From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Mar 1 13:33:18 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 1 13:33:29 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Yonaguni the sunken Japanese city Message-ID: <29a.64947a6.31375f0e@aol.com> In a message dated 2/28/2006 6:31:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, creolescience@yahoo.com writes: BTW Stonehenge had been dated to 4,500 years old based on the carbon dating of remains of people found buried under some of the rocks. Not bad for some stone agers This I feel is crazy. How can anyone date any man made structure by the remains of people found berried on the premises? This is akin to dating the pyramids by bones found in the vicinity. Both Stonehenge and the pyramids may have existed for a couple thousands of years before the bodies were placed there. They say the finds outside the pyramids are of the builders, yet if the pyramids are much older then we believe, could not the finds be of people who came to REPAIR and RESIDE the Grand Pyramid of CHOPS ??? In the case of Stonehenge, is it not possible these people found were sacrificed to the Gods of the solstice, hundreds of years even 2000 years after the edifice was constructed ??? The fact that so few people were found is interesting. Were they in fact sacrificed, or did they commit a crime in their culture that was an abomination to their society. > I watched a show on the Science Channel about Yonaguni, which >is what appears to be a sunken city in southern Japan. There are >structures that appear to be manmade but the interesting thing is >that for them to have been made the >sea level would have only been low enough at the last ICE AGE! I too saw the show, I had to laugh when they called in Experts who swore the structures were a result of natural sea action on a bunch of rocks. I saw also the straight edges of the huge blocks, the level and perfect placement of the blocks of stone. May as well say Manchu Peachu (sorry about the spelling) was formed by the winds at that altitude. I really enjoy your posts, please keep them coming Regards, Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060301/e7c5a237/attachment.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 13:53:37 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Wed Mar 1 13:53:45 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 17, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20060301190001.7BFAA3986B@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <20060301205337.33305.qmail@web36109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Demodulation Inc., Alfred, N.Y., has unveiled its patented Microfiber Sensor Tracking system that reads digital signal information from its ?-Fiber (Mu-Fiber) Microwire?, consisting of a chipless, glass-coated microfiber with an amorphous alloy core. The system is able to read multibit information from a 1-inch-long microfiber segment less than 40 microns in diameter from a distance of 25 meters away, opening up the possibility for long-range, multiple item tracking use." How long until they start implanting children at birth? In the name of security of course. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060301/107fdabf/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 14:30:46 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Mar 1 14:30:53 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Militarization of Space In-Reply-To: <20060301125236.80660.qmail@web513.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060301213046.35038.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> YEAH; TOO BAD WE THE PEOPLE OF THE FREE'EST COUNTRY ON PLANET EARTH CANNOT SHOOT EVERY SINGLE F'ING G-- D'ED AND F'ING MAN D'ED RADAR SATELLITE AND CAMERA SPY SATELLITE DOWN, OUT OF THE SKY..! I AM SICK OF IT F'ING ALL..! SINCERELY, CLYDE Jerry Volland < jerryvolland@spaceoffice.us > wrote: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70303-0.html?tw=rss.index --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060301/5ad99a3f/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 1 15:17:03 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Mar 1 15:17:18 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Yonaguni the sunken Japanese city In-Reply-To: <29a.64947a6.31375f0e@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Mar 01, 2006 03:33:18 PM Message-ID: <20060301221703.68079.qmail@mall-net.com> > BTW Stonehenge had been dated to 4,500 years old based on the carbon dating > of remains of people found buried under some of the rocks. Not bad for some > stone agers > This I feel is crazy. How can anyone date any man made structure by the > remains of people found berried on the premises? This is akin to dating the He said under the rocks. If it's under some of the megaliths, this may be plausible. Of course, that assumes the entire structure was built at one time... Some of the structures in India suggest this need not be so. Structures, particularly religious structures, tend to be enlarged by successive generations. > In the case of Stonehenge, is it not possible these people found were > sacrificed to the Gods of the solstice, hundreds of years even 2000 years after > the edifice was constructed ??? Indeed, some have been. But under the megaliths... That's a little harder. > > I watched a show on the Science Channel about Yonaguni, which >is what > appears to be a sunken city in southern Japan. There are >structures that > appear to be manmade but the interesting thing is >that for them to have been > made the > >sea level would have only been low enough at the last ICE AGE! Read "The Noah Flood." We are now exploring some of the ice age remains under the Black Sea. These could quite likely be contemporaneous with such Japanese ruins. > I too saw the show, I had to laugh when they called in Experts who swore the > structures were a result of natural sea action on a bunch of rocks. I saw > also the straight edges of the huge blocks, the level and perfect placement of > the blocks of stone. Blocks of stone are another matter. I spend one afternoon some twenty years ago, climbing a mountain in the Catskills of New York. There were clear giant steps made of "well cut" and "well set" blocks of granite, blocks no group of five or ten people could have lifted. In fact, block-like cracking of stone is very common. These steps were the result of natural forces wearing away the mountain side. Expansion cracks, water, even small trees were responsible for the exfoliation which left clear giant steps. I've seen this phenomenon in other places as well, and not just with granitic rock. Beyond that... I can not say, not having seen the show. Many natural phenomenon appear to be artificial. And many artificial constructs appear to imitate natural phenomenon. Religion makes good use of this as it tries to assert and interpret a sense of control over nature by a third party. This phenomenon is very deep within our culture, and our own psyches. Human-like beings have been on this earth for about a million and a half years. That's a few ice ages. The question is not how cultural remains can exist; for it does not take much to create an advanced culture of some sort. Consider Athens had less than a million people at it's height, and took less than a thousand years to go from shepherds in huts to a quite notable civilization with megalithic sculptures and structures. Same for many other locations. The real question is why we have not found more remains of such cultures. I believe the answer is that we tend to be a costal dwelling species. Wave action is quite powerful, especially over a few thousand years of time. As the waves slowly rise between the ice ages, their incessant pounding grinds all monuments to sand. And if a monument be too large for that, then it will be for the most part reduced to an odd featureless shape indistinct from some natural block of stone. Tell me, what would be left of New York City after five thousand years of wave action from a slowly rising sea? I dare say, not much as brick and stone are ground to sand, and steel reduced by rust and sand. Or if the sea does not prevail, then plants, trees, and erosion will. Though those locations are only used for five or ten thousand years of a hundred thousand year plus cycle. So again, much may be destroyed by normal erosion, landslides, etc. should it avoid the onset of glaciers. Especially given the isostatic earthquakes which happen as the burden of ice is added, and then removed. (Not ot mention the occasional ultra-gigantic flood when ice dams break, releasing what may occasionally be a few cubic miles of water to a few hundred cubic miles of water. It has happened!) The only hope of preservation is volcanic action to deeply cover the work of the civilization, or the sudden changes in elevation which may come with massive earthquakes. Japan being noted for massive earthquakes, it is not unlikely that some areas may have been dunked beneath the waves with some degree of preservation. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 1 15:29:27 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Mar 1 15:29:30 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Militarization of Space In-Reply-To: <20060301213046.35038.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Mar 01, 2006 01:30:46 PM Message-ID: <20060301222927.73489.qmail@mall-net.com> > YEAH; TOO BAD WE THE PEOPLE OF THE FREE'EST > COUNTRY ON PLANET EARTH CANNOT SHOOT EVERY > SINGLE F'ING G-- D'ED AND F'ING MAN D'ED RADAR > SATELLITE AND CAMERA SPY SATELLITE DOWN, OUT > OF THE SKY..! > I AM SICK OF IT F'ING ALL..! I find them quite useful for planning hikes, finding roads, looking for rental properties, etc. Google has some interesting tie-ins with satellite coverage. I even saw one of my earlier camps in some of these photos; though at that resolution, you had to know what had been there to know what you were looking at. The shadows gave away the RV I'd parked on a dirt driveway, and another trailer I had up there. When coupled with GIS and parcel maps, one can trace any property to a recent owner. Seeing tree cover, slope and such, one can evaluate the property for rental or purchase before even driving there. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 1 15:43:42 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Mar 1 15:43:47 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Mad-Scientists Digest, Vol 17, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20060301205337.33305.qmail@web36109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "j s" at Mar 01, 2006 12:53:37 PM Message-ID: <20060301224342.80424.qmail@mall-net.com> > "Demodulation Inc., Alfred, N.Y., has unveiled its patented Microfiber > Sensor > Tracking system that reads digital signal information from its ?-Fiber > (Mu-Fiber) Microwire?, consisting of a chipless, glass-coated > microfiber > with an amorphous alloy core. The system is able to read multibit > How long until they start implanting children at birth? In the name of security of course. This is already done with dogs and cattle. Some Parisian night clubs use this for patrons. Some parents are doing this for their children. It's less invasive than tattooing barcodes across the forehead... keeps that space free for advertising sales. I mean, someone has sold his forehead for advertising purposes, and many people wear T shirts and sweatshirts advertising products and places. See Tampa Bay... San Fran Cisco, Coca Cola, Pepsi, Nike, Cisco, UPS... Some people just have no sense. much less self respect. It's like they are afraid to be themselves. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 16:40:05 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Mar 1 16:40:39 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TULSA COUNTY [SO-CALLED] HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND "INSURANCE" COMPANIES. Message-ID: <20060301234005.75357.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> THE TULSA COUNTY [SO-CALLED] HEALTH DEPARTMENT DOES A PRETTY POOR JOB OF MAINTAINING THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, IN THIS WASTELAND TOWN. I'M CERTAIN THAT THEY ARE PROBABLY AS EQUALLY GUILTY AS THE NAZI DOCTORS OF GERMANY DURING WORLD WAR TWO, AND THE NAZI DOCTORS WHO IMMIGRATED TO THE UNITED STATES, FROM THE OLD NAZI GERMANY DAYS, TO SPREAD POPULATION KONTROL DISEASES AS WELL, TO HELP SABOTAGE AMERICA..! TULSA COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT: http://www.tulsa-health.org/ THE "INSURANCE" COMPANIES BELOW ARE ONLY A FEW EXAMPLES OF THE MANY "INSURANCE" COMPANIES WHO EXIST. PROBLEM IS, IS WHY DO "INSURANCE" COMPANIES CHARGE SO MUCH, YET GIVE BACK TO BOTH THE PUBLIC AND THE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE SO ABSOLUTELY EXTREMELY VERY LITTLE? THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. DO THEY EXTORT AND HOARD THE MONEY THAT THEY TAKE, ONLY TO SCREW THE POPULACE OF WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE ENTIRE PLANET? DO THEY OWN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN THIS MODERN TIME PERIOD? METLIFE: http://www.metlife.com/Applications/Corporate/WPS/CDA/PageGenerator ALLSTATE: http://www.allstate.com/Catastrophe/pagerender.asp?page=main.htm STATE FARM: http://www.statefarm.com/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060301/603065bd/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 16:48:58 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Mar 1 16:49:17 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Militarization of Space. In-Reply-To: <20060301222927.73489.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20060301234858.82158.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > YEAH; TOO BAD WE THE PEOPLE OF THE FREE'EST > COUNTRY ON PLANET EARTH CANNOT SHOOT EVERY > SINGLE F'ING G-- D'ED AND F'ING MAN D'ED RADAR > SATELLITE AND CAMERA SPY SATELLITE DOWN, OUT > OF THE SKY..! > I AM SICK OF IT F'ING ALL..! I find them quite useful for planning hikes, finding roads, looking for rental properties, etc. Google has some interesting tie-ins with satellite coverage. I even saw one of my earlier camps in some of these photos; though at that resolution, you had to know what had been there to know what you were looking at. The shadows gave away the RV I'd parked on a dirt driveway, and another trailer I had up there. YES; THAT IS ALL GOOD! THOUGH WHEN IT COMES TO HARASSMENT, BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT I HAVE DONE........ WELL IT COMES DOWN TO; THAT I NEVER LIKE DRAWING ATTENTION TO MYSELF; THOUGH IT ALWAYS SEEMS THAT DO EXACTLY THAT! I KNOW IT IS PARTLY MY FAULT; THOUGH IT IS NOT ENTIRELY MY FAULT; MY ENTIRE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM IS TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL; NOT TO MENTION THE CHEMICAL ALLERGIES WITH THE ADRENAL AND THYROID STORM OVERKILL THAT MAKES MY CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM THAT CURSED WAY. BUT I LIKE TO HAVE PRIVACY TOO, JUST LIKE THE WEALTHY FOLKS, THE ROCK STARS, THE D.J.'S, AND SO MANY OTHER FOLKS OUT THERE LIKE TO HAVE THEIR PRIVACY TOO. When coupled with GIS DID YOU MEAN THE G.P.S. ? and parcel maps, one can trace any property to a recent owner. Seeing tree cover, slope and such, one can evaluate the property for rental or purchase before even driving there. YES; AND THAT IS ALL GOOD; THOUGH LIKE I SAID IN THE ABOVE...... REPEAT THE INSANITY OF THE ABOVE........ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060301/3beb436c/attachment.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 16:55:09 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Wed Mar 1 16:55:30 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Stonehenge and monoliths Message-ID: <20060301235509.62810.qmail@web36104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "This I feel is crazy. How can anyone date any man made structure by the remains of people found berried on the premises? This is akin to dating the pyramids by bones found in the vicinity." The remains in question were exhumed from directly under a stone as if it was a burial covering. I forget the specifics but there was a way that determined it was done simultaneously with the construction. The other interesting fact is that both the buried persons and the largest stones come from Wales in the same area. The stone was determined based on the quarry composition and the people's identity based on the specific strontium and oxygen levels in the teeth which were identical to the area of the stones. It appears they came by way of barges across a relatively rough area of sea. Interesting how our ancients looked to these monolithic ( re:2001 a Space Odyssey ) stones as a source of the sacred. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060301/d100a5be/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 1 17:40:16 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Mar 1 17:40:21 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Militarization of Space. In-Reply-To: <20060301234858.82158.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Mar 01, 2006 03:48:58 PM Message-ID: <20060302004016.33488.qmail@mall-net.com> > > YEAH; TOO BAD WE THE PEOPLE OF THE FREE'EST > > COUNTRY ON PLANET EARTH CANNOT SHOOT EVERY > > SINGLE F'ING G-- D'ED AND F'ING MAN D'ED RADAR > > SATELLITE AND CAMERA SPY SATELLITE DOWN, OUT > > OF THE SKY..! > > I AM SICK OF IT F'ING ALL..! > > I find them quite useful for planning hikes, finding roads, looking > YES; THAT IS ALL GOOD! > THOUGH WHEN IT COMES TO HARASSMENT, BECAUSE > OF THINGS THAT I HAVE DONE........ Why should they use spy satellites??? Totally inappropriate technology for that! At best, assuming no clouds, etc. it lets them see things like whether this or that is in position... on clear days... once or twice a day. So they are worthless for tracking an individual. For that, they use Predator drones. But not in the USA, as they don't want the liability of it crashes in a civilian area, nor the red tape of FAA clearances, etc. Operations costs for any of these things are high. Sharing is limited due to compartmentalization, need to know, etc. So for minor things involving the FBI, sharing will be limited. FCC has no claims; you can't see transmitters from space, you have to drive by and triangulate them. State police might get satellite data, quite old, from Google. State police in areas that can afford them, use cameras at intersections designed to monitor traffic and traffic light compliance. They might track license plate numbers; but it takes humans, expensive humans, to do so. If they want to track someone, the use ground or field agents -- people who follow. Those are EXPENSIVE!!! So unless they plan immediate arrests, they ar not going ot have someone out there looking to see what you are doing. More likely, they would check on the way to or from some other operation, just to see if you are still there. On the other hand, if they need to track someone over a broader range, they can get credit card usage information and track a person's habits that way. Lets see now, 5 gallons of gas, 250 miles, that's 25 miles more than his usual commute. So where did he go.... Ok, he bought a soda, candy bar, and a hot dog a the fairgrounds, made an ATM withdrawal 8 miles from there, and rented a porn video from the Flicker on D street at 5:15. Ok, plus or minus 1 mile. Lets see if we caught anything like him on the D street traffic cams around 5:15. Ah, he had his bike on the back of the car. That complicates things. Was Hassan Imumbile at the fairgrounds the same time? No credit card purchases. Oh! He was at the Flicker five minutes before this kid rented his. Oooh, Lesbian Belly Dancers from Tibet, interesting. Didn't now they had belly dancers in Tibet. Hassan returned it, the kid rented it, and I'll bet there was something else in That package! They have caught pyromaniacs that way, looking for general patterns of credit cards used in the vicinity of a number of suspicious fires. One guy caught that way was an arson inspector. They put him at several fire locations BEFORE the fires broke out. When they confronted him with the facts, he confessed. But, that's not harassment, it's tracking. Harassment is when they want you to know you are being watched so that you'll either crack or not do something that they fear is going to harm too many people. So for you, I'd say it was a product of too much adrenaline and your imagination. Why? Because you keep citing the wrong technology as the cause of your harassment perceptions. If they can't use that to harass you, then your perception of them using it has to be imaginary. > WELL IT COMES DOWN TO; THAT I NEVER LIKE DRAWING > ATTENTION TO MYSELF; Really... then why are you running a micro-power broadcasting station, writing on a public forum such as this, etc? What you write here is placed in public archives available for anyone to read. BI, state and local police, your employer... anyone who looks up Clyde Lofton can find what you write here. How do you think I found out about this list? I looked to see who had links to my mad scientist photo-cartoon, read some of the archives, and joined. > THOUGH IT ALWAYS SEEMS THAT DO EXACTLY THAT! > I KNOW IT IS PARTLY MY FAULT; THOUGH IT IS NOT ENTIRELY > MY FAULT; MY ENTIRE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM IS > TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL; NOT TO MENTION THE CHEMICAL > ALLERGIES WITH THE ADRENAL AND THYROID STORM > OVERKILL THAT MAKES MY CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM > THAT CURSED WAY. Yes, the things you fear are the things you are most attracted to because you keep thinking of them. > BUT I LIKE TO HAVE PRIVACY TOO, JUST LIKE THE WEALTHY > FOLKS, THE ROCK STARS, THE D.J.'S, AND SO MANY OTHER > FOLKS OUT THERE LIKE TO HAVE THEIR PRIVACY TOO. I am afraid that they have less privacy than you! More people know of them, hire photographers to try to take pictures of them, etc. Clyde Who??? Clydesdale horses? Budweiser? Oh, Lofton. Never heard of him! He's the figment of soeone else's imagination. > When coupled with GIS > > DID YOU MEAN THE G.P.S. ? GIS, Global Information Systems, which many counties are using to tie together parcel maps, geological maps, topographic maps, aerial photographic pictures and satellite pictures into one easy-to-use system. Marvelous system! I'v used it quite a bit in my quest here. You can use the GPS location as an input to place that spot on the center of your screen, then add overlays for all kinds of things. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From ramiel01 at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 18:27:08 2006 From: ramiel01 at gmail.com (David Osborne) Date: Wed Mar 1 18:27:17 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Stonehenge and monoliths In-Reply-To: <20060301235509.62810.qmail@web36104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060301235509.62810.qmail@web36104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <65810da40603011727u2310641ftce9812aa4fbd7722@mail.gmail.com> On 3/2/06, j s wrote: > > "This I feel is crazy. How can anyone date any man made structure by the > > remains of people found berried on the premises? This is akin to > dating the pyramids by bones found in the vicinity." > > The remains in question were exhumed from directly under a stone as if it > was a burial covering. I forget the specifics but there was a way that > determined it was done simultaneously with the construction. > Yea, so it's more like dating the Pyramids (of giza I guess, which aren't that easily disturbed!) based on the age of a skeleton found inside. As far as sciences go, archaology is one of those esteemed fields where integrity seems to count for something (let's not even talk about tesla's interesting "findings") > The other interesting fact is that both the buried persons and the largest > stones come from Wales in the same area. The stone was determined based on > the quarry composition and the people's identity based on the specific > strontium and oxygen levels in the teeth which were identical to the area of > the stones. It appears they came by way of barges across a relatively rough > area of sea. > > > Interesting how our ancients looked to these monol ithic ( re:2001 a Space > Odyssey ) stones as a source of the sacred. > When you appreciate the effort and forethought needed to erect a single monolith in the right place, one has to admit that it would seem like the crowning achievement of your bronze age society to costruct a whole ring of them, with all of the vernal bells and whistles. These kinds of monuments serve as a powerful material focus of intangible beliefs and feelings - probably very important to a primitive religion's power. Heh, having said that, you only have to look at the number of neo-druids and New Age followers who make the pilgramige to, say, stonehenge UK to understand how sacred they would have been to their builders! ------------------------------ > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail > makes > sharing a breeze. > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060301/ec9e5bab/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 19:33:17 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Mar 1 19:33:23 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Militarization of Space. In-Reply-To: <20060302004016.33488.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20060302023317.68850.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > YEAH; TOO BAD WE THE PEOPLE OF THE FREE'EST > > COUNTRY ON PLANET EARTH CANNOT SHOOT EVERY > > SINGLE F'ING G-- D'ED AND F'ING MAN D'ED RADAR > > SATELLITE AND CAMERA SPY SATELLITE DOWN, OUT > > OF THE SKY..! > > I AM SICK OF IT F'ING ALL..! > > I find them quite useful for planning hikes, finding roads, looking > YES; THAT IS ALL GOOD! > THOUGH WHEN IT COMES TO HARASSMENT, BECAUSE > OF THINGS THAT I HAVE DONE........ Why should they use spy satellites??? Totally inappropriate technology for that! WHY SHOULD THEY USE SPY SATELLITES ? ; BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF THE EASIEST THINGS FOR THEM TO DO. At best, assuming no clouds, etc. it lets them see things like whether this or that is in position... on clear days... once or twice a day. So they are worthless for tracking an individual. For that, they use Predator drones. WELL, NOT PREDATOR DRONES FOR MYSELF; AT LEAST IF THEY HAVE USED THEM, OR IF THEY ARE USING THEM, I HAVE NOT BEEN AWARE OF IT; THE PREDATOR DRONES CAN ONLY FLY AT LOW ALTITUDE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. STANDARD JET AIRLINERS AND F-??' AIRCRAFT HAVE FLOWN OVER ME, QUITE FREQUENTLY THOUGH; WITH THEIR SPY CAMERAS. But not in the USA, as they don't want the liability of it crashes in a civilian area, nor the red tape of FAA clearances, etc. HOW CAN THEY AFFORD TO WASTE SO MUCH FUEL IN THEIR PLANES, WHEN THEY ARE PRICE GOUGING ALL OF US AT THE GAS PUMPS? Operations costs for any of these things are high. YES; I KNOW; JETS BURN A LOT OF FUEL, IN VERY VERY SHORT AMOUNTS OF TIME. Sharing is limited due to compartmentalization, need to know, etc. So for minor things involving the FBI, sharing will be limited. FCC has no claims; you can't see transmitters from space, you have to drive by and triangulate them. State police might get satellite data, quite old, from Google. State police in areas that can afford them, use cameras at intersections designed to monitor traffic and traffic light compliance. They might track license plate numbers; but it takes humans, expensive humans, to do so. YES. If they want to track someone, the use ground or field agents -- people who follow. Those are EXPENSIVE!!! WELL OUR OWN GOVERNMENT IS WASTEFUL OF MILLIONS OF LAXPAYER DOLLARS; [IF THE PAPER CURRENCY IS EVEN BACKED BY ANY PRECIOUS METALS ANYMORE], JUST TO CARRY OUT SUCH ABSOLUTELY WASTEFUL OPERATIONS! So unless they plan immediate arrests, they are not going ot have someone out there looking to see what you are doing. More likely, they would check on the way to or from some other operation, just to see if you are still there. YES. On the other hand, if they need to track someone over a broader range, they can get credit card usage information and track a person's habits that way. YES; THAT IS ONE OF THE EASIEST WAYS. Lets see now, 5 gallons of gas, 250 miles, that's 25 miles more than his usual commute. So where did he go.... Ok, he bought a soda, candy bar, and a hot dog at the fairgrounds, made an ATM withdrawal 8 miles from there, and rented a porn video from the Flicker on D street at 5:15. Ok, plus or minus 1 mile. Lets see if we caught anything like him on the D street traffic cams around 5:15. Ah, he had his bike on the back of the car. That complicates things. Was Hassan Imumbile at the fairgrounds the same time? No credit card purchases. Oh! He was at the Flicker five minutes before this kid rented his. Oooh, Lesbian Belly Dancers from Tibet, interesting. Didn't now they had belly dancers in Tibet. Hassan returned it, the kid rented it, and I'll bet there was something else in That package! RIGHT ON! They have caught pyromaniacs that way, looking for general patterns of credit cards used in the vicinity of a number of suspicious fires. One guy caught that way was an arson inspector. They put him at several fire locations BEFORE the fires broke out. When they confronted him with the facts, he confessed. YES. But, that's not harassment, it's tracking. Harassment is when they want you to know you are being watched so that you'll either crack or not do something that they fear is going to harm too many people. YES; THEY NOW KNOW THAT I AM AWARE OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING; THOUGH I DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING; BECAUSE IF I KNEW EVERYTHING I WOULD BE IN THE CATEGORY OF A WISEMAN; I PREFER TO BE HUMAN; OR AT LEAST SOMETHING THAT IS DOWN TO EARTH; THOUGH I DO, WANDER OUT INTO THE GALAXIES, AND I WANDER OUT BEYOND EVEN THE GALAXIES, INTO INFINITY AND BEYOND! So for you, I'd say it was a product of too much adrenaline and your imagination. YES WELL; ADRENALINE IS THE MAJOR ISSUE, WITH THE THYROID STORM ISSUE, AND THE CHEMICAL ALLERGIES AND OTHER TOXICITY ALERGIES ISSUE. Why? Because you keep citing the wrong technology as the cause of your harassment perceptions. If they can't use that to harass you, then your perception of them using it has to be imaginary. WELL; I AM NOT A WISEMAN, NOR HAVE I EVER CLAIMED TO BE A WISEMAN; THOUGH I REJECT FOOLISHNESS, EVEN THOUGH I HUMBLY ADMIT TO DOING FOOLISH THINGS IN MY LIFE; WHICH GOES BACK TO THE ISSUE OF THE LACK OF CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM CONTROL OF MYSELF; WHICH GOES BACK TO MY YOUTH; WHICH GOES BACK TO QUESTION; WHY HAS MY NEUROLOGY ALWAYS BEEN SCREWED UP IN THE FIRST PLACE? I'M NOT A CRACK BABY; OR IF I AM, I AM TOTALLY UNAWARE OF IT, IF I AM. I DO NOT KNOW, BECAUSE I NEVER KNEW THE THINGS THAT MY FATHER DID WHEN HE WAS A YOUNG MAN. > WELL IT COMES DOWN TO; THAT I NEVER LIKE DRAWING > ATTENTION TO MYSELF; Really... then why are you running a micro-power broadcasting station, writing on a public forum such as this, etc? WELL; EVERYONE NEEDS SOME FORM OF PUBLIC OUTLET IN THEIR LIVES; THOUGH IN MY CASE; I JUST DO NOT NEED ALL OF THE ATTENTION THAT I AM GETTING. What you write here is placed in public archives available for anyone to read. YES. BI, state and local police, your employer... anyone who looks up Clyde Lofton can find what you write here. YES. How do you think I found out about this list? I looked to see who had links to my mad scientist photo-cartoon, read some of the archives, and joined. IF I COULD; I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE HAVE READ ALL OF MY POSTINGS; THOUGH AT THE SAME TIME, I REQUEST PERSONAL PRIVACY, JUST AS EVERYONE ELSE WANTS PERSONAL PRIVACY IN THEIR LIVES AS WELL. > THOUGH IT ALWAYS SEEMS THAT DO EXACTLY THAT! > I KNOW IT IS PARTLY MY FAULT; THOUGH IT IS NOT ENTIRELY > MY FAULT; MY ENTIRE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM IS > TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL; NOT TO MENTION THE CHEMICAL > ALLERGIES WITH THE ADRENAL AND THYROID STORM > OVERKILL THAT MAKES MY CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM > THAT CURSED WAY. Yes, the things you fear are the things you are most attracted to because you keep thinking of them. IT IS BECAUSE MY ENTIRE MIND AND CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM ARE STORMING AT BEYOND THE BEYOND..! > BUT I LIKE TO HAVE PRIVACY TOO, JUST LIKE THE WEALTHY > FOLKS, THE ROCK STARS, THE D.J.'S, AND SO MANY OTHER > FOLKS OUT THERE LIKE TO HAVE THEIR PRIVACY TOO. I am afraid that they have less privacy than you! More people know of them, hire photographers to try to take pictures of them, etc. YES; MAYBE. THOUGH SOME MORE THAN OTHERS. Clyde Who??? Clydesdale horses? Budweiser? Oh, Lofton. Never heard of him! He's the figment of someone else's imagination. OK. > When coupled with GIS > > DID YOU MEAN THE G.P.S. ? GIS, Global Information Systems, which many counties are using to tie together parcel maps, geological maps, topographic maps, aerial photographic pictures and satellite pictures into one easy-to-use system. Marvelous system! I've used it quite a bit in my quest here. You can use the GPS location as an input to place that spot on the center of your screen, then add overlays for all kinds of things. OK. Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. YES; WHAT JOHN SAYS ABOVE; FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD TO SEE AND TO FOLLOW..! CLYDE --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060301/7cc0d654/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 19:56:46 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Mar 1 19:56:55 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] CEMETERIES OF THIS AREA; AND HAUNTED PLACES OF OKLAHOMA. Message-ID: <20060302025646.93472.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> CEMETERIES OF TULSA COUNTY OKLAHOMA; [GLORIA B. MAYFIELD, PROJECT MANAGER]: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/tx/topic/cemeteries/Oklahoma/Tulsa/ListTulsa.html CEMETERIES OF TULSA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA; [PROJECT MANAGER: GARY WEBB]: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ok/topic/cemeteries/Tulsa/ListTulsa.html HAUNTED PLACES IN OKLAHOMA: http://www.theshadowlands.net/places/oklahoma.htm --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060301/e588f2ea/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 1 20:45:44 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Mar 1 20:45:49 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Militarization of Space. In-Reply-To: <20060302023317.68850.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Mar 01, 2006 06:33:17 PM Message-ID: <20060302034544.6928.qmail@mall-net.com> > Why should they use spy satellites??? Totally inappropriate > technology for that! > > WHY SHOULD THEY USE SPY SATELLITES ? ; BECAUSE IT > IS ONE OF THE EASIEST THINGS FOR THEM TO DO. As I said, the technology would not get them the information they wanted to see on an individual class target like, well, you. Satellites return aggregate data on deployments of multiple objects, such as aircraft, truck fleets, etc. They also require interpretation by skilled, expensive people. Thus, they are the wrong technology to use. And since you can not know they are being used, your feelings must be a product of your imagination. > YES WELL; ADRENALINE IS THE MAJOR ISSUE, WITH THE > THYROID STORM ISSUE, AND THE CHEMICAL ALLERGIES > AND OTHER TOXICITY ALERGIES ISSUE. Maybe... > WELL; I AM NOT A WISEMAN, NOR HAVE I EVER CLAIMED TO > BE A WISEMAN; THOUGH I REJECT FOOLISHNESS, EVEN > THOUGH I HUMBLY ADMIT TO DOING FOOLISH THINGS IN MY We all do, Clyde. We all do. As I'd said, I've been followed. I knew it, and we tracked down the causes -- Frat house initiation deals and the strap on my camera labeling me as wearing a shoulder holster, hence being FBI or CIA. I'm not important enough to be followed. Never was. But it was a very insecure time in my life, and caused me to question a lot of perceptions. > LIFE; WHICH GOES BACK TO THE ISSUE OF THE LACK OF > CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM CONTROL OF MYSELF; WHICH > GOES BACK TO MY YOUTH; WHICH GOES BACK TO QUESTION; > WHY HAS MY NEUROLOGY ALWAYS BEEN SCREWED UP > IN THE FIRST PLACE? High adrenaline... some people are that way. It's what they do with it that's important. Some become ultra rational, others get locked up for doing things taht they should not have done. I guess it's a matter of asking yourself why you feel that way, and for more possible meanings of what you see -- not jumping to the first conclusion that your mind comes up with. Those are fairly easy habits to learn, and can ease your stress, and you life. > WELL; EVERYONE NEEDS SOME FORM OF PUBLIC OUTLET IN > THEIR LIVES; > THOUGH IN MY CASE; I JUST DO NOT NEED ALL OF THE > ATTENTION THAT I AM GETTING. So, you could turn it off... then the attention will evaporate. If there ever was any. > IF I COULD; I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE > HAVE READ ALL OF MY POSTINGS; THOUGH AT THE SAME > TIME, I REQUEST PERSONAL PRIVACY, JUST AS EVERYONE > ELSE WANTS PERSONAL PRIVACY IN THEIR LIVES AS WELL. That, you would get by having your own web site, where you can write all of your ideas, etc. > IT IS BECAUSE MY ENTIRE MIND AND CENTRAL NERVOUS > SYSTEM ARE STORMING AT BEYOND THE BEYOND..! To some degree because you let it. Will can do many things. I have been in class 9 pain, adrenaline raging, etc. Yet WILL can pull even chaotic thought and movement in the direction of some goal. > Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. > Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. > > YES; WHAT JOHN SAYS ABOVE; FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD > TO SEE AND TO FOLLOW..! I don't care what the world follows. I'm not The Leader. I find it more interesting to let the world find it's own ways; for the world is smarter than I, or any one lone man. I merely offer suggestions, things you might consider. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 21:06:01 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Mar 1 21:06:05 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Militarization of Space. In-Reply-To: <20060302034544.6928.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20060302040601.1805.