Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:01:19 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:01:02 -0700 Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:00:56 -0700 Received: from modem-64.tin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.24.192] helo=default) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 1030um-0006PH-00 for MAD-SCIENTISTS@Mad-Scientists.ORG; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:55:36 +0000 Message-ID: <000701be1a26$c6677160$c018883e@default> From: "wilson tse" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Subject: Test please delete Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:55:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. " Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:22:34 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:22:18 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f203.hotmail.com) by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:22:13 -0700 Received: (qmail 9738 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jan 1999 19:16:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19990120191657.9737.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.198.47 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:16:57 PST From: "Joseph Barnes" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Test Pass Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:16:57 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Creation takes Eons But Destruction occurs in seconds Ex: God had to create man and wait, Thousands of years For man to Mature And reach His Potential When Man Reached It, Man Destroyed God with His science ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:03:20 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:02:05 -0700 Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:01:55 -0700 Received: from DrCRLaw@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id KFMMa06035 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:56:30 -0500 (EST) From: DrCRLaw@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <1f192fe7.36a634ee@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:56:30 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Test Pass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man destroyed god, When he developed free will. Science provided the proof he needed, And the driving force for the deed. Science survives time, Until the sands run out. Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:35:24 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:35:05 -0700 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:35:00 -0700 Received: from modem-23.cesium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.27.23] helo=default) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 1038wK-0007xC-00 for MAD-SCIENTISTS@Mad-Scientists.ORG; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:29:44 +0000 Message-ID: <023501be1a6e$99af9ba0$171b883e@default> From: "wilson tse" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Subject: Question about the ISoMS list Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 01:29:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, the is my first post to the list. I have been waiting for a week but I haven't got a single post from the list yet, just wondering is the list down or something wrong with my e-mail server. Just in case someone somewhere read this post I want to ask what kind of science (maths, physics, chem or bio or any other subject) the list like to talk about. I am interest in almost every area but I am only good at a selected few. Wilson Tse "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. " Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:48:08 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:47:21 -0700 Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:47:03 -0700 Received: from SarahProf@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id XVOPa23166 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:41:07 +1900 (EST) From: SarahProf@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <12f26356.36a685b3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:41:07 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Test please delete Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Profound! Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:14:10 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:47:08 -0700 Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:46:59 -0700 Received: from SarahProf@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id GSFRa03482 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:40:17 +1900 (EST) From: SarahProf@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:40:17 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Test Pass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am happy to see the Mad-Scientists back on line. Had a system crash and lost my link to the site? Do I pass? Sarah Prof. Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:40:14 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:09:24 -0700 Received: from laurel.emich.edu by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:09:09 -0700 Received: from dwolak.merit.edu (pm455-22.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.32]) by ONLINE.EMICH.EDU (PMDF V5.2-29 #28095) with SMTP id <01J6S02U6DT28ZIS9F@ONLINE.EMICH.EDU> for Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:00:07 EST Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:11:17 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Wolak" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <006c01be44e3$58754d20$20156ec6@dwolak.merit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah! New blood, wonderful!!! What are your thoughts on a manned mission to Mars? Can it be done quickly and cheaply? Robert Zubrin, who wrote the Case For Mars book, believes we can do it within 10 years with a direct launch from Earth, but the problem is we would need to design a new, powerful launch vehicle to throw such a large mass to Mars even if you factor in the idea of producing fuel for the return journey on Mars. Lately, I've been favoring the idea of using the Space Station as a launch platform and building a Mars craft from something called "TransHab", which is going to be an inflatable habitation module for the space station. All you would need to do would be to add a propulsion and fuel production module to the Transhab module and launch from Earth orbit. What needs to be done is to give Transhab the ability to dock and un-dock easily from the space station. For the propulsion module, I can envision a cluster of 10-12 xenon-ion engines (these engines are being tested on the current Deep Space 1 mission) to get to Mars and back. What do you think? -----Original Message----- From: wilson tse To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@Mad-Scientists.ORG Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 8:28 PM Subject: Question about the ISoMS list >Hi, the is my first post to the list. I have been waiting for a week but I >haven't got a single post from the list yet, just wondering is the list down >or something wrong with my e-mail server. >Just in case someone somewhere read this post I want to ask what kind of >science (maths, physics, chem or bio or any other subject) the list like to >talk about. >I am interest in almost every area but I am only good at a selected few. > >Wilson Tse >"That is not dead which can eternal lie, >And with strange aeons even death may die. " > > Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:25:41 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:25:25 -0700 Received: from smtp.WPI.EDU by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:25:19 -0700 Received: from wpi.WPI.EDU (jeffie@wpi.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.6]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA20371 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:19:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:19:59 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Francis Haynes Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually, I don't want to get into a full-blow discussion about it but I believe a key aspect of Zubrin's plan involves using readily available "off the shelf" boosters such as the Delta. On the other hand, Zubrin is a bit of a fanatic on the subject. Either way, he's picked the side of "advancement" and I'm sure it will happen one way or another. - Jeff On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Daniel J. Wolak wrote: > Ah! New blood, wonderful!!! What are your thoughts on a manned mission to > Mars? Can it be done quickly and cheaply? Robert Zubrin, who wrote the > Case For Mars book, believes we can do it within 10 years with a direct > launch from Earth, but the problem is we would need to design a new, > powerful launch vehicle to throw such a large mass to Mars even if you > factor in the idea of producing fuel for the return journey on Mars. > Lately, I've been favoring the idea of using the Space Station as a launch > platform and building a Mars craft from something called "TransHab", which > is going to be an inflatable habitation module for the space station. All > you would need to do would be to add a propulsion and fuel production module > to the Transhab module and launch from Earth orbit. What needs to be done > is to give Transhab the ability to dock and un-dock easily from the space > station. For the propulsion module, I can envision a cluster of 10-12 > xenon-ion engines (these engines are being tested on the current Deep Space > 1 mission) to get to Mars and back. What do you think? > > -----Original Message----- > From: wilson tse > To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@Mad-Scientists.ORG > Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 8:28 PM > Subject: Question about the ISoMS list > > > >Hi, the is my first post to the list. I have been waiting for a week but I > >haven't got a single post from the list yet, just wondering is the list > down > >or something wrong with my e-mail server. > >Just in case someone somewhere read this post I want to ask what kind of > >science (maths, physics, chem or bio or any other subject) the list like to > >talk about. > >I am interest in almost every area but I am only good at a selected few. > > > >Wilson Tse > >"That is not dead which can eternal lie, > >And with strange aeons even death may die. " > > > > > > Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:03:11 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:02:48 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f278.hotmail.com) by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:58:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 10388 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jan 1999 08:53:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990121085310.10387.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.193.173 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:53:10 PST From: "Joseph Barnes" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Test Is the Answer To the solution Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:53:10 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Not Amaturly Lost ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:14:08 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:02:58 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f157.hotmail.com) by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:57:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 26900 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jan 1999 08:51:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990121085159.26899.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.193.173 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:51:59 PST From: "Joseph Barnes" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:51:59 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain The ISoMS is not down, It's just seems not to be running I can help with any questions though I am a bonafide Mad Scientist The Mad Scientist Is Loose And so is his monster Joseph Barnes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:24:43 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:13:44 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f140.hotmail.com) by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:13:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 4915 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jan 1999 09:08:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19990121090811.4914.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.193.173 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:08:10 PST From: "Joseph Barnes" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:08:10 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Think Of a design of a craft that can handle the stress of traveling the speed of light than we will talk ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:36:19 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:13:31 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f77.hotmail.com) by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:08:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 28818 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jan 1999 09:03:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19990121090334.28817.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.193.173 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:03:34 PST From: "Joseph Barnes" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:03:34 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain The THought Of a Faster and Safer Space traveling Is the Dream of All. Write Me And I'll send my theroies "Master, The Monster Is Loose again and Rampaging through the Village" "Tell him to pick up some Eggs" Joseph Barnes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:47:05 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:13:55 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f222.hotmail.com) by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:03:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 24569 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jan 1999 08:58:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990121085812.24568.