From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 1 07:13:54 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (mbest@triad.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 1 07:20:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] On gravity, entropy, and God. Message-ID: <015101c57e47$1d3f6980$6701a8c0@dencomputer> I received the following from another listserver I subscribe to. Thought it might be worth passing along. -MB Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:58:17 -0000 From: "jebayles2001" > Hey Jerry, > > Got thinking, and I think that Newton has it > wrong...... For every action there is a reaction? > How about Gravity? Where is the opposite reaction? > > Look forward to hear your comments. > > Al ======================= Hi Al: If you look at Newton's statement: "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction", I think he was saying that there is no reaction unless there was an action that preceeded it and was the initiator of that reaction. Further, he was suggesting that there was just as much reaction as there was action. However, I suspect that there is a loss (such as caused by the fundamental law of entropy), however small, such that the reaction will always be somewhat less than the action. It is this small difference that I propose is the least quantum loss related to electrogravitation and is equal to 6.647 x 10^-33 joules per electron mass-energy interaction. This is the least quantum of electrogravitational energy. In otherwords, it is the law of entropy that leads us to the mechanics of electrogravitation, which is also called by contemporary science gravity. The energy difference is not lost but possibly becomes the dark matter and energy that fills our universe. The energy source that drives this difference engine is the same source that created the universe during the Big Bang and is the infinite pure creative energy of God. Therefore, the absolute perfection of God's design of creation is not in a flawless equality of action and reaction but rather in the absolutely small imbalance of forces which allow for us to exist at all. May His peace abide with you. --Jerry B. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 6/30/05 From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 1 10:03:20 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 1 10:03:36 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] On gravity, entropy, and God. In-Reply-To: <015101c57e47$1d3f6980$6701a8c0@dencomputer> from "mbest@triad.rr.com" at Jul 01, 2005 10:13:54 AM Message-ID: <20050701170320.86425.qmail@mall-net.com> > > Got thinking, and I think that Newton has it > > wrong...... For every action there is a reaction? > > How about Gravity? Where is the opposite reaction? Gravity and magnetism are properties, so they are exempt. Gravity may be viewed as a curvature in the fabric of space-time. Or so the theory goes. Einstein worked on gravity for quite some time. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 1 10:55:45 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (mbest@triad.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 1 10:59:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] On gravity, entropy, and God. Message-ID: <01f901c57e66$1b6fc180$6701a8c0@dencomputer> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:03:20 +0000 (GMT) From: javilk@mall-net.com > > Got thinking, and I think that Newton has it > > wrong...... For every action there is a reaction? > > How about Gravity? Where is the opposite reaction? > Gravity and magnetism are properties, so they are exempt. Gravity > may be viewed as a curvature in the fabric of space-time. Or so the > theory goes. Einstein worked on gravity for quite some time. Magnetism isn't exempt, there is no magnetic monopole. But where is the gravitational dipole? And what of unified fields? Do electrons, photons and gravitons interact? Can EM fields curve space? I think they can, and do. And what happens if one can use EM fields to create a greater curvature on the opposite side of an object from a body of high mass? "Antigravity," or more precisely, reactionless forces. -MB -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 6/30/05 From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 1 11:03:43 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 1 11:03:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] On gravity, entropy, and God. In-Reply-To: <01f901c57e66$1b6fc180$6701a8c0@dencomputer> from "mbest@triad.rr.com" at Jul 01, 2005 01:55:45 PM Message-ID: <20050701180343.34820.qmail@mall-net.com> > > > Got thinking, and I think that Newton has it > > > wrong...... For every action there is a reaction? > > > How about Gravity? Where is the opposite reaction? > > > Gravity and magnetism are properties, so they are exempt. Gravity > And what happens if one can use EM fields to create a greater curvature on > the opposite side of an object from a body of high mass? > > "Antigravity," or more precisely, reactionless forces. Thank you for the light. (I think...) Forces have nothing to do with reaction. Reaction is where an action meets a resistance. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 1 12:41:18 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 1 12:41:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050701194119.33109.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> Justin Hart wrote: A friend of mine reads books on tape for the blind. He told me that interfaces that speak at what one would consider to be a normal pace are considered a bit too slow by the standards of blind people. They also prefer the books on tape where he is reading at a pace that is brisk enough such that, people with sight, would not be fond of the pace. Blind people would probably prefer that such an interface speak the time as quickly as possible, within the constraints that it is still understandable. WELL THE PLAN IS, IF THE PLAN WORKS OUT, TO HAVE THE TALKING CLOCK DO ITS TIME ANNOUNCEMENT, ONCE A MINUTE, ON THE TOP OF EVERY MINUTE, WITH A CONTROL BUTTON OR SWITCH, TO ALLOW THE USER TO HEAR THE CURRENT TIME WHENEVER NEEDED. MY MAIN FOCUS IS TO BE ABLE TO USE THE TALKING CLOCK FOR L.P.F.M, L.P.A.M., AND L.P.T.V. BROADCAST STATIONS AND FOR AMATEUR (HAM) REPEATERS, MAINLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, TO BE SYNCHRONIZED TO THE G.P.S., WHICH IS IN TURN, SYNCHRONIZED TO W.W.V., IN FORT COLLINS, COLORADO. I ALSO INTEND TO CONFIGURE A TALKING THERMOMETER AND TALKING HUMIDISTAT ARRANGEMENT, EVENTUALLY, IF I CAN. THE RAOAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS, AND SO I REALLY DON'T WANT TO TALK TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS PROJECT, JUST IN CASE THINGS DO NOT WORK OUT FOR THE BETTER. CLYDE LOFTON Justin On 6/30/05, javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > 1. Would the blind community be interested in a talking > > clock that is manufactured in the United States, using the > > highest of quality parts and components, and built, with > > the highest of integrity in its workmanship? > > No. Bease of their disabilites, most blind are seriously cash > strapped. They want the cheapest talking clock, something that is > available from Radio Shack, or might be available from Wal-Mart. > > > 2. What would the blind be willing to pay for an American > > integrity talking clock unit? > > As little as possible. > > Many of them use wind-up clocks with removable crystals so they can > feel the hands. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050701/8739b2f6/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 1 13:01:02 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:01:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND. In-Reply-To: <20050701194119.33109.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 01, 2005 12:41:18 PM Message-ID: <20050701200102.13061.qmail@mall-net.com> > WELL THE PLAN IS, IF THE PLAN WORKS OUT, TO HAVE > THE TALKING CLOCK DO ITS TIME ANNOUNCEMENT, > ONCE A MINUTE, ON THE TOP OF EVERY MINUTE, WITH > A CONTROL BUTTON OR SWITCH, TO ALLOW THE USER > TO HEAR THE CURRENT TIME WHENEVER NEEDED. Drive people nuts. Allow options to set this to every 1 minute, 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes... Tones are preferred by many; the grandfather clock did this in a discrete way. Lots of history for that type of thing. Use a sweet woman's voice. People appreciate that more. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From justinhart at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 13:15:46 2005 From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND. In-Reply-To: <20050701200102.13061.qmail@mall-net.com> References: <20050701194119.33109.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> <20050701200102.13061.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: A dalek voice would be fun. Justin On 7/1/05, javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > WELL THE PLAN IS, IF THE PLAN WORKS OUT, TO HAVE > > THE TALKING CLOCK DO ITS TIME ANNOUNCEMENT, > > ONCE A MINUTE, ON THE TOP OF EVERY MINUTE, WITH > > A CONTROL BUTTON OR SWITCH, TO ALLOW THE USER > > TO HEAR THE CURRENT TIME WHENEVER NEEDED. > > Drive people nuts. Allow options to set this to every 1 minute, 5 > minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes... > > Tones are preferred by many; the grandfather clock did this in a > discrete way. Lots of history for that type of thing. > > Use a sweet woman's voice. People appreciate that more. > > -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) > CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. > Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. > My opinions are subject to the availability of information. > I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. > > For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices > orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. > Today's Art Photo > Chem / Fungus allergies > Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. > Arthritis > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. > > -- Justin W. Hart From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 1 13:16:18 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:16:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND. In-Reply-To: <20050701200102.13061.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050701201619.38846.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > WELL THE PLAN IS, IF THE PLAN WORKS OUT, TO HAVE > THE TALKING CLOCK DO ITS TIME ANNOUNCEMENT, > ONCE A MINUTE, ON THE TOP OF EVERY MINUTE, WITH > A CONTROL BUTTON OR SWITCH, TO ALLOW THE USER > TO HEAR THE CURRENT TIME WHENEVER NEEDED. Drive people nuts. Allow options to set this to every 1 minute, 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes... NO. THE OPPOSITE IS DESIRED. LISTENING TO THE GOD DAMNED CONSTANT OSCILLATOR THAT IS PART OF THE W.W.V. SHORTWAVE BROADCAST IS ANNOYING ENOUGH. TOO MUCH REPETITION IS NOT WANTED; JUST A PEACEFUL TALKING CLOCK THAT ANOUNCES EVERY MINUTE ON THE TOP OF THE MINUTE. Tones are preferred by many YEAH; IF THE PROJECT WORKS OUT, I HAVE A CUSTOM MOTM (SYNTHESIS TECHNOLOGY) AUDIO CLOCK, TO BE USED ONLY FOR THE SECOND MARKERS, THAT I WILL BE USING IN CUSTOM COMBINATION WITH THE TALKING CLOCK UNIT. YOU CAN LOOK SYNTHESIS TECHNOLOGY'S WEBSITE: http://www.synthtech.com ; the grandfather clock did this in a discrete way. Lots of history for that type of thing. OK. Use a sweet woman's voice. People appreciate that more. THAT'S A DESIRED OPTION. I'D LIKE TO HAVE TWO SEPERATE SPEECH CHIPS; ONE WITH A CRUDE ELECTROMECHANICAL MAN'S VOICE, AND THE OTHER WITH A CRUDE ELECTROMECHANICAL WOMAN'S VOICE TOO, BUT LACK OF TIME AND MONEY RESOURCES MAY NOT ALLOW FOR THE CREATION OF TWO DIFFERENT VOICE TYPES; PROBABLY ONLY ONE. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050701/e2dc7873/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 1 13:21:25 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:21:29 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Gotta go. Message-ID: <20050701202125.3944.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> I gotta go. Only got three minutes remaining at the library today. I'll talk more tomorrow if I have time. Clyde __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050701/4b576147/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 1 14:00:43 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 1 14:00:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND. In-Reply-To: from "Justin Hart" at Jul 01, 2005 04:15:46 PM Message-ID: <20050701210043.46007.qmail@mall-net.com> > > A dalek voice would be fun. All that's needed is more ROM for the numbers. Use flash, and you can add your own or a friend's voice reading numbers. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 1 16:14:28 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (mbest@triad.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:17:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] On gravity, entropy, and God. References: <20050701180343.34820.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <021001c57e92$a1636d60$6701a8c0@dencomputer> From: Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:03 PM > Thank you for the light. (I think...) Forces have nothing to do > with reaction. Reaction is where an action meets a resistance. Not in Newtonian physics. For an object to remain at rest in a field that places a force on it, an equal and opposite force must be applied. E.g., when you stand on the ground, gravity applies a force of (mass) X (gravatational acceleration) on your body. The ground must provide a normal force, opposite in direction, and equal in magnitude, or you will sink into the earth. In practice, this means one will sink into quicksand until the added force of bouyancy matches the gravatational force. Action/reaction. Unbalanced forces result in acceleration, modeled by the equation F=ma. However, when you decide to walk forward, you are not propelled by your feet, they apply force BACKWARDS. The surface you are standing on provides a reaction force which propels you forward! This is reaction propulsion. Similarly, a jet airplane or rocket ejects gases backwards, the reaction force propels the craft forward. All the above discussion is based on Newtonian physics, which is a special case of relativistic physics. In the relativistic model, gravity is caused by masses creating curvature in the fabric of space. Logically, had we the ability to curve space by some other means than mass, then we could make a device that could always "coast downnhill," as it would be surfing on a "wave" of spatial curvature, very like a surfer at the beach. THAT is reactionless propulsion. We do not yet have a unified field theory, but its most basic premise is that all forces are interrelated. So I think it is reasonable to expect that EM fields can curve space similarly to the way masses curve space, creating gravitational forces. Now I'm going to find myself a swimming pool or lake to jump into. It's 3.38pm EDT in Greensboro, our dry air temperature is 92F (and rising), the humidity is 65%, and the heat index is just short of Hades itself- -MB -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 6/30/05 From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 1 17:51:19 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:51:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] On gravity, entropy, and God. In-Reply-To: <021001c57e92$a1636d60$6701a8c0@dencomputer> from "mbest@triad.rr.com" at Jul 01, 2005 07:14:28 PM Message-ID: <20050702005119.89169.qmail@mall-net.com> > > From: > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:03 PM > > > Thank you for the light. (I think...) Forces have nothing to do > > with reaction. Reaction is where an action meets a resistance. > > Not in Newtonian physics. For an object to remain at rest in a field that > places a force on it, an equal and opposite force must be applied. E.g., If I load a washing machine in the back of my cosmic pickup truck, the truck will exert a force against it as it reacts to the force of the gases rushing out behind. If I then execute a turn while someone tosses that washing machine out, the washing machine will continue in a straight line till it impacts something, like that asteroid. > when you stand on the ground, gravity applies a force of (mass) X > (gravitational acceleration) on your body. The ground must provide a normal > force, opposite in direction, and equal in magnitude, or you will sink into > the earth. In practice, this means one will sink into quicksand until the One company doing work in Waterbury, Ct parked a bulldozer on some soft ground. After the long weekend, they found only the exhaust pipe sticking up. Probing the soft ground, they discovered that a bulldozer-like object, now underground, was attached to the exhaust pipe. 4 days = 96 hours, sink rate of one inch per hour = 8 feet. About right. > In the relativistic model, gravity is caused by masses creating curvature in > the fabric of space. Logically, had we the ability to curve space by some > other means than mass, then we could make a device that could always "coast > downnhill," as it would be surfing on a "wave" of spatial curvature, very > like a surfer at the beach. > > THAT is reactionless propulsion. Falling, not surfing. > Now I'm going to find myself a swimming pool or lake to jump into. It's > 3.38pm EDT in Greensboro, our dry air temperature is 92F (and rising), the > humidity is 65%, and the heat index is just short of Hades itself- 100 outside, 99 inside, relative humidity 50 inside, probably 20 outside. Which makes all the difference in the world! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 1 18:47:11 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (mbest@triad.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 1 18:48:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] On gravity, entropy, and God. References: <20050702005119.89169.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <028401c57ea7$f6ed1d20$6701a8c0@dencomputer> From: Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 8:51 PM > If I load a washing machine in the back of my cosmic pickup truck, > the truck will exert a force against it as it reacts to the force of the > gases rushing out behind. > > If I then execute a turn while someone tosses that washing machine > out, the washing machine will continue in a straight line till it > impacts something, like that asteroid. Only if no other forces act upon it! But space is full of other forces that would distort your washing machine's path. The solar wind, gravitational forces from myriads of stars, planets, even the asteroid it crashes into. Further, the kinetic energy of your washing machine would have to be accounted for in the crash, very like the Deep Impact scheduled for Monday. Ever seen Meteor Crater? That huge crater was created by a meteor impact. What happened: The deceleration of the meteor upon impact converted its kinetic energy to heat, enough heat to vaporize the nickle-iron meteor! Gazillions of BB-sized iron spheres were found there, but no meteorite. These were the condensation droplets from the vaporized meteor that fell back to Earth. And the energy of that vaporization is what carved out the crater. > One company doing work in Waterbury, Ct parked a bulldozer on some > soft ground. After the long weekend, they found only the exhaust pipe > sticking up. Probing the soft ground, they discovered that a > bulldozer-like object, now underground, was attached to the exhaust > pipe. 4 days = 96 hours, sink rate of one inch per hour = 8 feet. About > right. That had to be a pink-slip day for someone! I bet that 'dozer operater didn't repeat THAT mistake! > > In the relativistic model, gravity is caused by masses creating curvature in > > the fabric of space. Logically, had we the ability to curve space by some > > other means than mass, then we could make a device that could always "coast > > downnhill," as it would be surfing on a "wave" of spatial curvature, very > > like a surfer at the beach. > > > > THAT is reactionless propulsion. > Falling, not surfing. No, the surfing analogy applies quite well. Surfers are continuously falling down the slope of the wave they ride. The water in the wave actually moves but very little, mostly up and down. A wave does not push the surfer, the surfer continuously falls down the slope of a moving wave. Reactionless propulsion depends on creating a moving "wave" of spatial curvature, much as the wind produces moving waves in water. I routinely use such visualizations to help me understand reality. My coworkers accuse me of sleeping on the job, but they fail to realize that I'm meditating, allowing my mind to float free and unencumbered- visualizing the interactions of molecules, etc. This is the secret to my prowess in industrial chemistry. So I suppose we are both correct. It's perpetual falling, like surfing a wave in Hawaii. And how I would love to be surfing right now! 9:30pm, and STILL mid-eighties temperature, and heat index in the nineties. There is a "cold" front (cooler front?) headed my way, I hope it gets here soon! The A/C in the house has been running full-out, and losing ground- and has iced up the evaporator coil in the air handler twice today from the humidity. I've no A/C in the workshop, so I'm still running my backup box here- the big computer is sick again, but I can't concentrate enough to fix it in this hellish heat. I suspect that it is suffering from heatstroke! -MB -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 6/30/05 From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 1 19:15:37 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 1 19:15:46 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] On gravity, entropy, and God. In-Reply-To: <028401c57ea7$f6ed1d20$6701a8c0@dencomputer> from "mbest@triad.rr.com" at Jul 01, 2005 09:47:11 PM Message-ID: <20050702021537.51175.qmail@mall-net.com> > > If I load a washing machine in the back of my cosmic pickup truck, > > the truck will exert a force against it as it reacts to the force of the > > gases rushing out behind. > > > > If I then execute a turn while someone tosses that washing machine > > out, the washing machine will continue in a straight line till it > > impacts something, like that asteroid. > > Only if no other forces act upon it! But space is full of other forces that > would distort your washing machine's path. The solar wind, gravitational That's the whole point! An object in motion tends to continue in motion unless acted upon by a force. Or another object. Forces are reactionless. The application of a force is not. > Ever seen Meteor Crater? That huge crater was created by a meteor impact. > What happened: The deceleration of the meteor upon impact converted its > kinetic energy to heat, enough heat to vaporize the nickle-iron meteor! Boiling a lot of dinosaurs or whatever. That's a minor side effect of poor astrogaton on someone's part. > > One company doing work in Waterbury, Ct parked a bulldozer on some > > soft ground. After the long weekend, they found only the exhaust pipe > > sticking up. Probing the soft ground, they discovered that a > > bulldozer-like object, now underground, was attached to the exhaust > > pipe. 4 days = 96 hours, sink rate of one inch per hour = 8 feet. About > > right. > > That had to be a pink-slip day for someone! I bet that 'dozer operater > didn't repeat THAT mistake! I would assume the flow rate sideways would have resulted in a little bit of a depresson, possibly a puddle. Or maybe the sink rate was three inches per hour, and soft mud slid in overhead. Either way, it illustrates unbalanced forces. > > Falling, not surfing. > > No, the surfing analogy applies quite well. Surfers are continuously > falling down the slope of the wave they ride. The water in the wave Falling is freefall, save the air resistance, if any. Surfing is a balance of forces, the surfer attempting to keep them in balance so as not to end up at the bottom or the top of the wave. We see them try this every time we go to the beach in Santa Cruz. (Why, I don't know. I suppose it is the lack of ski slopes ion summer; but that activity too is somewhat mistifying as well.) > Reactionless propulsion depends on creating a moving "wave" of spatial > curvature, much as the wind produces moving waves in water. That will be interesting. > I routinely use such visualizations to help me understand reality. My > coworkers accuse me of sleeping on the job, but they fail to realize that > I'm meditating, allowing my mind to float free and unencumbered- visualizing > the interactions of molecules, etc. This is the secret to my prowess in > industrial chemistry. Or anything else really complex. I may spend a week or two doing that as I design things on project. > So I suppose we are both correct. It's perpetual falling, like surfing a > wave in Hawaii. > > And how I would love to be surfing right now! 9:30pm, and STILL Why? You'r not going anywhere interesting. It's just going for the sake of going, and a difficult going at that. Getting a Seqway is probably cheaper. Certainly cheaper per mile! > A/C in the house has been running full-out, and losing ground- and has iced > up the evaporator coil in the air handler twice today from the humidity. Lucky you. I'm on solar... And solar is just about powerless!!! And expensive. There are other, rather cheap solar technologies available; but they involve a lot more work. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. CAUTION: I'm no physicist, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical or physics advice. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 1 19:40:24 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 1 19:41:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] On gravity, entropy, and God. In-Reply-To: <20050702021537.51175.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Jul 02, 2005 02:15:37 AM Message-ID: <20050702024024.71746.qmail@mall-net.com> > Forces are reactionless. The application of a force is not. > > > Ever seen Meteor Crater? That huge crater was created by a meteor impact. > > What happened: The deceleration of the meteor upon impact converted its > > kinetic energy to heat, enough heat to vaporize the nickle-iron meteor! > > Boiling a lot of dinosaurs or whatever. That's a minor side effect > of poor astrogaton on someone's part. Actually, I'd be more interested to know who walked off with all the funds earmarket for the remediation and repatiration of surviving dinosaurs. Has to be a fraud there somewhere. The interest alone must be astronomical by now! -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 1 22:10:08 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (mbest@triad.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 1 22:12:59 2005 Subject: Capatal investment (Was: Re: [Mad-Scientists] On gravity, entropy, and God.) References: <20050702024024.71746.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <02ad01c57ec4$50fa5500$6701a8c0@dencomputer> From: Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:40 PM > Actually, I'd be more interested to know who walked off with all > the funds earmarket for the remediation and repatiration of surviving > dinosaurs. Has to be a fraud there somewhere. The interest alone must > be astronomical by now! And who got the better deal when the Native Americans sold Manhattan Island? Had the natives invested the trinkets they were paid into even an ordinary savings account at 2-3% interest, the compounding of the interest over the years would have made that investment worth considerably more than all the real estate and buildings that now exist in Manhattan! With a shrewd capital funds manager, those Native Americans could now control more money than all of the USA. Unfortunately, they had no Internet then- so they could not receive spam from innumerable brokers, advising them of which microcap penny stock to invest in! However, I am sure that if we were to look hard enough, we could find some modern-day financial institution to blame for their loss of potential profit- just as several major banks have had to admit that their predecessor institutions centuries ago profited from the economics of slavery. Well, I have a difficult time accepting responsibility today for the actions of business centuries ago! And, quite frankly, I think that the descendants of those slaves should be thankful that their forefathers were brought here, voluntarily or not. Their alternative today would be to be living in a totalitarian country, starving from famine, or being murdered by their brethren in genocide. Here they have the freedom to bitch about the slavery of their ancestors, and Governmental blessing to persecute modern-day entities that may have been involved in slavery centuries ago. Should we get the law firm of Dewey, Cheetham, and Howe, PA, to investigate this? I think they just might find a class-action lawsuit here, and take the case for a 98% contingency fee. (I still remember the last class-action I was party to- I collected the princely sum of forty-seven cents! But the lawyers made $Million$!) With that in mind, I must agree that any NEO that desires to impact our planet must first file an Environmental Impact Statement, and await EPA approval before colliding. Further, it should get its Union membership, as its actions will impact unionized demolition and construction workers. And let's not forget that it needs FDA approval for the biological effects it will generate, EEOC approval that it employs the proper ratio of minorities, and OSHA approval for its safety program! And it must NOT disturb the habitat of the snail darter or spotted owl! This should insure that it strikes in China, where no such Governmental regulations exist. And if it fails to file all appropriate forms, then Dewey, Cheetham, and Howe has an ironclad case! But they must subpoena God to testify in court, assuming there are any courts left! Remember, "I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help you!" Now that O'Conner has retired, I wonder which Peon will be promoted to Moron? Is it possible to warp space enough to produce some antimatter, specifically anti-Governmentium? That would be nifty- watching the annihilation of the element that impedes everything! -MB -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 6/30/05 From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Jul 2 05:40:20 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 2 05:40:36 2005 Subject: Capatal investment (Was: Re: [Mad-Scientists] On gravity, entropy, and Go... Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2005 1:13:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mbest@triad.rr.com writes: Well, I have a difficult time accepting responsibility today for the actions of business centuries ago! And, quite frankly, I think that the descendants of those slaves should be thankful that their forefathers were brought here, voluntarily or not. Their alternative today would be to be living in a totalitarian country, starving from famine, or being murdered by their brethren in genocide. Here they have the freedom to bitch about the slavery of their ancestors, and Governmental blessing to persecute modern-day entities that may have been involved in slavery centuries ago. My family and I have been waiting for well over one hundred years for one, just one descendent of slaves to thank us, the descendents of the Union Army and Navy men, who gave their lives so total strangers could live free. How ungrateful, like a spoiled child that cares not for the sacrifices made for them by their parents. So sad, and so typical of human life everywhere. But then, do we thank the Asians that built our railroads, The South Americans who were worked to death in our copper and silver mines, I can't remember the last time I thanked a Russian for selling us Alaska, or a French man or Spanish person for selling us most of the land that is the USA today. The French gave us the Statue of Liberty for goodness sake, at least they know gratitude. Not to mention the wine, great food and the best of all-----That KISS!!! Regards Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050702/c8d66558/attachment-0001.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Jul 2 11:58:54 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Jul 2 11:59:07 2005 Subject: Capatal investment (Was: Re: [Mad-Scientists] On gravity, entropy, In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jul 02, 2005 08:40:20 AM Message-ID: <20050702185854.11161.qmail@mall-net.com> > Well, I > have a difficult time accepting responsibility today for the actions of > business centuries ago! And, quite frankly, I think that the descendants of > those slaves should be thankful that their forefathers were brought here, > voluntarily or not. Their alternative today would be to be living in a > totalitarian country, starving from famine, or being murdered by their > brethren in genocide. Here they have the freedom to bitch about the slavery > of their ancestors, and Governmental blessing to persecute modern-day > entities that may have been involved in slavery centuries ago. You know, some actually do say that. In print yet! I read one of those thanks in The Reader's Digest. And on occasion, such as Father's day, I thank my father for his picking America rather than some other nation to flee to at the close of WW-II. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jul 2 14:20:13 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Jul 2 14:20:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND. In-Reply-To: <20050701210043.46007.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050702212014.88555.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT A DALEK VOICE IS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN? ALL I KNOW IS: CRUDE ELECTROMECHANICAL MAN'S VOICES AND CRUDE ELECTROMECHANICAL FEMALE'S VOICES. CLYDE javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > A dalek voice would be fun. All that's needed is more ROM for the numbers. Use flash, and you can add your own or a friend's voice reading numbers. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050702/36384baf/attachment.html From justinhart at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 17:26:59 2005 From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart) Date: Sat Jul 2 17:27:06 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND. In-Reply-To: <20050702212014.88555.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050701210043.46007.qmail@mall-net.com> <20050702212014.88555.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It was a voice from the TV series Dr Who, that I never actually watched. They keep posting about the new Dr. Who series on /. People keep commenting on the enemies, which are called Daleks. I think that most of the posters on that site (I know I am) are too young to remember the original series. Justin On 7/2/05, clyde lofton wrote: > > > I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT A DALEK > VOICE IS. > CAN YOU EXPLAIN? > ALL I KNOW IS: CRUDE ELECTROMECHANICAL > MAN'S VOICES AND CRUDE ELECTROMECHANICAL > FEMALE'S VOICES. > > CLYDE > > javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > > > > A dalek voice would be fun. > > All that's needed is more ROM for the numbers. Use flash, and you > can add your own or a friend's voice reading numbers. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > -- Justin W. Hart From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jul 2 17:41:41 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Jul 2 17:41:46 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050703004141.64341.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> OK. I WAS CURIOUS A FEW YEARS AGO ABOUT WHAT DR. WHO IS LIKE. NOW, I DON'T REALLY CARE, CAUSE I'VE GOT MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO. THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY THOUGH. CLYDE Justin Hart wrote: It was a voice from the TV series Dr Who, that I never actually watched. They keep posting about the new Dr. Who series on /. People keep commenting on the enemies, which are called Daleks. I think that most of the posters on that site (I know I am) are too young to remember the original series. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Take the tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050702/406bc535/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jul 2 17:54:11 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Jul 2 17:54:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TULSA OKLAHOMA. Message-ID: <20050703005411.70478.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> TULSA OKLAHOMA: FOREVER HALF ASSED, FOREVER GO NOWHERE FAST, WHERE PROGRESS NEVER EVER LASTS, INDUSTRIAL SLUM WASTELAND SHITTY OF TULSA, AND SHIT OF OKLAHOMA. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050702/576c44a6/attachment.html From justinhart at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 02:06:39 2005 From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart) Date: Sun Jul 3 02:06:44 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TULSA IS STUPID. In-Reply-To: <20050703004442.20971.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050703004442.20971.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I so enjoy clyde's posts :-D Justin On 7/2/05, clyde lofton wrote: > > > TULSA IS STUPID. > > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > -- Justin W. Hart From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jul 3 02:50:21 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Jul 3 02:50:25 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TULSA OKLAHOMA. In-Reply-To: <20050703005411.70478.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 02, 2005 05:54:11 PM Message-ID: <20050703095021.57301.qmail@mall-net.com> > FOREVER HALF ASSED, > FOREVER GO NOWHERE FAST, > WHERE PROGRESS NEVER EVER > LASTS, > INDUSTRIAL SLUM WASTELAND > SHITTY OF TULSA, AND SHIT OF > OKLAHOMA. So try elsewhere. Why keep this dead Albatros around your neck? Make room for someone who will appreciate it more than you do. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jul 3 03:11:05 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Jul 3 03:11:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TULSA OKLAHOMA. In-Reply-To: <20050703095021.57301.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Jul 03, 2005 09:50:21 AM Message-ID: <20050703101105.71974.qmail@mall-net.com> > > > FOREVER HALF ASSED, > > FOREVER GO NOWHERE FAST, > > WHERE PROGRESS NEVER EVER > > LASTS, > > INDUSTRIAL SLUM WASTELAND > > SHITTY OF TULSA, AND SHIT OF > > OKLAHOMA. > > So try elsewhere. Why keep this dead Albatros around your neck? > > Make room for someone who will appreciate it more than you do. Or... recognize that the dead albetros is really your attitude. Now there's something you CAN change, and can re-make the city of Tulsa in your mind. It is up to you to find the battles you CAN win, and avoid the ones you can only lose. (And it's up to me to get enough sleep...zzzzzz before I fall asleep with my head on teh keyboarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jul 4 00:59:57 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Jul 4 01:00:21 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Incineration Experiments In-Reply-To: from "Justin Hart" at Jul 03, 2005 05:06:39 AM Message-ID: <20050704075957.13608.qmail@mall-net.com> Now for something different.... Last fall, I decided I wanted to investigate building an incinerator for disposing of "camp waste". This is something a bit pesky to dispose of for most of the mountain folks. (I bag it and truck it out in buckets to the land fill. Some try to use it for compost, which is generally not such a good idea. Either way, it, ah, has some odor.) I read about the Incinolet and the Destroylet, both of which use incinerator type technology to reduce this problem to a small amount of ash. The price of these items is over $2,000. One uses propane, the other uses electricity (which we don't have in abundance here. This got me thinking... For an experiment, I set up a fair sized propane burner, and thought a less smelly approximation to cam waste would be a wet can of beans. Photos and conclusion are at http;//www.mall-net.com/incin/ If nothing else, here's a bit of pyrotechnics to look at on the Fourth. If anyone has any suggestions, I would be most interested in hearing from you. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From Vesta111 at aol.com Mon Jul 4 05:57:22 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 4 05:57:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Incineration Experiments Message-ID: <1c5.2b3119de.2ffa8c32@aol.com> Get your self a couple of big plastic garbage cans. Drill lots of very small holes in the bottom and sides, up to about 6 inches from the top. Tie window screening around the outside, or inside, your choice-just make sure the holes are covered with the screen. Find a shady spot. Dig a couple holes about 18 inches deep. Place cans in holes. Pour about 5 lbs of sand, (you can buy it at hardware store for use in kids sand boxes, ) into each can. For one week put kitchen scraps, paper, torn well and damp, anything that was living at one time. NO MEAT OR FAT OF ANY KIND. Did up some night crawlers, big old fishing worms. Dump 6 or so in each can, Place tops on cans. Expect amazing things to happen. Every day you can even add, cardboard from food packaging, paper towels. You name it Do a search for worm farms and you will find some down right fantastic stuff you can play around with. You will find that some cities are now using worms to degrade their garbage, the by product of all this is soil so rich you can grow anything in it. Also, if you collect the liquid waste from the worms it is called liquid gold because of its richness. This is a multimillion dollar business that will benefit us and the renewed land . Regards Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050704/d18e4853/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Mon Jul 4 10:16:41 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 4 10:16:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Incineration Experiments Message-ID: <195.4265202d.2ffac8f9@aol.com> Attention, please ignore the directions I gave in last post for building a worm farm. I took my own advise, went on the WEB in search for Worm Farms. Wow, have things changed since I was a kid and the neighbors with farms had barrels of worms in their barns or behind the barn. This raising worms to take care of refuse has become a science in it's self. I found a web site with a board for people who raise worms to exchange ideas- for household uses, not for business farming. Wow Nellie, I learned more about worms in 2 hours then I really wanted to know. For some weird reason I feel the urge to run out into my yard and search for some worms, build them an inside home and begin to recycle my kitchen waste. If all I have to throw away is glass and plastic, think of how my trash pickup bills will shrink. Did you know, or care, that there are over 300 species of worms. Fancy that . Darwin at one time made a comment about worms saying something like " Worms are stronger then elephants in the world of ecology. ( not too sure what he meant about that because elephants if they all disappeared tomorrow would not cause complete havoc in the world.) But then if all worms disappeared, it just might cause great problems for us. I should never try to second guess the worlds geniuses. So, now your question about incineration has me going off on a toot. My family are going to curse you because when I go on a learning spree, I get so involved, I seldom come up for air. Last thing my gang needs are tubs of worms located in different parts of the house. OH WELL, they will just have to all move out and leave me to my mad experiments. Sure am going to miss supporting the dudes and dudeses, I will have a hard time getting use to easy listening music after years of heavy base and weird lyrics. These 4 kids range in age from 21 to 26----perhaps they will get jobs now ? Why is it that once a kid is educated , in today's world, they refuse to get a job and blame their parents for their choice in low paying jobs ? Who would think a lawyer could complain about income????? regards Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050704/fc40fb52/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jul 4 12:10:49 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Jul 4 12:10:53 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Incineration Experiments In-Reply-To: <1c5.2b3119de.2ffa8c32@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jul 04, 2005 08:57:22 AM Message-ID: <20050704191049.61118.qmail@mall-net.com> > Get your self a couple of big plastic garbage cans. Drill lots of very > small holes in the bottom and sides, up to about 6 inches from the top. Tie > window screening around the outside, or inside, your choice-just make sure the > holes are covered with the screen. That's not the kind of waste I'd care to do that with... This is, um, human waste. Blackwater, without the water. It will stink to high heaven! Some of our neighbors do this. It, um, isn't nice. > Do a search for worm farms and you will find some down right > fantastic stuff you can play around with. You will find that some cities are > now using worms to degrade their garbage, the by product of all this is soil so > rich you can grow anything in it. Also, if you collect the liquid waste from > the worms it is called liquid gold because of its richness. There is a general dis-recommendation of using human waste to grow food on. It doesn't just recycle waste, it also recycles disease. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jul 4 12:19:40 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Jul 4 12:19:44 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Incineration Experiments In-Reply-To: <195.4265202d.2ffac8f9@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jul 04, 2005 01:16:41 PM Message-ID: <20050704191940.65816.qmail@mall-net.com> > Attention, please ignore the directions I gave in last post for building a > worm farm. I mean, it might be fun to build a worm farm; but not with that waste. I can just imagine John's Attack Trained Worms. Need instant aeration? We can do it. A huge trailer pulls up, the back door opens, and I say "Ok guys, go get them! And remember, I want every one of you guys back in this truck by sundown! > lyrics. These 4 kids range in age from 21 to 26----perhaps they will get jobs > now ? Why is it that once a kid is educated , in today's world, they refuse > to get a job and blame their parents for their choice in low paying jobs ? A job is the worst kind of thing you can do for a living. Make products. Sell advice. Entertain. Do demolitions. Built monuments. Any one of them will get you money. Do one for cash, the other to stay sane. Then alternate. > Who would think a lawyer could complain about income????? Every lawyer looks to optimize income. They are almost as bad as doctors! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From justinhart at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 13:03:41 2005 From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:03:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Incineration Experiments In-Reply-To: <20050704191940.65816.qmail@mall-net.com> References: <195.4265202d.2ffac8f9@aol.com> <20050704191940.65816.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: Honestly, I thought the pyrotechnics were entertaining. Justin On 7/4/05, javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > Attention, please ignore the directions I gave in last post for building a > > worm farm. > > I mean, it might be fun to build a worm farm; but not with that > waste. > > I can just imagine John's Attack Trained Worms. Need instant > aeration? We can do it. > > A huge trailer pulls up, the back door opens, and I say "Ok guys, > go get them! And remember, I want every one of you guys back in this > truck by sundown! > > > lyrics. These 4 kids range in age from 21 to 26----perhaps they will get jobs > > now ? Why is it that once a kid is educated , in today's world, they refuse > > to get a job and blame their parents for their choice in low paying jobs ? > > A job is the worst kind of thing you can do for a living. Make > products. Sell advice. Entertain. Do demolitions. Built monuments. > > Any one of them will get you money. Do one for cash, the other to > stay sane. Then alternate. > > > Who would think a lawyer could complain about income????? > > Every lawyer looks to optimize income. They are almost as bad as > doctors! > > -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) > CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. > Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. > My opinions are subject to the availability of information. > I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. > > For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices > orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. > Today's Art Photo > Chem / Fungus allergies > Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. > Arthritis > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. > Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > -- Justin W. Hart From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jul 4 14:15:15 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Jul 4 14:15:17 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Incineration Experiments In-Reply-To: from "Justin Hart" at Jul 04, 2005 04:03:41 PM Message-ID: <20050704211515.79943.qmail@mall-net.com> > > Honestly, I thought the pyrotechnics were entertaining. It was a fun simple experiment, and I got to eat some well baked beans at the end... Unfortunately! -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jul 4 14:27:28 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Jul 4 14:27:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Age of Innovation past? In-Reply-To: <20050704191940.65816.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Jul 04, 2005 07:19:40 PM Message-ID: <20050704212729.93706.qmail@mall-net.com> Is the age of innovation past? We are producing fewer pattents per person than at the end of the 1800's and beginning of the 1900's. Have all the major technologies been invented, and we are just filling in the branches with leaves? Several oppinions: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7616 -J- Javilk@Mall-Net.com --------- Windows bound views, but ---------- -- A command line prompts the imagination! -- -- ...and X-Windows lets you have several. -- From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Jul 5 11:50:13 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Fw: Sorry, I can't break it either! In-Reply-To: <005101c5817e$9159c8d0$c7aa0e44@youru3ef4ouuir> Message-ID: <20050705185013.15815.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> I support our troops, but I do not support the New World Disorder. Regardless, this is a damn good prayer wheel; Keep it going. Clyde Tony Ward wrote: v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}.shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}st1\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui)}@font-face { font-family: Tahoma;}@font-face { font-family: Verdana;}@font-face { font-family: Papyrus;}@font-face { font-family: Lucida Bright;}@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; }v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}st1\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui)}v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}P.MsoEnvelopeAddr ess { FONT-SIZE: 14pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 2in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoEnvelopeAddress { FONT-SIZE: 14pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 2in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoEnvelopeAddress { FONT-SIZE: 14pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 2in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}P.MsoEnvelopeReturn { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoEnvelopeReturn { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoEnvelopeReturn { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}P.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0 in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto}SPAN.EmailStyle21 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal}SPAN.EmailStyle22 { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: green; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Papyrus; TEXT-DECORATION: none; mso-style-type: personal}SPAN.EmailStyle24 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply}DIV.Section1 { page: Section1} ----- Original Message ----- From: Lea Anne Ward To: Tony Ward (E-mail) ; Valli Fariss-Hitch (E-mail) ; Cyndi Miller (E-mail) ; Susan Lowen (E-mail) ; Nova Jackson (E-mail) ; Lisa Hendricks (E-mail) ; Rhonda Brese (E-mail) ; Barbara Frazier (E-mail) ; Lois Daniels (E-mail) ; Susan Reber (E-mail) Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: FW: Sorry, I can't break it either! -----Original Message----- From: Emma Logsdon [mailto:ellgsdn@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 8:48 AM To: Patti Browne; Alta Joyce Sisson; Amos Ray Bullington; Lonnie Gillespie; Cheryl Parker; Verna Lee Parker; Jessie Asher Stewart; Nathan A Hudson; Joshua A Hudson; Shelly Hudson; Bill McNeely; C.E. & Jeanine Neubecker; Kay Ann Hoddy; Barbara Jean Bullington; Kay Hammett; Kathryn Stephens Subject: Fw: Sorry, I can't break it either! Subject: Fw: Sorry, I can't break it either! He's a recent High School graduate; he was probably an average student, pursued some form of sport activities, drives a ten year old jalopy, and has a steady girlfriend that either broke up with him when he left, or swears to be waiting when he returns from half a world away. He listens to rock and roll or hip-hop or rap or jazz or swing and 155mm howizzitor. He is 10 or 15 pounds lighter now than when he was at home because he is working or fighting from before dawn to well after dusk. He has trouble spelling, thus letter writing is a pain for him, but he can field strip a rifle in 30 seconds and reassemble it in less time in the dark. He can recite to you the nomenclature of a machine gun or grenade launcher and use either one effectively if he must. He digs foxholes and latrines and can apply first aid like a professional. He can march until he is told to stop or stop until he is told to march. He obeys orders instantly and without hesitation, but he is not without spirit or individual dignity. He is self-sufficient. He has two sets of fatigues: he washes one and wears the other. He keeps his canteens full and his feet dry. He sometimes forgets to brush his teeth, but never to clean his rifle. He can cook his own meals, mend his own clothes, and fix his own hurts. If you're thirsty, he'll share his water with you; if you are hungry, his food. He'll even split his ammunition with you in the midst of battle when you run low. He has learned to use his hands like weapons and weapons like they were his hands. He can save your life - or take it, because that is his job. He will often do twice the work of a civilian, draw half the pay and still find ironic humor in it all. He has seen more suffering and death then he should have in his short lifetime. He has stood atop mountains of dead bodies, and helped to create them. He has wept in public and in private, for friends who have fallen in combat and is unashamed. He feels every note of the National Anthem vibrate through his body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away' those around him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking. In an odd twist, day in and day out, far from home, he defends their right to be disrespectful. Just as did his Father, Grandfather, and Great-grandfather, he is paying the price for our freedom. Beardless or not, he is not a boy. He is the American Fighting Man that has kept this country free for over 200 years. He has asked nothing in return, except our friendship and understanding. Remember him, always, for he has earned our respect and admiration with his blood. And we have women over there in danger, doing their part in this tradition of going to War when our nation calls us to do so. As you go to bed tonight, remember this shot.. A short lull, a little shade and a picture of loved ones in their helmets....... Prayer wheel for our military... please don't break it. Please send this on after a short prayer. Prayer Wheel "Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need. Amen." Prayer : When you receive this, please stop for a moment and say a prayer for our ground troops in Afghanistan, sailors on ships, and airmen in the air, and for those in Iraq. There is nothing attached.... This can be very powerful....... Of all the gifts you could give a US Soldier, Sailor, Coastguardsman, Marine or Airman, prayer is the very best one. I can't break this one guys..sorry This is for soldiers fighting in Iraq. Pass it on to everyone and pray. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050705/f6835e57/attachment-0001.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Tue Jul 5 14:07:33 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:07:58 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Incineration Experiments Message-ID: <20d.43b14f6.2ffc5095@aol.com> In a message dated 7/4/2005 4:04:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, justinhart@gmail.com writes: I mean, it might be fun to build a worm farm; but not with that > waste. ALBANY, N.H. --A 45-year-old man was arrested after a teenage girl found him staring at her from below an outhouse seat, police said. Police said they pulled Gary Moody, from Gardiner, Maine, from the waste tank under a log cabin outhouse on Monday. "We had to decontaminate him," said Capt. Jon Hebert of the Carroll County Sheriff's Department, adding that firefighters hosed the man down before police handcuffed him. "We treated him as if he were hazardous material," Hebert said. Moody was charged with criminal trespass. Hebert said he could face more charges. Moody was freed on bail for a July 19 appearance in Northern Carroll County District Court in North Conway. ? Copyright 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. ------------ Hi Justin, hope you have a sense of humor. Can we all play a game? I would enjoy having everyone reading this to send one or more sentences of what you think this Mr. Moody told his wife Mrs. Moody when she picked him up at the police station. Come on, let's all get creative. To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050705/5f42d24b/attachment.html From justinhart at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 15:35:27 2005 From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:35:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Incineration Experiments In-Reply-To: <20d.43b14f6.2ffc5095@aol.com> References: <20d.43b14f6.2ffc5095@aol.com> Message-ID: Certainly, though, I have a big presentation tomorrow, so, someone else might need to take first crack so I can finish my presentation. Justin On 7/5/05, Vesta111@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/4/2005 4:04:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > justinhart@gmail.com writes: > I mean, it might be fun to build a worm farm; but not with that > > waste. > > > > > > ALBANY, N.H. --A 45-year-old man was arrested after a teenage girl found him > staring at her from below an outhouse seat, police said. Police said they > pulled Gary Moody, from Gardiner, Maine, from the waste tank under a log > cabin outhouse on Monday. > > "We had to decontaminate him," said Capt. Jon Hebert of the Carroll County > Sheriff's Department, adding that firefighters hosed the man down before > police handcuffed him. "We treated him as if he were hazardous material," > Hebert said. > > Moody was charged with criminal trespass. Hebert said he could face more > charges. > > Moody was freed on bail for a July 19 appearance in Northern Carroll County > District Court in North Conway. > > (c) Copyright 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may > not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. ------------ > Hi Justin, hope you have a sense of humor. > > Can we all play a game? I would enjoy having everyone reading this to send > one or more sentences of what you think this Mr. Moody told his wife Mrs. > Moody when she picked him up at the police station. Come on, let's all > get creative. > > To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > -- Justin W. Hart From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Jul 6 19:01:22 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Jul 6 19:01:28 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] John DeLorean's passing. Message-ID: <20050707020122.76358.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Hey everyone; My mother informed me around two weeks ago, of John DeLorean's death. I've wanted to own a DeLorean DMC-12 for many years now, but that dream has died. Maybe it's just as well, but I don't think so. I still want to own a DMC-12 someday. I just wish that Mr. DeLorean could have made the car even better than what it was. The car had so much potential. All of the neverending goddamned politics get in the way, all of the fucking time. It's no wonder why I'm always caught up in political bullshit all of the time; because politics endlessly screws, and endlessly screws up, science, and science and technical experimentation and innovation. Anyway, here is a link to share with you all, to one of the websites regarding Mr. DeLorean's passing away. http://www.blogofdeath.com/archives/001359.html Clyde __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050706/d744bf06/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jul 6 19:29:06 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Jul 6 19:29:23 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] John DeLorean's passing. In-Reply-To: <20050707020122.76358.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 06, 2005 07:01:22 PM Message-ID: <20050707022906.96994.qmail@mall-net.com> > My mother informed me around two weeks > ago, of John DeLorean's death. > I've wanted to own a DeLorean DMC-12 > for many years now, but that dream has > died. Stainless steel, a misnomer for the acids in the oils of our hands. > Maybe it's just as well, but I don't think > so. > I still want to own a DMC-12 someday. > I just wish that Mr. DeLorean could > have made the car even better than what > it was. > The car had so much potential. Not enough potential... not enough. The market wasn't there for it. He couldn't make a go of it. > All of the neverending goddamned politics > get in the way, all of the fucking time. > It's no wonder why I'm always caught up > in political bullshit all of the time; because > politics endlessly screws, and endlessly > screws up, science, and science and > technical experimentation and innovation. I think it's the economics, mostly. Running a business isn't easy. You have to balance technical excellence against economic reality. Then again, maybe he paved the way for the stainless steel refrigerators. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jul 7 08:43:56 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (Clyde Lofton) Date: Thu Jul 7 08:44:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Sign up With the Union of Concerned Scientists Message-ID: <20050707154356.3243.1467.qmail@web9.getactive.com> The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) is a nonprofit partnership of scientists and citizens combining rigorous scientific analysis, innovative policy development and effective citizen advocacy to achieve practical 'environmental' solutions. To check out the Union of Concerned Scientists, go to http://www.ucsusa.org >From their website, you can sign up for the UCS action network which provides a way for you to send e-mails and faxes to your elected officials on the most pressing ecological and atmospheric issues of the day. You can also sign up for the newsletter: Greentips, which offers a range of suggestions for readers to help to reduce the negative ecological and atmospheric toxin impacts in their everyday activities. Or there's the newsletter FEED--Food and Environment Electronic Digest-- a collection of timely, informative news snippets written for consumers and others with a particular interest in food safety and agricultural issues. Finally, you can sign up for various science networks like Energynet--an electronic network aimed at advancing clean energy solutions. Follow this link to sign up: http://ucsaction.org/ucsaction/join.html?rk=q1LGfm1qOTnp *************************************** Powered by GetActive Software, Inc. Member Relationship Management Solutions That Recruit, Engage, and Retain (tm) http://www.getactive.com *************************************** From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Jul 7 09:25:41 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Jul 7 09:25:44 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Sign up With the Union of Concerned Scientists In-Reply-To: <20050707154356.3243.1467.qmail@web9.getactive.com> from "Clyde Lofton" at Jul 07, 2005 03:43:56 PM Message-ID: <20050707162541.26533.qmail@mall-net.com> > The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) is a nonprofit > partnership of scientists and citizens combining rigorous > scientific analysis, innovative policy development and effective > citizen advocacy to achieve practical 'environmental' solutions. BULL! They are a group of loosly scientific people with political axes to grind, and a heavy liberal agenda which typically does not take into consideration how the real world works. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Thu Jul 7 11:28:47 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (mbest@triad.rr.com) Date: Thu Jul 7 13:40:52 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Sign up With the Union of Concerned Scientists References: <20050707190002.900EA39839@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <018a01c58321$b702ca60$6401a8c0@dencomputer> > Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:25:41 +0000 (GMT) > From: javilk@mall-net.com > > The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) is a nonprofit > > partnership of scientists and citizens combining rigorous > > scientific analysis, innovative policy development and effective > > citizen advocacy to achieve practical 'environmental' solutions. > BULL! > > They are a group of loosly scientific people with political axes to > grind, and a heavy liberal agenda which typically does not take into > consideration how the real world works. I must agree with John here. I, as a scientist, subscribed to their letters and emails years ago. I have never supported them financially, as I quickly learned that they were but another liberal political activist group, attempting to effect societal change by publishing biased information. I search for Truth, and find some value in reading their material- but NOT by accepting it at face value. Those that do are sheep, being herded to the slaughterhouse by those who would use them for political and monetary gain, IMHO. -MB From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 8 14:44:51 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 8 14:45:07 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Sign up With the Union of Concerned Scientists In-Reply-To: <018a01c58321$b702ca60$6401a8c0@dencomputer> Message-ID: <20050708214451.67801.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> mbest@triad.rr.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:25:41 +0000 (GMT) > From: javilk@mall-net.com > > The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) is a nonprofit > > partnership of scientists and citizens combining rigorous > > scientific analysis, innovative policy development and effective > > citizen advocacy to achieve practical 'environmental' solutions. > BULL! > > They are a group of loosly scientific people with political axes to > grind, and a heavy liberal agenda which typically does not take into > consideration how the real world works. I must agree with John here. I, as a scientist, subscribed to their letters and emails years ago. I have never supported them financially, as I quickly learned that they were but another liberal political activist group, attempting to effect societal change by publishing biased information. I search for Truth, and find some value in reading their material- but NOT by accepting it at face value. YEAH,,, I LOOKED AT THE POLITICAL MATERIALS THAT THEY SENT TO ME IN THE MAIL LAST MONTH AND CONTEMPLATED SUPPORTING THEM, BUT I JUST CANNOT AFFORD IT, AND MOST OF THE INFORMATION THAT THEY WOULD SEND TO ME WOULD BE WORTHLESS ANYWAY. THEY DO HAVE GOOD CAUSE THOUGH IN CERTAIN RESPECTS, AND I WON'T CRITICIZE THEM JUST TO CRITICIZE THEM, I JUST CANNOT AFFORD TO WASTE MONEY ON ALL OF THE WORTHLESS WORDS THAT FILL IN THE EMPTY SPACES. Those that do are sheep, being herded to the slaughterhouse by those who would use them for political and monetary gain, IMHO. -MB GOTTA GO FOR NOW. CLYDE --------------------------------- Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050708/40733472/attachment.html From justinhart at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 15:16:30 2005 From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart) Date: Fri Jul 8 15:16:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Incineration Experiments In-Reply-To: References: <20d.43b14f6.2ffc5095@aol.com> Message-ID: On a lighter note. He starts: "Hey, honey. I seem to be in a real stinker of a situation." I guess I'll pass this one on to javlik, since I originally thought of mentioning a methane explosion. Justin On 7/5/05, Justin Hart wrote: > Certainly, though, I have a big presentation tomorrow, so, someone > else might need to take first crack so I can finish my presentation. > > Justin > > On 7/5/05, Vesta111@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/4/2005 4:04:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > justinhart@gmail.com writes: > > I mean, it might be fun to build a worm farm; but not with that > > > waste. > > > > > > > > > > > > ALBANY, N.H. --A 45-year-old man was arrested after a teenage girl found him > > staring at her from below an outhouse seat, police said. Police said they > > pulled Gary Moody, from Gardiner, Maine, from the waste tank under a log > > cabin outhouse on Monday. > > > > "We had to decontaminate him," said Capt. Jon Hebert of the Carroll County > > Sheriff's Department, adding that firefighters hosed the man down before > > police handcuffed him. "We treated him as if he were hazardous material," > > Hebert said. > > > > Moody was charged with criminal trespass. Hebert said he could face more > > charges. > > > > Moody was freed on bail for a July 19 appearance in Northern Carroll County > > District Court in North Conway. > > > > (c) Copyright 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may > > not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. ------------ > > Hi Justin, hope you have a sense of humor. > > > > Can we all play a game? I would enjoy having everyone reading this to send > > one or more sentences of what you think this Mr. Moody told his wife Mrs. > > Moody when she picked him up at the police station. Come on, let's all > > get creative. > > > > To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mad-Scientists mailing list > > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > > > > > > > -- > Justin W. Hart > -- Justin W. Hart From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 8 18:06:32 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:06:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Sign up With the Union of Concerned Scientists In-Reply-To: <20050708214451.67801.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 08, 2005 02:44:51 PM Message-ID: <20050709010632.7868.qmail@mall-net.com> > I must agree with John here. I, as a scientist, subscribed to their letters > and emails years ago. I have never supported them financially, as I quickly > learned that they were but another liberal political activist group, > attempting to effect societal change by publishing biased information. > > I search for Truth, and find some value in reading their material- but NOT > by accepting it at face value. > THEY DO HAVE GOOD CAUSE THOUGH IN CERTAIN RESPECTS, AND I > WON'T CRITICIZE THEM JUST TO CRITICIZE THEM, I JUST CANNOT AFFORD > TO WASTE MONEY ON ALL OF THE WORTHLESS WORDS THAT FILL IN > THE EMPTY SPACES. Nuclear power is the way to go. We're just not doing it right yet. As for peace, sometimes the best peace you get, is by shooting the other guy. Baring that, the cautious peace of letting him know you have a gun and are willing to use it. Germany attacked the weaker nations around it. What the Germans failed to consider, is that once we got our act together, we would stand up and hold the cause of Freedom sacred; with that sense of will behind us, we could manufacture the factories to guns, ships, and aircraft faster than they could. And that's how, and why we won. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Jul 10 07:22:02 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (mbest@triad.rr.com) Date: Sun Jul 10 07:39:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Almost as much fun as Bob Dobbs! Message-ID: <016401c5855a$be457120$6701a8c0@dencomputer> As a Slackmaster in the Church of the Subgenius, I recommend this site for your enjoyment: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/ -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jul 10 20:39:28 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Jul 10 20:39:54 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Almost as much fun as Bob Dobbs! In-Reply-To: <016401c5855a$be457120$6701a8c0@dencomputer> from "mbest@triad.rr.com" at Jul 10, 2005 10:22:02 AM Message-ID: <20050711033928.71489.qmail@mall-net.com> > > As a Slackmaster in the Church of the Subgenius, I recommend this site for > your enjoyment: > > http://www.landoverbaptist.org/ Groan... Does God's Mother know what he has planned for his pets? -JVV- From justinhart at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 22:00:17 2005 From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart) Date: Sun Jul 10 22:00:24 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Almost as much fun as Bob Dobbs! In-Reply-To: <20050711033928.71489.qmail@mall-net.com> References: <016401c5855a$be457120$6701a8c0@dencomputer> <20050711033928.71489.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: Yes, this site is pretty funny. I stumbled upon it about a month ago. Some stuff is funnier than others though, so, I think the content is hot or miss. Justin On 7/10/05, javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > > > As a Slackmaster in the Church of the Subgenius, I recommend this site for > > your enjoyment: > > > > http://www.landoverbaptist.org/ > > Groan... > > Does God's Mother know what he has planned for his pets? > > -JVV- > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > -- Justin W. Hart From Vesta111 at aol.com Mon Jul 11 14:19:31 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 11 14:19:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Almost as much fun as Bob Dobbs! Message-ID: <8e.2b14c735.30043c63@aol.com> I found this site a year or two ago. Why am I surprised that most of the people I sent to the site thought it was FOR REAL ?? It was only my own kids that had the sense to know what it really was, but, perhaps it was because they are suspicious of anything they get from me. Regards Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050711/0a66168c/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Jul 11 14:53:00 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (mbest@triad.rr.com) Date: Mon Jul 11 14:56:29 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] C&E News links, 7/11/05 Message-ID: <016601c58662$e8379180$6701a8c0@dencomputer> Plans Pulled EPA proposal would shield firms' upset plans from public scrutiny Facilities would no longer have to follow their written plans when they try to minimize emissions of hazardous air pollutants during operational upsets, under an EPA proposal announced on June 30. The proposed change, hailed by the chemical industry, would also make it harder for the public to obtain copies of these plans. The Clean Air Act requires companies to have written plans for curtailing toxic emissions during a start-up, shutdown, or malfunction (SSM). (Remember- "I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help you.") http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i28/8328notw3.html EU Bans Three Phthalates From Toys, Restricts Three More http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i28/8328notw5.html Celestial Blast Impact on comet makes crater 'bigger than a house' http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i28/8328notw6.html Can silicon-based life be possible? Aromatic Silicon Ring Debuts Anticipated silicon analog of the cyclopropenylium cation prepared http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i28/8328notw7.html Army Halts VX Destruction Waste by-product of Indiana nerve agent neutralization is flammable http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i28/8328notw8.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Jul 12 23:15:13 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (mbest@triad.rr.com) Date: Tue Jul 12 23:15:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] While Rome burns... Message-ID: <00dc01c58772$3b76f380$6401a8c0@dencomputer> ...Nero plays the fiddle. WHEN will we ever embrace Dr. King's Dream??? WHY do so many people today continue to hold a grudge for injustices done to their forefathers? GET OVER IT! No one today can change the past, all we can do is work today on a better tomorrow. And as long as racial devisiveness continues, the Dream remains but a dream. I am not proud of what we did to the Japanese-Americans during WW2, but what is done, is done. But I am proud to say that I judge my friends by content of character, not color of skin. Now if the Chinese could do this, we would be one step closer to a better world. -MB --------------------- >From _The Japan Times_, July 13, 2005 No war apology, no food, China cafe tells Japanese BEIJING (Kyodo) A Western-style restaurant in the northeastern Chinese city of Jilin has hung a sign requiring Japanese customers to apologize for what China sees as Japan's wartime crimes, a local newspaper reported. The City Evening News of Jilin reported Saturday the eatery posted a sign saying, "Japanese people are barred from entry." If Japanese customers come, the newspaper said, staff will ask them to take a "correct" view of wartime history and apologize for the 1931-1945 occupation of Chinese territory Full article: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20050713a3.htm From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jul 13 00:17:55 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Jul 13 00:18:12 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Sino... problems Message-ID: <20050713071755.50071.qmail@mall-net.com> Somewhat relevant to the China issues... > >If you fear "The Japan That Can Say No" to Western markets, China is big > >enough that once it's technology starts growing, it won't even care > >about other markets!) > > And the EU is 50% larger than the US as well. > > What do you read as the writing on the wall? You asked for it, Peter. It's going to be a lot harder for us MCS folks, as China does not care for us. Already, Chinese smog reaches out shores. The language spoken on the moon will be Chinese. Alas, that will be the downfall, for the moon is the top of a very dangerous gravity well. As we have seen with the comet, and craters in Arizona and elsewhere, bombs from the moon need no explosive; just raw energy from the gravity well. We jump started their economy by buying cheap goods. We paid for them to become industrialized; more, to realize that industrialization pays off in the long run. We paid them to build launch some rockets, and learn the technology. We sold them or let them acquire missile guidance technologies. We taught them to make computers. We moved our technology to China. History will record this as the greatest stupidity, or perhaps insanity that ever was; far greater than that of feeding Japan our technology before WW-II. England's loss of shipbuilding technology to America can be excused as a major defection of one man. It was the death penalty in England to give out industrial processes related to shipbuilding. Yet one man intentionally set out to learn it all, and once done, he snuck out of England to America. And with his knowledge, we Americans started building ships and competing in world trade, building ourselves into a world power. But we, starting with Nixon, willingly GAVE all this high technology to India, Communist China, and others. We sent plans, requesting things be built for us. And corporate leaders were aghast that much cheaper knock-offs were produced and sold to America and the world, devastating many of those who relied on the Chinese to build exclusively for them. Oh, when we first did that, we wished to provide a counterweight to the USSR. Just as we had to Iran, by feeding technology to some insignificant tinpot named Saddam. Just as we did to some insignificant tinpot named Noriega. And our government did nothing to retain the jobs we lost, first with shoes, then with shirts, and now with high tech. Yet none dare call it treason. You know, one man could half saved at least some of it by saying "I claim this land for the Taxpayers of America, who paid for my trip." But he didn't see his responsibility. Like just about all of us Americans, lacked the guts. His name was Neil Armstrong. All he said was something about a small step and a leap. A military base on the high ground of the moon would have ended the cold war as it revitalized American Industry. Why? Because unlike the 15 minute warning, you can tell days in advance when missiles come from or go to the moon. And that's what's going to happen. The Chinese will build a "slingshot" to throw stones from the moon to earth. Look at what happened to the comet when a few hundred pound chunk of inert copper hit it at 37,000 miles per hour. Think what will happen when ten tons of rock impact the earth. Perhaps the impact will not be as severe as that crater in Arizona. But here will be many of them right in the heart of our cities if we don't surrender. Japan shipped our scrap iron back to us in the form of bombs and bombers. China will user rocks. Unless we show them one hell of a lot more resolve! Unless we show them that WE can say NO to Made in China. Unless we stand up for Democracy in Taiwan and elsewhere. In the late 1700's, We showed the world what democracy can do. I say it's time we showed them again! Don't export technology. Export Democracy! For people don't want to fight people. Totalitarian governments do. We must export democracy as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and all our founders asked us to. it is our only hope! - -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 13:47:07 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Jul 13 13:47:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong style water-air filters. Message-ID: <20050713204708.60394.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone out there know if any people out there use bong's as air filters??? Clyde --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050713/8c9d8212/attachment.html From FMoore at POCO.com Wed Jul 13 14:20:03 2005 From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank) Date: Wed Jul 13 14:20:11 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong style water-air filters. Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C97470108E425@pzisexch.poco.com> Only when I'm getting stoned. ;-') Seriously though... Water is only an effective air filter if you can pass the air though as very small bubbles that have a high surface area/volume ratio.... Giving more of the air contact with the water so it can pull out whatever contaminants may be present. In Labs I use to to work in, we had scrubbers (I guess you could also call them filters) that bubbled exhaust air from sample prep hoods through a solution of Ammonium Hydroxide to neutralize acid fumes. If you are talking about something for the Home... I'm not sure this would be ideal. Excepting potentially toxic gases, Electro-static particulate removal in combination with high efficiency membrane filters is probably the better way to go. Although... Top end units are quite expensive. Frank F. Moore ________________________________ From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of clyde lofton Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:47 PM To: mad-scientists@mad-scientists.org Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong style water-air filters. Anyone out there know if any people out there use bong's as air filters??? Clyde ________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050713/6ff1190d/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jul 13 14:39:26 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Jul 13 14:39:30 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong style water-air filters. In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C97470108E425@pzisexch.poco.com> from "Moore, Frank" at Jul 13, 2005 04:20:03 PM Message-ID: <20050713213926.58371.qmail@mall-net.com> > Water is only an effective air filter if you can pass the air though as > very small bubbles that have a high surface area/volume ratio.... Giving > more of the air contact with the water so it can pull out whatever > contaminants may be present. The old Rainbow vacuum cleaners use to do this. Not very well!! But they use to do this. And if you leave that running for some time, it will indeed lower the dust and pollen counts at the expense of higher humidity. (And with humidity... comes mold.) > In Labs I use to to work in, we had scrubbers (I guess you could also > call them filters) that bubbled exhaust air from sample prep hoods > through a solution of Ammonium Hydroxide to neutralize acid fumes. Yes. Or a spray of stuff down a smokestack to a collection basin at the bottom. > If you are talking about something for the Home... I'm not sure this > would be ideal. Excepting potentially toxic gases, Electro-static > particulate removal in combination with high efficiency membrane filters > is probably the better way to go. Although... Top end units are quite > expensive. And electrostatic precipitators generate ozone, which damages lung tissue even at "EPA Safe" levels. (Literature and experience...) You might be able to find a used Rainbow for $50, or rent one for two days if you can talk someone into it. Clean it out well, then see if it does anything that helps you. You don't want perfection, you just want to see if you are looking in the right direction! This is a first approximation test, something you do as cheaply as possible because you don't even know if it's the right thing to do. If it does help, then you look for a better solution in that arena. If it does not help, then you look at what other arenas there are. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Thu Jul 14 08:12:10 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (mbest@triad.rr.com) Date: Thu Jul 14 08:15:17 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Rome continues to burn... Message-ID: <013801c58886$68456260$6401a8c0@dencomputer> http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13132-1693385,00.html Shanghai Automotive Industries (SAIC) Is working with Ford of Europe on a bailout/takeover of MG-Rover. Financing is being assisted by the Rosthchild bank. This new deal from SAIC follows on the heels of the failure of negotiations for a joint venture between SAIC and MG-Rover. That failed joint venture sent MG-Rover into receivership. It coud be theorized that the Communist Chinese were executing a classic fraud scenario, forcing MG-Rover into receivership in order to buy the company at fire-sale prices. It is not good enough to just give the Communists all our technology and our business, now we must give them ownership of our industries! Welcome to the New World Order. -MB From mbest at triad.rr.com Thu Jul 14 12:51:53 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (mbest@triad.rr.com) Date: Thu Jul 14 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong? Message-ID: <01ac01c588ad$7c08d300$6401a8c0@dencomputer> I always thought that was the sound made by a gong. I am SURE that no one here would be referring to the tubular waterpipe used to smoke illegal drugs! For as long as certain personal activities remain illegal, I suggest that all references to these activities remain off this list. -MB From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 14:05:59 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Jul 14 14:06:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINKS TO SHARE. Message-ID: <20050714210559.10190.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> 1. http://partners.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/20000611mag-lawn.html 2. http://www.organicconsumers.org/patent/slowgrow.cfm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050714/1a15faa1/attachment.html From FMoore at POCO.com Thu Jul 14 14:21:40 2005 From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank) Date: Thu Jul 14 14:21:49 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong? Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C97470108E51E@pzisexch.poco.com> I disagree. Only its actually use is illegal. Discussing it, is not. And references made to illustrate a concept... i.e., air bubbling through water... Certainly are not. If my facetious reply previously offended you, then I apologize. But I have nothing to hide concerning my past or present recreational activities and won't apologize for them. All member of the list are free to say what they want. Any topics or references to be kept off the list, IMO, require a ruling from Igor. Frank F. Moore -----Original Message----- From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of mbest@triad.rr.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:52 PM To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG; javilk@mall-net.com Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong? I always thought that was the sound made by a gong. I am SURE that no one here would be referring to the tubular waterpipe used to smoke illegal drugs! For as long as certain personal activities remain illegal, I suggest that all references to these activities remain off this list. -MB _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Jul 14 14:41:38 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Jul 14 14:41:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WEBLINKS TO SHARE. In-Reply-To: <20050714210559.10190.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 14, 2005 02:05:59 PM Message-ID: <20050714214138.27439.qmail@mall-net.com> > 1. http://partners.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/20000611mag-lawn.html Mioniature grass... interesting > 2. http://www.organicconsumers.org/patent/slowgrow.cfm Roundup resistant gras... not so good. Roundup is a seroton ininhibitor which makes susceptible people depressed candidates for prozac. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 14:52:47 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Jul 14 14:52:54 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong? In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C97470108E51E@pzisexch.poco.com> Message-ID: <20050714215247.41808.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> "Moore, Frank" wrote: I disagree. Only its actually use is illegal. Discussing it, is not. And references made to illustrate a concept... i.e., air bubbling through water... Certainly are not. YEAH, THAT IS THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. I REJECT MARIJUANA. TRIED IT WHEN I WAS YOUNGER; NOW SUFFERING PSYCHOSIS BECAUSE OF IT. I DON'T THINK THAT THE LOTUS IS ILLEGAL, BUT I COULD BE WRONG. ANYONE KNOW IF SMOKING NELUMBO LOTUS MIGHT BE ILLEGAL??? BUT THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT IT UP, IS THAT I WAS WONDERING IF A WATER BONG WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, FOR USE AS A SMALL SCALE WATER BUBBLER AIR FILTRATION DEVICE. THE AIR SO-CALLED QUALITY IN MY RESIDENCE IS SHIT, AND MY ATTEMPT TO INSTALL AN HEPA AIR FILTER AT THE CEILING AIR INTAKE, HAS SO FAR FAILED. SCREWS JUST DON'T STICK INTO CEILING SHEET ROCK, AND SO I AM GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO INSTALL A WOODEN FRAME, TO KEEP THE VENT COVER ATTACHED IN PLACE, AND TO HOLD THE AIR FILTER IN PLACE, ALONG WITH IT. I ALSO PURCHASED A RUSSIAN GAS MASK A WEEK AND A HALF AGO, AT THE LOCAL ARMY SURPLUS, BUT IT IS FAR TOO UNCOMFORTABLE TO WEAR, THE GLASS EYE PIECES FOG UP TOO GODDAMNED MUCH, AND ITS JUST TOO MUCH OF A GODDAMNED HASSLE, NOT TO MENTION THAT IT IS MADE IN RUSSIA, AND I DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT THAT COUNTRY. I'D PURCHASE AN AMERICAN GAS MASK, BUT $125.00 IS SOMETHING THAT I CANNOT AFFORD. GOTTA GO FOR TODAY. LATER, CLYDE If my facetious reply previously offended you, then I apologize. But I have nothing to hide concerning my past or present recreational activities and won't apologize for them. All member of the list are free to say what they want. Any topics or references to be kept off the list, IMO, require a ruling from Igor. Frank F. Moore __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050714/9ffa3191/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Jul 14 16:00:24 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Jul 14 16:00:28 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong? In-Reply-To: <20050714215247.41808.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 14, 2005 02:52:47 PM Message-ID: <20050714230024.79149.qmail@mall-net.com> > "Moore, Frank" wrote: > I disagree. > Only its actually use is illegal. Discussing it, is not. > And references made to illustrate a concept... i.e., air bubbling > through water... Certainly are not. > YEAH, THAT IS THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. > I REJECT MARIJUANA. > > TRIED IT WHEN I WAS YOUNGER; NOW SUFFERING > PSYCHOSIS BECAUSE OF IT. Are you sure your psychosis is from marijuana, or could it be that you took marijuana because you were already falling apart? Are you sure that was the only active ingredient? Sometimes people put other things in the mix. > ANYONE KNOW IF SMOKING NELUMBO LOTUS MIGHT > BE ILLEGAL??? In Austraila and Finland, yes. So far.. as it catches on, other nations will no doubt outlaw it for the harm people can do to themselves when they are not quite sane. But the question is, if you believe your problems were caused by marijuana, why would you want to try lotus??? We know it messes with the function of nerons. Do you want your neurons to be better, or go further out of whack? > BUT THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT IT UP, IS THAT I > WAS WONDERING IF A WATER BONG WOULD BE > SUFFICIENT, FOR USE AS A SMALL SCALE WATER BUBBLER > AIR FILTRATION DEVICE. Not very good as the bubble size is going to be too large. > THE AIR SO-CALLED QUALITY IN MY RESIDENCE IS SHIT, > AND MY ATTEMPT TO INSTALL AN HEPA AIR FILTER AT THE > CEILING AIR INTAKE, HAS SO FAR FAILED. If it is the intake, it's the wrong place to put it. You want it on the air outlet into your room, not back to the furnace. > SCREWS JUST DON'T STICK INTO CEILING SHEET ROCK, AND > SO I AM GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO INSTALL A > WOODEN FRAME, TO KEEP THE VENT COVER ATTACHED IN PLACE, That might help. Usually, if there is a grate, you can take the grate off, put the HEPA between the grate and the duct with some careful folding. > I ALSO PURCHASED A RUSSIAN GAS MASK A WEEK AND A HALF > AGO, AT THE LOCAL ARMY SURPLUS, BUT IT IS FAR TOO UNCOMFORTABLE > TO WEAR, THE GLASS EYE PIECES FOG UP TOO GODDAMNED MUCH, That's a full face mask. I have several made-in-USA full face masks, and yes, there is a problem with fogging on those which don't have a separate mouth-nose pocket. You can get a half mask at Home Depot. The new 3M M7502's are much more comfortable and less stinky than the older ones. I use one with a HEPA filter whenever the fog rolls in through here, or when I get a dead mouse under the floorboards. I sometimes sleep with it on. The advantage of a professional mask like that, is that it has an exhaust valve, so the damp exhaled air is not going to clog the HEPA, nor deposit all kinds of organics which will start feeding mold. > I'D PURCHASE AN AMERICAN GAS MASK, BUT $125.00 IS SOMETHING THAT > I CANNOT AFFORD. I think the 3M M7502 half mask I bought was only $59, including organic cartridges. HEPA cartridges (purple pancakes) are much cheaper and last much longer... but do not help when it comes to organic vapors. Organic vapor cartridges may not last more than a day or two of 24 hour use. But try it and see if it helps. I wore one for about two years (24/7) due to woodsmoke when I was very ill. My body could not handle the toxins, it turns out because I also had Candida Albecans produceing a lot of toxins as well. Stupid me, I didn't move out of there quickly enough, so when I was too tired to move, well... I started using the mask. Eventually, we found a good doctor, and he cleared up the crud growing on my skin and in my blood. Then I didn't need the mask anymore, at least not in normal circumstances. The M7502 has a better silicon face portion, and can be easily disassembled for cleaning, which you should do at least once a day or after each use. We exhale a lot of organic crap which supports mold. A full face mask is only needed when the toxins or allergens will harm the eyes. Half masks are also a lot cheaper and easier to use. Is niacin helping you at all? How much are you taking? Same for C. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Thu Jul 14 21:54:04 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (mbest@triad.rr.com) Date: Thu Jul 14 21:53:58 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Another piece of Congressional crap Message-ID: <000801c588f9$39dac500$6401a8c0@dencomputer> S. 1197 HR 2876 Go to http://thomas.loc.gov to lookup The "Violence Against Women Act of 2005" Nevermind that 50% of family violence is against males, this bill is a sure winner, on greased skids! What Congresscritter would DARE not to support such a bill?!? But don't EVEN try to download the full text, unless you have at LEAST a megabit of bandwidth! It is longer, with more porkfat and bullcrap than even the EU Constitution! The Table of Contents runs twenty pages! After reading it, I see that it totally violates the 14th Amendment. It says NOTHING about violence against men and husbands, but provides gigadollars for radical feminists to use against men. Whereas it provides for Draconian penalties for men, it provides men NO protection against crazy females- which account for half of all family assaults. What political BS! Write you Congresscritters, DEMANDING a full rewrite of this flawed bill! -MB From justinhart at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 23:19:41 2005 From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart) Date: Thu Jul 14 23:19:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Another piece of Congressional crap In-Reply-To: <000801c588f9$39dac500$6401a8c0@dencomputer> References: <000801c588f9$39dac500$6401a8c0@dencomputer> Message-ID: I'm not so sure that that would actually work. Are you? Justin On 7/15/05, mbest@triad.rr.com wrote: > S. 1197 > HR 2876 > > Go to > > http://thomas.loc.gov to lookup > > The "Violence Against Women Act of 2005" > > Nevermind that 50% of family violence is against males, this bill is a sure > winner, on greased skids! What Congresscritter would DARE not to support > such a bill?!? > > But don't EVEN try to download the full text, unless you have at LEAST a > megabit of bandwidth! It is longer, with more porkfat and bullcrap than > even the EU Constitution! The Table of Contents runs twenty pages! > > After reading it, I see that it totally violates the 14th Amendment. It > says NOTHING about violence against men and husbands, but provides > gigadollars for radical feminists to use against men. Whereas it provides > for Draconian penalties for men, it provides men NO protection against crazy > females- which account for half of all family assaults. > > What political BS! Write you Congresscritters, DEMANDING a full rewrite of > this flawed bill! > > -MB > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > -- Justin W. Hart From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 15 07:34:38 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (mbest@triad.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 15 07:37:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Threatening us with nuclear attack... Message-ID: <008701c5894a$5473fd40$6401a8c0@dencomputer> ...yet we STILL buy their crap at Wal-Mart, and give them IBM! Will we EVER learn??? -MB Chinese General Threatens Use of A-Bombs if U.S. Intrudes By JOSEPH KAHN Published: July 15, 2005 BEIJING, Friday, July 15 - China should use nuclear weapons against the United States if the American military intervenes in any conflict over Taiwan, a senior Chinese military official said Thursday. "If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons," the official, Maj. Gen. Zhu Chenghu, said at an official briefing. General Zhu's threat is not the first of its kind from a senior Chinese military official. In 1995, Xiong Guangkai, who is now the deputy chief of the general staff of the People's Liberation Army, told Chas W. Freeman, a former Pentagon official, that China would consider using nuclear weapons in a Taiwan conflict. Mr. Freeman quoted Mr. Xiong as saying that Americans should worry more about Los Angeles than Taipei. Article: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/15/international/asia/15china.html?th&emc=th From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 15 11:25:51 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (mbest@triad.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 15 11:29:35 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Fork the chinks, and the UN! Message-ID: <002201c5896a$a1d114e0$6401a8c0@dencomputer> >From the lamdmark Supreme Court decision, ACLU v. Reno: "The Internet is a novel communications medium, deserving of the fullest measure of First Amendment protection." The USA imagined, created, built, and developed the Internet. Now the Communist and Totaliartian governments wish to steal it for their sinister purposes. Already, China has persuaded Google and Microsoft to censor their search results for Chinese users. Now they want to do the same to us! THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN! -MB Will the U.N. run the Internet? July 11, 2005, 4:00 AM PT By Declan McCullagh An international political spat is brewing over whether the United Nations will seize control of the heart of the Internet. U.N. bureaucrats and telecommunications ministers from many less-developed nations claim the U.S. government has undue influence over how things run online. Now they want to be the ones in charge. While the formal proposal from a U.N. working group will be released July 18, it's already clear what it will contain. A preliminary summary of governmental views claims there's a "convergence of views" supporting a new organization to oversee crucial Internet functions, most likely under the aegis of the United Nations or the International Telecommunications Union. . China: "We feel that the public policy issue of Internet should be solved jointly by the sovereign states in the U.N. framework...For instance, spam, network security and cyberspace--we should look for an appropriate specialized agency of the United Nations as a competent body." Article: http://news.com.com/Will+the+U.N.+run+the+Internet/2010-1071_3-5780157.html From justinhart at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 11:41:44 2005 From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart) Date: Fri Jul 15 11:41:49 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Fork the chinks, and the UN! In-Reply-To: <002201c5896a$a1d114e0$6401a8c0@dencomputer> References: <002201c5896a$a1d114e0$6401a8c0@dencomputer> Message-ID: Sheesh. Do you think that we could perhaps keep racism off of the list? You're afraid to say "fuck," but not to say "chink?" Justin On 7/15/05, mbest@triad.rr.com wrote: > >From the lamdmark Supreme Court decision, ACLU v. Reno: > > "The Internet is a novel communications medium, deserving of the fullest > measure of First Amendment protection." > > The USA imagined, created, built, and developed the Internet. Now the > Communist and Totaliartian governments wish to steal it for their sinister > purposes. Already, China has persuaded Google and Microsoft to censor their > search results for Chinese users. > > Now they want to do the same to us! > > THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN! > > -MB > > > > > Will the U.N. run the Internet? > July 11, 2005, 4:00 AM PT > By Declan McCullagh > > An international political spat is brewing over whether the United Nations > will seize control of the heart of the Internet. > U.N. bureaucrats and telecommunications ministers from many less-developed > nations claim the U.S. government has undue influence over how things run > online. Now they want to be the ones in charge. > > While the formal proposal from a U.N. working group will be released July > 18, it's already clear what it will contain. A preliminary summary of > governmental views claims there's a "convergence of views" supporting a new > organization to oversee crucial Internet functions, most likely under the > aegis of the United Nations or the International Telecommunications Union. > > > > . China: "We feel that the public policy issue of Internet should be solved > jointly by the sovereign states in the U.N. framework...For instance, spam, > network security and cyberspace--we should look for an appropriate > specialized agency of the United Nations as a competent body." > > Article: > http://news.com.com/Will+the+U.N.+run+the+Internet/2010-1071_3-5780157.html > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > -- Justin W. Hart From rubysheffer at earthlink.net Fri Jul 15 11:46:00 2005 From: rubysheffer at earthlink.net (rubysheffer@earthlink.net) Date: Fri Jul 15 11:46:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Fork the chinks, and the UN! Message-ID: <3968552.1121453160972.JavaMail.root@wamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> This hasn't been a science list in awhile. I think it's time for me to unsubscribe. Please remove me from the list. -----Original Message----- From: Justin Hart Sent: Jul 15, 2005 11:41 AM To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Fork the chinks, and the UN! Sheesh. Do you think that we could perhaps keep racism off of the list? You're afraid to say "fuck," but not to say "chink?" Justin On 7/15/05, mbest@triad.rr.com wrote: > >From the lamdmark Supreme Court decision, ACLU v. Reno: > > "The Internet is a novel communications medium, deserving of the fullest > measure of First Amendment protection." > > The USA imagined, created, built, and developed the Internet. Now the > Communist and Totaliartian governments wish to steal it for their sinister > purposes. Already, China has persuaded Google and Microsoft to censor their > search results for Chinese users. > > Now they want to do the same to us! > > THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN! > > -MB > > > > > Will the U.N. run the Internet? > July 11, 2005, 4:00 AM PT > By Declan McCullagh > > An international political spat is brewing over whether the United Nations > will seize control of the heart of the Internet. > U.N. bureaucrats and telecommunications ministers from many less-developed > nations claim the U.S. government has undue influence over how things run > online. Now they want to be the ones in charge. > > While the formal proposal from a U.N. working group will be released July > 18, it's already clear what it will contain. A preliminary summary of > governmental views claims there's a "convergence of views" supporting a new > organization to oversee crucial Internet functions, most likely under the > aegis of the United Nations or the International Telecommunications Union. > > > > . China: "We feel that the public policy issue of Internet should be solved > jointly by the sovereign states in the U.N. framework...For instance, spam, > network security and cyberspace--we should look for an appropriate > specialized agency of the United Nations as a competent body." > > Article: > http://news.com.com/Will+the+U.N.+run+the+Internet/2010-1071_3-5780157.html > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > -- Justin W. Hart _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 13:46:47 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 15 13:46:58 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Threatening us with nuclear attack... In-Reply-To: <008701c5894a$5473fd40$6401a8c0@dencomputer> Message-ID: <20050715204647.47928.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Pre-emptive nuclear strikes, on communist crap worthless shoddy shit china!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mbest@triad.rr.com wrote: ...yet we STILL buy their crap at Wal-Mart, and give them IBM! Will we EVER learn??? -MB Chinese General Threatens Use of A-Bombs if U.S. Intrudes By JOSEPH KAHN Published: July 15, 2005 BEIJING, Friday, July 15 - China should use nuclear weapons against the United States if the American military intervenes in any conflict over Taiwan, a senior Chinese military official said Thursday. "If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons," the official, Maj. Gen. Zhu Chenghu, said at an official briefing. General Zhu's threat is not the first of its kind from a senior Chinese military official. In 1995, Xiong Guangkai, who is now the deputy chief of the general staff of the People's Liberation Army, told Chas W. Freeman, a former Pentagon official, that China would consider using nuclear weapons in a Taiwan conflict. Mr. Freeman quoted Mr. Xiong as saying that Americans should worry more about Los Angeles than Taipei. Article: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/15/international/asia/15china.html?th&emc=th --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050715/1d4d3c74/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 13:58:49 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 15 13:58:58 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) Message-ID: <20050715205849.84388.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> The fascist communist and communist fascist pedophile power control pirates have fucked us all. They Kontrol the electrical power intrafuckture, and they Kontrol the miltary industrial Komplex intrafucktures. K.K.K. Investigation into dark secrets within the boy scouts organization, and investigation into dark secrets within the 'United' States Army Corps Of Engineers, need to take place. America is not only divided. WE THE PEOPLE, ARE BROKEN. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050715/fe8c8b81/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 14:15:40 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 15 14:15:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong? In-Reply-To: <20050714230024.79149.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050715211540.69512.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > "Moore, Frank" wrote: > I disagree. > Only its actually use is illegal. Discussing it, is not. > And references made to illustrate a concept... i.e., air bubbling > through water... Certainly are not. > YEAH, THAT IS THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. > I REJECT MARIJUANA. > > TRIED IT WHEN I WAS YOUNGER; NOW SUFFERING > PSYCHOSIS BECAUSE OF IT. Are you sure your psychosis is from marijuana, or could it be that you took marijuana because you were already falling apart? Are you sure that was the only active ingredient? Sometimes people put other things in the mix. > ANYONE KNOW IF SMOKING NELUMBO LOTUS MIGHT > BE ILLEGAL??? In Austraila and Finland, yes. So far.. as it catches on, other nations will no doubt outlaw it for the harm people can do to themselves when they are not quite sane. But the question is, if you believe your problems were caused by marijuana, why would you want to try lotus??? We know it messes with the function of nerons. Do you want your neurons to be better, or go further out of whack? YEAH,,,, IF I CAN SEND MY NEURONS OUT OF WHACK, THAT WOULD BE DESIRABLE TO THE WAY I FEEL NOW. HYPERTENSION FROM HELL. I NEED SERENITY. YOU ALL MAY HAVE FIGURED IT OUT BY NOW, BUT IF YOU DIDN'T SUSPECT, I WAS SEXUALLY ABUSED WHEN I WAS A KID. I SUFFER FROM NEUROSIS FROM THE SEXUAL ABUSE, AND PSYCHOSIS, FROM THE EXPERIMENTAL USE OF MARIJUANA WITH HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS. LIFE NOW, IS NEARLY PURE AGONY. AND SINCE I HAVE FINALLY DISCLOSED SOME TRUTH HERE; I QUESTION IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO PERMANENTLY SABOTAGE ALL SEXUAL BIONEURAL / BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS, PERMANENTLY? TO RID MYSELF OF ENDLESS SOCIAL / SEXUAL DISTORTION, PERMANENTLY. > BUT THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT IT UP, IS THAT I > WAS WONDERING IF A WATER BONG WOULD BE > SUFFICIENT, FOR USE AS A SMALL SCALE WATER BUBBLER > AIR FILTRATION DEVICE. Not very good as the bubble size is going to be too large. OK. > THE AIR SO-CALLED QUALITY IN MY RESIDENCE IS SHIT, > AND MY ATTEMPT TO INSTALL AN HEPA AIR FILTER AT THE > CEILING AIR INTAKE, HAS SO FAR FAILED. If it is the intake, it's the wrong place to put it. You want it on the air outlet into your room, not back to the furnace. THE STRENGTH OF THE AIR OUTPUT AT THE ROOM VENTS, IS VERY WEAK, AND ALWAYS GODDAMNED HAS BEEN. I CAN'T AFFORD AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT, ABSOLUTE EFFICIENT, ABSOLUTE MODULAR H.V.A.C. SYSTEM LIKE I'VE WANTED FOR SO LONG NOW. > SCREWS JUST DON'T STICK INTO CEILING SHEET ROCK, AND > SO I AM GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO INSTALL A > WOODEN FRAME, TO KEEP THE VENT COVER ATTACHED IN PLACE, That might help. Usually, if there is a grate, you can take the grate off, put the HEPA between the grate and the duct with some careful folding. I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET A CUSTOM VENT COVER, IF POSSIBLE; THE ONE THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN USED IS TOO LARGE FOR THE AIR INTAKE. > I ALSO PURCHASED A RUSSIAN GAS MASK A WEEK AND A HALF > AGO, AT THE LOCAL ARMY SURPLUS, BUT IT IS FAR TOO UNCOMFORTABLE > TO WEAR, THE GLASS EYE PIECES FOG UP TOO GODDAMNED MUCH, That's a full face mask. YEAH; I NEED A HALF GAS MASK, AS YOU MENTION BELOW. I have several made-in-USA full face. masks, and yes, there is a problem with fogging on those which don't have a separate mouth-nose pocket. You can get a half mask at Home Depot. The new 3M M7502's are much more comfortable and less stinky than the older ones. I use one with a HEPA filter whenever the fog rolls in through here, or when I get a dead mouse under the floorboards. I sometimes sleep with it on. OK; I'LL LOOK INTO GETTING ONE OF THOSE TYPE OF MASKS, NEXT MONTH. THE ONE PIECE GAS MASKS ARE TOO MUCH TO DEAL WITH, WHEN I ONLY NEED THE BREATHING AID PORTION OF THE MASK, AND NOT THE PART THAT COVERS THE EYES. The advantage of a professional mask like that, is that it has an exhaust valve, so the damp exhaled air is not going to clog the HEPA, nor deposit all kinds of organics which will start feeding mold. > I'D PURCHASE AN AMERICAN GAS MASK, BUT $125.00 IS SOMETHING THAT > I CANNOT AFFORD. I think the 3M M7502 half mask I bought was only $59, including organic cartridges. HEPA cartridges (purple pancakes) are much cheaper and last much longer... but do not help when it comes to organic vapors. Organic vapor cartridges may not last more than a day or two of 24 hour use. But try it and see if it helps. I wore one for about two years (24/7) due to woodsmoke when I was very ill. My body could not handle the toxins, it turns out because I also had Candida Albecans produceing a lot of toxins as well. Stupid me, I didn't move out of there quickly enough, so when I was too tired to move, well... I started using the mask. Eventually, we found a good doctor, and he cleared up the crud growing on my skin and in my blood. Then I didn't need the mask anymore, at least not in normal circumstances. The M7502 has a better silicon face portion, and can be easily disassembled for cleaning, which you should do at least once a day or after each use. We exhale a lot of organic crap which supports mold. A full face mask is only needed when the toxins or allergens will harm the eyes. Half masks are also a lot cheaper and easier to use. Is niacin helping you at all? How much are you taking? Same for C. I TOOK NIACIN FOR A WHILE, AND IT WAS OF SOME BENEFIT, BUT THE BENEFIT DIDN'T LAST, AND I KEPT WAKING UP AT NIGHT, FEELING AS THOUGH MY HEART WAS GOING TO EXPLODE, AND ALSO FELT LIKE I NEEDED FLUIDS. AS FAR AS VITAMIN C IS CONCERNED; I'VE BEEN DRINKING A LOT OF JUICES THAT ARE HIGH IN VITAMIN C. I'VE WONDERED IF MY OVERKILL INTAKE OF VEGETABLES THOUGH, MIGHT BE DRASTICALLY REDUCING MY BREATHING, AND OXYGEN INTAKE. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT ANTI-OXIDANTS THOUGH, TO KNOW! GOTTA GO. TIME'S NEARLY UP ON THE LIBRARY COMPUTER TODAY. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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CAN WE THE PEOPLE STAND UP AGAINST THE MIGHTY PERVERTED POWER CONTROLLERS THAT BE, WHO HAVE DIVIDED US ALL; OR IS IT TOO LATE FOR US ALL? --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050715/e21ce1ed/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 14:32:32 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 15 14:32:40 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) Message-ID: <20050715213232.34288.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> 1. THE INTERNATIONAL ELECTRICAL POWER INFRASTRUCTURE / INTRAFUCKTURE, HAS FUCKED US ALL, AND THE U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS SECRETLY PROMOTES AND SUPPORTS THE IMMORALITY ON THE INTERNET AND ON THE AIRWAVES. 2. THE COMMERCIALISM OF PHARMACOLOGY AIDS AND ABETTS THE SUPPRESSION OF VITAMIN ORTHOMOLECULAR SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY. 3. THE NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL INFRASTRUCTURES / INTRAFUCKTURES HAVE FUCKED US ALL. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050715/825471d4/attachment-0001.html From Igor at Mad-Scientists.ORG Fri Jul 15 15:10:07 2005 From: Igor at Mad-Scientists.ORG (Igor) Date: Fri Jul 15 15:10:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Some posting guidelines Message-ID: Some issues have come up recently regarding what is appropriate for the list and I would like to make a few comments and hopefully steer it back toward science a bit. To quote the charter: The International Society of Mad Scientists is dedicated to disseminating information about unusual projects in any field. Membership is open to anyone that in practice or spirit considers themselves to be a Mad Scientist. Discussions should be related to mad science or scientists. (This rule is interpreted pretty loosely.) Politics is fine, but again should be related in some way to science and medicine. People can get very passionate about politics, but remember there are many members from countries around the world besides the US. Derogatory posts concerning other nationalities and cultures, racial slurs and personal attacks on other members are not acceptable. There are many areas of mad science on the fringe of conventional and legal boundries. Discussion of such topics is ok, but it should not advocate or promote illegal activitities. Profanity is not prohibited, but you should be aware that not all members will receive your post. Many corporate spam filters do not allow it and I receive several bounced messages a week rejected due to "inappropriate content." Your faithful servant -Igor From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 15 20:53:24 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 15 20:53:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050715213232.34288.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 15, 2005 02:32:32 PM Message-ID: <20050716035324.71776.qmail@mall-net.com> > 1. THE INTERNATIONAL ELECTRICAL POWER INFRASTRUCTURE / > INTRAFUCKTURE, HAS FUCKED US ALL, AND THE U.S. ARMY > CORPS OF ENGINEERS SECRETLY PROMOTES AND SUPPORTS > THE IMMORALITY ON THE INTERNET AND ON THE AIRWAVES. > > 2. THE COMMERCIALISM OF PHARMACOLOGY AIDS AND ABETTS > THE SUPPRESSION OF VITAMIN ORTHOMOLECULAR SCIENCE > AND TECHNOLOGY. > > 3. THE NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL INFRASTRUCTURES / > INTRAFUCKTURES HAVE FUCKED US ALL. So? Are you going to sit there crying in your [beer/whisky/milk/yogurt]? (I prefer soy yogurt, myself.) Or are you going to do some really mad scientific experiments that let you transcend your current situation? Or to put it another way... What do you want to be known for when you die? Nothing? Or as the inventor of some earth shaking technology? Or maybe just someone who had something that made a goodly sum of money? Why are you just sitting there? There are always people out there who are willing to throw their time and money at you just to be part of some grand something! (One does have to be careful they don't walk off with that something... but there are people who will throw money at you if you promote it right.) There were certainly enough of those crazies running around loose in the 1999 - 2001 time frame! I saw ideas that would NEVER fly get funded, crash and burn, and the rascals, scaliwags, and carpetbaggers s who started them, run out and get other ideas funded that also crashed and burned. Are those days over? Not on your life! But today, you do have to have a reasonably probable idea... And although you don't have to have a prototype... the closer to the prototype and the better the demonstration, the easier it is to raise money. So what the deck is stacked against you! It's always been stacked against us. But we're Mad! We don't CARE if the deck is stacked against us!!! We're going out there and do our stuff anyway! (Anyone got some words for "The Charge of the Mad Scientists?" Maybe we should lift something from Vangelis' Mythodea or something.) (deep voiced chorus) We are mad! Yes we are mad! Mad Scie-EN-Tistis! ... -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no psychiatrist, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. (You want to take psycholunical advice from a mad schientist??? You are mad!) From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 15 20:54:47 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 15 20:54:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050715212747.72128.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 15, 2005 02:27:47 PM Message-ID: <20050716035447.73385.qmail@mall-net.com> > THE MIDDLE CLASS IS ALREADY A TRAGEDY. > WITH CHEAPLY CONTRUCTED, FASCIST/ > COMMUNIST TOOTHPICK STICK FRAMED, > CHEAP BRICK COATED HOMES THAT ARE > BUILT TO BURN TO THE GROUND, WHEN THEY > CATCH FIRE. So? so they wanted to put their money elsewhere. > INTERNET IMMORALITY POLLUTION, BROADBAND > OVER POWERLINES (B.P.L.) BRAINWAVE > POLLUTION, AND AIRWAVE IMMORALITY > POLLUTION ALREADY INFECT THE MINDS OF > THE ENTIRE MIDDLE CLASS. > CAN WE THE PEOPLE STAND UP AGAINST > THE MIGHTY PERVERTED POWER CONTROLLERS > THAT BE, WHO HAVE DIVIDED US ALL; OR IS > IT TOO LATE FOR US ALL? > Nah. They are just as confused as we are. They just hide it better. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 15 21:26:50 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 15 21:26:55 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong? In-Reply-To: <20050715211540.69512.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 15, 2005 02:15:40 PM Message-ID: <20050716042650.4426.qmail@mall-net.com> > > ANYONE KNOW IF SMOKING NELUMBO LOTUS MIGHT > > BE ILLEGAL??? > But the question is, if you believe your problems were caused by > marijuana, why would you want to try lotus??? We know it messes with > the function of nerons. Do you want your neurons to be better, or go > further out of whack? > > > YEAH,,,, IF I CAN SEND MY NEURONS OUT OF WHACK, THAT WOULD > BE DESIRABLE TO THE WAY I FEEL NOW. It might get worse... > HYPERTENSION FROM HELL. > I NEED SERENITY. Do you have a blood pressure meter (sphygmomanometer)? I, and I've heard others, learn to adjust themselves, their behaviors to keep the blood pressure down and thus minimize the harm. But to do that, you need to measure and to recognize what raises the measurements. It's a long term project. I often take my blood pressure in the morning and in the evening, then reflect on what I did that raised it, or lowered it from the previous readings. > YOU ALL MAY HAVE FIGURED IT OUT BY NOW, BUT IF YOU DIDN'T > SUSPECT, I WAS SEXUALLY ABUSED WHEN I WAS A KID. > > I SUFFER FROM NEUROSIS FROM THE SEXUAL ABUSE, AND PSYCHOSIS, > FROM THE EXPERIMENTAL USE OF MARIJUANA WITH HIGH SCHOOL > FRIENDS. > > LIFE NOW, IS NEARLY PURE AGONY. > > AND SINCE I HAVE FINALLY DISCLOSED SOME TRUTH HERE; I > QUESTION IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO PERMANENTLY SABOTAGE ALL > SEXUAL BIONEURAL / BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS, PERMANENTLY? > TO RID MYSELF OF ENDLESS SOCIAL / SEXUAL DISTORTION, PERMANENTLY. Yes, from what I hear, it is doable. Focus on something you really want to do. Like be a real mad scientist. If you really keep focusing on something else, the feedback cycles start fading, from what I hear. Results vary from person to person... but improvements are possible. I've heard that running (or jogging) while repeating some mantra like "I AM... I Can... I Will..." or some such things can result in longer term improvements, as the running helps drive the mandra in. This gives you a lot of drive. Use the drive to do something, not perfect, but thought out enough to determine whether the ideas you have are worth pursuing, or whether you need to look for something else. One thing I awoke reflecting upon this morning, was how Ronald Reagan used Belief in what is right, and the willingness to stand up for it in aid to others, to build himself. It wasn't just his lifeguard work, but he did save over 70 people as a lifeguard before ending up in Hollywood. So he KNEW he was something to himself. He KNEW it was worth doing something to hold up decency, etc. And so he ended up as president of some guild of actors, negotiated for them, etc. I guess the bottom line was that he wasn't afraid to risk himself for what was right. He did learn how to do with with minimal harm to himself and others... but when push came to shove, he stood up. I love that statement "I paid for this microphone!" at a debate which some others were about to close down. That made it clear he wasn't going to stand for nonsense. I also like the comeback after that very embarrassing time he found out his joke about outlawing the USSR was made to a live microphone -- something to the effect that if you can't joke about what you are doing, it isn't worth doing. It's very true. You have to have fun doing the most important things, or you'll soon burn out! > > THE AIR SO-CALLED QUALITY IN MY RESIDENCE IS SHIT, > > AND MY ATTEMPT TO INSTALL AN HEPA AIR FILTER AT THE > > CEILING AIR INTAKE, HAS SO FAR FAILED. > > If it is the intake, it's the wrong place to put it. You want it on > the air outlet into your room, not back to the furnace. > > > THE STRENGTH OF THE AIR OUTPUT AT THE ROOM VENTS, IS VERY > WEAK, AND ALWAYS GODDAMNED HAS BEEN. Other air output vents then need to be closed a little more, or all vents set up with HEPA filters. > I CAN'T AFFORD AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT, ABSOLUTE EFFICIENT, > ABSOLUTE MODULAR H.V.A.C. SYSTEM LIKE I'VE WANTED FOR SO > LONG NOW. Perfection is a very, very inflexible state! Look at the lion -- near perfection for burst speeds, massive strength, etc. Ok, so the cheetah is a little faster. Who keeps them in zoos? puny weak hominids. The ultimate flying machine is the Albatros, staying aloft half a year at a time as it feeds off the sea. Who flies further? Wingless hominids in jumbo jets and space ships. The horse is the ultimate running machine, so full of grace and beauty as it runs down the track. Who rides the horse? A small, clumsy human being. Another human owns the track. > I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET A CUSTOM VENT COVER, IF POSSIBLE; > THE ONE THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN USED IS TOO LARGE FOR THE > AIR INTAKE. Wrap HEPA sheets over the vent cover on the outside. > > I ALSO PURCHASED A RUSSIAN GAS MASK A WEEK AND A HALF > You can get a half mask at Home Depot. The new 3M M7502's are much > more comfortable and less stinky than the older ones. I use one with a > HEPA filter whenever the fog rolls in through here, or when I get a dead > mouse under the floorboards. I sometimes sleep with it on. > > > OK; I'LL LOOK INTO GETTING ONE OF THOSE TYPE OF MASKS, NEXT > MONTH. > > I think the 3M M7502 half mask I bought was only $59, including > organic cartridges. HEPA cartridges (purple pancakes) are much cheaper > and last much longer... but do not help when it comes to organic vapors. > Is niacin helping you at all? How much are you taking? Same for C. > > I TOOK NIACIN FOR A WHILE, AND IT WAS OF SOME BENEFIT, BUT > THE BENEFIT DIDN'T LAST, AND I KEPT WAKING UP AT NIGHT, FEELING > AS THOUGH MY HEART WAS GOING TO EXPLODE, AND ALSO FELT LIKE > I NEEDED FLUIDS. Nocturnal fluid needs often indicate either sweating or wet breath. Either can be signs of allergies, or something else including hypoglycemia (and a ton of other things.) > AS FAR AS VITAMIN C IS CONCERNED; I'VE BEEN DRINKING A LOT > OF JUICES THAT ARE HIGH IN VITAMIN C. I'm talking a minimum of 12 grams per day, not some piddling amount in fruit juices, which generally have a lot of fructose, which again sets off the nervous system, feeds candida, etc. > I'VE WONDERED IF MY OVERKILL INTAKE OF VEGETABLES THOUGH, > MIGHT BE DRASTICALLY REDUCING MY BREATHING, AND OXYGEN INTAKE. This can be a problem. This is one of the problems I appear to have; but I'm not going to go out and eat beef or most any other ranched or wild land animals. > I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT ANTI-OXIDANTS THOUGH, TO KNOW! > GOTTA GO. Pierson and Shaw, "Life Extension" > TIME'S NEARLY UP ON THE LIBRARY COMPUTER TODAY. See you soon. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 15 21:28:55 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 15 21:28:58 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050715205849.84388.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 15, 2005 01:58:49 PM Message-ID: <20050716042855.6014.qmail@mall-net.com> > America is not only divided. > WE THE PEOPLE, ARE BROKEN. The only broken people are those who believe they are broken. Look at the Vietnam veterans who were prisoners of war in North Vietnam. They stood because they believed they could! -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 15 21:54:39 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 15 21:54:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Fork the chinks, and the UN! In-Reply-To: <002201c5896a$a1d114e0$6401a8c0@dencomputer> from "mbest@triad.rr.com" at Jul 15, 2005 02:25:51 PM Message-ID: <20050716045439.23586.qmail@mall-net.com> > > >From the lamdmark Supreme Court decision, ACLU v. Reno: > > "The Internet is a novel communications medium, deserving of the fullest > measure of First Amendment protection." > > The USA imagined, created, built, and developed the Internet. Now the > Communist and Totaliartian governments wish to steal it for their sinister > purposes. Already, China has persuaded Google and Microsoft to censor their > search results for Chinese users. > > Now they want to do the same to us! > > THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN! No, Mike, they do want to fork off our line. We must PREVENT them from forking. It is THE PEOPLE who must not be forked. (That said, most dictators do need to be forked off to /dev/null and run at some abysmally low priority level.) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no politician, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as political advice. (Other than that some politicians deserve to be subject to legal processes which may include inevitable non-chiropractic modalities of extending their supra-cranial vertebrae. Or at the very least, audited to see just how much they did seal.) From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Jul 16 06:06:05 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 16 06:06:32 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) Message-ID: <19f.37d292ae.300a603d@aol.com> In a message dated 7/15/2005 11:54:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: (Anyone got some words for "The Charge of the Mad Scientists?" Maybe we should lift something from Vangelis' Mythodea or something.) (deep voiced chorus) We are mad! Yes we are mad! Mad Scie-EN-Tistis! ... Pink Floyd could do something interesting with this. Also, it is a shame that Gilbert and Sullivan aren't around to give us their take on todays scientists. Speaking of Mad Scientists, Rockey Horror has my favorite, Dr. Frank En Footer, what a Scientists, what a Man, what a Pal. Excuse me, I have to go practice the Time Wrop, never know when i will get invited to a space alien shindig. Regards Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050716/47364a4a/attachment-0001.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Jul 16 07:58:49 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 16 07:59:04 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out Scientists Create Zombie Dogs Message-ID: <1de.3fa0b152.300a7aa9@aol.com> _Scientists Create Zombie Dogs_ (http://www.fvza.org/przombiedog.html) Following links can prove interesting. When I found this one, I just knew I had to send it on to you guys and gals. Science continues to amaze me in all its forms. Regards Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050716/866b7b22/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 09:53:29 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Jul 16 09:54:50 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong? In-Reply-To: <20050716042650.4426.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050716165329.78612.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> I've gotta go to a hospital today. But the environ-mental institution intrafuckture will not do. 1. Cardiovascular problems. 2. Neural problems. 3. Psychological problems. 4. Need oxygen. 5. Need neural sedation. 6. Need the lord Jesus Christ to see me through it all. 7. Need an electrically quiet atmosphere. 8. Need liquid vitamin B complex to drink. 9. Need liquid vitamin C 'complex' to drink. 10. Need testosterone-adrenal- -hypertension-stress overkill reduction. Have I left anything out??? I need help very soon. Clyde javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > ANYONE KNOW IF SMOKING NELUMBO LOTUS MIGHT > > BE ILLEGAL??? > But the question is, if you believe your problems were caused by > marijuana, why would you want to try lotus??? We know it messes with > the function of nerons. Do you want your neurons to be better, or go > further out of whack? > > > YEAH,,,, IF I CAN SEND MY NEURONS OUT OF WHACK, THAT WOULD > BE DESIRABLE TO THE WAY I FEEL NOW. It might get worse... > HYPERTENSION FROM HELL. > I NEED SERENITY. Do you have a blood pressure meter (sphygmomanometer)? I, and I've heard others, learn to adjust themselves, their behaviors to keep the blood pressure down and thus minimize the harm. But to do that, you need to measure and to recognize what raises the measurements. It's a long term project. I often take my blood pressure in the morning and in the evening, then reflect on what I did that raised it, or lowered it from the previous readings. > YOU ALL MAY HAVE FIGURED IT OUT BY NOW, BUT IF YOU DIDN'T > SUSPECT, I WAS SEXUALLY ABUSED WHEN I WAS A KID. > > I SUFFER FROM NEUROSIS FROM THE SEXUAL ABUSE, AND PSYCHOSIS, > FROM THE EXPERIMENTAL USE OF MARIJUANA WITH HIGH SCHOOL > FRIENDS. > > LIFE NOW, IS NEARLY PURE AGONY. > > AND SINCE I HAVE FINALLY DISCLOSED SOME TRUTH HERE; I > QUESTION IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO PERMANENTLY SABOTAGE ALL > SEXUAL BIONEURAL / BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS, PERMANENTLY? > TO RID MYSELF OF ENDLESS SOCIAL / SEXUAL DISTORTION, PERMANENTLY. Yes, from what I hear, it is doable. Focus on something you really want to do. Like be a real mad scientist. If you really keep focusing on something else, the feedback cycles start fading, from what I hear. Results vary from person to person... but improvements are possible. I've heard that running (or jogging) while repeating some mantra like "I AM... I Can... I Will..." or some such things can result in longer term improvements, as the running helps drive the mandra in. This gives you a lot of drive. Use the drive to do something, not perfect, but thought out enough to determine whether the ideas you have are worth pursuing, or whether you need to look for something else. One thing I awoke reflecting upon this morning, was how Ronald Reagan used Belief in what is right, and the willingness to stand up for it in aid to others, to build himself. It wasn't just his lifeguard work, but he did save over 70 people as a lifeguard before ending up in Hollywood. So he KNEW he was something to himself. He KNEW it was worth doing something to hold up decency, etc. And so he ended up as president of some guild of actors, negotiated for them, etc. I guess the bottom line was that he wasn't afraid to risk himself for what was right. He did learn how to do with with minimal harm to himself and others... but when push came to shove, he stood up. I love that statement "I paid for this microphone!" at a debate which some others were about to close down. That made it clear he wasn't going to stand for nonsense. I also like the comeback after that very embarrassing time he found out his joke about outlawing the USSR was made to a live microphone -- something to the effect that if you can't joke about what you are doing, it isn't worth doing. It's very true. You have to have fun doing the most important things, or you'll soon burn out! > > THE AIR SO-CALLED QUALITY IN MY RESIDENCE IS SHIT, > > AND MY ATTEMPT TO INSTALL AN HEPA AIR FILTER AT THE > > CEILING AIR INTAKE, HAS SO FAR FAILED. > > If it is the intake, it's the wrong place to put it. You want it on > the air outlet into your room, not back to the furnace. > > > THE STRENGTH OF THE AIR OUTPUT AT THE ROOM VENTS, IS VERY > WEAK, AND ALWAYS GODDAMNED HAS BEEN. Other air output vents then need to be closed a little more, or all vents set up with HEPA filters. > I CAN'T AFFORD AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT, ABSOLUTE EFFICIENT, > ABSOLUTE MODULAR H.V.A.C. SYSTEM LIKE I'VE WANTED FOR SO > LONG NOW. Perfection is a very, very inflexible state! Look at the lion -- near perfection for burst speeds, massive strength, etc. Ok, so the cheetah is a little faster. Who keeps them in zoos? puny weak hominids. The ultimate flying machine is the Albatros, staying aloft half a year at a time as it feeds off the sea. Who flies further? Wingless hominids in jumbo jets and space ships. The horse is the ultimate running machine, so full of grace and beauty as it runs down the track. Who rides the horse? A small, clumsy human being. Another human owns the track. > I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET A CUSTOM VENT COVER, IF POSSIBLE; > THE ONE THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN USED IS TOO LARGE FOR THE > AIR INTAKE. Wrap HEPA sheets over the vent cover on the outside. > > I ALSO PURCHASED A RUSSIAN GAS MASK A WEEK AND A HALF > You can get a half mask at Home Depot. The new 3M M7502's are much > more comfortable and less stinky than the older ones. I use one with a > HEPA filter whenever the fog rolls in through here, or when I get a dead > mouse under the floorboards. I sometimes sleep with it on. > > > OK; I'LL LOOK INTO GETTING ONE OF THOSE TYPE OF MASKS, NEXT > MONTH. > > I think the 3M M7502 half mask I bought was only $59, including > organic cartridges. HEPA cartridges (purple pancakes) are much cheaper > and last much longer... but do not help when it comes to organic vapors. > Is niacin helping you at all? How much are you taking? Same for C. > > I TOOK NIACIN FOR A WHILE, AND IT WAS OF SOME BENEFIT, BUT > THE BENEFIT DIDN'T LAST, AND I KEPT WAKING UP AT NIGHT, FEELING > AS THOUGH MY HEART WAS GOING TO EXPLODE, AND ALSO FELT LIKE > I NEEDED FLUIDS. Nocturnal fluid needs often indicate either sweating or wet breath. Either can be signs of allergies, or something else including hypoglycemia (and a ton of other things.) > AS FAR AS VITAMIN C IS CONCERNED; I'VE BEEN DRINKING A LOT > OF JUICES THAT ARE HIGH IN VITAMIN C. I'm talking a minimum of 12 grams per day, not some piddling amount in fruit juices, which generally have a lot of fructose, which again sets off the nervous system, feeds candida, etc. > I'VE WONDERED IF MY OVERKILL INTAKE OF VEGETABLES THOUGH, > MIGHT BE DRASTICALLY REDUCING MY BREATHING, AND OXYGEN INTAKE. This can be a problem. This is one of the problems I appear to have; but I'm not going to go out and eat beef or most any other ranched or wild land animals. > I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT ANTI-OXIDANTS THOUGH, TO KNOW! > GOTTA GO. Pierson and Shaw, "Life Extension" > TIME'S NEARLY UP ON THE LIBRARY COMPUTER TODAY. See you soon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050716/7577678a/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 09:58:42 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Jul 16 09:58:47 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) Message-ID: <20050716165842.55619.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> Revised: The electric power utility industries can and will, burn all wooden structured businesses and residences down to the ground, if they are challenged in the light. The international electrical power generation infrastructure / intrafuckture, IS responsible, for the underground communist homosexual agenda, internet pedophilia, and the homosexualization of the Boy Scouts. They also support terrorism. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050716/0dde0ace/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 10:07:36 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Jul 16 10:07:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Reminder web addresses, part six. Message-ID: <20050716170736.55062.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> HEY YALL; THIS IS THE EXTENT OF WHAT I CAN GET DONE OF THE PART SIX, REMINDER WEB ADDRESSES, FOR NOW. I WILL BE ADDING TO IT MORE, IN THE FUTURE,,,, IF THERE EVEN IS A FUTURE FOR US ALL. CLYDE Reminder web addresses, part six: 1. http://whyfiles.org/210political_science/3.html 2. http://www.hardscapematerials.com 3. http://www.oasepumps.com 4. http://www.littlegiant.com 5. http://www.shamanshop.net/store/proddetail.cfm/ItemID/15877.0/CategoryID/155500.0/SubCatID/3620.0/File.htm 6. http://www.global-towers.com 7. http://www.independentliving.com 8. http://www.maxiaids.com 9. http://www.lssproducts.com 10. http://www.easa.com/ 11. http://www.ecampus.com/bk_detail.asp?isbn=0393059944&referrer=ing0405 12. http://partners.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/20000611mag-lawn.html 13. http://www.organicconsumers.org/patent/slowgrow.cfm 14. http://www.occultopedia.com/c/caduceus.htm --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050716/606b8ac6/attachment-0001.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Jul 16 10:10:15 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Jul 16 10:10:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong? In-Reply-To: <20050716165329.78612.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 16, 2005 09:53:29 AM Message-ID: <20050716171015.25034.qmail@mall-net.com> > I've gotta go to a hospital today. > But the environ-mental institution > intrafuckture will not do. > 1. Cardiovascular problems. > 2. Neural problems. > 3. Psychological problems. > 4. Need oxygen. > 5. Need neural sedation. > 6. Need the lord Jesus Christ > to see me through it all. > 7. Need an electrically quiet > atmosphere. > 8. Need liquid vitamin B complex > to drink. > 9. Need liquid vitamin C 'complex' > to drink. > 10. Need testosterone-adrenal- > -hypertension-stress overkill > reduction. > > Have I left anything out??? > I need help very soon. Numbers 7 and 8 sound promising. I could debate 6 in another forum. > Yes, from what I hear, it is doable. Focus on something you really > want to do. Like be a real mad scientist. > > If you really keep focusing on something else, the feedback cycles > start fading, from what I hear. Results vary from person to person... > but improvements are possible. > > I've heard that running (or jogging) while repeating some mantra > like "I AM... I Can... I Will..." or some such things can result in > longer term improvements, as the running helps drive the mandra in. > Perfection is a very, very inflexible state! > > Look at the lion -- near perfection for burst speeds, massive > strength, etc. Ok, so the cheetah is a little faster. > > Who keeps them in zoos? > > puny weak hominids. > > The ultimate flying machine is the Albatros, staying aloft half a > year at a time as it feeds off the sea. > > Who flies further? > > Wingless hominids in jumbo jets and space ships. > > The horse is the ultimate running machine, so full of grace and > beauty as it runs down the track. > > Who rides the horse? A small, clumsy human being. > > Another human owns the track. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 10:23:38 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Jul 16 10:23:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Corruptions. Message-ID: <20050716172338.7909.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Corruptions: The pharmacology intrafuckture is just as equally corrupt as the financial intrafuckture, and the electrical power generation and service intrafucktures combined. Clyde --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050716/0543d9f4/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Jul 16 10:44:10 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Jul 16 10:44:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050716165842.55619.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 16, 2005 09:58:42 AM Message-ID: <20050716174410.44504.qmail@mall-net.com> > The electric power utility industries can and > will, burn all wooden structured businesses > and residences down to the ground, if they > are challenged in the light. Interesting point, Clyde! Yes they can! But do they? No. Why not? Because.... It would irritate the locals It would reduce their revenues (fewer buyers) And it would take a lot more effort. That is not to say that when lighting strikes or a tree limb falls, or a rat gnaws through some insulation, there isn't the occasional fire. But it's not deliberately set by the power company. > The international electrical power generation > infrastructure / intrafuckture, IS responsible, > for the underground communist homosexual > agenda, internet pedophilia, and the > homosexualization of the Boy Scouts. > They also support terrorism. This would be hard to prove, Clyde. Of course, the boy scouts and priesthood are good places for pedophiles to hide. but that does not mean it is organization policy. See the above for how one balances possibilities vs probabilities. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 10:47:06 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Jul 16 10:47:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong? In-Reply-To: <20050716171015.25034.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050716174706.88191.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > I've gotta go to a hospital today. > But the environ-mental institution > intrafuckture will not do. > 1. Cardiovascular problems. > 2. Neural problems. > 3. Psychological problems. > 4. Need oxygen. > 5. Need neural sedation. > 6. Need the lord Jesus Christ > to see me through it all. > 7. Need an electrically quiet > atmosphere. > 8. Need liquid vitamin B complex > to drink. > 9. Need liquid vitamin C 'complex' > to drink. > 10. Need testosterone-adrenal- > -hypertension-stress overkill > reduction. > > Have I left anything out??? > I need help very soon. Numbers 7 and 8 sound promising. I could debate 6 in another forum. OK. I'M ALMOST OUT OF LIBRARY INTERNET TIME FOR TODAY, BUT I FOUND OUT ABOUT VITAMIN B COMPLEX FROM MY CHIROPRACTOR; AND ALSO GOT A VITAMIN B COMPLEX SHOT-INJECTION FROM HIM, A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. THE WAY THAT I FEEL RIGHT NOW; I NEED TO USE A TRACTION TABLE FOR THE OVERKILL STRESS THAT IS IN MY LIFE. IF FINANCES WERE NOT SO ENDLESLY GOD DAMNED NONSENSICAL FINITE, I COULD OWN ONE OR MORE INTERSEG(-)MENTAL TRACTION TABLES. THE STRESS IN MY LIFE IS RUINING ME. IT IS MY WILL, TO BE A SURVIVOR OVER IT THOUGH, AND I REJECT THE MENTAL-ENVIRON-MENTAL ENTRAPMENT- -ENPRISON-MENTAL ENTRAPMENT, OF THE ENVIRON- -MENTAL INSTITUTION INTRAFUCKTURE. LATER, CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050716/16c42ebe/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Jul 16 11:14:45 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Jul 16 11:14:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong? In-Reply-To: <20050716174706.88191.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 16, 2005 10:47:06 AM Message-ID: <20050716181445.63064.qmail@mall-net.com> > I'M ALMOST OUT OF LIBRARY INTERNET TIME FOR TODAY, > BUT I FOUND OUT ABOUT VITAMIN B COMPLEX FROM MY > CHIROPRACTOR; AND ALSO GOT A VITAMIN B COMPLEX > SHOT-INJECTION FROM HIM, A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. One generally has to do this fairly often, taking enough by mouth to help every day. The results can be amazing when adequate quantities are used. But... one has to try to find non-yeast derivative vitamin B if one has candida problems. > THE WAY THAT I FEEL RIGHT NOW; I NEED TO USE A TRACTION > TABLE FOR THE OVERKILL STRESS THAT IS IN MY LIFE. Just try to hang in there, Clyde. It's not as bad as you think. And has a friend of mine use to say, the alternative is death, and that does not sound much better. > IF FINANCES WERE NOT SO ENDLESLY GOD DAMNED > NONSENSICAL FINITE, I COULD OWN ONE OR MORE INTERSEG(-)MENTAL > TRACTION TABLES. I don't know about that. Never heard of a mental traction table... and seem to have enough mental traction of my own. > THE STRESS IN MY LIFE IS RUINING ME. > IT IS MY WILL, TO BE A SURVIVOR OVER IT THOUGH, AND > I REJECT THE MENTAL-ENVIRON-MENTAL ENTRAPMENT- > -ENPRISON-MENTAL ENTRAPMENT, OF THE ENVIRON- > -MENTAL INSTITUTION INTRAFUCKTURE. transcend... transcend. Not always easy, but perseverance tends to win out in th long run. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 14:40:47 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Jul 16 14:40:53 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bong? In-Reply-To: <20050716181445.63064.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050716214048.64180.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > I FOUND OUT ABOUT VITAMIN B COMPLEX FROM MY > CHIROPRACTOR; AND ALSO GOT A VITAMIN B COMPLEX > SHOT-INJECTION FROM HIM, A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. One generally has to do this fairly often, YEAH, THE CHIROPRACTOR'S WIFE TOLD ME THAT THE VITAMIN B COMPLEX SHOT ONLY STAYS IN THE BODY FOR AROUND A WEEK'S WORTH OF TIME. taking enough by mouth to help every day. The results can be amazing when adequate quantities are used. I WANTED TO GET A LIQUID FORM OF VITAMIN B COMPLEX, BUT THE DAMNED PHARMACY DIDN'T HAVE ANY, IF THEY EVEN CARRY IT AT ALL. But... one has to try to find non-yeast derivative vitamin B if one has candida problems. YEAH, I AM CERTAIN NOW THAT I HAVE CANDIDA PROBLEMS. I NEED TO KNOW HOW TO ERADICATE ITS EXISTANCE FROM MY EXISTANCE, PERMANENTLY. > THE WAY THAT I FEEL RIGHT NOW; I NEED TO USE A TRACTION > TABLE FOR THE OVERKILL STRESS THAT IS IN MY LIFE. Just try to hang in there, Clyde. IT IS DAMN AGONY AT TIMES; SOMETIMES HANGING IN THERE BY THE SKIN OF MY TEETH, AS FAR AS THE WAY THAT I FEEL. It's not as bad as you think. THE ADDED CARDIOVASCULAR STRESS FROM THIS DRUG: TRAZADONE, OR WHATEVER THE FUCK IT IS CALLED. And as a friend of mine use to say, the alternative is death, and that does not sound much better. DAMN STRAIGHT. IT IS MY WILL TO BE A SURVIVOR. TO TRIUMPH OVER THE TRADGEDY OF / IN MY LIFE, AND TO DO SO IN PERFECT PEACE. > IF FINANCES WERE NOT SO ENDLESLY GOD DAMNED > NONSENSICAL FINITE, I COULD OWN ONE OR MORE INTERSEG(-)MENTAL > TRACTION TABLES. I don't know about that. Never heard of a mental traction table... and seem to have enough mental traction of my own. ACTUALLY, I WAS BEING SORT OF SARCASTIC. IT IS ACTUALLY: INTER SEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE. THE THERAPEUTIC TABLE-BEDS THAT HAVE A RECIPROCATING MECHANISM THAT CONTINUALLY MOVES UP AND DOWN THE SPINAL COLUMN, AND THAT RESONATES AT THE SAME TIME. ISN'T THIS TRUE TESLA TECHNOLOGY??? > THE STRESS IN MY LIFE IS RUINING ME. > IT IS MY WILL, TO BE A SURVIVOR OVER IT THOUGH, AND > I REJECT THE MENTAL-ENVIRON-MENTAL ENTRAPMENT- > -ENPRISON-MENTAL ENTRAPMENT, OF THE ENVIRON- > -MENTAL INSTITUTION INTRAFUCKTURE. transcend... transcend. EASY TO SAY,,,, DAMN NEAR IMPOSSIBLY DIFFICULT TO DO!!! BUT I HAVE THE WILL POWER TO TRANSCEND. I HAVE PONDERED THAT SUBJECT FOR A HELL OF A LONG TIME. AND IT HAS BEEN HELL. Not always easy, but perseverance tends to win out in the long run. YEAH; I HAVE THE PERSERVERANCE, IF ALL OF THE CEASELESS SENSELESS NEVERENDING NONSENSICAL GOD DAMNED AND MAN DAMNED SHIT WERE OUT OF MY WAY. FINANCES ARE BOTH A GOD DAMNED AND A MAN DAMNED THING. INSUFFICIENT FINANCES SUPPRESS THE INFINITE CREATIVITY, FOR EVERYONE. LATER, CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050716/25cc4526/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 14:54:43 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Jul 16 14:54:48 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) Corruptions. Message-ID: <20050716215443.4204.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Revised: Corruptions: The pharmacology intrafuckture is just as equally corrupt as the financial intrafuckture, and the electrical power generation and electrical transmission service intrafucktures combined. Clyde --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050716/558e6d2a/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Mon Jul 18 13:22:57 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 18 13:23:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out WorldNetDaily: Al-Qaida's U.S. nuclear targets Message-ID: <201.5d76900.300d69a1@aol.com> _WorldNetDaily: Al-Qaida's U.S. nuclear targets_ (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45313) Does Anyone know anything about this Joseph Farah, and or his G2 Bullitin??? With all the crack-pots out there I would like to know if I should take this Dude seriously or dismiss him because he has a history of rabble rousing. Regards Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050718/d475eb2f/attachment.html From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 17:35:24 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Mon Jul 18 17:35:32 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out WorldNetDaily: Al-Qaida's U.S. nuclear targets In-Reply-To: <201.5d76900.300d69a1@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050719003524.86287.qmail@web51912.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta, I took a quick look through that article. I think that it reads like low-rent jingo-prop. the sort of thing that the cammied wierdos hype themselves up with, in order to have a reason for the guns. (I have no problems with someone wanting to have firearms, just get the training. I _DO_ have problems with folks playing mob-fear-group-think.) Bob --- Vesta111@aol.com wrote: > _WorldNetDaily: Al-Qaida's U.S. nuclear targets_ > (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45313) > > > Does Anyone know anything about this Joseph Farah, > and or his G2 Bullitin??? > > With all the crack-pots out there I would like to > know if I should take this > Dude seriously or dismiss him because he has a > history of rabble rousing. > Regards Vesta > > > > > To know someone well, you must see what makes make > them angry. > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 17:44:11 2005 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Mon Jul 18 17:44:40 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out WorldNetDaily: Al-Qaida's U.S. nuclear targets In-Reply-To: <201.5d76900.300d69a1@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050719004411.63635.qmail@web51910.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta, it would appear that friend farah is a neo-con of the first order, with many fears. http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/outthere/otfarah.html (I'll post more articles as I read through them. reading about him is not high on my list, as he seems to be a nut bar.) He hates many things. He seems to want mobs to sweep through the US to bring back "decency." (I prefer good old fashioned enlightened hedonism.) Bob --- Vesta111@aol.com wrote: > _WorldNetDaily: Al-Qaida's U.S. nuclear targets_ > (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45313) > > > Does Anyone know anything about this Joseph Farah, > and or his G2 Bullitin??? > > With all the crack-pots out there I would like to > know if I should take this > Dude seriously or dismiss him because he has a > history of rabble rousing. > Regards Vesta > > > > > To know someone well, you must see what makes make > them angry. > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Jul 18 20:59:26 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Mon Jul 18 20:59:40 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] China to launch manned spacecraft in October Message-ID: <000001c58c16$42c31ee0$6401a8c0@mikey> China is where the US was in about 1965- but catching up rapidly. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-07/15/content_3221270.htm From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Jul 18 21:07:41 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Mon Jul 18 21:07:49 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] More evidence for cavitation-induced nuclear fusion (peer-reviewed) Message-ID: <000101c58c17$68fec270$6401a8c0@mikey> A key component of the experiment was a glass test chamber about the size of two coffee mugs filled with a liquid called deuterated acetone, which contains a form of hydrogen known as deuterium, or heavy hydrogen. The researchers exposed the test chamber to subatomic particles called neutrons and then bombarded the liquid with a specific frequency of ultrasound, which caused cavities to form into tiny bubbles. The bubbles then expanded to a much larger size before imploding, apparently with enough force to cause thermonuclear fusion reactions. Fusion reactions emit neutrons that fall within a specific energy range of 2.5 mega-electron volts, which was the level of energy seen in neutrons produced in the experiment. The experiments also yielded a radioactive material called tritium, which is another product of fusion, Xu and Butt said. http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/2005/050712.Xu.fusion.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jul 18 21:33:03 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Jul 18 21:33:14 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: More evidence for cavitation-induced nuclear fusion (peer-reviewed) In-Reply-To: <000101c58c17$68fec270$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Jul 19, 2005 12:07:41 AM Message-ID: <20050719043303.94592.qmail@mall-net.com> > two coffee mugs filled with a liquid called deuterated acetone, which > contains a form of hydrogen known as deuterium, or heavy hydrogen. The > researchers exposed the test chamber to subatomic particles called = > neutrons > and then bombarded the liquid with a specific frequency of ultrasound, = > which > caused cavities to form into tiny bubbles. The bubbles then expanded to = > a > much larger size before imploding, apparently with enough force to cause > thermonuclear fusion reactions. In other words, a rig possible for us to develop. > Fusion reactions emit neutrons that fall within a specific energy range = > of > 2.5 mega-electron volts, which was the level of energy seen in neutrons > produced in the experiment. The experiments also yielded a radioactive > material called tritium, which is another product of fusion, Xu and Butt > said. But, as with the other techniques, did the action substantially add to the energy in the cup? Or was it yet another academic excercise in proving fusion isn't likely? And not as clean as cold fusion. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jul 24 13:59:06 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Jul 24 13:59:21 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Camel Mounted Robots In-Reply-To: <20050719004411.63635.qmail@web51910.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Jul 18, 2005 05:44:11 PM Message-ID: <20050724205906.40403.qmail@mall-net.com> Camel mounted robots conquor the race tracks in Arabia, replacing underage hominids pmce ised as jockeys. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7705 -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From Vesta111 at aol.com Mon Jul 25 09:01:44 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 25 09:02:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out New Scientist Breaking News - Robo-pups created with curiosity in m Message-ID: <1d4.40929af2.301666e8@aol.com> _New Scientist Breaking News - Robo-pups created with curiosity in mind_ (http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7561) Now this freaks me out. I can think of at least 3 female friends that are closing in on their 60ies and they still collect dolls. Most of my male friends collect toys too. Remember when the Furbys arrived ? As a grown adult I had to spend hundreds of dollars to get 5 of them and spend HOURS teaching them to talk and interact with each other. I lost interest when they reached their learning limit. So now we may have these damn things to go ga-ga over. Worse, what happens when some genius gets the idea of a Robo-baby ? It will look and act like an 8 month old human child. Any parents dream, the baby never grows up, just stays a wonderful infant forever. It will learn to react with smiles when it "sees" anyone who it has been exposed to at least twice before. It will cry when treated in a careless way, dropped or squeezed or shaken, not stirred. All the normal stuff of a child that age, it will crawl, have a limited vocabulary but will learn and follow directions far in advance of its age. No feeding or diaper changes, no babysitter for the kid, It will learn to interact with its pet, the Robo-Dog or Cat. It won't walk but will pull itself up on furniture and show its desire to sit in humans laps. The baby will nuzzle into your arms, coo, smile, bat its sleep little eyes and go to sleep sucking its little thumb. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! Who would want one? Everyone. Government could place these things with people who they FEEL should not for some reason breed. People that cannot have children and ageing folks going through empty nest needs. Kind of reminds me of Gessipie and his wooden boy, Pinnoccieo. Would I want a Robo-Baby, heck no. Now a Robo-Rottweller, that's another kettle of fish.I would give 5 years of my life for that one. As much as I love the breed alive and breathing, I can't in my wildest dreams know how I would feel about a Robo-Rottie. WOW Regards Vesta To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050725/4b90a40d/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jul 25 12:15:28 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Jul 25 12:15:31 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out New Scientist Breaking News - Robo-pups In-Reply-To: <1d4.40929af2.301666e8@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jul 25, 2005 12:01:44 PM Message-ID: <20050725191528.63817.qmail@mall-net.com> > It will look and act like an 8 month old human child. Any parents dream, > the baby never grows up, just stays a wonderful infant forever. It will learn > to react with smiles when it "sees" anyone who it has been exposed to at > least twice before. Ta-DAAAAHHHH!!!!! Airlift 10 million to half a billion of them and parachute them over China! (And a few other places. Do put solar collectors on their heads first, though.) The government will eventually realize it's in their interest to let them be... And if not, then the people will get Really Really upset at the government destroying them. Too late, they will realize their population has not stabilized; but has imploded. -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Jul 27 06:45:37 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Jul 27 06:45:49 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A thought for today Message-ID: <001501c592b1$792e20a0$6401a8c0@mikey> Wars are waged by governments; governments negotiate treaties. But Peace comes from the People, one individual at a time. If disparate individuals can agree on small hopes, the realization of Big Dreams will surely follow. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050727/05759822/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Jul 27 08:03:27 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 27 08:03:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A thought for today Message-ID: In a message dated 7/27/2005 9:46:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mbest@triad.rr.com writes: Wars are waged by governments; governments negotiate treaties. But Peace comes from the People, one individual at a time. If disparate individuals can agree on small hopes, the realization of Big Dreams will surely follow. ------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- That sounds really fine, however, have you ever served on a committee? Regards Vesta "No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050727/69859b4e/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jul 27 10:53:01 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Jul 27 10:53:26 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A thought for today In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jul 27, 2005 11:03:27 AM Message-ID: <20050727175301.55855.qmail@mall-net.com> > Wars are waged by governments; governments negotiate treaties. But Peace > comes from the People, one individual at a time. If disparate individuals can > agree on small hopes, the realization of Big Dreams will surely follow. > ------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------- > That sounds really fine, however, have you ever served on a committee? I think most Germans didn't like what was being done to the Jews. But they just didn't want to join them in the death camps. I think it was the King of Denmark who, when the Jews among his people were forced to wear a patch or armband with the Star of David, said "We are all Jews" and wore the patch himself. With that act, he defeated Hitler's program. It takes a people acting together. -javilk- mall-net.com ------------------- IMAGINEERING -------------------- --------------- Every click, a vote. ---------------- ----- Do people vote for, or against your pages? ---- -- What people want: http://www.SitePsych.com/free -- ----------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2005, Copyright retained. All rights reserverd. From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Jul 28 10:02:09 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 28 10:02:28 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A thought for today Message-ID: In a message dated 7/27/2005 1:53:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: I think it was the King of Denmark who, when the Jews among his people were forced to wear a patch or armband with the Star of David, said "We are all Jews" and wore the patch himself. With that act, he defeated Hitler's program. It takes a people acting together. Wasn't that King Christienson ? Spelling ?? You will be hard pressed to find another leader or subjects who would show such unselfishness or perhaps regard for survival then those remarkable Danes. In a way, they put the world to shame. We Americans knew what was going on in Europe with the German Solution. Yet, we sat on our butts hoping everything would go away, keep the problems over there. It was Pearl Harbor, Japan and Germany declaring war that got us moving. Denmarks King placed Hitler in a rock behind a bad place. Hitler could not spare troops to lock up everyone in a whole country. While the world was in panic, decisions made with knee jerk mentality, insanity the rule not the exception, Denmark not only kept its cool, it prepared for the problem and when it came they faced it with common sense, pride, and an " up yours " attitude. That Country had backbone, As Louis Lamore would say, the people had Sand. It will be impossible to find that mentality anywhere in the world today, that is a one of a kind national smarts that has never been seen before or will ever be seen again. " Sob" Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to ple -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050728/ec378f8d/attachment.html From FMoore at POCO.com Thu Jul 28 11:17:32 2005 From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank) Date: Thu Jul 28 11:17:40 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Speaking of Denmark... Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747012EAC85@pzisexch.poco.com> It appears that Denmark and Canada are having a wee turf war over a tiny chunk of tundra 'tween Baffin Island and Greenland. http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/07/28/canada.denmark.reut/ Frank F. Moore Project Scientist Poco Graphite, Inc. 300 Old Greenwood Rd. Decatur, TX 76234 Ph: 940-393-4360 Fax: 940-393-8383 FMoore@poco.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050728/88714025/attachment.html From FMoore at POCO.com Thu Jul 28 11:21:19 2005 From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank) Date: Thu Jul 28 11:21:23 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Speaking of Denmark...(Errata) Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747012EAC89@pzisexch.poco.com> Oopps... Make that Ellesmere Island. :-/ ________________________________ From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of Moore, Frank Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:18 PM To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Speaking of Denmark... It appears that Denmark and Canada are having a wee turf war over a tiny chunk of tundra 'tween Baffin Island and Greenland. http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/07/28/canada.denmark.reut/ Frank F. Moore Project Scientist Poco Graphite, Inc. 300 Old Greenwood Rd. Decatur, TX 76234 Ph: 940-393-4360 Fax: 940-393-8383 FMoore@poco.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050728/45a68304/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Thu Jul 28 19:16:06 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Thu Jul 28 19:33:19 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Perpetual motion??? Message-ID: <006601c593e3$80b238b0$6401a8c0@mikey> Another perpetual motor built in Russia 07/23/2005 12:41 For the last five years the inventor has been waiting for official recognition of his device Vyacheslav Strushchenko decided to invent a magnetic motor in 1975. The inventor read more than a hundred books to gain necessary knowledge. For many times Vyacheslav gave up working on his project due to mental strain. Finally, he put all the parts together. The work took him just a week yet it took him 25 years to come up with the final version of the model. Article: http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/15849_perpetual.html From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Jul 28 19:52:25 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Jul 28 19:52:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Perpetual motion??? In-Reply-To: <006601c593e3$80b238b0$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Jul 28, 2005 10:16:06 PM Message-ID: <20050729025225.91585.qmail@mall-net.com> > Vyacheslav Strushchenko decided to invent a magnetic motor in 1975. The > Article: > http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/15849_perpetual.html Is this the jurisdiction of the Physics police, or the God Police? Or do we have to wait till we find out whom he's stealing energy from? I mean, if you really want to have energy, Prime energy, you have to blow something up! Molecules, atoms, sub atomic particles... Has to be something that goes Boom in some way! (I'm fusion powered. My panels catch photons generated by the fusion in the sun.) This guy is stealing energy from somewhere! I think it's from the guy turning the crank. So why has he not coupled the flywheel to the crank? Because it will run down rather than sustain itself. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no physicist, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as physicsl advice. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 23:10:13 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Jul 28 23:10:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] More evidence for cavitation-induced nuclear fusion (peer-reviewed) In-Reply-To: <000101c58c17$68fec270$6401a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050729061013.88585.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> GOOD STUFF! THANKS FOR SHARING IT. I'VE BEEN GONE FOR TWO WEEKS NOW, AT AN ENVIRON-MENTAL FACILITY TRYING TO DEAL WITH, AND COPE WITH, THE SEVERE STRESS THAT I HAVE BEEN UNDER. THE STRESS CONTINUES STILL. I MAY HAVE TO GO TO A DRUG REHAB FACILITY TO TRY TO REMOVE PAST USEAGE OF DEPOKOTE (VALPROIC ACID) FROM MY SYSYTEM, AMONG OTHER DRUGS THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO ME. I MAY HAVE LIVER DAMAGE, LUNG DAMAGE, AND HEART DAMAGE, FOR THE WAY THAT I FEEL. I FEEL LIKE HELL. I'M GONNA GO FOR NOW. THE FUSION WEBLINK IS ONE OF THE BEST THAT I'VE SEEN. THANKS AGAIN. CLYDE Michael Best wrote: A key component of the experiment was a glass test chamber about the size of two coffee mugs filled with a liquid called deuterated acetone, which contains a form of hydrogen known as deuterium, or heavy hydrogen. The researchers exposed the test chamber to subatomic particles called neutrons and then bombarded the liquid with a specific frequency of ultrasound, which caused cavities to form into tiny bubbles. The bubbles then expanded to a much larger size before imploding, apparently with enough force to cause thermonuclear fusion reactions. Fusion reactions emit neutrons that fall within a specific energy range of 2.5 mega-electron volts, which was the level of energy seen in neutrons produced in the experiment. The experiments also yielded a radioactive material called tritium, which is another product of fusion, Xu and Butt said. http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/2005/050712.Xu.fusion.html _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050728/410efb93/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 00:11:34 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 29 00:11:38 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Perpetual motion??? In-Reply-To: <20050729025225.91585.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050729071135.96963.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH METRONOMES, PERMANENENT MAGNETISM, AND REVOLUTION SPEED (VELOCITY) TIME (R.P.M.). AS SOME SAY: TIMING IS EVERYTHING!!! I CAN'T SAY THAT I KNOW IT WOULD WORK, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO CONTINUOUSLY EXPERIMENT AND TINKER, WITH ALL OF THE COOL, KICK ASS, HIGH CLASS, SCIENCE PARTS AND TOYS THAT I WANT TO HAVE, AND THAT I HAVE WANTED TO HAVE FOR SO FUCKING GODDAMNED AND MANDAMNED LONG. THE STANK ("BANK") OF OKLAHOMA, OWE'S EVERY ONE OF US CITIZENS, OF THIS FUCKING INDUSTRIAL WASTELAND SLUM STATE OF OKLAHOMA, A BIG, FAT, BILLION DOLLAR PAYCHECK, FOR THEIR ENDLESS GREED AND WASTE. CLYDE javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > Vyacheslav Strushchenko decided to invent a magnetic motor in 1975. The > Article: > http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/15849_perpetual.html Is this the jurisdiction of the Physics police, or the God Police? Or do we have to wait till we find out whom he's stealing energy from? I mean, if you really want to have energy, Prime energy, you have to blow something up! Molecules, atoms, sub atomic particles... Has to be something that goes Boom in some way! (I'm fusion powered. My panels catch photons generated by the fusion in the sun.) This guy is stealing energy from somewhere! I think it's from the guy turning the crank. So why has he not coupled the flywheel to the crank? 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In-Reply-To: <20050729071135.96963.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 29, 2005 12:11:34 AM Message-ID: <20050729074824.22809.qmail@mall-net.com> Good to hear you are still with us! > MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH METRONOMES, > PERMANENENT MAGNETISM, AND REVOLUTION SPEED > (VELOCITY) TIME (R.P.M.). Much of this is already looked at quite thoroughly. You are not going to get much out of something fixed like a fixed magnetic field in an object. But... If you can find another field moving, something like the field of the planet, or something else, you can tap it for energy... but you will be stealing it from somewhere. And sooner or later, that gas tank will run dry. (Try not to steal from the moon, we don't want it falling on us.) > AS SOME SAY: TIMING IS EVERYTHING!!! > I CAN'T SAY THAT I KNOW IT WOULD WORK, BECAUSE > I DON'T HAVE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE > TO CONTINUOUSLY EXPERIMENT AND TINKER, WITH ALL > OF THE COOL, KICK ASS, HIGH CLASS, SCIENCE PARTS > AND TOYS THAT I WANT TO HAVE, AND THAT I HAVE > WANTED TO HAVE FOR SO FUCKING GODDAMNED > AND MANDAMNED LONG. First you have to have a good understanding of what is known, then act like a good physics lawyer -- find the loopholes! > THE STANK ("BANK") OF OKLAHOMA, OWE'S EVERY > ONE OF US CITIZENS, OF THIS FUCKING INDUSTRIAL > WASTELAND SLUM STATE OF OKLAHOMA, A BIG, FAT, > BILLION DOLLAR PAYCHECK, FOR THEIR ENDLESS GREED > AND WASTE. Nah. There are plenty of folks who live frugally, don't buy new toys, etc. Especially in Oklahoma. Me, I'd really like to see the effects of that magnetic motor. I'm sure it doesn't really work as perpetual energy... but I'm curious how he's rigged it, and whether he realizes it, or not. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 04:55:03 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 29 04:55:14 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Perpetual motion??? In-Reply-To: <20050729074824.22809.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050729115503.61606.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> OK. I DO SAY THAT WE ALL NEED,,,, OR SHOULD I SAY; THAT MANY OF US NEED; MICRO POWER PLANTS OF OUR OWN, FOR SMALL SCALE POWER PRODUCTION. I HAVE DREAMED OF OWNING MY OWN SMALL SCALE AND REDUNDANT, MICRO POWER PLANT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME NOW. BUT THE STRESS THAT I AM NOW UNDER IN MY LIFE, IS KILLING ME. AND I FEAR THAT THE STRESS THAT I AM UNDER, IS GOING TO BE THE EARLY DEATH OF ME, IF THERE IS NOTHING THAT I CAN DO ABOUT IT. Good to hear you are still with us! > MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH METRONOMES, > PERMANENENT MAGNETISM, AND REVOLUTION SPEED > (VELOCITY) TIME (R.P.M.). Much of this is already looked at quite thoroughly. You are not going to get much out of something fixed like a fixed magnetic field in an object. But... If you can find another field moving, something like the field of the planet, or something else, you can tap it for energy... but you will be stealing it from somewhere. And sooner or later, that gas tank will run dry. (Try not to steal from the moon, we don't want it falling on us.) > AS SOME SAY: TIMING IS EVERYTHING!!! > I CAN'T SAY THAT I KNOW IT WOULD WORK, BECAUSE > I DON'T HAVE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE > TO CONTINUOUSLY EXPERIMENT AND TINKER, WITH ALL > OF THE COOL, KICK ASS, HIGH CLASS, SCIENCE PARTS > AND TOYS THAT I WANT TO HAVE, AND THAT I HAVE > WANTED TO HAVE FOR SO FUCKING GODDAMNED > AND MANDAMNED LONG. First you have to have a good understanding of what is known, then act like a good physics lawyer -- find the loopholes! > THE STANK ("BANK") OF OKLAHOMA, OWE'S EVERY > ONE OF US CITIZENS, OF THIS FUCKING INDUSTRIAL > WASTELAND SLUM STATE OF OKLAHOMA, A BIG, FAT, > BILLION DOLLAR PAYCHECK, FOR THEIR ENDLESS GREED > AND WASTE. Nah. There are plenty of folks who live frugally, don't buy new toys, etc. Especially in Oklahoma. Me, I'd really like to see the effects of that magnetic motor. I'm sure it doesn't really work as perpetual energy... but I'm curious how he's rigged it, and whether he realizes it, or not. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ANY SO-CALLED RIGGING; I WANT A MAG MOTOR THAT HAS ELEMENTARY DESIGN TECHNIQUES, AND ONE THAT WORKS; LIKE THE FARADAY DISK DYNAMO GENERATOR. THAT IS AN AREA WHERE I WANT TO DO SOME EXPERIMENTATION. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050729/dc8d7d1a/attachment-0001.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 29 05:18:27 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Fri Jul 29 05:18:37 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Thoughts on Russian PM "perpetual motion" motor Message-ID: <008301c59437$a07f3310$6401a8c0@mikey> I theorize that this motor is driven by entropy. Permanent magnets are highly ordered, with magnetic domains (electron spin) all aligned. This is a low entropy condition. Increasing the entropy of the magnet, by disordering the magnetic domains, will release energy. So the magnets slowly lose their magnetism, as energy is extracted from the motor. I also think this is the principle behind the Searle device. -MB From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 07:26:22 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 29 07:26:27 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A SHOT OF MORPHINE. Message-ID: <20050729142622.75016.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> I WISH THAT I COULD GET A SHOT OF MORPHINE FOR THE WAY THAT I FEEL NOW. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050729/faf0a0b4/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 07:27:05 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 29 07:27:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Tulsa Oklahoma. Message-ID: <20050729142705.97563.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Tulsa Oklahoma: Forever half assed. Forever go nowhere fast. Where progress and success never ever last. Dark clouds and a full moon always overcast. Industrial slum / Industrial wasteland. Podunk New York Shitty; Tulsa Oklahoma. COPYRIGHT (C) 2005, BY CLYDE LOFTON --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050729/d83378a3/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 07:28:44 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 29 07:28:49 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (CENSORED VERSION:) More Tulsa Oklahoma. Message-ID: <20050729142844.53866.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> More Tulsa Oklahoma: This fascist-communist c------- -n----r industrial slum wasteland, of Tulsa Oklahoma; Is built on a financial, economic, and ecological sinkhole. I hope Downtown Tulsa sinks and falls into the shit sands of the Arkansas river that this fucking slum is built upon; Because this shitty is forever half assed, it forever goes nowhere fast, and it is also a perfect place where progress and success never ever last. This slum shitty might as well go to hell. This insane slum, called Tulsa Oklahoma. COPYRIGHT (C) 2005, BY CLYDE LOFTON. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050729/f704af54/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 07:40:26 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 29 07:40:30 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I PRAY WITH ALL OF MY MIND AND HEART. Message-ID: <20050729144026.82574.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> I PRAY WITH ALL OF MY MIND AND HEART, THAT SINKHOLE CENTRAL (DOWNTOWN TULSA), SINKS AND FALLS OVER, INTO THE SHIT SANDS, OF THE ARKANSAS RIVER. I HATE THIS FUCKING SHITTY OF TULSA; NOT EVEN WORTHY OF BEING CLASSIFIED AS A TRUE CITY, IF IT EVEN EVER FUCKING WAS, IN THE FIRST PLACE. CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050729/051bb7f0/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Fri Jul 29 07:51:23 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 29 07:51:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out FunReports.Com: Russian bakers pose naked to promote bread and buns Message-ID: _FunReports.Com: Russian bakers pose naked to promote bread and buns_ (http://funreports.com/fun/18-07-2005/1240-0) To me, my yellow brick road just happens to be links on questionable web sites. Long time ago, in the 60ies. I got a hold of my grandpas short wave radio. Even as a little kid I knew when the bull crap was flying. The stuff that was broadcast from Russia was so nutty, Mom and I would just fall apart laughing. I cannot trust anything coming our of Russia, be it newspaper, radio or t.v. >.>>>> Mr. Strushchenko is confident that simplicity is a key word to any great invention. His wonder motor is made of a few magnets and pieces of metal. These days his neighbors knock on his door pretty often. They want to see the magic machine running. With the official recognition still waiting in the wings, the inventor spends his time grinding knives. <<<<<<<<<< Come on now, can't you see and tell when your legs are being pulled. The link I am sending to you sounds reasonable. This Pravda paper reminds me of the National Inquirer regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050729/b3d901b8/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 09:59:14 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 29 09:59:20 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REVISED; WITH E-MAIL CORRESPONDENCE: Clean Air Standards, And Water Quality Standards. In-Reply-To: <20050714003113.88748.qmail@web80706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050729165914.93832.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> jeff doye wrote: I think we have good water and air. You're to critical. WELL YEAH, I AM CRITICAL, BUT NOTHING GOOD WOULD HAPPEN, AND THINGS WOULD GO A LOT WORSE, IF THERE WAS NO ONE WHO WAS/IS EVER CRITICAL. I'VE SEEN FIRST HAND AT HOW SHITTY THAT THE MUNICPIAL WATER IS, WITH A WATER ELECTROLYZING APPARATUS, BACK IN 1995. ALL OF THE CHLORINE, AND WHATEVER THE FUCK ELSE IS IN THE CRAP WATER IS ONLY A CLOAK, AS TO WHAT IT COVERS UP. THE ACIDITY, AND / OR ALKALINITY OF THE CRAP (TAP) WATER, IS JUST WAY TOO HIGH, AND IS A BIG REASON, IF NOT THE MAIN REASON, WHY SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS INDUSTRIAL SLUM, HAVE TEETH THAT ENDLESSLY ROT OUT. THE SUMMERTIME AIR OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW, IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO BREATHE. THE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS THAT I'VE BEEN GIVEN, HAVE MADE BREATHING THE AIR A MORE DIFFICULT THING TO DO, DURING THE SMOG AND DUST CLOUD COVERED SUMMER SKY, IN THIS FUCKING INDUSTRIAL WASTELAND SLUM. TALK TO YOU LATER; CLYDE. clyde lofton wrote: Clean air standards, and water quality standards in this worthless industrial slum of Tulsa have been severly undermined for a hell of a long time. Can we the people of the shitty of Tulsa start to take control of the health standards of this slum-so-called-city??? Clyde Lofton --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050729/15691f37/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 09:59:55 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Jul 29 10:00:01 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REVISED; WITH E-MAIL CORRESPONDENCE: Everybody's sick. In-Reply-To: <20050714002750.67145.qmail@web80721.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050729165955.35304.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> jeff doye wrote: No we're not. Did you hear we won the election? No recall! YES; NO RECALL. IT'S DAMN GOOD TOO. CHRIS MEDLOCK AND JIM MAUTINO NEED TO STAY, TO KEEP TRUE LAW AND ORDER IN THE MUNICIPAL GOVT. BECAUSE IF THEY WEREN'T THERE, THIS SLUM SHITTY OF TULSA WOULD SINK EVEN FURTHER AND FASTER, INTO THE GODDAMNED AND MANDAMNED SHIT SLUM SINKHOLE THAT IT IS BUILT UPON. I ALREADY SEE SINKHOLE CENTRAL (DOWNTOWN TULSA), FALLING AND SINKING INTO THE SHIFTING SHIT SANDS, OF THE ARKANSAS RIVER, THAT IT IS BUILT UPON. THE BIBLE SAYS: BUILD A HOUSE UPON A ROCK, BUT THE FOUNDATIONS OF THIS SHITTY OF TULSA, ARE BUILT UPON THE ENDLESS SHIFTING SHIT SLUM SANDS OF THE ARKAN-SHIT RIVER. TALK TO YOU LATER; CLYDE clyde lofton wrote: Everybody's sick of this fucking industrial slum of Tulsa Oklahoma. Clyde Lofton --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050729/e2180c07/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 29 10:18:09 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 29 10:18:16 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Thoughts on Russian PM "perpetual motion" motor In-Reply-To: <008301c59437$a07f3310$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Jul 29, 2005 08:18:27 AM Message-ID: <20050729171809.41099.qmail@mall-net.com> > > I theorize that this motor is driven by entropy. > > Permanent magnets are highly ordered, with magnetic domains (electron spin) > all aligned. This is a low entropy condition. Increasing the entropy of > the magnet, by disordering the magnetic domains, will release energy. So > the magnets slowly lose their magnetism, as energy is extracted from the > motor. But how much energy can be stored in a magnetic field? Just from the description, a multiplication factor of four, it would seem, unless he keeps replacing the magnets quite often, that he gets more energy out than it takes to magnetize iron. So where is the energy coming from? Are the magnets actually acting to pull energy from somewhere else? > I also think this is the principle behind the Searle device. Detailed URL? Description? -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 29 10:29:48 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 29 10:29:51 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out FunReports.Com: Russian bakers pose In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jul 29, 2005 10:51:23 AM Message-ID: <20050729172948.54917.qmail@mall-net.com> > Come on now, can't you see and tell when your legs are being pulled. The > link I am sending to you sounds reasonable. This Pravda paper reminds me of the > National Inquirer Izvestia and Pravda. News, and Truth. As the Russians wouldd say, there is no news in the Truth, and no truth in the News. But... sometimes... you find strange things which, when looked at by an intelligent mind, show things not quite expected, revealing new principles. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no physicist, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as physics advice. From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 29 10:39:03 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Fri Jul 29 10:39:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Perpetual motion, media lies, and prejudice Message-ID: <003801c59464$69ec9540$6401a8c0@mikey> > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:51:23 EDT > From: Vesta111@aol.co > Long time ago, in the 60ies. I got a hold of my grandpas short wave radio. > Even as a little kid I knew when the bull crap was flying. The stuff that was > broadcast from Russia was so nutty, Mom and I would just fall apart laughing. > I cannot trust anything coming our of Russia, be it newspaper, radio or t.v. Well, I trust the Russians more than the Chinese! And I am an amateur radio operator, and have had a SW receiver since I was six years old. I have heard all of what amused Vesta, and every night talk personally with those he laughs at. You should try it sometime- it is an enlightening experience. And I consider Pravda to be just as valid a news source as the NAACP, Farrakan's _Front Page_ (hawked on street corners by muslims in business suits), the _National Enquirer_, and a plethora of other yellow rags pursuing a private agenda. The MSM, IMHO, is on a jihad to sell all of us a pack of lies, led by the liberal special interest groups. I am an American, without any hyphens. I read many news sources, and then sort through the dreck to find the truth. When I find an interesting nugget, I pass it along for others to think about. >.>>>> Mr. Strushchenko is confident that simplicity is a key word to any great invention. His wonder motor is made of a few magnets and pieces of metal. These days his neighbors knock on his door pretty often. They want to see the magic machine running. With the official recognition still waiting in the wings, the inventor spends his time grinding knives. <<<<<<<<<< > Come on now, can't you see and tell when your legs are being pulled. Yep, every time I read something from the NAACP, the Nation of Islam, and most reports from the US Government! However, dismissing another's opinion out-of-hand is nothing but blind prejudice. > The > link I am sending to you sounds reasonable. This Pravda paper reminds me of the > National Inquirer As do most Neolib rags. BTW, it is spelled "Enquirer." -MB From Vesta111 at aol.com Fri Jul 29 10:52:41 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 29 10:52:56 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out FunReports.Com: Russian bakers pose Message-ID: <214.5be3a75.301bc6e9@aol.com> In a message dated 7/29/2005 1:30:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: But... sometimes... you find strange things which, when looked at by an intelligent mind, show things not quite expected, revealing new principles. The word" intelligent" bothers me. Are you sure you don't mean "A curious mind" Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050729/dd073256/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 29 11:19:51 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 29 11:19:56 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Perpetual motion??? In-Reply-To: <20050729115503.61606.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 29, 2005 04:55:03 AM Message-ID: <20050729181952.11938.qmail@mall-net.com> > OK. > I DO SAY THAT WE ALL NEED,,,, OR SHOULD > I SAY; THAT MANY OF US NEED; MICRO > POWER PLANTS OF OUR OWN, FOR SMALL > SCALE POWER PRODUCTION. > I HAVE DREAMED OF OWNING MY OWN > SMALL SCALE AND REDUNDANT, MICRO > POWER PLANT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME NOW. > BUT THE STRESS THAT I AM NOW UNDER IN > MY LIFE, IS KILLING ME. > AND I FEAR THAT THE STRESS THAT I AM > UNDER, IS GOING TO BE THE EARLY DEATH > OF ME, IF THERE IS NOTHING THAT I CAN DO > ABOUT IT. I feel for you, Clyde. I've been through some hard times where others around me had no hope that I would live. And if I hadn't gotten out of there, I wouldn't have. So what are your options? Have you started looking for work in Colorado? Elsewhere? Did you get a half-mask respirator and try wearing the HEPA filters for a day or two, then charcoal filters? Did that change anything? Have you tried reading any inspiring fiction, like Ringworld or sequels by Niven? I finished Ringworld's Children a while back. Did you go looking for interesting things to photograph? Things to open the eyes in your mind. The important thing is to keep trying to change things. That way, things will change. My own situation is that I have to move. I can't go down into the cesspool of the Valley anymore, except quick forays with someone else as a driver. A little better on the other side of the ridge; but still, no long time in any city. I've been looking at property tax data, contacting people to see if they want someone to watch over their property while paying them rent. When I was able to work in the valley, I'd pick up the phone and make 100 calls a day to companies in the area, talking to, on an average, of 30 - 35 people each day about what their needs were. (Most calls hit voice mail; it wasn't worth leaving a call-back number, as that would disrupt my pattern.) When I'd hit the 100, I usually quit for the day. I'd work 9:30 to 11:30, 1:30 to maybe 4 or 4;30, though sometimes I'd end up pushing to 6, switching from industry to agencies around 4:30. One day, a really bad day, I hit 150 calls. Why bad? Not enough people wanted to talk, and a lot of people were out of the office. So I wanted to see how many I could hit before 4;30 came around. A really good day is where I get to talk to one or two people for 15 minutes about their needs, and I have to hit the agencies after 4;30 because I've not made my 100 calls yet. It was about THEIR needs and THEIR work that I'd get THEM to talk about, not mine. Once I got them talking, I just listened, tossing out a comment here or there about what I had encountered that was similar to their work. I asked questions, intelligent questions, often making them think; but offering enough that they saw I was a good guy who knew a lot of stuff. I always got work; though sometimes it took three to six months of calling to find the right guy with the right problem. Yes, sometimes it took over 10,000 No's to find a Yes. But I knew that if I didn't look for those Yeses, I'd never find them! And my hourly rates reflected that; about 50 to 100% higher than the average employee. I'd run across some really nice guys, some really fascinating problems, and sure, some guys who would just hang up on me. The hard part was finding the style that worked for me. I kept statistics, tried different approaches, etc. And I looked at the statistics reports every evening! That's what showed me when I had a bad telephone headset, when this approach or that approach worked or didn't, etc. I miss those days, and a lot of those guys. When I called the better ones back after half or three quarters of a year working on some project, they'd say they missed me too. You see, they got to talk to someone who Listened! And just about anyone wants someone to listen to them, to show they care, to give them some encouragement. Kind of like what I am doing here. As my grandfather told me when I was about 3 years old, "There are always ways. You just have to find them." That was the best, and most important advice I've ever been given. Number two, would be my father's hard fast rule that I leaned watching and helping him repair industrial equipment in his spare time: don't change the problem by trying to fix it till you've done the diagnosis and proved that that the diagnosis is correct. it seems a lot of problems are caused much further upstream; so if you don't find the cause, you just change the symptoms and never get it right. (Kind of how modern medicine operates, no?) So start making a list of your options. Get creative about it. Start another list of your issues, problem areas which you would like to improve upon. Add ideas as they come to you. Many times it is easier to just bypass problems, or solve upstream problems that cause the problems where you are now.s We're rooting for you, Clyde. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jul 29 11:22:07 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Jul 29 11:22:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out FunReports.Com: Russian bakers pose In-Reply-To: <214.5be3a75.301bc6e9@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jul 29, 2005 01:52:41 PM Message-ID: <20050729182207.13594.qmail@mall-net.com> > But... sometimes... you find strange things which, when looked at > by an intelligent mind, show things not quite expected, revealing new > principles. > The word" intelligent" bothers me. Are you sure you don't mean "A curious > mind" Well, I suppose even an idiot who flips the right switch will find something out when the lights come on... But it really helps if that mind is both curious and intelligent. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 29 17:05:18 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Fri Jul 29 17:05:25 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A few links on the Searle Effect Message-ID: <006201c5949a$5f379600$6401a8c0@mikey> http://www.americanantigravity.com/godinroschin.html http://www.esotericscience.com/FreeEnergy.aspx http://www.rexresearch.com/searl/searl.htm http://amasci.com/freenrg/n-mach.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 29 22:26:24 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Fri Jul 29 22:26:30 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Sol 10??? Message-ID: <000401c594c7$3a526bd0$6401a8c0@mikey> Astronomers claim discovery of 10th planet LOS ANGELES (AP) - Astronomers announced Friday that they have discovered a new planet larger than Pluto in orbit around the sun, likely renewing debate over what exactly is a planet and whether Pluto should keep its status. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2005-07-29-planet_x.htm?csp=24&RM _Exclude=Juno From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Jul 30 07:40:55 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Jul 30 07:41:02 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Quantum theory of gravity Message-ID: <001901c59514$b191bcd0$6401a8c0@mikey> http://rolfguthmann.sites.uol.com.br/English/index.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jul 30 10:06:16 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Jul 30 10:06:22 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Quantum theory of gravity In-Reply-To: <001901c59514$b191bcd0$6401a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050730170616.77303.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> I LIKE THIS WEBLINK. I DO WISH THOUGH, THAT THERE COULD BE MORE TIME FOR ME TO READ ABOUT THE MANY DIFFERENT TOPICS ON THAT SITE. HANDS ON PROJECTS ARE WHAT I YEARN TO DO, ALWAYS. BUT WHERE DOES LIMITLESS MONEY COME FROM; FOR ENDLESS SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENTAL CREATIVITY, THAT I SO DEARLY YEARN FOR, AND LOVE? I'VE LOST MOST OF MY LOVE FOR LIFE, BECAUSE THERE IS JUST NOT MUCH LIFE TO LIVE. LIFE IS BOTH SAD AND MAD. CLYDE Michael Best wrote: http://rolfguthmann.sites.uol.com.br/English/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050730/6d16e5eb/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Jul 30 16:59:30 2005 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 30 16:59:42 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out WELCOME TO EXIT MUNDI: A COLLECTION OF END-OF-WORLD SCENARIOS Message-ID: <129.61fd52c3.301d6e62@aol.com> _WELCOME TO EXIT MUNDI: A COLLECTION OF END-OF-WORLD SCENARIOS_ (http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm) I found this while following links, sad to say this is no fun. Regards Vesta No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050730/3645173f/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Jul 30 19:03:19 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Jul 30 19:03:36 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out WELCOME TO EXIT MUNDI: A COLLECTION OF In-Reply-To: <129.61fd52c3.301d6e62@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jul 30, 2005 07:59:30 PM Message-ID: <20050731020319.61658.qmail@mall-net.com> > _WELCOME TO EXIT MUNDI: A COLLECTION OF END-OF-WORLD SCENARIOS_ > (http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm) > > I found this while following links, sad to say this is no fun. Whie we keep seeing Hell better and better, and seem to be trying to get there, it just keeps getting further and further. Plan for tomorrow. Because if you do not plan, tomorrow will surprise you. And not always pleasantly. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Jul 30 19:52:33 2005 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Jul 30 19:52:41 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] momma nature is a witch Message-ID: <003a01c5957a$e73de870$6401a8c0@mikey> http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?eo20050731cp.htm Nature never tries to be nice By CONSTANTINE PLESHAKOV MOSCOW -- Planet Earth, aka Mother Nature, is a sturdy killer. Preachers, environmentalists and sunset lovers keep trying to persuade us that it is as benevolent and fragile as a loving aging parent. Not at all. The environment we live in is hard-nosed and violent -- hardly a mother figure but rather a mean impartial witch. Do we hurt nature when we dump oil into the ocean or radioactive waste into mountain caves? No, we just hurt our own species. As for nature, it changes for sure, losing fish and weeds, but as an entity it does not suffer the least bit. Earth has gone through gigantic transformations over millions of years. It has lost a zillion species and a few continents in the process -- and hardly noticed. Nature is not about nice healthy woods and crystal clean brooks, pristine coral reefs and frolicking lion cubs. It's just out there, evolving. It has survived an asteroid impact and will certainly survive our worst abuse. I don't like the idea of cosmetics being tested on animals. Medicines, however, are another matter. Even if we kill every single rat and monkey on Earth in the process of getting a cure for AIDS, it is definitely worth it. A radical animal-rights advocate will go ballistic hearing a line like that. His likely response will be that you should not take a life to save one. Interestingly enough, feeling so self-righteous and protective toward animals, a person like that at the same time feeds on other people's misery -- as we all do, of course. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Jul 31 00:28:36 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Jul 31 00:28:44 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Perpetual motion??? In-Reply-To: <20050729181952.11938.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050731072836.31716.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > OK. > I DO SAY THAT WE ALL NEED,,,, OR SHOULD > I SAY; THAT MANY OF US NEED; MICRO > POWER PLANTS OF OUR OWN, FOR SMALL > SCALE POWER PRODUCTION. > I HAVE DREAMED OF OWNING MY OWN > SMALL SCALE AND REDUNDANT, MICRO > POWER PLANT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME NOW. > BUT THE STRESS THAT I AM NOW UNDER IN > MY LIFE, IS KILLING ME. > AND I FEAR THAT THE STRESS THAT I AM > UNDER, IS GOING TO BE THE EARLY DEATH > OF ME, IF THERE IS NOTHING THAT I CAN DO > ABOUT IT. I feel for you, Clyde. I've been through some hard times where others around me had no hope that I would live. And if I hadn't gotten out of there, I wouldn't have. I'VE GOTTA MOVE. So what are your options? VERY MINIMAL AND SMALL. Have you started looking for work in Colorado? Elsewhere? NO, NOT YET; BUT I DID GET INFORMATION FOR CONTACTING MANY MENTAL HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS IN COLORADO IF I DECIDE TO FIND A PLACE UP THERE, WHERE I CAN STAY AND LIVE. Did you get a half-mask respirator and try wearing the HEPA filters for a day or two, then charcoal filters? Did that change anything? I NEED TO, STILL. ANTIMONEY IS AN IMPEDENCE RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS LOOKING INTO THE PURCHASE OF THAT GAS AND DUST MASK IS CONCERNED. Have you tried reading any inspiring fiction, like Ringworld or sequels by Niven? I finished Ringworld's Children a while back. NOPE, NOT INTERESTED IN FICTION. IT WAS EVEN A MAJOR CHORE WHEN I RECENTLY CHECKED OUT THE HOMERS ODDESSY BOOK, TO SOLELY AND SPECIFICALLY SEARCH THE BOOK, TO FIND THE PART OF THE CHAPTER WHICH MENTIONS ABOUT THE LOTUS EATERS. Did you go looking for interesting things to photograph? Things to open the eyes in your mind. NOT YET; TOO MANY PROBLEMS IN SO-CALLED LIFE, THAT ARE INTERFERING. The important thing is to keep trying to change things. That way, things will change. I'M TRYING, BUT PROGRESS IN THIS INDUSTRIAL SLUM INDUSTRIAL WASTELAND, OF TULSA, IS SLOWER THAN A GOD DAMNED TURTLE. My own situation is that I have to move. I can't go down into the cesspool of the Valley anymore, I DON'T REALLY LIKE GOING TO DOWNTOWN ANYMORE, HERE IN TULSA, IT IS AN ABSOLUTE INDUSTRIAL SLUM AND WASTELAND THAT HOLDS ONLY EMPTINESS AND GO-NOWHERE-NESS. DOWNTOWN ='s SINKHOLE CENTRAL. except quick forays with someone else as a driver. A little better on the other side of the ridge; but still, no long time in any city. JUST LIKE LYRICS OUT OF THE MERLE HAGGARD SONG SAY: "I'M TIRED OF THIS DIRTY OLD CITY; AND TIRED OF TOO MUCH WORK, AND NEVER ENOUGH PLAY." PROGRESS IN THIS SO-CALLED CITY DOES NOT EXIST HERE. I've been looking at property tax data, contacting people to see if they want someone to watch over their property while paying them rent. I NEED A LAWYER, A REALTOR, AND A LOW INTEREST LOAN, FOR A SMALL PLOT OF RURAL LAND IN COLORADO, JUST OUTSIDE OF FORT COLLINS, OR COLORADO SPRINGS, AND RELIABLE ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION FOR TO AND FRO TRANSPORATATION, TO GET ME TO ALL PLACES OF IMPORTANCE. I AM FUCKING SICK AS SICK CAN BE, OF THE INFERNAL FUCKUPTION ENGINE: KEEPING THE POOR, POOR, AND THE RICH, RICH, AND DIVIDING ALL OF WE AMERICANS. Many times it is easier to just bypass problems, or solve upstream problems that cause the problems where you are now. We're rooting for you, Clyde. OK. MY MIND CONTINUALLY RACES AT OMNIDIMENSIONAL VELOCITY, WITH VERY MINIMAL FINANCIAL RESOURCES, TO BACK UP ALL OF THE HANDS ON PROJECTS THAT I YEARN TO ACTUALLY DO. I WENT YESTERDAY, TO A LOCAL BUSINESS: THE WATER STORE, AND THAT BLACK CORRUGATED PIPE THAT THEY STOCK, ACTUALLY DOESN'T LOOK TOO BAD, FOR USE AS A COIL FORMER FOR E.M. B-WAVE ENT.-MENT. THAT CORRUGATED PIPE THAT THEY STOCK IS ACTUALLY REALLY HEAVY DUTY AND QUALITY AS QUALITY CAN BE; THE KIND THAT IS IDEAL FOR ME, ALTHOUGH I AM STILL FOCUSED ON THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT, USING THE P.V.C. PIPE FORMER THAT I'VE ALREADY GOT. CLYDE --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050731/31236d61/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Jul 31 00:29:04 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Jul 31 00:29:10 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Thoughts on Russian PM "perpetual motion" motor In-Reply-To: <20050729171809.41099.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20050731072904.24608.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> IS IT POSSIBLE FOR ALL PEOPLE TO END THE CEASELESS FUCKING CRITICISM OF PERPETUAL MOTION, AND ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A CRUDE / MINIMALIST SOLUTION, AND MAKE IT A WIDESPREAD AND WELL KNOWN REALITY? ALL I HAVE EVER HEARD, WHEN PERPETUAL MOTION BECOMES A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION, IS 'EVERLASTING' BITCHING AND MOANING ABOUT IT, BY IVORY TOWER, MAINSTREAM PHYSICS PROFESSORS, AND IVORY TOWER MAINSTREAM PHYSICIST-SCIENTISTS. IF ETERNAL LIFE IS A TRUE, AND/OR SUPPRESSED AND KNOWN, FACTUAL REALITY BY ALL OF THE FUCKING GREEDY THEOLOGY HIERACHY SCHOLARS THROUGHOUT HISTORY, AND AT PLACES LIKE THE FUCKING VATICAN, WOULD THAT NOT IMPLY SOME FORM OF PERPETUAL MOTION/PERPETUAL ENERGY SCENARIO BY GOD, OR BY THE GODS OF ANTIQUITY??? I KNOW I'VE GONE CRAZY; CRAZY AS ALL HEAVEN AND HELL AND DAMNATION COMBINED; BUT DAMN MAN, AND PERHAPS GOD, AND OR THE GODS TOO, BECAUSE THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME FORM OF MINIMALIST/ REALIST/ ABSOLUTIST/ IDEALIST, EXTREMIST, ABSOLUTION SOLUTION OUT THERE SOMEWHERE, SUPPRESSED, AND HIDDEN IN EXOTERICA-LAND!!! THE FOLLOWING ARE SOME TOPICS TO PONDER, THAT I CAME UP WITH, THE OTHER DAY, WHILE I WAS STILL ENTRAPPED, IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL INFUCKTUTION. I DON'T HAVE ANY TIME TO ARGUE ANY BULLSHIT AND HORSESHIT DETAILS OVER THEM, AND SO I HOPE YOU ALL, WILL: 1. SUPERCONDUCTING MAGNETS DO NOT REQUIRE HEAT, TO PRODUCE HEAT. IS THIS TRUE? 2. HOW WAS THE VERY FIRST, (MOST) POWERFUL, MANMADE PERMANENT MAGNET, ENGINEERED AND FABRICATED? 2. HYDROGEN GAS, DERIVED DIRECTLY FROM WATER, DOES NOT REQUIRE HEAT, TO PRODUCE HEAT. IS THIS TRUE? 3. TUNED CAVITY RESONANT SONIC ENERGY CAN SPLIT HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN ATOMS FROM WATER, ON DEMAND, TO BURN THOSE HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN GASSES ON DEMAND. IS THIS TRUE? 4. CAN GARGANTUAN AMOUNTS OF AIR BE MOVED, IN A VERY VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME, WITH MINIMAL AIR TURBULENCE, WITH ANY PRESENT TECHNOLOGY, OR TECHNOLOGIES? YES? OR: NO? > I theorize that this motor is driven by entropy. I DON'T KNOW. > Permanent magnets are highly ordered, with magnetic domains (electron spin) > all aligned. This is a low entropy condition. Increasing the entropy of > the magnet, by disordering the magnetic domains, will release energy. So > the magnets slowly lose their magnetism, as energy is extracted from the > motor. AS LONG AS THE EXTERNAL RELATIVE ATMOSPHERIC TEMPERATURE FLUCTUATIONS REMAIN CONSTANT; (CONSTANTLY FLUCTUATING EXTERNAL TEMPERATURE AND WEATHER, ETC.) THOSE FLUCTUATIONS WILL ALWAYS HAVE NEGATIVE DEMAGNETIZING EFFECTS ON THE PERMANENCE OF THE MAGNETISM ITSELF; THE MAGNET WILL ALWAYS LOSE ITS CHARGE ENERGY/ENERGY CHARGE, AND WILL BECOME USELESS. IF THE MAGNETIC TEMPERATURE REMAINS AT ABSOLUTE TEMPERATURE, AT SAY ZERO (0) DEGREES F, THE PERMANENT MAGNET SHOULD RETAIN ITS PERMANENT MAGNETISM FOREVER, UNLESS ACTED UPON BY AN OUTSIDE HEAT SOURCE. ALSO; PUTTING A FULLY CHARGED PERMANENT MAGNET, VERY NEAR, OR INTO AN OPEN FLAME, WILL DEMAGNETIZE ITS PERMANENT MAGNETISM. THE MAGNET WILL THEN REQUIRE REMAGNETIZATION. But how much energy can be stored in a magnetic field? I WISH I KNEW A SPECIFIC ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. NEODYMIUM PERMANENT MAGNETS ARE THE MOST POWERFUL, AND THE MOST SUPERIOR OF ALL PERMANENT MAGNETS, AND THEY CAN BE FABRICATED WITH SKIN PINCHING/BONE CRUSHING STRENGTH, AND BEYOND (IN POWER). MEASUREMENTS CAN BE MADE IN THE ESTABLISHED STANDARDS OF: 1. GAUSS. 2. OERSTED(S). AND: 3. TESLA. I WISH I COULD AFFORD THE SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMENT THAT I NEED, SO THAT I CAN DO EXTENSIVE MAGNETIC TESTING, LIKE I'VE WANTED TO DO, SINCE 19 FUCKING 95. MONEY IS AN ASS, JUST LIKE THE GOD DAMNED AND MAN DAMNED LAW. AND ANTIMONEY IS EVIDENTLY INFINITE!!!! Just from the description, a multiplication factor of four, it would seem, unless he keeps replacing the magnets quite often, that he gets more energy out than it takes to magnetize iron. I DON'T KNOW. So where is the energy coming from? Are the magnets actually acting to pull energy from somewhere else? WHAT DOES PERMANENT IMPLY EXACTLY? PERMANENT DOESN'T IMPLY PERPETUAL,,,, NECCESSARILY. > I also think this is the principle behind the Searle device. I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SEARLE DEVICE; GOOD AND WORTHWHILE WEBLINKS, AND NOT ALL OF THE GODDAMNED SHIT THAT I SAW IN THE PAST, PERTAINING TO MR. SEARLE, THAT WAS/IS WORTHLESS MATERIAL. Detailed URL? Description? I'M FUCKING SUPER TIRED RIGHT NOW. IF I NEED TO REVISE THIS POSTING ANY FURTHER, I WILL DO SO TOMORROW AFTERNOON, AFTER I GET BACK FROM WORK. LATER, AND GOOD NIGHT; GOTTA GO TO BED AND GET TO WORK AT 7:00 C.S.T. CLYDE --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050731/d7a487e8/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Jul 31 00:51:52 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Jul 31 00:51:57 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A few links on the Searle Effect In-Reply-To: <006201c5949a$5f379600$6401a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20050731075152.18954.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Michael Best wrote: http://www.americanantigravity.com/godinroschin.html http://www.esotericscience.com/FreeEnergy.aspx http://www.rexresearch.com/searl/searl.htm IT IS MY WILL TO ATTEMPT TO BUILD BILL BEATY'S RENDITION OF THE FARADAY DISK DYNAMO, AS ILLUSTRATED ON THE WEBSITE BELOW. I VISITED THAT WEBSITE IN THE PAST, AND FROM THE MOMENT THAT I SAW THE ILLUSTRATIONS, I REALIZED IT IS SOMETHING WORTH PURSUING AND DOING; HANDS ON REAL MCCOY GENERATOR DESIGNING/ENGINEERING. WHERE'S THE MONEY SUPPOSED TO COME FROM, WHEN WILLIAMS CORPORATION OF THE SHITTY OF TULSA, HAS EVERYONE'S MONEY, AND WILL NOT GIVE IT BACK? THE WILLIAMS BANK OF OKLAHOMA LONE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWER, IN DOWNTOWN SINKHOLE; I'VE WONDERED WHAT KIND OF DIRTY MONEY LAUNDERING DEALS GO ON IN THAT SUPERCOOL INDUSTRIAL ENGINEERED, BUT FUCKING CORRUPT AS HELL SKYSCRAPER, DOWNTOWN. THE B.O.K. WILLIAMS TOWER, DOWNTOWN, IS THE TALLEST SKYSCRAPER IN OKLAHOMA. http://amasci.com/freenrg/n-mach.html I'M TIRED; I'LL TRY TO REPLY BETTER, TOMORROW! CLYDE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050731/111ea89e/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jul 31 01:27:29 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Jul 31 01:27:33 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Thoughts on Russian PM "perpetual motion" motor In-Reply-To: <20050731072904.24608.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 31, 2005 12:29:04 AM Message-ID: <20050731082729.96627.qmail@mall-net.com> > IS IT POSSIBLE FOR ALL PEOPLE TO END > THE CEASELESS FUCKING CRITICISM OF > PERPETUAL MOTION, AND ACTUALLY > COME UP WITH A CRUDE / MINIMALIST > SOLUTION, AND MAKE IT A WIDESPREAD > AND WELL KNOWN REALITY? The laws of thermodynamics say no, it can not be done. What CAN be done, is to find other sources of energy. Maybe Zero Point energy has something to it; maybe not. We don't know yet. > ALL I HAVE EVER HEARD, WHEN PERPETUAL > MOTION BECOMES A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION, > IS 'EVERLASTING' BITCHING AND MOANING > ABOUT IT, BY IVORY TOWER, MAINSTREAM > PHYSICS PROFESSORS, AND IVORY TOWER > MAINSTREAM PHYSICIST-SCIENTISTS. Well, who else has a better grasp of physical law??? And those uinversity PhD's have budgets, atom smashers, etc. But... finding other sources of energy... that may be a different story. > IF ETERNAL LIFE IS A TRUE, AND/OR Not in this life... not on this plane of existance. The soul may be another, um, case. But even then, most would say it is energy; so when the sun goes nova... we will likely all burn out of existance. > SUPPRESSED AND KNOWN, FACTUAL > REALITY BY ALL OF THE FUCKING GREEDY > THEOLOGY HIERACHY SCHOLARS THROUGHOUT > HISTORY, AND AT PLACES LIKE THE FUCKING > VATICAN, WOULD THAT NOT IMPLY SOME FORM > OF PERPETUAL MOTION/PERPETUAL ENERGY > SCENARIO BY GOD, OR BY THE GODS OF > ANTIQUITY??? The implications of hte vatican, etc. are that an organization orgnaizes itself to survive. > I KNOW I'VE GONE CRAZY; CRAZY AS ALL > HEAVEN AND HELL AND DAMNATION COMBINED; I don't know. You sound more angry than crazy; and I'd say your anger is more physiologically based than psychologically based. But I'm not a doctor. > BUT DAMN MAN, AND PERHAPS GOD, AND OR > THE GODS TOO, BECAUSE THERE'S GOT TO BE > SOME FORM OF MINIMALIST/ REALIST/ ABSOLUTIST/ > IDEALIST, EXTREMIST, ABSOLUTION SOLUTION > OUT THERE SOMEWHERE, SUPPRESSED, AND > HIDDEN IN EXOTERICA-LAND!!! The problem is that absolutism and perfection are very narrow items; hence more likely to break than general solutions such as, say, humans. > THE FOLLOWING ARE SOME TOPICS TO PONDER, THAT > I CAME UP WITH, THE OTHER DAY, WHILE I WAS STILL > ENTRAPPED, IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL INFUCKTUTION. > I DON'T HAVE ANY TIME TO ARGUE ANY BULLSHIT AND > HORSESHIT DETAILS OVER THEM, AND SO I HOPE YOU > ALL, WILL: > > > 1. SUPERCONDUCTING MAGNETS DO NOT REQUIRE HEAT, TO > PRODUCE HEAT. > IS THIS TRUE? Not sure I understand. A superconducting magnet will create heat as the field weakens. Also, if the field is created by current, it will generate heat. > 2. HOW WAS THE VERY FIRST, (MOST) POWERFUL, MANMADE PERMANENT > MAGNET, ENGINEERED AND FABRICATED? By rubbing on another magnet. Later, we created electrical coils which magnetized. As for the strongest; most are electrically magnetized. > > 2. HYDROGEN GAS, DERIVED DIRECTLY FROM WATER, DOES NOT > REQUIRE HEAT, TO PRODUCE HEAT. > IS THIS TRUE? The act of creating hydrogen creates heat. The act of burning hydrogen requires some heat to raise the hydrogen and oxygen above a threshold value in order to combine it. The combining then releases more heat. Neighboring reactions supply the heat to trigger the next reaction, and thus to keep the reaction going. So I would guess that the answer is yes, it does require heat to create heat. > 3. TUNED CAVITY RESONANT SONIC ENERGY CAN SPLIT HYDROGEN > AND OXYGEN ATOMS FROM WATER, ON DEMAND, TO BURN THOSE > HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN GASSES ON DEMAND. > IS THIS TRUE? If you provide enough sonic energy, meaning heat or molecular velocity, it will split. However, the energy to do so may be considerably higher and more difficult to set up than via other means. > 4. CAN GARGANTUAN AMOUNTS OF AIR BE MOVED, IN A VERY VERY > SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME, WITH MINIMAL AIR TURBULENCE, WITH ANY > PRESENT TECHNOLOGY, OR TECHNOLOGIES? > YES? OR: NO? Likely not. > MONEY IS AN ASS, JUST LIKE THE GOD DAMNED AND MAN DAMNED > LAW. > AND ANTIMONEY IS EVIDENTLY INFINITE!!!! Not really. Economics isn't even human law. It's just a way of measuring the score. Tests of animals show that animals optimize their behavior in an economical manner. That is, for energy consumption. We monitize our consumption and generation so we can more easily keep score. > So where is the energy coming from? Are the magnets actually > acting to pull energy from somewhere else? > > > WHAT DOES PERMANENT IMPLY EXACTLY? > PERMANENT DOESN'T IMPLY PERPETUAL,,,, NECCESSARILY. Permanent implies longer lasting. Heat can demagnetize a permanent magnet. So can a strong field in a reverse direction. > LATER, AND GOOD NIGHT; GOTTA GO TO BED AND GET TO > WORK AT 7:00 C.S.T. You know, Clyde, a significant part of your problem may be a lack of sleep. Sleep is very, very important. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Jul 31 04:53:17 2005 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Jul 31 04:53:21 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Man, nature and technology working in harmony? Message-ID: <20050731115317.46261.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.kraftwerk.com Expo 2000, if anyone has heard Kraftwerk's tune, titled: Expo 2000, makes me question if Man, Nature, And Technology can work in harmony and unison, instead of in 'constant' chaos and disorder. Clyde __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20050731/4f76309a/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jul 31 10:40:10 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Jul 31 10:40:13 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Man, nature and technology working in harmony? In-Reply-To: <20050731115317.46261.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 31, 2005 04:53:17 AM Message-ID: <20050731174010.7280.qmail@mall-net.com> > http://www.kraftwerk.com > > Expo 2000, if anyone has heard > Kraftwerk's tune, titled: Expo > 2000, makes me question if > Man, Nature, And Technology > can work in harmony and > unison, instead of in 'constant' > chaos and disorder. What do you expect of a species which does not recognize the efficiency of nature? Nature's view of efficiency is to utilize every single molecule of anything as many times as possible before it is used up. Same for every quanta of energy. Man's view of efficiency is not to utilize anything. Thus, nature is filled with things which eat other things which eat other things to the N'th level, and then reprocesses the excreta over and over again. Man considers that gross. Nature seeks the disharmony of mutation to broaden her definitions. Man has Rules. It Vill Be Dis Vay! Or Elsen!!! Nature has patience, millions of matings, each one an experiment. Man wants it NOW! He wants his kids PERFECT! Nature is billions of years old, and expects to continue for billions of years more. Man worries about his retirement plan, some mere 50 years away. Nature says Man is only an experiment. Perhaps some day she will get him right. The day is still young. For now, let him play is spring time tunes and frolic in the morning dew. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jul 31 11:04:11 2005 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Jul 31 11:04:15 2005 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Perpetual motion???u In-Reply-To: <20050731072836.31716.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Jul 31, 2005 12:28:36 AM Message-ID: <20050731180411.21019.qmail@mall-net.com> > I feel for you, Clyde. I've been through some hard times where > others around me had no hope that I would live. And if I hadn't gotten > out of there, I wouldn't have. > > > I'VE GOTTA MOVE. > > > So what are your options? > > > VERY MINIMAL AND SMALL. A lot more than you think! get a stack of 3x5 cards and start writing down one option per hard. Soon, you'll have a lot! > > Have you started looking for work in Colorado? Elsewhere? > > NO, NOT YET; BUT I DID GET INFORMATION FOR CONTACTING MANY > MENTAL HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS IN COLORADO IF I DECIDE TO > FIND A PLACE UP THERE, WHERE I CAN STAY AND LIVE. > > Did you get a half-mask respirator and try wearing the HEPA > filters for a day or two, then charcoal filters? Did that change > anything? > > > I NEED TO, STILL. > > ANTIMONEY IS AN IMPEDENCE RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS LOOKING INTO > > THE PURCHASE OF THAT GAS AND DUST MASK IS CONCERNED. Clyde, there is only one kind of anti-money. That's your attitude. I should complain. I don't. Why? Waste of time better spent trying to figure out how to make more money, how to make and do things other people are willing to pay more for. > Have you tried reading any inspiring fiction, like Ringworld or > sequels by Niven? I finished Ringworld's Children a while back. > > > NOPE, NOT INTERESTED IN FICTION. You need something to inspire you. Science Fiction is sometimes good, if you stay away from doomsday idiots. Niven is a good author. > IT WAS EVEN A MAJOR CHORE WHEN I RECENTLY CHECKED OUT > THE HOMERS ODDESSY BOOK, TO SOLELY AND SPECIFICALLY SEARCH > THE BOOK, TO FIND THE PART OF THE CHAPTER WHICH MENTIONS > ABOUT THE LOTUS EATERS. Read it for pleasure, try to imagine the people in your mind. > Did you go looking for interesting things to photograph? Things > to open the eyes in your mind. > > > NOT YET; TOO MANY PROBLEMS IN SO-CALLED LIFE, THAT ARE > INTERFERING. Set them aside. You need to renew YOURSELF. You do that by doing different things, trying to see what you enjoy. I don't mean irresponsibility, I mean budgeting some small amount of time to try things you enjoy. > The important thing is to keep trying to change things. That way, > things will change. > > > I'M TRYING, BUT PROGRESS IN THIS INDUSTRIAL SLUM INDUSTRIAL > WASTELAND, OF TULSA, IS SLOWER THAN A GOD DAMNED TURTLE. Nope. You are running so fast in your mind that you do not notice the beauty of the world. ANd without that, you don't know where to begin. What kind of job do you have, Clyde? > My own situation is that I have to move. I can't go down into > the cesspool of the Valley anymore, > > I DON'T REALLY LIKE GOING TO DOWNTOWN ANYMORE, HERE IN > TULSA, IT IS AN ABSOLUTE INDUSTRIAL SLUM AND WASTELAND THAT > HOLDS ONLY EMPTINESS AND GO-NOWHERE-NESS. > DOWNTOWN ='s SINKHOLE CENTRAL. Even downtown San Jose isn't that bad! For me, it's just a breathing problem. > except quick forays with someone else as a driver. > > A little better on the other side of the ridge; but > still, no long time in any city. > > > JUST LIKE LYRICS OUT OF THE MERLE HAGGARD SONG SAY: > "I'M TIRED OF THIS DIRTY OLD CITY; AND TIRED OF TOO MUCH WORK, > AND NEVER ENOUGH PLAY." Nope! I enjoyed my work. I got to think about really difficult problems, and show myself what I could do. And that was fun! > PROGRESS IN THIS SO-CALLED CITY DOES NOT EXIST HERE. Progress creates cities which are better than other cities. > I've been looking at property tax data, contacting people to see > if they want someone to watch over their property while paying them > rent. > > > I NEED A LAWYER, A REALTOR, AND A LOW INTEREST LOAN, > FOR A SMALL PLOT OF RURAL LAND IN COLORADO, JUST OUTSIDE > OF FORT COLLINS, OR COLORADO SPRINGS, AND RELIABLE > ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION FOR TO AND FRO TRANSPORATATION, First go there. See if you like it. Rent. Find a job you can do well. Then... maybe... think of buying. > TO GET ME TO ALL PLACES OF IMPORTANCE. > > I AM FUCKING SICK AS SICK CAN BE, OF THE INFERNAL FUCKUPTION > ENGINE: KEEPING THE POOR, POOR, AND THE RICH, RICH, AND > DIVIDING ALL OF WE AMERICANS. Time and again, what I see as the great difference between the haves, and the have nots, is attitude. The have nots blame all on something else and DO NOTHING to better their situation. The soon-to-be Haves think, study, put two and two together, find ways of making life better for all. And so, are soon showered with money for their work. Money is given for good work, good products, etc. It is very, very hard to steal money! The only anti-money, is a poor attitude toward life and toward money. > Many times it is easier to just bypass problems, or solve upstream > problems that cause the problems where you are now. > > We're rooting for you, Clyde. > > OK. > > MY MIND CONTINUALLY RACES AT OMNIDIMENSIONAL VELOCITY, > WITH VERY MINIMAL FINANCIAL RESOURCES, TO BACK UP ALL > OF THE HANDS ON PROJECTS THAT I YEARN TO ACTUALLY DO. So look at how to make more money. Think about that. Set the other projects aside. Tell yourself each morning that you want to make more money, AND THAT you know doing a better job, a more important job for someone out there will get you more money. Tell yourself you will look for opportunities to help others which also make you more money. (But not at the expense of others, such as your current employer.) Write that down on the back of your door, so you can see it in the morning and in the evening. "Money is a reward for important work well done." "What can I do that gets a higher reward for my efforts?" "How can I get my money to work for me?" In the evening, review what you saw that you could have done, which would have made you more money. Write some of the ideas down. Look at them every weekend. Your attitude toward life will either bring you more wealth than you can imagine, or poverty. Attitude is an exponential power machine. (Yea. You need to do something about your adrenaline levels. Try more iodine rich foods, niacin, etc. Niacin can do wonderful things for some people.) > I WENT YESTERDAY, TO A LOCAL BUSINESS: THE WATER STORE, > AND THAT BLACK CORRUGATED PIPE THAT THEY STOCK, ACTUALLY > DOESN'T LOOK TOO BAD, FOR USE AS A COIL FORMER FOR E.M. > B-WAVE ENT.-MENT. Ah. That can certainly help. > THAT CORRUGATED PIPE THAT THEY STOCK IS ACTUALLY REALLY > HEAVY DUTY AND QUALITY AS QUALITY CAN BE; THE KIND THAT IS IDEAL > FOR ME, ALTHOUGH I AM STILL FOCUSED ON THE COMPLETION OF THE > PROJECT, USING THE P.V.C. PIPE FORMER THAT I'VE ALREADY GOT. I think that can help you. But don't forget that thing to tell yourself every morning about making money. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.