From creolescience at yahoo.com Sat Jun 3 15:31:05 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Sat Jun 3 15:31:14 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] 300 mile wide crater discovered in Antarctica Message-ID: <20060603223105.47152.qmail@web36114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Back to Story - Help Meteor mega-hit spawned Australian continent: researchers Fri Jun 2, 1:54 PM ET A meteor's roaring crash into Antarctica -- larger and earlier than the impact that killed the dinosaurs -- caused the biggest mass extinction in Earth's history and likely spawned the Australian continent, scientists said. Ohio State University scientists said the 483-kilometer-wide (300-mile-wide) crater is now hidden more than 1.6 kilometers (one mile) beneath the East Antarctic Ice Sheet. "Gravity measurements that reveal its existence suggest that it could date back about 250 million years -- the time of the Permian-Triassic extinction, when almost all animal life on Earth died out," the university said in a statement Thursday. "Its size and location -- in the Wilkes Land region of East Antarctica, south of Australia -- also suggest that it could have begun the breakup of the Gondwana supercontinent by creating the tectonic rift that pushed Australia northward," they added. Scientists believe that the Permian-Triassic extinction paved the way for the dinosaurs to rise to prominence. The Wilkes Land crater is more than twice the size of the Chicxulub crater in Mexico's Yucatan peninsula, which marks the impact that may have ultimately killed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. The Chicxulub meteor is thought to have been 9.6 kilometers (six miles) wide, while the Wilkes Land meteor could have been up to 48.3 kilometers (30 miles) wide -- four or five times wider. "This Wilkes Land impact is much bigger than the impact that killed the dinosaurs, and probably would have caused catastrophic damage at the time," said Ralph von Frese, a professor of geological sciences at Ohio State. He and Laramie Potts, a postdoctoral researcher in geological sciences, led the team that discovered the crater. They collaborated with other Ohio State and NASA scientists, as well as partners from Russia and South Korea. They reported their preliminary results in a recent American Geophysical Union Joint Assembly meeting in Baltimore, Maryland. Some 100 million years ago, Australia split from the ancient Gondwana supercontinent and began drifting north, pushed away by expansion of a rift valley into the eastern Indian Ocean. The rift cuts directly through the crater, so the impact may have helped the rift to form, von Frese said. The more immediate effects of the impact, however, would have devastated life on Earth. "All the environmental changes that would have resulted from the impact would have created a highly caustic environment that was really hard to endure. So it makes sense that a lot of life went extinct at that time," he said. Collaborators included Stuart Wells and Orlando Hernandez, graduate students in geological sciences at Ohio State; Luis Gaya-Pique and Hyung Rae Kim, both of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center; Alexander Golynsky of the All-Russia Research Institute for Geology and Mineral Resources of the World Ocean; and Jeong Woo Kim and Jong Sun Hwang, both of Sejong University in South Korea. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <00c101c6898d$7844d9d0$d5c2bc41@mikey> The famous Coca-Cola and Mentos reaction, choreographed and filmed for your viewing pleasure! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wHx9pSqbjQ&feature=Views&page=1&t=t&f= b or: http://snipurl.com/rfc9 Enjoy! -MB From creolescience at yahoo.com Thu Jun 15 17:13:35 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Thu Jun 15 17:13:44 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] big fish tale Message-ID: <20060616001335.7740.qmail@web36111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Giant Mekong catfish off the hook A Mekong catfish weighing 293kg was caught last year Thai fishermen have promised to stop catching the endangered giant Mekong catfish to mark the 60th anniversary of their king's accession to the throne. Nearly 60 fishermen made the pledge at a ceremony in the northern city of Chiang Khong - one of several events to celebrate the King's long reign. The men are being paid $500 (?270) for each giant catfish net they surrender. The creature was put on the World Conservation Union's critically endangered list three years ago. It was found that numbers of the species had plummeted over a decade. The giant Mekong catfish can grow to around 3m in length and weigh up to 300kg. "This is a great commitment from fishermen," Chiang Khong senator Tuenjai Deetes told the Associated Press news agency. "Every fisherman will stop fishing giant catfish forever." Conservationists said the ban was a first step towards saving the catfish, but warned that more needed to be done to ensure their survival. A Mekong catfish weighing 293kg was netted last year, believed to be one of the largest freshwater fish ever caught. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060615/56a39e3b/attachment.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Fri Jun 16 13:50:27 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Fri Jun 16 13:50:37 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] hygiene is the problem Message-ID: <20060616205027.66123.qmail@web36103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060616/ap_on_sc/dirty_rats Rat study shows dirty better than clean By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer 22 minutes ago Gritty rats and mice living in sewers and farms seem to have healthier immune systems than their squeaky clean cousins that frolic in cushy antiseptic labs, two studies indicate. The lesson for humans: Clean living may make us sick. The studies give more weight to a 17-year-old theory that the sanitized Western world may be partly to blame for soaring rates of human allergy and asthma cases and some autoimmune diseases, such as Type I diabetes and rheumatoid arthritis. The theory, called the hygiene hypothesis, figures that people's immune systems aren't being challenged by disease and dirt early in life, so the body's natural defenses overreact to small irritants such as pollen. The new studies, one of which was published Friday in the peer reviewed Scandinavian Journal of Immunology, found significant differences in the immune systems between euthanized wild and lab rodents. When the immune cells in the wild rats are stimulated by researchers, "they just don't do anything they sit there; if you give them same stimulus to the lab rats, they go crazy," said study co-author Dr. William Parker, a Duke University professor of experimental surgery. He compared lab rodents to more than 50 wild rats and mice captured and killed in cities and farms. Also, the wild mice and rats had as much as four times higher levels of immunoglobulins, yet weren't sick, showing an immune system tuned to fight crucial germs, but not minor irritants, Parker said. He said what happened in the lab rats is what likely occurs in humans: their immune systems have got it so cushy they overreact to smallest of problems. "Your immune system is like the person who lives in the perfect house and has all the food they want, you're going to start worrying about the little things like someone stepping on your flowers," Parker said. Challenged immune systems ? such as kids who grow up with two or more pets ? don't tend to develop as many allergies, said Dr. Stanley Goldstein, director of Allergy & Asthma Care of Long Island. Parker said his study has drawbacks because he can't be sure that the age of the wild and lab rodents are equivalent, although he estimates the ages based on weight. He also could not control what happened in the past to the wild rats to see if they had unusual diseases before being captured and killed. It would have been more useful had Parker studied extremely young wild rodents because, according to the hygiene hypothesis, that's when the protection from dirty living starts, said Dr. Stuart Levy, director of the Center for Adaptation Genetics and Drug Resistance at Tufts University. Human epidemiological studies have long given credence to the hygiene theory, showing that allergy and asthma rates were higher in the cleaner industrialized areas than in places such as Africa. Parker's studies, looking at animal differences, may eventually help scientists find when, where and how environmental exposure help protect against future allergies and immune disorders, said Goldstein, and Dr. Jeffrey Platt of the Mayo Clinic in Minn., both of whom were not part of Parker's studies. Parker said he hopes to build a 50-foot artificial sewer for his next step, so that he could introduce the clean lab rats to an artificial dirty environment and see how and when the immunity was activated. That may be the biggest thing to come out of the wild and lab rodent studies, Platt said: "Then all of a sudden it becomes possible to expose people to the few things (that exercise the immune system) and gives them the benefit of the dirty environment without having to expose them to the dirt." --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1?/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060616/43932a3c/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Jun 17 13:28:19 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 17 13:28:32 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] hygiene is the problem Message-ID: <248.cb468ab.31c5bfe3@aol.com> I agree with this theroy. Thinking back I remember that the kids I went to school with .lower grades, that had German war brides for mothers were sicker then the kids that lived on the dairy and chicken farms. Now my mom was a neat freak, she was like the German wives, so clean it was almost an obsession. However, my mom to this day at 86 years old , healthy as a horse, been in the hospital just once in her life-- to give birth to me. The thing that keeps her going, I believe, is her love of dirt. This woman spends hours a day outside, spring, summer ,and fall, digging in the dirt. Her love is flowers, she is not into vegetables, she has always had a home that looked like she had a landscape artist come in once a week. The bacteria she comes in contact with, from the dirt, the bird poop in the soil, not to mention the crap from pollution seems to rev up her immune system. A side note, when I moved to Hawaii my 8 year old came down with impetigo. We were told that she didn't have the immune system to deal with the sickness that the natives have. So, the old call Ma had of "wash your hands and come in for dinner" still holds. This is nothing new to most people, this scientist has not found anything new that millions of people know. Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060617/47738a92/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Jun 17 15:04:57 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Jun 17 15:05:14 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] hygiene is the problem In-Reply-To: <248.cb468ab.31c5bfe3@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jun 17, 2006 04:28:19 PM Message-ID: <20060617220457.20244.qmail@mall-net.com> > I agree with this theroy. I think not. There are multiple different factors which can produce similar results without it being what they say. They are also ignoring a lot of other effects. > Thinking back I remember that the kids I went to school with .lower grades, > that had German war brides for mothers were sicker then the kids that lived on > the dairy and chicken farms. You only got to see the survivors... And a lot of those other problems can reduce a person's IQ. (But so can allergies!) There is some involvement of the brain and IQ in immune function, so it is not clear which is the cause. Some have commented that allergies, by releasing a lot of histamine early in life, can promote the development of the brain. Then too, hay fever, etc. can drive you in and get you reading books instead of running around like a kid, so that adds to the physiological intelligence effect. A war bride family likely will have higher levels of stress as cultural clashes and resulting arguments take their toll. Arguments are known to take a dramatic toll on the immune system. I grew up in an immigrant family with considerable exposure to the immigrant community, so I saw some of the culture clashes, arguments, drinking to escape the sense of loss, etc. Sure, there were a lot of really bright kids that came out of the community; but we all paid a fairly high price as most of us just did not fit in to the mainstream. That forced some to be exceptional, and destroyed others. (I look at myself, and I am single because I just could not get many dates at a critical age. I was a little too strange, so ended up withdrawing a bit too much. Over 30 years later, someone commented to me that I had European body language. Explains why I was always treated well by the immigrant community, and why I got along better with business people from Europe and England.) The resulting social issues add to the immune altering stresses as one is growing up and later in life. It really adds up. One other comment I have heard and read from multiple sources, is that many of the first generation have major hiccups around their 30's. Well, that's when my immune system just about gave up and the common fungi like Candida Albecans nearly killed me. > The thing that keeps her going, I believe, is her love of dirt. This woman > spends hours a day outside, spring, summer ,and fall, digging in the dirt. Her > love is flowers, she is not into vegetables, she has always had a home that > looked like she had a landscape artist come in once a week. There is another issue -- probiotics. we are well set up to defend and contain some species which treat us as ecological niches, and keep more virulent species at bay. The human intestinal tract is one key example. Acidophilus and other probiotics keep fungi out, synthesize some of our B vitamins, etc. Hence the sale of probiotics at the health food store. Less well recognized, is the skin. When I had major health problems, part of that apparently involved the skin ecology, as applying yogurt to the skin produced a major health improvement. As it did for a number of other people. If we do not get the right package early in life, we are not as well equipped for life as those who do. A lot of that package will be optimized for the environment, so once again, immigrants can lose out. > A side note, when I moved to Hawaii my 8 year old came down with impetigo. > We were told that she didn't have the immune system to deal with the sickness > that the natives have. We have the same for certain areas of California and Arizona with "Valley fever". > So, the old call Ma had of "wash your hands and come in for dinner" still > holds. Yes! > This is nothing new to most people, this scientist has not found anything > new that millions of people know. Regards Vesta Well... we are refining the mechanisms of what people assumed, and discarding a lot of false assumption. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Jun 17 18:58:11 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Jun 17 18:58:12 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Everyone's a critic! Message-ID: <012201c6927a$a1a924c0$d5c2bc41@mikey> June 15, 2006 Farmer's hail cannons spark storm Neighbors say devices block rain By DEEDEE CORRELL THE GAZETTE (Colorado Springs) CENTER - Farmer John Smith's spinach is dense, green and unblemished, just as it should be. His iceberg lettuce is still tiny, but healthy, with leaves sprouting whole and unmarred. They'll hopefully stay that way, Smith says, thanks to the eight hail cannons stationed across his 3,800-acre Southern Colorado Farms, aimed at the sky and poised to fire off sound waves that supposedly stop the nasty ice pellets that can ravage his crop. Smith believes in his cannons. So do a lot of his neighbors in the San Luis Valley. That's the problem. Although Smith maintains that his cannons, $40,000 apiece, can stave off the damage from summer storms, others are convinced they're doing more than that - stopping the rain as well, drying up an already parched land and killing their livelihood. http://gazette.com/display.php?id=1318428 From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Jun 17 19:20:11 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Jun 17 19:20:16 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Everyone's a critic! In-Reply-To: <012201c6927a$a1a924c0$d5c2bc41@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Jun 18, 2006 01:58:12 AM Message-ID: <20060618022011.25863.qmail@mall-net.com> > > June 15, 2006 > > Farmer's hail cannons spark storm > > Neighbors say devices block rain > > By DEEDEE CORRELL THE GAZETTE (Colorado Springs) > > CENTER - Farmer John Smith's spinach is dense, green and unblemished, > just as it should be.=20 > > His iceberg lettuce is still tiny, but healthy, with leaves sprouting > whole and unmarred.=20 > > They'll hopefully stay that way, Smith says, thanks to the eight hail > cannons stationed across his 3,800-acre Southern Colorado Farms, aimed > at the sky and poised to fire off sound waves that supposedly stop the > nasty ice pellets that can ravage his crop. Smith believes in his > cannons. So do a lot of his neighbors in the San Luis Valley. That's > the problem. Although Smith maintains that his cannons, $40,000 > apiece, can stave off the damage from summer storms, others are Hmmm... How are these supposed to work? I could easily sell the other farmers anti-cannons for half the price... > convinced they're doing more than that - stopping the rain as well, > drying up an already parched land and killing their livelihood. > > > > http://gazette.com/display.php?id=3D1318428 > From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Jun 18 07:34:24 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 18 07:34:34 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out Water Power... Water Fuel Message-ID: <223.ccaed6a.31c6be70@aol.com> _Water Power... Water Fuel_ (http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=2061) The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060618/2317899c/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jun 18 11:59:31 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Jun 18 12:00:18 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out Water Power... Water Fuel In-Reply-To: <223.ccaed6a.31c6be70@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Jun 18, 2006 10:34:24 AM Message-ID: <20060618185931.85948.qmail@mall-net.com> > > _Water Power... Water Fuel_ (http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=2061) How about you tell us a little more? The site wants to download some risky plugins that our firewall and experience suggest may not be in our best interests. The laws of thermodynamics also suggests that unless you are doing nuclear fusion, it is unlikely water itself is a prime energy source. (Falling water is a different story, but it isn't fuel.) Now, there HAVE been some efforts along this line with ultrasonics, resulting in minor X-ray emissions and other signs of a little bit of fusion. But I don't think anyone has ever come even close to break even there. (And I assume you don't mean cold fusion, which is usually heavy water based; though some have claimed light water fusion.) You can do a couple of interesting things with water to store or transport energy: Decompose and re-burn it. Internal combustion engines however, have considerable losses due to the need to prevent the engine from melting. Over half your energy goes out the radiator. Ceramic engines are far better in that they can run at hotter temperatures; but when standing, they tend to set thing on fire, like garages, asphalt parking lots, etc. The military did some research on this for tanks, which are not very energy efficient due to the weight of the armor, resistance in the bearings in the treads, etc. etc. We could barely get up to 20 miles and hour with two hulking engines in a 20 ton light tank. I think our efficiency was close to two gallons per mile! Use it as a capacitor. The soviet beam weapons lab at Semipalitinsk used huge water based capacitors to store the energy produced by small nuclear explosions to power their beam weapons experiments. That water has to be extremely well distilled. Keegan wrote this up in Aviation Week way back. Fascinating! This is what triggered our Star Wars efforts. So what are these guys doing? How about you tell us, so we can start discussing it. I mean with Clyde gone, we're just too silent! --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Jun 18 12:26:03 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 18 12:26:15 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out News from The Associated Press Message-ID: <3de.4d04677.31c702cb@aol.com> _News from The Associated Press_ (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LIVE_LOBSTERS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-06-15-19-55-50) The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060618/e6e573bb/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Jun 18 13:11:26 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 18 13:11:40 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out CNN.com - Drug caches found in Home Depot vanities - Jun 14, 2006 Message-ID: <1bf.5a753b4.31c70d6e@aol.com> _CNN.com - Drug caches found in Home Depot vanities - Jun 14, 2006_ (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/14/home.depot.drugs/index.html) How strange this story, my neighbor a 73 year old retired dude was re-doing his bathroom. He went to Home Depot in Mass as the prices were less then here in New Hampshire. In the last month our neighbor has put a new roof on his house and bought a new car, hmmmmm. regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060618/5e08c4d0/attachment.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Sun Jun 18 13:52:36 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Sun Jun 18 13:52:45 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] dirt and immunity Message-ID: <20060618205236.35841.qmail@web36109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My take on this is simple - today's average person gets caught in the rain and a chill, and the next day they have a cold that lasts for 3 days or more. A homeless person eats garbage and lives on the streets and yet I never see them sneezing. What are the major health problems ( not lifestyle related like diabetes or other things) ? Immune problems. environmental sickness. overall malaise. I remember when I was a kid and this old man told me how people today were simply weaker constitutionally. He remarked about how he and his friends would run around all day, get drenched in the rain, sleep in those clothes outdoors overnight and never get sick. Alot is the depleted nutrition of today's foods and the lack of exercise that today's car-driven existence causes. Pasturization has killed off the enzymes that we had consumed for thousands of years. Hormones in the food screws up our bodies as well, hence the low sperm count and erectile disfunction that seems so epidemic, probably caused by too much estrogen in the males ( from the estrogen loaded milk from over stimulated cows and eggs from over stimulated chickens - all caused by female hormones ) . the other effect is the earlier than usual puberty of females ( ask me about my 11 year old getting her period! ). also the high carbohydrate content of our diets hasn't helped by weakening the hydrochloric acid in our stomachs which would normally kill most bacteria that is consumed. Bacteria is like homeopathy - a little stimulation creates a stronger body that is prepared to fight off the real damage ( like a vaccine ) when encountered. Bottom line is that if humans weren't supposed to be able to exist alongside bacteria wer simply wouldn't have continued to exist. Cavemen ate off the ground and had nothing to sterilize their food, except perhaps water or dusting them off. and also there is an overall weakening of the genepool from modern medicine which has artificially allowed those that would not have been able to reproduce to pass their genes on to another generation. Our existence today is so soft and easy that, were a catastrophe to occur, 90% of the western world would probably die from exposure and stress. I make sure that my kids are exposed to bacteria in small doses - washing plates with water only, staying away from overly sanitzing everything etc. So far they ( and their dad ) are very healthy and vibrant. Nietzche was right - that which does not kill us makes us stronger ( within reason of course ;P) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football ?06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060618/302f9bd8/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jun 18 15:21:33 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Jun 18 15:21:38 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] dirt and immunity In-Reply-To: <20060618205236.35841.qmail@web36109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "j s" at Jun 18, 2006 01:52:36 PM Message-ID: <20060618222133.25082.qmail@mall-net.com> > > --===============1520901727== > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-664173867-1150663956=:35509" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > --0-664173867-1150663956=:35509 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > My take on this is simple - today's average person gets caught in the > rain and a chill, and the next day they have a cold that lasts for 3 > days or more. A homeless person eats garbage and lives on the streets > and yet I never see them sneezing. And homeless people die o pneumonia and other problems. But that is not the real problem of the homeless. the real problem is that although they continue to survive, it takes some rather optimal health and nutrition to keep that brain working in what we consider a SANE manner! And that, rather than persevering, is what this civilization is all about. I've dealt with the homeless. I use to buy stuff from metals recyclers. The homeless pick up anything they can find and take them to metals recyclers. Computers, car parts, piano parts, parts from semiconductor wafer fabs, pieces of navy ships, parts of police cruisers, jet engine parts, robotics, and of course the usual tons of soda cans and beer bottles. (I kid you not! I've seen military sonar gear, police computers, high powered microscopes, turbomolecular pumps, and some Really, Really Weird Stuff at these places! Like the four plasma transformers I bought -- the secondary "coil" was a quartz tube that held plasma. Anyway, the homeless are basically not functioning upstairs. Another guy I knew kept offering them money if they would dive specific corporation's dumpsters, not the random hits and misses they usually dove. You'd think the prospects of making some real money would turn them on, no? Never happened! Their memory is shot, their drive is twisted, and they are just plain nuts! But they would work out just fine on the Sarenghetti. So why the folks back in the 50's didn't stay home sick, was because they didn't have to use their brains to do their work. Today, we have to use our brain. And while a cold may still leave us able to tighten the bolts on a model T Ford, we couldn't begin to cope with the nuances of the paperwork we deal with today. > What are the major health problems ( not lifestyle related like > diabetes or other things) ? Immune problems. environmental sickness. > overall malaise. Yep! And you know something, I've seen roofers and painters do good work bathed in chemicals that would make me a totally confused idiot! Why can they handle