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.193.173 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:58:12 PST From: "Joseph Barnes" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Test Pass A+ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:58:12 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain This is Sarak, I'm Keep getting Email Asking Me Questions, I appreciate the attention, and Know I am A Mad Scientist, But I must Use my Powers for good. The Villagers at the door With Pitch Forks and Torches They say their Look ing for the Monster Joseph Barnes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:15:58 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:15:41 -0700 Received: from smtp.WPI.EDU by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:15:35 -0700 Received: from wpi.WPI.EDU (jeffie@wpi.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.6]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA25107 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:10:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:10:19 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Francis Haynes Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Look, it's not stress you have to worry about. It's the realitivistic "side-effect" that requires infinite mass as a condition of infinite acceleration. As a matter-of-fact, stress isn't even as issue when traveling *at* the speed of light or greater because realitivity allows for that phenomenon. It's the acceleration that gets you every time. I suggest you find a book on the topic. As a mad scientist, if you're going to be well read on at least one subject, it really should be realitivity. - Jeff | Jeff Haynes | EE, WPI | Worcester, MA | http://www.wpi.edu/~jeffie | jeffie@wpi.edu | | "Intellectuals cannot go on forever avoiding their share of | responsibility for the world and hiding their distaste for | politics under an alleged need to be independent." | | - Vaclav Havel on why he accepted | the position as President of | Czechoslovakia. |______________________________________________________________ On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Joseph Barnes wrote: > Think Of a design of a craft that can handle the stress of traveling the > speed of light than we will talk > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:55:58 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:55:41 -0700 Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:55:11 -0700 Received: from Vesta111@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id JABTa23166 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:49:38 -0500 (EST) From: Vesta111@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:49:38 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/21/99 4:27:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, sarak@hotmail.com writes: << The ISoMS is not down, It's just seems not to be running I can help with any questions though I am a bonafide Mad Scientist The Mad Scientist Is Loose And so is his monster Joseph Barnes >> 30 years, 30 long years, billions of dollars spent on space exploration by the greatest nations to rule this planet, what do we have? We came to a screaching hault in the space projects. From the time the Russians launched the first unmaned satalite, until we as humanes walked the face of the moon, the time span was a short 12-15 years. It has been twice that time now and we have progressed no further. What is the hold up, remember when we first went to the moon , computers were infants, we did not even at that time have mass produced hand held calculators, the slide rule was still the life blood of any and all engeneers. We have come so far in 30 years yet we still hash and rehash the ideas from the 30ies onwards. To read science fiction from that time today , it is almost fresh, we have not advanced in our thinking at all. I have a monster who lives under my bed, he pops out from time to time to remind me that religion and science are like the wings of a bird: with out both, the bird cannot fly. "Baha'u'llah" Written sometime in the late 1800. Do our minds have a limit to ideas? we seem to be improving old ideas but not creating completely new and unheard of ones. Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:08:51 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:08:35 -0700 Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:08:30 -0700 Received: from SarahProf@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VYNa015297 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:01:09 -0500 (EST) From: SarahProf@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <629fba73.36a74f45@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:01:09 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to have the url enabling me to visit the site! Sarah. Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:29:02 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:28:46 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f128.hotmail.com) by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:28:40 -0700 Received: (qmail 23315 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jan 1999 21:23:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19990121212317.23314.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.201.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:23:16 PST From: "Joseph Barnes" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:23:16 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I have accomplish the idea of traveling at the speed of light The use of Matter and Anti-matter is No longer a thing of Science Fiction When Hydrogen and Anti Hydrogen collide it annilhates each other, producing in its wake Gamma radiation. Gamma waves travel faster than the speed of light. If kept in a electromagnetic field, The Radiation can be stored for usage. My problem is directing that radiation for propulsion. Any Idea's? "The Peasants Are Revolting" "They sure Are, They Stink On Ice!" MAd Science Is What Leads Us to the Future Joseph Barnes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:37:59 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:37:32 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f184.hotmail.com) by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:36:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 10636 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jan 1999 21:30:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19990121213054.10632.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.201.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:30:54 PST From: "Joseph Barnes" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:30:54 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I wish I could Help You SarahProf ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:48:35 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:37:45 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f148.hotmail.com) by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:35:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 27767 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jan 1999 21:29:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19990121212949.27766.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.201.213 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:29:48 PST From: "Joseph Barnes" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:29:48 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I agree. The World should Know what The top minds are capaable of. We should be able to on other planets right now, exploting them of all possible resources, But the Projects Have stopped. Any therories? "What Is Science With Out A Dream" "BUt Your Dream Is Mad Doctor" "Is It mad because you Don't understand or not to wish to Understand" Joseph Barnes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:59:59 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:59:40 -0700 Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:55:59 -0700 Received: from Rott20745@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5LENa15290 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:50:21 -0500 (EST) From: Rott20745@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <536755c4.36a7a11d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:50:21 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem is really much more basic than that. A mass needs more and more energy to accelerate it so as you approach 'C' the energy needed for futher acceleration approaches infinity. It all boils down to simple inertia. Try The Collapsing Universe by Isaac Azimov. Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:13:24 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:12:04 -0700 Received: from smtp.WPI.EDU by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:05:20 -0700 Received: from wpi.WPI.EDU (jeffie@wpi.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.6]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA01675 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:00:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Francis Haynes Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is a joke, right? On the other hand, even pseudoscience deserves attention. Okay, let's say that you figured out how to focus the radiation and even harness it (which, with present technology, is not possible). The Gamma radiation would provide a certain amount of energy to your "ship". Unfortunatly, just because a convertable with it's top down is traveling at 60mph dosen't mean that a moose which decides to jump in would be empowered with the same velocity. Say the car weighs two tons and the moose, one. The car (and it's driver) would suddenly find themselves accelerated in a direction opposite to their direction of travel at a very high rate (or "jerk"). The energy "lost" would be transfered in the seat the moose landed in, the moose and probably, noise. The car would now find itself traveling at about 40mph (120ton*mphs/3tons) and the driver would probably find himself replacing the airbag. The exact same thing applies to your Gamma rays (unless they posses some quantum property hitherto unknown to us which exempts them from the laws of physics) and it would still require an infinite amount of energy and therefore, of Gamma particles, to provide adequate acceleration. Interesting idea though. - Jeff On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Joseph Barnes wrote: > I have accomplish the idea of traveling at the speed of light > The use of Matter and Anti-matter is No longer a thing of Science > Fiction > When Hydrogen and Anti Hydrogen collide it annilhates each other, > producing in its wake Gamma radiation. Gamma waves travel faster than > the speed of light. If kept in a electromagnetic field, The Radiation > can be stored for usage. My problem is directing that radiation for > propulsion. Any Idea's? > > "The Peasants Are Revolting" > "They sure Are, They Stink On Ice!" > > MAd Science Is What Leads Us to the Future > Joseph Barnes > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:11:55 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:11:38 -0700 Received: from spin.net.au by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:11:32 -0700 Received: from zed (modem017.nas1.spin.net.au [203.23.239.136]) by spin.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA22217 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:56:26 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990121215741.0090ed30@spin.net.au> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:57:41 +1100 To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG From: Jet Black Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Test Please Read MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:55 27/11/98 -0000, you wrote: > >"That is not dead which can eternal lie, >And with strange aeons even death may die. " The Mad Sci List is ALIVE ! , sort of. Anyone onlist who has an unhealthy interest in microwave ovens ,might like to have a look at my very outdated www page. http://www.spin.net.au/~blackj click on Jessica to see My Science project , it has not been updated for a long time , but my experimenting continues. JB Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:21:16 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:20:58 -0700 Received: from igsrsparc1.er.usgs.GOV by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:20:52 -0700 Received: from as5200p29.er.usgs.gov (as5200p29.er.usgs.gov [130.11.4.29]) by igsrsparc1.er.usgs.GOV (EMAIL 1.2.1) with SMTP id UAA23710 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:15:25 -0500 Message-ID: <199901220115.UAA23710@igsrsparc1.er.usgs.GOV> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:13:52 -0500 To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG From: tatiana@well.com (Tatiana Divens) Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Test Please Read >At 04:55 27/11/98 -0000, you wrote: >> >>"That is not dead which can eternal lie, >>And with strange aeons even death may die. " > >The Mad Sci List is ALIVE ! , sort of. > >Anyone onlist who has an unhealthy interest in microwave ovens ,might like >to have a look at my very outdated www page. >http://www.spin.net.au/~blackj >click on Jessica to see My Science project , it has not been updated for a >long time , but my experimenting continues. > >JB delete tatiana@well.com Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:48:42 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:48:25 -0700 Received: from laurel.emich.edu by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:48:19 -0700 Received: from dwolak.merit.edu (pm453-35.