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > WELL; EVERYONE NEEDS SOME FORM OF PUBLIC OUTLET IN > THEIR LIVES; > THOUGH IN MY CASE; I JUST DO NOT NEED ALL OF THE > ATTENTION THAT I AM GETTING. So, you could turn it off... then the attention will evaporate. YES; I COULD TURN IT OFF; THOUGH I HAVE NEVER REALLY WANTED TO DO THE MUSIC SCENE AS MUCH AS I'VE WANTED TO DO A PUBLIC SERVICE STATION. > IF I COULD; I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE > HAVE READ ALL OF MY POSTINGS; THOUGH AT THE SAME > TIME, I REQUEST PERSONAL PRIVACY, JUST AS EVERYONE > ELSE WANTS PERSONAL PRIVACY IN THEIR LIVES AS WELL. That, you would get by having your own web site, where you can write all of your ideas, etc. TOO BAD FOR ME THAT I DON'T HAVE EVEN THE SLIGHTEST CLUE HOW TO START AND OPERATE MY OWN WEBSITE; LET ALONE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO PAY FOR IT ALL. THOUGH I DO HAVE A SENSE THAT I ALREADY HAVE A YAHOO WEBSITE THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN AWARE OF; THOUGH I COULD BE WRONG; I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE DETAILS OF COMPLEX COMPUTER CRAP; MOST THINGS ABOUT COMPUTERS ARE NONSENSE. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060301/8818c6af/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 1 21:55:33 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Mar 1 21:55:36 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Militarization of Space. In-Reply-To: <20060302040601.1805.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Mar 01, 2006 08:06:01 PM Message-ID: <20060302045533.31658.qmail@mall-net.com> > So, you could turn it off... then the attention will evaporate. > > YES; I COULD TURN IT OFF; THOUGH I HAVE NEVER REALLY > WANTED TO DO THE MUSIC SCENE AS MUCH AS I'VE WANTED > TO DO A PUBLIC SERVICE STATION. But does anyone listen? Has anyone ever called you about your broadcasts? > > IF I COULD; I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE > > HAVE READ ALL OF MY POSTINGS; THOUGH AT THE SAME > That, you would get by having your own web site, where you can write > all of your ideas, etc. > > TOO BAD FOR ME THAT I DON'T HAVE EVEN THE SLIGHTEST > CLUE HOW TO START AND OPERATE MY OWN WEBSITE; LET > ALONE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO PAY FOR IT ALL. > THOUGH I DO HAVE A SENSE THAT I ALREADY HAVE A YAHOO > WEBSITE THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN AWARE OF; THOUGH I > COULD BE WRONG; I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE DETAILS OF > COMPLEX COMPUTER CRAP; MOST THINGS ABOUT COMPUTERS > ARE NONSENSE. I am a consultant with over 35 yers of experience in computers. Most things about computers, at least on the consumer level, are indeed nonsense! Starting with Windows! Have you contacted the Tulsa Linux User's group? It might give you another social outlet, some friends, and something interesting to do. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 22:01:08 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Mar 1 22:01:15 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] UNUSED U.H.F. BROADCAST TELEVISION SPECTRUM. Message-ID: <20060302050108.82857.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> WHAT DO WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND FOLKS OF OTHER COUNTRIES DO, IN THIS NEARLY TOTALITARIAN COMMERCIALIST HELL? DO THE U.H.F. BROADCAST FRQUENCIES NEED TO BE TOTALLY ALLOCATED TO VIDEO PORN STATIONS? UNUSED U.H.F. BROADCAST TELEVISION SPECTRRUM: http://www.eham.net/articles/8387 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060301/01289af6/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 22:04:45 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Mar 1 22:04:50 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] [SLIGHTLY CORRECTED:] UNUSED U.H.F. BROADCAST TELEVISION SPECTRUM. Message-ID: <20060302050445.68372.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> WHAT DO WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND FOLKS OF OTHER COUNTRIES DO IN THIS NEARLY TOTALITARIAN COMMERCIALIST HELL? DO THE U.H.F. BROADCAST FREQUENCIES NEED TO BE TOTALLY ALLOCATED TO PORN VIDEO STATIONS? UNUSED U.H.F. BROADCAST TELEVISION SPECTRUM: http://www.eham.net/articles/8387 --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060301/90e8e374/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 22:11:33 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Mar 1 22:11:37 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] RADIO AND COMPUTERS. In-Reply-To: <20060302045533.31658.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20060302051133.63045.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > So, you could turn it off... then the attention will evaporate. > > YES; I COULD TURN IT OFF; THOUGH I HAVE NEVER REALLY > WANTED TO DO THE MUSIC SCENE AS MUCH AS I'VE WANTED > TO DO A PUBLIC SERVICE STATION. But does anyone listen? YES. Has anyone ever called you about your broadcasts? YES. > > IF I COULD; I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE > > HAVE READ ALL OF MY POSTINGS; THOUGH AT THE SAME > That, you would get by having your own web site, where you can write > all of your ideas, etc. > > TOO BAD FOR ME THAT I DON'T HAVE EVEN THE SLIGHTEST > CLUE HOW TO START AND OPERATE MY OWN WEBSITE; LET > ALONE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO PAY FOR IT ALL. > THOUGH I DO HAVE A SENSE THAT I ALREADY HAVE A YAHOO > WEBSITE THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN AWARE OF; THOUGH I > COULD BE WRONG; I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE DETAILS OF > COMPLEX COMPUTER CRAP; MOST THINGS ABOUT COMPUTERS > ARE NONSENSE. I am a consultant with over 35 yers of experience in computers. OK. Most things about computers, at least on the consumer level, are indeed nonsense! Starting with Windows! YES; I ABSOLUTELY AGREE! Have you contacted the Tulsa Linux User's group? NOT YET; I FORGOT ABOUT THEM; THOUGH I'LL DO A SEARCH FOR THEM, STARTING TONIGHT. It might give you another social outlet, some friends, and something interesting to do. OK; I'LL TRY TO DO WHAT I CAN DO. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060301/68d0b85b/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 22:19:14 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Mar 1 22:19:20 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TULSA LINUX USER'S GROUP. In-Reply-To: <20060302051133.63045.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060302051914.19332.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Have you contacted the Tulsa Linux User's group? HERE IT IS: http://tulsalug.org/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060301/56643728/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Mar 2 02:47:10 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 2 02:47:22 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Yonaguni the sunken Japanese city Message-ID: <240.7cf8b41.3138191e@aol.com> In a message dated 3/1/2006 5:17:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: Many natural phenomenon appear to be artificial. And many artificial constructs appear to imitate natural phenomenon. Religion makes good use of this as it tries to assert and interpret a sense of control over nature by a third party. This phenomenon is very deep within our culture, and our own psyches. How true. There is one such example of what you speak about an hour away from my home in the White Mountains of New Hampshire. Know as The old Man of the Mountains this natural formation is known world wide. When Settlers managed to hack their way through the wild woods they found the huge face poking our of a mountain. Local Indian tribes believed that they would survive as long as the Old Man was there to watch over them. A couple years ago folks awoke to find the Old Man GONE !!!!! Some time in the night the face had fallen apart completely, not just part of the face, but, the whole slam dang thing. Here's where the nut fringe comes in. Because the Old Man was such a tourist attraction and brought in millions of dollars to an area that has no industry---some propose that millions of tax paying money go into replicating somehow the Old Man. As thing now stand, when you visit the look out points that once gave a fantastic view of the Old Man, there are now information boards with photos of what is no longer there. You can stand there and look at a perfectly normal looking mountain and read about what use to be. This does nothing for those who have never seen the real thing, no big deal. It is a big deal to those of us who remember with a feeling of awe the first time we saw the Old Man. Didn't matter how old you were or how often you saw him, the Old Man was AMAZING. Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060302/43e5ac0a/attachment-0001.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Mar 2 03:36:57 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 2 03:37:06 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Stonehenge and monoliths Message-ID: <2f3.2a5927.313824c9@aol.com> In a message dated 3/1/2006 6:56:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, creolescience@yahoo.com writes: The other interesting fact is that both the buried persons and the largest stones come from Wales in the same area. The stone was determined based on the quarry composition and the people's identity based on the specific strontium and oxygen levels in the teeth which were identical to the area of the stones. It appears they came by way of barges across a relatively rough area of sea. Like the pyramids found all over the world, the architecture of these structures must have taken generations of designers just to work out the math involved. Who were these genius people and where did they come from?? Without pencil or paper to draw their designs on, to calculate angles, square footage, load baring walls and such, I cannot imagine just a few people involved in the design process. In the time these structure were built 99% of humans on earth had no time to do anything but try to feed themselves and keep alive through wars, disease, and very short life spans. Something I have wondered about is why we have never found any building plans either painted on something, scratched in mud bricks or carved into stone somewhere. In the mid-west we have the mounds that some kind of civilization built, I cannot believe our modern day Indians (last thousand years or so) built them. The questions never seem to end. Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060302/457c5133/attachment.html From sjs052588 at aol.com Thu Mar 2 08:35:33 2006 From: sjs052588 at aol.com (sjs052588@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 2 08:35:54 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) Message-ID: <8C80C26144BF8F1-15EC-8EAE@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> please take me off ur mailing list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060302/8fca850a/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Mar 2 12:05:20 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Mar 2 12:05:28 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Yonaguni the sunken Japanese city In-Reply-To: <240.7cf8b41.3138191e@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Mar 02, 2006 04:47:10 AM Message-ID: <20060302190520.25178.qmail@mall-net.com> >> Many natural phenomenon appear to be artificial. And many ?> artificial constructs appear to imitate natural phenomenon. Religion >> makes good use of this as it tries to assert and interpret a sense of >> control over nature by a third party. This phenomenon is very deep >> within our culture, and our own psyches. > > How true. There is one such example of what you speak about an hour away > from my home in the White Mountains of New Hampshire. I remember the Old Man of the Mountain. I have seen other faces of weathered natural rock. It is "normal" for our highly attuned nervous systems to give the sense that we see a face; because faces were often the enemy. The face of a tiger in the leaves, the face of a warrior sitting, waiting to slay us at the water hole, the face of your mother coming to feed you. The face of The Virgin in melted cheese... It's all hardwired that some minor element triggers larger interpretation that we "see" the possibility of someone or some animal hiding, waiting for us as a meal. But it only has effect when you see it unbidden, our of nowhere. > A couple years ago folks awoke to find the Old Man GONE !!!!! Some time in > the night the face had fallen apart completely, not just part of the face, > but, the whole slam dang thing. I remember the news. I am of two opinions. It is silly to re-create something that was natural... and yet... and yet... But it was natural. if the rocks themselves are not identified, glued back together and reassembled... then it's not the same face. > This does nothing for those who have never seen the real thing, no big > deal. It is a big deal to those of us who remember with a feeling of awe the > first time we saw the Old Man. Didn't matter how old you were or how often you > saw him, the Old Man was AMAZING. To some, it was. To me as a kid, like most things, it was a "So? What's the big deal?" I look at the cave paintings. So? Then some article, I think in Science News, explained the flickering of the campfire, the interplay of shadows of the uneven surface... and the sense of someone coming in to the cave for the first time. Yes! Life! Better than the toy 3d pictures from a box of Crackerjacks or some serial. I've seen other rock faces. I've seen faces in lichen patterns on stone, in wind blown grass. I have some photos of such things mixed in http://www.mall-net.com/today/ , faces in clouds, faces in knots in branches, etc. But I am a scientist. I know, I've always known these are but random stones and wear. It is only when we create symbols within our mind, that the symbols give meaning to what we see, and to our lives. There is no inherent meaning to our lives, unless we gather and place meaning within our lives. Sad most never learn to do so, most are not taught to stand for something beyond ourselves. Be it the excellence and reference of our skills, the carrying out of the compassion of some deity, or whatever; standing for something gives us meaning. in a society which has far less sacred meaning, sacred hope; because we live in the heaven of our ancestor's dreams and myths. The far-seeing box, the far-talking horn, the birds that take us across the globe, the fast iron horses... even the huge leaf of divination capable of summoning up the spirits of wisdom from across the globe; all they are all ours, not much to dream and hope for there. (And what do we use that huge leaf for? Enacting scenes of carnage and disrespect for mankind and the creations of the Gods! What, exactly, are we worshiping???) With so little meaning of hope, it is up to us to stand for something, that our lives, and the lives around us, have meaning. (As for me... the moments of meaning are the completions of project when the client cocks his head in wonder as to how I could have delivered what I have. I am. This is what I do. Please tell others this story. Let it inspire them to do better, or to give me a call that I may do it for them. for yes, I am the hero of legends... Confidence, available for hire at only a dollar fifty per minute.) --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Mar 2 12:56:24 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Mar 2 12:56:29 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Stonehenge and monoliths In-Reply-To: <2f3.2a5927.313824c9@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Mar 02, 2006 05:36:57 AM Message-ID: <20060302195624.54797.qmail@mall-net.com> > Like the pyramids found all over the world, the architecture of these > structures must have taken generations of designers just to work out the math > involved. They knew no math. It was not needed. Today, we design for cheapness, for the minimal resources we need to create a functional structure. Economics and function are our mindsets, math letting us minimize resources till it barely holds together for twenty to fifty years. We do not seek endurance, nor much honor. These structures were built for the Gods, not for us. They are measured by the contribution of effort, not by their use. As for plans, why? Stonehenge is a representation of the sexual organs of a flower, modified by our being a flower of the sun. The plans are in nature and imagination. They FIT in the minds of those who built it. And there are many stonehenges, much smaller, sometimes just piles of rocks, across Europe. Have you never seen a flower with a ring of stamen around a central pistil? And some spider has lain down strands from stamen to stamen, now laden with dew. The only modification of the ring, is the number of pillars to reflect moons per solar year. And even that number, 13, is a Fibbonachi number, so may occur naturally in some plants. (1,2,3,5,8,13...) > Without pencil or paper to draw their designs on, to calculate angles, > square footage, load baring walls and such, I cannot imagine just a few people > involved in the design process. First built of sticks or small piles of stones, upgraded to logs over a few lifetimes. Then after a fire burned them down, rebuilt and soon enlarged to stone by the inspiration of some strong leader seeking to impress those tribes around him. Prototyping? Not exactly, for they who built the stick version didn't know someone else would enlarge it. He copied some flower that aligned by chance. Someone else added this or that, then as it became more used for time of year, they added an altar. And it all burned down! They rebuilt it, decided to rebuild yet again using stone. Perhaps the stones stood some years, with a wooden version inside, before someone else decided to make the top ring. Or perhaps the plan was for a top ring all along, just delayed.; But you see without math, if something had not stood for several years, something smaller, less enduring; they would not have gotten it so right! So it had to be a work in use and progress for many, many years. And if we use the Indian Indian examples, then it becomes likely that there were several woodhenges and rock henges at that spot before the design was recast in stone megaliths. > In the time these structure were built 99% of humans on earth had no time to > do anything but try to feed themselves and keep alive through wars, disease, > and very short life spans. Not true. Many, many days of not being able to do anything each year. Days between crops or gatherings, days of waiting for migrations, etc. Days of hoping for better, of wishing to show themselves worthy of better, either individually, or collectively. Patience was not a virtue, it was a way of life. Investment was not a virtue, it too, was the way of life of any agricultural society which plants and reaps or digs. We have lost this in our sense of day to day jobs doing the same thing over and over again without regard to season, without much regard to the slow creep of age we saw in our parents and grandparents who lived with us... so that we saw it, where we were headed, every day of our lives! We live such un-natural lives today! (Thank the stars we do! Death is not so common.) > Something I have wondered about is why we have never found any building > plans either painted on something, scratched in mud bricks or carved into stone > somewhere. > > In the mid-west we have the mounds that some kind of civilization built, I > cannot believe our modern day Indians (last thousand years or so) built them. The mounds were to elevate them out of the damp mists of the flats, slowly enlarged over time. Those on mounds would have better lung function, less illness. And also, disadvantage to any raiding party. These were immensely PRACTICAL people! We are blind to their practicality, for we do not live their lives. The only difference between us and them, is the mind set! We are instant people without history or patience. They were the people of their own legends. Inability taught them patience and their legends taught them to invest in the future. We have none of that! Investment councillors speak only of your future, not the future of mankind. Do you see my point? What am I missing here? Counterpoints, anyone??? --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 17:05:48 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Mar 2 17:05:58 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] NOW IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THIS! Message-ID: <20060303000548.50977.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> IMAGINE A PLACE AT THE CENTER OF THIS TOWN. A PLACE KNOWN AS THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE. NOW IMAGINE A DIRTY BOMB. AND NO; I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING THAT IS EVEN REMOTELY RELATED TO NUCLEAR. WHAT I AM REFERRING TO IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY VERY VERY STINKY..! NOW IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THIS; A CESSPOOL STINK BOMB THAT SENDS IT'S CESSPOOL SEPTIC SLUDGE FLYING FOR MILES AND MILES! AND ONE THAT COATS THE ENTIRE NORTH SIDE OF THE WORLD TRADE TOWER IN STINKY STINKY STINKY SLIMY S---! I KNOW THE BUSHES AND THE CLINTONS AND THE BIN LADENS AND SO MANY MANY MANY OTHERS OUT THERE HATE THE KAISERS. THOUGH WHY DOES THE CONFLICT BETWEEN ALL OF THEM HAVE TO BE SO NASTY NASTY NASTY STINKY? --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > IMAGINE A PLACE AT THE CENTER OF THIS TOWN. > A PLACE KNOWN AS THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE. > NOW IMAGINE A DIRTY BOMB. > AND NO; I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING THAT > IS EVEN REMOTELY RELATED TO NUCLEAR. > WHAT I AM REFERRING TO IS SOMETHING THAT IS > VERY VERY VERY STINKY..! > NOW IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THIS; A CESSPOOL > STINK BOMB THAT SENDS IT'S CESSPOOL > SEPTIC SLUDGE FLYING FOR MILES AND MILES! > AND ONE THAT COATS THE ENTIRE NORTH SIDE > OF THE WORLD TRADE TOWER IN STINKY STINKY > STINKY SLIMY S---! > I KNOW THE BUSHES AND THE CLINTONS AND > THE BIN LADENS AND SO MANY MANY MANY OTHERS > OUT THERE HATE THE KAISERS. > THOUGH WHY DOES THE CONFLICT BETWEEN ALL > OF THEM HAVE TO BE SO NASTY NASTY NASTY > STINKY? > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a > breeze. > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 18:19:19 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Mar 2 18:19:34 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] NOW IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THIS! In-Reply-To: <20060303004209.17177.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060303011919.44278.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Robert Juliano < rhjuliano@yahoo.com > wrote: Clyde, I'm sorry... what were you saying? I think I wasn't paying attention. Bob NOTHING VERY IMPORTANT. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <20060303221204.82238.qmail@web36115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Japanese Make Gasoline From Cattle Dung By KOZO MIZOGUCHI, Associated Press WriterFri Mar 3, 7:57 AM ET Scientists in energy-poor Japan said Friday they have found a new source of gasoline ? cattle dung. Sakae Shibusawa, an agriculture engineering professor at the Tokyo University of Agriculture and Technology, said his team has successfully extracted 1.4 milliliters (0.042 ounces) of gasoline from every 100 grams (3.5 ounces) of cow dung by applying high pressure and heat. "The new technology will be a boon for livestock breeders" to reduce the burden of disposing of large amounts of waste, Shibusawa said. About 500,000 metric tons (551,155 U.S. tons) of cattle dung are produced each year in Japan, he said. Gasoline extracted from cow dung is unheard of, said Tomiaki Tamura, an official of the Natural Resources and Energy Agency. Japan relies almost totally on imports for its oil and gasoline needs. The team, helped by staff from the National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology near Tokyo, produced gasoline by adding several unspecified metal catalysts to the dung inside a container and applying a 30-atmosphere pressure and heat of up to 300 degrees Celsius (572 Fahrenheit), Shibusawa said. Details of the catalysts could not be disclosed, he added. The team hopes to improve the technology so that it can be used commercially within five years, Shibusawa said. In a separate experiment revealing another unusual business potential for cow dung, another group of researchers has successfully extracted an aromatic ingredient of vanilla from cattle dung, said Miki Tsuruta, a Sekisui Chemical Co. spokeswoman. The extracted ingredient, vanillin, can be used as fragrance in shampoo and candles, she said. Tsuruta said the vanillin was extracted from a dung solution in a pressurized cooker in a project co-organized by a Japanese medical research institute. 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Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060303/768f5a1f/attachment-0001.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 15:15:35 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Fri Mar 3 15:15:44 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Have sex and destroy mutants at the same time! Message-ID: <20060303221535.69960.qmail@web36114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Back to Story - Help Why We Have Sex: It's Cleansing Ker Than LiveScience Staff Writer LiveScience.comThu Mar 2, 3:01 PM ET Scientists have long wondered why organisms bother with sexual reproduction. It makes a whole lot more sense to just have a bunch of females that can clone themselves, which is how asexual reproduction works. Turns out sex might have evolved as a way to concentrate lots of harmful mutations into individual organisms so they could be easily weeded out by natural selection, a new computer model suggests. The classic explanation for the onset of whoopee, about 1 billion years ago, is that it provides a way for organisms to swap and shuffle genes and to create offspring with new gene combinations that might survive if the environment suddenly changes. But some scientists think this isn't enough of a justification to outweigh the many costs of getting together to make little ones. Just ask any single person?sexual organisms have to spend valuable time and resources finding and attracting mates. If all organisms were like starfishes and cacti, which just drop pieces of themselves when they want to multiply, reproduction would be a whole lot simpler. There would be no need for elaborate peacock feathers or bird songs; stags wouldn't need antlers; elephant bulls wouldn't have to produce stinky cologne and guys probably wouldn't spend so much money on dates. Natural cleansing The new work could help test a hypothesis first proposed nearly 20 years ago, stating that sex evolved as a way to purge harmful mutations from a population. According to this view, the random shuffling of genes through sex will sometimes have the effect of concentrating many harmful mutations into single individuals. These individuals will be less healthy than their peers, and therefore more likely to be weeded out by natural selection, the thinking goes. This hypothesis, called the "mutational deterministic hypothesis," is controversial though, because it assumes that single mutations by themselves are only slightly harmful, while a combination of many mutations together is much more damaging. Scientists call this phenomenon "negative epistasis." If negative epistasis were true, it would provide a powerful explanation for why sex has managed to persist for so long despite its numerous costs. But the phenomenon has yet to be widely demonstrated in nature and scientists have yet to figure out how such a thing evolved in the first place. A new computer model by Ricardo Azevedo of the University of Houston and colleagues provides a possible answer to this last question. According to their model, detailed in the March 2 issue of the journal Nature, negative epistasis is a natural byproduct of sex itself. Digital critters The researchers created digital organisms that reproduced through sex in the same manner as real organisms. And like a regular organism, the virtual one developed a natural buffer to resist change by mutations. This ability, called "genetic robustness," is thought to be one of the main benefits of sex. By shuffling genes, sex allows a population to spread its mutations across many individuals within a group. The mutations become diluted and can be effectively dealt with by an individual's genetic repair system. But the researchers found that the protection only works when the digital organisms were facing a few mutations at a time. When assaulted by many at once, their repair systems became overwhelmed and the organisms died. Azevedo think this happens in real life, too. "Most organisms are never forced to adapt to being resistant to many mutations at once," he told LiveScience. "They're adapting to being resistant to one or maybe two mutations, but not to ten at the same time." The researchers think that the combination of genetic robustness through sex and the limited ability of organisms to deal with mutations leads to the natural development of negative epistasis. "Most mutations are actually harmful, so anything that helps populations get rid of their harmful mutations is going to be important," Azevedo said. "The more interesting side of evolution is all the beneficial mutations that leads to complex structures, but the dirty work of evolution is to get rid of bad mutations, and that's where sex seems to play a role." The Most Popular Myths in Science The Origin of Sex: Cosmic Solution to Ancient Mystery Survival Skills: Why Sex is Good Visit LiveScience.com for more daily news, views and scientific inquiry with an original, provocative point of view. LiveScience reports amazing, real world breakthroughs, made simple and stimulating for people on the go. Check out our collection of Amazing Images, Image Galleries, Interactive Features, Trivia and more. Get cool gadgets at the new LiveScience Store, sign up for our free daily email newsletter and check out our RSS feeds today! 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Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060303/085caaec/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 19:56:23 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Mar 3 19:56:54 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] IS HELL GOING TO FREEZE OVER, IN THIS WASTELAND..? Message-ID: <20060304025623.58333.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> WITHOUT NAMING THE NAME OF THIS TOWN: I RAISE THE QUESTION: IS HELL GOING TO EVER FREEZE OVER IN THIS INDUSTRIAL WASTELAND TOWN, OF T---- O-------..? DO THE POWERLINES HAVE TO START SNAPPING CRACKLING AND POPPING, AND MELTING, TO TRANSFORM[ER] AN ENTIRE ECONOMY THAT IS IN TOTAL ABSOLUTE STAGNANT AS STAGNANT CAN BE, AND IN TOTAL INSANE AS INSANE CAN BE, OF A STATE TO TRY TO LIVE IN; I CAN'T EVEN SEE; OR THINK STRAIGHT; BECAUSE T---- TIME HAS ME SO MIXED UP, DIRECTIONALLY. THE ECONOMY TOTALLY TRANSFORMED TO AN ALTERNATIVE ENERGY ECONOMY, SO THAT WE THE PEOPLE OF T---- CAN LIVE, HAPPY AND FREE IN PEACE AND HARMONY AND SERENITY WITH ONE ANOTHER? DO SPECIFIC PORTIONS OF THE INTRA-F---TURE HAVE TO BE TOTALLY DESTROYED, IN ORDER FOR UN-DEPENDENCE TO EXIST, EQUAL FOR EVERYONE OF ALL OF US, WITTH ZERO EXCEPTION? AND REGARDING THE MORALITY ISSUE AS WELL; WHAT DOES IT TAKE, TO MAKE TULSA AN ABSOLUTELY MORALLY STRAIGHT TOWN TO LIVE IN? I KNOW; THERE IS NOT EVEN A CHANCE FOR T---- O------- TO BE A TOTALLY UPRIGHT, TOTALLY MORALLY STRAIGHT PLACE TO EVEN TRY TO BEGIN TO LIVE IN. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060303/25e38488/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 23:44:14 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Mar 3 23:44:19 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Emailing: Sign09 / Sign06 In-Reply-To: <23c.7ea8473.313a089b@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060304064414.27514.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote: You may or may not find this amusing. Regards Vesta NO, IT IS NOT AMUSING. BUT IT IS ALRIGHT. I HAVE NO WHERE ELSE OTHER THAN THE MAD SCIENTISTS LIST, TO VENTT WHAT VERY LITTLE THAT I CAN VENT. CLYDE The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. I HAVE LOVE, BUT I ALSO HAVE HATE. DUALISM IS THE NATURE THAT I HAVE BEEN GIVEN. I DO NOT WANT IT ANYMORE. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE PERMANENTLY REMOVE IT FROM MY EXISTANCE AND MY REALITY, IN A TOTALLY SERENE WAY, IF POSSIBLE? ME AND MY SHADOW. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <20060304094429.97702.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> ENCEPHALOGRAM TO SPEECH, AND RELATIVE TOPICS: 1. http://itk1.bas-net.by/eng/l_sosm_projects_medical_diagnostics.html 2. http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET9910/ET07-4881.html 3. http://cslr.colorado.edu/people/cole/Ron_Resume.html 4. http://www.hmc.psu.edu/childrens/healthinfo/a/aphasia.htm 5. http://www.notaccessible.com/Disorderslisting/Landau-KleffnerSyndrome.html 6. http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/landaukleffnersyndrome/landaukleffnersyndrome.htm 7. http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~fflippo/docs/Fusion%20&%20Multi-modal%20interfaces/MIT-tochi-0802.pdf#search='enchephalogram%20to%20speech.' 8. http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/hdShowLfts.asp?lftname=NINDS235&cid=HTHLTH 9. http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/m/a/mad5000/landau_kleffner_syndrome.htm --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060304/42bf5f17/attachment.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 08:01:26 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Sat Mar 4 08:01:41 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Prehistoric milling site found in California Message-ID: <20060304150126.67826.qmail@web36101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Prehistoric Milling Site Found in Calif. Fri Mar 3, 6:58 PM ET Archaeologists working on a housing development found a prehistoric milling site estimated to be 8,000 years old, officials said. Large, chunky arrowheads, stone slabs used to grind seeds and acorns, hearths and scorched rocks were among the items found at the site at the base of the Angeles National Forest. No human or animal bones were discovered, according to archeologists from Cogstone Resource Management Inc. The Santa Ana consulting firm was hired by Azusa Land Partners, the company that's developing 1,250 homes on the 520-acre site. Workers removed and catalogued about 100 tools and implements used by the Tongva, or "People of the Earth," who lived in the area before Europeans arrived. "I'm very happy the proper steps are being taken in the preservation and recording of this very integral part of local and regional history," said Jeffrey Cornejo, chairman of the Azusa Cultural Preservation Commission. "I hope it will be celebrated and enjoyed by the public and used as a learning tool." The area has been a known archaeological site since a study by the University of California, Los Angeles in the 1960s but the exact location was only discovered three weeks ago, said Sherri Gust, Cogstone's president. The excavated portion measured about 50 yards by 80 yards and was 1 1/2 yards deep. Work was completed Feb. 24. The find won't delay home construction, said Bill Holman, a spokesman for Azusa Land Partners. 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Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060304/98ea6b62/attachment-0001.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 08:22:59 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Sat Mar 4 08:23:05 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Viable Hydrogen cars in 10 years? ( and I tried to paste it better ; ) ) Message-ID: <20060304152259.59105.qmail@web36112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> *So I figure we can have hybrid cars running on a combo of cowdung-based gas, solar roof and hoods and fuel cells - so get to work already guys! I only self experiment ;) * CHICAGO (AFP) - General Motors Corp. has made major steps in developing a commercially viable hydrogen-powered vehicle and expects it can get the emission-free cars into dealerships in the next four to nine years, a spokesman told AFP. GM also expects it will be able to "equal or better gas engines in terms of cost, durability and performance" once it is able to ramp up volume to at least 500,000 vehicles a year, said GM spokesman Scott Fosgard. GM has partnered with Japanese rival Toyota Motor Corp. for a number of years on developing the experimental fuel-cell technology. On Thursday, the automaker announced that while it will continue its tie-up with Toyota on other advanced technologies, it will no longer be sharing its fuel-cell research. "Because of the advances we made that type of technology is passing from the research phase to development," Fosgard said. Fuel cells produce electricity through a chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen, leaving water as the only by-product. They are far more environmentally friendly than the currently popular hybrid gas-electric engines which merely reduce the amount of gas needed to power the vehicle. There are still a number of barriers to the commercialization of hydrogen-powered cars. One is the infrastructure cost of building refueling stations. Another big challenge is reducing the cost of obtaining hydrogen itself, which has to be extracted from fossil fuels, such as carbon, or from water. The International Energy Agency has said that if conditions were right, hydrogen and hydrogen fuel cells could play key roles in weaning energy users away from oil, gas and coal. "In the most favourable conditions, hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles would enter the market (in mass numbers) around 2025 and power 30 percent of the global stock of vehicles by 2050 -- the equivalent of about 700 million vehicles," the IEA said in a recent report. "The oil saving would then be equivalent to some 13 percent of global oil demand, or five percent of the global energy demand." GM and Toyota will continue to work together on technology that will help to save lives, Fosgard said. The world's largest automakers have been collaborating since 1999 on developing safety systems and advanced technologies. The partnership was set to expire at the end of the month and has been extended to March 31, 2008, GM said. The latest agreement covers information exchange and collaborative research in areas such as energy usage and emissions, intelligent transportation systems, vehicle infrastructure integration and vehicle-to-vehicle communications. It also allows for joint research projects in other areas. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060304/f005b709/attachment.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 08:29:31 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Sat Mar 4 08:29:40 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] German engineering in ze haus! Message-ID: <20060304152931.60898.qmail@web36112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amateur Cracks Secret Nazi Code Walaika K. Haskins, newsfactor.com Thu Mar 2, 7:15 PM ET Nazi code that eluded the best cryptographers the Allied forces had to offer during World War II has been solved by an amateur codebreaker with the assistance of a network of computers. The three uncracked ciphers -- a cipher is a method of transforming text in order to conceal its meaning -- were encrypted in 1942 with a new version of the infamous German Enigma machine, which was used to direct attacks against Allied shipping in the Atlantic. The M4 Project, the brainchild of Stefan Krah, a violinist and amateur cryptographer of German birth, is credited with cracking one of the three remaining ciphers. The project was named in honor of the M4 Enigma machine that originally encoded the messages. To solve the puzzling mystery, details of which had been published in a cryptography journal in 1995, Krah wrote a codebreaking program and then went online in January to post information about his project and ask for assistance. In an interview with the BBC, Krah, a resident of Utrecht, The Netherlands, said it was "basic human curiosity" that prompted him to attempt to break the code. "Clearly, the project is from the 'because-we-can' department," Krah wrote on a bulletin board online. Super Sleuths Unite Krah was not looking for additional brain power when he posted his request for help online. Rather, he was trolling for more computer power. The program Krah created required the might of a series of connected computers to process his mathematical codebreaking formula. When the response to his request for help came, Krah said, he was astonished by "the exponential growth of participants." On January 9, when the project began, Krah counted himself as the only participant. After his announcement online, another five or so people joined and became regular participants. That number expanded to some 2,500 computers whirring away as they ran through the 150 million permutations of each letter to crack the Enigma cipher, the top priority for Allied codebreakers at the vaunted Bletchley Park complex in Buckinghamshire, England. Amateurs One, Pros Zero Success for Krah came on February 20, when a jumble of 196 letters became a legible message once again after 63 years. In its encrypted form, the message appeared as follows: NCZW VUSX PNYM INHZ XMQX SFWX WLKJ AHSH NMCO CCAK UQPM KCSM HKSE INJU SBLK IOSX CKUB HMLL XCSJ USRR DVKO HULX WCCB GVLI YXEO AHXR HKKF VDRE WEZL XOBA FGYU JQUK GRTV UKAM EURB VEKS UHHV OYHA BCJW MAKL FKLM YFVN RIZR VVRT KOFD ANJM OLBG FFLE OPRG TFLV RHOW OPBE KVWM UQFM PWPA RMFH AGKX IIBG The unencrypted message has been translated into English and verified using existing records from Hartwig Looks, commander of the German submarine U264, which was later sunk in the North Atlantic in February 1944. The message, sent on November 25, 1942, reads: "Forced to submerge during attack. Depth charges. Last enemy position 0830h AJ 9863, [course] 220 degrees, [speed] 8 knots. [I am] following [the enemy]. [Barometer] falls 14 mb, [wind] nor-nor-east, [force] 4, visibility 10 [nautical miles]." Krah said that he is not sure the remaining two codes will be cracked. So far, the power of thousands of PCs joined in this effort has resulted in little success. "There is no guarantee that another break will occur at all," Krah was quoted as saying. "There is simply a fair chance." To volunteer your computer's processing power to crack the final two codes, go to www.bytereef.org/m4_project.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060304/b138cdab/attachment.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 09:22:44 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Sat Mar 4 09:22:49 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Pentagon mulling 'stealth sharks' to patrol the seas: New Scientist Message-ID: <20060304162244.95136.qmail@web36107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Pentagon mulling 'stealth sharks' to patrol the seas: New Scientist Pentagon is reportedly funding research into neural implants with the ultimate hope of turning sharks into "stealth spies" capable of gliding undetected through the ocean. if (window.yzq_a == null) document.write(""); if (window.yzq_a) { yzq_a('p', 'P=R8K3lUSOwhXz3AqkQ8MHDQymRXOtwkQJvjkABUPp&T=1906gp8dh%2fX%3d1141489209%2fE%3d95959713%2fR%3dnews%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d1.1%2fW%3d8%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d1329891139%2fH%3dY2FjaGVoaW50PSJuZXdzIiBjb250ZW50PSJJbnRlcm5ldDtoZWxwO3JlZnVybF93d3dfeWFob29fY29tIiByZWZ1cmw9InJlZnVybF93d3dfeWFob29fY29tIiB0b3BpY3M9InJlZnVybF93d3dfeWFob29fY29tIg--%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d2047BFD1'); yzq_a('a', '&U=139fmcnof%2fN%3dme6KRtG_RuM-%2fC%3d378029.8086464.8909908.1442997%2fD%3dLREC%2fB%3d3191098'); } According to the British weekly New Scientist, the research builds on experimental work to control animals by implanting tiny electrodes in their brain, which are then stimulated to induce a behavioral response. "The Pentagon hopes to exploit sharks' natural ability to glide quietly through the water, sense delicate electrical gradients and follow chemical trails," says the report, carried in next Saturday's New Scientist. "By remotely guiding the sharks' movements they hope to transform the animals into stealth spies, perhaps capable of following vessels without being spotted." The unusual project is being funded by the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), which pioneered the Internet as a platform for robust communications. Scientists involved in the scheme presented their work last week at a meeting on Ocean Sciences in Honolulu, Hawaii, according to the report. A team at Boston University have implanted electrodes into the brain of a spiny dogfish in a shallow tank. The implants, controlled by a small radio transmitter, stimulate either the right or left side of a brain area dedicated to smell, causing the fish to flick around in that direction in response to the signal. The next step will be to take this device outside the laboratory. Blue sharks implanted with the gadget are to be released off the coast of Florida. As radio signals will not penetrate the sea, communications with the fish will be made through US Navy acoustic towers capable of sending sonar signals to a shark up to 300 kilometers (187 miles) away. Other DARPA-funded researchers are working on using implants to record brain activity in sharks in order to understand which neurons are fired by scents, electrical or magnetic fields. These signals help the fish to navigate and offer the reward of food, and could thus in theory be manipulated for surveillance work. New Scientist says the DARPA work is controversial, but also points out that work with animal implants also has a potential benefit for medicine. Understanding more about the brain's electrical signals could one day result in implants to control a prosthetic limb to overcome paralysis. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060304/6fc0ddb7/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 10:54:09 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 4 10:54:13 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] EYE OF THE BEHOLDER: BY METALLICA; [ALTERNATIVE LYRICS BY MYSELF..!] Message-ID: <20060304175409.45117.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> EYE OF THE BEHOLDER: BY METALLICA: [HETFIELD, HAMMETT, AND ULRICH] [ALTERNATIVE LYRICS BY ME..!] DO YOU SEE WHAT I SEE? TRUTH IS AN OFFENSE. YOU SILENCE FOR YOUR CONFIDENCE. DO YOU HEAR WHAT I HEAR? DOORS ARE SLAMMING SHUT. LIMIT YOUR CREATION; KEEP YOU WHERE THEY MUST. DO YOU FEEL WHAT I FEEL? BITTERING DISTRESS. WHO DECIDES WHAT YOU EXPRESS? DO YOU TAKE WHAT I TAKE? ENDURANCE IS THE WORD. MOVING BACK INSTEAD OF FORWARD SEEMS TO ME ABSURD. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU SEE. OR INTO IT WHAT YOU READ. YOU CAN HAVE IT YOUR OWN WAY. IF IT'S DONE JUST HOW I SAY. UNDEPENDENCE. LIMITED. FREEDOM. A CHOICE IS MADE FOR YOU MY FRIEND. FREEDOM, OF SPEECH, IS WORDS THEY WILL BEND. FREEDOM. WITH THEIR EXCEPTION. DO YOU FEAR WHAT I FEAR? LIVING PROPERLY. TRUTHS TO YOU ARE LIES TO ME. DO YOU CHOOSE WHAT I CHOOSE? MORE ALTERNATIVES. ENERGY DERIVES FROM BOTH THE PLUS AND NEGATIVE. DO YOU HAVE WHAT I HAVE? BOUNDARIES OVERTHROWN. LOOK INSIDE, TO EACH *IS* OWN. DO YOU TRUST WHAT I TRUST? ME; MYSELF; AND I. BLAST THROUGH THE SMOKE SCREEN; I SEE THROUGH THE SELFISH LIE. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU SEE. OR INTO IT WHAT YOU READ. YOU CAN DO IT YOUR OWN WAY. IF IT'S DONE JUST HOW I SAY. UNDEPENDENCE. LIMITED. FREEDOM. A CHOICE IS MADE FOR YOU MY FRIEND. FREEDOM, OF SPEECH, IS WORDS THEY WILL BEND. FREEDOM. WITH THEIR EXCEPTION. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I KNOW? YOUR MONEY AND YOUR WEALTH. YOU SILENCE JUST TO HEAR YOURSELF. DO YOU WANT WHAT I WANT? DESIRE NOT A THING. I HUNGER AFTER UNDEPENDENCE. LENGTHEN FREEDOM'S RING. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU SEE. OR INTO IT WHAT YOU READ. YOU CAN DO IT YOUR OWN WAY. IF IT'S DONE JUST HOW I SAY. UNDEPENDENCE. LIMITED. FREEDOM OF CHOICE IS MADE FOR YOU MY FRIEND. FREEDOM, OF SPEECH, IS WORDS THEY WILL BEND. FREEDOM. NO LONGER FREES YOU. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU SEE. OR INTO IT WHAT YOU READ. YOU CAN DO IT YOUR OWN WAY. IF IT'S DONE JUST HOW I SAY. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Posting too much leaves the list owner and the poster both liable for prosecution. And not posting the URL of the article along with the text keeps us from finding related items, which many of the publications include in sidebars. Igor, you might want to chop part of those articles in the archives for your safety. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no lawyer, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as legal advice. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 21:24:23 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 4 21:24:39 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TOPIC: DENTIST FILLINGS. Message-ID: <20060305042423.75507.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> TOPIC: DENTIST FILLINGS: http://1stdentist.com/dentist-article38.shtml http://www.ultimateesthetics.com/ http://www2.vhihealthe.com/topic/fillings --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060305/d3c3117f/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Mar 5 07:34:59 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sun Mar 5 07:35:14 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SEARCH TOPIC: DRUMMING FOR WELLNESS. Message-ID: <242.7fd9d57.313c5113@aol.com> Clyde, your link to these sites got my brain in gear. Thank you. What is it about audio-vibrations that cause the human body to want to move to the sounds ?? The human brain is so complex, I have noticed that when I work around machinery, ear plugs or ear muffs in place, after a while the steady thumps of the machines bring to mind songs I have heard that carry the same beat. I seem to remember a rock band that produced an album 20 years ago, not the bang your head kind of music, kind of medium beat of love songs. In the background of these songs they used a barely audible back beat of a humane heart. Each song differed the heart beat to the song contents ,in some the beat would be slow others rapid like Reveilles , Bolero. Humans have found that there is a mathematical sequence between the beats of a drum that will lull the brain into feeling safe and a sequence places the brain into a war ready state. The Chinese found the sound of a gong empty's the brain of all thought, they use the gong sounds to meditate Seems like this all comes down to math, Damn Clyde, ain't we humans AMAZING????? Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060305/69ea7587/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Mar 5 08:04:01 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sun Mar 5 08:04:12 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] IS THERE ANY RELATION BETWEEN THEM? Message-ID: <62.66552816.313c57e1@aol.com> In a message dated 3/5/2006 5:54:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: _http://www.geniusspermbank.com/_ (http://www.geniusspermbank.com/) This I find a joke. Genetics is so complicated, we may never figure it out. Reminds me of Albert Einstein when he met Marylin Monroe, She thought they should have a child together, he replied "what if the child gets your brains and my looks?" Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060305/d0352b72/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 09:03:41 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Mar 5 09:03:45 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SEARCH TOPIC: DRUMMING FOR WELLNESS. In-Reply-To: <242.7fd9d57.313c5113@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060305160341.29678.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote: Clyde, your link to these sites got my brain in gear. Thank you. YOU'RE WELCOME. What is it about audio-vibrations that cause the human body to want to move to the sounds ?? YES; OR TO BE AT ONE WITH WITH NATURE AND TECHNOLOGY. The human brain is so complex, I have noticed that when I work around machinery, ear plugs or ear muffs in place, after a while the steady thumps of the machines bring to mind songs I have heard that carry the same beat. YES; MACHINE MUSIC. I seem to remember a rock band that produced an album 20 years ago, not the bang your head kind of music, kind of medium beat of love songs. In the background of these songs they used a barely audible back beat of a humane heart. Each song differed the heart beat to the song contents ,in some the beat would be slow, others rapid like Reveilles, Bolero. I'VE HEARD OF BOLERO, THOUGH I'VE NEVER HEARD THE MUSIC. Humans have found that there is a mathematical sequence between the beats of a drum that will lull the brain into feeling safe and a sequence places the brain into a war ready state. YES; THE DRUMS HAVE A CALMING EFFECT, AND AT THE SAME TIME CAN PUT PEOPLE INTO A WAR READY STATE. The Chinese found that the sound of a gong, empty's the brain of all thought, they use the gong sounds to meditate. YEAH; I'VE VISITED A LOCAL BUDDHIST TEMPLE. THEY DIDN'T USE A GONG, BUT THEY DID USE A BELL. THE BELL IS AN EXTREMELY CALMING SOUND. THOUGH THE SMOKE, FROM THE BURNING INCENCE WASN'T HELPFUL TO MY DIFFICULTIES IN BEING ABLE TO TRY TO BREATHE, WITH CHEMICAL ALLERGIES AS THOSE LIKE WHAT JOHN SUFFERS FROM. Seems like this all comes down to math, Damn Clyde, ain't we humans AMAZING????? ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. MYSELF INCLUDED. LOVE CONQUERS ALL THINGS. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060305/1e669304/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 09:05:57 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Mar 5 09:06:02 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] IS THERE ANY RELATION BETWEEN THEM? In-Reply-To: <62.66552816.313c57e1@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060305160557.62769.qmail@web50615.mail.yahoo.com> Vesta111@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/5/2006 5:54:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: http://www.geniusspermbank.com/ This I find a joke. Genetics is so complicated, we may never figure it out. Reminds me of Albert Einstein when he met Marylin Monroe, She thought they should have a child together, He replied "What if the child gets your brains and my looks?" RIGHT ON MAN! Regards Vesta --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060305/0345f7cc/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 10:09:00 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Mar 5 10:09:06 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] NEWS, MEDIA, OTHER INFORMATION, AND ISOLATION. In-Reply-To: <20060305034841.54011.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060305170900.53082.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> NEWS, MEDIA, OTHER INFORMATION, AND ISOLATION: DO WE HAVE TO ELIMINATE THE FIBER OPTIC TRANSMISSION LINES, AND BE ISLANDS OF SENDING AND RECEIVING NEWS, AND MEDIA, AND 'ALL' OTHER INFORMATION TO ONE ANOTHER? IT APPEARS TO ME THAT OUR FUTURE IS NOW IN MANDATORY NEED OF GOING THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE OF THE EXISTANCE OF THE CURSED, AND THE SEEMINGLY ENDLESS ARGUEMENT WARS, BETWEEN THE POLITICAL LEFT, AND BETWEEN THE POLITICAL RIGHT. THOUGH WE WILL ALL BE IN NEED OF ABSOLUTE GOOD SOCIETAL HEALTH AND HEALTH CARE STANDARDS; HEALTH CARE STANDARDS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY EQUAL FOR EVERYONE OF ALL OF US, AND WITHOUT EXCEPTION FOR ANY OF US. IT APPEARS TOO, THAT WE WILL ALL NEED CERTAIN, AND TO AN ABSOLUTE SPECIFIC EXTENT, FASCIST STYLE LAWS: FASCIST STYLE LAWS THAT ARE ABSOLUTE, ONLY TO AN ABSOLUTE CERTAIN AND SPECIFIC EXTENT WITHIN OUR AMERICAN ESTABLISHED SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES. OUR AMERICAN GOVERNING SYSTEM OF WE THE PEOPLE; THAT IS; EVERYONE OF ALL OF US EQUALLY USING OUR OWN SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES OF GOVERNING OURSELVES AS OUR FOUNDING FATHERS OF THIS GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA INTENDED FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF ALL OF US TO SHARE WITH ONE ANOTHER. FOR EVERYONE OF ALL OF US TO BE GOVERNED UNDER, WITH TOTAL, ABSOLUTE EQUALITY, EQUAL FOR EVERYONE OF ALL OF US, AND WITHOUT EXCEPTION FOR ANY OF US. GOODBYE FOR NOW, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060305/cfbfd661/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Mar 5 12:27:28 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Mar 5 12:28:03 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Intelligence In-Reply-To: <62.66552816.313c57e1@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Mar 05, 2006 10:04:01 AM Message-ID: <20060305192728.56012.qmail@mall-net.com> > _http://www.geniusspermbank.com/_ (http://www.geniusspermbank.com/) > This I find a joke. Genetics is so complicated, we may never figure it > out. Reminds me of Albert Einstein when he met Marylin Monroe, She thought they > should have a child together, he replied "what if the child gets your brains > and my looks?" I think that intelligence is mostly habits of the mind, learned early in life. Those who study cognition say that most of intelligence is related to how large a short term memory you have. On that I find particularly interesting, is the ability to relate things to one another by multiple attributes, and use those as part of the methodology of thought Perhaps we could discuss some of the traits we see in intelligent people vs those in stupid people? First thing I notice, is the greater degree of calmness in intelligent people. I don't think intelligence gives them calmness, I think the calmness lets them be intelligent. Adrenaline narrows the mind, moves a person toward action. The speech of an intelligent person tends to be level. upspeak, sentences ending in a raised tone, indicates stress and uncertainty. Downspeak, sentences ending in a down tone (like Houseman's portrayal of the professor), is more denotational, implying certainty which does not change. Intelligence, to be functional, needs to be able to change things, questions facts, etc. I notice a certain amount of trembling, subsonics in a bright person's voice. Sometimes I can guess their intelligence based upon this. I think it has to do with the size of short term memory; but am unsure. Engineers tend to have quite a bit of theta band modulation, normals have high alpha modulation. Seems to me the more silky smoothness in a voice, the dumber the person is. Intelligent people don't seem to need certainty the way most people do. The geniuses embrace uncertainty, even cherishing contradictory information as it is a puzzle at the core of what is. Isaac Asimov said that one of the best tests for intelligence is an appreciation for science fiction. What other traits have you seen in intelligent people vs dumb pope? --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 13:59:06 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Mar 5 13:59:10 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Intelligence. In-Reply-To: <20060305192728.56012.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20060305205906.86550.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: Isaac Asimov said that one of the best tests for intelligence is an appreciation for science fiction. YES; AN APPRECIATION OF SCIENCE FICTION; THOUGH NOT AN OVER INDULGENCE IN IT. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060305/dcae4f2b/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 22:36:05 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sun Mar 5 22:36:46 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] CAN WE DESTROY, OR DECONSTRUCT THE TULSA B.P.L. ENSLAVEMENT SYSTEM? Message-ID: <20060306053605.23057.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> CAN WE THE PEOPLE, OF TULSA OKLAHOMA, AND AMERICA, DESTROY OR DECONSTRUCT, THE B.P.L. ENSLAVEMENT SYSTEM? CLYDE LOFTON --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060305/47a3b3c2/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 07:11:08 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Mar 6 07:11:12 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MORTAL SIN. Message-ID: <20060306141108.63517.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> IT IS MORTAL SIN, TO PENETRATE THE FRONT, THE BACK, AND THE SIDES OF THE HUMAN BEING..! AND THE GATES OF HELL ARE THERE, READY TO OPEN, AND ARE READY TO BACK BOTH THE AVENGENCE, AND THE REVENGENCE UP, IF PEOPLE BREAK THAT LAW..! --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060306/da121a0e/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Mon Mar 6 10:55:34 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 6 10:56:05 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Clyde, Check out Solar Death Ray Message-ID: <21c.940f671.313dd196@aol.com> _Solar Death Ray_ (http://www.solardeathray.com/index.html) Say Clyde, this looks like fun, do you think it would really work???? What do you think this would really be useful in our every day life ?? This thing looks easy to make, jut buy lots of little mirrors, some plywood and glue. I thought of you when I came across this site, now here is something Clyde , you may want to experiment with. I wonder, can one cook with these rays, can you heat water, would this augment solar power ?? How about our military, what use could they use of this idea ???? You can get some plywood and experiment with patterns of small mirrors, use something that will not glue the mirrors down so you can't move them. Looking at the photo of the death ray it seems to follow a perfect circle. Think I will give this a try myself. Little money lots of fun and knowledge. Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060306/312f15f3/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Mar 6 13:56:14 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Mar 6 13:56:37 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Clyde, Check out Solar Death Ray In-Reply-To: <21c.940f671.313dd196@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Mar 06, 2006 12:55:34 PM Message-ID: <20060306205614.91074.qmail@mall-net.com> > _Solar Death Ray_ (http://www.solardeathray.com/index.html) > I wonder, can one cook with these rays, can you heat water, would this > augment solar power ?? When I first arrived on the mountain, I attempted to do some concentrated solar cooking and waste disposal. I found that anything not immersed in water bursts into flames, and the glass (pyrex) a concentrated beam of light passes through spalls, that is, emits thin layers of broken glass. Aside from the expense of vessels, the glass fragments are mechanically dangerous as it does not dissolve in stomach acids the way spalled metals may. (I have read reports of insane patients who ate razor blades and did not consent to their surgical removal. X-Ray observation showed that the blades took about two to three days to dissolve completely and did not, in general, result in fatality. But these patients were insane.) Waste disposal is also complicated by the fact that it is generally wet, and thus considerable BTUs are expended drying it before it starts to burn. After some ten minutes of trying to burn a banana peel, and only obtaining a stinking smoldering spot, I gave up and put it in the trash bag. These two phenomenon render high-solar cooked food quite dangerously inedible, and solar disposal potentially somewhat objectionable to the neighbors. Later attempts at waste disposal using a 200,000 btu gas fired furnace base (open flame) proved similarly unsuccessful, again due to the water content. An opened 700 gram can of beans was used to simulate post-consumed waste, and placed in the hotter part of the flame. Approximately 15 minutes later, only half the volume had been reduced despite considerable propane consumption (about 20 times that of my furnace.) This resulted in a red glow from portions of the can, flame coming out the top of the can, and such. Inspection revealed some charing at the top; but the rest of the mass was still quite edible, even tasty, due to evaporative cooling. It was thus concluded that post-consumed beans and similar wet waste could not be economically disposed of in this manner. The experiment was performed at night so as to allow good photography of the flames, which were impressive. The photos are at http://www.mall-net.com/incin/ While the construction of a true kiln-like setup could improve fuel consumption by re-directing radiant heat back to the vessel; one is faced with the need to burn post incineration gases in a secondary flame. Given the moisture content problems, this disposal mode seems as though it would entail excess construction costs and fuel costs. Others in the area air-dry such waste; but they use remote portions of their property for such drying; and neighbors are not always appreciative of the intermediate vapors. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From creolescience at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 14:07:47 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Mon Mar 6 14:07:52 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] What other traits have you seen in intelligent people vs dumb Message-ID: <20060306210747.83025.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One thing I have noticed is an interest in general to how things work as opposed to what is occurring. The more intelligent seem interested in the source of things whereas the less intelligent are more interested in the transitory and how it is percieved by others ( the faddish quality). I've also seen a greater interest in personal growth and self improvemnet as well as an openness to new ideas . Stubborness seems to limit intelligence. So does resentment and other excessive emotional states. Now all those things being said, plenty of intelligent people lack common sense and the ability to interact with others which is ultimately self defeating because it limits potential opportunites and networking. It can also breed bitterness. So while there is a perception that intellectual intelligence is superior, I think the truly intelligent are those who live effectively, learning from experience and are having a happy existence. I see no real benefit to knowing how everything works or being bogged down with a plethora of facts if one is lonely and miserable. In fact serial killers are quite often borderline genius - if there is no satisfying outlet for great intelligence it seems the result is self destruction and madness. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060306/2346b38e/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Tue Mar 7 04:39:18 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 7 04:39:26 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] What other traits have you seen in intelligent people vs... Message-ID: <1f9.1c5d8dac.313ecae6@aol.com> In a message dated 3/6/2006 4:08:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, creolescience@yahoo.com writes: In fact serial killers are quite often borderline genius - if there is no satisfying outlet for great intelligence it seems the result is self destruction and madness. I have read that serial killers, modern day ones that is, all have one thing in common, they all listen to country and western music. Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060307/df2474ea/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Mar 7 11:40:13 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Mar 7 11:40:19 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] What other traits have you seen in intelligent In-Reply-To: <20060306210747.83025.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "j s" at Mar 06, 2006 01:07:47 PM Message-ID: <20060307184013.75156.qmail@mall-net.com> > One thing I have noticed is an interest in general to how things work > as opposed to what is occurring. The more intelligent seem interested > in the source of things whereas the less intelligent are more interested in > the transitory and how it is percieved by others ( the faddish > quality). I've also seen a greater interest in personal Old saying: Common people talk about people, brighter people talk about things, and the brightest talk about ideas. I've seen it to be true. I'd add that the really low lifes talk about their cats and dogs. > Now all those things being said, plenty of intelligent people lack common sense and > the ability to interact with others which is ultimately self defeating > because it limits potential opportunites and networking. It can also > breed bitterness. Well... the problems is that the really bright people don't get the chance to interact with their peers because there are no peers. I'm not going to knock off a few beers with the drunks up here, and not just because I can't stand alcohol. I think these guys get drunk because they don't have anything to talk about, and don't want to show their ignorance and stupidity. The other thing is that if you are really bright these days, there are more ideas and things than there are people. Not so back in the days when you had to trade coconuts for fish., or arrowheads for meat. > So while there is a perception that intellectual intelligence is > superior, I think the truly intelligent are those who live > effectively, learning from experience and are having a happy > existence. I think that comes under Emotional Intelligence, something that we don't learn in the days of fake TV adventures and special effects laden movies. Most of us don't have enough experience in life with people to tell interesting stories by the campfire. > I see no real benefit to knowing how everything works or being bogged > down with a plethora of facts if one is lonely and miserable. In fact > serial killers are quite often borderline genius - if there is no > satisfying outlet for great intelligence it seems the result is self > destruction and madness. I think serial killers are something else. I really don't think they represent humanity, much less the intelligent. But I do see that the normals are afraid of the brights, and so shun them, make fun of them, etc. in effort to build themselves up. This dries the bright away from social interaction. And from that, they get more involved in things and books. Molloy, the guy who wrote "Dress for Success" earns his living by studying how people interact. He was hired to do a study on what makes a really good engineer. He wrote that the best engineers had some episode in their lives which isolated them, either bullies, moving to a new location, or such which made them turn to books. They are not the most outgoing people, and so the typical Personnel Relations person, who IS outgoing, does not want to hire them unless so directed by upper management. Some years later, when the non-disclosure period was about to expire, company he did the study for tried to intimidate Molloy to prevent him from publishing the results of that study. By the way, Molloy's works more than doubled my income; they really helped me get work during the era of the suit. All of his writings were based on observation and testing. But the world does change... and people who take pride in themselves, their appearance and their work seems to be diminishing. Sad. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From ramiel01 at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 01:06:59 2006 From: ramiel01 at gmail.com (David Osborne) Date: Wed Mar 8 01:07:07 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] What other traits have you seen in intelligent people vs... In-Reply-To: <1f9.1c5d8dac.313ecae6@aol.com> References: <1f9.1c5d8dac.313ecae6@aol.com> Message-ID: <65810da40603080006r5e3103c7mcde01f79c0c3568d@mail.gmail.com> Hey now, that's not fair! To profile such a broad and diverse social group such as so called "serial killers" belies a penchant not for reductionism, but for 'basicism'. I propose that serial killers are cultured from all kinds of social profiles [a view which is borne out by a rather large volume of credible research!]