it and I can not? Part of it is that they work by habit, and I work by thinking. So again, you can't really compare the people back then to today, because we are using the most delicate portions of our anatomy, our brains, to do things that the people off yore never did. If you look at weight lifters or runners, you will see that their attention to diet and health is way beyond that of an average person. Why? Because they are trying to optimize that last tenth of a percent of their abilities. And that diet is not conducive to deep thinking, either. Same for us heavy brain users. We optimize our diets to the use of the brain, NOT to fending off toxic sludge. > I remember when I was a kid and this old man told me how people today > were simply weaker constitutionally. He remarked about how he and his > friends would run around all day, get drenched in the rain, sleep in > those clothes outdoors overnight and never get sick. Alot is the > depleted nutrition of today's foods and the lack of exercise that > today's car-driven existence causes. Yes, to a fair extent you are right. Our diets are off due to convenience foods, killed canned food, etc. More our choice of non-fresh, than fresh food that is depleted. But again, along with the change in our resistance, is the increase in our general IQ. (They have to keep revising the tests.) And our mental abilities. Or at least the upper end of that. > Bottom line is that if humans weren't supposed to be able to exist > alongside bacteria wer simply wouldn't have continued to exist. Evolution certainly took a huge toll! in the 1800's, average lifespan was 50 - 55 AFTER kids under 12 died. Childhood mortality was rampant, hence the usual 4 to 6 kids per family. Most didn't reach adulthood. > that, were a catastrophe to occur, 90% of the western world would > probably die from exposure and stress. Well, life is 100% fatal. The only question is life span. And we have seen during doctor and hospital strikes, that the death rate declines... Yep, declines. Something not quite right here. And maybe it's not just nutrition. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From creolescience at yahoo.com Sun Jun 18 20:32:01 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Sun Jun 18 20:32:17 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ethanol's impact Message-ID: <20060619033201.55502.qmail@web36107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Experts: Ethanol's water demands a concern By JIM PAUL, Associated Press WriterSun Jun 18, 7:31 PM ET City officials in Champaign and Urbana took notice when they heard that an ethanol plant proposed nearby would use about 2 million gallons of water per day, most likely from the aquifer that also supplies both cities. "There was concern about impacting a pretty valuable resource," said Matt Wempe, a city planner for Urbana. "It should raise red flags." The proposal for a 100 million gallon-per-year ethanol plant is just one of many that have popped up in the past several months across Illinois, which already has seven operating plants and is the nation's No. 2 ethanol producer after Iowa. High oil prices and support from Washington have inspired such interest in the corn-based gasoline additive that the Illinois Corn Growers Association now says at least 30 plants are in various stages of planning across the state. All will use a lot of water. It would take about 300 million gallons of water for processing the product and cooling equipment to make 100 million gallons of ethanol each year, according to the Renewable Fuels Association. While water scientists in Illinois and Iowa say they're concerned about the impact of that much demand, they're not sending out alarms yet. "On a statewide scale, it's not a huge amount of water," says Allen H. Wehrmann, director of the Center for Groundwater Science at the Illinois State Water Survey. "Illinois is a fairly water-rich state, so I don't think this is going to drain us." The demand for water by the two dozen operating ethanol plants in Iowa has not damaged water sources or supplies, said Monte Shaw, executive director of the Iowa Renewable Fuels Association. Improving technology means new plants use as much as 80 percent less water than plants built just five years ago, and most plants recycle their water so it has more than one use, he said. Still, the draw on Midwest water supplies is a concern. "It's an issue that is certainly at the forefront of our minds," said Paul VanDorpe, a scientist at the Iowa Geological Survey in Iowa City. But he does not perceive as much concern among the public, he said. The possibility of a new ethanol plant is one reason the city of Aberdeen, S.D., decided to seek new water sources, perhaps from deeper wells, Mayor Mike Levsen said. "We felt that for the current demand we had plenty of water to supply them, but that would begin to run us up to our limit," he said. Many industries use more than a million gallons of water each day, still far less than the 23 million gallons per day used by Champaign and Urbana or the 500 million gallons per day that Chicago pumps from Lake Michigan. The Mahomet Aquifer, along which several ethanol plants are proposed, has plenty of water. Running across the midsection of the state from the Indiana line to the Illinois River, it supplies an estimated 250 million gallons of water per day to municipalities, industry, farms and homes. That is a pittance given the estimated 13 trillion gallons of water in the aquifer, Wehrmann said. It would take more than a century to pump the aquifer dry even if no water returned through rainfall and other natural recycling, which amounts to about 40 million gallons per day, he said. Even so, there can be a cumulative effect as demand is added. "When you get down to the local level, there will be impact," Wehrmann said. "You can't take the water out of the ground without lowering water to some degree. Other well owners may see water levels fall. In some cases their pumps may go out of the water, and that may mean lowering a well or pump." That bothers Dan Meyer, a retired food processing company worker who lives near Lincoln. A proposed plant near there would tap the aquifer, and he worries not only about supply, especially if there is a long drought, but also about the risk of groundwater contamination. "If the Mahomet Aquifer gets contaminated, we'll be buying our water in 500 gallon tanks," he said. "I'm extremely nervous because of the numbers and where they're located. Your subdivisions, your towns are going to be affected." But ethanol proponents say there is virtually no risk ethanol will contaminate groundwater, and there is almost no wastewater from its production. "The water that comes out of the plant may be cleaner than was pumped into it," said Matt Hartwig, a spokesman for the Renewable Fuels Association. Ethanol supporters also say there is more danger of running out of corn than there is of using too much water, and that will wind up limiting the number of plants in a particular area. "Corn generally comes from a 50-mile radius around an ethanol plant, so there's only so many plants you can put in and get the corn you need to operate them," said Phil Shane, marketing director for the Illinois Corn Growers Association As for the plant near Champaign, the city and Urbana lifted their objections after the company proposing it agreed to study the potential impact on the Mahomet Aquifer before moving ahead. The Champaign County Board voted last month to allow ethanol plants as a special use in heavy industry zones. ___ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060618/f0f8350b/attachment-0001.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Sun Jun 18 21:14:09 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Sun Jun 18 21:14:14 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] immune systems and people today... Message-ID: <20060619041409.38131.qmail@web36103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> " If you look at weight lifters or runners, you will see that their attention to diet and health is way beyond that of an average person. Why? Because they are trying to optimize that last tenth of a percent of their abilities. And that diet is not conducive to deep thinking, either" I have to take offense to that one - I am a nutrition nut and believe myself highly intelligent, certaqinly a deep thinker, while also consuming a good 160 plus grams of protein on a daily basis and literally lifting thousands of pounds on a daily basis, all the while being almost 40 ( in 3 months ) and looking like I'm around 27, at about 210 lbs of relatively pure muscle. Whatever is stimulated is what works and thrives, be it muscular, intellectual or immunological. Being a disembodied brain is obviously not the answer to health if people are sicker today. Balance is the key, and people who exercise regualrly have the peripheral benefit of stress reduction and mental stimulation through great brain oxygenation. Sedentary people have all types of health problems because they sit on their ass and are living an existence at odds with the inherent nature of the human animal which evolved to run, hunt, fight, and explore. We are primates and need to live a basically paleo type lifestyle to be at our optimal. That doesn't mean we can't read, create, learn and thrive, we just can't do it all in a cubicle or from a couch. I am in better health than almost everyone I know and am also stronger , more intelligent and more knowledgable about a plethora of subjects. And while genes play a part I know lifestyle is the overriding factor, because I'm more fit and functional at 39 than I ever was at 18 or in my 20's. --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1?/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060618/af4a1615/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jun 18 22:29:23 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Jun 18 22:29:31 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] immune systems and people today... In-Reply-To: <20060619041409.38131.qmail@web36103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "j s" at Jun 18, 2006 09:14:09 PM Message-ID: <20060619052923.78847.qmail@mall-net.com> >> " If you look at weight lifters or runners, you will see that their >> attention to diet and health is way beyond that of an average person. >> Why? Because they are trying to optimize that last tenth of a percent >> of their abilities. And that diet is not conducive to deep thinking, >> either" > > I have to take offense to that one - I am a nutrition nut and believe > myself highly intelligent, certaqinly a deep thinker, while also > consuming a good 160 plus grams of protein on a daily basis and > literally lifting thousands of pounds on a daily basis, all the while > being almost 40 ( in 3 months ) and looking like I'm around 27, at > about 210 lbs of relatively pure muscle. Whatever is stimulated is what works > and thrives, be it muscular, intellectual or immunological. Being a > disembodied brain is obviously not the answer to health if people are > sicker today. Balance is the key, and people who exercise regualrly have > the peripheral benefit of stress reduction and mental stimulation > through great brain oxygenation. Well in my own case, heavy meals disrupt continuous thought till they are fairly well digested. I'd not eat a high protein meal for lunch on a work day, as I would not be able to do deep thought for several hours. Nor would I have a super fast digesting meal either, as the glucose surge causes major problems as well. I noticed this in my early 20's, and it's just as true in my 50's. Longer run, because i don't do heavy lifting, the excess proteins would not be that beneficial. But a very low protein diet wouldn't be that good in the long run, either. > Sedentary people have all types of health problems because they sit on > their ass and are living an existence at odds with the inherent nature > of the human animal which evolved to run, hunt, fight, and explore. We Yep! Which is why, after a hard day's work at the desk, I use to go for several hour walks, wandering around as darkness falls and the imagination starts trying to pierce the gloom. > are primates and need to live a basically paleo type lifestyle to be at > our optimal. That doesn't mean we can't read, create, learn and thrive, > we just can't do it all in a cubicle or from a couch. Yep! It's only when we try to really specialize, to push the boundaries of one area, that we need to pay a lot more attention to what we eat. > I am in better health than almost everyone I know and am also stronger > , more intelligent and more knowledgable about a plethora of subjects. > And while genes play a part I know lifestyle is the overriding factor, > because I'm more fit and functional at 39 than I ever was at 18 or in > my 20's. Good for you! And I hope you are passing on that set of genes and attitudes to some kids. We mad scientist types generally don't breed too well, so we need someone to make up for our lack. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Jun 25 08:06:26 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sun Jun 25 08:06:33 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The politics and business of impending famine Message-ID: <006901c69868$ee9a53f0$d5c2bc41@mikey> The _New York Times_, 6/25/2006 For Good or Ill, Boom in Ethanol Reshapes Economy of Heartland By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO This article was reported by Alexei Barrionuevo, Simon Romero and Michael Janofsky and written by Mr. Barrionuevo. Dozens of factories that turn corn into the gasoline substitute ethanol are sprouting up across the nation, from Tennessee to Kansas, and California, often in places hundreds of miles away from where corn is grown. Once considered the green dream of the environmentally sensitive, ethanol has become the province of agricultural giants that have long pressed for its use as fuel, as well as newcomers seeking to cash in on a bonanza. The modern-day gold rush is driven by a number of factors: generous government subsidies, surging demand for ethanol as a gasoline supplement, a potent blend of farm-state politics and the prospect of generating more than a 100 percent profit in less than two years. The rush is taking place despite concerns that large-scale diversion of agricultural resources to fuel could result in price increases for food for people and livestock, as well as the transformation of vast preserved areas into farmland. But many energy experts are also questioning the benefits of ethanol to the nation's fuel supply. While it is a renewable, domestically produced fuel that reduces gasoline pollution, large amounts of oil or natural gas go into making ethanol from corn, leaving its net contribution to reducing the use of fossil fuels much in doubt. As one of the hottest investments around, however, few in farm country want to hear any complaints these days about the risks associated with ethanol. Archer Daniels Midland, the politically connected agricultural processing company in Decatur, Ill., and the industry leader that has been a longstanding champion of transforming corn into a fuel blend, has enjoyed a doubling in its stock price and profits in the last year. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/25/business/25ethanol.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jun 25 11:01:47 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Jun 25 11:02:08 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The politics and business of impending famine In-Reply-To: <006901c69868$ee9a53f0$d5c2bc41@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Jun 25, 2006 11:06:26 AM Message-ID: <20060625180147.56310.qmail@mall-net.com> > > The _New York Times_, 6/25/2006 > For Good or Ill, Boom in Ethanol Reshapes Economy of Heartland > The modern-day gold rush is driven by a number of factors: generous > government subsidies, surging demand for ethanol as a gasoline supplement, a > potent blend of farm-state politics and the prospect of generating more than > a 100 percent profit in less than two years. Via the most efficient combustion of farm and industrial subsidies known to accountants at this time. When subsidies for gasohol fuel were withdrawn in Lousiana in the 1980's, all of the plants closed. They could not make a profit. But there is another problem out there with Ethanol fuels. The produce more VOC air pollution than gasoline; not less! Indeed, many refineries have trouble reaching the 10% ethanol point without exceeding EPA limits on air pollution in their areas. MTBE produced considerable formaldehyde, CH2O, one oxygen atom and two hydrogen atoms bound to a central carbon atom. It is a suspected carcinogen, was the injuring agent in the now illegal Urea Formaldehyde Foam Insulation, along with it's byproducts, formic acid, the ant venom chemical. Individuals with weak liver function, particularly Cytochrome P450 function reported considerable distress, forgetfulness, and other neurological symptoms on being in areas with heavy auto traffic. It is the deadly toxin produced when one drinks wood alcohol. Gasohol reduces formaldehyde production at the expense of a two and a half times increase in the corresponding two atom partial oxidation product, Acetaldehyde. Acetaldehyde is the toxin, not quite as deadly, produced when one drinks grain alcohol. It is the chemical causing drunkenness, not the alcohol itself. Recent studies show that most people convert acetaldehyde back to ethyl (grain) alcohol in their bodies. It is this reverse conversion rate which determines how well a person handles alcohol. Without this reverse conversion, ethyl alcohol becomes a deadly toxin. Not all of the population can handle alcohol. Individuals with weak liver function, porphyria, some types of yeast infections, and some other medical problems can not tolerate alcohol. There are instances where sitting next to a drunk will make them drunk just from the acetaldehyde a drunk exhales. It will be interesting to see how the law evolves when many of them are labeled as drunks just from inhaling the fumes of rush hour traffic. And how the traffic accident rates change in rush hour traffic. Furthermore, the conversion of large tracts of farm lands to corn production will dramatically increase the use of herbicides, insecticides, natural gas based fertilizers, and bio-tech corn. ADM and Monsanto are strong beneficiaries. The refineries themselves generally produce considerable air pollution, and have been shown to act as de facto trash incinerators, much the way cement plants do in their quest for ever cheaper fuel to heat their processes. (Burning the fuel they produce is too expensive!) In addition, most of the first wave of ethanol production facilities, which were located in Louisiana in the 1980's, all ceased production when subsidies were withdrawn. http://www.legis.state.wi.us/senate/sen05/news/Press/2006/pr2006-002.htm (Many references at end.) http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/12/31/BAGB8418VG1.DTL Many claim Brazil's high use of ethanol fuels is proof of ethanol use. Unlike the USA however, Brazil uses sugar cane to produce ethanol, a far more efficient crop for this purpose. Few of our states have the climate needed for robust sugar cane production. Some say biodiesel is the solution; but biodiesel delivers less energy than petrodiesel, more in line with the energy from gasoline; however the size, and hence the weight of diesel engines needed to deliver comparable vehicle acceleration is substantially higher. This further decreases vehicle performance. Given that the EPA says only some 15% of the energy production of an automobile engine is used to move it, there is substantial room for efficiency improvements in our current vehicles. Indeed, while automobile engines produce more horsepower at high RPMs, and are thus sized for acceleration rather than steady state operation; electric motors produce more horsepower at lower RPMs, ideal to accelerate vehicles. With this, hybrid gas-electric vehicles are gaining. Furthermore, our softer tires are designed for the ride, not for efficiency. Hence some experiments in "fifth wheel" electric boost, allowing smaller, more efficient gasoline engines to be assisted by a hard rubber fifth wheel lowered to accelerate the vehicle from stops. (May not work so well on poorly maintained roads and dirt and gravel surfaces of unpaved driveways, farms, and sub-rural roads...) According to the EPA, most energy from an automobile does not turn the wheels. Well over half the energy exits via the radiator, not the wheels. This is to keep the engine from warping, even melting. When an engine is not cooled enough, say due to over-use or water pump failure, a blown head gasket and often a warped head result. A check of the classifieds for non-operating vehicles sold at a loss shows that most have blown head gaskets, often with warped heads. The military has experimented with ceramic engines in the 70's; but found "systemic" problems above and beyond the technology of the engine itself. Parking a vehicle with a glowing hot ceramic engine over any area of grass or even asphalt, was a major fire hazard due to the extreme heat energy stored in the ceramic engine. And while the engine may be insulated heavily to reduce this problem, parking such an engine overnight in any enclosed structure can raise the temperature in that enclosure to over two hundred degrees, making it difficult to remove the vehicle the next morning. In addition, such heat can evaporate enough fuel from the fuel tank to turn the structure into a potential bomb just waiting for a spark, such as that of starting the vehicle in the morning. While forced cooling of the vehicle to heat the house may be useful, common breakdown modes ("Murphy's Law") in such a system once again raise the risks of injury and damage to the home and surrounding areas. And incidently, heating/cooling cycles substantially shorten the service life of any engine; but particularly one made of brittle ceramics. Hydrogen too, has been touted as an alternative fuel. However, it is not a primary fuel, requiring production via other means such as removal of hydrogen from hydrocarbon fuels and electrolysis of water. Either way, one still needs a primary energy source, and one is still stuck with an internal combustion engine requiring radiator cooling. My conclusion is that while there may still be some room for improvement of the internal combustion engine itself; more substantial fuel economy improvements may more likely be found by research in other areas such as hybrid vehicles using electric motors and batteries charged via smaller electric motors, fuel cells, or external energy sources. What I do not support, mostly because history shows it is not well used by the vast majority of the public even when almost free, is mass transit. Not only is our society based on the freedom of personal transportation; the entire mythos of this freedom drives the demand for and expression of all our other freedoms, including our marked tendency to invent the future before any other nation does. Removing our right to personal transporters would force a level of regimentation that would crush major portion of the spontaneity of our society, and thus sink much of the innovative spirit (or mild insanity) that has driven this country to technological leadership. Not to mention leadership in personal freedoms. Thankyou, Henry Ford! --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Jun 25 15:58:37 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Jun 25 15:58:40 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The politics and business of impending famine In-Reply-To: <20060625180147.56310.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Jun 25, 2006 06:01:47 PM Message-ID: <20060625225838.90683.qmail@mall-net.com> Some minor edits... I think I know what I am saying... trouble is, I don't alway say it right. > According to the EPA, most energy from an automobile does not turn > the wheels. Well over half the energy exits via the radiator, not the > wheels. This is to keep the engine from warping, even melting. When an > engine is not cooled enough, say due to over-use or water pump failure, > a blown head gasket and often a warped head result. A check of the > classifieds for non-operating vehicles sold at a loss shows that most > have blown head gaskets, often with warped heads. I believe I meant to say many; as most here in California seem to be due to failure to pass smog inspection, likely due to wear or need of serious tune up. But there are an awful lot of ads for vehicles with blown head gaskets "that anyone with any mechanical ability can fix." Perhaps if suitably economically motivated; but which many more start than finish. > My conclusion is that while there may still be some room for > improvement of the internal combustion engine itself; more substantial > fuel economy improvements may more likely be found by research in other > areas such as hybrid vehicles using electric motors and batteries > charged via smaller electric motors, fuel cells, or external energy > sources. Ah, that should have been via smaller internal combustion motors; charging batteries via electric motors, except for regenerative braking, is not very sensible. Has anyone here experimented with converting vehicles to electric power? I've read a few articles. It seems easy... but then, would they publish articles making it seem difficult? --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Jun 28 12:57:30 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Jun 28 12:57:37 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A simple way to end Global Warming Message-ID: <01b701c69aed$174a4db0$d5c2bc41@mikey> Unfortunately, this will not sell tickets to AlGore's new movie! Scrub the CO2 from combustion of fuels with sodium hydroxide. This will yield sodium bicarbonate, baking soda. Then we can make more cookies! -MB From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Jun 28 15:54:14 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Jun 28 15:54:30 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] A simple way to end Global Warming In-Reply-To: <01b701c69aed$174a4db0$d5c2bc41@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Jun 28, 2006 03:57:30 PM Message-ID: <20060628225414.95333.qmail@mall-net.com> > Unfortunately, this will not sell tickets to AlGore's new movie! > > Scrub the CO2 from combustion of fuels with sodium hydroxide. This > will yield sodium bicarbonate, baking soda. Not very clean, lots of other crap needed to get there, etc. What I find intersting, is that on some of the glacial cycle temperature and CO2 curves, the CO2 is the trailing indicator... and sometimes it is the leading indicator. Interesting, no? Also, we see the temperature spike suddenly (10,000 - 20,000 years), then fall and oscillate violently as it drifts downward. One thing we should note, is that as the ice builds up, there will be earthquakes due to the theory of isostasy -- the earth is elastic over time. So gigatons of ice will deform it, and it will deform again as the ice melts. This deformation may spur volcanic action. One report I read in Science News some years back said that our last ice age may have ended when an earthquake in the Medeterranian caused some methane clathrates to release megatons of methane into the atmosphere. Since pressure helps keep the methane clathrated with water, the reduction of sea levels by some 600 - 900 feet can be one factor in limiting ice age length. Another intersting report suggests that the Permian die-off may have been the result of two much methane being released from clathrates, and reducing oxygen levels to 12%. Earth did apparently have two major long term ice-overs of the entire planet. See Wikipedia "Snowball Earth" for more. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved.