From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Jun 1 15:08:25 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 1 15:08:42 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The Problems of Global Warming
Message-ID: <201.2c697b4.2fcf8bd9@aol.com>
Hi Clyde, hope you get this at your library.
Your last post was interesting, you seem to be able to handle your anger in
a constructive way, write it out. Feels so good to rant and rave on paper
or e-mail, get it off your chest for the moment.
You are one of us mad scientists. In some strange way, we , after months of
communicating back and forth have a connection with each other.
Think of it this way. When one gets frustrated, over time it builds to the
point that health , both body and mind is affected. Some people go to shrinks
and end up telling them what they the shrinks want to hear. Some go to
parents, friends, mentors and get no help that makes sense to them. They have
never walked in your shoes so how on earth can they advise you ?
Here's the good part for you, none of us mad scientists know what road we
each have walked. But, we cheer each other on, take chunks of time out of our
lives to respond to each other.
I tend to be a knee jerk person while others are calmer and very ( look at
both sides of the question ) kind of people.
Another point, try to be specific with us, generalities just don't work.
> I JUST WANT AMERICA TO BE AMERICA AGAIN, AND
>NOT THIS FUCKING MODERN DAY COUNTRY THAT IS
>SOLD OUT TO BOTH COMMUNISTS AND TO FASCISTS
Who, What, Why, Where, When, Get down to bed rock and give some examples of
what in the last day or so has pushed your buttons.
And please Clyde, keep writing, it is good for you to let it all hang out.
I find Johns idea of taking a run around the block another good idea, as
long as you live in a safe neighborhood, and do it in the day time.
Regards Vesta
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 16:10:23 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Jun 1 16:11:21 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The Problems of Global Warming
In-Reply-To: <201.2c697b4.2fcf8bd9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050601231023.31707.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com>
Vesta111@aol.com wrote:Hi Clyde, hope you get this at your library.
Your last post was interesting, you seem to be able to handle your anger in a constructive way, write it out. Feels so good to rant and rave on paper or e-mail, get it off your chest for the moment.
You are one of us mad scientists. In some strange way, we , after months of communicating back and forth have a connection with each other.
Think of it this way. When one gets frustrated, over time it builds to the point that health , both body and mind is affected. Some people go to shrinks and end up telling them what they the shrinks want to hear.
YEAH, I WAS GOING TO A FUCKING SHRINK, AND FOR A MOMENT, FELT THAT I WAS
MAKING SUBSTANCIAL INROADS, AND THEN GOT SLAPPED WITH A GOD DAMNED
$700.00 BILL THAT I COULD NOT AFFORD TO PAY EVEN ONE CENT OF.
THEN THE SHRINK HAD THE NERVE TO SCHEDULE MORE APPOINTMENTS AND
CHARGE ME MONEY FOR AN APPOINTMENT THAT CONFLICTED WITH ANOTHER
DOCTOR APPOINTMENT.
ALL THE DOCTOR DID WAS TO WRITE NOTES, AND THEN CHARGE ME A
FUCKING $700.00 BILL.
I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE.
I AM ABOUT TO REACH OUT AND PUNCH SOMEONE.
AND IT WON'T BE ONLY ONE PUNCH.
I'LL PUNCH UNTIL THERE IS NOTHING BUT A LIFELESS, PULVERIZED
BLOODY SMEAR ON THE PAVEMENT.
Some go to parents, friends, mentors and get no help that makes sense to them. They have never walked in your shoes so how on earth can they advise you ?
YEAH, PARENTS ARE MOSTLY WORTHLESS.
FRIENDS HAVE LIMITS.
AND MENTORS FAIL.
Here's the good part for you, none of us mad scientists know what road we each have walked. But, we cheer each other on, take chunks of time out of our lives to respond to each other.
I tend to be a knee jerk person while others are calmer and very ( look at both sides of the question ) kind of people.
LATELY, NUCLEAR BOMBS HAVE BEEN GOING OFF IN MY BRAIN, AND I
JUST TAKE IT.
MOST OF THE TIME, I JUST CLOSE MY EYES WHEN I FEEL ANGRY AGGRESSION WANTING TO EXPLODE, AND FEEL AS THOUGH I AM PLUNGING INTO DARKNESS
IN MY MIND, LIKE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HAS PLUNGED THIS COUNTRY INTO ECONOMIC DARKNESS, BY CONTINUING THE SELLOUT TO WORTHLESS CHINA, AND SELLING OUT TO WORTHLESS IRAQ.
Another point, try to be specific with us, generalities just don't work.
> I JUST WANT AMERICA TO BE AMERICA AGAIN, AND
>NOT THIS FUCKING MODERN DAY COUNTRY THAT IS
>SOLD OUT TO BOTH COMMUNISTS AND TO FASCISTS
Who, What, Why, Where, When, Get down to bed rock and give some examples of what in the last day or so has pushed your buttons.
TALK SHOW HOSTS ARE SENSATIONALISTS, AND I REALIZE THAT NOW, BUT
TALK SHOW HOST: MICHAEL SAVAGE IS A FASCIST, RUSH LIMBAUGH, WELL I
HAVE CALLED HIM A COMMUNIST; BUT I THINK HE IS A LITTLE OF BOTH.
I AM SO FUCKING PISSED AT POLITICS SUPPRESSING SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL
ADVANCEMENTS.
AND I AM FORCED TO BE A SOCIAL SLAVE, WHEN IT IS MY WILL TO BE A SUCCESSFUL
SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, YET THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, BECAUSE I JUST DO
NOT HAVE ANY PATIENCE FOR THE ENDLESS NEVERENDING BULLSHIT INFINITE
COMPLICATED AND EXPENSIVE TAX LAWS, BYLAWS, ENDLESS RULES AND
REGULATIONS, CITY ORDINANCES: COMMUNISTIC, AND FASCISTIC; ZONING
PERMITS, HIGHER THAN NONSENSICAL HELL TAX CODE LAWS, OPPRESSIVE FENCE LINES, WHERE NEIGHBORS SCREW EVERYTHING UP, OPPRESSIVE ------- ------ ELECTRICAL CODES, ------- ------ BUILDING CRAP CODES, OVERKILL EXPENSIVE
GASOLINE PRICES, ------- ------ INFERNAL FUCKUPTION ENGINES, ENDLESS
POLLUTION THAT IS ENFORCED UPON ALL OF THE PEOPLE, IS THAT IT???
HAVE I LEFT ANYTHING OUT???
And please Clyde, keep writing, it is good for you to let it all hang out.
I find Johns idea of taking a run around the block another good idea, as long as you live in a safe neighborhood, and do it in the day time.
I JUST PURCHASED ONE OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY BIKES: A TREK MOUNTAIN
BIKE, AND HAVE RIDDEN IT, OVER INTO THE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS 'PARK'
THAT MY RESIDENTIAL AREA BORDERS.
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS FUCKING COMMUNISTIC AND FASCISTIC INDUSTRIAL
GO NOWHERE SUBURBIA-SLUMBURBIA.
LATER, CLYDE
Regards Vesta
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 16:11:32 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Jun 1 16:11:47 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) Tulsa.
Message-ID: <20050601231132.25363.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
Tulsa:
Looking out west, across the Tulsa skyline,
from a fairly high leveled place, alongside
highway 169. I just thought to myself: What
an industrial wasteland (that) Tulsa is.
This old fascist and communist corporate
industrial wasteland slum city empire, built
on a financial, economic, and ecological old
petroleum oil sinkhole.
It is no wonder to me now, why I suffer from
environmental illness, with very little hope
left for the future.
So much endless pollution surrounding me.
Clyde Lofton
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 16:14:06 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Jun 1 16:14:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] QUOTING PRESIDENT DWIGHT EISENHOWER.
Message-ID: <20050601231406.40353.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
QUOTING PRESIDENT DWIGHT EISENHOWER:
IN THE COUNCILS OF GOVERNMENT, WE MUST
GUARD AGAINST THE ACQUISITION OF UNWARRANTED
INFLUENCE, WHETHER SOUGHT OR UNSOUGHT, BY
THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. THE POTENTIAL
FOR THE DISASTROUS RISE OF MISPLACED POWER
EXISTS AND WILL PERSIST.
WE MUST NEVER LET THE WEIGHT OF THIS COMBINATION
ENDANGER OUR LIBERTIES OR DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES.
WE SHOULD TAKE NOTHING FOR GRANTED. ONLY AN
ALERT AND KNOWLEDGEABLE CITIZENRY CAN COMPEL
THE PROPER MESHING OF THE HUGE INDUSTRIAL AND
MILITARY MACHINERY OF DEFENSE WITH OUR
PEACEFUL METHODS AND GOALS, SO THAT SECURITY
AND LIBERTY MAY PROSPER TOGETHER.
DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jun 1 16:31:20 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Jun 1 16:31:38 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] QUOTING PRESIDENT DWIGHT EISENHOWER.
In-Reply-To: <20050601231406.40353.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 01, 2005 04:14:06 PM
Message-ID: <20050601233120.8342.qmail@mall-net.com>
> QUOTING PRESIDENT DWIGHT EISENHOWER:
He was a good president. Stable administration, etc. America was
in a period of economic growth; not so much because of Eisenhower, as
because the people who came back from the war focused on the future,
and worked to build it.
One of his initiatives ended up as the internet. Yep, his
legislation to start the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
funded the creation of the basic technology of the interenet.
> IN THE COUNCILS OF GOVERNMENT, WE MUST
> GUARD AGAINST THE ACQUISITION OF UNWARRANTED
> INFLUENCE, WHETHER SOUGHT OR UNSOUGHT, BY
> THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. THE POTENTIAL
> FOR THE DISASTROUS RISE OF MISPLACED POWER
> EXISTS AND WILL PERSIST.
From long before ancient Greek times!
> WE MUST NEVER LET THE WEIGHT OF THIS COMBINATION
> ENDANGER OUR LIBERTIES OR DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES.
> WE SHOULD TAKE NOTHING FOR GRANTED. ONLY AN
> ALERT AND KNOWLEDGEABLE CITIZENRY CAN COMPEL
> THE PROPER MESHING OF THE HUGE INDUSTRIAL AND
> MILITARY MACHINERY OF DEFENSE WITH OUR
> PEACEFUL METHODS AND GOALS, SO THAT SECURITY
> AND LIBERTY MAY PROSPER TOGETHER.
We did Ok here; though some other areas of government did kind of
slip in their duty. The FDA was one.
We do have to take into consideration the alternatives as well as
what was happening in other countries. A lot of people got crushed on
the other side. I lost relatives in Siberia.
But the competition kept us pushing technology, got us to DO
something with transistors, pushed transistors into integrated circuits
(I saw one of the first ones at an IEEE show in the 60's), and on to
microprocessors. Many, many other things too, came out of that
competition, including our space program.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jun 1 16:53:26 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Jun 1 16:53:31 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) Tulsa.
In-Reply-To: <20050601231132.25363.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 01, 2005 04:11:32 PM
Message-ID: <20050601235326.20653.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Tulsa:
>
> Looking out west, across the Tulsa skyline,
> from a fairly high leveled place, alongside
> highway 169. I just thought to myself: What
> an industrial wasteland (that) Tulsa is.
You can say that about many cities, San Jose, Mountainview, Groton,
New Haven... (Actually, New Haven is more a wasteland for the decay of
the police force and the lack of concern of the people who moved in.)
East Hartford... many many places across America where I have walked,
advised others, and helped build the Tomorrow that has become today.
But that does not stop the people working and living there. Some
move on, others keep at it.
> This old fascist and communist corporate
> industrial wasteland slum city empire, built
> on a financial, economic, and ecological old
> petroleum oil sinkhole.
Well, some say it's the best blend of urban and rural living, with
quite homes blocks away from corporate headquarters buildings.
That's what they said of San Jose, too.
It's just a matter of how you look at things, Clyde. All cities
have horrendously smelly sewers if you want some thing to gripe about.
But there are so many great things too! Open your eyes and your mind.
Once upon a time, the place had a few shabby homes, more like bare
wood hovels. People had to haul water from wells, heat it over the
furnace before taking a bath, etc.
Today, most of us can step into the bathroom, drop our clothes, and
take a nice hot shower any time of day or night with almost no
preparation other than having some clean clothes to change into.
That was unheard of in the early 1800's in most places!
> It is no wonder to me now, why I suffer from
> environmental illness, with very little hope
> left for the future.
Clyde, you have to make hope, and make it work. That's the job of
every one of us -- create hope and then pitch in and help create that
which you hope for.
> So much endless pollution surrounding me.
Do you see the beauty of the sunset? Of the sunrise that follows?
Do you see the wild flowers growing out of the cracks in the
pavement and sidewalks? That is hope. That is how hope grows. And
some take those flowers, replant them elsewhere. Or even if not, the
flowers make seeds which blow in the wind, some finding moist places to
grow, and pass on the gift of life to the next generation. With that,
the future lives on.
That's what we mad scientists are all about -- the creation of
things which are often under-appreciated in the present context. And if
we can not quite bring our thoughts to fruition, the seeds of our ideas
and inventions go on, echoing in the minds of others till they find root
and grow to create tomorrow.
The persistence of life and of ideas... That's the stuff to
photograph. The sprout in the sidewalk, the flower in full bloom, the
sweating brow building our Tomorrows.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jun 1 17:52:48 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Jun 1 17:52:54 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The Problems of Global Warming
In-Reply-To: <20050601231023.31707.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 01, 2005 04:10:23 PM
Message-ID: <20050602005248.61091.qmail@mall-net.com>
> TALK SHOW HOSTS ARE SENSATIONALISTS, AND I REALIZE THAT NOW, BUT
> TALK SHOW HOST: MICHAEL SAVAGE IS A FASCIST, RUSH LIMBAUGH, WELL I
> HAVE CALLED HIM A COMMUNIST; BUT I THINK HE IS A LITTLE OF BOTH.
The beauty of America is that people who want to see them, can;
people who don't, don't have to.
> I AM SO FUCKING PISSED AT POLITICS SUPPRESSING SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL
> ADVANCEMENTS.
I don't know as it has. When you look at other nations, we have
more science and technology, tools and gadgetry, than one finds anywhere
else in the world! That's why people are trying so hard to sneak in
through our borders.
> AND I AM FORCED TO BE A SOCIAL SLAVE, WHEN IT IS MY WILL TO BE A SUCCESSFUL
> SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, YET THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, BECAUSE I JUST DO
If you believe it can not happen, it won't. You have to believe it
can, to plot and plan, and then work to make it happen.
I have created several businesses in my day, mostly the one-man
kind. I am a consultant, the third consultant in our family line to be
a consultant. I succeeded, at least for a while, at selling soap while
in college. I failed at selling some software products, mostly because
I got sick. That would have been the World Wide Web some six to eight
years earlier. I did a lot of consulting in Silicon Valley. I sold
information services in the late 90's and early 00's over the internet,
and watched it all fall apart after 9/11 and some ruski mafia types
bought a bunch of our products using stolen credit cards. (My main
dealer didn't check what he was taking, and after he got taken, decided
not to sell our products anymore because it was too hard for him to
check whom he was selling to... But the 9/11 economic shock wiped out
too many of our other clients.) And I am investigating another business
opportunity now, a consulting type of opportunity.
You just have to start doing something, start looking at what
people need, and how to satisfy those needs. Sometimes, it's a
consultive type of deal, sometimes it's making or buying and reselling
some gadget they need.
But most of all, it is believing that what you do can make a
positive effect upon society.
People run away from angry people. That's your problem, the anger.
But it's a chemical problem, not an essential part of your soul, if you
don't want it to be.
Get out that camera, or a piece of paper and a pencil. Photograph
or draw things that interest you. Make it a habit. You will begin to
see there are many, many things which really interest you, things that
draw you to find more about them.
> NOT HAVE ANY PATIENCE FOR THE ENDLESS NEVERENDING BULLSHIT INFINITE
> COMPLICATED AND EXPENSIVE TAX LAWS, BYLAWS, ENDLESS RULES AND
> REGULATIONS, CITY ORDINANCES: COMMUNISTIC, AND FASCISTIC; ZONING
> PERMITS, HIGHER THAN NONSENSICAL HELL TAX CODE LAWS, OPPRESSIVE FENCE LINES, WHERE NEIGHBORS SCREW EVERYTHING UP, OPPRESSIVE ------- ------ ELECTRICAL CODES, ------- ------ BUILDING CRAP CODES, OVERKILL EXPENSIVE
> GASOLINE PRICES, ------- ------ INFERNAL FUCKUPTION ENGINES, ENDLESS
> POLLUTION THAT IS ENFORCED UPON ALL OF THE PEOPLE, IS THAT IT???
> HAVE I LEFT ANYTHING OUT???
Yes, but... So What!
Did you think I got a business permit for my consulting work in the
beginning? That was the beauty of it. No sales tax on labor or advice.
Income tax, sure. But we do need to keep things orderly and so need to
pay for water, sewer, police...
(I could really have used some police up here a few nights ago
when I ran some tough looking motorcycle hombres in full helmets and
heavy leather jackets off the property in the dead of night. I thought
they were going to steal everything they could carry, so I hid in a good
place till they reached me, then popped out and yelled at them to get
off my property. When they stopped and hesitated, I moved forward, not
charging, but clearly not giving ground, and yelling at them to get off
the property NOW! They were probably as scared of me as I was of them;
but I had the element of surprise, and used it well. Or well enough
that I survived. I figured if they found me shivering in the bushes,
they would have killed me. I didn't give them enough time to wonder what
to do; just the overwhelming impression that elsewhere might be better.
Didn't sleep much that night... but I rather suspect they didn't
either.)
If you're not making a lot of money, such as when you are getting
started, you don't need permits. And when you are making money, they
are cheap!!!
We incorporated one of my companies, but when I got sick, let that
go. Did a lot of other stupid things too! But so what! Tomorrow is
another day! New ideas, new people, new things to do. That's the
beauty of America! No one brands you as a failure, but yourself.
I know it may all sound a little hard to do today when you are
sick; but if you budge the inch, the inches add up. And if you are
budging the inch, people see you are doing something and some may come
and help.
I remember when I was sick and had fallen over in my room, back in
the mid 80's. My body was growing cold, was giving up. I could not
afford the energy to see. All I could do was to hiccup. I knew where
the electric heater was. I hiccuped. It felt like I moved. So I kept
on hiccuping and budging the inch toward the heater.
My mother and father had come into the room. My father said that
it looked like that was it, that my end had come at last.
I kept hiccuping and budging the inch toward the heater.
My mother said it looked like I was moving toward something. The
heater! Of course!
They moved the heater toward me, and I lived. Had I given up, I'd
not be writing to you today.
So take your ideas and budge the inch. Try! Because if you don't
try, nothing will happen.
> And please Clyde, keep writing, it is good for you to let it all hang out
Yes it is. Writing lets you see what you mean. And change it.
> I find Johns idea of taking a run around the block another good idea,
> as long as you live in a safe neighborhood, and do it in the day time.
Thanks. It has always helped me.
> I JUST PURCHASED ONE OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY BIKES: A TREK MOUNTAIN
> BIKE, AND HAVE RIDDEN IT, OVER INTO THE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS 'PARK'
> THAT MY RESIDENTIAL AREA BORDERS.
> I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS FUCKING COMMUNISTIC AND FASCISTIC INDUSTRIAL
> GO NOWHERE SUBURBIA-SLUMBURBIA.
It gives one a sense of self to move through the world under one's
own muscles, be it on foot or on bike.
Hope you got a helmet with it. If not, get one, will you? We care
about you.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jun 1 19:05:39 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Jun 1 19:05:45 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) Tulsa.
In-Reply-To: <20050601231132.25363.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 01, 2005 04:11:32 PM
Message-ID: <20050602020539.16102.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Looking out west, across the Tulsa skyline,
> from a fairly high leveled place, alongside
> highway 169. I just thought to myself: What
> an industrial wasteland (that) Tulsa is.
Reading about Tulsa, I find you've got two world class museums
there; the Philbrook, and the Gilcrease. Have you spent any time in
them?
It's fascinating what you can pick up form looking at artifacts and
thinking about how people use to live back in those days. Makes today
seem like some part of heaven!
> So much endless pollution surrounding me.
I know what you mean! I can't go down in the valley for long any
more. But it's sure cleaner down there than in a damp cave.
Take some time on the weekend and check out one of the museums.
Imagine yourself using the artifacts. (It's good mental gymnastics.)
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 11:14:19 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Jun 2 11:14:27 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Zero love left.
Message-ID: <20050602181420.12493.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
Zero love left:
I have zero love left for this worthless city
of Tulsa.
The city skyline is certainly impressive, but
life living here does not mirror the impressive
city skyline of downtown.
I hate this fucking endless shitty city.
I want to move.
Clyde
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Jun 2 11:55:26 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Zero love left.
In-Reply-To: <20050602181420.12493.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 02, 2005 11:14:19 AM
Message-ID: <20050602185521.50964.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I have zero love left for this worthless city
> of Tulsa.
> The city skyline is certainly impressive, but
> life living here does not mirror the impressive
> city skyline of downtown.
> I hate this fucking endless shitty city.
> I want to move.
I am a gypsy at heart. As a consultant, I've worked in a number of
cities across the USA. I really miss being able to go anywhere. The
slogan under the consultant's flag is "Per Deim", what we are paid for
living expenses above and beyond the hourly rate. Hotels, motels, and
the open road. (Well, I travel that road by phone first, so I know I
have a job waiting for me when I get there.)
To raise the Jolly Roger, and sail off to the next port... maybe
it will be different... In some ways, it always is. In others, it
differs very little. The change is within. Whenever you move, the
cage of impressions others have built for you is left behind; you get to
define yourself again.
But old habits... old ways of viewing things... so the new is an
echo of the old.
Where do you want to go?
What do you do for a living?
Start looking through the newspapers of where you want to go. Look
at not just the local news, but also the classifieds. Call them up. Ask
them what they like about their city, and the company they work for.
Ten calls a day.
(When I'm job hunting, I do 100 calls a day, 30 - 35 of which reach
the proper person. But I'm not calling ads, I'm calling from my
database of contacts.)
Try to get them to do most of the talking.
You don't have to get them to hire you, you just need to get them
to talk about their city and their company. Then you'll have a better
idea of what it is like there and if you REALLY want to go there.
Talking to people like that is a useful skill to develop. It takes
a while, so don't call your best prospects first! Get a flat rate phone
if you can.
But before you go... Nutrition! Got to have that ready, as if you
get really hungry, the brain starts to fail badly. I got stuck in
Dayton, Ohio once, missed lunch, was a little short on B vitamins, and
Whammo! Agoraphobia! Non-sensical fear of open places. I understood
what was happening; it's just that it was happening to me!
I made sure I ate well that night, bought some B vitamins, and as I
drifted off to sleep, imagined myself in successively larger farm
fields. Let me tell you, I was sweating and shaking as I imagined that!
Irrational fear of having giant birds swoop down on me, etc. etc. etc.
I was not really in good form the next morning, but I had more or
less conquered that fear; even though I really preferred to be under the
awnings, between tall buildings, etc. for months after that. And Ohio
being flat, I hated Ohio!
If you travel, you've got to make sure you eat right!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
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Arthritis
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Jun 2 15:49:58 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun 2 15:50:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Zero love left.
Message-ID: <9e.27b63ad1.2fd0e716@aol.com>
Hi Clyde,
Did you happen to read the message from our (Big Bad John ?)
> (I could really have used some police up here a few nights ago
when I ran some tough looking motorcycle hombres in full helmets and
heavy leather jackets off the property in the dead of night. I thought
they were going to steal everything they could carry, so I hid in a good
place till they reached me, then popped out and yelled at them to get
off my property. When they stopped and hesitated, I moved forward, not
charging, but clearly not giving ground, and yelling at them to get off
the property NOW! They were probably as scared of me as I was of them;
but I had the element of surprise, and used it well. Or well enough
that I survived. I figured if they found me shivering in the bushes,
they would have killed me. I didn't give them enough time to wonder what
to do; just the overwhelming impression that elsewhere might be better.
Didn't sleep much that night... but I rather suspect they didn't
either.) <
I read this at 3 a.m. just before leaving for work. What a hoot, when things
got hairy at work I would think of Johns post and smile, made my day. I hope
you have a sense of humor , Clyde and enjoyed it as much as I did.
There is something here Clyde that I picked up, did you ? I don't think
John told us the whole story of that night. Do you think, perhaps, there is a
possibility that John could have failed to mention that when he confronted the
bikers, he turned and yelled into the empty woods " Hold your fire boy,
these guys are leaving, no problem here ?"
Also John did not mention if he had to throw away his pants and take a
shower as soon as possible.
I am going to ask you a personal question Clyde, I hope you don't mind, what
do you do for work, are you still in school or are you disabled.
You Clyde live in a city, do you think you would do better living as John
does, out in the brush ? There's a lot of us loners out there, I am one of
them. I love people, every day people, black ,white, yellow, or even green if I
were fortunate enough to meet some.
Yet, when I come home at night and on my time off from earning my living, I
crave aloneness, I must have time to read, research, and function for myself.
This I believe is because I am an only child, I did not learn to interact
with my peers until I was well into my adulthood. How about you Clyde, do you
have brothers and sisters?
>The city skyline is certainly impressive, but
life living here does not mirror the impressive
city skyline of downtown.<
I like your words, WOW, they paint for me a picture of a place I have never
known. There is so much I can read into your observations of your time and
place.
There is a part of all of us humans that crave love and affection. Once we
find it we take it for granted. There is a part of us that need to be left
alone, we all need the stillness of jabber. There is a part of us that need to
be accepted by our peers, and a part of us that when accepted will feel above
those idiots. Damn Clyde, ani't life a bitch !!!
With your permission Clyde may I ask, who are you the closest to. Do you
talk, do you laugh together, is there anyone you share a common dream ?
Regards Vesta
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Jun 2 15:59:27 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun 2 15:59:38 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Zero love left.
Message-ID: <1ad.38ff9165.2fd0e94f@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/2/2005 2:55:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
javilk@mall-net.com writes:
If you travel, you've got to make sure you eat right!
Hi John, who was it that said that an army travels on it's stomach? I think
that General also said that a good army never stands when it can sit, never
sits when it can lay, never lays when it can sleep.
Regards Vesta----------Ps Got some Meth labs up your way,
lucky your alive.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Jun 2 16:32:04 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Jun 2 16:32:18 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Zero love left.
In-Reply-To: <1ad.38ff9165.2fd0e94f@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jun 02,
2005 06:59:27 PM
Message-ID: <20050602233204.34079.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > If you travel, you've got to make sure you eat right!
>
>
> Hi John, who was it that said that an army travels on it's stomach? I think
> that General also said that a good army never stands when it can sit, never
> sits when it can lay, never lays when it can sleep.
Napoleon said "an army travels on its stomach." He offered a prize
which lead to the invention of canning.
> Regards Vesta----------Ps Got some Meth labs up your way,
> lucky your alive.
I think I'd smell (or notice) a meth lab if there was one nearby!
I am extraordinarily sensitive to solvents. And some forms of
pesticides, etc. Interesting thought...
I don't think the main guys up here would risk allowing such on
their properties. Though some of the sloppy police tend to attribute
anything and everything up here to drugs. They even tried to blame the
Croy Fire on a meth lab, before concluding it had to be due to solar
power because the fire started near a UL approved inverter, and solar
panels did not have a permit. (???) That's just the kind of mentality
we have out here. I think they seized the property the fire started on;
they were threatening to seize everything the family owned for the
expense of... not putting it out themselves and letting the state put
it out!
Our number one enemies are not the mountain lions, bobcats and
rattle snakes; they are the government officials who don't want us to
use our land. The reason the Croy fire spread, was that the ciy fire
departments refused to put it out. They just stood there, letting it
spread till the California Department of Forestry and fire control had
to fly tankers and helicopters, etc. I actually saw this with my
binoculars! And then after saying they won't go after folks up here who
have structures, they sent a survey team out and said that any structure
that survived, and was not covered by permits would be razed!
One of our old timers, a really nice guy I met several times, died
of a heart attack arguing with officials over their refusal to issue the
final permit for his retirement home. He'd paid tons of money for every
other permit, then blocked him on the last one.
But in general, if we don't cause trouble, and our neighbors don't
complain, they don't cause trouble for us.
And it's still one heck of a lot better than what goes on in other
countries.
-javilk- mall-net.com
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Jun 2 17:53:09 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Jun 2 17:53:14 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Zero love left.
In-Reply-To: <9e.27b63ad1.2fd0e716@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jun 02,
2005 06:49:58 PM
Message-ID: <20050603005309.86580.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > (I could really have used some police up here a few nights ago
> when I ran some tough looking motorcycle hombres in full helmets and
> heavy leather jackets off the property in the dead of night. I thought
> they were going to steal everything they could carry, so I hid in a good
> place till they reached me, then popped out and yelled at them to get
> off my property. When they stopped and hesitated, I moved forward, not
> charging, but clearly not giving ground, and yelling at them to get off
> the property NOW! They were probably as scared of me as I was of them;
> but I had the element of surprise, and used it well. Or well enough
> that I survived. I figured if they found me shivering in the bushes,
> they would have killed me. I didn't give them enough time to wonder what
> to do; just the overwhelming impression that elsewhere might be better.
> Didn't sleep much that night... but I rather suspect they didn't
> either.) <
>
> I read this at 3 a.m. just before leaving for work. What a hoot, when things
> got hairy at work I would think of Johns post and smile, made my day. I hope
> you have a sense of humor , Clyde and enjoyed it as much as I did.
>
> There is something here Clyde that I picked up, did you ? I don't think
> John told us the whole story of that night. Do you think, perhaps, there is a
> possibility that John could have failed to mention that when he confronted the
> bikers, he turned and yelled into the empty woods " Hold your fire boy,
> these guys are leaving, no problem here ?"
Not quite! But close. Since it was almost pitch black, I had the
luxury of having them covered with a laser pointer mounted on an
infra-red non-contact thermometer, giving the impression common to many
police guns which have such pointers on them. (Psychological warfare
with lasers!) (I forgot to read the temperature.)
I _think_ the laser did the trick. but quite frankly, I couldn't
see the dot on their black jackets, either for the lack of reflectivity,
the weakness of the pointer, or my own inability to keep it steady; so
it may have been just my voice.
I thought about this a little before I did it...
Given _their_ circumstances, trespassing in the dark, knowing they
are cutting through private property (having to go under the wire gate,
etc.) and a little unsure of portions of the path, etc.; a good strong
voice should have startled them, thus preventing them from thinking
clearly for some minutes. Unless, of course, they expected me, in which
case I might be dead.
But given they were RETURNING to the property after dark... having
already cased the place earlier... (and not seeing me...) I felt
surprise was mine. As well as more compelled to act rather than fleeing.
My clear strong voice gave clear and specific orders. (and no
explicit threat.) It also made it fairly clear by implication that I
did not care whom they were; thus no retribution was likely if they
complied.
The no-retribution was a critical point of the message, as was NOT
chasing them other than that one step forward to get them moving
backward. They didn't have to defend themselves. It was why I gave that
message at the point where I did, instead of waiting to see if they
would steal. Once they had something to defend, be it actions or loot,
I knew that I would have had a much, much tougher time.
They got the essence of that quickly, and realized that "elsewhere
was better." Done! All except the shaking due to residual adrenaline
and adrenaline breakdown products.
> Also John did not mention if he had to throw away his pants and take a
> shower as soon as possible.
Didn't have to. I pretty much knew what the risks were. I knew
that If I didn't die instantly in a hail of gunfire, which was kind of
unlikely, they would leave. And if I would die instantly, I would have
died anyway when they found me hiding in the bushes somewhere. For IF
they were armed and ready, they would have been the type to have some
fun with me before letting me die of blood loss and shock. And they
would make sure that I did die so that I could not identify them. And
if not that time, then maybe when they came back yet again and found me
in my bed or something.
So it was kind of a simple equation for me to solve.
Their behavior in all this suggested they were fairly decent and
compliant folks, not the armed thugs I feared. And from what I heard
later, they might be local to the area, in which case they were probably
just taking a path around a locked gate. By not chasing them, I let
them know I was fair and decent... I trusted them to leave. (I mean, I
could see them drive off...)
Most people, even not so good people, are decent in the face of a
sufficiently plausible threat _IF_ they are given a way out. And I made
darned sure I wasn't in their way out, and that they knew their way out!
Now, that is quite a contrast to what I did when two attack trained
dogs, one of them a pitbull, charged me last year. I was on the dog's
territory! Dogs instinctively run after what runs away, so running was
not an option. In any event, I saw their rate of close was too quick to
make it to my car. I wouldn't even have had the chance to get the door
open, I'd have been very lucky to vault onto the roof, and then would
have to spend time kicking them off the car. And would have been mauled
to death if I tripped.
I stepped out of their attack training profile by squatting down,
holding my hand out and nodding nodding nodding gently while saying
hellow... helloww....how are you? You're such a nice dog.
Helloooowwww... and just turning off my fear as I kept turning to face
them.
The other option, of firmly yelling "go home!" would not likely have
worked because they were too excited and they on their own territory.
The scared person in that little encounter was the dog owner, who
soon came running with ashen green face. When he got his hand on the
pitbull's collar, it was clenched so hard that it was White!
By then, the pitbull and I were good friends, and still are.
The owner and dog have visited me a few times, and I them.
Friendly dog? The man's landlord nearly had his bloody arm ripped
off by that pitbull. He used the wrong approach.
Remember what Herbert wrote in Dune "Fear is the mind killer". If
you let your initial fear dissipate, then you can use your mind to
master the situation. And engaging your mind in dealing with the
situation is the fastest way of dissipating fear.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Jun 3 07:14:28 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Fri Jun 3 07:14:39 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Atom transistors
Message-ID: <004e01c56846$8e493910$6401a8c0@mikey>
http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=2fe32839-9
b70-4908-967b-5c6610e2ff2a
From Vesta111 at aol.com Fri Jun 3 10:45:51 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 3 10:46:06 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Atom transistors
Message-ID:
In a message dated 6/3/2005 10:15:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mbest@triad.rr.com writes:
http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=2fe32839-9
b70-4908-967b-5c6610e2ff2a
This stuff boggles my mind. Not so much the idea of the end results but the
amount of research required to invent the machines that will build any of the
products that will be using this new technology. Finding out just how things
are made has been a passion of mine. All this will lead to better kinds of
technology, and heaven knows where that will lead, better medical equipment to
toys for new born---I remember how we a few years back played for hours with
those strange Furbies.
Thank you for the heads up, I will tell the kids to keep an
eye out for these things in the future if I am not around.
Regards Vesta
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Jun 3 12:05:29 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] One weblink for now.
Message-ID: <20050603190518.74096.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Jun 3 12:06:21 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] If love is like a gas tank.
Message-ID: <20050603190602.74919.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
If love is like a gas tank, my gas tank is on
empty.
I am out of love for this city.
I am out of love for this state.
I am out of love for this country.
And I am out of love for the entire
world.
It is time for another American revolution.
Clyde
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Fri Jun 3 12:40:05 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 3 12:40:26 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Zero love left.
Message-ID: <9b.60d41cc6.2fd20c15@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/2/2005 8:53:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
javilk@mall-net.com writes:
Their behavior in all this suggested they were fairly decent and
compliant folks, not the armed thugs I feared. And from what I heard
later, they might be local to the area, in which case they were probably
just taking a path around a locked gate. By not chasing them, I let
them know I was fair and decent... I trusted them to leave. (I mean, I
could see them drive off...)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------Oh John, how have
you survived this long if you think you need only fear the armed thugs?
The most dangerous thugs are the least expected people you could meet. Give
me a thug that is armed, or known to be violent and I will have a chance, no
matter how slim, to defend myself. The unarmed thug with good or bad
intentions are to be feared as the plague.
Everyone of us in today's world think we are decent people. The
Psyco-Babble of today has an excuse for every little or big unsocial action we take.
There are few people out there who does not know of someone, or have a family
member who for some reason commits an act that raises the eye brows of every
one that knows them.
Come to think of it, I, myself, just a few days ago acted out of character.
It was raining out, we had dread full weather for May here in New Hampshire.
The temp. was mid 40ies !!! I had to get some things at the Mall and
because of the cold damp weather it seemed like everyone in town had gone
shopping---nothing else to do.
I parked way out into the boonies and was soaked to the skin when I
got inside. I got my purchases, about $30.00 worth, picked up the 3 plastic
bags and headed home as soon as I could get there. Soon as I got home I
dropped the bags, hiked up the heat, stripped and took a LONG, steaming hot
shower. Jumping into bed, pulling the covers over my head I was knocked out in
about 30 seconds. Next day, about 16 hours later I finally came out of it
feeling much better, until I went into the kitchen to get blasted by my house
mates for turning up the heat to 90 degrees.
I began to unload one bag on the kitchen table and nothing I pulled out
was anything I had bought. A very nice watch, about $ 50.00, a tasteless
birthday card and a box of safe sex devices. I rounded up my family and told them I
had one of their bags, nope, no one shopped at that store, son of a gun!!
Next 2 bags were mine, everything I thought I had bought, but where had the
third bag come from ? It was raining out still, temp. a bit higher
closer to 50 but I was not about to go out and catch a chill again. No one in
my damn house would drive down to the mall to return the bag, they all had
plans.
So, I took the easy way out, I called the store and asked if anyone had
complained about missing goods. The manager was a real piece of work, he
informed me that his clerks did not make mistakes of that kind.(( ie ) his clerks
had never handed a customer the wrong bag at any time on HIS watch.
My excuse for not returning the bag to the next shift manager was----- It
was cold and raining out. The manager I spoke to was rude and haughty. The next
shift manager would most likely be like the first. The best one was that
since the goods had been paid for, if I returned them the manager would pocket
them for himself.
This is how we decent people (?) delude ourselves into acts that go
against the grain.
The fact that moms birthday and one of my sons also was coming up never
came into my decision, or did it ?
Mom loves the watch, my son cracked up on the card and I myself kept the
rubbers, you never know, I could get lucky.
Regards Vesta
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Fri Jun 3 15:07:16 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 3 15:07:46 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] If love is like a gas tank.
Message-ID: <1e9.3d4c6ac4.2fd22e94@aol.com>
Hi Clyde,
Good to hear from you, have you been keeping up with us ? Mbest sent us a
killer article and John is in the bush with a temperature devise that he uses
to run off the local Hells Angels. Me, I am still beating myself up for
converting things that were not mine
Clyde, what do you do when you fall out of love with someone or something ?
You have still not told us why on earth you would stay in a life style you
abhor.
off subject,-------UFO-----I ask this question of everyone I meet at work.
Lots of interesting answers, but, I would like to know especially from
someone who practices science, has an interest in science, What is your take on
possible alien visits and abductions ?
You should know, Betty Hill died this year. She was old and Barney died
years ago. We all in this community knew her and Barney, he was my mailman for a
couple years when I lived in Rye.
Pease Air force Base closed down about 18 years ago but the air base shrink
who tested the couple remained in the Portsmouth area for a few years after
the closing. This man made buco bucks beating the drum for the Hills.
Betty was head of the Portsmouth library and SMART !!!!! She went against
convention and married a black mail man, almost unheard of in that day.
Barney Hill was no dummy himself, self assured and spunky. Barney was no JIVE
TURKEY man, he was very well educated and not a man to panic under any
earthly happening.
My Dad worked for the shipyard in Kittery Me. at the time, he also belonged
to the Portsmouth Yacht Club. Dad was low on the totem pole at the club but
as acting Master of the Navy Lodge, he got to people most of us never meet.
So, he was interested as we all were and everything he heard from the base
commander down to the shrink who ( owned a 65 foot sail boat ) was that these
people to their knowledge were not telling a tall tail.
Yet, Dad could not believe in this stuff. If anything, he believed the
Aliens if they were actual, were from earth, the future. He believed that sometime
in the future man would learn how to travel back in time and was-- doing so.
The strange pictures people drew of these aliens are too human to be from
"off planet ".
Dad as a hard hat diver for the navy from the 40ies to the late 50ies knew
what it takes to go into an alien life form. To live on this planet earth
under water there are clothing and breathing and survival skills involved. he
believed the so called aliens wore suits to protect them from our germs, and
that in the future the havoc of nuclear waste caused man to be deformed and
strange looking to us in our own time.
I found and read the books dad had read as a kid in grandmas attic. In the
30ies he read these small books in size of Buck Rodgers, regular size books
of the submarine boys, all the action adventure stuff for kids with no t.v.
Notice after 1938 all mention of atom guns etc was no longer mentioned. Even
in the comic books of the time all mention of atoms were missing
. Manhattan project was in full swing.
Clyde, can you in your wildest dreams, have any idea what it would take to
pull that off in this day in age? Back then we were going head to head with
the German scientists.
So Dad back then had seen how the military disposed of nuclear waste, get a
gross of 50 gallon metal drums, fill them with hot waste, incase them in
cement and drop them off the fan tail of a destroyer 200 miles off shore. Dad
was so upset, he told me when I was a kid that I should not be surprised when
I bought a lobster and it had two tails. Not that this is a bad thing for us
lobster lovers, YUMMMMMM.
So Clyde do you agree with my dad or do you have other ideas ?
Regards vesta
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Jun 3 15:20:22 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Zero love left.
In-Reply-To: <9b.60d41cc6.2fd20c15@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jun 03,
2005 03:40:05 PM
Message-ID: <20050603221938.2159.qmail@mall-net.com>
>> Their behavior in all this suggested they were fairly decent and
>> compliant folks, not the armed thugs I feared. And from what I
>>heard
>>> later, they might be local to the area, in which case they were
>>probably just taking a path around a locked gate. By not chasing
>>them, I let
>> them know I was fair and decent... I trusted them to leave. (I mean,
>>I could see them drive off...)
> ----------------------------------------------------------Oh John, how have
> you survived this long if you think you need only fear the armed thugs?
I have very little trust for anything anyone says. I assign a
percentage probability to most things. I watch what people do.
It's not that people lie, it's that they say, then when time comes,
think more carefully and act in a way that is more sensible to them than
the way they had once thought they should act.
But when people are presented with a choice, most people, most of
the time, take one of the decent options.
All this really does, is make it easier for me to reinterpret what
I have seen and heard should my expectations not pan out, should things
suddenly seem to have changed. Rare, is it that they change on a whim;
the seeds of change are almost always visible in retrospect.
> The most dangerous thugs are the least expected people you could meet. Give
They are easiest to identify, and often the easiest to deal with.
Angry people don't think. Thus if you are willing to relax and take in
the greater arena they are angry within, you can often turn them around
for your gain, and for their own gain. And when you turn them around
for their own gain, they see you are a decent chap and are much more
polite to you.
> me a thug that is armed, or known to be violent and I will have a chance, no
> matter how slim, to defend myself. The unarmed thug with good or bad
> intentions are to be feared as the plague.
Do-gooders are the worst! For they think their actions are right
regardless of circumstances. "Be grateful I cut your foot off, the
infection could have killed you." Arrggghhh
> Everyone of us in today's world think we are decent people. The
> Psyco-Babble of today has an excuse for every little or big unsocial action we take.
> There are few people out there who does not know of someone, or have a family
> member who for some reason commits an act that raises the eye brows of every
> one that knows them.
That is why it is important to recognize the difference between
internally inspired discontent, externally inspired discontent, and
biologically inspired discontent.
Internal discontent is usually because you didn't act as you would
like to see yourself acting. It may be due to character issues,
information issues, etc. We must accept that we can improve, and should
improve... but not so much that we are not ourselves! Remember,
knowledge is the enemy of learning, and can be the enemy of
imagination as well as its ally.
External discontent comes from the way others act toward you. It
may be their problem, or the way they interact with us, the impression we
have cast. In many ways, our expectations are seen as cues by others
who amplify them back at us. If I show up in a really good suit, they
expect me to be able to solve their problems. If I show up dressed in
rags, I am booted out the door! Just dressing in a good conservative
manner doubled my income!
Biological discontent can be due to lack of food, critical
nutrients, sleep, cold, etc. Some of it we can take care of, some we
can't. It is important to try to be at our peak biologically so that we
can be at our peak morally. (In the broad sense, not just the sexual
sense. That means we hold our best image before us. It includes
putting forth the best of our character, and the best of our mental
abilities.)
(Or that's one way of looking at things. There are many ways of
looking; do not confine yourself to the view of one eye, that you miss
the depth two views can provide.)
> Come to think of it, I, myself, just a few days ago acted out of character.
> I began to unload one bag on the kitchen table and nothing I pulled out
> was anything I had bought. A very nice watch, about $ 50.00, a tasteless
> birthday card and a box of safe sex devices. I rounded up my family and told them I
> had one of their bags, nope, no one shopped at that store, son of a gun!!
Sometimes...
