From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Mar 6 23:25:06 2007 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Tue Mar 6 23:25:10 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Bio-Fuels or Bio-Fools? Message-ID: <20070307062506.51711.qmail@mall-net.com> http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn11325-bush-to-back-bioethanol--but-benefits-are-in-the-balance.html Interesting report suggesting bio-fuels are not much better than petro-fuels. And that the side effects on food production are not likely to be that nice. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2007, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Mar 16 13:08:10 2007 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Mar 16 13:08:15 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Recycling CO2 into Fuel? Message-ID: <20070316200810.95151.qmail@mall-net.com> http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn11390-catalyst-could-help-turn-cosub2sub-into-fuel.html Interesting article details research on devising processes to capture and convert CO2 back into burnable compounds. Of course, the process is not free. They hope to couple it to UV from sunlight. It is an interesting step toward the possibility of recycling CO2 with the aid of light to produce the kinds of fuels and chemical feedstocks we currently obtain from oil and biomass. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2007, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Mar 16 13:29:00 2007 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Mar 16 13:29:04 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] SF Movie Sunshine (UK) In-Reply-To: <20070316200810.95151.qmail@mall-net.com> from "javilk@mall-net.com" at Mar 16, 2007 08:08:10 PM Message-ID: <20070316202900.21721.qmail@mall-net.com> New high concept science fiction movie to be released in England: Sunshine. It is about saving the earth from global cooling caused by [questionable physics] by delivering a [questionable physics] device using uranium and dark matter. http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn11385-science-fiction-movie-review-isunshinei.html Can it be worse than Flash Gordon and "Space Odyssey"??? The latter, which I mistakenly obtained at a flea market, seems to have a number of scenes pasted together in random order, and is populated with people who seem to think that actors should look like they are acting, rather than trying to simulate real people doing real things. I think one would have to Realy, Really try hard to deliberately make a worse SF movie than Star Odyssey. Rocky Jones and Flash Gordon have poorly trained actors in plots which have, um, problems. But they do have actors who, given the material, try to act like people. The so-called actors in S.O. are... trying to look like they are acting... worse than random people off the street might do. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2007, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From javilk at mall-net.com Thu Mar 29 23:10:06 2007 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Thu Mar 29 23:10:10 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Star Wars Planets Message-ID: <20070330061006.18918.qmail@mall-net.com> The mythical Tatoonie of Star Wars was a planet orbiting a binary star. Now, we see this may not be so uncommon. Questions exist whether "gravitational turbulence' may prevent true planetary formation. I speculate that large temperature cycles may exist due to orbital variations induced by the dynamics of the two stars. This may speed evolution, much as the glacial cycles seem to have speeded the evolution of species in Earth's temperate zones. (Including ours. Much of our cultural evolution got started with the Little Ice Age as the cold triggered more sophisticated structures than the hide covered pole lodge.) http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn11491-planets-are-common-around-tight-stellar-pairs.html --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2007, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From Vesta111 at aol.com Fri Mar 30 08:10:13 2007 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 30 08:10:38 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Star Wars Planets Message-ID: Please correct me if my memory is at fault. I recall seeing Mammoth Tusks piled together to support hide skins, ( we think) as shelters for the people thousands of years ago who lived in the Artic. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20070330/3b9e51c6/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Mar 30 09:20:13 2007 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Mar 30 09:20:22 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Star Wars Planets In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Mar 30, 2007 11:10:13 AM Message-ID: <20070330162013.32551.qmail@mall-net.com> > Please correct me if my memory is at fault. > > I recall seeing Mammoth Tusks piled together to support hide skins, ( we > think) as shelters for the people thousands of years ago who lived in the Artic. That and trees. Lodge with multiple families, little privacy. --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2007, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From Vesta111 at aol.com Fri Mar 30 10:39:22 2007 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 30 10:39:41 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Star Wars Planets Message-ID: Privacy is a very new idea to humans. In fact this idea of people living under the same roof to have their own space is still unknown in most regions of the world. With privacy in our homes today, children are given their own room at birth. The Asians I know sleep with their children until they are 5 or 6. In some ways the idea of privacy can be detrimentally to a society, How are the children to learn about adult society when they are banished to their rooms when parents discuss money, living conditions, every day problems that crop up in the world around them ? The Fins and their communial Sauna is a fact that we need to think about. Here in America in the north there are huge communities of Fins that have , if not have their own sauna, then go to town for a business that supplies the community with public saunas. For a fee, a family, or even a group of neighbors can rent a room, disrobe and have a sauna in the nude with the people they wish. I myself could not take a sauna with anyone but my girls, however I was looked at as a pervert from the community, why they asked would a woman only take a sauna with her girls ? These people thought I was weird because I didn't include my sons, the grandparents and the milk man. Privacy is what you make of it. Your mail, your odd quirks that you don't want anyone to know about. If you get off wearing woman's panties, you don't want the neighbor to know--he will laugh his butt off--unless he is wearing his grandmas bloomers himself. We have become obsessed with privacy in the family here in America. Our children have no idea how to function in the adult world, They grow up thinking and believing in some magic place that when they get into a relationship, they will live happily ever after. On the other hand, people have the right to have privacy from outsiders. No one should have to protect them selves from the people who want to investigate your life down to your spending habits. How better to learn the survival traits from grandpa and dad then by being in their face for 15 years. Young girls crossing over into woman hood, no problem if they live in a family where every thing is open. Your thoughts on this are welcome----Regards Vesta ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20070330/327ed65d/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Fri Mar 30 11:30:53 2007 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Fri Mar 30 11:30:59 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Star Wars Planets In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Mar 30, 2007 01:39:22 PM Message-ID: <20070330183053.56866.qmail@mall-net.com> > Privacy is a very new idea to humans. So is private enterprise and property ownership. Why own, when the food migrates. What can you really own, when you migrate with your food? Scientific American article, long ago said that as property ownership became more possible, the huts around the communal fire tended to move away, the doors turn away from the fire, with doors and fences starting to appear to keep others from knowing what a person had and thus not "borrowing: it. > In some ways the idea of privacy can be detrimentally to a society, How are > the children to learn about adult society when they are banished to their > rooms when parents discuss money, living conditions, every day problems that crop > up in the world around them ? How can you grow up to be yourself, when your parents have an idea of what you have to be? How can you be an independent entrepreneur, when everyone tells you that you are crazy? My god, if you grew up without privacy, you might even believe them! > For a fee, a family, or even a group of neighbors can rent a room, disrobe > and have a sauna in the nude with the people they wish. Hmm... I'm basically a suit and tie kind of guy. Clothing tells the world about whom you are. Wrinkles, nothing. > I myself could not take a sauna with anyone but my girls, however I was > looked at as a pervert from the community, why they asked would a woman only take > a sauna with her girls ? These people thought I was weird because I didn't > include my sons, the grandparents and the milk man. Different cultures... > We have become obsessed with privacy in the family here in America. Our > children have no idea how to function in the adult world, They grow up thinking > and believing in some magic place that when they get into a relationship, they > will live happily ever after. To some extent, yes. Enjoy your childhood... the schools will teach you all you need to know... Yah, Sure! How to follow directions, but ZERO about any of the things that make a person valuable to society and himself! But you see, this way we get to try, too often out of desperation, new things that are never tried in more supportive societies, like Germany. Germans know what to do, So they go do it. Americans haven't a clue, So they invent something new. Mass production automobiles, airplanes, city wide electricity, computers, lasers, atomic bombs, personal computers, internet, etc. We haven't a clue. We don't expect to have a clue. While that stops everyone else, we are not bothered by that glaring omission; we just go and try things till we get it done. > On the other hand, people have the right to have privacy from outsiders. No > one should have to protect them selves from the people who want to > investigate your life down to your spending habits. Yep, all the better to persuade you with. > Young girls crossing over into woman hood, no problem if they live in a > family where every thing is open. Where they are valued for their selves, and the parents expect them to try, fail, learn, and keep trying till they get it right. Genius friend of mine's family was that way. My father expected me to get it right the first time. So I didn't try as many things as my genius friend. His mind grew bigger than mine. But he also has less drive than I. The difference is abundance vs scarcity. First of foods, the goods, and then skills. As we elevate ourselves, as our tasks become more specialized, we become more individual. And with our individuality, prefer others who don't understand, like the busy body, the milkman, and the garbageman, not to judge us. As the garbage man said, so and so is having a fight again, as he's eating pre-cooked meals. That other guy is ... but of my family he said he does not know what we eat or do, as all he finds is tons of magazines, mostly technical, and foreign newspapers from all over the world. (Grandpa was a newspaper correspondent.) That, till one spring cleanup, we threw out 12 television sets. (Dad kept mining them for the parts, till the new technology required different part values.) i think it was G. Harry Stein who said that the best indicator of a man, is what's in his junk box, what he saves to recycle parts from. Your thoughts? --javilk@mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2007, Javilk@mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Mar 31 06:59:06 2007 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 31 06:59:19 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Just mulling over this and that. Message-ID: Europeans in the past and the Asians lived the life of rules, Cast System still in force to this day. When people realized they could move away from the rules and regulations, then the grand exodus from the known world into a land of mystery began. Imagine if you will the fear, excitement, the doubts, the anguish these people felt as they sat in cramped boats for months, nothing but water and the wind around them. Why did they come here leaving the known for the unknown? People were learning to read, the common man finally had a gate into his intellect. No longer did the common man have to depend on the church, the over lords of their time to direct their lives. Those who could not read depended on word of mouth, and their imaginations took wing. Poor illiterate folks trusted those in the family who could read, suddenly they saw that the rules that kept them sheep could be turned to their favor. Both weak and strong these people massed on the east coast of America. Those who found a way to make money stayed there. Those who were weak stayed and tried to bring back the familiar life style they tried to escape from. Those who had a dream headed west. Example---Honest Abe Lincoln who was no more honest then the men of his time, he ,as it is told, was raised in a one room cabin. Little privacy, except in the out house I imagine. He it is said , was a voracious reader. Hi privacy was that in his mind and his interpreting of the books he read. On another subject tied to this one. Those of us who are of the same stock as that of our forefathers, we now look to the sky's and desperately want to go out there just as much as the men and woman 200 years ago wanted to explore our west. Lewis and Clark are my heroes, from that time. My heroes today are the people who have decided to explore earth first, the vast oceans and go into the unknown in places on earth few people have ever seen. Until we know what makes out planet tick, what is here, map and know the biology of earth, how can we ever expect to know what the heck we find in space. Can you give me even one good reason on why you think we should put the cart before the horse ?? Regards Vesta . ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20070331/6edde38a/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Mar 31 07:31:25 2007 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk@mall-net.com) Date: Sat Mar 31 07:31:29 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Just mulling over this and that. In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Mar 31, 2007 09:59:06 AM Message-ID: <20070331143125.65759.qmail@mall-net.com> > Until we know what makes out planet tick, what is here, map and know the > biology of earth, how can we ever expect to know what the heck we find in space. > > Can you give me even one good reason on why you think we should put the cart > before the horse ?? Well, Volkswagen did rather well putting their horses behind their cart. We learn by comparison. This rock is heavier than that rock. What does that mean? So we learn to immerse it in water, and compare the volumes. But that rock displaces more water per weight than this rock. Why? So we stick the two in fire. Their colors change, maybe one melts. We look upon the clouds of Jupiter, and compare them with ours. We guess what makes our clouds behave, then see if that guess holds true on Jupiter, then Saturn. Is there a guess, a theory, that holds true on all three? We fear global warming, and theorize all kinds of ways of reducing carbon dioxide. But then we see evidence that Mars is warming. Is it really? Is our theory correct? Or is some politician trying to pull our leg into position so he can climb on it? Or worse, whet his ego upon it??? Fundamentally, we test our thoughts and memories by comparison. The exploration of space gives us more to compare. But also, who are we? Who are you? Who am I? How can we define ourselves? Space is a difficult environment. Perhaps as difficult as living in the wilds of Borneo. Perhaps less. The men of Borneo craft spears of wood and stone. Some die in the hunt, most die before they reach 40, many before they reach 30. Most children die, and so are not counted till they reach some age such as 12. Disease, accidents, infections. Few of us die in space, most of us reach our 60's, many our 70's. The fundamental traits of character only emerge when we are put to in difficult circumstances. Some flee, turn non-cooperative. Others help, cooperate despite facing death. And perhaps, survive because of cooperation. That cooperation becomes Economy. It becomes a way of life, a culture. We forget what it is like under stress, save in dramatic tales which have less and less relation to our day to day reality. Space, with it's challenges offers us another stage upon which to see the reality of our character play out, to see the limits of behavior, or ambition, as well as the problems of our sex drive in high achievement oriented characters. From their foibles, we learn more than from our fables. Why should our stage be limited to a flask of void perched upon a book case, and fed by those with less comprehension, of reality, or perhaps less regard for reality, than ours? I have a bit of a challenge right now myself. My humble abode is being developed out from under me, as hap[pens from time to time in the rental market. I seek housing around mid California, somewhere where the air is clean. Suggestions to that off list, please, as this list is archived in public. I do not wish to do a Clyde and play a out something as silly and inconsequential as my private life in public. -J- (C) 2007, javilk@mall-net.com ------------------ www.mall-net.com/javilk --- Laugh at yourself, Our Creator loves company -- and You! --------------- --- After all, we wouldn't want our Creator to cancel the show, would we? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright retained. All rights reserved. Copyright (C) 2007, Javilk@mall-net.com http://www.mall-net.com/javilk/ From Vesta111 at aol.com Sat Mar 31 08:27:18 2007 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 31 08:27:49 2007 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Just mulling over this and that. Message-ID: In a message dated 3/31/2007 10:31:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, javilk@mall-net.com writes: We learn by comparison. This rock is heavier than that rock. What does that mean? So we learn to immerse it in water, and compare the volumes. Good laugh here, Eureka, ----But, few people run through the town wearing only a towel, if that, to announce a brain meld today. What a shame, this old lady would love to see that, sort of a mass streaking of old fat men who have the answer to age old problems. Speaking of discovery, today on AOL there was an article about a scientist that spent 8 years working on the question of how the Pyramid --The big sucker-- was built. This dude has come up with an idea no one has ever had the time and money to come up with before. This scientist has to be very cautious because that Hiawass fellow has to be placated, bowed to and flattered at every turn. I was so surprised to read the article as I didn't think the puzzle; would ever be solved in my life time. It all remains to be seen if politics will shoot down his theory. Will the most exalted head of the Egyptian Antiques find that the scientists ideas go along with his political view ? Ingenious is the word for this scientists belief, it is the only one that makes any sense of that massive undertaking. So now what is left is to explain the Sphinx that pre dates the pyramids by a couple thousand years. Thoughts please ?? Regards Vesta ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://Mad-Scientists.ORG/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20070331/214d5d46/attachment.html