From mrfixits at telus.net Tue Feb 3 03:08:44 2009 From: mrfixits at telus.net (Rick Crammond) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 02:08:44 -0800 Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Universe as hologram theory... In-Reply-To: <20090131225738.29277.qmail@mall-net.com> References: <20090131225738.29277.qmail@mall-net.com> Message-ID: <30C9519B-F116-4AA9-A159-2458944989C3@telus.net> In response to the comment from javilk, below, I turned to a random page in a book I've been reading called "Life In The Labyrinth" by E.J. Gold. The random page I turned to, page 157, was a poem called, "The Speed Of Light" ! To me, it shows in a simple but penetrating way, the idea of overlapping universes where more than one set of rules can apply simultaneously. So, with the thought that either everything is coincidence, or nothing is coincidence, I feel compelled to share this zen-like metaphysical poem by EJ Gold with you... "The Speed Of Light" Love is the speed of light. The Absolute is love. The Absolute is the speed of light. The speed of light is stillness and silence. The Absolute is stillness and silence. Love is stillness and silence. Where is stillness? Between motion. Where is silence? Between sound. Where is the Absolute? Between motion and sound. Silence between every sound. Stillness between every motion. Cheers, Rick On 31-Jan-09, at 2:57 PM, javilk at mall-net.com wrote: > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126911.300-our-world-may-be- > a-giant-hologram.html > > They say that some of the gravity wave detector noise and other > things suggest a level of granularity in the universe... and that in > turn suggests that what we observe as reality may be the effects of a > hologram-like outer ege of the universe. > > If that is the case, then we may return to the old philosophical > question of whether our actions are sponteous, based upon what we > percieve and understand here and now; or are pre-ordaned by some > "rules" > or whatever laid out beforehand elsewhere. > > I would argue the idea is not valid... > > A projection can not interact with another projection element at > the destination of the projection. Thus, the interactions must be > taking place elsewhere, using rules ('physics") which are quite > different from the rules we see and understand here. (If we can be > said > to understand.) > > The nature of caustics (the light patterns created by waves on > the > surface of a pool of water, projected to the bottom of the pool) > suggests the rules and physics at the hologram level would have to be > quite different in order for the light patterns to seem to make more > sense than what we see. For one thing, if the hologram spans much of > the outer edge of the universe, then the interactions there have to > communicate with speeds much faster than light, that they appear to > interact at that speed here. > > I would argue that the geometry of projection from the outer edge > toward the center would suggest physics would not be constant > across the > universe; the speed of light would appear to change, faster closer to > the edge of the universe, and slower toward the center. > > Yet we seem to see that physics is constant across the universe. > Thus, the hologram idea does not seem valid to me... > > What do you think??? > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126911.300-our-world-may-be- > a-giant-hologram.html > > --javilk at mall-net.com---------------------------------- > Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. > Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. > ------------------------------------------------------- > Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where > prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. > ------------------------------------------------------- > Another Javilk (tm) brand post. > Copyright (C) 2007, Javilk at mall-net.com > Copyright retained. All rights reserved. > > > _______________________________________________ > Mad-Scientists mailing list > Mad-Scientists at Mad-Scientists.ORG > http://www.mad-scientists.org/mailman/listinfo/mad-scientists From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Feb 7 04:26:17 2009 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk at mall-net.com) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 11:26:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The Big Chill, 1709 Message-ID: <20090207112617.36308.qmail@mall-net.com> Things weren't too hot in 1709, they were too cold. 'In France, the freeze gripped the whole country as far as the Mediterranean. Even the king and his courtiers at the sumptuous Palace of Versailles struggled to keep warm. The Duchess of Orleans wrote to her aunt in Germany: "I am sitting by a roaring fire, have a screen before the door, which is closed, so that I can sit here with a sable fur piece around my neck and my feet in a bearskin sack and I am still shivering with cold and can barely hold the pen. Never in my life have I seen a winter such as this one."' http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126942.100-1709-the-year-that-europe-froze.html -JVV- From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Feb 7 04:38:00 2009 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk at mall-net.com) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 11:38:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Is Sustainable Energy sustainable? Message-ID: <20090207113800.47917.qmail@mall-net.com> Indium, Platinum, even land used for bio-fuels are not as sustainable as some alternative energy folks would like you to think. The comments are interesting, too. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16550-why-sustainable-power-is-unsustainable.html --javilk at mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2009, Javilk at mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From javilk at mall-net.com Sat Feb 21 03:48:53 2009 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk at mall-net.com) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:48:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Sleep and Sanity Message-ID: <20090221104853.71785.qmail@mall-net.com> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126962.100-are-bad-sleeping-habits-driving-us-mad.html?full=true Intersting article suggesting sleep and sanity are more linked than we thought. perhaps in many cases it is the interrupted sleep which drives a person insane, rather than the insanity which interrupts a person's sleep. --javilk at mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2007, Javilk at mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Feb 22 07:05:59 2009 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:05:59 EST Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Is Sustainable Energy sustainable? Message-ID: In a message dated 2/7/2009 6:38:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk at mall-net.com writes: _http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16550-why-sustainable-power-is-unsustai nable.html_ (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16550-why-sustainable-power-is-unsustainable.html) For crying out loud, we can renew the soil, and plant crops most anywhere except the North or South Pole-- say, there must be a use for Liken if Reindeer can live on the stuff, can we develop a way to grow it and use that energy for humans.?. Renewable energy is being created using Algae in the South West today, this product can be turned into not only food but fuel to power everything from a car to a jet plane. Then we have the old stand-by the Hemp plant that has 1000 uses and does improve the soil so food crops can be planted in places they have never grown before. We don't need to invent or try to invent some new technology to keep us afloat, all we need to do is to look at our resources and USE them. We ignore tidal power to an extent, the most powerful force on earth is going to waste. Then the wind power machines that are not allowed to be built as they may cause a problem for millionaires and their scenic out look. ( IE) - Kennedy Compound that had a hissie fit when wind machines were suggested to be placed a mile or so out to sea from them. Their view, the navigation of their million dollar boats around the darn things, Not in their neighborhood, let them be built in someone else's back yard. When it was suggested that since MT. Washington in my state has the highest winds ever recorded on earth and we could find a way to harness the power, HOLEY MOLEY the tourist trade of my state went ballistic-- People spend millions of dollars to come to see the scenery, not a bunch of ugly wind machines. Why not paint the suckers GREEN to blend in with the landscape, I ask. Answer was, these machines would have to be painted every 5 years at a cost to tax payers. Don't know what to say Javalk, Every way we turn there is some solution, big and small to the energy question. Everyone wants a magic solution to the problem ,they are born and breed on SCI-FI and refuse to admit that antibiotics is just a mold on bread that was found to be beneficial. The answer to renewable energy of any kind is there right under our nose--problem is we tend to look off into the distance and hope to find an answerer there. We need to, as the old timers did, use and improve what we have work with what we know----someone will come along with a new insane idea based on what we have--but in the mean time until that happens, we need to use what we have. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mad-scientists.org/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20090222/84ade930/attachment.html From Vesta111 at aol.com Sun Feb 22 07:43:34 2009 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:43:34 EST Subject: [Mad-Scientists] The Big Chill, 1709 Message-ID: In a message dated 2/7/2009 6:26:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk at mall-net.com writes: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126942.100-1709-the-year-that-europe-f roze.html -JVV- Not just then my dear, My great grand mother was but a child when Kahikatea blew up. She recounted the sky's as a pale gray, two years of no summer in New England, All the dust and such that was released by that volcano blocked the sun from much of the earth. It was the small towns here in New England that banned together to survive. The towns worked as a team player, some would chop wood and distribute it to the poor first, in fact the community became a collective society, where the poorest got first dibs. The churches told the people that this was a punishment from God because the people did not give more money to their church, They were told that they, the people were responsible for the earth changes as they were sinners--weather they knew it or not. No problem figuring out why she was not a church goer when I knew her. Quite a time for my ancestors to live in, when finally the sky cleared, the sun came out, and life returned to normal, they had to face other life changes--------They adapted to change, went on with their lives. Shit happens Javilk, be it earth changes or society mores, we survive on how we adjust and gather together as humans to survive the unknown. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mad-scientists.org/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20090222/00daa4c9/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Sun Feb 22 15:29:40 2009 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk at mall-net.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:29:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Is Sustainable Energy sustainable? In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Feb 22, 2009 09:05:59 AM Message-ID: <20090222222940.54883.qmail@mall-net.com> > _http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16550-why-sustainable-power-is-unsustai > nable.html_ > (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16550-why-sustainable-power-is-unsustainable.html) > > For crying out loud, we can renew the soil, and plant crops most anywhere > except the North or South Pole-- say, there must be a use for Liken if Reindeer > can live on the stuff, can we develop a way to grow it and use that energy > for humans.?. Actually, the soil is not that renewable; especially when we take the trace minerals bound up in plants, ship them elsewhere, and throw them away. That's what happens when we don't burn the bagasse in situ and use the ash as fertilizer. > Renewable energy is being created using Algae in the South West today, this > product can be turned into not only food but fuel to power everything from a > car to a jet plane. Water! Lots of sunny land for growing in the southwest; not enough water. We're drawing down the huge aquifer, for what, growing corn to make into bio-fuel? What about fueling our bio? There's not enough good, arable land to feed the world. Or more likely, not enough water for the irrigation needed to make that land arable. > Then we have the old stand-by the Hemp plant that has 1000 uses and does > improve the soil so food crops can be planted in places they have never grown > before. Are you going to cut down the forests? > We don't need to invent or try to invent some new technology to keep us > afloat, all we need to do is to look at our resources and USE them. > > We ignore tidal power to an extent, the most powerful force on earth is > going to waste. That is a tremendous source of power. We DO need to Invent technology for harnessing that, as there are only so many bays to render unusable for trade. > Then the wind power machines that are not allowed to be built as they may > cause a problem for millionaires and their scenic out look. ( IE) - Kennedy > Compound that had a hissie fit when wind machines were suggested to be placed T Boone Pickins has some interesting plans. It's questionable whether he's scamming us or not, according to some. > When it was suggested that since MT. Washington in my state has the highest > winds ever recorded on earth and we could find a way to harness the power, > HOLEY MOLEY the tourist trade of my state went ballistic-- People spend > millions of dollars to come to see the scenery, not a bunch of ugly wind machines. > Why not paint the suckers GREEN to blend in with the landscape, I ask. Answer > was, these machines would have to be painted every 5 years at a cost to tax > payers. I lived off-grid in the coastal mountains of California for six years, before the 50 year or 100 year fire burned me out. You'd expect coastal Califaultia would have good windpower. When our neighbor's wind generator was blown off it's mast, they didn't bother replacing it as even right on the ridge line, it didn't run often enough. Even living off-grid with fuel in the three dollar range, it wasn't worth the cost given how little energy it produced. That said, there ARE places where wind power is the way to go. Not that many, I think. > Don't know what to say Javalk, Every way we turn there is some solution, big > and small to the energy question. Everyone wants a magic solution to the > problem ,they are born and breed on SCI-FI and refuse to admit that > antibiotics is just a mold on bread that was found to be beneficial. Yep. But we're also crazy enough to come up with ideas. Venture capitalists look at a thousand ideas, fund ten, have one or two work out, and make a hefty profit. Most ideas are worthless; but if you don't have them, take the time to really sift through them, etc.... you won't have progress. It's when we are not critical enough, that we end up with a dot-com meltdown type of situation -- too many foolish ideas chased by too much un-real money. > The answer to renewable energy of any kind is there right under our > nose--problem is we tend to look off into the distance and hope to find an answerer > there. We need to, as the old timers did, use and improve what we have work > with what we know----someone will come along with a new insane idea based on > what we have--but in the mean time until that happens, we need to use what > we have. We need to think carefully. The reason most of what we have is what we have, is largely because it was, and still is, more economical in terms of money, time, and attention. I was on solar power. I'd have to turn the panels three or more times a day, check batteries and connections every month, and at times, deal with burping the batteries for steadier power. I was watching meters next to my computer to make sure I was getting adequate power and all was going smoothly. It wasn't as cheap as grid power, required a lot of my attention to catch the things that were going wrong, and a lot of my time to turn the panels and keep fixing the generators, hauling fuel, getting parts, etc. Yes, we need to harness more sources of energy. We need energy independence. But rising food prices and car-bone taxes are not a good way of paying for "renewable" fools. There has to be a better way! --javilk at mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. Copyright (C) 2007, Javilk at mall-net.com Copyright retained. All rights reserved. From Vesta111 at aol.com Tue Feb 24 07:52:43 2009 From: Vesta111 at aol.com (Vesta111 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:52:43 EST Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Is Sustainable Energy sustainable? Message-ID: In a message dated 2/22/2009 5:30:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, javilk at mall-net.com writes: I was on solar power. I'd have to turn the panels three or more times a day, check batteries and connections every month, and at times, deal with burping the batteries for steadier power. I was watching meters next to my computer to make sure I was getting adequate power and all was going smoothly. It wasn't as cheap as grid power, required a lot of my attention to catch the things that were going wrong, and a lot of my time to turn the panels and keep fixing the generators, hauling fuel, getting parts, etc. Whey not put the solar panels on a gyroscope programmed to turn itself to the proper position those 3 times a day.? Is there a way to use the suns energy to make a symbolize relationship If we can find a replacement for battery's then we have won 1/2 the battle. Ah, the battery, some say people have found strange jars with copper wires in Egyptian tombs. It was theorized that if vinegar were poured into the jar some king of electrical spark could be created. Thousands of these do-hickies have been found and some say they were simple TOYS but then who the heck knows. Funny that last night my 88 year old mom mentioned the fact that amazed her that in the year of 2009 there were still telephone poles and bulky transformers. She was spending the night as the electric wires went down in an ice storm, she had no electricity in her home--she still lives alone and our wires for everything are under grown. We got to her after 18 hours of no heat in her home and first stage hypothermia had set in, she was still shivering and becoming disoriented. She had been offered shelter with neighbors that had heat but refused to BOTHER THE FAMILYS. Her claim is technology is based on fun stuff, for individuals and not the collective good. This throw away world with built in obsolesce horrifies her.[ Her ] mothers refrigerator 50 years old has been repaired perhaps once and believe it or not still works in an out building. The new light bulbs that have a 2 foot long disclaimer and instructions on what to do if they break, have her scrambling to find tungsten filament bulbs. Who is going to open all their windows for 3 hours when the temperature is -20 degrees outside? Lots to be learned from the old codgers that survived to be ancient. How do those flashlights work that require no battery's.? Can we build and refine that technology to larger items, we have wind up radios, why not wind up TV, == if worse came to worse as someone told me, we could raise Gerbils to run on a thread mill to create electricity----- when the dudes get old we have a food source. YUCK. We can solve our problems when we get the money people out of the problem. Send the marginal students to trade schools, there are much more average students then kids that can make a difference. .I have been reading Atlas Shrugged, reading the books by Rand, Strange ideas yet, but also watching interviews she gave before her death. We all hope one of our children will become a rocket scientist, unfortunately it will be the high school graduate or less that will get a strange idea, perhaps in a dream as DNA was found, that will change the world. We look to the educated to help us, the brilliant people, the unusual people. What kind of education did the people have that built the pyramids all over the world? How on earth were the South American Indians able to create structures that today's Engineers cannot duplicate with our technology.? All over Africa Pyramids were built by people that could not read or write in their language. Who were the geniuses that came out of no where to direct the buildings.? Have no fear, Javilk, the answers will come from not from typical scientists, The answers will come from everyday people that see things that no education or science has been taught. Rant ended, thanks for the chance to vent----- . **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mad-scientists.org/pipermail/mad-scientists/attachments/20090224/0259dd99/attachment.html From javilk at mall-net.com Tue Feb 24 16:57:40 2009 From: javilk at mall-net.com (javilk at mall-net.com) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:57:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mad-Scientists] Is Sustainable Energy sustainable? In-Reply-To: from "Vesta111@aol.com" at Feb 24, 2009 09:52:43 AM Message-ID: <20090224235741.66786.qmail@mall-net.com> >> I was on solar power. I'd have >> to turn the panels three or more times a day, check batteries and >> connections every month, and at times, deal with burping the >> batteries > Whey not put the solar panels on a gyroscope programmed to turn itself to > the proper position those 3 times a day.? Is there a way to use the suns > energy to make a symbolize relationship Gyroscope? On a static mount??? Makes no sense. A paddle between two tiny solar cells is a better indicator, casting a simple shadow. > If we can find a replacement for battery's then we have won 1/2 the battle. Lead acid batteries are the most cost effective solution. And they are voltage-compatible with a lot of other equipment, without a lot of mix and match adjustments. > Her claim is technology is based on fun stuff, for individuals and not the > collective good. This throw away world with built in obsolesce horrifies > her.[ Her ] mothers refrigerator 50 years old has been repaired perhaps once > and believe it or not still works in an out building. The new light bulbs that > have a 2 foot long disclaimer and instructions on what to do if they break, > have her scrambling to find tungsten filament bulbs. Who is going to open all > their windows for 3 hours when the temperature is -20 degrees outside? The new technology tends to be more cost effective. New refrigerators use less power. New bulbs use less power. When you are on solar, power matters a lot. > Lots to be learned from the old codgers that survived to be ancient. What you learn about from old codgers, is the cyclical nature of world politics. And economies. > How do those flashlights work that require no battery's.? Can we build and > refine that technology to larger items, we have wind up radios, why not wind > up TV, == if worse came to worse as someone told me, we could raise Gerbils > to run on a thread mill to create electricity----- when the dudes get old we > have a food source. YUCK. Not cost effective. Burning dinosaurs is more cost effective. > We can solve our problems when we get the money people out of the problem. Our economic system is how we have been able to get out of the cave. Arrowheads were uses as the medium of exchange, the currency, of paleolithic Europe. Later, we went to minerals, then the lighter, more transportable promises. Derivatives are ten times the value of the world economy. > Send the marginal students to trade schools, there are much more average > students then kids that can make a difference. .I have been reading Atlas Pick the superior man, the good soldier; get rid of the alcoholic prostitute's son and the paralytic millionaire. And toss the addle brained kid. Nations with the most rigorous merit based educational service drag the rest of the world kicking and screaming into the future? Edison doesn't count? Neither does FDR, nor Churchill? America lets it's people sort themselves out. It's more painful that way, but the occasional bum-student and con man like Woz and Jobs who start revolutions. Nevermind Noyce and others who created the technology, but not perhaps the major application thereof. Same for Ford and his affordable car, Edison and his DC electricity, Morse and his... sounds? What was he working with, deaf people? Or did he steal the idea on a ship? What about Edison vs Tesla? And what about the leaders of companies like Worldcom and Enron? America is a MESS! It's the kind of mess that sorts itself out in technological revolutions which change the world, generally for the better, Even when some pervert starts jabbing the puss of sick people into healthy people, like this guy Ed Jenner (Vaccination). > We look to the educated to help us, the brilliant people, the unusual > people. What kind of education did the people have that built the pyramids all Like Edison, Ford, Jobs... ineducable louts, not worth educating. Or were they geniuses for whom education was a waste of time? > over the world? How on earth were the South American Indians able to create > structures that today's Engineers cannot duplicate with our technology.? All > over Africa Pyramids were built by people that could not read or write in their > language. Who were the geniuses that came out of no where to direct the > buildings.? Nothing of genius there, just miniscule improvement of process over countless generations. > Have no fear, Javilk, the answers will come from not from typical > scientists, The answers will come from everyday people that see things that no > education or science has been taught. Often the case. But sometimes those who seem to be addle brained ineducable idiots do even greater work. Kind of hard to tell in this country. Sure, there are signs. But every once in a while, someone surprises us. --javilk at mall-net.com---------------------------------- Life is to be LIVED regardless of what is out there. Fear destroys life. Destroy your fear and live. ------------------------------------------------------- Not to be construed as psychological advice. Void where prohibited by law. Not available in all mental states. ------------------------------------------------------- Another Javilk (tm) brand post. 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