From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Apr 21 08:59:14 2007 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 21 08:59:31 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Star Wars Planets Message-ID: ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20070421/ba67b5fd/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Apr 21 10:25:17 2007 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 21 10:25:44 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) Message-ID: Question for you out there. I have gained an interest in of all things the genetics of the CAT. Yup-o, never thought I would go down this road but here I am walking the yellow line. The weird part is my long passion for the chemistry involved in baking has gone up the tube. This all began when I decided I wanted a cat, not just any cat but Americas only indigenes house cat. So I plunked down close to $1,000 hard earned bucks to get the biggest house cat in the world, the Maine Coon Cat. A few weeks after getting the Monster, 4 months old and 5 lbs, I attended a cat show. First time ever and brought family along. We all who have our passion for science went a bit nuts at what we were seeing. Hundreds of every day house cats that are being modified to look like their wild ancestors. There were 2 breeds that have been breed to look like no cat I have ever seen or who has ever lived on earth before. You know, I can follow my everlasting passion for chemestry in baking and never find one thing that will make a hill of beans. Here I was surrounded by everyday people most with little education practicing genetics and making tons of money from it. An example is the Oscicat that has been bread to look exactly like a miniature Ocelot. Took our breath away, he was the spitting image of the South American cats that were worshiped by the Inca. Max weight as an adult 8 lbs, cost for a kitten $5,000. I met one Dude there from Canada who is involved in the Lion Project. These people are within 2 or 3 generations of coming up with a house cat that will look exactly like the African lion. A generation is about 6 months. The people involved in this genetic experiment are as wild eyed as an out house rat. Kind of spooked us. Their claim is that the wild species of all cats world wide are becoming extinct. Their aim is to replicate the looks of the cats since all cats have the same nature. The common house cat is exactly like the others, it is only size that is the difference. Ever own a cat, well if you have you may suspect this is very true. Ever dream of owning a Bengal tiger or a Snow Leopard, seems like now you can and the beastie won't weigh but 8-10 lbs. As I look at my Monster, now only 8 months old weighing in at 12 lbs with 3 years to go before he reaches adult hood, I have to wonder was I out of my mind to buy this All American cat ? So what do you think of genetic tampering by house wives, farmers and grandmas who find a strange looking kitten in the barn ?? ( Grandma now has,inside plumbing in the house and a Lexus in the drive.way.) If worse comes to worse and the Indian Tiger were to become extinct, would any of you want a friendly house cat that was a mirror image of the lost beast ? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20070421/cc37bfb7/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Apr 21 10:51:24 2007 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Apr 21 10:51:30 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Apr 21, 2007 01:25:17 PM Message-ID: <20070421175124.23352.qmail@mall-net.com> > So I plunked down close to $1,000 hard earned bucks to get the biggest house > cat in the world, the Maine Coon Cat. ... out of sequence... > As I look at my Monster, now only 8 months old weighing in at 12 lbs with 3 > years to go before he reaches adult hood, I have to wonder was I out of my > mind to buy this All American cat ? If that's what it takes to wake up your brain to the curiosities of this world, and keep it awake, then that's ok. It helps if you have spare change, but sometimes that is not the important criteria -- waking up your brain is! > Here I was surrounded by everyday people most with little education > practicing genetics and making tons of money from it. Little education? Compared to what??? The people of today are WAY, WAY ahead of what's his name of the Bible who got to keep all the black sheep, and so bred them to be black. They are also ahead of Gregor Mendel, who more formally postulated what the practical farmer already knew deep down inside, bu had no words to express with any rigor. > Their claim is that the wild species of all cats world wide are becoming > extinct. Their aim is to replicate the looks of the cats since all cats have the > same nature. The common house cat is exactly like the others, it is only > size that is the difference. Cats-OS, as some of us call it, is NOT the same from cat to cat. Size and gender are but two of the Many variables. > So what do you think of genetic tampering by house wives, farmers and > grandmas who find a strange looking kitten in the barn ?? ( Grandma now > has,inside plumbing in the house and a Lexus in the drive.way.) It's been going on for millennia. Only now with the internet, do we find each other, find we are not alone, and get to share our efforts over a larger gene pool. > If worse comes to worse and the Indian Tiger were to become extinct, would > any of you want a friendly house cat that was a mirror image of the lost beast The status seekers among us likely would. I have no personal interest in being owned by a cat. You can own a dog. A cat owns you. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2007, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From mbest at triad.rr.com Sat Apr 21 12:43:05 2007 From: mbest at triad.rr.com (Michael Best) Date: Sat Apr 21 12:43:07 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Automatic Mousetraps running CATS-OS [Re: to Vesta] In-Reply-To: <20070421190003.9CA493F414@kang.vjc.com> Message-ID: <001b01c7844d$498f8840$6400a8c0@mikey> > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:25:17 EDT > From: Vesta111@aol.com > Question for you out there. > > I have gained an interest in of all things the genetics of the CAT. I've been that way for years, and have accumulated many empirical observations. Maybe I'm a feline Mendel? > The weird part is my long passion for the chemistry involved in > baking has gone up the tube. Oh, I still cook and bake, but I have a ready supply of Dispos-Alls for my failures! > Hundreds of every day house cats that are being modified to look > like their wild ancestors. That is easy, since Automatic Mousetraps breed nearly as fast as bacteria. With an eight-week gestation period, it is possible to produce three batches per year. The following year, those will be mature enough to breed another generation. > There were 2 breeds that have been breed to look like no cat I have > ever seen or who has ever lived on earth before. I have one kitten now, running version 3 of the Consolidated Active Troublemaking System, that looks like a Siamese- except in monochrome! Beautiful little feller! Solid steel grey, with black points. I'll send you pix backchannel. > You know, I can follow my everlasting passion for chemestry in > baking and never find one thing that will make a hill of beans. You and me both! > Here I was surrounded by everyday people most with little education > practicing genetics and making tons of money from it. Well, they practice selective breeding. And money can be made, if one can bring oneself to sell the sweet little creatures. > So what do you think of genetic tampering by house wives, farmers > and grandmas who find a strange looking kitten in the barn ?? ( > Grandma now has inside plumbing in the house and a Lexus in the > driveway.) I think that's good, old-fashioned Capitalism! > If worse comes to worse and the Indian Tiger were to become extinct, > would any of you want a friendly house cat that was a mirror image > of the lost beast? Hell yes! -MB From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Apr 22 08:38:38 2007 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sun Apr 22 08:38:51 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] (no subject) Message-ID: In a message dated 4/21/2007 1:51:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: The status seekers among us likely would. I have no personal interest in being owned by a cat. You can own a dog. A cat owns you. Same as having children, or getting married for that part. Come to think about your statement, I am now owned by two dogs, ankle biters and have in the past been owned by 120 pound brutes. What is it about these beasties that capture our lives ?? When I had kids I would write on the calendar the dates of their required inoculations. with Fido or Fluffy I just knew --oops, time to get them to the vet. In the cat world there are ridged rules to follow to show these animals. One showing their cats goes back to the early 1800 when the farmers or seaport dwellers in the State of Maine would gather in taverns and town squares and brag about their cats ability to protect their crops or fishing boats from vermin. This is how the whole shebang started with the huge interest in cats in America and later England and France. You cannot compare the human history of fellow ship between a dog or cat. Both animals have a use that is invaluable to humans. The American Indians came to a cultural stop because ,they for religious beliefs, never attempted to use any animals or birds (falcons) to aid them. The rest of the world not only used these animals to hunt, kill vermin, carry loads of goods, or pull carts, they ate their meat and wore their hides. There is no where on earth at this time where Dogs of any kind are endangered. Wolves may have a hard time of it in some places but they survive. Cats now, the BIG ones are another kettle of fish. Wolves and coyotes are not Dogs. They come from a different branch on the tree of life. Cats, are cats, Big ones, small ones, wild or tame, there is no difference between a baby Siamese and a Snow Leopard baby.. It is size that matters here. Dogs are scavengers, they find a fresh kill and they will eat it all up.-------Cats are killers, they will bring you a mouse and lay it at your feet for approval. The people I met at the cat show are working day and night to preserve the cat imagine if all the big cats were to be hunted out, killed, and gone from the earth. Now I think you may be wondering what the heck this has to do with science. Well, I believe that the very things under our nose that we take for granted, are just a part of our lives are brushed aside. Ever wonder how some ancient civilization came up with ways to do things that we in this so called enlightened day cannot explain ? Just to say you own dogs and cats own you, is no excuse to not look into why that is. Once the African elephant is gone from the earth, would it not be a hoot to have a replica of the beast only 12 inches tall running about the living room, hauling fire wood to the stove, pulling your laundry basket to the wash room ? 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