. The conclusion? that sociopathy, and resultant cultured psychopathy is a *natural* dependence of humanity. Pathos and destruedo are inherent traits of our psychology. Besides, I don't listen to country and western... - David "take the pills, they solve everything" On 3/7/06, Vesta111@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/6/2006 4:08:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > creolescience@yahoo.com writes: > > In fact serial killers are quite often borderline genius - if there is no > satisfying outlet for great intelligence it seems the result is self > destruction and madness. > > I have read that serial killers, modern day ones that is, all have one > thing in common, they all listen to country and western music. > > Regards Vesta > > > > The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written > word. > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060308/79f54986/attachment.html From thrustmeister at netzero.net Wed Mar 8 04:07:30 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Wed Mar 8 04:09:52 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Intelligence Message-ID: <20060308.030829.14128.573090@webmail26.lax.untd.com> Intelligence is defined as the ability to adapt. Other than that, intelligent people talk about concepts and ideas, whereas less intelligent people discuss things and other people. (I believe it was Dear Abby who stated this.) -- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > _http://www.geniusspermbank.com/_ (http://www.geniusspermbank.com/) > This I find a joke. Genetics is so complicated, we may never figure it > out. Reminds me of Albert Einstein when he met Marylin Monroe, She thought they > should have a child together, he replied "what if the child gets your brains > and my looks?" I think that intelligence is mostly habits of the mind, learned early in life. Those who study cognition say that most of intelligence is related to how large a short term memory you have. On that I find particularly interesting, is the ability to relate things to one another by multiple attributes, and use those as part of the methodology of thought Perhaps we could discuss some of the traits we see in intelligent people vs those in stupid people? First thing I notice, is the greater degree of calmness in intelligent people. I don't think intelligence gives them calmness, I think the calmness lets them be intelligent. Adrenaline narrows the mind, moves a person toward action. The speech of an intelligent person tends to be level. upspeak, sentences ending in a raised tone, indicates stress and uncertainty. Downspeak, sentences ending in a down tone (like Houseman's portrayal of the professor), is more denotational, implying certainty which does not change. Intelligence, to be functional, needs to be able to change things, questions facts, etc. I notice a certain amount of trembling, subsonics in a bright person's voice. Sometimes I can guess their intelligence based upon this. I think it has to do with the size of short term memory; but am unsure. Engineers tend to have quite a bit of theta band modulation, normals have high alpha modulation. Seems to me the more silky smoothness in a voice, the dumber the person is. Intelligent people don't seem to need certainty the way most people do. The geniuses embrace uncertainty, even cherishing contradictory information as it is a puzzle at the core of what is. Isaac Asimov said that one of the best tests for intelligence is an appreciation for science fiction. What other traits have you seen in intelligent people vs dumb pope? --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists From Vesta111 at aol.com Wed Mar 8 08:03:33 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 8 08:03:47 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] What other traits have you seen in intelligent Message-ID: In a message dated 3/7/2006 1:40:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: I've seen it to be true. I'd add that the really low lifes talk about their cats and dogs. Just what the heck is an intelligent person ??? A high IQ, or perhaps someone who understands, or drives themselves to understand the world as we know it???? Would you say a person with an IQ that is around 80 or so who struggles every day to understand their life as they live it are not intelligent ?? These folk have no idea how or why( say) electricity works, nor do care. They just remember from trial and error that results are achieved when done in the proper sequence. I spent a fortune having a speaker system installed in my car once. I kept taking it back to the shop since I could not get my AM stations to come in without static. All the kings horses and all the kings men, the highly trained tecs. could not get my system to work. Neighbors kid, who could not remember what day it was ,heard about my problem--as did everyone I could find to tell them of my expensive problem. He and dad came over one day and first thing the kid had me do was start the car, them turn on window wipers. The radio set to AM began to buzz. He told me it was not the speakers but a short in the cars wires that was to blame. Sure enough, I had the car checked out and they found the problem. The boy had no idea why or how he solved the problem, he only knew what the problem was. That I think is the telling point on intelligence, being able to solve problems.That and knowing what not to do to achieve your desired goal. As far as talking about their dogs and cats, this is not being a low life. This is an act of love. Unlike children who worry you from the day they are born until the day you die, a pet is more stable and reliable. They don't live as long as children and if trained properly are a joy to the owners. They go through the hard times and the good times with you, they will place their lives on the line for you without a thought. You need to get out more and don't judge these low lives. Have a brew or soda with the local scum that live for NASCA. They can teach you more about aerodynamic theory then a science high school teacher. Take in a local dog show, you will hear about genetics, DNA, selective breeding. History is here too, the uses of the animals around the world at different times in history. Don't forget the crazy old lady that lives down the road. The one that wins prizes for her quilts. The math involved making these pieces of art is staggering. You will learn more from everyday people then you will from someone who is a super brain. First , if you can understand what the heck they are talking about, the conversation will not allow you to interact with neighbors and friends to get their input on what you have learned. You will have to rely on only those few people who do understand ,and, they may not agree with the information. Get out there and talk to everyday people, that drunk that has a still on the hill is practicing chemistry, the short order cook may love science fiction and enjoy gabbing about favorite authors. A smart person will never, ever pass up a chance to learn anything and everything. So you have no interest in making rot gut whiskey, some day you may run into a crony that makes their own wine. it would be interesting to compare the two processes. regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060308/ac50e530/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Mar 8 14:43:11 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Mar 8 14:43:16 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Genius and insanity.. Message-ID: <004f01c642f9$4cc02ab0$6401a8c0@mikey> ...Are separated by a very thin line. Cf. Van Gogh. It's about control. IF one can control the mind, one is a genius. If not, one is a madman. Now *where* did I put my butcher's knife and cleaver... -MB From creolescience at yahoo.com Wed Mar 8 18:24:08 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Wed Mar 8 18:24:25 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Researchers insist that centaurs actually existed ( from Pravda) Message-ID: <20060309012408.37016.qmail@web36107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ')//--> Centaurs appeared after copulation between humans and animals 11.10.2005 Source: URL: http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/9049-centaur-0 Researchers insist that centaurs actually existed Archeologists have discovered rock paintings depicting strange creatures and called them teriantrops, hybrids of humans and animals. Researchers believe that ancient artists made the painting from life. Paul Takon from the Australian Museum in Sydney and anthropologist Christopher Chippendale from the University of Cambridge say that such hybrids, including centaurs, were highly likely living side by side with primitives. In Australia and South Africa, the researchers discovered dozens of rock paintings showing animals with human heads and humans with animal heads that may be over 32 thousand years old. They have had the first in history detailed study of the strange drawings. The study covered about 5,000 rock paintings of our ancestors; the researchers systematized the frequency and the types of depicted teriantrops and determined their ages. They arrived at a conclusion that animal men actually existed in the remote past. They believe that primitives could hardly draw what they never saw. Myths of Ancient Greece and Rome also tell us about animal men, and centaurs are the most frequent ones. These are creatures with the human torso transforming into the feet of a horse or some other animal, a bull, a donkey, a sheep and even a goat. The word centaur is a compound of KEN (kenw) meaning "I kill" and TAUROS meaning "bull", and it reveals astronomic knowledge of our ancestors. When the constellation of Sagittarius (Centaurus throwing a spear) appears in the night skies, we can no longer see Taurus, one of the Sun symbols. The anciet legends say that centaurs came down from the Greek mountains where they failed to keep up friendly relations with the local population. As far as some centaurs loved drinking wine, they easily flew into a rage and conflicted with people. Mythology expert, Candidate of historical sciences Alexander Guryev says that animal men were the result of buggery, sex contacts between men and animals, which were quite typical of the ancient epochs. The expert adds that many people believed that they descended from animals: Tibetans believed they descended from monkeys, Hindu believed that horses were their ancestors and people in Thailand thought they descended from the dog. Some ancient legends are absolutely strange indeed. There is an old Greek myth saying that great conqueror Alexander the Great was conceived after a contact with a grass-snake, into whom Zeus, the patron of all gods and humans, turned with the view to seduce Olympia, the daughter of Macedonian king. Historical sources reveal that buggery was very popular among ancient Greeks and Romans. A legend says that Greek scholar Thales recommended his master Periandr not to engage unmarried shepherds not to produce more centaurs. Roman satirist Juvenalis wrote that "Roman women often exposed their naked buttocks to tempt donkeys into sex contacts." In Egypt, these contacts were part of the fertility cult ceremony. In ancient times, warriors took a flock of sheep or goats for every battle; they used animals for eating and having sex. There is written evidence saying that Italian soldiers deserted during the siege of Lyons by catholics in 1562 because they had little sheep for sex contacts. Allowing sex contacts between soldiers and animals was believed the lesser evil than sex with prostitutes. Respectable scholars - Paracelsus, Cardano and famous accoucher of the 16th century Fortunio Liceti - several times registered birth of hybrids, animal kids born by humans and human kids born by animals. Their notes mention horses, elephants, dogs and even lions. Alexander Guryev says that some time ago the official science would not recognize the possibility of interbreeding of humans and animals. But recently relaiable scientific sources have published results of genetic experiments as a result of which researchers got chimeras in test-tubes, germs having part of human and part of animal cells. From the genetics point of view, the difference between humans and animals makes just several per cent. It is not ruled out that spontaneous mutations may take place in rare instances, and natural interbreeding is quite possible in this case. May it be so that humans with such mutations lived in all epochs? Famous Danish anatomist Thomas Bartolin wrote he saw a woman who had a baby with a cat head after copulation with a cat. Medicine books of the 19-20th centuries describe instances of birth of animal humans. At the end of the past century, some British researchers wrote about black women living togetehr with gorillas. Children born as a result of such contacts could even do easy work abour the house and even speak. Unfortunately, researchers had no chance of seeing these creatures because the hybrids felt seriously hurt and escaped to jungle. Alexander Guryev says that researchers have no whole centaur skeletons but lots of upper and lower parts of centaurs skeletons. 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Gitelson in his book ?Living Light of the Ocean.? ?Waves of light were moving from west to east. Gradually, they took the shape of long rays coming from one center at the skyline and rotating clockwise. These rays were not straight, but concave. The whole system was moving, while reducing the speed of its movement, and gradually it vanished all together.? And now a case of light illumination observed a year earlier in the Ochotsk Sea from the ship Ochotsk: ?Suddenly, an unusual green-white light broke out under the stern, which soon occupied most of the water?s surface. This luminous surface had an oval shape and moved for some time together with the ship, then gradually separated from it and flew ahead of it. It moved away fast and shone as a strip.? Now, let us be carried to North-Chinese Sea, to the year 1893. The British ship Caroline. The officer on the watch noticed some unusual lights between the ship and Mount Aucland. While the officer watched them, they gathered into a heap or lined up. The ship was moving at a speed of 7 knots, and the line of lights also moved at the same speed. Around midnight, they vanished. In 1977, the Soviet newspaper Nedelya wrote about the same phenomena. The luminescence was observed by Vladimir Vorobyov from a Soviet research ship. ?After having completed an ocean investigation, the team suddenly noticed a white light rotating clockwise at a distance of 150 or 200 m, which split into eight parts. A sonar device registered a depth of 170 m and showed the presence of a big mass under the keel at a depth of 20 m. After 30 minutes, the luminescence disappeared. In 1976, Bulgarian sailors Yulia and Doncho Popasov carried out a world tour on their 8-m ship. In late April, they saw large circles of light circles on the water surface, which were sliding past. The sailors got the impression that, from the ocean depths, a searchlight shone. Yulia even heard a moan behind his back. She turned around, and something very huge seemed to hang over her. Then she saw a large light approaching the ship. It had the shape of a ship with people onboard. Were they aliens? Sometimes, mysterious lights have also been seen in the sky. Once, US scientist A. Sanderson in his article ?Aboriginal of Sea Depths? expressed a risky thought about an underwater civilization existing on Earth. If we look for extraterrestrial intellect in space, why not to look for it in ocean, which gave life to land? In this way, professor Sanderson explains some strange phenomena. In his article, Sanderson refers to the well-known book by Thor Heyerdahl about his Kon-Tiki trip. One gloomy night, the steersman noticed a dim blaze over the water, which gradually took the shape of an animal. The ghostly creature always changed its shape. Sometimes it was round, sometimes oval, sometimes triangular, then it suddenly split up to two parts, which separately moved under the raft. &to=http://rufon.r2.ru' target=_blank>Russian UFO Portal Translated by Vera Solovieva ? 1999-2006. ?PRAVDA.Ru?. When reproducing our materials in whole or in part, hyperlink to PRAVDA.Ru should be made. The opinions and views of the authors do not always coincide with the point of view of PRAVDA.Ru's editors. 3.0) {document.print();} else {window.print();} } prn(); --> --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The first expedition to study the Tunguska meteorite was organized in 1927. Professor Leonid Kulik headed the mission. However, explorers have never managed to discover any fragments of the celestial body. The press service of the Evenkiya republic administration reported the expedition worked in the western part of the region in the summer of the current year. The mission's itinerary was based on the results of the space footage analysis. Explorers believe they have discovered blocks of an extraterrestrial technical device, which crashed down on Earth on June 30th, 1908. In addition, expedition members found the so-called ?deer? ? the stone, which Tunguska eyewitnesses repeatedly mentioned in their stories. Explorers delivered a 50-kilogram piece of the stone to the city of Krasnoyarsk to be studied and analyzed. It is generally believed a giant ball of fire flew above Central Siberia before the Tunguska meteorite blast. Scientists have analyzed hundreds of eyewitnesses' stories and revealed a still inexplicable detail. Thunder-like sounds and incredible light effects were seen not only during and after the bolide flight, but also before it. Several eyewitnesses, including a political exile (a highly-educated individual), mentioned that in their stories. It is very hard to explain it with subjective mistakes, because such affirmations reiterate independently. Observers were located tens of kilometers far from the area of the fall. A ballistic wave could not create such a sound: it could remain behind the bolide, but it could never outdistance it. The only real explanation can be linked with powerful electromagnetic phenomena, albeit scientists have not developed a complete analysis of the issue from this point of view. Another circumstance is tied with the direction of the body's movement. On the ground of eyewitnesses' testimonies collected in the 1920s and 1930s, scientists concluded the bolide had flown northwards from the south. The analysis of the woods destruction, though, testified to the westwards movement of the body from the east. It is noteworthy it is the direction that can be traced in eyewitnesses' stories. The discrepancy is evident. A lot of scientists have tried to explain the mysterious phenomenon using various approaches. It was particularly said several bolides had flown above the Siberian woods in 1908. This point of view seems to be rather unfounded ? no eyewitness could see several bolides in one day. Another theory provoked a discussion in the scientific world, when professor F.Zigel proposed the meteorite maneuvered in the Earth's atmosphere. It would be possible to discuss the theory only if the Tunguska meteorite was a man-caused catastrophe. The meteorite flight culminated in the powerful blast up to 40 Mt of trotyl equivalent. ? 1999-2006. ?PRAVDA.Ru?. When reproducing our materials in whole or in part, hyperlink to PRAVDA.Ru should be made. The opinions and views of the authors do not always coincide with the point of view of PRAVDA.Ru's editors. 3.0) {document.print();} else {window.print();} } prn(); --> --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060308/4c52cbc2/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 8 19:14:43 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Mar 8 19:14:58 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Researchers insist that centaurs actually existed In-Reply-To: <20060309012408.37016.qmail@web36107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "j s" at Mar 08, 2006 05:24:08 PM Message-ID: <20060309021443.72943.qmail@mall-net.com> > 11.10.2005 Source: URL: http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/9049-centaur-0 > Researchers insist that centaurs actually existed Ya, right! First, the article is out of Russia! While they have top notch theoretical scientists, they also have a lot of quackpots seeking to make money via any means possible. In theory, chimeras, mixtures of multiple species, are possible. In Theory. However, the mechanics of a reasonably viable mixture are highly unlikely. First of all, a male's sperm is unlikely to result in chimera production because it needs a human egg. Multiple strange mutations would have to occur to get to the blastula stage regardless of whether the host is human or animal. And most mutations are unlikely to be viable; much less produce a valid segmentation with a human head, proper nerve transitions, etc. And these paintings of centaurs basically have a human's upper torso grafted upon a horse's neck. Well gee whiz... How many hearts, stomachs, livers, etc? And how does one get the air from the head past the horse's shoulders into the horse's lungs??? Serious problems indeed! So from the start, the paintings are of non-bio-mechanically creatures. If they could not have worked mechanically, then they must have been imaginary, no? > Archeologists have discovered rock paintings depicting strange > creatures and called them teriantrops, hybrids of humans and animals. > Researchers believe that ancient artists made the painting from life. Thus, one has bull detritus! > Paul Takon from the Australian Museum in Sydney and anthropologist > Christopher Chippendale from the University of Cambridge say that such > hybrids, including centaurs, were highly likely living side by side > with primitives. In Australia and South Africa, the researchers > discovered dozens of rock paintings showing animals with human heads > and humans with animal heads that may be over 32 thousand years old. It is a small leap from saying a person has the eyes of an eagle, to drawing a chimera. Many gods and goddesses of varied cults had such mixed appearances. One might also add that before Greece, most people believed that animals were superior to humans, not inferior. Gods and goddesses were animal-like, not human-like. As to the Greeks, any non-horse riding people, when first seeing a man on horseback, may mistake the two as one being. From this, told one to another to another, it is easy to imagine a chimera that is half horse, half man. And thus, to draw them as such in various ways, including the standard centaur. Ther is also the occasional mutation or birth defect that makes a person's knees bend the wrong way, like a horse's front legs. this may be the basis for the myth of the other, more bio-mechanically plausible two legged man-horse or man-goat. > They believe that primitives could hardly draw what they never saw. In an arena where one knows nothing, does one draw realistically, or does one draw from imagination? If one says all sorts of things have spirits, from sheep to trees to rocks, then it is not unlikely that we will get the occasional imaginative person attributing partial human traits to the things. Take that one step further, and one has semi-human forms in myth, which an artist will depict in paintings. Simple test: Take a young child who has not much cartoon exposure, and ask him or her to draw a man-horse, a part-man, part horse creature. Put it another way. Were the cave paintings in France made by someone observing and painting the animals, or remembering the animals after the fact? How much difference is there between memory and imagination? -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 8 19:22:55 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Mar 8 19:22:59 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Explorers find UFO fragments in Tunguska meteorite In-Reply-To: <20060309015911.76850.qmail@web36108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "j s" at Mar 08, 2006 05:59:11 PM Message-ID: <20060309022255.76388.qmail@mall-net.com> > > 10.08.2004 Source: URL: http://english.pravda.ru/society/anomal/6491-tunguska-0 Ah, Pravda! The old saying, there is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth. If they have lied every day before, why should they change now? > The first expedition to study the Tunguska meteorite was organized in > 1927. Professor Leonid Kulik headed the mission. However, explorers > have never managed to discover any fragments of the celestial body. And numerous others have dug through it all since, never finding anything, NOT EVEN AN IMPACT POINT! Soviets, Americans, Russians, and others have been there with earth movers and other equipment. If anything is found there now, it will be some piece of equipment someone forgot. Latest theory is it was a cometary object, bursting into gas before reaching the surface. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 8 19:47:57 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Mar 8 19:48:04 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mysterious Ocean Lights and Underwater Aliens In-Reply-To: <20060309015426.14715.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "j s" at Mar 08, 2006 05:54:26 PM Message-ID: <20060309024757.89385.qmail@mall-net.com> > Mysterious Ocean Lights and Underwater Aliens > 11.10.2002 Source: URL: http://english.pravda.ru/russia/13366-0 "There is no news in the truth, and no truth in the news!" -- old soviet saying about the newspapers Izvestia and Pravda. > Strange, unexplained phenomena observed > The World Ocean What do we know about it? The most ancient forms of > underwater life exist extreme depths, causing mysterious phenomena, > for example, luminescence of the ocean: giant wheels rotating with great > speed, luminous lines crossing the ocean from one skyline to the > other, and huge fluorescent streaks rising from the depth. Much ocean life emits light, some continuous, some only when disturbed, some only when calm. These are a variation of the computer field called cellular automata. I have written and run some intriguing simulations which behave like this, spawning strange patterns racing across the screen. Minute randomizations make the patterns look almost intelligent. Indeed, this is how neural network simulations look -- attempts to simulate the interactions of neural cells. There was an article about this in Scientific American many years back, including a piece in the Amateur Scientist about simulating these phenomenon. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From creolescience at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 14:32:48 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:32:52 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] re:Pravda articles Message-ID: <20060309213248.6616.qmail@web36112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hmmm, methinks Javilk may be a skeptic. ;) --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060309/7edbf7cd/attachment.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 14:52:47 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:52:56 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] rat-squirrel not extinct Message-ID: <20060309215247.85036.qmail@web36105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Maybe the Flores people will be found living there too ;) Back to Story - Help Rat-Squirrel Not Extinct After All By LAURAN NEERGAARD, Associated Press Writer2 hours, 48 minutes ago It has the face of a rat and the tail of a skinny squirrel ? and scientists say this creature discovered living in central Laos is pretty special: It's a species believed to have been extinct for 11 million years. The long-whiskered rodent made international headlines last spring when biologists declared they'd discovered a brand new species, nicknamed the Laotian rock rat. It turns out the little guy isn't new after all, but a rare kind of survivor: a member of a family until now known only from fossils. Nor is it a rat. This species, called Diatomyidae, looks more like small squirrels or tree shrews, said paleontologist Mary Dawson of Pittsburgh's Carnegie Museum of Natural History. Dawson, with colleagues in France and China, report the creature's new identity in Friday's edition of the journal Science. The resemblance is "absolutely striking," Dawson said. As soon as her team spotted reports about the rodent's discovery, "we thought, 'My goodness, this is not a new family. We've known it from the fossil record.'" They set out to prove that through meticulous comparisons between the bones of today's specimens and fossils found in China and elsewhere in Asia. To reappear after 11 million years is more exciting than if the rodent really had been a new species, said George Schaller, a naturalist with the Wildlife Conservation Society, which unveiled the creature's existence last year. Indeed, such reappearances are so rare that paleontologists dub them "the Lazarus effect." "It shows you it's well worth looking around in this world, still, to see what's out there," Schaller said. The nocturnal rodent lives in Laotian forests largely unexplored by outsiders, because of the geographic remoteness and history of political turmoil. Schaller calls the area "an absolute wonderland," because biologists who have ventured in have found unique animals, like a type of wild ox called the saola, barking deer, and never-before-seen bats. Dawson describes it as a prehistoric zoo, teeming with information about past and present biodiversity. All the attention to the ancient rodent will be "wonderful for conservation," Schaller said. "This way, Laos will be proud of that region for all these new animals, which will help conservation in that some of the forests, I hope, will be preserved." Locals call the rodent kha-nyou. Scientists haven't yet a bagged a breathing one, only the bodies of those recently caught by hunters or for sale at meat markets, where researchers with the New York-based conservation society first spotted the creature. Now the challenge is to trap some live ones, and calculate how many still exist to tell whether the species is endangered, Dawson said. Copyright ? 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. 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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060309/6ffe1a36/attachment.html From thrustmeister at netzero.net Fri Mar 10 02:49:41 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Fri Mar 10 02:51:01 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] What other traits have you seen in intelligent Message-ID: <20060310.014944.27280.595636@webmail21.lax.untd.com> Unfortunately, serials killers do represent humanity. It equates to pulse formation. The wider the range of frequencies which are combined, the tighter the resulting pulse. -- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: I think serial killers are something else. I really don't think they represent humanity, much less the intelligent. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Mar 10 09:41:56 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Mar 10 09:42:15 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] What other traits have you seen in intelligent In-Reply-To: <20060310.014944.27280.595636@webmail21.lax.untd.com> from "thrustmeister@netzero.net" at Mar 10, 2006 09:49:41 AM Message-ID: <20060310164156.5923.qmail@mall-net.com> > > Unfortunately, serials killers do represent humanity. It equates to pul= > se formation. The wider the range of frequencies which are combined, th= > e tighter the resulting pulse. = "Human nature does not change." Or so the saying goes. I think that's false. As one article pointed out, the character formed in an abusive childhood is quite coarse, willing to abuse others and use force to attain his or her goals. Such a character, the article reminded us, is very functional in a more primitive society where the competition is much harsher and the penalty for failure can be death. Come to think of it, survival and scarcity describes conditions in a lot of societies till relatively recently in history. A program on Dr. Spock said that the creation of abundance starting in the 1920's set America apart from the rest of the world, sparking a different ethic, one that pediatrician Dr. Spock wrote to. Although some would argue, correctly I think, that he got a lot of things wrong; he also got a lot of things right. So human nature does change. And in such a society, where food may be very short and the tribe next door or even one's neighbors are chomping on that food, threatening one's survival... a totally self centered personality who enjoys killing his enemies, or even non-family members, might have a better chance. Especially if he eats them. If not, he's just a sports hunter bent on proving he is better than his prey. (I remember sitting, listening to a co-worker describe his up-coming trip to Alaska, his hopes of shooting a five point buck and a bear. I asked if he intended to eat them. He said probably not. I am not an animal rights person; but it made me feel a little queezy listening to his smooth voice talking as if he had the absolute right to kill. If these animals are food or threatening your food supply or safety, either directly or because of population density issues; then sure, shoot them! But just for sport? ... That, um... isn't quite right in my book.) -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From creolescience at yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 14:53:10 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Fri Mar 10 14:53:16 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] serial killers Message-ID: <20060310215310.74174.qmail@web36105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have always thought that they in some ways may be "throwbacks" to a time when being a vicious methodical killer meant being a great hunter and warrior. Modern life has few outlets for this natural aggression that we predator humans have except athletics or war. Perhaps personal trauma which nurtures cruelty awakens this dormant seed in these individuals and creates that sociopathic behavior. But all in all I do think alot of them are quite intelligent - not moral or wise, but methodical and cunning. There is nothing that says intelligence is dependant upon the presence of virtue or else the Nazis would not have been a threat. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060310/2ccd3093/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Mar 10 16:42:56 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Mar 10 16:43:55 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] serial killers In-Reply-To: <20060310215310.74174.qmail@web36105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "j s" at Mar 10, 2006 01:53:10 PM Message-ID: <20060310234256.72024.qmail@mall-net.com> > I have always thought that they in some ways may be "throwbacks" to a > time when being a vicious methodical killer meant being a great hunter > and warrior. Modern life has few outlets for this natural aggression > that we predator humans have except athletics or war. Perhaps personal > trauma which nurtures cruelty awakens this dormant seed in these > individuals and creates that sociopathic behavior. Yes. There are plenty of examples of this! In place you would not suspect... > But all in all I do think alot of them are quite intelligent - not > moral or wise, but methodical and cunning. There is nothing that says > intelligence is dependant upon the presence of virtue or else the > Nazis would not have been a threat. There is no question that Hitler was a dangerous psychopath. The interesting question is HOW he became such! There is an interesting site about Hitler, tracing his youth to the time he started exhibiting psychopathic signs and calling himself "Der Fuhrer". Seemed like such a nice, respectable guy till he went nuts. I mean it, he was widely read, could debate scientific topics, etc. in his late teens, early 20's despite rather hard times. What is interesting in the site, is that Hitler starts off as a sane product of his times, is on very good terms with Jews(!), etc. Many of his military officers were Jewish, and they recommended him for several Iron Cross medals for valor, including saving their lives. Hardly what you would expect, given the myths propagated about his "life long hate" for Jews. Later, after mind-numbing participation in World War I trench warfare, and with support from the Military trying to deal with communist marauders, etc., he selects a Rightist party, crafts a bunch of points. With his experience in advertising, broad intellectual background, and the additional propaganda training the military provides him; he starts making speeches to help stop these communist gangs. Now here's where the psycho-pathology comes in! He exhorts his propaganda till he is drenched in sweat, once or twice a week for years. Why is this important? During the cold war, the Chinese and soviet communists used something we call brainwashing as a means of indoctrinating people. They would have to convincingly repeat propaganda under stress. It's like the movie "The Ipress File' Induced Personality Change Restructuring under Extreme Systemic Stress or some such hokey Hollywood acronym. Except that the concept is valid, has been shown to work, etc. The stress of life is enough for the peasant, much higher stress is required for the intellectual to turn and believe; but eventually, most turn. So here's Hitler ferverently expounding the principles of his propaganda, which he marginally believes, making parts of it up as he goes to work the audience. And he sweats under the stress. Fake it till you make it. More like Fake It till It makes you. In this case, a domineering psychopathic fruitcake who believes the hokey propaganda he helped author. At least that is my personal opinion. (Shared by others.) The only difference between Hitler and some of the nut cases I saw in the Dot-Com boom was scale. By the time some of these guys got through five or ten venture capitalist interviews, they were convinced their wad of moly bread was hotter than sliced bread, and everyone and his brother would want to dine on it. That's the power of conviction! And what a conviction we had, as consumers saw what these guys really had... with few exceptions, just moldy old bread crumbs even mice wouldn't touch. It was pathetic what I was seeing on interviews. I could not believe they were asking me to invest what would be most of my income in their "poorly grounded" ideas. (Though yes, I missed out on one killer outfit that DID make it.) Same mechanism -- The True Believer -- only different scale. The site is http://www.smoter.com/ . There is very little opinion on the site, just facts backed up by a lot of references. Took a couple of nights to read through it all. I have no doubt that similar treatments could be done for some of the Dot Com crowd in the financial realm. Or the Jesuits and others in the conquest of the New World. Or the Crusades, for that matter. So maybe yes, that kind of psycho-pathology lurks dormant in most of us; and MOST OF US are SMART ENOUGH not to climb over the wall to "True Believer" land. (This is an occupational hazard for salesmen.) Except... except... that the mad scientist experience is pretty darned close to becoming a true believer. The only difference seems to be in a higher degree of objectivity and willingness to test one's hypothesis, as well as letting others test those hypotheses... Begging them to actually repeat our experiments! Instead of saying "it can't be" and not looking at our experiments and their resulting proof. I mean, remember cold fusion? Lots of people categorically refused to believe the possibility WITHOUT doing the experiments. (Cold fusion is beginning to heat up again.) --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Mar 10 18:00:58 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Fri Mar 10 18:01:12 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] FW: ARLP010 Propagation de K7RA Message-ID: <025f01c644a7$43d975f0$6401a8c0@mikey> -----Original Message----- From: ARRL Web site [mailto:memberlist@www.arrl.org] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:35 PM To: mbest@triad.rr.com Cc: Subscribed ARRL Members: Subject: ARLP010 Propagation de K7RA SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP010 ARLP010 Propagation de K7RA ZCZC AP10 QST de W1AW Propagation Forecast Bulletin 10 ARLP010 >From Tad Cook, K7RA Seattle, WA March 10, 2006 To all radio amateurs SB PROP ARL ARLP010 ARLP010 Propagation de K7RA A big news story this week (big to us, anyway) generated more email than I've ever received. If you were one of the kind folks who sent in an alert about a new prediction for sunspot cycle 24, I'm sorry that I couldn't get back to everyone. A new computer model of solar dynamics produced by scientists at the National Center for Atmospheric Research predicts the next solar cycle to begin a bit later than earlier believed, but to rise much higher, perhaps 30-50% higher than the current solar cycle just ending. Their model claims to predict cycles 16-23 using earlier data with 97% accuracy. I would love to see some dissenting scientific opinion, but of course in my heart I long for another cycle 19 of the 1950s, one that I missed. 50% higher would just about get us there! You can read about the new prediction model at these sites: http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=dn8814 http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=19189 http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/30_50_solar_cycle.html http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/261963_solar07.html http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=19190 http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/03/07/solar.storm.ap/index.html http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=105844. An article with a photo of Dr. Dikpati and members of her team is here: http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2006/sunspot.shtml. Also check out this article from NASA, which claims that the solar minimum is already here, or at least the beginning of it: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/06mar_solarminimum.htm. Regarding current propagation, solar activity is still low, with many days of zero sunspots recently, and even more ahead. The vernal equinox is only a couple of weeks away. This is a good time for HF propagation, even with few sunspots, as the southern and northern hemispheres are equally bathed in the sun's radiation. Friday, March 10 could have unsettled to active geomagnetic conditions, with unsettled conditions on Saturday, quiet to unsettled on Sunday, and quiet on Monday, March 13. Bob Poortinga, K9SQL of Bloomington, Indiana wrote in about his experience on 15 meters last week in the ARRL International DX SSB Contest. He ran 100 watts into a wire antenna (he didn't say if it was a dipole, a rhombic, or a Sterba curtain, but let's assume it was a simple antenna) and worked 44 countries. Bob wrote: ''Highlights included 2 JAs (heard 2 others), Tonga, Ascension Island, and 3 KH6s. Also heard, but did not work, VK6NS and a ZL1 station. Had lots of QSOs to South America, mostly Argentina and Brazil. The Pacific opening lasted about two hours, occurring about 2130-2330 UTC Sunday. The 3 KH6s were worked within 15 minutes of each other and did not hear again''. Bob also likes the BeaconSee software for monitoring NCDXF/IARU beacons. Bob says ''I can't say enough about this program''. Check it out for yourself at http://www.coaa.co.uk/beaconsee.htm. Mark Schreiner, NK8Q of Allentown, Pennsylvania wrote in about how much fun he is having at the bottom of the cycle running QRP, and how great the lower part of the HF spectrum is with so little solar activity. He writes, ''About 1-1/2 hours after local sunrise I heard 3D2NB on 40m on 3/3/06 and once I figured out the QSX I worked him within a matter of a couple of calls. I was amazed to hear a station at such great distance so late after local sunrise! I had worked a Fiji Islands station who was barely copyable by me (so I can't imagine how my signal was for him unless his antenna was something special) early last summer at about 5 AM during the peak of grayline, just before my local sunrise, but to work this station so late after sunrise and with at least an S5 to S7 signal strength at my end, I thought was absolutely amazing! And finally, Warren Ziegler, K2ORS holds broadcaster Jean Shepard's old call. Warren experiments with longwave transmissions on 137.8 KHz. Look at the cool stone tower where he operates his station: http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm. Thanks again to the multitude of hams who wrote in about the story on the next solar cycle, including AI2Q, KB9X, W9DGI, K5SWW, KA7OVQ, WF0P, K9SQL, K2ORS, N5FPW, W5TB, NG1I, K0YQ, W8XKW, NK8Q, WD4DUG, W6AH, K0HZI, AD5FD, W8UI, KC5PJW, K7VV, N7NVP, K0AMZ, N0AX and many others. If you would like to make a comment or have a tip for our readers, email the author at, k7ra@arrl.net. For more information concerning radio propagation and an explanation of the numbers used in this bulletin see the ARRL Technical Information Service propagation page at, http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/propagation.html. An archive of past propagation bulletins is found at, http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/prop/. Sunspot numbers for March 2 through March 8 were 0, 0, 13, 28, 27, 25 and 24 with a mean of 16.7. 10.7 cm flux was 76.1, 75.5, 75, 74.2, 73.6, 74.4, and 72.4, with a mean of 74.5. Estimated planetary A indices were 4, 4, 3, 2, 8, 12 and 4 with a mean of 5.3. Estimated mid-latitude A indices were 4, 2, 1, 1, 8, 6 and 3, with a mean of 3.6. NNNN /EX From thrustmeister at netzero.net Sat Mar 11 06:33:51 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Sat Mar 11 06:35:44 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] What other traits have you seen in intelligent Message-ID: <20060311.053438.21165.609069@webmail13.lax.untd.com> -- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > "Human nature does not change." Or so the saying goes. > I think that's false. I agree. Character can be refined. That's something I do all the time. > (I remember sitting, listening to a co-worker describe his up-coming trip to Alaska, his hopes of shooting a five point buck and a bear. I asked if he intended to eat them. He said probably not. I am not an animal rights person; but it made me feel a little queezy listening to his smooth voice talking as if he had the absolute right to kill. If these animals are food or threatening your food supply or safety, either directly or because of population density issues; then sure, shoot them! But just for sport? ... That, um... isn't quite right in my book.) You're right again. All life is precious. And I especially think that the older and stronger an animal is, the more right it has to continue experiencing it's existance. Jerry From creolescience at yahoo.com Sat Mar 11 16:59:05 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Sat Mar 11 16:59:38 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] life - sacred or convenient? Message-ID: <20060311235905.2803.qmail@web36115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "You're right again. All life is precious. And I especially think that the older and stronger an animal is, the more right it has to continue experiencing it's existance." I'd disagree and say that is a value that we have the luxury of believing in the modern world, where our day to day existence is one without physical struggle against other tribes or predators. If we had to hunt instead of buy it prepackaged then life would seem alot less sacred, as would human life if we were in a constant state of seige. I would also add that if life was so sacred then there would be no predators and all animals would naturally be herbivores. Things would also be much more difficult to kill. Not to be obnoxious with that response but I do think that time and place affect one's values and beliefs. Traits that were considered valuable and desireable in the past are now considered anti-social and destructive. It all seems relative to the time and place. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060311/52fadd3d/attachment.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Sun Mar 12 09:50:12 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Sun Mar 12 09:50:20 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] family walks on all fours Message-ID: <20060312165013.48389.qmail@web36115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ( Don't tell the bible thumpers) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2072832,00.html Walking on all fours with the ancestorsBy Sam Lister FIVE brothers and sisters who can only walk naturally on all fours are being hailed as a unique insight into human evolution, after being found in a remote corner of rural Turkey. Scientists believe that the family may provide invaluable information on how Man evolved from a four-legged hominid to develop the ability to walk on two feet more than three million years ago. NI_MPU('middle'); A genetic abnormality, which may prevent the siblings, aged 18 to 34, from walking upright, has been identified. The discovery of the Kurdish family in southern Turkey last July has triggered a fierce debate. Two daughters and a son have only ever walked on two palms and two feet, with their extended legs, while another daughter and son occasionally manage a form of two-footed walking. The five can stand up, but only for a short time, with both knees and head flexed. Some researchers claim that genetic faults have caused the siblings to regress in a form of ?backward evolution?. Other scientists argue more strongly that their genes have triggered brain damage that has allowed them to develop the unique form of movement. But all agree that the family?s walk, described as a ?bear crawl?, may offer invaluable information on how our ape-like ancestors moved. Rather than walking on their knuckles like gorillas and chimpanzees, the family are ?wrist walkers?, using their palms like heels with their fingers angled up from the ground. Scientists believe this may be the way hominids moved, allowing them to protect their fingers for the more delicate and dextrous manoeuvres so critical in the evolution of Man. Nicholas Humphrey, evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics, who has visited the family, said that the siblings appeared to have reverted to an instinctive form of behaviour encoded deep in the brain, but abandoned in the course of evolution. ?I do not think they were destined to be quadrupeds by their genes, but t heir unique genetic make-up allowed them to be,? Professor Humphrey said. ?It is physically possible, which no one would have guessed from the [modern] human skeleton.? Professor Humphrey, who has been contributing to a BBC programme, The Family that Walks on All Fours, to be broadcast on March 17, said that weeks of study, and factors such as their hands? shape and callouses, showed that this was a long-term pattern of behaviour and not a hoax. ?However they arrived at this point, we have adult human beings walking like ancestors several million years ago,? he said. The siblings, who live with their parents and 13 other brothers and sisters, are mentally retarded, as a result of a form of cerebellar ataxia ? an underdevelopment of the brain. Their mother and father, who are themselves closely related, are believed to have passed down a unique combination of genes resulting in the behaviour. While Professor Humphrey said that cultural influences in their upbringing may have p layed a crucial role, with parental tolerance allowing the children to keep to quadrupedal walking, others believe that the cause is more purely genetic. Uner Tan, a professor of physiology at Cukurova University in Adana, Turkey, who first brought the family to the attention of scientists, argues that the gene mutations have made them regress to a ?missing link? primate state, also explaining their severe problems with language. A team of German geneticists believes that the family holds the key to a breakthrough gene for bipedality. Researchers said that while the women affected, Safiye, 34, Senem, 22, and Amosh, 18, tended to spend their time sitting outside the family?s basic rural home, one brother, Huseyin, 28, went into the local village on all fours, where he could engage in basic interactions. Jemima Harrison, of Passionate Productions, said: ?They walk like animals and that?s very disturbing at first. But we were also very moved by this family?s tremendous warmth and humanity.? --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060312/f69c2c18/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Mar 12 18:25:24 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sun Mar 12 18:25:28 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Shakelight Message-ID: <00fc01c6463d$012ec6f0$6401a8c0@mikey> I bought me a "shakelight" yesterday for $2.50. You know, the Chink-made flashlight with a high-intensity white LED, a rechargeable button cell, a charging circuit, and a solenoid with a sliding permanent magnet. Shake the flashlight to charge the button cell. Batteries alone for my 5-cell Mag-Light cost over twice that. This device, fractured English instructions notwithstanding, is my nomination for "Gadget of the Decade." What has happened to the USA? -Mike From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Mar 12 20:49:06 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Mar 12 20:49:26 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: Shakelight In-Reply-To: <00fc01c6463d$012ec6f0$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Mar 12, 2006 08:25:24 PM Message-ID: <20060313034906.69028.qmail@mall-net.com> > > I bought me a "shakelight" yesterday for $2.50. I tried to call, both numbers just now. Am in. Have just vented the place, one of my electric heaters having started smoking rather badly for unknown reasons. So I was outside, rebuilding a fan, breathing breathable air, etc. in the freezing rain. Oh yes... both pair of pants were in the washing machine, so it was NOT COMFORTABLE in the freezing rain!!! > > You know, the Chink-made flashlight with a high-intensity white LED, a > rechargeable button cell, a charging circuit, and a solenoid with a > sliding permanent magnet. Shake the flashlight to charge the button > cell Yea, right. And how long will it last? My light is an petzl. Fits on the head, 3 AAA batteries, and you can see what you are doing even on a dark foggy night. Or even in a well lit room where the you are standing in the way of the light. > This device, fractured English instructions notwithstanding, is my > nomination for "Gadget of the Decade." > > What has happened to the USA? Americans eat boof! What happened is this. We have entered a state where managers prod engineers to think faster than they can. So things are left off. Also, the same dumb ass managers want to save every penny, so they leave essential features off. Like asking MARKETING people to STUDY the lay of the land to see what PEOPLE ACTUALLY NEED AND WANT. So they try to compete with the Chinks making crap. And the people buy Japanese, because the Japs make stuff that works well, has all the features, and is build tby cheap Koreans to specifications. Meanwhile we are trying to get Indians to design things that they will never have to build. The answer is Tarrifs! And to hell with the European and world trade rules. -JVV- From creolescience at yahoo.com Mon Mar 13 13:48:44 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Mon Mar 13 13:48:49 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] seeing the (flash) light Message-ID: <20060313204845.8583.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "So they try to compete with the Chinks making crap. And the people buy Japanese, because the Japs make stuff that works well, has all the features, and is build tby cheap Koreans to specifications." Um, chinks and Japs? Could we possibly throw in a few more racial epthets while we are at it? Since the Japanese are one of the world's leaders in developing technology and asians consistently do better than American born kids on most test it sounds more like sour grapes than objective commenting. Remember, you don't know the backgrounds of the members here. Jeff ( 1/8 black, 1/8 american Indian) --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060313/7a62d1b0/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Mar 13 15:58:49 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Mar 13 15:58:53 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] seeing the (flash) light In-Reply-To: <20060313204845.8583.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "j s" at Mar 13, 2006 12:48:44 PM Message-ID: <20060313225849.27089.qmail@mall-net.com> > "So they try to compete with the Chinks making crap. And the people buy Japanese, > because the Japs make stuff that works well, has all the features, and > is build tby cheap Koreans to specifications." > > Um, chinks and Japs? Could we possibly throw in a few more racial epthets while we are at it? > Since the Japanese are one of the world's leaders in developing technology and asians consistently do better than American born kids on most test it sounds more like sour grapes than objective commenting. > Remember, you don't know the backgrounds of the members here. Sorry, this was intended to a private party not on the list. A party I'd had a number of discussions with regarding the loss of innovation in America. Taken in perspective, it makes historical sense. I well remember when Made in Japan was Jap Crap, how many of my robot toys, when I pried them open, were made of American beer cans cut and beaten into different shapes. The Japanese have come a long way! They Earned a reputation for precision, starting with Cameras. (Which they used liberally to photograph everything they could touring American Industry. They took our best, and made it better; All while we stood by and did Very Little! We did not strive to produce the best! We don't call it Jap Crap anymore; because it isn't crap anymore. It's Japanese Quality, and often runs rings around our production in instrumentation, automobiles, cameras, etc. While some would be tempted to label Demming a traitor for teaching statistical quality assessment methods to the Japanese; fact is, our industry utterly ignored Demming's methods till after the Japanese beat us. Same for Drucker and others. WE let ourselves down! The Koreans followed that example quite successfully. Today, it's Chink Crap. They have earned that reputation with shoddy goods. I've helped repair some of it incidental to my consulting work. But it's improving -- rapidly! I'm just afraid that with our American management, it won't be long before it will be Precision Chinese Goods and Chinese Quality we look up at in preference to American made goods -- if there are any American made goods! Our industry isn't even trying! They're just exporting the factories to get cheap labor, and will continue to do so till the American Dollar isn't worth crap. (Actually, it isn't worth much anymore. The Chinese have our IOUs.) We Mad Scientists are the ones with the best chance to change this with new inventions and new technologies to give America the edge! > Jeff ( 1/8 black, 1/8 american Indian) So some of your ancestors saw the wave of strange-customed immigrants taking the country over, and bought our technologies of horses and guns. I think history may be repeating itself... --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From thrustmeister at netzero.net Tue Mar 14 04:46:06 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Tue Mar 14 04:46:58 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Shakelight Message-ID: <20060314.034611.13636.631591@webmail50.lax.untd.com> I saw those lights at the store, but didn't buy one. It seems to me that you'd have to shake it a lot of times to get any time of usage. Incidentally, you can do a similar trick on a larger, motorized scale, using a VW engine, or one from a BMW motor cycle. Just remove the crank shaft and connect two opposing pistons with a rod, and place the magnet off center. Each time the magnet passes through the solenoid coil, the motor will generate a pulse. The larger, military version, is called a Pulsar. The outer coil is superconducting, and each time the iron slug (rather than a magnet) passes thru the center, the superconducting field is pulled in thru the secondary winding. One shot from a Pulsar will fire a RailGun, producing the same energy as a bank or 75 large capacitors. -JV -- "Michael Best" wrote: I bought me a "shakelight" yesterday for $2.50. You know, the Chink-made flashlight with a high-intensity white LED, a rechargeable button cell, a charging circuit, and a solenoid with a sliding permanent magnet. Shake the flashlight to charge the button cell. Batteries alone for my 5-cell Mag-Light cost over twice that. This device, fractured English instructions notwithstanding, is my nomination for "Gadget of the Decade." What has happened to the USA? -Mike _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Mar 14 12:48:27 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Mar 14 12:47:48 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Shakelights and shakeups. Message-ID: <002601c647a0$43888e00$6401a8c0@mikey> Actually, it needs very little shaking, because of the LED light source. The LED is so efficient, it requires but a fraction of the energy as a conventional flashlight. And John is right- During WW2, Placket-Burman design charts were classified "TOP SECRET," and kept in vaults. After the war, we rebuilt Japan with the latest teachings of Placket, Deming, Box, and others. Today, names like Takgutchi dominate the field of SPC and DOE. At today's rate of improvement, within five years, the names will be Chen and Wong. While at CIBA-Geigy in the eighties, they spent many thousands of dollars to train me in both SPC and DOE, sending me to Wilmington several times to train with DuPont. In 1993, my position was eliminated. Today, they have no one in the organization in the USA that understands either SPC or DOE, and precious few that are still using the antiquated systems I set up fifteen years ago. I truly need to consult in China! The Chinese WANT to improve quality, while American beancounters only desire to cut costs, quality be damned. Or better yet, take the DuPont courses to them. -MB From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 13:12:03 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Mar 14 13:12:59 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I DON'T HAVE A HOME TO GO TO. Message-ID: <20060314201203.56336.qmail@web50615.mail.yahoo.com> I NEED HELP. I DON'T HAVE A HOME TO GO TO. MOM AND DAD'S HOUSE IS NO LONGER A HOME. IT IS: BROKEN HOME, TO ME. BOBBY, KIM, RANDI, AND MADISON TENNISON HAVE BEEN ORPHANS, AND SO HAVE DANIEL, AND CHRISTOPHER AND CHRISTINA LOFTON. I NEED TO KNOW IF THEY ARE ALL DOING GOOD OR NOT. AMERICA. I DON'T KNOW MUCH OF WHAT TO SAY ABOUT AMERICA. EXCEPT THAT AMERICA IS BROKEN. AND AMERICA NEEDS FIXING. I ALSO NEED FIXING AS WELL. HOME IS WHERE THE HEART IS, FOR EVERYONE. CLYDE LOFTON --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060314/44b1f199/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 13:16:58 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Mar 14 13:17:09 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] I NEED TO PERMANENTLY SEE DR. COLE. Message-ID: <20060314201658.43528.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> I NEED TO PERMANENTLY SEE DR. COLE. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060314/8eb8e1f4/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Mar 14 13:26:34 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Mar 14 13:26:47 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Shakelights and shakeups. In-Reply-To: <002601c647a0$43888e00$6401a8c0@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Mar 14, 2006 02:48:27 PM Message-ID: <20060314202634.96276.qmail@mall-net.com> > And John is right- During WW2, Placket-Burman design charts were > classified "TOP SECRET," and kept in vaults. After the war, we > rebuilt Japan with the latest teachings of Placket, Deming, Box, and > others. I don't think we re-built them as much as provided them with a framework which encouraged entrepreneurialism, as opposed to feudalism. They rebuilt themselves, looking at us as models then beyond us. What is particularly interesting, is that Japan was, and in many ways still is an anti-entrepreneurial culture. "The nail that sticks up will be pounded down." If you are an entrepreneur, you stick up like heck! Long before you become old enough to become such, you will be pounded down over, and over, and over for your individualistic, self-responsible views till you become meek, or jump out of some window, like so many Japanese teens do. It is because of that, that some apartment complexes there have chain link fencing installed OVER the walkway to the door. They don't want someone on the way down to take out someone on the way in. That culture does not like independent people! > Today, names like Takgutchi dominate the field of SPC and DOE. =20 Mike, would you be so kind as to define these terms and provide us with some links so we can learn about these methods? There's supposed to be a method to our madness, and these might be good methods to know. > At today's rate of improvement, within five years, the names will be > Chen and Wong. That's my fear. Until we get universal fabricators/replicators, imports will devastate our economy more and more. > I truly need to consult in China! The Chinese WANT to improve > quality, while American beancounters only desire to cut costs, quality > be damned. Or better yet, take the DuPont courses to them. =20 Mike, is that what you really want to do? Or do you have some sense that America is your homeland, the land that enabled you to be what you became? I dare say you would not have become the Mike we know if you had been born in China. My guess is that you would have either become one of the red guards, or end up purged by them. Probably the latter, if the character of your soul came through at all. Not a very free place under Chairman Mao, as you might recall. This is why I kind of like the USA. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 13:33:34 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Mar 14 13:33:49 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THERE HAS GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY FOR THE FUTURE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Message-ID: <20060314203334.88696.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> THERE HAS GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY FOR THE FUTURE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I DON'T SEE MUCH FUTURE AND HOPE, IF WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY CANNOT GET IT ALL TOGETHER TO MAKE A POSITIVE DIFFERENCE FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF OURSELVES; OUR LIVES, OUR LIFESTYLES, OUR EVERYTHING ETC. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060314/3218aabc/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 14:05:17 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Tue Mar 14 14:05:23 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THERAPY VS. TREATMENT. Message-ID: <20060314210517.26468.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> THERAPY VS. TREATMENT: THERAPY: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapy TREATMENT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment CHIROPRACTIC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060314/50a8c4c2/attachment-0001.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Mar 14 14:32:39 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Mar 14 14:32:02 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Statistical Process Control and Design of Experimentation Message-ID: <003901c647ae$d2afb550$6401a8c0@mikey> SPC- "Statistical Process Control (SPC) is a method of monitoring, controlling and, ideally, improving a process through statistical analysis. Its four basic steps include measuring the process, eliminating variances in the process to make it consistent, monitoring the process, and improving the process to its best target value. Much of the cited material covers how to collect the data necessary to SPC, and what charts might best portray that data. A common obstacle to successful use of SPC is getting bogged down with charts (fishbone, pareto, etc.), forgetting that visual representation of data is but a tool, not an end in itself." http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/hqlibrary/ppm/ppm31.htm Excellent bibliography here A good start on the subject, especially without the heavy math, is _Quality is Free_ by P. Crosby. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0070145121/sr=8-1/qid=1142369125/ref= pd_bbs_1/102-7496642-7919360?%5Fencoding=UTF8 or: http://snipurl.com/nlmd DOE- "In general, every machine used in a production process allows its operators to adjust various settings, affecting the resultant quality of the product manufactured by the machine. Experimentation allows the production engineer to adjust the settings of the machine in a systematic manner and to learn which factors have the greatest impact on the resultant quality. Using this information, the settings can be constantly improved until optimum quality is obtained. To illustrate this reasoning, here are a few examples: Example 1: Dyestuff manufacture. Box and Draper (1987, page 115) report an experiment concerned with the manufacture of certain dyestuff. Quality in this context can be described in terms of a desired (specified) hue and brightness and maximum fabric strength. Moreover, it is important to know what to change in order to produce a different hue and brightness should the consumers' taste change. Put another way, the experimenter would like to identify the factors that affect the brightness, hue, and strength of the final product. In the example described by Box and Draper, there are 6 different factors that are evaluated in a 2**(6-0) design (the 2**(k-p) notation is explained below). The results of the experiment show that the three most important factors determining fabric strength are the Polysulfide index, Time, and Temperature (see Box and Draper, 1987, page 116). One can summarize the expected effect (predicted means) for the variable of interest (i.e., fabric strength in this case) in a so- called cube-plot. This plot shows the expected (predicted) mean fabric strength for the respective low and high settings for each of the three variables (factors)." See: http://www.statsoft.com/textbook/stexdes.html More at: http://www.stat.yale.edu/Courses/1997-98/101/expdes.htm Now I use DOE Fusion Pro from S-Matrix for my work. http://www.smatrix.com/index.html This program is immensely powerful, in trained hands. And it requires significant computing horsepower to do the math. I can hardly imagine the difficulties experienced thirty years ago, when researchers had to run these computations on Big Blue mainframes under TSO, or punchcards and batch mode! When I placed the purchase req for my first PC-based DOE software, the corporate IS department called me in to explain why I couldn't do this work on the System/370, and I needed a $500 PC application. Well, I showed them- I ran a typical five-variable model on the S/370 during business hours; and damn near shut down the order takers! When the VP of IS looked at the cost of the CPU time for that one example, he immediately signed off on the PO! But this methodology built the Atomic Bomb and put man on the moon- with nothing but pencil, paper, and slide rule. SPC with DOE- THIS is the utter beauty of the method- completing the loop. The results from the SPC feed the DOE, which drives the SPC, ad infinitum. Each iteration, and the loop tightens a bit more- until the process is so well understood, and so tightly controlled, that 99.9% of the product is First Quality, and needs no inspection whatsoever! This is the Holy Grail of manufacturing- Three Sigma Quality. The process is done right the first time, every time, without question. That loop is managed by both the product development and quality assurance groups. So it requires close communications between the two, and working intimately together. But the value is astronomical- no reworks, no spoiled goods, problems are identified and corrected before they can impact the production process, and the customer always sees perfection- exactly what he desires to purchase, each and every time without fail. This was Takgutchi's great contribution, and what catapulted Japanese quality to world domination in many industries. It's what allowed Toyota to leave Detroit in the dust, watching Toyota tail lights fade into the distance. Comment- Fortunately, the Japs and the Chinks have other issues that make it unlikely that Japan will share their SPC/DOE tools with China anytime soon. Meanwhile, we Americans continue to make most products the old way, using undocumented immigrants to save labor costs- oh, those are WOP's, With Out Papers. Now if we would just spend a little on using what WE invented, we could once again be the World Leader in manufacturing quality and efficiency. Beancounters long ago realized that they can make their bonuses by dismantling a business faster than it loses its market share. So, for as long as we have beancounters running the economy, and not scientists, mad or otherwise, I fear that the USA's manufacturing base is doomed. -Mike From Vesta111 at aol.com Tue Mar 14 15:43:42 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 14 15:44:05 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Shakelights and shakeups. Message-ID: <2ca.54090c2.3148a11e@aol.com> > What is particularly interesting, is that Japan was, and in many >ways still is an anti-entrepreneurial culture. "The nail that sticks up will be pounded down." If you are an entrepreneur, you stick up like heck! Long before you become old enough to become such, you will be >pounded down over, and over, and over for your individualistic, self-responsible views till you become meek, or jump out of some window, like so many Japanese teens do. It is because of that, that some apartment complexes there have chain link fencing installed OVER the walkway to the door. They don't want someone on the way down to take out >someone on the way in. That culture does not like independent people!<<<<< Interesting---- about 10 years ago while camping with my family we found a lovely Japanese family camping next to us. We all sat back when the kids went to sleep and cracked a few brews in front of the fire. The Male said he ,wife and two girls had come over from Japan for a 5 year ex-change program for doctors at Boson General Hospital. The woman said she also was a doctor in another field from her husband and was not on the exchange program. They had a couple weeks left before they when home to Japan and were leaving their children here with friends. Both man and wife were so sad, they had a huge family at home,the people who had paid to educate them and they had to go home to repay them, not in money I took it ,but by simply being with them. Their children had to stay here they explained because the pressure on children in the schools is so intense that the suicide among children was too high a risk for them as parents to take. So sad, I cannot forget that night. Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060314/9440f3f7/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Mar 14 20:29:19 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Mar 14 20:29:27 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] BREAKING NEWS! IND Phase I trial aborted after all participants fall critically ill Message-ID: <000701c647e0$a5db58e0$6401a8c0@mikey> _The Times_, London, March 15, 2006 (The Ides of March, no less -MB) Drug trial axed after patients poisoned By Sam Lister, Health Correspondent SIX healthy volunteers have been rushed into intensive care after suddenly falling ill while participating in the trial of a new drug. The six men, who were paid volunteers, are understood to have taken an oral preparation of the drug, being developed to treat inflammatory conditions and leukaemia, at a private research facility in Harrow, northwest London. All of the men, who were admitted on Monday night, were suffering from multiple-organ failure at Northwick Park Hospital and two were said to be in a very serious condition. The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) sent out an international alert to regulatory bodies and suspended the Phase 1 trial for the product. It is understood that no one else has taken the drug. An MHRA official said that inspectors would be sent to the Clinical Pharmacology Research Unit, run by the US firm Parexel International. He added that the regulator was also in contact with the North West London Strategic Health Authority, the Department of Health and the Metropolitan Police. The drug was identified last night as TGN 1412, being developed by TeGenero AG, a small German pharmaceutical company. It is thought to be designed primarily as a treatment for rheumatism, but also has potential as a leukaemia medication because treatment of the cancer requires inflammation suppression. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2086563,00.html Et tu, Brute? -MB From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 21:47:06 2006 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Tue Mar 14 21:47:21 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Statistical Process Control and Design of Experimentation In-Reply-To: <003901c647ae$d2afb550$6401a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20060315044706.25732.qmail@web51011.mail.yahoo.com> MB, the material you gave me has helped me in a few ways: 1.) it lets me work on my projects in a more professional manner 2.) after seeing Pippin with my wife, I felt like tossing away all of my projects, and becoming a "normal, everyday" person. I now return to take up my safety goggles and lab coat... Bob --- Michael Best wrote: > SPC- > > "Statistical Process Control (SPC) is a method of > monitoring, > controlling and, ideally, improving a process > through statistical > analysis. Its four basic steps include measuring the > process, > eliminating variances in the process to make it > consistent, monitoring > the process, and improving the process to its best > target value. > > Much of the cited material covers how to collect the > data necessary to > SPC, and what charts might best portray that data. A > common obstacle > to successful use of SPC is getting bogged down with > charts (fishbone, > pareto, etc.), forgetting that visual representation > of data is but a > tool, not an end in itself." > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/hqlibrary/ppm/ppm31.htm > > Excellent bibliography here > > A good start on the subject, especially without the > heavy math, is > _Quality is Free_ by P. Crosby. > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0070145121/sr=8-1/qid=1142369125/ref= > pd_bbs_1/102-7496642-7919360?%5Fencoding=UTF8 > or: http://snipurl.com/nlmd > > > DOE- > > "In general, every machine used in a production > process allows its > operators to adjust various settings, affecting the > resultant quality > of the product manufactured by the machine. > Experimentation allows the > production engineer to adjust the settings of the > machine in a > systematic manner and to learn which factors have > the greatest impact > on the resultant quality. Using this information, > the settings can be > constantly improved until optimum quality is > obtained. To illustrate > this reasoning, here are a few examples: > > Example 1: Dyestuff manufacture. Box and Draper > (1987, page 115) > report an experiment concerned with the manufacture > of certain > dyestuff. Quality in this context can be described > in terms of a > desired (specified) hue and brightness and maximum > fabric strength. > Moreover, it is important to know what to change in > order to produce a > different hue and brightness should the consumers' > taste change. Put > another way, the experimenter would like to identify > the factors that > affect the brightness, hue, and strength of the > final product. In the > example described by Box and Draper, there are 6 > different factors > that are evaluated in a 2**(6-0) design (the > 2**(k-p) notation is > explained below). The results of the experiment show > that the three > most important factors determining fabric strength > are the Polysulfide > index, Time, and Temperature (see Box and Draper, > 1987, page 116). One > can summarize the expected effect (predicted means) > for the variable > of interest (i.e., fabric strength in this case) in > a so- called > cube-plot. This plot shows the expected (predicted) > mean fabric > strength for the respective low and high settings > for each of the > three variables (factors)." > > See: http://www.statsoft.com/textbook/stexdes.html > > More at: > http://www.stat.yale.edu/Courses/1997-98/101/expdes.htm > > Now I use DOE Fusion Pro from S-Matrix for my work. > http://www.smatrix.com/index.html > > This program is immensely powerful, in trained > hands. And it requires > significant computing horsepower to do the math. I > can hardly imagine > the difficulties experienced thirty years ago, when > researchers had to > run these computations on Big Blue mainframes under > TSO, or > punchcards and batch mode! > > When I placed the purchase req for my first PC-based > DOE software, the > corporate IS department called me in to explain why > I couldn't do this > work on the System/370, and I needed a $500 PC > application. Well, I > showed them- I ran a typical five-variable model on > the S/370 during > business hours; and damn near shut down the order > takers! When the VP > of IS looked at the cost of the CPU time for that > one example, he > immediately signed off on the PO! > > But this methodology built the Atomic Bomb and put > man on the moon- > with nothing but pencil, paper, and slide rule. > > > SPC with DOE- > > THIS is the utter beauty of the method- completing > the loop. The > results from the SPC feed the DOE, which drives the > SPC, ad infinitum. > > > Each iteration, and the loop tightens a bit more- > until the process is > so well understood, and so tightly controlled, that > 99.9% of the > product is First Quality, and needs no inspection > whatsoever! This is > the Holy Grail of manufacturing- Three Sigma > Quality. The process is > done right the first time, every time, without > question. > > That loop is managed by both the product development > and quality > assurance groups. So it requires close > communications between the > two, and working intimately together. But the value > is astronomical- > no reworks, no spoiled goods, problems are > identified and corrected > before they can impact the production process, and > the customer always > sees perfection- exactly what he desires to > purchase, each and every > time without fail. > > This was Takgutchi's great contribution, and what > catapulted Japanese > quality to world domination in many industries. > It's what allowed > Toyota to leave Detroit in the dust, watching Toyota > tail lights fade > into the distance. > > > Comment- > > Fortunately, the Japs and the Chinks have other > issues that make it > unlikely that Japan will share their SPC/DOE tools > with China anytime > soon. Meanwhile, we Americans continue to make most > products the old > way, using undocumented immigrants to save labor > costs- oh, those are > WOP's, With Out Papers. > > Now if we would just spend a little on using what WE > invented, we > could once again be the World Leader in > manufacturing quality and > efficiency. > > Beancounters long ago realized that they can make > their bonuses by > dismantling a business faster than it loses its > market share. So, for > as long as we have beancounters running the economy, > and not > scientists, mad or otherwise, I fear that the USA's > manufacturing base > is doomed. > > -Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clydelofton at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 17:33:51 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Wed Mar 15 17:34:00 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MAIN TOPIC: THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. Message-ID: <20060316003352.56216.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> MAIN TOPIC: THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_redistribution http://www.nber.org/digest/aug01/w8198.html http://society.guardian.co.uk/childreninpoverty/story/0,8150,392655,00.html http://www.wicc.org/wick/9804-3.html http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/redistribution RICHARD HEINBERG, AND THE PARTY'S OVER MUSELETTER: http://www.museletter.com/partys-over.html __________________________________________________________________ 1. DRASTIC MORAL REVIVAL. 2. DRASTIC CHANGES IN OUR ENERGY CONSUMPTION, AND IN OUR ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES. 3. DRASTIC MORAL REVIVAL, AND DRASTIC CHANGES IN OUR ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE FROM ONE ANOTHER. 4. INDUSTRIAL, THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, SOCIALIST CESSPOOL TOWNS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND ELSEWHERE. 5. CRIME RATE STATISTICS OF TULSA, AND CRIME RATE STATISTICS OF ALL OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS IN THE UNITED STATES, AND ELSEWHERE AROUND THE WORLD. 6. THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY, AND ITS CRASH COURSE FOR A MASS SCALE CATASTROPHIE. 7. CLEANING UP OUR GRAND LAND, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. FRUSTRATED, SAD, MAD, ANGRY, LOST, AND CONFUSED, ABOUT THE STATE OF AMERICA, ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS, AND ABOUT THE MEDIA, ETC, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060315/e3006e41/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 15 19:39:16 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 19:39:22 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MAIN TOPIC: THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. In-Reply-To: <20060316003352.56216.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Mar 15, 2006 04:33:51 PM Message-ID: <20060316023916.23025.qmail@mall-net.com> > > MAIN TOPIC: THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH: It's been tried already. It does not work. The communists tried it, Al Capone tried it, Hitler tried it, Stalin and Mao relied on it till it ran dry, the hippies tried it, various liberation fronts (and rears) tried it, etc. That's how most of the African Kleptocracies run, or try to till the next band of thieves storms the latest capitol. It never works. All you get is a bunch of gangsters running the show, with another bunch trying to steal the show, usually by violent means. Very low popular support levels, and economics that tend toward the poverty or sub-poverty levels as the locals are afraid to do anything which would improve the value of their property or manufacture anything substantial for sale. Since the wealth of a nation is directly proportional to the efforts of the people to create material goods above and beyond their own consumption... this fear destroys the wealth of the nation beyond even the mishandling of the gangsters trying to run the show. The only way to create wealth, is to create ideas and objects. And that is, by and large, the in the realm of the people, not the government. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From mbest at triad.rr.com Wed Mar 15 23:07:05 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Wed Mar 15 23:07:13 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Igneous rock in a comet??? Message-ID: <012f01c648bf$da8524b0$6401a8c0@mikey> Comet dust reveals a puzzle PAM EASTON Associated Press Space Center, Houston - NASA scientists have a new mystery to solve: How did materials formed by fire end up on the outermost reaches of the solar system, where temperatures are the coldest? The materials were contained in dust samples captured when the robotic Stardust spacecraft flew past the comet Wild 2 in 2004. A 45-kilogram capsule tied to a parachute returned the samples to Earth in January. The samples include minerals such as anorthite, which is made up of calcium, sodium, aluminum and silicate; and diopside, made of calcium magnesium and silicate. Such minerals only form in very high temperatures. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060313.wcomet0313 /BNStory/Science/ or: http://snipurl.com/no44 -MB From thrustmeister at netzero.net Thu Mar 16 07:27:23 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Thu Mar 16 07:29:16 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Future Space Craft Propulsion Systems Message-ID: <20060316.062803.4326.655608@webmail27.lax.untd.com> http://www.angelfire.com/co/rwrwrw/prop01.html This article also has a good run-down on high energy power systems. From thrustmeister at netzero.net Thu Mar 16 07:33:27 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Thu Mar 16 07:35:33 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Dilithium Crystals Message-ID: <20060316.063428.4326.655667@webmail27.lax.untd.com> Here's an easy way to get a couple hundred thousand volts with a battery. http://www.videsignline.com/180205101 But I think that should be "Bi"Lithium. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 07:37:19 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Mar 16 07:37:33 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MAIN TOPIC: THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. In-Reply-To: <20060316023916.23025.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20060316143719.51595.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > MAIN TOPIC: THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH: It's been tried already. It does not work. The communists tried it, Al Capone tried it, Hitler tried it, Stalin and Mao relied on it till it ran dry, the hippies tried it, various liberation fronts (and rears) tried it, etc. That's how most of the African Kleptocracies run, or try to till the next band of thieves storms the latest capitol. It never works. All you get is a bunch of gangsters running the show, with another bunch trying to steal the show, usually by violent means. Very low popular support levels, and economics that tend toward the poverty or sub-poverty levels as the locals are afraid to do anything which would improve the value of their property or manufacture anything substantial for sale. Since the wealth of a nation is directly proportional to the efforts of the people to create material goods above and beyond their own consumption... this fear destroys the wealth of the nation beyond even the mishandling of the gangsters trying to run the show. The only way to create wealth, is to create ideas and objects. And that is, by and large, the in the realm of the people, not the government. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY, EXCEPT THAT I FEAR THE FUTURE, SINCE I CANNOT HAVE TOTAL CONTROL OF MY OWN PERSONAL REALITY, AND I AM ABSOLUTELY DISTRESSED ABOUT THE FUTURE, SINCE I CANNOT HAVE TOTAL CONTROL OF MY OWN PERSONAL REALITY. TULSA OKLAHOMA, AND SURROUNDING DISTRICTS, ALL JUST MAKE ME ABSOLUTELY MISERABLE. THERE IS NO HAPPINESS IN HELL. I AM UNHAPPY IN HELL. I AM SO UNHAPPY, TRYING TO LIVE IN THIS HELL. HELL IS SUCH AN UNHAPPY PLACE TO TRY TO LIVE IN / WITHIN. HELL ON EARTH, IS WHAT TULSA AND SURROUNDING DISTRICTS HAVE BECOME TO ME. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060316/23c12abe/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 07:42:58 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Mar 16 07:44:31 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MAIN TOPIC: THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. In-Reply-To: <20060316023916.23025.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20060316144258.37110.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > MAIN TOPIC: THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH: It's been tried already. It does not work. The communists tried it, Al Capone tried it, Hitler tried it, Stalin and Mao relied on it till it ran dry, the hippies tried it, various liberation fronts (and rears) tried it, etc. That's how most of the African Kleptocracies run, or try to, till the next band of thieves storms the latest capitol. It never works. All you get is a bunch of gangsters running the show, with another bunch trying to steal the show, usually by violent means. Very low popular support levels, and economics that tend toward the poverty or sub-poverty levels as the locals are afraid to do anything which would improve the value of their property or manufacture anything substantial for sale. Since the wealth of a nation is directly proportional to the efforts of the people to create material goods above and beyond their own consumption... this fear destroys the wealth of the nation beyond even the mishandling of the gangsters trying to run the show. The only way to create wealth, is to create ideas and objects. And that is, by and large, the in the realm of the people, not the government. TULSA OKLAHOMA HAS GOT TO BE COMMUNISM AND FASCISM AT THE ABSOLUTE WORST, WITHIN THE BORDERS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THIS PLACE, AND ITS SURROUNDING DISTRICTS MAKE ME INSANELY MISERABLE. I'VE HAD TO BE IN THE HOSPITAL FOR THE PAST WEEK, DUE TO MY STRESS THRESHOLD EXCEEDING WHAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE NORMAL. TULSA OKLAHOMA AND ALL SURROUNDING DISTRICTS ARE IN SERIOUS AND HONEST NEED OF FAIR AND CLEAN GOVERNMENT ABSOLUTELY..! CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060316/e7343f10/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 07:54:04 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Mar 16 07:54:10 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Dilithium Crystals. In-Reply-To: <20060316.063428.4326.655667@webmail27.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <20060316145404.37359.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> "thrustmeister@netzero.net" wrote: Here's an easy way to get a couple hundred thousand volts with a battery. http://www.videsignline.com/180205101 ABSOLUTELY COOL MAN! But I think that should be "Bi"Lithium. IF I AM CORRECT, WHICH I MAY NOT BE; THEN BI AND DI WOULD MEAN THE EXACT SAME THING; THAT BOTH BI AND DI ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE NUMBER TWO. I COULD BE WRONG. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060316/dbc0b4c0/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 07:55:43 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Mar 16 07:55:48 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Future Space Craft Propulsion Systems In-Reply-To: <20060316.062803.4326.655608@webmail27.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <20060316145543.99162.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> "thrustmeister@netzero.net" wrote: http://www.angelfire.com/co/rwrwrw/prop01.html This article also has a good run-down on high energy power systems. RIGHT ON! A VERY VERY COOL WEBSITE. THANKS FOR SHARING IT. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060316/040c0807/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 08:19:47 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Mar 16 08:19:53 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Igneous rock in a comet??? In-Reply-To: <012f01c648bf$da8524b0$6401a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20060316151948.55125.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Michael Best < mbest@triad.rr.com > wrote: Comet dust reveals a puzzle PAM EASTON Associated Press Space Center, Houston - NASA scientists have a new mystery to solve: How did materials formed by fire end up on the outermost reaches of the solar system, where temperatures are the coldest? SEEMS THAT THERE ARE MORE TO THE MYSTERIES OF OUTER SPACE THAN WE ARE LED TO THINK AND BELIEVE BY THE MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS OF CONVENTION CRAP! SPACE IS ALSO THOUGHT TO BE SUPER AND HYPER HIGH VOLTAGE ELECTRICALLY ACTIVE AS WELL; A LIMITLESS SEA OF ELECTROMOTIVE ENERGY AND POWER. I'VE BEEN TAKING LIFE TOO FAST. I'VE GIVEN MYSELF HEART ATTACKS AND HEART FAILURES FOR MOVING FAR TOO FAST [FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET THROUGH SPACE AND TIME]; BECAUSE I'M ME, I OUTTA KNOW; THE STRESS THAT LIFE HAS PUT ME THROUGH HAS BEEN NEARLY UNBEARABLE, AND I'VE GOTTA TAKE LIFE A LOT MORE SLOWER THAN I HAVE BEEN TAKING IT. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060316/a6f2f90e/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 08:59:45 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Thu Mar 16 08:59:50 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MAIN TOPIC: THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. In-Reply-To: <20060316144258.37110.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060316155945.52835.qmail@web50615.mail.yahoo.com> clyde lofton wrote: javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > MAIN TOPIC: THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH: It's been tried already. It does not work. THE MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT IS AS ABSOLUTELY DYSFUNCTIONAL AS THE PATIENTS THAT IT TRIES TO MAINTAIN AND KEEP. THIS IS FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE EXPERIENCE THAT I GAINED THIS PAST WEEK AT THE HOSPITAL. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060316/856989ba/attachment.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 14:25:10 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Thu Mar 16 14:25:42 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] 'DNA': Double Helix Spotted in Space Message-ID: <20060316212515.87587.qmail@web36114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cosmic 'DNA': Double Helix Spotted in Space Bjorn Carey SPACE.com Staff Writer SPACE.comWed Mar 15, 3:00 PM ET Magnetic forces at the center of the galaxy have twisted a nebula into the shape of DNA, a new study reveals. The double helix shape is commonly seen inside living organisms, but this is the first time it has been observed in the cosmos. "Nobody has ever seen anything like that before in the cosmic realm," said the study's lead author Mark Morris of UCLA. "Most nebulae are either spiral galaxies full of stars or formless amorphous conglomerations of dust and gas?space weather. What we see indicates a high degree of order." These observations, made with NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope, are detailed in the March 16 issue of the journal Nature. Disk-driven shape The DNA nebula is about 80 light-years long. It's about 300 light-years from the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way. The nebula is nearly perpendicular to the black hole, moving out of the galaxy at a quick clip?about 620 miles per second (1,000 kilometers per second). Magnetic field lines at the galactic center are about 1,000 times stronger than on Earth. They run perpendicular to the black hole, but parallel through the nebula. Scientists think that twisting of these lines is what causes the double helix shape. While the black hole might be the first culprit to come to mind, it's more likely that the magnetic field lines are anchored to a giant gas disk that orbits the black hole several light-years away, researchers say. It's like having two strands of rope connected to a fixed point, Morris said. As you spin the strands, they braid around each other in a double helix fashion. In this case the gas and dust of the nebula makes up the strands. "It's as if there's a bar across the middle [of the black hole], or a dumbbell shape, where the strands are anchored, and as it spins around, it twists the strands together," Morris told SPACE.com. This process takes a long time, though, since the disk completes one orbit around the black hole roughly every 10,000 years. But that's an important number. "Once every 10,000 years is exactly what we need to explain the twisting of the magnetic field lines that we see in the double helix nebula," Morris said. The recipe The recipe for a DNA nebula is strict but simple. It requires a strong magnetic field, a rotating body, and a nebulous cloud of material positioned just right. Massive central black holes are the best sources for both the strong magnetic field and rotating body, and since most large galaxies have them, Morris expects DNA-like nebula may be common through out the universe. "I absolutely expect to see [this configuration] in gas-rich galaxies with all these elements in place," Morris said. However, these nebulas are tough to spot, and current technology limits scientists' observations to our galaxy. See Also: The Helix Nebula Nebulas: The Best of Your Amazing Images Planetary Nebulas and Other Great Hubble Image DNA Art: Origami Goes Nano Visit SPACE.com for more space-related news including videos, launch coverage and interactive experiences. Explore our huge collection of Image Galleries, view our Image of the Day and Amazing Images. Follow the latest developments in the search for life in our universe in our SETI: Search for Life section. 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Message-ID: <20060317051235.5437.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> FOUR OF SOME OF THE MOST INNOVATIVE AUTOMOBILES IN HUMAN HISTORY: THE MODEL T FORD: http://history.acusd.edu/gen/USPics/ford/modelT.jpg THE TUCKER: http://www.iol.ie/~donohoer/Tucker_Torpedo_Yat_Ming_front_quarter2.jpg THE DELOREAN: http://www.delorean.ch/files/Pictures/DeLorean.jpg THE LOTUS ESPRIT: http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-jkl/Lotus-Esprit-350-Sport.jpg --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060316/b8e48fe6/attachment.html From thrustmeister at netzero.net Fri Mar 17 03:26:06 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Fri Mar 17 03:28:31 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Dilithium Crystals. Message-ID: <20060317.022649.1587.668749@webmail05.lax.untd.com> Clyde wrote: IF I AM CORRECT, WHICH I MAY NOT BE; THEN BI AND DI WOULD MEAN THE EXACT SAME THING; THAT BOTH BI AND DI ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE NUMBER TWO. I COULD BE WRONG. Yes, they both mean two. However, BI would mean two crystals, while DI refers to two lithiums, or two types of lithium, in the same crystal. Jerry From thrustmeister at netzero.net Fri Mar 17 03:35:21 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Fri Mar 17 03:37:31 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] 'DNA': Double Helix Spotted in Space Message-ID: <20060317.023551.1587.668754@webmail05.lax.untd.com> I think their assesment of the cause of this phenomenom is correct. Jerry From thrustmeister at netzero.net Fri Mar 17 03:43:37 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Fri Mar 17 03:45:32 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] FOUR OF SOME OF THE MOST INNOVATIVE AUTOMOBILES I N HUMAN HISTORY. Message-ID: <20060317.024354.1587.668765@webmail05.lax.untd.com> What we need now is a lightweight, non aerodynamic flying vehicle. Aerodynamic forces require too much energy, resulting in a low mass to HP ratio. http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/469/1/Naudin%26%2339%3Bs-GFS-Coanda-Saucer-Replication Clyde wrote: FOUR OF SOME OF THE MOST INNOVATIVE AUTOMOBILES IN HUMAN HISTORY: THE MODEL T FORD: http://history.acusd.edu/gen/USPics/ford/modelT.jpg THE TUCKER: http://www.iol.ie/~donohoer/Tucker_Torpedo_Yat_Ming_front_quarter2.jpg THE DELOREAN: http://www.delorean.ch/files/Pictures/DeLorean.jpg THE LOTUS ESPRIT: http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-jkl/Lotus-Esprit-350-Sport.jpg From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 15:49:09 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Mar 17 15:49:27 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] FOUR OF SOME OF THE MOST INNOVATIVE AUTOMOBILES I N HUMAN HISTORY. In-Reply-To: <20060317.024354.1587.668765@webmail05.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <20060317224909.52249.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> "thrustmeister@netzero.net" wrote: What we need now is a lightweight, non aerodynamic flying vehicle. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT NON AERODYNAMIC VEHICLES WOULD ACTUALLY BE SUPERIOR IN FLIGHT IN COMPARISON TO AERODYNAMIC. Aerodynamic forces require too much energy, resulting in a low mass to HP ratio. OK. CLYDE http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/469/1/Naudin%26%2339%3Bs-GFS-Coanda-Saucer-Replication Clyde wrote: FOUR OF SOME OF THE MOST INNOVATIVE AUTOMOBILES IN HUMAN HISTORY: THE MODEL T FORD: http://history.acusd.edu/gen/USPics/ford/modelT.jpg THE TUCKER: http://www.iol.ie/~donohoer/Tucker_Torpedo_Yat_Ming_front_quarter2.jpg THE DELOREAN: http://www.delorean.ch/files/Pictures/DeLorean.jpg THE LOTUS ESPRIT: http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-jkl/Lotus-Esprit-350-Sport.jpg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060317/acebc6c3/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Mar 17 16:31:07 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Mar 17 16:31:21 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] FOUR OF SOME OF THE MOST INNOVATIVE AUTOMOBILES In-Reply-To: <20060317224909.52249.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> from "clyde lofton" at Mar 17, 2006 02:49:09 PM Message-ID: <20060317233107.92983.qmail@mall-net.com> > What we need now is a lightweight, non aerodynamic flying vehicle. > > I DIDN'T KNOW THAT NON AERODYNAMIC VEHICLES WOULD > ACTUALLY BE SUPERIOR IN FLIGHT IN COMPARISON TO > AERODYNAMIC. > > Aerodynamic forces require too much energy, resulting in a low mass to HP ratio. > > OK. I have my doubts! When you are talking about hydraulics, cable suspension systems, etc.; then sure, static systems are far better to position and HOLD something. When you are talking dynamic levitation, then you are talking burning energy to maintain it. The thing that really burns energy in aerodynamics, is the greed for speed. Aerodynamic drag rises far faster than the speed. Everyone wants to get there faster, so we pour on the energy to fight aerodynamic drag. If we used slower aircraft, we'd burn less energy. And when you talk Mil aircraft... Fighter Jets, that's all speed! All you have is engines, fuel tanks, and some strap-ons. They are little more than flying fuel tanks. If you want to break the sound barrier, shove those air molecules out of your way faster than they want to go, you have to pay for it, and it ain't cheap! --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 17:37:00 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Mar 17 17:37:54 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] 1: REAL ESTATE. 2: PHARMACOLOGY. Message-ID: <20060318003700.32143.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> 1: REAL ESTATE. 2: PHARMACOLOGY. QUESTION: LAND TAXES; PEOPLE LIVING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER; A PAVED PLANET; DRUG OVERDOSED AMERICA; OVER ORDINANCED AMERICA; OVER TAXED AMERICA; BEYOND REASON, AND WITHOUT REPRESENTATION; TOTALITARIAN MEDIA; TOTALITARIAN GOVERNMENT; TOTALITARIAN BANKING; TOTALITARIAN MEDIKAL; HOW DO WE THE PEOPLE GET PERMANENT RELIEF FROM IT ALL? I AM SICK OF THE MEDIA; THOUGH I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE SICK OF ME, BUT I AM SICK OF THEM, AND I HAVE TRIED TO BE AS RESPECTFUL AS I CAN, TO THEM AS I CAN BE; BUT THEY HAVE TOTALLY SCREWED AMERICA UP. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060317/fac1a416/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 19:47:28 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Mar 17 19:47:37 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TELEPORTATION "AND RELATIVE TOPICS". Message-ID: <20060318024728.14308.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> SEARCH TOPIC: TELEPORTATION EXPERIMENTS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleportation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomalous_phenomena http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism INTERNATIONAL GHOST HUNTERS SOCIETY: http://www.ghostweb.com GHOSTHUNTER STORE: http://ghosthunterstore.com/ OCTAGON: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octagon WATER STRUCTURE AND BEHAVIOR: http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/ POLYMER LIQUID CRYSTALS, AND QUAZICRYSTAL POLYMERS: http://www.icq9.ameslab.gov/AbstractsbyTopic.html SEARCH TOPIC: LEVITATING FROG: http://www.hfml.sci.kun.nl/froglev.html http://www.hfml.sci.kun.nl/whyfrogs.html http://www.hfml.sci.kun.nl/levitation-movies.html http://www.hfml.kun.nl/levitate.html SEARCH TOPIC: LEVITATION MELTING: http://www.ma.ic.ac.uk/~ajm8/lev.html http://www.ameritherm.com/overview_levitation.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/3075/maglev.html http://www.gre.ac.uk/~K.Pericleous/research/GR-L97483.html SEARCH TOPIC: INDUCTION HEATING: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_heating http://www.radyne.com/faqs.htm http://www.ameritherm.com/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060317/4eccd961/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 20:01:27 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Mar 17 20:01:32 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] FOUR OF SOME OF THE MOST INNOVATIVE AUTOMOBILES In-Reply-To: <20060317233107.92983.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20060318030127.90626.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > What we need now is a lightweight, non aerodynamic flying vehicle. > > I DIDN'T KNOW THAT NON AERODYNAMIC VEHICLES WOULD > ACTUALLY BE SUPERIOR IN FLIGHT IN COMPARISON TO > AERODYNAMIC. > > Aerodynamic forces require too much energy, resulting in a low mass to HP ratio. > > OK. I have my doubts! When you are talking about hydraulics, cable suspension systems, etc.; then sure, static systems are far better to position and HOLD something. YES; When you are talking dynamic levitation, then you are talking burning energy to maintain it. The thing that really burns energy in aerodynamics, is the greed for speed. Aerodynamic drag rises far faster than the speed. Everyone wants to get there faster, so we pour on the energy to fight aerodynamic drag. If we used slower aircraft, we'd burn less energy. And when you talk Mil aircraft... Fighter Jets, that's all speed! All you have is engines, fuel tanks, and some strap-ons. They are little more than flying fuel tanks. If you want to break the sound barrier, shove those air molecules out of your way faster than they want to go, you have to pay for it, and it ain't cheap! YES. Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. SORT OF IN REGARDS TO YOUR ABOVE TYPINGS: I FEEL AS THOUGH THE PRESCRIPTION DRUG ZYPREXA HAS GIVEN ME DIABETES; AND THE MEDIKAL PRACTITIONERS HAVE NOT BEEN HONEST WITH THE RESULTS OF THE BLOOD TESTS THAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR ME. THE MEDIKAL ESTABLISHMENT IS BOTH DYSFUNCTIONAL AND DISHONEST..! MY GRANDMOTHER DID NOT TRUST DOCTORS OF THE MEDIKAL ESTABLISHMENT, AND NEITHER DO I..! I HATE THE MEDIKAL ESTABLISHMENT..! CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060317/3ef7c0e7/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 22:21:45 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Mar 17 22:21:53 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Y.M.C.A., Y.W.C.A, AND THERAPY. In-Reply-To: <20060119114032.39111.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318052145.38906.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Y.M.C.A., Y.W.C.A, AND THERAPY: CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY: 1. http://www.lsiinternational.com/catalog/PDF/Q400%20Manual.pdf 2. http://www.lsiinternational.com/catalog/PDF/Q400%20Manual.pdf#search='LSI%20Quantum%20International%20%20Intersegmental%20traction%20tables Y.M.C.A. : http://www.ymca.net/ Y.W.C.A. : http://www.ywca.org/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060317/7563d214/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 22:24:37 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Mar 17 22:24:45 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] HOTEL, MOTEL, + THERAPY..! In-Reply-To: <20060119114032.39111.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318052437.64584.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> HOTEL, MOTEL, + THERAPY..! CHIROPRACTIC INTERSEGMENTAL TRACTION TABLE TECHNOLOGY: 1. http://www.lsiinternational.com/catalog/PDF/Q400%20Manual.pdf 2. http://www.lsiinternational.com/catalog/PDF/Q400%20Manual.pdf#search='LSI%20Quantum%20International%20%20Intersegmental%20traction%20tables HOTEL: 1. http://marriott.com/default.mi MOTEL: 1. http://www.motel6.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060317/f5b33502/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 22:52:47 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Mar 17 22:52:58 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MEDIKAL MALPRACTICE. Message-ID: <20060318055247.91398.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> MEDIKAL MALPRACTICE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_malpractice http://www.civilrights.com/medical.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060317/f05a90fc/attachment.html From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 23:04:33 2006 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Fri Mar 17 23:04:50 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MEDIKAL MALPRACTICE. In-Reply-To: <20060318055247.91398.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318060433.51347.qmail@web51012.mail.yahoo.com> Clyde, [flame mode = ON] ENOUGH ALREADY!!! 1.) if you hate tulsa, then move out of tulsa! 2.) if you don't like the side effects of your meds, then look into either amelioratives, or look into getting your meds changed! 3.) how about we drop the daily what's-wrong-with-clyde-today, and go back to mad science. I will start the ball rolling: 1.) I am building bookcases out of cardboard, to prove strength of materials 2.) I'm building some crystal radios, so I can check power levels. Bob --- clyde lofton wrote: > > MEDIKAL MALPRACTICE: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_malpractice > > http://www.civilrights.com/medical.html > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.> _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 23:46:14 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Mar 17 23:46:19 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MEDIKAL MALPRACTICE. In-Reply-To: <20060318060433.51347.qmail@web51012.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318064614.67956.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Robert Juliano wrote: Clyde, [flame mode = ON] ENOUGH ALREADY!!! ENOUGH..! 1.) if you hate tulsa, then move out of tulsa! I DIDN'T MAKE A DIRECT COMPLAINT ABOUT TULSA..! 2.) if you don't like the side effects of your meds, then look into either amelioratives, I WILL LOOK INTO AMELIORATIVES; THANK YOU FOR THE SUGGESTION..! or look into getting your meds changed! MEDS: PRESCRIPTION DRUGS: SNAKE OILS..! 3.) how about we drop the daily what's-wrong-with-clyde-today, and go back to mad science. YES; KEEP THE MAD SCIENCE ROLLING. I AM NOT HOLDING YOU ALL BACK FROM TYPING WHAT YOU WANT TO TYPE; SO KEEP ON GOING..! AND I DON'T NEED REPLIES TO CERTAIN E-MAILS THAT I POST EITHER. THOUGH I DO NEED A PUNCHING BAG..! I will start the ball rolling: 1.) I am building bookcases out of cardboard, to prove strength of materials. CARDBOARD. I PURCHASED A $200.00 HON BRAND, CHEAP CHINESE CRAP METAL BOOKCASE. ABSOLUTE CRAP..! A TOTAL WASTE OF MY MONEY..! I WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF IF I WOULD HAVE JUST BUILT BOOKCASES OUT OF HIGH INTEGRITY CONSTRUCTION OF MY OWN DESIGN..! 2.) I'm building some crystal radios, so I can check power levels. POWER LEVELS OF WHAT SPECIFICALLY? BACK TO THE TOPIC OF RESOURCES........ Bob CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060317/83424782/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 23:54:09 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Mar 17 23:54:19 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] MEDIKAL MALPRACTICE. In-Reply-To: <20060318060433.51347.qmail@web51012.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318065409.72167.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> Robert Juliano < rhjuliano@yahoo.com > wrote: Clyde, [flame mode = ON] SPEAKING OF FLAME MODE..! I HAVE ZERO NEED FOR FIRE. WATER WILL DO JUST FINE..! I DIDN'T POST THOSE LAST TWO POSTINGS, RELATIVE TO IMMORAL NATURE..! I POSTED THEM BECAUSE I AM SICK AS SICK CAN BE OF THE KOMMUNIST LEFT WING POLITICS OF THIS F'D UP KOUNTRY, AND SICK AS SICK CAN BE OF THE NAZI FASCIST RIGHT WING POLITICS OF THE RIGHT WING OF THIS F'D UP KOUNTRY..! THERE HAS GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS SCREWED COUNTRY. ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE A WATER HOSE..? IT IS TIME TO FIREHOSE BLAST WITH JET WATER, EVERY MAINSTREAM MEDIA BROADCAST TOWER IN THE TULSA AREA RADIO AND TELEVISION MARKET..! F' THE MEDIA..! ..! ..! AND F' YOU TOO, IF YOU DISAGREE..! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060317/5ca042a1/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 23:57:51 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Mar 17 23:57:59 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] KEEP ON GOING..! Message-ID: <20060318065751.32998.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> KEEP ON GOING..! I AM NOT HOLDING ANYONE BACK. GO. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060317/ad298aa0/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Mar 18 00:03:51 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Mar 18 00:03:58 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Corrugated Strength In-Reply-To: <20060318060433.51347.qmail@web51012.mail.yahoo.com> from "Robert Juliano" at Mar 17, 2006 10:04:33 PM Message-ID: <20060318070351.46665.qmail@mall-net.com> > [flame mode = ON] > ENOUGH ALREADY!!! (Aside to Clyde: I think they make a valid point, You are responsible for your own life. If you want to be a mad scientist, you need to be scientific in your madness. Else we'll push to have you de-listed and say you're just mad and making us madder.) > 1.) I am building bookcases out of cardboard, to prove > strength of materials Many years ago, I read that one of the cardboard manufacturers had designed an inexpensive house and furniture out of cardboard. The downside was that it had an estimated four year life span, and that most building codes would prevent adoption. One other problem with these is the use of fungicides. There are many other innovative housing projects. The one that I most liked was taking four 40 foot cargo containers and stacking them so the second story was between the two on the first story, thus making a large atrium, etc. I think this type of construction would have done quite nicely for those in New Orleans, allowing them to build the core of decent permanent structures in days. Interesting index of container home designs: http://www.fabprefab.com/fabfiles/containerbayhome.htm Being out here where labor is hard to find (most of it being drunk) and building codes being somewhat less enforced (complaint based only), and locations subject to sale, fast cheap designs like these are quite interesting to me. > 2.) I'm building some crystal radios, so I can check > power levels. Could you provide some more information on this on another thread? --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From rhjuliano at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 00:11:23 2006 From: rhjuliano at yahoo.com (Robert Juliano) Date: Sat Mar 18 00:11:28 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Corrugated Strength In-Reply-To: <20060318070351.46665.