From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun May 1 14:23:18 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Sun May 1 11:23:44 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] stupid acts
Message-ID: <7f.5d502448.2fa67896@aol.com>
There is nothing so stupid as the knee jerk reaction. I was so angered by
the quote from S. Fred Singer I totally forgot the first law of journalism,
---- check the source.
I send my heart filled regrets to anyone and everyone who wasted their time
reading and responding to my mail about his comments on global warming.
I stand before you with head bowed, sack cloth and ashes on my body.
Some how I must learn to believe the unthinkable may be possible, to look
into the window of the human mind and accept that if a mind can visualize
something, there may be a way to bring the idea to life.
I however CAN NOT overcome my fear of pseudoscience.
>The second kind of pseudoscience is far more dangerous because it is
promulgated by >professional scientists who should and do know better, and hence is
likely (indeed is >intended) to be widely believed by lay people.
.>This kind of pseudoscience usually involves statements and arguments that
>employ .scientific language and sound as if they are scientifically based
but actually are no >more than opinions disguised as fact. It is when the
opinions are wrong that >the .pseudoscience becomes dangerous.
REGARDS VESTA
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun May 1 19:08:17 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun May 1 12:08:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] stupid acts
In-Reply-To: <7f.5d502448.2fa67896@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at May 01,
2005 02:23:18 PM
Message-ID: <20050501190817.54477.qmail@mall-net.com>
> There is nothing so stupid as the knee jerk reaction. I was so angered by
> the quote from S. Fred Singer I totally forgot the first law of journalism,
> ---- check the source.
So what did you find?
> I send my heart filled regrets to anyone and everyone who wasted their time
> reading and responding to my mail about his comments on global warming.
>
> I stand before you with head bowed, sack cloth and ashes on my body.
Don't bother. I responded mostly to try to stir conversation on
the topic. You think we can always right??? Hah! (Hey, we're mad
anyway, right?)
I was hoping some would ask interesting questions or point out
interesting and/or controversial data. Asking the right questions is the
larger part of learning; the key piece being neglected by our rigid,
formal schooling systems.
> Some how I must learn to believe the unthinkable may be possible, to look
> into the window of the human mind and accept that if a mind can visualize
> something, there may be a way to bring the idea to life.
>
> I however CAN NOT overcome my fear of pseudoscience.
YES!!! And there sure is a lot of that around!!!
Nevermind the appology, what did you find? Where did you find it?
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun May 1 19:30:01 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun May 1 19:30:15 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ZPE
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050502023001.82605.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
SINCE MONEY IS A BIG PROBLEM-ISSUE FOR ME, I CANNOT DO THE HANDS
ON SCIENCE PROJECTS THAT I HAVE DREAMED OF DOING FOR QUITE A WHILE
NOW; HANDS ON EXPERIMENTS DOING WORK WITH HIGH FIELD STRENGTH
MAGNETIC FIELDS, EXTENSIVE WORK WITH HIGH POWER / HIGH VOLTAGE
EQUIPMENT, WORK WITH EXTREMELY HIGH POWER ELECTROACOUSTICS,
HIGH POWER PNEUMATIC ACOUSTICS, AND CRUDE ELECTROMECHANICS TOO;
DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW IF IT COULD BE POSSIBLE TO CREATE A
VERY SMALL SCALED BLACK HOLE, USING THE EXTREME HIGH GAUSS / HIGH
TESLA ELECTOMAGNETIC FIELDS, IN THE GARGANTUAN SUPERCONDUCTORS
THAT SCIENTISTS USE, AT THOSE GOV'T. GRANT PROJECTS THAT WE ALL HAVE
READ ABOUT?
CLYDE
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
>
> >
> > http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html
The related pages are interesting, but way, way beyond my
understanding of physics!
I fear though, that most of this will not be available to us beyond
the nanoscale. We are, I suspect, stuck in this dimensional realm. I
base this on the lack of visible examples of strange phenomenon in the
realm of our scale (millimeters to mega-meters) and density. What goes
on in the core of the sun is another matter; but even there, we have
some theories which seem to map well with observations.
This does not preclude our being able to utilize some of the
phenomenon, as we do with electricity. Its just that we do not, for the
most part, find ourselves able to use electricity to create major
changes in the meter range.
Most of what we use electricity for is the disruption of atoms to
yield heat and light, or the creation of sub-meter sized magnetic fields
to create motion. That motion is then translated via simple mechanical
gears into larger scale movements. The only places we really get into
near meter scale electron phenomenon is the electron beam used for
imaging, such as in electron microscopes and cathode ray tubes.
Observable nature does a little larger with lightning bolts in the
kilo-meter range scale.
What am I missing?
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun May 1 20:11:01 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun May 1 20:11:26 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Large scale gyroscopes.
Message-ID: <20050502031101.98629.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
What are the largest scale gyroscopes ever made,
and what size, and type of motors drive them?
I am also curious to know what type, and size of
gyroscopes that are used aboard the space shuttle
and the I.S.S.
Does anyone know???
Clyde
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From javilk at mall-net.com Mon May 2 09:58:12 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon May 2 02:58:15 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ZPE
In-Reply-To: <20050502023001.82605.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 01, 2005 07:30:01 PM
Message-ID: <20050502095812.93633.qmail@mall-net.com>
> SINCE MONEY IS A BIG PROBLEM-ISSUE FOR ME, I CANNOT DO THE HANDS
> ON SCIENCE PROJECTS THAT I HAVE DREAMED OF DOING FOR QUITE A WHILE
> NOW; HANDS ON EXPERIMENTS DOING WORK WITH HIGH FIELD STRENGTH
> MAGNETIC FIELDS, EXTENSIVE WORK WITH HIGH POWER / HIGH VOLTAGE
> EQUIPMENT, WORK WITH EXTREMELY HIGH POWER ELECTROACOUSTICS,
> HIGH POWER PNEUMATIC ACOUSTICS, AND CRUDE ELECTROMECHANICS TOO;
> DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW IF IT COULD BE POSSIBLE TO CREATE A
> VERY SMALL SCALED BLACK HOLE, USING THE EXTREME HIGH GAUSS / HIGH
> TESLA ELECTOMAGNETIC FIELDS, IN THE GARGANTUAN SUPERCONDUCTORS
> THAT SCIENTISTS USE, AT THOSE GOV'T. GRANT PROJECTS THAT WE ALL HAVE
> READ ABOUT?
There are some efforts, but basically, current understanding
suggests it is highly unlikely that this could be done even with
substantial government funding.
I wish I could remember where I read about this stuff...
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Mon May 2 07:32:52 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Mon May 2 04:33:07 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out Royal heresy
Message-ID: <9a.25a420ee.2fa769e4@aol.com>
_Royal heresy_ (http://www.alternativescience.com/eric-laithwaite.htm)
>>>What are the largest scale gyroscopes ever made,
>>and what size, and type of motors drive them?
>>I am also curious to know what type, and size of
>>gyroscopes that are used aboard the space shuttle
>>and the I.S.S.
>>Does anyone know???
Clyde
I found this to be interesting not giant gyroscopes but the reverse.
Regards Vesta
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From javilk at mall-net.com Mon May 2 22:17:06 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon May 2 15:17:10 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Large scale gyroscopes.
In-Reply-To: <20050502031101.98629.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 01, 2005 08:11:01 PM
Message-ID: <20050502221706.24529.qmail@mall-net.com>
> What are the largest scale gyroscopes ever made,
> and what size, and type of motors drive them?
> I am also curious to know what type, and size of
> gyroscopes that are used aboard the space shuttle
> and the I.S.S.
> Does anyone know???
Now, having been in the original ISS mockup in Houston, and having
worked on the ISS... (subcontractor to some small contracting shop to
Lockheed which was subcontracted to Boeing, so it's not like I did much
or saw much... but I did see some things. Our project involved the
Solar Rotary Joints, the major joints which keep the two solar panel
SECTIONS oriented toward the sun. There is another set of joints on
each panel which handles the other axis. All I did was a kind of funny
linguistic AI work analyzing reference structures and finding reference
loops in the specifications and manuals. Really weird stuff, but after
the contract teams spent six man months trying to understand things and
failed... I and my linguistics software found out why.)
When you raise the size issue, it becomes necessary to ask: What,
exactly, do you mean by "gyroscope"?
Many space craft have a set of inertial navigation type gyroscopes,
some tiny laser ring gyros, some small mechanical ones, sometimes spun
up by compressed gas.
Because gyroscopes are prone to drift, these are coarse sensors.
There are usually other sensors to detect specific stars and orient the
spacecraft that way. The gyroscopes are used primarily to help find
those reference stars.
The larger spinning masses, more like flywheels, are used for other
purposes -- something to push (torque) against when trying to orient the
craft. And because they are used for reaction mass purposes, they can
not be used as navigational (orientation) reference gyroscopes.
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Mon May 2 20:53:17 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Mon May 2 17:53:34 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Large scale gyroscopes.
Message-ID: <20a.338bf7.2fa8257d@aol.com>
The gyroscopes used to direct the "birds " on the FBMs, the boomers in our
submarine fleet are kind of interesting. Each missile has 8 war heads. The Sam
Houston, Nathan Hale class of the 60ies and 70ies had I believe 16 missiles
in silos in their hulls. Getting any information on how they worked was
impossible, and asking questions then could lead to interesting things things
happening to you.
Way back in 1969 July I believe, I was told I could tour one of these boats.
About a week before the tour I picked up a Readers Digest to read on the
drive to Groton Conn. An article hit my eye, it covered the (Syns system)
used to operate the gyroscopes using satellites for correcting the flight path
of the war heads depending where the sub was at that time.
At my age at that time I would never had been interested in Subs but my Dad
made such a fuss about it I dug in, understanding only every 6th. word and
made the best I could of the information.
Once the tour began my eyes were trying to take in everything, I was not too
interested in the wardroom, goat locker or the mess, except for my curiosity
about the metal cubbyholes next to the eating area. Before Dad could stop me
I opened one and found toilet paper and tooth paste stashed inside. Anywhere
there was an inch of unused space ,supplies to take the 90 or so men for 3
months was used.
Oh, the buttons, the dials, gages, lights flickering on and off, I was in
heaven. The weapons officer finally got us to what he called the Forest. Like
huge trees the missiles rose from the floor, I was just a kid, you know and
didn't know when to shut my mouth.
Some of my questions were, where are the gyroscopes that run the war heads
? Do you know where each war head is going? Lastly, how do the satellites
communicate with the gyroscopes ?
My own father actually stepped away from me like he didn't know who I was
and didn't want to. This room was not well lit, perhaps kept that way when tours
were going on. I knew I had said something very wrong, people began to drift
away from us and above the noise of the boat I could hear my dad breathing
hard.
The officer was calm as could be but he did choke up once as he asked me
where I got the questions from.
Paranoia set in, I began to doubt my own senses. My poor brain was going a
million miles an hour. I had read about it, didn't I. Could I have dreamed this
up, no, but what happens if the story I think I read was not in the latest
issue?
I finally managed to tell dad about the article and Readers Digest. A nice
older man, about 25 or so arrived and took us to the mess. We sat at a table,
someone brought me ice cream and coffee for dad. Dad was a wreck, all color
gone he looked like his dad, really old.
Poor dad, he must have asked me ten times if I was sure I had read this in
an American publication. Had I told any of my class mates I was coming on this
tour. Had any of my friends parents known I would take the tour, and if so
had they told me to ask these questions.
I think it was at that point that dad knew he did not know his only child.
Years away from mom and me, when he retired he worked 3 to 11 shift. He looked
so sad, he was beginning to think I was a Communist spy.
Funny now after all these years, I knew I was ok when the room filled up
with Brass Hats and they were all quietly shaking their heads and passing around
the Readers Digest issue I had read. I heard words like classified and
impossible, I think this was the first time I heard the words fucking bastards,
and ,well a lot more.( common usage today but back then reserved for the men.)
So, I'm still scared, dads color is coming back but he still looks strange,
different then I had ever seen him. The weapons officer comes over and tells
dad that he has quite a kid on his hands and asks him how old I am. Here's
where life gets you, dad told him I was 8 years old, I had to remind him I was 9
and a half. Yah well, I make the same mistake with my own kids, ain't that
a hoot !!!!!!
For xmas that year my parents bought me a bunch of toy gyroscopes. I loved
the damn things but when I asked my 6th. grade teacher how and why they worked,
she had to look it up in an encyclopedia and that didn't tell us much that
either of us could understand.
So, here I am reliving my past with my dad, who is not on Earth any longer,
thank you for bringing up the subject of gyroscopes, reminds me that-------
Those were very good years.
regards
Vesta
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon May 2 19:12:41 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon May 2 19:12:53 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Large scale gyroscopes.
In-Reply-To: <20a.338bf7.2fa8257d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050503021241.13857.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
Vesta111@aol.com wrote:The gyroscopes used to direct the "birds " on the FBMs, the boomers in our submarine fleet are kind of interesting. Each missile has 8 war heads. The Sam Houston, Nathan Hale class of the 60ies and 70ies had I believe 16 missiles in silos in their hulls. Getting any information on how they worked was impossible, and asking questions then could lead to interesting things things happening to you.
Way back in 1969 July I believe, I was told I could tour one of these boats. About a week before the tour I picked up a Readers Digest to read on the drive to Groton Conn. An article hit my eye, it covered the (Syns system) used to operate the gyroscopes using satellites for correcting the flight path of the war heads depending where the sub was at that time.
At my age at that time I would never had been interested in Subs but my Dad made such a fuss about it I dug in, understanding only every 6th. word and made the best I could of the information.
Once the tour began my eyes were trying to take in everything, I was not too interested in the wardroom, goat locker or the mess, except for my curiosity about the metal cubbyholes next to the eating area. Before Dad could stop me I opened one and found toilet paper and tooth paste stashed inside. Anywhere there was an inch of unused space ,supplies to take the 90 or so men for 3 months was used.
Oh, the buttons, the dials, gages, lights flickering on and off, I was in heaven. The weapons officer finally got us to what he called the Forest. Like huge trees the missiles rose from the floor, I was just a kid, you know and didn't know when to shut my mouth.
Some of my questions were, where are the gyroscopes that run the war heads ? Do you know where each war head is going? Lastly, how do the satellites communicate with the gyroscopes ?
My own father actually stepped away from me like he didn't know who I was and didn't want to. This room was not well lit, perhaps kept that way when tours were going on. I knew I had said something very wrong, people began to drift away from us and above the noise of the boat I could hear my dad breathing hard.
The officer was calm as could be but he did choke up once as he asked me where I got the questions from.
Paranoia set in, I began to doubt my own senses. My poor brain was going a million miles an hour. I had read about it, didn't I. Could I have dreamed this up, no, but what happens if the story I think I read was not in the latest issue?
I finally managed to tell dad about the article and Readers Digest. A nice older man, about 25 or so arrived and took us to the mess. We sat at a table, someone brought me ice cream and coffee for dad. Dad was a wreck, all color gone he looked like his dad, really old.
Poor dad, he must have asked me ten times if I was sure I had read this in an American publication. Had I told any of my class mates I was coming on this tour. Had any of my friends parents known I would take the tour, and if so had they told me to ask these questions.
I think it was at that point that dad knew he did not know his only child. Years away from mom and me, when he retired he worked 3 to 11 shift. He looked so sad, he was beginning to think I was a Communist spy.
Funny now after all these years, I knew I was ok when the room filled up with Brass Hats and they were all quietly shaking their heads and passing around the Readers Digest issue I had read. I heard words like classified and impossible, I think this was the first time I heard the words fucking bastards, and ,well a lot more.( common usage today but back then reserved for the men.)
So, I'm still scared, dads color is coming back but he still looks strange, different then I had ever seen him. The weapons officer comes over and tells dad that he has quite a kid on his hands and asks him how old I am. Here's where life gets you, dad told him I was 8 years old, I had to remind him I was 9 and a half. Yah well, I make the same mistake with my own kids, ain't that a hoot !!!!!!
For xmas that year my parents bought me a bunch of toy gyroscopes. I loved the damn things but when I asked my 6th. grade teacher how and why they worked, she had to look it up in an encyclopedia and that didn't tell us much that either of us could understand.
So, here I am reliving my past with my dad, who is not on Earth any longer, thank you for bringing up the subject of gyroscopes,
YOUR WELCOME.
I WANT TO BUILD AN ABSOLUTELY HIGH POWER MODULAR GYROSCOPE CONTROLLED SPACESHIP, WITH AN ABSOLUTELY PERFECT, REDUNDANT,
MODULAR, ISOLATED POWERPLANT, WITH ABSOLUTELY MINIMALISTIC, YET
ADVANCED, HIGHEST QUALITY INSTRUMENTATION.
CHANCES OF IT HAPPENING THOUGH: 1 IN A GOOGLEPLEX!
reminds me that------- Those were very good years.
COOL!
I WISH I COULD RE-LIVE THE GOOD YEARS OF MY LIFE AGAIN, FOREVER; THE
DAYS OF LMP1 (LITTLE METAL POWERHOUSE (C) 1).
I'M AFRAID LITTLE METAL POWERHOUSE WILL FOREVER BE A BROKEN
DREAM, AND A BROKEN MEMORY, WITH THE DEATH OF MY PARENT'S RELATIONSHIP,
ENDING IN DIVORCE, BACK IN 1995, WHEN I GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL.
THAT WAS A VERY SAD AND DEPRESSING TIME IN MY LIFE, BUT NOW I AM JUST
MAD; ANGRY MAD; AS MAD AS HELL; SO MAD THAT I'D LIKE TO TRAVEL TO
THE CAPITAL OF THE U.S. AND PUT A BASEBALL BAT THROUGH A POLITICIAN'S
FACE, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER EITHER WAY.
IS THERE ANY HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY UNDER THE DEMOCRATS
AND THE REPUBLICANS??????????
SINCERELY, CLYDE
regards Vesta
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue May 3 02:40:32 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon May 2 19:40:35 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Large scale gyroscopes.
In-Reply-To: <20050503021241.13857.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 02, 2005 07:12:41 PM
Message-ID: <20050503024032.3670.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > YOUR WELCOME. > I WANT TO BUILD AN ABSOLUTELY HIGH POWER MODULAR
GYROSCOPE CONTROLLED SPACESHIP, WITH AN ABSOLUTELY PERFECT, REDUNDANT, >
MODULAR, ISOLATED POWERPLANT, WITH ABSOLUTELY MINIMALISTIC, YET >
ADVANCED, HIGHEST QUALITY INSTRUMENTATION. > CHANCES OF IT HAPPENING
THOUGH: 1 IN A GOOGLEPLEX!
Remember that perfection is too inflexible to withstand change.
> I WISH I COULD RE-LIVE THE GOOD YEARS OF MY LIFE AGAIN, FOREVER; THE
> DAYS OF LMP1 (LITTLE METAL POWERHOUSE (C) 1).
> I'M AFRAID LITTLE METAL POWERHOUSE WILL FOREVER BE A BROKEN
> DREAM, AND A BROKEN MEMORY, WITH THE DEATH OF MY PARENT'S RELATIONSHIP,
> ENDING IN DIVORCE, BACK IN 1995, WHEN I GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL.
I remember when my father went on reserpin (sp?) a blood pressure
medication. I lost him then. He became a rigid, very depressed person
who later said the medication made him obsessed about suicide. It was
one of the side effects they later listed for that medication.
> THAT WAS A VERY SAD AND DEPRESSING TIME IN MY LIFE, BUT NOW I AM JUST
> MAD; ANGRY MAD; AS MAD AS HELL; SO MAD THAT I'D LIKE TO TRAVEL TO
I think you have to recognize that much of the basis of your anger
is chemistry, not thought. Learn to separate the two. When you have
separated the two in your mind, you won't need the mental or
chemical straight jacket which keeps you from trying things.
> THE CAPITAL OF THE U.S. AND PUT A BASEBALL BAT THROUGH A POLITICIAN'S
> FACE, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER EITHER WAY.
> IS THERE ANY HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY UNDER THE DEMOCRATS
> AND THE REPUBLICANS??????????
Gee, in comparison with many other countries? I kind of think so.
I think America has a history of not just surviving, but saving the
world when it most needs saving.
I'd suggest reading some of Ronald Reagan's commentaries. His
unswerving faith in the future of America took a country devastated by
stagflation and nearly hopelessly out-gunned by the soviets, to the
robust winner of the cold war. He may not have gotten everything right,
but he did get some of the most important things right.
Much of your anger is because you are burning adrenaline at a high
rate, not unlike some kind of allergy attack. You need to try to
identify why this is so, and reduce that rate. I've suggested some
simple things that have helped me, like niacin and vitamin C. And
trying to photograph, sketch, and/or describe beautiful things every
day. Have you tried them?
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue May 3 03:42:22 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon May 2 20:42:25 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Large scale gyroscopes.
In-Reply-To: <20a.338bf7.2fa8257d@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at May 02,
2005 08:53:17 PM
Message-ID: <20050503034222.35031.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Way back in 1969 July I believe, I was told I could tour one of these boats.
> About a week before the tour I picked up a Readers Digest to read on the
> drive to Groton Conn. An article hit my eye, it covered the (Syns system)
I remember an interview there. I decided to decline because of the
many posters saying wear your badge this way, on this part of your body,
or the guards are authorized to use deadly force.
They decided not to hire me for other reasons, so I never had to
explain to my folks why I didn't want to work there. (I don't mind
defense. I just didn't like the feeling of oppression it gave me, not
unlike that in the movie Operation Crossbow.)
I have gotten in trouble for forgetting my badge or not wearing it
visibly enough; but in most places, certainly in Silicon Valley, the
suit and tie are enough to make any reminder very gentle.
I think badges are not the singular answer; they are too easy to
forge, though they do help. The real answer is a corporate policy to
say hello to anyone whom you do not recognize, identify yourself, and
ask whom the other person is, and whom they work for, and more about
what they do. It's a friendly policy that scares those with hidden
agendas, while encouraging cross fertilization of ideas.
Indeed, similar policies would be good for taking back the streets
in any neighborhood.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue May 3 07:01:33 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue May 3 07:01:47 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Large scale gyroscopes.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050503140133.74702.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > YOUR WELCOME. > I WANT TO BUILD AN ABSOLUTELY HIGH POWER MODULAR
GYROSCOPE CONTROLLED SPACESHIP, WITH AN ABSOLUTELY PERFECT, REDUNDANT, >
MODULAR, ISOLATED POWERPLANT, WITH ABSOLUTELY MINIMALISTIC, YET >
ADVANCED, HIGHEST QUALITY INSTRUMENTATION. > CHANCES OF IT HAPPENING
THOUGH: 1 IN A GOOGLEPLEX!
Remember that perfection is too inflexible to withstand change.
YEAH, AND I'VE BECOME ABSOLUTELY INFLEXIBLE TOO.
> I WISH I COULD RE-LIVE THE GOOD YEARS OF MY LIFE AGAIN, FOREVER; THE
> DAYS OF LMP1 (LITTLE METAL POWERHOUSE (C) 1).
> I'M AFRAID LITTLE METAL POWERHOUSE WILL FOREVER BE A BROKEN
> DREAM, AND A BROKEN MEMORY, WITH THE DEATH OF MY PARENT'S RELATIONSHIP,
> ENDING IN DIVORCE, BACK IN 1995, WHEN I GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL.
I remember when my father went on reserpin (sp?) a blood pressure
medication. I lost him then. He became a rigid, very depressed person
who later said the medication
"MEDICATION"!!!!
IF THE DOCTORS ARE INSUFFICIENT THIS MONTH, I AM GOING TO RESORT TO DR. FEELGOOD.
made him obsessed about suicide. It was
one of the side effects they later listed for that medication.
YEAH, THE SO-CALLED MEDICATIONS MAKE THINGS WORSE; WE THE
PEOPLE NEED DRUGS THAT WORK; DRUGS THAT CURE; DRUGS THAT HEAL;
DRUGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTE FIXTURES, FOR EVERYONE, FOR ALL, FOREVER.
> THAT WAS A VERY SAD AND DEPRESSING TIME IN MY LIFE, BUT NOW I AM JUST
> MAD; ANGRY MAD; AS MAD AS HELL; SO MAD THAT I'D LIKE TO TRAVEL TO
I think you have to recognize that much of the basis of your anger
is chemistry, not thought. Learn to separate the two. When you have
separated the two in your mind, you won't need the mental or
chemical straight jacket which keeps you from trying things.
THE CHEMICAL STRAIGHT JACKET ON MY CREATIVITY IS WHAT I GET, FOR ACTUALLY TRYING TO USE MY MIND TO THINK, IN THIS BRAIN DEAD STATE OF OKLAHOMA.
> THE CAPITAL OF THE U.S. AND PUT A BASEBALL BAT THROUGH A POLITICIAN'S
> FACE, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER EITHER WAY.
> IS THERE ANY HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY UNDER THE DEMOCRATS
> AND THE REPUBLICANS??????????
Gee, in comparison with many other countries? I kind of think so.
I think America has a history of not just surviving, but saving the
world when it most needs saving.
I'd suggest reading some of Ronald Reagan's commentaries. His
unswerving faith in the future of America took a country devastated by
stagflation
STAGFLATION!!!
DEFINATELY THE WAY THAT AMERICA IS NOW, UNDER BOTH BUSH, AND
KERRY.
I HAVE NO ALLEGIANCE TOWARD EITHER OF THEM.
I'D LIKE TO READ SOME OF REAGAN'S COMMENTARIES, IF THEY ARE SHORT
AND TO THE POINT, AND NOT LONG WINDED RAMBLING NONSENSE.
and nearly hopelessly out-gunned by the soviets, to the
robust winner of the cold war. He may not have gotten everything right,
but he did get some of the most important things right.
Much of your anger is because you are burning adrenaline at a high
rate, not unlike some kind of allergy attack.
OK.
I AM NOW CONSCIOUS THAT I HAVE ADRENALINE OVERKILL, AND MY
HEART IS SUFFERING BECAUSE OF IT!
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY DIFFERENT NATURAL WAYS AND MEANS THAT THERE ARE, FOR ADRENALINE REDUCTION?
EXCERCISE IS ONE WAY, BUT ARE THERE MANY OTHER WAYS???
You need to try to
identify why this is so, and reduce that rate.
YEAH, I NEED TO SLOW WAY WAY WAY DOWN.
I HAVE ALWAYS HAD AN ACCELLERATED NEUROLOGY, AND I HAVE
WANTED A REMEDY, YET REMEDIES ARE SUPPRESSED BY MAINSTREAM
DOCTORS, AND IF MY DOCTORS DO NOT WORK WITH ME THIS MONTH,
THEN I AM GOING TO RESORT TO DR. FEELGOOD.
I've suggested some
simple things that have helped me, like niacin and vitamin C.
NIACIN HELPED A LITTLE BIT WHEN I FIRST TRIED IT, BUT AFTER A WHILE,
IT MADE ME HAVE A PARTIAL HEADACHE, AND AT NIGHT, I WOULD WAKE
UP, WITH MY HEART FEELING LIKE IT WOULD EXPLODE, AND/OR STOP
FUNCTIONING IN MY CHEST.
And
AND SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO DO.
I NEED XANEX, OR A GOOD OVERDOSE OF PAINKILLERS RIGHT NOW.
trying to photograph,
I'D PHOTOGRAPH IF I KNEW THAT IT WOULD BENEFIT OTHERS TOO, AND
NOT JUST MYSELF.
sketch,
I HAVE DONE TWO, CUSTOM ARTWORKS, WITH THE HELP OF A LOCAL SCREENPRINTER, AND YET I CAN'T DO A LOT WITH THEM, BECAUSE I
CAN'T GET THEM ONTO THE INTERNET.
I WANT THEM ON THE INTERNET BY ANY WAYS AND MEANS POSSIBLE.
and/or describe beautiful things every
day.
I'M TRAPPED INSIDE THIS SUBURBIAN PRISON OF OUTER TULSA, AND
TRAPPED IN THIS SINKHOLE PRISON OF TULSA OKLAHOMA; ALL I CAN SEE IS
COMMUNIST SOCIALIST AND FASCIST SOCIALIST SHIT AROUND ME.
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue May 3 14:10:47 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Large scale gyroscopes.
In-Reply-To: <20050503140133.74702.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 03, 2005 07:01:33 AM
Message-ID: <20050503211045.28843.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Remember that perfection is too inflexible to withstand change.
>
>
> YEAH, AND I'VE BECOME ABSOLUTELY INFLEXIBLE TOO.
I think I understand what is going on with your neurology, and how
it affects your thoughts. I've been there when a fungus growing in
my ears was poisoning me, and again several times when exposed to
chemicals that my liver and pancreas could not clean up.
Simply put, your thoughts do not propagate very far in your brain.
Your brain tires quickly.
In a well nourished brain, a thought is kindled, resonates a while,
triggering other resonances (memories) which compete for energy. The
question is how long the thought groups compete.
In a poorly nourished brain, the resonances are few, the
competition very short before the brain runs out of energy, and the
victory very clear. That's a fast, often bright eyed, bushy tailed
idiot. And he is Certain! (Often dead wrong, but Certain!)
In a reasonably well nourished brain, the competition is less
fierce, but goes on longer before the brain tires and one resonance
wins. The person considers several things which rise up to the conscious
level.
In a well educated and well nourished person, there are far more
resonances and the brain can resonate longer before running out of
energy, so competition goes on much longer, and more alternatives rise
to consciousness. The person is not certain, often saying we ought to
try several things to see which works better. (This is where I usually
am.)
The genius... (one friend of mine) may take hours, if not days to
answer the question. His mind is loaded with resonances, they go back
and forth exciting other resonances, etc. His conscious accepts that
things may be contradictory, seeks more information, etc. Like I say, it
could take days to come up with answers because his brain is so rich in
possibilities and so willing to entertain the thoughts for a much, much
longer time before running out of steam.
> I remember when my father went on reserpin (sp?) a blood pressure
> medication. I lost him then. He became a rigid, very depressed person
> who later said the medication
>
> "MEDICATION"!!!!
>
> IF THE DOCTORS ARE INSUFFICIENT THIS MONTH, I AM GOING TO RESORT TO DR. FEELGOOD.
>
> made him obsessed about suicide. It was
> one of the side effects they later listed for that medication.
>
>
> YEAH, THE SO-CALLED MEDICATIONS MAKE THINGS WORSE; WE THE
> PEOPLE NEED DRUGS THAT WORK; DRUGS THAT CURE; DRUGS THAT HEAL;
> DRUGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTE FIXTURES, FOR EVERYONE, FOR ALL, FOREVER.
The unmedicated brain seems to do a better job in most people than
the medicated brain. But if one is in pain... it becomes difficult.
> THE CHEMICAL STRAIGHT JACKET ON MY CREATIVITY IS WHAT I GET, FOR
ACTUALLY TRYING TO USE MY MIND TO THINK, IN THIS BRAIN DEAD STATE OF
OKLAHOMA.
I don't think it's Oklahoma. I think it is the state of your brain
that's the problem. Note, I said brain, not mind. It is quite clear to
me that your mind is trying very hard to overcome the limits of your
brain. Some would say you have a good and strong soul. I see it more as
a strong mind struggling in a tired brain that is shocked by adrenaline,
drained by drugs, etc.
And I think that your brain did, once upon a time, work rather
well. If it hadn't, you probably wouldn't have developed such a strong
mind.
So we just have to get that brain back to the condition it was once
in.
> I'd suggest reading some of Ronald Reagan's commentaries. His
> unswerving faith in the future of America took a country devastated by
> stagflation
>
> STAGFLATION!!!
> DEFINATELY THE WAY THAT AMERICA IS NOW, UNDER BOTH BUSH, AND
> KERRY.
Stagflation implies high interest rates and high inflation. We don't
have either at present. A dollar last year is still worth very close to
a dollar today. In Jimmy Carter's presidency, that dollar seemed to be
losing a cent and more every month. I was making 18% on my bank
accounts, and one had to pay a quarter or a third more on money one had
borrowed for a year. But with business stalled, there were few places
to invest the money.
> I'D LIKE TO READ SOME OF REAGAN'S COMMENTARIES, IF THEY ARE SHORT
> AND TO THE POINT, AND NOT LONG WINDED RAMBLING NONSENSE.