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.189]) by ONLINE.EMICH.EDU (PMDF V5.2-29 #28094) with SMTP id <01J6THTP48Q290NV6N@ONLINE.EMICH.EDU> for Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:39:43 EST Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:50:35 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Wolak" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Faster space travel To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <003201be45ba$5f28de20$bd146ec6@dwolak.merit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about if you took a conventional spacecraft and just gradually accelerated it, keeping the g-forces down to say, no more than 1.5-2 g's? Dan -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Barnes To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 4:19 AM Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list >Think Of a design of a craft that can handle the stress of traveling the >speed of light than we will talk > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Return-Path: Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:34:28 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:34:09 -0700 Received: from smtp.WPI.EDU by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:34:03 -0700 Received: from wpi.WPI.EDU (jeffie@wpi.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.6]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA18523 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:28:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:28:47 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Francis Haynes Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Faster space travel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry, realitivity is very explicit. Here's what would happen. Say you had a lot of room to get going. You start with a nice comfortable acceleration of 1g. After a good amount of time you're up to about .5c (half the speed of light or about 1.5e8 m/s). By now the realitivistic effects are apparent (not to you but to a casual observer) and time has slowed down for you in relation to him plus you're shorter along the direction of travel. So you keep accelerating with this incredible new engine (powered by Gamma particles possibly) and you're now up at maybe .99c. Up to now, unless you're what particle-physicists refer to as a "zero-time particle" which has no mass (theoretically), your journey has required a fantastic amount of energy but that's nothing compared to what's ahead. As you go faster and faster more and more energy is required for each additional "mph" although this wouldn't be apparent to you (hence, the term "realitivity") and you would keep supplying energy, traveling along your merry way. Here's the thing: if you were ever to breach the speed of light somehow, you wouldn't be able to see yourself in a mirror since the photons would never get there. That's the question Einstein (is supposed to have) FIRST asked himself. Newton says if you're traveling in a straight line with no acceleration on you (which means you can't be turning anyway, hence in a straight line) you can't know how fast you're traveling. Einstein simply extends that to say, if you were to wake up one morning, stumble into the bathroom and say nothing in the mirror, you would either be a vampire or faster-than-light capable. Einstein says "That can't be true!" because it violates the classic law of realitivity (which Newton came up with in the first place but for different reasons). The reason is simple: you can have no way of knowing how fast you're going without reference and if you disappeared in the mirror, you would. This was a ridiculous assumption and no one took it seriously at first but there are ways of testing it (light bending around stars, etc.) and since 1904 when he first came up with the idea, that's exactly what's been done. Interestingly, in 1921 Einstein recieved the nobel prize for wave-particle duality of light but NEVER recieved it for Realitivity which is now considered one of the most important conclusions of the 20th century. - Jeff | Jeff Haynes | EE, WPI | Worcester, MA | http://www.wpi.edu/~jeffie | jeffie@wpi.edu | | "Intellectuals cannot go on forever avoiding their share of | responsibility for the world and hiding their distaste for | politics under an alleged need to be independent." | | - Vaclav Havel on why he accepted | the position as President of | Czechoslovakia. |______________________________________________________________ On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Daniel J. Wolak wrote: > How about if you took a conventional spacecraft and just gradually > accelerated it, keeping the g-forces down to say, no more than 1.5-2 g's? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Barnes > To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG > Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 4:19 AM > Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list > > > >Think Of a design of a craft that can handle the stress of traveling the > >speed of light than we will talk > > > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > Archive-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:37:46 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Rott20745@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:32:05 EST To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What ? Who ? What truck ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well...just cause you're paranoid does'nt mean that somebody's not really out to get you: how is it that just the suggestion of being pressured is really a plot to destroy your being and make things dicey for a time. really...paranoia is such an ego trip eh? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:20:33 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Message-ID: <002a01be46b0$b99fd240$bc9619c4@polgara> From: "Gandalf" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Subject: Re: Removal from list Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:14:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - >Please remove gandalf@acenet.co.za from list > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 05:48:26 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 05:42:55 MST From: Nigel Sharp Reply-To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@MAD-SCIENTISTS.ORG CC: sharp@noao.edu Message-ID: <009D2A1B.B07A3E72.1@vms.noao.edu> Subject: Madness is the only sane response to an insane world Paranoia: you actually know what's going on Coincidence: you weren't paying attention to the rest of what was going on The moose and car is simple: conservation of momentum and the fact that everything takes a finite time. I felt Jeff went a bit too far with his formulae, but if you're going to use numbers why not actually use the moose and car numbers ? Much more fun. For simple physics lessons in leverage and conservation of momentum, simply watch America's Funniest Home Videos, or whatever it's being called now. As to exploring outer space, history is full of people who made the great break from everything familiar and went out into the unknown, often dying for their pioneer spirit. I doubt that we would have any trouble crewing an interstellar spaceship tomorrow whatever the timeline or penalties. Don't forget, I'm at the South Pole where 43 people have volunteered to be locked in all winter in darkness with only each other and an environment that kills quickly (it gets down to -110F air temperature). Nigel PS I'm not a pioneer, I only come here in the summer when it's warmer than much of the states (currently -16F, windchill -47F). ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 06:05:39 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Message-ID: <19990123125957.25386.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Joseph Barnes" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM Subject: Space Travel Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 04:59:56 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain People, I'm talking about possible Space Travel And you Keep Referring to A suicidal Moose Jumping Into the Back of A Convertible?! The Theory of Traveling Faster the The speed of Light is A project NASA Has been working on for Years. The Use of Gamma radiation For Propulsion is because Gamma Waves Travel faster than the speed of Light. Using the radiation to direct some thing is a Theory being complicated right now. How to harness it? How to direct it? and How to Use It? The talk of Moose in cars going 60 mph is totally of base and is a problem that will be address in the future. We will cross that bridge when We Come to it. Also I would Like to throw out the possibility of reanimating Dead Bodies for the purpose of resurrecting the Dead. It can Be done If it was contemplated hard Enough. If anyone wish to discuss any of the above subjects, Please Feel Free to Email Me at sarak@hotmail.com or check out my website at Igor to The Doctor," Master, Please Don't Beat me with the Chains!" Doctor," Okay My Hunchback Assistant. I'll use the wet noodle." Joseph Barnes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 06:59:43 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: LMAShaw@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <2d967324.36a9d478@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:54:00 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Question about the ISoMS list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speed of light for time travel is resolved by relativity. The speed is relative to adjacent space. Speed increments increasing in zones toward your ship will overcome the problem. The concept of Spacial Adjacencies will be first proposed in 2010 but hte work will not begin on the "ship" until 2156. L ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 07:01:35 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: LMAShaw@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <593fca24.36a9d477@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:53:59 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dont worry about Y2K I'm a traveller from the future and we had no trouble in 3000. There was a lot of hype but now we look back from 3008 it all seemed to be scaremongering designed to make jobs in the computer industry! L ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:53:55 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Vesta111@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:47:46 EST To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Madness is the only sane response to an insane world Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/99 8:09:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, sharp@vms.noao.edu writes: << As to exploring outer space, history is full of people who made the great break from everything familiar and went out into the unknown, often dying for their pioneer spirit. I doubt that we would have any trouble crewing an interstellar spaceship tomorrow whatever the timeline or penalties. Don't forget, I'm at the South Pole where 43 people have volunteered to be locked in all winter in darkness with only each other and an environment that kills quickly (it gets down to -110F air temperature). >> I can relate to your statement about the pioneer spirit, at the moment my family are inthralled with a sports program on t.v. about extreme winter sports. It is clear no one in their right or wrong mind has ever tried these stunts that cost over $1,000,000 just for R&D. Humans will do the wierdest things. I amagine much of your time in the freezer owes its small conforts to the people who pioneered in the submarine service. I was fortunate to have been raised amoungst those insane men who spent months in isolation with 126 other men confined to a windowless tube hundreds of feet below the surface of the sea. Everything was done to keep these dudes sane, knowing they were sitting on a nuclesr plant with 18 tubes full of nuclear missels that could wipe life from this planet , not your normal family men or citizens. The difference with these tests of fortitude and spirit is a sub crew knows they can say-- screw this crap -- and go home. A crew in space is in a marriage with no divorce and no chance to cheat. Bummer!!! By the way, I remember something about Antartica having the dubious honor of recording its first murder a couple of years ago. I am not surprised , seems to me it would not be unreasonable to think of you people as rabid dogs when the relief boats or planes get to you. How do you guys keep from hollering "Heres Jonny" and kicking in doors? IF we go into space, a big IF, you can be sure you who serve in Antartica , your phycology tests and results will be scanned to make life liveable out there. You Sir or Madam are a guinne pig for the shrinks of the future. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:01:59 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:56:20 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Francis Haynes Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG CC: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I wish you would let the faster-than-light travel ideas go for now. The fact of the matter is that the moose has everything in the world to do with your gamma particles and no matter how much gratuitous Capitalization You Employ, Its Not Going To Change That. If you want to persue fringe physics, make sure you are well versed in the basics first. If we really want to bypass light, I think the best approach is a "hole" in space which is a phenomenon actually suggested by realitivity. In regards to pioneering space, NASA has actually found over the years that pioneering attitudes are not at all lacking in supply. Going to Mars is an excellent case because it's unlike anything we've ever done before. There is a 45min radio down-time between here and there so you're essentially on your own of anything goes wrong. However, there is no question in the project planner's minds that they will have volunteers aplenty if they decide to go. I think a good rule for everything in life is that if you can even see how some might possibly want to try something, then there are, in reality, people who would die for it. In regards to Nigel, I was just curious as to your comment on the moose. Were you implying that my equations were in err in some way? I believe the physics are sound, but if you feel they warrant correction, please let me know. Thanks, Jeff | Jeff Haynes | EE, WPI | Worcester, MA | http://www.wpi.edu/~jeffie | jeffie@wpi.edu | | "Intellectuals cannot go on forever avoiding their share of | responsibility for the world and hiding their distaste for | politics under an alleged need to be independent." | | - Vaclav Havel on why he accepted | the position as President of | Czechoslovakia. |______________________________________________________________ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:03:50 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:56:20 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Francis Haynes Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG CC: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I wish you would let the faster-than-light travel ideas go for now. The fact of the matter is that the moose has everything in the world to do with your gamma particles and no matter how much gratuitous Capitalization You Employ, Its Not Going To Change That. If you want to persue fringe physics, make sure you are well versed in the basics first. If we really want to bypass light, I think the best approach is a "hole" in space which is a phenomenon actually suggested by realitivity. In regards to pioneering space, NASA has actually found over the years that pioneering attitudes are not at all lacking in supply. Going to Mars is an excellent case because it's unlike anything we've ever done before. There is a 45min radio down-time between here and there so you're essentially on your own of anything goes wrong. However, there is no question in the project planner's minds that they will have volunteers aplenty if they decide to go. I think a good rule for everything in life is that if you can even see how some might possibly want to try something, then there are, in reality, people who would die for it. In regards to Nigel, I was just curious as to your comment on the moose. Were you implying that my equations were in err in some way? I believe the physics are sound, but if you feel they warrant correction, please let me know. Thanks, Jeff | Jeff Haynes | EE, WPI | Worcester, MA | http://www.wpi.edu/~jeffie | jeffie@wpi.edu | | "Intellectuals cannot go on forever avoiding their share of | responsibility for the world and hiding their distaste for | politics under an alleged need to be independent." | | - Vaclav Havel on why he accepted | the position as President of | Czechoslovakia. |______________________________________________________________ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:50:49 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Rott20745@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:44:59 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1K...2K...3K...who cares. its all rather monolithic, time-stamped, unicentral thought. can we try and really fix things up? set yerself to that...i have for years ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:40:48 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Gneevah@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:35:09 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used to go to a site called Mad Scientist I found in the UK.. Is that you? I doubt it but why, pray tell, am I getting mail from you and your followers? An answer would be appreciated, you don't even have to try to sound smart when you reply. Thanks, Geneva ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 04:27:57 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Rott20745@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <4d7c82e9.36ab024b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 06:21:47 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Space Travel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit one question...when did gamma radiation decide to break the laws of physics? on checking the em radiation chart (got one?) it is noted that even though the gamma band is way up on the high end of the chart, it is still electromagnetic in nature. just like radio waves, light, and etc. it can't travel faster than light any more than a moose can hitch a lift. another thing is that most cars (especially covertables) don't sport moose sized seat belts. safety first kiddes. on the subject of safety, hitting an object with a mass of one gram has the inertia of a major continent when your travelling at relatavistic speeds. a collision such as this would definately ruin your day. lets work on sub-space transporters and cut the fumbling around in clumsy spacecraft. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 04:41:31 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Romper7096@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 06:35:46 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I'm not sure why i received the em from you ? Has Gneevah being trying to contact me or something ? Romper7096 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 04:51:25 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 04:36:55 MST From: Nigel Sharp Reply-To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@MAD-SCIENTISTS.ORG CC: sharp@noao.edu Message-ID: <009D2ADB.A230D4E6.1@vms.noao.edu> Subject: Why do we have to be sane ? We're MAD scientists ! One of the nice things about only coming to the pole in the summer is they don't make US do a psychiatric exam: only the winterovers get to do that, along with all that icky bonding "fall backwards and trust them to catch you" sort of over-charged feel-good course ... shudder. But I still think, even with the caveat of "it's only a year", or "we can always surface", that there are more than enough crazy pioneers who would go out to the stars if we provided the means. Which brings me to ... FTL travel. Star Trek notwithstanding, uh huh, no way, not without new physics (always a caveat). Right now a) gamma radiation IS light and does not travel faster than light and cannot propel to light speed due to the relativistic mass increase - i.e. with current physics you will never take a material object and accelerate it until it registers as travelling faster than the speed of light with respect to its starting point. Which brings us to wormholes, a disgraceful invention of mathematicians doing analytic continuation without regard for physics (which imposes boundary conditions). Regrettably, recent work has demonstrated that Einsteinian wormholes are unstable, in that any perturbation collapes the throat: no material object could approach a wormhole without sending ahead of itself some sort of disturbance (light, gravity waves) which would close the wormhole before it got there itself. Sorry. So your only hope is WARP DRIVE, because that doesn't fit in normal space and therefore requires new physics. But remember - new physics cannot invalidate the old physics - we aren't going to wake up and discover inertia is no more or our cars don't need engines to overcome friction. And I am an astrophysicist (sorry). Jeff's momentum example was correct, although it would have been more fun to use the moose and car, and perhaps easier to follow: my students generally have no trouble with elastic billiard balls and inelastic car collisions (I must start using the moose, though!), but don't like inelastic billiards, because it's counter to their experience. You cannot do it with kinetic energy, however, because inelastic collisions don't conserve KE (some of it goes into those fun deformations, aka dents - why do you think it's called a fender bender - it takes energy to bend fenders). Enough of this sanity. I want the transporter. I had to travel 11000 miles over a week to get here, and it's a pain (ever sat in a Hercules transport ? the seats are designed so the marines are actually HAPPY to jump out of the 'plane rather than sit there any longer). Now, the information content of a human being, plus the energy required to create the mass .. no wait, we can get the energy when we destroy the original mass, but then it won't be FTL either ... hm Anyone know why a mouse when it spins ? Nigel ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 06:38:02 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: SarahProf@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:32:12 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG CC: Gneevah@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G ... Thank you! My sentiments completely. Have a positive day all. Sarah! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:17:22 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Vesta111@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <90b1c6d6.36ab5430@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:11:12 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Space Travel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a question I could never find anyone to answer. My math goes as far as pre -algerbra and I need visuals so please talk down to me, way down. Here goes, its about the speed of light. so you have this clump of light flying off the sun and it hits an object and bounces off it and continues on its way. does it slow down from the bounce, does the bounce cause it to speed up ( as on a trampoline) ? Could you increase the speed of light by whiping it, a crack the whip thing-ie. can you slow the speed of light by some form or other. Can we use light itself to travel ?? I have heard of sola winds, but could we harnes light as we did the atom?? The comment about a moose hitching a ride brought this long unanswered question back to me. Another dumb question, If you are driving along at 30 mph and are hit in the rear by a driver going 100 mph, your speed will increase, so if our little clump of light smaked into another clump of light will our clump be absorbed by the leader clump or will the leaders speed increase ? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:34:36 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:29:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Francis Haynes Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM CC: MAD-SCIENTISTS@MAD-SCIENTISTS.ORG, sharp@noao.edu Subject: Re: Why do we have to be sane ? We're MAD scientists ! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Which brings us to wormholes, a disgraceful invention of mathematicians doing > analytic continuation without regard for physics (which imposes boundary > conditions). Regrettably, recent work has demonstrated that Einsteinian > wormholes are unstable, in that any perturbation collapes the throat: no > material object could approach a wormhole without sending ahead of itself > some sort of disturbance (light, gravity waves) which would close the > wormhole before it got there itself. Sorry. > I'm not sure I agree with this. I was under the impression that there were some clever (if difficult) ways proposed for stablizing them. I'm not saying I think it's practicle and it's probably not the answer, but if you could work up an energy field or gravity field of sorts that was strong enough, couldn't you counter the collapse force? Obviously, I'm not an astrophysicist but I think this fringe physics stuff is extreamly cool. (Hey, they're playing "Galileo" on the radio! How appropriate...). > > and therefore requires new physics. But remember - new physics cannot > invalidate the old physics - we aren't going to wake up and discover inertia > This is a frame of mind we simply CANNOT allow ourselves to fall into. If we decide that all proofs, conjectures and "laws" we have created thus far are locked in and can't be changed, we will certainly fail. Newton was wrong if extreamly close and it took the world twenty years to wake up to that fact. Heliocentric solarsystems got many a man locked away by egocentric people who wouldn't abandon previous ideas. On May 19, 1859 the Society of Anthropology of Paris gathered for the first time. This was the same year the "The Origin of Species", a book challenging almost everything anyone believed about the nature of creation, was first published. One of the members of that society was Paul Broca, a brilliant brain anatomist. He too, challengerd the present state of mind of the world around him and spoke that night as a spy from the French government watched (the French governent, as well as the church was less than impressed with anthropology and opposed its development). Brocca believed in the free persuit of knowledge, untinted by existing bigotry. Of him and, I believe, of many others, the late Carl Sagan had to say this: "One way to repay Paul Broca for this lesson which he has inadvertently provided us is to challenge, deeply and seriously, our most strongly held beliefs". I caution anyone who feels that we're presently in a stable state of science (and I in no way refer to Nigel here) to read more history and ask yourself if we're inherently different from those who have made the same mistake before us. > And I am an astrophysicist (sorry). > I'm not :) But I am impressed! > Jeff's momentum example was correct, although it would have been more fun to > use the moose and car, and perhaps easier to follow: my students generally have Sorry, it was with much pain that I gave up the moose example but I thought asking my audience to abondon friction and all other factors under such conditions was a stretch. However, if you care to think of it in this manner, replace the large ball with a convertable (with industrial size seat belts) and the second ball with the moose. Dents and such as well as heat and energy noise (although dents are actually a form of heat dissipation) should be ignored. The math is the same. > > Anyone know why a mouse when it spins ? > What? > Nigel > - Jeff ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:34:50 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:29:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Francis Haynes Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM CC: MAD-SCIENTISTS@MAD-SCIENTISTS.ORG, sharp@noao.edu Subject: Re: Why do we have to be sane ? We're MAD scientists ! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Which brings us to wormholes, a disgraceful invention of mathematicians doing > analytic continuation without regard for physics (which imposes boundary > conditions). Regrettably, recent work has demonstrated that Einsteinian > wormholes are unstable, in that any perturbation collapes the throat: no > material object could approach a wormhole without sending ahead of itself > some sort of disturbance (light, gravity waves) which would close the > wormhole before it got there itself. Sorry. > I'm not sure I agree with this. I was under the impression that there were some clever (if difficult) ways proposed for stablizing them. I'm not saying I think it's practicle and it's probably not the answer, but if you could work up an energy field or gravity field of sorts that was strong enough, couldn't you counter the collapse force? Obviously, I'm not an astrophysicist but I think this fringe physics stuff is extreamly cool. (Hey, they're playing "Galileo" on the radio! How appropriate...). > > and therefore requires new physics. But remember - new physics cannot > invalidate the old physics - we aren't going to wake up and discover inertia > This is a frame of mind we simply CANNOT allow ourselves to fall into. If we decide that all proofs, conjectures and "laws" we have created thus far are locked in and can't be changed, we will certainly fail. Newton was wrong if extreamly close and it took the world twenty years to wake up to that fact. Heliocentric solarsystems got many a man locked away by egocentric people who wouldn't abandon previous ideas. On May 19, 1859 the Society of Anthropology of Paris gathered for the first time. This was the same year the "The Origin of Species", a book challenging almost everything anyone believed about the nature of creation, was first published. One of the members of that society was Paul Broca, a brilliant brain anatomist. He too, challengerd the present state of mind of the world around him and spoke that night as a spy from the French government watched (the French governent, as well as the church was less than impressed with anthropology and opposed its development). Brocca believed in the free persuit of knowledge, untinted by existing bigotry. Of him and, I believe, of many others, the late Carl Sagan had to say this: "One way to repay Paul Broca for this lesson which he has inadvertently provided us is to challenge, deeply and seriously, our most strongly held beliefs". I caution anyone who feels that we're presently in a stable state of science (and I in no way refer to Nigel here) to read more history and ask yourself if we're inherently different from those who have made the same mistake before us. > And I am an astrophysicist (sorry). > I'm not :) But I am impressed! > Jeff's momentum example was correct, although it would have been more fun to > use the moose and car, and perhaps easier to follow: my students generally have Sorry, it was with much pain that I gave up the moose example but I thought asking my audience to abondon friction and all other factors under such conditions was a stretch. However, if you care to think of it in this manner, replace the large ball with a convertable (with industrial size seat belts) and the second ball with the moose. Dents and such as well as heat and energy noise (although dents are actually a form of heat dissipation) should be ignored. The math is the same. > > Anyone know why a mouse when it spins ? > What? > Nigel > - Jeff ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:56:09 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:46:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Francis Haynes Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Space Travel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I'll take a shot at that. Light does not speed up or slow down as it reflects off any surface. It also does not "collide" with other photons as far as we know. It does, however, travel more slowly through some mediums, such as glass or water than it does through air (or space). The mathematics, I believe, are quantum and so are not only above you but are above 99.9% of the Earth's population, including myself. This is a little strange (that light reflections are completely elastics, but they are. Some light is absorbed in most cases just like a microwave heats up whatever you put in it, both are electromagnetic radiation. Only one speed has ever been measured for light in a give medium and that's 3e8 (or 300000000) meters per second in space and there is a very simple equation for altering that depeding on the index of refraction for a given medium. That's more or less the extent of my understanding on the topic but I'll look through some books here and see if I can't find a better answer. The reason light is allowed to travel at the speed of light is because it's self defining and also because it is "born" at that speed. If you suddenly found yourself traveling at the speed of light with no explanation for how you got to that state (this is thought to be impossible), you would be fine and not in violation of any laws since realitivity only prohibits accelerating to that speed. Light itself dosen't violate those laws since it is already there when it starts (and this goes for all electromagnetic radiation - xrays, gamma, microwave, etc.). There dosen't seem to be anyway that you could use light to accelerate to those speeds any more than you could use a Ford Pinto. As for the trampoline, that's a common misconception. The trampoline dosen't make you go higher, you do. You supply the energy nessesary by jumping and the trampoline just provides a more elastic collision than the ground does. Maybe Nigel can give you a more satisfactory answer to the prior part. - Jeff On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 Vesta111@aol.com wrote: > Here is a question I could never find anyone to answer. > > My math goes as far as pre -algerbra and I need visuals so please talk > down to me, way down. > > Here goes, its about the speed of light. so you have this clump > of light flying off the sun and it hits an object and bounces off it and > continues on its way. does it slow down from the bounce, does the bounce cause > it to speed up ( as on a trampoline) ? Could you increase the speed of light > by whiping it, a crack the whip thing-ie. can you slow the speed of light > by some form or other. Can we use light itself to travel ?? > I have heard of sola winds, but could we harnes light as we did the > atom?? The comment about a moose hitching a ride brought this long > unanswered question back to me. > Another dumb question, If you are driving along at 30 mph and are > hit in the rear by a driver going 100 mph, your speed will increase, so if our > little clump of light smaked into another clump of light will our clump be > absorbed by the leader clump or will the leaders speed increase ? > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:17:51 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:12:14 MST From: Nigel Sharp Reply-To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG CC: sharp@noao.edu Message-ID: <009D2B23.9F551776.9@vms.noao.edu> Subject: Re: Space Travel > Here goes, its about the speed of light. so you have this clump >of light flying off the sun and it hits an object and bounces off it and >continues on its way. does it slow down from the bounce, does the bounce cause >it to speed up ( as on a trampoline) ? Could you increase the speed of light >by whiping it, a crack the whip thing-ie. can you slow the speed of light >by some form or other. > ... > Another dumb question, If you are driving along at 30 mph and are >hit in the rear by a driver going 100 mph, your speed will increase, so if our >little clump of light smaked into another clump of light will our clump be >absorbed by the leader clump or will the leaders speed increas? One of the key insights of relativity is that light is different. Our normal perceptions of how things behave are no longer accurate as we approach the speed of light. In particular, the additive nature of speed changes, so that "v + v" is no longer simply "2v" for any speed v. What happens when light interacts, whether with itself or with anything else, is that it can change energy, and therefore wavelength and frequency, without changing speed. This is the key to, for example, the police radar gun: radio waves (which are light of longer wavelength) when reflecting off a vehicle change frequency. The bounce is detected by the radar gun, which compares the received frequency to the transmitted frequency and calculates your speed. This is easier to picture if you thinmk of light/radio/UV/gamma/infrared/etc radiation as a wave and not as particles called photons. Without getting into quantum stuff, this whole bit about "wave particle duality" is rather misleading: it isn't a wave or a particle, it's light, and it behaves like light behaves. We just don't have a mental picture for it, so we find it convenient to picture the behaviour sometimes as a wave and sometimes as a particle, but light isn't either, it's just light: the "duality" is just in our mental pictures. But it's easier to see that its speed doesn't change if you think of it as a wave and picture, e.g., water waves bouncing off a pier. By the way, I really believe there are no dumb questions. It's only dumb to go on feeling puzzled, without asking (not an attitude high schools seem to like to encourage - making students feel dumb seems to be a standard teacher trick, unfortunately). > ... Can we use light itself to travel ?? ... > I have heard of sola winds, but could we harnes light as we did the >atom?? The comment about a moose hitching a ride brought this long >unanswered question back to me. Ah now, this is much more fun. According to simple rocketry, the ultimate speed limit to which a rocket can attain is precisely the speed of whatever it is you eject out the back to propel the rocket. Thus, using light as a propellant is the best you can do. The problem is that it has a very low energy density, so the acceleration you get is very small, but if you have time, it's the way to get to the highest speed - the light sail idea is quite feasible, it just starts out slowly. In fact, in various high energy objects in space, we think we see precisely hitch-hiking particles being propelled along by energetic radiation (and, under the right conditions, light having its energy changed by colliding with very fast-moving particles of matter). Astrophysics is all about extreme conditions, which we cannot hope to try out in any lab., and testing the edges of physical theories. Nigel ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:40:58 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:35:21 MST From: Nigel Sharp Reply-To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@MAD-SCIENTISTS.ORG Message-ID: <009D2B26.DA150A76.2@vms.noao.edu> Subject: New physics > > Which brings us to wormholes, [which] are unstable, ... >I'm not sure I agree with this. I was under the impression that there >were some clever (if difficult) ways proposed for stablizing them. ... I haven't seen anything which makes sense in our universe, but I'm prepared to entertain the idea that something could be thought up. Personally, I still think that wormholes don't give you travel between different parts of our universe (which is an offshoot of my rude remark about mathematicians), but stable configurations might yet be found. But not yet. > ... I'm not an astrophysicist but I think this fringe physics stuff > is extreamly cool. So do I. It's easily the most fun field of physics to work in ... I just like to keep the speculation on a firm footing. Now, if we go to the physics of Star Trek and Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica (ick), we could just toss current real-world physics to the stars ... and the physics of cartoons is even more entertaining. > > and therefore requires new physics. But remember - new physics cannot > > invalidate the old physics - we aren't going to wake up and discover inertia > >This is a frame of mind we simply CANNOT allow ourselves to fall into. > ... I've been misunderstood, so clearly I didn't explain sufficiently. None of what we currently observe will change whatever new physics gets introduced. Darwin didn't change the understood facts about the anatomy of any animal, for example. Einstein didn't invalidate Newton's laws - he simply restricted the range over which they were applicable. Nothing in relativity changed the way you drive a car: you still get into trouble driving into a brick wall, the speed at which you can go round a curve without skidding didn't change, you still need a way to overcome friction, etc. I am not saying that our current laws are inviolate and immutable - that would be very silly, as well as historically naive, as Jeff points out. But we will continue to run our trains and even send out ballistic missiles the same old way, because the physics that applies to those scales (of size, speed, gravity, whatever) will be the same, even if a new theory reveals new realms outside that experience where behaviour is very different (as relativity already did for high speeds and very strong gravity). > > And I am an astrophysicist (sorry). > I'm not :) But I am impressed! Don't be. It's just a job. Or was that sarcasm ? > > Anyone know why a mouse when it spins ? >What? Apparently not Jeff. Anyone else ? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:25:29 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Message-ID: <016101be47e6$8ce01b20$4f78a8c2@oemcomputer> From: "Paul Howland" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: , CC: Subject: Re: What ? Who ? What truck ? Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:09:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Nigel You were at the south pole ~ 18 months ago? I remember talking to someone there via the MS group!!! Can you answer a question ... What time zone are you in? This came up in a discussion about the milenium. Thanks Paul paul.howland1@virgin.net -----Original Message----- >Why does activity only start up on Mad Scientists when I am at the >South Pole ? Should I be paranoid (as if anyone SHOULD be paranoid) ? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:25:42 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Message-ID: <016101be47e6$8ce01b20$4f78a8c2@oemcomputer> From: "Paul Howland" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: , CC: Subject: Re: What ? Who ? What truck ? Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:09:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Nigel You were at the south pole ~ 18 months ago? I remember talking to someone there via the MS group!!! Can you answer a question ... What time zone are you in? This came up in a discussion about the milenium. Thanks Paul paul.howland1@virgin.net -----Original Message----- >Why does activity only start up on Mad Scientists when I am at the >South Pole ? Should I be paranoid (as if anyone SHOULD be paranoid) ? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 02:09:14 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:03:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Vernon Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Remove Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:29:54 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Message-ID: <199901251424.XAA27758@smtp02.mail.gol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:27:43 +0900 To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG From: ikkie Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Remove ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:43:59 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:38:15 MST From: Nigel Sharp Reply-To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@MAD-SCIENTISTS.ORG CC: sharp@noao.edu Message-ID: <009D2BBE.2221AFC6.15@vms.noao.edu> Subject: me again Yes, it's the same me who was at the South Pole last year - hence my original comment. It seems we never see much traffic on Mad Scientists until I come here. Coincidence ? I think not ... Right now I'm contemplating whether I want to be here again next year (actually, later this year): I don't think I can arrange to be here for Jan.1st 2000, but ... The Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station (its full name) is a U.S. base and runs on New Zealand time, as the U.S. support base is in Christchurch. There is a really really dumb plan afoot, which will probably happen, to switch the pole to Denver time (don't ask) once the station closes for the winter and only the crazies are left. In case anyone wonders, we have refurbished our infrared camera and put it back on the telescope today: a few more days of testing and I can go home. This year I missed Christmas, New Year's, and my daughter's third birthday. I think maybe I shall go back to pure theory and not mess around with instruments again ! Nigel ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:51:48 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: "John Johnston" To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:45:41 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: c Reply-To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM Message-ID: <5E5CB4E1C89@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk> H'ya, I thought that light slowed down in anything other than a vacuum due to the presence of the electromagnetic fields from the atoms etc.; can't remember exactly but I don't think its all that quantum. Anyone care to refresh my memory? :-) It _is_ possible to get speeds of light higher than 3 * 10 to the 8 m s-1, but only phase velocities, the group velocity is always lower than or equal to that number. And as it's the group velocity that carries your information, you can't send any information faster than that. Damn maths constructs :-). As for sanity on long voyages... I found myself going nuts, after only two weeks living by myself. In the middle of a city! But so long as there is plenty of company (First Hundred? :-|) )... I think thats all that counts. Good luck to you! Yours, John Johnston [astrophysicist too, but not a very good one] S'ya! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:51:43 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:54:44 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Wolak" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: What ? Who ? What truck ? To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM Message-ID: <001001be48e8$0364c1e0$90146ec6@dwolak.merit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're at the South Pole once again? Awesome! Again, I envy you! How is the astronomical work going? Was it infrared or x-ray? I forget. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Sharp To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@MAD-SCIENTISTS.ORG Cc: sharp@noao.edu Date: Friday, January 22, 1999 6:10 AM Subject: What ? Who ? What truck ? >Why does activity only start up on Mad Scientists when I am at the >South Pole ? Should I be paranoid (as if anyone SHOULD be paranoid) ? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:12:25 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:15:01 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Wolak" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Madness is the only sane response to an insane world To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM Message-ID: <004701be48ea$d577d4e0$90146ec6@dwolak.merit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >PS I'm not a pioneer, I only come here in the summer when it's warmer than much >of the states (currently -16F, windchill -47F). Yes, and you're probably not getting quite as much snow as we are either! Dan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:24:16 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:26:39 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Wolak" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <005201be48ec$749ed2c0$90146ec6@dwolak.merit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Dont worry about Y2K >I'm a traveller from the future and we had no trouble in 3000. There was a lot >of hype but now we look back from 3008 it all seemed to be scaremongering >designed to make jobs in the computer industry! >L Hmm..that makes sense, about the extra jobs. So, how are things in 3008? I kinda figured there were some time travellers around, just sorta hiding out and laying low. But, are you guys here to try to alter the future, or is it just strictly for historical/biographical purposes? Also, are time machines quite common in your era, I mean..could the average person pick one up at K-mart? Dan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 05:39:52 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Message-ID: <19990126123424.7466.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Joseph Barnes" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re-animating The Dead Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 04:34:24 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Okay Let's Get off the space Travel for a minute and try this for size. Doctor Victor Frankenstien created A creature from the corpses of Recently dead victims and sew the parts together, better than all the King's Horses And the King's men did with Humpy Dumpy. My Nephew recently finish reading Frankenstien and asked if it was possible to re-animate the dead and could he practice on frogs. I know of a lot of difficulties that have to over come in order for this to happen so I would Appreciate any inquires or suggestions before he starts dissecting the cat. "Why Do Rats spin for Budweiser and Not Jack Daniels?" Joseph Barnes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:57:32 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Vesta111@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <4d8502e7.36adf2a0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:51:44 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re-animating The Dead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Nephew recently finish reading Frankenstien and asked if it was possible to re-animate the dead and could he practice on frogs.--------- Sounds like your nephew has some kind of mental make-up that is wonderful to watch develope and mature. First, one must define what dead is. If you were to loose your finger to an accident, the finger is dead but you are still alive and non worse the experience. Some people and animals become Brain dead yet the body lives. The brain is not completely dead as some part of it controls the breathing that is necessary to move the blood along. We hear of people who are body dead who are revived to tell of "after life experiences". Ever find a dead mouse under the stove. It smells to high heaven. Once blood flow stops to tissue decay begins. This is death, the decay of anything from a cow to a flower in a pot of water. We cannot re-animate a leg with gangreen, it must come off before the decay spreads and the toxins from the decay kill the host. Get your nephew some seeds, sprouting seeds are great for this, or even dried kidney beans will do. Place the hard, rock like beans in a jar of water, drain and place in the dark. Do this twice a day for a couple of days and the boy will see the "ROCK" come to life, he can even eat the darn thing. The seeds have the potential for life, once living things have built up toxin from decay , it has lost its potential, the only thing that can survive will be the DNA. Now your DNA can be used to clone another with most of the origional charastics of the origional, we do not yet know if that includes finger prints but I think not. This is the only way to re-animate the dead that we have at this time, and a good thing too. Some things should be studied and turned inside out for knowledge, and then left the heck alone. We through our expermenting with food crops have developed vegetables that cannot reproduce with out the help of man. Check out the English Bull Dog, man has through meddling with the breed caused it to become man dependant, the female cannot give birth normally now because we insisted in bigger heads on the beasts. So a cesserian must be undertaken. If man no longer existed the bull dog would die out also as would the hy-bread vegetables we have so joyfully introduced to the world. No matter what wonderful things we invent or discover, someone somewhere is going to take that knowledge and use it to make themselves happy and make others lives a living hell. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:23:26 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Rott20745@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <1680ff4c.36ae3eb1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:16:17 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re-animating The Dead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well, ladies and gentlemen, it would be better to start on a grander scale than cats. hey some don't want lives ones anyway. lets start with congress. as far as disecting cats go for it but all you can do is slice 'em up and count the rings. lets talk computers...can i take an8.4 gig hard drive and partition it into 420 20 meg bits and pretend i have alot of antique machines? will setdrive let me use dos 2.2? ok back to inertia and the moose. moose bites canbe pretty nasti. heard it from a guy from norway. ps mooseand velcro dont mix ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:32:49 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Rott20745@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:19:51 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re-animating The Dead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi back again. spinning for bud is easy. take a spin to the liquor store and get some real beer. spinning for jack daniels? Hey! just drink some and lay down. dont forget to hold on The Great and Powerful (don't drink jack anymore) Oz ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:42:49 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Rott20745@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:30:53 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Dead..oh not the band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lets get to it friends: dead is dead. At least for now thats the way it is. a seed is not life from death but a natural means of procreation. the 'potholes' that occur in Arizona come to life when filled with rain. even fish, frogs, thier food supply, and parasites. please kiddies, dont blur the line between planting a garden and re-animating say Gerald Ford. (maybe a bad pick but look at the family resemblanse..oy) oz ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:31:00 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: LMAShaw@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:24:44 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Basically time travel is purely for historical/biographical purposes. In fact its a licencable activity. The "machines" are limited by the solar government. Its easy to do as a main componemnt is only available from the moon, Io. L ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:41:24 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Romper7096@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:32:45 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thats crap .... and you know it ! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:53:41 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:56:54 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Wolak" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Reanimating Jerry Garcia To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <001c01be498f$f00409a0$73156ec6@dwolak.merit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I have to agree...dead is dead. And, perhaps the dead don't want to be re-animated. I'm sure they're happy just the way they are. I'll bet if you somehow did accomplish the feat, your zombie would end up very grumpy. It's a bit like being sound asleep and in the middle of a really good dream, and then having someone wake you. It's definitely no fun! Dan -----Original Message----- From: Rott20745@aol.com To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 5:35 PM Subject: Re: The Dead..oh not the band >Lets get to it friends: dead is dead. At least for now thats the way it is. >a seed is not life from death but a natural means of procreation. the >'potholes' that occur in Arizona come to life when filled with rain. even >fish, frogs, thier food supply, and parasites. please kiddies, dont blur the >line between planting a garden and re-animating say Gerald Ford. (maybe a bad >pick but look at the family resemblanse..oy) >oz ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:59:13 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:59:00 -0700 From: Ig00r@Mad-Scientists.ORG Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <009D2D07.EC9B6180.2@VJC.COM> Subject: RE: Re-animating The Dead > From: "Joseph Barnes" > > Okay Let's Get off the space Travel for a minute and try this for size. > Doctor Victor Frankenstien created A creature from the corpses of > Recently dead victims and sew the parts together, better than all the > King's Horses And the King's men did with Humpy Dumpy. My Nephew > recently finish reading Frankenstien and asked if it was possible to > re-animate the dead and could he practice on frogs. Perhaps your nephew is psychic as well. I believe there is actually a famous experiment you can do where frogs legs are hooked to a battery and made to kick. Since _I'm_ not dead yet though, my question is why. There's all those cut off heads in the deep freeze, but why would any one want to revive them? If in fact they could be somehow revived, or at least the life experience extracted out of them, would they still legally be considered people with rights or just 'parts'? And who's going to pay all those back income taxes? :) Actually I think there are lots of interesting ethical questions that will have to be handled in the next few years concerning bio-tech! Real live human cloning is just around the corner and the Ludites are terrified of it. Combined with digital recording and the construction of a personal experience archive/database, I think a limited form or imortality may be feasible within our lifetime. -Ig00r ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 02:11:37 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Message-ID: <19990127090608.6257.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Joseph Barnes" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: Reanimating the frog Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:06:08 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Re Animating the dead Sure Dead is Dead, I agree But Then that Brings us to the ever so head aching question. Is there is such a thing as a soul? Tissue dies because of Blood is stop flowing. But if the blood is replaced by preserving fluid, Then the tissue will stop decaying. Then have device that can send electronic pulse to certain areas , At certain times, The tissue will react That's how the brain works. Replace the brain with a device that can be control to send these controlled pulses. The Monster Is Alive! It's Alive! It's Alive! Joseph Barnes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 03:45:56 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Xjune@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 05:40:10 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Reanimating the frog Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The diagnosis of death, and particularly brain stem death, raises some interesting questions. Keeping a frogs heart beating outside the body by electrical stimulation can not be confused by any right thinking person with a modicum of intelligence, as keeping the frog alive - but what of the individual on a ventilator which appears to be sustaining their life? Visualise - a person is ventilated (ie. their breathing is mechanically sustained), thereby ensuring that the tissues of their body are well perfused with oxygen rich blood, thus no deterioration will occur in these tissues. The heart will continue to beat without external help because it has it's own intrinsic pacemaker and can beat indefinately as long as it is nourished and oxygenated by a good blood supply. The person, however is not responding to any stimuli. So... is the individual alive and deeply unconcious?? Or, are they really dead and their body is merely being kept functioning by artificial means?? This is the question that is faced when decisions have to be made to "switch off the machine", or to harvest organs for subsequent donation. We have devised some fundamental guidelines to define brain death. This serves the purpose of allowing doctors to come to a scientific decision and is recognised in law thereby alleviating them of the risk of litigation. Brain stem death can be agreed when there is a total absence of brainstem reflexes, and it can also be established that the patient is not hypoglycaemic, hypothermic (< 35C), under the influence of drug intoxication, acidosis or imbalance of urea and electrolytes. In the USA, an EEG is also required to confirm the absence of cerebral activity if brain death is to be diagnosed within 6 hours of cessation of brain activity. However, there have been a couple of contentious cases of brain death diagnosis in recent years, leading some doctors to believe that brain stem death may not necessarily mean that the higher functioning of the cerebellum is impaired, so long as the person is maintained by ventilation. So, where does this lead us?? It means that diagnosis of death is not as clear cut as we once thought, and raises many ethical dilemmas, but it in NO way leads us to believe that we can re-establish life in something, once death HAS been established. Cloning is NOT "creating" life, it is tailoring life, that is already there, to suit the scientists needs. Whether this is "good" or "bad" is another debate. The essence of life itself is ellusive, fragile and transient, and NOTHING so far has been found that can create it, or re-establish it, once it has departed. Lets enjoy the life we have, while we have it !!! June. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 03:56:00 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Rott20745@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <355819d7.36aeef26@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 05:49:10 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re-animating The Dead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the frog experiment did actually take place in italy in the 18th century i believe. it was carried out by Galvani. he experimented with early forms of electricity production such as ledden jars. also he invented what is now called "Galvani's pile" which is, in essence, a lead acid battery. if i remember correctly, the frog's leg (freshly amputated) was placed on a copper plate which was wired to one end of the pile. he then touched the leg with another wire from the other end of the pile. to his amusement, the leg twitched. if anybody has ever had the medical test called an EMG you'll find its very similar to Galvani's experiment except this time its with a DC Hypot set at 300 Volts. By the way Galvani is also credited as being the first scientist to fit his vetran frogs with little tiny peg-legs. AARRRRRibit me mateys. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 04:22:42 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: "Daniel Darling" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Subject: Exit from the club Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:05:40 -0000 Message-ID: <01be4a41$2d29db00$8ae7868b@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BE4A41.2D29DB00" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BE4A41.2D29DB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To Whom ever it may concern,=20 I recently put my name down = for your club and have subsequently been flooded with unwanted E-mails. = Could you please remove me as a member. 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Genny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:55:23 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Vesta111@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:47:46 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Reanimating the frog Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/99 5:49:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, Xjune@AOL.COM writes: << Cloning is NOT "creating" life, it is tailoring life, that is already there, to suit the scientists needs. Whether this is "good" or "bad" is another debate. >> Thank you June for a phraise I can use in debates with co-workers on a slow day. Actually your post reminds me of a situation that happend to me when I was 8 or 9 years old. We had this real old fella as a neighbor, a nice tottering old man. My Dad was building a boat in the back yard and every so often this man would come to watch the progress. Like most kids I never paid any attention to old people or could be bothered with their conversation. One day tho, the neighbor came over with a drink in hand and red runnie eyes, my mom was tisk, tisking away and went into the house. I sat behind the wood pile and listened as he and my dad talked of the "OLD DAYS" I know my dad didn"t know I was there or he would never have allowed the neighbor to talk about his former profession. Our friend was a retired undertaker. He told of his fathers and grand fathers days 'in the business' his father had been a barber and town doctor, a cut-em-up doc in the civil war. The grandfather was a barber and town doc also, guess the two run together. One of the lines of the talk that is most impressed on my mind was the fact that as late as the 60ies the undertakers kept recessatation equipment next to the table since perhaps as many as 3 people a year were carted in to be processed were not in fact dead. With refrigeration the norn now, that problem is less but it was only last year when I heard about a woman who woke up in the atopsy room at a hospital in the mid-west. She had been in an accident, declared dead and brought to the hospital. The pathologsts in the room had to be given oxygen and sedated after she sat up and demanded to know where she was. I wish I had been older and could have taped this mans memories, I only remember bits and pieces but his life had been full and rich because of the demise of others. As it is said, someone has to do it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:01:37 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Rott20745@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:56:01 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Reanimating the frog Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit actually in victorian times, there was quite a fear of being buried alive. a whole industry was based on devices to alert cemetary caretakers of a faux pas in the interrment biz. these consisted of bells and pulls that were hooked up inside the coffin. please dont get me wrong: i'm not really into this stuff but thanks to cecil adams (the straight dope) and the fair people of baltimore (they wanted to know) i have been at least able to offer this small contribution. fyi Edgar Allen Poe was absolutely phobic on this subject. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:30:51 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Xjune@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:23:15 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: where've ya'll gorn? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK Fellow scientists, where have you all disappeared to again??? Days and days of interesting, if sometimes far-fetched, theories, then - NOTHING!!!! Has some giant blackhole opened up and swallowed all the mad scientists? If so, it left me behind, like the little crippled boy in The Pied Piper of Hamlin. Either I'm not mad enough, or scientific enough!!! Come, on, keep it going. June. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:47:13 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:41:27 MST From: Nigel Sharp Reply-To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG CC: sharp@noao.edu Message-ID: <009D2E2A.D6F1E934.27@vms.noao.edu> Subject: RE: where've ya'll gorn? We're not gone, we're just busy being mad ... personally, I'm rushing to get on a 'plane and leave the South Pole ... but I'll be crazy back in Tucson soon enough ... Nigel ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:09:33 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Vesta111@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <92dc3a2d.36b09846@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:03:02 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/26/99 12:27:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, dwolak@ONLINE.EMICH.EDU writes: << Dont worry about Y2K >I'm a traveller from the future and we had no trouble in 3000. There was a lot >of hype but now we look back from 3008 it all seemed to be scaremongering >designed to make jobs in the computer industry! >L >> Oh Goody, finally someone with some answers. First, are you male or female. Wait, that is a real stupid question, you must be female since you come from the year 3,008. Makes sense since I can see with the cloning stuff going on the usefullness of the male humane is obsolete. A world of pure thought, none of this thinking with the non-brain part of the body. Students must be confused when reading history and trying to understand Bill Clintons actions, or that of any male in history, tho we don't know it yet, an indangered species in our time. Interesting world you were born into, so we were the begining architecs of your "birth time". ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:55:50 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Rott20745@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <154947a0.36b18455@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:50:13 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: where've ya'll gorn? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how about the time travel notion? anybody here for breakfast at Milliways? gee i hope you read the books. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:29:04 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990129141744.006926cc@pop.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:17:44 -0500 To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG From: Sharon Miller Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: where've ya'll gorn? PLEASE TAKE OUR NAME OFF OF YOUR E-MAIL LIST. THANK YOU! -Sharon Miller- >how about the time travel notion? anybody here for breakfast at Milliways? >gee i hope you read the books. > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:39:48 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990129142803.0069a554@pop.