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20060318071123.80716.qmail@web51010.mail.yahoo.com> Javilk, I will start a new thread for the crystal radio experiments, and continue this thread in re the cardboard projects. Bob --- javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > > [flame mode = ON] > > ENOUGH ALREADY!!! > > (Aside to Clyde: I think they make a valid > point, You are > responsible for your own life. If you want to be a > mad scientist, you > need to be scientific in your madness. Else we'll > push to have you > de-listed and say you're just mad and making us > madder.) > > > 1.) I am building bookcases out of cardboard, to > prove > > strength of materials > > Many years ago, I read that one of the > cardboard manufacturers had > designed an inexpensive house and furniture out of > cardboard. The > downside was that it had an estimated four year life > span, and that most > building codes would prevent adoption. One other > problem with these is > the use of fungicides. > > There are many other innovative housing > projects. The one that I > most liked was taking four 40 foot cargo containers > and stacking them so > the second story was between the two on the first > story, thus making a > large atrium, etc. I think this type of > construction would have done > quite nicely for those in New Orleans, allowing them > to build the core > of decent permanent structures in days. > > Interesting index of container home designs: > http://www.fabprefab.com/fabfiles/containerbayhome.htm > > Being out here where labor is hard to find > (most of it being drunk) > and building codes being somewhat less enforced > (complaint based only), > and locations subject to sale, fast cheap designs > like these are quite > interesting to me. > > > 2.) I'm building some crystal radios, so I can > check > > power levels. > > Could you provide some more information on this > on another thread? > > --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- > Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. > > Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. > ------------------------------------------------------- > Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void > where > prohibited by law. Not available in all mental > states. > ------------------------------------------------------- > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. > Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com > Copyright retained. All rights reserved. > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 00:23:23 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 00:23:30 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] BROADBAND OVER POWERLINES CARRIER CURRENT ESPIONAGE TECHNOLOGY..! Message-ID: <20060318072323.49885.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> WIKIPEDIA: BROADBAND OVER POWERLINES CARRIER CURRENT ESPIONAGE TECHNOLOGY: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_over_Power_Lines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_current FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION ARTICLE ON BROADBAND OVER POWERLINES CARRIER CURRENT ESPIONAGE TECHNOLOGY: http://home.comcast.net/~gbox/fcc.doc.doc --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/262a448e/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 00:29:11 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 00:29:16 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20060318065409.72167.qmail@web50612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318072911.77423.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> I REPEAT: IT IS TIME TO FIREHOSE BLAST WITH JET WATER, EVERY MAINSTREAM MEDIA BROADCAST RADIO AND TELEVISION TOWER IN THE TULSA AREA RADIO AND TELEVISION MARKET..! DO NOT REPLY TO THIS POSTING..! AND IT IS ALSO TIME FOR AMERICA TO RETURN TO A CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT ONCE AGAIN, BEFORE THIS F'D UP COUNTRY GOES UP IN NUCLEAR SMOKE BY TERRORISTS AND THE NAZI BURNING BUSHES AND THE BURNING COMMIE CLINTONS..! CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/5eda6108/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 00:42:04 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 00:42:10 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Corrugated Strength In-Reply-To: <20060318070351.46665.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <20060318074204.30359.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> javilk@mall-net.com wrote: > [flame mode = ON] I APOLOGIZE: THOUGH THERE IS NO FLAME MODE NECCESSARY..! I NEED A FIRE FIGHTER'S WATERJET HOSE, AND THE TULSA FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE THERE TO BACK ME UP..! THE RIGHT WING MEDIAS AND THE LEFT WING MEDIAS ARE IN NEED OF EVERY ONE OF THEIR RADIO TOWERS AND TRANSMITTER BUILDINGS BEING JET BLASTED WITH WATER, TO EXTIGUISH THE HOMOSEXUAL S--T ON BOTH SIDES OF THE COMMIE AND NAZI DIVIDE THAT HAS BEEN THE CURSE OVER THIS DIVIDED AND SCREWED UP COUNTRY..! I REJECT HOMOSEXUALITY..! I EMBRACE ANTISEXUALITY..! I F'ING HATE THE MEDIA..! I NEVER WANTED TO BE A PART OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ANYWAY..! ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS TO HAVE MY OWN PUBLIC SERVICE L.P.F.M. BROADCAST STATION, AND STATIONS, UTILIZING TALKING CLOCK TECHNOLOGY WITH AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY. BUT WHEN THIS CURSED COUNTRY IS ABSOLUTELY SOLD OUT TO COMMUNIST CHINA, AND ABSOLUTELY SOLD OUT TO THE MIDDLE EAST, AND THE ECONOMY IN THE ABSOLUTE DEEPEST OF THE PITS OF F'ING HELL........................ > ENOUGH ALREADY!!! Aside to Clyde: I think they make a valid point, You are responsible for your own life. If you want to be a mad scientist, you need to be scientific in your madness. Else we'll push to have you de-listed and say you're just mad and making us madder. I AM MADDER THAN A G' D'D' HATTER..! IF AMERICA WANTS TO BE NUCLEAR BOMBED BY ITS OWN NAZI BUSH ADMINISTRATION WITH THE TERRORISTS, AND THE CLINTON COMMUNISTS, I JUST DON'T CARE. LET IT BE. JUST GIVE ME AN OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE, AND ALLOW ME TO START DIGGING MY OWN GRAVE, OUT IN THE BOONDOCKS..! LATER, CLYDE --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/34060b6a/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 00:48:02 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 00:48:09 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] KEEP ON GOING..! In-Reply-To: <20060318065751.32998.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318074802.83169.qmail@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> KEEP ON GOING..! I AM NOT HOLDING ANYONE BACK. GO. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/11e8ba4a/attachment.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 00:52:53 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Sat Mar 18 00:53:14 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] flying cars Message-ID: <20060318075253.74003.qmail@web36109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think we'll never see flying commuter transportation in our lifetime. People can't even safely operate a vehicle on the ground - could you imagine the chaos and damage caused by mid-air collisions?! When they crash they have to land somewhere, like maybe your house while you are sleeping. Besides it's wasteful to have a vehicle overcome gravity. Perhaps a hovercraft or maglev type vehicle but to basically have rocket powered cars would be extremely wasteful and even more destructive to the environment. I think efficient hybrid/solar cars are the best alternative in the future. And remember the article I put up about how the Japanese made gasoline from cow manure? Well India already is getting all the jobs, all the tech and has nukes. With their abundance of cow dung they could be the next superpower! --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/228a6911/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 00:53:56 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 00:54:01 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] REVISED: In-Reply-To: <20060318074204.30359.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318075356.33294.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> REVISED: I NEVER WANTED TO BE A PART OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ANYWAY..! ALL THAT I WANTED TO DO WAS TO HAVE MY OWN PUBLIC SERVICE L.P.F.M. BROADCAST STATION, AND STATIONS, UTILIZING AMERICAN MADE QUALITY TALKING CLOCK TECHNOLOGY. BUT WHEN THIS CURSED COUNTRY IS ABSOLUTELY SOLD OUT TO COMMUNIST CHINA, AND ABSOLUTELY SOLD OUT TO THE MIDDLE EAST, AND THE ECONOMY IN THE ABSOLUTE DEEPEST OF THE DEEPEST OF THE PITS OF F'ING G' D' D' HELL WHAT CAN BE DONE; MY BACK IS AGAINST THE WALL..! WITH NO HOPE OF LEAVING THIS PRISON INSANE NONSENSE TOWN OF TULSA OKLAHOMA; IGOR: YOU CAN REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO NOW; WITH ZERO PROGRESS IN SIGHT; CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/844c619b/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 01:08:01 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 01:08:05 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] flying cars In-Reply-To: <20060318075253.74003.qmail@web36109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318080801.55887.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> j s wrote: I think we'll never see flying commuter transportation in our lifetime. YEAH; SAD BUT TRUE; UNLESS SUCH VEHICLES ARE OPERATED LIKE A CAB SERVICE, ONLY OPERABLE BY FLIGHT TRAINED LICENCED PILOT/OPERATORS. People can't even safely operate a vehicle on the ground - could you imagine the chaos and damage caused by mid-air collisions?! YES. When they crash they have to land somewhere, like maybe your house while you are sleeping. YES; THE ROOF IS A NICE PLACE TO CRASH THROUGH; OR MAYBE AN ENIRE ROW OF MIDDLE CLASS PAPER WALL AND CHEAP BRICK WALL HOUSES. Besides it's wasteful to have a vehicle overcome gravity. MAYBE; BUT NOT NECCESSARILY; IF THE ALTERNATIVE GYROSCOPIC PROPULSIVE WAYS AND MEANS ARE USED. Perhaps a hovercraft or maglev type vehicle but to basically have rocket powered cars would be extremely wasteful and even more destructive to the environment. OK; MAYBE; THOUGH ARGUING ABOUT IT HERE, DOES NO GOOD, TOWARD MAKING THEM A REAL AND GOOD FUTURE REALITY. I think efficient hybrid/solar cars are the best alternative in the future. SOLAR CARS AND HYBRID CARS ARE WEAK, AND UGLY. And remember the article I put up about how the Japanese made gasoline from cow manure? Well India already is getting all the jobs, all the tech and has nukes. With their abundance of cow dung they could be the next superpower! HAS ANYONE OUT THERE GOT ANY AMERICAN PATRIOTISM ANYMORE? IS EVERYONE OUT THERE STILL CHEERING ON, THE TOTAL SELLOUT OF AMERICA TO THE COMMUNIST CHINESE BY THE CLINTONS AND THE BUSHES, AND THE TOTAL SELLOUT TO THE MIDDLE BEAST, BY THE NAZI BUSHES? I CAN'T BREATHE RIGHT NOW. I MIGHT DIE OF HEART FAILURE; OR HEART ATTACK. BECAUSE AFTER ALL; THIS COUNTRY IS ONE NATION UNDER THE MEDIA NOW..! DON'T WANNA BE AN AMERICAN IDIOT..! IDIOTS..! LOSER SCIENTISTS..! NOT MAD-SCIENTISTS..! LATER, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/b13a12b4/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 01:12:56 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 01:13:05 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] IF AMERICA WANTS TO BE NUKE BOMBED BY ITS OWN. In-Reply-To: <20060318074204.30359.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318081256.37055.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> clyde lofton < clydelofton@yahoo.com > wrote: IF AMERICA WANTS TO BE NUCLEAR BOMBED BY ITS OWN NAZI BUSH ADMINISTRATION WITH THE TERRORISTS, AND THE CLINTON COMMUNISTS, I JUST DON'T CARE. LET IT BE. JUST GIVE ME AN OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE, AND ALLOW ME TO START DIGGING MY OWN GRAVE, OUT IN THE BOONDOCKS..! LATER, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20060318081428.57663.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318082016.99132.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> AMERICA: IN DRASTIC NEED OF MORAL REVIVAL..! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/60f57a98/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 01:22:52 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 01:22:56 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20060318065751.32998.qmail@web50611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318082252.40325.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> KEEP ON GOING..! I AM DONE FOR THIS EVENING. CALLING IT A DAY, AND A NIGHT, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/31a3afd8/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Mar 18 01:44:14 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Mar 18 01:44:19 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Crystal radios Message-ID: <000201c64a68$23887f00$6401a8c0@mikey> A crystal radio was my very first radio project. Its construction was as follows: The tuning coil was enameled magnet wire, close wound onto a toilet paper tube. This was mounted to a board, and a slider cut from a tin can. The slider was bent and loosely screwed to the board, so it was in contact with the coil. Repeated sliding across the coil wore off the enamel, allowing electrical contact. The detector was not a galena crystal, I used an old penny! The cat's whisker was formed from a safety pin, and a homemade capacitor was made by interleaving aluminum foil and wax paper. The only store-bought part was the Hi-Z headphones. When connected to a long wire antenna and ground, I could receive most of the local strong stations! I then improved it with a 1N34A germanium diode. Today I would recommend the 1N914 silicon diode. -Mike From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 02:00:49 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 02:01:05 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Crystal radios In-Reply-To: <000201c64a68$23887f00$6401a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20060318090049.48169.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> Michael Best < mbest@triad.rr.com > wrote: A crystal radio was my very first radio project. Its construction was as follows: The tuning coil was enameled magnet wire, close wound onto a toilet paper tube. This was mounted to a board, and a slider cut from a tin can. The slider was bent and loosely screwed to the board, so it was in contact with the coil. Repeated sliding across the coil wore off the enamel, allowing electrical contact. The detector was not a galena crystal, I used an old penny! The cat's whisker was formed from a safety pin, and a homemade capacitor was made by interleaving aluminum foil and wax paper. The only store-bought part was the Hi-Z headphones. When connected to a long wire antenna and ground, I could receive most of the local strong stations! I then improved it with a 1N34A germanium diode. Today I would recommend the 1N914 silicon diode. OK. I NEED TO EXPERIMENT WITH CRUDE CIRCUIT TOPOLOGY DESIGNS. I'M CURIOUS IF CRUDE HIGH POWER NARROW BAND F.M. TRANSMITTER AND CRUDE HIGH POWER NARROW BAND F.M. RECEIVER CIRCUIT TOPOLOGIES CAN BE DONE ON AN EASY SCALE, AND WITH AMERICAN QUALITY INTEGRITY? ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHINESE TURD WORLD COUNTRY CHEAP LABOR SHIT..! FRUSTRATED, CLYDE -Mike --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/489a77a5/attachment-0001.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Mar 18 02:57:17 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Mar 18 02:57:21 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Crystal radios In-Reply-To: <20060318090049.48169.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c64a72$580f9060$6401a8c0@mikey> OK. I NEED TO EXPERIMENT WITH CRUDE CIRCUIT TOPOLOGY DESIGNS. I'M CURIOUS IF CRUDE HIGH POWER NARROW BAND F.M. TRANSMITTER AND CRUDE HIGH POWER NARROW BAND F.M. RECEIVER CIRCUIT TOPOLOGIES CAN BE DONE ON AN EASY SCALE, AND WITH AMERICAN QUALITY INTEGRITY? ? ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHINESE TURD WORLD COUNTRY CHEAP LABOR SHIT..! ? FRUSTRATED, ? CLYDE Of course you can! You just purchase the Asian-made integrated circuits, add a couple of external components, and you have a radio! There is an FM receiver IC that has everything on it- RF, IF, and AF sections, local oscillators, AGC, phase detector, even PLL synthesis of the 1st local oscillator! Just add power, speaker, antenna, crystal, and a couple of pots, and you have a radio! The transmitter is a bit more complicated, you'll need about a half-dozen Asian IC's for that. Just don't expect to find those chips made in the USA, that just doesn't happen- It's simply too damn expensive to make IC's in the USA, between EPA, OSHA, health insurance, labor laws, labor unions... Face reality Clyde- there is not a single damn thing you can make totally in the USA, except perhaps making other members of this list irritated with your incessant whining. True, High-Quality whining, made in Tulsa, OK, USA! As for consumer goods, forget it. Somewhere in the supply chain, there will be Asians involved. Whether it be the Chinese tungsten used to make bullets for the US Army, the Japanese steel used to make Chevrolets, or the farm-raised shrimp from Vietnam, EVERYTHING has something in it from Asia. THIS is the 21st-century flat economy, for better or worse. Your bitching is NOT going to do a damn thing to change it. Now you might make a difference if you get the hell off your pity-pot, get yourself together, and begin sanely working through accepted political and social channels for change. -Mike From thrustmeister at netzero.net Sat Mar 18 04:51:48 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Sat Mar 18 04:53:40 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Corrugated Strength Message-ID: <20060318.035211.26452.674490@webmail47.lax.untd.com> Clyde wrote: BUT WHEN THIS CURSED COUNTRY IS ABSOLUTELY SOLD OUT TO COMMUNIST CHINA Yes, it burns me up that "they" sold all of OUR National Parks to China. But now I hear that "they" sold all of the Texas Freeways to Spain. Soon, all of these freeways will be toll roads. It'll cost $180 in tolls to drive from Dallas to Austin. Jerry From thrustmeister at netzero.net Sat Mar 18 04:55:13 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Sat Mar 18 04:57:33 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Crystal radios Message-ID: <20060318.035612.26452.674494@webmail47.lax.untd.com> I hear that the Sylvania 1N29B, which is a radioactive diode, will amplify the signal sufficiently to drive a loud speaker. Jerry -- "Michael Best" wrote: A crystal radio was my very first radio project. Its construction was as follows: The tuning coil was enameled magnet wire, close wound onto a toilet paper tube. This was mounted to a board, and a slider cut from a tin can. The slider was bent and loosely screwed to the board, so it was in contact with the coil. Repeated sliding across the coil wore off the enamel, allowing electrical contact. The detector was not a galena crystal, I used an old penny! The cat's whisker was formed from a safety pin, and a homemade capacitor was made by interleaving aluminum foil and wax paper. The only store-bought part was the Hi-Z headphones. When connected to a long wire antenna and ground, I could receive most of the local strong stations! I then improved it with a 1N34A germanium diode. Today I would recommend the 1N914 silicon diode. -Mike _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists From thrustmeister at netzero.net Sat Mar 18 05:17:51 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Sat Mar 18 05:18:59 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] flying cars Message-ID: <20060318.041823.26452.674535@webmail47.lax.untd.com> j s wrote: I think we'll never see flying commuter transportation in our lifetime. Clyde: YEAH; SAD BUT TRUE; UNLESS SUCH VEHICLES ARE OPERATED LIKE A CAB SERVICE, ONLY OPERABLE BY FLIGHT TRAINED LICENCED PILOT/OPERATORS. -The way they're setting it up, the flying commuter vehicle will be required to be computor controlled, flying only along a designated route. j s: People can't even safely operate a vehicle on the ground - could you imagine the chaos and damage caused by mid-air collisions?! -Supposedly, none, when everything is controlled by the central computor and no driver has free will. j s: When they crash they have to land somewhere, like maybe your house while you are sleeping. -Besides that, fences will no longer be valid. But this will spawn a new security industry. And probably even 'floater' security cams. j s: Besides, it wasteful to have a vehicle overcome gravity. -The Moeller Flying Car gets 65 miles per gallon. j s: Perhaps a hovercraft or maglev type vehicle but to basically have rocket powered cars would be extremely wasteful and even more destructive to the environment. Clyde: MAYBE; BUT NOT NECCESSARILY; IF THE ALTERNATIVE GYROSCOPIC PROPULSIVE WAYS AND MEANS ARE USED. -Right. A helicopter has a mass to power ratio of around .65 pounds per HP, whereas my Levitation Machine has a ratio of around 20 pounds per HP. j s: And remember the article I put up about how the Japanese made gasoline from cow manure? Well India already is getting all the jobs, all the tech and has nukes. With their abundance of cow dung they could be the next superpower! -They don't eat beaf in India. With our feedlots, we still have the most manure. Jerry From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 07:43:27 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 07:43:34 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SEARCH TOPICS: HEALING ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS; AND: BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT. Message-ID: <20060318144327.49914.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> SEARCH TOPIC: HEALING ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS: http://www.rareearth.org/magnets_health.htm http://www.potentiation.net/page2.html http://www.provet.co.uk/health/diseases/magnetism.htm http://www.healingtherapies.info/magnetic_healing.htm http://www.alternativehealingtools.com/Lakhovsky/bioelectric.htm http://www.chekinstitute.com/articles.cfm?select=22+ SEARCH TOPIC: BRAINWAVE ENTRAINMENT: http://www.consciousdreaming.com/lucid-dreaming/brainwave-entrainment-info.htm http://www.lunarsight.com/glossary.htm http://www.deeptrancenow.com/brainwave_synchronization.htm http://web-us.com/thescience.htm --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/c6a1671b/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 07:46:59 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 07:47:19 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Corrugated Strength In-Reply-To: <20060318.035211.26452.674490@webmail47.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <20060318144659.65322.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> " thrustmeister@netzero.net " wrote: Clyde wrote: BUT WHEN THIS CURSED COUNTRY IS ABSOLUTELY SOLD OUT TO COMMUNIST CHINA Yes, it burns me up that "they" sold all of OUR National Parks to China. But now I hear that "they" sold all of the Texas Freeways to Spain. Soon, all of these freeways will be toll roads. It'll cost $180 in tolls to drive from Dallas to Austin. ABSOLUTELY NONSENSE! IF WHAT YOU SAY HOLDS TRUE THOUGH, THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY. CLYDE Jerry --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/12b9f1a6/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 09:14:28 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 09:14:37 2006 Subject: MODIFIED AND EDITED: [MAD-SCIENTISTS]. Message-ID: <20060318161428.96973.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> MODIFIED AND EDITED: I REPEAT: IT IS TIME TO FIREHOSE BLAST WITH JET WATER, EVERY MAINSTREAM MEDIA BROADCAST RADIO AND TELEVISION TOWER AND TRANSMITTER BUILDING IN THE TULSA AREA RADIO AND TELEVISION MARKET..! DO NOT REPLY TO THIS POSTING..! AND IT IS ALSO TIME FOR AMERICA TO RETURN TO A CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT ONCE AGAIN, BEFORE THIS COUNTRY GOES UP IN NUCLEAR SMOKE BY TERRORISTS WITH THE HELP OF THE NAZI BUSHES AND THE COMMIE CLINTONS..! [HEIRS OF THE COLD WAR; THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BECOME. INHERITING TROUBLES; I'M MENTALLY NUMB; [AND [MYSELF] DUMB]. LATER, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/f6dfdb16/attachment-0001.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 09:14:51 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 09:15:09 2006 Subject: MODIFIED AND EDITED: [Mad-Scientists]. Message-ID: <20060318161452.88304.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> MODIFIED AND EDITED: > [flame mode = ON] I APOLOGIZE: THOUGH THERE IS NO FLAME MODE NECCESSARY..! WATER MODE ONLY, AND I NEED THE WATER HOSE IN MY HANDS, I NEED TO BE ENTIRELY BRACED AND ANCHORED TO THE GROUND OR OTHER HEAVY OBJECT [THE FIRE TRUCK] , AND FULLY BLASTING THE WATER HOSE, TRAVELLING TO EACH SITE, AND AIMING AT EVERY MAINSTREAM BROADCAST TRANSMISSION TOWER, EVERY MAINSTREAM BROADCAST ANTENNA STRUCTURE, AND EVERY MAINSTREAM BROADCAST TRANSMITTER BUILDING; [I MAY NEED HALON FIRE EXTINGUISHERS AS WELL.] [; FOR EVERY LEFT WING AND RIGHT WING MEDIA OPERATION IN THE TULSA OKLAHOMA MARKET;] ALL OTHER MICROBROADCASTERS AND ALL OTHER DISGRUNTLED PEOPLE WHO ARE ANGRY AT THE MEDIA INSANITY MAY WANT TO FOLLOW MY LEAD ON THIS TOP SECRET OPERATION AS WELL..! I DO NEED A FIRE FIGHTER'S WATERJET HOSE, AND THE TULSA FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE THERE FOR BACK UP..! THE RIGHT WING MEDIAS AND THE LEFT WING MEDIAS ARE IN NEED OF EVERY ONE OF THEIR RADIO TOWERS AND TRANSMITTER BUILDINGS BEING JET BLASTED WITH WATER, TO EXTIGUISH THE HOMOSEXUAL FIRES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE COMMIE AND NAZI DIVIDE THAT HAS BEEN THE CURSE OVER THIS DIVIDED AND SCREWED UP COUNTRY..! I REJECT HOMOSEXUALITY..! I EMBRACE ANTISEXUALITY..! I HAVE NEVER ACCEPTED HOMOSEXUALITY AS AN ACCEPTABLE FORM OF SEXUAL NATURE; AND I F'ING HATE THE MEDIA BECAUSE OF IT TOO..! I NEVER WANTED TO BE PART OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ANYWAY..! ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS TO HAVE MY OWN PUBLIC SERVICE L.P.F.M. BROADCAST STATION AND STATIONS, UTILIZING AMERICAN QUALITY INTEGRITY, WITH PRIDE: TALKING CLOCK TECHNOLOGY..! BUT WHEN THIS CURSED COUNTRY IS ABSOLUTELY SOLD OUT TO COMMUNIST CHINA, AND ABSOLUTELY SOLD OUT TO THE MIDDLE EAST, AND THE ECONOMY IN THE ABSOLUTE DEEPEST OF THE DEEPEST OF THE PITS OF HELL: IF AMERICA WANTS TO BE NUCLEAR BOMBED BY ITS OWN NAZI BUSH ADMINISTRATION WITH THE TERRORISTS AND THE CLINTON COMMUNISTS, I JUST DON'T CARE. LET IT BE. JUST GIVE ME AN OVERDOSE OF MORPHINE, AND ALLOW ME TO START DIGGING MY OWN GRAVE, OUT IN THE BOONDOCKS..! LATER, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/5bfa37a7/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 09:15:11 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 09:15:23 2006 Subject: MODIFIED AND REVISED: [MAD-SCIENTISTS]. Message-ID: <20060318161511.91120.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> MODIFIED AND REVISED: I NEVER WANTED TO BE PART OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ANYWAY..! ALL THAT I WANTED TO DO WAS TO HAVE MY OWN PUBLIC SERVICE L.P.F.M. BROADCAST STATION AND STATIONS, UTILIZING AMERICAN MADE QUALITY INTEGRITY, WITH PRIDE, TALKING CLOCK TECHNOLOGY. BUT WHEN THIS CURSED COUNTRY IS ABSOLUTELY SOLD OUT TO COMMUNIST CHINA, AND ABSOLUTELY SOLD OUT TO THE MIDDLE BEAST, WITH THE ECONOMY IN THE ABSOLUTE DEEPEST OF THE DEEPEST OF THE PITS OF HELL; THEN WHAT IS THERE THAT CAN BE DONE TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE? MY BACK IS AGAINST THE WALL..! WITH NO HOPE OF LEAVING THIS PRISON INSANE ASYLUM NONSENSE TOWN OF TULSA OKLAHOMA; [IGOR: YOU CAN REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO NOW;] WITH ZERO [TO ABSOLUTE MINIMAL] PROGRESS IN SIGHT; CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/03eb50b2/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 09:29:57 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 09:30:01 2006 Subject: MODIFIED AND REVISED: [MAD-SCIENTISTS]. In-Reply-To: <20060318161511.91120.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318162957.46933.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> [AND THERE IS THAT OLD IN MY MIND AGAIN: SONG AGAIN, SONG AGAIN, SONG AGAIN, SONG AGAIN; REVOLVING AND REVOLVING AND REVOLVING AND REVOLVING, IN ITS OWN REVOLUTION, IN ITS OWN REVOLUTION, IN ITS OWN REVOLUTION, IN ITS OWN REVOLUTION, OVER AND OVER, AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN: LIVIN' ON TULSA TIME; LIVIN' ON TULSA TIME.] STUCK IN A RUT, STUCK IN A RUT, STUCK IN A RUT, STUCK IN A RUT. DID I MENTION BEFORE, IN THE PAST, THAT TULSA OKLAHOMA IS IN DIRE NEED OF WHAT IS KNOWN AS A FAIR AND CLEAN GOVERNMENT? IF I DIDN'T MENTION THAT BEFORE, THEN PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR MENTIONING IT OVER AND OVER, AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN..!] MY BACK IS AGAINST THE WALL..! WITH NO HOPE OF LEAVING THIS PRISON INSANE ASYLUM NONSENSE TOWN OF TULSA OKLAHOMA; [IGOR: YOU CAN REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO NOW;] WITH ZERO [TO ABSOLUTE MINIMAL] PROGRESS IN SIGHT; LATER, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/f98b3a9b/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 11:09:19 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 11:09:23 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TULSA TIME [INSANITY MIX:] In-Reply-To: <20060318162957.46933.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318180919.27963.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> TULSA TIME [INSANITY MIX:] [AND THERE IS THAT OLD SONG IN MY MIND AGAIN: SONG AGAIN, SONG AGAIN, SONG AGAIN, SONG AGAIN; REVOLVING AND REVOLVING AND REVOLVING AND REVOLVING, IN ITS OWN REVOLUTION, IN ITS OWN REVOLUTION, IN ITS OWN REVOLUTION, IN ITS OWN REVOLUTION, OVER AND OVER, AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN: LIVIN' ON TULSA TIME; LIVIN' ON TULSA TIME. STUCK IN A RUT, STUCK IN A RUT, STUCK IN A RUT, STUCK IN A RUT. I LEFT OKLAHOMA, DRIVIN' IN A PICKUP TRUCK, AND HAVE ALREADY LOST MY MIND, LOST MY MIND.... DRIVIN' ON MY WAY TO COLORADO, MAYBE ONTO CALIFORNIA, OR FLORIDA, ALREADY LOST MY MIND, LOST MY MIND. LIVIN' ON TULSA TIME, TULSA TIME. GONNA SET MY WATCH BACK TO IT, CAUSE YOU KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH IT, THOUGH IT. LIVIN' ON TULSA TIME. LIVIN' ON TULSA TIME. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/3be1be52/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 11:12:29 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 11:12:36 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] TULSA TIME [INSANITY MIX:] In-Reply-To: <20060318180919.27963.qmail@web50614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060318181229.60154.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> THERE'S THAT SONG AGAIN; [REPEAT CHORUS] TULSA TIME [INSANITY MIX:] [AND THERE IS THAT OLD SONG IN MY MIND AGAIN: SONG AGAIN, SONG AGAIN, SONG AGAIN, SONG AGAIN; REVOLVING AND REVOLVING AND REVOLVING AND REVOLVING, IN ITS OWN REVOLUTION, IN ITS OWN REVOLUTION, IN ITS OWN REVOLUTION, IN ITS OWN REVOLUTION, OVER AND OVER, AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN: LIVIN' ON TULSA TIME; LIVIN' ON TULSA TIME. STUCK IN A RUT, STUCK IN A RUT, STUCK IN A RUT, STUCK IN A RUT. I LEFT OKLAHOMA, DRIVIN' IN A PICKUP TRUCK, AND HAVE ALREADY LOST MY MIND, LOST MY MIND.... DRIVIN' ON MY WAY TO COLORADO, MAYBE ONTO CALIFORNIA, OR FLORIDA, ALREADY LOST MY MIND, LOST MY MIND. LIVIN' ON TULSA TIME, TULSA TIME. GONNA SET MY WATCH BACK TO IT, CAUSE YOU KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH IT, THOUGH IT. LIVIN' ON TULSA TIME. LIVIN' ON TULSA TIME. http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists --------------------------------- Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/e87e06bb/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Mar 18 11:19:32 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Mar 18 11:19:44 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Unquantum physics meeting tomorrow (fwd) Message-ID: <20060318181932.50895.qmail@mall-net.com> >From eric@unquantum.com Sat Mar 18 18:12:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on ca1-sg00025.securesites.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2198.6 required=2.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Level: Delivered-To: javilk@mall-net.com Received: (qmail 47215 invoked by uid 14973); 18 Mar 2006 18:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.inreach.com) ([209.142.2.36]) (envelope-sender ) by 130.94.186.125 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Mar 2006 18:12:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 18049 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 18:12:51 -0000 Received: from [209.209.14.139] (HELO ecswo8myf0pu8a) (209.209.14.139) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:12:50 -0800 Message-ID: <007401c64ab7$7fc16850$8b0ed1d1@ecswo8myf0pu8a> Reply-To: "Eric Reiter" From: "Eric Reiter" To: Subject: Unquantum physics meeting tomorrow Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:11:53 -0800 Organization: Unquantum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C64A74.612208C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C64A74.612208C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable update Unquantum Physics Meeting and Equinox Party. March 19, 2006, 1 to 7 pm, Sunday afternoon, at the home of Miriam and = Eric Reiter, 251 Nelson, Pacifica CA 94044. =20 the good news The alpha-split effect has been running in my rebuilt machine as of = March 17. It looks like I can demonstrate the effect, and you/we can = examine it. It was hard and easy to do. =20 My good friend, Allison, is developing a new website for us = http://www.unquantum.net It is up and running, but under = construction. This dot net website will have many new web-features: = quick updates, more photos, mail system, and more, for your convenience. not-so-good news My computer and website have developed many problems. My hosting = service for unquantum.com ( http://www.1dollarwebhosting.com = http://webcountry.com phil@webcountry.com ) has very rudely locked me = out from updating my site, and my ability to relocate it. Also, my CPU = died, and in the process of adding a motherboard I had to reconstruct my = hard drive, causing much grief. I would have posted on unquantum.com = instead of transmitting this message if all that had not happened. =20 I'm not in good health, but functioning. Thanks for your support, ER If I missed you on my first meeting announcement, sorry. The writing = is below:=20 You will see my recent alpha-ray quantum-refutation experimental data,=20 laboratory,=20 past inventions & attempts/designs/creations, and=20 physics library. =20 I intend to lead a group criticism of my list of physics-textbook = misconceptions. =20 Mike Kan will show his home-made alpha detector. Please contact me in = advance if you or other participants would like to show-&-tell things = that can work into the theme, as we develop the theme (call me). Food = contributions welcome, but not necessary. Your friends are invited. = Please see my website to be prepared for this meeting, = http://www.unquantum.com . It seemed easy for me to update the = website-text, so I intend to post news there regularly before the = meeting. From now to the meeting, I will be rebuilding my = alpha-splitting vacuum system. email eric@unquantum.com , or call me = at 650 738 9005. Thank You, Eric Reiter ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C64A74.612208C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Unquantum = Physics=20 Meeting and Equinox=20 Party.
March 19, 2006, 1 to 7 pm, Sunday = afternoon,=20 at the home of Miriam and Eric Reiter, 251 Nelson, Pacifica CA = 94044. =20
 
the good news
   The alpha-split = effect has been=20 running in my rebuilt machine as of March 17.  =  It=20 looks like I can demonstrate the effect, and you/we = can examine=20 it.   It was hard and easy = to=20 do.  
   My good friend, = Allison, is=20 developing a new website for us http://www.unquantum.net  = ;   It=20 is up and running, but under construction.  This dot=20 net website will have many new web-features: quick = updates, more=20 photos, mail system, and more, for your = convenience.
 
not-so-good news
   My computer and website have developed many=20 problems.  My hosting service for unquantum.com ( http://www.1dollarwebhosting.co= m =20 http://webcountry.com  phil@webcountry.com )  has = very=20 rudely locked me out from updating my site, and my ability = to=20 relocate it.  Also, my CPU died, and in the process of adding = a=20 motherboard I had to reconstruct my hard drive, causing much = grief.  =20 I would have posted on unquantum.com instead of transmitting = this=20 message if all that had not happened. 
   I'm not in good health, but functioning.
 
Thanks for your support,
ER
 
 
 
 
 If I missed you on my first meeting announcement, = sorry.=20  The writing is below:
 
You will see my
    recent = alpha-ray=20 quantum-refutation experimental data,
    laboratory, =
    past=20 inventions & attempts/designs/creations, and =
    physics = library. =20
 
I intend to lead a=20 group criticism of my list = of physics-textbook=20 misconceptions.  
Mike Kan will show his home-made alpha=20 detector.  Please contact me in advance if you or=20 other participants would like to  show-&-tell things = that can=20 work into the theme, as we develop the theme (call me).   Food = contributions welcome, but not necessary.  Your friends are = invited. =20 Please see my website to be prepared for this meeting,  http://www.unquantum.com  .    It seemed easy for=20 me to update the website-text, so I intend to post = news there=20 regularly before the meeting.  From now to the meeting, I = will be=20 rebuilding my alpha-splitting vacuum=20 system.    email eric@unquantum.com , or call me at 650 738 9005.
Thank You,
Eric Reiter
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C64A74.612208C0-- From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 14:25:05 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 14:25:16 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] HOPE I DIDN'T ANGER ANYONE. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060318212505.84055.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> HOPE I DIDN'T ANGER ANYONE. IF I DID; I APOLOGIZE. I HAVE INFORMATION OVERLOAD, AND NEED A VACATION TO THE CORAL CASTLE. KEEP ON KEEPIN' ON EVERYONE. CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/09816a65/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 21:23:44 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 21:23:47 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] PERFECT LOVE. Message-ID: <20060319042344.33200.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> PERFECT LOVE: 1. PERFECT LOVE EVEN CONQUERS DEATH ITSELF. 2. PERFECT LOVE ALSO CONQUERS, PAIN, HURT, SUFFERING, MISERY, AND SINFUL PAIN, AND SINFUL PLEASURE AS WELL. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/ed0a5f22/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 21:24:07 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 18 21:24:11 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ENERGY INDEPENDENCE, AND SERENITY. Message-ID: <20060319042407.33439.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> I WANT ENERGY INDEPENDENCE AND SERENITY TO COEXIST IN ABSOLUTE PERFECT HARMONY, FOREVER. SERENITY AMONGST ALL OF THIS NEGATIVE ENERGY. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO COPE, HAVING TO BE WITHIN ALL OF THE NEGATIVE ENERGY THAT ENDLESSLY SURROUNDS ME, SINCE I HAVE AN ENTIRELY SCREWED UP NEUROLOGY. --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060318/28167da8/attachment.html From thrustmeister at netzero.net Sun Mar 19 07:40:13 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Sun Mar 19 07:41:00 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] ENERGY INDEPENDENCE, AND SERENITY. Message-ID: <20060319.064022.25391.205130@webmail17.lax.untd.com> Clyde wrote: I WANT ENERGY INDEPENDENCE AND SERENITY TO COEXIST IN ABSOLUTE PERFECT HARMONY, FOREVER. SERENITY AMONGST ALL OF THIS NEGATIVE ENERGY. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO COPE, HAVING TO BE WITHIN ALL OF THE NEGATIVE ENERGY THAT ENDLESSLY SURROUNDS ME, SINCE I HAVE AN ENTIRELY SCREWED UP NEUROLOGY Yes, negative energy does have a mentally disrupting effect, and causes anxiety and negative thoughts. The best psychic defence I've found against this negative energy is the "Peace Wreath". Simply imagine you have a wreath on your head, above your ears. Then mentally extend both sides of the wreath until they meet across your forehead. This mental energy will then prevent the negative energy from entering your forehead capacitor. Remember to keep breathing, and consider that diplomats are often shown with wreaths. Jerry From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Mar 19 10:15:03 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sun Mar 19 10:15:21 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: national parks ?? Highways ?? Message-ID: <2d5.5133d48.314eeb97@aol.com> In a message dated 3/18/2006 6:54:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, thrustmeister@netzero.net writes: Yes, it burns me up that "they" sold all of OUR National Parks to China. But now I hear that "they" sold all of the Texas Freeways to Spain. Soon, all of these freeways will be toll roads. It'll cost $180 in tolls to drive from Dallas to Austin. Jerry At first I was aghast when I read this, now on later reflection it kind of makes sense. America belongs to everyone,, it takes thousands of years to build blood ties, religions and traditions and common DNA to have a society that can be different from its neighbor country's. America ,except for the aborigines living here when the world found us is unlike any other country in the world. We are citizens of America, either by birth or immigration. 10 th. generation Japanese born and breed here on American soil are still Japanese. We have no common DNA, blood lines or what ever. We bought half our country from France, lots of the south west from Spain, Alaska from Russia. We had to fight the British Empire to get the show on the road. Now we are being bough again by other country's. So the question is WHO THE HELL IS SELLING OUR LAND TO OTHER COUNTRYS ????? These secrete deals , such as the Ports deal are a governmental problem that we ordinary citizens never hear about .I believe the port sale getting the media attention was a fluke , some one messed up and we heard about it. Then all Hell broke out. ( Thanks to the media ) The 911 fiasco was brilliant, when you think about it, it was a smoke and mirrors plan. It got us all scared out of our wits. Since the Arab country's own so much property in America, I see no way they want to shoot them selves in the foot with a dirty bomb of any kind. Last thing they want is to do anything to make us RUN THEM OUT ON A RAIL. They don't want to loose their property here. They are patient folks, and not to be trusted with caring for your cat. They will get us economically. We are spending billions of dollars to prevent a physical attack that will not happen again, they keep us riled up bombing in Europe and mid east. They will sap us dry from a fear that is of the bogy man. When we start to relax they just get people in Indonesia to riot and we all hide under our beds. I also believe they are spending billions of dollars to help South Americans to enter the country via Mexico, not to mention supporting the drug trade. Now to the Chinese, do you really think since they own our ports on the west coast that the Arabs would place a dirty bomb there?? The Chinese would face years of not being able to use these ports, the money lost to them would be huge, they would not be happy campers. The times, they are a changing. Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would like the kids to go into the sciences and they are, from the youngest on up, fascinated with being able to use the computer to talk to people engaged in any kind of science. I dislike having the youngest come to me because you use the F_WORD. My 19 year old is offended by your blaming the woes of the world on homosexuals. This is not a science to them this is an personal opinion and has nothing to do about nothing. Unless you are researching the genetics behind personal behavior. The 30 year old thinks I am nuts for being on a board that is 3/4 devoted to you and your constant repetition of complains of YOUR PROBLEMS. The 40 to 60 year olds think the board is a farce, there are some folks they will read but when Clyde pops up they Howell--"what is this chit" At first Clyde I had an interest in helping you, it has gone on for so long now that I don't care any longer--You don't want help, wont listen to good advice from other members--you are a FRAUD. Am I angry with you ?? No, I AM OFFENDED of the time you have taken away from real scientists with your mail box jamming every day taking away from the time the youngsters have to get to the real nitti -gritty of science, history, everything related to science. We are all interested in history, anthropology and how we got to be where we are. Some of us are fascinated with space exploration, others under sea exploration. I have told you before Clyde to KNOCK IF OFF--QUIT THE BULL. TME IS PRECIOUS TO US, WE ALL WANT TO LEARN EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING. YOU ARE STANDING IN OUR WAY VESTA The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060320/6bf6d92d/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Mar 20 12:42:35 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Mon Mar 20 12:42:30 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: HOPE I DIDN'T ANGER ANYONE. In-Reply-To: <20060320190002.04BDB39E00@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <01f101c64c56$70ad93c0$6401a8c0@mikey> Clyde- I must agree with Vesta here. I am at the end of my patience with you. We all wish to help you, but all of our efforts are met with resistance. Igor- As much as it pains me to make this suggestion, I feel I must for the benefit of our community. I believe it is time to either moderate Clyde, or remove him from this forum. We have all tried to help Clyde, but no one can help someone who refuses to help himself, or accept help from others. For awhile, I was forwarding the weekly ARRL newsletter to Clyde, in hopes it would rekindle his interest in ham radio. All it accomplished was to give Clyde more fodder for his rants regarding BPL and government spying. Two weeks ago, I stopped forwarding these to him. My heart goes out to Clyde, but Vesta is correct- Clyde is a disruptive influence, and despite the best efforts of many good people, Clyde seems determined to remain in his self-made purgatory. We need to rectify this situation for the best interests of the Mad-Scientist community. It has already gone on far too long, IMHO. Best regards, Mike > Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:20:37 EST > From: Vesta111@aol.com > In a message dated 3/18/2006 4:25:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: > > HOPE I DIDN'T ANGER ANYONE. > > IF I DID; I APOLOGIZE. > > I HAVE INFORMATION OVERLOAD, > AND NEED A VACATION TO THE > CORAL CASTLE. > > KEEP ON KEEPIN' ON EVERYONE > > For your information, my whole family reads all the mad-scientists > posts we > are from 6 years old to 60. > > For months now I have had to delete your messages for fear the > youngsters > would get to them. Some times I cannot get to them in time and they > do read > them. > > You are not, I feel a good roll model for my family. I would like > the kids > to go into the sciences and they are, from the youngest on up, > fascinated with > being able to use the computer to talk to people engaged in any kind > of > science. > > I dislike having the youngest come to me because you use the F_WORD. > My 19 > year old is offended by your blaming the woes of the world on > homosexuals. This > is not a science to them this is an personal opinion and has > nothing to do > about nothing. Unless you are researching the genetics behind > personal > behavior. > > The 30 year old thinks I am nuts for being on a board that is 3/4 > devoted to > you and your constant repetition of complains of YOUR PROBLEMS. > > The 40 to 60 year olds think the board is a farce, there are some > folks they > will read but when Clyde pops up they Howell--"what is this chit" > > At first Clyde I had an interest in helping you, it has gone on for > so long > now that I don't care any longer--You don't want help, wont listen > to good > advice from other members--you are a FRAUD. > > Am I angry with you ?? No, I AM OFFENDED of the time you have > taken away > from real scientists with your mail box jamming every day taking > away from the > time the youngsters have to get to the real nitti -gritty of > science, > history, everything related to science. > > We are all interested in history, anthropology and how we got to be > where we > are. Some of us are fascinated with space exploration, others under > sea > exploration. > > I have told you before Clyde to KNOCK IF OFF--QUIT THE BULL. > > TME IS PRECIOUS TO US, WE ALL WANT TO LEARN EVERYTHING ABOUT > EVERYTHING. YOU > ARE STANDING IN OUR WAY > VESTA > > The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the > written word. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Mon Mar 20 12:59:35 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Mon Mar 20 12:59:39 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: HOPE I DIDN'T ANGER ANYONE. In-Reply-To: <01f101c64c56$70ad93c0$6401a8c0@mikey> Message-ID: <20060320195935.98131.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Michael Best < mbest@triad.rr.com > wrote: Clyde- I must agree with Vesta here. I am at the end of my patience with you. We all wish to help you, but all of our efforts are met with resistance. NO RESISTANCE. I REQUESTED IGOR TO REMOVE ME FROM THE LIST THE OTHER DAY. AND YES; IT IS MY DECISION TO DO SO. WHEN VESTA RELIES TO MY POSTINGS, HE IS VERY OVERWHELMING IN HIS REPLIES. SO MUCH SO, THAT I AM EITHER LACKING IN THE ENERGY NECESSARY IN MAKING AN EFFORTED RESPONSE, OR THAT I AM JUST TOTALLY STRESSED OUT BY IT ALL. MY PROBLEMS ARE IN MONEY ISSUES. ISSUES THAT I WILL NEVER FIGURE OUT IN LIFE. I NAM PARALYZED BY FEAR, WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUES INVOLVED THE LACK OF ABUNDENCE OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES, TO KEEP HANDS ON PROJECTS IN FORWARD MOTION. Igor- REMOVE ME FROM THE LIST. AS HUMBLE AS I CAN BE, CLYDE --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060320/866d2266/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Mar 20 21:35:18 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Mon Mar 20 21:35:16 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Political (mad) Science Message-ID: <024c01c64ca0$dc2aab20$6401a8c0@mikey> POLITICAL SCIENCE For Dummies DEMOCRATIC You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You feel guilty for being successful. Barbara Streisand sings for you. REPUBLICANISM You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. So? SOCIALIST You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor. You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his cow. COMMUNIST You have two cows. The government seizes both and provides you with milk. You wait in line for hours to get it. It is expensive and sour. CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE You have two cows. You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows. BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE You have two cows. Under the new farm program the government pays you to shoot one, milk the other, and then pours the milk down the drain. AMERICAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You sell one, lease it back to yourself and do an IPO on the 2nd one. You force the two cows to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when one cow drops dead. You spin an announcement to the analysts stating you have downsized and are reducing expenses. Your stock goes up. FRENCH CORPORATION You have two cows. You go on strike because you want three cows. You go to lunch and drink wine. Life is good. JAPANESE CORPORATION You have two cows. You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. They learn to travel on unbelievably crowded trains. Most are at the top of their class at cow school. GERMAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You engineer them so they are all blond, drink lots of beer, give excellent quality milk, and run a hundred miles an hour. Unfortunately they also demand 13 weeks of vacation per year. ITALIAN CORPORATION You have two cows but you don't know where they are. While ambling around, you see a beautiful woman. You break for lunch. Life is good. RUSSIAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You have some vodka. You count them and learn you have five cows. You have some more vodka. You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. The Mafia shows up and takes over however many cows you really have. TALIBAN CORPORATION You have all the cows in Afghanistan, which are two. You don't milk them because you cannot touch any creature's private parts. You get a $40 million grant from the US government to find alternatives to milk production but use the money to buy weapons. IRAQI CORPORATION You have two cows. They go into hiding. They send radio tapes of their mooing. BELGIAN CORPORATION You have one cow. The cow is schizophrenic. Sometimes the cow thinks he's French, other times he's Flemish The Flemish cow won't share with the French cow. The French cow wants control of the Flemish cow's milk. The cow asks permission to be cut in half. The cow dies happy. FLORIDA CORPORATION You have a black cow and a brown cow. Everyone votes for the best looking one. Some of the people who actually like the brown one best accidentally vote for the black one. Some people vote for both. Some people vote for neither. Some people can't figure out how to vote at all. Finally, a bunch of guys from out-of-state tell you which one you think is the best-looking cow. CALIFORNIA CORPORATION You have millions of cows. They make real California cheese. Only five speak English. Most are illegals. Arnold The Governator likes the ones with the big udders. ? From thrustmeister at netzero.net Tue Mar 21 00:55:53 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Tue Mar 21 00:57:58 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: HOPE I DIDN'T ANGER ANYONE. Message-ID: <20060320.235632.8674.702099@webmail44.lax.untd.com> Since Clyde invited me to join this list, I've seen very little science here - mad or otherwise. Mostly just a little opinionating and random ramblings. (MB's latest, but cute, post for example.) One value I have recieved is all of the links Clyde took the time to ferret out. Without these links coming in, what's the use? -Jerry -- "Michael Best" wrote: Clyde- I must agree with Vesta here. I am at the end of my patience with you. We all wish to help you, but all of our efforts are met with resistance. Igor- As much as it pains me to make this suggestion, I feel I must for the benefit of our community. I believe it is time to either moderate Clyde, or remove him from this forum. We have all tried to help Clyde, but no one can help someone who refuses to help himself, or accept help from others. For awhile, I was forwarding the weekly ARRL newsletter to Clyde, in hopes it would rekindle his interest in ham radio. All it accomplished was to give Clyde more fodder for his rants regarding BPL and government spying. Two weeks ago, I stopped forwarding these to him. My heart goes out to Clyde, but Vesta is correct- Clyde is a disruptive influence, and despite the best efforts of many good people, Clyde seems determined to remain in his self-made purgatory. We need to rectify this situation for the best interests of the Mad-Scientist community. It has already gone on far too long, IMHO. Best regards, Mike > Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:20:37 EST > From: Vesta111@aol.com > In a message dated 3/18/2006 4:25:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > clydelofton@yahoo.com writes: > > HOPE I DIDN'T ANGER ANYONE. > > IF I DID; I APOLOGIZE. > > I HAVE INFORMATION OVERLOAD, > AND NEED A VACATION TO THE > CORAL CASTLE. > > KEEP ON KEEPIN' ON EVERYONE > > For your information, my whole family reads all the mad-scientists > posts we > are from 6 years old to 60. > > For months now I have had to delete your messages for fear the > youngsters > would get to them. Some times I cannot get to them in time and they > do read > them. > > You are not, I feel a good roll model for my family. I would like > the kids > to go into the sciences and they are, from the youngest on up, > fascinated with > being able to use the computer to talk to people engaged in any kind > of > science. > > I dislike having the youngest come to me because you use the F_WORD. > My 19 > year old is offended by your blaming the woes of the world on > homosexuals. This > is not a science to them this is an personal opinion and has > nothing to do > about nothing. Unless you are researching the genetics behind > personal > behavior. > > The 30 year old thinks I am nuts for being on a board that is 3/4 > devoted to > you and your constant repetition of complains of YOUR PROBLEMS. > > The 40 to 60 year olds think the board is a farce, there are some > folks they > will read but when Clyde pops up they Howell--"what is this chit" > > At first Clyde I had an interest in helping you, it has gone on for > so long > now that I don't care any longer--You don't want help, wont listen > to good > advice from other members--you are a FRAUD. > > Am I angry with you ?? No, I AM OFFENDED of the time you have > taken away > from real scientists with your mail box jamming every day taking > away from the > time the youngsters have to get to the real nitti -gritty of > science, > history, everything related to science. > > We are all interested in history, anthropology and how we got to be > where we > are. Some of us are fascinated with space exploration, others under > sea > exploration. > > I have told you before Clyde to KNOCK IF OFF--QUIT THE BULL. > > TME IS PRECIOUS TO US, WE ALL WANT TO LEARN EVERYTHING ABOUT > EVERYTHING. YOU > ARE STANDING IN OUR WAY > VESTA > > The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the > written word. _______________________________________________ Mad-Scientists mailing list Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Mar 21 09:32:31 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Mar 21 09:32:27 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] FW: Unexpected Energy in Z machine experiment and Wakefield Pressure Correlate Message-ID: <001301c64d05$0d845770$6401a8c0@mikey> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:44:12 -0000 From: "jebayles2001" Subject: Unexpected Energy in Z machine experiment and Wakefield Pressure Correlate Mar. 20, 2006: Dear Newelectrogravitation Members, et al: The February 2006 issue of Scientific American titled "Plasma Accelerators", pp. 41-47 describe a novel method of accelerating particles via a plasma process called "Wakefield Acceleration" wherein a trailing and collapsing bunch of electrons around a positive ion bunch creates an acceleration pressure or forward force on the electrons. I propose that this is the proton and electron pressure wave as theorized in my work at: http://www.electrogravity.com/EnergySpiral_3/EnergySpiral_3.pdf Especially pp. 26-42 inclusive. SEE: http://www.slac.stanford.edu/grp/arb/e164/index.html AND: http://loasis.lbl.gov/ Of a related note, an article in the local newspaper, The Medford Mail Tribune, Mar. 10, 2006, p. 8A, describes how FOUR TIMES the expected energy was released during a test involving the "Z" machine during a high temperature plasma experiment at the national Labratories in Albuquerque NM. QUOTE:"Ordinarily, non-nuclear reactions produce less energy than goes into the reaction, but Sandia's experiment produced up to four times the energy than expected." --UNQUOTE. See: http://www.sandia.gov Thus it is apparent that useful powerful forces are unleashed in non- nuclear reactions. This is exciting since harmful long-term radiation is not contained in the product. I am reminded for the moment of what the actor "Scientist" said about the Martian weapons of destruction in the new movie version of "The War Of The Worlds": "The beams apparently use the basic energy that binds the atoms and molecules to cause the target molecules and atoms to lose their binding ability." (Paraphrased.) The force I propose as the pressure wave is just that sort of energy. If it were enhanced by a suitable form of field resonance to become stronger and made into a beam, whatever was hit by that beam would come apart at the atomic and molecular level. Further, no leftover radiation would exist since it is a non-nuclear action. H. G. Wells was really ahead of his time. Comments are welcome and encouraged. j.e.bayles@worldnet.att.net http://www.electrogravity.com ====================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But the simple, universal design scheme that the California Institute of Technology computer scientist invented to create the image-just a few hundred nanometers across and made entirely of DNA-offers scientists a stunningly simple and versatile route to create nanostructures from the bottom up (Nature 2006, 440, 297). DNA's regular structure and predictable chemistry make it an ideal building block for bottom-up fabrication. Scientists have been using it for years to build nanoscale cubes, cages, and octahedrons. Now, with his so-called DNA origami, Rothemund has taken DNA nanofabrication to a new level, creating DNA nanodesigns 10-fold more complex than any made previously. http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/84/i12/8412notw6.html From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Mar 23 04:41:59 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Mar 23 04:42:18 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The Ultimate Free Lunch -- Cosmic Inflation? Message-ID: <20060323114159.25768.qmail@mall-net.com> http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Guth/Guth_contents.html This paper provides a simplified overview of cosmic inflation as is now postulated due to the results of the WMAP spacecraft's mapping of the cosmic background radiation. This is the subject of today's NASA Astronomy Picture of the Day: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html There are interesting implications for those who think they may be able to find a free lunch, or free energy in the so called vacuum. -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no cosmologist, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as cosmological advice. From creolescience at yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 16:17:54 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Thu Mar 23 16:18:07 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Researchers Develop Ultra-Thin Plastic Message-ID: <20060323231754.53131.qmail@web36107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Researchers Develop Ultra-Thin Plastic By DAN GOODIN, AP Technology WriterWed Mar 22, 6:35 PM ET Researchers have developed an ultra-thin plastic that allows an electrical charge to pass through it at speeds never before seen, a discovery that could dramatically drive down the cost of flat-panel monitors and other devices. The plastic, which resembles cellophane when applied to electronic components, could one day replace the chemicals used to manufacture monitors and so-called radio frequency identification chips, which are used to keep track of store inventories, fleets of trucks and herds of cattle. Researchers have long searched for alternatives to the silicon-based material used in today's devices. The plastic material, known as liquid-crystalline polymers, have been viewed as a key contender, but until now electrical charges haven't been able to travel through it at speeds required by electronic devices. But a team of scientists led by Ian McCulloch of Merck Chemicals in the United Kingdom, has found a way to boost electrical performance in polymers six-fold, putting the substance on par with so-called amorphous silicon. The discovery, published online this week by the journal Nature Materials, could lead to new methods for making monitors and other types of electronic devices. Instead of using a costly vacuum process to coat silicon on large panes of glass, manufacturers could spray a liquid polymer on tiny plastic parts, in much the way the nozzle of an inkjet printer sprays ink on paper. "It's a radically different manufacturing process," said Michael McGehee, one of the study's authors and a professor in Stanford University's Materials Science and Engineering Department. --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060323/80e94f7e/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Mar 24 12:05:09 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Fri Mar 24 12:05:21 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Western Union, SK Message-ID: <014201c64f75$dfd8c090$e4f31c18@mikey> As you may have heard, Western Union ended all their telegraph and telex services about a month ago. Their key is now silent. Western Union was one of the founders of industry that provides us global communication today; they are a direct ancestor of the Internet. Although I am saddened by their passing, I accept the necessity of change. Here is an excellent article on their history. -Mike --------------- Western Union and the Railroad Telegraphers Paul Harden For El Defensor Chieftain Last month, a briefly worded press release went nearly unnoticed. It simply read: "Effective January 27, 2006, Western Union will discontinue all Telegram and Commercial Messaging Services. We regret any inconvenience this may cause you, and we thank you for your loyal patronage." After 155 years, and millions of telegrams and Telex messages, a major part of American history quietly slipped into obscurity. For more than 100 years, Socorro was part of that history. With today's telephones, cell phones and e-mail, we can contact almost anyone we wish immediately and cheaply. This wasn't always the case. In Socorro's early days, and throughout the West, the mail was the only means of long-distance communications - and very slow mail at that. http://www.dchieftain.com/news/59586-03-04-06.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Mar 24 14:47:53 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Mar 24 14:48:12 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Early life created the continents Message-ID: <20060324214753.20558.qmail@mall-net.com> We have the Mound Builder Indians in the Mississippi river basin creating part ofthe geology ofthe area. Now it seems that photosynthetic life created the continents by making Granite possible. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18925444.200-and-life-created-continents.html My question is, if we went thought ice age cycles before with global warming 130,000 years ago, as we seem to have, what is really responsible for global warming? I just don't think we burned that much coal and oil 130,000 years ago. If life itself has enough energy to create the continents, are we hominids REALLY to blame for global warming? Or is it a part of the natural cycles of earth, and we hominids are, once again, scared of our own shadows? --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From clydelofton at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 21:13:37 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Fri Mar 24 21:14:34 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HYGIENE. Message-ID: <20060325041338.83224.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> NIKOLA TESLA PREDICTED A UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HYGIENE. IT IS NOW TIME TO TO MAKE SUCH A PREDICTION OF A UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HYGIENE INTO A MODERN DAY REALITY. CLYDE --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1?/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060324/b3423dcf/attachment.html From clydelofton at yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 19:06:01 2006 From: clydelofton at yahoo.com (clyde lofton) Date: Sat Mar 25 19:06:07 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE MONEY MASTERS. Message-ID: <20060326020601.51732.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> THE MONEY MASTERS: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8442305921010099392 --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1?/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060325/47c1a029/attachment.html From thrustmeister at netzero.net Sun Mar 26 05:46:20 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Sun Mar 26 05:48:53 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HYGIENE. Message-ID: <20060326.044706.14160.749441@webmail24.lax.untd.com> This sounds like a good idea; cleanliness is next to godliness, so hygiene is important. It can't be regulated, but it can certainly be taught. If our schools aren't succeeding, the government should step in and provide curriculum. Including striking a match in the event of flatulence - as an "air freshener". Methane kills, and can cause deep wrinkles if inhaled through the years, so it should be eliminated from your personal atmosphere. Clyde wrote: NIKOLA TESLA PREDICTED A UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HYGIENE. IT IS NOW TIME TO TO MAKE SUCH A PREDICTION OF A UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HYGIENE INTO A MODERN DAY REALITY.NIKOLA TESLA PREDICTED A UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HYGIENE. IT IS NOW TIME TO TO MAKE SUCH A PREDICTION OF A UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HYGIENE INTO A MODERN DAY REALITY. From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Mar 26 11:46:40 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sun Mar 26 11:46:50 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The new business model that works. Message-ID: <020b01c65105$9ee74200$e4f31c18@mikey> March 26, 2006, _The New York Times_ Under New Management Here's an Idea: Let Everyone Have Ideas By WILLIAM C. TAYLOR LIKE many top executives, James R. Lavoie and Joseph M. Marino keep a close eye on the stock market. But the two men, co-founders of Rite-Solutions, a software company that builds advanced - and highly classified - command-and-control systems for the Navy, don't worry much about Nasdaq or the New York Stock Exchange. Instead, they focus on an internal market where any employee can propose that the company acquire a new technology, enter a new business or make an efficiency improvement. These proposals become stocks, complete with ticker symbols, discussion lists and e-mail alerts. Employees buy or sell the stocks, and prices change to reflect the sentiments of the company's engineers, computer scientists and project managers - as well as its marketers, accountants and even the receptionist. "We're the founders, but we're far from the smartest people here," Mr. Lavoie, the chief executive, said during an interview at Rite-Solutions' headquarters outside Newport, R.I. "At most companies, especially technology companies, the most brilliant insights tend to come from people other than senior management. So we created a marketplace to harvest collective genius." That's a refreshing dose of humility from a successful C.E.O. with decades of experience in his field. (Mr. Lavoie, 59, is a Vietnam War veteran and an accomplished engineer who has devoted his career to military-oriented technologies.) Most companies operate under the assumption that big ideas come from a few big brains: the inspired founder, the eccentric inventor, the visionary boss. But there's a fine line between individual genius and know-it-all arrogance. What happens when rivals become so numerous, when technologies move so quickly, that no corporate honcho can think of everything? Then it's time to invent a less top-down approach to innovation, to make it everybody's business to come up with great ideas. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/26/business/yourmoney/26mgmt.html?th&em c=th or: http://snipurl.com/o71y From creolescience at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 13:22:57 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Sun Mar 26 13:23:05 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] hygiene - pro and con Message-ID: <20060326202257.85265.qmail@web36112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would only add that sometimes too much hygiene isn't so good. In our attempt to overly sanitize the world we have also weakened our immune systems by making them unexposed to naturally occurring germs and bacteria. Our ancestors grew and evolved in an environment that was full of germs and our immune systems were toughened, the way muscles are, through repeated exposure. We are so fearful of the naturally occurring germs that we scrub everything until it is sterile - meaning devoid of life. Is it any suprise that immune related diseases and over-prescribing of antibiotics is so high? Or that modern humans are so constitutionally weak, even with our scientific advances? I do my part by making sure that I don't necessarily clean everything so well. I rinse but not sterilize glasses and plates ( also to minimize chemical residue introduced into my body ) as well as other things. I haven't been sick in over a year and one half. When winter comes, I'm outdoors working and sweating in the rain and snow and don't get colds as long as I get proper rest and food. The Ubermench wasn't forged in tepid water. "This sounds like a good idea; cleanliness is next to godliness, so hygiene is important. It can't be regulated, but it can certainly be taught. If our schools aren't succeeding, the government should step in and provide curriculum. Including striking a match in the event of flatulence - as an "air freshener". Methane kills, and can cause deep wrinkles if inhaled through the years, so it should be eliminated from your personal atmosphere. Clyde wrote: NIKOLA TESLA PREDICTED A UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HYGIENE. IT IS NOW TIME TO TO MAKE SUCH A PREDICTION OF A UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HYGIENE INTO A MODERN DAY REALITY.NIKOLA TESLA PREDICTED A UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HYGIENE. IT IS NOW TIME TO TO MAKE SUCH A PREDICTION OF A UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HYGIENE INTO A MODERN DAY REALITY. --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060326/ee1afa8d/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Sun Mar 26 19:29:11 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sun Mar 26 19:29:12 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Mad Cow Legacy Message-ID: <022801c65146$385c6e20$e4f31c18@mikey> _The Times_, London, March 27, 2006 Hidden CJD is new threat to thousands By Nigel Hawkes, Health Editor THOUSANDS of people in Britain may be infected with variant CJD, the human equivalent of mad cow disease, without knowing it, research suggests. Experiments have confirmed that it is possible for a much wider group of people than had been assumed to be infected with the incurable brain condition. The presence in the population of undetected carriers of the infection has serious implications for the safety of the blood supply, and it increases the risk of passing on vCJD to others through infected surgical instruments. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2105795,00.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Mar 26 21:12:05 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Mar 26 21:12:19 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Re: [IMMUNE] Mad Cow Legacy In-Reply-To: <022801c65146$385c6e20$e4f31c18@mikey> from "Michael Best" at Mar 27, 2006 02:54:27 AM Message-ID: <20060327041205.74706.qmail@mall-net.com> > _The Times_, London, March 27, 2006 > > Hidden CJD is new threat to thousands > By Nigel Hawkes, Health Editor > > THOUSANDS of people in Britain may be infected with variant CJD, the > human equivalent of mad cow disease, without knowing it, research > suggests. It was all in the book "Deadly Feasts"! > Experiments have confirmed that it is possible for a much wider group > of people than had been assumed to be infected with the incurable > brain condition. The presence in the population of undetected carriers > of the infection has serious implications for the safety of the blood > supply, and it increases the risk of passing on vCJD to others through > infected surgical instruments. Some take 20 to 50 years to show symptoms. It's all because of the promiscuous eating of beef, and the act of turning cows into both cannibals and coprovores through the wonders of modern cattle raising. One cow in one or two million will get BSE spontaneously -- no matter what they do! We slaughter something close to SEVEN Million cows each year. Promiscuous eating of beef -- the eating of many, many different cows so that if one in several thousand cattle have some disease, you have an exceedingly high chance of be exposed to it in the course of several years. The steak you eat today is not from the same cow you ate yesterday, nor the same cow you drank your milk from. And we are particularly at risk, as many of us take supplements that are in Gelatin capsules, prepared from cow bones. How many cows did you eat a part of yesterday? Two? Ten? How many in a year??? 600? 1200? Ten years, 6,000 to 12,000. One chance in ten of accidentally eating a mad cow? What about a cow that had some strange virus? Was it cooked hot enough? Not for prions, it wasn't! Coprovores? Cows are fed chicken excreta in their food for nitrogen. Chicken are then fed cow excreta for nitrogen. BSE results in, among other things, a particular problem in the intestinal tract. Till recently, cows were also fed cow bones for calcium. And that is one way they believe BSE was spread. Bones! Yep, Gelatin. Capsules and Jello! Me? I'm not eating commercially ranched animals. That's it folks. I can't trust the industry. I stopped eating any beef products in the mid 90's. That's it folks! No more! http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/madcow.html > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2105795,00.html -J- (John, Javilk@mall-net.com) CAUTION: I'm no doctor, I only tell computers what to do. Nothing in this document should be construed as medical advice. My opinions are subject to the availability of information. I learn new things each day, and so may change my opinions. For long lasting relief, consult a doctor who practices orthomolecular medicine. Ask, and I'll recommend mine. Today's Art Photo Chem / Fungus allergies Dr. Cathcart / Vit C. Arthritis Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com . All rights reserverd. From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Mar 27 11:53:56 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Mon Mar 27 11:54:07 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The cure for Mad Cow Disease! Message-ID: <000a01c651cf$ce213240$e4f31c18@mikey> In-vitro meat production! No animal needed! http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060327.wxmeat27/B NStory/Science/ or http://snipurl.com/o9dp -Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060327/19071e76/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Mon Mar 27 13:59:55 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 27 14:00:07 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The cure for Mad Cow Disease! Message-ID: <2ab.94906e.3159ac4b@aol.com> .----You could feel good about eating a healthy breakfast; the meat would have the fat profile .of .salmon, not pork. One day, the truly adventurous may be able to grow ostrich, wild boar, or other game.------ Reading the article made me ANGRY that I will not live to see man made meat become a fact. I would love to see the religious folks out there who will appose this science. Marching end mass to government centers all over the globe, holding placards stating,---- "ONLY GOD CAN MAKE A COW" -----"CHICKENS COME FROM EGGS, NOT TEST TUBES"------. "Then the counter protesters signs ----" SAVE OUR PEOPLE FROM HUNGER' -----WE NEED PROTINE"----------" WHERES THE BEEF"-------- My company makes this product called Quorn. It is so weird, they take the roots from mushrooms, spin it around in a centrifuge. They skim the froth off this mess and dry it. They add spices and stuff, chop it into small blocks, bread it, freeze it. I cannot tell the difference between this, and chicken nuggets .YUMMIE. The research into meat substitutes are amazing but nothing can replace meat in our diet. If there is anyway to actually make meat without having to farm millions of actual animals, the ramifications are wider then the invention of fire. Good points============== No one on earth goes hungry...The brains of millions of children will develop faster .... People eating the fish meat as in Asia will be healthier stronger bodies, All over the world the elderly will live longer with fewer health problems... Bad points========Over population in 3rd world countries...Over population in of the elderly in 1st. world countries. Wars over who owns the meat....wide spread riots over anything and everything because, just because they can. Please join in with your pros and cons to this idea of everyone getting a free- or cheap lunch. Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060327/620b2113/attachment.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 14:07:58 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Mon Mar 27 14:08:19 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] In-vitro meat production! No animal needed Message-ID: <20060327210758.76884.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm for it if it tastes good without any side effects. Imagine, it could be engineered to have all the RDA of vitmamins and amino acids without any of the downside. Think of it as a food replicator from Star trek. Speaking of which, why can't we clone gasohol, the Japanese gas made from cow excrement and whale oil while we are at it? Once the process is cheap enough it could eliminate the need for foreign oil. And Whale oil was noted for burning cleanly without smell. --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060327/d8659d19/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Mon Mar 27 18:56:56 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Mon Mar 27 18:57:00 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] In-vitro meat production! No animal needed In-Reply-To: <20060327210758.76884.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from "j s" at Mar 27, 2006 01:07:58 PM Message-ID: <20060328015656.41857.qmail@mall-net.com> > I'm for it if it tastes good without any side effects. Imagine, it > could be engineered to have all the RDA of vitmamins and amino acids > without any of the downside. Think of it as a food replicator from > Star trek. A boof is worth a couple hundred bucks, Under a thousand, at any rate. the equipment required to perfuse, nourish, etc. bovine meat is probably worth a hundred thousand dollars. A boof, allowed to mature and mated with a cow, can replicate. The equipment, allowed to mature, becomes obsolete. A boof, eats cheap grass. the equipment requires expensive sterile USP grade amino acids in large quantities. Cheaper, is raising plants, grinding them up, and making vegetable protein based burgers. > Speaking of which, why can't we clone gasohol, the Japanese gas made > from cow excrement and whale oil while we are at it? Once the process > is cheap enough it could eliminate the need for foreign oil. And > Whale oil was noted for burning cleanly without smell. Whale oil use contravenes international treaties. Whales have large brains. They may even be intelligent enough not to talk to us. Excrement gasoline is limited laboratory production. We don't have enough boofs to make it, nor fund it. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From creolescience at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 13:18:11 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Tue Mar 28 13:18:30 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Call me Ishmael Message-ID: <20060328201811.17888.qmail@web36104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> " Whale oil use contravenes international treaties. Whales have large brains. They may even be intelligent enough not to talk to us. " Ah, but treaties do allow for a certain amount of whales to be taken yearly for scientific purposes. Once we have some whale oil we could then create nanites or something ( down the road obviously ) and clone / replicate it - if it is cheaper ( and it may not be ) to make than petroleum then we have a good source of fuel. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20060328/56025dd1/attachment.html From mbest at triad.rr.com Tue Mar 28 21:10:33 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Tue Mar 28 21:10:55 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] And it continues on... Message-ID: <014501c652e6$bb7831d0$e4f31c18@mikey> _The Times_, London, March 29, 2006 Chinese foreign reserves to exceed $1 trillion By Jane Macartney in Beijing and Gary Duncan CHINA?s foreign exchange reserves, swollen by its huge export earnings, have outstripped those of Japan to become the world?s largest and are on course to exceed $1 trillion (?570 billion) before the year?s end. China?s reserves finally overhauled Japan?s in scale at the end of February, climbing to $853.7 billion, the country?s China Business News said yesterday. Official reserves figures are released only quarterly by the central bank, the People?s Bank of China, and are not due until the middle of next month. Stephen Green, an economist with Standard Chartered, said that China?s vast stash of foreign assets now dwarfed that of Japan when measured as a share of each country?s gross domestic product. In cash terms Japan?s own reserves presently stand at $832 billion. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13132-2108873,00.html From thrustmeister at netzero.net Wed Mar 29 03:43:33 2006 From: thrustmeister at netzero.net (thrustmeister@netzero.net) Date: Wed Mar 29 03:45:02 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Forward From Clyde Message-ID: <20060329.024346.9435.701700@webmail22.lax.untd.com> I'm forwarding the following three messages from Clyde, since he left the list. I'm leaving too; there's nothing really "Mad Scientist" here - just science discussion. Anyone want to make a smoke bomb from flour and sugar? -Jerry PLEASE KINDLY FORWARD THIS COMPILATION TO THE MAD SCIENTISTS LIST, IF POSSIBLE. THANKS SINCERELY, CLYDE NATURAL GAS SAFETY: http://www.pp.okstate.edu/ehs/Gas-apt.htm SEWER GAS SAFETY: http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extnews/newsrelease/2001/022201/10lowtem.htm THE ADVENTURES OF CAPTAIN UNDERPANTS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Underpants AREVA; YOUR GLOBAL PARTNER IN HELPING TO FURTHER THE NUCLEAR THREAT OF GLOBAL NUCLEAR TERRORISM: http://www.areva.com HALLIBURTON; YOUR GLOBAL PARTNER IN HELPING TO FURTHER THE THREAT OF PETROCHEMICAL GLOBAL TERRORISM: http://www.halliburton.com/ SEARCH TOPIC: MULTIPLEX BROADBAND DECIPHERING TECHNOLOGY / BROADBAND MULTIPLEX DECIPHERING TECHNOLOGY: AS FAR AS I GOT IN THE ABOVE SEARCH: KOMMUNE-ICATION: http://www.eco.utexas.edu/faculty/Norman/long/comm.html JERRY, I'VE UNSUBSCRIBED FROM THE MAD SCIENTISTS LIST, THOUGH I WANTED TO PUT THE BELOW WEBSITE ON THE MAD SCIENTISTS LIST. SINCERELY, CLYDE http://www.eco.utexas.edu/faculty/Norman/long/comm.html From javilk at mall-net.com Wed Mar 29 03:51:00 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Wed Mar 29 03:51:12 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Forward From Clyde In-Reply-To: <20060329.024346.9435.701700@webmail22.lax.untd.com> from "thrustmeister@netzero.net" at Mar 29, 2006 10:43:33 AM Message-ID: <20060329105100.24791.qmail@mall-net.com> > I'm forwarding the following three messages from Clyde, since he left th= > e list. I'm leaving too; there's nothing really "Mad Scientist" here - = > just science discussion. What do you want, madness discussion? Come to think of it, we've had that already; too much of it. Ghandi said something to the effect of 'be an example of the kind of society you want to see.' So what mad science things are you doing? --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved.