From mbest at triad.rr.com Mon Oct 2 13:41:23 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Mon Oct 2 13:41:35 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Reactionless thrust Message-ID: <005a01c6e663$214b4690$6400a8c0@mikey> Although I have worked with magnetic fields to generate reactionless thrust, there is no theoretical reason that electric fields cannot also be used- after all, they are two aspects of the same field. Here is some work done in Hungary on electrostatic reactionless engines: http://bmiklos2000.freeweb.hu/english.htm From creolescience at yahoo.com Fri Oct 6 19:32:51 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Fri Oct 6 19:33:01 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Monster skeleton found Message-ID: <20061007023251.21625.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ( perhaps this is the sea monsters like the Kraken that persisted in mythology. I mean just because the dinosaurs died off - supposedly - millions of years ago doesn't mean that sea life did. remember the COELACANTH. ) Back to Story - Help "Monster" fossil found in Jurassic graveyard By Alister Doyle, Environment CorrespondentThu Oct 5, 3:32 PM ET Scientists have found a fossil of a "Monster" fish-like reptile in a 150 million-year-old Jurassic graveyard on an Arctic island off Norway. The Norwegian researchers discovered remains of a total of 28 plesiosaurs and ichthyosaurs -- top marine predators when dinosaurs dominated on land -- at a site on the island of Spitsbergen, about 1,300 km (800 miles) from the North Pole. "One of them was this gigantic monster, with vertebrae the size of dinner plates and teeth the size of cucumbers," Joern Hurum, an assistant professor at the University of Oslo, told Reuters on Thursday. "We believe the skeleton is intact and that it's about 10 meters (33 feet) long," he told Reuters of the pliosaur, a type of plesiosaur with a short neck and massive skull. The team dubbed the specimen "The Monster." Such pliosaurs are known from remains in countries including Britain and Argentina but no complete skeleton has been found, he said. The skull of the pliosaur -- perhaps a distant relative to Scotland's mythical Loch Ness monster -- was among the biggest on record. Scientists would return next year to try to excavate the entire fossil, buried on a hillside. Plesiosaurs, which swam with two sets of flippers, often preyed on smaller dolphin-like ichthyosaurs. All went extinct when the dinosaurs vanished 65 million years ago. The scientists rated the fossil graveyard "one of the most important new sites for marine reptiles to have been discovered in the last several decades." "It is rare to find so many fossils in the same place -- carcasses are food for other animals and usually get torn apart," Hurum said. Hurum reckoned the reptiles had not all died at the same time in some Jurassic-era cataclysm but had died over thousands of years in the same area, then become preserved in what was apparently a deep layer of black mud on the seabed. At that time, the area of Spitsbergen under water several hundred km (miles) further south, around the latitude of Anchorage or Oslo. Hurum said the presence of fossils was also an interesting pointer for geologists hunting for oil and gas deposits in the Barents Sea to the east. "A skull we found even smells of petrol," he said. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20061006/474bc81a/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Oct 13 09:16:01 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Oct 13 09:24:09 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] We need more Lawyers! Message-ID: <20061013161601.52861.qmail@mall-net.com> We need more Lawyers! What, you ask, those sharks who befoul.... No. We need more PHYSICS lawyers! We need the kind of contemptful minds that argue and find all the loopholes for a given situation. We need THAT kind of lawyer to find us the loopholes for nearly limitless energy, nullification of gravity, faster than light travel, and other situations that physicists, real physicists who respect the laws of physics, can't seem to bring themselves to even look for. So in a kind of turn-about of the lawyer schools that entice science and engineering students to the dark side, we need to entice fine legal minds to the darker side of physics. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Oct 14 14:53:35 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Oct 14 14:53:47 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] We need more Lawyers! Message-ID: In a message dated 10/13/2006 12:24:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: So in a kind of turn-about of the lawyer schools that entice science and engineering students to the dark side, we need to entice fine legal minds to the darker side of physics. To do what ??????? Lawyers are there to enforce or to protect humans according to the laws that civilization uses to keep the peace. Lawyers are not there in life to do anything but either keep people out of jail, or put them in the slammer. We have lawyers to protect are material interests----Wills, real estate, contracts between people involved in business contracts. One gets a lawyer if their dog bites the mail man, someone slips on the door step,or you get hit on the head at Walmart when something falls on you. Car Accidents call for lawyers, Lord knows anything you deserve to get is eaten up by the legal fees. Dear Javilk, what can a person trained in debate, a person who can twist words and razz el dazzle 12 people with slight of hand, sub- lineal body language, and the ability to convince 12 people that black is white------What can these people contribute to physics ??????? Please help me to understand why you think as you do. Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20061014/fe38bd80/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Oct 14 22:34:23 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Oct 14 22:34:30 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] We need more Lawyers! In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Oct 14, 2006 05:53:35 PM Message-ID: <20061015053423.53989.qmail@mall-net.com> > So in a kind of turn-about of the lawyer schools that entice > science and engineering students to the dark side, we need to entice > fine legal minds to the darker side of physics. > > > > To do what ??????? > Dear Javilk, what can a person trained in debate, a person who can twist > words and razz el dazzle 12 people with slight of hand, sub- lineal body > language, and the ability to convince 12 people that black is white------What can > these people contribute to physics ??????? The profession of law includes the ATTITUDE and INCLINATION of looking for a lot of loopholes, the implications not explicitly covered, in the law. A physicist is, in a lot of ways, a generalist on a narrow topic, extending the narrow example of experiment to formulate a general case. A lawyer is an objectionist, taking the general case and looking for the holes not explicitly covered. I rest my case. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Oct 15 04:17:37 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sun Oct 15 04:17:47 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] We need more Lawyers! Message-ID: <4aa.35c00cbf.326372d1@aol.com> In a message dated 10/15/2006 1:34:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: The profession of law includes the ATTITUDE and INCLINATION of looking for a lot of loopholes, the implications not explicitly covered, in the law. A physicist is, in a lot of ways, a generalist on a narrow topic, extending the narrow example of experiment to formulate a general case. A lawyer is an objectionist, taking the general case and looking for the holes not explicitly covered. I rest my case. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Not so fast here. You cannot rest a case that is just mumbo-jumbo. What you are looking for is a DETECTIVE. You need to get people who are trained to look for the " out of place " issues. Most people see what they expect to see, without proper training we simply don't see what are abnormalities. Then you also need people who can suspend judgment on what they come across. These people will need to be able to throw away conceptions from their teachings, the very religion of their chosen professions. Tenacious, deep diggers, people who pay attention to their dreams, remember the DNA dream of spirals?? Lawyers take known facts and then look for loop holes. A detective takes the unknown and turns it inside out. Instinct ,a 6th. sense for the " This is not right " feeling. Now I kind of, sort of rest my case, but I remain open minded and curious. Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20061015/30c0a574/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Oct 15 04:25:09 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Oct 15 04:25:13 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] We need more Lawyers! In-Reply-To: <4aa.35c00cbf.326372d1@aol.com> from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Oct 15, 2006 07:17:37 AM Message-ID: <20061015112509.89379.qmail@mall-net.com> > The profession of law includes the ATTITUDE and INCLINATION of > looking for a lot of loopholes, the implications not explicitly covered, > in the law. > Not so fast here. You cannot rest a case that is just mumbo-jumbo. Ok, tell you what, you take the mumbo, and I'll take the jumbo. > What you are looking for is a DETECTIVE. You need to get people who are > trained to look for the " out of place " issues. Them too! > Tenacious, deep diggers, people who pay attention to their dreams, remember > the DNA dream of spirals?? Right! Experimentalists, theoreticians, lawyers to find the loopholes, detectives to try to make something of the loose ends. Oh wait, those are the theoreticians. > Lawyers take known facts and then look for loop holes. A detective takes the > unknown and turns it inside out. Instinct ,a 6th. sense for the " This is > not right " feeling. We need more kinds of people in Physics. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Oct 15 06:20:26 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sun Oct 15 06:20:36 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] We need more Lawyers! Message-ID: We need more kinds of people in Physics. Yup, we sure do. We need these people in every walk of life. I like the renegades, those who think outside the box, the people that question their educators and don't give a fig about conventional thinking. It amazes me that in our country, with the Internet, fine schools, kids coming up that are twice as stimulated with technology as we were, (back in the dark ages ) we now lag behind 20 of so other country's in education. Heck, we got to the moon using slide rules, show one to a kid today and they are nonplussed. We split the atom with the slide rule, we got off planet with out today's computers or soft ware. We created a civilization to equal none with no hand held calculators, no way to communicate at a distance but by the telephone, or telegraph. Teachers teach what they were taught, so if the information was warped in the beginning, 3 or 4 generations will be going about their lives trying to understand why their path is so difficult. When have we ever had a teacher who when looking at their course of study ever investigated the subject. beyond what they were taught and their teachers were taught ???? We really need to teach our children about politics, the art of bringing like minded people together. You get a really smart kid from a everyday home, just trying to pay the bills and educate their children. Then you have a not so smart kid from a family with wealth-big money. Both children apply for a government grant in the same field. Who gets the grant ?? Who has the ability to call in a few favors and give some big money to the University their child goes to ??? Our best and brightest are being horn-swaggled today. It has become a "we don't care what you know, we want to know who you know " world. We no longer teach our children how to think, we have all these nifty technology toys, teachers that just repeat the mantra they were taught, and hells bells if a kid does any research on a taught subject and proves their teacher wrong------a gifted child goes down the drain. I cannot imagine the hell a gifted young adult must go through every day. working day to day with people who will not let go of their preconceived notions. The gifted come out of a state University, the mediocre some how managed to get through an Ivy League school. Ideas from the bottom of the class at MIT are held in esteem over a young kid from some bodunk school as State. But here I am rambling along like a drunken sailor in Shangi and I want to know the answer to one question. How come we got off planet with the slide ruld 30 some odd years ago and now with all the tecknowledgy that has dropped in our lap, we still have not gone to Mars ????? The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20061015/b3b57914/attachment-0001.html From creolescience at yahoo.com Sun Oct 15 19:11:39 2006 From: creolescience at yahoo.com (j s) Date: Sun Oct 15 19:11:44 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] slide rulers rule! Message-ID: <20061016021139.26205.qmail@web36113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "How come we got off planet with the slide ruld 30 some odd years ago and now with all the tecknowledgy that has dropped in our lap, we still have not gone to Mars ?????" Because we aren't sufficiently motivated . JFK and the Russians motivated the US to break new ground. We already know what's there ( sort of ) so "because it's there" is not a sufficient reason anymore for the average person. Personally I'd rather see the cash going to Mars than Iraq :) Oh - off the subject - anyone know about any Tesla projects like jet packs etc? I know he did a few turbine type engines and am looking to base some storyline ideas on fact for a comic I'm working on. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20061015/d54530e2/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Oct 15 20:14:19 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sun Oct 15 20:14:24 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] We need more Lawyers! In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Oct 15, 2006 09:20:26 AM Message-ID: <20061016031419.15092.qmail@mall-net.com> >> We need more kinds of people in Physics. > > Yup, we sure do. We need these people in every walk of life. > > I like the renegades, those who think outside the box, the people that > question their educators and don't give a fig about conventional thinking. The people who make revolutionary progress are typically not renegades, they are ignorant savages who mash existing technology together with an idea, or just to see what happens, not knowing what can't be done. Less frequently, someone well versed in the field tries something new that he thinks MIGHT work; but no one has tried yet. I mean, epoxies (or was it cyanoacrylates, I forget) were invented by a gal who smashed an expensive lens and wanted to glue it back together THAT NIGHT! She had some limited chemistry knowledge... and very limited inventory that night. Applications Generators were invented by a businessman who wanted some general purpose something. The professors told him he was nuts. Eventually, he managed to hire some people who gasped and picked up where he had hit the wall of total personal ignorance. and a bunch of other tales... > It amazes me that in our country, with the Internet, fine schools, kids > coming up that are twice as stimulated with technology as we were, (back in the > dark ages ) we now lag behind 20 of so other country's in education. Do we really? Are the means of measurement -- quantity of facts, really the measure of the man? Is it whether we know how to use our tools, how to calculate facts in an industrial setting? Or could it be the willingness to dream and experiment? And thereby CREATE the new industry? > Heck, we got to the moon using slide rules, show one to a kid today and they > are nonplussed. Slide rules are obsolete worthless junk!!! (But nice collector's items now rising in value.) The calculations were done by practical mathematicians who dedicated their entire lives to the mastery of numbers, and served others, often funded by the military, who needed various things calculated for building bridges, shooting shells, etc. etc. etc. Heck, how do you think the semiconductor industry got it's start? DoD was willing to fund the characterizations needed to understand how semiconductors worked! And all the research about orbits, calculating trajectories, all the early gigantic calculators, early computers, etc. (DoD paid for the internet too.) Today, you get several good mathematicians in a calculator not for $40,000 per year, not for $10,000 per year, but for $129.95 OR LESS! Stuff you use to have A WHOLE SHELF of math books and tables that took DAYS to months to calculate, can be done with a thin box that fits in your shirt pocket. And... does not slip digits the way even the best of the mathematicians occasionally did. Then you get something like Mathematica and other analytic packages... and you can do what a dozen PhD's would take a year to do, it a few hours to an afternoon. Mike will tell you that some of the packages he uses dramatically cut down the amount of physical experimentation needed because they, ah... what and how do they do it, Mike? Plus, the old stuff relied upon gross over-building things, used far less controls, was more balky, etc. etc. etc. Quite frankly, today we are doing things that were totally impossible using earlier technology. But then, that's the way it has always been in the growth of technology since the introduction of the mass produced arrowheads in the neolithic. (The arrowhead "factory" was somewhere in Southern Europe, importing stone from elsewhere, using a series of steps, apparently done by different people, to produce blanks, intermediate pieces, and then final product. The factory was quite successful; their output was traded across the whole of Europe. But for some reason, be it over-production, new technology, or plague amongst the workers; the venture went bust, leaving a lot of unfinished product in one place for archaeologists to discover.) > When have we ever had a teacher who when looking at their course of study > ever investigated the subject. beyond what they were taught and their teachers > were taught ???? Only when industry dis-employs them, and they end up being able to do nothing better than teach high school... It should be the other way around, with these guys not ending up teachers from desperation; but as a career objective near retirement. And not the university; but the high school and advanced (magnet) grade schools. > We really need to teach our children about politics, the art of bringing > like minded people together. That's not politics. It's presentation of ideas, networking, entrepreneurial skills, and the respect for one's fellow man rather than trying to gouge the most profit from the world. What it really is, is the art of WANTING to do something INTERESTING. And that, as Einstein once said, starts with Imagination and the inner belief that... when you hook your dream to a star... and give it some oomph from your brain, your shoulders, and some heat from the money you are willing to burn under it.... You have a CHANCE of getting something DONE! We need to teach the art of Dreaming and Wanting, not the shit of mathematics and physics! Why? Because when you WANT, you will WANT to learn all that nitty gritty "stuff" which is so essential to life today, so that you CAN do what you dream of doing! That is the basis of the best ways of teaching ever devised! School, regimented sit-at-your-boring-desk school is SHIT POURED INTO THE MINDS OF OUR YOUTH TO TEACH THEM THE FUTILITY OF TRYING TO GET EVEN A LIBRARY PASS!!! Nevermind a pass to get into the physics or chemistry lab to do some REAL research! How few kids ever really try to do anything interesting for their science projects??? Just look at the typical lab experiment -- you are told NOT to explore, just DO WHAT THE BOOK SAYS! And SHUT UP AND DON'T TALK!!! What, besides brainstorming, really gets the creative juices going??? NO TALKING!!! And you wonder why we have a generation of slovenly imbiciles walking the streets in gang clothes??? > You get a really smart kid from a everyday home, just trying to pay the > bills and educate their children. Then you have a not so smart kid from a family > with wealth-big money. Both children apply for a government grant in the > same field. Who gets the grant ?? Who has the ability to call in a few favors > and give some big money to the University their child goes to ??? And you know, I'll bet on the wealthy kid 80 - 90% of the time. Why? CONNECTIONS! If you can get this thing off the runway to 100 feet on your own... Or to 10,000 feet because of whom your daddy can get interested in your idea... Let me tell you, 10,000 feet clears one HELL of a lot more obstacles than 100 feet does!!! > Our best and brightest are being horn-swaggled today. It has become a "we > don't care what you know, we want to know who you know " world. Because it matters!!! And its' not just that, it's also that that kid has SEEN how others work, WANTS to be ON TOP, not screwing around with the technology itself; and thus will RUN THE BUSINESS, not spend the money perfecting the technology as the business goes to hell! (Yah, as I did in two businesses I started!) He knows what he wants, has had the richer experience of WANTING, TRYING, and DOING things. Why? Because THAT IS HOW HIS FATHER GOT RICHER than the dumb schmuck factory worker who beats his kid to keep him from "misbehaving" and so creates the misbehavior -- the same kind of misbehavior that the rich father REWARDS and ENCOURAGES in slightly different arenas to keep the kid from becoming a real juvenile delinquent. (Like my cousin nearly became.) So instead of trying to build the fast race car, that upper class kid (like myself and my friends) is trying to build model airplanes, trying to see how fast and far he can make a (safe model) rocket go, learning some math behind it, etc. etc. etc. The only REAL difference, is that the rich kid is encouraged to learn the value of his effort. The poor kid is sat upon to keep him "under control" and from doing ANYTHING that might give him the HABIT of DOING THINGS!!! How do I know? My first father encouraged me to do things. My second father was much, much more ridged. (Actually the same man, just the second was depressed due to bad side effects of high blood pressure medication. Day and Night difference!!!) Second, I've started and run Three technology businesses in my lifetime. All died for the lack of GOOD MARKETING! I was sitting there twiddling the technology as the marketing people I hired were screwing around, not doing the things that I should have been supervising and challenging them into doing. Developing the technology itself is NOT ENOUGH! Never was! Did the railroad barons invent the steam engine? No! They saw the big picture and organized things, MARKETED the idea and brought in the buyers of the service. Did Bill Gates invent the microcomputer? Hardly! He saw an opportunity, wrote some crappy software, MARKETED THE HELL OUT OF IT, and when the big chance came, he STOLE QDOS from some little two bit company (and ended up loosing the law suit in court) and MARKETED THE HELL OUT OF IT!!! Then he was hired to turn some other thief's variation of Xerox's STAR operating system into a visual something on der apfel strudel. Billy STOLE those already stolen ideas and turned them into a HUGE personal fortune. Why? Because he understood what the market NEEDED, could organize others into making it, and understood the value of MARKETING THE HELL OUT OF IT!!! In contrast, the other side, good as they were at creating new ideas (or dressing up old ones), ran a very distant second. Apple has a ton more creativity than moronsloth! (I did some work for them a while back... I did some work for SGI, too. SGI had a lot more creativity than Apple! Now Google owns their campus.) > We no longer teach our children how to think, we have all these nifty > technology toys, teachers that just repeat the mantra they were taught, and hells > bells if a kid does any research on a taught subject and proves their teacher > wrong------a gifted child goes down the drain. Exactly! Teach the kid THE VALUE OF HIS EFFORTS! That EFFORT CAN... not merely make one rich, for kids don't really care about the wealth, neither do a lot of rich people. They care about DOING SOMETHING INTERESTING and RUNNING SOMETHING. Because that, not money, is what gives life MEANING!!! With that point of view, a kid will veer into whatever gives him traction, be it monetary traction, or the kind of gritty traction that makes for Very INTERESTING STUFF TO DO! And sometimes, they hit it rich because the world needs what they like playing with. But more often it's someone else who makes far more for marketing it. So the inventor should make it a point to hire a marketing person early on; not the other way around. > I cannot imagine the hell a gifted young adult must go through every day. > working day to day with people who will not let go of their preconceived > notions. Well, I did go through that hell over and over again. > The gifted come out of a state University, the mediocre some how managed to > get through an Ivy League school. Ideas from the bottom of the class at MIT > are held in esteem over a young kid from some bodunk school as State. Actually, places like the ivy league schools do well at inspiring action and ideas. When you enter the ivy league, you are expected to do a hell of a lot more than the guys who enter Podunk State U. And over time, that expectation is a huge multiplier because instead of being happy with what you are doing, you are not content and want to do more. Where the kid in Podunk U has his own expectations, and has some work ethics and some brains, he generally gets near what he wants out of life. > But here I am rambling along like a drunken sailor in Shangi and I want to > know the answer to one question. If you don't ramble, you don't uncover new ground. > How come we got off planet with the slide ruld 30 some odd years ago and now > with all the tecknowledgy that has dropped in our lap, we still have not > gone to Mars ????? It's the lack of vision of the poly chickens coupled with the lack of vocal advocates to the masses. We were good kids. We didn't rock the boat. "Sidown sidown yer rockin da boat!" ("Guys and Dolls") Tomorrow is what WE make with our minds, our muscle, and most of all with the gripes that get us off our duff and DOING things! At least that's my point of view? What's YOUR point of view? The only way we can change the world, is by starting to talk about it. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From Vesta111 at aol.com Thu Oct 19 13:04:57 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Thu Oct 19 13:05:26 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) Message-ID: _http://www.world-science.net/othernews/061014_dough.htm_ (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/061014_dough.htm) At last, a man after my own heart. Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20061019/e2dcf1bd/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Fri Oct 20 04:56:11 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Fri Oct 20 04:56:28 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out Chicago Reader: Atlantis Ho! Message-ID: <53c.938ee70.326a135b@aol.com> _Chicago Reader: Atlantis Ho!_ (http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/roguearchaeologist/) The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20061020/f37b6ec7/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Oct 21 15:21:27 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Oct 21 15:21:40 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Check out RichardDawkins.net - The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Message-ID: _RichardDawkins.net - The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science_ (http://www.richarddawkins.net/ourMission) so what do you think of this ?????? Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20061021/37d86878/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Oct 21 16:55:30 2006 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Oct 21 16:55:43 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) Message-ID: On October 12th, at the CATO Institute, Michael Shermer, author of _Why Darwin Matters_ (http://www.skeptic.com/productlink/b111HB) , presented his case against intelligent design in a debate with Jonathan Wells, Senior Fellow, Center for Science and Culture, Discovery Institute. _WATCH the video >_ (http://www.cato.org/realaudio/cbf-10-12-06.ram) _LISTEN to the podcast >_ (http://www.catomedia.org/archive-2006/cbfa-10-12-06.mp3) ok folks , who won the debate ???? Seems to me, these two are either really MAD scientists or very cleaver at using their degrees to sell their books. I spent a couple hours watching the video over and over again just to try to understand who made the most sense to me. I had to put aside my own beliefs and traditions, all I was taught in school and really knuckle down for this. PLEASE give me some input on this, these two have given me brain freeze. Regards Vesta The greatest gift I was given as a child, was the love of the written word. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20061021/5477f8dd/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Oct 21 17:22:42 2006 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Oct 21 17:22:51 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Oct 21, 2006 07:55:30 PM Message-ID: <20061022002243.16963.qmail@mall-net.com> > On October 12th, at the CATO Institute, Michael Shermer, author of _Why > Darwin Matters_ (http://www.skeptic.com/productlink/b111HB) , presented his case > against intelligent design in a debate with Jonathan Wells, Senior Fellow, > Center for Science and Culture, Discovery Institute. > _WATCH the video >_ (http://www.cato.org/realaudio/cbf-10-12-06.ram) > _LISTEN to the podcast >_ > (http://www.catomedia.org/archive-2006/cbfa-10-12-06.mp3) It is a given that our design will appear somewhat intelligent. Why? Because those design choices (random selections) which did not have some semblance of intelligence (aka correctness, usability, survivability, etc.) did not produce us. Thus, in the instances (universes) where those were made, we did not result, and could not contemplate such "unintelligent creation." And since we have no means of peering across the instantiation horizon to see other instances of creations, we can not compare results intelligently. All we may deduce, is that since we are, there is a creator. We do not know what, exactly, it created, how it created whatever it created, nor much about what it is or was. But for some of us, that is enough that we do, on occasion, thank Our Creator for our existance. As well we should; for the act of thanking reminds us of what we thank for -- that our existance, our self awareness and our potential for action, is quite rare in the universe, and that we should appreciate such so that we not waste our existance. (As some portion of humanity seems prone to do.) Now, whether you believe Our Creator will alter the rules to confer you special advantages... ah... Historically, even Popes die. (I believe we recently noticed that. Again.) Thus I would presume it is up to us to confer upon ourselves advantages. And given the tendency of groups of people to go further, live longer, etc.; there would seem some advantage of assisting the group as well as the self. From that "enlightened self interest", comes what some may call morality, "do unto others...", etc. etc. etc. But I think we may also deduce that it is unto us to develop our talents and skills as much as possible since they may benefit us and our fellow team or world members. This makes the argument of intelligent creation vs evolution superfluous. How's that for a logical approach to life? --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2006, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From mbest at triad.rr.com Fri Oct 27 18:09:41 2006 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Fri Oct 27 18:09:56 2006 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Another Star Trek device becomes reality Message-ID: <00cb01c6fa2d$bff33fe0$6400a8c0@mikey> But I still want a transporter! >From my alma mater: First Demonstration of a Working Invisibility Cloak The cloak, made with advanced 'metamaterials,' deflects microwave beams and may find a variety of wireless communications or radar applications Thursday, October 19, 2006 Durham, NC -- A team led by scientists at Duke University's Pratt School of Engineering has demonstrated the first working "invisibility cloak." The cloak deflects microwave beams so they flow around a "hidden" object inside with little distortion, making it appear almost as if nothing were there at all. Cloaks that render objects essentially invisible to microwaves could have a variety of wireless communications or radar applications, according to the researchers. http://dukenews.duke.edu/2006/10/cloakdemo.html