills; but was rebuffed in a series of > "disconnects" where some > statement or question about other research I've read > about caused people > to just stop, not know what to say, and move away. > No explanation! (I > might add I was heavily into NAR small rocketry in > the past, sold > product to NASA, was inside the original space > station simulator at and > shuttle simulators at NASA's invitation in Houston. > I had also stunned > some of the members at a computer club by correctly > identifying not just > some hardware one person had set on the table, but > the plausible fuels > to be used with that hardware as well.) I never > claimed nor acted as an > expert, just an interested person willing to > contribute to the very area > they said they needed people in. > > > 3.) It would appear that the Right seems to be > > interested more in either getting the rocketeers > to > > join an armed service, or get them to work cheap > for a > > company. Not what I would call convivial. Mind > you, > > the far left seems to be bent on outright outlawry > of > > large scale model rockets. > > Yes. The left relies on laws to think for you. > The right relies > on common sense. Neither alone are enough! > > I think part of the fear comes as a reaction to > the militia groups > which have caused some considerable distress in > other areas. > > If such groups were properly handled by liason > specialists, they > could be a considerable asset to America in the > event of major conflict > or invasion. But most people seem bent on an us vs > them approach, > manufacturing an outside threat if one is not there, > so as to strengthen > their control of the group. This is more noted in > cult-like groups. Or > rather, the groups become cults as certain people > gain power. > > As I had mentioned, the "Advanced Bonwits Cult > Danger Evaluation > Frame" http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html , though > more oriented toward > pagan cults is applicable to any group ranging from > fans, clubs, > businesses, to religions. If people were more aware > of this rating > scale, I believe that many of the Silicon Valley > Internet buisnesses > would not have marched out on such absurdly thin ice > as they did. It is > quite possible the dot-com bust might have been > substantially avoided. > (Though it did have multiple causes, one being too > many companies going > public in too short a period of time.) > > > -javilk- mall-net.com > ------------------- IMAGINEERING > -------------------- > --------------- Every click, a vote. > ---------------- > ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? > ---- > -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development > ----- > Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 > ----------------------------------------------------- > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, > Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Feb 24 07:17:25 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Feb 24 00:17:29 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Confirmation. In-Reply-To: <20050224055302.7138.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Feb 23, 2005 09:53:01 PM Message-ID: <20050224071725.67602.qmail@mall-net.com> > I'd have to say they seem to be a bit like a > franchised cult. on an interesting side note, I know > of no buddhists in fandom. zillions of pagans, some > christians, a few muslims, and not one buddhist that I > know of. I'' use the ABCDEF and see what I come up > with. Interesting on Buddhists. My guess is they are not supposed to, or can not "let go". I am that way myself, not taking things to excess. > I think that the rocketry people I've run into are > more worried about safety, as opposed to lifestyle. > the rocketeers that I've dealt with are willing to > talk about anything, after the rocketry tasks at hand > are finished. NAR was big on safety. I was range safety officer at our launches. But those were little rockets. I imagine if one started small, one got good habits; we just never had the space for anything beyond an F. Even the E and F engine rockets had to wait for frozen lakes in New England. > As to the left and the right needing liasons, I agree. > Maybe I wouldn't then keep running into cute pagan > females that deeply believe that I am somehow working > with dark forces to destroy the earth. (of course, it > doesn't help matters, when said pagan is showing > enough cleavage to hide a F engine 6 pack!) Well, you are working with sulpher! Even some of the christian funnymentalists would say that! -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 10:22:51 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Feb 24 11:23:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Science is materialistic, and science experiment projects, require limitless amounts of time, money, and space. Message-ID: <20050224182252.64151.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, Science is so materialistic, and science experiment projects, require limitless amounts of time, money, and space; space, being the necessary room to expand, and to grow continuously. I guess that I am maybe a hopeless amateur mad, or angry scientist, because I just don't know how to manage money, and I am afraid that I will never be able to manage my money, because I just do not have the patience to fool with the endelss nonsense of money matters. Regarding financial success; Maybe it is financial success, that follows any significant progress in a scientific discovery, from a duplicatable experiment, and a duplicatable technology. But you mentioned that you believe that if cheaper forms of not so conventional forms of alternative, high efficiency energy technologies for the little man, exist, then the gargantuan corporations would jump at the mass development, as well as the mass marketing of those energy technologies. What makes you think that the powers that be, in the energy infrastructure(s), are not wanting change, simply because it would be detrimental to the status quo of the convention economy, yet on the other hand, it would be greatly beneficial, to the national, the worldwide ecology, and the national security too, increasing the quality of health for the entire global planetary ecology? I considered myself to be an environmentalist until I came to a realization that it is actually the environment is the problem. The environment is the problem for all of us. Environment ='s the same as imprisonment. Environmentalism ='s the same as imprisonmentalism. Environmentism ='s the same as imprisonmentism. I hope that you will respond. Thank sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050224/96e7cb6d/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Feb 25 17:45:46 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Feb 25 10:45:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Science is materialistic, In-Reply-To: <20050224182252.64151.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 24, 2005 10:22:51 AM Message-ID: <20050225174546.78144.qmail@mall-net.com> > Science is so materialistic, and science experiment > projects, require limitless amounts of time, money, > and space; space, being the necessary room to > expand, and to grow continuously. Science generally is materialistic in that it deals with matter and the energy that affects it. The equipment to detect the energies is often very sensitive, so that too can be expensive. > I guess that I am maybe a hopeless amateur mad, > or angry scientist, because I just don't know how to > manage money, and I am afraid that I will never be > able to manage my money, because I just do not > have the patience to fool with the endelss nonsense > of money matters. Yes, money is quite useful. One has to prioritize the use of it so that one gets the most utility. Making lists of things and how they function as groups is one of the better approaches. Much can be bought surplus. However, food must come first. Then mortgage payments on the house, and various taxes and insurance payments. > Regarding financial success; > Maybe it is financial success, that follows any > significant progress in a scientific discovery, from > a duplicatable experiment, and a duplicatable > technology. If one knows how to persuade others to your your technology instead of someone else's. That's called marketing. It is often more expensive than making the things being marketed, because people are dense, hidebound in their habits, and generally unwilling to part with their money. Most inventors fail because they don't market their inventions very well. I am no exception; I've watched several of my inventions reap billions for others when they managed to avoid my patents. But the satisfaction of knowing _I_ invented these things is great. > But you mentioned that you believe that if cheaper > forms of not so conventional forms of alternative, > high efficiency energy technologies for the little > man, exist, then the gargantuan corporations > would jump at the mass development, as well as > the mass marketing of those energy technologies. Oh yes! We've seen many things in this area marketed, from the new fluorescent screw-in bulbs to thick Styrofoam insulation. These have made dramatic changes in energy utilization, both at home and in industry. > What makes you think that the powers that be, > in the energy infrastructure(s), are not wanting > change, simply because it would be detrimental > to the status quo of the convention economy, The energy infrastructure can not do an end-run around the consumer. As we see with the small screw-in replacements for incandescent bulbs. In addition, because of the regulatory overload for pollutants and many other things, much of the energy infrastructure would like to limit the need to invest in more generating plants. buying new capacity requires tons of paper work, marketing debt instruments (stocks, bonds) to and through the financial industry, etc. > yet on the other hand, it would be greatly > beneficial, to the national, the worldwide ecology, > and the national security too, increasing the > quality of health for the entire global planetary > ecology? In general the energy infrastructure could care less about the ecology, except were regulated by law. > I considered myself to be an environmentalist > until I came to a realization that it is actually > the environment is the problem. We use technology to overcome this problem. heating, cooling, lighting, dams, insecticides, etc. are all used to overcome the environment. (Particularly on Alameda De Las Pulgas in California. Several early visitors died from blood loss due to the extreme number of flea bites. And some have died in Florida from extreme numbers of mosquito bites.) > The environment is the problem for all of us. > Environment ='s the same as imprisonment. > Environmentalism ='s the same as > imprisonmentalism. Not really. We can and do overcome much of this with our inventiveness. That's part of the challenge of life! Live wouldn't seem worth it if it was too easy. And you wouldn't learn who you were, what you were capable of if it was all easy. 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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Feb 25 17:25:24 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Feb 25 18:25:32 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Fwd: Dept of Perfection Message-ID: <20050226012524.29354.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: clyde lofton Subject: Fwd: Dept of Perfection Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:10:44 -0800 (PST) Size: 10131 Url: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050225/08f3174a/attachment.eml From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Feb 26 01:30:45 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Feb 25 18:30:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Fwd: Dept of Perfection In-Reply-To: <20050226012524.29354.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 25, 2005 05:25:24 PM Message-ID: <20050226013045.17944.qmail@mall-net.com> Pseudoscientific gobeldygook. > > Mr. Lofton: > > Hermes Trismagistus had seven axioms. (Such as Nature Abhors a Vacuum). The most important one is inscribed on a tablet the sarcophogus is holding. That which is above reflects that which resonates below. Any place south of the equator, basically, is on the side of the planet which faces away from the (effective) center of the universe. There is a lumenance which radiates from the center and forms a capacitance on the far side of all particles. What Jesus taught was a telepathic image projection he referred to as the transfiguration. This relocates a sufficient amount of the capacitive radiance through the fourth dimension, from his source to the projected image. Your awareness can resonate with this external ghost energy, and then you become the dopple ganger. But Spirit wells up within and is the essence of Life. > > Life is eternal, since each moment is complete unto itself (each with their own built-in memories). Each moment continues to exist after the time focus has swept through and past it. Eternity transcends time. It's said that every life contains points where a door opens to the future. (Time loop. To accept this, start saying "O-TA"). When life and/or life sequentiallity is transcended, all experiences become eternal and can be relived at will. (Will is a true power and should not be confused with skill or desire. Skill is developed through repitition of will power control). Any perfection awareness experienced in life thereby becomes eternal, with transcendence. So the goal is to continue gaining repetition of these awareness experience moments during your physical lifetime, which is part of eternity as you journey through it. > > The only absolute perfection is the journey itself, such as the refining of character. Each moment this refining is realized adds depth to the transcendental perfection. > > Physicality constitutes relative absolute perfection, when combined with an individual Monad's existance on all levels and on all planes, compared with the non complete. So the physical body is required for the time that you have this relative absolute perfection experience. Each Monad has one human soul as the self apex, that which does the experiencing. Two Monads can intersect towards transcendence. Holy Matrimony should actually be an alchemical ritual. The human brain, with its unlimited number of visual holographic synapse patterns and cortical visual receptors, is the pinnacle of creation as we evolve towards biological perfection. The journey itself is the absolute prefection. Each step along this evolutionary journey adds depth to the transcendental. I expect to see telomerase production at the cellular level. Or a solvation that transcends the cellular barier. > > The God is external. Grace exists between it and yourself. Man is higher than the mean proportionate between the God and the Satan, since there is no grace with that. Still, that force is above Man, since it fell to a higher altitude from the center. Man fell ONLY from the bliss of ignorance into the light of knowlege, as we were created seperate from the God. With the grace of free will to make the fall or not. Inteligence is a God given talent. > > He who knows the Law of Vibration knows All. > > First there was one, then there was two, and two became three. (Sounds Machiavellian). > > maybes: > > When something changes direction its previous motion disappears. > > A door opens both ways. (And closes both ways). > He's obviously not tried entering most post offices. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Feb 25 17:40:14 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Feb 25 18:40:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Yeah, the majority of that e-mail, is horseshit to me, too, although some of it it helpful. Message-ID: <20050226014014.75312.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, The majority of that e-mail response that I posted, is horse manure to me too, but a small amount of it is is benificial to me. Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: "R Pesha" Subject: The only truth is found in Nature Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:09:54 -0500 Size: 2998 Url: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050225/7a418230/attachment-0001.eml From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Feb 26 04:01:44 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Feb 25 21:01:46 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Fwd: The only truth is found in Nature In-Reply-To: <20050226024741.39055.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 25, 2005 06:47:40 PM Message-ID: <20050226040144.18369.qmail@mall-net.com> > The second biggest problem in society, Clyde, is the leaders. The = > biggest problem is the fact that people are readily won over to support = > the leaders. It differs little whether the leaders is George Washington = > or George Bush, Hitler, Napolean, Genghis Khan. Au Contrare. Our leaders support the people one heck of a lot more than, Hitler, Napoleon, Genghis Khan, or Saddam! Those were brutal dictators! > Virtually all wars are fought at the instigation of the powerful ruling = > classes for their benefit. Well, you can't well fight a war for long without the support of those people. Not in a democracy. Vietnam proved that well enough. > War will continue until we preach this in our pulpits. Teach what? > War will continue until we teach this in our history books and classes.=20 Teach what??? War will continue. Period! Government against Government, Religion against Religion, Tribe against Tribe, Gang against Gang, strong individuals against each other. Always was, always will be AS LONG AS PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE STAKE IN PEACE! What gives a person a stake in peace? PROPERTY! POSSESSIONS! FAMILY! And in that order. Democracies let people own property and so develop a stake and an interest in peace. But when that property is threatened, Democracies will wage far stronger wars than strong-arm governments because it is The Will of The property owning People and their friends and relatives! These A-H's we are up against have NOTHING TO LOSE! That is why they fight, and why they fight the way they do. If they had good lives, do you think they would blow themselves up??? Property is THE NUMBER ONE stabilizer of the world! > War will continue until we recognize that "patriotism" means defense of = > people, not leaders. We already recognize that! This war WAS in defense of the people! OUR people! What do you expect after 9/11??? Who started these wars??? We didn't! Saddam invaded Kuwait. Osama organized the destruction of our buildings. They acted first! Then DID NOT comply with sanctions against them. Saddam bluffed. He was an IDIOT to try to bluff the USA that he had weapons and was going to use them! Uranium, biological weapons, chemical weapons... the evidence was clear that he had NO INTENTION of completely disarming. What the heck were we to assume? Let him go another five or ten years till he launches an attack that turns the middle east into a blazing inferno? I am surprised we didn't get him earlier! Blame it on the idiocity of the first Bush. He didn't finish the job! (But I think GW-I was about something else, a gentlemen's proxy war between the Ideas of the USSR and the Ideas of the USA. It was a sucker punch with Saddam thinking he was the one administering it, not as the willing sucker he was. The USSR wanted that war Really, Really badly to unify their colonies. They sent their advisors in. And we just smiled, knowing how this would play out. In the end it was was in substantial part why the Yazoff & Co. Coup failed. That may actually be why Bush didn't mop it up the way he should have.) Plus, Saddam was paying off families of people who did damage to other countries like Israel, Spain, etc. And there was evidence that his gang and the other gang had some ties. Maybe they didn't plot together, but they had ties. What no one is talking about, were some of the interesting patterns of illness and injury among the troops. Certain groups which raided certain locations "having no weapons of mass destruction" became very ill with some dying. I think we found some of those weapons. I think Bush is willing to take the bullet not making them public, because it would give other terrorists too many ideas about how to make cheap weapons! Plus there were a number of convoys which ran the boarder into Syria. We don't know what was in them. I'm just glad that most terrorists can't tell their A.H. from their mouths! Civilization runs on certain key comodities. It does not take much to turn many of them into weapons. But those who do not live in civilization do not recognize this fact. Fortunately! I could go on and on about this with newspaper examples from other wars and other sources; but like Bush-II, I don't think it is appropriate to give people ideas in this arena. Those ideas can be used to harm you and me! I want to live, and I want all my friends and relatives to live safe, comfortable lives. I don't want to give any G.D. A.H.'s any ideas how to destroy our lives. So let's just drop this. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- Serving the World for three generations, since 1933 ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Feb 25 21:01:56 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Feb 25 22:02:05 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Fwd: Dept of Perfection In-Reply-To: <20050226013045.17944.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050226050156.75112.qmail@web50209.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, What did you mean, at the end of this, when you typed: He's obviously not tried entering most post offices? javilk@mall-net.com wrote: Pseudoscientific gobeldygook. > > Mr. Lofton: > > Hermes Trismagistus had seven axioms. (Such as Nature Abhors a Vacuum). The most important one is inscribed on a tablet the sarcophogus is holding. That which is above reflects that which resonates below. Any place south of the equator, basically, is on the side of the planet which faces away from the (effective) center of the universe. There is a lumenance which radiates from the center and forms a capacitance on the far side of all particles. What Jesus taught was a telepathic image projection he referred to as the transfiguration. This relocates a sufficient amount of the capacitive radiance through the fourth dimension, from his source to the projected image. Your awareness can resonate with this external ghost energy, and then you become the dopple ganger. But Spirit wells up within and is the essence of Life. > > Life is eternal, since each moment is complete unto itself (each with their own built-in memories). Each moment continues to exist after the time focus has swept through and past it. Eternity transcends time. It's said that every life contains points where a door opens to the future. (Time loop. To accept this, start saying "O-TA"). When life and/or life sequentiallity is transcended, all experiences become eternal and can be relived at will. (Will is a true power and should not be confused with skill or desire. Skill is developed through repitition of will power control). Any perfection awareness experienced in life thereby becomes eternal, with transcendence. So the goal is to continue gaining repetition of these awareness experience moments during your physical lifetime, which is part of eternity as you journey through it. > > The only absolute perfection is the journey itself, such as the refining of character. Each moment this refining is realized adds depth to the transcendental perfection. > > Physicality constitutes relative absolute perfection, when combined with an individual Monad's existance on all levels and on all planes, compared with the non complete. So the physical body is required for the time that you have this relative absolute perfection experience. Each Monad has one human soul as the self apex, that which does the experiencing. Two Monads can intersect towards transcendence. Holy Matrimony should actually be an alchemical ritual. The human brain, with its unlimited number of visual holographic synapse patterns and cortical visual receptors, is the pinnacle of creation as we evolve towards biological perfection. The journey itself is the absolute prefection. Each step along this evolutionary journey adds depth to the transcendental. I expect to see telomerase production at the cellular level. Or a solvation that transcends the cellular barier. > > The God is external. Grace exists between it and yourself. Man is higher than the mean proportionate between the God and the Satan, since there is no grace with that. Still, that force is above Man, since it fell to a higher altitude from the center. Man fell ONLY from the bliss of ignorance into the light of knowlege, as we were created seperate from the God. With the grace of free will to make the fall or not. Inteligence is a God given talent. > > He who knows the Law of Vibration knows All. > > First there was one, then there was two, and two became three. (Sounds Machiavellian). > > maybes: > > When something changes direction its previous motion disappears. > > A door opens both ways. (And closes both ways). > He's obviously not tried entering most post offices. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050225/99d50c51/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Feb 26 06:08:29 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Feb 25 23:08:32 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Fwd: Dept of Perfection In-Reply-To: <20050226050156.75112.qmail@web50209.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 25, 2005 09:01:56 PM Message-ID: <20050226060829.62974.qmail@mall-net.com> What did you mean, at the end of this, when you > typed: He's obviously not tried entering most post > offices? > > A door opens both ways. (And closes both ways). > > > > He's obviously not tried entering most post offices. It is clear that the person making the above comment either does not have a good grasp of the English language, or is not paying much attention to the real world he purports to describe. The doors in most post offices open one way -- pull out when you are on the outside, or push out when you are in the inside. The invariably swing outward, not inward. Uniform building code, applicable in all the American states, dictates that on public buildings (and probably private ones), doors open outward. This is for evacuation purposes. If many people were to back up at a door, it would be impossible to open the door inward into the crowd to let the crowd out. Some buildings allow doors to swing in both directions, but this is relatively rare because it costs more. Some buildings have revolving doors, but the ALSO have doors beside the revolving doors which swing outward. Many public stores have air doors, a curtain of laminar air flow blowing downward to block the exit of warm air. This is more common over roll-up type doors; but roll-up doors are generally not meant for the general public to operate. If the public is to enter via a roll-up door, there is generally an air door installed above it to reduce heat loss, or some kind of secondary door installed when air temperature is lower or air conditioning used in the summer. Of all the homes I have been in, exterior doors all opened outward with one or two exceptions, where they slid sideways. (I mean aside from sliding glass doors to the back yard.) Think about it, have you ever been in a real home built in the last 50 years where the main outside doors opened inward? (An entry way door, a common add-on in some very cold high snow areas, may open inward so as to avoid having to force it open against the snow; but the main door behind it generally opens outward. Because post offices are generally built by the lowest bidder, I used them as an example. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From agassi at erols.com Sat Feb 26 01:18:26 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Fri Feb 25 23:18:38 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Fwd: Dept of Perfection In-Reply-To: <20050226060829.62974.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: Did The Doors swing both ways? > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of > javilk@mall-net.com > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 1:08 AM > To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Fwd: Dept of Perfection > > > What did you mean, at the end of this, when you > > typed: He's obviously not tried entering most post > > offices? > > > > A door opens both ways. (And closes both ways). > > > > > > > He's obviously not tried entering most post offices. > > It is clear that the person making the above comment either does > not have a good grasp of the English language, or is not paying much > attention to the real world he purports to describe. > > The doors in most post offices open one way -- pull out when you > are on the outside, or push out when you are in the inside. The > invariably swing outward, not inward. > > Uniform building code, applicable in all the American states, > dictates that on public buildings (and probably private ones), doors > open outward. This is for evacuation purposes. If many people were to > back up at a door, it would be impossible to open the door inward into > the crowd to let the crowd out. > > Some buildings allow doors to swing in both directions, but this is > relatively rare because it costs more. Some buildings have revolving > doors, but the ALSO have doors beside the revolving doors which swing > outward. Many public stores have air doors, a curtain of laminar air > flow blowing downward to block the exit of warm air. This is more > common over roll-up type doors; but roll-up doors are generally not > meant for the general public to operate. If the public is to enter via > a roll-up door, there is generally an air door installed above it to > reduce heat loss, or some kind of secondary door installed when air > temperature is lower or air conditioning used in the summer. > > Of all the homes I have been in, exterior doors all opened outward > with one or two exceptions, where they slid sideways. (I mean aside from > sliding glass doors to the back yard.) Think about it, have you ever > been in a real home built in the last 50 years where the main outside > doors opened inward? (An entry way door, a common add-on in some very > cold high snow areas, may open inward so as to avoid having to force it > open against the snow; but the main door behind it generally opens > outward. > > Because post offices are generally built by the lowest bidder, I > used them as an example. > > -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) > CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. > Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. > My opinions are subject to the availability of information. > I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. > > For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices > orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. > Today's Art Photo > Chem / Fungus allergies > Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. > Arthritis > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Feb 26 06:44:52 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Feb 25 23:44:54 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Fwd: Dept of Perfection In-Reply-To: from "Aaron Agassi" at Feb 26, 2005 01:18:26 AM Message-ID: <20050226064453.4315.qmail@mall-net.com> > Did The Doors swing both ways? > > > > > > A door opens both ways. (And closes both ways). In this context by using "a", it seems clear he means any door. As per building code, almost all doors swing only in one direction -- OUT. The rest of the statements are just a mishmash of words used without clear meaning or with meaning other than reasonable. Jesus? Telepathy? What??? This is, after all, Mad Scientists, not Mad Monks or Alt.Pagan, where I use to hang out many years ago. One can argue almost anything in religion without ever knowing whether it is true. In science, even mad science, we expect to be able to refer to common experience or design experiments to discern what is true. Then we may argue about the experiment, the interpretation, or the applicability to the real world. As to the perfection of the mind, some iconological thematic space of such, that is philosophy. Again, this is Mad Science, not mad philosophers. And even in that course, I used some of the principles and assumptions of science to get an A, much to the amazement of the instructor who had made it Perfectly Clear to me on day one that this course was for upper class college students, not some mere high school almost-grad such as myself who chanced to wander in out of plain curiosity! I was much under-impressed by the subject and especially disappointed in the coverage of Formal Logic, which was blatantly obvious to me as I had done much with electrical switches and relays as a pre-teen. I got an easy A+ on the final. The stuff was just obvious. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----- Advice, Analysis, Strategies, Development ----- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 14:14:00 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Feb 26 15:14:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Another weblink. Message-ID: <20050226221400.81906.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> To those concerned, Weblink: http://www.lucistrust.org As I have learned, the Lucis Trust, formerly known as; Lucifer's Trust, is part of the secret society/ occult shadow government operations, behind the so-called New World Order, and the United Nations. The Lucis Trust is also a private corporation, like the occult secret society based at Yale University, called; The Skull And Bones Society, also known as; The Order Of Death. I hope this information isn't too disturbing, but I honestly feel that it is information that needs to be passed on, to certain others. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050226/239c191f/attachment.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 14:52:53 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Sat Feb 26 15:53:05 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Another weblink. In-Reply-To: <20050226221400.81906.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050226225253.12902.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, I was hoping we could keep things limited to mad science here, not branch out into the tin hat zone... skull and bones is just a bunch of really greedy, really rich guys trying to make a buck, and screw other folks, as they get their jollies. talking about "the evil shadow empire" is WOMBAT, waste of money, brains and time. Bob, who really hates when the paranoids come out of the woodwork --- clyde lofton wrote: > > To those concerned, > > Weblink: > http://www.lucistrust.org > > As I have learned, the Lucis Trust, > formerly known as; Lucifer's Trust, > is part of the secret society/ > occult shadow government > operations, behind the so-called > New World Order, and the United > Nations. > The Lucis Trust is also a private > corporation, like the occult secret > society based at Yale University, > called; The Skull And Bones > Society, also known as; The > Order Of Death. > I hope this information isn't too > disturbing, but I honestly feel > that it is information that needs > to be passed on, to certain > others. > > Sincerely, Clyde Lofton > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 21:17:35 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Feb 26 22:17:53 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Has anyone out there, ever experimented with a hexahedral antenna??? Message-ID: <20050227051735.76018.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> To whomever concerned, Has anyone out there, ever experimented with a hexahedral antenna before; (two tetrahedrons sharing the same base)? Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050226/dbb406e1/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 21:17:56 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Feb 26 22:18:08 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] To duplicate Javilk's electomagnetic field generator science project, at 7.3 cycles (Hz.). Message-ID: <20050227051756.53836.qmail@web50209.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, I would like to replicate, (or duplicate,) your science project that you mentioned in a past e-mail response, last week. I own an audio generator, a function generator, and a professional (QSC) audio amplifier, as well as several buckets of mostly unused magnet wire. Did you use a resistor, or resistors, in series with your coil(s)? What type of magnet wire did you use? And what was the former that you wound the coil(s), on; what did the coil former look like? How exactly did you wind the coil(s) on the former? Can you explain? Sincerely, Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050226/eb9c6b06/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 21:21:06 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Feb 26 22:21:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A cool website that I just found today, to share. Message-ID: <20050227052106.54560.qmail@web50209.mail.yahoo.com> To all, Here is a cool website that I just found, today: http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050226/11d1a557/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Feb 27 05:35:29 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Feb 26 22:35:32 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Another weblink. In-Reply-To: <20050226221400.81906.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 26, 2005 02:14:00 PM Message-ID: <20050227053529.53141.qmail@mall-net.com> > Weblink: > http://www.lucistrust.org > > As I have learned, the Lucis Trust, > formerly known as; Lucifer's Trust, > is part of the secret society/ > occult shadow government > operations, behind the so-called > New World Order, and the United > Nations. A real secret society wouldn't have an open corporation type trust. It would probably have a vault or a series of vaults somewhere on several members premises, etc. etc. so no one would ever know. I mean, that's how the Mafia and Cosa Nostra have been doing it, and they aren't half as bright as Yale grads. > The Lucis Trust is also a private > corporation, like the occult secret > society based at Yale University, > called; The Skull And Bones > Society, also known as; The > Order Of Death. Skull and Bones is a fraternity at Yale. Bush belongs to it, as do a fair number of the better families who have sent boys to Yale. The chief deal is a series of picnics members attend most of their lives. It is a tremendous opportunity for networking among the rich and famous. To get in, you need to be at Yale, have good grades, do well in public speaking and some such things, though some techies are being admitted these days. Then they have to ask you in. Once very exclusive and highly regarded, now they find that some of their invitees are refusing. Some blacks have been admitted. I hear some women have been invited too as of late. Once really, really secret, a number of current members seem to have spilled the beans to a few reporters. You can't keep anything secret these days... you know how kids are these days. Basic initiation ritual seems to be laying in a coffin and confessing all kinds of intimate details about your sexual encounters, girl friends, etc. I think the theory is that if you can do that, you will bond with the group. There are some other stories about Cochise's skull, and a few other things, but basically, it's just another bunch of adolescent and neo-post-adolescent crap reminiscent of things one reads in Campbell's books about religions and myths and initiation ceremonies done throughout history. The thing about the occult, is that it isn't reliable. Engineering is reliable. Economics is reliable. Politicians are unreliable. Occult groups are by and large stupid because they rely on belief. We had a whole Dot-Com economy that relied on belief; just look what happened to it - the Dot-Com Bust! The more strongly anyone believes in anything, the less likely they are to look at the details enough to make it work. If you want to read up on the occult, a good book to start is "Real Magick" by Bonwits. It relates some about how the occult / pagan religious groups are run. As mentioned earlier, he has a cult awareness quiz that's worth reading. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no occultist, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as occult advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Feb 27 05:53:55 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Feb 26 22:54:00 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] To duplicate Javilk's electomagnetic field In-Reply-To: <20050227051756.53836.qmail@web50209.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 26, 2005 09:17:56 PM Message-ID: <20050227055355.76801.qmail@mall-net.com> > I would like to replicate, (or duplicate,) > your science project that you mentioned > in a past e-mail response, last week. > I own an audio generator, a function > generator, and a professional (QSC) audio > amplifier, as well as several buckets of > mostly unused magnet wire. Great! You have all that is required to re-unify your brain waves. if your brain waves were ever dis-unified... which I am not qualified to diagnose. > Did you use a resistor, or resistors, in > series with your coil(s)? no. Schematic Diagram: ---\/\/\/\/\/-----/\/\/\/\/\/----/\/\/\/\/--- top coil mid coil bottom coil > And what was the former that you wound > the coil(s), on; what did the coil former > look like? > How exactly did you wind the coil(s) on > the former? > Can you explain? Physical diagram 12" diameter ============= 6" gap ============= 6" gap ============= Coils were wound on one foot diameter knitting hoops, available at most crafts stores. Coils were glued to 1/4 inch dowels to keep them separated. the hoops were cheap enough that I bought 7, arranging them as the three verticals, and four around the outside to form a rectangle. We were going to try to do some read-out of magnetic hysteresis decay, but found our equipment was not sensitive enough. Magnetic strength was calculated based on amperage fed through coil. Strength was limited to twice the warble intensity of the geomagnetic field, or about 20% of the earths geomagnetic field. see http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/r/mag.html for calculation details, etc. > What type of magnet wire did you use? Actually, two of the coils are wire-wrap wire, gross overkill; but I didn't know any better. By the time I decided to add the middle coil, a engineering friend explained I could use far cheaper magnet wire. I did not kill me. I do not say it is safe, but figure that if an MRI scan involves thousands of times the intensity of the earth's geomagnetic field, this mere 20% is probably safer. No guarantees, though. Low frequencies will likely put you to sleep, so be careful that you don't fall down and hurt yourself. Higher frequencies have been known to trigger epileptic attacks in those who have epilepsy. I'd rig some sort of timer to shut off the signal generator after some minutes just to be safe. The most useful frequency that I found for my own condition, was 7.83h. Many key brain wave frequencies are multiples of this. It may bring about a meditation-like state. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Feb 27 05:56:54 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Feb 26 22:56:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Has anyone out there, In-Reply-To: <20050227051735.76018.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 26, 2005 09:17:35 PM Message-ID: <20050227055654.80440.qmail@mall-net.com> > Has anyone out there, ever experimented > with a hexahedral antenna before; (two > tetrahedrons sharing the same base)? No, but it is one of the standard antennii that I have seen in the past. You might do a google search for radio antenna hexahedral or tretrahedral. Most hams have some set of such things in books, etc. There are some ham web sites on antenna design. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 21:57:10 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Feb 26 22:57:21 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Thanks for typing back. Message-ID: <20050227055710.86857.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, Thanks for typing back. I hope you will respond to the other e-mails that I sent, too. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050226/69996ee9/attachment-0001.htm From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 22:43:53 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Sat Feb 26 23:44:05 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A cool website that I just found today, to share. In-Reply-To: <20050227052106.54560.qmail@web50209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050227064353.87698.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> I want those jets!! Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > To all, > > Here is a cool website that I just found, today: > http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html > > Clyde > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Feb 27 07:50:35 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 00:50:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] To duplicate Javilk's electomagnetic field In-Reply-To: <20050227055355.76801.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Feb 27, 2005 05:53:55 AM Message-ID: <20050227075035.39459.qmail@mall-net.com> > Physical diagram > > 12" diameter > ============= > 6" gap > > ============= > 6" gap > > ============= > > Coils were wound on one foot diameter knitting hoops, available at most Basic method is to either lay down some double sided tape, or some strips of glue (white woodworking glue) on the ring, and then start spooling the wire onto the ring. I used the inner rings, not the adjustable parts. After winding, I put more glue over the coil to stabilize the wires. you can also glue the ring to some paper or cardboard to facilitate keeping the wire on the ring, then cut the inner part out to let your head fit. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Feb 27 15:04:38 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Feb 27 16:04:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A cool website that I just found today, to share. In-Reply-To: <20050227064353.87698.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050227230438.72498.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Me too!!! Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com Robert Juliano wrote: I want those jets!! Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > To all, > > Here is a cool website that I just found, today: > http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html > > Clyde > clydelofton@yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050227/216dc9a8/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Feb 27 21:29:11 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Feb 27 22:29:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Quick weblink information, for the color infinity poster, + contact information. In-Reply-To: <20050226011759.27484.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050228052911.71660.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> clyde lofton wrote: Javilk, This is information that I have waited a hell of a long time to find, and I was finally able to find it, with some generous help. The information is on, the color, Infinity poster. I visited your website through the weblink on the webpage, regarding; Brain Wave Entrainment, with magnetic fields, and I noticed that you have a section on your website, concerning art. Here are two weblinks to a piece of 'esoteric' art, that you might find interesting, that is, unless you already know about this piece of artwork's existance. Originally a 16th century woodcut, by an unknown German artist, it was put into picture format, then painted, and was then put into a modern poster format. The weblinks: 1.) http://www.tenspeed.com/catalog/posters/item.php3?id=1947 2.) http://www.tenspeed.com/about/contacts.php3 Sincerely, Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050227/cdb0fa35/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Feb 27 22:01:36 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Feb 27 23:01:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Regarding the V.L.F., E.M. field generator, for brainwave entrainment. Message-ID: <20050228060136.15034.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, Were you able to measure the voltage, current, and wattage outputs of the audio amplifier that you used, for the experiment? If so, can you inform me, as to what all three of those factors were, at the time of your experiment? I don't want to make any mistakes if at all possible, when I build, test, and use the setup that you have described. Also, the crude diagrams that you gave, in your last two responses, were not interpretable by me. Were the three coils, in parallel with one another? The coils look as though they are in parallel with each other, in the diagrams. If so, how would a person go about placing their head in the center of the coil configurations, if the coils are all three, in parallel with one another, and closely coupled, as your diagram seems to show? Or did you construct the arrangment, as having two coils on either side of the head, and the third coil, directly over the head? One final thing: Have you ever done any experiments, or have you ever known of anyone who has done any experiments, of constructing a high power, direct current, electromagnetic field 'bed,' to sleep within? (A single, large wound coil, that one would have to enter into, at one of the ends, of that coil?) And if so, what the physiological, and psychological effects, and/or benefits, or other, would be, from doing such? Sincerely, Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050227/ce7b5a0f/attachment.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Feb 28 06:59:51 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Feb 28 00:00:05 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Regarding the V.L.F., E.M. field generator, In-Reply-To: <20050228060136.15034.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Feb 27, 2005 10:01:36 PM Message-ID: <20050228065951.29322.qmail@mall-net.com> > Were you able to measure the > voltage, current, and wattage I measured current only. > Also, the crude diagrams that you > gave, in your last two responses, > were not interpretable by me. > Were the three coils, in parallel with > one another? The schematic clearly showed three elements in series. If you do not know how to read a schematic, then perhaps this is not something for you to play with. > The coils look as though they are in > parallel with each other, in the > diagrams. They are stacked on above the other with a six inch separation. If you do not know how to read a diagram, then perhaps this is not something for you to play with. > If so, how would a person go about > placing their head in the center of the > coil configurations, if the coils are all > three, in parallel with one another, > and closely coupled, as your diagram > seems to show? By doing it. As I said, the coils are wound on one foot diameter knitting hoops. Most people's heads are substantially less than one foot in diameter. > Or did you construct the arrangment, > as having two coils on either side of > the head, and the third coil, directly > over the head? No. That would not create a Helmholtz field. If you do not know what a Helmholtz field is and how it is created, then perhaps this is not something for you to play with. > One final thing: > Have you ever done any experiments, > or have you ever known of anyone > who has done any experiments, of > constructing a high power, direct > current, electromagnetic field 'bed,' to > sleep within? That would be inadvisable, as your brain must be free to vary its frequencies over time. You might go insane from too long an exposure to any one frequency. In fact, you probably will go insane, though it may take a substantial amount of time. Like overnight. I am not joking. The brain is a weighed neural network with repeated firings altering the weighing of individual connections. It has been shown that lower frequencies and excessive mode-locking are associated with mental retardation. Higher frequencies will prevent sleep, which is also harmful. Also consider that if you impose sleep via magnetics, you will likely not wake up in the morning to turn the device off. You will be likely to remain suspended in this sleep-like state till you die of starvation. The purpose of this device is to impose a general base firing pattern so as to encourage synchronization of disparate brain pacer cells as well as synchronizing the two hemispheres. The intensity is kept low, on the order of magnitude of a known NATURAL signal which is said to synchronize biological phenomenon. However, as with anything, too much of a good thing is NOT a better thing! Since you can not run down to the local radio Shack or Brain Emporium and obtain a replacement brain for yourself, it is inadvisable to muck with it too much. Light synchronization enhancements seem not to cause much change in _MY_ brain. However, I do note that metabolism changes, muscle tension increases (mine is normally too lax) and from that, body temperature rises toward the norms. Since my body temperature is usually too low, muscle tension is too lax, and brain is too scattered at times, this is, FOR ME, an improvement. If those conditions are not true for yourself, it may be harmful for you. Heck, for all I know, it might even increase the risk of brain cancer. Use at your own risk. THINK before you do! If you can not understand these things, them perhaps this is something that is not meant for your mind to play with. Remember, you live in your brain. Altering it will change who you are. Whether that is for the better or for the worse, is difficult to know. Others observing you generally see a more accurate view of your behavior than you do. A trusted intelligent assistant is generally advisable when attempting to alter yourself. Especially since people in euphoric states tend to do REALLY STUPID things! (e.g. driving faster than the speed limit, attempting to fly by jumping off buildings, operating power machinery past normative social and/or legal constraints, etc.) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From agassi at erols.com Mon Feb 28 03:15:22 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Mon Feb 28 01:15:28 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Do You know everything? In-Reply-To: <20050220060125.57374.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of clyde lofton Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:01 AM To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: [Polesoft Antispam][Mad-Scientists] Do You know everything? Mr. Agassi, Do you know everything? I don't! I wish I did, though! I wish I could transcend the curse of the flesh and blood existance, into godhood, but I can't. The big bang theory is only belief, All assertions are by definition, both opinion and claim of truth value. Science neither pretends nor demands certainty, but rather, deals, scrupulously, in the best available evidence. Hence, no claims of truth value are ever refuted or invalidated simply by being opinion. Counter argument requires more. and belief is not fact. I'm sorry, but I simply do not understand that word, 'fact.' http://www.FoolQuest.com/metaphysics_for_dummies.htm#fact So, could you define your terms, explain yourself or rephrase your statement? That sentence is a quote that I have borrowed from a man named; David French. Since you snipped out the passage, I don't know what you are referring to. Please abide by the USENET posting conventions! I am skilled more in linguistic communication, than I am, in mathematic communication. I hope you won't hold that against me. And just because I am skilled better at linguistic science, (as I have come to realize about myself,) than I am, at mathematic science, doesn't mean I like philosophy, as many critics out there confuse words particularly, with philosophism, and it seems that there is constant arguement, and bickering, and fighting, over the use of words. (Maybe there is a lot of bickering and fighting that goes on in the mathematical community too; actually I know that there is, because when it comes to math, I can say that my dad was full of shit, when it comes to mathematics, because he didn't teach me a damned thing about math; all that he did, was to frustrate me, and to curse me, because he could not explain math to me, (like first, beginning with the history of math, and how it was created, and how it was founded;) and so because of it, I have become a closed minded adult now, to mathematics, because of my now deceased dad, and I fucking hate my dad because of it, period . !) It is actually linguism vs. philosophism, and there is a difference between the two. Linguism, is trite, and to the point. Philosophism, is long winded, rambling nonsense. I have to admit that I am a mad, AMATEUR scientist, and not a true, mad, professional scientist. Or maybe the following three descriptions would better fit me: 1.) Mad amateur engineer. 2.) Mad amateur experimenter. 3.) Mad amateur researcher. I don't know. But regardless, I still love experimental science; especially science pertaining to high voltage, high current, high power electricity; (electrical science,) high sound pressure level, acoustic energy; (acoustic science,) and the potential for gyroscopes to be utilized in matrices, for omnidirectional thrust, for mechanical lift, levitation, and propulsion, of aircraft, and spacecraft; (electromechanical science,) (and experimental electromechanical science, pertaining to gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion, and also; pertaining to electroacoustic music.). I like radio science too, and am a radio amateur, although no longer a C.B.'er, or a 2 meter talker, my interest now lies mostly in V.L.F. radio experimentation, although I still want to do L.P.F.M. broadcasting, on the F.M. broadcast band, doing a community service station that is synchronized to the G.P.S., and NIST, which gives time, temperature, and other announcements, using a voltage controlled, 12 hour format, synthesized voice timer, that I hope to be able to actually pull off someday, with the help of the owner of a small speech synthesizer company. I am not really into computer science, on the other hand; But I prefer modular hardware, over complicated, expensive anti-user friendly, computer software. And I am also, not really mechanically inclined either. I also want to build my own small scale, redundant, micro powerplant. But I do not like any of the conventional energy sources; neither fossil fuels, nor conventional alternatives. I am sick and tired of convention science, and I am sick of pseudo science, both, equally. The answers lie hidden and scattered, somewhere in esoteric science, locked away, by greed. And international industry, as well as the international banking system, are both, equally to blame for the suppression of solutions. An analogy to the mainstream doctors; Mainstream doctors are doctors of disease. Mainstream doctors are not doctors of antidotes. I can write more, but I am going to leave off, here. Sincerely, Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050228/8ee2c238/attachment-0001.htm From agassi at erols.com Mon Feb 28 03:18:50 2005 From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi) Date: Mon Feb 28 01:18:45 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... In-Reply-To: <20050223021703.18062.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert > Juliano > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:17 PM > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List > Subject: [Polesoft Antispam]RE: [Mad-Scientists] skipping a bit... > > >  > > > --- Aaron Agassi wrote: > > > > Worst of all, Anime Fandom has the temerity to fill > the gap left by > > previous Fandom's infighting, schism and self > inflicted injury. Worse > still, the Japanese have > shown themselves capable of diversifying and > > marketing Science Fiction and Fantasy to ever broader > markets and > population segments. All quite > unforgivable! > > Possibly worse than those points, is the fact that > anime achieved something that fandom kept priding > itself on and yet - save for some strange groups like > the minnesota fan groups - never achieved : the easy > hook up. Fandom has always had a certain reputation > for "finding many playful friends." As many long > timers know, this is much less than the truth. > > Anime fandom, on the other hand is somewhat jarring in > the matter of fact, little shyness, direct attitude > towards sex. Maybe it is based somewhat on the > japanese attitude towards sex. But it is their if you > want it. Match yourself to the sub group you like, and > bon appetit. > > Bob (who has to actively brandish his wedding ring to > be left alone) Alas, no major Anime Cons in the Boston area, to compete and challenge the sycophantic self appointed gatekeepers. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Feb 28 16:04:59 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Feb 28 17:05:17 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Do You know everything? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050301000500.7935.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Agassi, Belief is not absolute. Aaron Agassi wrote: -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of clyde lofton Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:01 AM To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: [Polesoft Antispam][Mad-Scientists] Do You know everything? Mr. Agassi, Do you know everything? I don't! I wish I did, though! I wish I could transcend the curse of the flesh and blood existance, into godhood, but I can't. The big bang theory is only belief, All assertions are by definition, both opinion and claim of truth value. Science neither pretends nor demands certainty, but rather, deals, scrupulously, in the best available evidence. Hence, no claims of truth value are ever refuted or invalidated simply by being opinion. Counter argument requires more. and belief is not fact. I'm sorry, but I simply do not understand that word, 'fact.' http://www.FoolQuest.com/metaphysics_for_dummies.htm#fact So, could you define your terms, explain yourself or rephrase your statement? That sentence is a quote that I have borrowed from a man named; David French. Since you snipped out the passage, I don't know what you are referring to. Please abide by the USENET posting conventions! I am skilled more in linguistic communication, than I am, in mathematic communication. I hope you won't hold that against me. And just because I am skilled better at linguistic science, (as I have come to realize about myself,) than I am, at mathematic science, doesn't mean I like philosophy, as many critics out there confuse words particularly, with philosophism, and it seems that there is constant arguement, and bickering, and fighting, over the use of words. (Maybe there is a lot of bickering and fighting that goes on in the mathematical community too; actually I know that there is, because when it comes to math, I can say that my dad was full of shit, when it comes to mathematics, because he didn't teach me a damned thing about math; all that he did, was to frustrate me, and to curse me, because he could not explain math to me, (like first, beginning with the history of math, and how it was created, and how it was founded;) and so because of it, I have become a closed minded adult now, to mathematics, because of my now deceased dad, and I fucking hate my dad because of it, period . !) It is actually linguism vs. philosophism, and there is a difference between the two. Linguism, is trite, and to the point. Philosophism, is long winded, rambling nonsense. I have to admit that I am a mad, AMATEUR scientist, and not a true, mad, professional scientist. Or maybe the following three descriptions would better fit me: 1.) Mad amateur engineer. 2.) Mad amateur experimenter. 3.) Mad amateur researcher. I don't know. But regardless, I still love experimental science; especially science pertaining to high voltage, high current, high power electricity; (electrical science,) high sound pressure level, acoustic energy; (acoustic science,) and the potential for gyroscopes to be utilized in matrices, for omnidirectional thrust, for mechanical lift, levitation, and propulsion, of aircraft, and spacecraft; (electromechanical science,) (and experimental electromechanical science, pertaining to gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion, and also; pertaining to electroacoustic music.). I like radio science too, and am a radio amateur, although no longer a C.B.'er, or a 2 meter talker, my interest now lies mostly in V.L.F. radio experimentation, although I still want to do L.P.F.M. broadcasting, on the F.M. broadcast band, doing a community service station that is synchronized to the G.P.S., and NIST, which gives time, temperature, and other announcements, using a voltage controlled, 12 hour format, synthesized voice timer, that I hope to be able to actually pull off someday, with the help of the owner of a small speech synthesizer company. I am not really into computer science, on the other hand; But I prefer modular hardware, over complicated, expensive anti-user friendly, computer software. And I am also, not really mechanically inclined either. I also want to build my own small scale, redundant, micro powerplant. But I do not like any of the conventional energy sources; neither fossil fuels, nor conventional alternatives. I am sick and tired of convention science, and I am sick of pseudo science, both, equally. The answers lie hidden and scattered, somewhere in esoteric science, locked away, by greed. And international industry, as well as the international banking system, are both, equally to blame for the suppression of solutions. An analogy to the mainstream doctors; Mainstream doctors are doctors of disease. Mainstream doctors are not doctors of antidotes. I can write more, but I am going to leave off, here. Sincerely, Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050228/10b7ff41/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Feb 28 16:37:01 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Feb 28 17:37:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Did the Catholic Church, consider Nicolaus Copernicus's statement, that the earth revolves (continued). Message-ID: <20050301003701.87094.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Agassi, Did the Catholic Church consider Nicolaus Copernicus's statement; that the earth revolves around the sun, to be an opinion only; (and) (likewise, what they called, and considered to be, a heresy)? Science is not absolute. Omnidimension 'can be' absolute. Omnidimension can be a metaphysical reality, but omnidimension is a physical impossibility. What thoughts do you have, regarding this,?; hopefully good thoughts! Sincerely, Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050228/c71e3cdf/attachment.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Feb 28 17:33:42 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Feb 28 18:33:51 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050301013342.21905.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> I originally didn't have the time to respond to this posting, but this is very cool information. Clyde clydelofton@yahoo.com Joe Nowell wrote: no, a bonafied mad scientist must first be mad...then possibly scientific. Interesting conversation...do any of you have a program that can project backwards in time the star movements...say, what did the sky look like when the pyramids were suppose to have been built? joe -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Aaron Agassi Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:28 PM To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Dave Roscoe Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:59 PM To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Please, call me Roscoe. I also highly recommend the APOD website. You should check out today's image - Valles Marineris as viewed from the Mars Express spacecraft. The cool thing about APOD is all the links you can follow. They also have a searchable archive. Have you ever looked into purchasing astronomy software? I have several packages including Starry Night, The Sky and a few others. Starry Night is my favorite because it's the one I'm the most familiar with. The Sky came with one of my telescopes. A reletively new one that looks quite good is Desktop Universe but I haven't had a chance to evaluate a copy yet. Also you can do a lot of observing with almost any pair of binoculars. Dave Roscoe North Bay ON Canada droscoe@cogeco.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: clyde lofton To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hello. Mr. Roscoe, I am glad that I finally got a contactee out there. It's like sending out a beacon, and getting no response, up until now, but finally receiving a response. I don't know about anything regarding the yenta talk, and the bully talk, but I have stated my scientific interests already, yet I haven't got any feedback concerning them, if anyone else out there has similar interests, and I am growing tired of having to repeat myself to others every time 'that I sign on'. One of my interests that I forgot to mention, in an e-mail response to a mad scientist postee, named; Javilk, is regarding crude artificial intelligence, based on chaotic nervous systems/electronic chaos. I have interests also in analog modular sound synthesizers too, for the production of frequency modulated, ethereal audio spectrum sinewave frequency sweeping and warping sound effects, and also in audio clocks, chaos audio sound synthesis, and speech synthesizers used with vocoders too. I have wanted to build a working high powered, large scale Tesla coil for so many years now, but have been shelved, due to money limitations, because of the expensiveness of building high quality high voltage electrical capacitors for the Tesla coil. My major setback has been in the construction of a high quality, high voltage capacitor, for a good functioning Tesla coil. My original Tesla coil project failed due to an H.V. cap that I purchased, and later, after all of my frustration, I found out that the capacitor wasn't the correct type, for a Tesla coil application, so I wasted $350.00, on a useless cap, that I purchased through a company in the Thomas Register, and couldn't get my money back, for the cap. I could say more about that, but I won't, due to the lack of time right now. I am currently pondering, using a Tesla coil, to modulate a Theremin synthesizer, to produce ethereal sinewave chaos sound effects, to mimic the sound functions of nature, in the V.L.F (very low frequency) portion of the E.M. spectrum, where audio frequency, and radio frequency, are the same. I hope to be able to do some graveyard experiments, in the future too, with my V.L.F. audio spectrum radio receiver kit, that I purchased from North Country Radio, in New York. I have interests in low power F.M. radio broadcasting too, and partook in the micro radio movement, back in 2000, to 2001, but the F.C.C. field engineers from the Dallas enforcement branch showed up, told me to shut my station down, and threatened me with a fine, so I complied, and shut down my unlicenced L.P.F.M. operation. I am an amateur radio operator, and got my start with C.B., but I have lost my interest in the high frequency communications in amateur radio because it is mostly commercialism, and bullshit talk. And since I cannot operate my low power F.M. station legally, it causes me severe stress, and I have now lost my patriotism for this now divided country, of America. So I am really mad, and am also a perfectionist too, which makes me even madder, when things go wrong. Especially at work, when things go wrong, and my blood boils, my temperature rises to nuclear white hot anger, and I smash, cuss, kick, and throw things around; (I hope I haven't scared any customers though,) but I am certain that there have probably been many customers that have heard me go mad, with nuclear anger, at times when things go wrong, and customers that have heard me cuss out loud. I am also interested in anti gravity; (gyroscopic lift, levitation, and propulsion); suppressed technologies; energy, medical, medicinal and suppressed cures for diseases. Suppressed simply, by greed. Well, you mentioned that you are interested in astronomy. I like astronomy too, even though I can't afford a deep space hunter telescope, like the one that Art Bell advertizes, from Hardin Optical. I requested a Hardin Optical catalog, but unfortunately, I cannot afford a deep space hunter scope, otherwise, I would get one, and stargaze, and galaxygaze. I purchased a poster last year of the Hubble Telescope Deep Field, from Novaspace Galleries, that you may already be familiar with; galaxies as far as the scope can see. This is where I have trouble with convention science, that says that the universe is both expanding, and that the universe has an edge limit. Convention science, for the most part, is endless commercialism, on scientific theories, which is pretty much the same as propaganda, to establish belief systems, and likewise, cult-like followings. My arguement is, and constantly has been, as follows: Just as telescopes cannot measure both the infinite, and the absolute, forever, neither can microscopes measure the infinitesimely small, forever, either. The big bang is a complete crock, because it is absolutely impossible for order, for life, and for intelligent life, to spring forth, out of nuclear chaos. Why, simply because you say so? I do hope that you know perfectly well that chaotic systems eventually tend to homeostasis. And thence how Entropy can decrease, locally, at the expense of increased Entropy over all. Or have you any better refutation than the logical falsity known as failure of imagination? Surely a bonafied mad scientist must still first be scientific? I want to build a tetrahedral spaceship too; (commonly known in the U.F.O. community, as; triangle ships). But I am not Bill Gates, Burt Rutan, or Dean Kamen, or even Ozzy Osbourne. I am not wealthy. Maybe I will never be wealthy, but I want to leave this cursed planet that is on the verge of the war war three, being played out by the occult powers that be; the secreat societies; like Skull And Bones, and the modern pacifism of Freemasonry, and other worldwide secret players in the god games on the entire global political scene, playing the blind, dumb, American labrat lemmings in their globalism god games. I am ready to build a perfect, minimalistic, yet high tech spaceship, and leave this cursed planet, and this now cursed country, behind, even if it means only going into low earth orbit, taking a cyanide pill with me, and when the oxygen supply runs low, calling it quits on life, and letting the spaceship, and myself take our natural downward spiral back to earth, and completely burn up upon re-entry. Well I am going to leave off here. I don't have enough time at the moment to go back and do grammatical, and spelling error corrections as I generally do in the majority of my e-mails. It'd be cool if you, and/or others out there will respond back. The topics that I have mentioned in this mail aren't the only areas of interest, but I just don't have the time to repeat myself every time that I send out an e-mail, to post. Sincerely, Clyde Lofton clydelofton@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050228/d1206e45/attachment-0001.htm From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Feb 28 23:16:16 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Mar 1 00:17:14 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] In response to Javilks last reponse to me. Message-ID: <20050301071616.4108.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, I can read schematic diagrams. I have had some, not a lot, but some, electronics, and electrical education. The schematics that you were able to make, with the limitations of the computer keyboard functions, make interpretation of what you typed up, very difficult to interpret, due to the ambiguity of the schematic. I am going to have to look a little more indepth as to the creation of a helmholtz field. >From what I thought I originally understood, was that a helmholtz generator was applicable, only to acoustic transducers, and their relations to cavity resonance(s). What I don't understand, is if you arranged the middle coil, at a 90 degree angle, relative to the two other coils, so that you could place your head directly centered, in the middle of the three, where the middle coil would be directly overhead, and the two other coils would be on either side of your head. Sorry about my indepth questioning; I am just a perfectionist, and a stickler for details, because I want to get it right the first time. When I mentioned: a direct current, electromagnetic field, bed, to sleep within, I was not talking about the E.M. field being an A.C. field; I was referring to it as being, a pure, isolated, direct current E.M. field., surrounding the entire body, and not modulated at all, by any external A.C. source, at all, whatsoever. In your estimation, could there still be negative, or detrimental side effects to such an experiment, on both, the physiology, and the psychology, if one remained within the D.C. E.M. field for a given amount of time? Would the D.C., E.M. field, aid in human cellular regeneration, just as high voltage D.C. helps to stimulate plant growth, in certain retrofitted greenhouses, in various places in this world? We aren't talking about Omega (nuclear) radiation here, which causes degeneration, instead of regeneration, and we aren't even talking about Alpha radiation either. Pure, flatline D.C., is nonradioactive, when left undisturbed, or when left unmodulated. And there is non nuclear radioactivity, and there is nuclear radioactivity; light, being the 'fuzzy' division 'point' between the two forms. Also; I would, for absolute certainty, include an (isolated) A.C. powered timer, to shut the equipment off, at a given amount of elapsed time, but I don't know what amount of elapsed time would be satisfactory, to achieve the desired end results that would be beneficial. How long did you keep your head within the E.M. field of the V.L.F. unit that you built, used, and tested? Hope you can respond back soon. 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