> So, I took the easy way out, I called the store and asked if anyone had
> complained about missing goods. The manager was a real piece of work, he
> informed me that his clerks did not make mistakes of that kind.(( ie ) his clerks
> had never handed a customer the wrong bag at any time on HIS watch.
So you call at another time and speak with another manager.
And then return it at your convenience. I would have
> shift manager would most likely be like the first. The best one was that
> since the goods had been paid for, if I returned them the manager would pocket
> them for himself.
Few would. And not without it sitting there for a while in case
someone came. Also, didn't you look at the receipt? Was it a credit
card purchase? That time and reference number could be traced either by
you or the manager to deliver a message to the person who actually
bought and paid for the item.
> This is how we decent people (?) delude ourselves into acts that go
> against the grain.
Since it was an honest mistake, and likely NOT by you... you are
under no obligation to return the goods immediately... no obligation
OTHER than the keeping of the image which you wish to maintain of
yourself.
The highest obligation you have to yourself, is to maintain that
good clear image of whom you are, even when circumstance is against you.
Especially when circumstance is against you!
When people see that, the right people are attracted to you, and
the motives of others may be more clearly seen. (And the latter is a
HUGE benefit!)
Your second highest, is to improve that image as you can.
Of course, that usually, though not always, presumes you are within
the acceptable norms of society.
Look at what Mark Felt did. He saw his duty to the constitution
was more important than his duty to the president. In the beginning,
many of us felt that Deep Throat was a traitor. But as Watergate
unraveled, it became clear that the person who was working against the
constitution, and the people of the USA, was Nixon. Felt was a hero,
and was leaking just enough to prevent Nixon from expanding his grasp to
strangle vital principles that make this nation great.
And yet... and yet... how much of what happened in Viet Nam, how
many tens or hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, Cambodian, and others
paid with their lives in so called "re-education camps" when all this
interfered with our attempt to keep back the communists?
Judgment call. Similar with Clinton's sexual crisis during his
fight against Bin Laden. Likely Clinton's distraction lead to the
missile strike against Bin Laden, and thus catapulted Bin Laden to a high
enough status that he could strike the twin towers.
History is so hard to predict when it hasn't happened yet, when we
haven't seen all the forces behind the results. Revealing those forces
is the job of the CIA, DIA, and other related services. Planning
responses is the job of many other services. Being ready to act is the
job of The President.
In both cases, personal issues kept our presidents from being
ready. Those issues SHOULD have kept them out of office! But we the
people neglected our moral responsibility and voted them in anyway.
Bush... but what was the alternative? I feel he does not have the
imagination, either in himself or his staff, to deal with crisis of the
magnitude of the Twin Towers. He went with the flow of emotion instead
of pointing out how stupid and minor that strike really was. As a
result, he let the nation panic and we all suffered incredible economic
losses TOTALLY UNRELATED to the direct economic effects of that set of
buildings collapsing.
(A particular thorn in my side, as that killed the businesses I
relied upon, and so killed one of my "mad scientist" type of businesses.
That loss of income is one reason I landed here, instead of a cabin
built by someone else.)
Imagine how different this nation would be today, if the twin
towers fell due to an accidental aircraft impact, or some structural
flaw, say wind resonance. Our economy would not have suffered ONE TENTH
of the damage! Probably not ONE HUNDREDTH of the damage that Bush, in
his go-with-the-sympathetic-flow speeches and actions allowed to happen.
(Not to say Al Gore would have done better; I think Gore or Kerry
would have done far worse!)
I think a better response would have been to say this was only
3,000 people in 275 million, that more people die of auto accidents in
two weeks than this, in five days from cigarette smoking. That the
flue takes more lives.
Go on to emphasize this action was morally cowardly (quote from the
Koran on harming civilians, etc. Plenty of stuff there to turn his
people against him!).
Make it clear that this cowardly action was militarily absurdly
stupid. (You blew up two civilian buildings... those are not military
targets, they didn't help your people.
Rub in that just blew all the support Islam had in the USA! Support
that was contributing $xxxx per year to fund schools, etc. for your
people!)
Then call him on his total inability to follow through. Make him
look like the real ass he is!
Instead, Bush exacerbated the damage to our faith in ourselves by
playing up the honor of those who died.
Two days after I ran those motorcycle hoods (or whomever) off the
property, I felt stronger for having taken action. I was more willing to
do things to improve my lot up here. Not only did I show them that this
was MY territory; I also showed myself whom I am, what I am capable of.
Trump is right. Rebuild the twin towers taller and better! Not
one story higher, but ten! Let it be not so much an act of defiance, as
an act of faith in ourselves. Construction SHOULD have started the week
after they fell. (Not full construction, just the preliminaries to SHOW
intent while the buildings were re-designed to be better, to be cross
connected for escape purposes, etc.)
That's what a good mad scientist, or mad politician does. He stands
up to defend what he believes in. He rebuilds anyway. And when it blows
up in his face, he figures out why, and rebuilds it again, and again,
and again till it stands right and true!
As to the "airport militia", it scares people too much. That is
part of the reason our air system is falling apart -- people are afraid
to fly! The message should have been "You are responsible for the
airlines. You built them with your dollars. You are responsible to take
command of the passenger cabin if anyone tries to take it away from
you." (That's more or less what one set of airline pilots said to their
passengers after flights resumed. Get to know the guy sitting next to
you.)
We are the mad scientists. We are the ones who look beyond the
present, who seek to make the world a better place by taking the stands
which need to be taken.
And the best way to win those stands, is to let reality argue for
us... Jujustu of the mind, let the enemy strike the wall, not you, and
fall from his own energy.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
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Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Jun 4 01:25:37 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Jun 4 01:25:58 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] UFOs
In-Reply-To: <1e9.3d4c6ac4.2fd22e94@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jun 03,
2005 06:07:16 PM
Message-ID: <20050604082537.57549.qmail@mall-net.com>
> off subject,-------UFO-----I ask this question of everyone I meet at work.
> Lots of interesting answers, but, I would like to know especially from
> someone who practices science, has an interest in science, What is your take on
> possible alien visits and abductions ?
There was an interesting book I read just a few years back on the
UFO phenomenon. Some psychological analysis, as opposed to all the
other stuff I read on UFOs long ago.
My parents were aliens! They came to America, in part for the open
space to live. I have also worked with aliens! And an alien saved my
life!
Sadly for space buffs, my parents were normal humans born in
Europe, and went on from alien status to become naturalized citizens.
The aliens I worked with had H1B visas, some from India, Iran, Ireland,
England, etc. And the alien who saved my life was from Yugoslavia. He
looked human to me.
As for my ex wife... I don't know, she was defective. She defected
from the soviet union, pretty much making her an alien. She also, much
later, said she always knew she was a psychopath. I suppose the
combination makes her rather alien to our way of life. She sure was!
Enough that I parted company after I realized she was trying to kill me.
You've already heard my Alien Face = face of specific breed of cow
speech, and the time I mistook the moon for a space ship.
I like what I read in one article. If there is life out there in
space, why haven't they visited us yet? If there are so many planets
and all that, why haven't they visited yet? Maybe they just are not
there...
Could it be that faster than light travel... is too expensive?
Not just in terms of money, but in terms of building up to that
technology.
Could it be that civilization is just too fragile? Or too
unlikely? Look at how many civilizations rose and fell. And look at
how many civilizations arose in Africa. (Any?) Why?
Could it be that civilizations... just... aren't interested in
knowledge? What did the Christians say about the sun? It could NOT
have any imperfections... and poor Galileo... Or look at Imperial China
for that matter. Stagnation!
Or could it be that we only really like to play with kids our own
age?
This is a flashlight, Ogg. It lets you see in the dark.
Ogg: me sleep in dark. Your flashlight only shine in one direction.
Me have fire at night, it scare away all bad spirits all around, not
just in front of me.
So why visit Ogg the caveman, when we are so much more interested
in what we are doing.
The book pointed out that we interpret the unknown in terms of the
known. Meaning we use the unknown to mirror ourselves and our logic.
What better unknown is there today, than space? We speak of it all the
time, see views from space on the weather reports. It is our future, at
least in some say.
In olden times, God was supreme. Many people who fell into
religious trances. What we saw in the sky was a sign from God. And
when some voice spoke to us, it was either a ghost, the devil or a
saint. Or if you were really off your rocker, God Himself.
Today, the common terminology uses something else besides religion
as a base. These people claim abduction in UFOs, and we call the
unknown UFOs or space aliens who are running the government because we
are totally powerless. (And thus don't need to bother with all that
voting stuff.) And when some voice speaks to us, it is a space alien!
(Or when the ignorant seek to show some superior something, they say a
space alien told them. Can you imagine the Mormons if they were founded
today? It wouldn't be spirits that gave them the Book of Moroni.
Indeed, there have been cults founded that way, and not just the bunch
who killed themselves to transfer to that space ship following whatever
comet that was some ten years ago.)
I think there are enough unknowns here on earth that we don't need
space aliens to explain it all away.
I think there are enough brain malfunction and perceptual errors,
that we don't need space aliens to explain. (Mike? what was that article
on religious revelations and malnutrition?)
So far, I think the only aliens I've met recently are either the
illegal kind, or those with H1B visas. And I think there are just too
many of them around.
I would be thrilled to see a space alien! I just don't think I
will.
And if I do... will we have to worry about something like The
Andromeda Strain?
Or will they simply be out to steal all the iron in the core of our
planet before the next, less ethical bunch of explorers does?
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained.
Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.
From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Jun 4 09:56:56 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jun 4 09:57:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Zero love left.
Message-ID:
In a message dated 6/3/2005 8:54:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
javilk@mall-net.com writes:
Look at what Mark Felt did. He saw his duty to the constitution
was more important than his duty to the president. In the beginning,
many of us felt that Deep Throat was a traitor. But as Watergate
unraveled, it became clear that the person who was working against the
constitution, and the people of the USA, was Nixon. Felt was a hero,
and was leaking just enough to prevent Nixon from expanding his grasp to
strangle vital principles that make this nation great.
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That was a time of good people doing wrong and bad people doing good.
Old J. Edgar Hoover was a big time player in that insane time. I would give
100 bucks for a book that detailed how Nixon's boys forced Hoover to retire.
If Felt was indeed Deep Throat, I don't believe the driving force behind his
motives was love of country. It may have been something as simple as getting
Nixon before Nixon got him. What ever, a hero, or not, he did change history.
At this very moment Edward Nixon the younger brother of Richard is on FOX
news. He is
writing a book himself about Water Gate. He is saying that people in the
future will come to know that his brother was a great man " when history is
corrected " Now that statement gives me the willie-wass.
Caligula (SP?) was not all bad either. Such a sweet little boy, his grand
father called him Little Boots, so sad he made some errors as an adult.
Now, is this an example of "correcting history" ??????
--------
> Bush... but what was the alternative? I feel he does not have the
>>imagination, either in himself or his staff, to deal with crisis of the
>magnitude of the Twin Towers. He went with the flow of emotion instead
>of pointing out how stupid and minor that strike really was. As a
>result, he let the nation panic and we all suffered incredible economic
>losses TOTALLY UNRELATED to the direct economic effects of that set of
>buildings collapsing.
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Mankind everywhere go to life or death struggles to become Supreme
Commanders. The head high honcho, the big cheese, men to be feared, respected,
admired, loved, hated, high drama every day they are in charge. They become a God of
sorts in their own mind, there EGO has no bounds. POWER, ah the smell of
absolute power has driven more then one world leader insane.
In the past, in the days of kings, people were raised to be leaders. From
the moment of birth these future kings and queens lost all rights that were
given to their very subjects. Each moment of their lives was structured for
them by loyal mentors and mentors that hated them. The latter spent their waking
hours plotting the death of their charges. By their 10th. year these
children could and some did command legions of troops. Their training was constant
and unrelenting.
The Republic that we live in today is as far from the days of kings as we
are from living in caves. We choose our leaders on the amount of support they
can get-----MONEY -----. and well , lets face it, what will they do for us?
" a chicken in every pot" promise
Poor Bush, his father had , and still does plan to have both his sons follow
him as president.
Daddy Bush however, never raised this boys to follow him. His sons couldn't
function in the military much less command it. When away from family
influences our Leader had one heck of a time drinking, drugging, acting and living as
the normal rabble of the masses. Daddy got our leader into the Skull and
Cross Bones where he met and played with the children of wealth. He came out
of that with good connections in the money game, but what training to lead did
he get there, none.
Poor man, he got caught up in his fathers dream and was expected to somehow
gain the tools needed to lead with no help from anyone. I cannot fathom how
Daddy Bush could have neglected to parent his son, train, teach him to follow
him. Perhaps Daddy didn't give a hoot how his kid would fare, just as long
as he followed him.
Good leaders must be TRAINED to lead. They should have above average
intelligence and have at least a passing reference with economics, history and feel
that they have a mission to improve the lives of all citizens. Above all,
they must feel the weight of office, their duty to us must come first.
I don't think our leader has the ego, to lead. A puppet to his father from
the first swearing in ceremony, a prisoner to the whims of others, we saw in
the Clinton years just how much power a president really has-----Clinton could
not even get Monica a full time paying job in government service. POWER,
what power, these leaders we get now don't write their own speeches, they say
what they are told to say by their advisors, the mentors reincarnated from the
days of kings, some love you and are loyal, some hate you and plot against
you.
I would dare to guess that Greenspan is the actual power in this country.
One stroke of his pen can make or break millions and millions of us.
I try never to blame our president when they trip up, most times it is due
to inattention to what is being told to him. There is so much going on around
them, seldom do they have a chance to focus in on one thing-split attention
and too much trust in others will be their end.
Now Clinton and his co-president wife were a hoot. Clinton could , like a
computer take half a dozen problems and concentrate on them one at a time, no
overlap or confusion in that mans mind. This very well educated president had
the common sense to marry a woman smarter then he. It must have been hell
for those who attempted to sell him on anything with Hillary around.
I never gave a flying fig about his sex life, none of my business. Hillary
herself only objected when it became public. I would rather have a Stud
Muffin in office then some impotent frustrated jerk. And as a side light, when
Clinton visited our area one year, Mom and I went to see him arrive. Somehow
we managed to get to the front row and as Clinton passed he touched our hands.
I looked at my Moms face, all 80 years of life showing and knew in an
instant , that as a woman, and at her age, she would drop her knickers for that
one if God were to grant her one last wish.
Those were good years for New England, housing was reasonable, the middle
class were headed up higher and the poor had jobs and could afford to live
better then ever. Our shipyard had tons of work, summer visitors and winter
skiers came by the thousands, the money came flowing in. Our 401k plans tripled in
value, guess we all went crazy buying what to us would be luxury items in
the past but were almost mandatory now. Anyone wanting extra money could flip
burgers for 12.00 an hour weekends.
Now, Oh Brother, what a change. It no longer matters what or how you make a
living, it could be gone tomorrow. Housing costs here in the seacoast are
crazy, thanks to foresight I bought my own home 10 years ago, I went from
paying 400.00 a month for a two bedroom apartment to 600.00 a month for a 11 room
new home. In the last classified add in the paper I find a two bedroom
apartment costs 1,200--- 1,400 a month now. A home the size of mine rents for
2,200 a month and up ---- no utilities. The only way to live in this state
is now to bunk up as the Asians do. If you cannot by a home, rent and put
bunk beds in all rooms to rent out so everyone can save for the American dream,
their own home.
This war is another thing, in the last 18 months the sons and daughters of
family and friends being called up, it began as a trickle but now is no
longer unusual news, has become a torrent. I now know few people who do not now
have a family member , either over there or on call up.
> I feel he does not have the
>>imagination, either in himself or his staff, to deal with crisis of the
>magnitude of the Twin Towers. He went with the flow of emotion instead
>of pointing out how stupid and minor that strike really was
-----------------------
Yes John, you are right. Who could have known or had plans drawn up to deal
with this kind of disaster. I took a week off from work just to stay glued to
the T.V. and watch the drama unfold. What do I remember the most, well since
I have a 53 inch T.V. I can see the hair in the nose of everyone on the
screen, so I got a front row seat.
I remember the wild eyes of the secret service guarding the president.
When the news was relayed to Bush the people around him went nuts. I would
think they, the guards were all receiving conflicting instructions. I have heard
that Bush demanded to be taken to NYC but was overruled by someone with the
power to do so. Bush was thrown about like a bag of potatoes. No one was going
to listen to him and his commands, his guards had sworn an oath to die to
protect the president. When you think about it, this means , the guards could
have bound and gagged our president for his own good. Everyone around him was
hysterical, finger pointing and imagination gone wild. I don't think even his
mother who was as shocked as all Americans could have advised him at this
point.
While all this was going on I had a dream , in it Al Gore sat watching T.V.
and laughing his ass off, " wow that was close----you cheated to get the
office, now deal with it."
The sun is shining and the river calls to me. Got to grab my Kayak and see
what there is to see.
Life goes on around me but as long as I can get to the river, I
am in heaven.
Regards Vesta
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From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jun 4 11:41:28 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] UFOs
Message-ID: <206.26221b4.2fd34fc9@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/4/2005 4:26:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
javilk@mall-net.com writes:
Or look at Imperial China
for that matter. Stagnation
China ,-------- that was a smart move they made
John,----- look all around that saga in history. Boxer Rebellion, definitely
called for drastic means to save a country and their culture.
Stagnation ????? I think not. Hibernation perhaps but the wheels were
going around in china and it drove the rest of the world crazy trying to find
out what was going on in there.
There was no stagnation in China, by their standards, they just rightfully
closed their doors, and rearranged their goals and place in the world.
Science investigation continued behind the Dragon Doors. Life went on and the arts
excelled, the thinkers of China kept a weather eye on the doings of the
outside. They placed more emphases on living then war, hence the problems when the
Japanese invaded. They seemed to get their shit all in one sock after that
time.
Why they went communist is any ones guess, after WW2 did they need a way to
get arms ?
Curious thing, since they did not trust the west, what on earth came into
their minds that they could trust the Russians ?
Being who they were and their history, did they think they could beat the
crazy Russians at their own game?
John, I was at a coffee shop on the grounds of my Faith. I saw a very young
girl sitting alone, listening to the music. She sat alone for so long I went
to her and asked where her parents were. She said " they are in China ",
Wow, so who is looking after this child? I asked her where she was going to
school and she told me she lived on campus at the University of New Hampshire.
I asked her what she was studding and she laughed, this 16 year old was a
professor of biology, at 16 she was a flippen professor. Took my breath away.
Sooner or later Asia will get us, Will that be bad, will that be good.
Change is a constant, to survive we must adapt or die.
Regards Vesta
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Jun 4 12:06:18 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Zero love left.
In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jun 04,
2005 12:56:56 PM
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>
> That was a time of good people doing wrong and bad people doing good.
Most times are like that. Most important people do not rise to the
awareness of the masses. Yet it is those who create technology, the mad
scientists like us, who change the world as much, if not more than the
Leaders. Automobiles changed the face of America. Telephones... light
bulbs... penicillin etc.
> Old J. Edgar Hoover was a big time player in that insane time. I would give
> 100 bucks for a book that detailed how Nixon's boys forced Hoover to retire.
Black ops and something on everyone! Forced Kennedy to take LBJ
from what I hear.
> If Felt was indeed Deep Throat, I don't believe the driving force behind his
> motives was love of country. It may have been something as simple as getting
> Nixon before Nixon got him. What ever, a hero, or not, he did change history.
I don't know. What I heard in the news, makes it seem not that
he was missing things, but that he was manipulating Woodward with side
tales designed to mislead others who might identify him. Not unusual in
such setups.
> At this very moment Edward Nixon the younger brother of Richard is on FOX
> news. He is
> writing a book himself about Water Gate. He is saying that people in the
> future will come to know that his brother was a great man " when history is
> corrected " Now that statement gives me the willie-wass.
Nixon was a great man! But so were his faults! And in the end, we
still don't know if his opening China was the right move for us.
What I really got a bang out of, was the freak hail storm when
Nixon's casket was taken back to San Clemente. Were The Powers Above
playing his favorite, "Hail to the Chief"? Or were they stoning him?
He really changed the face of the world! vs Jimmy the peanut.
> Caligula (SP?) was not all bad either. Such a sweet little boy, his grand
> father called him Little Boots, so sad he made some errors as an adult.
> Now, is this an example of "correcting history" ??????
Poor Caligula, and Tiberius, too, victims of their times... Spent
too many times with their victims. Or what about Nero and his fiddle?
I often wonder if, given their backgrounds and the mores of their
times, would we do better? How much comes from the soul, and how much
from what we see and experience?
> --------
> > Bush... but what was the alternative? I feel he does not have the
> >>imagination, either in himself or his staff, to deal with crisis of the
> >magnitude of the Twin Towers. He went with the flow of emotion instead
> >of pointing out how stupid and minor that strike really was. As a
> >result, he let the nation panic and we all suffered incredible economic
> >losses TOTALLY UNRELATED to the direct economic effects of that set of
> >buildings collapsing.
> -------------------------------
> Mankind everywhere go to life or death struggles to become Supreme
> Commanders. The head high honcho, the big cheese, men to be feared, respected,
> admired, loved, hated, high drama every day they are in charge. They become a God of
> sorts in their own mind, there EGO has no bounds. POWER, ah the smell of
> absolute power has driven more then one world leader insane.
I remember reading about one of the great trail lawyers, I think it
was Rufus Choate, who wrote that he would rather be a dirt poor serf,
than a man like Napoleon, who killed so many and caused so much turmoil
in the world.
> In the past, in the days of kings, people were raised to be leaders. From
> the moment of birth these future kings and queens lost all rights that were
Yes!
> Poor man, he got caught up in his fathers dream and was expected to somehow
> gain the tools needed to lead with no help from anyone. I cannot fathom how
I don't know if it was his father's dream, or his. Nor do I see
him as that inept. (Not that ept either.)
> I don't think our leader has the ego, to lead. A puppet to his father from
I think he does; he just isn't able to articulate it that well.
Also, I think he does not want to be the imperial president. If he did,
the approach would be different, as would the writing team behind him.
Remember, Reagan did not write "Mr. Gorbachev, Tear down this
wall!" His speech writers did. But in his book, the man who did write
it said Reagan's style and focus were so clear, that it was very easy
to match the style and focus. And that Reagan read more than the
writing team did, from politics to science, and was always talking to
them, asking them to look at this or that.
I still remember that statement Reagan made about trees causing
pollution in cities. Everyone seemed to think he was nuts! Yet I'd read
the studies about six months before. Reagan was RIGHT! Auto pollution
plus tree pollution is worse pollution! But no one wanted to belive
him. Gee wiz... ever see the Blue Ridge mountains? Ever try to clean a
camera lens after a day in the woods with it uncapped? Trees give off A
LOT of tar-like air pollution!!! Though it's different from, and maybe
not as harmful to us as auto pollution.
One of the marks of the man's brilliance, was his ability to shoot
snakes out of the water at his home using a hand gun. None of the
secret service agents could hit a snake raising it's head out of the
water; but Reagan could, and did it consistently. The secret service
were using bullets. Reagan loaded his own shells... for that purpose,
with buckshot. It was a while before he told the agents why he could
hit the snakes so consistently.
> I would dare to guess that Greenspan is the actual power in this country.
> One stroke of his pen can make or break millions and millions of us.
Maybe... more complex than that; it's not personal power, it's
power to do good or get replaced. PRONTO!
> Now Clinton and his co-president wife were a hoot. Clinton could , like a
> computer take half a dozen problems and concentrate on them one at a time, no
> overlap or confusion in that mans mind. This very well educated president had
> the common sense to marry a woman smarter then he. It must have been hell
> for those who attempted to sell him on anything with Hillary around.
Remember the health care rationing plan? Draconian! 15 years in
jail for asking or giving any therapy not in the burro-crazy's book of
authorized medical treatments.
And all kinds of questions about why who died, how did money flow,
etc.
> I never gave a flying fig about his sex life, none of my business. Hillary
> herself only objected when it became public. I would rather have a Stud
Excuse me? The CIA was warning Clinton to tone it down because
they were finding his exploits in encrypted reports to other nations!!!
Blackmail is how some of the game of rule is run! The first thing
they want to know when evaluating someone for a security clearance, is
whether the person can be blackmailed!
You wonder how China gained influence? I think it was via
blackmail!
> Those were good years for New England, housing was reasonable, the middle
> class were headed up higher and the poor had jobs and could afford to live
> better then ever. Our shipyard had tons of work, summer visitors and winter
These were years our power and influence declined in the world. I
think he did far more harm than good.
> Now, Oh Brother, what a change. It no longer matters what or how you make a
> living, it could be gone tomorrow. Housing costs here in the seacoast are
> crazy, thanks to foresight I bought my own home 10 years ago, I went from
Oh yes! Things are not good. I am not happy. Too many H1b visas,
too much offshoring, etc. But the pendulum is swinging back a little.
> > I feel he does not have the
> >imagination, either in himself or his staff, to deal with crisis of the
> >magnitude of the Twin Towers. He went with the flow of emotion instead
> >of pointing out how stupid and minor that strike really was
> -----------------------
> Yes John, you are right. Who could have known or had plans drawn up to deal
> with this kind of disaster. I took a week off from work just to stay glued to
It is not plans, it is the moral fiber to SELECT what is important
-- the denial of victory to the enemy! And the reassurance of the
people. He did neither! And so the victory grew to eat our economy.
I do wonder what Nader would have done... How total an asshole he
might have become at that moment, or how great he might have been, had
he focused on reassuring us. But he might well have shown himself
clueless as to how to respond. And would we have trusted his
voice?
And Forbes. Great speech, but a single interview killed him when
it was clear he was too locked up by the stress of giving that speech.
How would he have handled it?
For that matter, how would we have handled it?
My like might have been "brilliant tactical move. But
strategically, it's a suicidal move for you and your cause." Or
"Coward! I'm your target, not innocent people. Now all you've done, is
made the remaining 275 million Americans mad at you. And we are going
to stomp you into the dust." Yes, I would have baited him to show the
world how ineffective he was. Because in a situation like that, the
president is disposable. His generals and his people are not. And that
stand rallies people instead of letting them tremble in fear.
(Even before election, I'd have already made the tape saying that
if you see this tape, I have been kidnaped or killed. My standing
orders are not to negotiate for my life. My orders are to strike them
hard, even if it means my death; for then at least, my death will be
quick!")
> the T.V. and watch the drama unfold. What do I remember the most, well since
> I have a 53 inch T.V. I can see the hair in the nose of everyone on the
> screen, so I got a front row seat.
What I remember, monitoring the search engines that day, was the
little spate of FBI queries, then "twin towers", "wtc", and "world
trade" rising rapidly to a huge peak. Within two or three hours, DSL /
high speed internet (I forget the exact terms) rose to a higher and
broader peak. That was followed in the afternoon by "Nostradamus"
rising to a peak not quite as high, but running top of the list for the
rest of the week! I didn't understand it... but that showed we were
scared out of our wits! All business stopped DEAD for me and many
others. And many businesses, unable to withstand the loss of revenue
for two weeks, failed.
> While all this was going on I had a dream , in it Al Gore sat watching T.V.
> and laughing his ass off, " wow that was close----you cheated to get the
> office, now deal with it."
And though I disagree about how it should have been handled, Bush
didn't do that bad a job of it. Not good! But not that bad.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 12:55:39 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Jun 4 12:55:49 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] If love is like a gas tank.
In-Reply-To: <1e9.3d4c6ac4.2fd22e94@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050604195540.74215.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
Vesta111@aol.com wrote:Hi Clyde,
Good to hear from you, have you been keeping up with us ?
NO.
I AM INSANE RIGHT NOW, WITH PROGRESS AT SLOW MOTION.
ALTHOUGH I AM ABLE TO PROGRESS FORWARD A LITTLE
BETTER NOW, SINCE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO MAKE
SOME THINGS HAPPEN.
I WILL FINALLY BE ABLE TO FINISH THE E.M. B-WAVE ENT.-MENT
PROJECT; WHICH REMINDS ME; AND I THINK I ALREADY ASKED, BUT
I WILL HAVE TO ASK AGAIN: JOHN (JAVILK,) HOW OFTEN DO YOU
USE YOUR E.M. B-WAVE ENT.-MENT; THE FREQUENCY-TIME OF
USEAGE?
Mbest sent us a killer article and John is in the bush with a temperature devise that he uses to run off the local Hells Angels. Me, I am still beating myself up for converting things that were not mine
Clyde, what do you do when you fall out of love with someone or something ?
DURING TRAFFIC THAT GOES NO-WHERE FAST, I USUALLY GET SO
GOD DAMNED ANGRY THAT I YELL AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS, AND
CUSS THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, AND PEOPLE WHO DO NOT DRIVE THE
WAY THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO.
You have still not told us why on earth you would stay in a life style you abhor.
MAYBE I SHOULDN'T BLAME MY PARENTS, OR MAYBE I SHOULD, BUT
I AM LIVING BLINDLY, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT I WAS RAISED, AND SO,
I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO GO OUT THERE AND MAKE ENOUGH MONEY
TO LIVE HAPPY AND FREE, AND IT HAS NOW DRIVEN ME INSANE.
I AM ABOUT TO START SAYING: GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH.
I WAS LOOKING THROUGH MY STEDMANS MEDICAL DICTIONARY, AND
LEARNED SOMETHING ABOUT THE PIT'S, IN PEACHES, AND WHAT THEY
CAN DO, WHEN PULVERIZED, AND (I WILL LEAVE THE REST OUT.....)
off subject,-------UFO-----I ask this question of everyone I meet at work. Lots of interesting answers, but, I would like to know especially from someone who practices science, has an interest in science, What is your take on possible alien visits and abductions ?
AS FAR AS ABDUCTIONS ARE CONCERNED, I COULD CARE LESS.
AS FAR AS ALIEN VISITS ARE CONCERNED; IF ALIENS HAVE VISITED
EARTH, AND IF THEY CONTINUE TO DO SO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE
FEDERAL GOV'T. DISCLOSE THE KNOWLEDGE OF EXTRATERRESTRIAL
VISITATION, IF IT IS INDEED A REALITY.
MOST IMPORATANT TO ME IS, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT ALIENS WOULD
HAVE; THAT IS WHAT INTERESTS ME THE MOST, AND THE POSSIBILITIES
OF 'ESOTERIC' SPACESHIP DESIGN.
You should know, Betty Hill died this year. She was old and Barney died years ago. We all in this community knew her and Barney, he was my mailman for a couple years when I lived in Rye.
Pease Air force Base closed down about 18 years ago but the air base shrink who tested the couple remained in the Portsmouth area for a few years after the closing. This man made buco bucks beating the drum for the Hills.
Betty was head of the Portsmouth library and SMART !!!!! She went against convention and married a black mail man, almost unheard of in that day. Barney Hill was no dummy himself, self assured and spunky. Barney was no JIVE TURKEY man, he was very well educated and not a man to panic under any earthly happening.
My Dad worked for the shipyard in Kittery Me. at the time, he also belonged to the Portsmouth Yacht Club. Dad was low on the totem pole at the club but as acting Master of the Navy Lodge, he got to people most of us never meet. So, he was interested as we all were and everything he heard from the base commander down to the shrink who ( owned a 65 foot sail boat ) was that these people to their knowledge were not telling a tall tail.
Yet, Dad could not believe in this stuff. If anything, he believed the Aliens if they were actual, were from earth, the future. He believed that sometime in the future man would learn how to travel back in time and was-- doing so. The strange pictures people drew of these aliens are too human to be from "off planet ".
Dad as a hard hat diver for the navy from the 40ies to the late 50ies knew what it takes to go into an alien life form. To live on this planet earth under water there are clothing and breathing and survival skills involved. he believed the so called aliens wore suits to protect them from our germs, and that in the future the havoc of nuclear waste caused man to be deformed and strange looking to us in our own time.
I found and read the books dad had read as a kid in grandmas attic. In the 30ies he read these small books in size of Buck Rodgers, regular size books of the submarine boys, all the action adventure stuff for kids with no t.v. Notice after 1938 all mention of atom guns etc was no longer mentioned. Even in the comic books of the time all mention of atoms were missing . Manhattan project was in full swing.
Clyde, can you in your wildest dreams, have any idea what it would take to pull that off in this day in age? Back then we were going head to head with the German scientists.
So Dad back then had seen how the military disposed of nuclear waste, get a gross of 50 gallon metal drums, fill them with hot waste, incase them in cement and drop them off the fan tail of a destroyer 200 miles off shore. Dad was so upset, he told me when I was a kid that I should not be surprised when I bought a lobster and it had two tails. Not that this is a bad thing for us lobster lovers, YUMMMMMM.
So Clyde do you agree with my dad or do you have other ideas ?
I DON'T KNOW, THE STORY IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO FOLLOW.
AS FAR AS NUCLEAR RADIOACTIVITY IS CONCERNED; I DID PLAY
THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE FOR A TIME, AND TO A CERTAIN DEGREE,
STILL DO, BUT NOW SINCE JOHN/JAVILK INTRODUCED ME TO ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT, AND ALPHA RADIO-ACTIVITY,
I SUPPORT THE LOW FREQUENCY PORTION OF THE E.M. SPECTRUM MORE.
I HOPE THAT WHAT I WROTE ABOVE, MAKES SENSE; RIGHT NOW I
FEEL HALF BRAIN DEAD, AND MY ANGER IS NUCLEAR AT THIS TIME.
CLYDE.
Regards vesta
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Jun 4 13:35:12 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Jun 4 13:35:16 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] If love is like a gas tank.
In-Reply-To: <20050604195540.74215.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 04, 2005 12:55:39 PM
Message-ID: <20050604203512.19817.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I AM INSANE RIGHT NOW, WITH PROGRESS AT SLOW MOTION.
> ALTHOUGH I AM ABLE TO PROGRESS FORWARD A LITTLE
> BETTER NOW, SINCE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO MAKE
> SOME THINGS HAPPEN.
Everything welling up.
> I WILL FINALLY BE ABLE TO FINISH THE E.M. B-WAVE ENT.-MENT
> PROJECT; WHICH REMINDS ME; AND I THINK I ALREADY ASKED, BUT
> I WILL HAVE TO ASK AGAIN: JOHN (JAVILK,) HOW OFTEN DO YOU
> USE YOUR E.M. B-WAVE ENT.-MENT; THE FREQUENCY-TIME OF
> USEAGE?
7.83 hz (anything around there is ok)
> DURING TRAFFIC THAT GOES NO-WHERE FAST, I USUALLY GET SO
> GOD DAMNED ANGRY THAT I YELL AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS, AND
> CUSS THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, AND PEOPLE WHO DO NOT DRIVE THE
> WAY THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO.
too much adrenaline, not enough iodine?
> You have still not told us why on earth you would stay in a life style you abhor.
>
> MAYBE I SHOULDN'T BLAME MY PARENTS, OR MAYBE I SHOULD, BUT
> I AM LIVING BLINDLY, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT I WAS RAISED, AND SO,
> I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO GO OUT THERE AND MAKE ENOUGH MONEY
> TO LIVE HAPPY AND FREE, AND IT HAS NOW DRIVEN ME INSANE.
I am unsure what to say. Perhaps I will have some ideas later.
> I AM ABOUT TO START SAYING: GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH.
> I WAS LOOKING THROUGH MY STEDMANS MEDICAL DICTIONARY, AND
> LEARNED SOMETHING ABOUT THE PIT'S, IN PEACHES, AND WHAT THEY
> CAN DO, WHEN PULVERIZED, AND (I WILL LEAVE THE REST OUT.....)
Can take a lot of them.
> I HOPE THAT WHAT I WROTE ABOVE, MAKES SENSE; RIGHT NOW I
> FEEL HALF BRAIN DEAD, AND MY ANGER IS NUCLEAR AT THIS TIME.
Does traffic, whether you are driving in it or not, raise your
anger levels? What other situations do?
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From justinhart at gmail.com Sat Jun 4 13:47:35 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Sat Jun 4 13:48:02 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Science and Such
Message-ID:
Hi,
What sorts of science are discussed on this list? I tripped over it
when I google'd "mad scientist."
--
Justin W. Hart
From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Jun 4 13:58:30 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Jun 4 13:58:34 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Science and Such
In-Reply-To: from "Justin Hart" at
Jun 04, 2005 04:47:35 PM
Message-ID: <20050604205831.35889.qmail@mall-net.com>
> What sorts of science are discussed on this list? I tripped over it
> when I google'd "mad scientist."
Any science you want! Come, dilute the politics, say something
more interesting!
We've got computer scientists, chemists, physicists... and a bunch
of too-quitet scientists as well.
I've still to get one quantum guy to comment on Farnsworth's
nuclear fusion...
-javilk- mall-net.com
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Jun 4 22:44:34 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Sat Jun 4 22:44:50 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Simulating the Universe, with 35 TB of data
Message-ID: <002601c56991$a778bf90$6401a8c0@mikey>
http://www.pparc.ac.uk/Nw/millennium_sim.asp
From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Jun 4 22:59:34 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Sat Jun 4 22:59:47 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Cosmos 1 to launch June 21
Message-ID: <002801c56993$bfcd29d0$6401a8c0@mikey>
The first solar sail spacecraft!
http://www.planetary.org/solarsail/index.html
From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Jun 5 09:15:38 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jun 5 09:15:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Cosmos 1 to launch June 21
Message-ID: <99.5fd194df.2fd47f2a@aol.com>
_http://www.planetary.org/solarsail/index.html_
(http://www.planetary.org/solarsail/index.html)
Thank you so much, mbest, I may have held my breath all the time I was
reading your link.
Never in my wildest dreams did I believe I would live long enough to see
this come about.
Not knowing anything about anything, just enjoying my kitchen chemistry,
believe me baking is all about chemistry . These here solar sailing ships
are right out of my fathers," Some day you will see," Sea tales.
The concept is easy enough to grasp, Lets see if I have the concept correct.
A Fleet Ballistic Russian submarine is going to blast the unmanned ship
into space. The ship will blast out of earths orbit. Then the sails will
emerge from the craft and with the mirrors installed will amplify the light from
our star, Sol, and begin to move ever so slowly. It will pick up speed as it
travels, going faster and faster unless it bumps into a planet, comet or
asteroid .
Because the craft never slows but increases speed, it will no longer need
the sails, just rely on inertia? Can a craft withstand the forces within and
without that will sooner or later be placed upon it. At a super speed, will the
craft create its own gravity field causing it to implode.
Speed causes increase in g-force on earth. Question, the speed of light, do
the atoms have a gravity of there own ?
Sorry, I ask these stupid questions, the pictures are there in my mind and
not being educated in this field , it is impossible for me to (not ) try to
understand them.
Regards Vesta
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Jun 5 12:29:40 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Sun Jun 5 12:29:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Cosmos 1 to launch June 21
Message-ID: <001301c56a04$eb51b0a0$6401a8c0@mikey>
> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 12:15:38 EDT
> From: Vesta111@aol.com
> (http://www.planetary.org/solarsail/index.html)
> The concept is easy enough to grasp, Lets see if I have the concept
correct.
You have the concept correct, Vesta.
> A Fleet Ballistic Russian submarine is going to blast the unmanned
ship
> into space. The ship will blast out of earths orbit. Then the sails will
> emerge from the craft and with the mirrors installed will amplify the
light from
> our star, Sol, and begin to move ever so slowly. It will pick up speed as
it
> travels, going faster and faster unless it bumps into a planet, comet or
> asteroid .
Therein lies the rub- at those speeds, a grain of sand is a deadly missile!
Further, coronal mass ejections (CME's) from Sol would literally nuke any
life aboard a ship that was in the way. This was a serious concern during
the Apollo program- men on the moon had no defense, and could be fried had
there been a CME.
> Because the craft never slows but increases speed, it will no longer need
> the sails, just rely on inertia? Can a craft withstand the forces within
and
> without that will sooner or later be placed upon it. At a super speed,
will the
> craft create its own gravity field causing it to implode.
Relativistic mechanics apply here. To the best of our current knowledge,
the ship would appear to be stationary, from an internal inertial reference.
> Speed causes increase in g-force on earth.
No. Acceleration creates the G-forces.
> Question, the speed of light, do
> the atoms have a gravity of there own ?
No, they are just infinitesimally thin!
The understanding of gravity is the Holy Grail of modern physics.
> Sorry, I ask these stupid questions, the pictures are there in my mind
and
> not being educated in this field , it is impossible for me to (not ) try
to
> understand them.
There is NO stupid question, except the one not asked. This trial will be a
modern day Michaelson-Morley experiment, validating or refuting The General
Theory of Relativity by Einstein. From it may well come a new theory of
reality.
Now I'll reveal that I have been working, privately, for several years on
reactionless propulsion. I have made progress, producing significant forces
in the lab without using the Newtonian law of action/reaction. I have
created more questions than I have answered, and actually fear where this
work is leading, as I do not understand the forces I am playing with. I've
mentioned this to Javilk before.
But I think my investigations may lend a clue to the technology that can
take man to the stars. There will soon come a time where I must seek help
from others to interpret my results.
-MB
From justinhart at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 12:46:53 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Sun Jun 5 12:47:04 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Cosmos 1 to launch June 21
In-Reply-To: <001301c56a04$eb51b0a0$6401a8c0@mikey>
References: <001301c56a04$eb51b0a0$6401a8c0@mikey>
Message-ID:
> But I think my investigations may lend a clue to the technology that can
> take man to the stars. There will soon come a time where I must seek help
> from others to interpret my results.
>
> -MB
Don't hold back. As the chair of my department urged our new PhD's at
commencement, research should be shared. What have you been doing?
--
Justin W. Hart
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 16:16:23 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun Jun 5 16:23:47 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] GEORGE BUSH.
Message-ID: <20050605231624.92106.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
GEORGE BUSH:
GEORGE BUSH HAS GONE TOO FAR.
HE HAS NOT ONLY FUCKED THIS COUNTRY, AND
THE MIDDLE EAST, BUT HE HAS FUCKED THE REST
OF THE WORLD TOO.
NOT ONLY HAS HE ANGERED THE REST OF THE
ENTIRE WORLD, BUT HE HAS ANGERED THE
UNITED STATES CITIZENS AS WELL, AND HAS
PLUNGED THIS COUNTRY INTO FINANCIAL,
ECONOMIC, AND ECOLOGICAL DARKNESS.
GEORGE BUSH IS A DECEPTOR, AND A HYPOCRITE,
AND I HAVE NO MORE LOVE LEFT FOR HIM.
HE HAS ALSO MADE AMERICA ANGRY AT THE REST
OF THE WORLD, AND CONTINUES TO INVOKE WAR
ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DIVIDE.
I SAY IMPEACH BUSH AND REPLACE HIM WITH A
SAVIOR FOR THIS CURSED COUNTRY.
BECAUSE I AM BOTH TIRED, AND SICK OF GEORGE
BUSH PLAYING BOTH GAMES, AND WARGAMES,
WITH MY HEART, AND WITH THE PEOPLE'S
HEARTS, ALL OVER THE WORLD.
PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND PEOPLE
THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, ARE BURNING THE
THE UNITED DIVIDED STATES FLAG, FOR GOOD
REASON.
GEORGE BUSH HAS FUCKED THIS COUNTRY, AND
HAS FUCKED THE ENTIRE WORLD, AND THE
DUMBASS MASSES OF STUPID SHEEPLE PEOPLE,
ARE TOO --- DAMNED IGNORANT TO EVEN WAKE
UP AND SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON IN THE
MODERN POLITICAL BULLSHIT SCENE.
CLYDE LOFTON
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From justinhart at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 17:25:22 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Sun Jun 5 17:25:33 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] GEORGE BUSH.
In-Reply-To: <20050605231624.92106.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050605231624.92106.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
This is more "mad" than "science," right?
Justin
On 6/5/05, clyde lofton wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> GEORGE BUSH:
>
> GEORGE BUSH HAS GONE TOO FAR.
> HE HAS NOT ONLY FUCKED THIS COUNTRY, AND
> THE MIDDLE EAST, BUT HE HAS FUCKED THE REST
> OF THE WORLD TOO.
> NOT ONLY HAS HE ANGERED THE REST OF THE
> ENTIRE WORLD, BUT HE HAS ANGERED THE
> UNITED STATES CITIZENS AS WELL, AND HAS
> PLUNGED THIS COUNTRY INTO FINANCIAL,
> ECONOMIC, AND ECOLOGICAL DARKNESS.
> GEORGE BUSH IS A DECEPTOR, AND A HYPOCRITE,
> AND I HAVE NO MORE LOVE LEFT FOR HIM.
> HE HAS ALSO MADE AMERICA ANGRY AT THE REST
> OF THE WORLD, AND CONTINUES TO INVOKE WAR
> ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DIVIDE.
> I SAY IMPEACH BUSH AND REPLACE HIM WITH A
> SAVIOR FOR THIS CURSED COUNTRY.
> BECAUSE I AM BOTH TIRED, AND SICK OF GEORGE
> BUSH PLAYING BOTH GAMES, AND WARGAMES,
> WITH MY HEART, AND WITH THE PEOPLE'S
> HEARTS, ALL OVER THE WORLD.
> PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND PEOPLE
> THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, ARE BURNING THE
> THE UNITED DIVIDED STATES FLAG, FOR GOOD
> REASON.
> GEORGE BUSH HAS FUCKED THIS COUNTRY, AND
> HAS FUCKED THE ENTIRE WORLD, AND THE
> DUMBASS MASSES OF STUPID SHEEPLE PEOPLE,
> ARE TOO --- DAMNED IGNORANT TO EVEN WAKE
> UP AND SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON IN THE
> MODERN POLITICAL BULLSHIT SCENE.
>
> CLYDE LOFTON
>
>
>
>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jun 5 18:08:19 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Jun 5 18:08:35 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] GEORGE BUSH.
In-Reply-To: <20050605231624.92106.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 05, 2005 04:16:23 PM
Message-ID: <20050606010819.79611.qmail@mall-net.com>
> GEORGE BUSH:
>
> GEORGE BUSH HAS GONE TOO FAR.
> HE HAS NOT ONLY FUCKED THIS COUNTRY, AND
> THE MIDDLE EAST, BUT HE HAS FUCKED THE REST
> OF THE WORLD TOO.
No more so than the previous administration. Probably less, in
fact. Not great! But not that bad. I mean, just look at Jimmy the
Peanut! Stagflation, 55mph speed limits, and the hostages in Iran. I
could not get any work, scientific, mad, or not during the last three
years of his rein.
The phones started ringing again the day after Reagan was elected!
And soon, I had the money for another of my mad science ideas.
> NOT ONLY HAS HE ANGERED THE REST OF THE
> ENTIRE WORLD, BUT HE HAS ANGERED THE
> UNITED STATES CITIZENS AS WELL, AND HAS
> PLUNGED THIS COUNTRY INTO FINANCIAL,
> ECONOMIC, AND ECOLOGICAL DARKNESS.
Well, the failure was in full swing by the end of the Clinton
administration. NAFTA shafta! Plus the loss of confidence, etc.
> GEORGE BUSH IS A DECEPTOR, AND A HYPOCRITE,
> AND I HAVE NO MORE LOVE LEFT FOR HIM.
Part of America agrees with you, and part disagrees. I'm with the
part that says he's not that bad, and hopes the next election has
considerably better to chose from. Till then, I favor Bush over the
folks in the the other parties that he ran against.
It's a little hard to find a good replacement. You might look
around to see who's campaign you can volunteer to help. There are
several parties you can join. Libertarians aren't that bad; they've
won some seats in various states. Put your words to fair action by
really participating in the election process. Just remember to follow
the rules of fair play. You will meet interesting people, make new
friends, and DO someting instead of thinking that you are powerless.
You will really partake of America.
And if you start really helping a party, you can see if that party
exists in any other state you want to move to. This will give you some
contacts and good introductions which could be helpful should you move.
If you join a party with the thought of moving; then Libertarian is
small enough that you would likely be appreciated in the new state.
That's part of what politics is all about -- you scratch my back,
and I'll scratch your back.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jun 5 18:26:36 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Jun 5 18:26:40 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Cosmos 1 to launch June 21
In-Reply-To: <001301c56a04$eb51b0a0$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Jun
05, 2005 03:29:40 PM
Message-ID: <20050606012636.90824.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> > Question, the speed of light, do=20
> > the atoms have a gravity of there own ?
> =20
> No, they are just infinitesimally thin! =20
The atoms DO have, or cause a gravity. It is just very small
compared to other aggregates of atoms.
> The understanding of gravity is the Holy Grail of modern physics.=20
Yes. If one theory of Zero Point Energy is correct, gravity and
inertia may be alterable. That would be great! But... if it were
that easy, where are the visitors from other systems?
> There is NO stupid question, except the one not asked. This trial will =
Yep! That's why on so many projects, I start out the fool, asking
the fool's questions. In the end, they think of me as the expert.
The Oracles of Delphi (high on ethylene gas) said Socrates was a
wise man. Yet Socrates was known for his persistence in asking people
questions about all sorts of things, delving into the details till they
became contradictory folk lore. The interpretation was that Socrates
knew that he didn't know, and hence was wiser than those who thought
they knew things.
> modern day Michaelson-Morley experiment, validating or refuting The =
> General
> Theory of Relativity by Einstein. From it may well come a new theory of
> reality.
I thought the solar sail experiment dealt with something else, some
aspects that are contradictory. Some theories say that the sail can not
work. Others say it will. the vacuum packed vanes in Crook's Tube move
not from light reflected by the white side, which would cause the white
sides to be the trailing sides; but by atoms heated by the black side,
pushing the black side.
> But I think my investigations may lend a clue to the technology that can
> take man to the stars. There will soon come a time where I must seek =
> help from others to interpret my results.
I think not; but if we don't try, we'll never know. And if they
succeed... then the gain will be very large!
Remember, we have to be ready to abandon earth by 2085, I think it
is, when that comet (Swift-Tuttle???) comes at us just a little too
close for comfort.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From justinhart at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 23:43:31 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Sun Jun 5 23:43:41 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hobby Robotics
Message-ID:
Hey all,
I am interested in finding a list for hobby robotics enthusiasts (or
even a hobby robot club if there is one in NY state somewhere).
Does anybody know where such a list may be found? Are hobby robotics
projects appropriate for this list?
--
Justin W. Hart
From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jun 6 00:34:29 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Jun 6 00:34:36 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hobby Robotics
In-Reply-To: from "Justin Hart" at
Jun 06, 2005 02:43:31 AM
Message-ID: <20050606073429.91593.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I am interested in finding a list for hobby robotics enthusiasts (or
> even a hobby robot club if there is one in NY state somewhere).
Try Google.
> Does anybody know where such a list may be found? Are hobby robotics
> projects appropriate for this list?
Of course!
Back in the mid 90's, I use to belong to a hobby robotics club in
Palo Alto, California. There are a number of such clubs across the USA
and in other countries.
I'm sill interested in the topic myself. I built two robotic
devices, Klankenspiel, a platform between two bicycle wheels, and
Klunkenspiel, a 2x4 frame for a Velociraptor / waddler.
Klankenspiel would spin whenever one of the bicycle type drive
chains came off. Cut a good hand-sized chunk out of a concrete curb in
one spot. Easy to operate by pulsing the motors as I ran behind it.
My (primitive vertebrate brain) firmware coordinated my feet and my
hands, or my thumbs so it was like walking the robot with my hands,
letting me steer it by holding the button down longer or shorter, much
like pushing off harder with one leg or the other.
Had a microprocessor on that for a while, but one of the ports
burned out the day before a contest.
Klunkenspiel... ah, poor Klunkenspiel. He stood up, smashed his
head against a beam on the apartment balcony roof, wrenched out his hip
hinge, and collapsed. Since I could not get stronger hip hinges... I
just let it sit till I had to move, then tossed it.
Got a job just by talking about those two robots. My take was that
two engineers at HP wanted to hear more, so they called me in for an
interview. Never did ask if I had any skills related to the job at
hand. But of course, anyone working with computerized robotics could
write bios level stuff... (Shuurrreeee) But I did ok.
Had I finished Klunkenspiel, I could have demonstrated him in
parking lots of engineering companies, and gotten more work. One does
the lunch time demo thing by appointment. It gets one in the door.
Short talk about how it was built and the skills you have which are
related to what you could do for the company (don't over-pitch here),
and then ask if they have any work that relates to the skills you
mentioned. Also ask if they have friends at other companies, pass out
business cards saying something about call for lunchtime robot demo,
collect phone numbers, etc.
I've seen things like this done very successfully here in the
Silicon Valley engineering firms.
I mean today, with all the wireless LAN cards and all that, you
could have an older notebook machine run the motors from the printer
port, and your notebook communicating to the robot's notebook, allowing
you to run the robot. Back in the early 90's... that wasn't so easy!
-J- Javilk@Mall-Net.com
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From justinhart at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 01:53:17 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Mon Jun 6 01:53:26 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hobby Robotics
In-Reply-To: <20050606073429.91593.qmail@mall-net.com>
References:
<20050606073429.91593.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID:
> Try Google.
Tried it real quick before mailing the list, but thought that people
on the list might have some suggestions regarding prior experience.
Found a couple on Google that I'm looking into.
> Back in the mid 90's, I use to belong to a hobby robotics club in
> Palo Alto, California. There are a number of such clubs across the USA
> and in other countries.
Nifty! I browsed to that club's site a few times. If I'm ever down
in the area, I definately want to check out one of their meetings.
> Got a job just by talking about those two robots. My take was that
> two engineers at HP wanted to hear more, so they called me in for an
> interview. Never did ask if I had any skills related to the job at
> hand. But of course, anyone working with computerized robotics could
> write bios level stuff... (Shuurrreeee) But I did ok.
Very cool.
>
> Had I finished Klunkenspiel, I could have demonstrated him in
> parking lots of engineering companies, and gotten more work. One does
> the lunch time demo thing by appointment. It gets one in the door.
> Short talk about how it was built and the skills you have which are
> related to what you could do for the company (don't over-pitch here),
> and then ask if they have any work that relates to the skills you
> mentioned. Also ask if they have friends at other companies, pass out
> business cards saying something about call for lunchtime robot demo,
> collect phone numbers, etc.
Very cool. Proper self-promotion is something that I've tried to
improve on. I think that I did an ok job of it when I was in
business, and that I'm getting better at it now that I'm back in
academia.
Do you have any photos of these robots?
Also, another semi-technical question. Does anybody have experience
with RFID? I am interested in, perhaps, building a robotic chess
board. I think that I could perhaps meet my needs for identifying
which pieces are where with some sort of short-range RFID solution,
but perhaps not. Any suggestions? I'd like to avoid any need for
such devices as overhead cameras, or things that would make the board
clunky or bulky.
I'm considering moving the pieces around with magnets under the board,
rather than an arm or the like, so solutions to the problem of
identifying pieces would need to be resilient to some degree of
magnetic interference.
--
Justin W. Hart
From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jun 6 11:37:30 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Jun 6 11:37:34 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hobby Robotics
In-Reply-To: from "Justin Hart" at
Jun 06, 2005 04:53:17 AM
Message-ID: <20050606183730.37733.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > Had I finished Klunkenspiel, I could have demonstrated him in
> > parking lots of engineering companies, and gotten more work. One does
> Very cool. Proper self-promotion is something that I've tried to
> improve on. I think that I did an ok job of it when I was in
> business, and that I'm getting better at it now that I'm back in
> academia.
>
> Do you have any photos of these robots?
Somewhere, I have a video of Klankenspiel bashing the appliances in
the kitchen as I try to get it to run down the linoleum floor from the
edge of the dining room carpet to the pantry.
All that Klankenspiel was, was two bicycle tires with a steel
platform for motors and a battery. Ugly!
> Also, another semi-technical question. Does anybody have experience
> with RFID? I am interested in, perhaps, building a robotic chess
> board. I think that I could perhaps meet my needs for identifying
> which pieces are where with some sort of short-range RFID solution,
> but perhaps not. Any suggestions? I'd like to avoid any need for
> such devices as overhead cameras, or things that would make the board
> clunky or bulky.
Commercial RFID has too much of a range for that. I would either
build my own, or use bar codes on the bases, and play the game on a
flatbed scanner.
> I'm considering moving the pieces around with magnets under the board,
> rather than an arm or the like, so solutions to the problem of
> identifying pieces would need to be resilient to some degree of
> magnetic interference.
How do you castle? How do you move a knight, or a taken piece out
of a surround?
Is the objective to build the robotics to be able to move the
pieces, or to write software to explore the game logic?
-J- Javilk@Mall-Net.com
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 13:46:44 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Jun 6 13:46:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Radioactivity; (Cover version).
Message-ID: <20050606204644.32275.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
Song: Radioactivity; (Cover version)
Original song, by: Ralf Huetter,
and Florian Schneider: Kraftwerk.
Cover version, by: Clyde Lofton.
Radioactivity:
Stop nuclear radioactivity.
Because it's about Alpha radioactivity
vs. Omega radioactivity.
Radioactivity (Spoken, and with Morse code).
Stop nuclear radioactivity.
Harmful high frequency negative energy.
Destructor of unity.
Detrimental to humanity.
Non nuclear radioactivity.
Is in the air for you and me.
Population unification, and regeneration.
Stop nuclear radioactivity.
Harmful high frequency negative energy.
Destructor of unity.
Detrimental to biology.
But radioactivity wants to be free.
Not all radioactivity is in the air for
you and me.
Stop nuclear radioactivity.
Nuclear ionization, and mutation.
Mass degeneration of population.
Stop nuclear radioactivity.
It isn't in the air for you and me.
(S.O.S. Morse code fade out).
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Jun 6 23:14:47 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Mon Jun 6 23:14:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Computational modeling of bacteria
Message-ID: <003301c56b28$35292540$6401a8c0@mikey>
In recent years, single-cell biology has focused on the relationship between
the stochastic nature of molecular interactions and variability of cellular
behavior. To describe this relationship, it is necessary to develop new
computational approaches at the single cell level.
We have developed AgentCell, a model using agent-based technology to study
the relationship between stochastic intracellular processes and behavior of
individual cells. As a test-bed for our approach we use bacterial
chemotaxis, one of the best-characterized biological systems. In this model,
each bacterium is an agent equipped with its own chemotaxis network, motors
and flagella. Swimming cells are free to move in a 3D environment. Digital
chemotaxis assays reproduce experimental data obtained from both single
cells and bacterial populations.
http://flash.uchicago.edu/~emonet/biology/agentcell/
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 15:46:21 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Jun 8 15:47:18 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] If love is like a gas tank.
In-Reply-To: <20050604203512.19817.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050608224621.94123.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> I AM INSANE RIGHT NOW, WITH PROGRESS AT SLOW MOTION.
> ALTHOUGH I AM ABLE TO PROGRESS FORWARD A LITTLE
> BETTER NOW, SINCE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO MAKE
> SOME THINGS HAPPEN.
Everything welling up. YEAH; TO EITHER A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION, OR
PLUNGING THIS CITY INTO THE BLACK HOLE THAT IT LEVITATES OVER.
> I WILL FINALLY BE ABLE TO FINISH THE E.M. B-WAVE ENT.-MENT
> PROJECT; WHICH REMINDS ME; AND I THINK I ALREADY ASKED, BUT
> I WILL HAVE TO ASK AGAIN: JOHN (JAVILK,) HOW OFTEN DO YOU
> USE YOUR E.M. B-WAVE ENT.-MENT; THE FREQUENCY-TIME OF
> USEAGE?
7.83 hz (anything around there is ok) ACTUALLY WHAT I MEANT BY THE
QUESTION IS: DO YOU USE THE E.M. B-WAVE ENTRAINMENT APPARATUS,
DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY???
WHAT IS THE TIME 'SCHEDULE' THAT YOU USE IT ON, IF ANY SCHEDULE AT ALL???
> DURING TRAFFIC THAT GOES NO-WHERE FAST, I USUALLY GET SO
> GOD DAMNED ANGRY THAT I YELL AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS, AND
> CUSS THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, AND PEOPLE WHO DO NOT DRIVE THE
> WAY THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO.
too much adrenaline, not enough iodine? I NEED AN ADRENALINE REDUCTION
DRUG, IF SUCH EXISTS; DO YOU KNOW OF ANY VITAMINS THAT ARE
NATURAL ADRENAL REDUCERS???
I GOT A VITAMIN-B COMPLEX SHOT INJECTION AT MY CHIROPRACTOR,
LASY MONTH, AND IT SEEMED TO HELP ME TO A CERTAIN EXTENT;
ALSO; IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, ISN'T IODINE WHAT PEOPLE USE, WHO
ARE EXPOSED TO HIGH FREQUENCY NUCLEAR RADIATION???
> You have still not told us why on earth you would stay in a life style you abhor.
>
> MAYBE I SHOULDN'T BLAME MY PARENTS, OR MAYBE I SHOULD, BUT
> I AM LIVING BLINDLY, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT I WAS RAISED, AND SO,
> I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO GO OUT THERE AND MAKE ENOUGH MONEY
> TO LIVE HAPPY AND FREE, AND IT HAS NOW DRIVEN ME INSANE.
I am unsure what to say. Perhaps I will have some ideas later. YEAH, I'D
LIKE TO GET FEEDBACK ON ANY IDEAS THAT ARE GOOD.
I AM CONSIDERING PACKING UP LIGHTLY, AND HEADING OUT, TO
FORT COLLINS COLORADO, BECAUSE OF MY INSPIRATION OF THE UNIVERSAL COORDINATED TIME, TALKING CLOCK SHORTWAVE STATIONS,
AT THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF STANDARDS AND TECHOLOGY:
STATION W.W.V. ON: 2.5, 5, 10, 15, AND 20 'MHZ.' (MEGACYCLES), ON SHORTWAVE BROADCAST.
> I AM ABOUT TO START SAYING: GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH.
> I WAS LOOKING THROUGH MY STEDMANS MEDICAL DICTIONARY, AND
> LEARNED SOMETHING ABOUT THE PIT'S, IN PEACHES, AND WHAT THEY
> CAN DO, WHEN PULVERIZED, AND (I WILL LEAVE THE REST OUT.....)
Can take a lot of them. A LOT: MAYBE 10 PULVERIZED PEACH PITS TOTAL???
> I HOPE THAT WHAT I WROTE ABOVE, MAKES SENSE; RIGHT NOW I
> FEEL HALF BRAIN DEAD, AND MY ANGER IS NUCLEAR AT THIS TIME.
Does traffic, whether you are driving in it or not, raise your
anger levels?
YES.
What other situations do?
WHEN I'M WORKING MY ASS OFF, TRYING TO PERFECT SOMETHING,
AND WHEN SOMETHING FAILS, OR WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG.
THAT MAKES ME VERY ANGRY, TO THE POINT OF WANTING TO SMASH
THINGS, AND THROW THINGS.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jun 8 20:07:21 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Jun 8 20:07:42 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] If love is like a gas tank.
In-Reply-To: <20050608224621.94123.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 08, 2005 03:46:21 PM
Message-ID: <20050609030721.45607.qmail@mall-net.com>
> 7.83 hz (anything around there is ok) ACTUALLY WHAT I MEANT BY THE
>
> QUESTION IS: DO YOU USE THE E.M. B-WAVE ENTRAINMENT APPARATUS,
>
> DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY???
I haven't used it in a fair while because i've not really needed it
that much. And when I did... didn't think of it because it wasn't
convenient... I broke some wires again.
Basically, I only use it when I feel that I need it. And then,
maybe five or ten minutes, if that.
>
> too much adrenaline, not enough iodine? I NEED AN ADRENALINE REDUCTION
> DRUG, IF SUCH EXISTS; DO YOU KNOW OF ANY VITAMINS THAT ARE
> NATURAL ADRENAL REDUCERS???
Serotonin balancing might be more appropriate. Try some almonds,
maybe turkey if you can. Niacin...
> I GOT A VITAMIN-B COMPLEX SHOT INJECTION AT MY CHIROPRACTOR,
> LASY MONTH, AND IT SEEMED TO HELP ME TO A CERTAIN EXTENT;
> ALSO; IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, ISN'T IODINE WHAT PEOPLE USE, WHO
> ARE EXPOSED TO HIGH FREQUENCY NUCLEAR RADIATION???
They use potassium iodide to dilute the radioactive iodine which is
a decay product of some fission.
>
> I am unsure what to say. Perhaps I will have some ideas later. YEAH, I'D
>
> LIKE TO GET FEEDBACK ON ANY IDEAS THAT ARE GOOD.
> I AM CONSIDERING PACKING UP LIGHTLY, AND HEADING OUT, TO
> FORT COLLINS COLORADO, BECAUSE OF MY INSPIRATION OF THE UNIVERSAL
>COORDINATED TIME, TALKING CLOCK SHORTWAVE STATIONS,
Not much of a reason, I fear. but getting out for a vacation
might not be such a bad idea. If you are allergic to things in the
> > I WAS LOOKING THROUGH MY STEDMANS MEDICAL DICTIONARY, AND
> > LEARNED SOMETHING ABOUT THE PIT'S, IN PEACHES, AND WHAT THEY
> > CAN DO, WHEN PULVERIZED, AND (I WILL LEAVE THE REST OUT.....)
>
> Can take a lot of them. A LOT: MAYBE 10 PULVERIZED PEACH PITS TOTAL???
Well, I usually go to a Chinese supermarket, and they have all kinds
of things. Their "small almonds" are probably apricot pits, what
amygdalin or leatril was made from.
> > I HOPE THAT WHAT I WROTE ABOVE, MAKES SENSE; RIGHT NOW I
> > FEEL HALF BRAIN DEAD, AND MY ANGER IS NUCLEAR AT THIS TIME.
>
> Does traffic, whether you are driving in it or not, raise your
> anger levels?
>
> YES.
Could have something to do with petrochemical fumes. In my case, I
burn up dopamine and start suffering Parkinson's-like symptoms, the
waddling gate, difficulty in raising my right foot, marked coarsening of
the coordination on the right hand. (I am a lefty.)
One of the tests I do, is to try to tap the fingers of my right
hand in a musical pattern, as if i were playing a trumpet or such. I
type for a living, so I should have no troubles... but when I'm exposed
to auto fumes, that find coordination goes to pieces, and I can't do
that fine trumpet drill with my right hand. And if it goes on too long,
I simply fall over, fully conscious, but unable to move very well.
> What other situations do?
>
> WHEN I'M WORKING MY ASS OFF, TRYING TO PERFECT SOMETHING,
> AND WHEN SOMETHING FAILS, OR WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG.
> THAT MAKES ME VERY ANGRY, TO THE POINT OF WANTING TO SMASH
> THINGS, AND THROW THINGS.
That, I suspect, is something quite different. But that kind of
anger disrupts one's thoughts, making it much harder to attain one's
goals.
An interesting question is whether this is due to your intolerance
of your own mistakes, or is an excuse to discharge tension due to a
pre-existing adrenaline overload.
My form of concentration is quite the opposite. I relax, trying to
minimize the influence of adrenaline on the brain. This way, I can see
more possibilities. And so find ways around the problems, instead of
trying to "tough through them" the way so many macho idiots try.
Another friend said this was like the Zazen meditation. Which...
from what I have read, appears to make use of a higher 7.83hz pattern in
the brain waves.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 12:12:12 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Jun 9 12:12:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] If love is like a gas tank.
In-Reply-To: <20050609030721.45607.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050609191212.64094.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> ACTUALLY WHAT I MEANT BY THE QUESTION IS: DO YOU USE THE E.M. B- WAVE ENTRAINMENT APPARATUS,
> DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY???
I haven't used it in a fair while because i've not really needed it
that much. And when I did... didn't think of it because it wasn't
convenient... I broke some wires again.
Basically, I only use it when I feel that I need it. And then,
maybe five or ten minutes, if that.
OK.
Serotonin balancing might be more appropriate. Try some almonds,
maybe turkey if you can. Niacin...
OK; I DID BUY SOME ALMOND BUTTER LAST MONTH, BUT IT DIDN'T LAST
VERY LONG FOR THE SMALL JAR THAT I WAS ONLY ABLE TO BUY, DUE TO
MY LACK OF MONEY TO BE ABLE TO BUY A LARGER QUANTITY.
I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO IF SEROTONIN IS AVAILABLE AT THE LOCAL HEALTH
STORES; I KNOW THAT MELATONIN IS, BECAUSE I PURCHASED SOME, BUT
WAS ONLY ABLE TO USE THAT FOR A WHILE, BEFORE THE EFFECTS OF IT
DIDN'T WORK ANYMORE, AND STARTED AIDING IN HEART TROUBLES AFTER
A WHILE.
> YEAH, I'D LIKE TO GET FEEDBACK ON ANY IDEAS THAT ARE GOOD.
> I AM CONSIDERING PACKING UP LIGHTLY, AND HEADING OUT, TO
> FORT COLLINS COLORADO, BECAUSE OF MY INSPIRATION OF THE UNIVERSAL
>COORDINATED TIME, TALKING CLOCK SHORTWAVE STATIONS,
Not much of a reason, I fear. but getting out for a vacation
might not be such a bad idea.
I'M SICK AND TIRED OF TULSA TIME-CHAOS TIME; AND SO I NEED ORDER IN
MY LIFE.
THE TALKING CLOCK PROJECT THAT I MENTIONED IN THE PAST IS BARELY
INCHING ALONG IN THIS ZERO PROGRESS INDUSTRIAL WASTELAND SLUM
CITY ON A SINKHOLE, AND SO MAYBE IT WILL DO BETTER ELSEWHERE, LIKE
IN FORT COLLINS.
I'D LIKE TO WORK FOR N.I.S.T. AT SOME ESOTERIC MINIMALIST TYPE OF JOB,
IF THERE IS SUCH A TYPE OF JOB THAT IS AVAILABLE.
If you are allergic to things in the 'ENVIRONMENT' ; IMMEDIATE ATMOSPHERE.
YEAH: THE OVERABUNDANCE OF WHITE DUST, IN THE AIR, AT THE
RESIDENCE WHERE I AM CURRENTLY FORCED TO HAVE TO LIVE.
I DON'T REMEBER IF I MENTIONED IN THE PAST: I LIVE WITHIN A MILE, OF
FOUR, AUTO BODY PAINT AND REPAIR SHOPS THAT PUT OUT SHIT INTO THE
AIR EVERY GODDAMNED DAY, AND I LIVE WITHIN A SQUARE MILE
COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY ROADS AND ONE HIGHWAY, THAT ARE
CONTINUOUSLY TRAVELLED BY AUTOMOBILES, USUALLY 24/7, 7
DAYS/WEEK, AND I AM SICK OF IT.
THIS INDUSTRIAL SLUM CITY IS FULL OF CARCINOGENIC CRAP, I HAVE NO
DOUBT ABOUT THAT; YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, FOR LUNCH, I DROVE
TOWARD DOWTOWN, AND THE CITY SKYLINE WAS COMPLETELY SHIT SMOG
HAZY.
I AM SICK OF THE IGNORANT FUCKERS SAYING THAT IT IS ALL IN MY
HEAD, AND THAT IT IS ALL MENTAL; IT IS ENVIRON------MENTAL.
I HAVE ALSO READ ABOUT BITTER ALMONDS, AND THE DEGREE OF
CYANIC ACID THAT THEY HAVE IN THEM.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO DIE.
I WANT TO LIVE LIFE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO BECOME FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT, AND
THE POWER FUCKERS THAT BE HAVE RUINED IT FOR EVERYONE, AND NOT
JUST FOR MYSELF, FINANCIALLY.
Could have something to do with petrochemical fumes.
DAMN STRAIGHT!
In my case, I burn up dopamine and start suffering Parkinson's-like symptoms, the
waddling gate, difficulty in raising my right foot, marked coarsening of
the coordination on the right hand. (I am a lefty.)
One of the tests I do, is to try to tap the fingers of my right
hand in a musical pattern, as if i were playing a trumpet or such. I
type for a living, so I should have no troubles... but when I'm exposed
to auto fumes, that find coordination goes to pieces,
YEAH, I MOWED THE FRONT LAWN THE OTHER EVENING AND WAS HAVING
DIFFICULTY TO PREVENT FROM PASSING OUT, OR AT LEAST, DIFFICULTY
MAINTAINING MY STRENGTH, IN CONTINUING TO PUSH THE FUCKING
SMOG SHOOTER INFERNAL FUCKUPTION ENGINE POWERED MOWER.
I NEED TO GET AN ELECTRIC LAWN MOWER; I'VE ALWAYS HATED
COMBUSTION CRAP ENGINE MOWERS, NOT TO MENTION THE PIECES OF
CRAP THAT POWER CONVENTION AUTOMOBILES TOO.
and I can't do
that fine trumpet drill with my right hand. And if it goes on too long,
I simply fall over, fully conscious, but unable to move very well.
> What other situations do?
>
> WHEN I'M WORKING MY ASS OFF, TRYING TO PERFECT SOMETHING,
> AND WHEN SOMETHING FAILS, OR WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG.
> THAT MAKES ME VERY ANGRY, TO THE POINT OF WANTING TO SMASH
> THINGS, AND THROW THINGS.
That, I suspect, is something quite different. But that kind of
anger disrupts one's thoughts, making it much harder to attain one's
goals.
An interesting question is whether this is due to your intolerance
of your own mistakes, or is an excuse to discharge tension due to a
pre-existing adrenaline overload.
IT IS ACTUALLY FROM BOTH INTOLERANCE OF MY OWN MISTAKES, AND
ALSO INTOLERANCE OF OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE FROM OTHERS, WHO
ALWAYS HAVE A TENDENCY TO INTERFERE, AND TO SCREW THINGS UP,
AND YEAH, ADRENALINE OVERLOAD IS CERTAINLY THERE TOO.
My form of concentration is quite the opposite. I relax, trying to
minimize the influence of adrenaline on the brain. This way, I can see
more possibilities. And so find ways around the problems,
YEAH, I DO TRY TO RELAX MANY TIMES, UNTIL PEOPLE COME ALONG, AND
FUCK THINGS UP.
I REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE INTERFERING, AND SCREWING
THINGS UP; IS THAT HUMAN NATURE???
instead of
trying to "tough through them" the way so many macho idiots try.
Another friend said this was like the Zazen meditation. Which...
from what I have read, appears to make use of a higher 7.83hz pattern in
the brain waves.
OK.
PART OF THE P.V.C. FITTINGS ARE AT A MACHINE SHOP RIGHT NOW
FOR A FEW DAYS; I'M HAVING PIECES OF THE P.V.C. FITTINGS PRECISION
CUT, SO THAT THEY WILL FIT AROUND THE MAIN EXTERIOR OF THE
HELMET PORTION OF THE P.V.C. PIPE, FOR THE E.M. BRAINWAVE
ENTRAINMENT PROJECT, TO HELP KEEP THE COILS IN PLACE.
CLYDE
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Jun 9 12:32:14 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] If love is like a gas tank.
In-Reply-To: <20050609191212.64094.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 09, 2005 12:12:12 PM
Message-ID: <20050609193208.85651.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Serotonin balancing might be more appropriate. Try some almonds,
> maybe turkey if you can. Niacin...
>
>
> OK; I DID BUY SOME ALMOND BUTTER LAST MONTH, BUT IT DIDN'T LAST
> VERY LONG FOR THE SMALL JAR THAT I WAS ONLY ABLE TO BUY, DUE TO
> MY LACK OF MONEY TO BE ABLE TO BUY A LARGER QUANTITY.
> I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO IF SEROTONIN IS AVAILABLE AT THE LOCAL HEALTH
It isn't. It is a metabolite of L-Tryptophan. 5HTP is an
intermediary, but not as good as L-Tryptophan.
See Pierson and Shaw's "Life Extension" in your library for some
more on it. You can probably get it for your dog at a feed and grain
store, as it is used for cattle; or USP grade from some suppliers on
the internet. Read the book before you do much. Avoid arginine, as it
spurs some viruses. You might want to add lysine for your heart.
http://jomarlabs.com/ is a good supplier of lysine. Don't recall if they
have l-Tryptophan.
> > I AM CONSIDERING PACKING UP LIGHTLY, AND HEADING OUT, TO
> > FORT COLLINS COLORADO, BECAUSE OF MY INSPIRATION OF THE UNIVERSAL
> >COORDINATED TIME, TALKING CLOCK SHORTWAVE STATIONS,
>
> Not much of a reason, I fear. but getting out for a vacation
> might not be such a bad idea.
>
> I'M SICK AND TIRED OF TULSA TIME-CHAOS TIME; AND SO I NEED ORDER IN
> MY LIFE.
That's not going to happen via external means. It's something you
have to work on by starting to estimate how long things will take to do,
and how they can be done adequately but faster.
> I'D LIKE TO WORK FOR N.I.S.T. AT SOME ESOTERIC MINIMALIST TYPE OF JOB,
> IF THERE IS SUCH A TYPE OF JOB THAT IS AVAILABLE.
Check their web site. Many web sites have a jobs and careers
section.
> YEAH: THE OVERABUNDANCE OF WHITE DUST, IN THE AIR, AT THE
What kind of white dust? Are your walls made of unpainted plaster
of paris? How old is the building?
> I DON'T REMEBER IF I MENTIONED IN THE PAST: I LIVE WITHIN A MILE, OF
> FOUR, AUTO BODY PAINT AND REPAIR SHOPS THAT PUT OUT SHIT INTO THE
> AIR EVERY GODDAMNED DAY, AND I LIVE WITHIN A SQUARE MILE
> COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY ROADS AND ONE HIGHWAY, THAT ARE
> CONTINUOUSLY TRAVELLED BY AUTOMOBILES, USUALLY 24/7, 7
> DAYS/WEEK, AND I AM SICK OF IT.
Lacquer, solvents... but usually a mile is far enough... not always.
> I AM SICK OF THE IGNORANT FUCKERS SAYING THAT IT IS ALL IN MY
> HEAD, AND THAT IT IS ALL MENTAL; IT IS ENVIRON------MENTAL.
I know what you mean.
> I HAVE ALSO READ ABOUT BITTER ALMONDS, AND THE DEGREE OF
> CYANIC ACID THAT THEY HAVE IN THEM.
> BUT I DON'T WANT TO DIE.
> I WANT TO LIVE LIFE.
Good.
> I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO BECOME FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT, AND
> THE POWER FUCKERS THAT BE HAVE RUINED IT FOR EVERYONE, AND NOT
> JUST FOR MYSELF, FINANCIALLY.
No, they have not. It is far easier to do today than, say the
1800s.
> Could have something to do with petrochemical fumes.
>
> DAMN STRAIGHT!
> YEAH, I MOWED THE FRONT LAWN THE OTHER EVENING AND WAS HAVING
> DIFFICULTY TO PREVENT FROM PASSING OUT, OR AT LEAST, DIFFICULTY
> MAINTAINING MY STRENGTH, IN CONTINUING TO PUSH THE FUCKING
> SMOG SHOOTER INFERNAL FUCKUPTION ENGINE POWERED MOWER.
If this happens a lot, you might start checking your urine pH using
pH test strips. I found that very valuable. A good range of test strip
would be 5.5 to 7. That would give enough color change to detect things.
> IT IS ACTUALLY FROM BOTH INTOLERANCE OF MY OWN MISTAKES, AND
> ALSO INTOLERANCE OF OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE FROM OTHERS, WHO
> ALWAYS HAVE A TENDENCY TO INTERFERE, AND TO SCREW THINGS UP,
> AND YEAH, ADRENALINE OVERLOAD IS CERTAINLY THERE TOO.
> My form of concentration is quite the opposite. I relax, trying to
> minimize the influence of adrenaline on the brain. This way, I can see
> more possibilities. And so find ways around the problems,
>
> YEAH, I DO TRY TO RELAX MANY TIMES, UNTIL PEOPLE COME ALONG, AND
> FUCK THINGS UP.
It's not relaxing between things, it's relaxing while I do things.
Now, I would suggest deeper breathing, but that's an interesting pH
issue...
> I REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE INTERFERING, AND SCREWING
> THINGS UP; IS THAT HUMAN NATURE???
Not sure. depends on the person. Younger brothers, younger
cousins...
>
> Another friend said this was like the Zazen meditation. Which...
> from what I have read, appears to make use of a higher 7.83hz pattern in
> the brain waves.
>
> OK.
>
> PART OF THE P.V.C. FITTINGS ARE AT A MACHINE SHOP RIGHT NOW
> FOR A FEW DAYS; I'M HAVING PIECES OF THE P.V.C. FITTINGS PRECISION
> CUT, SO THAT THEY WILL FIT AROUND THE MAIN EXTERIOR OF THE
> HELMET PORTION OF THE P.V.C. PIPE, FOR THE E.M. BRAINWAVE
> ENTRAINMENT PROJECT, TO HELP KEEP THE COILS IN PLACE.
Overkill... but I'll be looking at some agricultural corrugated
stuff to make another one for myself. I really should use it more when
the pollution hits me.
Got to run, got an "Igor" waiting for me to pick him up.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained.
Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 12:41:37 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Jun 9 12:41:44 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] If love is like a gas tank.
In-Reply-To: <20050609193208.85651.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050609194137.39956.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com>
RIGHT ON!
I GOTTA GO TOO.
ONLY HAVE EIGHT MINUTES REMAINING ON THE LIBRARY COMPUTER.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT TO TYPE ANY MORE, TOMORROW, SINCE
THE HOMECOMPUTER IS SCREWED UP.
LATER, CLYDE
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> Serotonin balancing might be more appropriate. Try some almonds,
> maybe turkey if you can. Niacin...
>
>
> OK; I DID BUY SOME ALMOND BUTTER LAST MONTH, BUT IT DIDN'T LAST
> VERY LONG FOR THE SMALL JAR THAT I WAS ONLY ABLE TO BUY, DUE TO
> MY LACK OF MONEY TO BE ABLE TO BUY A LARGER QUANTITY.
> I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO IF SEROTONIN IS AVAILABLE AT THE LOCAL HEALTH
It isn't. It is a metabolite of L-Tryptophan. 5HTP is an
intermediary, but not as good as L-Tryptophan.
See Pierson and Shaw's "Life Extension" in your library for some
more on it. You can probably get it for your dog at a feed and grain
store, as it is used for cattle; or USP grade from some suppliers on
the internet. Read the book before you do much. Avoid arginine, as it
spurs some viruses. You might want to add lysine for your heart.
http://jomarlabs.com/ is a good supplier of lysine. Don't recall if they
have l-Tryptophan.
> > I AM CONSIDERING PACKING UP LIGHTLY, AND HEADING OUT, TO
> > FORT COLLINS COLORADO, BECAUSE OF MY INSPIRATION OF THE UNIVERSAL
> >COORDINATED TIME, TALKING CLOCK SHORTWAVE STATIONS,
>
> Not much of a reason, I fear. but getting out for a vacation
> might not be such a bad idea.
>
> I'M SICK AND TIRED OF TULSA TIME-CHAOS TIME; AND SO I NEED ORDER IN
> MY LIFE.
That's not going to happen via external means. It's something you
have to work on by starting to estimate how long things will take to do,
and how they can be done adequately but faster.
> I'D LIKE TO WORK FOR N.I.S.T. AT SOME ESOTERIC MINIMALIST TYPE OF JOB,
> IF THERE IS SUCH A TYPE OF JOB THAT IS AVAILABLE.
Check their web site. Many web sites have a jobs and careers
section.
> YEAH: THE OVERABUNDANCE OF WHITE DUST, IN THE AIR, AT THE
What kind of white dust? Are your walls made of unpainted plaster
of paris? How old is the building?
> I DON'T REMEBER IF I MENTIONED IN THE PAST: I LIVE WITHIN A MILE, OF
> FOUR, AUTO BODY PAINT AND REPAIR SHOPS THAT PUT OUT SHIT INTO THE
> AIR EVERY GODDAMNED DAY, AND I LIVE WITHIN A SQUARE MILE
> COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY ROADS AND ONE HIGHWAY, THAT ARE
> CONTINUOUSLY TRAVELLED BY AUTOMOBILES, USUALLY 24/7, 7
> DAYS/WEEK, AND I AM SICK OF IT.
Lacquer, solvents... but usually a mile is far enough... not always.
> I AM SICK OF THE IGNORANT FUCKERS SAYING THAT IT IS ALL IN MY
> HEAD, AND THAT IT IS ALL MENTAL; IT IS ENVIRON------MENTAL.
I know what you mean.
> I HAVE ALSO READ ABOUT BITTER ALMONDS, AND THE DEGREE OF
> CYANIC ACID THAT THEY HAVE IN THEM.
> BUT I DON'T WANT TO DIE.
> I WANT TO LIVE LIFE.
Good.
> I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO BECOME FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT, AND
> THE POWER FUCKERS THAT BE HAVE RUINED IT FOR EVERYONE, AND NOT
> JUST FOR MYSELF, FINANCIALLY.
No, they have not. It is far easier to do today than, say the
1800s.
> Could have something to do with petrochemical fumes.
>
> DAMN STRAIGHT!
> YEAH, I MOWED THE FRONT LAWN THE OTHER EVENING AND WAS HAVING
> DIFFICULTY TO PREVENT FROM PASSING OUT, OR AT LEAST, DIFFICULTY
> MAINTAINING MY STRENGTH, IN CONTINUING TO PUSH THE FUCKING
> SMOG SHOOTER INFERNAL FUCKUPTION ENGINE POWERED MOWER.
If this happens a lot, you might start checking your urine pH using
pH test strips. I found that very valuable. A good range of test strip
would be 5.5 to 7. That would give enough color change to detect things.
> IT IS ACTUALLY FROM BOTH INTOLERANCE OF MY OWN MISTAKES, AND
> ALSO INTOLERANCE OF OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE FROM OTHERS, WHO
> ALWAYS HAVE A TENDENCY TO INTERFERE, AND TO SCREW THINGS UP,
> AND YEAH, ADRENALINE OVERLOAD IS CERTAINLY THERE TOO.
> My form of concentration is quite the opposite. I relax, trying to
> minimize the influence of adrenaline on the brain. This way, I can see
> more possibilities. And so find ways around the problems,
>
> YEAH, I DO TRY TO RELAX MANY TIMES, UNTIL PEOPLE COME ALONG, AND
> FUCK THINGS UP.
It's not relaxing between things, it's relaxing while I do things.
Now, I would suggest deeper breathing, but that's an interesting pH
issue...
> I REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE INTERFERING, AND SCREWING
> THINGS UP; IS THAT HUMAN NATURE???
Not sure. depends on the person. Younger brothers, younger
cousins...
>
> Another friend said this was like the Zazen meditation. Which...
> from what I have read, appears to make use of a higher 7.83hz pattern in
> the brain waves.
>
> OK.
>
> PART OF THE P.V.C. FITTINGS ARE AT A MACHINE SHOP RIGHT NOW
> FOR A FEW DAYS; I'M HAVING PIECES OF THE P.V.C. FITTINGS PRECISION
> CUT, SO THAT THEY WILL FIT AROUND THE MAIN EXTERIOR OF THE
> HELMET PORTION OF THE P.V.C. PIPE, FOR THE E.M. BRAINWAVE
> ENTRAINMENT PROJECT, TO HELP KEEP THE COILS IN PLACE.
Overkill... but I'll be looking at some agricultural corrugated
stuff to make another one for myself. I really should use it more when
the pollution hits me.
Got to run, got an "Igor" waiting for me to pick him up.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 12:47:05 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Jun 9 12:47:20 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: ENVIRONMENTAL ILLNESS.
In-Reply-To: <88.27cc585f.2fce954e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050609194706.72425.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
wrote:
There is virtually nothing that is ennvironmentaless
Environment-less, not; environmenta-less.
as you state. Every waking action I do in some way affects the environment.
To hell with the environment.
Environment ='s enprisonment.
I haven't looked up the definitions for ecology, and atmosphere, but
those two are what need to be focused upon.
If I step on a roach,
Roaches don't matter; They need to be genetically eradicated from existance, forever, like
fly's do.
I have changed the ecosystem. If I breath I add Carbon monoxide
I thought that it is carbon dioxide that we add to the air.
to the atmostphere.
The atmosphere is a good thing to focus on, but the enprisonment (the environment,)
can go to hell; I am sick of environmental illness.
The Commune (City) of Tulsa, is an environment.
Aw, but the trees take care of it. Nature is designed by a God that knows how to balance nature perfectly.
I am confused about if nature is mother nature, or father nature, or maybe both???
Unfortunately we mess up the balance. We kill off wolves and the deer abound to where they are a nuisance.
If we could have more deer, then more people could go hunting, and everyone could have
a lot more food for ourselves.
Now if we can just stop men from messing up the environment
The enprisonment?
Rush Limbaugh is actually correct, now that I realize that environmentalism is bullshit.
I support Ecologism, if there is such, because I am sick and tired of environment.
nature(God) can take care of the rest. g
I wish nature and technology could be unified, but as long as the worthless and corrupt
politicians and powers that be, exist, nature and technolgy will never be one, in perfect
harmony with one another.
Mother-Nature, and; Father-Technology.
Clyde
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From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Sat Jun 11 00:46:18 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Another approach to fusion power
Message-ID: <009101c56e59$a03a09b0$6401a8c0@mikey>
The "Z-Machine."
http://www.livescience.com/imageoftheday/siod_041104.html
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jun 11 10:33:54 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Jun 11 10:34:04 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Another approach to fusion power
In-Reply-To: <009101c56e59$a03a09b0$6401a8c0@mikey>
Message-ID: <20050611173354.87694.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
THIS IS A VERY COOL WEBLINK.
HIGH VOLTAGE PLAZMA PHYSICS IS
AN AREA OF INTEREST FOR ME, EVEN
THOUGH I DO NOT HAVE THE LIMITLESS
FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO EXPERIMENT
WITH MEGAWATT TESLA COILS, AND
VAN DE GRAFF GENERATORS, AND
EXPERIMENTAL ALTERNATORS AND
GENERATORS, BOTH A.C. AND D.C.
CLYDE
Michael Best wrote:
The "Z-Machine."
http://www.livescience.com/imageoftheday/siod_041104.html
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jun 11 11:49:06 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Jun 11 11:50:05 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] If love is like a gas tank.
In-Reply-To: <20050609193208.85651.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050611184906.6693.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> I'D LIKE TO WORK FOR N.I.S.T. AT SOME ESOTERIC MINIMALIST TYPE OF JOB,
> IF THERE IS SUCH A TYPE OF JOB THAT IS AVAILABLE.
Check their web site. Many web sites have a jobs and careers
section.
OK.
> YEAH: THE OVERABUNDANCE OF WHITE DUST, IN THE AIR, AT THE
What kind of white dust? Are your walls made of unpainted plaster
of paris? How old is the building?
THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1975, AND THE WALLS ARE PAINTED SHEETROCK.
MY STUDIO ELECTRONICS ARE COATED FAIRLY THICKLY WITH WHITE DUST,
WITH LOTS OF GODDAMNED LINT IN IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GATHER UP
A DECENT AMOUNT OF IT, PUT IT IN A VIAL, AND TAKE IT TO SOME LOCAL TULSA
LABORATORY TO HAVE THE GODDAMNED SHIT ANALYZED, TO FIND OUT WHAT ALL IS IN THE NONSENSICAL SUFFOCATING SHIT.
WOULD YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS AS TO WHAT TPYE OF LABORATORY
THAT I SHOULD TAKE IT TO, TO HAVE THE DUST ANALYZED?
I'D LIKE TO GET IT DONE SOON, BUT WILL HAVE TO WAIT TILL NEXT MONTH, SINCE
MONEY IS TIGHT RIGHT NOW.
> I DON'T REMEMBER IF I MENTIONED IN THE PAST: I LIVE WITHIN A MILE, OF
> FOUR, AUTO BODY PAINT AND REPAIR SHOPS THAT PUT OUT SHIT INTO THE
> AIR EVERY GODDAMNED DAY, AND I LIVE WITHIN A SQUARE MILE
> COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY ROADS AND ONE HIGHWAY, THAT ARE
> CONTINUOUSLY TRAVELLED BY AUTOMOBILES, USUALLY 24/7, 7
> DAYS/WEEK, AND I AM SICK OF IT.
Lacquer, solvents... but usually a mile is far enough... not always.
IN MY CASE, THE AUTO PAINT AND BODY SHOPS ARE WITHIN THE SQUARE
MILE RANGE, THE CONTINUOUSLY TRAVELLED HIGHWAY IS CLOSE TO A MILE
AWAY, AND I AM COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY USUALLY CONTINUOUSLY
TRAVELLED MAIN TULSA STREET ROADS.
> I AM SICK OF THE IGNORANT FUCKERS SAYING THAT IT IS ALL IN MY
> HEAD, AND THAT IT IS ALL MENTAL; IT IS ENVIRON------MENTAL.
I know what you mean.
> I HAVE ALSO READ ABOUT BITTER ALMONDS, AND THE DEGREE OF
> CYANIC ACID THAT THEY HAVE IN THEM.
> BUT I DON'T WANT TO DIE.
> I WANT TO LIVE LIFE.
Good.
I WANT TO LIVE LIFE TO ITS FULLEST, BUT I AM SUPPRESSED.
> I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO BECOME FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT, AND
> THE POWER FUCKERS THAT BE HAVE RUINED IT FOR EVERYONE, AND NOT
> JUST FOR MYSELF, FINANCIALLY.
No, they have not. It is far easier to do today than, say the
1800s.
I MAY NEVER FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET AROUND THE ENDLESS INTERNAL
REVENUE ANTI-SERVICE CRAP.
> Could have something to do with petrochemical fumes.
>
> DAMN STRAIGHT!
> YEAH, I MOWED THE FRONT LAWN THE OTHER EVENING AND WAS HAVING
> DIFFICULTY TO PREVENT FROM PASSING OUT, OR AT LEAST, DIFFICULTY
> MAINTAINING MY STRENGTH, IN CONTINUING TO PUSH THE FUCKING
> SMOG SHOOTER INFERNAL FUCKUPTION ENGINE POWERED MOWER.
If this happens a lot, you might start checking your urine pH using
pH test strips. I found that very valuable. A good range of test strip
would be 5.5 to 7. That would give enough color change to detect things.
HOW MUCH DO pH STRIPS COST?
I DON'T LNOW IF I'LL HAVE THE TIME THI MONTH TO CHECK INTO THOSE,
AND I MIGHT FORGET ABOUT THEM, NEXT MONTH.
> IT IS ACTUALLY FROM BOTH INTOLERANCE OF MY OWN MISTAKES, AND
> ALSO INTOLERANCE OF OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE FROM OTHERS, WHO
> ALWAYS HAVE A TENDENCY TO INTERFERE, AND TO SCREW THINGS UP,
> AND YEAH, ADRENALINE OVERLOAD IS CERTAINLY THERE TOO.
> My form of concentration is quite the opposite. I relax, trying to
> minimize the influence of adrenaline on the brain. This way, I can see
> more possibilities. And so find ways around the problems,
>
> YEAH, I DO TRY TO RELAX MANY TIMES, UNTIL PEOPLE COME ALONG, AND
> FUCK THINGS UP.
It's not relaxing between things, it's relaxing while I do things.
Now, I would suggest deeper breathing, but that's an interesting pH
issue...
I FORGOT TO MENTION IN THE PAST, THAT DEPOKOTE WAS ANOTHER
PRESCRIPTION DRUG THAT I WAS PRESCRIBED.
IT MAKES ME WONDER IF IT COULD HAVE CAUSED PERMANENT, IRREVERSIBLE
DAMAGE TO SOME OF BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS, EFFECTING THE SUPPRESION
OF MY ABILITY TO BREATHE EASY.
> I REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE INTERFERING, AND SCREWING
> THINGS UP; IS THAT HUMAN NATURE???
Not sure. depends on the person. Younger brothers, younger
cousins...
BROTHERS.
>
> Another friend said this was like the Zazen meditation. Which...
> from what I have read, appears to make use of a higher 7.83hz pattern in
> the brain waves.
I WONDER WHAT A PURE D.C. E.M FIELD WOULD DO, COMPARED TO THE
7.83 CYCLES PER SECOND A.C.?????
> OK.
>
> PART OF THE P.V.C. FITTINGS ARE AT A MACHINE SHOP RIGHT NOW
> FOR A FEW DAYS; I'M HAVING PIECES OF THE P.V.C. FITTINGS PRECISION
> CUT, SO THAT THEY WILL FIT AROUND THE MAIN EXTERIOR OF THE
> HELMET PORTION OF THE P.V.C. PIPE, FOR THE E.M. BRAINWAVE
> ENTRAINMENT PROJECT, TO HELP KEEP THE COILS IN PLACE.
Overkill...
YEAH IT IS PROBABLY OVERKILL TO SOME, BUT AS FOR ME, IT IS PERFECTLY
FINE, AND SUITABLE.
but I'll be looking at some agricultural corrugated
stuff to make another one for myself. I really should use it more when
the pollution hits me.
I WOKE UP LAST NIGHT, DURING THE NIGHT, AND WAS HAVING BREATHING
TROUBLES, AND MY CHEST ACHED.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ALL OF THE CRUD THAT IS IN THE AIR, OR MYSELF
HAVING PANIC ATTACKS, OR THE COMBINATION OF BOTH.
CLYDE
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From justinhart at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 11:55:43 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Sat Jun 11 11:55:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] All Caps
Message-ID:
What's the deal with people posting in all caps? I realize that I'm
new to the list, so, if this is out of line, well, just give me the
old front-end realignment, but really. Can't a rant be a rant without
the I'M PISSED OFF, I SWEAR. ALL CAPS!?!?!?
--
Justin W. Hart
From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Jun 11 14:47:28 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jun 11 14:47:40 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Another approach to fusion power
Message-ID: <1f5.b913fa3.2fdcb5f0@aol.com>
>...THIS IS A VERY COOL WEBLINK.
>.HIGH VOLTAGE PLAZMA PHYSICS IS
>>AN AREA OF INTEREST FOR ME, EVEN
THOUGH I DO NOT HAVE THE LIMITLESS
FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO EXPERIMENT
WITH MEGAWATT TESLA COILS, AND
VAN DE GRAFF GENERATORS, AND
EXPERIMENTAL ALTERNATORS AND
>GENERATORS, BOTH ADICTED AND D.C.<
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HI CLYDE,
MBEST SENDS US THE MOST FACINATING SITES, I SEND THEM TO MY KIDS WHO FOLLOW
LINKS AND SEND BACK TO ME , REALLY AMAZING SITES. THANKS MBEST,
THERE ABOUT 9 PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY INCLUDING MY 86 YEAR OLD MOM WHO ENJOYES
THE SITES YOU SEND US TO.
HOW IN THE HECK HAVE YOU BEEN, CLYDE, THE AIR TEMPTURE WHERE YOU ARE MUST
BE AWFUL.
HERE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, ON THE COAST FOR HEAVENS SAKE IS OVER 90 DEGREES.
JUST TWO WEEKS AGO WE WORE WINTER JACKETS AS IT WAS BETWEEN 42 AND 48
DEGREES. GEESE!!!!!
CLYDE, I NEED YOUR INPUT ON A PROBLEM I HAVE INCOUNTERED. I HOPE YOU CAN
HELP.
I HAVE BEEN DIGNOSED AS A HAIR BREATH FROM EMPHESEMA , LOUSEY DON'T YOU
THINK/?
DOCTORS PUT ME ON LUQUID NICOTINE, FUN I CAN GET THE FIX I NEED WITHOUT THE
CRAP THAT KILLS, THIS NICOTINE NEVER REACHERS THE LUNGS, JUST THE BACK OF THE
THROAT AND INSTANTLY SHOOTS THE NICOTINE TO THE BRAIN SO I
GET THE RUSH , WAKES UP MY BRAIN AND DELIVERS THE DOPEMINE TO MAKE ME FEEL
" JUST FINE BABE " .
CLYDE, DO YOU SMOKE ? IF NOT, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS VERY DANGERIOUS
DRUG NICOTINE ?
THIS IS A NICOTROL INHALER / 10 MG PER CARTRIDGE-----4 MG DELIVERED.
I KNOW PEOPLE CAN BECOME ADICTED TO THESE NICOTINE DELIVERY SYSTEMS,
SO, DO YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO HAS USED THIS SYSTEM TO THEIR ADVANTAGE ?
BETWEEN THE HEAT, INABILITY TO BREATH, FRUSTRATION WITH DAY JOB AND THE
GROWING IDEA THAT FOR ME IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HEAD FOR THE WHITE MOUNTAINS,
I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR HISSI-FITS THAT YOU GET NOW AND THEN.
IF AND WHEN IT BECOMES UNCOMFORTABLE TO RESIDE IN AN AREA, THEN IS THE TIME
TO GET THE HELL OUT.
REGARDS VESTA
.
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From justinhart at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 15:05:06 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Sat Jun 11 15:05:11 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Research Channel
Message-ID:
Hey all,
I don't have television, but I do watch the streaming content on the
Research Channel, and I figured others on the list might enjoy it.
They have quite a bit in their archive, and show whatever is on live
at that moment, live.
http://www.researchchannel.org/
--
Justin W. Hart
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jun 11 19:59:42 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Jun 11 19:59:49 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Another approach to fusion power
In-Reply-To: <1f5.b913fa3.2fdcb5f0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050612025942.7849.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
Vesta111@aol.com wrote:
>...THIS IS A VERY COOL WEBLINK.
>.HIGH VOLTAGE PLAZMA PHYSICS IS
>>AN AREA OF INTEREST FOR ME, EVEN
THOUGH I DO NOT HAVE THE LIMITLESS
FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO EXPERIMENT
WITH MEGAWATT TESLA COILS, AND
VAN DE GRAFF GENERATORS, AND
EXPERIMENTAL ALTERNATORS AND
>GENERATORS, BOTH *[ADICTED]* AND D.C.<
ADICTED? I DIDN'T PUT ADICTED THERE.
IT IS SUPPOSED TO READ: A.C., AND NOT
ADICTED; WHAT THE HELL?
OH WELL.
I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO RESPOND;
I'M AT KINKO'S ON THEIR OUTRAGEOUSLY
EXPENSIVE INTERNET ITME COMPUTERS AND
AM RUNNING UP THE CHARGE ON MY CHECK
CARD.
I'LL WRITE IN BELOW:
HI CLYDE,
MBEST SENDS US THE MOST FACINATING SITES, I SEND THEM TO MY KIDS WHO FOLLOW LINKS AND SEND BACK TO ME , REALLY AMAZING SITES. THANKS MBEST,
THERE ABOUT 9 PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY INCLUDING MY 86 YEAR OLD MOM WHO ENJOYES THE SITES YOU SEND US TO.
COOL!
HOW IN THE HECK HAVE YOU BEEN, CLYDE, THE AIR TEMPTURE WHERE YOU ARE MUST BE AWFUL.
YEAH; THE AIR TEMPERATURE/ HUMIDITY HAS BEEN HELL LATELY.
I CAN'T AFFORD THE HUMIDITY ANALYSIS SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMENT THAT
I'D LIKE TO OWN THOUGH, TO SEE WHAT EXACTLY THE AIR HUMIDITY HAS
BEEN, BUT IT HAS PROBABLY AT 100% SATURATION LATELY!
HERE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, ON THE COAST FOR HEAVENS SAKE IS OVER 90 DEGREES.
JUST TWO WEEKS AGO WE WORE WINTER JACKETS AS IT WAS BETWEEN 42 AND 48 DEGREES. GEESE!!!!!
THE OTHER DAY IT WAS AROUND 90 DEGREES HERE IN TULSA.
CLYDE, I NEED YOUR INPUT ON A PROBLEM I HAVE INCOUNTERED. I HOPE YOU CAN HELP.
OK.
I HAVE BEEN DIGNOSED AS A HAIR BREATH FROM EMPHESEMA , LOUSEY DON'T YOU THINK/?
YES.
DOCTORS PUT ME ON LIQUID NICOTINE, FUN I CAN GET THE FIX I NEED WITHOUT THE CRAP THAT KILLS, THIS NICOTINE NEVER REACHERS THE LUNGS, JUST THE BACK OF THE THROAT AND INSTANTLY SHOOTS THE NICOTINE TO THE BRAIN SO I
GET THE RUSH , WAKES UP MY BRAIN AND DELIVERS THE DOPEMINE TO MAKE ME FEEL " JUST FINE BABE " .
CLYDE, DO YOU SMOKE ?
NOPE; DON'T SMOKE; ALTHOUGH I INTEND TO SMOKE SOME LOTUS
HERB NEXT MONTH, TO EXPERIMENT WITH NELUMBO LOTUS, BUT OTHER
THAN THAT, I DON'T SMOKE CIGARETTES.
IF NOT, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS VERY DANGERIOUS DRUG NICOTINE ?
ACTUALLY AT ONE TIME, LAST YEAR, I WAS CONSIDERING BUYING NICOTINE
GUM, TO ATTEMPT TO EASE MY NERVES, UNTIL I FOUND OUT TWO THINGS:
1. IT'S SO GOD DAMNED EXPENSIVE.
AND;
2. I WILL MAKE A PERSON NAUSEATED, IF THEY ARE NOT ACCUSTOMED TO
SMOKING CIGARETTES.
AND SO I DECIDED NOT TO GO THAT ROUTE.
THIS IS A NICOTROL INHALER / 10 MG PER CARTRIDGE-----4 MG DELIVERED.
OK.
I KNOW PEOPLE CAN BECOME ADDICTED TO THESE NICOTINE DELIVERY SYSTEMS,
SO, DO YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO HAS USED THIS SYSTEM TO THEIR ADVANTAGE ?
NO, BUT MY PSYCHOLOGIST DOCTOR INFORMED ME THAT OXYGEN, IF USED
TOO MUCH, CAN CLEAN A PERSONS LUNGS OUT TOO MUCH, AND CORRODE
A PERSON'S LUNGS, AND SO OXYGEN HAS SOME 'BIZARRE' AMAZING
HEALING EFFECTS THAT WILL BENEFIT PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THEIR LUNGS.
MAYBE YOU OUTTA TRY A COMBINATION OF PURE OXYGEN THERAPY, MIXED
WITH THE NICOTINE INHALER, AND USE THEM IN COMBINATION; JUST A
THOUGHT AND IDEA, BUT LIKE JOHN; I'M NOT A DOCTOR, AND SO DON'T
HOLD ME RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY ERROR(S) THAT MIGHT EXIST.
BETWEEN THE HEAT, INABILITY TO BREATH, FRUSTRATION WITH DAY JOB AND THE GROWING IDEA THAT FOR ME IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HEAD FOR THE WHITE MOUNTAINS, I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR HISSI-FITS THAT YOU GET NOW AND THEN.
IF AND WHEN IT BECOMES UNCOMFORTABLE TO RESIDE IN AN AREA, THEN IS THE TIME TO GET THE HELL OUT.
YEAH; I NEED TO MOVE TO A CITY THAT HAS ORDER.
TULSA IS A CITY (COMMUNE) OF CHAOS; THE REASON THAT THE SONG:
TULSA TIME WAS WRITTEN.
FORT COLLINS; I HAVE A FEELING, IS A CITY WITH A LOT MORE ORDER, AND
PEACE OF MIND, ESPECIALLY WITH U.T.C. STATIONED THERE; MAYBE THIS
IS JUST CRAZY RANTING, BUT I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS NEVERENDING
GO-NOWHERE INDUSTRIAL WASTELAND SLUM EMPTY EMPIRE CITY ON A PETROLEUM SINKHOLE.
REGARDS VESTA
GOTTA GO;
LATER, CLYDE
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Jun 11 22:43:51 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Jun 11 22:44:05 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] All Caps
In-Reply-To: from "Justin Hart" at
Jun 11, 2005 02:55:43 PM
Message-ID: <20050612054351.89813.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> What's the deal with people posting in all caps? I realize that I'm
> new to the list, so, if this is out of line, well, just give me the
> old front-end realignment, but really. Can't a rant be a rant without
> the I'M PISSED OFF, I SWEAR. ALL CAPS!?!?!?
Clyde, using a public computer in the library, has difficulty with
the "quoting" conventions that are some 30 years old on the internet.
The Librarians (or Mornosloth) have set things up to make it difficult
to carry on clear intgernet correspondence.
So he uses all-caps to make it clearer who wrote what. Eh, I
don't like that style; but it's better than no distinction between what
we write and what he writes.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Jun 11 23:34:44 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Jun 11 23:34:50 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Another approach to fusion power
In-Reply-To: <20050612025942.7849.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 11, 2005 07:59:42 PM
Message-ID: <20050612063444.28116.qmail@mall-net.com>
> >...THIS IS A VERY COOL WEBLINK.
> >.HIGH VOLTAGE PLAZMA PHYSICS IS
> >>AN AREA OF INTEREST FOR ME, EVEN
> THOUGH I DO NOT HAVE THE LIMITLESS
> FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO EXPERIMENT
> WITH MEGAWATT TESLA COILS, AND
> VAN DE GRAFF GENERATORS, AND
> EXPERIMENTAL ALTERNATORS AND
> >GENERATORS, BOTH *[ADICTED]* AND D.C.<
>
> ADICTED? I DIDN'T PUT ADICTED THERE.
> IT IS SUPPOSED TO READ: A.C., AND NOT
> ADICTED; WHAT THE HELL?
> OH WELL.
You jkust proved it. You're on a Microsoft Word (or was it
Ouchlook?) system. Those
often "correct" spelling for you when some mode is set. Numerous
reports in COmputer RISKS Digest on that.
>
> HERE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, ON THE COAST FOR HEAVENS SAKE IS OVER 90 DEGREES.
> JUST TWO WEEKS AGO WE WORE WINTER JACKETS AS IT WAS BETWEEN 42 AND 48 DEGREES. GEESE!!!!!
Laugning! We had summer start, then retreat on us up here in the
mountains. I turned off the furnace in late May, and now it's running
again. I had 38 at night this past week!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Jun 12 12:04:31 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun Jun 12 12:04:36 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hey folks.
Message-ID: <20050612190431.16750.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
Hey folks,
I just received a notification last night in an
e-mail from Yahoo that my account will be
closed;
And I am not sure that I can correct the
problem in time, or if the e-mail was just
a gimmick or what.
I am a radio buff and not a computer buff,
and need some assistance, if someone is
knowledgeable on what the problem is.
I will explain very briefly:
I am recieving quite a bit of bogus e-mails
in the bulk 'folder' of my e-mail storage, and
I don't know how I can go about correcting
the problem of eliminating the bogus e-mail
bullshit that plagues my incoming e-mails.
Can someone help?
I am back at Kinko's, and so I am going to
have to respond back, tomorrow, if there is
a tomorrow, as far as this e-mail account
is concerned.
Later, Clyde
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Jun 12 13:44:03 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Sun Jun 12 13:44:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The links I post...
Message-ID: <003a01c56f8f$78db94b0$6401a8c0@mikey>
Thanks for the kind words.
Javilk and I have been corresponding for many years, and he invited me to
this list awhile back. I have found it to be quite worthwhile.
I consider myself to be something of an "information funnel." I follow
dozens, if not hundreds, of feeds per day; major news outlets, blogs, RSS
feeds, listservers, etc. I have an insatiable curiosity, and this has led
to my appetite for data.
What I try my best to do is to filter the volumes of data I see every day,
and forward the choice nuggets to many other forums where I think it may
engender discussion, thought, and progress.
It's rewarding to see that my efforts are appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike
From justinhart at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 13:56:14 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Sun Jun 12 13:56:23 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hey folks.
In-Reply-To: <20050612190431.16750.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050612190431.16750.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
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It's probably bogus.
Either way, here is a gmail invite.
Justin
On 6/12/05, clyde lofton wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> I just received a notification last night in an
> e-mail from Yahoo that my account will be
> closed;
> And I am not sure that I can correct the
> problem in time, or if the e-mail was just
> a gimmick or what.
> I am a radio buff and not a computer buff,
> and need some assistance, if someone is
> knowledgeable on what the problem is.
> I will explain very briefly:
> I am recieving quite a bit of bogus e-mails
> in the bulk 'folder' of my e-mail storage, and
> I don't know how I can go about correcting
> the problem of eliminating the bogus e-mail
> bullshit that plagues my incoming e-mails.
> Can someone help?
> I am back at Kinko's, and so I am going to
> have to respond back, tomorrow, if there is
> a tomorrow, as far as this e-mail account
> is concerned.
>
> Later, Clyde
>
>
>
>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jun 12 13:59:07 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Jun 12 13:59:14 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hey folks.
In-Reply-To: <20050612190431.16750.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 12, 2005 12:04:31 PM
Message-ID: <20050612205907.90610.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I just received a notification last night in an
> e-mail from Yahoo that my account will be
> closed;
> And I am not sure that I can correct the
> problem in time, or if the e-mail was just
> a gimmick or what.
> I am a radio buff and not a computer buff,
> and need some assistance, if someone is
> knowledgeable on what the problem is.
Without your sending (bouncing) the letter to myself or Mike Best,
we can't tell whether it is legitimate or not. Do not send to the list.
> I will explain very briefly:
> I am recieving quite a bit of bogus e-mails
> in the bulk 'folder' of my e-mail storage, and
> I don't know how I can go about correcting
> the problem of eliminating the bogus e-mail
> bullshit that plagues my incoming e-mails.
> Can someone help?
I do not know what yahoo uses for mail filtering... I am using spam
assassin with custom rules but as anyone can tell you, this is a war.
Nothing really works well except ISP level filtering of identical
sources, etc. And even then...!!!
Until we get some unhinged cannibals running around loose eating
spammers alive, and it hits the evening news... spam won't end. And even
then, the feds will arrest the cannibals instead of the spammers, and it
will all get back to untenably normal! I get THOUSANDS of spams per day.
I have, at times, receive THOUSANDS of spams PER HOUR!!! 100 - 300
spams per hour are perfectly normal for me now.... KILL!!!! KILL!!!
KILL!!!
> I am back at Kinko's, and so I am going to
> have to respond back, tomorrow, if there is
> a tomorrow, as far as this e-mail account
> is concerned.
Wish you the best of luck. Bounce, or save and remail the entire
thing with headers directly to me and / or Mike Best, and we'll see what
we can do. (I mean, short of shooting someone.)
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jun 12 14:00:34 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Jun 12 14:00:39 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hey folks.
In-Reply-To: from "Justin Hart" at
Jun 12, 2005 04:56:14 PM
Message-ID: <20050612210034.91633.qmail@mall-net.com>
> It's probably bogus.
>
> Either way, here is a gmail invite.
the problem with Gmail is that they analyze your e-mails and send
you ads based on the e-mails. There is no privacy.
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From justinhart at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 14:41:47 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Sun Jun 12 14:41:53 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hey folks.
In-Reply-To: <20050612210034.91633.qmail@mall-net.com>
References:
<20050612210034.91633.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID:
Javlik thought that our discussion would be of interest to the list,
so, here's a quick recap.
I sent him a gmail invite. Anybody else who wants one, just drop me a
line and I'll send you one.
There are some concerns regarding privacy. Here is the privacy policy:
https://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/privacy.html
There are some conditions under which Google will release your
information, clearly dilineated, but I am of the opinion that other
free webmail sites would capitulate in similar situations.
If you really, really want privacy, there is a website that encrypt
your email. Philip Zimmerman (who invented PGP) even mentioned this
site in a positive light at a DefCon a few years back.
Justin
On 6/12/05, javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > It's probably bogus.
> >
> > Either way, here is a gmail invite.
>
> the problem with Gmail is that they analyze your e-mails and send
> you ads based on the e-mails. There is no privacy.
>
> -javilk- mall-net.com
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 11:39:04 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Jun 13 11:39:16 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: *WARNING* Your Email Account Will Be Closed
Message-ID: <20050613183905.76334.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
THIS IS THE E-MAIL THAT I RECEIVED THE OTHER EVENING.
CLYDE
register@yahoo.com wrote:
We regret to inform you that your account has been suspended due to the violation of our site policy, more info is attached.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 11:51:24 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Jun 13 11:51:40 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] After having more time to look at it more
closely....
In-Reply-To: <20050613183905.76334.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050613185125.72581.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
AFTER HAVING MORE TIME TODAY TO LOOK AT IT
MORE CLOSELY, IT DOES LOOK BOGUS, WITH THE
DOWNLOADING ATTACHMENT HORSESHIT.
I DIDN'T DO ANY OF THE DOWNLOADING NONSENSE.
CLYDE
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Jun 13 12:01:59 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Mon Jun 13 12:02:11 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Yahoo email
Message-ID: <000a01c5704a$6224d900$6401a8c0@mikey>
That's a phish, I'll bet.
Had you accessed the link, or the attached file, it likely would've infected
the computer with Mytob or Downloader viruses.
I would ignore it.
-Mike
From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 12:20:58 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Mon Jun 13 12:21:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Yahoo email
In-Reply-To: <000a01c5704a$6224d900$6401a8c0@mikey>
Message-ID: <20050613192058.20205.qmail@web51912.mail.yahoo.com>
being of a somewhat vindictive and vengeful bent...
1.) I'd love to see a love that stating that anyone
found directly phishing, or actively writing virii...
gets used for spare parts. no plea bargaining.
mind you, I'd want to make sure it's a righteous bust.
Bob
(who would love to see spammers forced to live on
welfare, virus writers losing hands, legs and sight,
and phishers used to clean up super fund sites.)
--- Michael Best wrote:
> That's a phish, I'll bet.
>
> Had you accessed the link, or the attached file, it
> likely would've infected
> the computer with Mytob or Downloader viruses.
>
> I would ignore it.
>
> -Mike
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From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jun 13 13:36:31 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Jun 13 13:36:50 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] After having more time to look at it more
In-Reply-To: <20050613185125.72581.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 13, 2005 11:51:24 AM
Message-ID: <20050613203631.71152.qmail@mall-net.com>
> AFTER HAVING MORE TIME TODAY TO LOOK AT IT
> MORE CLOSELY, IT DOES LOOK BOGUS, WITH THE
> DOWNLOADING ATTACHMENT HORSESHIT.
> I DIDN'T DO ANY OF THE DOWNLOADING NONSENSE.
>
> CLYDE
>
> register@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> We regret to inform you that your account has been suspended due to the violation of our site policy, more info is attached.
Oh, that crap!!!
I get it all the time with the forged domains name being the ones I
own and manage! I'm talking ten or twenty per day, sometimes a lot
more.
Yes, I'd vote for maiming the bastards!
Only problem with maiming them, is that these SOBs would give the
maimed a bad reputation!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 17:04:38 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Jun 13 17:04:49 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mark Furhman Investigates Terri Schiavo's Death
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20050614000438.80309.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 17:17:49 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Jun 13 17:17:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] U.S. Department Of Health And Human Services.
Message-ID: <20050614001750.18696.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
Does anyone out there possibly know if the
U.S. Department Of Health And Human
Services has a secret eugenics and euthenics
program, hidden within its business
infrastructure.
I can't remember where it was that I read
about it at one time, since I did not take note
of the website, but what I read, was that
the U.S. Department Of Health And Human
Services has a hidden program as such, that
was Nazi influenced, back during World War
Two, and that it secretly continues to operate
to this day, within this country's govt.
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From justinhart at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 17:28:38 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Mon Jun 13 17:28:45 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] U.S. Department Of Health And Human Services.
In-Reply-To: <20050614001750.18696.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050614001750.18696.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
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Have you considered calling Coast to Coast regarding this? It may
sound silly to you, but I'd bet that they would be able to dig up
anything you could want on this topic. What would be left up to you
at that point is to sort it all out.
Justin
On 6/13/05, clyde lofton wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone out there possibly know if the
> U.S. Department Of Health And Human
> Services has a secret eugenics and euthenics
> program, hidden within its business
> infrastructure.
> I can't remember where it was that I read
> about it at one time, since I did not take note
> of the website, but what I read, was that
> the U.S. Department Of Health And Human
> Services has a hidden program as such, that
> was Nazi influenced, back during World War
> Two, and that it secretly continues to operate
> to this day, within this country's govt.
>
> Clyde Lofton
>
>
>
>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jun 13 20:15:02 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Jun 13 20:15:07 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] U.S. Department Of Health And Human Services.
In-Reply-To: <20050614001750.18696.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 13, 2005 05:17:49 PM
Message-ID: <20050614031502.18316.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Does anyone out there possibly know if the
> U.S. Department Of Health And Human
> Services has a secret eugenics and euthenics
> program, hidden within its business
> infrastructure.
Not now. But they did run a syphilis experiment, I think it was the
Tuskegee study, on blacks long ago. There were other studies which
failed to pass muster more recently, including a pesticide study which,
on the surface, looked ok... But the incentives to keep using normal
levels were enough that some poor people would be tempted to start
using bad levels to get the money and video camera.
> I can't remember where it was that I read
> about it at one time, since I did not take note
> of the website, but what I read, was that
> the U.S. Department Of Health And Human
> Services has a hidden program as such, that
> was Nazi influenced, back during World War
> Two, and that it secretly continues to operate
> to this day, within this country's govt.
It is very hard to do things like these these days. Many people
watching, many recourses to people who might, in other times, prove
suitable victims.
That is not to say there are not glitches in the rules,
burro-cratic policies, etc. which might have similar effects...
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Jun 13 21:16:16 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Mon Jun 13 21:15:56 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Terri Schavo
Message-ID: <005501c57097$cf6fa420$6401a8c0@mikey>
Let the poor girl rest in peace.
What happened is history. NOTHING done now will bring her back- but it can
make Governmental Control over others much worse, and it can make a pile of
money for those who would exploit that poor woman's plight- as if it already
hasn't!
Death is not something that any Governmental body, any profit-seeking
author, or any publicity-seeking megalomaniac should be involved in.
PERIOD.
Look at the motives of those who would capitalize upon her death- profit,
control, political gain.
How can any ethical person condone this???
-MB
From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jun 13 21:56:02 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Jun 13 21:56:09 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mark Furhman Investigates Terri Schiavo's
Death
In-Reply-To: <20050614000438.80309.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 13, 2005 05:04:38 PM
Message-ID: <20050614045603.1381.qmail@mall-net.com>
> NewsMax Media wrote:
> Mark Furhman Investigates Terri Schiavo's Death
>
> >From NewsMax.com
>
> We all watched Terri Schiavo die. Now former LAPD homicide detective
and New York Times bestselling author Mark Furhman investigates to find
out what really happened.
Yea, sure. As a police officer, the guy botched the OJ case so bad
he got OJ off scott free. Unemployable, even as a security guard, he
turned to writing.
The case is difficult because there are many possible causes to
attacks like Schiavo's. It isn't just dieting. A number of medical
conditions ranging from hypoglycemia to acute allerty attacks can cause
severe brain damage.
What few know, is that her husband took her all over trying to get
diagnoses and treatment to no avail, sued the place she was cared for
because she was not taken care well enough for her, etc.
And for his having a girl friend, news is that Terry's parents
told him to start dating years ago, when they didn't believe she could
ever recover. They were worried that HE was obsessing over her!
Why the change in heart? Don't know. I guess you get use to
something and think it is ok. I remember the assisted learning deals
where those holding the hands of brain damaged people eventualy started
writing messages, sometimes about abuse that couldn't have happened, or
about other things. It's like a Ouija board; our brains are designed to
find patterns out of nothing buty random movements, and then our
expectations start taking over.
But in the large, people under stress, especially like the Schiavo
parents, are easy to twist into doing things they would not otherwise
think about doing. Who would do that? Any reporter after a juicy story!
And it certainly became one! Tie in a few pro-life characters, add the
right kind of photos, and you have the lady messia looking at the crowds
binking out secret / sacred messages in code.
Just like the massive anti-war protests at the old university,
shown on all channels across the state. Yea, sure. Under two dozen
poorly clad people representing a university of thousands of students
who wanted to learn, most of whom DID NOT CARE about the war, and many
of whom saw the war as a good deed done to help a weak nation.
The press in America makes the news.
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From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 14 06:48:15 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] U.S. Department Of Health And Human Services.
Message-ID: <210.2ca8377.2fe03a0b@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/13/2005 8:18:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
clydelofton@yahoo.com writes:
I can't remember where it was that I read
about it at one time, since I did not take note
of the website, but what I read, was that
the U.S. Department Of Health And Human
Services has a hidden program as such, that
was Nazi influenced, back during World War
Two, and that it secretly continues to operate
to this day, within this country's govt.
OH, OH, OH, Clyde,
When I first read your post I got this uneasy feeling that somewhere down
the past road of my life, I had somehow come across something , somewhere,
relating to Eugenics on the west coast.
After my second cup of coffee and an extra couple of hits on the nicotine
inhaler, my brain cells finally began to operate.
Starts off with good old Readers Digest. My grandparents collected them and
brought them to their summer camp for light reading.
No T.V. just a radio, this was camp, summer too short to waste one
minute sitting in front of anything doing nothing.
I think the camp was built in the mid 30ies, this was the mid part of the
60ies, so the collection of digests filled one wall.
As an only child I had hours of time by myself to swim, hike the woods and
read. For some reason there were stories in the digests that made such an
impression on me as a kid that I recall them today.
The story I remember told of the WW2 camps in California for the Japanese
American born.
I believe the Governor of Idaho wanted to castrate all Japanese boys at
birth. ( Thank the Lord that goof-ball was over ruled ).
Then there was the ocean liner filled to the gunnels with year old to 12
year old children, Jew by birth, that had escaped Germanys death camps. Our
United States PTA put so much pressure on the government , something about
there not being enough room for the extra kids here in public schools that we
refused to allow it to dock . I don't think any other country let them dock
either. I can't remember what happened to the kids, but when I remember this
story, I imagine the ship, floating about with no where to go, crowed with
Jewish babies and its Xmas Eve, all around the world good Christians are
celebrating the birth of the King of the Jews. I ask, How did the world explain
this or justify these actions to themselves.
Clyde, I know how you feel about the sickness of the world today.
However, when I look at the goings on just a generation from me, How people could
have allowed and believed in committing these acts of depravity, If I were
to dwell on the subject I would run amuck, trying to beat up every old person
I came in contact with.
I found this on a web site and frankly don't know if I can believe it.
.>,... Even the U.S. Supreme Court endorsed aspects of eugenics. In its
infamous 1927 >decision, Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote, "It
is better for all the world, .>if instead of waiting to execute degenerate
offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their >imbecility, society can
prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind . . . >Three
generations of imbeciles are enough." This decision opened the floodgates
for >thousands to be coercively sterilized or otherwise persecuted as subhuman.
Years later, >the Nazis at the Nuremberg trials quoted Holmes' words in
their own defense.
_http://illuminati-news.com/nazi-california.htm_
(http://illuminati-news.com/nazi-california.htm)
In answer to your question Clyde, You bet the farm on this one. How can you
not believe somewhere in the tangled web of any ones government, there are no
followers of eugenics?
Read the paper Clyde, can you find even one country in Africa, Europe, or
Asia that is not somehow involved with Ethnic cleansing to some degree. Even
good old Denmark is endorsing the little black pill for their people who
cannot function to the standards set by the government. ie------ the elderly, the
brain damaged, those who they believe have lost their "Quality of Life " ,
and those who they believe will never gain it.
If you think this idea will never again rear its ugly head here in the USA
again, look out, it is right in front of your face, Terry Schriveo, Accused
of nothing more then breathing on her own and being alive much to the
discomfort of her husband.
Henry VIII said it best " Off with her head", So Terry was subjected to a
death that is denounced every where on earth in every culture. She was
sentenced to death by
starvation.
Do I worry about this, HELL YES I do. Time goes so fast, won't be long
before I, if I don't die of accident or disease, will need help with every day
things like walking, bathing, and dressing. I will need some one to
prepare my meals, perhaps drive my care to the store to do my shopping.
Only by chance and luck every moment of every day keep me and you living a
"Quality Life".
REGARDS Vesta
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Jun 14 16:37:33 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Jun 14 16:37:38 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] You may already be aware of this.
Message-ID: <20050614233733.72494.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
You may already be aware of
this, but here it is anyway:
http://www.infowars.com/
Feel free to joke, or say anything
that you want to about it; I am not
going to take any chances; as that
saying goes: Better to be safe, than
to be sorry.
As for me, I am trying to prepare
ahead of time now, just in case
there may be some form of
doomsday scenario ahead for us
all.
Nuclear holocausts, population
control diseases, and mass
famines.
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Jun 14 17:03:56 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SOME NOTES FROM MY OBSERVATIONS.
Message-ID: <20050615000351.13956.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
JUST SOME NOTES FROM MY OBSERVATIONS:
DOCTORS AND INSURANCE COMPANIES AID
AND ABETT THE COMMERCIALISM OF
PHARMACOLOGY, WHILE AIDING AND ABETTING
THE SUPPRESSION OF VITAMINS.
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From justinhart at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 17:41:13 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Tue Jun 14 17:41:20 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] You may already be aware of this.
In-Reply-To: <20050614233733.72494.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050614233733.72494.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
Eh, that site asserts that the US caused 911 in order to bring about
the new world order.
I don't actually believe that statement though. I disagree with the
PATRIOT Act, and many of the policies implemented since 911. I
certainly don't believe that 911 was a plot to take over the world.
Justin
On 6/14/05, clyde lofton wrote:
>
>
> You may already be aware of
> this, but here it is anyway:
>
> http://www.infowars.com/
>
> Feel free to joke, or say anything
> that you want to about it; I am not
> going to take any chances; as that
> saying goes: Better to be safe, than
> to be sorry.
> As for me, I am trying to prepare
> ahead of time now, just in case
> there may be some form of
> doomsday scenario ahead for us
> all.
> Nuclear holocausts, population
> control diseases, and mass
> famines.
>
> Clyde Lofton
>
>
>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Jun 14 18:36:43 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Jun 14 18:36:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] You may already be aware of this.
In-Reply-To: from "Justin Hart" at
Jun 14, 2005 08:41:13 PM
Message-ID: <20050615013643.23539.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> Eh, that site asserts that the US caused 911 in order to bring about
> the new world order.
Hogwash. Intersting though how we have enough crazies that
something like this stirs them up.
It is hard to get military types, most people, to kill civilians.
As I put it in another post to another list:
Milgram's authority experiments were done on a one session basis.
One may speculate that most would not do it a second time, much less
return to follow such orders a second day. Although longer term
experiments have not been run; military experience is that _most_
soldiers will not fire on civilians, and even some of the most hardened
soldiers can not stomach killing more than so many enemy. Case in point
were German soldiers operating machine guns on the Eastern Front. When
the pile of dead Russians reached some point, most of them would pick up
their tools and just abandon the machine gun emplacement because they
could not stand it anymore. Even Gestapo troops, assigned to round up
and shoot Jews and other [so-called] deviants, could only take so much
without developing serious mental problems rendering them unfit for
duty, leading to the creation of the "work" (death) camps which were
staffed by the few who could stomach it. And more recently in 1991, the
Speznadz troops (shock troops, the nastiest kind) assigned to shoot
civilians including Yeltsin in Moscow, refused to do so having gotten a
taste of that kind of blood at the Radio TV tower in Vilnius, Lithuania
in January 1991.
> I don't actually believe that statement though. I disagree with the
> PATRIOT Act, and many of the policies implemented since 911. I
> certainly don't believe that 911 was a plot to take over the world.
The patriot act, many believe, went way too far. We are in the
troughs of change... the damned thing is, many of our elected
polychickens don't quite grasp the fact that we, the people, own the
government, not the other way around. And they don't recognize that if
we, the people of the United States of America are treated like owners
AT ALL LEVELS, then we really don't need as much police, surveillance,
etc. as they expect. But we, the people, need to be encouraged to
assert our ownership, accept our responsibilities, etc. to watch for and
notify our various departments of protection and police when things
appear amiss. And that includes the little point that things will be
mis-reported more often than called right.
I remember in the 1950's one of the Popular Science or Mechanics
magazines had people wandering around with suitcases filled with rocks
staging fake settings of suitcase nuclear weapons on The George
Washington Bridge and other places to see just how long those things
could be left before someone turned them in. They would take taxis to
those places, leave the rock suitcase, and drive off in the taxi with NO
ALARMS SET OFF! Some of those suitcases sat there for half a day or
longer.
That's not good citizen responsibility. The police, however,
seemed more irritated that these were done, than over the implications.
Wrong reaction!!!
I don't think we've improved much beyond then, sad to say.
Flight instructors training the 911 gang made comments to the FAA which
were ignored. The FAA didn't see it as their responsibility, nor the
responsibility of the instructors.
Personally, I think that we mad scientists are a greater potential
threat to civilization as we know it than the luddite muddy hind ends
who brought us 911. We, far more than anyone else, have the
intelligence to destroy this nation, or to improve it well beyond what
we have now. And I hope, the moral sense to do the latter rather than
the former.
As a minister, I have to say that The Creator has an incredible
amount of faith in us; for we have been given minds which can grasp
means of destroying millions of years of evolutionary progress. Or
advancing it.
I suggest we meditate upon that faith in us tonight. And often.
-J- (Javilk@best.com) ------------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk/
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get the indoor plumbing working, and hot water for the showers. Now
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Jun 14 18:40:13 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Jun 14 18:40:16 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SOME NOTES FROM MY OBSERVATIONS.
In-Reply-To: <20050615000351.13956.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 14, 2005 05:03:51 PM
Message-ID: <20050615014013.25770.qmail@mall-net.com>
> DOCTORS AND INSURANCE COMPANIES AID
> AND ABETT THE COMMERCIALISM OF
> PHARMACOLOGY, WHILE AIDING AND ABETTING
> THE SUPPRESSION OF VITAMINS.
So, we are the conterbalance, that's our job as civilians and
consumers. Last time the FDA tried to grab vitamins, they got their
hands nearly cut off by the avalanche of mail to our legislators.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Jun 15 05:12:54 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 15 05:13:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] You may already be aware of this.
Message-ID: <103.6373bb36.2fe17546@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/14/2005 7:37:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
clydelofton@yahoo.com writes:
As for me, I am trying to prepare
ahead of time now, just in case
there may be some form of
doomsday scenario ahead for us
all.
Nuclear holocausts, population
control diseases, and mass
famines.
Now, Now Clyde, calm down here for a bit.
Please let me know how you are going to prepare for nuclear holocausts. I
think I will just practice the old duck and cover routine. I can carry an
umbrella and wear a rain coat at all times in case the wind shifts and a cloud of
fall out follows me about.
Population control is interesting. are we looking at shrinking the
population of the world ? War will take care of that. On the other hand, China has
such a huge army, perhaps we Americans should work like rabbits, breed like
crazy to insure future cannon fodder. Or we could force all male aliens
coming to America to serve in our army. Great, native born Americans could sit back
and relax knowing they will never have to fight or die for their country.
Disease is too complex to worry about. Even if you can stay healthy by
avoiding people and their germs, your own DNA will get you in the end.
Famine is no joke but there are some things just as important as food.
Three months after I moved to Honolulu there was a 6 month shipping strike.
Prices of everything went kind of crazy for a while. I never worried about how I
was going to feed my family, my biggest worry was there would come a time
when we could not get toilet paper.
If people would use their heads we would not have to worry about feeding
or clothing the millions that live in the cities of America. In emergency,
these people have all the food they need to survive and its everywhere.
Pigeon makes tasty eating. Have you any idea how much nutrition there is in
ground cocker roaches? My favorite is the plump German Rats. Catch a few and
raise them for food, their pelts make wonderful coats, water proof and wears
like armor.
Best idea yet, move to Salt Lake City, wont be long before you give up
your evil ways. You will then store , under the beds, a years supply of
food per person in your family. When that food runs out, then you eat the
family dog.
Don't worry Clyde, nothing any of us can do about the above, except to watch
the adds for K-Mart when toilet paper is on sale, stock up, you never know.
Regards Vesta
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jun 15 10:18:23 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Jun 15 10:18:35 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] You may already be aware of this.
In-Reply-To: <103.6373bb36.2fe17546@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jun 15,
2005 08:12:54 AM
Message-ID: <20050615171823.70416.qmail@mall-net.com>
> As for me, I am trying to prepare
> ahead of time now, just in case
> there may be some form of
> doomsday scenario ahead for us
> all.
> Please let me know how you are going to prepare for nuclear holocausts. I
Not that much you can do. I mean, what are you going to do
afterwards?
> think I will just practice the old duck and cover routine. I can carry an
> umbrella and wear a rain coat at all times in case the wind shifts and a cloud of
> fall out follows me about.
You can spend all your life preparing for the worst case
scenario... and the worst that will happen, is that you will not do
anything to make the best case scenario happen. Or even a moderately
good scenario happen.
We are all doomed to die, most of old age. The art of life is
making life worth living, and not just for yourself.
http://www.mall-net.com/today/river.html
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jun 18 13:09:16 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Jun 18 13:10:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Appearance of the contents of the dust.
Message-ID: <20050618200916.95564.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
The contents of the large amount of dust that
had accumulated on the back of my X.M.
Satellite Radio receiver, from my power supply
cooling fan, appeared to be a heavy mixture of
concrete dust and lint.
My chiropractor informed me that the contents
of the nasty dust more than likely also contain
large amounts of dust mites as well.
I am suffering athsma like symptoms with
panic attack symptoms because of of it.
Clyde
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Jun 18 13:52:02 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Jun 18 13:52:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Appearance of the contents of the dust.
In-Reply-To: <20050618200916.95564.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 18, 2005 01:09:16 PM
Message-ID: <20050618205202.62619.qmail@mall-net.com>
> The contents of the large amount of dust that
> had accumulated on the back of my X.M.
> Satellite Radio receiver, from my power supply
> cooling fan, appeared to be a heavy mixture of
> concrete dust and lint.
Where else is such dust accumulating?
> My chiropractor informed me that the contents
> of the nasty dust more than likely also contain
> large amounts of dust mites as well.
This is questionable, as dust mites need skin to live on. they are
more often found in your bed and in the carpet.
> I am suffering athsma like symptoms with
> panic attack symptoms because of of it.
This is quite possible, indeed quite likely.
The question then is where is the dust accumulating, and how to
clean it up.
Bedclothes -- wash weekly
bed pad -- wash weekly
bed matress -- a problem. Plastic bagging can help
carpets -- vacuum every few days
use HEPA filter bags
Or get rid of carpets completely!
Stacks of books, etc. -- vaccum, remove as much as possible
from bedroom to other places
Shelving -- vacuum with brush weekly
Meticulous cleaning (should not be a problem with your personality
as opposed to mine) can and should considerably help your allergic
symptoms AND the resulting blood and brain chemistry upsets which give
you so much trouble.
I am not a meticulous person... I clean when I notice performance
hits. Stuff accumulates in piles. etc. This is not good for me...
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Jun 19 16:18:00 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Sun Jun 19 16:18:14 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The grandfather paradox resolved
Message-ID: <002f01c57525$22aab620$6401a8c0@mikey>
New model 'permits time travel'
By Julianna Kettlewell
BBC News science reporter
If you went back in time and met your teenage parents, you could not split
them up and prevent your birth - even if you wanted to, a new quantum model
has stated.
Researchers speculate that time travel can occur within a kind of feedback
loop where backwards movement is possible, but only in a way that is
"complementary" to the present.
Full article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4097258.stm
From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jun 19 18:18:54 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Jun 19 18:19:16 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The grandfather paradox resolved
In-Reply-To: <002f01c57525$22aab620$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Jun
19, 2005 07:18:00 PM
Message-ID: <20050620011854.74281.qmail@mall-net.com>
> If you went back in time and met your teenage parents, you could not split
> them up and prevent your birth - even if you wanted to, a new quantum model
> has stated.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4097258.stm
More likely, you would just create a loop, a kind of oscillation,
alternating the distance between the present and the past you modified,
and tossing youself into it.
But the forces of that loop would rush through the channel you
created; so more than likelym, you would be instantly plasmatized
(nevermind merely vaporized) should you try to step into that channel.
So for now, I think time travel unlikely.
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Jun 20 08:41:28 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Mon Jun 20 08:41:42 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] C&E News links, 6/20/05
Message-ID: <006301c575ae$86877230$6401a8c0@mikey>
Plant Security May Get Boost
Bush Administration calls for chemical plant security bill but offers few
details
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i25/8325notw1.html
Court Empowers Drug Research
Ruling allows royalty-free drug development using patented materials
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i25/8325notw2.html
Photonic computing is one step closer-
Molecular Logic Gate Operates In Nanospace
Computation molecule is confined within a detergent micelle
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i25/8325notw4.html
How does a nanite clean his teeth? With a nanobrush, of course!
Nanotube Bristles Give Brushes Unique Properties
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i25/8325notw9.html
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 14:31:00 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Jun 20 14:31:09 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Urge Senate to Restrict Exports of Nuclear
Weapons Materials
In-Reply-To: <20050620212357.14549.20153.qmail@omail6.getactive.com>
Message-ID: <20050620213100.3543.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
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Urge Senate to Restrict Exports
of Nuclear Weapons Materials
Dear Clyde,
Unsafe language currently in the Energy Bill will overturn a U.S. law restraining the export of nuclear weapons materials--unless we convince our senators to stop it! This misguided change to U.S. policy would lead to unnecessary shipments of nuclear weapons-usable materials abroad--a magnet for terrorists seeking to acquire nuclear bombs. Contact your senators today and urge them to ensure our security by stripping this language from the Energy Bill.
Read the Letter:
Dear Senator,
I am writing to strongly urge you to support Senator Schumer and Kyl?s amendments to remove language from the Energy Bill, S 10, that allows foreign nuclear reactors to receive highly enriched uranium (HEU) from the U.S. without committing to convert to the use of low enriched uranium (LEU) targets. This conversion is essential because LEU, unlike HEU, cannot be used directly in nuclear weapons. The offending provision in the Energy bill would allow unnecessary shipments of nuclear weapons-usable materials to continue forever--an on-going magnet for terrorists seeking to acquire nuclear bombs. Currently, such a commitment is required under the Section 134 of the Atomic Energy Act.
The proposed change in U.S. non-proliferation policy has been designed to benefit a single foreign company--MDS Nordion of Canada. A major goal of U.S. non-proliferation policy--phasing out the commercial use of HEU in research reactors worldwide--would be undermined because a single foreign company, heavily subsidized by the Canadian government, does not want to go to the expense of converting its program so that it no longer needs U.S. HEU. Catering to this special interest is both outrageous and detrimental to U.S. national security interests.
Please vote to support the Schumer and Kyl amendments to the Energy Bill and thereby assure that commercial use of nuclear weapons fuel will be phased out so it does not fall into the hands of terrorists. Your leadership in this issue is a matter of global security.
Sincerely,
Clyde Lofton
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The Senate Energy Bill, S.10, contains a controversial and misguided change to U.S. non-proliferation and security law that would allow foreign nuclear reactors to receive highly enriched uranium (HEU) from the U.S. without committing to convert, when feasible, to the use of low enriched uranium (LEU) targets. More...
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From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jun 20 16:08:49 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Jun 20 16:08:53 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Urge Senate to Restrict Exports of Nuclear
In-Reply-To: <20050620213100.3543.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 20, 2005 02:31:00 PM
Message-ID: <20050620230849.79023.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Unsafe language currently in the Energy Bill will overturn a U.S. law
restraining the export of nuclear weapons materials--unless we convince
our senators to stop it! This misguided change to U.S. policy would lead
to unnecessary shipments of nuclear weapons-usable materials abroad--a
magnet for terrorists seeking to acquire nuclear bombs. Contact your
senators today and urge them to ensure our security by stripping this
language from the Energy Bill. <
The union of concerned scientists is an anti-war group which now has
very little to do, seeing as we (our side) are no longer at the edge
of nuclear war. This is a problem for them.
The only thing that gave us 50 years of major peace between the USA
and the USSR, is both side's fear of starting something that might
escalate to the use of nuclear war. Mutually Assured Destruction, MAD
as it seems, was a very, very effective policy.
The only real problem we now face, is that real madmen are trying
to get a hold of nuclear weapons so that they can assure themselves of
their own destruction. (While trying to harm us.) But that's just what
madmen often do...
I'd not bother with this crap. It's hard enough trying to
legislate morality without taking on the task of trying to legislate
sanity as well.
-J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 18:16:15 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Jun 20 18:17:11 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Urge Senate to Restrict Exports of Nuclear
In-Reply-To: <20050620230849.79023.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050621011615.90945.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> Unsafe language currently in the Energy Bill will overturn a U.S. law
restraining the export of nuclear weapons materials--unless we convince
our senators to stop it! This misguided change to U.S. policy would lead
to unnecessary shipments of nuclear weapons-usable materials abroad--a
magnet for terrorists seeking to acquire nuclear bombs. Contact your
senators today and urge them to ensure our security by stripping this
language from the Energy Bill. <
The union of concerned scientists is an anti-war group which now has
very little to do, seeing as we (our side) are no longer at the edge
of nuclear war. This is a problem for them.
THEY DO HAVE IT RIGHT, REGARDING POLITICS UNDERMINING SCIENCE
THOUGH; NOW YOU KNOW WHY I AM SO FUCKING ANGRY.
The only thing that gave us 50 years of major peace between the USA
and the USSR, is both side's fear of starting something that might
escalate to the use of nuclear war. Mutually Assured Destruction, MAD
as it seems, was a very, very effective policy.
The only real problem we now face, is that real madmen are trying
to get a hold of nuclear weapons so that they can assure themselves of
their own destruction. (While trying to harm us.) But that's just what
madmen often do...
YEAH, I FEEL THE EFFECTS OF THE MADMEN IN THEIR ATTEMPTS TO AQUIRE
NUKES, FOR TERRORISM AGAINST US IN THIS SCREWED COUNTRY, OF
MODERN AMERICA.
BUT I AM SO ANGRY AT WORTHLESS CHINA, THAT...... (I'LL LEAVE THE REST BLANK).................
I'd not bother with this crap. It's hard enough trying to
legislate morality without taking on the task of trying to legislate
sanity as well.
OK.
GOTTA GO FOR NOW.
TALK TO YOU LATER,
CLYDE
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 18:17:32 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Jun 20 18:17:37 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Final revision:) Radioactivity; (Cover version).
Message-ID: <20050621011732.35920.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
Fourth revision/Final revision:
Song: Radioactivity; (Cover version)
Original song, by: Ralf Huetter,
and Florian Schneider: Kraftwerk.
Cover version, by: Clyde Lofton.
Radioactivity:
Stop nuclear radioactivity.
Because it's about Alpha radioactivity
vs. Omega radioactivity.
Radioactivity (Spoken, and with Morse code).
Stop nuclear radioactivity.
Harmful high frequency negative energy.
Detrimental to humanity.
Destructor of unity.
Non nuclear radioactivity.
Is in the air for you and me.
Population unification, and regeneration.
Stop nuclear radioactivity.
Harmful high frequency negative energy.
Detrimental to biology.
Destructor of unity.
But radioactivity wants to be free.
Not all radioactivity is in the air for
you and me.
Stop nuclear radioactivity.
Nuclear ionization, and mutation.
Mass degeneration of population.
Stop nuclear radioactivity.
It isn't in the air for you and me.
Nuclear radioactivity.
Destructor of unity.
Destructor of unity.
Destructor of unity.
(S.O.S. Morse code fade out).
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 18:31:56 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Mon Jun 20 18:32:03 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Urge Senate to Restrict Exports of Nuclear
In-Reply-To: <20050620230849.79023.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050621013156.29873.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
but I hear that the parties thrown by the Concerned
Scientists are a blast. If signing a meaningless
document gets me a free feed...
Bob
--- javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > Unsafe language currently in the Energy Bill will
> overturn a U.S. law
> restraining the export of nuclear weapons
> materials--unless we convince
> our senators to stop it! This misguided change to
> U.S. policy would lead
> to unnecessary shipments of nuclear weapons-usable
> materials abroad--a
> magnet for terrorists seeking to acquire nuclear
> bombs. Contact your
> senators today and urge them to ensure our security
> by stripping this
> language from the Energy Bill. <
>
> The union of concerned scientists is an anti-war
> group which now has
> very little to do, seeing as we (our side) are no
> longer at the edge
> of nuclear war. This is a problem for them.
>
> The only thing that gave us 50 years of major
> peace between the USA
> and the USSR, is both side's fear of starting
> something that might
> escalate to the use of nuclear war. Mutually
> Assured Destruction, MAD
> as it seems, was a very, very effective policy.
>
> The only real problem we now face, is that real
> madmen are trying
> to get a hold of nuclear weapons so that they can
> assure themselves of
> their own destruction. (While trying to harm us.)
> But that's just what
> madmen often do...
>
> I'd not bother with this crap. It's hard
> enough trying to
> legislate morality without taking on the task of
> trying to legislate
> sanity as well.
>
>
> -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------
> www.mall-net.com/javilk
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> and You! ---------------
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> cancel the show, would we? --
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From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jun 20 18:35:27 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Jun 20 18:35:37 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Urge Senate to Restrict Exports of Nuclear
In-Reply-To: <20050621013156.29873.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at Jun 20, 2005 06:31:56 PM
Message-ID: <20050621013527.74178.qmail@mall-net.com>
> but I hear that the parties thrown by the Concerned
> Scientists are a blast. If signing a meaningless
> document gets me a free feed...
Vat, you admit to beingk suscheptible to bribary!!! Vat kindt of
scheientischt are you anyvay???
Ohh, I forgot, a mad scheintischt.
-J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 18:50:41 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Jun 20 18:50:46 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] INFOWARS: CARTOONS/ARTWORK.
Message-ID: <20050621015041.56731.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
http://www.infowars.com/cartoons.htm
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 19:01:25 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Mon Jun 20 19:01:31 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Urge Senate to Restrict Exports of Nuclear
In-Reply-To: <20050621013527.74178.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050621020125.43578.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
ein mad scheientist to anudder...
ze parts for ze making of ze inventions can become
very costly...saving ze monies vitz the free feedings,
and ze briberies gives ze monies to continue ze great
work.
Bob
--- javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > but I hear that the parties thrown by the
> Concerned
> > Scientists are a blast. If signing a meaningless
> > document gets me a free feed...
>
> Vat, you admit to beingk suscheptible to
> bribary!!! Vat kindt of
> scheientischt are you anyvay???
>
> Ohh, I forgot, a mad scheintischt.
>
> -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------
> www.mall-net.com/javilk
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From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Mon Jun 20 19:05:07 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] INFOWARS: CARTOONS/ARTWORK.
In-Reply-To: <20050621015041.56731.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050621020502.77339.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
>sigh<
some of those would seem to have a grain of truth...
yet another in the long and yet still growing reason
for my "large model rocketry and systems engineering
project."
Bob
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Jun 20 20:37:33 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Mon Jun 20 20:37:48 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Legislating sanity?!?
Message-ID: <00b601c57612$8f7a8f30$6401a8c0@mikey>
> The only real problem we now face, is that real madmen are trying
> to get a hold of nuclear weapons so that they can assure themselves of
> their own destruction. (While trying to harm us.) But that's just what
> madmen often do...
So who's the mad scientist here?
> I'd not bother with this crap. It's hard enough trying to
> legislate morality without taking on the task of trying to legislate
> sanity as well.
And we thought morality was hard to enforce!
Just wait until the Thought Police try to enforce sanity!
"Gee Officer, I only had two thinks! I wasn't driving thunk!"
But the real question is: Are our leaders immune from prosecution for
insane thinking?
HAHAHAHA!
ROFL, scaring the cats!
Thanks, John, for me gut-busting belly laugh today!
In actuality, I would be happy if we simply decriminalized sanity! Make it
a simple infraction, or misdemeanor, punishable by a fine and court costs.
Maybe erect Sanity Cameras at major intersections, and send photos of sane
behavior, along with a bill for the fine, to all miscreants. We identify
the same using implanted RFID chips. No points would be assessed against
one's license to think, just pay the fine.
And always remember, "No anchovies, please!"
-Mike
(Another random moment of sanity from Question!)
From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jun 20 20:49:04 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Jun 20 20:49:07 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Urge Senate to Restrict Exports of Nuclear
In-Reply-To: <20050621020125.43578.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at Jun 20, 2005 07:01:25 PM
Message-ID: <20050621034904.87563.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
>
> Javilk,
>
> ein mad scheientist to anudder...
> ze parts for ze making of ze inventions can become
> very costly...saving ze monies vitz the free feedings,
> and ze briberies gives ze monies to continue ze great
> work.
Ach! Vat ve have do do to get our pets projected.
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From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Mon Jun 20 21:04:27 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Legislating sanity
Message-ID: <00cc01c57616$4a6b6f00$6401a8c0@mikey>
The secret life of Saddam: nachos, cigars and dreams of ruling again
By James Bone, in _The Times_, London, 21 June, 2005
American prison guards have provided a surprisingly sympathetic portrait of
the former dictator
SADDAM HUSSEIN likes corn chips, ping-pong and Ronald Reagan, and dreams of
making a comeback in Iraq, even though he is reduced to washing his
underpants in his prison sink, his American guards revealed yesterday.
Five returned Pennsylvania National Guardsmen who supervised Saddam in jail
said that the accused war criminal writes poetry, chats about women and
sometimes dances alone in his cell.
He gets Cuban cigars in Red Cross packages from his daughters in Jordan and
shares them with his captors. He once told them a joke about three men and a
sheep.
Convinced that he is still President, Saddam invited the soldiers to visit
Iraq once he is acquitted and back in power, they told GQ magazine with
permission from the US military. "I'll show you all around my country; you
are like sons to me," he said. "It's not beautiful now, but it will be when
I'm back in charge."
Full article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1662640,00.html
From justinhart at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 08:54:59 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Tue Jun 21 08:56:32 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] INFOWARS: CARTOONS/ARTWORK.
In-Reply-To: <20050621020502.77339.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050621015041.56731.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
<20050621020502.77339.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
Scroll to the bottom and look at the ad.
Justin
On 6/20/05, Robert Juliano wrote:
>
>
> Clyde,
>
> >sigh<
>
> some of those would seem to have a grain of truth...
>
> yet another in the long and yet still growing reason
> for my "large model rocketry and systems engineering
> project."
>
> Bob
>
> --- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> >
> > http://www.infowars.com/cartoons.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Jun 21 14:22:22 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Jun 21 14:22:37 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] INFOWARS: CARTOONS/ARTWORK.
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20050621212223.71919.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
YEAH, I LOOKED AT IT.
I DON'T CONSIDER THE ARTWORK WEBLINK
THAT I POSTED, TO BE SPAM, OR COMMERCIAL
MATERIAL.
THEY AREN'T ASKING FOR ANY MONEY TO
PURCHASE THE ARTWORK THAT I COULD TELL;
BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO SEE IF
THE ARTWORK IS BEING SOLD.
SORRY IF IT UPSET ANYONE.
POLITICAL SCIENCE HAS JUST SCREWED UP
HANDS ON, PHYSICS SCIENCE IN MY LIFE,
PROBABLY BECAUSE I COME FROM A GODDAMNED
POLITICAL FAMILY, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE
TO FIND A PERFECT ESCAPE FROM ALL OF THAT
NEVERENDING SENSELESS SHIT, BECAUSE IT IS
FORCED UPON ME.
I APOLOGIZE.
I GOTTA GO; I'M BACK ON THE LIBRARY COMPUTER
AGAIN, SINCE THE HOMECOMPUTER IS HOPELESS,
AND I'M NOT GOOD WITH THE ACTUAL WORKINGS,
WITH COMPUTERS.
RADIO SCIENCE IS MY MAIN AREA OF INTEREST,
AND AMATEUR EXPERTISE.
LATER,
CLYDE
Justin Hart wrote:
Scroll to the bottom and look at the ad.
Justin
On 6/20/05, Robert Juliano wrote:
>
>
> Clyde,
>
> >sigh<
>
> some of those would seem to have a grain of truth...
>
> yet another in the long and yet still growing reason
> for my "large model rocketry and systems engineering
> project."
>
> Bob
>
> --- clyde lofton wrote:
>
>
> > http://www.infowars.com/cartoons.htm
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Tue Jun 21 14:36:06 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 21 14:36:24 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SHE'S UP !!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <36.75282d68.2fe9e246@aol.com>
So far, so good. Fox News says it cost 4 million to develop Cosmos 1, I bet
it would have cost NASA 140 million to do the same, better triple that., come
to think of it perhaps we should 10 time that.
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Jun 21 14:41:22 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Jun 21 14:41:26 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SHE'S UP !!!!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <36.75282d68.2fe9e246@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050621214122.93025.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
GOOD POINT!
I WANT A PRIVATE CITIZEN'S SPACE
AGENCY, FOR EVERYONE WHO
HAS THE INTEREST; LIKE BURT RUTAN'S
SPACESHIP ONE PROJECT, BEING
TAKEN TO THE LIMIT.
GOTTA GO.
CLYDE
Vesta111@aol.com wrote:
So far, so good. Fox News says it cost 4 million to develop Cosmos 1, I bet it would have cost NASA 140 million to do the same, better triple that., come to think of it perhaps we should 10 time that.
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From FMoore at POCO.com Wed Jun 22 06:38:19 2005
From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Wed Jun 22 06:38:32 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SHE'S UP !!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD7317@pzisexch.poco.com>
www.planetary.org
They are the people behind Cosmos-1. I've been a member since '85.
Highly worthwhile organization to belong to if you have an interest in
space exploration beyond what NASA and other government sponsored
programs are doing. While The Planetary Society of works in conjunction
with government programs... Funding for most of the efforts they
initiate comes from donations and sponsors.
Frank F. Moore
Project Scientist
Poco Graphite, Inc.
300 Old Greenwood Rd.
Decatur, TX 76234
Ph: 940-393-4360
Fax: 940-393-8383
FMoore@poco.com
________________________________
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From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Wed Jun 22 07:13:11 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SHE'S UP !!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD7327@pzisexch.poco.com>
Looks like there's a possibility the launch was NOT successful.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1894&e=1&u=/ap/20050622/ap_on_
sc/solar_sail
Frank F. Moore
Project Scientist
Poco Graphite, Inc.
300 Old Greenwood Rd.
Decatur, TX 76234
Ph: 940-393-4360
Fax: 940-393-8383
FMoore@poco.com
________________________________
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[mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of Moore,
Frank
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:38 AM
To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List
Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] SHE'S UP !!!!!!!!!!
www.planetary.org
They are the people behind Cosmos-1. I've been a member since '85.
Highly worthwhile organization to belong to if you have an interest in
space exploration beyond what NASA and other government sponsored
programs are doing. While The Planetary Society often works in
conjunction with government programs... Funding for most of the efforts
they initiate comes from donations and sponsors.
Frank F. Moore
Project Scientist
Poco Graphite, Inc.
300 Old Greenwood Rd.
Decatur, TX 76234
Ph: 940-393-4360
Fax: 940-393-8383
FMoore@poco.com
________________________________
From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
[mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of clyde
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Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 4:41 PM
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Jun 22 12:44:26 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Wed Jun 22 12:44:42 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Cosmos 1 Keps?
Message-ID: <005701c57762$cc36a200$6401a8c0@mikey>
It may not have been computed yet, but if anyone has the 2-line Keplerian
elset for Cosmos 1, I need it for my tracking software. Actually, I could
enter the elements manually, if not in standard format.
If I find it first, I will post it here.
-MB
From FMoore at POCO.com Wed Jun 22 13:36:58 2005
From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Wed Jun 22 13:37:04 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Fate of Cosmos-1 Site in Question
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD73B6@pzisexch.poco.com>
>From The Planetary Society Website:
http://www.planetary.org/solarsail/latest_update.html
Solar Sail Latest Updates
June 21-22, 2005
10:30 am PDT, June 22 (17:30 UTC)
The Planetary Society as issued the following statement on the fate of
Cosmos 1, the first Solar Sail Spacecraft:
In the past twenty-four hours, the Russian space agency (RKA) has made a
tentative conclusion that the Volna rocket carrying Cosmos 1 failed
during the firing of the first stage. This would mean that Cosmos 1 is
lost.
While it is likely that this conclusion is correct, there are some
inconsistent indications from information received from other sources.
The Cosmos 1 team observed what appear to be signals, that looks like
they are from the spacecraft when it was over the first three ground
stations and some Doppler data over one of these stations. This might
indicate that Cosmos 1 made it into orbit, but probably a lower one than
intended. The project team now considers this to be a very small
probability. But because there is a slim chance that it might be so,
efforts to contact and track the spacecraft continue. We are working
with US Strategic Command to provide additional information in a day or
so.
If the spacecraft made it to orbit, its autonomous program might be
working, and after 4 days the sails could automatically deploy. While
the chances of this are very, very small, we still encourage optical
observers to see if the sail can be seen after that time.
We await further developments and information coming out of Russia,
STRATCOM, and the tracking stations.
Frank F. Moore
Project Scientist
Poco Graphite, Inc.
300 Old Greenwood Rd.
Decatur, TX 76234
Ph: 940-393-4360
Fax: 940-393-8383
FMoore@poco.com
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 14:36:06 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Jun 23 14:36:11 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] One weblink for now.
Message-ID: <20050623213606.41795.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Weblink:
http://globalization.icaap.org/content/v1.1/gpfd.html
Clyde
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Jun 24 09:11:39 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Fri Jun 24 09:11:57 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] "This is not a smoking gun for superfluidity. This
is a cannon."
Message-ID: <003201c578d7$67e1f310$6401a8c0@mikey>
MIT physicists create new form of matter
June 22, 2005
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- MIT scientists have brought a supercool end to a heated
race among physicists: They have become the first to create a new type of
matter, a gas of atoms that shows high-temperature superfluidity.
Their work, to be reported in the June 23 issue of Nature, is closely
related to the superconductivity of electrons in metals. Observations of
superfluids may help solve lingering questions about high-temperature
superconductivity, which has widespread applications for magnets, sensors
and energy-efficient transport of electricity, said Wolfgang Ketterle, a
Nobel laureate who heads the MIT group and who is the John D. MacArthur
Professor of Physics as well as a principal investigator in MIT's Research
Laboratory of Electronics.
Full article:
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2005/matter.html
From FMoore at POCO.com Fri Jun 24 09:16:28 2005
From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Fri Jun 24 09:16:35 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Latest on Cosmos-1
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD753B@pzisexch.poco.com>
http://www.planetary.org/solarsail/latest_update.html
Sad but true.
Frank F. Moore
Project Scientist
Poco Graphite, Inc.
300 Old Greenwood Rd.
Decatur, TX 76234
Ph: 940-393-4360
Fax: 940-393-8383
FMoore@poco.com
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 14:47:02 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri Jun 24 14:47:07 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Ventilation duct intake.
Message-ID: <20050624214702.94267.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
I removed the ventilation system intake cover
the day before yesterday, and it appears that
the inside lining of the square hole in the
ceiling is lined with asbestos.
I need to remedy this problem very soon.
Clyde
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 15:11:08 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Fri Jun 24 15:11:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Ventilation duct intake.
In-Reply-To: <20050624214702.94267.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050624221108.27288.qmail@web51912.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
go to any head shop/ pot head store. buy 12 "water
pipes." arrnage your ducting to force the air through
the "water pipes." this should clean out the
particulates. clean out the water as needed. if you
add in a UV lamp, you should be able to start killing
off any mold.
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> I removed the ventilation system intake cover
> the day before yesterday, and it appears that
> the inside lining of the square hole in the
> ceiling is lined with asbestos.
> I need to remedy this problem very soon.
>
> Clyde
>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jun 24 16:25:22 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Jun 24 16:25:42 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Ventilation duct intake.
In-Reply-To: <20050624214702.94267.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 24, 2005 02:47:02 PM
Message-ID: <20050624232523.15507.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I removed the ventilation system intake cover
> the day before yesterday, and it appears that
> the inside lining of the square hole in the
> ceiling is lined with asbestos.
> I need to remedy this problem very soon.
(Shudder)
I like the way you said "appears". We do need to know if it is,
before we call out the demolition squad.
How old is the house? If recent, say last twenty or thirty years,
then it is not likely to be asbestos. If more than fifty, much more
likely.
How long have you lived in that house?
When was the last time you had a professional air vent cleaning
company clean up the air ducts.
More recently, fiberglass has been used. This is not good
either... but nowhere near as bad.
Also, asbestos is not that bad if it is not disturbed, if you are
getting enough calcium to calcify the particles in your lungs, and most
important, if you don't smoke. It's not good, mind you! But you are not
instantly doomed if you are not an active smoker.
Of course, I should ask why you believe it is asbestos. I can't
see what you are looking at, have not analyzed it under a polarized
light microscope, etc. And am a real SOB about confirming things either
way, like a lot of scientists and engineers are. It might just be
white dust from plaster deterioration, especially in an air intake. Or
it may be many other things.
If it is asbestos, and you really need to determine that for sure,
then the entire house will need to be professionally remedied, as you
are not going to be able to seal the asbestos yourself. The lung injury
could explain some of your problems, as the number one place where the
body stores vitamin C is the brain.
This could also be powdery white mold, or mold on dust. That too,
could trigger allergy type situations which would draw vitamin C from
the brain and reduce it's performance.
We need to know what it is.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jun 24 16:34:37 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Jun 24 16:34:42 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Ventilation duct intake.
In-Reply-To: <20050624221108.27288.qmail@web51912.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at Jun 24, 2005 03:11:08 PM
Message-ID: <20050624233437.22174.qmail@mall-net.com>
> go to any head shop/ pot head store. buy 12 "water
> pipes." arrnage your ducting to force the air through
> the "water pipes." this should clean out the
> particulates. clean out the water as needed. if you
> add in a UV lamp, you should be able to start killing
> off any mold.
This is an intake, sucking air out of the room. HEPA filters on the
outlet in the house would certainly help, but would reduce air flow;
though less than bubbling through water. In any event, the quantity of
air typically moved through a duct while the fan is working, would be a
bit much for a simple system like this.
Plus, of course, the suspicion of parents, etc. when they see this
kind of paraphenalia.
The use of an UV lamp, while good for mold destruction, has the
risk of generating ozone. Ozone can cause serious lung injury if used
over a long period of time. (several days to weeks.)
Those of us with allergies run across this kind of trouble fairly
often. There are a number of filtering devices available retail. I have
build my own, http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/air.html . I don't run it
here, but did run it in other places. It's a lot cheaper than a
professional quality device.
Perhaps Clyde can perfect it a bit. My own things tend to be a
little hodge podge because I'm not a mechanics person; I'm in software.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 19:33:36 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Fri Jun 24 19:33:42 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Ventilation duct intake.
In-Reply-To: <20050624233437.22174.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050625023336.95117.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com>
Javilk,
sorry about that, I misread it. the system I suggested
should work (provided you get the larger, coffee can
size "water pipe".)
and it is always so much fun to have people tie their
brains in knots, once they perform their righteous
raid on the evil user of "water pipes," only to find
it being used for non-nefarious purposes. (I love
doing this sort of thing... I had cops walk into my
place down in maryland, convinced I was some sort of
militia dude [ firearm parts, APCP, BATF orange book,
books on fortifications, books on trajectories, sca
contacts and armor, multiple known pagan associates,
etc]. they barged into the house, to find the NAR
guidelines, my editor wanting to known when the book
would be done, and the SCAdians paying me for the
plate. my wife was serving lunch for the coven. the
cops apologized, left, and bought me coffee the next
day.)
Bob
--- javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> This is an intake, sucking air out of the room.
> HEPA filters on the
> outlet in the house would certainly help, but would
> reduce air flow;
> though less than bubbling through water. In any
> event, the quantity of
> air typically moved through a duct while the fan is
> working, would be a
> bit much for a simple system like this.
>
> Plus, of course, the suspicion of parents, etc.
> when they see this
> kind of paraphenalia.
>
> The use of an UV lamp, while good for mold
> destruction, has the
> risk of generating ozone. Ozone can cause serious
> lung injury if used
> over a long period of time. (several days to weeks.)
>
> Those of us with allergies run across this kind
> of trouble fairly
> often. There are a number of filtering devices
> available retail. I have
> build my own, http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/air.html .
> I don't run it
> here, but did run it in other places. It's a lot
> cheaper than a
> professional quality device.
>
> Perhaps Clyde can perfect it a bit. My own
> things tend to be a
> little hodge podge because I'm not a mechanics
> person; I'm in software.
>
>
> -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
> CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what
> to do.
> Nothing in this document should be construed as
> medical advice.
> My opinions are subject to the availability of
> information.
> I learn new things each day, and so may change my
> opinions.
>
> For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who
> practices
> orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend
> mine.
> Today's
> Art Photo
> Chem /
> Fungus allergies
> Dr.
> Cathcart / Vit C.
>
> Arthritis
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Jun 24 21:17:25 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri Jun 24 21:17:28 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Ventilation duct intake.
In-Reply-To: <20050625023336.95117.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at Jun 24, 2005 07:33:36 PM
Message-ID: <20050625041725.59595.qmail@mall-net.com>
> sorry about that, I misread it. the system I suggested
> should work (provided you get the larger, coffee can
> size "water pipe".)
Certainly help some, great for "I gotta have it tonight so I can
get enough sleep to get a real filter Monday." HEPA filters are better.
> and it is always so much fun to have people tie their
> brains in knots, once they perform their righteous
> raid on the evil user of "water pipes," only to find
> it being used for non-nefarious purposes. (I love
> doing this sort of thing... I had cops walk into my
> place down in maryland, convinced I was some sort of
> militia dude [ firearm parts, APCP, BATF orange book,
> books on fortifications, books on trajectories, sca
> contacts and armor, multiple known pagan associates,
> etc]. they barged into the house, to find the NAR
> guidelines, my editor wanting to known when the book
> would be done, and the SCAdians paying me for the
> plate. my wife was serving lunch for the coven. the
> cops apologized, left, and bought me coffee the next
> day.)
I remember they showed up at my door because I was wearing a gas
mask due to the crap in the air. I said Allergies, and they understood.
That time.
I've also had others point guns at me, not quite sure what they
discovered. When they saw my white shirt and neat diagonally striped
tie, they just about panicked, Said "that's ok, that's ok", backed out
of there, turneed their car around in a spot with just a few inches to
spare, and got out of there.
Molloy was right about that white shirt and tie! Best weapon I've
ever owned!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From agassi at erols.com Sat Jun 25 01:30:54 2005
From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi)
Date: Sat Jun 25 01:31:45 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] zag me!
Message-ID:
Can anyone confirm that zinc alpha 2 glycoprotein is an angiogenesis
inhibitor? Or is there some other mean by which the protein fights both
cancer and obesity? Where and how can it be acquired? And how can ZAG be
administered until a pill is finally developed?
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Jun 25 13:47:11 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat Jun 25 13:47:17 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Ventilation duct intake.
In-Reply-To: <20050624232523.15507.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050625204711.41522.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> I removed the ventilation system intake cover
> the day before yesterday, and it appears that
> the inside lining of the square hole in the
> ceiling is lined with asbestos.
> I need to remedy this problem very soon.
(Shudder)
I like the way you said "appears". We do need to know if it is,
before we call out the demolition squad.
THIN, FIBROUS, 'DARK' BROWN LINING MATERIAL.
How old is the house?
BUILT IN 1975.
If recent, say last twenty or thirty years,
then it is not likely to be asbestos. If more than fifty, much more
likely.
How long have you lived in that house?
29 YEARS; THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1975.
FROM STORIES THAT I HEARD IN THE PAST, HOMES MANUFACTURED
BACK THEN USED ASBESTOS.
When was the last time you had a professional air vent cleaning
company clean up the air ducts.
NOT ANY TIME THAT I CAN REMEMBER; THE HOUSE IS MY MOTHER AND
FATHER'S HOUSE; MY DAD DIED IN 99' AND MY MOTHER CANNOT AFFORD
TO HAVE THE DUCTS PROFESSIONALLY CLEANED, AS THE PRICE
IS APPROXIMATELY $300.000 AND TOO EXPENSIVE FOR HER TO AFFORD.
More recently, fiberglass has been used. This is not good
either... but nowhere near as bad.
YEAH, BUT THE MATERIAL THAT LINES THE AIR INTAKE IS DEFINATELY
NOT FIBERGLASS, WELL I MIGHT BE WRONG; HELL, IT COULD BE
THIN FIBERGLASS LINING, FOR WHAT LITTLE THAT I KNOW ABOUT THAT
STUFF.
Also, asbestos is not that bad if it is not disturbed, if you are
getting enough calcium to calcify the particles in your lungs, and most
important, if you don't smoke. It's not good, mind you! But you are not
instantly doomed if you are not an active smoker.
ACTUALLY, I'M NOT GETTING A LOT OF CALCIUM, AND I NEED TO UP MY
CALCIUM INTAKE.
I AM FOR CERTAIN, HAVING CARDIOVASCULAR TROUBLES;
AND I DON'T SMOKE.
Of course, I should ask why you believe it is asbestos. I can't
see what you are looking at, have not analyzed it under a polarized
light microscope, etc. And am a real SOB about confirming things either
way, like a lot of scientists and engineers are. It might just be
white dust from plaster deterioration, especially in an air intake. Or
it may be many other things.
THE DUST THAT COLLECTS ON MY ELECTRONICS IS WHITE, MIXED WITH
LINT.
IT MAY HAVE MANY MORE CONTENTS THAN THOSE TWO, THOUGH.
THE APPEARANCE MAKES IT LOOK LIKE PULVERIZED CONCRETE DUST,
AND WHEN IT IS RUBBED FROM PLACES WHERE IT COLLECTS, IS MORE
LIKE LINT, FROM MANY MANY YEARS OF WASHED AND DRIED CLOTHES.
If it is asbestos, and you really need to determine that for sure,
then the entire house will need to be professionally remedied, as you
are not going to be able to seal the asbestos yourself. The lung injury
could explain some of your problems, as the number one place where the
body stores vitamin C is the brain.
This could also be powdery white mold, or mold on dust. That too,
could trigger allergy type situations which would draw vitamin C from
the brain and reduce it's performance.
MY NOSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN STUFFY IN THE HOUSE, AND HAS CHANGED
FOR THE WORSE WITHIN THE LAST SOME ODD YEARS, DUE TO THE
FUCKING PRESCRIPTION DRUGS REDUCING MY NASAL DRAINAGE.
We need to know what it is.
OK.
I HOPE I'VE GIVEN ENOUGH INFO HERE SO THAT YOU ALL CAN DETERMINE
WHAT IT IS.
I NEED TO GO.
I'LL HAVE TO WAIT TO RESPOND BACK TO YOU ALL ON MONDAY,
SINCE I AM AT THE LIBRARY COMPUTER, AND MY TIME IS SHORT.
CLYDE
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Jun 25 16:15:41 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat Jun 25 16:15:50 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Ventilation duct intake.
In-Reply-To: <20050625204711.41522.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 25, 2005 01:47:11 PM
Message-ID: <20050625231541.86651.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > I removed the ventilation system intake cover
> > the day before yesterday, and it appears that
> > the inside lining of the square hole in the
> > ceiling is lined with asbestos.
> I like the way you said "appears". We do need to know if it is,
> before we call out the demolition squad.
>
> THIN, FIBROUS, 'DARK' BROWN LINING MATERIAL.
Naked eye? Or what power microscope?
If naked eye, almost certainly fiberglass. If microscope, the low
power sounds more like fiberglass; but I can't really say. Most of the
photographs I saw were of white fibers. I'd like to put those fibers
between polariod filters in a microscope to see if they were reasonably
safe melts, or mineral fibers which would twist light to show rainbow
colors.
> How old is the house?
> BUILT IN 1975.
That would be the edge of asbestos use, I think...
Looks like I was mistaken. Although use of asbestos peaked by 1973
and started falling, some was still used in wall materials and celing
tiles till about 1978.
> 29 YEARS; THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1975.
> FROM STORIES THAT I HEARD IN THE PAST, HOMES MANUFACTURED
> BACK THEN USED ASBESTOS.
Yes.
> When was the last time you had a professional air vent cleaning
> company clean up the air ducts.
>
> NOT ANY TIME THAT I CAN REMEMBER; THE HOUSE IS MY MOTHER AND
> FATHER'S HOUSE; MY DAD DIED IN 99' AND MY MOTHER CANNOT AFFORD
> TO HAVE THE DUCTS PROFESSIONALLY CLEANED, AS THE PRICE
> IS APPROXIMATELY $300.000 AND TOO EXPENSIVE FOR HER TO AFFORD.
$300. About right. It takes a lot of suction to pull the vents
clean, so it is usually a truck mounted rig they use.
> More recently, fiberglass has been used. This is not good
> either... but nowhere near as bad.
>
> YEAH, BUT THE MATERIAL THAT LINES THE AIR INTAKE IS DEFINATELY
> NOT FIBERGLASS, WELL I MIGHT BE WRONG; HELL, IT COULD BE
> THIN FIBERGLASS LINING, FOR WHAT LITTLE THAT I KNOW ABOUT THAT
> STUFF.
Tan-yellow or slightly pinkish is fiberglass. I saw it in the
ducts of a house I rented in Florida back in 1977 - 1978. I wasn't too
happy about that.
> Also, asbestos is not that bad if it is not disturbed, if you are
> getting enough calcium to calcify the particles in your lungs, and most
> important, if you don't smoke. It's not good, mind you! But you are not
> instantly doomed if you are not an active smoker.
>
> ACTUALLY, I'M NOT GETTING A LOT OF CALCIUM, AND I NEED TO UP MY
> CALCIUM INTAKE.
> I AM FOR CERTAIN, HAVING CARDIOVASCULAR TROUBLES;
> AND I DON'T SMOKE.
Cardiovascular symptoms can also be driven by pulmonary problems,
problems with the lungs. Not saying that is the cause; and some of the
doctors should have noticed and said something if it was. (Not that
they always get things...)
> Of course, I should ask why you believe it is asbestos. I can't
> THE DUST THAT COLLECTS ON MY ELECTRONICS IS WHITE, MIXED WITH
> LINT.
Yes. And you don't have a good 500 - 1000 power microscope to
check it under. Any schools, former science teachers, etc. you can go
to? It's the "lint" that bothers me more than the powder.
> IT MAY HAVE MANY MORE CONTENTS THAN THOSE TWO, THOUGH.
> THE APPEARANCE MAKES IT LOOK LIKE PULVERIZED CONCRETE DUST,
> AND WHEN IT IS RUBBED FROM PLACES WHERE IT COLLECTS, IS MORE
> LIKE LINT, FROM MANY MANY YEARS OF WASHED AND DRIED CLOTHES.
Does not sound too good... If it were brown, we could more
readily dismiss it as just dust of the earth, like we have in farm
country.
But the cement plant you mentioned does have some relevance. And
they do burn all kinds of crap in the furnaces, everything from old
paint to motor oils, almost anything that burns that they can get on the
cheap and get away with burning.
> This could also be powdery white mold, or mold on dust. That too,
> could trigger allergy type situations which would draw vitamin C from
> the brain and reduce it's performance.
>
> MY NOSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN STUFFY IN THE HOUSE, AND HAS CHANGED
> FOR THE WORSE WITHIN THE LAST SOME ODD YEARS, DUE TO THE
> FUCKING PRESCRIPTION DRUGS REDUCING MY NASAL DRAINAGE.
Right! Most people object to post nasal drip; but it's there for a
reason.
> I HOPE I'VE GIVEN ENOUGH INFO HERE SO THAT YOU ALL CAN DETERMINE
> WHAT IT IS.
Not really; but I think we can rule out a lot of stuff that we
really didn't want to rule out.
> I'LL HAVE TO WAIT TO RESPOND BACK TO YOU ALL ON MONDAY,
> SINCE I AM AT THE LIBRARY COMPUTER, AND MY TIME IS SHORT.
Understood. Best of luck...
See if you can chase down some high school science teacher or
university professor. If you've lived there most of your life, a couple
more weeks isn't going to make that much difference. Getting a science
teacher involved will work better in the short run than getting the feds
involved and having your home condemned as a toxic waste site. At
least, not till you've figured out who'll pay for the remediation and/or
alternative housing.
Or you could just redouble your efforts to find work in Boulder
Colorado or some other place and run away from the problems to face new
problems. New problems are always so much more refreshing than the old
ones we've all convince ourselves are insoluble. In industry, if someone
hasn't solved the problems in six monts, he's probably not going to
solve them, and has to be rotated out of the problem area to get a fresh
pair of eyes and mind to look at it.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jun 26 09:31:35 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun Jun 26 09:31:51 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Ventilation duct intake.
In-Reply-To: <20050625204711.41522.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 25, 2005 01:47:11 PM
Message-ID: <20050626163135.69507.qmail@mall-net.com>
I'm reading an interesting book "Medical Mavericks" Volume 3, by
Dr. Hugh Desaix Riordan, M.D. These are essentially mad scientists in
medicine, where having the quintessential mad scientist experience is
apparently rather easy.
Although I'm going to concentrate on one article in the book for
Clyde, there is another article on intelligence that the rest of us may
find interesting.
Clyde, you are in a library now, yes? I think you might find the
book very interesting! See if you can get it via inter-library loan.
Dr. Hoffer (page 69+) makes an interesting observation. The
breakdown products of adrenaline, the adrenochromes, have effects
similar to those of mescaline -- the generation of schizoidal symptoms
in a healthy human brain. (page 73 & 74)
What do you keep mentioning, Clyde? Adrenaline and anger?
I should point out that in any repeated physical injury, even if
the injury is so diffuse or internal as to be difficult to detect, there
is strong production of adrenaline. In many individuals this will
continue till the adrenals are exhausted. It may take weeks or years
before this happens. It took three years in my case before the adrenals
ran out of steam, and I started having problems with stamina, etc. (My
trigger was eating a supplementary yeast product, which was triggering a
sub-acute allergy process. I was, in effect, addicted to the adrenal
surge from eating this yeast powder. When I stopped taking it, I went
through withdrawal, three weeks of the darkest depression I'd ever
experienced! And with that, the allergy is clear -- I react very badly
to yeast products, getting a huge surge of adrenaline followed a few
hours later by paralytic Parkinson's-like collapse.)
Dr., Hoffer also notes that in the 1940's, when he got both a Ph.D.
and an M.D., that the study of psychiatry required a lot of rigorous
scientific thought; whereas the study of medicine discouraged thought
completely. Medicine, it appears, knows everything and all doctors need
do, is memorize what to do when. In contrast Psychiatry, at least in
the 40's, was struggling with the unknown, particularly the plague of
schizophrenia, which took up half the beds in mental hospitals. (And
now, most of the beds in homeless shelters.)
Dr. Hoffer, then an Associate Professor and the Director of
Psychiatric Research for the Department of Public Health in
Saskatchewan, Canada, found that megadose therapy with niacin and
vitamin C when maintained over time, cured a high percentage of
schizoidal patients. The niacin retards the conversion of noradrenaline
into adrenaline, and the vitamin C reduces the oxidation of adrenaline
to adrenochromes. This double barreled approach reduces the levels of
adrenochromes and thus reduces mental symptoms in some types of
schizophrenia.
For this, he was ridiculed and essentially barred from publishing
in most psychiatric journals. Medical journals accept a LOT of
advertising from drug companies. And has I found in the 1990's,
belonging to several mailing lists which soon attracted drug company
advertising; when they hear the word vitamin, they act very quickly to
get rid of the person speaking favorably of vitamins. I and others like
me were first censored, then strongly admonishments from the list
manager that we were upsetting his sponsors, which would cost him
revenues. When we still didn't stop, we were thrown off one by one.
Dr. Hoffer then resigned from his posts and went on to establish a
successful private practice treating over 5,000 schizoidal patients with
about a 90% cure rate when treatments continued over two years. (I
assume those whom vitamins didn't help left the program, and were thus
not counted.)
Dr. Hoffer founded the Journal of Orthomolecular Psychiatry, which
I had mentioned earlier; It was first called the Journal of
Schizophrenia, and is now called the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine.
See also http://www.orthomolecular.org/ . My doctor, Dr. Cathcart, has
published in that journal over the years. His URL is
http://www.orthomolecular.com/ and I have several of his papers at
http://www.mall-net.com/cathcart/ )
Get the book. "Medical Mavericks" Volume 3, by Riordan.
Published by Bio-Communications Press, Wichita, Kansas.
Or order it from Wholesale Nutrition, 1-800-FALCONI (Monday through
Saturday) http://www.nutri.com/ . You'll have to ask for the book
specifically as it is not yet in their price list. I got my copy as a
bonus for helping put some videos on Dr. Kalokerinos and vitamin C on
the web. If anyone wants to see them, e-mail me off list as I have a
few free viewing "tickets" available. (The site is bandwidth limited,
so we are restricting access.)
Although I don't make any money recommending the book, Wholesale
Nutrition has been a client of mine for 14 years. I've been buying
products from them for 23 years, starting with their mention in Pierson
and Shaw's "Life Extension" book series.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Jun 26 12:16:48 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Sun Jun 26 12:16:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] CVS disposable camcorder cracked!
Message-ID: <002001c57a83$99d11c90$6401a8c0@mikey>
Crack:
http://www.maushammer.com/systems/cvscamcorder/flash.html
/. article:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/25/1758235
From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Jun 26 19:44:59 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Sun Jun 26 19:45:06 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The REAL fireworks for July Fourth!
Message-ID: <000101c57ac2$361c5e00$6401a8c0@mikey>
Fireworks Likely When NASA Blows Up Comet
June 26, 2005 6:27 PM EDT
LOS ANGELES - Not all dazzling fireworks displays will be on Earth this
Independence Day. NASA hopes to shoot off its own celestial sparks in an
audacious mission that will blast a stadium-sized hole in a comet half the
size of Manhattan. It would give astronomers their first peek at the inside
of one of these heavenly bodies.
If all goes as planned, the Deep Impact spacecraft will release a wine
barrel-sized probe on a suicide journey, hurtling toward the comet Tempel 1
- about 80 million miles away from Earth at the time of impact.
Full article:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimpact/main/index.html
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 11:09:40 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Jun 27 11:09:46 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've said it before, and I'll say it more.
Message-ID: <20050627180940.68237.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
I've said it before, and I'll say it more:
This country needs drastic moral revival,
and drastic changes for the better, in the
financial and energy infrastructures.
This country also needs to get out of
communist crap worthless china too.
Clyde
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 11:19:02 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Mon Jun 27 11:19:10 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've said it before, and I'll say it more.
In-Reply-To: <20050627180940.68237.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050627181902.91279.qmail@web51912.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
I agree with you that this country needs to have
people with a sense of morals. I am unsure as to WHOSE
morals I'd want all of us to follow. (example: my wife
is a pagan. Should she have to convert to
christianity? Should the rest of the US have to
convert to electic northern shamanism?)
One of the great strengths of this country is our
diversity. While there are a few things I want put up
with (I am pretty much a New York boy...), I pretty
much have an attitude of live and let live.
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> I've said it before, and I'll say it more:
>
> This country needs drastic moral revival,
> and drastic changes for the better, in the
> financial and energy infrastructures.
> This country also needs to get out of
> communist crap worthless china too.
>
> Clyde
>
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>
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 11:18:40 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Jun 27 11:19:21 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Lost my mind
Message-ID: <20050627181840.66162.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
I've lost my mind in this ceaseless senseless
city of endless stupidity; The industrial slum
shitty of Tulsa.
My spirit is broken.
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 11:23:29 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Mon Jun 27 11:23:36 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Lost my mind
In-Reply-To: <20050627181840.66162.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050627182329.69396.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
may I offer a different paradigm or two?
1.) while I was living in Eastern Shore, Maryland
("where the 18th century meets the 1950's"), I
considered my time there to be sort of like being in a
training hall/secluded kung fu monastery.
2.) If the industrial scene has you down, perhaps you
can develop your own personal metaphor from the
cyberpunk literature/games/images.
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> I've lost my mind in this ceaseless senseless
> city of endless stupidity; The industrial slum
> shitty of Tulsa.
> My spirit is broken.
>
> Clyde
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jun 27 11:29:15 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Jun 27 11:29:27 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Lost my mind
In-Reply-To: <20050627181840.66162.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 27, 2005 11:18:40 AM
Message-ID: <20050627182915.44469.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I've lost my mind in this ceaseless senseless
> city of endless stupidity; The industrial slum
> shitty of Tulsa.
> My spirit is broken.
You are breathing, aren't you?
That's a big plus!
Here in America, perhaps two hundred fifty to five hundred people
stopped breathing since yesterday. And a few more are starting from
scratch, learning to breathe and wiggle their hands having just been
born. It will be years before they start walking! Over a decade before
they can read well and do much math.
Take a deep breath. You deserve it.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 11:29:44 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Jun 27 11:29:49 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've said it before, and I'll say it more.
In-Reply-To: <20050627181902.91279.qmail@web51912.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050627182944.34834.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com>
Robert Juliano wrote:
Clyde,
I agree with you that this country needs to have
people with a sense of morals. I am unsure as to WHOSE
morals I'd want all of us to follow. (example: my wife
is a pagan. Should she have to convert to
christianity?
I WAS A CHRISTIAN, UNTIL ALL OF THE BURDENS OF RELIGION WERE
PILED ON TOP OF ME, BREAKING MY BACK, AND MY SPIRIT.
I CHOOSE CHRISTISM, WHOLE-ISM, ABSOLUTISM, ISOLATIONSIM, ETC.,,,
BECAUSE I AM JUST SICK OF ALL OF THE CEASELESS SENSELESS SHIT OF
LIFE AND DEATH, AND SEX AND DRUGS AND ROCK AND ROLL.
Should the rest of the US have to
convert to electic northern shamanism?)
NO.
JUST PEACE FOR EVERYONE, IF POSSIBLE.
BUT THAT WOULD TAKE THE DOMINATION OF THE NEW AGE NONSENSE,
AND AS I'VE LEARNED, THE NEW AGE IS A HOMOSEXUAL CONTROVERSY/
CONSPIRACY, AGAINST EVERYONE.
One of the great strengths of this country is our
diversity. While there are a few things I want put up
with (I am pretty much a New York boy...), I pretty
much have an attitude of live and let live.
WELL I WISH FOR ETERNAL LIFE, BUT LIFE IS JUST SO FULL OF CEASELESS
SENSELESS STUPIDITY THAT IS FORCED UPON ALL OF US.
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> I've said it before, and I'll say it more:
>
> This country needs drastic moral revival,
> and drastic changes for the better, in the
> financial and energy infrastructures.
> This country also needs to get out of
> communist crap worthless china too.
>
> Clyde
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 11:38:22 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Jun 27 11:38:27 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Lost my mind
In-Reply-To: <20050627182915.44469.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050627183822.86580.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> I've lost my mind in this ceaseless senseless
> city of endless stupidity; The industrial slum
> shitty of Tulsa.
> My spirit is broken.
You are breathing, aren't you?
SHIT,,,, JUST BARELY....
AT WORK EARLIER, I TOLD A CUSTOMER THAT I WAS BARELY BREATHING,
AND HE AGREED.
THE FUCKING SKY IN THIS INDUSTRIAL WASTELAND OF TULSA, IS
ABSURD.
GOODBYE BLUE SKY,,, AS THAT PINK FLOYD SONG SAYS.
A GARGANTUAN SMOG/SMOKE/DIRT CLOUD OF DEATH, HOVERS OVER THIS
SHITTY, AS I TYPE ON THE KEYBOARD HERE.
THIS SHITTY ALWAYS HAS A BLACK CLOUD OF DEATH HANGING OVER IT.
COULD BE THE REASON FOR ALL OF THE ENDLESS PESSIMISM THAT
I HAVE.
That's a big plus!
JUST BARELY.
Here in America, perhaps two hundred fifty to five hundred people
stopped breathing since yesterday. And a few more are starting from
scratch, learning to breathe and wiggle their hands having just been
born. It will be years before they start walking! Over a decade before
they can read well and do much math.
Take a deep breath. You deserve it.
IF I COULD.
I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF OXYGEN.
AND AN OVERDOSE OF PAINKILLERS TOO.
I'VE GOTTA GO; ONLY HAVE 8 MINUTES REMAINING
AT THIS LIBRARY LOCATION.
I'LL TYPE BACK LATER AT THE REGIONAL LIBRARY, IF
I GET THE CHANCE.
CLYDE
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From FMoore at POCO.com Mon Jun 27 11:56:38 2005
From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Mon Jun 27 11:56:46 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD762E@pzisexch.poco.com>
There is a form of "Morality" that is devoid of most... Of not all...
Religious overtones.
It's called, ETHICS.
When I was in grade school... We had a part of each day when we were
instructed on Ethics and what it takes to be a good Citizen. That being
a good Citizen carried obligations in addition to the rights we enjoy.
This kind of teaching has been lost for a very long time in the Public
Schools, and "Modern" parents are not providing the kind of child
rearing in this regard that those of us over 50 received from ours.
I think returning instruction in Ethics and Citizenship to the Public
Schools... From at least 1st Grade (gotta start young) would be a great
beginning in turning things around.
Frank F. Moore
Project Scientist
Poco Graphite, Inc.
300 Old Greenwood Rd.
Decatur, TX 76234
Ph: 940-393-4360
Fax: 940-393-8383
FMoore@poco.com
-----Original Message-----
From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
[mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of Robert
Juliano
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:19 PM
To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] I've said it before, and I'll say it more.
Clyde,
I agree with you that this country needs to have people with a sense of
morals. I am unsure as to WHOSE morals I'd want all of us to follow.
(example: my wife is a pagan. Should she have to convert to
christianity? Should the rest of the US have to convert to electic
northern shamanism?)
One of the great strengths of this country is our diversity. While there
are a few things I want put up with (I am pretty much a New York
boy...), I pretty much have an attitude of live and let live.
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> I've said it before, and I'll say it more:
>
> This country needs drastic moral revival, and drastic changes for the
> better, in the financial and energy infrastructures.
> This country also needs to get out of
> communist crap worthless china too.
>
> Clyde
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jun 27 11:59:50 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Jun 27 11:59:54 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've said it before, and I'll say it more.
In-Reply-To: <20050627180940.68237.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 27, 2005 11:09:40 AM
Message-ID: <20050627185950.68311.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I've said it before, and I'll say it more:
>
> This country needs drastic moral revival,
> and drastic changes for the better, in the
> financial and energy infrastructures.
> This country also needs to get out of
> communist crap worthless china too.
Oh yes, one more thing. You're an American Citizen. Every
Father's Day, I thank my father for the greatest gift he gave me, my
American Citizenship.
Because our family knows that life without freedom isn't worth
living.
My father fought in the underground in Europe in World War II. He
hooked up with the Allies and chose to come to America, because in the
whole world, America is "the shining city on the hill", the bastion of
freedom where a man can do the most with his God given and self made
talents.
With tears in my eyes, I write that that is the greatest gift he
gave me; greater even than life itself. Millions of people around the
world beg for that gift. Millions more have risked their lives to come
to America, and are hiding behind forged papers and sham lives trying to
hang onto slivers of that gift. (For when a man fears being noticed,
he will not become what he can become.)
But as Robert said, look at it another way. Well, here's my way of
looking at it.
America is a nation where the citizens don't need to live sham
lives, pretending to be what they are not, as they do in China, in
Russia, in almost every other nation, not just the totalitarian ones, of
which there are far, far too many.
Could we use moral revival? Yes. But it won't come from a preacher
in the presidency. We tried that already. Jimmy the peanut was a
preacher. He gave us stagflation. He nearly lost the cold war by
kissing up to Brezhniev of the USSR.
Reagan didn't preach moral revival, he simply stood as a moral man,
letting others see an example of decency and morality. He expected
decent and moral behavior from the people in this nation, and by and
large, he got it!
When you look at other lands, you see there is far more thievery
than here in America. Why? Because people in so many other lands
believe that theft is the only way THEY can get things. We in America
see that we can make, can earn, can get almost anything we want if we
but work a little harder, a little smarter.
For me, the defining moment of America was the Loma Prieta
earthquake. A double decker roadway called The Cypress Structure
crossed the poorest of the poor neighborhoods in the San Francisco Bay
area. Some of the wealthiest people in the Bay drove over that roadway
from the rich suburbs in the mountains surrounding the bay.
When the quake hit, this structure collapsed, pining people in
their BMW'd and Mercedes under tons of unstable concrete.
The poorest of the poor came out of their homes, risked their lives
to save Fellow Human Beings.
In most other nations, there would be looting and murder, class
warfare. In America, we are all one people; we help each other.
That is my America.
Because of decisions I've made and accidents which befell me, I am
poorer than you are, Clyde. I can't take a hot shower whenever I want.
Yet I still believe. My soul knows that I will find another way to
live better. And if not in this life, then in the next.
My soul also knows that the only way to live better, is to help
others so that we may all live better. (And charge something for that
help.)
I am an Amer-I-Can. That is the greatest thing that I know. And
the rest is up to me. I Can and will do it because I am an Amer-I-Can!
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 12:21:26 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Mon Jun 27 12:21:34 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD762E@pzisexch.poco.com>
Message-ID: <20050627192126.42330.qmail@web51911.mail.yahoo.com>
Moore, Frank,
I would agree with you that some sort of ethics class
would be a good idea. The question I still have
wandering around in me head is whose ethics?
Maybe it's being a lapsed (escaped) christian, but I
am always looking out for creeping religionism.
I would bet that most of us here would agree that free
speech (with perhaps an education on the consequences
of speech [1]), fair dealings, and maybe equality of
opportunity (not full economic equity... work for that
beemer!) are all values to teach children.
I would posit that perhaps helping out others, two-way
loyalty (loyalty is a two way street, otherwise it's
slavery), a diversity are good things to teach.
therein lies the problem. who gets to choose which
values to teach? I respect somebody's right to go to
church, I just choose to not attend church. I respect
two people (or three, or four, factorial 5...)
deciding to get together and have "a quiet evening
together." just don't ask me to attend.
Bob
--- "Moore, Frank" wrote:
> There is a form of "Morality" that is devoid of
> most... Of not all...
> Religious overtones.
> It's called, ETHICS.
> When I was in grade school... We had a part of each
> day when we were
> instructed on Ethics and what it takes to be a good
> Citizen. That being
> a good Citizen carried obligations in addition to
> the rights we enjoy.
>
> This kind of teaching has been lost for a very long
> time in the Public
> Schools, and "Modern" parents are not providing the
> kind of child
> rearing in this regard that those of us over 50
> received from ours.
>
> I think returning instruction in Ethics and
> Citizenship to the Public
> Schools... From at least 1st Grade (gotta start
> young) would be a great
> beginning in turning things around.
>
> Frank F. Moore
> Project Scientist
> Poco Graphite, Inc.
> 300 Old Greenwood Rd.
> Decatur, TX 76234
> Ph: 940-393-4360
> Fax: 940-393-8383
> FMoore@poco.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]
> On Behalf Of Robert
> Juliano
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:19 PM
> To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] I've said it before,
> and I'll say it more.
>
>
> Clyde,
>
> I agree with you that this country needs to have
> people with a sense of
> morals. I am unsure as to WHOSE morals I'd want all
> of us to follow.
> (example: my wife is a pagan. Should she have to
> convert to
> christianity? Should the rest of the US have to
> convert to electic
> northern shamanism?)
>
> One of the great strengths of this country is our
> diversity. While there
> are a few things I want put up with (I am pretty
> much a New York
> boy...), I pretty much have an attitude of live and
> let live.
>
> Bob
>
>
> --- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> >
> > I've said it before, and I'll say it more:
> >
> > This country needs drastic moral revival, and
> drastic changes for the
> > better, in the financial and energy
> infrastructures.
> > This country also needs to get out of
> > communist crap worthless china too.
> >
> > Clyde
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Jun 27 12:22:37 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon Jun 27 12:22:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Lost my mind
In-Reply-To: <20050627183822.86580.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 27, 2005 11:38:22 AM
Message-ID: <20050627192237.85019.qmail@mall-net.com>
> You are breathing, aren't you?
>
>
> SHIT,,,, JUST BARELY....
>
> AT WORK EARLIER, I TOLD A CUSTOMER THAT I WAS BARELY BREATHING,
>
> AND HE AGREED.
BINGO!!!
I've been there!!! Very shallow breathing is a sign of BLOOD PH
problems!!!
Can you afford a CO2 cartridge and a CO2 cartridge bicycle tire
inflator. The total should cost you less than $20 if you buy the CO2
cartridges at Wall-Mart or a sporting goods store. ($10 for three CO2
cartridges at a bike shop is a ripoff! Five should cost you $4 at Big
5.
A bottle of seltzer water is cheaper and has far less CO2, but
might work. Holding one's breath as long as one can also helps. But
neither is as good as breathing higher carbon dioxide levels for a short
while.
What I have done from time to time, is to squirt some of that CO2
into a paper bag. Inhale once. Just once!
I start breathing deeply in under 30 seconds, notice my brain
clearing in under two minutes.
After two minutes, you can take another breath of it if you wish.
Don't over do it, as you need the oxygen.
if I breath deeply without this, I get dizzy and my coordination
falls apart because my blood pH becomes too alkaline. CO2 keeps it
acidic enough while simultaneously forcing one to breathe deeper and
get MORE oxygen.
If you breathe very shallow, you don't get enough oxygen, so the
body slows down. Other systems may trigger more adrenaline trying to
force one to breathe. But it takes carbon dioxide which makes the blood
acidic to trigger deeper breathing. Without the oxygen, you can't
produce enough carbon dioxide, without the carbon dioxide, you won't
breathe deeply enough to get the oxygen. So you are locked in to
shallow breathing. Or you might be doing Chaney Stokes(sp?) breathing, a
bunch of shallow breaths alternating with deeper breaths.
Once the carbon dioxide is there, one breathes deeply enough to get
more oxygen, and soon, as one's metabolism perks up, one is generating
enough carbon dioxide to maintain the deeper breathing.
And with that, "the lights turn on" in one's life.
By the way, carbon dioxide therapy was one way they improved the
mental condition of patients in the late 1800's or early 1900's. It has
limitations, and won't work anymore if the person is put in a high CO2
environment for too long. But occasional breaths of CO2 can do wonders
to restart respiration. I use it occasionally, maybe once or twice a
week. It made quite a difference.
And do get the B vitamins, particularly niacin.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 13:33:35 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon Jun 27 13:33:43 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD762E@pzisexch.poco.com>
Message-ID: <20050627203335.75065.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
RIGHT ON!
AS I LEARNED THE OTHER MORNING, TULSA HAS JUST
GOT A CODE OF ETHICS, AND I NEED TO FIND OUT
WHERE I CAN GET A COPY OF IT,,, UNLESS IT MAY
BE AVAILABLE HERE, ON THE INTERNET.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THIS CITY WOULD HAVE
ALREADY HAD SUCH A THING, AND I WAS UNAWARE
OF THE EXISTANCE OF CODES OF ETHICS FOR ALL
CITIES, UNTIL I HEARD ABOUT IT THE OTHER MORNING,
BEING TALKED ABOUT, ON THE MOST POPULAR
TALK RADIO STATION, HERE IN TULSA, NOW.
I'LL HAVE TO LOOK; BUT I'VE ONLY GOT 24 MINUTES
REMAINING ON MY TIME, HERE AT THE LIBRARY.
GOTTA GO.
CLYDE
"Moore, Frank" wrote:
There is a form of "Morality" that is devoid of most... Of not all...
Religious overtones.
It's called, ETHICS.
When I was in grade school... We had a part of each day when we were
instructed on Ethics and what it takes to be a good Citizen. That being
a good Citizen carried obligations in addition to the rights we enjoy.
This kind of teaching has been lost for a very long time in the Public
Schools, and "Modern" parents are not providing the kind of child
rearing in this regard that those of us over 50 received from ours.
I think returning instruction in Ethics and Citizenship to the Public
Schools... From at least 1st Grade (gotta start young) would be a great
beginning in turning things around.
Frank F. Moore
Project Scientist
Poco Graphite, Inc.
300 Old Greenwood Rd.
Decatur, TX 76234
Ph: 940-393-4360
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From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
[mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of Robert
Juliano
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:19 PM
To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] I've said it before, and I'll say it more.
Clyde,
I agree with you that this country needs to have people with a sense of
morals. I am unsure as to WHOSE morals I'd want all of us to follow.
(example: my wife is a pagan. Should she have to convert to
christianity? Should the rest of the US have to convert to electic
northern shamanism?)
One of the great strengths of this country is our diversity. While there
are a few things I want put up with (I am pretty much a New York
boy...), I pretty much have an attitude of live and let live.
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> I've said it before, and I'll say it more:
>
> This country needs drastic moral revival, and drastic changes for the
> better, in the financial and energy infrastructures.
> This country also needs to get out of
> communist crap worthless china too.
>
> Clyde
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Tue Jun 28 07:05:06 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD76AC@pzisexch.poco.com>
Hi Bob,
As one who was raised a very strict Catholic, but also eschewed
Christianity as I become more involved with Science as a teenager... I
appreciate your concerns regarding "Creeping Regilionism". Living in
Texas, as I do now, I see it every day in the battles for control of
local School Boards... and the insistence by many fundamentalists to
introduce the farcical concept of "Intelligent Design" into the
classrooms, as a counter to Evolution.
But as regards Ethics... I'm partial to what many people call "Secular
Humanism". I believe that most of the Ethical concepts therein can be
found in the teachings and writings of the great philosophers of Western
Civilization. Commencing with the Founders... Socrates; Plato;
Aristotle... progressing through Erasmus (granted, that he was also a
Theologian), Descartes; Rousseau... and on to Kant; Locke and a few
contemporaries whose names escape me at the moment (I need more coffee).
Now I will admit that this list is "Western" biases, but I've not taken
much time to explore "Eastern" philosophies very deeply. Although,
Ethical principles are also espoused by Siddhartha Gautama; Lou-Tze; and
other Eastern philosophers. And I would not preclude them from
incorporation into a more Universal curriculum. As you pointed out with
your examples... Most of the core principles of Ethics are at face,
quite simple. However... Their practice... and perhaps more
fundamentally... The societal rationale for embracing them... can
probably seem very alien to those who were not raised with them. The
state of the World today, and the behavior of a great number of people,
indicate that they were never imbued with these concepts... or for some
reason, later rejected them.
Frank F. Moore
-----Original Message-----
From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
[mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
] On Behalf Of Robert
Juliano
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:21 PM
To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
Moore, Frank,
I would agree with you that some sort of ethics class would be a good
idea. The question I still have wandering around in me head is whose
ethics?
Maybe it's being a lapsed (escaped) christian, but I am always looking
out for creeping religionism.
I would bet that most of us here would agree that free speech (with
perhaps an education on the consequences of speech [1]), fair dealings,
and maybe equality of opportunity (not full economic equity... work for
that
beemer!) are all values to teach children.
I would posit that perhaps helping out others, two-way loyalty (loyalty
is a two way street, otherwise it's slavery), a diversity are good
things to teach.
therein lies the problem. who gets to choose which values to teach? I
respect somebody's right to go to church, I just choose to not attend
church. I respect two people (or three, or four, factorial 5...)
deciding to get together and have "a quiet evening together." just don't
ask me to attend.
Bob
--- "Moore, Frank" wrote:
> There is a form of "Morality" that is devoid of most... Of not all...
> Religious overtones.
> It's called, ETHICS.
> When I was in grade school... We had a part of each day when we were
> instructed on Ethics and what it takes to be a good Citizen. That
> being a good Citizen carried obligations in addition to the rights we
> enjoy.
>
> This kind of teaching has been lost for a very long time in the Public
> Schools, and "Modern" parents are not providing the kind of child
> rearing in this regard that those of us over 50 received from ours.
>
> I think returning instruction in Ethics and Citizenship to the Public
> Schools... From at least 1st Grade (gotta start
> young) would be a great
> beginning in turning things around.
>
> Frank F. Moore
> Project Scientist
> Poco Graphite, Inc.
> 300 Old Greenwood Rd.
> Decatur, TX 76234
> Ph: 940-393-4360
> Fax: 940-393-8383
> FMoore@poco.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]
> On Behalf Of Robert
> Juliano
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:19 PM
> To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] I've said it before, and I'll say it
> more.
>
>
> Clyde,
>
> I agree with you that this country needs to have people with a sense
> of morals. I am unsure as to WHOSE morals I'd want all of us to
> follow.
> (example: my wife is a pagan. Should she have to convert to
> christianity? Should the rest of the US have to convert to electic
> northern shamanism?)
>
> One of the great strengths of this country is our diversity. While
> there are a few things I want put up with (I am pretty much a New York
> boy...), I pretty much have an attitude of live and let live.
>
> Bob
>
>
> --- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> >
> > I've said it before, and I'll say it more:
> >
> > This country needs drastic moral revival, and
> drastic changes for the
> > better, in the financial and energy
> infrastructures.
> > This country also needs to get out of communist crap worthless china
> > too.
> >
> > Clyde
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 07:32:33 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Tue Jun 28 07:32:44 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD76AC@pzisexch.poco.com>
Message-ID: <20050628143233.8920.qmail@web51915.mail.yahoo.com>
Hi Frank,
1.) I agree with you creeping religionism is getting
to be a problem. (I seem to remember a story about the
problem called "if this goes on..." by a certain
retired naval officer...)
2.) I like the pieces of secular humanism that I've
heard.
3.) One of the possible reasons for folks dropping
ethical statndard is the hypocrisy/needs/social trap
problem. Many people have to reconcile the hypocrisy
they see in some folks espousing an ethical system,
and then said espouser doing the opposite. That's got
to put a little bit of tarnish on the system in the
eyes ofthe non-hypocrite. telling a jobless person not
to steal, when some of the people casting the
judgement steal in a legal manner, has got to put some
tarnish on the ethical system in the eyes of the non
hypocrite. And then there's the problem/question of
social control. All social systems must have a set of
rules to keep the game running. without rules, we
rapidly have a system that falls apart. unfortunately,
social system have a nasty habit of being written by
those in power/written to allow one group to be in
power.
My wife calls this the "problem with lightning." Mad
Scientists have a habit of being somewhat outside of
the usual social system. Therefore, they are likely to
upset some in that social system. few social systems
are likely to "live and let live," as social systems
seem to feel a need to have things of a foreign nature
either linked to them in a comfortable manner, or
expelled. If a group decides to push the issue
(pitchforks and torches, lawyers and cops, disco and
counselors) what can the mad scientist do?
1.) attempt to become part of the community
2.) retreat further from the social system
3.) attempts at camoflague
4.) call down the lightnings
each of these options has its problems. therefore, the
problem of the lightnings... you may feel forced to
keep using the things that brand one a mad scientist
in the first place.
sorry for the length of this one...the caffeine's just
starting to hit...
Bob
--- "Moore, Frank" wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
> As one who was raised a very strict Catholic, but
> also eschewed Christianity as I become more involved
with Scienceas a teenager... I appreciate your
concerns regarding "Creeping Regilionism". Living in
Texas, as I do now, I see it every day in the battles
for control of local School Boards... and the
insistence by many
> fundamentalists to introduce the farcical concept of
"Intelligent Design" into the classrooms, as a counter
to Evolution.
>
> But as regards Ethics... I'm partial to what many
> people call "Secular Humanism". I believe that most
of the Ethical concepts therein can be found in the
teachings and writings of the great philosophers of
Western Civilization. Commencing with the Founders...
> Socrates; Plato; Aristotle... progressing through
Erasmus (granted, that he was also a Theologian),
Descartes; Rousseau... and on to Kant; Locke and a few
> contemporaries whose names escape me at the moment
> (I need more coffee).
>
> Now I will admit that this list is "Western" biases,
> but I've not taken much time to explore "Eastern"
philosophies very deeply. Although, Ethical
principles are also espoused by Siddhartha Gautama;
Lou-Tze; and
> other Eastern philosophers. And I would not
> preclude them from incorporation into a more
Universal curriculum. As you pointed out with
> your examples... Most of the core principles of
> Ethics are at face, quite simple. However... Their
practice... and perhaps more fundamentally... The
societal rationale for embracing them... can probably
seem very alien to those who were not raised with
them. The state of the World today, and the behavior
of a
> great number of people, indicate that they were
never imbued with these concepts... or for some
reason, later rejected them.
>
> Frank F. Moore
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> ]
> On Behalf Of Robert
> Juliano
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:21 PM
> To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
>
>
> Moore, Frank,
>
> I would agree with you that some sort of ethics
> class would be a good
> idea. The question I still have wandering around in
> me head is whose
> ethics?
>
> Maybe it's being a lapsed (escaped) christian, but I
> am always looking
> out for creeping religionism.
>
> I would bet that most of us here would agree that
> free speech (with
> perhaps an education on the consequences of speech
> [1]), fair dealings,
> and maybe equality of opportunity (not full economic
> equity... work for
> that
> beemer!) are all values to teach children.
>
> I would posit that perhaps helping out others,
> two-way loyalty (loyalty
> is a two way street, otherwise it's slavery), a
> diversity are good
> things to teach.
>
> therein lies the problem. who gets to choose which
> values to teach? I
> respect somebody's right to go to church, I just
> choose to not attend
> church. I respect two people (or three, or four,
> factorial 5...)
> deciding to get together and have "a quiet evening
> together." just don't
> ask me to attend.
>
> Bob
>
> --- "Moore, Frank" wrote:
>
> > There is a form of "Morality" that is devoid of
> most... Of not all...
> > Religious overtones.
> > It's called, ETHICS.
> > When I was in grade school... We had a part of
> each day when we were
> > instructed on Ethics and what it takes to be a
> good Citizen. That
> > being a good Citizen carried obligations in
> addition to the rights we
> > enjoy.
> >
> > This kind of teaching has been lost for a very
> long time in the Public
> > Schools, and "Modern" parents are not providing
> the kind of child
> > rearing in this regard that those of us over 50
> received from ours.
> >
> > I think returning instruction in Ethics and
> Citizenship to the Public
> > Schools... From at least 1st Grade (gotta start
> > young) would be a great
> > beginning in turning things around.
> >
> > Frank F. Moore
> > Project Scientist
> > Poco Graphite, Inc.
> > 300 Old Greenwood Rd.
> > Decatur, TX 76234
> > Ph: 940-393-4360
> > Fax: 940-393-8383
> > FMoore@poco.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]
> > On Behalf Of Robert
> > Juliano
> > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:19 PM
> > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] I've said it before,
> and I'll say it
> > more.
> >
> >
> > Clyde,
> >
> > I agree with you that this country needs to have
> people with a sense
> > of morals. I am unsure as to WHOSE morals I'd want
> all of us to
> > follow.
> > (example: my wife is a pagan. Should she have to
> convert to
> > christianity? Should the rest of the US have to
> convert to electic
> > northern shamanism?)
> >
> > One of the great strengths of this country is our
> diversity. While
> > there are a few things I want put up with (I am
> pretty much a New York
> > boy...), I pretty much have an attitude of live
> and let live.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > --- clyde lofton wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I've said it before, and I'll say it more:
> > >
> > > This country needs drastic moral revival, and
> > drastic changes for the
> > > better, in the financial and energy
> > infrastructures.
> > > This country also needs to get out of communist
> crap worthless china
> > > too.
> > >
> > > Clyde
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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From FMoore at POCO.com Tue Jun 28 08:37:31 2005
From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Tue Jun 28 08:37:37 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD76EC@pzisexch.poco.com>
Won't get any arguments from me, Bob. I fully agree with your point #3.
It can be frustratingly difficult to hold to one's principles, when the
gains made by unscrupulous, unethical, people are glaringly obvious.
And then to see these same people so often admired, only adds to the
insult. One needs to find a personal, esoteric, satisfaction in the
practice and exercise of ethical principles. This is very easy for me
to say, as I'm and old bachelor. I don't encounter the tribulations of
family life. And I must say that, while not exactly anti-social... I do
have strong reclusive tendencies at times. Anyway...
I was doing a little Googling and came upon a Website that might
interest anyone curious about Secular Humanism:
http://www.secularhumanism.org/
Frank F. Moore
-----Original Message-----
From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
[mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG] On Behalf Of Robert
Juliano
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:33 AM
To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List
Subject: RE: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
Hi Frank,
1.) I agree with you creeping religionism is getting to be a problem. (I
seem to remember a story about the problem called "if this goes on..."
by a certain retired naval officer...)
2.) I like the pieces of secular humanism that I've heard.
3.) One of the possible reasons for folks dropping ethical statndard is
the hypocrisy/needs/social trap problem. Many people have to reconcile
the hypocrisy they see in some folks espousing an ethical system, and
then said espouser doing the opposite. That's got to put a little bit of
tarnish on the system in the eyes ofthe non-hypocrite. telling a jobless
person not to steal, when some of the people casting the judgement steal
in a legal manner, has got to put some tarnish on the ethical system in
the eyes of the non hypocrite. And then there's the problem/question of
social control. All social systems must have a set of rules to keep the
game running. without rules, we rapidly have a system that falls apart.
unfortunately, social system have a nasty habit of being written by
those in power/written to allow one group to be in power.
My wife calls this the "problem with lightning." Mad Scientists have a
habit of being somewhat outside of the usual social system. Therefore,
they are likely to upset some in that social system. few social systems
are likely to "live and let live," as social systems seem to feel a need
to have things of a foreign nature either linked to them in a
comfortable manner, or expelled. If a group decides to push the issue
(pitchforks and torches, lawyers and cops, disco and
counselors) what can the mad scientist do?
1.) attempt to become part of the community
2.) retreat further from the social system
3.) attempts at camoflague
4.) call down the lightnings
each of these options has its problems. therefore, the problem of the
lightnings... you may feel forced to keep using the things that brand
one a mad scientist in the first place.
sorry for the length of this one...the caffeine's just starting to
hit...
Bob
--- "Moore, Frank" wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
> As one who was raised a very strict Catholic, but also eschewed
> Christianity as I become more involved
with Scienceas a teenager... I appreciate your concerns regarding
"Creeping Regilionism". Living in Texas, as I do now, I see it every
day in the battles for control of local School Boards... and the
insistence by many
> fundamentalists to introduce the farcical concept of
"Intelligent Design" into the classrooms, as a counter to Evolution.
>
> But as regards Ethics... I'm partial to what many people call
> "Secular Humanism". I believe that most
of the Ethical concepts therein can be found in the teachings and
writings of the great philosophers of Western Civilization. Commencing
with the Founders...
> Socrates; Plato; Aristotle... progressing through
Erasmus (granted, that he was also a Theologian), Descartes; Rousseau...
and on to Kant; Locke and a few
> contemporaries whose names escape me at the moment (I need more
> coffee).
>
> Now I will admit that this list is "Western" biases, but I've not
> taken much time to explore "Eastern"
philosophies very deeply. Although, Ethical principles are also
espoused by Siddhartha Gautama; Lou-Tze; and
> other Eastern philosophers. And I would not preclude them from
> incorporation into a more
Universal curriculum. As you pointed out with
> your examples... Most of the core principles of Ethics are at face,
> quite simple. However... Their
practice... and perhaps more fundamentally... The societal rationale for
embracing them... can probably seem very alien to those who were not
raised with them. The state of the World today, and the behavior of a
> great number of people, indicate that they were
never imbued with these concepts... or for some
reason, later rejected them.
>
> Frank F. Moore
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> ] On Behalf Of
> Robert Juliano
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:21 PM
> To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
>
>
> Moore, Frank,
>
> I would agree with you that some sort of ethics class would be a good
> idea. The question I still have wandering around in me head is whose
> ethics?
>
> Maybe it's being a lapsed (escaped) christian, but I am always looking
> out for creeping religionism.
>
> I would bet that most of us here would agree that free speech (with
> perhaps an education on the consequences of speech [1]), fair
> dealings, and maybe equality of opportunity (not full economic
> equity... work for that
> beemer!) are all values to teach children.
>
> I would posit that perhaps helping out others, two-way loyalty
> (loyalty is a two way street, otherwise it's slavery), a diversity are
> good things to teach.
>
> therein lies the problem. who gets to choose which values to teach? I
> respect somebody's right to go to church, I just choose to not attend
> church. I respect two people (or three, or four, factorial 5...)
> deciding to get together and have "a quiet evening together." just
> don't ask me to attend.
>
> Bob
>
> --- "Moore, Frank" wrote:
>
> > There is a form of "Morality" that is devoid of
> most... Of not all...
> > Religious overtones.
> > It's called, ETHICS.
> > When I was in grade school... We had a part of
> each day when we were
> > instructed on Ethics and what it takes to be a
> good Citizen. That
> > being a good Citizen carried obligations in
> addition to the rights we
> > enjoy.
> >
> > This kind of teaching has been lost for a very
> long time in the Public
> > Schools, and "Modern" parents are not providing
> the kind of child
> > rearing in this regard that those of us over 50
> received from ours.
> >
> > I think returning instruction in Ethics and
> Citizenship to the Public
> > Schools... From at least 1st Grade (gotta start
> > young) would be a great
> > beginning in turning things around.
> >
> > Frank F. Moore
> > Project Scientist
> > Poco Graphite, Inc.
> > 300 Old Greenwood Rd.
> > Decatur, TX 76234
> > Ph: 940-393-4360
> > Fax: 940-393-8383
> > FMoore@poco.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> > [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]
> > On Behalf Of Robert
> > Juliano
> > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:19 PM
> > To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] I've said it before,
> and I'll say it
> > more.
> >
> >
> > Clyde,
> >
> > I agree with you that this country needs to have
> people with a sense
> > of morals. I am unsure as to WHOSE morals I'd want
> all of us to
> > follow.
> > (example: my wife is a pagan. Should she have to
> convert to
> > christianity? Should the rest of the US have to
> convert to electic
> > northern shamanism?)
> >
> > One of the great strengths of this country is our
> diversity. While
> > there are a few things I want put up with (I am
> pretty much a New York
> > boy...), I pretty much have an attitude of live
> and let live.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > --- clyde lofton wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I've said it before, and I'll say it more:
> > >
> > > This country needs drastic moral revival, and
> > drastic changes for the
> > > better, in the financial and energy
> > infrastructures.
> > > This country also needs to get out of communist
> crap worthless china
> > > too.
> > >
> > > Clyde
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Jun 28 10:26:30 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Jun 28 10:26:34 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
In-Reply-To: <20050628143233.8920.qmail@web51915.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at Jun 28, 2005 07:32:33 AM
Message-ID: <20050628172630.17914.qmail@mall-net.com>
> 1.) I agree with you creeping religionism is getting
> to be a problem. (I seem to remember a story about the
> problem called "if this goes on..." by a certain
> retired naval officer...)
The real problem is the creeps in religion, not the creep of
religion.
The nice thing about catholicism, is that there is a larger
hierarchy to filter out the creeps than in paganism. ("Hey, babe,
you're poifict for The Great Rite!")
> eyes ofthe non-hypocrite. telling a jobless person not
> to steal, when some of the people casting the
> judgement steal in a legal manner, has got to put some
> tarnish on the ethical system in the eyes of the non
> hypocrite. And then there's the problem/question of
Yes indeed!
But they teach religion and ethics from the wrong perspective.
Religion is but a license to lie "so as to tell the greater truth."
You steel this apple, and God Knows! Bad things will happen!
As in, "Ask for a sign"; the oldest con in the book. Vs the
"midnight knock on the door."
You steal this apple, and you will always be afraid someone will
retaliate. When evil befalls you, you will wonder if it was because of
that apple. And with that, your judgement will be clouded with fear,
and will not pursue good things, like flagging down a farm truck for a
ride, for fear of being pushed off them for your theft of the apple.
> social control. All social systems must have a set of
> rules to keep the game running. without rules, we
> rapidly have a system that falls apart. unfortunately,
> social system have a nasty habit of being written by
> those in power/written to allow one group to be in
> power.
So? Social evolution. They followed a set of principles which
enabled them to reach power. They will tend to favor those principles,
and if not too draconian, those who use them.
Simulations show that "do unto others", though slow to start, wins
in the end. Though the real winner is "do unto others... but if they
cheat, cheat back."
> My wife calls this the "problem with lightning." Mad
> Scientists have a habit of being somewhat outside of
> the usual social system. Therefore, they are likely to
> upset some in that social system. few social systems
> are likely to "live and let live," as social systems
> seem to feel a need to have things of a foreign nature
> either linked to them in a comfortable manner, or
> expelled. If a group decides to push the issue
> (pitchforks and torches, lawyers and cops, disco and
> counselors) what can the mad scientist do?
>
> 1.) attempt to become part of the community
> 2.) retreat further from the social system
> 3.) attempts at camoflague
> 4.) call down the lightnings
>
> each of these options has its problems. therefore, the
> problem of the lightnings... you may feel forced to
> keep using the things that brand one a mad scientist
> in the first place.
Would that were so!!!
Arthur Clarke was wrong when he spoke of witchcraft and technology.
You can tell technology because the principles of any technology are
rapidly reflected throughout the civilization. I mean, we computer folks
were witches in the 70's. Now everyone has a computer.
> Texas, as I do now, I see it every day in the battles
> for control of local School Boards... and the
> insistence by many
> > fundamentalists to introduce the farcical concept of
> "Intelligent Design" into the classrooms, as a counter
> to Evolution.
Intelligent design... Ooo boy... Tell me, why do we have
appendixes? Why do we have to have our tonsils removed? Why do we grow
bald?
And the clincher, damnation for sure, If priests are the favorite
of God, why do priests live no longer than most people? If Pope john
Paul was such a wonderful character and did so much for this world, why
did he end up with Parkinson's, and why did he die? Same for Mother
Teresa.
Or the question that got my father kicked out of church, "Can god
create a stone so large that he can not move it?"
My father is a devout agnostic. He knows he does not know, and
does not believe anyone else can know either.
> > therein lies the problem. who gets to choose which
> > values to teach? I
Why, evolution, my boy! Them's as survives long enough, gets to
teach. Ah is older than you, boy; so's you gots to pays my attention.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Jun 28 10:42:14 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Jun 28 10:42:18 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD76AC@pzisexch.poco.com> from
"Moore, Frank" at Jun 28, 2005 09:04:56 AM
Message-ID: <20050628174214.32088.qmail@mall-net.com>
> But as regards Ethics... I'm partial to what many people call "Secular
> Humanism". I believe that most of the Ethical concepts therein can be
> found in the teachings and writings of the great philosophers of Western
> Civilization. Commencing with the Founders... Socrates; Plato;
> Aristotle... progressing through Erasmus (granted, that he was also a
> Theologian), Descartes; Rousseau... and on to Kant; Locke and a few
> contemporaries whose names escape me at the moment (I need more coffee).
Are we God?
Is some fundamental interconnected "spirit of humanity", Jung's (or
was it Freud's) universal subconscious, God?
Humans need hope. God, whether "God" exists or not, offers hope.
It is hope which kindles survival.
My father had a really bad saying, "Hope is the mother of fools."
But in experiments with mice, hope helps them survive. The setting is a
vat of water in which mice were dropped and timed till they drowned.
If the mouse was given some underwater platform to stand on the first
time it was dropped in the vat, then the second time that mouse tried to
swim and look for the platform twice as long as mice which had not found
the platform. The hope of finding that platform kept them alive twice
as long.
> Now I will admit that this list is "Western" biases, but I've not taken
> much time to explore "Eastern" philosophies very deeply. Although,
> Ethical principles are also espoused by Siddhartha Gautama; Lou-Tze; and
> other Eastern philosophers. And I would not preclude them from
Much of Eastern philosophy seems to be about getting along, about
NOT competing, about NOT making the most of yourself that you can.
This is why I favor Athena, Goddess of Wisdom. She shared what she
knew. Hecate hid what she knew, used it for hidden power and mystic
control. Athena, by sharing knowledge about olive oil, ceramics, the
horse bridle, and many, many other things, kindled this Western
Civilization. For that, I thank her.
Athena calls upon us to be what we can be, and to share what we
learn, that our next lives, ALL of our next lives, be better. That was
what I learned in Her Temple many lives ago. And it is that lesson that
we all stand on in this Western Civilization today.
-J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com --------------- www.mall-net.com/javilk/
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----- After all, we wouldn't want her to cancel the show, would we? ------
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From FMoore at POCO.com Tue Jun 28 12:15:54 2005
From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Tue Jun 28 12:16:02 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD7743@pzisexch.poco.com>
>>>Are we God?
Is some fundamental interconnected "spirit of humanity", Jung's (or
was it Freud's) universal subconscious, God?
Humans need hope. God, whether "God" exists or not, offers hope.
It is hope which kindles survival.<<<
I don't need belief in a god in order to have Hope and strive for a
better Future. While I do believe that there is other intelligent life
in the universe... For all we know, or may EVER know... Humans are the
only sentient life form. That alone, should act as a basis to make us
want to do everything we can to make certain that Humanity continues on
into the Future. Part of this, IMO, includes sensible stewardship of
our planet and its environment, in order to maintain its productivity.
Common civility and equitable relationships between people is another.
Only through Ethical dealings... either individually or though
governmental interactions... can we hope to achieve a peace and
prosperity that will ensure continuance and perhaps allow us to move
beyond this planet. I don't deny anyone their belief in a God... and
I'm not quite an Atheist. My point is that, this belief is not required
in order to be an Ethical, Altruistic person and good Citizen.
>>>But in experiments with mice, hope helps them survive. The
setting is a vat of water in which mice were dropped and timed till they
drowned.
If the mouse was given some underwater platform to stand on the first
time it was dropped in the vat, then the second time that mouse tried to
swim and look for the platform twice as long as mice which had not found
the platform. The hope of finding that platform kept them alive twice
as long.<<<
I've read of that experiment, and it is interesting. However... Mice
are not sentient. Nor do they have the ability to reason and dream.
Dreams may be another aspect of Hope... But I can dream of a future for
Humanity without requiring God.
I may an oddball... But I take myself as an example. I have no progeny.
Why do I care about the sad state of Public Education in the US? For
the same reasons I'm concerned about the original topic of this Thread.
Because it jeopardizes the future and those who will live in it.
>>>Much of Eastern philosophy seems to be about getting along, about NOT
competing, about NOT making the most of yourself that you can.<<<
True enough. But there are aspect of Eastern philosophy that would
combine well with an overall curriculum in Ethics. That was my point.
That it need not be solely "Western" based. Indeed... The Ancient
Greeks provided the core aspects of Western Thought... Mathematics;
Logic; Objective Scientific Inquiry... that lead to the modern world.
Frank F. Moore
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To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG
Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
> But as regards Ethics... I'm partial to what many people call
> "Secular Humanism". I believe that most of the Ethical concepts
> therein can be found in the teachings and writings of the great
> philosophers of Western Civilization. Commencing with the Founders...
> Socrates; Plato; Aristotle... progressing through Erasmus (granted,
> that he was also a Theologian), Descartes; Rousseau... and on to Kant;
> Locke and a few contemporaries whose names escape me at the moment (I
need more coffee).
Are we God?
Is some fundamental interconnected "spirit of humanity", Jung's (or
was it Freud's) universal subconscious, God?
Humans need hope. God, whether "God" exists or not, offers hope.
It is hope which kindles survival.
My father had a really bad saying, "Hope is the mother of fools."
But in experiments with mice, hope helps them survive. The setting is a
vat of water in which mice were dropped and timed till they drowned.
If the mouse was given some underwater platform to stand on the first
time it was dropped in the vat, then the second time that mouse tried to
swim and look for the platform twice as long as mice which had not found
the platform. The hope of finding that platform kept them alive twice
as long.
> Now I will admit that this list is "Western" biases, but I've not
> taken much time to explore "Eastern" philosophies very deeply.
> Although, Ethical principles are also espoused by Siddhartha Gautama;
> Lou-Tze; and other Eastern philosophers. And I would not preclude
> them from
Much of Eastern philosophy seems to be about getting along, about
NOT competing, about NOT making the most of yourself that you can.
This is why I favor Athena, Goddess of Wisdom. She shared what she
knew. Hecate hid what she knew, used it for hidden power and mystic
control. Athena, by sharing knowledge about olive oil, ceramics, the
horse bridle, and many, many other things, kindled this Western
Civilization. For that, I thank her.
Athena calls upon us to be what we can be, and to share what we
learn, that our next lives, ALL of our next lives, be better. That was
what I learned in Her Temple many lives ago. And it is that lesson that
we all stand on in this Western Civilization today.
-J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ---------------
www.mall-net.com/javilk/
----- Laugh at yourself, The Goddess loves company -- and You!
-----------
----- After all, we wouldn't want her to cancel the show, would we?
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 14:02:46 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Jun 28 14:02:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
In-Reply-To: <20050628172630.17914.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050628210246.52873.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> 1.) I agree with you creeping religionism is getting
> to be a problem. (I seem to remember a story about the
> problem called "if this goes on..." by a certain
> retired naval officer...)
The real problem is the creeps in religion, not the creep of
religion.
The nice thing about catholicism, is that there is a larger
hierarchy to filter out the creeps than in paganism. ("Hey, babe,
you're poifict for The Great Rite!")
WITHOUT GETTING INTO CONSPIRACY THEORY SHIT, I JUST RAISE THE
QUESTION: COULD THERE BE LINKS BETWEEN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
THE MAFIA, FREEMASONRY, THE KU KLUX KLAN, COMMUNIST RUSSIA,
AND J.F.K.'S ASSASINATION?
> eyes ofthe non-hypocrite. telling a jobless person not
> to steal, when some of the people casting the
> judgement steal in a legal manner, has got to put some
> tarnish on the ethical system in the eyes of the non
> hypocrite. And then there's the problem/question of
Yes indeed!
HERESY IS THE OUTCOME OF HYPOCRISY.
But they teach religion and ethics from the wrong perspective.
Religion is but a license to lie "so as to tell the greater truth."
You steel this apple, and God Knows! Bad things will happen!
As in, "Ask for a sign"; the oldest con in the book. Vs the
"midnight knock on the door."
You steal this apple, and you will always be afraid someone will
retaliate. When evil befalls you, you will wonder if it was because of
that apple. And with that, your judgement will be clouded with fear,
and will not pursue good things, like flagging down a farm truck for a
ride, for fear of being pushed off them for your theft of the apple.
> social control. All social systems must have a set of
> rules to keep the game running. without rules, we
> rapidly have a system that falls apart. unfortunately,
> social system have a nasty habit of being written by
> those in power/written to allow one group to be in
> power.
So? Social evolution. They followed a set of principles which
enabled them to reach power. They will tend to favor those principles,
and if not too draconian, those who use them.
Simulations show that "do unto others", though slow to start, wins
in the end. Though the real winner is "do unto others... but if they
cheat, cheat back."
> My wife calls this the "problem with lightning." Mad
> Scientists have a habit of being somewhat outside of
> the usual social system. Therefore, they are likely to
> upset some in that social system. few social systems
> are likely to "live and let live," as social systems
> seem to feel a need to have things of a foreign nature
> either linked to them in a comfortable manner, or
> expelled. If a group decides to push the issue
> (pitchforks and torches, lawyers and cops, disco and
> counselors) what can the mad scientist do?
>
> 1.) attempt to become part of the community
> 2.) retreat further from the social system
> 3.) attempts at camoflague
> 4.) call down the lightnings
>
> each of these options has its problems. therefore, the
> problem of the lightnings... you may feel forced to
> keep using the things that brand one a mad scientist
> in the first place.
Would that were so!!!
Arthur Clarke was wrong when he spoke of witchcraft and technology.
You can tell technology because the principles of any technology are
rapidly reflected throughout the civilization. I mean, we computer folks
were witches in the 70's. Now everyone has a computer.
> Texas, as I do now, I see it every day in the battles
> for control of local School Boards... and the
> insistence by many
> > fundamentalists to introduce the farcical concept of
> "Intelligent Design" into the classrooms, as a counter
> to Evolution.
Intelligent design... Ooo boy... Tell me, why do we have
appendixes? Why do we have to have our tonsils removed? Why do we grow
bald?
DAMN STRAIGHT!
And the clincher, damnation for sure, If priests are the favorite
of God, why do priests live no longer than most people? If Pope john
Paul was such a wonderful character and did so much for this world, why
did he end up with Parkinson's, and why did he die? Same for Mother
Teresa.
I'VE GOT CONTROVERSIAL WORDS THAT I COULD ADD HERE, BUT.....
Or the question that got my father kicked out of church, "Can god
create a stone so large that he can not move it?"
My father is a devout agnostic. He knows he does not know, and
does not believe anyone else can know either.
> > therein lies the problem. who gets to choose which
> > values to teach? I
Why, evolution, my boy! Them's as survives long enough, gets to
teach. Ah is older than you, boy; so's you gots to pays my attention.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Jun 28 14:15:35 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Supreme Contempt for 5th Amendment
In-Reply-To:
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LANCASTER, PA: In the case of Kelo v. City of New London 04 - 108, the Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 that a city may seize private homes and use the land for an economic revitalization project provided the city pays the homeowners ??just compensation??
We, in the Constitution Party, believe that the right to own private property is fundamental to civilization, and that every citizen has a natural right to own, control, and dispose of his or her property.
A person??s home and private property serves as the basis for liberty because without personal economic power (a home, a job, the right to accumulate property), a person cannot support himself or his or her family and is therefore at the mercy of government control.
Government taking a person??s property and delivering it to another private party in order to enhance the government??s tax revenue is disgusting behavior. Simply put, tax revenue for government is now more important than a person??s home.
The Constitution Party hereby expresses its opposition to this radical departure from centuries of American history and calls on the court to reverse its decision.
The Constitution Party is the only national political party with a strong stand on moral, economic and constitutional issues. The Constitution Party is working to restore government to its vital, yet limited, constitutionally defined role. The Party advocates less government spending, regulation, gun control, and taxes, and is committed to the protection of life, liberty, and property. For more information contact Darrell Castle at 901-624-3884.
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From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Tue Jun 28 14:33:41 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Supreme Contempt for 5th Amendment
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD7780@pzisexch.poco.com>
AGREED!!
I posted about this at several Internet Bulletin Boards. Horrible decision. Now all big developers need to do is approach local governments with inflated promises of jobs and increased tax revenues... and the government can confiscate a person's property (at "fair market value", of course :-/ ) via Eminent Domain, for "The Public Good". BS!!!
Frank F. Moore
________________________________
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To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@MAD-SCIENTISTS.ORG
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Supreme Contempt for 5th Amendment
Constitution Party National Committee wrote:
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT:
JUNE 27, 2005 DARRELL CASTLE 901-624-3884
CONSTITUTION PARTY OPPOSES THE RECENT SUPREME COURT DECISION ALLOWING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO SEIZE PEOPLE??S HOMES AND BUSINESSES AGAINST THEIR WILL FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT
LANCASTER, PA: In the case of Kelo v. City of New London 04 - 108, the Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 that a city may seize private homes and use the land for an economic revitalization project provided the city pays the homeowners ??just compensation??
We, in the Constitution Party, believe that the right to own private property is fundamental to civilization, and that every citizen has a natural right to own, control, and dispose of his or her property.
A person??s home and private property serves as the basis for liberty because without personal economic power (a home, a job, the right to accumulate property), a person cannot support himself or his or her family and is therefore at the mercy of government control.
Government taking a person??s property and delivering it to another private party in order to enhance the government??s tax revenue is disgusting behavior. Simply put, tax revenue for government is now more important than a person??s home.
The Constitution Party hereby expresses its opposition to this radical departure from centuries of American history and calls on the court to reverse its decision.
The Constitution Party is the only national political party with a strong stand on moral, economic and constitutional issues. The Constitution Party is working to restore government to its vital, yet limited, constitutionally defined role. The Party advocates less government spending, regulation, gun control, and taxes, and is committed to the protection of life, liberty, and property. For more information contact Darrell Castle at 901-624-3884.
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue Jun 28 14:37:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Supreme Contempt for 5th Amendment
In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD7780@pzisexch.poco.com>
Message-ID: <20050628213752.6265.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
COMMUNIST DOMAIN!
I HATE THAT SHIT.
I DON'T SEE ANY HOPE FOR THE FUTURE
OF THIS COMMUNIST CHINESE FUCKED
COUNTRY, WITH THE SELLOUT TO IRAQ.
I GOTTA GO.
CLYDE
"Moore, Frank" wrote:
AGREED!!
I posted about this at several Internet Bulletin Boards. Horrible decision. Now all big developers need to do is approach local governments with inflated promises of jobs and increased tax revenues... and the government can confiscate a person's property (at "fair market value", of course :-/ ) via Eminent Domain, for "The Public Good". BS!!!
Frank F. Moore
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Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:15 PM
To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@MAD-SCIENTISTS.ORG
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Supreme Contempt for 5th Amendment
Constitution Party National Committee wrote: 23 North Lime Street
Lancaster, PA 17602
contactus@constitutionparty.org
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JUNE 27, 2005 DARRELL CASTLE 901-624-3884
CONSTITUTION PARTY OPPOSES THE RECENT SUPREME COURT DECISION ALLOWING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO SEIZE PEOPLE??S HOMES AND BUSINESSES AGAINST THEIR WILL FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT
LANCASTER, PA: In the case of Kelo v. City of New London 04 - 108, the Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 that a city may seize private homes and use the land for an economic revitalization project provided the city pays the homeowners ??just compensation??
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Jun 28 15:13:11 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
In-Reply-To: <20050628210246.52873.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 28, 2005 02:02:46 PM
Message-ID: <20050628221258.39010.qmail@mall-net.com>
> The real problem is the creeps in religion, not the creep of
> religion.
>
> The nice thing about catholicism, is that there is a larger
> hierarchy to filter out the creeps than in paganism. ("Hey, babe,
> you're poifict for The Great Rite!")
>
>
> WITHOUT GETTING INTO CONSPIRACY THEORY SHIT, I JUST RAISE THE
> QUESTION: COULD THERE BE LINKS BETWEEN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
> THE MAFIA, FREEMASONRY, THE KU KLUX KLAN, COMMUNIST RUSSIA,
> AND J.F.K.'S ASSASINATION?
Well, many of those people did attend the church... But plotting
and planning... far less likely. Though there were rumors and some
investigation regarding some odd ties between the mafia and the Catholic
Church's financial division.
As to the KKK, I thought they were against the Catholics. Oswald
was shopping around for support for his "project".
He may well have approached the communists and the KKK; but any
reasonable sized hierarchy is going to have enough people who realize
that it is suicidal to have ties with someone capable of carrying out
such a project.
Whether the man is caught or not, the heat is going to be on for
ANY ORGANIZATION even remotely suspect of supporting the perpetrator or
opposing the victim. Such organizations be at risk of very serious
investigation; disrupting everyone and publicizing many links that people
really don't want made public.
With or without an investigation, the larger effect would be from
the huge tide of public opinion rising against them. Organizations
like the KKK, Communists, even the church are dependent upon
contributions and recruitment of new blood, QUALITY new blood.
As public opinion rises against an organization, people don't want
to be found out to be supporting the organization. This is especially
true for those who are in retail or public office, and so rely on the
opinions of the average person. One of the rules the SBA teaches in
their small business management classes, is that in retail, showing
favoritism for politics or religion turns away more people than it
draws.
Also, the quality of the recruits drops substantially. Only the
more defiant, the hotter heads, and those who have been marginalized
will seek membership because they have little to nothing to lose.
Indeed, most of them hope to find opportunities and support in a group
which themselves needs more support.
So the bottom line is that larger groups tend to be less likely to
engage in activities substantially and noticeably contrary to the general
beliefs of the society they are a part of.
With that, you look to small cliques having more radical views, as
well as covert support from other nations hoping to gain from general
unrest and a disruption of the orderly process of government.
In the JFK/Oswald case, the KGB is slightly suspect; though such
blatant ties back to the USSR (visits, wife, etc.) make support highly
unlikely.
Far more likely, would be the Martin Luther King/Galt case, where
they would hope that resulting riots, etc. would substantially disrupt
the USA. And there is some circumstantial evidence based upon the
nature of tradecraft to suggest such a link.
Also some evidence that the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul
was gently pushed by the KGB, more in the lines of finding a crazy whom
they could anonymously suggest things to. But again, hard links are
very hard to find. I mean, these are professional spooks with decades
of training, not some random folks overcome by A Big Idea.
> > eyes ofthe non-hypocrite. telling a jobless person not
> > to steal, when some of the people casting the
> > judgement steal in a legal manner, has got to put some
> > tarnish on the ethical system in the eyes of the non
> > hypocrite. And then there's the problem/question of
> HERESY IS THE OUTCOME OF HYPOCRISY.
Not necessarily. Dogma is often hypocritical, not well tied to
reality.
Remember: Poor marketeers defy reality. Great marketeers define
reality. (Or some consensual but delusional approximation thereof.)
Religion is ALL marketing! (Recruitment, solicitation of
donations, convincing people to follow dogma, etc.)
> And the clincher, damnation for sure, If priests are the favorite
> of God, why do priests live no longer than most people? If Pope john
> Paul was such a wonderful character and did so much for this world, why
> did he end up with Parkinson's, and why did he die? Same for Mother
> Teresa.
>
> I'VE GOT CONTROVERSIAL WORDS THAT I COULD ADD HERE, BUT.....
???
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Jun 28 15:17:31 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Jun 28 15:17:35 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Supreme Contempt for 5th Amendment
In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD7780@pzisexch.poco.com> from
"Moore, Frank" at Jun 28, 2005 04:32:13 PM
Message-ID: <20050628221731.41360.qmail@mall-net.com>
> AGREED!!
> I posted about this at several Internet Bulletin Boards. Horrible =
> decision. Now all big developers need to do is approach local =
> governments with inflated promises of jobs and increased tax revenues... =
> and the government can confiscate a person's property (at "fair market =
> value", of course :-/ ) via Eminent Domain, for "The Public Good". =
> BS!!!
True. But it's not going to take off half as much as many of us
fear, beacause we elect those local polychickens, and we can throw them
out of office. Remember, they are chicken when it comes to our vote.
I predict that many places will come up to the wire to pass
legislation limiting such actions. Some of that is already underway.
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Jun 28 15:29:20 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Tue Jun 28 15:29:32 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Supreme Court destroys Bill of Rights!
Message-ID: <000c01c57c30$d4af2650$6401a8c0@mikey>
In the past week, not only did the Supreme Court invalidate the last clause
of Amendment V by speciously extending the doctrine of "eminent domain" to
include Government seizure of private property for tertiary public benefit,
e.g. "increasing the tax base by private investment," they ALSO did the
following:
Invalidated the second clause of Amendment I, which previously denied the
Government the ability to "prohibit the free exercise of religion," by
denying States the right to post the Ten Commandments in certain public
places,
Invalidated the third clause of Amendment I, which previously denied the
Government to "abridge the Freedom of the Press" in two ways- 1) refusing to
hear the arguments of two incarcerated reporters, in jail for protecting
their confidential sources, and 2) enabling lawsuits against Grokster for
providing a tool that has been used to violate copyright law.
Invalidated the fourth clause of Amendment I, which previously denied the
government the ability to abridge the freedom of Speech, by ruling that
cable companies providing broadband internet access are NOT communication
companies,
Invalidated the Postal Roads clause of the Constitution with the same
decision- the Internet was originally built for public use with public
monies- now ISP's may use it for private profit.
Further, an extension of the Grokster decision would mean that if I take a
chef's knife made by Chicago Cutlery to murder someone, Chicago Cutlery
would be responsible- as they provided the tool I used! Follow the logic-
Amendment II is the NEXT to fall! The precedent was set yesterday by the
Grokster decision. If the TOOL can be held liable for the crime, than
ANYTHING can be illegal!
Amendment II was written by our Founding Fathers as the ultimate guarantee
against tyrants- this is why it is IMPERATIVE that it be eviscerated by the
Court! The Grokster decision is but the next step in that process.
We now live in a totalitarian, Socialist oligopoly. And all history has how
us who are the FIRST to die in the ovens and concentration camps of such a
regime- the intelligentsia. Our days are numbered in this country. We will
soon find ourselves dragged from bed by jack-booted Nazi blackshirts, and
erased.
Unless we take our considerable abilities, and bring them to bear on these
assaults on Liberty, we will soon be exterminated like so many cockroaches.
Our top priority should be to organize a resistance movement among the
sheep, before we are all led to the Schlachthaus!
Now I must run from the black helicopters.
-MB
From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Jun 28 16:08:14 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Jun 28 16:08:17 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Supreme Court destroys Bill of Rights!
In-Reply-To: <000c01c57c30$d4af2650$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Jun
28, 2005 06:29:20 PM
Message-ID: <20050628230814.73942.qmail@mall-net.com>
Interesting, if somewhat hot headed post.
> In the past week, not only did the Supreme Court invalidate the last =
> clause of Amendment V by speciously extending the doctrine of "eminent domain" =
> to
> include Government seizure of private property for tertiary public =
> benefit,
> e.g. "increasing the tax base by private investment," they ALSO did the
> following:
This I do object to. But just because of one ruling, it does not
follow that others will go the same way.
> Invalidated the second clause of Amendment I, which previously denied =
> the
> Government the ability to "prohibit the free exercise of religion," by
> denying States the right to post the Ten Commandments in certain public
> places,
I think not. I think the government is ruling that this is neutral
ground, and no one side should gain advantage. Remember, the other
monument ruling says that it is ok to have a monument of the Ten
Commandments as part of a larger historic related work.
You want the ten commandments? You also have to display other sets
of rules used by other religions, as well as the rules of secular
humanism. That is fair! You want the Lord's Prayer? You also have to
let other religion's prayers on other days. Those I would highly
support! It shows diversity and commonality, and gets the point across
that ethics IS important.
> Invalidated the third clause of Amendment I, which previously denied the
> Government to "abridge the Freedom of the Press" in two ways- 1) =
> refusing to
> hear the arguments of two incarcerated reporters, in jail for protecting
> their confidential sources, and 2) enabling lawsuits against Grokster =
> for providing a tool that has been used to violate copyright law.
While the reporters issue is not good; the Grokster case seemed
fairly clear -- the executives were vocally after music swappers who
fell off Napster because Napster got taken down for clearly and
specifically promoting illegal activities. As were the Grokster
executives.
> Invalidated the fourth clause of Amendment I, which previously denied =
> the
> government the ability to abridge the freedom of Speech, by ruling that
> cable companies providing broadband internet access are NOT =
> communication
> companies,
I could argue both ways. Cable companies invested a lot of PRIVATE
money in their networks. To have that stolen from them would be
appropriation of private property for public good. And above, you
clearly said you don't want that.
> Invalidated the Postal Roads clause of the Constitution with the same
> decision- the Internet was originally built for public use with public
> monies- now ISP's may use it for private profit.
Excuse me??? The internet was build for military use with military
funds. Then it was expanded, etc. for educational use. Most ISPs have
private agreements with other ISPs up to those having such agreements
with private carrier companies.
> Further, an extension of the Grokster decision would mean that if I take =
> a chef's knife made by Chicago Cutlery to murder someone, Chicago Cutlery
> would be responsible- as they provided the tool I used! Follow the logic-
> Amendment II is the NEXT to fall! The precedent was set yesterday by the
> Grokster decision. If the TOOL can be held liable for the crime, than
> ANYTHING can be illegal!
Numerous gun cases suggest this is just not true. A knife's primary
use is not murder, it is cutting food, leather, whatever. even though a
gun's primary purpose IS death and destruction, cases against gun
manufacturers have not won in court.
In contrast Grokster specifically went after illegal music swappers
as their primary, nearly exclusive market.
Now, I don't like that ruling... but... it is a sign of the
idiocity of the exploitative records industry's total lack of
imagination. Let them share lousy quality copies of the music! Seed
them with clips of the music! Then sell them better quality versions.
> We now live in a totalitarian, Socialist oligopoly. And all history has how
> us who are the FIRST to die in the ovens and concentration camps of such a
> regime- the intelligentsia. Our days are numbered in this country. We =
> will soon find ourselves dragged from bed by jack-booted Nazi
blackshirts, and erased.
Oh Bull Detritus!
You are scaring Clyde. And me!
> Now I must run from the black helicopters.
I will greet them with my usual police greeting: "How may I help
you?" That usually defuses tense situations. And yes, I've had police
and security folks point guns at me. They've always made the guns
disappear when they understood the reality of the situation.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Jun 28 16:25:25 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Jun 28 16:25:29 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD7743@pzisexch.poco.com> from
"Moore, Frank" at Jun 28, 2005 02:15:54 PM
Message-ID: <20050628232525.82857.qmail@mall-net.com>
> >>>But in experiments with mice, hope helps them survive. The
> setting is a vat of water in which mice were dropped and timed till they
> drowned.=20
> If the mouse was given some underwater platform to stand on the first
> time it was dropped in the vat, then the second time that mouse tried to
> swim and look for the platform twice as long as mice which had not found
> the platform. The hope of finding that platform kept them alive twice
> as long.<<<
> I've read of that experiment, and it is interesting. However... Mice
> are not sentient. Nor do they have the ability to reason and dream.
While the question of sentience of mice is open, they clearly do
weigh risk (reason), and all mammals display EEG signs of dreaming.
> I may an oddball... But I take myself as an example. I have no progeny.
> Why do I care about the sad state of Public Education in the US? For
> the same reasons I'm concerned about the original topic of this Thread.
I too, am unlikely to have progeny. However, I do have
recollections of scenes of what may have been previous lives; so I
believe that there is a possibility that I may live again, and will
likely retain much of my character intact. (Though not the memories.)
> >>>Much of Eastern philosophy seems to be about getting along, about NOT
> competing, about NOT making the most of yourself that you can.<<<
>
> True enough. But there are aspect of Eastern philosophy that would
> combine well with an overall curriculum in Ethics. That was my point.
Some aspects, yes. And a review of the contrasts would be good
also, especially when it shows where those contrasts lead the respective
societies.
Oops, that's judgement, isn't it. Well judge competently that yea
be judged competent.
> That it need not be solely "Western" based. Indeed... The Ancient
> Greeks provided the core aspects of Western Thought... Mathematics;
> Logic; Objective Scientific Inquiry... that lead to the modern world. =20
Yes, and the spark for that was Athena and her worship.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Jun 28 16:32:27 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Jun 28 16:32:31 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
In-Reply-To: <20050628232525.82857.qmail@mall-net.com> from
"javilk@mall-net.com" at Jun 28, 2005 11:25:25 PM
Message-ID: <20050628233227.87223.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > I may an oddball... But I take myself as an example. I have no progeny.
> > Why do I care about the sad state of Public Education in the US? For
> > the same reasons I'm concerned about the original topic of this Thread.
>
> I too, am unlikely to have progeny. However, I do have
> recollections of scenes of what may have been previous lives; so I
> believe that there is a possibility that I may live again, and will
> likely retain much of my character intact. (Though not the memories.)
>
What I meant to add before an important call came in, was that
those recollections show very graphically how much better our lives are
for all the wisdom, inventions, and just plain work we have put in to
our civilization.
I believe that the teaching of the theory of reincarnation, which
use to be common till Christianity changed it's mind about it, is a
tremendous way of teaching social responsibility toward future
generations.
(Whether or not it is true.)
-J- (Javilk@best.com) ------------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk/
Reincarnation: It's just one danged life after another! Though we did
get the indoor plumbing working, and hot water for the showers. Now
maybe we'll get the computers working in this life. -------------------
400+ religions,Pick one!
From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Jun 28 20:25:19 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Tue Jun 28 20:25:32 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Deep Impact
Message-ID: <002701c57c5a$2e13fd50$6401a8c0@mikey>
This is a test of our ability to hit a NEO threat.
HST is a hydrogen-fluorine laser, one shot cannon, of indescribable power,
for the same purpose.
You see, we already know of a massive NEO that will strike earth in a few
years.
And if neither can prevent the earth impact in late 2011 or early 2012, than
the elite will retire to the ISS for the duration.
Like someone will be left to send them food and air!
How's that for Mad Scientist?
From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Jun 28 21:55:30 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Jun 28 21:55:33 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Deep Impact
In-Reply-To: <002701c57c5a$2e13fd50$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Jun
28, 2005 11:25:19 PM
Message-ID: <20050629045530.27000.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> This is a test of our ability to hit a NEO threat.
NEO = Near Earth Orbit (comet or asteroid)
> HST is a hydrogen-fluorine laser, one shot cannon, of indescribable =
> power, for the same purpose.
>
> You see, we already know of a massive NEO that will strike earth in a =
> few years.
Ok, which, where's the publications supporting this??? I mean your
statement of "will" as opposed to "may".
> And if neither can prevent the earth impact in late 2011 or early 2012, =
> than the elite will retire to the ISS for the duration.
Ah... slight technical problems...
> Like someone will be left to send them food and air!
Right!
Ok, Mike, where' did you read about this one???
I am aware of something that will come close, but the chances are
not that high given the size of the estimated circle of probability as
it passes the earth's orbit. However, the earth was, last time they
calculated it, at the center. And I don't remember where I read it. New
Scientist?
Meanwhile, they aro out to snare a Higgs Boson. If we can figure
out how to use the Higgs field... (Current Scientific American) then we
should be able to eliminate, ah, many problems like the NEO threat.
Might make houses which need to be moved much more of a deal, than using
current slice and haul techniques. (My Uncle bought such a house and
had it put on a then vacant lot. Lived in it some 30 years.) Never
could understand the economics of the spindizzy field stories; but hey,
if Los Angeles wants to leave the solar system, let them.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Jun 28 22:09:34 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue Jun 28 22:09:38 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Deep Impact
In-Reply-To: <20050629045530.27000.qmail@mall-net.com> from
"javilk@mall-net.com" at Jun 29, 2005 04:55:30 AM
Message-ID: <20050629050934.39028.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > This is a test of our ability to hit a NEO threat.
>
> NEO = Near Earth Orbit (comet or asteroid)
>
> > HST is a hydrogen-fluorine laser, one shot cannon, of indescribable =
> > power, for the same purpose.
Environmental impact schtatementen for HSTrionic laser vill be
immense!
> > You see, we already know of a massive NEO that will strike earth in a =
> > few years.
Ah! Ich have der solution! Very simple. Make law dat require
environmental impact statement before meteor land on earth.
And if not filed, green peaces will boycott and absorb all impact.
End all environ-mental problems!
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From FMoore at POCO.com Wed Jun 29 08:12:19 2005
From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Wed Jun 29 08:12:27 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD7803@pzisexch.poco.com>
>>>While the question of sentience of mice is open, they clearly do
weigh risk (reason), and all mammals display EEG signs of dreaming.<<<
Well, John...
I'm not going to debate the possibility of Muscine Sentience.
However... You misinterpreted my reference to Dreaming. I do not
question that many mammalian species undergo REM sleep and neuronal
activity associated with Dreaming. (I know that the dogs I've had often
had very vivid dreams). I had actually implied the type of Dreaming the
Humans engage in, in respect to planning and anticipating the Future...
and then taking actions to try to bring that Future into Reality.
This was in reply to your early commentary that Humans require a God in
order to have Hope. Dreaming, and actively working toward a better
Future... in spite of current setbacks and disappointments... to me, is
also an expression of Hope. Devoid of Supernatural entities. But
anyway...
This Thread has gone far off the original topic of Morality and Ethics.
And it will all be moot anyway. Once I take over the world... Everyone
will have to behave themselves... Play Nice... and do what I say!
Bwaa-Haaaaa-Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ;-')
Frank F. Moore
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> >>>But in experiments with mice, hope helps them survive. The
> setting is a vat of water in which mice were dropped and timed till
> they drowned.=20 If the mouse was given some underwater platform to
> stand on the first time it was dropped in the vat, then the second
> time that mouse tried to swim and look for the platform twice as long
> as mice which had not found the platform. The hope of finding that
> platform kept them alive twice as long.<<<
> I've read of that experiment, and it is interesting. However... Mice
> are not sentient. Nor do they have the ability to reason and dream.
While the question of sentience of mice is open, they clearly do
weigh risk (reason), and all mammals display EEG signs of dreaming.
> I may an oddball... But I take myself as an example. I have no
progeny.
> Why do I care about the sad state of Public Education in the US? For
> the same reasons I'm concerned about the original topic of this
Thread.
I too, am unlikely to have progeny. However, I do have
recollections of scenes of what may have been previous lives; so I
believe that there is a possibility that I may live again, and will
likely retain much of my character intact. (Though not the memories.)
> >>>Much of Eastern philosophy seems to be about getting along, about
> >>>NOT
> competing, about NOT making the most of yourself that you can.<<<
>
> True enough. But there are aspect of Eastern philosophy that would
> combine well with an overall curriculum in Ethics. That was my point.
Some aspects, yes. And a review of the contrasts would be good
also, especially when it shows where those contrasts lead the respective
societies.
Oops, that's judgement, isn't it. Well judge competently that yea
be judged competent.
> That it need not be solely "Western" based. Indeed... The Ancient
> Greeks provided the core aspects of Western Thought... Mathematics;
> Logic; Objective Scientific Inquiry... that lead to the modern world.
> =20
Yes, and the spark for that was Athena and her worship.
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Jun 29 10:06:46 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD7803@pzisexch.poco.com> from
"Moore, Frank" at Jun 29, 2005 10:12:19 AM
Message-ID: <20050629170641.22430.qmail@mall-net.com>
> >>>While the question of sentience of mice is open, they clearly do
> weigh risk (reason), and all mammals display EEG signs of dreaming.<<<
> I'm not going to debate the possibility of Muscine Sentience.
> However... You misinterpreted my reference to Dreaming. I do not
> question that many mammalian species undergo REM sleep and neuronal
> activity associated with Dreaming. (I know that the dogs I've had often
> had very vivid dreams). I had actually implied the type of Dreaming the
> Humans engage in, in respect to planning and anticipating the Future...
> and then taking actions to try to bring that Future into Reality.
Is not the building of a nest evidence of planning? Do they not go
out, select appropriate material, and bring it back?
Or what of the squirrels that I met on the ranch, all gathering
every night, sitting quietly as they watch the shadows climb the
hillside, before retiring for the night?
> This was in reply to your early commentary that Humans require a God in
> order to have Hope. Dreaming, and actively working toward a better
> Future... in spite of current setbacks and disappointments... to me, is
> also an expression of Hope. Devoid of Supernatural entities. But
> anyway...
Yes it is. But somehow, the acknowledgment of the above is quite
satisfying in a way different from anything else.
> This Thread has gone far off the original topic of Morality and Ethics.
> And it will all be moot anyway. Once I take over the world... Everyone
> will have to behave themselves... Play Nice... and do what I say!
> Bwaa-Haaaaa-Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ;-')
I think there are a few other people in line ahead of you. People
none of us want to succeed. E. G. Kim Il Sung, Putin, Bin Laden, and a
few other characters, some of whom we've read about, some of whom are
a bit more obscure. At least we got sandman out of the line.
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From FMoore at POCO.com Wed Jun 29 10:38:12 2005
From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Wed Jun 29 10:38:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Instinct
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD7840@pzisexch.poco.com>
>>>Is not the building of a nest evidence of planning? Do they not go
out, select appropriate material, and bring it back?
Or what of the squirrels that I met on the ranch, all gathering every
night, sitting quietly as they watch the shadows climb the hillside,
before retiring for the night?<<<
No, it isn't. Planning requires thought. All that nest building and
food gathering requires is a set of patterned behaviors that manifest
themselves in accordance with hormonal and/or neurochemical stimuli.
Frank F. Moore
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> >>>While the question of sentience of mice is open, they clearly do
> weigh risk (reason), and all mammals display EEG signs of dreaming.<<<
> I'm not going to debate the possibility of Muscine Sentience.
> However... You misinterpreted my reference to Dreaming. I do not
> question that many mammalian species undergo REM sleep and neuronal
> activity associated with Dreaming. (I know that the dogs I've had
> often had very vivid dreams). I had actually implied the type of
> Dreaming the Humans engage in, in respect to planning and anticipating
the Future...
> and then taking actions to try to bring that Future into Reality.
Is not the building of a nest evidence of planning? Do they not go
out, select appropriate material, and bring it back?
Or what of the squirrels that I met on the ranch, all gathering
every night, sitting quietly as they watch the shadows climb the
hillside, before retiring for the night?
> This was in reply to your early commentary that Humans require a God
> in order to have Hope. Dreaming, and actively working toward a better
> Future... in spite of current setbacks and disappointments... to me,
> is also an expression of Hope. Devoid of Supernatural entities. But
> anyway...
Yes it is. But somehow, the acknowledgment of the above is quite
satisfying in a way different from anything else.
> This Thread has gone far off the original topic of Morality and
Ethics.
> And it will all be moot anyway. Once I take over the world...
> Everyone will have to behave themselves... Play Nice... and do what I
say!
> Bwaa-Haaaaa-Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ;-')
Is not the building of a nest evidence of planning? Do they not go
out, select appropriate material, and bring it back?
Or what of the squirrels that I met on the ranch, all gathering
every night, sitting quietly as they watch the shadows climb the
hillside, before retiring for the night?
, some of whom we've read about, some of whom are a bit more obscure.
At least we got sandman out of the line.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 12:29:06 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Jun 29 12:29:12 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Deep Impact
In-Reply-To: <002701c57c5a$2e13fd50$6401a8c0@mikey>
Message-ID: <20050629192906.98697.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
YES; SPACE BASED LASER WEAPONS, AND
SPACE BASED NUKES.
THIS SHITTY OF TULSA OK. ALWAYS HAS A
DARK BROWN CLOUD HANGING OVER IT, BUT
DURING THE STRANGE STORM AT THE END OF LAST
MONTH, THE DUST IN THE ATMOSPHERE OVER
THIS INDUSTRIAL SLUM SHITTY INCREASED
1000 FOLD (OR MORE).
IT SOUNDED LIKE MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEMS
WERE GOING FULL AND STRONG THAT NIGHT,
OVER THE SKIES OF THIS SHITTY.
MAKES ME WONDER OF POSSIBILITIES OF
NUCLEAR WEATHER CONTROL, AND IF THIS
SHITTY MIGHT HAVE BEEN UNDER ATTACK THAT
STRANGE STORM NIGHT.
CLYDE
Michael Best wrote:
This is a test of our ability to hit a NEO threat.
HST is a hydrogen-fluorine laser, one shot cannon, of indescribable power,
for the same purpose.
You see, we already know of a massive NEO that will strike earth in a few
years.
And if neither can prevent the earth impact in late 2011 or early 2012, than
the elite will retire to the ISS for the duration.
Like someone will be left to send them food and air!
How's that for Mad Scientist?
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From justinhart at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 12:39:43 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Wed Jun 29 12:39:55 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Deep Impact
In-Reply-To: <20050629192906.98697.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <002701c57c5a$2e13fd50$6401a8c0@mikey>
<20050629192906.98697.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
There was a paper published recently, that covered the possibility of
weather control. I don't remember how or why I stumbled on it (I am
in Computer Science). If I come across it again, I'll post a link.
Justin
On 6/29/05, clyde lofton wrote:
>
> YES; SPACE BASED LASER WEAPONS, AND
> SPACE BASED NUKES.
> THIS SHITTY OF TULSA OK. ALWAYS HAS A
> DARK BROWN CLOUD HANGING OVER IT, BUT
> DURING THE STRANGE STORM AT THE END OF LAST
> MONTH, THE DUST IN THE ATMOSPHERE OVER
> THIS INDUSTRIAL SLUM SHITTY INCREASED
> 1000 FOLD (OR MORE).
> IT SOUNDED LIKE MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEMS
> WERE GOING FULL AND STRONG THAT NIGHT,
> OVER THE SKIES OF THIS SHITTY.
> MAKES ME WONDER OF POSSIBILITIES OF
> NUCLEAR WEATHER CONTROL, AND IF THIS
> SHITTY MIGHT HAVE BEEN UNDER ATTACK THAT
> STRANGE STORM NIGHT.
>
> CLYDE
>
>
> Michael Best wrote:
> This is a test of our ability to hit a NEO threat.
>
> HST is a hydrogen-fluorine laser, one shot cannon, of indescribable power,
> for the same purpose.
>
> You see, we already know of a massive NEO that will strike earth in a few
> years.
>
> And if neither can prevent the earth impact in late 2011 or early 2012, than
> the elite will retire to the ISS for the duration.
>
> Like someone will be left to send them food and air!
>
> How's that for Mad Scientist?
>
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 12:41:20 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Jun 29 12:41:29 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Crazy hunches.
Message-ID: <20050629194121.63919.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
Crazy hunches:
Remote controlled military airplanes, now
flying all over Tulsa, ready to strike targets,
when and if neccessary.
Radio I.D. transmitters secretly attached
to automobiles, for the New World Disorder-
-Order.
Clyde Lofton
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 13:01:10 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed Jun 29 13:01:21 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Regaining our power control.
Message-ID: <20050629200110.66369.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Regaining our power control:
The local, state, and federal governments are
killing all of us to death;
With both immoral pollution, and atmospheric
pollution.
Can we the people of this now super divided
country regain our power control???
Clyde Lofton
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 13:56:44 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Wed Jun 29 13:56:49 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Regaining our power control.
In-Reply-To: <20050629200110.66369.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050629205644.41998.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
1.) get more people to consider local power generation
to be fahionable, hip, and the civic thing to do.
2.) get local people to hold their local officials to
be accountable. This is the kind of thing that
spreads.
3.) get people to start thinking of the problems
facing this country as a series of linked, local
problems.
we need to reframe these problems in terms that the
folks are us can understand, repond to, and start the
solution process.
the only fee I'll require for setting up the solution
process is the following:
->1200 square foot condo in the New Haven area.
->seperate shop area zoned for I4 (makes it easier to
borrow a cup of UMDH)
->three chesty red-headed wenches (ren faire is fine)
to do all chores and keep my wife and I company.
Bob (mad social scientist and bon vivant)
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> Regaining our power control:
>
> The local, state, and federal governments are
> killing all of us to death;
> With both immoral pollution, and atmospheric
> pollution.
> Can we the people of this now super divided
> country regain our power control???
>
> Clyde Lofton
>
>
>
>
>
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 14:04:58 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Wed Jun 29 14:05:02 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Crazy hunches.
In-Reply-To: <20050629194121.63919.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050629210458.56637.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com>
secret???
all of those speed-pass toll plates...
on-star...
your cell phone!
your atm card.
few other transmitters needed.
Bob (looking for the black helicopters...to hitch a
ride)
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> Crazy hunches:
>
> Remote controlled military airplanes, now
> flying all over Tulsa, ready to strike targets,
> when and if neccessary.
> Radio I.D. transmitters secretly attached
> to automobiles, for the New World Disorder-
> -Order.
>
> Clyde Lofton
>
>
>
>
>
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Jun 29 15:17:22 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 29 15:17:38 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Deep Impact
Message-ID: <55.7630351f.2ff477f2@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/28/2005 11:26:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mbest@triad.rr.com writes:
And if neither can prevent the earth impact in late 2011 or early 2012, than
the elite will retire to the ISS for the duration.
What the heck is ISS?? Who are the elite? How do I get to go, I want to be
elite, sounds like fun.
I am a fan of Art Bell and George Norie (SP?) Coast to Coast, AM radio. For
years now I have been hearing about a Hopi belief that something earth
shaking will take place in the year 2012. Also, something about a Mayan calendar
that spans thousands of years but ends around 2012 CE. Then to put the
topping on the cake, there's a lot of talk about a government project regarding
distance seeing, Star Gate. Some claim that looking into the future, no one
can see anything beyond the year 2012.
Hummmmm
Don't suppose there may be something to all this stuff? We know there is a
big rock headed our way sometime in the next few years. And now we have our
government talking about testing rockets to blast into space rocks ( to
check out their core they say) Interesting timing don't you think.
The conversation you had regarding religion was kind of sad to me. I have
been where you all were and at one time had the same questions and feelings.
Fortunately I was raised by a closet Baha'i that led me to find as an adult
the answers to questions I had as a child.
My faith teaches that humanity is like the body of a dove. One wing is
religion, the other is science. The Dove cannot fly without both wings, take one
away and all is lost.
My favorite tenet is if a family has 6 children, four of them boys. The
family can only educate a couple of their children, we are taught that we
must educate the two girls first.
Have a safe 4th. of July, don't want to loose any of yah.
Regards Vesta
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Jun 29 16:07:14 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 29 16:07:23 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Ethics
Message-ID:
In a message dated 6/29/2005 11:13:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
FMoore@POCO.com writes:
This Thread has gone far off the original topic of Morality and Ethics. And
it will all be moot anyway. Once I take over the world... Everyone will
have to behave themselves... Play Nice... and do what I say!
Bwaa-Haaaaa-Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ;-')
Frank F. Moore
Don't know where you live Frank, you can take over the whole world for all
anyone cares. BUT, you better think twice before you try anything up here in
New England.
Think back on history, the Civil War. Know the real reason the South Lost ?
I can tell you it was their woman that did them in. The Southern Bells
never did a lick of work in their lives. Warm, well fed, sheltered, lots of
slaves to do their bidding. Wooses, all of them. The YANKEE woman on the other
hand, had no slaves, worked beside their men, in the fields and learned to hunt
and shoot the local savages trying to burn them out. These woman could trap
for pelts, track a deer or moose for meat. They could and did fish for food,
dig for clams and oysters, collect lobsters at the low tide. In land they had
a really hard time, hunter, gathering, never knowing when the indians would
swoop in and kidnap their children to sell to the Canadians as servants. By
the time the 1800's came about, the DNA had been set for the woman of both
north and south. When generation after generation have to do for themselves,
strength is built. People who struggle, the survivors become super strong. both
in body and in mind.
In the south, woman were property of the men. They had no self worth
they never grew out of dependency on men, little girls forever.
Sorry, don't know how I got off on this track. Just don't come up here
to take over. You will get your ass wiped like a red headed step child. Got
some mean woman up here, remember Margret Chase Smith of Maine? I could name
some living woman up here but I don't think I need to.
Oh Yes a thought, New York is not New England, but a close
neighbor. So tell me how the hell are you going to take over Miss Hillery. I cannot
believe any man can go up against a woman with BALLS.
This is just America, I can think of 50 nations you will have to butt
heads with female leaders, perhaps you will reconsider and decide it would be
better to sell hot dogs on the street then try to take on the GENTELER SEX.
Regards Vesta
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From justinhart at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 16:07:45 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Wed Jun 29 16:07:50 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Deep Impact
In-Reply-To: <55.7630351f.2ff477f2@aol.com>
References: <55.7630351f.2ff477f2@aol.com>
Message-ID:
> I am a fan of Art Bell and George Norie (SP?) Coast to Coast, AM radio. For
Noory. I have streamlink. Be warned, you don't get THAT much more.
It's really only valuable if, like me, getting to a wireless signal is
easier than getting to an AM radio station that carries it.
> Don't suppose there may be something to all this stuff?
I honestly don't think that there is much to it.
> Have a safe 4th. of July.
I have a friend who develops optics for space telescopes. I'm going
to see what SHE's doing, since it probably involves watching Deep
Impact hit.
--
Justin W. Hart
From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jun 29 17:47:03 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Jun 29 17:47:15 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Regaining our power control.
In-Reply-To: <20050629200110.66369.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 29, 2005 01:01:10 PM
Message-ID: <20050630004703.46098.qmail@mall-net.com>
> The local, state, and federal governments are
> killing all of us to death;
> With both immoral pollution, and atmospheric
> pollution.
Nah. It's us who are at fault.
Do not ascribe to willfull evil what can be more easily ascribed to
bulk stupidity by the masses.
> Can we the people of this now super divided
> country regain our power control???
The country is not divided.
We are still in control.
The only problem is, we're not holding on to the steering wheel;
we're distracted by nonsense on the TV.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jun 29 17:52:39 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Jun 29 17:52:43 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Crazy hunches.
In-Reply-To: <20050629194121.63919.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 29, 2005 12:41:20 PM
Message-ID: <20050630005239.52053.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Remote controlled military airplanes, now
> flying all over Tulsa, ready to strike targets,
> when and if neccessary.
We've had cruise missles for decades now! Prop driven ones too.
> Radio I.D. transmitters secretly attached
> to automobiles, for the New World Disorder-
> -Order.
Not secretly, willfully, so that we don't ahve to stop at toll
gates.
Some proposals ahve been made for remote reading of license plates
on various roads. This was turned down by the courts as invasion of
property.
The beauty is tha twe have a three section government -- congress,
courts, and president. Checks and balances.
Remember the computer decency act? Censorship of all porn and
medical information. Congress passed it, but the courts killed it
pronto!
Sure, we can do better and should do better. But it's far from
hopeless!!!
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jun 29 18:02:20 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Jun 29 18:02:27 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Instinct
In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD7840@pzisexch.poco.com> from
"Moore, Frank" at Jun 29, 2005 12:38:12 PM
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> >>>Is not the building of a nest evidence of planning? Do they not go
> out, select appropriate material, and bring it back?
> Or what of the squirrels that I met on the ranch, all gathering every
> night, sitting quietly as they watch the shadows climb the hillside,
> before retiring for the night?<<<
>
> No, it isn't. Planning requires thought. All that nest building and
> food gathering requires is a set of patterned behaviors that manifest
> themselves in accordance with hormonal and/or neurochemical stimuli. =20
Have you played with those animals?
Have you wateched them in the wild?
Have you trained mice for the mazes?
I have. There are the rudiments of planning, cooperation, etc.
And plenty of altruism, etc. in the right circumstances. It's not
simple instinct; it's more complex.
Lab rats are probably insane from boredom.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jun 29 18:10:45 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Jun 29 18:10:48 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Deep Impact
In-Reply-To: <55.7630351f.2ff477f2@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jun 29,
2005 06:17:22 PM
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>
>> And if neither can prevent the earth impact in late 2011 or early
2012, than
>> the elite will retire to the ISS for the duration.
>
>
> What the heck is ISS?? Who are the elite? How do I get to go, I want to be
> elite, sounds like fun.
ISS = international Space Station, what our dumb a***** politicians
have invited too many nations to participate in, accepting too much
inferior crap from other nations. The Ruski instrumentation section is
inferior, and has an unaccepbable level of fan noise due to their crap
obsolete technology.
> that spans thousands of years but ends around 2012 CE. Then to put the
> topping on the cake, there's a lot of talk about a government project regarding
> distance seeing, Star Gate. Some claim that looking into the future, no one
> can see anything beyond the year 2012.
Gee whiz.
And the world was going to end in 1000ad, 2000 ad, and when now?
Repent all yer sins folks, it's over! Gimme all your money so that you
will be absolved of all that evil green stuff! (Or whatever color your
local currency is.) I'll take it all from you and keep it in a nice
safe place so it won't bother you.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From justinhart at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 22:43:04 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Wed Jun 29 22:43:11 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Regaining our power control.
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Recently congress voted to remove part of an amendment to the patriot
act that dealt with the ability to subpeona library and bookstore
records.
I'm pretty offended that such material was even considered.
Justin
On 6/29/05, javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > The local, state, and federal governments are
> > killing all of us to death;
> > With both immoral pollution, and atmospheric
> > pollution.
>
> Nah. It's us who are at fault.
>
> Do not ascribe to willfull evil what can be more easily ascribed to
> bulk stupidity by the masses.
>
> > Can we the people of this now super divided
> > country regain our power control???
>
> The country is not divided.
>
> We are still in control.
>
> The only problem is, we're not holding on to the steering wheel;
> we're distracted by nonsense on the TV.
>
> -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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> Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
> My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
> I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
>
> For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
> orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
> Today's Art Photo
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> Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
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From justinhart at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 22:50:57 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Wed Jun 29 22:51:02 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Home maintanence
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My apartment is infested with little millipedes. Its graduate
housing, old (30 years+ I believe) modular units that don't seem to
keep the bugs out very well. I live right next to the community's
garden (oh joy), where I get to enjoy all sorts of wildlife and bugs,
as they come screwing around on my front porch.
There are probably 100 - 200 millipedes crawling around my front porch
at the moment. I think that I killed a number of them with hot (but
not boiling) water. I also sprayed the whole area down with Windex,
lacking any kind of real bug killer.
What is effective against these things? I want them gone! It's
disgusting to see them crawling around, and their guts when I
accidentally step on one. I can't possibly host guests like this
(getting rid of them quickly would be good, we're trying to have a
coctail party by the weekend)!
--
Justin W. Hart
From justinhart at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 22:54:59 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Wed Jun 29 22:55:03 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Crazy hunches.
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Every time I hear someone going on and on about Bush, I remind them
that it is the legislative branch that introduces new laws. It never
gets through to them. There are tons of "impeach Bush" stickers and
such on the road.
What you need to do is get rid of these dirtbags who are proposing
laws that do absolutely HORRIFIC things. The reason that we are in
this bind isn't because nobody cares or is watching, it's because they
honestly don't seem to understand how this all works. Congress can go
about tearing our freedoms away, while the public rails against Bush,
not even looking at what they are doing.
Justin
On 6/29/05, javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > Remote controlled military airplanes, now
> > flying all over Tulsa, ready to strike targets,
> > when and if neccessary.
>
> We've had cruise missles for decades now! Prop driven ones too.
>
> > Radio I.D. transmitters secretly attached
> > to automobiles, for the New World Disorder-
> > -Order.
>
> Not secretly, willfully, so that we don't ahve to stop at toll
> gates.
>
> Some proposals ahve been made for remote reading of license plates
> on various roads. This was turned down by the courts as invasion of
> property.
>
> The beauty is tha twe have a three section government -- congress,
> courts, and president. Checks and balances.
>
> Remember the computer decency act? Censorship of all porn and
> medical information. Congress passed it, but the courts killed it
> pronto!
>
> Sure, we can do better and should do better. But it's far from
> hopeless!!!
>
> -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk
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From justinhart at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 23:02:44 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Wed Jun 29 23:02:48 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Instinct
In-Reply-To: <20050630010220.58638.qmail@mall-net.com>
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On the flip side of that, I can get fairly simple AI to exhibit any
number of behaviors. The big difference is that the AI is programmed
intentionally to learn those sorts of behaviors. We don't code them
directly because we don't actually know how to do it.
That said, a few of Rodney Brook's robots have exhibited interesting
behaviors that were not inherent in the manner in which they were
developed. Witness one of his robots repeating the "toma" experiment,
despite having no pre-coded logic to perform several of the cognitive
tasks required to do this.
When he visited here (Cornell), myself and several other graduate
students went out to play frisbee. It was kind of intriguing to leave
a lecture, in which Brooks discussed "egospheres" and their role in
guiding the intellect of several of these creations.. then play a game
involving focusing on a brightly colored disk (egospheres in these
experiments form around brightly colored moving objects).
Justin
On 6/29/05, javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > >>>Is not the building of a nest evidence of planning? Do they not go
> > out, select appropriate material, and bring it back?
> > Or what of the squirrels that I met on the ranch, all gathering every
> > night, sitting quietly as they watch the shadows climb the hillside,
> > before retiring for the night?<<<
> >
> > No, it isn't. Planning requires thought. All that nest building and
> > food gathering requires is a set of patterned behaviors that manifest
> > themselves in accordance with hormonal and/or neurochemical stimuli. =20
>
> Have you played with those animals?
>
> Have you wateched them in the wild?
>
> Have you trained mice for the mazes?
>
> I have. There are the rudiments of planning, cooperation, etc.
> And plenty of altruism, etc. in the right circumstances. It's not
> simple instinct; it's more complex.
>
> Lab rats are probably insane from boredom.
>
> -J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jun 29 23:05:57 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Jun 29 23:06:01 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Home maintanence
In-Reply-To: from "Justin Hart" at
Jun 30, 2005 01:50:57 AM
Message-ID: <20050630060557.86372.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> My apartment is infested with little millipedes. Its graduate
> housing, old (30 years+ I believe) modular units that don't seem to
> keep the bugs out very well. I live right next to the community's
Be glad it isn't undergrad housing. The place I spent my first
semester was built after WW-II, and sliding into the street at the rate
of several centimeters per year. They refaced it a few times before I
got there, but it was still awful.
> There are probably 100 - 200 millipedes crawling around my front porch
> at the moment. I think that I killed a number of them with hot (but
> not boiling) water. I also sprayed the whole area down with Windex,
> lacking any kind of real bug killer.
You mean other than hand laser pistols, etc.
By the way, if you hit a fly with a laser pointer, it will take it
15 - 30 seconds to reset it's nervous system, during which time you can
easily nail it.
I'd suggest boric acid.
Some say aspartame does a rather good job on many insects and
mice
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jun 29 23:21:28 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed Jun 29 23:21:32 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Crazy hunches.
In-Reply-To: from "Justin Hart" at
Jun 30, 2005 01:54:59 AM
Message-ID: <20050630062128.96680.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> Every time I hear someone going on and on about Bush, I remind them
> that it is the legislative branch that introduces new laws. It never
> gets through to them. There are tons of "impeach Bush" stickers and
> such on the road.
Right!
> What you need to do is get rid of these dirtbags who are proposing
> laws that do absolutely HORRIFIC things. The reason that we are in
> this bind isn't because nobody cares or is watching, it's because they
> honestly don't seem to understand how this all works. Congress can go
> about tearing our freedoms away, while the public rails against Bush,
> not even looking at what they are doing.
And it is the lobbyists who are feeding the idiots both the funds to
run, and the language of the bills! Basically, it's the lobbyists we
need to disconnect from the legislators.
I'm no fan of Bush; but the alternative was, in my opinion, a lot
worse.
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From FMoore at POCO.com Thu Jun 30 06:35:57 2005
From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Thu Jun 30 06:36:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Instinct
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD78DB@pzisexch.poco.com>
>>>Have you played with those animals?
Have you watched them in the wild?
Have you trained mice for the mazes?<<<
My undergraduate major was Zoology, and I've studied and read Ethology.
You're entitled to Anthropomorphize as much as you like... but I don't
buy it. It's still only instinct for most mammals. Primates and
possibly Cetacean are the only ones that demonstrate what is widely
accepted as Consciousness. If mice are intelligent... Why do keep
finding them in the traps in my Lab? There are Squirrels that nest in
the attic of my house. Every year I removes the nests at least three
times. If they're intelligent.... Why do they keep nesting in a place
where the nests are going to de destroyed?? Because their instincts
indicated it was a good place to nest. And my actions have had no
effect on their instinct to nest in this location, no matter how many
times they come in to find the nests gone. Not exactly a sign of
intelligence... or learning from experience.
As for my observations of animals... I grew up outside a very small town
in western Pennsylvania (Indiana, PA). I've spent plenty of time
outdoors observing wildlife. I'm still a Naturalist... Hiking and
Camping are tow of my preferred recreations. However...
The behavior rodents exhibit in Laboratory situations is contrived and
unnatural.
Frank F. Moore
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javilk@mall-net.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 8:02 PM
To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG
Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Instinct
> >>>Is not the building of a nest evidence of planning? Do they not go
> out, select appropriate material, and bring it back?
> Or what of the squirrels that I met on the ranch, all gathering every
> night, sitting quietly as they watch the shadows climb the hillside,
> before retiring for the night?<<<
>
> No, it isn't. Planning requires thought. All that nest building and
> food gathering requires is a set of patterned behaviors that manifest
> themselves in accordance with hormonal and/or neurochemical stimuli.
> =20
Have you played with those animals?
Have you wateched them in the wild?
Have you trained mice for the mazes?
I have. There are the rudiments of planning, cooperation, etc.
And plenty of altruism, etc. in the right circumstances. It's not
simple instinct; it's more complex.
Lab rats are probably insane from boredom.
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From FMoore at POCO.com Thu Jun 30 06:46:43 2005
From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Thu Jun 30 06:46:57 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Home maintanence
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD78E1@pzisexch.poco.com>
I would agree with John's recommendation of Boric Acid. And I've read
some anecdotal evidence about Aspartame.
Another good, non-toxic, compound is Diatomaceous Earth. You can find
this in most Pool care sections of major hardware stores. It's used for
pool filters. Basically... these are the Silica shells of oceanic
unicellular organisms called Diatoms. Invertebrates that come in
contact with it often ingest some, and it shreds their digestive tracts.
Works great for cockroaches (even the huge ones here in Texas). It may
work well for Millipedes as well.
Frank F. Moore
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From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
[mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
] On Behalf Of Justin
Hart
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 12:51 AM
To: Mad-Scientists Discussion List
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Home maintenance
My apartment is infested with little millipedes. Its graduate housing,
old (30 years+ I believe) modular units that don't seem to keep the bugs
out very well. I live right next to the community's garden (oh joy),
where I get to enjoy all sorts of wildlife and bugs, as they come
screwing around on my front porch.
There are probably 100 - 200 millipedes crawling around my front porch
at the moment. I think that I killed a number of them with hot (but not
boiling) water. I also sprayed the whole area down with Windex, lacking
any kind of real bug killer.
What is effective against these things? I want them gone! It's
disgusting to see them crawling around, and their guts when I
accidentally step on one. I can't possibly host guests like this
(getting rid of them quickly would be good, we're trying to have a
coctail party by the weekend)!
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Thu Jun 30 08:02:19 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Thu Jun 30 08:02:26 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Insect/Meese control
Message-ID: <00c001c57d84$b63b1e90$6401a8c0@mikey>
> Some say aspartame does a rather good job on many insects and mice
Sucralose (Splenda) does a better job. "Since it's made from sugar, it
tastes like sugar," is the key. I was refurbishing one of our rental units,
and found a box of Splenda packets in the cabinet. All were gnawed through,
and their contents consumed.
Lying dead around the cabinet were several emaciated mice! Apparently, the
mice ate the Splenda, thinking it was food, and died of starvation.
Stupid rodents! (Cf. squirrels, which are reasonably intelligent rodents.
The fluffy tail makes all the difference.)
-MB
From FMoore at POCO.com Thu Jun 30 08:54:12 2005
From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Thu Jun 30 08:54:16 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Insect/Meese control
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD7927@pzisexch.poco.com>
>>>The fluffy tail makes all the difference<<<
Not when they nest in your attic and continually tear up insulation...
gnaw through wiring... rip into ventilation... defecate... build
nests... etc., ad nauseam. Squirrels are filthy, disgusting creatures.
They carry can rabies; plague; fleas; ticks; and lice.
I'm sure they must fill some ecological niche. But there moments when
I'd love to see them completely eradicated from the Biosphere.
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Best
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:02 AM
To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG; javilk@mall-net.com
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Insect/Meese control
Stupid rodents! (Cf. squirrels, which are reasonably intelligent
rodents.
The fluffy tail makes all the difference.)
-MB
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Jun 30 10:13:59 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun 30 10:14:17 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Instinct
Message-ID: <15c.534eb32b.2ff58257@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/30/2005 9:36:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
FMoore@POCO.com writes:
The behavior rodents exhibit in Laboratory situations is contrived and
unnatural.
Frank F. Moore
I raised mice as a kid and drove my parents nuts in the process. It all
started with a sweet little mouse a friend at school gave to me. First week it
kind of took to me, sat on my head and in my pocket, good pet. Dad built a tiny
cage, home for Mickey, all was well. UNTIL, I came home from school to find
out Mickey was a Minnie mouse with 6 of the yuckiest babies I had ever seen.
Dad built a bigger cage. Couple of months later the size of the cages Dad
kept building, was taking over my bedroom. These lovely little pets got
really strange. They had all the food they needed, water and lots of straw to hide
in. These guys got wierd, began to fight and one mom ate her babies !! I was
not surprised when I came home one day to have my Mom tell me that Dad had
Baptised the mice. Later on in life I saw an experiment along the lines of
mice forced to live in over crowed conditions. Horrible, their behavior was
almost human.
Next fun experiment for me was when I had a giant ant farm
built for my kids. After months of observation the kids and I began to feel
like Gods. If we with held water or food, the ants reminded us of people who
pray for rain, strange. To some creatures on earth, God is an 8 year old boy
who may grow tired of them and allow their lives to end from neglect.
From this my kids grew to believe there is no personal God, so far in
life I am not sure if they have changed their minds or not as adults.
Then there is the question of board lab rats. I have read
that all Animals kept captive in all zoos are rendered mental retarded buy
the fact of captivity.
Regards Vesta
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Jun 30 10:24:39 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun 30 10:25:05 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Home maintanence
Message-ID: <8.6b71b0c8.2ff584d7@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/30/2005 9:47:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
FMoore@POCO.com writes:
Another good, non-toxic, compound is Diatomaceous Earth. You can find this
in most Pool care sections of major hardware stores. It's used for pool
filters. Basically... these are the Silica shells of oceanic unicellular
organisms called Diatoms. Invertebrates that come in contact with it often ingest
some, and it shreds their digestive tracts. Works great for cockroaches
(even the huge ones here in Texas). It may work well for Millipedes as well.
Frank F. Moore
Don't kill these fellas, run them off. Use cucumber peels, chop up banana
peels, Salt lots of salt the kind used for melting ice. Another thing to try
is the clumping kind of kitty litter, dehydrates the pests. Wont last
long, a few days perhaps but their life is important to ecology, handle it for
now. I have the sonic devices for cockroaches, I move them every
month from room to room. Bought them at Wallmart, cheap. Not one problem with
ants or spiders either. Got to keep moving them since they can get use to
them if they are kept in one place too long.
Regards Vesta
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Jun 30 10:47:25 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Instinct
In-Reply-To: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C9747DD78DB@pzisexch.poco.com> from
"Moore, Frank" at Jun 30, 2005 08:35:57 AM
Message-ID: <20050630174721.82744.qmail@mall-net.com>
> My undergraduate major was Zoology, and I've studied and read Ethology.
> You're entitled to Anthropomorphize as much as you like... but I don't
> buy it. It's still only instinct for most mammals. Primates and
> possibly Cetacean are the only ones that demonstrate what is widely
> accepted as Consciousness. If mice are intelligent... Why do keep
> finding them in the traps in my Lab? There are Squirrels that nest in
Their intelligence is severely limited, of course. It might fall
into the lines of habituation more than outright intelligence; but they
do have memories, and recollection is one way in which goals are created
and processed. e.g. maze and reward. I have trained mice to do a maze.
What I did not do, was to alter the maze. I bought it from a girl who
used it for a science fair project, then used it in my science fair
project involving the effects of astro-mouse training.
What would be interesting, is to see how the mice handle repeates
within a maze. And to clean the darned maze every time so as to remove
scent markings.
What else would be fascinating, is to create a user-perspective
maze on a computer screen, and see how deeply the mice can handle using
buttons to navigate virtual mazes for food and other needs.
> the attic of my house. Every year I removes the nests at least three
> times. If they're intelligent.... Why do they keep nesting in a place
> where the nests are going to de destroyed?? Because their instincts
> indicated it was a good place to nest. And my actions have had no
> effect on their instinct to nest in this location, no matter how many
> times they come in to find the nests gone. Not exactly a sign of
> intelligence... or learning from experience.
Is it the same critter? Have you marked the critter to be sure?
And what alternative housing is available for the critters??? Real
estate is a competitive market, and some of them are just too poor to
afford prine real estate. (In their case, poor probably means from
broken homes, malnutrition, and other things which impede their ability
to compete via strength and intimidation, rather than our economic
means. But in a sense, it is still much like an economic competition.)
I mean, we build on toxic waste dumps, earthquake faults, and
commit other stupidities too! And that does not even consider what our
homeless people do!
> The behavior rodents exhibit in Laboratory situations is contrived and
> unnatural.
Discovery magazine article, I believe.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 11:27:10 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Jun 30 11:27:17 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (REVISED:) I NEED.
Message-ID: <20050630182710.76786.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
REVISED:
I NEED:
I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF ADRENAL
SEDATION.
I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF NEURAL
SEDATION.
I NEED AN OVERDOSE OF OXYGEN.
I NEED SLEEPING GAS.
I NEED THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
TO HELP GET ME THROUGH IT ALL.
CLYDE LOFTON
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Jun 30 11:27:44 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WE ALL NEED.
Message-ID: <20050630182739.45498.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com>
WE ALL NEED:
WE NEED AN OVERDOSE OF ADRENAL
SEDATION.
WE NEED AN OVERDOSE OF NEURAL
SEDATION.
WE NEED AN OVERDOSE OF OXYGEN.
WE NEED SLEEPING GAS.
WE NEED THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
TO HELP US ALL, GET THROUGH IT
ALL.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Jun 30 11:50:50 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Jun 30 11:50:55 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] It's Called... Instinct
In-Reply-To: <15c.534eb32b.2ff58257@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jun 30,
2005 01:13:59 PM
Message-ID: <20050630185050.33866.qmail@mall-net.com>
> pray for rain, strange. To some creatures on earth, God is an 8 year old boy
> who may grow tired of them and allow their lives to end from neglect.
Yes, and for others, miracles of life extending intervention via
pills and surgery.
> Then there is the question of board lab rats. I have read
> that all Animals kept captive in all zoos are rendered mental retarded buy
> the fact of captivity.
If we examine the wild, we see that it is in fact a very hostile
place full of predators and traps. Not only does the act of navigation
require some level of memory and intelligence; their very lives depend
upon constant threat assessments.
Long ago, I would sit on a park bench in Reading, PA, while eating
or studying. Nearby, was an octagonal fountain pond with an overflow
box. Insects would get swept into that box. Birds would fly up to the
box, hover, look around repeatedly to see if anything strange was
nearby, then dive in for a quick snack. Some birds would be brave,
others would take three, four, even more looks around. Others just
wouldn't brave it. Clearly, they were assessing risk.
My father feeds wild birds by hand. He says they are mostly
chickadees. I've done it too. The birds meet up on the branch of a
nearby tree, waiting for my father to come out. They seem to talk to
each other as they wait.
If one of them is missing, there is some concern, they chitter a
while waiting for the missing one to show up before they give up and
come. If one has died, as they do from time to time, their mood and
chitter is subdued. They know.
My father (or sometimes my mother) goes outside with seeds in the
palm of his hand. He stands on the concrete by the door and holds the
hand up, fingers slightly curled. One by one, the birds fly up, perch
on his fingertips, look him in the eye, pick up a seed, and either crack
it there, or fly back to the branch with it. Some are really brave,
some are not. They each have different personalities.
After they have eaten, my father brings out the scoop and fills the
bird feeder.
I have done this as well. The look in the eye is interesting. They
clearly know what you are.
If he is late, one of the birds will fly up to the kitchen window
and tap on the glass to ask someone to come out.
Once when I was there between projects, one of the birds flew
inside our home as my mother entered after feeding them, to see what our
home was like. He landed on the floor and looked about for a while,
unafraid. I walked over to the door and held it open. After a short
while of looking around, the bird flew back out.
This kind of behavior is consistent with something Theodore
Xenophon Barber wrote about regarding the lives of birds. His latest
book is "The Human Nature of Birds". I am not sure if that was the
book I read, or if he wrote an earlier book about bird behavior.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Jun 30 12:04:27 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Jun 30 12:04:31 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WE ALL NEED.
In-Reply-To: <20050630182739.45498.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 30, 2005 11:27:39 AM
Message-ID: <20050630190427.43509.qmail@mall-net.com>
> WE ALL NEED:
>
> WE NEED AN OVERDOSE OF ADRENAL
> SEDATION.
> WE NEED AN OVERDOSE OF NEURAL
> SEDATION.
> WE NEED AN OVERDOSE OF OXYGEN.
> WE NEED SLEEPING GAS.
> WE NEED THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
> TO HELP US ALL, GET THROUGH IT
> ALL.
Nah, we just need ourselves. We need to think of ourselves as more
capable, then try things, accepting that not all things will work.
It'd be no fun if things all worked. How then, would we value our
own efforts?
Have some faith in yourself, Clyde. Our Mighty Creator has faith
in you. If it did not, it would not have given you free will, and a
mind strong enough to destroy others if you chose.
Our creator had immense faith in all of us, that we will work
together to improve our lot in life.
Just look at history, how a mere two and a half thousand years ago,
we had a life expectancy of only about 35 years. Ancient Greece was, in
large part, populated by those in their late teens and early twenties.
No running water, no electric lights, no computers. Just the blind
faith that they could do things. And so they did! Some elected
government, but a lot of "town meeting" type things.
Rome came later, average life expectancy of perhaps 40 - 45.
Slaves, some public water fountains and sewers. Circuses. Elected
government. Miles of public roads.
In the late 1800's, we reached a life expectancy of 50 - 55.
Sanitation, public water, railroads.
Today, most live to their 60's and maybe 70's. Automobiles,
electricity to do most of our work, and computers to let us see what is
often thousands of miles away.
That's what we built, Clyde. Built because we accept the faith Our
Creator has placed in us, and act accordingly. Most of it was created
not as some huge invention or huge enterprise; but as small everyday
things most of us do, like making bricks, drawing plans, buying food.
The money turns round and round, showing people where to invest their
efforts and their spare cash.
-J- (Javilk@best.com) ------------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk/
Reincarnation: It's just one danged life after another! Though we did
get the indoor plumbing working, and hot water for the showers. Now
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 12:26:45 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Jun 30 12:26:51 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] WE ALL NEED.
In-Reply-To: <20050630190427.43509.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050630192646.59389.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> WE ALL NEED:
>
> WE NEED AN OVERDOSE OF ADRENAL
> SEDATION.
> WE NEED AN OVERDOSE OF NEURAL
> SEDATION.
> WE NEED AN OVERDOSE OF OXYGEN.
> WE NEED SLEEPING GAS.
> WE NEED THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
> TO HELP US ALL, GET THROUGH IT
> ALL.
Nah, we just need ourselves. We need to think of ourselves as more
capable, then try things, accepting that not all things will work.
OK.
THERE ARE OTHERS TOO, WITH OTHER OPINIONS AS WELL.
It'd be no fun if things all worked. How then, would we value our
own efforts?
WELL YOU'RE RIGHT,,,, WE WOULDN'T VALUE OUR OWN EFFORTS IF THINGS
WERE TOO EASY,,,, BUT IF THINGS ARE PERPETUALLY IMPOSSIBLE,,,,
AS IS THE CASE IN THIS FOREVER HALF ASSED, FOREVER GO NOWHERE
FAST, WHERE PROGRESS NEVER LASTS, INDUSTRIAL SLUM WASTELAND
SHITTY OF TULSA, AND SHIT OF OKLAHOMA, THEN ALL OF THE PEOPLE
WOULD BE FRUSRATED AND ANGRY ALL OF THE TIME,,,, AS IS THE CASE
IN THIS GODDAMNED AND MANDAMNED SHITTY OF TULSA.
Have some faith in yourself, Clyde.
I DO HAVE FAITH IN MYSELF.
WITH AN INFINITE # OF STUMBLING BLOCKS IN THE WAY THOUGH, OF
ATTAINING A SUCCESSFUL FUTURE THAT ISN'T POSSIBLE IN THIS
CURSED CITY (SHITTY).
Our Mighty Creator has faith
in you. If it did not, it would not have given you free will, and a
mind strong enough to destroy others if you chose.
Our creator had immense faith in all of us, that we will work
together to improve our lot in life.
Just look at history, how a mere two and a half thousand years ago,
we had a life expectancy of only about 35 years. Ancient Greece was, in
large part, populated by those in their late teens and early twenties.
No running water, no electric lights, no computers. Just the blind
faith that they could do things. And so they did! Some elected
government, but a lot of "town meeting" type things.
Rome came later, average life expectancy of perhaps 40 - 45.
Slaves, some public water fountains and sewers. Circuses. Elected
government. Miles of public roads.
In the late 1800's, we reached a life expectancy of 50 - 55.
Sanitation, public water, railroads.
Today, most live to their 60's and maybe 70's. Automobiles,
electricity to do most of our work, and computers to let us see what is
often thousands of miles away.
That's what we built, Clyde. Built because we accept the faith Our
Creator has placed in us, and act accordingly. Most of it was created
not as some huge invention or huge enterprise; but as small everyday
things most of us do, like making bricks, drawing plans, buying food.
The money turns round and round, showing people where to invest their
efforts and their spare cash.
OK.
I WILL POST THE MARKET SURVEY THAT WAS SUGGESTED FOR ME TO
CREATE, FOR THE TALKING CLOCK PROJECT THAT I HAD MENTIONED IN
THE PAST.
I WANT TO SEE THAT PROJECT BROUGHT TO A REALITY, AND NOT JUST AS A
VAIN VISION OF WHAT COULD BE.
CLYDE
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 12:35:57 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Jun 30 12:36:05 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND.
Message-ID: <20050630193557.15337.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND:
Hello.
My name is Clyde Lofton.
I'm working toward the creation of a minimalistic,
American made/American quality, talking clock unit,
that will have the ability to be synchronized to the
global positioning system, to maintain perfect
accuracy in time keeping, for private use in homes,
and for public use in broadcast facilities, and for use
by owners of amateur radio repeaters.
The talking clock unit is to be as minimalistic as
possible, for maximum ease of use.
The talking clock will have its own internal crystal
oscillator, for use as a stand alone device, but will also
have the simultaneous option to be used in combination
with a global positioning system receiver, as a controlling
device, so that the clock can be continuously updated,
to the Universal Coordinated Time (U.T.C.) clock time
code standard, in Fort Collins Colorado, to keep the
talking clock continuously set to the correct time.
To insure that the talking clock is a success; I am doing
this trite market study, to receive answers to the
following questions:
1. Would the blind community be interested in a talking
clock that is manufactured in the United States, using the
highest of quality parts and components, and built, with
the highest of integrity in its workmanship?
Circle: YES or NO
2. What would the blind be willing to pay for an American
integrity talking clock unit?
Here is an example:
The Omnicron Electronics TCC-14, talking clock/calendar
unit, sells for $445.00 when purchased new.
The talking clock would have to be comparable in cost
to the Omnicron Electronics talking clock/calendar unit,
or would have to be lower in cost from the Omnicron
Electronics unit.
What price range would the blind be willing to pay for
an American quality, user friendly, talking clock unit?
Please put your response here: $ .
Thank you very much for your cooperation in this survey.
Sincerely, Clyde Lofton
Tulsa, Oklahoma
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 12:38:39 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Jun 30 12:38:44 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: I'd like to get your thoughts.
Message-ID: <20050630193839.71359.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
If any of you all have any thoughts regarding
this, I'd appreciate a reply:
I'd like to get your thoughts on the market
study/survey that I worked like hell to
finish.
Any constructive criticism is okay.
I'd like to know where I need improvement,
and if so, what part that needs the
improvement.
Because I want the talking clock project
to be a success.
I've had too many failures in life, and I'm
not going to let this project down, if I can
help it.
Clyde
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Jun 30 13:43:30 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Jun 30 13:43:40 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND.
In-Reply-To: <20050630193557.15337.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 30, 2005 12:35:57 PM
Message-ID: <20050630204330.9798.qmail@mall-net.com>
> 1. Would the blind community be interested in a talking
> clock that is manufactured in the United States, using the
> highest of quality parts and components, and built, with
> the highest of integrity in its workmanship?
No. Bease of their disabilites, most blind are seriously cash
strapped. They want the cheapest talking clock, something that is
available from Radio Shack, or might be available from Wal-Mart.
> 2. What would the blind be willing to pay for an American
> integrity talking clock unit?
As little as possible.
Many of them use wind-up clocks with removable crystals so they can
feel the hands.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 13:45:50 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Jun 30 13:45:54 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND.
In-Reply-To: <20050630204330.9798.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050630204550.22819.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com>
OH WELL.
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> 1. Would the blind community be interested in a talking
> clock that is manufactured in the United States, using the
> highest of quality parts and components, and built, with
> the highest of integrity in its workmanship?
No. Bease of their disabilites, most blind are seriously cash
strapped. They want the cheapest talking clock, something that is
available from Radio Shack, or might be available from Wal-Mart.
> 2. What would the blind be willing to pay for an American
> integrity talking clock unit?
As little as possible.
Many of them use wind-up clocks with removable crystals so they can
feel the hands.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 13:48:43 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Jun 30 13:48:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND.
In-Reply-To: <20050630204550.22819.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050630204843.3838.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
clyde lofton wrote:
OH WELL.
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> 1. Would the blind community be interested in a talking
> clock that is manufactured in the United States, using the
> highest of quality parts and components, and built, with
> the highest of integrity in its workmanship?
No. Bease of their disabilites, most blind are seriously cash
strapped. They want the cheapest talking clock, something that is
available from Radio Shack, or might be available from Wal-Mart.
> 2. What would the blind be willing to pay for an American
> integrity talking clock unit?
As little as possible.
Many of them use wind-up clocks with removable crystals so they can
feel the hands.
ALL OF MY HARD WORK, IN VAIN.
THERE IS NO FUTURE AND NO HOPE FOR THIS COUNTRY, FROM
MY VANTAGE POINT.
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From justinhart at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 13:48:55 2005
From: justinhart at gmail.com (Justin Hart)
Date: Thu Jun 30 13:49:08 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND.
In-Reply-To: <20050630204330.9798.qmail@mall-net.com>
References: <20050630193557.15337.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
<20050630204330.9798.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID:
A friend of mine reads books on tape for the blind. He told me that
interfaces that speak at what one would consider to be a normal pace
are considered a bit too slow by the standards of blind people. They
also prefer the books on tape where he is reading at a pace that is
brisk enough such that, people with sight, would not be fond of the
pace.
Blind people would probably prefer that such an interface speak the
time as quickly as possible, within the constraints that it is still
understandable.
Justin
On 6/30/05, javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > 1. Would the blind community be interested in a talking
> > clock that is manufactured in the United States, using the
> > highest of quality parts and components, and built, with
> > the highest of integrity in its workmanship?
>
> No. Bease of their disabilites, most blind are seriously cash
> strapped. They want the cheapest talking clock, something that is
> available from Radio Shack, or might be available from Wal-Mart.
>
> > 2. What would the blind be willing to pay for an American
> > integrity talking clock unit?
>
> As little as possible.
>
> Many of them use wind-up clocks with removable crystals so they can
> feel the hands.
>
> -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
> CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
> Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
> My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
> I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
>
> For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
> orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
> Today's Art Photo
> Chem / Fungus allergies
> Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
> Arthritis
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>
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Justin W. Hart
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 13:53:39 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu Jun 30 13:53:43 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND.
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20050630205339.88128.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
WELL MY MAIN FOCUS IS ACTUALLY ON THE BROADCAST
ENGINEERING COMMUNITY AND THE AMATEUR RADIO
REPEATER OWNER COMMUNITIES, BUT BLIND FOLKS
MIGHT ALSO BENEFIT FROM THE TECHNOLOGY AS WELL.
CLYDE
Justin Hart wrote:
A friend of mine reads books on tape for the blind. He told me that
interfaces that speak at what one would consider to be a normal pace
are considered a bit too slow by the standards of blind people. They
also prefer the books on tape where he is reading at a pace that is
brisk enough such that, people with sight, would not be fond of the
pace.
Blind people would probably prefer that such an interface speak the
time as quickly as possible, within the constraints that it is still
understandable.
Justin
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Jun 30 14:08:12 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Jun 30 14:08:22 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (Revised:) TRITE MARKET STUDY FOR THE BLIND.
In-Reply-To: <20050630204550.22819.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at Jun 30, 2005 01:45:50 PM
Message-ID: <20050630210812.30428.qmail@mall-net.com>
> OH WELL.
Lots of other possibilities, Clyde.
Look at it this way, you didn't invest your life savings and
millions of borrowed money to produce it.
I invented the first web type browser. I failed to market it.
Lost a few years of my life trying.
It's just the way the market is. Strive to make mistakes cheaply,
so you can make more of them. Sooner or later, one of them will be a
hit.
Look at Whamo Manufacturing. They try all kinds of fad items, most
of which fail in the marketplace. Most? Almost all of which fail in
the market place. But by keeping testing costs down and constantly
trying new things, they come out way ahead of the others who don't try
often enough.
Wham-o gave us the sling shot, the hula hoop, the spud gun, the
Frisbee, and a bunch of other things which were not only fantastic
sellers, they became cultural icons of their era.
The nearest competition has something like a 16% success rate on
new products.
Wham-O's success rate is less than 1%; but because they try more
often, they succeed far more often than other manufacturers. And every
once in a while, they hit a product that goes on to become a cultural
icon.
Too many inventors let their latest idea own them. Own the ideas.
Do what is appropriate to find out whether success is likely, before you
bet the farm on it. And if the market does not seem to be there; then
go on to the next idea.
I lost with my idea, the web type browser. The browser did not
catch on, in part, because I did not know how to market it. Someone
else picked it up later, made it better, and convinced the world that it
was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I take my hat off to them;
they did a better job than I could have. And with that idea, the whole
world is a better place. I use the idea every day, and am glad the world
took it to heart, because it's a tremendous tool! A tool that I need!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Jun 30 17:45:23 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu Jun 30 17:45:28 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The Comet Knows and is Worried!
In-Reply-To: <20050630210812.30428.qmail@mall-net.com> from
"javilk@mall-net.com" at Jun 30, 2005 09:08:12 PM
Message-ID: <20050701004523.85423.qmail@mall-net.com>
----- Cosmic fireworks scheduled for July 4th! -----
We're going to send a washing machine sized object crashing into a
comet. (I'd have volunteered my washing machine, but it still works.)
Look at the rightmost picture of the comet at:
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/2005/18/
Do you see the cute mouse-like face with the nose and two beady
black eyes staring at us? Do you see the frowning mouth with it's
finger in it?
It's worried we're going to hit it!
Should we be testing washing machines on innocent young comets???
Or is this a government pretext to see if we can send all our
garbage into interstellar space via comets?
The comets want to know!
-J- (C) 2005, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk
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