My two favorites are:
The greatest leader is not necessarily the one who does the greatest
things. He is the one who gets the people to do the greatest things.
--Ronald Reagan
I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always
eventually triumph.
And there's purpose and worth to each and every
life. -- Ronald Reagan
> Much of your anger is because you are burning adrenaline at a high
> rate, not unlike some kind of allergy attack.
>
> OK.
> I AM NOW CONSCIOUS THAT I HAVE ADRENALINE OVERKILL, AND MY
> HEART IS SUFFERING BECAUSE OF IT!
>
> DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY DIFFERENT NATURAL WAYS AND MEANS THAT THERE ARE, FOR ADRENALINE REDUCTION?
> EXCERCISE IS ONE WAY, BUT ARE THERE MANY OTHER WAYS???
The number one thing is to find out what you are allergic to.
For me, it's exposure to the combustion products of natural gas
which sets off my adrenaline, with some types of wood smoke producing
similar but shorter symptoms. But that is me. You are different.
Yes, I've been in the state you are in, maybe not as strongly or as
long... but I well recognize some of the symptoms. As well as the
strength of the mind or soul in that brain of yours.
You need to see someone who will test your cotrisol levels, check
other aspects of your biochemistry. Check, not just throw drugs at you
to see which work, like so many psychiatrists and neurologists do.
That's why I recommend orthomolecular type doctors.
You have a strong soul, Clyde; it's just struggling in a tired
brain siting in a body with high adrenaline levels.
And I can't tell whether it is the adrenaline or the tired brain
that is the problem. Some of the drugs they give you are designed to
damp down the brain, others are designed to block adrenaline. But they
don't let your body control itself. And I don't know if your body is
broken so badly it can not control itself. I _think_ it still can, if
one fixes the part that triggers it all, then reduces the drugs
gradually.
For that, you need a good doctor like an orthomolecular specialist.
> You need to try to
> identify why this is so, and reduce that rate.
>
> YEAH, I NEED TO SLOW WAY WAY WAY DOWN.
> I HAVE ALWAYS HAD AN ACCELLERATED NEUROLOGY, AND I HAVE
>
> WANTED A REMEDY, YET REMEDIES ARE SUPPRESSED BY MAINSTREAM
They are not suppressed, they just don't have the time to think
about what is needed, nor the knowledge to think with. They use
"cookbook" medicine. The book says if he has this symptom, try this set
of drugs. That symptom? Try this other set. And next to nothing about
how the drugs may interact.
But... SYMPTOMS ARE NOT CAUSES!!! (Yes, it's me shouting.)
Damned few doctors take the time to look for causes. You need one who
will; a body doctor, not a mind doctor. Orthomolecular doctors tend to
believe that one rarely needs a psychiatrist or a psychologist. It's
the body dragging the mind, not the mind dragging the body. They see
that in most cases, when you fix the body, the mind starts working and
is quite capable of fixing the person's life.
> DOCTORS, AND IF MY DOCTORS DO NOT WORK WITH ME THIS MONTH,
>
> THEN I AM GOING TO RESORT TO DR. FEELGOOD.
I don't think simply feeling good does much... though it is
sometimes a start.
> I've suggested some
> simple things that have helped me, like niacin and vitamin C.
>
> NIACIN HELPED A LITTLE BIT WHEN I FIRST TRIED IT, BUT AFTER A WHILE,
> IT MADE ME HAVE A PARTIAL HEADACHE, AND AT NIGHT, I WOULD WAKE
> UP, WITH MY HEART FEELING LIKE IT WOULD EXPLODE, AND/OR STOP
> FUNCTIONING IN MY CHEST.
I don't know what the answers are, Clyde. I am not a doctor. All
I believe, is that there ARE answers. And that there are people who
might know some of them.
> AND SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO DO.
> I NEED XANEX, OR A GOOD OVERDOSE OF PAINKILLERS RIGHT NOW.
I feel some of your pain, or perhaps just remember some of mine
when I was in a similar situation. But still, it hurts me seeing you
suffer this way.
I know there is someone out there who knows more than I do. Here
is a web site that lists some doctors... You want a doctor listed with
an "OME", possibly one of those on this page:
OME's -- Orthomolecular Medicine
http://www.acam.org/dr_search/index.php?q=OME&search=Search&field=spec&submitted=1
I don't see any in Oklahoma... so you may need to travel. I
traveled from Connecticut all the way across the continent to California
to be treated by Dr. Cathcart. For me, it was worth the trip. He gave
me 20 good years of life. Some better than others, but when I was sick
in 1986, I couldn't walk from one end of our house to another without
having to rest, and I was falling down a lot.
Inside my head, it was as if I was lost in a huge cavern lined with
"books", only one of which I could hold at a time. Those "books" were
my thoughts, memories, and interests from before I got sick. That whole
cavern had been filled with my mind; now my mind was so small, it could
only hold one book, look at only a few pages of a book at one time.
Dr. Cathcart did a lot with nutrition, diet, vitamins. Like you, I
kept pushing, trying, looking. I discovered other things, and in
perhaps half a year under his treatment, got to the point where I could
work again at brain type jobs. It was a long hard journey back to
health... but I made it. And I hope you can too.
> trying to photograph,
>
> I'D PHOTOGRAPH IF I KNEW THAT IT WOULD BENEFIT OTHERS TOO, AND
> NOT JUST MYSELF.
Right now, the goal is to get you to the point where YOU are able
to do things. Others will come later. Getting your physical health and
attitude back is the first priority. Photography, looking for beauty via
photography, sketching and writing is important to help keep your
attitude up, and helping relax you a bit. Attitude is extremely
important, because it sets the stage for all else. If your attitude
collapses completely, you stop looking for cures. That's why photography
or sketching is important.
> I HAVE DONE TWO, CUSTOM ARTWORKS, WITH THE HELP OF A LOCAL
SCREENPRINTER, AND YET I CAN'T DO A LOT WITH THEM, BECAUSE I > CAN'T GET
THEM ONTO THE INTERNET. I WANT THEM ON THE INTERNET BY ANY WAYS AND
MEANS POSSIBLE.
Are they in digital format? If not, maybe you can have them scanned
at a local copy shop. If they are in digital format, we can do things
with them.
> and/or describe beautiful things every
> day.
>
> I'M TRAPPED INSIDE THIS SUBURBIAN PRISON OF OUTER TULSA, AND
> TRAPPED IN THIS SINKHOLE PRISON OF TULSA OKLAHOMA; ALL I CAN SEE IS
> COMMUNIST SOCIALIST AND FASCIST SOCIALIST SHIT AROUND ME.
You are trapped inside a tired brain, Clyde. With that, everything
looks bad no matter where you are.
(But yes, I have no love for the Midwest either. Not enough hills
for my taste. I did a few projects in Ohio, leaving as soon as I was
done. But I've met guys from the Midwest who can't stand our mountains!
Different people like different things.)
Hold yourself together, and you'll pull through. We're all rooting
for you, Clyde!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed May 4 12:18:43 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Wed May 4 09:19:02 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Large scale gyroscopes.
Message-ID:
In a message dated 5/3/2005 5:11:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
javilk@mall-net.com writes:
> NIACIN HELPED A LITTLE BIT WHEN I FIRST TRIED IT, BUT AFTER A WHILE,
> IT MADE ME HAVE A PARTIAL HEADACHE, AND AT NIGHT, I WOULD WAKE
> UP, WITH MY HEART FEELING LIKE IT WOULD EXPLODE, AND/OR STOP
> FUNCTIONING IN MY CHEST.
Don't take any vitamins or minerals, any kind of dietary supplements when
you are on any kind of medication without first checking with your pharmacy for
interaction problems.
There are also handbooks reasonably priced that will list everything and
anything that is contraindicated.
A good example is mixing ( aspirin ) with any product containing ( ginkgo.)
you may experience increased bleeding and be at risk from hemorrhage.
Cholesterol medication Lipitor and Zocor cannot be mixed with NIACIN. You
may experience muscle aches and or weakness. If you take St. James wort it will
decrease the effects of the drug.
Foods also will cause havoc with your body. Grapefruit juice, broccoli the
list goes on and on, expanding as we learn more about interactions between
drugs and food.
We Americans are a strange breed, we will go to a doctor with years of
education, years of experience and become disgruntled with them . We don't feel
as good as we think we should and or we think the drugs we are given take too
long to work. We doctor hop to find one that will give us something, anything
to make us feel like we want to So,.we think our doctors are incompetent,
then we expect them to read our minds, to know us better then we know
ourselves.
This is tricky, not everyone reacts to their meds. or food or bee stings the
same way. The profession tries to cover all bases but simply cannot at this
time.
Please remember, anything we ingest is going to interact with every other
thing we eat. When you introduce something new or in larger quantities you
change all the things going on in your body. Often the change is not for the good.
If you must be a mad-scientist and become a lab rat, do it properly.
Keep a journal, keep records, investigate any findings.
Unless your meds tell you to take with food, fast for 24 hours.
Day 1-3, eat only rice, plain, no salt or butter.Eat as much as you want,
drink only water.
In your journal record every 6 hours how you feel, how you slept, your moods.
Day 4-6, add butter, is there any difference with fat added, record results
as above.
Day 7-9 add salt and beans, fresh, just one kind. Record results.
Day 10 fast 24 hours.
Day 11-13, rice and beef and beans
As you fast every 10 days and continue to add one new ingredient every 3
days, sooner or later your journal should show what food makes you feel good and
goes well with your meds.
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed May 4 11:53:21 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Large scale gyroscopes.
In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at May 04,
2005 12:18:43 PM
Message-ID: <20050504185317.73628.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > NIACIN HELPED A LITTLE BIT WHEN I FIRST TRIED IT, BUT AFTER A WHILE,
> > IT MADE ME HAVE A PARTIAL HEADACHE, AND AT NIGHT, I WOULD WAKE
> > UP, WITH MY HEART FEELING LIKE IT WOULD EXPLODE, AND/OR STOP
> > FUNCTIONING IN MY CHEST.
>
> Don't take any vitamins or minerals, any kind of dietary supplements when=20
> you are on any kind of medication without first checking with your pharmacy=20=
> for interaction problems.
Excellent point! The PDR is available in some book stores (B...???
M...???) fairly inexpensively, and there are other books on pills, lay
books, available in both libraries and book stores. Know what you are
taking!
> There are also handbooks reasonably priced that will list everything and=20
> anything that is contraindicated.
Yes.
> A good example is mixing ( aspirin ) with any product containing (ginkgo)
> you may experience increased bleeding and be at risk from hemorrhage.=20
Aspirin in general is a bleeding risk.
> Cholesterol medication Lipitor and Zocor cannot be mixed with NIACIN. You =20
> may experience muscle aches and or weakness. If you take St. James wort it w=
> ill decrease the effects of the drug.
And if you do not supplement Co enzyme Q 10, you will slowly die,
as these inhibit generation of this vital item.
http:.//www.BolenReport.com/
> Foods also will cause havoc with your body. Grapefruit juice, broccoli the =20
> list goes on and on, expanding as we learn more about interactions between=20
> drugs and food.
As well as certain conditions and food.
> This is tricky, not everyone reacts to their meds. or food or bee stings the
> same way. The profession tries to cover all bases but simply cannot at this=
> time. =20
They don't have the time, the education, etc. And the drug
companies don't tell them all the details, as they really want them to
try (sell) several drugs. Most mistaken or "trial" prescriptions just
add more money to the drug companies coffers.
(Not to say drugs are not some times beneficial, even vital.
butthe sloppiness in prescribing them is not good for the patient, only
for the drug company.)
> Please remember, anything we ingest is going to interact with every other =20
> thing we eat. When you introduce something new or in larger quantities you =20
> change all the things going on in your body. Often the change is not for the=
> good.
> If you must be a mad-scientist and become a lab rat, do it properly.=20
> Keep a journal, keep records, investigate any findings.
Foods, feelings, and Faculties diary. We in the allergy / MCS
arena use this quite a bit. See http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/diary.html
Get a blood pressure cuff if you don't already have one. take
your blood pressure several times a day and log it in the book.
> Unless your meds tell you to take with food, fast for 24 hours.
> Day 1-3, eat only rice, plain, no salt or butter.Eat as much as you want, =20
> drink only water.
Abstention from salt can harm those who have poor salt retention
or porphyria issues. The kidneys use hydrogen to swap for sodium and
other species in their salt retention process. If you run low on
hydrogen, I suspect, based on porphyriacs losing salt before an attack,
that the hydrogens are taken from Porphyrinogens, converting them to the
toxic porphyrins.
> In your journal record every 6 hours how you feel, how you slept, your moods.
> Day 4-6, add butter, is there any difference with fat added, record results=20=
> as above.
Also run tests adding random numbers and other such things to see
how well and how long it takes you. If you become impaired, STOP the
test and take some salt, see if that helps in a few hours.
> Day 7-9 add salt and beans, fresh, just one kind. Record results.
> Day 10 fast 24 hours.
> Day 11-13, rice and beef and beans
> As you fast every 10 days and continue to add one new ingredient every 3 =20
> days, sooner or later your journal should show what food makes you feel good=
> and goes well with your meds.=20
> Don't drink ANYTHING but water. Now, about the water----this will be the =20
> most expensive part of your experiment. At your grocery store you can buy, b=
> y the gallon, distilled water. In my area I pay $.80 cents a gallon. Don't drink
> spring water or any bottled water, we don't know what's in the water or what=
> minerals they contain. Don't drink well water or tap water. Don't drink from=
> the office cooler, public water fountains or when you eat out.
And make sure that bottle says distilled by steam distillation, not
purified by reverse osmosis, ion exchange, or some other thing. Not all
distilled bottled water is distilled!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu May 5 15:22:00 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu May 5 15:23:03 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists]
Suffering from ALL of the following; And; MY needs.
Message-ID: <20050505222200.13520.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
Suffering from ALL of the following:
1. Environ-mental anti-ease.
2. Environ-mental ant-ease.
3. Environ-mental ill-'ness'.
4. Environ-mental dis-ease.
MY needs:
1. Perfect, balanced nutrician.
2. An air filtration system for home.
3. A water filtration system for home.
4. A direct current electrical power
system for home.
5. An adrenaline reduction drug.
6. An ANT-aphrodisiac drug.
7. An absolutely perfect, self contained
biosphere ecology, to have as a home,
to live in.
8. A mountain bike-exercise bike.
9. An intersegmental traction table.
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu May 5 15:27:08 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Tired of both pharma-pseudoscience,
and tired of herba-pseudoscience.
Message-ID: <20050505222658.16502.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
I am tired of pharma-pseudoscience, and tired of
herba-pseudoscience equally.
I want an absolution, and I need it NOW!
Clyde
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri May 6 06:06:45 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu May 5 23:07:05 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Tired of both pharma-pseudoscience,
In-Reply-To: <20050505222658.16502.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 05, 2005 03:26:56 PM
Message-ID: <20050506060645.56200.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I am tired of pharma-pseudoscience, and tired of
> herba-pseudoscience equally.
> I want an absolution, and I need it NOW!
Sometimes... one has to wait. As I learned while laying two weeks
in bed or hot bath, wracked by pain some seven ago. Coming up on the
aniversary of it this month.
I had, which I did not know at the time, simply eaten too many
carrots, pushing my potassium levels high enough to wash out magnesium
and sodium, triggering a crisis leading to a completely stalled
intestinal tract (including stomach) and kidney stones from something
else I'd taken. All in under 24 hours. Very nasty!
One of the possibilities suggested a condition which would make pain
killers very harmful to me, so I elected to tough it out myself. I
caught another doctor lying. She blanched and nearly panicked when I
asked the right questions. Never saw a doctor move so fast to get the
forms to release me "Against Medical Advice"! Nor urge anyone to sign it
and leave! Had I had a witness, I'd have had the witch up on
malpractice or attempted fraud!
Friends came, would lift me from bed to hot bath tub, others would
come by to give me some food, or some IVs while we were trying to figure
out what the heck went wrong. (I'd been trained to set my own, but
couldn't coordinate well enough. One friend jabbed me ten times before
he got it set right. I had to urge him on, it hurt him more than me.)
But patience, asking the right questions (of myself), etc. got me
through. It was not dehydration as the doctors said, it was not enough
salts with which to absorb the waters in my gut. Lots of damage from
that! The kidney stones were sharp quartz, not calcium.
I healed slowly. Cost me jobs when I did not show much energy on
interviews. (As a consultant, I am often interviewing for the next
project. And only earning when I am working.)
Only figured out the carrot connection years later when it started
happening again. But then, I knew what was happening and grabbed the
magnesium and sodium before I was dehydrated and dying.
Sometimes, you just have to try to figure it out yourself from your
own experiences with your own body. Listen to your body. Try to figure
out what it is trying to tell you. You won't always get it right, so
try things carefully. But sometimes, one's options are a bit thin.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained.
Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri May 6 06:10:39 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri May 6 06:10:50 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Tired of both pharma-pseudoscience,
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050506131039.72554.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> I am tired of pharma-pseudoscience, and tired of
> herba-pseudoscience equally.
> I want an absolution, and I need it NOW!
Sometimes... one has to wait.
MY PATIENCE IS VERY SMALL, NOW.
I GUESS THAT I NEED CLONAZEPAM AGAIN; CLONAZEPAM IS TEMPTING,
AND IT IS HIGHLY ADDICTIVE, BUT I'D RATHER NOT TAKE IT.
As I learned while laying two weeks
in bed or hot bath, wracked by pain some seven ago. Coming up on the
aniversary of it this month.
I had, which I did not know at the time, simply eaten too many
carrots, pushing my potassium levels high enough to wash out magnesium
and sodium, triggering a crisis leading to a completely stalled
intestinal tract (including stomach) and kidney stones from something
else I'd taken. All in under 24 hours. Very nasty!
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO EAT A BALANCED DIET, FOR THE MOST PART, WITH
LOTS OF NUTRIENTS, AND YET IT HASN'T HELPED ME 100%.
I PURCHASED MULTIVITAMINS THE OTHER DAY, BUT HAVE NOT TAKEN
ANY; I NEED TO TALK TO MY CHIROPRACTOR FIRST, BEFORE I TAKE
THEM; MY CHIROPRACTOR DOCTOR HAS BEEN THE MOST HELPFUL OUT
OF ALL OF THE DOCTORS THAT I HAVE HAD; HE ANSWERS LOTS OF
QUESTIONS THAT THE OTHER DOCTORS WILL NOT DO.
THE OTHER DOCTORS DO NOT HAVE THE TIME, I HAVE NOW FOUND OUT;
AND I WENT BACK TO MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN YESTERDAY, AND
HE WAS OF VERY LITTLE HELP, AND HE HAS MADE ME ANGRY TOO.
One of the possibilities suggested a condition which would make pain
killers very harmful to me, so I elected to tough it out myself.
I AM AT THE POINT NOW, TO WHERE I WANT A LIMITLESS OVERDOSE
OF PAINKILLERS, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN TOUGHING IT OUT FOR SO
DAMNED LONG, THAT I NEED A SOLUTION SOON.
I'VE GOTTA GET THIS E.M. B-WAVE ENTRAINMENT PROJECT FROM OFF
OF THE SHELF, AND GET THE SHOW ON THE ROAD WITH IT.
AND I AM GOING TO PURSUE GROWNING LOTUS FLOWERS ALSO.
I caught another doctor lying. She blanched and nearly panicked when I
asked the right questions. Never saw a doctor move so fast to get the
forms to release me "Against Medical Advice"! Nor urge anyone to sign it
and leave! Had I had a witness, I'd have had the witch up on
malpractice or attempted fraud!
YEAH, I HAVE MADE MY PHYSICIAN DOCTOR NERVOUS TOO.
Friends came, would lift me from bed to hot bath tub, others would
come by to give me some food, or some IVs while we were trying to figure
out what the heck went wrong. (I'd been trained to set my own, but
couldn't coordinate well enough. One friend jabbed me ten times before
he got it set right. I had to urge him on, it hurt him more than me.)
But patience,
PATIENCE,,,, FOR ME?,,,, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS.
asking the right questions (of myself), etc. got me
through.
I CAN COME UP WITH MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I HAVE FOUND OUT THAT
WHAT YOU HAVE SAID, THAT MAINSTREAM DOCTORS DON'T LIKE
QUESTIONS.
I MADE MY PHYSICIAN NOT ONLY NERVOUS, BUT I MADE HIM ANGRY AT
ME LAST TIME, AND HE MADE ME ANGRY BECAUSE OF THE TIME
LIMITATION, AS WELL AS HIS NOT ANSWERING ALL OF MY QUESTIONS.
It was not dehydration as the doctors said, it was not enough
salts with which to absorb the waters in my gut. Lots of damage from
that! The kidney stones were sharp quartz, not calcium.
I healed slowly. Cost me jobs when I did not show much energy on
interviews. (As a consultant, I am often interviewing for the next
project. And only earning when I am working.)
Only figured out the carrot connection years later when it started
happening again. But then, I knew what was happening and grabbed the
magnesium and sodium before I was dehydrated and dying.
I ASKED THE PSYCHIATRIC DOCTOR ABOUT MAGNESIUM DEFICIENCY,
BUT HE TALKED AS THOUGH I DO NOT HAVE A MAGNESIUM DEFICIENCY,
AND WARNED ME THAT TOO MUCH MAGNESIUM IS DANGEROUS.
Sometimes, you just have to try to figure it out yourself from your
own experiences with your own body.
I'M TRYING, BUT PROGRESS IS SLOW MOTION, WITHOUT INFINITE INFLOW
OF MONEY.
IT IS EXTREMELY STRESSFUL, FRUSTRATING, AND DISTRESSING.
Listen to your body.
OK.
I TRY TO!
Try to figure out what it is trying to tell you.
OK.
LAST NIGHT, MY GUT HURT REALLY BAD; I THOUGHT THAT IT MIGHT HAVE
BEEN FROM THE STRESS IN MY LIFE, BUT IT OCCURED TO ME LATER ON,
THAT IT COULD HAVE ALSO BEEN FROM SOME FOOD OR DRINK THAT I
HAD, EARLIER IN THE DAY.
You won't always get it right, so
try things carefully. But sometimes, one's options are a bit thin.
I HAVE TO FIGURE MONEY OUT.
MAYBE I NEVER WILL.
I DON'T HAVE THE TIME, TO WASTE ON ALL OF THE ENDLESS, NEVERENDING
COMPLICATED BULLSHIT SURROUNDING THE MAKING OF MONEY; I'VE NEVER
HAD THAT KIND OF GODDAMNED AND MANDAMNED TIME, AND I PROBABLY
NEVER WILL!
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained.
Copyright (C) 2005, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd.
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Fri May 6 18:29:21 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Fri May 6 15:29:41 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Tired of both pharma-pseudoscience,
Message-ID: <1ec.3a94e238.2fad49c1@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/6/2005 9:11:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
clydelofton@yahoo.com writes:
I HAVE TO FIGURE MONEY OUT.
MAYBE I NEVER WILL.
I DON'T HAVE THE TIME, TO WASTE ON ALL OF THE ENDLESS, NEVERENDING
COMPLICATED BULLSHIT SURROUNDING THE MAKING OF MONEY; I'VE NEVER
HAD THAT KIND OF GODDAMNED AND MANDAMNED TIME, AND I PROBABLY
NEVER WILL!
Let's see here, just how much money do you need to be happy ?
Money is a tool for humans to trade for what they need or want.
You seem to have enough money now for the basics, food clothing and shelter.
A computer is a luxury to some of us, as is any kind of medical care and it
seems you can afford to pay your doctors and the pharmacy costs for some very
expensive drugs, not to mention your inter-net access.
How does anyone get money? Lots of ways, and money can be, lets say, found
money.
Selling your time and energy to someone else will get you money. This is
called a job. What you do with this money is up to no one but you . The world
is full of options and the ones that hurt the most are the ones that will
bring in more money.
To make money there are side lines other then a day job, for quick money.
Drugs, Pimping. Kiddie porn is the cheapest form, a digital camera and a
printer. You can use your parents PC and they will never know. Until,
--- Swat team at the door, parents home over turned by cops,----- dad has
heart attack and mom goes into a nursing home. You spend the rest of your
life, if you want to call it that with your picture posted everywhere in any
place you live with "Child Molester" under you picture.
That ends easy life--Oh boy.
Another good way to make found money is to set up a Meth lab in your parents
cellar. Some problems associated with this. The chemicals are so dangerous
that when cops catch the manufactures they spray them down naked in the
street, prevents chemicals from poisoning anyone they come in contact with at
county lock up.------ Ice cold showers, naked in full view of public are not what
I call a fun weekend.
That ends easy life--Oh boy
You cannot make money by robbing a bank, a 7-11, or someone in a parking
lot. Running drugs for a friend will obligate you to do things you have never
wanted to do before in your life.
Anyone who has ever know you will laugh their ass of at you when you get
caught,.Don't matter how good a friend, they will until you are 50 years old or
longer refer to you as " That stupid Dude".
Isn't a day goes by T.V. news tells of people who kill for money or love.
Science has advanced so far it is almost impossible to get around it. The
police may catch yah, but it is the scientist that puts you in a place where you
don't worry about money as much as surviving the night.---Oh boy
You think life is hard on the streets, try living among those who would
fight to have you for their bitch. After a month you would have to wear a diaper
cause your butt hole would be 4 inches wide.
MONEY, MONEY MONEY-----
I spent some years interviewing people begging and pleading for money to
feed their brood of children. An example, ------ Husband laid off,
unemployment run out. So sad, their landlord was putting whole family on the streets in
two weeks. OUCH.----- Mother could not work, on SSI because of obesity,
she was on oxygen., yet she smoked. I noticed both parents were
smoking brand cigarettes 3.50 a pack, both wore high end sneakers, mother had
false nails that cost $50.00 a pop at salon. Don't you just love America.
So, if money is a problem, it is only if you let it. This is your life,
you make the decisions that make it a good life or a miserable one. You can't
blame the government, cant blame your parents, can't blame society or blame
the drug dealer that shorted you a gram of what ever.
You want and need money, so what else is new, we all do.
You have no idea what problems we who care about you have . . We do we care,
because you are one of us, a human, feeling, hurting human. We have all
been there. All humans at one time or another get to where you are, perhaps for
a day, perhaps for a year..
The thing that gives us the edge, the ability to go on and recoup our lives
is because we refuse to be bowed by life. We are the mad-scientists and no
scientist I know of gives up on anything , much less life.
Being a mad-scientist involves work. You cannot investigate anything unless
you work at it. Work at a brain dead job for 8 hours, come home and spend
another 8 hours on your project. Weekends 12 to 18 hours a day on the project.
You must love your project as you would yourself. More then your self.
So Clyde, you need to get on the stick, I enjoy hearing of your dreams and
desires in life. However I am so tired of your personal health, you keep giving
us excuses of why you cannot complete your project.
I would have a difficult time finding anyone who gave a damn if Sagan had
troubles taking a shit ?
GET OVER IT, if you give a damn about your dreams, get out there do
something. GET A JOB, sling burgers and nights go to a community college. You are
young, you can network find people with common interests.
I believe you have a fine mind, too good to waste, from what you have
written you must be a person who can get out there and do amazing things. I
believe in you, you have the fire and intensity to change your life around.
Perhaps and it is a possibility that someday it will be you who can give to
humanity a gift that will bring much benefit to us and your decendents.
Regards Vesta
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sat May 7 00:39:43 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri May 6 17:40:33 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Tired of both pharma-pseudoscience,
In-Reply-To: <1ec.3a94e238.2fad49c1@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at May 06,
2005 06:29:21 PM
Message-ID: <20050507003943.46775.qmail@mall-net.com>
y> I HAVE TO FIGURE MONEY OUT.
> MAYBE I NEVER WILL.
Sure you will, Clyde. What I see as your problem is that right
now, with your brain being tired and jolted a lot, you see things as
black and white, and find it hard to imagine.
When your health is in your way, everything becomes very
frustrating! When your health gets better, all kinds of possibilities
start becoming visible!!!
Relax, let some of the gray, and colors back into your life. With
that, you will start to seem more.
Your health is number one. That and inspiration to keep the
attitude up.
One of the bigger lies in our common social mythology, is that
opportunity only knocks once. Opportunity is like clutter at your feet!
All kinds of things... from sweeping the sidewalks for store owners, to
I don't know what, have been done for profit by those who saw a need.
And if you can't use whatever opportunities fall your way, pass them on
to others who will pass things they see on to you.
I'm a member of a digest written by a guy who gets opportunities
thrown at him. very accomplished in marketing, multi-national, etc.
What's his secret? He's fascinated by just about everything he sees. He
talks to people, encourages them, passes opportunities on left and
right. And so gets invited places. And many of us write little
articles for his digest. I just did one about web shopping carts that he
though was a very interesting take on the problems in the field -- they
are not problems! They are Opportunities to do better than your
competitors!!!
> Selling your time and energy to someone else will get you money. This is
> called a job. What you do with this money is up to no one but you . The world
> is full of options and the ones that hurt the most are the ones that will
> bring in more money.
I've always enjoyed working, making things others see as useful.
I'm kind of embarrassed selling photographs (scenics, flowers, etc.),
because they are not "useful" like the tools I've built for others; but
nevertheless, some find some of my photos inspiring, so... if they are
willing to pay me, I'll take the money. Besides, I really enjoy the
hunt for interesting images.
> To make money there are side lines other then a day job, for quick money.
> Drugs, Pimping. Kiddie porn is the cheapest form, a digital camera and a
Aahh.. as you point out, there are some stress related factors with
such work.
> Isn't a day goes by T.V. news tells of people who kill for money or love.
> Science has advanced so far it is almost impossible to get around it. The
> police may catch yah, but it is the scientist that puts you in a place where you
> don't worry about money as much as surviving the night.---Oh boy
Crime is basically a high stress job. Sitting at the desk is far
easier.
Reminds me of the study they did on heart conditions. The ideal
cardiovascular exercise is longshoreman type work -- unloading ships at
the docks. So these researchers tried to do age matched studies on some
retired executives, and retired longshoremen. The executives... many
are on heart drugs, taking blood pressure several times a day, but
surviving to their 70's and 80's. Ok. Now let's get some retired
longshoremen... let's try harder to find some retired longshoremen...
lets' go through some union hall records and try to find these retired
longshoremen.... The finally found them -- in cemeteries. Most were
dead of alcoholism, gunshot wounds, died in drunken car accidents, knife
fights, etc. etc. etc. DEAD! Conclusion: executives live longer. Why?
They live respectable honorable lives. Meaning, they don't get other
people angry enough to fight them.
> I spent some years interviewing people begging and pleading for money to
> feed their brood of children. An example, ------ Husband laid off,
> unemployment run out. So sad, their landlord was putting whole family on the streets in
> two weeks. OUCH.----- Mother could not work, on SSI because of obesity,
> she was on oxygen., yet she smoked. I noticed both parents were
> smoking brand cigarettes 3.50 a pack, both wore high end sneakers, mother had
> false nails that cost $50.00 a pop at salon. Don't you just love America.
Ah yes... priorities. Or some of my neighbors who are drunks.
But you know, an old carpet bagger (carpet salesman/businessman)
told me, you need to be in something, something that makes you want to
do better. For some (like him) it was running around with a mistress or
two, for others, it's flying, or fly fishing, or one guy I know,
collecting antique Tiffany glassware... If you really want to do
something, you will find the way to make the time and money for it. And
do it legally.
> So, if money is a problem, it is only if you let it. This is your life,
> you make the decisions that make it a good life or a miserable one. You can't
> blame the government, cant blame your parents, can't blame society or blame
> the drug dealer that shorted you a gram of what ever.
> You have no idea what problems we who care about you have . . We do we care,
> because you are one of us, a human, feeling, hurting human. We have all
> been there. All humans at one time or another get to where you are, perhaps for
> a day, perhaps for a year..
Yes!
> The thing that gives us the edge, the ability to go on and recoup our lives
> is because we refuse to be bowed by life. We are the mad-scientists and no
> scientist I know of gives up on anything , much less life.
Well put! Well put!
> Being a mad-scientist involves work. You cannot investigate anything unless
> you work at it. Work at a brain dead job for 8 hours, come home and spend
> another 8 hours on your project. Weekends 12 to 18 hours a day on the project.
>
> You must love your project as you would yourself. More then your self.
Yes. When I was dying 20 years ago, I kept on trying to build that
ultimate system that would allow anyone to use a computer. NOTHING ELSE
MATTERED! (That's also why I survived -- I had a goal!)
> So Clyde, you need to get on the stick, I enjoy hearing of your dreams and
> desires in life. However I am so tired of your personal health, you keep giving
> us excuses of why you cannot complete your project.
Well, Clyde is asking us for help. Few of us could survive alone.
I would have died without my friends when I had that kidney problem.
Or before. The list owner of a health mailing list drove two hours to
help me, because I contributed so much to her list in the past, and have
since then as well.
We need to keep encouraging him, doing some research on his medical
condition like some friends of mine did for mine, etc. 20 years ago,
when I had a potentially lethal fungus infection, my friends kept me
alive. Same thing 7 years ago. I am one who gives of myself to my
friends. All my close friends know that if they are in trouble they can
call me any time of the day or night, and I will at least talk them
through the hard times in life. I am there for them, so they are there
for me the few times I've really been in a jam.
> I would have a difficult time finding anyone who gave a damn if Sagan had
> troubles taking a shit ?
Carl? His fans would have had a medical team there to help him.
Heck his fans included people in medicine.
Clyde's problems are different. Part of them are related to the
medications he's getting, as well as other medical problems. They are
all pulling him down, and some of us feel that, having walked in his
painful shoes before, we need to encourage him.
I believe a good part of his lack imagination with respect to
things like money and government, is related to propagation depth of
ideas, which is a brain fatigue problem.
It's classical for those with chemical allergies as well as
diabetes. (Another friend was a diabetic.) I've been there, survived,
and lead a productive life for a good time afterwards. At lest till
they stuck that MTBE in the gasoline. And now it's the nitrous oxides
from Gasohol. But I know others who are not affected by that, who get it
from faint traces of pesticides which are not strong enough to affect
me.
We know the brain fog and sudden loss of imagination, and the
effects on life first hand. That's why I keep saying that it's a
temporary brain condition, and will clear up when health is restored.
> GET OVER IT, if you give a damn about your dreams, get out there do
> something. GET A JOB, sling burgers and nights go to a community college. You are
> young, you can network find people with common interests.
I believe Clyde has some kind of job. But his primary job now,
regardless of what else he is being paid to do, is to re-kindle his
interest in the beauty of life, and get healthy. The two go together.
> I believe you have a fine mind, too good to waste, from what you have
> written you must be a person who can get out there and do amazing things. I
> believe in you, you have the fire and intensity to change your life around.
> Perhaps and it is a possibility that someday it will be you who can give to
> humanity a gift that will bring much benefit to us and your decendents.
As for myself, the work of mad science is fun in itself, the
playing with interesting, fascinating ideas to see what I can create.
If anyone else gets something out of it is just an added kick. (Though
that is usually how one makes the money.) The real kick is in playing
with the ideas just for the sake of curiosity and seeing how they fit
together.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sat May 7 01:06:10 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri May 6 18:06:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Tired of both pharma-pseudoscience,
In-Reply-To: <20050506131039.72554.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 06, 2005 06:10:39 AM
Message-ID: <20050507010610.63196.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Friends came, would lift me from bed to hot bath tub, others would
> come by to give me some food, or some IVs while we were trying to figure
> out what the heck went wrong. (I'd been trained to set my own, but
> couldn't coordinate well enough. One friend jabbed me ten times before
> he got it set right. I had to urge him on, it hurt him more than me.)
>
> But patience,
>
> PATIENCE,,,, FOR ME?,,,, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS.
>
> asking the right questions (of myself), etc. got me
> through.
>
> I CAN COME UP WITH MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I HAVE FOUND OUT THAT
> WHAT YOU HAVE SAID, THAT MAINSTREAM DOCTORS DON'T LIKE
> QUESTIONS.
Many don't. But there are many doctors who will take the time to
answer questions if asked in a calm manner. You just have to find them.
> I MADE MY PHYSICIAN NOT ONLY NERVOUS, BUT I MADE HIM ANGRY AT
> ME LAST TIME, AND HE MADE ME ANGRY BECAUSE OF THE TIME
> LIMITATION, AS WELL AS HIS NOT ANSWERING ALL OF MY QUESTIONS.
What are your questions? If they are reasonable in his eyes, (and
since you have other eyes, not all questions reasonable to you will seem
reasonable to him), it is his responsibility to answer them. Medicine
isn't supposed to be just about pills, it is supposed to be about advice
on how to live and heal.
> I ASKED THE PSYCHIATRIC DOCTOR ABOUT MAGNESIUM DEFICIENCY,
> BUT HE TALKED AS THOUGH I DO NOT HAVE A MAGNESIUM DEFICIENCY,
> AND WARNED ME THAT TOO MUCH MAGNESIUM IS DANGEROUS.
Has he ever tested for it? (Are you constipated, have a feeling
like your _stomach_ is not emptying into the intestinal tract within a
few hours of your last meal, etc.? That's one set of symptoms of
chronic low magnesium.)
Too much of anything is dangerous. You can die from drinking too
much water. In fact, some people have died from drinking too much water
in too short a time. Same with too little water. Everything is deadly
in the right (or perhaps we should say wrong) quantities.
> Sometimes, you just have to try to figure it out yourself from your
> own experiences with your own body.
>
> I'M TRYING, BUT PROGRESS IS SLOW MOTION, WITHOUT INFINITE INFLOW
> OF MONEY.
>
> IT IS EXTREMELY STRESSFUL, FRUSTRATING, AND DISTRESSING.
Yes, but that's part of the art of life.
The ultimate hell, is where your every wish is catered to, for
without difficulty, there is no sense of accomplishment, and without
that, you find you have no self worth, and soon, no sense of whom you
are.
>
> Listen to your body.
>
> OK.
>
> I TRY TO!
>
> Try to figure out what it is trying to tell you.
>
> OK.
>
> LAST NIGHT, MY GUT HURT REALLY BAD; I THOUGHT THAT IT MIGHT HAVE
> BEEN FROM THE STRESS IN MY LIFE, BUT IT OCCURED TO ME LATER ON,
> THAT IT COULD HAVE ALSO BEEN FROM SOME FOOD OR DRINK THAT I
> HAD, EARLIER IN THE DAY.
Diary! keep that diary. So next time you have that problem, you
can see what else was similar in that day to a few days before.
> You won't always get it right, so
> try things carefully. But sometimes, one's options are a bit thin.
>
> I HAVE TO FIGURE MONEY OUT.
As I said in the other post, you will, when your health improves.
It's an imagination thing. Those who do what they are told get the
small dollars. Those who imagine what needs to be done get the large
dollars.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat May 7 17:07:14 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Sat May 7 14:07:25 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Kids can be a pain
Message-ID: <89.2680fbb1.2fae8802@aol.com>
I have this first born son who loves to get me crazy. He came waltzing in
today and after small talk decides to pounce on me- full throttle----- full
speed ahead.
He watches a t.v. program CSI and something on one of the shows gave him
pause to thought.
He knows I took a class on DNA a couple of years ago, so, he asked me a
question that has jammed the gears in my mind. Perhaps there is someone out
there who can help me answer this grown up brat I raised.
He wants to know, since DNA can be found in just a drop of blood, if a
person gets a blood transfusion can the DNA in the transfusion plus the persons
own DNA be detected in the lab.
Interesting question, my knee jerk reaction was no. Then I began to give
this some thought. We danced around the idea, my text book are long gone, I
could not reference anything, --------the smarty pants-- I hate it when one of
my kids get that GOTCHA look on their face.
He wants to write to that CSI program and suggest this as a plot line.
Thinking of DNA as a plot line has given me some ideas but they must match science.
He went on and on, driving my mind into jello. I know there is something
wrong with his question, but then, sometimes life is stranger than fiction.
I tried to tell him that every thing in the blood would be absorbed within
minutes. But for every reason I could come up with he had a response. Kid
should have gone to law school,------- NO,----- I should have gone to law
school.
Here is his script, man gets cut, bleeding every where. Man goes to
emergency room and is given 2 pints of blood. Man for what ever reason leaves
hospital after ripping needle from arm. On the street man is stabbed by someone
waiting for him. Man dies. Police swipe all blood found at the scene. Now, will
the DNA from transfusion show up when processed????
I still say no, but I need a good explanation to give for my thoughts.
By the way, I live in New Hampshire, on the coast. Weather today for May
07-05
Temp. 41 wind chill 37 gale warnings high winds and rain, coming
down in sheets, cold miserable.
Who would believe that May in New England we would need to bring in wood for
the fireplace.
First time at this time of year I have corn chowder on the stove and bread
baking in the oven. Only thing missing is eggnog and rum. Got to run
before state booze store closes and hope I can find eggnog at grocery store.
Regards Vesta
To know someone well, you must see what makes make them angry.
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sat May 7 15:31:43 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Kids can be a pain
In-Reply-To: <89.2680fbb1.2fae8802@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at May 07,
2005 05:07:14 PM
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> He wants to know, since DNA can be found in just a drop of blood, if a
> person gets a blood transfusion can the DNA in the transfusion plus the persons
> own DNA be detected in the lab.
Red blood cells have no DNA. All one can do, is type them.
Not all things in blood are blood cells. One has white blood
cells, plenty of antibodies, cellular debris, parasites (yep, ever see
your blood on a live cell microscope?)
> Here is his script, man gets cut, bleeding every where. Man goes to
> emergency room and is given 2 pints of blood. Man for what ever reason leaves
> hospital after ripping needle from arm. On the street man is stabbed by someone
> waiting for him. Man dies. Police swipe all blood found at the scene. Now, will
> the DNA from transfusion show up when processed????
Damned good question! First, two pints is a bit much... but...
that's what's needed to make the plot work. Ok, so he was brought in in
a stretcher.
Guy sees enemy coming into hospital and flees. (Not hard to pull
out an IV line, just have to hold one's finger over the spot for a
while. Bit harder to do while dressing.)
So they have three sets of DNA from the crime scene. Add a dog
injured to the scuffle for even more fun, or some wino who gets a split
lip or busted nose stumbling into the fracas, and bleeds too.
They profile and arrest the blood donor, a former convict. (Donor
because he can't get a good job because of his prison record.) Say he
was a donor for pay, cousin to the wino, typically no reliable alibi
either. Four blood samples = conspiracy. Wino later reported by hospital
staff too high in alcohol to be perpetrator. Cousin found to be cashing
check (security video, fingerprints, time-date stamps on some check from
another blood clinic) on other side of town at time of incident. And
then they trace victim back to hospital because of strange sub-skin
bleeding at site of pulled IV line, which had initially been though to
be an drug use. Now, we finally have one reasonably clean set of DNA we
are looking for.
Mafia hit man over some real-estate deal. Toss in cameo appearance
of Donald Trump saying he was approached by the deceased over a deal
which he turned down because he just didn't have the class.
> I still say no, but I need a good explanation to give for my thoughts.
Don't know! I'd be tempted to say that processing the blood would
make it obscure.
However, we can salvage the plot by using blood typing in the
initial investigation, and the DNA sampling taking a lot longer that
expected because of some strike or other odd pretext. Blood
recipient got universal blood due to shortage of his type.
> Who would believe that May in New England we would need to bring in wood for
> the fireplace.
The year without a summer. Also some year around 1955-57.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From Cswain136 at cs.com Sat May 7 19:38:59 2005
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Date: Sat May 7 16:39:12 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Kids can be a pain
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Vesta...One of the Patricia Cornwell pieces of fiction had this as its
premise...however it was a victim that had a bone marrow transplant. She researches
her stuff fairly well, but to make sure, call your state Office of the
Medical Examiner...I'll never tell your son. Caren
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun May 8 12:48:04 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun May 8 12:49:06 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Tired of both pharma-pseudoscience,
In-Reply-To: <1ec.3a94e238.2fad49c1@aol.com>
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I WAS THINKING: IF THERE WAS PLENTY OF MONEY FOR EVERYONE,
THEN WOULD THERE BE NO FIGHTING, OR WAR ON EARTH, LIKE THERE
IS TODAY, AND IN THE PAST?
ALTHOUGH, I THINK FIGHTING AND WAR WILL PROBABLY ALWAYS EXIST,
EVEN IF MONEY WEREN'T AN ISSUE FOR ANYONE AT ALL.
I'M A PERSON WHO LIKES QUALITY AND QUANTITY, BUT I HAVEN'T
ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY.
BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL, I DIDN'T GIVE A DAMN IF I HAD A DELOREAN, OR A
FORD PINTO, FOR A CAR, AND SO I DROVE THE PIECE OF SHIT PINTO CAR THAT
MY DAD BOUGHT SECOND HAND FROM A GUY WHO HE WORKED WITH,
WHEN HE WAS WORKING FOR ROCKWELL, OR MCDONNELL DOUGLAS, BUT
NOW, THAT I AM OLDER, I ONLY WANT QUALITY THINGS, AS WELL AS
REDUNDANCY TOO, BECAUSE I HAD TO SETTLE FOR SHIT WHEN I WAS
YOUNGER, AND I AM SICK OF CEASELESS SHIT.
AND I KNOW THAT QUALITY AND REDUNDANCY ARE EXPENSIVE, AND THAT
THEY HAVE TO BE WORKED FOR, BUT GODDAMN, HOW CAN ANYONE
EXPECT TO GET AHEAD, WHEN LIFE IS AN INFINITE AND ABSOLUTE
BRICK WALL, THAT HAS TO BE FOREVER BLASTED THROUGH?
ANTITIME, ANTIMONEY, ANTISPACE, AND ANTIENERGY ARE INFINITE,
AS WELL AS ABSOLUTE OBSTACLES, IN AN INFINITE AND ABSOLUTE
OBSTACLE COURSE, OF BRICK, AND MOUNTAINS OF SOLID GRANITE.
CLYDE
Vesta111@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 5/6/2005 9:11:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes:
I HAVE TO FIGURE MONEY OUT.
MAYBE I NEVER WILL.
I DON'T HAVE THE TIME, TO WASTE ON ALL OF THE ENDLESS, NEVERENDING
COMPLICATED BULLSHIT SURROUNDING THE MAKING OF MONEY; I'VE NEVER
HAD THAT KIND OF GODDAMNED AND MANDAMNED TIME, AND I PROBABLY
NEVER WILL!
Let's see here, just how much money do you need to be happy ?
Money is a tool for humans to trade for what they need or want.
You seem to have enough money now for the basics, food clothing and shelter. A computer is a luxury to some of us, as is any kind of medical care and it seems you can afford to pay your doctors and the pharmacy costs for some very expensive drugs, not to mention your inter-net access.
How does anyone get money? Lots of ways, and money can be, lets say, found money.
Selling your time and energy to someone else will get you money. This is called a job. What you do with this money is up to no one but you . The world is full of options and the ones that hurt the most are the ones that will bring in more money.
To make money there are side lines other then a day job, for quick money. Drugs, Pimping. Kiddie porn is the cheapest form, a digital camera and a printer. You can use your parents PC and they will never know. Until, --- Swat team at the door, parents home over turned by cops,----- dad has heart attack and mom goes into a nursing home. You spend the rest of your life, if you want to call it that with your picture posted everywhere in any place you live with "Child Molester" under you picture.
That ends easy life--Oh boy.
Another good way to make found money is to set up a Meth lab in your parents cellar. Some problems associated with this. The chemicals are so dangerous that when cops catch the manufactures they spray them down naked in the street, prevents chemicals from poisoning anyone they come in contact with at county lock up.------ Ice cold showers, naked in full view of public are not what I call a fun weekend.
That ends easy life--Oh boy
You cannot make money by robbing a bank, a 7-11, or someone in a parking lot. Running drugs for a friend will obligate you to do things you have never wanted to do before in your life.
Anyone who has ever know you will laugh their ass of at you when you get caught,.Don't matter how good a friend, they will until you are 50 years old or longer refer to you as " That stupid Dude".
Isn't a day goes by T.V. news tells of people who kill for money or love. Science has advanced so far it is almost impossible to get around it. The police may catch yah, but it is the scientist that puts you in a place where you don't worry about money as much as surviving the night.---Oh boy
You think life is hard on the streets, try living among those who would fight to have you for their bitch. After a month you would have to wear a diaper cause your butt hole would be 4 inches wide.
MONEY, MONEY MONEY-----
I spent some years interviewing people begging and pleading for money to feed their brood of children. An example, ------ Husband laid off, unemployment run out. So sad, their landlord was putting whole family on the streets in two weeks. OUCH.----- Mother could not work, on SSI because of obesity, she was on oxygen., yet she smoked. I noticed both parents were smoking brand cigarettes 3.50 a pack, both wore high end sneakers, mother had false nails that cost $50.00 a pop at salon. Don't you just love America.
So, if money is a problem, it is only if you let it. This is your life, you make the decisions that make it a good life or a miserable one. You can't blame the government, cant blame your parents, can't blame society or blame the drug dealer that shorted you a gram of what ever.
You want and need money, so what else is new, we all do.
You have no idea what problems we who care about you have . . We do we care, because you are one of us, a human, feeling, hurting human. We have all been there. All humans at one time or another get to where you are, perhaps for a day, perhaps for a year..
The thing that gives us the edge, the ability to go on and recoup our lives is because we refuse to be bowed by life. We are the mad-scientists and no scientist I know of gives up on anything , much less life.
Being a mad-scientist involves work. You cannot investigate anything unless you work at it. Work at a brain dead job for 8 hours, come home and spend another 8 hours on your project. Weekends 12 to 18 hours a day on the project.
You must love your project as you would yourself. More then your self.
So Clyde, you need to get on the stick, I enjoy hearing of your dreams and desires in life. However I am so tired of your personal health, you keep giving us excuses of why you cannot complete your project.
I would have a difficult time finding anyone who gave a damn if Sagan had troubles taking a shit ?
GET OVER IT, if you give a damn about your dreams, get out there do something. GET A JOB, sling burgers and nights go to a community college. You are young, you can network find people with common interests.
I believe you have a fine mind, too good to waste, from what you have written you must be a person who can get out there and do amazing things. I believe in you, you have the fire and intensity to change your life around. Perhaps and it is a possibility that someday it will be you who can give to humanity a gift that will bring much benefit to us and your decendents.
Regards Vesta
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun May 8 15:43:56 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun May 8 15:44:20 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ANTIMONEY.
Message-ID: <20050508224357.53712.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
ANTIMONEY MAKES ME NERVOUS AS HELL,
AND MAKES ME MISERABLE AS HELL.
TOO MUCH MONEY MAKES ME NERVOUS
AS HELL.
MORE MONEY IS NEVER ENOUGH.
ENDLESS HANDS ON PROJECTS REQUIRE
ENDLESS (SUMS) (OF) MONEY.
ANTIMONEY IS A PRISON.
OVER-ABUNDANCE OF MONEY IS SOMEWHAT
OF A PRISON.
MONEY WORRIES NEVER END I GUESS.
IT CERTAINLY MAKES THE FUTURE LOOK
BLEAK, AT LEAST IT DOES, FOR ME.
CLYDE
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun May 8 15:53:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Tired of both pharma-pseudoscience,
In-Reply-To: <20050508194804.77785.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 08, 2005 12:48:04 PM
Message-ID: <20050508225356.24356.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I WAS THINKING: IF THERE WAS PLENTY OF MONEY FOR EVERYONE,
> THEN WOULD THERE BE NO FIGHTING, OR WAR ON EARTH, LIKE THERE
> IS TODAY, AND IN THE PAST?
Economics 101: In Germany, after world war one, there was plenty
of money. The government printing presses were printing it as fast as it
could be printed. As a result, to get a loaf of bread, you had to use a
wheelbarrow to carry the money to buy it with. And the next day, it cost
more.
Too many dollars chasing too few goods is called inflation.
Germany had hyper-inflation.
Too many goods with not enough dollars is called recession. Goods
do not get bought in the stores.
Money is elastic, it is worth no more than people believe it is, no
more than they are willing to work for it, nor trade it for other goods
and services.
Of such is built monetary policy. Alan Greenspan, et al.
> BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL, I DIDN'T GIVE A DAMN IF I HAD A DELOREAN, OR A
> FORD PINTO, FOR A CAR, AND SO I DROVE THE PIECE OF SHIT PINTO CAR THAT
> MY DAD BOUGHT SECOND HAND FROM A GUY WHO HE WORKED WITH,
> WHEN HE WAS WORKING FOR ROCKWELL, OR MCDONNELL DOUGLAS, BUT
> NOW, THAT I AM OLDER, I ONLY WANT QUALITY THINGS, AS WELL AS
> REDUNDANCY TOO, BECAUSE I HAD TO SETTLE FOR SHIT WHEN I WAS
> YOUNGER, AND I AM SICK OF CEASELESS SHIT.
That is best, which fills the need for the least amount of
dollars, letting you fill other needs with dollars you have left.
> AND I KNOW THAT QUALITY AND REDUNDANCY ARE EXPENSIVE, AND THAT
> THEY HAVE TO BE WORKED FOR, BUT GODDAMN, HOW CAN ANYONE
> EXPECT TO GET AHEAD, WHEN LIFE IS AN INFINITE AND ABSOLUTE
> BRICK WALL, THAT HAS TO BE FOREVER BLASTED THROUGH?
If you believe that all is a brick wall, then you have already
given up. You have already determined what is, and are just trying to
justify not doing anything about it. You are no longer looking for
other ways around the obstacles. Often the very obstacles are sources
of opportunities.
The most valuable lesson I learned in my whole life, was sitting
with my grandfather when I was three or four. I wanted to do something
that I could not. He said to look for a way, there is always a way, you
just have to find it. This was a man who studied under Pavlov, built a
fortune, became a diplomat, suffered a major heart attack which left him
barely able to do anything, lost the fortune as WW-II began, fought his
way out of Europe with his family in WW-II, rebuilt his life in America,
etc. And his most important lesson was "Look for a way, there is always
a way! You just have to find it."
> ANTITIME, ANTIMONEY, ANTISPACE, AND ANTIENERGY ARE INFINITE,
> AS WELL AS ABSOLUTE OBSTACLES, IN AN INFINITE AND ABSOLUTE
> OBSTACLE COURSE, OF BRICK, AND MOUNTAINS OF SOLID GRANITE.
I love the so called "death march" projects in industry. They are
often easy to get going, because the people are not thinking. And I
do, I see the alternate ways. And we get it done faster, better,
easier.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue May 10 12:22:56 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue May 10 12:23:10 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Angry and tired.
Message-ID: <20050510192256.70769.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
I am angry and my brain is tired;
just as Javilk said, about my tired
brain.
I felt like my brain was going to
explode, earlier this morning, and
I am still as miserble as hell right
now.
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue May 10 13:07:42 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Angry and tired.
In-Reply-To: <20050510192256.70769.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 10, 2005 12:22:56 PM
Message-ID: <20050510200736.41334.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I am angry and my brain is tired;
> just as Javilk said, about my tired
> brain.
> I felt like my brain was going to
> explode, earlier this morning, and
> I am still as miserble as hell right
> now.
Not a great day up here either, as everything dry's out after the
rains and mold is lofted and blown about.
Which reminds me, I got dehydrated last night because of the lung
irritation mold causes. Are you drinking enough water? Not getting
enough water will cause a lot of problems. Like wicked head aches.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue May 10 13:33:16 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Tue May 10 13:33:28 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Angry and tired.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050510203316.56695.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com>
one of my favorites is mint and pepper in water, with
a little lemon. not sure if it actually has any proven
medical benefits, but it makes for a great tea/soup.
Bob
--- javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> > I am angry and my brain is tired;
> > just as Javilk said, about my tired
> > brain.
> > I felt like my brain was going to
> > explode, earlier this morning, and
> > I am still as miserble as hell right
> > now.
>
> Not a great day up here either, as everything
> dry's out after the
> rains and mold is lofted and blown about.
>
> Which reminds me, I got dehydrated last night
> because of the lung
> irritation mold causes. Are you drinking enough
> water? Not getting
> enough water will cause a lot of problems. Like
> wicked head aches.
>
> -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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> practices
> orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend
> mine.
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> Fungus allergies
> Dr.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue May 10 20:45:58 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue May 10 13:46:00 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Angry and tired.
In-Reply-To: <20050510203316.56695.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at May 10, 2005 01:33:16 PM
Message-ID: <20050510204558.85698.qmail@mall-net.com>
> one of my favorites is mint and pepper in water, with
> a little lemon. not sure if it actually has any proven
> medical benefits, but it makes for a great tea/soup.
Red peppers can raise body temperature, and that will improve many
allergy situations; particularly those caused by low body temperature.
One has to be careful of mint and peppermint though; Those with
porphyria as well as those taking drugs which are detoxified via the
Cytochrome P450 pathway can experience some toxic effects. I seem to
have this problem.
What we really need, is humanoids with interchangeable parts.
Detox pathways not working? Unbolt the liver and pancreas for
the upgrade models.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue May 10 15:04:32 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue May 10 15:05:14 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Angry and tired.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050510220432.7212.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> one of my favorites is mint and pepper in water, with
> a little lemon. not sure if it actually has any proven
> medical benefits, but it makes for a great tea/soup.
Red peppers can raise body temperature, and that will improve many
allergy situations; particularly those caused by low body temperature.
I AM THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO SMOKE SPEARMINT, IF I CAN OBTAIN
SOME.
I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF ENDURING THIS NEUROLOGICAL HELL, AND THE
ANGER TOO!
CLYDE
One has to be careful of mint and peppermint though; Those with
porphyria as well as those taking drugs which are detoxified via the
Cytochrome P450 pathway can experience some toxic effects. I seem to
have this problem.
What we really need, is humanoids with interchangeable parts.
Detox pathways not working? Unbolt the liver and pancreas for
the upgrade models.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue May 10 15:07:50 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I FORGOT TO MENTION IN THE PAST....
Message-ID: <20050510220741.11870.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
I FORGOT TO MENTION IN THE PAST, THAT I
DO JOURNAL!
IT IS FRUSTRATING AS ALL HELL, WHEN I
CANNOT GET LISTED PRIORITIES ACCOMPLISHED,
DUE TO FINANCIAL SHIT ALWAYS SCREWING
PROGRESS UP.
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue May 10 15:14:36 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Angry and tired.
In-Reply-To: <20050510220432.7212.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 10, 2005 03:04:32 PM
Message-ID: <20050510221432.66176.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > one of my favorites is mint and pepper in water, with
> > a little lemon. not sure if it actually has any proven
> > medical benefits, but it makes for a great tea/soup.
>
> Red peppers can raise body temperature, and that will improve many
> allergy situations; particularly those caused by low body temperature.
>
>
> I AM THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO SMOKE SPEARMINT, IF I CAN OBTAIN
While I don't really know much about spearmint, any smoking
produces carbon monoxide, polyaromatic hydrocarbons, and quite a lot of
nasty toxic crud whic is generally hazardous to the lungs in the long
run.
And if one has any kind of problems with the liver and pancreas,
such as Porphyria or Porphyrinuria, then smoke can cause quite a bit of
trouble. Most people with such problems find themselves unable to be in
the same setting as a person smoking, incense, or, depending on
severity, anything burning.
> I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF ENDURING THIS NEUROLOGICAL HELL, AND THE
> ANGER TOO!
Well, I don't think you want to rile up the adrenals even more with
smoking anything. Not a good idea.
One can not shortcut the determination of what is wrong without
knowing what is wrong. Whic means you have to takethe time to find out
what is wrong...
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue May 10 22:21:15 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue May 10 15:21:17 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I FORGOT TO MENTION IN THE PAST....
In-Reply-To: <20050510220741.11870.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 10, 2005 03:07:41 PM
Message-ID: <20050510222115.71769.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I FORGOT TO MENTION IN THE PAST, THAT I
> DO JOURNAL!
> IT IS FRUSTRATING AS ALL HELL, WHEN I
> CANNOT GET LISTED PRIORITIES ACCOMPLISHED,
> DUE TO FINANCIAL SHIT ALWAYS SCREWING
> PROGRESS UP.
Yep. Par for the course. I'm trying to set up some wireless lan
stuff on a PC from the netherworld of HP. Once upon a time, HP really
meant something. Now... it's just unsupported trash, probably made in
China, with a too small boot sector. The only distro I can run on this
thing is SuSE, which is crap. Etc.
And Lunksys just said they most assuredly do not support Linux.
I'd like to smash some atoms, just for the sake of smashing some
atoms, but can't even afford decent detectors.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue May 10 15:52:12 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue May 10 15:52:21 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Angry and tired.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050510225212.70044.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com>
ALRIGHT.
I'VE MADE SOME SMALL AMOUNT OF PROGRESS ON
THE E.M. B-WAVE PROJECT.
I'VE MADE A CONCRETE DECISION, THAT I AM STILL
GOING TO USE THE 10" PVC PIPE FOR THE COIL FORMER.
I PURCHASED A DREMEL, AND TWO APPROX.: 6" LENGTH
PIPE COUPLERS YESTERDAY, FOR THE PROJECT.
I'VE GOTTA GO BY OFFICE DEPOT AFTER HERE (AT THE
LIBRARY), AND GET A FINE TIPPED PERMANENT MARKER,
TO MARK THE STRAIGHT LINES ON THE PIPE, SO I CAN
CUT IT, AND THE FITTINGS TO JUST THE RIGHT LENGTHS.
I GOT THE PIPE FOR FREE, JUST GIVEN TO ME, AND BOTH
ENDS WERE NOT CUT AT A PERFECT 90 DEGREE ANGLE,
RELATIVE TO THE PIPE LENGTH, BUT THE FITTINGS WILL
FIX THAT PROBLEM, AFTER I GET THE FINE TIPPED MARKER.
USING THE DREMEL WAS SUGGESTED AS A GOOD
CUTTING TOOL, AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY I GOT IT.
I LOST A LOT OF SLEEP LAST NIGHT.
HOPEFULLY I CAN GET MORE SLEEP TONIGHT, UNDER
DRUG SEDATION, BUT MAYBE I WON'T HAVE TO RELY SO
MUCH, ON THE DRUG CRAP ANYMORE, AFTER I COMPLETE
THE E.M. PROJECT.
I'VE WANTED TO ASK ABOUT HOW OFTEN THAT YOU USE
YOUR E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT???
DO YOU USE IT ALL THE TIME???
IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF WAKING HOURS, ON
RESPONDING TO E-MAILS / POSTINGS.
DO YOU CONTINUOUSLY USE YOUR SETUP, FOR 15 MIN.
INTERVALS, THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND THE NIGHT?
> > one of my favorites is mint and pepper in water, with
> > a little lemon. not sure if it actually has any proven
> > medical benefits, but it makes for a great tea/soup.
>
> Red peppers can raise body temperature, and that will improve many
> allergy situations; particularly those caused by low body temperature.
>
>
> I AM THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO SMOKE SPEARMINT, IF I CAN OBTAIN
While I don't really know much about spearmint, any smoking
produces carbon monoxide, polyaromatic hydrocarbons, and quite a lot of
nasty toxic crud which is generally hazardous to the lungs in the long
run.
MAYBE I CAN TRY SPEARMINT TEA, IF I CAN FIND SPEARMINT FOR SALE
ANYWHERE.
I CALLED PEACE OF MIND BOOKSTORE, HERE IN TULSA THE OTHER DAY, AND
THEY CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE SPEARMINT IN THEIR STOCK.
And if one has any kind of problems with the liver and pancreas,
such as Porphyria or Porphyrinuria
I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE GOT PORPHYRIA, OR THE OTHER, SINCE THE DAMNED
DOCTORS OF CONVENTION CRAP HAVE LET ME DOWN.
, then smoke can cause quite a bit of
trouble. Most people with such problems find themselves unable to be in
the same setting as a person smoking, incense
YEAH, ACTUALLY I PURCHASED LAVENDAR INCENSE THREE OR FOUR
MONTH'S AGO, AND HAVE BURNED IT ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION,
AND I CAN FEEL THE STRESS FROM IT, IN MY LUNGS, WHILE IT IS BURNING.
I AM THINKING THAT WHAT I NEED NOW, IS A COMBINATION OF PURE OXYGEN,
COMBINED WITH ANTI-CORTISOL.
, or, depending on
severity, anything burning.
> I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF ENDURING THIS NEUROLOGICAL HELL, AND THE
> ANGER TOO!
Well, I don't think you want to rile up the adrenals even more with
smoking anything. Not a good idea.
YOU'RE RIGHT!
DAMN, MY ADRENALS ARE IN OVERKILL MODE; CONTINUOUS DUTY!
I WENT BACK TO THE ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT
GLOSSARY WEBSITE, YESTERDAY, AND NOTICED THAT IT IS CORTISOL
THAT THE ADRENAL GLAND PRODUCES.
I NEED AN ANTI-CORTISOL, BADLY I THINK!
One can not shortcut the determination of what is wrong without
knowing what is wrong. Whic means you have to takethe time to find out
what is wrong...
RIGHT NOW, MY EYES ARE SO DRY FROM THE ANGER THAT I FEEL,
AND I'M ON THE VERGE OF A HEADACHE TOO.
CLYDE
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue May 10 16:03:19 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue May 10 16:03:36 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I FORGOT TO MENTION IN THE PAST....
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050510230319.72914.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
Yep. Par for the course. I'm trying to set up some wireless lan
stuff on a PC from the netherworld of HP. Once upon a time, HP really
meant something. Now... it's just unsupported trash, probably made in
China, with a too small boot sector. The only distro I can run on this
thing is SuSE, which is crap. Etc.
YEAH, I'M NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING AN EXPERT IN COMPUTER
SCIENCE, AND COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY, BUT I KNOW THAT
HEWLETT PACKARD IS ALL COMMUNIST CRAP SHODDY SHIT
CHINESE IMPORTS, NOW.
BEFORE HE PASSED AWAY A FEW YEARS AGO, AN OLD TIMER
ELECTRICAL ENGINEER AT A LOCAL SURPLUS ENGINEERING
BUSINESS, WHO I BOUGHT MY INDUSTRIAL ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT
RACKS FROM, SHOWED ME THE OLD UPSTAIRS ELECTRONIC
TEST EQUIPMENT STORAGE OF HIS COLLECTION, AND A GREAT
AMOUNT OF IT WAS OLD HEWLETT PACKARD EQUIPMENT.
I HATE HEWLETT PACKARD STUFF NOW; EVERY BIT OF IT: CHINESE
ENGINEERED WORTHLESS JUNK!
And Lunksys just said they most assuredly do not support Linux.
I'd like to smash some atoms, just for the sake of smashing some
atoms, but can't even afford decent detectors.
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue May 10 17:37:58 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Angry and tired.
In-Reply-To: <20050510225212.70044.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 10, 2005 03:52:12 PM
Message-ID: <20050511003753.85226.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I'VE WANTED TO ASK ABOUT HOW OFTEN THAT YOU USE
> YOUR E.M. BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT???
Not very. When I get into trouble, I may turn it on for a while,
five minuted or less. Just enough to clear my head.
> DO YOU USE IT ALL THE TIME???
> IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF WAKING HOURS, ON
> RESPONDING TO E-MAILS / POSTINGS.
> DO YOU CONTINUOUSLY USE YOUR SETUP, FOR 15 MIN.
> INTERVALS, THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND THE NIGHT?
Since I work on the internet, I am connected to the internet most
of the time, and have at least one computer active out of the trailer up
here. I have several other machines and servers active elsewhere.
> While I don't really know much about spearmint, any smoking
> produces carbon monoxide, polyaromatic hydrocarbons, and quite a lot of
> nasty toxic crud which is generally hazardous to the lungs in the long
> run.
>
> MAYBE I CAN TRY SPEARMINT TEA, IF I CAN FIND SPEARMINT FOR SALE
> ANYWHERE.
that woudl be somewhat safer. Since you might have porphyria,
start with a small dose and see if it makes a difference.
> I CALLED PEACE OF MIND BOOKSTORE, HERE IN TULSA THE OTHER DAY, AND
> THEY CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE SPEARMINT IN THEIR STOCK.
A log of new age crap is just that.
> And if one has any kind of problems with the liver and pancreas,
> such as Porphyria or Porphyrinuria
>
> I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE GOT PORPHYRIA, OR THE OTHER, SINCE THE DAMNED
> DOCTORS OF CONVENTION CRAP HAVE LET ME DOWN.
Well, most are run by the insurance companies, who will not allow
a lot of tests. That's because... back in the 60's and 70's, a lot of
doctors owned lab testing companies and got a cut on every test they
ordered...
> , then smoke can cause quite a bit of
> trouble. Most people with such problems find themselves unable to be in
> the same setting as a person smoking, incense
>
> YEAH, ACTUALLY I PURCHASED LAVENDAR INCENSE THREE OR FOUR
> MONTH'S AGO, AND HAVE BURNED IT ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION,
> AND I CAN FEEL THE STRESS FROM IT, IN MY LUNGS, WHILE IT IS BURNING.
Yes.
> I AM THINKING THAT WHAT I NEED NOW, IS A COMBINATION OF PURE OXYGEN,
> COMBINED WITH ANTI-CORTISOL.
I can't tell. I think a lot more needs to be know before one can
say.
> Well, I don't think you want to rile up the adrenals even more with
> smoking anything. Not a good idea.
>
> YOU'RE RIGHT!
Thankyou.
> DAMN, MY ADRENALS ARE IN OVERKILL MODE; CONTINUOUS DUTY!
> I WENT BACK TO THE ELECTROMAGNETIC BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT
> GLOSSARY WEBSITE, YESTERDAY, AND NOTICED THAT IT IS CORTISOL
> THAT THE ADRENAL GLAND PRODUCES.
Among other things.
>
> I NEED AN ANTI-CORTISOL, BADLY I THINK!
>
>
> One can not shortcut the determination of what is wrong without
> knowing what is wrong. Whic means you have to takethe time to find out
> what is wrong...
>
> RIGHT NOW, MY EYES ARE SO DRY FROM THE ANGER THAT I FEEL,
> AND I'M ON THE VERGE OF A HEADACHE TOO.
Sounds like some water might do you good. At least a liter a
day... or so they say.
(Or is it a liter and a half?)
I'm falling asleep. See you all later.
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu May 12 17:22:05 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THIS ENTIRE PLANET.
Message-ID: <20050513002155.5396.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu May 12 20:05:49 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Reminder web addresses; Part four.
Message-ID: <20050513030537.49319.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
Reminder web addresses; Part four:
1. http://www.michael.leland.name/tul002.htm
2. http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/okla/tulsa/yamasaki/banktower.html
3. http://www.e-tractions.com/truemajority/run/oreo?rd=436
4. http://www.hardinoptical.com
5. http://www.icomamerica.com
6. http://sound.photosynthesis.com/
7. http://www.towerrecords.com
8. http://www.musicstack.com/
9. http://www.avg.net
10. http://www.southwire.com
11. http://www.logitekaudio.com
12. http://www.gold-line.com/
13. http://www.audiocontrolindustrial.com
14. http://www.rotronic-usa.com/
15. http://www.marathonelectric.com/
16. http://www.marathonelectric.com/generators/generators.html
17. http://www.alturdyne.com
18. http://www.TrachteUSA.com
19. http://www.ep2.com
20. http://www.tremco.com
21. http://www.dowcorning.com/applications/product_finder/pf_details.asp?l1=007&pg=00000172&prod=M0001464&type=MRKT
22. http://www.terco.se
23. http://www.fbk.com
24. http://www.erico.com
25. http://www.harger.com/
26. http://www.flashtechnology.com/FMPro?-db=FlashTechnology.FP5&-lay=data&-format=home.html&-findany
27. http://www.HarbourLights.com
28. http://www.Oxford-InstrumentsDirect.com
29. http://www.iowaspinners.com
30. http://www.lyonworkspace.com
31. http://www.continental-mfg.com
32. http://www.airchime.bc.ca
33. http://www.LSSproducts.com
34. http://www.cobracoil.com
35. http://www.discmakers.com
36. http://www.allwaytools.com
37. http://www.emedco.com
38. http://www.hartzellfan.com
39. http://www.flaktwoods.com
40. http://www.cincinnatifan.com
41. http://www.cutler-hammer.eaton.com
42. http://www.tnb.com
43. http://www.appletonelec.com
44. http://www.teslascience.org/archive/archive.htm
45. http://www.teslascience.org/archive/descriptions/picture30.htm
46. http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=237516
47. http://ppc97-www.nrl.navy.mil/ps03.html
48. http://www.ese-web.com
49. http://www.amcoengineering.com
50. http://www.omega.com
51. http://www.newportUS.com
52. http://www.alliedtime.com
53. http://gcna.org/
54. http://www.whistleman.com/html/whistle_terms.html
55. http://www.safetran.com/
56. http://www.musicsynthesizer.com/WoggleBug/WoggleBug.html
57. http://www.buchla.com/historical/b200/265-uncertainty.html
58. http://www.art.com/asp/sp.asp?PD=10098920&RFID=346898
59. http://www.art.com/asp/sp.asp?PD=10098931&RFID=490797
60. http://www.art.com/asp/sp-asp/_/PD--10098930/Ben_Franklin.htm?sOrig=SCH&ui=239235D0DEBF43DBAD7710FECA94DC9A
61. http://www.art.com/asp/aboutus/contact_us.asp/_/posters.htm?ui=C20b355B3045409283C443C87D44742B
62. http://www.bergey.com
63. http://www.marathonelectric.com
64. http://www.gardnerdenver.com
65. http://www.amfan-woods.com
66. http://www.economist.com
67. http://www.oreck.com
68. http://www.deltapress.com
69. http://www.deltaforce.com
70. http://www.budk.com
71. http://www.EvolveFISH.com
72. http://www.flag-works.com
73. http://www.LibertyFlags.com
74. http://www.titantowers.com
75. http://www.tulsatech.com
76. http://www.scientificsonline.com
77. http://www.sciencefirst.com
78. http://www.novaspace.com
79. http://www.weatheraffects.com
80. http://www.johnsonsmith.com
81. http://www.aes.org
82. http://www.ESE-WEB.com
83. http://www.rane.com
84. http://www.hammondmfg.com
85. http://www.specotech.com
86. http://www.tripplite.com
87. http://www.wavetek.com
88. http://www.metermantesttools.com
89. http://www.cke.com
90. http://www.phaseconverter.com
91. http://www.baldor.com
92. http://www.stacoenergy.com
93. http://www.superiorelectric.com/
94. http://www.warnerpower.com/
95. http://www.progressive-concepts.com
96. http://www.advantest.com/instruments
97. http://www.bkprecision.com/
98. http://www.family.org
99. http://www.searchtv.org
100. http://www.lighthousedepot.com
101. http://www.atsclock.com
102. http://www.bswusa.com
103. http://www.talleycom.com
104. http://www.eurock.com
105. http://www.edwards-signals.com
106. http://www.whsalisbury.com
107. http://www.xmradio.com/index.jsp
108. http://www.dishnetwork.com/
109. http://www.musiciansfriend.com
110. http://www.stantonmagnetics.com
111. http://www.americandj.com
112. http://www.azdencorp.com/shop/customer/home.php
113. http://www.hardinoptical.com
114. http://www.mostlyposters.com
115. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/
116. http://www.irby.com/
117. http://www.kleintools.com/
118. http://www.fluke.com/
119. http://www.muellerelectric.com/
120. http://www.hubbellpowersystems.com/
121. http://www.lappinsulator.com
122. http://www.ngk-locke.com/
123. http://www.newellporcelain.com/
124. http://www.ma.ic.ac.uk/~ajm8/pedestal.html
125. http://www.ma.ic.ac.uk/~ajm8/lev.html
126. http://www.ma.ic.ac.uk/~ajm8/
127. http://www.musicsoundworld.com
128. http://www.saiedmusic.com
129. http://www.peetbros.com
130. http://www.hos.com
131. http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Man%20Who%20Planted%20Trees:1921179422;_ylc=X3oDMTB1bTRuODM0BF9TAzk2NjMyOTA3BHNIYwNmZWVKBHNsawNtdXNpYw--
132. http://www.bighappybuddha.com
133. http://www.intermatic.com
134. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ike.htm
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri May 13 09:31:48 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri May 13 02:31:51 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THIS ENTIRE PLANET.
In-Reply-To: <20050513002155.5396.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 12, 2005 05:21:55 PM
Message-ID: <20050513093148.32979.qmail@mall-net.com>
> THIS ENTIRE PLANET NEEDS A PAINKILLER
> REVOLUTION.
Yes... though... there is a disease which does away with pain.
The victims feel no pain. Thus they act less wisely, often losing
digits, arms, legs, etc. to painless infection and painless injury, as
well as seriously injuring themselves from over exertion, etc.
The disease use to be not that uncommon. It's called Hansen's
disease, descried in the Bible as leprosy.
Pain is useful. It is there to teach most of us not to do dumb
things.
But some times... it goes wrong.
Or more often, we over-ride it with pain killers, and keep doing
those things till we injure ourselves permanently. Like repetitive
stress syndrome. I mean, if it hurts, stop doing it so often! But no,
grocery clerks (and others) just start wearing braces and keep doing
that damaging stuff till the injury is permanent.
Like Zebe out here. He is on pain pills so he can run a chain saw.
Only now, he has trouble holding on to things after running the chain
saw for long. Like the gear shift lever on his truck. If he listened
to his pain long ago...
But no. We're not smart enough to do that anymore.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat May 14 20:23:13 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Sat May 14 17:23:26 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] IBM-National Geographic research
Message-ID: <206.10497ea.2fb7f071@aol.com>
This should be interesting, the idea behind the project is to track people
by their DNA back to 60,000 years ago. You can get the information about
this search by going to National Geographic.com.
When I send in my hard earned dimes and quarters, to become part of the
project it will cost me a cool $100.00. Not a bad price for the
entertainment value.
This 5 year program, I believe will swamp the inventors of this idea.
People, millions of us pay $500.00 a pop to just anyone to research our family
tree, what do we get for the money?
We get names of our ancestors, trace family back 15 generations or so. Big
deal.
Now we can trace our DNA, no names, no exact year, but we will know and be
given a time line as to how the genes we carry moved about the Earth and
became Us.
I have high hopes that this study will find some results that contradict the
accepted ideas that we teach today about how man kind traversed this planet.
There is the possibility of turning science on it's head. We are told
mankind began in one area of Africa. Some people believe it began in China, or
there about. Would not it be a hoot if it is found that humans as we are now,
came from South America, ( or ) Finland.
Possibilities are endless, the bones that are found in Africa are well
preserved, human bones else where don't do too well, with the exception of the
English bog people. Every once in a while we find bones here in the U.S. but
before we can examine them the so called Native Americans claim them as their
own and scream bloody murder when we try to carbon date them.
Makes me wonder what they are afraid of, is it possible that the Nation was
not the only people here? This study will raise the hackles of all people
who think or want to be first.
Is there anyone out there who feel this is a bad idea, good idea, and what
of the ramifications of this study could have for human kind.
Regards Vesta
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat May 14 18:18:32 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat May 14 18:19:09 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out htis website that I found the other day.
Message-ID: <20050515011832.71619.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
Check out this website that I found,
while looking for a website or websites,
discussing starfish DNA:
http://www.geeclass.com/ASSN04.7.htm
Clyde
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat May 14 18:39:38 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat May 14 18:39:51 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] this instead of htis.
Message-ID: <20050515013938.58527.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
this was intended.
htis was not intended.
I apologize for the
mistake.
I proofread the title
before I sent it, but
was not seeing perfectly
straight, since I had
recently awaken from
a nap, and am once
again suffering from
overwhelming stress
from antimoney, among
other things.
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon May 16 01:44:10 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Sun May 15 22:44:15 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Stringin' y'all along...
Message-ID: <004601c559da$49e145d0$6401a8c0@mikey>
A recipe for making strings in the lab
11 May 2005
Theoretical physicists in the Netherlands have proposed a way to make
superstrings in the laboratory. If their idea can be put into practice, it
would allow aspects of string theory to be explored in an experiment for the
first time. The new approach relies on exploiting the properties of
ultracold atomic gases (arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0505055).
Full article:
http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/9/5/7/1
From javilk at mall-net.com Mon May 16 06:53:40 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun May 15 23:53:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Stringin' y'all along...
In-Reply-To: <004601c559da$49e145d0$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at May
16, 2005 01:44:10 AM
Message-ID: <20050516065340.10370.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> A recipe for making strings in the lab
> 11 May 2005
>
> Theoretical physicists in the Netherlands have proposed a way to make
> superstrings in the laboratory. If their idea can be put into practice, it
> would allow aspects of string theory to be explored in an experiment for the
> first time. The new approach relies on exploiting the properties of
> ultracold atomic gases (arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0505055).
Can I make them long enough to ensnare a bulldozer?
My housing search just got shortened... they want me off in about a
month's time so they can run the bulldozer through here.
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon May 16 14:25:44 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Mon May 16 11:25:50 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Enols from fire! (But where are the ketones?)
Message-ID: <007901c55a44$ad244b00$6401a8c0@mikey>
Enols Found Lurking In Flames
Discovery of molecules is expected to lead to revised combustion models
By STEVE RITTER
After more than 150 years of playing with fire, chemists might have assumed
they knew most everything there was to know about combustion processes. Not
so: An international team of scientists has now discovered that enols--a
class of compounds previously undetected in flames--are produced in
significant amounts (Science, published online May 12, dx.doi.org/
10.1126/science.1112532).
Full article:
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i20/8320notw9.html
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon May 16 17:21:33 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon May 16 17:21:42 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Stringin' y'all along...
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050517002133.19362.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
>
> A recipe for making strings in the lab
> 11 May 2005
>
> Theoretical physicists in the Netherlands have proposed a way to make
> superstrings in the laboratory. If their idea can be put into practice, it
> would allow aspects of string theory to be explored in an experiment for the
> first time. The new approach relies on exploiting the properties of
> ultracold atomic gases (arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0505055).
Can I make them long enough to ensnare a bulldozer?
My housing search just got shortened... they want me off in about a
month's time so they can run the bulldozer through here.
HOPE THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'LL BE LEAVING THE MAD-SCIENTISTS
WEBSITE WEBLIST.
I AM MAKING VERY SLOW PROGRESS ON THE E.M. B-WAVE ENTRAINMENT
PROJECT.
I GOT A FINE TIPPED BLACK MARKER-PEN, SO THAT I WILL BE ABLE TO
CUT THE P.V.C. PIPE, WITH VERY PRECISION CUTS, WITH MY NEW DREMEL.
LATELY I HAVE BEEN SO GODDAMNED ANGRY, THAT IT HAS MADE ME SO
SO F'ING DEPRESSED AND TIRED, THAT MY ENERGY HAS BEEN REALLY
DRAINED.
MY GRANDFATHER HAS DEMENTIA, AND HE MADE ME REALLY ANGRY LAST
WEEK WHEN HE CRITICIZED ME OVER BULLSHIT PERTAINING TO SEPTEMBER
11TH, 2001, WHEN HE VISITED TULSA, FOR MY MOM'S MOTHERS DAY.
CLYDE
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue May 17 01:40:24 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon May 16 18:40:26 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Stringin' y'all along...
In-Reply-To: <20050517002133.19362.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 16, 2005 05:21:33 PM
Message-ID: <20050517014024.46026.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > Theoretical physicists in the Netherlands have proposed a way to make
> > superstrings in the laboratory. If their idea can be put into practice, it
> My housing search just got shortened... they want me off in about a
> month's time so they can run the bulldozer through here.
>
> HOPE THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'LL BE LEAVING THE MAD-SCIENTISTS
> WEBSITE WEBLIST.
If I've got internet access, I'll be on the list.
>
> I AM MAKING VERY SLOW PROGRESS ON THE E.M. B-WAVE ENTRAINMENT
> PROJECT.
>
> I GOT A FINE TIPPED BLACK MARKER-PEN, SO THAT I WILL BE ABLE TO
> CUT THE P.V.C. PIPE, WITH VERY PRECISION CUTS, WITH MY NEW DREMEL.
>
> LATELY I HAVE BEEN SO GODDAMNED ANGRY, THAT IT HAS MADE ME SO
> SO F'ING DEPRESSED AND TIRED, THAT MY ENERGY HAS BEEN REALLY
> DRAINED.
Anger certainly does that. As do physiological conditions which
trigger a lot of adrenaline and/or cortisols.
> MY GRANDFATHER HAS DEMENTIA, AND HE MADE ME REALLY ANGRY LAST
> WEEK WHEN HE CRITICIZED ME OVER BULLSHIT PERTAINING TO SEPTEMBER
> 11TH, 2001, WHEN HE VISITED TULSA, FOR MY MOM'S MOTHERS DAY.
People with dementia are... well... not all there. Do you know what
kind or what the origins of his dimentia are?
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon May 16 20:27:47 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon May 16 20:28:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Response to Javilk.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050517032747.37264.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
Anger certainly does that. As do physiological conditions which
trigger a lot of adrenaline and/or cortisols.
MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN EITHER DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS
TALKING ABOUT, OR WAS LYING TO ME, WHEN HE SAID THAT THERE ARE
NO ANTI-ADRENALINE DRUGS THAT EXIST.
DO YOU KNOW IF THERE EXIST, ANTI-ADRENALS, AND/OR ANTI-CORTISOLS???
I HAVE A FEELING THAT THOSE TYPE OF DRUGS WOULD BENEFIT ME
GREATLY, IF I COULD FIND OUT IF SUCH DRUGS EXIST, FROM A NON PHARMACOLOGY ENSLAVED DOCTOR OF NON MAINSTREAM.
> MY GRANDFATHER HAS DEMENTIA, AND HE MADE ME REALLY ANGRY LAST
> WEEK WHEN HE CRITICIZED ME OVER BULLSHIT PERTAINING TO SEPTEMBER
> 11TH, 2001, WHEN HE VISITED TULSA, FOR MY MOM'S MOTHERS DAY.
People with dementia are... well... not all there. Do you know what
kind or what the origins of his dementia are?
PARKINSONS DISEASE, AND MINI STROKES, ACCORDING TO WHAT MY
MOM TOLD ME.
CLYDE
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon May 16 20:45:59 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon May 16 20:46:07 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Enols from fire! (But where are the ketones?)
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050517034559.60299.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
After more than 150 years of playing with fire,
APART FROM THE SUBJECT OF ENOLS, OF
WHICH I KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT,
I HAVE WONDERED IF THE CHAOTIC LOW
FREQUENCY AUDIO RADIO SOUNDS OF FIRE
COULD BE CAPTURED ON AN EXTRA LOW
FREQUENCY AUDIO RADIO RECEIVER.
I AM CURIOUS TO FIND OUT WHAT THE SOUNDS
OF FIRE SOUND LIKE!
CLYDE
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http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i20/8320notw9.html
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon May 16 22:01:20 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Response to Javilk.
In-Reply-To: <20050517032747.37264.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 16, 2005 08:27:47 PM
Message-ID: <20050517050119.26155.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Anger certainly does that. As do physiological conditions which
> trigger a lot of adrenaline and/or cortisols.
>
> MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN EITHER DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS
> TALKING ABOUT, OR WAS LYING TO ME, WHEN HE SAID THAT THERE ARE
> NO ANTI-ADRENALINE DRUGS THAT EXIST.
> DO YOU KNOW IF THERE EXIST, ANTI-ADRENALS, AND/OR ANTI-CORTISOLS???
The typical things are valium and other tranquelizers. In the
alternative region, it's niacin or niacinamide. But the question is why
is the body pushing out so much adrenaline? Often, it is an allergy
process or poisoning process. (No paranoia here, it's most likely
something like a gas leak, carbon monoxide, or other common allergy
process.) When this happens, sometimes one goes a bit low on salts. But
one ought to check one's blood pressure and up water consumption.
> I HAVE A FEELING THAT THOSE TYPE OF DRUGS WOULD BENEFIT ME
> GREATLY, IF I COULD FIND OUT IF SUCH DRUGS EXIST, FROM A NON PHARMACOLOGY ENSLAVED DOCTOR OF NON MAINSTREAM.
Did you try upping your iodine consumption, say via Dulse soup? How
much niacin are you taking?
> > MY GRANDFATHER HAS DEMENTIA, AND HE MADE ME REALLY ANGRY LAST
> > WEEK WHEN HE CRITICIZED ME OVER BULLSHIT PERTAINING TO SEPTEMBER
> > 11TH, 2001, WHEN HE VISITED TULSA, FOR MY MOM'S MOTHERS DAY.
Wait a minute! Mother's day is in May, not September. If he visited
in September, it wasn't Mother's day, and if it was Mother's day, it
wasn't September.
> People with dementia are... well... not all there. Do you know what
> kind or what the origins of his dementia are?
>
> PARKINSONS DISEASE, AND MINI STROKES, ACCORDING TO WHAT MY
> MOM TOLD ME.
Well... the strokes, yet. Parkinson's will also do quite a bit.
Had a friend's father die of it. Halucinating things... they adjusted
the dosages up and down a bit, did get him to seem ok for a little
while. But... he faded. His instructions were no feeding tubes. So he
died in a hospice, basically gone before he died physically. I met him
in his prime a few times. Really nice man.
The Pope died of Parkinson's as well. I don't know if he went
toward the dimentia side before he did. Pneumonia is a consequence of
not being able to orchestrate the muscles properly in swallowing. It is
the way people die of Parkinson's.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue May 17 05:06:49 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon May 16 22:06:51 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Enols from fire! (But where are the ketones?)
In-Reply-To: <20050517034559.60299.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 16, 2005 08:45:59 PM
Message-ID: <20050517050649.30145.qmail@mall-net.com>
> After more than 150 years of playing with fire,
>
> APART FROM THE SUBJECT OF ENOLS, OF
> WHICH I KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT,
methanol, ethanol, butanol, and other alcohols.
> I HAVE WONDERED IF THE CHAOTIC LOW
> FREQUENCY AUDIO RADIO SOUNDS OF FIRE
> COULD BE CAPTURED ON AN EXTRA LOW
> FREQUENCY AUDIO RADIO RECEIVER.
Audio radio? Do you mean an amplifier???
> I AM CURIOUS TO FIND OUT WHAT THE SOUNDS
> OF FIRE SOUND LIKE!
Hiss, partly from the orfice the gas passes through. Then any
variations are going to be picked up and resonate at the resonances of
the plumbing.
One can maximize this via tuned cavities, or via a Piezo cryatal
basd modulator driven by an audio amplifier. Fire that flame into a
pipe... and you have an interesting horn.
Network connection is poor tonight. Good night.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu May 19 20:41:20 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu May 19 20:42:24 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: (Revised:) Reality is just so painful.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050520034120.80119.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
Garybrowningokla@aol.com wrote: Clyde, All I can tell you is my taking medication
IS IT POSSIBLE TO PETITION THE PHARMAPSEUDO-CAL(L) PHATKATS, AND GET
THOSE PHUCKERS TO CHANGE THAT NONSENSICAL TERMINOLOGY OF
MEDICATION, WHEN IT IS APPLIED TO THE MAINTENANCE OF HEALTH?
MEDICINE, AND MEDICATION ARE LISTED IN THE WEBSTERS DICTIONARY AS
NOUNS, BUT ARE INDEED PSEUDONYMS, WHEN THEY ARE NOT APPLIED TO
TO THE CLASSIFICATION OF PERMANENT FIXTURES, AND CURES, OF ENVIRONMENTAL ANTI-EASE -/- DIS-EASE.
which are prescribed by conventional doctors
THE TIME LIMITATION OF CONVENTION CRAP DOCTORS IS SO SMALL.
THEY CANNOT ANSWER ALL QUESTIONS, IN A GIVEN LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME,
FOR ALL PEOPLE.
is my key to sanity and being comfortable with the present.
I AM LIVING IN THE WRONG TIME PERIOD, ON THE WRONG PLANET, IN THE
WRONG SOLAR SYSTEM, IN THE WRONG GALAXY, IN THE WRONG UNIVERSE, IN
THE WRONG REALITY, IN THE WRONG EXISTANCE.
AMERICA IS SCREWED UP, AND I AM SCREWED UP TOO, BECAUSE OF IT.
I too have wanted to get to heaven without having to die. But now that I take
PRESCRIPTION DRUG(S) [" medication "]
I know longer feel that way.
WHY???
I STILL FEEL THAT WAY, EVEN THOUGH I AM NOW FUCKED UP ON DRUGS:
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.
May you too find peace. gary
I HAVE PRAYED FOR A MIRACLE IN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, AND THAT
MIRACLE HAS FAILED TO MATERIALIZE.
THE GOD OF THE JEWS HAS LET ME DOWN, AND I HAVE NO MORE LOVE FOR
HIM, JUST AS EQUALLY NO LOVE FOR THE MUSLIM GOD: ALLAH; THEY CAN BOTH
GO TO ETERNAL HELL FOREVER, WITH LUCIFER AND SATAN, FOREVER.
AND I AM QUESTIONING IF THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS; JESUS, HAS ALSO LET
ME DOWN TOO.
HOW IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO BE HOW THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF THIS
COUNTRY INTENDED THEM TO BE, WITH ANTIMONEY, AND ANTI-RESOURCES?
THE FINANCIAL INFRASTRUCTURE IS FUCKED, JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY ARE FUCKED; AND THE ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALSO FUCKED TOO.
I WILL BE SIGNING THE PETITION FOR THE RECALL OF MAYOR LAFORTUNE, AND
OTHER CITY OFFICIALS.
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS DIRTY SHITTY HALF SLUM CITY ON A SINKHOLE.
IF MICHAEL DELGIORNO ENDS UP LEAVING TULSA, I AM GOING TO HOP ON A
GREYHOUND BUS, AND TAKE A TRIP UP TO FORT COLLINS COLORADO, AND
POSSIBLY ALSO TO COLORADO SPRINGS COLORADO, BECAUSE I HAVE GROWN
TO HATE THIS FUCKING CITY.
CLYDE
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu May 19 21:53:42 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu May 19 21:53:51 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Fairness .com.
Message-ID: <20050520045343.97670.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri May 20 06:26:10 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu May 19 23:26:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: (Revised:) Reality is just so painful.
In-Reply-To: <20050520034120.80119.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 19, 2005 08:41:20 PM
Message-ID: <20050520062610.4597.qmail@mall-net.com>
> IS IT POSSIBLE TO PETITION THE PHARMAPSEUDO-CAL(L) PHATKATS, AND GET
> THOSE PHUCKERS TO CHANGE THAT NONSENSICAL TERMINOLOGY OF
> MEDICATION, WHEN IT IS APPLIED TO THE MAINTENANCE OF HEALTH?
> MEDICINE, AND MEDICATION ARE LISTED IN THE WEBSTERS DICTIONARY AS
> NOUNS, BUT ARE INDEED PSEUDONYMS, WHEN THEY ARE NOT APPLIED TO
> TO THE CLASSIFICATION OF PERMANENT FIXTURES, AND CURES, OF ENVIRONMENTAL ANTI-EASE -/- DIS-EASE.
Given the number of books in print, No.
> which are prescribed by conventional doctors
>
> THE TIME LIMITATION OF CONVENTION CRAP DOCTORS IS SO SMALL.
> THEY CANNOT ANSWER ALL QUESTIONS, IN A GIVEN LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME,
> FOR ALL PEOPLE.
Yep.
> is my key to sanity and being comfortable with the present.
Um... if this were universally held as the key, we would not have
progressed to the arrowhead stage. Nevermind computer age.
It is, after all, part of being a mad scientist.
> I AM LIVING IN THE WRONG TIME PERIOD, ON THE WRONG PLANET, IN THE
> WRONG SOLAR SYSTEM, IN THE WRONG GALAXY, IN THE WRONG UNIVERSE, IN
> THE WRONG REALITY, IN THE WRONG EXISTANCE.
> AMERICA IS SCREWED UP, AND I AM SCREWED UP TOO, BECAUSE OF IT.
Nah. Make the most of it.
> I HAVE PRAYED FOR A MIRACLE IN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, AND THAT
> MIRACLE HAS FAILED TO MATERIALIZE.
Prayer is best when requesting insight and inspiration. It is a
form of meditation, not requests for specifics.
How's that old saw go, be careful what you ask for, because you
might get it.
By asking for inspiration, you see AROUND the problems, find paths
AROUND the problems.
> THE GOD OF THE JEWS HAS LET ME DOWN, AND I HAVE NO MORE LOVE FOR
> HIM, JUST AS EQUALLY NO LOVE FOR THE MUSLIM GOD: ALLAH; THEY CAN BOTH
> GO TO ETERNAL HELL FOREVER, WITH LUCIFER AND SATAN, FOREVER.
> AND I AM QUESTIONING IF THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS; JESUS, HAS ALSO LET
> ME DOWN TOO.
The only person who lets you down is you. So don't let yourself
down.
I know that sounds silly, but it is true. A failure is only a
failure if he stops when he fails.
Programming is thousands of failures which we rectify as we build.
It's part of the building process. Science is built upon failures which
taught us what does not work. Even thought itself is a failure of
memory, allowing the would-be memory to resonate other things with
similarities. And by resonating such, brings forth more ability
> I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS DIRTY SHITTY HALF SLUM CITY ON A SINKHOLE.
> IF MICHAEL DELGIORNO ENDS UP LEAVING TULSA, I AM GOING TO HOP ON A
> GREYHOUND BUS, AND TAKE A TRIP UP TO FORT COLLINS COLORADO, AND
> POSSIBLY ALSO TO COLORADO SPRINGS COLORADO, BECAUSE I HAVE GROWN
> TO HATE THIS FUCKING CITY.
You will find most of what you thought you left behind; because
what you have, is a point of view; a filter which only allows you to see
what you declare to be there.
You must open yourself up to what is!
This is why I keep harping on seeking and photographing beauty.
It's there. You just have to learn to see it. This is the hardest
lesson of life.
Pope John Paul II lived through times which were far worse than
yours, times which destroyed people. He did not let himself down. His
ATTITUDE was that all can be changed, that HE was the change he wanted
to be.
Be the change you want to see.
Be the example of the society you wish to live in.
First, learn to look for beauty. The image of dew on leaves, a
leaf in a puddle... all can be seen as clutter to be raked, as problem
do be drained, or as beauty. They are all those at once. You chose
which you wish to resonate in your mind.
Be the change you want to see. SEEK and SEE the change you want to
see, then advance it. Start with looking for beauty. It's there all
around you. Just look at an oil slick on a puddle, and SEE the rainbow
of colors. Or a flower. Or even the texture of a toothpick under a
magnifying glass.
If you do not calmly look for these things, if you do not slowly
OPEN yourself up to SEE these things, you will never find anything better
than what you ALLOW in through that filter of yours.
Beauty and Wonder are all around you.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri May 20 16:08:55 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Fri May 20 13:11:10 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Fairness
Message-ID: <000001c55d77$c24c0320$6401a8c0@mikey>
Life is not fair.
Live with it.
Or die from it.
Your choice, and society really does NOT care!
Have the courage to change what is changeable.
The serenity to accept what isn't.
And the WISDOM to know the difference!
"Society is very like a mule- if spurred too hard, it will throw its rider."
-MB
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri May 20 18:35:35 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Fri May 20 18:36:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Operation Information.
Message-ID: <20050521013535.77200.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Operation information website:
http://www.operationinformation.com
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat May 21 22:18:17 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Sat May 21 19:20:32 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Philo T. Farnsworth
Message-ID: <002001c55e74$859a33e0$6401a8c0@mikey>
You may not recognize the name, but everyone knows his work.
He invented television.
Late in his life, he worked on another project, and the principles he used
have recently been "rediscovered."
http://www.fusor.net/
-MB
From javilk at mall-net.com Sun May 22 07:14:19 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun May 22 00:14:32 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Philo T. Farnsworth
In-Reply-To: <002001c55e74$859a33e0$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at May
21, 2005 10:18:17 PM
Message-ID: <20050522071419.94869.qmail@mall-net.com>
> You may not recognize the name, but everyone knows his work.
> He invented television.
>
> Late in his life, he worked on another project, and the principles he used
> have recently been "rediscovered."
>
> http://www.fusor.net/
(Drooling) Ah...... Yes! Nuclear Fusion!!! Fascinating!!!
Now, I happened to have spent time in a cyclotron lab in college...
this was one of the early, small cyclotrons; nothing particularly
fancy; a big metal thing in a brick lined room, vacuum pumps, etc. It
was the vacuum pumps and other equipment that attracted me.
I wasn't a physics major, just a friend of a genius who worked (and
played) there as student labor before he moved on to the computer
center. We fooled around with a lot of science there. My "specialty"
there was blowing glass. A semester or two later, I followed him over
to the computer center, where his thing was the big analog computer they
had. His mind took to electronics. I started playing with writing
programs, and just "fell in". My mind just happened to be the kind that
"took" to the linguistics of computational logic; in other words,
program design and programming itself.
Quite apart from the issue of break-even in fusion reactions, the
large problem of this type of fusion system, like most fusion systems,
is the production of neutrons. In other words, serious radiation. Bit
of a problem dealing with it. Not the sort of thing you'd like to set up
in your basement to warm your home and run your TV.
Other interesting item they are now considering, is the possibility
of nuclear fusion taking place in ultrasonic cavitation. The phenomenon
has been known to produce light, and soft X rays, which are generally
absorbed by the water. Scientific American article on that in the 90's.
Of course, that isn't near break even either.
Intersting article on solar energy in a recent Discover magazine.
Heat, not light. Mirrors to concentrate the heat onto thermal engines.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no physicist, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as nuclear safety advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
From javilk at mall-net.com Sun May 22 07:58:44 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun May 22 00:58:46 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Philo T. Farnsworth
In-Reply-To: <20050522071419.94869.qmail@mall-net.com> from
"javilk@mall-net.com" at May 22, 2005 07:14:19 AM
Message-ID: <20050522075844.27889.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> > You may not recognize the name, but everyone knows his work.
> > He invented television.
> >
> > Late in his life, he worked on another project, and the principles he used
> > have recently been "rediscovered."
> >
> > http://www.fusor.net/
>
> (Drooling) Ah...... Yes! Nuclear Fusion!!! Fascinating!!!
> Quite apart from the issue of break-even in fusion reactions, the
> large problem of this type of fusion system, like most fusion systems,
> is the production of neutrons. In other words, serious radiation. Bit
> of a problem dealing with it. Not the sort of thing you'd like to set up
> in your basement to warm your home and run your TV.
BUT... in another article, is the possibility of using Boron 11, a
common isotope of Boron, which can be reacted with NO pesky neutrons.
The results are Very Interesting! Dr. Bussard suggests this could
produce space travel at a price comparing favorably with using the
Concord to cross the Atlantic.
http://torsatron.tripod.com/fusor/fusor.html
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no physicist, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as nuclear safety advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun May 22 02:25:06 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun May 22 02:25:14 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: [exopolitics] Exopolitical Comment # 31: Bob
Lazar, Element 115, Massive Stars ...
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20050522092506.32883.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
Dr Michael Salla wrote:
My Groups | exopolitics Main Page
Source: http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-31.htm
Exopolitical Comment # 31: Bob Lazar, Element 115, Massive Stars and
Heavy Metals
I wish to focus on some recent scientific advances that vindicate
some of the information that Bob Lazar provided from his alleged
experiences at S4, and respond to some of his critics. The most
important criticism concerned Lazar's initial claim in 1989 of the
existence of a stable form of element 115. The existence of such an
element was initially dismissed by some of his critics and became a
factor in Lazar not being taken seriously. For example Stanton
Friedman wrote in 1997:
"There is no evidence that any 115 has been created anywhere. Based
on what we know about all other elements over #100, it would
certainly have been radioactive with a short half life, and 500
pounds could not have been accumulated. His scheme sounds good, but
makes no real sense especially in view of how difficult it would be
to add protons to #115."
(http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sflazar.html )
However, recently scientists were able to reproduce an isotope of
115 in a laboratory, and said that a stable isotope is possible. Dr
Joshua Patin, one of the creators of the 115 isotope, confirmed in
an interview with Linda Moulton Howe that with sufficient
technological advances, the creation of a stable form of 115 is
possible:
"[Howe:] Could there be an element 115 isotope that is solid and can
be held in the hand?
[Dr Patin:] "Some day down the road, I think so. If it's true that
we find something that is long enough lived. To hold something in
your hand, you would need a significant quantity of these atoms.
We've produced four atoms of Element 115 in a month. It would take
you don't have enough time in the rest of the universe to create
enough that you could hold in your hand through these same kinds of
production methods (that we are using). That's why I say a future
technology might allow us advances in terms of how much can be
produced and the target material, maybe a better way of producing
but somewhere down the road, there might be a possibility, sure (see
http://www.intalek.com/Index/News/Element115.htm ).
As to how element 115 is formed, Lazar claimed it is formed in
massive stars. In an article he wrote:
"[M]any single star solar systems have stars that are so large that
our Sun would appear to be a dwarf by comparison. Keeping all this
is mind, it should be obvious that a large, single star system,
binary star system, or multiple star system would have had more of
the prerequisite mass and electromagnetic energy present during
their creations. Scientists have long theorized that there are
potential combinations of protons and neutrons which should provide
stable elements with atomic numbers being higher than any which
appear on our periodic chart, though none of these heavy elements
occur naturally on earth."
http://members.fortunecity.com/groom51/interstellartravel.html
Lazar's idea that element 115 is formed in stars led to more
criticism this time by astronomers and physicists that Lazar was
incorrect since stars could not produce heavy metals with atomic
numbers greater than iron (atomic number 26) in stable stars. This
criticism was raised by Dr David Morgan in 1996 whose critique was
kindly sent to me by Stanton Friedman. Dr Morgan says:
"[Lazar] SEEMS to be suggesting that his element 115, the alien fuel
source, which doesn't exist on the Earth, should be present in those
solar systems that were more massive at their inception. The
implication here is that a star system which condensed out of a more
massive primordial cloud should have a greater abundance of heavier
elements. This is quite incorrect. Heavy elements - all elements
heavier than iron - are not formed during the normal life cycles of
stars. The only time when these nuclei are "cooked" is during the
collapse and subsequent explosion of supernovae. The supernova
explosion then spreads heavy elements throughout the galaxy. For
this reason, the abundances of heavy elements in any particular star
system depend NOT upon the properties of the current star, but on
the properties of the nearby stars of the PREVIOUS GENERATION!
Therefore, all of the star systems in a particular region of the
galaxy will have essentially the same abundances of heavy elements,
regardless of the mass of star. If element 115 is STABLE, as Lazar
claims it to be, then it should be created in supernova explosions
and it should exist EVERYWHERE!"
(http://www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/critiq.htm).
Dr Morgan's criticism of Lazar is not supported by recent
breakthroughs in understanding the formation of heavy metals in
stars. It has been discovered for example that heavy metals with
higher atomic numbers than iron (26) can and are found in stars in
their normal cycle rather than just through supernova which was
the 'old understanding'. A NASA astronomer reflecting on this new
theory answers a question concerning the existence of heavy metals
with higher atomic metals forming in massive stars and answers: "it
does not require a supernova to create elements heavier than iron.
Heavy elements can also form in the cores of massive stars before
they go supernova"
(http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/010125a.html ).
This new theory has been recently confirmed with the recent
discovery of three massive stars that have 'lead' (atomic number 82)
in them: "The theory has now been supported by data from the three
binary, or "double" stars, studied by French and Belgian astronomers
using the European Southern Observatory 3.6 metre telescope at La
Silla, Chile. Each star, which is otherwise light in metal, contains
an amount of lead weighing the same as the Moon.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_383487.html?
menu=news.scienceanddiscovery.space )
The new understanding of the formation of heavy metals in stars and
discovery of large quantities of lead in some stars basically
negates Dr Morgan's criticism and shows that Lazar's idea that some
massive stars in the normal stellar cycle may have element 115
developed in them is a very real possibility.
What are the exopolitical implications of this given Lazar's claims
that extraterrestrials use 115 for their propulsion systems? If
element 115 is naturally formed in the core of some massive stars
and element 115 is used in the propulsion system of extraterrestrial
races, then it would be fair to assume that some extraterrestrials
may have discovered how to mine stars of their heavy elements to use
as a propulsion fuel. Indeed, extraterrestrials with sufficient
knowledge in mining suns of element 115 and other elements may be
using this as part of an interstellar trade. Indeed, such knowledge
and possession of large quantities of 115 and other elements may
lead to interstellar conflicts over certain star systems. Indeed,
the Earth's sun or nearby stars may have heavy elements that may
attract extraterrestrial races who seek to mine these precious
natural resources. We are now slowly moving to an understanding of
how certain star systems might be highly prized by extraterrestrial
races that seek to gain control and mine stars of heavy elements
such as element 115. With new advances in physics and astronomy, Bob
Lazar's information so widely dismissed in the early 1990's appears
to have more relevance than ever.
© Michael E. Salla, PhD
May 21, 2005
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun May 22 02:47:56 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sun May 22 02:48:04 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Philo T. Farnsworth
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050522094756.36769.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
VERY COOL DISCUSSIONS!
IF I HAD MORE TIME RIGHT NOW, I WOULD
LIKE TO JOIN IN MORE, AND TALK MORE
ABOUT THERMONUCLEAR FUSION POTENTIALS.
I'M ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH THOSE TWO
WEBSITES BELOW, AND HAVE PONDERED
ACOUSTIC CONFINEMENT OF THERMONUCLEAR
FUSION PLASMA'S.
BUT I HAVE GOT NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM
JOHN CLAYTON, AND SO I HAVE BEEN
NEGATIVE BACK TO HIM.
RICHARD HULL SAID THERE IS POSSIBILITY,
BUT THAT THE POTENTIAL FAILURES FAR
OUTWEIGH THE POSSIBILITIES.
RICHARD HULL WAS OF MUCH GREATER
ENCOURAGEMENT THAN WAS JOHN CLAYTON.
JOHN CLAYTON'S WEBSITE IS:
http://www.doesgodexist.org
CLYDE
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
You may not recognize the name, but everyone knows his work.
He invented television.
Late in his life, he worked on another project, and the principles he used
have recently been "rediscovered."
http://www.fusor.net/
(Drooling) Ah...... Yes! Nuclear Fusion!!! Fascinating!!!
Quite apart from the issue of break-even in fusion reactions, the
large problem of this type of fusion system, like most fusion systems,
is the production of neutrons. In other words, serious radiation. Bit
of a problem dealing with it. Not the sort of thing you'd like to set up
in your basement to warm your home and run your TV.
BUT... in another article, is the possibility of using Boron 11, a
common isotope of Boron, which can be reacted with NO pesky neutrons.
The results are Very Interesting! Dr. Bussard suggests this could
produce space travel at a price comparing favorably with using the
Concord to cross the Atlantic.
http://torsatron.tripod.com/fusor/fusor.html
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From javilk at mall-net.com Sun May 22 18:37:58 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun May 22 11:38:01 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Philo T. Farnsworth
In-Reply-To: <20050522094756.36769.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 22, 2005 02:47:56 AM
Message-ID: <20050522183758.50172.qmail@mall-net.com>
> VERY COOL DISCUSSIONS!
> IF I HAD MORE TIME RIGHT NOW, I WOULD
> LIKE TO JOIN IN MORE, AND TALK MORE
> ABOUT THERMONUCLEAR FUSION POTENTIALS.
If I had ther time and money, I'd be tempted to build some of those
gadgets myelf.
> I'M ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH THOSE TWO
> WEBSITES BELOW, AND HAVE PONDERED
> ACOUSTIC CONFINEMENT OF THERMONUCLEAR
> FUSION PLASMA'S.
Little hard to use acoustics when you are dealing with
what is essentially high quality vacuum...
> BUT I HAVE GOT NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM
> JOHN CLAYTON, AND SO I HAVE BEEN
> NEGATIVE BACK TO HIM.
> RICHARD HULL SAID THERE IS POSSIBILITY,
> BUT THAT THE POTENTIAL FAILURES FAR
> OUTWEIGH THE POSSIBILITIES.
> RICHARD HULL WAS OF MUCH GREATER
> ENCOURAGEMENT THAN WAS JOHN CLAYTON.
> JOHN CLAYTON'S WEBSITE IS:
> http://www.doesgodexist.org
>
> CLYDE
I really wish you wou'dn't strip th equote marks, as it makes it
hard to tell who wrote what. I only wrote part of the text below.
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> javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
>
>
> You may not recognize the name, but everyone knows his work.
> He invented television.
>
> Late in his life, he worked on another project, and the principles he used
> have recently been "rediscovered."
>
> http://www.fusor.net/
>
> (Drooling) Ah...... Yes! Nuclear Fusion!!! Fascinating!!!
>
> Quite apart from the issue of break-even in fusion reactions, the
> large problem of this type of fusion system, like most fusion systems,
> is the production of neutrons. In other words, serious radiation. Bit
> of a problem dealing with it. Not the sort of thing you'd like to set up
> in your basement to warm your home and run your TV.
>
> BUT... in another article, is the possibility of using Boron 11, a
> common isotope of Boron, which can be reacted with NO pesky neutrons.
> The results are Very Interesting! Dr. Bussard suggests this could
> produce space travel at a price comparing favorably with using the
> Concord to cross the Atlantic.
>
> http://torsatron.tripod.com/fusor/fusor.html
>
From javilk at mall-net.com Sun May 22 19:26:59 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Sun May 22 12:27:01 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: [exopolitics] Exopolitical Comment # 31: Bob
In-Reply-To: <20050522092506.32883.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 22, 2005 02:25:06 AM
Message-ID: <20050522192659.85063.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Dr Michael Salla wrote:
> My Groups | exopolitics Main Page
>
> Source: http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-31.htm
>
> What are the exopolitical implications of this given Lazar's claims
> that extraterrestrials use 115 for their propulsion systems? If
> element 115 is naturally formed in the core of some massive stars
> and element 115 is used in the propulsion system of extraterrestrial
> races, then it would be fair to assume that some extraterrestrials
> may have discovered how to mine stars of their heavy elements to use
> as a propulsion fuel. Indeed, extraterrestrials with sufficient
This type of speculation is more common amongst those who are
unfamiliar enough with the abilities of this culture's physics and
engineering. It is interesting to compare the general style of such
discussions with those of, say, Dr. Bussard of stellar gas ramjet fame,
who seems to focus more on what WE can do and how it could be done, vs
what other off-world non-hominid societies might be able to do.
One might call this reality based thinking vs grasping at straws.
While in itself not enough to label the individuals as crackpots, this
kind of extraterrestrial grasping certainly weakens their respectability
to many more pragmatic individuals. It is often used in the literature
of fiction, as well as those with nothing better to buttress their
thoughts. Examples date back to ancient Greek literature (The Odyssey and
the Iliad). A more recent terrestrial example would be Margaret Meade's
"growing up in Samoa", which though discredited by numerous researchers;
served as part of the basis of our so called sexual revolution and hippy
type movements which wasted a lot of human potential and left many
twisted, unhappy souls in its wake. (Not the only time a movement did
this!)
> the Earth's sun or nearby stars may have heavy elements that may
> attract extraterrestrial races who seek to mine these precious
> natural resources. We are now slowly moving to an understanding of
I think by the time they know how to mine the sun, a culture may
know enough not to need to do something requiring so much technical
effort as the persistence of form in such highly thermal and chaotic
environments. But I could be wrong.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no Literature major, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as literary advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon May 23 11:04:22 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Mon May 23 11:05:25 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Operation Information.
In-Reply-To: <20050521013535.77200.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050523180423.12366.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
WARNING! THIS POST MAY OFFEND SOME!
maybe it's the fact that I've been to other countries,
or the fact that I don't trust church groups...
but that "operation information" website seemed more
than a little looney.
For the record:
"mastery learning" refers to both a level of
competence, and a form of task analysis.
"skill certificates" are a document (and a sort of
reward" for those kids that probably aren't going to
get a full diploma due to low functioning mental
retardation
the rest can pretty much be chalked off to a group of
scared people needing a crusade.
at the risk of starting a flame war:
0.) what the flying heck does this nutbar group in
oklahoma have to do with mad science?
1.) americans aren't exactly a conservative group.
this country voted for seperation of church and state.
we overthrew a religious government (the english king
was the head of hte anglican church), we decided
women's votes were just as good as men's. we decided
that free and public speech trumps the possible
concerns of a small church group (cable TV comes to
mind.) we decided that adults were allowed to regulate
their own sexual activity ("alternative lifestyles,"
the pill, condoms, abortion, et alia.)
2.) in my mind, many churches are quite definitely a
force of ignorance, bigotry, fear, sources of
violence, and a spur to torture. just take a look at
the fall of the roman empire, the inquisition, the
burnt over district, the dark ages, slavery in this
country, etc. , etc, etc...
choosing between a group of people dedicated to
peaceful exchange of goods, services, and tourists
- or -
a group dedicated to lies, ignorance, and suggested
violent behavior (look it up. violence is completely
supported in the bible...) propped up by a single
reference book with little if any outside facts to
back it up...yet insisting that we back them up over
all other groups...
for me...I'll help with the black helicopters (after
all, they're so quiet, yet fast moving...sounds like a
lot of maintainence time...)
I'll grant that some church groups are worth-while
causes (and I have helped out in some church-run soup
kitchens), but far too many seem bound to - one might
even say "hell-bent on" - saving my soul, converting
my pagan wife, scrubbing my brain clean of the
pernicious (sp) influences of that heathen named
darwin, and using reparative therapy on my BiLesGa
friends. In addition to sating that we should all use
force of some kind to get other countries to follow
our new moral lead.
I liked it better when you were sending links to
alternative energy, and small jet engines.
Non Serviam,
Bob
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>
> http://www.operationinformation.com
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From FMoore at POCO.com Mon May 23 13:43:34 2005
From: FMoore at POCO.com (Moore, Frank)
Date: Mon May 23 11:43:44 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Operation Information.
Message-ID: <99E207AC8BBAC24389B2640E9F3C97477697C7@pzisexch.poco.com>
No Flames from me, Bob ;-)
I could hardly agree more.
Frank F. Moore
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Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [Mad-Scientists] Operation Information.
Clyde,
WARNING! THIS POST MAY OFFEND SOME!
maybe it's the fact that I've been to other countries, or the fact that
I don't trust church groups...
but that "operation information" website seemed more than a little
looney.
For the record:
"mastery learning" refers to both a level of competence, and a form of
task analysis.
"skill certificates" are a document (and a sort of reward" for those
kids that probably aren't going to get a full diploma due to low
functioning mental retardation
the rest can pretty much be chalked off to a group of scared people
needing a crusade.
at the risk of starting a flame war:
0.) what the flying heck does this nutbar group in oklahoma have to do
with mad science?
1.) americans aren't exactly a conservative group.
this country voted for seperation of church and state.
we overthrew a religious government (the english king was the head of
hte anglican church), we decided women's votes were just as good as
men's. we decided that free and public speech trumps the possible
concerns of a small church group (cable TV comes to
mind.) we decided that adults were allowed to regulate their own sexual
activity ("alternative lifestyles,"
the pill, condoms, abortion, et alia.)
2.) in my mind, many churches are quite definitely a force of ignorance,
bigotry, fear, sources of violence, and a spur to torture. just take a
look at the fall of the roman empire, the inquisition, the burnt over
district, the dark ages, slavery in this country, etc. , etc, etc...
choosing between a group of people dedicated to peaceful exchange of
goods, services, and tourists
- or -
a group dedicated to lies, ignorance, and suggested violent behavior
(look it up. violence is completely supported in the bible...) propped
up by a single reference book with little if any outside facts to back
it up...yet insisting that we back them up over all other groups...
for me...I'll help with the black helicopters (after all, they're so
quiet, yet fast moving...sounds like a lot of maintainence time...)
I'll grant that some church groups are worth-while causes (and I have
helped out in some church-run soup kitchens), but far too many seem
bound to - one might even say "hell-bent on" - saving my soul,
converting my pagan wife, scrubbing my brain clean of the pernicious
(sp) influences of that heathen named darwin, and using reparative
therapy on my BiLesGa friends. In addition to sating that we should all
use force of some kind to get other countries to follow our new moral
lead.
I liked it better when you were sending links to alternative energy, and
small jet engines.
Non Serviam,
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> Operation information website:
>
> http://www.operationinformation.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Mon May 23 19:16:48 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon May 23 12:16:51 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Operation Information.
In-Reply-To: <20050523180423.12366.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert
Juliano" at May 23, 2005 11:04:22 AM
Message-ID: <20050523191648.89829.qmail@mall-net.com>
> WARNING! THIS POST MAY OFFEND SOME!
And vital to others...
> maybe it's the fact that I've been to other countries,
> or the fact that I don't trust church groups...
> but that "operation information" website seemed more
> than a little looney.
Heh, heh, heh. A little?
Right on the front page, "UN treaties into Red government
mandates", as told by a Reverend. I mean, what more can you ask for,
but the ignorant speaking about the non-existent??? And he keeps asking
"scared yet?"
"DANGER Will Robinson, DANGER!" (From an old TV science fiction
series, "Lost in Space".)
The UN is not globalizing the world. The world is already a globe,
and it is commerce which is encouraging people to intercommunicate and
interrelate. (Often in ways that are totally inappropriate to the
people they are trying to civilize. Remember, the Chinese and Japanese
thought we were the savages.)
And who, pray tell, as been at the core of this mess since the
1400's and before? Well, um, ask the Reverend about the Jesuits and
other missionaries who would go out to convert the heathens, killing any
who opposed them "in the name of god!" (Or was it dog? Some of them,
by today's standards, might have been slightly dislexic, or otherwise
socially defective.)
Kind of makes you wonder why God created so many ignorant defective
savages who could not even discern the truth...
I think them heathens had the mad scientist experience of knowing
what they saw, yet being told by these black clad foreign savages, that
what they saw was before them was all lies and they were wrong. And
being tortured and killed for uttering the observable truth which
contradicted "The Truth!"
Does God lie?
OF COURSE NOT!!!
Then how do you explain all them dinosaur bones?
THEY WERE CREATED TO SEPARATE THE WORTHY FROM THE IGNORANT!
So god lies... Or you do.
> "skill certificates" are a document (and a sort of
> reward" for those kids that probably aren't going to
> get a full diploma due to low functioning mental
> retardation
Certificates are for people who need to judge, but are not
competent to do so. Another form of eye candy, or I candy.
> the rest can pretty much be chalked off to a group of
> scared people needing a crusade.
No, a small group of people wanting to look important and control a
larger group of stupider scared people. Typical cult formation stuff.
> at the risk of starting a flame war:
> 0.) what the flying heck does this nutbar group in
> oklahoma have to do with mad science?
Zippo.
> 1.) americans aren't exactly a conservative group.
> this country voted for seperation of church and state.
Yep. Not all people agree, and the specter of a government (or UN)
threatening "you" makes the "you's" want to band together and look for A
LEADER. In walks the hairy Reverend Jehoosio Absolutismo, ready to lay
out a believable scenario which scares you even more, probably with
loose ends about "things you really don't want to know". And he keeps
asking "are you scared yet?"
Standard cult formation techniques.
The next step, is to get you to do things which would in your mind
make you break with the government, so that you feel you have no
recourse to any of its facilities, mediation, etc.
In gangs, this is often vandalizing something. In the Mafia, it is
often killing someone.
Once you break the law, your fear of getting caught puts you firmly
in their control.
As you said, we overthrew a theological kingdom (more or less) in
the belief that "all men are created equal" and later formalized the
implication that it included women.
We own the government, and if we are voters, we can petition the
government to do what we wish. You want to set the value of Pi to three,
go see the legislature. They just might be stupid enough to do so...
But not quite. Same for banning Dihydrogen Monoxide. Sooner or later,
the people see through it, even if they did have to shoot "The
Kingfish" Huey Long to
get rid of him.
> I'll grant that some church groups are worth-while
> causes (and I have helped out in some church-run soup
> kitchens), but far too many seem bound to - one might
> even say "hell-bent on" - saving my soul, converting
> my pagan wife, scrubbing my brain clean of the
> pernicious (sp) influences of that heathen named
> darwin, and using reparative therapy on my BiLesGa
> friends. In addition to sating that we should all use
> force of some kind to get other countries to follow
> our new moral lead.
Yep.
The only problem with religion, is that the people who worship are
so darned hard headed in their belief that everything is already known,
and their willingness to throw their lives away defending some god
damned book written by ignorant savages who didn't know what lighting
is, hadn't heard about bacteria, and pretty much thought the universe
was created for their control with their flat earth at the center.
And insist that if you ask loud and hard enough, some mythical
thing will grant you any wish.
Other than that...
The only difference between religions, is the opinions of the
people who worship.
Oh, by the way... I am an ordained minister, so I suppose I really
can say all this. After all, I've not been struck down by lightning yet!
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon May 23 17:58:42 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon May 23 17:58:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Operation Information.
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050524005843.76025.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
I LIKE THE SARCASTIC RESPONSE, AND GOT A GOOD
LAUGH, AT CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CYNICISM.
CLYDE
Robert Juliano wrote:
Clyde,
WARNING! THIS POST MAY OFFEND SOME!
maybe it's the fact that I've been to other countries,
or the fact that I don't trust church groups...
but that "operation information" website seemed more
than a little looney.
For the record:
"mastery learning" refers to both a level of
competence, and a form of task analysis.
"skill certificates" are a document (and a sort of
reward" for those kids that probably aren't going to
get a full diploma due to low functioning mental
retardation
the rest can pretty much be chalked off to a group of
scared people needing a crusade.
at the risk of starting a flame war:
0.) what the flying heck does this nutbar group in
oklahoma have to do with mad science?
1.) americans aren't exactly a conservative group.
this country voted for seperation of church and state.
we overthrew a religious government (the english king
was the head of hte anglican church), we decided
women's votes were just as good as men's. we decided
that free and public speech trumps the possible
concerns of a small church group (cable TV comes to
mind.) we decided that adults were allowed to regulate
their own sexual activity ("alternative lifestyles,"
the pill, condoms, abortion, et alia.)
2.) in my mind, many churches are quite definitely a
force of ignorance, bigotry, fear, sources of
violence, and a spur to torture. just take a look at
the fall of the roman empire, the inquisition, the
burnt over district, the dark ages, slavery in this
country, etc. , etc, etc...
choosing between a group of people dedicated to
peaceful exchange of goods, services, and tourists
- or -
a group dedicated to lies, ignorance, and suggested
violent behavior (look it up. violence is completely
supported in the bible...) propped up by a single
reference book with little if any outside facts to
back it up...yet insisting that we back them up over
all other groups...
for me...I'll help with the black helicopters (after
all, they're so quiet, yet fast moving...sounds like a
lot of maintainence time...)
I'll grant that some church groups are worth-while
causes (and I have helped out in some church-run soup
kitchens), but far too many seem bound to - one might
even say "hell-bent on" - saving my soul, converting
my pagan wife, scrubbing my brain clean of the
pernicious (sp) influences of that heathen named
darwin, and using reparative therapy on my BiLesGa
friends. In addition to sating that we should all use
force of some kind to get other countries to follow
our new moral lead.
I liked it better when you were sending links to
alternative energy, and small jet engines.
Non Serviam,
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> Operation information website:
>
> http://www.operationinformation.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Mon May 23 18:02:10 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Operation Information.
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I ENJOYED THE SARCASTIC RESPONSES TO THE
OPERATION INFORMATION WEBSITE.
CLYDE
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
> WARNING! THIS POST MAY OFFEND SOME!
And vital to others...
> maybe it's the fact that I've been to other countries,
> or the fact that I don't trust church groups...
> but that "operation information" website seemed more
> than a little looney.
Heh, heh, heh. A little?
Right on the front page, "UN treaties into Red government
mandates", as told by a Reverend. I mean, what more can you ask for,
but the ignorant speaking about the non-existent??? And he keeps asking
"scared yet?"
"DANGER Will Robinson, DANGER!" (From an old TV science fiction
series, "Lost in Space".)
The UN is not globalizing the world. The world is already a globe,
and it is commerce which is encouraging people to intercommunicate and
interrelate. (Often in ways that are totally inappropriate to the
people they are trying to civilize. Remember, the Chinese and Japanese
thought we were the savages.)
And who, pray tell, as been at the core of this mess since the
1400's and before? Well, um, ask the Reverend about the Jesuits and
other missionaries who would go out to convert the heathens, killing any
who opposed them "in the name of god!" (Or was it dog? Some of them,
by today's standards, might have been slightly dislexic, or otherwise
socially defective.)
Kind of makes you wonder why God created so many ignorant defective
savages who could not even discern the truth...
I think them heathens had the mad scientist experience of knowing
what they saw, yet being told by these black clad foreign savages, that
what they saw was before them was all lies and they were wrong. And
being tortured and killed for uttering the observable truth which
contradicted "The Truth!"
Does God lie?
OF COURSE NOT!!!
Then how do you explain all them dinosaur bones?
THEY WERE CREATED TO SEPARATE THE WORTHY FROM THE IGNORANT!
So god lies... Or you do.
> "skill certificates" are a document (and a sort of
> reward" for those kids that probably aren't going to
> get a full diploma due to low functioning mental
> retardation
Certificates are for people who need to judge, but are not
competent to do so. Another form of eye candy, or I candy.
> the rest can pretty much be chalked off to a group of
> scared people needing a crusade.
No, a small group of people wanting to look important and control a
larger group of stupider scared people. Typical cult formation stuff.
> at the risk of starting a flame war:
> 0.) what the flying heck does this nutbar group in
> oklahoma have to do with mad science?
Zippo.
> 1.) americans aren't exactly a conservative group.
> this country voted for seperation of church and state.
Yep. Not all people agree, and the specter of a government (or UN)
threatening "you" makes the "you's" want to band together and look for A
LEADER. In walks the hairy Reverend Jehoosio Absolutismo, ready to lay
out a believable scenario which scares you even more, probably with
loose ends about "things you really don't want to know". And he keeps
asking "are you scared yet?"
Standard cult formation techniques.
The next step, is to get you to do things which would in your mind
make you break with the government, so that you feel you have no
recourse to any of its facilities, mediation, etc.
In gangs, this is often vandalizing something. In the Mafia, it is
often killing someone.
Once you break the law, your fear of getting caught puts you firmly
in their control.
As you said, we overthrew a theological kingdom (more or less) in
the belief that "all men are created equal" and later formalized the
implication that it included women.
We own the government, and if we are voters, we can petition the
government to do what we wish. You want to set the value of Pi to three,
go see the legislature. They just might be stupid enough to do so...
But not quite. Same for banning Dihydrogen Monoxide. Sooner or later,
the people see through it, even if they did have to shoot "The
Kingfish" Huey Long to
get rid of him.
> I'll grant that some church groups are worth-while
> causes (and I have helped out in some church-run soup
> kitchens), but far too many seem bound to - one might
> even say "hell-bent on" - saving my soul, converting
> my pagan wife, scrubbing my brain clean of the
> pernicious (sp) influences of that heathen named
> darwin, and using reparative therapy on my BiLesGa
> friends. In addition to sating that we should all use
> force of some kind to get other countries to follow
> our new moral lead.
Yep.
The only problem with religion, is that the people who worship are
so darned hard headed in their belief that everything is already known,
and their willingness to throw their lives away defending some god
damned book written by ignorant savages who didn't know what lighting
is, hadn't heard about bacteria, and pretty much thought the universe
was created for their control with their flat earth at the center.
And insist that if you ask loud and hard enough, some mythical
thing will grant you any wish.
Other than that...
The only difference between religions, is the opinions of the
people who worship.
Oh, by the way... I am an ordained minister, so I suppose I really
can say all this. After all, I've not been struck down by lightning yet!
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From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon May 23 18:37:02 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Operation Information.
In-Reply-To: <20050524010157.60135.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 23, 2005 06:01:56 PM
Message-ID: <20050524013701.54416.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I ENJOYED THE SARCASTIC RESPONSES TO THE
> OPERATION INFORMATION WEBSITE.
I don't know as I would call our responces sarcastic. We pretty
much laid it out as is. The site is a typical narrow minded attempt to
recruite others with a bunch of false information and such. And the
people doing it are of the more narrow minded religious fringe. (Guys
like that either borrow religion, the way Osama did; or make it up from
scratch the way Aum did.)
There's a little truth in what they say. All propaganda, at least
all effective propaganda, has some truth as a launching point.
But the last thing these bozos really want, is the teaching of
their kids to THINK for themselves, which is supposed to be the basis of
all GOOD education. And the Bible, written at a time when son followed
father in occupation, and long, long before the discovery of what
lightning and bacteria can do, does NOT teach one how to think!
Indeed, one of the most frightening things to happen in the middle
ages, was that the common person could learn to read, and get his hands
on a bible. That was a huge blow to the church, as now a common person
could check what the church authorities were saying against the bible,
and even worse, could qote the bible in argument with the church
authorities.
Before that, it was songs and preachings that were supposed to
educate the ignorant peasants the way the church wanted them
mis-educated.
> Right on the front page, "UN treaties into Red government
> mandates", as told by a Reverend. I mean, what more can you ask for,
> but the ignorant speaking about the non-existent??? And he keeps asking
> "scared yet?"
> Yep. Not all people agree, and the specter of a government (or UN)
> threatening "you" makes the "you's" want to band together and look for A
> LEADER. In walks the hairy Reverend Jehoosio Absolutismo, ready to lay
> out a believable scenario which scares you even more, probably with
> loose ends about "things you really don't want to know". And he keeps
> asking "are you scared yet?"
This is just classical propaganda leading to cult-like
indoctrination on how to think about the real world from a singularly
narrow perspective.
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Mon May 23 19:49:34 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Mon May 23 19:49:52 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Operation Information.
In-Reply-To: <20050524005843.76025.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050524024935.30638.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com>
Clyde,
the only sarcasm that I remember putting in my
response was the bit of offering to do the 50 hour
checks on the UN black helicopters...
the operation information folks seem to be adept at
cherry picking, and active fact filtering.
As to the cynicism:
1.) I've seen the Roman Ruins. They became ruins due
to
a bunch of guys with swords deciding that christ
told them to burn/slash/destroy all of the "pagan"
influences in Rome.
2.) while I am not relgious, I *AM* deeply spiritual(I
believe that it is my duty* to God to use my
brains
in productive and constructive means, to help
others when I can, and to fight injustice and
punish evil when I see it. "criminals are a
cowardly and superstitous lot, and my symbol must
strike fear into their hearts...) therefore:
2A.) a group using selected facts with
questionable
relibility to scare people into doing things
against their interests (local, state,
national) via pushing for highly parochial
actions...goes against my duty.
2B.) a group trying to malign a trade and mutual
help group (the UN is pretty much just a
bunch
of nations trying to talk out their problems,
as opposed to going for the knives and guns.
fewer people die in negotiation than in
warfare...) doesn't strike me as a trust-
worthy group.
I mentioned "non serviam" in my last post. that means
"I will not serve." I won't, I acknowledge no being as
my master or owner. I do acknowledge certain
gods/godesses/totem animals/ancestors/heroes/ and
deceased engineers/writers/actors/statesmen/scientists
as worthy of praise, accessible for help-requests, and
remembrance.
*as to duty, I like heinlein's idea of duty as the set
of obligations I take on voluntarily. If I say "I"ll
get the mail through that occupied enemy territory,"
it's my duty. If I'm drafted, and then told to get the
mail through...I'll probably gold brick my way to a
neutral tavern.
Non Serviam,
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> I LIKE THE SARCASTIC RESPONSE, AND GOT A GOOD
> LAUGH, AT CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CYNICISM.
>
> CLYDE
>
> Robert Juliano wrote:
>
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From Vesta111 at aol.com Tue May 24 18:02:23 2005
From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com)
Date: Tue May 24 15:02:34 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: [exopolitics] Exopolitical Comment # 31: Bob
Message-ID: <1f0.3c8b5e43.2fc4fe6f@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/22/2005 3:27:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
javilk@mall-net.com writes:
A more recent terrestrial example would be Margaret Meade's
"growing up in Samoa", which though discredited by numerous researchers;
served as part of the basis of our so called sexual revolution and hippy
type movements which wasted a lot of human potential and left many
twisted, unhappy souls in its wake. (Not the only time a movement did
this!)
Woops-hold on one minute, I worked with a man about 15 years ago whose
mother was (he said) old Margs secretary in Samoa. If this man was a fraud, he
played the part well.
As more and more Indonesians come into our plant, I can find in what they
tell me, really strange stuff to my culture- and that it sounds familiar.
There is so much in Meades research that is going on today in the out back
in the islands in the Pacific.
One cannot discredit research done by someone who lived within said culture
unless they too experienced and lived as the researcher did.
In the state of Maine, one town has taken in people from Ethiopia. Everyone
of the refugees have to be taught simple things, the kids have to be trained
in of all things how to climb a flight of stairs in school.The parents how
to wash their hands and use our toilets. I know a person who works for the
state and the biggest problem is unspeakable to the western world. How to
prevent mothers of baby girls from the horrific practice of female circumcision.
How to stop a custom that is the basis of their culture for thousands of
years.
As for the hippies and the 60ies That generation came from the
upbringing of parents who had just survived WW2. Their parents and parents were still
in shock from the facts of Germany and the camps. They could not explain to
their children how humans could commit these atrocities to any other humans.
Then People on the west coast had to deal with their guilt over American camps
for 6th. generation Americans who's people just happen to come here from
Japan to help us build our railroads and be a part of this great experiment
called America.
That generation also watched TV and saw people, 8th generation Americans
being forced to live as 2 class citizens because their great grand parents were
kidnapped from Africa.
That generation as small kids watched as their parents, teachers, priest and
ministers, favorite authors and actors were dragged into government hearing
about their private political beliefs.
Then their lives were destroyed by an elected official who ( Had no
shame ).
What do you expect these kids to do when in Collage a professor gives them
LSD. Yup good old Tim Leary. Pot was advocated by the very people the parents
had trusted their children with.
Kids come home all screwed up and their parents who don't understand or want
to, throw the rotten kids out, what's the matter with you, no good kids.
That generation now controls America, they are scientists and screw up
Vietnam Vets, they are survivors and don't even know it.
Strawberry Fields Forever
Regards Vesta
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed May 25 01:13:56 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue May 24 18:14:09 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: [exopolitics] Exopolitical Comment # 31: Bob
In-Reply-To: <1f0.3c8b5e43.2fc4fe6f@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at May 24,
2005 06:02:23 PM
Message-ID: <20050525011356.41731.qmail@mall-net.com>
> In a message dated 5/22/2005 3:27:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> javilk@mall-net.com writes:
>
> A more recent terrestrial example would be Margaret Meade's
> "growing up in Samoa", which though discredited by numerous researchers;
> served as part of the basis of our so called sexual revolution and hippy
> type movements which wasted a lot of human potential and left many
> twisted, unhappy souls in its wake. (Not the only time a movement did
> this!)
>
> Woops-hold on one minute, I worked with a man about 15 years ago whose
> mother was (he said) old Margs secretary in Samoa. If this man was a fraud, he
> played the part well.
Extremely well! Because to her, it was not, in the conventional
sense, a fraud. And not necessarily to the total detriment of our
civilization. Balance lies somewhere in between.
> As more and more Indonesians come into our plant, I can find in what they
> tell me, really strange stuff to my culture- and that it sounds familiar.
>
> There is so much in Meades research that is going on today in the out back
> in the islands in the Pacific.
>
> One cannot discredit research done by someone who lived within said culture
> unless they too experienced and lived as the researcher did.
(As I recall...) They interviewed some of the people she interviewed
back then. Some said it must have been some other tribe she had heard
of, but were unfamiliar with which one. Basically, most said what she
reported was just not true of where she stayed. There was but one
exception, and that was a girl she had become somewhat close to.
There is the possibility she was fed a line! Or that the two of
them cooked it up.
Here was a young girl with her own ideas, in a place so far away no
one else would be likely to explore for a long time. A place some
thought of as Utopia, free from the grime of industry and "white man's
control". What better place to create the tale of another Utopia?
Another view of what might be?
And yet, how many other places have we explored, only to find that
man vs man is far more violent and prevalent than man vs nature? How
many tribes fight over and over? Yet how few nations declare war upon
each other!
Or what of Victorian times, when some kids would have their fun by
setting a cat or dog afire to see how madly it behaved?
> In the state of Maine, one town has taken in people from Ethiopia. Everyone
> of the refugees have to be taught simple things, the kids have to be trained
> in of all things how to climb a flight of stairs in school.The parents how
> to wash their hands and use our toilets. I know a person who works for the
So? I remember the first escalator I got on to, how I learned how
to use that. Whenever you encounter anything new, you need to learn how
to use it.
> state and the biggest problem is unspeakable to the western world. How to
> prevent mothers of baby girls from the horrific practice of female circumcision.
> How to stop a custom that is the basis of their culture for thousands of
> years.
Oh yes! But what's your point?
As a consultant, I work in many different places with many
different types of people. I remember working in one place full of
Indian Indians. I never saw Any Indian there wash his hands after
sitting in the toilet! Their management practices were also untenable
to the point where turnover was better than 50% per HALF year. With the
turnover and the use of people who did not speak the same dialect, the
products prone to disastrous malfunction. So much so, that the parent
company sold the division.
That said, one college chum was an Indian Indian, and he and I both
sold soap for extra income. Great guy! I've also worked for Indian
managers who were good people as well. Maybe they had been in the USA
longer, or maybe they had been yelled at enough for not washing their
hands that they learned that aspect of our culture.
> As for the hippies and the 60ies That generation came from the
> upbringing of parents who had just survived WW2. Their parents and parents were still
> in shock from the facts of Germany and the camps. They could not explain to
> their children how humans could commit these atrocities to any other humans.
Some yes, some no. I am a first generation American. My father
fought on the side of freedom behind the lines, simply because he felt
it was right to do so.
But look up The Stanford Prison Experiment by Zimbardo. Upper
class college kids, some playing prison guard, some playing prisoner as
an experiment. Even psychologist professor Zimbardo was sucked in.
(He married the administrator who asked him if what he was doing was
right.) See http://www.prisonexp.org
Also look up Stanley Milgram Experiment.
People are feedback junkies. We have social feedback loops just as
we have audio feedback loops. They both cause pain if left unchecked.
> Then People on the west coast had to deal with their guilt over American camps
> for 6th. generation Americans who's people just happen to come here from
> Japan to help us build our railroads and be a part of this great experiment
> called America.
Some guilt, but by and large, they were not responsible; the
government did that. And as I read, in some cases neighbors kept the
farms up, and gave the profits back to their neighbors when they came
back. Not in all cases, to be sure! But in some, they did care
about their neighbors where their neighbors had cared about them.
> What do you expect these kids to do when in Collage a professor gives them
> LSD. Yup good old Tim Leary. Pot was advocated by the very people the parents
> had trusted their children with.
The question is, what percent?
I well recall the anti-war protests at my college, how they made
headlines across the state. How maybe two dozen people, IF THAT, out of
a campus full of students, got headlines, scared my parents, etc.!
You call that news coverage???
And how non-students, some people clearly incapable of being
students, were on campus handing out literature which was clear (to me
at least) communist propaganda. I'd seen communist propaganda before.
I could tell it from simple idiot statements and petitions I'd also
seen. I remember flagging the Fusion Energy Forum or some such similar
magazine as having the rhetoric typical of socialist propaganda. My
father, and engineer, found it a little hard to believe in the
beginning, till founding crackpot Lyndon LaRouche surfaced.
But even LaRouche was right in his prediction of the African AIDS
plage.
What percentage of our generation was hippies? NOT MANY! (Too
many, but not that many.) And how many of them later reverted, became
decent hard working people? Many! Probably most of them.
And what of the poorest of the poor Blacks in Oakland living by the
Cypress structure 19 1989? They risked their lives saving upper class
people when it collapsed in the Loma Prieta earthquake.
> Kids come home all screwed up and their parents who don't understand or want
> to, throw the rotten kids out, what's the matter with you, no good kids.
>
> That generation now controls America, they are scientists and screw up
> Vietnam Vets, they are survivors and don't even know it.
You can also look at things from another point of view. Poverty
is today, what upper middle class wealth was 100 years ago. Even
better!
Nearly everyone has at least one telephone. In my childhood,
Welfare recipients were criticized for spending money on telephones.
Most people have and drive automobiles. Not so in my parent's
generation. Some of my grade school teachers remembered when
automobiles started showing up.
Outhouses are nearly gone in America. They were not so uncommon in
rural areas of my youth.
Just about all of us have electricity and running water, no more
pump at the sink or well outside to hand carry water from. Things I
remember seeing in my youth.
Street lights too! I remember flying in the 1970's and 1980's,
looking at how street lights were spreading across the nation. (I love
flying at night! Heck I love flying any time! I'd taken a course in
aerial photographic interpretation in college. It was my favorite
course in a sense, not because I did well at it; but because of what I
saw and learned.)
Television was a luxury when I was a child. The average home now
has several color TV sets.
And of course, a majority of Americans now have computers and are
on the internet, communicating with others across the globe, asking
about all kinds of things, receiving information which was, in my youth,
limited to those who lived in LARGE metropolitan areas with large
libraries. The minute interlibrary loans were available free, I started
requesting books via our little town library. Before that, I would
have to beg my father to drive me to a larger town or the state
university so I could look for things I was interested in.
In my youth, disagreements about how things in the world could not
be resolved because we lived in the age of ignorance. We respected
people for their education and the personal libraries they had
accumulated. Our family coffee table was several inches deep in
magazines and newspapers of many different persuasions, from American
Laboratory, to Good Housekeeping; from our town paper to papers from
several European countries. We spent a good chunk of money on those
magazines. (The joke the garbageman told about us was that he could
tell when so-and-so was quarreling with his wife for the TV dinners in
the garbage, or that other guy was on a drinking binge for the bottles;
but he didn't know what we ate because all we ever threw away was
magazines and newspapers.)
Today, if we disagree about things, if some learned person or even
a doctor tells us things we don't believe, we Google it!!!
Every night, I look upon the face of the universe through some of
the greatest telescopes that ever were, reading about that what is out
there. Every day, I look at newspaper articles from around the globe,
and technical articles from several disciplines.
My parents read the Washington Times, Der Speigel, and newspapers
from their homeland every day.
ALL FOR FREE!!!
If that is not wealth, I don't know what is.
The poorest are now wealthier than the wealthy of the previous
generation.
And we, that so-called lost generation, created much of it and are
still creating it today.
We live in the greatest times that ever were, times when knowledge
and ability are more abundant, and more able, than ever before.
Those who wish, can. Those who do care, never could. Now, more
than ever.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Wed May 25 12:14:01 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: May Special Update
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From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Wed May 25 12:39:22 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Novel Human Interface Device
Message-ID: <005201c56161$6ff004d0$6401a8c0@mikey>
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1
&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,729,337.WKU.&OS=PN/6,729,337&RS=P
N/6,729,337
Or:
http://snipurl.com/f582
US Patent 6,729,337
Method and system for generating sensory data onto the human neural cortex
Abstract
A non-invasive system and process for projecting sensory data onto the human
neural cortex is provided. The system includes a primary transducer array
and a secondary transducer array. The primary transducer array acts as a
coherent signal source, and the secondary transducer array acts as a
controllable diffraction pattern that focuses energy onto the neural cortex
in a desired pattern. In addition, the pattern of energy is constructed such
that each portion projected into the neural cortex may be individually
pulsed at low frequency. This low frequency pulsing is formed by controlling
the phase differences between the emitted energy of the elements of primary
and secondary transducer arrays
From javilk at mall-net.com Wed May 25 22:39:54 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed May 25 15:39:58 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: May Special Update
In-Reply-To: <20050525191343.85865.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 25, 2005 12:13:43 PM
Message-ID: <20050525223954.79623.qmail@mall-net.com>
> ? A New Infrastructure Is Needed To Support Hydrogen-Powered Cars. Two
> years ago, the President launched his Hydrogen Fuel Initiative to help
> develop the technology necessary for infrastructure to produce, store,
> and distribute hydrogen for use in fuel-cell vehicles. Hydrogen can
> be produced from domestic fossil, nuclear, or renewable resources.
Point is, hydrogen is not an energy source.
It is, at best, an energy transport system.
> ? With Hydrogen Fuel, A Zero-Emission Car Is Possible. The President's
> hydrogen initiatives promote development of technologies that will
> lead to safe and affordable hydrogen-powered fuel-cell vehicles that
> would emit water vapor instead of exhaust fumes.
It will also emit nitrous oxides from the combustion of air IF the
hydrogen is burned. Burning in an internal combustion engine, not fuel
cells, is likely to be the initial mechanism of reclaiming a substantial
portion of the energy spent producing hydrogen. Old vehicles will
likely be retrofited with hydrogen carburetors, as the cost or
replacing those older vehicles will be too great. People do not have
that much money, nor do the banks. A gradual transition is far less
stressful to the myriads of small town and shade tree mechanics.
Only the new vehicles will be equipped with electric motors on each
wheel...
> Turning Hydrogen Fuel Into A Reality. Over the past two years, the
> Department of Energy and its partners in the FreedomCAR and Hydrogen
> Fuel Initiatives have made tremendous progress toward the President's
> goal of enabling today's children to take their future driver?s tests
> in completely pollution-free cars.
Over half the carbon in air pollution comes from tires (and road
tar), not gasoline, according to studies I read in the early 1980's.
Tire dust contains a lot of graphite. Bacteria and fungi eat much of
the rubber holding the stuff together, etc.
Thus the completely pollution free automobile is not a reality. We
can and should reduce pollution as much as feasible, of course! But
Zero is not attainable.
> ? Hydrogen Fuel Has Become More Affordable. New technology has
> contributed to a reduction in the cost of natural gas-based hydrogen
> production from $5.00 per gallon in 2003 to $3.60 today.
Not very cost effective vs gasoline. Also, one still has the
carbon to deal with from the CnHm petroleum molecules broken down to
produce petrochemical based hydrogen.
> ? The United States Has Organized Support From Around The World For
> Hydrogen Technology. Sixteen nations and the European Commission have
> joined the U.S.-initiated International Partnership for The Hydrogen
> Economy, an international effort to collaborate on hydrogen research
> and establish global codes and standards necessary for all countries to
> realize competitively priced hydrogen vehicles and fueling
> infrastructure by 2020.
A lot of the global CO2 greenhouse gases come from places like
India and China, as well as general agricultural burning across the
globe. if we stopped agricultural burning and dumped all agri-waste
into the ocean trenches, America would meet it's Kyoto mandates.
(Question is whether that all makes any sense to do! It ain't free, and
we don't know the consequences!)
The people of backward nations do not, by and large, see high tech
as cheaper than low tech. And for good reasons. First, it is rarely
lower cost; and second, it has an infrastructure which is, by and large
NOT individual friendly! It is more like McWorld created by megalithic
corporations that dictate to the individuals what they can or can not
do.
Back yard solar is a different story. You buy the panel, you own
the means of production. You do not need to deal with McEnergy and
their silly rules that you must wear shoes and a shirt to buy their
energy elixir from their kiosks.
While I favor hydrogen research, the best hydrogen sources we
should aim for, are water dwelling plants or water borne catalysts which
release hydrogen bubbles. Those are the means of production an
individual person may own and use.
Megalithic corporations and megalithic governments are not
responsive, and often not even responsible to the people. By
controlling the means of production, they control the people, and often
create areas of economic depression by taking money out of local
circulation and spinning it elsewhere. Wall-Mart is one such
corporation. Wall-Mart moves in, small retailers die, and unemployment
lines grow. When the community is economically devastated to the point
of not being able to support sales, Wall-Mart moves on out. And then,
if the people lack the imagination to do other things, they too, have to
move to wherever they can get jobs. And so, the cities grow.
This is not all bad. There are many benefits. But I think the
costs that no one takes into consideration, are the costs to a COMMUNITY
of INTER-RELATIONSHIPS, an ecology of friendships and cooperation, as
it were.
It is good to monetize. But not everything can, or should, be
monetized. Our race toward industrial perfection has devastated the
extended family. We do not take that into formal consideration.
Yet one large set of markets revolves around that extended family,
a market created by this industrial tearing apart of that family. It is
the market of picture phones and the internet. Many of us now use
photography and e-mail as a means of daily communication with our close
relatives and the friends we made decades ago, before this gigantic
industrial stirring and mixing of America's communities.
Back in the 1800's, America's greatest strength was the family
farm. On this farm, Grandma and Grandpa performed retirement level
chores, kids performed entry level chores, and the heads of the family
did the bulk of the planning and work. Grandma and Grandpa were always
there to share their wisdom, provide day care, and far more, to reap
the rewards of raising good children. Who cares more, Grandma, or some
daycare worker?
All this is gone! Off the list, Mike spoke of his childhood, and I
of mine; how we attained our sense of duty and belonging in our
neighborhoods. (Might not be such a bad idea to forward those posts,
Mike.)
All this is gone!
Today, the individual stands stressfully alone. Yes, he can fly
down a road at 90 miles an hour, compute a spreadsheet that would make
anyone's head spin 30 years ago, and know what the price of cotton is in
Tangeres within seconds.
Grandma isn't there to suggest what he should do with that
information, nor the profit from it, if any. (If you plant a seed in
the soil, it grows. Are you planting your profit or eating your seed
corn?)
Jefferson's and Franklin's original push was to allow property
ownership, not the more ambiguous "pursuit of happiness", whatever that
might be. Because in those days, it was the ownership of land upon
which the production of this nation rested. And it was the individual,
you and me, who decided what was good for him and his neighbors.
Megalithic corporations have very little of this sense of community.
Because we are not their peers! We are but resources, to be discarded
when cheaper resources may be found elsewhere on this globe.
We, as mad scientists, are individuals.
We, as the mad scientists who created this grand nation through our
inventions of everything from retail bags of potash to cement, from
light bulbs to telephones, Must look to your future first!
The creation of individually ownable and controllable things, such
as cheaper solar, solar hydrogen, and the like, is FAR, FAR better than
leaving that up to the all mighty megalithic corporation.
Megalithics are not necessarily bad to have around! Some things
are indeed better made by megalithics.
But we also need the small family run corporation, and the kind of
personal power which personal energy (and personal computing) provides
us. These re not just vital economic sources; like the family farm, they
are even more vital social institutions helping our children grow from
dependence to independence. And then holding them in honor and comfort
as they age back to dependence.
We need balance. We need more personal / family energy systems, be
they home wind power, home solar, home co-generation, or home hydrogen.
The challenge is upon us, the mad scientists of the world, to
discover, improve, and personalize technologies so that there CAN be
more mad scientists who are FREE of corporate contracts which prevent
them from developing their own ideas in the time honored mad scientist /
lone inventor ways.
As Isaac Asimov wrote "Mankind's greatest asset is the unsettled
mind."
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed May 25 18:59:59 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Wed May 25 16:00:07 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hydrogen economy
Message-ID: <006201c5617d$7bb08760$6401a8c0@mikey>
Q: From where do we get the hydrogen???
A: Electrolysis of water.
Q: From where do we get the electricity to electrolyze water?
A: Coal-fired and oil-fired power plants.
Q: Are more energy losses incurred in transport of electricity, or the
transport of fossil fuels?
A: Transport of electricity.
Q: Is more pollution generated from power plants, or from automobiles?
A: Six for one, half-dozen for the other. Pays your money, picks your
poison!
Q: Is this just another piece of political/media bull excrement?
A: YOU decide!
There are other alternatives; my most preferred existing technology is
nuclear fission. Second is reduction of water to hydrogen and carbon
monoxide with coke ("Town Gas").
-MB
From javilk at mall-net.com Wed May 25 23:33:35 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed May 25 16:33:39 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Hydrogen economy
In-Reply-To: <006201c5617d$7bb08760$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at May
25, 2005 06:59:59 PM
Message-ID: <20050525233335.11144.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Q: From where do we get the hydrogen???
>
> A: Electrolysis of water.
And other ways. The key here, is that we are:
1. Trying to develop a better energy transport system
2. trying to develop multiple energy technologies
3. Trying to develop less polluting transportation
> Q: From where do we get the electricity to electrolyze water?
> A: Coal-fired and oil-fired power plants.
Any form of energy, be it natural gas, petroleum, solar, nuclear,
etc.
> Q: Is more pollution generated from power plants, or from automobiles?
>
> A: Six for one, half-dozen for the other. Pays your money, picks your
> poison!
I think the key is that we get to pick. With that, if the
specifications are not too burro-cratic, the small time inventor has a
chance.
> Q: Is this just another piece of political/media bull excrement?
> A: YOU decide!
That's certainly a component! But that is a component of nearly
every political media circus.
> There are other alternatives; my most preferred existing technology is
> nuclear fission. Second is reduction of water to hydrogen and carbon
> monoxide with coke ("Town Gas").
We haven't got realistic fission yet. Farnsworth doesn't yet work,
The Rigatrons produce too much radioactive structural material, and the
Tokomacs... are less than likely to do it.
The nice thin about hydrogen, is that it is an electrical cord with
a standardized three prong plug. No ash belcher needed in your back
yard.
It's a start. It might go nowhere, or everywhere. but people are
DOING something, LOOKING at alternatives, etc. And of we keep the
megalithics from over-specifying the containers and connectors, we'll do
ok.
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From javilk at mall-net.com Wed May 25 23:39:05 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed May 25 16:39:07 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: May Special Update
In-Reply-To: <20050525223954.79623.qmail@mall-net.com> from
"javilk@mall-net.com" at May 25, 2005 10:39:54 PM
Message-ID: <20050525233905.14749.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> Over half the carbon in air pollution comes from tires (and road
> tar), not gasoline, according to studies I read in the early 1980's.
> Tire dust contains a lot of graphite. Bacteria and fungi eat much of
> the rubber holding the stuff together, etc.
Technical correction: I believe that was solid carbon containing
particulates in smog, not including carbon dioxide. Major source was a
study in Denver, as cited in some book on carbon in the environment.
Denver had, at the time, terrible temperature inversions with wood smoke
and other carbon sources creating pollution. I believe they pioneered
the no-burn days when wood stove burning was banned as a way of saving
people's lives.
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed May 25 21:51:22 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Wed May 25 18:51:34 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Hydrogen economy
In-Reply-To: <20050525233335.11144.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <002601c56195$6c0670f0$6401a8c0@mikey>
> From: javilk@mall-net.com [mailto:javilk@mall-net.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:34 PM
> > There are other alternatives; my most preferred existing technology is
> > nuclear fission. Second is reduction of water to hydrogen and carbon
> > monoxide with coke ("Town Gas").
> We haven't got realistic fission yet. Farnsworth doesn't yet work,
> The Rigatrons produce too much radioactive structural material, and the
> Tokomacs... are less than likely to do it.
Fission, not fusion, John. Fusion is obviously the long-term solution, but
it ain't here yet. It's close, but no cigar.
-MB
From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Wed May 25 19:41:49 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Wed May 25 19:42:02 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Hydrogen economy
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050526024149.83960.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com>
I always liked integrated systems:
1.) use the heat generated from rad waste to crack
water.
2.) use power (via RTG) generated from rad waste to
crack water. (i seem to remember hearing that RTG
systems in the late 60's were pumping out 4 watts of
useable power per gram of plutonium. this means that -
assuming the figures from the book "fuel from water"
are correct - 1 kilo of good old Pu yields something
like 3 lbs of hydrogen per hour.)not quite harrowing
hell, but a good start. If the US puts out 10 tons per
year of rad waste, then we get 10 * 1E6 *3 * 24 aka
7.2E8 aka 360,000 tons per day. I'm pretty sure that
the US generates more than 10 tons per year of rad
waste, but I'd need to see good numbers.
but even if the US only generates that 10 tons of
rad waste, that's 360,000 tons of hydrogen per day!
(in it would accumulate each year...) from the
admittedly little I remember from my readings in re
hydrogen (I'm still recovering from a 12 hour drive
from maryland...) hydrogen gets something like 50%
power (in terms of tank size). just using this for
trains and buses saves (literally) a boatload of oil
per day. just using it on private cars replaces
somewhere between .5% and 2% of the US total gas
consumption (assuming average travel per day is 200
miles round trip, fleet average mileage is 15 mpg, 16%
of total US population below mental requirements, 16%
over age requirements.)
3.) use a "water pipe" to filter out the nitric and
nitrous oxides in re hydrogen cars.
3A.) at each filling station (or build bigger filters,
and change at oil change time) collect the NOS and
NOX.
3B.) use the NOS and the NOX for fertilizers and
rocket oxidizers. milled coal and NOS makes a dandy
rocket fuel...
Bob
--- Michael Best wrote:
>
> > From: javilk@mall-net.com
> [mailto:javilk@mall-net.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:34 PM
>
> > > There are other alternatives; my most preferred
> existing technology is
> > > nuclear fission. Second is reduction of water
> to hydrogen and carbon
> > > monoxide with coke ("Town Gas").
>
> > We haven't got realistic fission yet.
> Farnsworth doesn't yet work,
> > The Rigatrons produce too much radioactive
> structural material, and the
> > Tokomacs... are less than likely to do it.
>
> Fission, not fusion, John. Fusion is obviously the
> long-term solution, but
> it ain't here yet. It's close, but no cigar.
>
> -MB
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu May 26 04:11:20 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed May 25 21:11:22 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Hydrogen economy
In-Reply-To: <002601c56195$6c0670f0$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at May
25, 2005 09:51:22 PM
Message-ID: <20050526041120.24642.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > We haven't got realistic fission yet. Farnsworth doesn't yet work,
> > The Rigatrons produce too much radioactive structural material, and the
> > Tokomacs... are less than likely to do it.
>
> Fission, not fusion, John. Fusion is obviously the long-term solution, but
> it ain't here yet. It's close, but no cigar.
You are right, I meant fusion. Though quite frankly, Fission isn't
quite here yet either. Not on the scale we expected, thanks to our
burro-cratic incompetencies, the idiocity of a company I briefly worked
for long ago, Jane Fonda, and a few other things.
I don't know what the long term solution is, and it's certainly not
obvious to me or to many other people. I don't think there is one best
solution, yet, and so we need to pursue many paths.
I can only remind you that when we started in on building nuclear
fission plants, they said electricity would be so cheap, they would not
bother to meter it. Didn't happen.
As we learn more about our universe, perhaps we may find better
ways that do not involve quite the production of nuclear waste, nor
burro-cratic regulo-craptic waste.
I know some people who have had to file a ton of permits to be able
to mount solar panels on their roof! I know others who simply can not
get the permits because the county just does not want people out there,
despite clear titles to the land. And when one place burned down here,
they said the solar panels caused the fire because they were not
permitted. (??? no permits equal fire???) So they started doing a sweep
for non-permitted solar and such. (What, gasoline engine generators and
kerosene lamps are safer???)
To avoid that, we need to think small back-yard-energy type stuff
that one man can own, hide in a shed, and keep the burro-crats from
taxing and regulating the crap out of. Kind of like "moonshine" so o
dem slack jawed odd folks in the woods make fro tam ta tam. But without
the same debilitating effects. (I've seen some of them slack jawed
folks... A stack o bones that ain'ts gots the sense to fall ova. )
Farnsworth's setup, if made to work, wouldn't be safe enough for
dem backwoods folks. Though given what they do with some of their pickup
trucks, it's inevitable some would bolt rigs together and fry themselves
and their relatives. Helooo AEC "Revinooors!" Well, we've got to
examine them so we might as well tax them, and make up for the loss of
tax revenue from the electric power companies, etc.
So far, it looks more like solar than fusion. But quite frankly,
solar is unreliable, and for maximum output, requires an awful lot of
maintenance.
(Solar is never available when you need it at night, and during the
day, if you want good output, you need to turn the panel three to five
times a day. Not to mention terrible peak power characteristics,
expensive as all heck, etc.)
But for all I've seen, except for peak loads for washing clothes,
solar is cheaper than generator power.
http://www.HomePower.com/
http://www.solar-electric.com/
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Thu May 26 05:01:57 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Wed May 25 22:02:00 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Novel Human Interface Device
In-Reply-To: <005201c56161$6ff004d0$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at May
25, 2005 03:39:14 PM
Message-ID: <20050526050157.59415.qmail@mall-net.com>
> US Patent 6,729,337
>
> Method and system for generating sensory data onto the human neural cortex
Interesting... but... not exactly good for the brain... I suspect.
If it irritates the cells enough to alter firing rates...
Brain excercise, training and improvement:
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/mg18625011.900
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Thu May 26 01:46:07 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Wed May 25 22:46:19 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Hydrogen economy
In-Reply-To: <20050526041120.24642.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c561b6$381cc980$6401a8c0@mikey>
> From: javilk@mall-net.com [mailto:javilk@mall-net.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:11 AM
> You are right, I meant fusion. Though quite frankly, Fission isn't
> quite here yet either. Not on the scale we expected, thanks to our
> burro-cratic incompetencies, the idiocity of a company I briefly worked
> for long ago, Jane Fonda, and a few other things.
Well, faced with the clear and present danger of global warming, the
"tree-huggers" are softening their stance on nuclear fission plants. Twenty
and thirty years ago, these knee-jerks were more entranced with the
environmental cause du jour, nuke power plants. Unfortunately, Three Mile
Island, and the later catastrophe in Chernobyl apparently lent credence to
their arguments. Both were caused by human error, and lack of robust
design, as in the case of Chernobyl.
Today's modern fission reactor technology would have rendered both accidents
impossible. We live, err, and learn from our errors.
The intelligent learn from their mistakes. Only fools repeat them, or make
them for profit- either economic or political. Chernobyl happened because
poorly-trained technicians, slavishly adherent to the "textbook," never
attempting to exercise their own initiative, following orders from even more
ignorant managers, took the reactor outside its stable operating parameters.
An unstable nuclear reactor is ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN on MY planet!
The design of the Chernobyl reactor was atmospheric-pressure, water-cooled
reactor. When it went unstable from their politically-ordered test, when
the inexperienced operators started this test to appease their
command-economy managers, what happened was that hot-spots developed in its
graphite-moderator core. These distorted the cadmium control-rod channels,
so that the neutron-absorbing control rods could not be fully inserted. Of
course, the most distortion occurred in the hottest places in the core- so
where the reaction MOST needed to be quenched, it was quite impossible to do
so. Within seconds, the coolant water boiled away, the graphite moderator
caught fire (remember- ATMOSPHERIC reactor, the water and graphite were
exposed to the atmosphere). The containment building blew, the core melted,
and we had the worst nuclear accident in history.
Do not ask where I learned these details.
Today we have improved technology. Pebble-bed fission reactors are
thousands of times safer. We still have the issue of waste disposal- but we
have that issue with fossil fuels!
> I don't know what the long term solution is, and it's certainly not
> obvious to me or to many other people. I don't think there is one best
> solution, yet, and so we need to pursue many paths.
There are two long-term solutions I see- Zero population growth, and fusion.
IMHO, we humans are already extinct, and do not know it. We have
overpopulated our habitat. Without our technology, we would face a massive
die-off of H. Sapiens, 30-70% of our population.
Our tech keeps us alive, if for but the near-term. But Momma Nature is a
four-door, chrome-plated B!TC#. Sooner or later, our sins against her WILL
get us! We are animals on this planet, nothing more or less. We are
supposed to use our intelligence for the benefit of our species, NOT OUR
WALLET! I've yet to see a hearse being followed by a Wells-Fargo armored
car!
If you live, you WILL die. If anyone is left on Earth in a hundred years,
what would you have them say about you?
Which name do you remember, Galileo, or the Catholic Pope that sentenced him
to lifetime house arrest for heresy, for daring to state that the Earth
revolves around the Sun?
> I can only remind you that when we started in on building nuclear
> fission plants, they said electricity would be so cheap, they would not
> bother to meter it. Didn't happen.
And my hero, Nikola Tesla, said the same, a hundred years ago.
My opinion- there is NOTHING in this world that some greedy @$$hoie cannot
meter and sell!
> As we learn more about our universe, perhaps we may find better
> ways that do not involve quite the production of nuclear waste, nor
> burro-cratic regulo-craptic waste.
John, I agree that our knowledge of physics will someday accomplish this.
However, our politics will surely pervert it, to the detriment of our
civilization!
> that one man can own, hide in a shed, and keep the burro-crats from
> taxing and regulating the crap out of. Kind of like "moonshine" so o
If it impacts the vested interests that pay for politicians, then it WILL be
regulated! C'mon, John, you know of my troubles with the local system, from
not mowing my yard to their satisfaction, to their condemning my well, and
dosing my wetlands with pesticide- without my knowledge or consent! I may
have a deed in my name, but I do not own my property, it is owned by the
Government! I cannot use it as I please, but they sure as hell can! And
they have proven this more than once- you know this.
> examine them so we might as well tax them, and make up for the loss of
> tax revenue from the electric power companies, etc.
NOW you see the REAL issue! It's all about MONEY!! The guy that runs
DukeEnergy doesn't give a flying f**k at a rolling donut about the year
2050. All he cares about is his bonus in 2005!
In the 1970's and early 1980's, businesses were run by visionary managers
and scientists who thought about the long-term results. By the 1990's,
businesses were taken over by MBA beancounters that were more concerned with
the short-term stock price that the long-term survivability of the company.
These idiots realize that they can show a profit by destroying the company
faster than the sales decrease, file bankruptcy, use their golden parachute
to bail, and then do it again at another company- for even more money!
> So far, it looks more like solar than fusion. But quite frankly,
> solar is unreliable, and for maximum output, requires an awful lot of
> maintenance.
I am currently consulting with a local firm in the development of a novel
solar technology. I cannot discuss it, but it seems to have promise.
I still urge everyone to pursue fusion. Extracting solar energy in one
place on Earth will cool another. A five-degree cooling of the Gulf Stream
current would throw the British Isles into another ice age!
And to listen to the current wailings of the knee-jerks, we have too much
solar energy hanging around now!
As all energy used eventually winds up as heat, we need LESS solar energy,
lest we accelerate global warming!
Pays your money, picks your poison!
-MB
From javilk at mall-net.com Thu May 26 07:02:53 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu May 26 00:02:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Hydrogen economy
In-Reply-To: <003c01c561b6$381cc980$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at May
26, 2005 01:46:07 AM
Message-ID: <20050526070253.55589.qmail@mall-net.com>
> Well, faced with the clear and present danger of global warming, the
> "tree-huggers" are softening their stance on nuclear fission plants. =
We don't know for sure about global warming. Only tree-hugger
warming.
> so. Within seconds, the coolant water boiled away, the graphite =
> moderator
> caught fire (remember- ATMOSPHERIC reactor, the water and graphite were
> exposed to the atmosphere). The containment building blew, the core =
> melted, and we had the worst nuclear accident in history.
Actually, I believe it was one of the more fortunate accidents in
history. It was one of the things that made the sovs seriously think
about what a nuclear war would mean.
That, and the accidental explosion that blew up one of their North
Sea ports, where they had been accumulating munitions for what was
presumed to be the 1984 WW-III. If someone did that deliberately, he
deserves the Nobel Peace Prize!
> Today we have improved technology. Pebble-bed fission reactors are
> thousands of times safer. We still have the issue of waste disposal- =
Yes, but who's building them in the USA?
> There are two long-term solutions I see- Zero population growth, and =
> fusion.
> IMHO, we humans are already extinct, and do not know it. We have
> overpopulated our habitat. Without our technology, we would face a =
> massive
> die-off of H. Sapiens, 30-70% of our population.
A 70% die-off is not extinction. Neither is a 90% die-off. We had
a 90% die-off in the Justinian Plagues. Genetic research suggests that
we had a 98% die-off some time in the past. Rather horrific, to be
sure! But humanity survived. It's the reason we have so little genetic
diversity today.
> Our tech keeps us alive, if for but the near-term. But Momma Nature is =
Our tech will keep the intelligent alive as long as there are
enough intelligent people around. I fear religion more than war; yet I
am a minister of sorts.
> My opinion- there is NOTHING in this world that some greedy @$$hoie =
> cannot meter and sell!
gee, I should be trying to figure out what to meter and sell!
Care for a jar of breccia from the San Andreas and Sargent faults of
California? Only $29.94 and $4.95 shipping and handling. Do note that
we only have so much of this gravel available...
Greed is good, at least in moderation. Enron was greed unbridled.
That was disaster. But greed was a sin in the middle ages, and we know
how paltry it was back then.
> > As we learn more about our universe, perhaps we may find better
> > ways that do not involve quite the production of nuclear waste, nor
> > burro-cratic regulo-craptic waste.
>
> John, I agree that our knowledge of physics will someday accomplish =
> this.
>
> However, our politics will surely pervert it, to the detriment of our
> civilization!
Some regulation is often better than none. Politics is better than
anarchy or dictatorship. I have more faith in humanity than you do.
> In the 1970's and early 1980's, businesses were run by visionary =
> managers and scientists who thought about the long-term results. By the 1990's,
Not all! And today, not all don't.
> businesses were taken over by MBA beancounters that were more concerned =
> These idiots realize that they can show a profit by destroying the =
> company faster than the sales decrease, file bankruptcy, use their golden =
> parachute to bail, and then do it again at another company- for even more money! =20
This is indeed a problem. Sarbranes Oxley (misspelled) is a
political counter. Better than nothing.
> > So far, it looks more like solar than fusion. But quite frankly,
> > solar is unreliable, and for maximum output, requires an awful lot of
> > maintenance.
>
> I am currently consulting with a local firm in the development of a =
> novel
> solar technology. I cannot discuss it, but it seems to have promise.
Great!
> I still urge everyone to pursue fusion. Extracting solar energy in one
> place on Earth will cool another. A five-degree cooling of the Gulf =
> Stream
> current would throw the British Isles into another ice age!
About time we got back at them danged royalists! (Just kidding!)
I really don't know how true this solar extraction cooling is! Do
you have some references?
> And to listen to the current wailings of the knee-jerks, we have too =
> much solar energy hanging around now!
The only cause of adequate energy is inadequate imagination!
> As all energy used eventually winds up as heat, we need LESS solar =
> energy,
> lest we accelerate global warming!
Again, I doubt this is significant. Would you care to provide some
references?
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
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From agassi at erols.com Thu May 26 03:06:33 2005
From: agassi at erols.com (Aaron Agassi)
Date: Thu May 26 00:06:59 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Hydrogen economy
In-Reply-To: <003c01c561b6$381cc980$6401a8c0@mikey>
Message-ID:
Indeed, let us consider the true circumstances nuclear fission, called "the
silliest and most dangerous way of boiling water."
Is the technology of nuclear fission reactors inherently unsafe not to
mention, cost ineffective and unprofitable? I submit that this is unclear,
because of the manifestly silly and dangerous human factors involved,
historically.
If there is anything worse than sending an engineer to do the job of a
scientist, it's sending a scientist to do the job of an engineer. The first
nuclear piles or reactors, where not only inherently dangerous, but
deliberately and necessarily so, because they where intended for "tickling
the dragon's tail," coming as close as possible, without actually reaching,
critical mass for a thermonuclear reaction.
So, when the prospect arise of harnessing nuclear power for the generation
of electricity on a large scale, what did they do? Why, they simply
multiplied the specs!
In the meantime, and somewhat belatedly, a better design has been developed
by Germany in collaboration with the United States, a smaller reactor with
spheres nuclear fuel in a fixed position for the desired level of
excitation. There are no control rods, nor need thereof. The reactor is
incapable of a China Syndrome melt down, even in tests with the coolant
system shut down! But naturally, the superior and safer design remains
obscure.
But there is more, if not worse:
Why are European reactors safer than American reactors? Because European
reactors are standardized, with interchangeable parts and a better design,
while American reactors, such as the reactor at Three Mile Island, are all
flawed untested custom designs!
Also, the construction companies for nuclear reactors finish the job,
collect their fees, and leave the township holding the bag as it turns out
just how cost inefficient the reactors are! (Of course, the deliberate
sabotage by the Greens is designed to exacerbate just such fiscal problems.)
Instead, obviously, with an enterprise the likes of nuclear power
generation, any participants clearly ought to be vested and responsible for
the long haul.
Another problem is how the regulatory agency for any industry inevitably and
typically becomes, instead, it's interest group. And normally, there are
already tradeoffs with such an outcome. But just such endemic conflict of
interests is obviously, especially and entirely unsuitable for an industry
such as nuclear power!
Unimaginatively rigid and poorly conceived safety regulations are actually
said to stifle safety innovation in nuclea reactor design.
By every reasonable expectation, mobile atomic reactors such as nuclear
submarines, ought to be the very worst. And yet, the American Navy maintains
the very highest safety records for it's nuclear submarine fleet! How can
this be? Only because the United States Navy runs such a tight ship!
Clearly, human factors can be seen to outweigh technological considerations
alone.
And there's the very same blindness to this self same insight on both sides
of the debate, pro or anti nuke.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> [mailto:mad-scientists-bounces@Mad-Scientists.ORG]On Behalf Of Michael
> Best
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 1:46 AM
> To: javilk@mall-net.com
> Cc: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG
> Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Hydrogen economy
>
>
> > From: javilk@mall-net.com [mailto:javilk@mall-net.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:11 AM
>
> > You are right, I meant fusion. Though quite frankly, Fission isn't
> > quite here yet either. Not on the scale we expected, thanks to our
> > burro-cratic incompetencies, the idiocity of a company I briefly worked
> > for long ago, Jane Fonda, and a few other things.
>
> Well, faced with the clear and present danger of global warming, the
> "tree-huggers" are softening their stance on nuclear fission
> plants. Twenty
> and thirty years ago, these knee-jerks were more entranced with the
> environmental cause du jour, nuke power plants. Unfortunately, Three Mile
> Island, and the later catastrophe in Chernobyl apparently lent credence to
> their arguments. Both were caused by human error, and lack of robust
> design, as in the case of Chernobyl.
>
> Today's modern fission reactor technology would have rendered
> both accidents
> impossible. We live, err, and learn from our errors.
>
> The intelligent learn from their mistakes. Only fools repeat
> them, or make
> them for profit- either economic or political. Chernobyl happened because
> poorly-trained technicians, slavishly adherent to the "textbook," never
> attempting to exercise their own initiative, following orders
> from even more
> ignorant managers, took the reactor outside its stable operating
> parameters.
> An unstable nuclear reactor is ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN on MY planet!
>
> The design of the Chernobyl reactor was atmospheric-pressure, water-cooled
> reactor. When it went unstable from their politically-ordered test, when
> the inexperienced operators started this test to appease their
> command-economy managers, what happened was that hot-spots
> developed in its
> graphite-moderator core. These distorted the cadmium control-rod
> channels,
> so that the neutron-absorbing control rods could not be fully
> inserted. Of
> course, the most distortion occurred in the hottest places in the core- so
> where the reaction MOST needed to be quenched, it was quite
> impossible to do
> so. Within seconds, the coolant water boiled away, the graphite moderator
> caught fire (remember- ATMOSPHERIC reactor, the water and graphite were
> exposed to the atmosphere). The containment building blew, the
> core melted,
> and we had the worst nuclear accident in history.
>
> Do not ask where I learned these details.
>
> Today we have improved technology. Pebble-bed fission reactors are
> thousands of times safer. We still have the issue of waste
> disposal- but we
> have that issue with fossil fuels!
>
> > I don't know what the long term solution is, and it's certainly not
> > obvious to me or to many other people. I don't think there is one best
> > solution, yet, and so we need to pursue many paths.
>
> There are two long-term solutions I see- Zero population growth,
> and fusion.
> IMHO, we humans are already extinct, and do not know it. We have
> overpopulated our habitat. Without our technology, we would face
> a massive
> die-off of H. Sapiens, 30-70% of our population.
>
> Our tech keeps us alive, if for but the near-term. But Momma Nature is a
> four-door, chrome-plated B!TC#. Sooner or later, our sins
> against her WILL
> get us! We are animals on this planet, nothing more or less. We are
> supposed to use our intelligence for the benefit of our species, NOT OUR
> WALLET! I've yet to see a hearse being followed by a Wells-Fargo armored
> car!
>
> If you live, you WILL die. If anyone is left on Earth in a hundred years,
> what would you have them say about you?
>
> Which name do you remember, Galileo, or the Catholic Pope that
> sentenced him
> to lifetime house arrest for heresy, for daring to state that the Earth
> revolves around the Sun?
>
> > I can only remind you that when we started in on building nuclear
> > fission plants, they said electricity would be so cheap, they would not
> > bother to meter it. Didn't happen.
>
> And my hero, Nikola Tesla, said the same, a hundred years ago.
>
> My opinion- there is NOTHING in this world that some greedy @$$hoie cannot
> meter and sell!
>
> > As we learn more about our universe, perhaps we may find better
> > ways that do not involve quite the production of nuclear waste, nor
> > burro-cratic regulo-craptic waste.
>
> John, I agree that our knowledge of physics will someday accomplish this.
>
> However, our politics will surely pervert it, to the detriment of our
> civilization!
>
> > that one man can own, hide in a shed, and keep the burro-crats from
> > taxing and regulating the crap out of. Kind of like "moonshine" so o
>
> If it impacts the vested interests that pay for politicians, then
> it WILL be
> regulated! C'mon, John, you know of my troubles with the local
> system, from
> not mowing my yard to their satisfaction, to their condemning my well, and
> dosing my wetlands with pesticide- without my knowledge or consent! I may
> have a deed in my name, but I do not own my property, it is owned by the
> Government! I cannot use it as I please, but they sure as hell can! And
> they have proven this more than once- you know this.
>
> > examine them so we might as well tax them, and make up for the loss of
> > tax revenue from the electric power companies, etc.
>
> NOW you see the REAL issue! It's all about MONEY!! The guy that runs
> DukeEnergy doesn't give a flying f**k at a rolling donut about the year
> 2050. All he cares about is his bonus in 2005!
>
> In the 1970's and early 1980's, businesses were run by visionary managers
> and scientists who thought about the long-term results. By the 1990's,
> businesses were taken over by MBA beancounters that were more
> concerned with
> the short-term stock price that the long-term survivability of
> the company.
> These idiots realize that they can show a profit by destroying the company
> faster than the sales decrease, file bankruptcy, use their golden
> parachute
> to bail, and then do it again at another company- for even more money!
>
> > So far, it looks more like solar than fusion. But quite frankly,
> > solar is unreliable, and for maximum output, requires an awful lot of
> > maintenance.
>
> I am currently consulting with a local firm in the development of a novel
> solar technology. I cannot discuss it, but it seems to have promise.
>
> I still urge everyone to pursue fusion. Extracting solar energy in one
> place on Earth will cool another. A five-degree cooling of the
> Gulf Stream
> current would throw the British Isles into another ice age!
>
> And to listen to the current wailings of the knee-jerks, we have too much
> solar energy hanging around now!
>
> As all energy used eventually winds up as heat, we need LESS solar energy,
> lest we accelerate global warming!
>
> Pays your money, picks your poison!
>
> -MB
>
>
>
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> http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists
>
From javilk at mall-net.com Thu May 26 07:38:39 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu May 26 00:38:41 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Hydrogen economy
In-Reply-To: from "Aaron
Agassi" at May 26, 2005 03:06:33 AM
Message-ID: <20050526073839.80204.qmail@mall-net.com>
> By every reasonable expectation, mobile atomic reactors such as nuclear
> submarines, ought to be the very worst. And yet, the American Navy maintains
> the very highest safety records for it's nuclear submarine fleet! How can
> this be? Only because the United States Navy runs such a tight ship!
Yep. It's not a matter of profit, you see. It's a matter of not
upsetting the folks who fund them -- The American Citizen!
> Clearly, human factors can be seen to outweigh technological considerations
> alone.
One of the reports I read on Three Mile Island said that in order
to control the reactor, you had to stand facing the meters, using your
hands BEHIND YOU to control the equipment!!!
One of the Navy supervised land based reactors had an exceptional
record simply because the Navy enforced a rule that said no talking
except as directly required to run the reactor. And had a naval officer
on the deck at all times supervising it. When the rule was ignored
shortly after it was enstated, they simply shut the reactor down, to the
considerable expense of those running it. The contractors were quick to
learn! (I think it was some 60 Minutes program interviewing Zumwalt.)
Indeed, human factors are important.
I do believe that most hunting accidents could be minimized by
simply requiring that any gun have a laser pointer operating parallel to
the barrel whenever the gun is loaded and the shooter is not in the
process of aiming it for firing. This would seriously enforce the rule
of pointing the gun either down, or up. (Though in many areas, might
result in enforcement making them point the gun down to avoid aircraft.)
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Thu May 26 13:33:01 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Thu May 26 10:33:10 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Hydrogen economy
In-Reply-To: <20050526070253.55589.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c56218$f7b7c440$6401a8c0@mikey>
> From: javilk@mall-net.com [mailto:javilk@mall-net.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:03 AM
> > Well, faced with the clear and present danger of global warming, the
> > "tree-huggers" are softening their stance on nuclear fission plants. =
> We don't know for sure about global warming. Only tree-hugger
> warming.
I agree that the jury is still out on the global warming issue. But
nevermind the truth, perception is reality here. At least real enough to
create the Kyoto Protocol, and alter the economies of the world.
Whether the Earth ever heats up or cools down, Global Warming is a clear and
present danger- in the political, social, and economic arenas, if not in the
weather!
> > Pebble-bed fission reactors
> Yes, but who's building them in the USA?
EXACTLY! And WHY are none being built? Politics.
However, DukeEnergy is preparing to construct one here in NC, on the Yadkin
River about a half-hour from me. They have just begun the permitting
process, so it would go online no sooner than 2012 or 2013.
> > Our tech keeps us alive, if for but the near-term. But Momma Nature is
> Our tech will keep the intelligent alive as long as there are
> enough intelligent people around. I fear religion more than war; yet I
> am a minister of sorts.
Yep. But we need a critical mass of intelligent people, and the
intelligentsia is the first to be exterminated by the religious fanatics.
> > My opinion- there is NOTHING in this world that some greedy @$$hoie =
> > cannot meter and sell!
> gee, I should be trying to figure out what to meter and sell!
> Care for a jar of breccia from the San Andreas and Sargent faults of
> California? Only $29.94 and $4.95 shipping and handling. Do note that
> we only have so much of this gravel available...
Children of The Pet Rock! YES!!
But don't remove too much- it serves as ball bearings for the subduction
zone.
> > John, I agree that our knowledge of physics will someday accomplish =
> > this.
> >
> > However, our politics will surely pervert it, to the detriment of our
> > civilization!
>
> Some regulation is often better than none. Politics is better than
> anarchy or dictatorship. I have more faith in humanity than you do.
No so much government regulation, but the entire "body politic." Yes, I'm
rather pessimistic about General Public, he's closely related to Major
Stupidity. I fear our society has the unerring ability to sink to the level
of the lowest member.
> > These idiots realize that they can show a profit by destroying the =
> > company faster than the sales decrease, file bankruptcy, use their
> > golden
> > parachute to bail, and then do it again at another company- for even
> > more money! =20
> This is indeed a problem. Sarbranes Oxley (misspelled) is a
> political counter. Better than nothing.
And SarbOx is a nightmare! It is so expensive to comply with; many public
corporations are going private to avoid it. I think it is an overcorrection
for the excesses of the 1980's and 90's- and so expensive, that compliance
will drag many companies down.
> I really don't know how true this solar extraction cooling is! Do
> you have some references?
I'd have to look for them. We did the exercise in my senior seminar class
in college regarding the Gulf Stream and the UK. But consider the
thermodynamics- the Earth is a closed system, all energy input comes from
Sol. We currently use energy stored in fossil fuels millions of years ago,
and solar energy from wind and water. To use energy from the Gulf Stream in
the southeast US, that same energy would not reach Europe.
> The only cause of adequate energy is inadequate imagination!
Ummm- have we EVER had an overabundance of imagination? And if we did, what
did General Public and Major Stupidity do with it?
> > As all energy used eventually winds up as heat, we need LESS solar =
> > energy,
> > lest we accelerate global warming!
> Again, I doubt this is significant. Would you care to provide some
> references?
That was slightly tongue-in-cheek on my part. I've lotsa references, but
not a single one I consider worthy of citation!
-MB
From mbest at triad.rr.com Thu May 26 14:05:45 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Thu May 26 11:05:51 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Hydrogen economy- Stan Ovshinsky
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I dredged up this saved search from my files.
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu May 26 13:40:42 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Thu May 26 13:41:10 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Hydrogen economy
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050526204042.9097.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com>
WHY NOT USE HIGH POWER SONIC ENERGY,
TO CRACK WATER INTO HYDROGEN AND
OXYGEN, FOR USEAGE?
Robert Juliano wrote:
I always liked integrated systems:
1.) use the heat generated from rad waste to crack
water.
2.) use power (via RTG) generated from rad waste to
crack water. (i seem to remember hearing that RTG
systems in the late 60's were pumping out 4 watts of
useable power per gram of plutonium. this means that -
assuming the figures from the book "fuel from water"
are correct - 1 kilo of good old Pu yields something
like 3 lbs of hydrogen per hour.)not quite harrowing
hell, but a good start. If the US puts out 10 tons per
year of rad waste, then we get 10 * 1E6 *3 * 24 aka
7.2E8 aka 360,000 tons per day. I'm pretty sure that
the US generates more than 10 tons per year of rad
waste, but I'd need to see good numbers.
but even if the US only generates that 10 tons of
rad waste, that's 360,000 tons of hydrogen per day!
(in it would accumulate each year...) from the
admittedly little I remember from my readings in re
hydrogen (I'm still recovering from a 12 hour drive
from maryland...) hydrogen gets something like 50%
power (in terms of tank size). just using this for
trains and buses saves (literally) a boatload of oil
per day. just using it on private cars replaces
somewhere between .5% and 2% of the US total gas
consumption (assuming average travel per day is 200
miles round trip, fleet average mileage is 15 mpg, 16%
of total US population below mental requirements, 16%
over age requirements.)
3.) use a "water pipe" to filter out the nitric and
nitrous oxides in re hydrogen cars.
3A.) at each filling station (or build bigger filters,
and change at oil change time) collect the NOS and
NOX.
3B.) use the NOS and the NOX for fertilizers and
rocket oxidizers. milled coal and NOS makes a dandy
rocket fuel...
Bob
--- Michael Best wrote:
>
> > From: javilk@mall-net.com
> [mailto:javilk@mall-net.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:34 PM
>
> > > There are other alternatives; my most preferred
> existing technology is
> > > nuclear fission. Second is reduction of water
> to hydrogen and carbon
> > > monoxide with coke ("Town Gas").
>
> > We haven't got realistic fission yet.
> Farnsworth doesn't yet work,
> > The Rigatrons produce too much radioactive
> structural material, and the
> > Tokomacs... are less than likely to do it.
>
> Fission, not fusion, John. Fusion is obviously the
> long-term solution, but
> it ain't here yet. It's close, but no cigar.
>
> -MB
>
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From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Thu May 26 14:35:46 2005
From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano)
Date: Thu May 26 14:36:00 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Hydrogen economy
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Clyde,
I hadn't thought of that, for a few reasons:
1.) I'm not a sound engineer.
2.) the sonic energy needed to crack water present
more than a few problems...
2A.) the sound bleed would probably kill off quite a
bit of local wild life. and the low level emissions
won't help the humans working around it...
2B.) designing the beast wouldn't be a cake walk.
Bob
--- clyde lofton wrote:
>
> WHY NOT USE HIGH POWER SONIC ENERGY,
> TO CRACK WATER INTO HYDROGEN AND
> OXYGEN, FOR USEAGE?
>
> Robert Juliano wrote:
>
>
> I always liked integrated systems:
> 1.) use the heat generated from rad waste to crack
> water.
> 2.) use power (via RTG) generated from rad waste to
> crack water. (i seem to remember hearing that RTG
> systems in the late 60's were pumping out 4 watts of
> useable power per gram of plutonium. this means that
> -
> assuming the figures from the book "fuel from water"
> are correct - 1 kilo of good old Pu yields something
> like 3 lbs of hydrogen per hour.)not quite harrowing
> hell, but a good start. If the US puts out 10 tons
> per
> year of rad waste, then we get 10 * 1E6 *3 * 24 aka
> 7.2E8 aka 360,000 tons per day. I'm pretty sure that
> the US generates more than 10 tons per year of rad
> waste, but I'd need to see good numbers.
> but even if the US only generates that 10 tons of
> rad waste, that's 360,000 tons of hydrogen per day!
> (in it would accumulate each year...) from the
> admittedly little I remember from my readings in re
> hydrogen (I'm still recovering from a 12 hour drive
> from maryland...) hydrogen gets something like 50%
> power (in terms of tank size). just using this for
> trains and buses saves (literally) a boatload of oil
> per day. just using it on private cars replaces
> somewhere between .5% and 2% of the US total gas
> consumption (assuming average travel per day is 200
> miles round trip, fleet average mileage is 15 mpg,
> 16%
> of total US population below mental requirements,
> 16%
> over age requirements.)
> 3.) use a "water pipe" to filter out the nitric and
> nitrous oxides in re hydrogen cars.
> 3A.) at each filling station (or build bigger
> filters,
> and change at oil change time) collect the NOS and
> NOX.
> 3B.) use the NOS and the NOX for fertilizers and
> rocket oxidizers. milled coal and NOS makes a dandy
> rocket fuel...
>
> Bob
>
>
> --- Michael Best wrote:
> >
> > > From: javilk@mall-net.com
> > [mailto:javilk@mall-net.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:34 PM
> >
> > > > There are other alternatives; my most
> preferred
> > existing technology is
> > > > nuclear fission. Second is reduction of water
> > to hydrogen and carbon
> > > > monoxide with coke ("Town Gas").
> >
> > > We haven't got realistic fission yet.
> > Farnsworth doesn't yet work,
> > > The Rigatrons produce too much radioactive
> > structural material, and the
> > > Tokomacs... are less than likely to do it.
> >
> > Fission, not fusion, John. Fusion is obviously the
> > long-term solution, but
> > it ain't here yet. It's close, but no cigar.
> >
> > -MB
> >
>
>
>
>
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri May 27 03:27:02 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu May 26 20:27:15 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Hydrogen economy
In-Reply-To: <20050526204042.9097.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 26, 2005 01:40:42 PM
Message-ID: <20050527032702.8280.qmail@mall-net.com>
> WHY NOT USE HIGH POWER SONIC ENERGY,
> TO CRACK WATER INTO HYDROGEN AND
> OXYGEN, FOR USEAGE?
What's a sound wave?
A sound wave is a density variation in air, a high density area
following a low density area, much like a wave on the surface of water.
What's a water molecule?
Two hydrogen atoms stuck on an oxygen atom.
Air is composed of Nitrogen molecules, oxygen molecules, some
moisture, carbon dioxide molecules, etc.
So... envision a soup of marbles, some stuck to each other.
H2O is a little V shaped thing zipping about. N2 is two balls
larger than O2 zipping about.
To create really high energy sound waves, you will have a near
vacuum in one side of the sine wave, and near liquid air on the other.
Just a little hard to do... but assume we have a gigawhumper something
to slam the air that hard.
As our giga-sound wave passes through the air or water vapor, we
see areas of vapor slamming together, then bouncing violently apart.
What's temperature? Temperature is a function of the velocity of
particles. In our case here, the near liquid air (or water) will not be
cold, it will be fantastically hot.
So some hydrogen atoms get smashed off. Some Oxygen atoms get
smashed apart. It's hot in there! As the air molecules start bouncing
away again, the hydrogens stand a very good chance of hitting some
oxygen atoms and re-combining to make water.
To do this well, we need to make the wave length smaller. We do
that by raising the frequency till we are beyond the audible sonic range
to the ultrasonic range.
This is pretty much what happens when we smash water hard enough to
create cavitation using an ultrasonic transducer. And the hydrogen and
oxygen re-combine, giving off little flashes of light, even some
bremstralung radiation from getting really bent out of shape over this.
So in the end, we have not separated anything for long.
The alternative is to heat the water till it decomposes. Aside
from the expense, we still end up with a mix of hydrogen and oxygen. And
as it starts to cool, it promptly recombines.
Ok, so maybe we can spin up the chamber to some fantastic RPM so
the ultra-hot lighter hydrogens are shoved to the center. Hmmm...
That's a lot of rotating inertia we end up with to do that. More heavy
engineering to keep this thing from becoming a bunch of shrapnel.
Any chemist want to work out what the energy requirements are? I
don't think they are trivial!
I think electrolysis requires a lot less engineering, and the
hydrogen and oxygen naturally separate themselves so one is over one
electrode, and the other is over the other electrode.
The other possibility is plants of catalysts. Some plants give
off hydrogen. Not much... but...
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From javilk at mall-net.com Fri May 27 04:16:24 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu May 26 21:16:30 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Hydrogen economy
In-Reply-To: <007e01c56218$f7b7c440$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at May
26, 2005 01:33:01 PM
Message-ID: <20050527041624.38472.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > We don't know for sure about global warming. Only tree-hugger
> > warming.
>
> I agree that the jury is still out on the global warming issue. But
> nevermind the truth, perception is reality here. At least real enough =
> to create the Kyoto Protocol, and alter the economies of the world.
Ah, the fallout of perceptions of global warming!
> Whether the Earth ever heats up or cools down, Global Warming is a clear =
> and present danger- in the political, social, and economic arenas, if not in =
> the weather!
Ignorant savages voting without a clue! Sad...
> > > Pebble-bed fission reactors
>
> > Yes, but who's building them in the USA?
>
> EXACTLY! And WHY are none being built? Politics.
Politics is important. We need more mad scientists, and general
scientists, who take up the political path... Unfortunately the unknowns
and people skills tend to discourage all but the most truly demented
scientists from taking up the path.
> However, DukeEnergy is preparing to construct one here in NC, on the =
> Yadkin River about a half-hour from me. They have just begun the permitting
> process, so it would go online no sooner than 2012 or 2013.
Who Ray?
(Sorry)
> > enough intelligent people around. I fear religion more than war; yet =
> > I am a minister of sorts.
>
> Yep. But we need a critical mass of intelligent people, and the
> intelligentsia is the first to be exterminated by the religious =
> fanatics.
The communists did this to all the areas they conquered -- you have
any college, it's off to Siberia, the marshes, or whatever other
re-education camp they could create.
Standard operating procedures for socialists and funnymentalists
too. Too much knowledge breeds contempt for their hallowed (or hollow)
beliefs. "How DARE you believe that Jesoos was not some tall, blue-eyed,
fair skinned, blondish gentleman!" Duh, he was born where? In France?
I thought he was born in the Middle East. Them is short, brown eyed,
dark haired folks, mostly. "HERETIC!!! HERETIC!!!"
> No so much government regulation, but the entire "body politic." Yes, =
> I'm
> rather pessimistic about General Public, he's closely related to Major
> Stupidity. I fear our society has the unerring ability to sink to the =
> level of the lowest member.
You've got to talk up your side of the table using common examples,
etc. As mad scientists, it is the DUTY of each one of us to talk up
science and learning!
Hey, we ought to have some kind of credo, pledge or set of things
to uphold, etc. they should include...
I will promote the use of good science whenever it will not get me
lynched.
I will strive to influence the public to think...
I will strive to support individually controlled technology over
mass corporate technology whenever I can
I will strive to promote individual responsibility by example...
etc.
Anyone want to contribute to this??? What about a mad scientist
song?
Oh we are the mad, yes we are the rad Scientists for Tomoooorroooo
We're dragging you to tomorrow! Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
Or some slightly less fruitish sung slogan.
> > > These idiots realize that they can show a profit by destroying the =
> > > company faster than the sales decrease, file bankruptcy, use their
> > This is indeed a problem. Sarbranes Oxley (misspelled) is a
> > political counter. Better than nothing.
>
> And SarbOx is a nightmare! It is so expensive to comply with; many =
> public
> corporations are going private to avoid it. I think it is an =
> overcorrection
> for the excesses of the 1980's and 90's- and so expensive, that =
> compliance
> will drag many companies down.
Yep. but what's the alternative? Shooting them for treason? Probably
a graphic reminder to accountants to be honest...
You know, I could make a case for anyone who defrauds a few
thousand people ought to be charged not (just) with fraud, but with
treason against the country, because we end up having to pay to support
those newly poor folks this guy made. And that's government money!
And if you kill or harm a bunch of people by practices like selling
unhealthy goop, snake oil, blessed carcinogenic linament or un
Co-Q-10-ised statins... nevermind the class action suits...
It's Public Hanging Time!
It's Public Hanging Time!
He's on the very line,
It's Public Hanging Time!
Today we have another of the figures from Enron competing with a
sub-vice-president from Worldcom to see whom the people will hang
first...
> > I really don't know how true this solar extraction cooling is! =
> > Do you have some references?
>
> I'd have to look for them. We did the exercise in my senior seminar =
> class
> in college regarding the Gulf Stream and the UK. But consider the
> thermodynamics- the Earth is a closed system, all energy input comes =
Wrong! It's open! Light and heat bounces back out to outer space.
We also get a lot of water from space in the form of icy micro meteors.
How much, estimates vary. (Widely!)
> and solar energy from wind and water. To use energy from the Gulf =
> Stream in
> the southeast US, that same energy would not reach Europe.=20
Ok, if you want to restrict it to something like this river of
energy, then it is true that if we pulled enough energy out of the gulf
stream, less would reach Europe. But how much could we use??? How much
is lost now, due to the temperature difference causing evaporation?
What portion would be retained by the lowering of temperature some
fractional degree, thus reducing evaporative losses?
> > The only cause of adequate energy is inadequate imagination!
> Ummm- have we EVER had an overabundance of imagination? And if we did, =
> what did General Public and Major Stupidity do with it?
Well, let's say there is unbounded energy, the kind of fantasy
dreams hollywood comes up with. That's fairly common, and can be found
in excess in any young child. (Or maybe reflected from hollywood via
any young impressionable child who, thanks to them, is now confused as
to what reality is.)
And the more technical imagination, the kind that creates products.
Sometimes it does this directly, and sometimes by triggering other
people's imagination the way Isaac Asimov "created" automobile building
robots by inspiring others to think about the topic and deduce how to
do it economically.
> > > As all energy used eventually winds up as heat, we need LESS solar =
> > > energy, lest we accelerate global warming!
> > Again, I doubt this is significant. Would you care to provide =
> > some references?
>
> That was slightly tongue-in-cheek on my part. I've lotsa references, =
> but not a single one I consider worthy of citation!
But it is interesting to speculate about what a solar collector does
in terms of heat bounced back into the air vs, say absorbed by grass or
tree cover.
Again, we are unlikely to make as much of a dent in that via solar
panels as, say spare miles of pavement or rooftop. At least not in the
near future.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri May 27 00:47:00 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Thu May 26 21:47:07 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Global warming
Message-ID: <00bc01c56277$1f44a5b0$6401a8c0@mikey>
[MB]
> > > > As all energy used eventually winds up as heat, we need LESS solar
> > > > energy, lest we accelerate global warming!
[JVV]
> > > Again, I doubt this is significant. Would you care to provide =
> > > some references?
[MB]
> > That was slightly tongue-in-cheek on my part. I've lotsa references,
> > but not a single one I consider worthy of citation!
[JVV]
> But it is interesting to speculate about what a solar collector does
> in terms of heat bounced back into the air vs, say absorbed by grass or
> tree cover.
> Again, we are unlikely to make as much of a dent in that via solar
> panels as, say spare miles of pavement or rooftop. At least not in the
> near future.
[MB]
WOW! Epiphany! Light bulbs!
I just love that Plato Dialectic thingy!
Global Warming IS NOT caused by burning fossil fuels; it's caused by
slash/burn agriculture, highway building, and new houses! Existing forests
USE solar energy, converting it into biomass. Anything that replaces forest
REDUCES Nature's ability to convert energy to biomass, accelerating Global
Warming! Asphalt shingles and pavement convert solar to heat, while my
forest is always cool, even during the dog days of August. When it's too
sweltering to be in my house, I'll picnic in my woods- they are always cool!
And this theory of mine is just a valid as that of the Sierra Club and
Gribear! Prove otherwise, I dare you!
I just KNEW there was a logical reason I so love my six acres of forest! I
think I'll now go outside...
...and hug a tree!
-MB
From javilk at mall-net.com Fri May 27 05:46:18 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Thu May 26 22:46:20 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Global warming
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c56277$1f44a5b0$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at May
27, 2005 12:47:00 AM
Message-ID: <20050527054618.95086.qmail@mall-net.com>
> [JVV]
> > But it is interesting to speculate about what a solar collector =
> does=20
> > in terms of heat bounced back into the air vs, say absorbed by grass =
> > or tree cover.
>
> > Again, we are unlikely to make as much of a dent in that via solar =
> > panels as, say spare miles of pavement or rooftop. At least not in =
> > the near future.
>
> [MB]
> WOW! Epiphany! Light bulbs!
Huh? Did I say something?
It's been hammered on over and over and over for decades that the
so-called global warming effect is in large part dueto the encroachment
of paved areas onto the spots we measure the air temperature, and thus
the source of our global warming data.
At higher altitudes, the atmosphere has been shown to be cooling.
(I don't recall the specifics at the moment.)
> Global Warming IS NOT caused by burning fossil fuels; it's caused by
> slash/burn agriculture, highway building, and new houses! Existing =
That's taking the data too far. Localized warming, YES! But is
the localized warming of necessity GLOBAL warming???
That is what we don't clearly know yet.
And if it IS global warming, could it be the sun is putting out
more energy? Some reports indicate that it is!
> forests
> USE solar energy, converting it into biomass. Anything that replaces =
> forest
> REDUCES Nature's ability to convert energy to biomass, accelerating =
> Global
I'll accept that to some degree. But Mike, look at the environment
of insects. Insects are heat lovers. Their metabolisms are based on
hotter temperatures than our metabolisms. (Ref book "Thermal Wariors"
about the lives of insects.) Look at the temperature down on the ground
in the grass, and elsewhere.
> And this theory of mine is just a valid as that of the Sierra Club and
> Gribear! Prove otherwise, I dare you!
(Shrug.) I don't know enough to agree, or disagree.
> I just KNEW there was a logical reason I so love my six acres of forest! =
> I think I'll now go outside...
>
> ...and hug a tree!
I pat my pine trees now and then. I like them. At least when they
don't drop sap or branches on me. I like pines...
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri May 27 01:57:23 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Thu May 26 22:57:30 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Global warming
In-Reply-To: <20050527054618.95086.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <00c201c56280$f44c3c60$6401a8c0@mikey>
[MB]
> > I think I'll now go outside...
> >
> > ...and hug a tree!
[JVV]
> I pat my pine trees now and then. I like them. At least when they
> don't drop sap or branches on me. I like pines...
I like hickory, it makes great barbecue. Remember, I belong to PETA (People
Eating Tasty Animals).
I like oaks. They make lotsa acorns to feed the squirrels.
Well-fed squirrels make wonderful toys for the kitties.
My only problem is when a cat brings me a squirrel with a broken neck,
asking, "Daddy, can you fix my toy? It's broken and won't play anymore."
Oh well...
-MB
From javilk at mall-net.com Fri May 27 07:54:20 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri May 27 00:54:22 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Global warming
In-Reply-To: <00c201c56280$f44c3c60$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at May
27, 2005 01:57:23 AM
Message-ID: <20050527075420.80049.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> [MB]
> > > I think I'll now go outside...
> > >
> > > ...and hug a tree!
>
> [JVV]
> > I pat my pine trees now and then. I like them. At least when =
> > they don't drop sap or branches on me. I like pines...
>
> I like hickory, it makes great barbecue. Remember, I belong to PETA =
> (People Eating Tasty Animals).
> I like oaks. They make lotsa acorns to feed the squirrels.
Acorns correlate with Lyme disease. Acorns feed mice, mice harbor
it, ticks get it from mice, and deer from the ticks.
But... out here, if a tick bites the right lizard, the antibodies
in the lizard kill the Lyme bug in the tick
> Well-fed squirrels make wonderful toys for the kitties.
On the ranch, I saw a squirrel that just had to be Jewish! All he
needed, was one of those little Jewish caps, and he would be a poster
boy for "Life is good if you're Jewish".
What I found utterly fascinating, is how every evening, every
ground squirrel from the area would congregate on a concrete bridge-like
area, greeting politely, sometimes nosing or kissing as they met. Twenty
to forty squirrels, sitting quietly atop some logs lining the road,
watching the shadows move up a little hill as the sun set. After that,
they would quietly disperse.
It was as if they were worshiping together.
And later, I found that most of the squirrels had little toads
living with them in their burrows. Pets???
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri May 27 15:28:37 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Fri May 27 12:28:45 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RE: Global warming
In-Reply-To: <20050527075420.80049.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <005e01c562f2$48708af0$6401a8c0@mikey>
[JVV]
> Acorns correlate with Lyme disease. Acorns feed mice, mice harbor
> it, ticks get it from mice, and deer from the ticks.
The only mouse around here is plugged into my computer! With a dozen cats,
no mouse stands a chance! I saw one last winter; he made the fatal mistake
of coming into the house. Surrounded by five cats, he had a look of abject
terror in his beady little black eyes!
He found himself low on the food chain that day.
> It was as if they were worshiping together.
I would prefer to believe that they were just preparing for the day's work,
delegating responsibilities to the group.
They draw straws to determine who will play chicken with the cars on the
road.
> And later, I found that most of the squirrels had little toads
> living with them in their burrows. Pets???
Nope! Those are the Toad-Lickers, addicted to the toad venom.
See http://www.geocities.com/mikebest27406/coke-addict.jpg for another
pathetic squirrel addict.
-MB
From javilk at mall-net.com Fri May 27 19:51:06 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Fri May 27 12:51:10 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Global warming
In-Reply-To: <005e01c562f2$48708af0$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at May
27, 2005 03:28:37 PM
Message-ID: <20050527195106.38041.qmail@mall-net.com>
> > It was as if they were worshiping together.
>
> I would prefer to believe that they were just preparing for the day's work,
> delegating responsibilities to the group.
No. It was almost strange how they sat there, quietly watching the
shadows grow.
> > And later, I found that most of the squirrels had little toads
> > living with them in their burrows. Pets???
>
> Nope! Those are the Toad-Lickers, addicted to the toad venom.
Interesting possibility.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat May 28 12:48:40 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Sat May 28 12:48:48 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I've been away from the computer lately because....
Message-ID: <20050528194840.80645.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com>
I've been away more, from the computer lately
because the home computer has crashed,
and I am now back to using the library computers
for the time being.
Clyde
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From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat May 28 18:39:57 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Sat May 28 15:40:06 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Air power?
Message-ID: <011701c563d6$2e92f020$6401a8c0@mikey>
http://www.aircaraccess.com/
Air car, compressed air automobile... A pneumatic vehicle is a car like the
one you and I drive except that its power plant is an expansion engine that
runs on the internal energy (dissipated solar heat) in compressed air,
rather than a combustion engine that runs on the explosive destruction of
fuel. When enough people learn that compressed air is solar energy, we will
all be driving air cars. Leave the petroleum in the ground, study this
website, and join us to work for the day that our energy consumption habits
will be compatible with the planet we live on.
From Igor at Mad-Scientists.ORG Sun May 29 19:51:21 2005
From: Igor at Mad-Scientists.ORG (Igor@Mad-Scientists.ORG)
Date: Sun May 29 19:51:22 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] System upgrades
Message-ID: <20050529194906.P502@kang.VJC.COM>
I'm doing some system upgrades this weekend, so the Mad-Scientists list
may be up and down at irregular times tonight and tomorrow. Sorry for the
inconvenience.
You faithful servant
-Igor
From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon May 30 09:34:53 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Mon May 30 09:35:06 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Flip-flop goes the electron!
Message-ID: <004501c56535$81dddc80$6401a8c0@mikey>
In the new study, scientists applied voltage to the electron in a quantum
dot, which is a tiny, nanometer-sized semiconductor. The burst of power
changed the direction of the electron's spin -- which can move either up or
down. This also caused it to emit a small particle of light called a photon,
explained Richard Warburton, a physicist with Heriot-Watt University in
Edinburgh, Scotland, and lead author on the new paper.
Full article:
http://www.physorg.com/news4297.html
From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon May 30 21:08:27 2005
From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best)
Date: Mon May 30 21:08:46 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Oh my!
Message-ID: <002c01c56596$664b0720$6401a8c0@mikey>
http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/
Is this mad scientist, or just mad?
-MB
From javilk at mall-net.com Mon May 30 22:01:11 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Mon May 30 22:01:31 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Oh my!
In-Reply-To: <002c01c56596$664b0720$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at May
31, 2005 12:08:27 AM
Message-ID: <20050531050111.27013.qmail@mall-net.com>
>
> http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/
>
> Is this mad scientist, or just mad?
>
> -MB
>
You can indeed extract more energy by pulsing zaps into the battery.
Articles on similar zapatic devices have been seen, zaps from long wires
in the wind, etc. all chip away at sulphation in the batteries.
but... no matter how efficient you make it, 100% is all you get. And
pretty soon, you get new batteries as zapping isn't charging.
-JVV-
From javilk at mall-net.com Tue May 31 17:22:16 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue May 31 17:22:21 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The Problems of Global Warming
In-Reply-To: <004501c56535$81dddc80$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at May
30, 2005 12:34:53 PM
Message-ID: <20050601002216.12374.qmail@mall-net.com>
http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20050524-093532-5842r.htm
The prospects of global warming imperil our agricultural base...
but not quite the way we expect.
Seems the evidence is many of our plants evolved under higher
carbon dioxide levels, and as global warming releases more CO2 from the
sea and increases water transport, crops will become more prolific.
Many experiments show crops grow better under higher CO2 levels.
Farmers can now buy commercial CO2 generators to help with greenhouse
type crops. Many do!
This superabundance may cause some problems with our farm subsidy
programs...
The real crunch, as the article suggests, will come some 10,000
years from now when we start another ice age.
In true mad scientis fashion, i propose that we might be able to
forestall some of this by covering over the newly open Arctic Sea with a
layer of tightly capped empty soda bottles.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
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Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue May 31 18:05:01 2005
From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton)
Date: Tue May 31 18:05:13 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The Problems of Global Warming
In-Reply-To: <20050601002216.12374.qmail@mall-net.com>
Message-ID: <20050601010501.86265.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com>
I AM FEELING VERY VIOLENT RIGHT NOW, LIKE DOING
SERIOUS DAMAGE, NON-TERRORISTIC THOUGH;
MEANING: WITH NO HUMAN CASUALTIES.
SEEK AND DESTROY TYPE OF DAMAGE FOR MY
LACK OF ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO PROGRESS FORWARD
IN MY WORK, AND LACK OF BEING ABLE TO BE
AT PEACE WITH THE ENVIRONMENT-ENPRISONMENT.
I JUST WANT AMERICA TO BE AMERICA AGAIN, AND
NOT THIS FUCKING MODERN DAY COUNTRY THAT IS
SOLD OUT TO BOTH COMMUNISTS AND TO FASCISTS.
I AM ON THE LIBRARY COMPUTER, AND SO IF YOU
REPLY BACK, IT WILL NOT BE UNTIL TOMORROW
UNTIL I AM ABLE TO SEND A REPLY.
THE E.M. B-WAVE ENT.-MENT PROJECT IS NEARING
COMPLETION, I JUST HAVE TO FIND OUT HOE I AM
GOING TO CUT THE P.V.C. FITTINGS TO THE CORRECT
SIZE, NOW THAT I HAVE THEM MARKED JUST RIGHT.
AND I DO INTEND ON GROWING NELUMBO NUCIFERA
LOTUS AS WELL, TO FIND OUT WHAT THOSE FLOWERS
ARE LIKE, WHEN THEY ARE FULLY BLOOMED, AND
WHEN THEY CAN BE EATEN.
I KNOW YOU SAID THAT I SHOULDN'T BECOME A LOTUS
EATER, BUT REALITY IS JUST SO PAINFUL, AND THE
DOCTORS OF CONVENTION CRAP ARE NOT WORKING
WITH ME.
IF I CANNOT GET RELIEF SOON, I WILL DO NON HUMAN
CASUALTY DAMAGE TO PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PROPERTY,
AND IT WON'T BE GOOD.
IF I COULD NUKE BOMB THE INTERNAL REVENUE ANTI-SERVICE,
I WOULD.
IF I COULD NUKE BOMB THE PHARMAPSEUDO INDUSTRIES,
I WOULD.
I AM FUCKING PISSED AT THIS CITY OF TULSA, AND THIS
STATE OF OKLAHOMA.
I AM JUST TIRED, AND I NEED PEACE AND REST FROM IT
GOD DAMNED AND MAN DAMNED ALL.
I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE GLOBAL WARMING NONSENSE,
BUT I DO WANT CLEAN SKIES, CLEAN AIR, AND CLEAN CITIES
TO EXIST, BECAUSE I AM SICK OF ENVIRONMENTAL SHIT, THAT
NEVER FUCKING ENDS.
IT IS THE ECOLOGY THAT WE ALL NEED TO FOCUS ON, AND NOT
THE ENVIRONMENT-ENPRISONMENT OF US ALL.
THE CLINTON'S, THE BUSHES, THE KERRY'S, THE CHENEY'S,
ALONG WITH MANY PROBABLY COUNTLESS OTHER FUCKING
POLITICIANS NEED BASEBALL BATS WITH ABOUT 50 MILES
PER HOUR OF SWING FORCE, PUT THROUGH EVERY ONE OF
THEIR FUCKING SKULL AND BONES FACES.
I AM THROUGH FOR NOW
LATER,
CLYDE.
javilk@mall-net.com wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20050524-093532-5842r.htm
e prospects of global warming imperil our agricultural base...
but not quite the way we expect.
Seems the evidence is many of our plants evolved under higher
carbon dioxide levels, and as global warming releases more CO2 from the
sea and increases water transport, crops will become more prolific.
Many experiments show crops grow better under higher CO2 levels.
Farmers can now buy commercial CO2 generators to help with greenhouse
type crops. Many do!
This superabundance may cause some problems with our farm subsidy
programs...
The real crunch, as the article suggests, will come some 10,000
years from now when we start another ice age.
In true mad scientis fashion, i propose that we might be able to
forestall some of this by covering over the newly open Arctic Sea with a
layer of tightly capped empty soda bottles.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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From javilk at mall-net.com Tue May 31 21:54:31 2005
From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com)
Date: Tue May 31 21:54:37 2005
Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The Problems of Global Warming
In-Reply-To: <20050601010501.86265.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde
lofton" at May 31, 2005 06:05:01 PM
Message-ID: <20050601045431.88801.qmail@mall-net.com>
> I AM FEELING VERY VIOLENT RIGHT NOW, LIKE DOING
> SERIOUS DAMAGE, NON-TERRORISTIC THOUGH;
> MEANING: WITH NO HUMAN CASUALTIES.
That's the time for a quick lap or three around the block. Running
is great for burning off adrenaline!
> SEEK AND DESTROY TYPE OF DAMAGE FOR MY
> LACK OF ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO PROGRESS FORWARD
> IN MY WORK, AND LACK OF BEING ABLE TO BE
> AT PEACE WITH THE ENVIRONMENT-ENPRISONMENT.
> I JUST WANT AMERICA TO BE AMERICA AGAIN, AND
> NOT THIS FUCKING MODERN DAY COUNTRY THAT IS
> SOLD OUT TO BOTH COMMUNISTS AND TO FASCISTS.
I don't think it has.
> I AM ON THE LIBRARY COMPUTER, AND SO IF YOU
> REPLY BACK, IT WILL NOT BE UNTIL TOMORROW
> UNTIL I AM ABLE TO SEND A REPLY.
Hmmm... Sad, I was hoping you could do a good run before bed. I use
to do that or go walking before bed whenever I was under tension.
> THE E.M. B-WAVE ENT.-MENT PROJECT IS NEARING
> COMPLETION, I JUST HAVE TO FIND OUT HOE I AM
> GOING TO CUT THE P.V.C. FITTINGS TO THE CORRECT
> SIZE, NOW THAT I HAVE THEM MARKED JUST RIGHT.
This is why I tend to make crap to see if something works, then
rebuild it more robustly when it starts creaking too badly. A good
inventor or scientist is often wrong, so he needs to minimize the time
for the first prototype to see if he is right or wrong.
> I KNOW YOU SAID THAT I SHOULDN'T BECOME A LOTUS
> EATER, BUT REALITY IS JUST SO PAINFUL, AND THE
> DOCTORS OF CONVENTION CRAP ARE NOT WORKING
> WITH ME.
Well...
> IF I CANNOT GET RELIEF SOON, I WILL DO NON HUMAN
> CASUALTY DAMAGE TO PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PROPERTY,
> AND IT WON'T BE GOOD.
Take up running, and as you run, as you breathe, keep saying "I Am"
and mean it .
> IF I COULD NUKE BOMB THE INTERNAL REVENUE ANTI-SERVICE,
> I WOULD.
That's non-productive. These folks may seem to be the infernal
revenue service; but do allow our government to function. You know, jobs
for folks like your father, NASA space probes, even disability payments
and health care for folks who can't afford it.
And what we pay is a lot less than folks in some other countries
pay. So I kind of think the "rent" for being an American is more or
less fair. (Even if I do gripe about it from time to time.)
> IF I COULD NUKE BOMB THE PHARMAPSEUDO INDUSTRIES,
> I WOULD.
While this might be a little better than the IRS as a target, they
too, tend to keep many people alive who would not otherwise be alive.
> I AM FUCKING PISSED AT THIS CITY OF TULSA, AND THIS
> STATE OF OKLAHOMA.
Oklahoma has a rich history... I think I was there once. A little
flat in places... but...
I mean, if it was so bad in Tulsa and Oklahoma, folks would just
run away, as they do from Mexico. In fact, a lot of people in Mexico
would just love to be in Tulsa!
> I AM JUST TIRED, AND I NEED PEACE AND REST FROM IT
> GOD DAMNED AND MAN DAMNED ALL.
Take up running. Keep chanting "I Am" as you run. This helps you
enhance your sense of self. And it is that sense of self which is
keeping you together.
So whenever you have a night like this, just go run around the
block a few times, and you'll see that it's not that bad. You might
want to take a spray bottle of water to mist the air ahead of you from
time to time.
Are you doing anything with photography yet?
> I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE GLOBAL WARMING NONSENSE,
> BUT I DO WANT CLEAN SKIES, CLEAN AIR, AND CLEAN CITIES
> TO EXIST, BECAUSE I AM SICK OF ENVIRONMENTAL SHIT, THAT
> NEVER FUCKING ENDS.
First, you need to clean your self. Running will help keep the
adrenaline under control and your spirit strong.
> IT IS THE ECOLOGY THAT WE ALL NEED TO FOCUS ON, AND NOT
> THE ENVIRONMENT-ENPRISONMENT OF US ALL.
> THE CLINTON'S, THE BUSHES, THE KERRY'S, THE CHENEY'S,
> ALONG WITH MANY PROBABLY COUNTLESS OTHER FUCKING
> POLITICIANS NEED BASEBALL BATS WITH ABOUT 50 MILES
> PER HOUR OF SWING FORCE, PUT THROUGH EVERY ONE OF
> THEIR FUCKING SKULL AND BONES FACES.
Some more than others... I may be particularly upset with Clinton's
work; but in really, this not enough to actually do it.
And it is really not that productive to distract yourself from your
own situation. None of these characters really did that much to you,
not as much as your biochemical problems are doing to your spirit now.
So let's concentrate on managing those, on opening up the brain and
spirit so it works better.
Besides, the rules of society are kind of useful... and we really
don't want you to be in one of those small cages society tends to put
people in who swing baseball bats at other people or government
property.
Take up running whenever you get really frustrated. Maybe take some
niacin before you start running for maximum effect in getting enough
oxygen and blood to your muscles and brain.
Things are going to get better.
-J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com)
CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do.
Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice.
My opinions are subject to the availability of information.
I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions.
For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices
orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine.
Today's Art Photo
Chem / Fungus allergies
Dr. Cathcart / Vit C.
Arthritis
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