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:28:03 -0500 To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG From: Sharon Miller Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: where've ya'll gorn? TAKE OUR NAME OFF YOUR LIST! THANK YOU!At 09:17 AM 1/29/99 -0500, you wrote: >PLEASE TAKE OUR NAME OFF OF YOUR E-MAIL LIST. THANK YOU! >-Sharon Miller- >>how about the time travel notion? anybody here for breakfast at Milliways? >>gee i hope you read the books. >> > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:06:43 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Message-ID: <36B24B29.D152B959@student.paisley.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:58:34 -0800 From: nh952347@student.paisley.ac.uk (Nicola Houston) Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG" Subject: [Fwd: Removal from list] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C8161E80EBB0553C9137C8B1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C8161E80EBB0553C9137C8B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit get me off your list fuck off no more shit mail please!!!!!!! --------------C8161E80EBB0553C9137C8B1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from VJC.COM ([198.182.121.3]) by kelvin.student.paisley.ac.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA28285 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:27:44 +0000 Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:35:07 -0700 X-ListName: International Society of Mad Scientists Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Received: by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:30:45 -0700 Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by VJC.COM (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:30:40 -0700 Received: from AdrianDS@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MYOHa27801 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 03:25:02 -0500 (EST) From: AdrianDS@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 03:25:02 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Removal from list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please remove adriand@aol.com from list --------------C8161E80EBB0553C9137C8B1-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:55:07 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Xjune@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:49:13 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Removal from list] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well. I think Nicola's message was to the point. Maybe not exactly scientific..........but she certainly made her feelings known. :0) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:49:47 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: DrCRLaw@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <90bfab50.36b20173@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:44:03 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Removal from list] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you remove me from your list please. DrCRLaw@aol.com Thanks ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:07:18 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Message-ID: <199901291901.NAA05077@hermes.bcm.tmc.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:06:36 -0600 To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG From: June Wingert Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: Removal from list] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" She's OUTTA HERE !!! hehe At 12:49 PM 1/29/99 -0500, you wrote: >Well. >I think Nicola's message was to the point. >Maybe not exactly scientific..........but she certainly made her feelings >known. >:0) > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:40:39 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: LMAShaw@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <8e0a9cf.36b20d69@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:35:05 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm interesting theory. The sociology didnt turn out quite like that. Quaint 20th century extreme views well demonstrated though . We were taught that it was extreme politics, religeon and genderism that led to the major wars. I think you've had the first two so far........ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:57:06 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Message-ID: <19990129225257.25690.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:52:57 -0800 (PST) From: General Kaos Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: Removal from list] To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, I didn't mail you anything. I don't even know who the fuck you are. Sorry. ---Nicola Houston wrote: > > get me off your list > fuck off > no more shit mail please!!!!!!! > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > > Please remove adriand@aol.com from list > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:25:51 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:25:15 -0700 From: Igor Reply-To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM To: mad-scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Mailing list instructions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since we're all being polite now :) here's a refresher for anyone else that has memory loss due to self-experimentation and wants out: The following commands can be handled automatically by MAD-SCIENTISTS-REQUEST@Mad-Scientists.ORG: SIGNOFF - to remove yourself from the list REVIEW - to get a list of subscribers QUERY - to get the status of your entry on the list SET NOMAIL - to remain on the list but not receive mail SET MAIL - to reverse the NOMAIL setting SET CONCEAL - to conceal yourself from REVIEW listings SET NOCONCEAL - to reverse the CONCEAL setting SET NOREPRO - to prevent the list from sending you your own postings SET REPRO - to reverse the NOREPRO setting LIST - to get a list of mailing lists available on this host HELP - to receive a help file QUIT - to terminate processing (skipping signature, etc.) The the following alternate commands are also accepted by the list processor at MXserver@Mad-Scientists.ORG: SIGNOFF MAD-SCIENTISTS REVIEW MAD-SCIENTISTS QUERY MAD-SCIENTISTS SET MAD-SCIENTISTS [NO]MAIL SET MAD-SCIENTISTS [NO]CONCEAL SET MAD-SCIENTISTS [NO]REPRO LIST HELP QUIT For administative matters that require human intervention, please send mail to: OWNER-MAD-SCIENTISTS@MAD-SCIENTISTS.ORG (This message was generated automatically.) -Igor ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:39:02 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Vesta111@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:32:46 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/29/99 2:43:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, LMAShaw@AOL.COM writes: << We were taught that it was extreme politics, religeon and genderism that led to the major wars. I think you've had the first two so far........ >> Usually I would ignore anyone who boasts of such wild claims as you my friend. But, were I born 100 years ago, I would have scoffed at anyone telling me there were "invisable thingies on my body that could make me sick if I dont wash my hands before I eat. Germs would have made me laugh, I am a skeptic, I must remember to tread lightly on any claims made by anyone. So, I will try to consider you to be what you say you are and ask you how society in your time treats the elderly. By the way, the politics and extreme religions have been and will be with us always, it is the nature of the beast as they say. We humans cannot change what we are, only modify our actions for the betterment of society. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:52:58 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: SarahProf@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <191a5797.36b26497@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:47:03 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Removal from list] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Profound! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:52:22 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Xjune@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:46:43 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 26/01/99 05:25:26 GMT Standard Time, dwolak@ONLINE.EMICH.EDU writes: << >Dont worry about Y2K >I'm a traveller from the future and we had no trouble in 3000. There was a lot >of hype but now we look back from 3008 it all seemed to be scaremongering >designed to make jobs in the computer industry! >L >> So - you'll know what happened to all those frozen heads !!!! Tell us, did they manage to defrost and reanimate them?? Or are they still rolling around in the bottom of the freezer alongside those stray peas from that bursted bag? June ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:42:51 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Message-ID: <19990130073721.4408.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Joseph Barnes" Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 23:37:19 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain >In a message dated 1/29/99 2:43:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, LMAShaw@AOL.COM >writes: > ><< We were taught that it > was extreme politics, religeon and genderism that led to the major wars. I > think you've had the first two so far........ > >> > Usually I would ignore anyone who boasts of such wild claims as you my >friend. But, were I born 100 years ago, I would have scoffed at anyone >telling me there were "invisable thingies on my body that could make me sick >if I dont wash my hands before I eat. Germs would have made me laugh, I am a >skeptic, I must remember to tread lightly on any claims made by anyone. > So, I will try to consider you to be what you say you are and >ask you how society in your time treats the elderly. > By the way, the politics and extreme religions have been and will be with >us always, it is the nature of the beast as they say. We humans cannot change >what we are, only modify our actions for the betterment of society. > Thank you for the social science Lesson folks but, excuse me! The mad Science is the techincal, chemical, biolgical, and every other science, except for political. Mad scientist don't care for political sciences, Sure they want to rule the world and shape mankind into their own image, but we don't care for political standings. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 05:08:53 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 05:03:21 MST From: Nigel Sharp Reply-To: MAD-SCIENTISTS@VJC.COM To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG CC: sharp@noao.edu Message-ID: <009D2F96.5210FCEC.11@vms.noao.edu> Subject: Re: where've ya'll gorn? Somehow the Big Bang Burger Bar sounds more my style ... although poking fun at Max Quordlepleen should be a bit of alright. Not so much an after-life, more a sort of apres-vie. Yes, I'm still at the South Pole,. but I'm trying to get away ... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:14:36 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Vesta111@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: <71648d4e.36b32081@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:08:49 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/30/99 2:45:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, sarak@hotmail.com writes: << Thank you for the social science Lesson folks but, excuse me! The mad Science is the techincal, chemical, biolgical, and every other science, except for political. Mad scientist don't care for political sciences, Sure they want to rule the world and shape mankind into their own image, but we don't care for political standings. >> I wonder if you would have voiced the same sentimates to Ben Franklin, Thomas Edison and their for-runners. Science in pure techincal form is useless. To be true science, all forms of human thought must be held, to rule out any science that is not " in your field " is to court disaster. How else could mordern medicin function without the input of ethics, without the experts in the field of nuclear reaction, the bio-chemists working on exo-biology, the anthropoligests, and indeed the socologists. Politics of the time does indeed rule the science field. Today we debate the use of aborted fetsus to treat parkensons disease. The ethics of buying body parts to experiment transplants. With Government funding a vast golden apple to researchers, the very professional lives of serious scientists revolve around politics. All things are related, without any one component (yeast) the bread will not rise. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 05:36:04 -0700 Sender: owner-mad-scientists@VJC.COM From: Rott20745@aol.com Reply-To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 07:30:14 EST To: Mad-Scientists@Mad-Scientists.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Mad scientist are Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A truer statement was never made before. in a way mad scientists are well on thier way to world domination. as we experiment and invent new devices and technologies, society becomes dependant upon the fruits of our efforts. each succesive year, people clamor for better cars, faster computers, smaller cell-phones and flashier high-tech toys. as a consequence, the developers of these products become lionized in the eyes of the public to the point that we can coerce changes in government regulations and laws. the fcc is a prime example. due to the explosion in popularity of internet services, it is now common for many households to have two or more phone lines. the fcc had to make major changes in the way phone lines are handed out. in certain parts of the country a neighbor might have a different area code. even a newly added line in your house might be a toll call from the kitchen phone. all this because us mad scientists invented a way to communicate over a pc. pretty soon the governments will ask what laws to change so they can have this gaget or that. life is good...for a mad scientist.